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Bush Calls Karl Rove "Turdblossom"?? Script Pages From The Opening Scenes Of Oliver Stone's W Are Now Online!!
Merrick here...
Yesterday we linked out to a Hollywood Reporter piece about George W. Bush biographers' reactions to Oliver Stone's new script about Dubya. You can find that report HERE.
Now comes word that HR's Risky Biz blog has posted several pages from the script itself.
You can read RBB's set-up for this HERE.
Or, you can jump directly to a .pdf of the script pages by clicking...
HERE!!!
Thanks to EL PRESIDENTE for pointing us to this.
HERE!!!
Thanks to EL PRESIDENTE for pointing us to this.
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fuck yeah!
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How does Stone expect this movie to hit theaters in January of 08? Stone is an insane jackass.
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Bush is a piece of shit.......
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...we all know the answer to this equation. Fuck this guy and his cousin Kerry. Redneck fuckers. Although their other distant cousin Hugh Hefner seems pretty cool. heehee
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where ya been?
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the state flower of Texas?
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That's an overwhelmingly poor & shallow treatment of the subject matter. If Stone was serious about lambasting the Bush Administration's numerous foibles and atrocities, he would've at least found an intelligent script to work from...
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obviously the dialogue will be realistic in this film....
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Come on, you can disclose how much Media Matters and moveon.org contribute to this site, guys. At least you should have the balls to admit it.
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You will see where the Bush's got all of their wealth. It was not originally oil as we have all been lead to beleive. Oh don't me started goddamnit!!!
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Is this supposed to be a comedy? An Oliver Stone Satire? That's how it read to me. If so, I really look foward to it. Stone does satire well, in my opinion. I just don't want another Nixon.
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Because it stinks... I'm not a fan of Bush either but it feels like this script was written by a 12 year old... Then again its a movie about a 12 year old :P ...
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"National Lampoon Presents: The Life of a Stupid Fucking Rich Retard From Texas"
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to hear what that jjjjjiiiissssssmmmmm guy has to say about this. it's like listening to limbaugh for kicks. idiot.
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Where is more of this out? I'd love to get my hands on a copy.
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jjjjiiiiisssssmmmmmm is slightly retarted, dont be so hard on the loser...
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Is a prime example of why the human gene pool is disturbingly contaminated and diseased. Unless I see a notarized transcript of these "Supposed conversations" IE "Axis Of Evil" "Discussion", it's just a work of fiction written by two traitors.
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Those the traitors?
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But why would that be any different from any other "edgy" political film? Stone just wants to pile on the hurt before November when this nightmare of a presidency ends. Let it go. We know how much he sucks. Just let it go. Watch Lil Bush if you need absolution.
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Apr 09, 2008 11:04:24 AM CDT
Look, Rickey's a "liberal," but that script is garbage...
by rickey henderson
It's overwhelmingly shitty. No way does this flick ever make it past principal shooting. Rickey can garuntee--no one will ever see this dreck.
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Sweet google! theyre all a bunch of fucking evil people
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crap.
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And this is surprising?
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i was going to say as are all bush supporters, but thats insulting to retarded people.
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Not surprising at all. Google Bush Sr JFK assasination
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Stone is batshit crazy for thinking that's a decent script.
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This has nothing to do with the article, but if you go on YouTube and search for "Uwe Boll petition" you find his taped response to that petition in which he explains his singular "genius". It's really funny.
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Alex Jones is a fucking nut but alot of his information is undeniable. And in advance for those retards who do not understand nor care to he is NOT and should be the only source but a decent starting point no less.
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*He should NOT be the only source, but a decent starting point no less.
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All the coke-snorting and drunken nights eliminated W's capacity for remembering names, so pretty much everyone he meets is bestowed with a folksy nickname. Common knowledge, Merrick.
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is that back around the beginning of the war in Iraq, I remember saying "Man wouldn't it be great if, in 25 years, the last masterpiece of Oliver Stone's career was some awesome WTC-inside-job/Iraq-War-profiteering conspiracy mindfuck."Instead we get this movie of the week sounding lionizing of GW Bush, the chickenshit little toadie who never did jack shit for himself. That "Axis of Evil" conversation is laughable. Is that what we're supposed to believe happened? Give me a fucking break, he sat back while he was spoon-fed every 'idea' this administration has had.
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But still pretty funny.
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Okay, I get it, you wacko libs despise Bush and everything he stands for (which isn't much, he bent over backwards for Dems throughout his domestic policy). But if you're going to make a "biopic" about someone, shouldn't you at least attempt some semblence of reality to it? If all you want to do is parody him, just watch Lil Bush and Where's My Bush, and every other political show on 98% of TV stations. If you claim it's got some versimilitude, then don't insult half the country in the name of salving your bitter twisted hearts. I mean, come on! Where's the cutting movie about the Clintons?!? The family's entire political life is a giant soap opera! No fictionization required!
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Your username negates anything you say as credible. Yes, we all hate Bush, but that screenplay's introduction is ridiculous. "What should we call it?" "Uhhh... how 'bout Axis of Scary People?" Dumb. No one has conversations like that.
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Apr 09, 2008 11:19:00 AM CDT
"That "Axis of Evil" conversation is laughable. Is that what we'
by thick mcrunfast
http://tinyurl.com/6446qz - "That phrase did evolve," Weisberg said. "There was a funny debate about who got credit, which is hilarious when you think what a disaster it was."
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frat boys stirring the hunch punch while chanting = a ref to macbeth? double, double toil and trouble; fire burn, and cauldron bubble. still seems like pretty juvenile writing though.
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"Your username negates anything you say as credible". And this negates your mentality. Love serving 15.
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...that's all I got....for now.
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then I think we're all in for a real treat.
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Go watch "Primary Colors" if you're hot to see the Clintons get the treatment...
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Man, those script pages blew. He's going to go with a simplistic parody when the true complexity of this guy and his family is much more interesting and dark. What a fucking cop out. This story is a slam dunk. I can't believe he's going to fuck up such a straight forward boondoggle especially when so much of it has been so tirelessly documented. This should be approached like an Alan J. Pakula film from the 70's. God, I wish it was Paul Thomas Anderson directing this. "There Will Be $4.00 At The Pump".
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is what this movie will be.
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I'm still getting an ANY GIVEN SUNDAY vibe.
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I love all these people who say "I'm not a fan of Bush, BUT..." Oh shut the fuck up. We all know you voted for the loser and now you're trying to both disavow him and continue to claim that the trouble with this country is the Liberal "agenda". Only Bush supporters would be stupid enough to keep trying that line of logic when Republicans have run the show for the last eight years and driven the country into the ground. What balls these conservatives have. We fucked up, we gave you a complete disaster of a president, but HEY, we're still right about everything and the Lefties are wrong and vote for the guy who's going to continue Bush's great work. Wow.
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reads like a 9th grader wrote it
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Movies like this won't motivate the Democratic base (at least not that part of it that has two brain cells to rub together). This is just going to galvanize the GOP and serve as a call to arms for all those Rush Limbaugh swilling ditto heads. Within one month, conservative groups will be petitioning theaters and distributors to block the release of this movie. And Hollywood being as spineless as it is, the conservative nut jobs will succeed too. How in the hell is any studio greelighting this in the first place?
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Space Chimps Attack! Of course they'll be very liberal space chimps who will take over the world. What will we ever do?
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But I'd rather have a SMART screenplay than, "Let's call it Axis of Villains"
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This looks like shite.
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though they'll stay home and let those silly mammoths do the attacking.
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"they were on the same side!"
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Still being cryptic eh?
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How bout those damned Mets? Can't get a win to save their lives, can they?
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Very bad feeling about Jose. What the hell is wrong with him? I'll be going to the game Friday night, and unless it changes, Nelson Figuero is pitching. Yikes! And Pelfrey tonight? Dark times could well be ahead...
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Rickey will be there for the Friday & Sunday games (just missed seeing Santana throw--drat). Granted, it's only game 6 of the season, but it definitely looks like that karma from 07 is carrying over. Jose sulking is a verrrrrry bad sign: as he goes, so do the Mets.
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Hollywood thinks that just spewing rage and bile is enough and that we should be happy to pay $10 to watch them jerk off their fascist liberal fantasies. It's worked so well with "In the Valley of Elah", "Rendition", "Redacted", "Lions For Lambs", and "Stop-Loss", hasn't it?
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"Farginghype 7-11" didn't stop Bush from being re-elected - if anything, it motivated voters to support him against hypocritical Hollywood - so how Stone thinks rushing this fantasy film out in time for this go-round mystifies me. Bush isn't on the ballot and if he thinks a legitimate war hero like John McCain is going to be harmed is delusional. Given a choice between a moderate man who has served and sacrificed for his country; a lying harridan who is half of the team that has made $109 million (largely from Arab interests) and facilitated pardons for Puerto Rican terrorists in exchange for votes; and a corrupt Chicago gangster who has sat for two decades in the pews of a Black Nationalist "church" and exposes his young daughters to paranoid conspiracy lies about AIDS and 9/11; people will chose the war hero every time.
When Theo Van Gogh was murdered by an Islamofascist, Hollywood said nothing. When South Park wanted to satirize the rioting about cartoons depicting Mohammad, they were censored by Comedhimmi Central. But when Hollywood wants to pretend that they're soooooooo brave and "speaking truth to power", what do they do? Pressure Castro or Chavez? NO!!! They bash a lame duck President who will just turn the other cheek and leave office in nine months. Real brave! No one has dragged Tim Robbins and Sean Penn away in the middle of the night, never to be seen again? Michael "When's lunch?" Moore and Oliver "JFK, mein leige!!!" Stone are making movies unchecked and have their minges tongued by their fellow travelers. There is more risk in picking fights with Amish than bashing Bush.
Stone is a loon who clings to the fantasy that if JFK hadn't died, he would've stopped the Viet Nam war he started and Stone wouldn't have been traumatized. Wrong!!! If Daddy Joe Kennedy hadn't stolen the 1960 Election with his Mafia pals in Chicago, Nixon would've won and the war may not have started in the first place, or been better fought. Stone is a kook and a hack. Anyone who can make a buck naked Rosario Dawson into not-enough-to-turn-"Alexander"-into-a- watchable-movie doesn't deserve to film a kindergarten play, much less a major studio picture ever again. -
If by "galvanize" you mean "bore", then maybe so. As Rush Limbaugh is fond of saying, running against Bush is pointless because he's not running for anything.And, even so, this just sounds tedious. More tedious even than Nixon, which flopped.
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it's funny to see people talk about someone or something they dislike so much ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
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Dude's only 33. Yes, he's been in baseball exile for the past 4 years, but who knows? Maybe we'll get a good performance from him. Aight, lunchtime for Rickey, later dude.
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...cause that's what it reads like.
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News flash, asshole: Your hero Bush will be spit on for decades if not longer. As soon as he's out of office and no longer has to be defended as a figurehead, Republicans will spit on him too. This is absolutely certain, because in different ways Bush has outraged the conservative wing of the Republican party and the libertarian wing of the Republican party, and those groups are where the party draws its narratives and its intellectual justifications from. If those groups hate you AND the Democrats hate you, no one is going to stand up for you and everyone is going to take turns shitting on your face. And W just doesn't have the personal qualities to effect a grudging rehabilitation of his reputation the way Nixon did. So whine all you want, the Bush haters don't care and won't care. If anything your tears of frustration will taste very sweet to them. They sure taste sweet to me.
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That's what Aint it Cool News is all about. As pointed out in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
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Redacted doesn't belong with the rest. Rendition made $24 million world wide, which qualifies it as a flop against the likely production budgets and marketing, and Lions for Lambs made $57 million worldwide (most of it international, which I'll guarantee you is the target market for Stone's movie). In the Valley of Elah made $26 million (almost $20 of it international). Stop loss has made $8 million domestically, and will probably do at least twice that internationally. These aren't great performances, but they are just duds. Redacted, on the other hand, had a worldwide box office gross of $743 thousand dollars. There is no way that begins to cover the production budget. It doesn't really qualify as a movie.A better comparison might be Stone's Nixon, which made $13 million domestically. On a production budget of $44 million. It may have done better internationally, but still . . . it was not all that engrossing, and I expect it did not appeal to the foreign market much at the time. Where as a trashing of Dubya that makes the American president (and the folks who voted for him( look like frat-boys, cowboys, retards, and extra-chromosome members of the right wing will get a very good reception in the international market. But I expect it will be a domestic flop.
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It's been a rough couple of days. If you say it'll be available soon I'll chill out. How complete is mostly complete though?
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Your name is stupid as are your many posts. Bush is an idiot and people don't like him?? Holy shit, man. Welcome to 8 fucking years ago, mental midget. As pointed out, your retarded username negates anything you have to say, although that in itself is...not much at all. It's isn't who you are, but what you do.
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I have since given up on these 'W' talkbacks as there is no use debating with liberal indoctrination.
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OR I'LL FUCK YA RIGHT IN THE ASS.
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Or "incurious" or "unread". He did better in college than the brilliant John F. Kerry, and better than Al Gore. I think history will clarify that, as it is in the process of doing with Ronald Reagan. It'll just take a generation or two, but presidencies are so well-documented now I think the reality will be clear, at least to historians far enough past the Bush years to have no particular bias against the man, and no particular axe to grind. Who knows, in 100 years the Democrats might be the tax-cutting small government types, and the Republicans will be arguing that we need to surrender to our enemies and immolate any remaining vestiges of a distinct American culture so dessicated European socialist will like us better.
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Let's take a quick look at your previous post: 1)"Your name is stupid as are your many posts". 2)"As pointed out, your retarded username negates anything you have to say, although that in itself is...not much at all". and last but certainly LEAST is 3)"It's isn't who you are, but what you do". I would like to know Jack, did your mom stand behind you and help you write these? Very inteligent and thought out. Listen, do your fucking homework.
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How bout I change my name to Bush is the Coolest? Would that satisfy you and your mom. Because apparently you aint doing it. *giggles to self* Sorry guys i had a bad moment there. I gues my non existant credibility is completely shot now. FucknHell
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the end.
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hehehe.. HA!
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If Nelson were to be any good, I'm sure the Mets will just trade him. Hmm...sure would be nice to have Kazmir and Bannister right about now...
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It's funny how you've been so down on me and calling me all kinds of neato names, but not so long ago you were praising me for my comments as my other AICN TB handle. hmmm. What's a matter Jack? You're being picked on as a child coming back to haunt you?
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Free Republic is that way ---->
Take your blind patriotism, your willingness to bend over and get ass-fucked by the corporate-owned President, and your tired old "libs", "libbies" and "libtards" comments and go share them with the rest of the 29% who still want to suck Bush's dick.
71% of the country HATES the President now. You're seriously fucking outnumbered, and at this point you're just the fucking fringe. Even my 70+ year-old lifelong conservative parents (who lived through the Great Depression and World War II) are distancing themselves from the King of All Assclowns.
Seriously. To paraphrase a great man, "You ain’t leading but two things right now: Jack and Shit. And Jack just left town.”
Why do liberals hate President Bush? Because he's a villainous, selfish, weaselly, cowardly, greedy, terrible human being who has fucked this country and left it in far worse shape-- and less populated by young Americans-- than any President since World War II, and FDR had good reasons for losing troops in that war. There's a far fucking cry from a regime nearly conquering the world, and a tin-star despot in a shithole oil-producing country with no decent weapons or army to speak of.
So please, take your sanctimonius, paranoid, xenophobic, bigoted asses over to Free Republic and give EACH OTHER handjobs. We're not interested, and considering you're in the minority by a Big Fuckin Margin, you can't gang up shout us down like you're used to doing in a debate you can't win.
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http://tinyurl.com/yo5grq Nothing to worry about anymore...
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aren't we all monkeys?
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Yep...these idiots NEED TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK. And you are right when you state that we are a REPUBLIC!! Did you hear that Kids? A REPUBLIC. NOT a Democracy.
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I don't think I could say it any better than that. Thank you. Amen, brother.
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I like Oliver Stone, but NOBODY, and I mean NO-FUCKIN-BODY wants to watch a movie about President dumbass. We want to forget him, we want him gone, and we don't want ANY marker in history to remind us that he shitted away 32% of our civil rights, hundreds of thousands of lives, and the respect of the world in just eight years.
Oliver Stone is fucking crazy if he thinks liberals will see this movie. We're Bushed-out. He's insane if he thinks conservatives will see this movie. The hardcore Bushies will be offended at the mere mention of "Oliver Stone" and "Bush" in the same sentence, and the ones who are sick of G.W. will avoid this like the rest of this.
Oliver Stone is making this movie for an audience of one: Himself. All-too-often, Stone likes to pull his own dick in the filmic sense, and he frequently forgets that movies need the attention of more than a handful of people in order to be worthwhile.
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So Bush "left it in far worse shape-- and less populated by young Americans-- than any President since World War II, and FDR had good reasons for losing troops in that war" huh?
Ever heard of Vietnam? I'm sure as a good lib you have. Who took the USA there? How many young men died there?
As for the vast majority being against Bush, that's because he's alienated the fiscal and social conservatives by joining hands with Dems and signing huge spending bills, and alienated the left simply by breathing. I'm not a fan of his domestic policies, but that doesn't mean I hate him or think him scum as you do. -
then how the hell could he have done such a complete pooch-screw job? He'd have had to have stumbled into some things you approve of, right, if he can't find his ass with 2 hands and a flashlight?
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Aren't you a smart one. Do your homework. But you like the majority will ignore what's in front of you (unless it's a twinkie, beer or football game). Why don't you do a little more reading and get back to thought. Hurry up now, don't hurt yourself.
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good point. but most of us monkeys haven't chocked on a pretzel.
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Maybe he if really was a nazi, that'd be something to make a movie about. But he's not. He's just a war-mongering redneck. To assign some great conspiracy to his presidency is giving him much more credit than he deserves.
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Oh boy. You must read about and be somewhat familiar with something before you post a comment. ahah...Oh well. GO BUSH!
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And I'm by no means sure it is at all legitimate. This POS could've easily been written by a 12 year old with mediocre research skills.This is something I'm sure we all--left and right and in between--can agree on: this "script excerpt" blows. And I'll be quite surprised if it's the real mccoy.
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is an interesting enough personality for biopic material. He's demonstrably dull--intellectually incurious and inflexible. Sounds like a yawn of a character to me...
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Well, I wasn't really stating that we are a republic (But yes, we are, in the strictest sense. Honestly, we're a theocratically-influenced plutocracy if you want to get down-n-dirty about it, though). I was telling the conservatives that to go to their own political website (it's called "freerepublic.com" and they're known as "freepers") instead of trying their bully tactics here.
Too often, conservatives have this mental image of liberals being tree-hugging hippies, and they don't think we have the wherewithal to stand up to them when they start throwing a tantrum. As long as we avoid being hippy-dippy idiots, and keep the conversation at a level just a notch or two higher than theirs, we've got the high ground and all they have is a failed President who will go down in history as the worst President ever.
Whether you back Hillary, or Obama, or even McCain, you HAVE to recognize that Bush has been terrible for the United States and the world. Anyone still defending him at this point is a tinfoil hat-wearing, fringe freak who can't accept that they're wrong, and would rather see the country go down and everyone suffer than admit that a conservative President was an utter fucking failure as both a leader, and as a human being.
I'm no fan of McCain these days, now that he's been whipped into shape by the Bush boys, but I at least respect that HE was at war and can respect the deaths he'll most certainly cause overseas. Bush doesn't seem to even give a shit unless it provides a good photo op or fluff piece.
Just get to the polls. Be vigilant. Whichever Democratic nominee wins, you HAVE to support them if you want the end of this right-wing nightmare. Hillary and Obama would both would be a hundred times better than another Bushie in the White House. Stick with the main goal, which is to push them the fuck out of power and regain our motherfucking civil rights that Bush's team stole. We're the people in charge, and it's time we had a President that understands that they work for US, and not one that thinks they're King of America.
We are a republic, and one I'm (mostly) proud of. The bad guys may treat this place like it's a plutocracy, but that can be changed because the system was made to invoke such change. The founders weren't fools. They knew our system would become corrupt, and they built the tools to fix it right into the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They made a government that CAN right itself, if the People so will it.
There was once a time when you didn't have to even be a lawyer or politician to become President. The idea was that anybody with good ideas, and a willingness to serve the People could be considered a viable candidate. Maybe we need to stop looking to governors, senators, congressmen, and famous people, and start picking people who are just smart, or wise, or good-hearted.
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Thanks for the pages but we've known about 'Turdblossom' since Bush was popular....remember that?
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"...that's because he's alienated the fiscal and social conservatives by joining hands with Dems and signing huge spending bills, and alienated the left simply by breathing. I'm not a fan of his domestic policies, but that doesn't mean I hate him or think him scum as you do." Well, if a Democrat President had presided over the type of spending increases Bush has, I bet you'd hate him. Forget that Bush is a Republican for a minute, and ask yourself how you would react if the country elected a Democrat who was a recovering alcoholic who couldn't string two sentences together, and the guy proceeded to grow spending as fast as Johnson did, while signing a campaign finance reform bill, creating a new Medicare entitlement, pushing federal control over state and local education, and cutting VA spending while wounded vets in VA hospitals were crawled on by bugs and rats. And oh, this Democrat President regularly spies on whoever he wants without a warrant, and his chief adviser holds meetings with federal employees demanding that they conduct the business of their departments in a way that will help the President's re-election, and his Justice Department openly instructs all the other executive branch departments to start spuriously refusing to respond to FOIA requests. Oh, and a Republican Congress tries to investigate what this Democrat President is doing, but the Democrat laughs and tells his guys to ignore all subpoenas and all requests for information. I guarantee you that you would hate this Democrat President, and that there would be open talk of violent revolution or a military coup in Republican circles under such a set of circumstances.
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Apr 09, 2008 12:51:26 PM CDT
BB Sucks Ass....mom jokes and being picked on as a child.
by iamjack'suserid
You are really burning through the internet badass insult cliche book, aren't you. I couldn't help but to laugh when you pointed out each sentence in my post only to not only fail to provide any analysis about them -- which might have been my fault to actually expect anything but -- but to fail to come up with any kind of evenly remotely entertaining comeback for them. Oh, I don't support Bush at all, but I also laugh at idiots like you that are clamboring to jump onto the overcrowded bandwagon and then shout about how evil and rotten and dumb he is to people that are deaf from hearing it. Let's see....Bush is evil and Batman Begins "sucks ass". You're one late comer, unlike your mom.
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"By joining hands with Dems and signing huge spending bills"... That is fucking priceless. Is the sky blue in your world? Since when did Bush ever join hands with ANY Dem?? Are you out of your mind? It was his way or the highway and he treated the Dems like shit - some uniter! No buddy, sorry, but you're going to have to lay the fault at the foot of your darling little second-generation blueblood Christian chickenhawk that you ELECTED TWICE. Nice try though. Really. You're not pathetic at all.
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Name one point during the Vietnam conflict that the President or Congress passed ANYTHING even remotely similar to the USA PATRIOT ACT, or imprisoned people and tortured them just outside of American soil. Name one point during Nam when the President was fighting like hell to get the right to wiretap Americans. Name one point where soldiers were brought back to active duty after serving their tours, or after years of retirement. Name one point where the President of the United States or ANY of his cabinet used Vietnam as an opportunity to insinuate their own private companies into the country and profit from the war.
Vietnam was a shitstorm, to be sure, but the war profiteering, excuses to kill civil rights domestically, and shabbiest treatment of veterans all occurred since Bush was in office.
And I won't even BEGIN to discuss the fact that he has appointed lobbyists and corporate insiders to every environmental and security post... Even if it's a post they spent their career opposing.
Take it to Free Republic. They still swallow this shit and beg for more. Bush could squat on your lawn and leave a steaming pile for you to clean up, and you'd call him a hero for doing it. Nobody else is buying it, though. -
For what it is worth, (and you can choose to beleive or not) I am writer for a certain "publication" I won't say which ofcourse, but my job allows me to rub elbows with people whom we speak of. I have met Bush, I have interviewed John Kerry's confidant etc....I will tell you this, these guys are showmen and work for other causes that you or I could only guess at. These causes have NOTHING to do with the United States. The Constitution that you mention is non existant in their eyes and the people who pupeteer them. Do a little research and you will find out that Bill Clinton never quoted the U.S. Constitution. He quoted from the United Nations Constitution. There is no regard or respect for us or this country. There is only regard for those who are born into powerful families who have sworn allegiences to societies established long ago. They rely on hiding in the open. They rely on nutbags who give the conspirital ideas a bad name and reputation. I will say it again, beleive me or not. Why I am here like an idiot making insane statements and talking shit when I am writer? Because I am geek at heart and I take fun in this guilty pleasure. Good job though Zero...Stay focused though and do a more research so that you CAN become that formidable foe you speak of. Peace
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had a draft. How is that not stripping of rights?
Bush allowed Ted Kennedy to write No Child Left Behind. That's joining hands is it not? He signed the McCain Feingold bill limiting free speach, didn't he? I said I'm not a fan of his domestic policies, didn't I?
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ahahah. I was typing too fast. I should have used google. eheh
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This is from a draft that is two drafts old, I'm sure that it the writing is in far better shape by now.
Oh, and having a draft isn't a stripping of rights or liberties. There is no where in the constitution that it says "No man shall be forced to enter military service". In fact, the original model the founders had in mind for a national army was that it would be kept at an extremely small size except in times of war, when its ranks would be bolstered as needed by whatever means necessary. Not that I'm endorsing a draft or anything. -
You simply cannot judge who is the worst President ever.
Every President has it's haters, and unfortunately, we live in a time where people can bash and hate and hide behind the anonymity of the internet.
How many people were able to voice their hatred for LBJ? And LBJ had JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinated and continued to keep waging war in Vietnam. I'm willing to bet that if the internet existed among the general public, at the time, LBJ would have been seen as the worst President ever.
Nixon is seen as one of the worst, yet without Nixon, we would have had no trade with China, which was huge to our economy and theirs.
The current Bush is seen as one of the worst, but he is hailed unanimously for his work with AIDS in Africa. He also has had the most culturally diverse administration in American history, something that if he were a Democrat he would have received MUCH more praise for.
My vote for worst ever would have to be LBJ, that guy is linked to three major assassinations of beloved political and social leaders, plus he did nothing to stop the Vietnam war, a completely senseless war where we lost literally 12x the amount of Americans we have lost in Iraq.
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Ok Ok...You got me. I give up.:) You guys are just too sharp. Gee Willikers
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HA!! Shit I don't even beleive it. But I know where you're going with it.
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I've never bothered getting an account here before to comment, but sweet fucking christ that script is awful. I don't care if it IS a "couple of drafts old." It's bad.
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Thanks for speaking the truth...or at least a closer version to it. All the movies you mentioned were flops for the fact they were Ultra-Left Wing and Anti-War. I truely believe if Black Hawk Down would come out now it would be a bigger hit than it was in 2001. This is because our military is portrayed in a good light in that movie. People can hate Bush as much as they like...as long as they have the facts. That's what most people are sorely missing. True facts, as opposed to opinions that is tried to be passed over as fact. EXAMPLE: Bush lied about WMDs. Not a fact. FACT: Bush screwed up huge based on faulty intelligence given to him by not only our country, but Russian, Canadian, Italian and British intelligence (though Saddam later admitted when we caught him to wanting to initiate his WMD program back up). I do too much reading to just sit back and read what's posted on this TB without putting down the facts or at worst something a whole lot closer to it.
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The only thing about this that is more amusing than that piece of shit excuse for a script is the neocons on this site who still think they have a fucking leg to stand on. News flash: Your guy is a festering boil of failure, and we all know it. So fuck off!
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If that's actually the script that makes it to the screen, this movie will tank faster than Alexander.
And I would hope that people on this TB, regardless of their opinion of Bush, would admit how simplistic and un-subtle that material was.
I hope the release of these pages leads to either, 1) a complete re-write, or 2) scrapping of the project altogether -
"I do too much reading to just sit back and read what's posted on this TB without putting down the facts or at worst something a whole lot closer to it". That's just it. TOO much reading. Get out of your house and travel, talk to people around the world and get a real sense for what's really going on with your contry. Because you and a lot of other Americans know nothing about the US like others in other countries do. SAD. SAD. And where are your facts? Sorry bub, you should continue to fool yourself and save me the time.
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I have always wondered if "neocons" truly exist. I for one have never met anyone who claims to be one. They seem to be more a liberal bogeyman more than an actual part of the political spectrum. Anyways...
To add to what ZoeFan has posted: Saddams own generals thought Saddam had the weapons. That speaks volumes as to why the information was wrong by everyones intelligence communities. Saddam was obviously one of histories worst dictators, but it also needs to be said that he was one of histories greatest con-men too. -
Apr 09, 2008 1:22:07 PM CDT
Yea my sentence structure and spelling is off today.
by batman begins sucks ass
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Release of the film in the nature of this script would only help the Republicans as this would only appeal to Ultra-Left Wing bomb throwers. Everyone else would completely dismiss it as propaganda.
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They're the ones that want to invade Iran.
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Touche
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If what you claim about yourself is true, then thanks for sharing. Very interesting perspective at the very least. One thing - what's your take on Gore and Chuck Hagel, as politicians?
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You've piqued Rickey's curiousity...
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What is it with you fascist liberals and your inability to understand that just because someone thinks Dubya is getting a raw deal doesn't mean they consider him a "hero"? Just because I'm against what you're for (i.e. liberal facism, socialism, totalitarian government) doesn't mean I'm for what you're against (i.e. Bush).
Other than taking the fight to the Islamofascists and cutting taxes to get America out of the Clinton recession, I can't think of much, if anything, that Dubya has done that's much good. I didn't vote for him in 2004 (voted Libertarian) because he was exploding the size of government in ways that fascist Dems could only dream of with his accomplices in the Stupid Party (i.e. GOP). There was a time when Republicans opposed this sort of crap and rode to power in 1994 with Newt Gingrich leading the way in order to cut back on the socialism. Today, the GOP is "Dem Lite" and have totally pissed-off REAL conservatives.
What the fascism-loving liberals here (and at Digg and Daily Kos) are spewing are lies and slander. You useful idiots are so consumed by Bush Derangement Syndrome that you imagine that you're living in a police state when we clearly aren't. Our borders are unsecured because Dubya thinks Baby Jesus will return as a Mexican anchor baby or some such nonsense. He restricted free speech with his pal McCain with so-called "campaign finance reform". He has busted the budget trying to show how "compassionate" he is with our money. He's been a typical DEMOCRAT except that the Dems have gone so far to the extreme fascist Left that he (and McCain) look conservative in comparison. Hell, Stone's hero JFK would be called a "neocon warmonger" by today's fascist liberals.
"71% of the public hate Bush"? WRONG! 29% approved of his JOB PERFORMANCE. You can't spin stats to mean what they don't. I don't approve of his performance, but I don't hate him like you terminal BDS sufferers to. I don't think this so-called "war" is being run right either. A real war would've been over by now. This bullshit "compassionate warfighting" crap that Dubya is doing has our brave soldiers riding around waiting to get blown up and afraid of being charge with war crimes for daring to shoot back. It's pitiful that the poisons of fascist liberal brainwashing have sunk in so deep that WWII - which saw us nuke two Japanese cities and firebomb Dresden - is called "a good war", but if there is a single collateral casualty today, it's time to surrender, run away, and try everyone in government at Nuremberg.
Instead of focusing on Dubya REAL failures, you maroons live in a hysterical fantasy world in which Keith Olberman tells you what to think and then shriek like magpies in an effort to silence reasoned voices. You are more concerned that a terrorist be able to plot your deaths in private than that you stay alive. Liberalism is a suicidal ideology based on a delusional belief that if you bend over and grab your ankles for every brute, you'll be loved. No, you won't. You'll just get fucked in the ass. Fortunately, there are still a few people dedicated to protect your worthless asses from your own suicidal tendencies. Be thankful for us sane folks. We're keeping you morons alive. -
W could certainly backfire on Stone, a la Farenheit 911.
The sad thing is, Stone is capable of much greater films. He should return to his roots, imo, and look at Vietnam again ('write what you know', I suppose).
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I happen to know what is happening in our "contry". A lot of countries dislike America. However they seem to still buy our goods and trade with us. A lot a county's seem to say a lot of bad stuff about America. Yet what action are those countries taking...NONE. They just talk. We as America don't just talk, we take action. Would you prefer that we just sit back and let other countries destroy each other?
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I really really do not expect anyone to beleive that. I brought up the fact only to prove a point. But as for Gore? He is part of the machine ofcourse and this machine has found a way to exploit what they are calling Global Warming. Part of this reason is to impose a world wide "Carbon" tax (again..for times sake please google). The Carbon tax is one of many gross intrusive monetary gaining systems to come out of the "Global Warming" scare. As for Chuck Hagel...I don't know to much about him other than if my memory serves me correctly he will retiring from the senate when his term is up. There was talk of him running for the Republican Party as a presidential candidate but I think that was put to rest and he has announced that he will not be running. I guess the real powers at work did not see much in him.
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I am not just speakin of people across the pond who talk badly about the US because when you do go abroad you do find without a doubt that they (people from other Nations) have a strong disregard for the US. So ofcourse they will have nothing good to say. But you do have to weed through those and find the ones that do have things that are informative to say and are insightful and speak to some semblence of truth. Imagine that.. a journalist speaking of truth. ahah. About us taking action against other coutries Zoe, that my friend is a discussion that is about as complex as the death penalty and abortion.
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"Cool"
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Apr 09, 2008 1:42:43 PM CDT
And there's the first "we're keeping you alive" reference
by dwide shrewd
I almost like (read: piss on) that reference as much as the "if not for us, you'd all be speaking German!" line that war mongering fools like to bring out to *dazzle* ignoramouses who don't know any better.
Unfortunately for my war mongering friends, policing the globe and initiating pre-emptive attacks on sovereign nations actually makes us LESS SAFE. How long can we expect the rest of the world to stay off our backs? How long until they feel that our recklessness makes us a threat and part of an "axis of bad guys", ourselves? Quit kidding yourselves. -
You're right. I do love this country. Thanks. Especially when you see how bad other Nations have it. But you have to be aware of the bad shit that is happening to your freedoms everyday as these people in power continue to gorge power from what remains of our Republic. We are heading towards a unified monetary system just as Europe has done. Euro anyone? Well please look up this....** THE AMERO ** This will be a combined money system used between Canada, Mexico, and The US. This new system will be spearheaded by the joing of us and these other two contries to form the NORTH AMERICAN UNION. Google that and swallow it.
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with the point that railing against bush is not, and never was, "brave" or "courageous". Especially in the realm of Hollywood, this wasn't so much taking a risk as it was like shitting a golden egg.
For the record, I'm not a Republican, I don't support Bush, and I think Obama would make a fine president (though I don't think I'll be voting at all). The only thing that gets my goat is any kind of wild-eyed political screeching about how the other side is a) evil b) stupid or c) Nazis. In that respect, this movie will blow, based not only on the juvenile script we've been offered, but because itself will offer no unique or fair insight into the current president. In all likelihood, it will end up a piece that uses so-subtle-they're-obvious jabs at the president while making pretending to display that he is a "complex man." -
Well ok maybe a little more gentle version :) Honest clone Hitler, program his hatred for terrorists, and wam many problems solved.
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Nafta SuperHighway, The AMERO, The North American Union, Bilderberg Group
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when Saddam was running free, gassing the Kurds. And when on bright, sunny afternoons his gentlemen sons would rape brides-to-be and perhaps smoke a cigar as the groom was tossed into the wood-chipper. Ahhh, such nostalgia. Brings a tear to my eyes that all of that is gone...forever.
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Well obviously. Oh, and this movie is fictional crap. On a related note, I want one AMERICAN CITIZEN to tell me where THEIR civil liberties were MATERIALLY VIOLATED and I will give them a cookie and vote for Obama. The fanciful reduction of our civil liberties is a joke. It's nothing but fear mongering. I've yet to speak to someone who could answer my above criteria satisfactorily. Meanwhile, in the REAL world, we have a visable torrent of propaganda masquerading as entertainment constantly flowing out of Hollywood. If there was a shred of censorship in this country, do you think Oliver Stone would be able to get this movie made? Everything from Inconvenient Truth to Thank You For Smoking to Stop Loss to Rendition to Valley of Elah to Sicko to Manchurian Candidate (remake) to Lions for Lambs comes from the same exact political point of view and I've yet to hear of one creative person from any of these films being thrown into the Haliburton stockade. The worst torture these films and their backers have had to suffer is the lack of butts in the seats. News flash: most of America finds the repetitive, and patronizing, message if not wrong, then certainly preachy. And it's pretty boring being preached to by multi millionaires while paying $20 to get a shot at "butter flavoring" at a real theater. I'll save my money for The Dark Knight.
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only 1.99, get it while it's hot!
*Warning may cause blindness, lack of erections for months (or longer), and cause vomit in the mouth. -
Hey man..... You said this..."On a related note, I want one AMERICAN CITIZEN to tell me where THEIR civil liberties were MATERIALLY VIOLATED and I will give them a cookie and vote for Obama". End Quote....Well have you ever heard of the Patriot Act for starters. I've read it. You should too.
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Or better yet man...Just go lay down and go to sleep until it's all over. That'll be easier on you.
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is so angry. He had a turd blossom in his pants. Oh and this will be one dull movie based on a dull man. HULK SMASH!
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They stole my rights, and now I have to have a passport when I go on a cruise. Tell me directly how the Patriot act has changed your life and restricted you access, thoughts, the ability to say and speak? Ok maybe next time Janet Jacksons nipple will be fuzzed when she flashes so what. Why be worried unless you have something to hide? I say kick all the outsiders out and lets go back to being Americans and only letting people in our country with temp. passes. As for the government knowing about those naughty phone calls, or bad web surfing they already knew.
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on the Council on Foreign Relations and the North American Union (CFR/NAU). Your posts remind me quite a bit another TB'er named redspankyhankey- that wouldn't be you with a new username, would it?
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A movie by the guy that brought us JFK and Nixon. I'm sure this one will be based in fact as much as those were...oh wait...
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Oh man that sounds brilliant in the most unintentional way. Absoolutely ripe for drinking games and ironic viewing parties. Intelligent people actually wrote that? I probably disdain the Bush presidency every bit as much as Oliver Stone but.....jesus...I mean come on! Seriously? Does he really think that's going to play? I just hope the actors involved don't go down with the ship cause I reallly like Josh Brolin.
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Well it's not difficult to tell from your post that you only know anything about the Patriot Act from what you have been told through limited media coverage. But you can start here.... http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_bills&docid=f:h3162enr.txt.pdf Now whether you understand what you are reading, well that is a different story entirely isn't it? Have fun with that.
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Nope mine was goofier. :)
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Because whenever someone brings that shit up (or Skull & Bones, and the like) it makes me think they're typing their material while wearing a tinfoil hat. And why not tell us what 'publication' you write for? You're anonymous here, right? (or maybe the Buildebergers are watching?)
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As far as the Council on Foreign Relations and the North American Union goes, those two subjects are big topics and deeply entrenched in layer upon layer (as is most of the stuff I have belched out today), but so much so that I would only be waisting an even greater amount of time than I already have entertaining the monkeys that fling poo. So to answer your question Skin, I'd rather not. Hope that helps.
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Sounds like the name of an alt-rock/country band.
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TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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That response is adequate. If you're not redspanky, you two must go to the same meetings, apparently.
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A serious movie about W would suck ass. But a screwball comedy about him has the potential to be pure gold. We need to turn this thing over to the Farrely brothers and see if we can't get their careers back on track. Just picture Bush and Cheney riding across the country on a tiny scooter ala 'Dumb and Dumber', and try not to laugh. I dare you.
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Are you an illegal alien? Are you plotting domestic terrorism? Are you funneling funds? Etc. Etc. I have no problems with the searches etc. I have nothing to hide, and support strongly many aspects. All the US based laws are horrid and have kept many things and elements from being cleaned sort of speak. The funny thing about it is this, umm the government was already doing it. But know it's much easier. So once again are you hiding something? would you rather live in China? And again how has it hindered your life which was failed in response? I'm really wondering your point of view not trying to be a smart ass.
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I am not only wearing an aluminum foil hat and body suit but I sit in a 8x8 room with copper layered walls and a super sophisticated router that manipulates my IP every three hundredth of a second. I also wear a chastity belt while I am surfing the net so that I may not deviate from my writing and wank off to pics of Milla Jovavich.
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and personality. And, as Jules said, "personality goes a long way."
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Neo Cons truly are the Liberal Boogey Man.
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Man, if ever there were a time to invoke the Special Olympics metaphor during a Talkback, this is it:
Arguing on the Internet is like competing in the Special Olympics.
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The hinderance in mine or your daily life happens when you least expect it. It happens when you seek to obtain something or are obtained for something that you may or may not have done. My point is this...we are very limited in what it is you think we can do in this country. For instance did you know that you really do not own anything in this country because your property belongs to a corporation? Do you want to know what that corporations name is? How about THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? I bet you did not know that did you? THE GOOD OLE US is a corporation...LOOK IT UP. It's a fact. And can you guess who the accountant is for the US Corp? That's right...The IRS. And who does the US Corp borrow money from? That's right...The Federal Reserve Corp who is in controlling power with the Bank Of England which was taken over by the Rothchilds during Napoleans war. Want me to keep going? You have to start digging in and start connecting the dots my friend. You are right when you said "the government was already doing it."
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No ill will ever. People won't listen to you if you put them down.
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True--- I'm just cracking a Foster's and watching/giggling...
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Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Nuff said
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I don't see the neccessity of this film. Especially from the most over-rated director ever.
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And according to X Files FEMA is the one we really need to watch out for. Honest dude make my day, and PLEASE tell me you are college student in Maryland? ha. But really Stop reading articles and make a personal judgmental assessment. Like people just learned they really don't own things, shocker! It's called the big wheel sort of speak. It's just funny and will never change and is and has be happen since far before the point of the conversation/question, the Patriot Act. You learn to work within a system or your running around screaming with your hands in the air "it's not right, the sky is falling" You still have avoided the question which I am just not going to bother with again. This is proving to go nowhere fast.
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We all "hate" when the exception to the rule does not apply to us. All sides hate equally and all parties suffer from hypocrasy. Keep in mind though that parties do not exist to the real powers as we think they do. The real powers power is in money and well...power (received through birth rights, family lineage etc..)not in the party that they would have you think they back, because they don't. Umm. Get it?
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But some people just take things to personal or to heart. Either way. I still think this movie is to soon, and I agree a comedy would have been a profitable/fun direction. (If not to easy) Take care...
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(1) This movie will bomb big time.
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You actually asked me a total of 6 questions in your last TB. I respoded though to your main point (if that is what it was). I did answer your question it is *cliche* not what you wanted to hear. But just in case you forgot your last post and all six of it's questions here they are: 1)Are you an illegal alien? 2)Are you plotting domestic terrorism? 3)Are you funneling funds? 4)So once again are you hiding something? 5)would you rather live in China? 6)And again how has it hindered your life which was failed in response?** Got it**?
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I am signing off for good. My two or three days in the TB's have been fun, headache inducing and have given me something to write about again. Can't say as to how soon I will be able to do a story about this because I do not dictate these types of things but it will happen. I am retiring the Batman Begins Sucks Ass handle and I am going back to work. It's been a nice vacation these last few days and I hope that you guys will keep reading your USA Today's. ;)
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Appreciate your thoughts. Don't know much about any Carbon Tax, but if it's to penalize offenders or used to curb pollution, it might be worthwhile. Global Warming is not a baseless scare, and needs to be addressed. As important is our ridiculous dependence on fossil fuels when we should be investing in alternative energy R&D. I'd read a profile on Chuck Hagel in Time some months back. I swear if that man was running I wouldn't even give a second thought about throwing him my vote, and dragging my family to vote for him too.
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Thanks. Peace.
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you cant judge a film by the first five pages of a screenplay thats out-of-date.
jesus... go read the first five pages of 'Good Will Hunting'... it reads terribly
judging by what we've read... we still cant judge this project at all yet.
the script is two drafts old, i honestly think, in a project like this the dialouge, as it is on paper, is going to be the least of your concerns considering they'll most likely continue to re-shape it up until right after the scenes are SHOT.
look at the talent on board. Thank God they're not as dumb as you folks and can see past the words on the page or else this film might never be made.
I have no problem with Stone trying to portray the bush administration as, by the looks of it, real people and not just an over-dramatised and "serious" version of how they're portrayed in supposed "Tell all books" and a bias media... thats very ambitious of them considering its usually never done in film.
I love the idea of seeing that image of Bush walking out onto that baseball field and feeling home.
I like the idea of a conversation like that in the white house... it puts the players in the drama at a more personable level (you honestly think that scene will have the same DIALOGUE as it does now when it comes out? give me a break...)
The idea of exploring his frat days is fascinating... and I dont care how brilliant you are, you could be fucking Francis Ford Coppola and ANY frat scene, truthfully and honestly written, is gonna read bad on paper...
get a life you guys... wait till you get more info on the project before condemning it... there are some good ideas and good talent here...
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is that the Mighty Wurlitzer I hear again like when Newsweek belched out their disinformation about JFK long before they saw the movie??? NSAM 263 anyone?
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can be found over at Slate.com
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You are a very bad lawyer who talks more then you act. ****And again how has it hindered your life which was failed in response?***** I'm pretty sure that was asking for a direct answer not a vague? So according to your reply's "yawn"
You did not answer one single question directly in other then vague tongue and cheek, or otherwise as many words with no specifics or direct response. We can talk maybe's, if's, could's, mights, oh my. until we are blue in the face. Or better yet lets share others views when asked a question directly expecting a response about ourself? **Got it** Either way the 6 questions as you cleverly counted where not answered upon your direct experience either. **But keep sticking to your lack of scope and understanding I can tell your success will be measured in my tax dollars. -
BBSA = Craig Wilson???!!!So, he created his screenname to first talk smack about BATMAN BEGINS and then post a lot of armchair politics and bullshit Alex Jones-type stuff?!Alrighty then...
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it's online on the Frontline site. excellent.
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Last I checked, the airports are still open and you people who are so enthusiastic for fascist and socialist governments are free to go where you'll be more comfortable, leaving us poor, benighted proles to wallow and die in our own filth.
Still here? Yeah, figured you would be. I don't know why the world thinks it's OK to demand that we not inflict our values on them while demanding that we adopt their failed socialist policies in order to more closely emulate them. -
"You learn to work within a system or your running around screaming with your hands in the air "it's not right, the sky is falling"'
....and he's still one step ahead of you, by the fact that he has indeed scrutinized the facts that point to the only available conclusion: that there is indeed a threat to our liberty and way of life. How are you "working within the system?, when you cant even accept the fact that the "Patriot" Act is unconstitutional and un-American? We were told it was for terrorism, but look at Elliot Spitzer. The Patriot Act was used to take him down, and he may be a whore-monger, but last I heard thats a far cry from being a "terrist".
The "Patriot" Act isnt for terrorism. Its for you and me. Everything "batman begins sucksass" said is accurate. Except for the part about "batman begins". He advised you to do your homework, but apparently youd rather stand around posturing, and making excuses for not having the spine to admit that the nation we all love is fast becoming a panopticon. -
Yeah, I was pimping that in one of the other Stone TBs (I think). FRONTLINE continues to do incredible work.NO END IN SIGHT is a good film as well.
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You fix it, not abandon it. For fuck's sake ...
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No way is he going to tell us who he writes for. Personally, I think it's Devin.
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Apr 09, 2008 3:37:13 PM CDT
THAT'S LIKE SAYING IF YOU HATE AICN'S LIBERAL SLANT THEN LEAVE
by bringingsexyback
on second thought ...
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and tied you up and made you watch. Now who's your daddy? Bend over.
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Thanks for noticing Skywalker.
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"Why isn't BSB banned,
all he does is post useless shit."
yeah warning about the impending NAU, which Ill bet you you know jack-shit about. Thats useless?
Fucking decadent coward. Sorry to ruin your fantasy land where W is just a clown.
Enjoy your bliss.
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Have you found a job yet?
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As in "false flag operation"?OH NOES!!!
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Apr 09, 2008 3:46:11 PM CDT
REDHANKY - HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ME, NOT BATMAN SUCKS ASS
by bringingsexyback
Gotham's my pet.
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Okay I won't go there. Almost time to go home ...
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Ok the I retract my entire fucking comment.
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That kid is an artist.
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It's excellent. Compare his lifestyle to that of our last few former Presidents, what a huge difference. He really does live the Christian life in its most ideal way.
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No mattter how much shit comes out, until there cannot possibly be any more, it will always come back another day to shit all over something else.
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I hate Dubya as much as everyone else in the entire world does (accept for that fanatical wing of mentally retarded cretins -- what was it now, like 10% of the country? -- who continues to suck his cock for Jeebus), but this movie sounds like its going to be unbelievably awful and totally hilarious. I can't wait 'till it hits dvd or cable.
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I am a libertarian Republican, [which means I am a TRUE Republican] and I hate Bush precisely because he stands for "facism [sic], socialism, totalitarian government". You're either too much of an idiot, or too much of a bloodthirsty cocksucker, to realize this. I completely discount the tax cut, because it was entirely financed with deficit borrowing, which means we'll pay for the fully amortized cost of that debt in future taxes. That means that of the two things about Bush you say you like [the tax cut and his desire to exterminate Arabs] we can just dismiss one of them out of hand. That leaves us with only the war. And if you are saying you don't like anything Bush has done, but still support him because you love the war, well - that says all we need to know.
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I came to this site to find ANOTHER Stone/W story and guess what? The same bullshit. You're a fascist! You're a socialist commie demon fucker! And uss cygnus, make up another subject title for your posts, you fucking repetitive, unfunny bastard. www.aint-uss-cygnus-a-fucking-loser-liberal-propagand.fuckyou
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Not yet. I just finished INTO THE WILD and have THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND on the way. But I'm looking forward to receiving it along with another political documentary called STREET FIGHT.I'm really not concerned with Carter's Christian lifestyle - his UFO sighting intrigues me though...
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...because it reads like a junior high schooler's first attempt at a screenplay. Although, when has that ever stopped a movie from getting made?
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...steamy man love with Jeff Gannon?
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Apr 09, 2008 4:38:09 PM CDT
The disparagement between the conservatives and liberals...
by industrykiller!
on this site is unbelieveable. If you were going by talkbacks (I know scary but bare with me) and talkbacks alone as a consensus point, it would be absolutely inarguable to anybody but the completely insane that conservatives comparatively come off as madmen in their opposing posts to the liberal argument. It's absolutely frightening to see what comes out of the mouths of conservatives like USS Cygnuss and Krack. They never have a point, they have a focus of hate that they just beat on using their words like a baseball bat. What they don't understand is how impotent their wrath sounds, the proverbial baseball bat seems made by nerf. I mean for God sake their are guys here who genuinely support George W. Bush. I don't think that a bigger red flag for a huge character flaw can exist today.
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has got to be the funniest most meaningless non-sequitor that conservatives have randomly attempted to throw into the public lexicon simply because they like the way it sounds. The lack of apparent understanding of either term is breathtaking in it's ridiculousness. It couldn't be more of an oxy moron if you threw the word "conservative" in front of it. Really good wordsmithing there gentleman. You scholars are really fighting hard to break the uneducated redneck stereotype.
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The Christian lifestyle was just something I picked up on, not a point of focus in the documentary itself. And by Christian I don't really mean in the religious sense, I meant being very humble. You should see the house he and Roslyn live in. It's like an old time ranch / farm house. Basically, he lives the life he preaches.
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Did he leave? Did anyone figure out who he writes for or even cares? I caught the part about USA Today, hmmm. I read his/her posts and I will have to tell you that a lot of what I was reading did seem as though he was masking a good bit of intelligence just to fuck with you guys and speak on "our" level so to speak. He did have a lot of good points that I do think deserve some looking into. I've already started. No I'm not a plant and No I'm not him.
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Guys, I'm going to re-post part of SamSquanch's coherently written post from the other Oliver Stone TB. Please take a moment to read it, won't you? "You can maintain your conservatism and disagree with the war. It's ok. American politics are resilient enough to handle a bit of counter-intuitive creative thinking....No matter how you slice it, this war is bad for us.
"Ultimately conservatives are conservative because they have something to conserve. Well, this war is swiftly stripping us of everything we would want to conserve as a world power, as a beacon of democracy, as a wealthy nation, and as a civilization. It's a mistake, a blunder, a wrong turn. We've made them before, don't worry, our collective manhood won't shrivel up and disappear the instant we admit we're fallible. The test of real strength and resolve now is actually having the balls to own up, take responsibility, and turn this ship around before we smash into the iceberg our 'leaders' and the neo-con punditry (not to mention talkbacker apologists like cchhrriissm) are convinced isn't there. While they're busy re-arranging the deck chairs, we should be taking over the engine room." A-frickin-men.
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But I figure it belongs here as well.
At the risk of stepping between this shitstorm, all I have to say is, If you're a conservative, a real conservative, (not a neocon bootlicker), and you're feeling conflicted about Bush and the Iraq war, just remember there's another way to look at this.
The most frustrating thing for me is reading an otherwise rational, fair-minded post that is just screaming with that internal struggle- you know the one- when your values are totally at odds with what you can see with your own eyes. Bush does not represent conservative American values. He represents a rogue, radical element of conservatism that is no longer conservative at all. The neocons are an extremist group, the equivalent of the radical left, and just as loony.
I lean conservative in most things, although I won't ever completely align myself with any predetermined ideology, (I'd rather think for myself) these days I consistently find myself agreeing with liberals when it comes to the Iraq war. Not all liberals, mind you, but Fluffy's posts have been particularly correct. I'd rather agree with my conservative brethren, to be honest, but these days, even the smart conservatives seem to be twisting themselves into increasingly painful-looking intellectual pretzels in order to accommodate the pretense that we're not failing in Iraq in every way that matters.
I'm just here to make a suggestion: You can maintain your conservatism and disagree with the war. It's ok. American politics are resilient enough to handle a bit of counter-intuitive creative thinking. In fact, its not really that counter-intuitive, if you take Fluffy's argument about the cost effectiveness of the war. I've tried to justify this occupation a hundred different ways to myself, but nothing ever works. No matter how you slice it, this war is bad for us.
Ultimately conservatives are conservative because they have something to conserve. Well, this war is swiftly stripping us of everything we would want to conserve as a world power, as a beacon of democracy, as a wealthy nation, and as a civilization. It's a mistake, a blunder, a wrong turn. We've made them before, don't worry, our collective manhood won't shrivel up and fall off the instant we admit we're fallible. The test of real strength and resolve now is actually having the balls to own up, take responsibility, and turn this ship around before we smash into the iceberg our 'leaders' and the neo-con punditry (not to mention talkbacker apologists like cchhrriissm) are convinced isn't there. While they're busy re-arranging the deck chairs, we should be taking over the engine room.
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Don't leave us all alone out here. Please come back. You made it cool. He was making it cool, I'm not kidding about that part.
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I should have read that, finky.
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"? And I missed it? Because it seems to obvious answer to the open minded, enlightened liberals telling any conservatives who dare venture onto AintItCool.com to go to Free Republic.
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I was trying to ask if anyone had told the liberals that "< -- Daily Kos Is That Way". Or Democrat underground. I wonder if this post will work.
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If the TBers here wanted to being having this conversation on Free Republic or Daily Kos or Democrat Underground or RedState then we would be. We're having the discussion here because there's a much better chance of being distracted by exclusive Iron Man footage here than on any of those sites.
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I'm beginning to suspect that anybody who feels that he has to announce how he thinks for himself either has deep-rooted ego issues or a very small penis.
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Good for you! Do you want a cookie?
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But don't you hate Batman Begins too? Very suspicious.
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Yeah, hate to tell you, the folks who disagree with you on almost everything wipe their own asses, too. Goofball.
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Yes I hate BB that is what attracted me to his posts. Very observant of you. I just looked at myself and i am sure he/she is not me. He said he was a writer as well so my ADD did not allow me search and see if he ever revealed who he worked for. Hate lazy add
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I guess the real question is, can you spell "beleive" properly? Heheh. Cuz BBSA can't.
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Apr 09, 2008 5:07:00 PM CDT
I'd like to hear from conservatives who think for themselves
by samsquanch
Is that too much to ask?
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I before E. Silly mistake. I guess great minds think alike. Oh I set myself up for this one....
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you still gave me an honest laugh today
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Dannyglover made a remark that The Dark Knight is gonna blow. That could be BBSA too. Damn Im good
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And most people define other people "thinking for themselves" as agreeing with them. Fancy that.
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http://tinyurl.com/3h28dl
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Who's Nolan think he's trying to foll, anyway?
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Are you able to contribute anything? Or do you get some kind of thrill from sniping and running away? This may be a nerd forum, but that doesn't mean we're all little boys.
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but then, anybody who thinks for themselves probably knew that
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You shit in your hand like an Iraqi and you hold like a bouqet of flowers and hand it to your ex. Was that funny or was it to long and drawn out?
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Apr 09, 2008 5:15:09 PM CDT
"A real Gotham city does not have a Chase Bank skyscraper in the
by iamjack'suserid
Wow, do you realize how stupid that is? If Gotham was real, than why wouldn't it have a REAL building in the skyline. And Gotham is not real, so it pretty much can have any building in its skyline that it wants. If that's your only argument for your prophetic prediction, than you need to change the water in your 8-ball. Or maybe its a different kind of 8-ball that can explain your current state?
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just to lighten the mood with a little irreverency?
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check out Uwe's response to that petition. Search his name and "petition" on youtube
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for writing a movie about a worthless ass president. What the hell is he thinking?
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Wachovia is Gotham's "bank of choice" - OF COURSE it's stupid to put a Chase building in the movie. Gawd! Like the Joker would even look twice at a Chase building? Like Harvey Dent would trust Chase with his life savings? No. It's purely Nolan bowing to paid placement and ignoring the fans. WHy not just put some flames on the Batmobile while he's at it?
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Underoos!
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They said that they would most surely like to be on the new batmobile.
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I just did a big hooter off my desk and I am ready for some goddamn talkbackin' Bring it on cowboys. Excluding all of the Ang Lee cowboys ofcourse. God none of this reads right does it?
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I want to see an airbrushed Virgin Mary on the hood. Seriously though, I really hope yall are wrong about the Dark Knight: I've swallowed the hype hook, line, and sinker.
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Well actually his agent called and wants a spot on the hood of the Batmobile. Fuck yes
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He said I need to be in office at 9 tom. That sucks. There goes my high.
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What depresses me the most about this talkback isn't the incessant flaming, but the fact that not one person has mentioned Pooty Poot. There have been a couple of Turdblossom references, but what about fucking Pooty Poot?
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Yea but then the civies wouldn't know what I was talking about and the joke would not be funny....hold up
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know what i'm saying....**makes Will Smith voice and winks**
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HA!! I guess we stand alone here when we hate on the Bat to, huh? DAMNIT!! I just want acceptance. DAMN IT ALL TO HELL I SAY. Listen while we're on the subject. How come no one is complaining about our father's childhood being raped by Keeanu Reeves playing Klaatu in the new Day the Earth Stood Still?
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I suppose no one in a "real" Gotham would drink Coke or Pepsi either.
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Oh, that he does. I want sum of his candy. I'm sure my earth wouldn't stand still.
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Bush is Tony Montana and Giorgio Moroder is doing the soundtrack.
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I actually love Burton's original Batman, that movie was the shit. It deviated quite a bit from the comics, but I still appreciate it as a movie.
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and fuel up the FagMobile.
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We agree. Burton's Bat's was the Shit!! No doubt. Loved that shit.
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Campaign advisor: Remember, Turdblossom delivers only one massive volley at close range... theoretically.
GWB: What do you mean "theoretically?"
Campaign advisor: After all, T.B. has never been tested. He might overload the media, blow up the Republican party!
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Apr 09, 2008 5:54:35 PM CDT
Then Batman will stop in and get a Sub from Jerad at Subway.
by underoos hero
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There are only two great Batman movies thus far. Batman, and Batman Begins.
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You know who else was man sexy? ahah. Gil Gerard as Buck Rogers in episode 108 Planet of the Amazon Women when he's on horse back in that black leather shirtless 70's gear. Love that shit.
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That's my sister you're talking about!
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As Joey Lawrence would say ..WHOA
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See, for me, Burton's and Nolan's versions came at perfect times in my life. I was 10 when I saw Batman, and it rocked my world. I didn't actually know much about Batman, so it didn't matter to me that it deviated. I have since become a rabid Batfan THANKS TO BURTON. So, I went to Nolan's movie much older, much more mature, and with a greater knowledge of who Batman is, and it nailed the character. However, I'll always love the original. How can anyone not like Jack's portrayel of the Joker? It's iconic. And Keaton was a damn fine Batman when he was in that suit. I think Bale is a better Bruce Wayne though, if that makes sense. At any rate, I'm happy to have both versions of Batman.
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That's nothing, my older brother has a similar name. It fits him since he's an ex-con.
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You know what? Now that I think about it, we might be related. I had a famous ancestor by the name of William the Turd of England in 1689.
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"Read my lips."
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it just made me shart a little in scivies.
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damn i ruined my own funny.
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We need more guys like you to keep this site from gettig too serious.
In line with your William the Turd post, turd base is easier to achieve than third base with a girl.
Just drop ass or a duece when you hang out with a girl and viola, you reached turd base.
Hey I didn't make this stuff up, check urban dictionary.
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"Hey there hot chick, you got a nice turd cutter." or you could buy your little sister a Turdle for her birthday. Perhaps if you drop a beefy patty into the grill and reach for it you may get Turd Degree burns. P.S. thanks
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when the admins start the political thread?
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Fart and Turd jokes ONLY. gawd ... Read the rules.
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don't say it. Shit.
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Shit I did it again. I am so gigglin' to myself right now.
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FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was put out by Stone to take attention off what he's really doing... They could have been a little more subtle with the amateur style of the dialogue, but still... C'mon! -
By far a better movie than this shitburger.
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http://www.slate. com/id/2188423/
They have a review of the full script there, and they mention the axis-of-evil section specifically (exactly as it appeared on these leaked pages). -
Ah yes another Oliver Stone masterpiece for the goofy. Apparently JFK (that crock of Shinola) wasn’t enough for you folks. Oh and this is REALLY funny: the Impotent Presidency that was Jimmy Carter's...exalted! Stop it...please your killing me!!
Dubya - Right leader, Right time.
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Apr 09, 2008 7:31:08 PM CDT
What the fuck was that Trade Center movie about anyway?
by underoos hero
Damn am I still here?
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I'll leave now.
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Him and Steve-O would have been great buddies.
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He's not grossly incompetent and evil, he just has porphyria! Also, Karl Rove, kind of a turd blossom, not going to lie.
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...and things get kind of turdblossomy this time of year.
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if anyone has answered that.
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Apr 09, 2008 7:47:57 PM CDT
Doesn't Karl Rove do a chat show in Australia?
by the gospel according to bastardface
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Apr 09, 2008 7:59:28 PM CDT
I'd be inclined to agree with Batman Begins Sucked Ass...
by jackbauer24
If his username wasn't Batman Begins Sucked Ass. Seriously, way to kill your credibility.
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... dog shit? I mean, dumb-ass traitor Lib-tards just hate dog shit and anything dog shit does. It's really pathological. I call it "Dog Shit Derangement Syndrome." You can see it all over TV. Whenver dog shit comes up, the pundits and commentators get all tied up in a knot. It's like dog shit can do nothing right. When is dog shit going to get a fair shake in the Libtard Media? Hey, moveon.org, George Soros, Clooney and all the rest of you America-haters ... GO DOG SHIT!!! I SUPPORT DOG SHIT TO THE END!!! (You just know a movie about dog shit by Oliver Stone isn't going to be fair and balanced - thank God for the dog-shit-friendly Fox News.)
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I saw this today and I wasn't sure. Thanks, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox0QCoUhAYY
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You conservatives did the same thing to Clinton. You bashed him over everything he did or said. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, you want to change the rules of the game. Lets see how supportive of your commander and chief you'll be, if Barack gets elected. The moment you come here with your he hates whitey bullshit I'm going to call you the hypocrite that you are!
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Someone had to say it. I want to see the Rev. Wright movie, "Born in the U.S.ofKKKA.!
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I didn't notice anyone mention this in the TB yet, and it might interest Gozu, but "turdblossom" is a term for a flower that grows out of a cow patty. Kinda means diamond in the ruff, but as the word implies, it's usually jokingly derogatory. Also, Gotham Night, don't mess with Texas.
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Did you know there is a new Indiana Jones movie coming out in a little over a month? It is sort of overriding all other issues. I did, however , love Platoon.
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Your quote ** "I'd be inclined to agree with Batman Begins Sucked Ass If his username wasn't Batman Begins Sucked Ass." ???? Huh? So just because someone has a fictitious Talkback Handle but yet makes total since you will discredit what they have to say? Ragardless of how much since it makes? YOU are the reason Bush is in power. Way to get your talkback cred here on AICN. Now go out and try to find a job after this.
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I'll deduct some from my pay.
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Keifer is a gayfer. Take that and I hope your feelings are all hurt now.
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You know, like one where he gets arresting for all the bad things he's done - of which there are many. As for the counter argument that all presidents do criminal things to some extent, well I have nothing against arresting them too.
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I mean really. This is just a vanity project from another celebrity who thinks a little too highly of himself. Like Redford and all of the others before him, this movie will flop. Not because we all love GW but we simply don't want to go to the movies to see it. We are living it. It's just ridiculous and I can't believe that a studio was stupid enough to fund this.
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Hey, fucking idiot: look at ZeroCorpse's comments. He blatantly said that if you have Conservative views, then leave.
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Seriously, nothing really deep in there. "Bullshit, it plays!" "Real men to go Tehran!" "Real men." I hate Bush alot too but, euch. Lame.
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...that debate like THIS makes this country what it is. Sure, we can't agree on fucking anything, but at least we're exercising our right to free speech and standing up for what we believe in.
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You know what I meant. If Bush is any indication, Republicans don't need to have a good handle on the english language.
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Either way,you're a fucking moron. There is no damn difference between the republicans and the democrats yet this whole damn country is split right down the middle by retards rooting for their "team". Trust me kids,the monsters who are running this world dont give a damn if you vote or who you vote for...you wont touch them either way. You dont know their names,they're not elected,and their only goal in life is to fuck the living shit out of this country and people like you. In 20 years,we'll all be living in the United States of Dubai and Mexico will be laughing about how shitty our economy is and how the stupid gringos keep sneaking across the border to pick fruit for pesos. Oh wait...I meant 2 years,not 20.
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Apr 09, 2008 9:57:39 PM CDT
did anyone, regardless of political leanings, actually LIKE that
by tallboy66
Seriously, I think even if we love or hate Bushie, we can all agree that read like ass.
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You know.
http://tinyurl.com/5sklg6
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for a non-politically charged talkback to pop up soon. everyone's retardometer should level out at that point.
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Why is it I hear "Stewie's" voice from "Family Guy" in every comment on here. Relax...it's just a movie. Hollywood would have made one about Carter..but it wouldn't have been exciting. At least the Rebublicans have added cinema and excitement to Hollywood!! I'm surprised they don't vote more Rebublicans!! The movies are there!! Clinton's scandal is bore city...that's all he had!!
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and turning rice into some heroine is bs...she is an expert at russian politics, knows nothing about the middle east
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wanking whilst cheney shouts "lick my ass neophyte!"
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Just from looking at the comments that followed ... my point was that defending Bush at this point is essentially defending dog shit. (ganymede3010, looking in your direction.) I'd bet we'll hear lots of "oh, he polarized the country, left-right, let's be fair and balanced about it" crap once he's out of office.
Yeah, sure, let's be fair about Bush's legacy because we all have opinions, right?
Oh, and then, while we're at it, how about a Food Network special on the merits of a Shit Sandwich? Because, you know, there ARE people out there who deliberately eat shit. (Sorry if I just spoiled anyone's lunch/life with that bit of news.) Just because the vast majority of the rest of us think a shit sandwich is an atrocious idea doesn't mean we should all be partisan about it, right?
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Apr 10, 2008 12:39:11 AM CDT
You people who come into this talkback to advertise entertainmen
by sick fixx
like Indiana Jones, Lost, South Park, Transformers, G.I. Joe and all that other entertainment bullshit are pathetic. You probably don't even follow politics, and feel threatened by the presence of a discussion that could turn serious and make you face real issues you've been hiding from your whole life.
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Brilliant.
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Bob Geldof credits GW Bush with channeling a lot of badly-needed aid to Africa, something he doesn't get much credit for because that small bit of good is so badly overshadowed by the corruption, secretiveness, mismanagement, arrogance, incompetence, and subversion of the constitution that have been the hallmarks of his administration.
This president - along with a lackey GOP congress for six years and a weak-kneed Democratic congress for two - has redistributed from the poor to the rich upwards to $3 trillion while needlessly spilling the blood of thousands of Americans and upwards to a million Iraqis, sending hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas, and quite possibly plunging the nation into the Great Depression 2.0.
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Mind if I skip all the political back-and-forth and comment on the content of the actual story?
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This should make for a great drinking game too.
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Once again grown adults, who obsessively clean their guns and listen to George Noory, are about to do verbal battle with those who obsess over if Whole Foods is more 'green' than Trader Joes!!! *grabs popcorn
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"Ree muh lehs."
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Did you get your popcorn from whole foods or trader joe's? Be careful how you answer!
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That's some funny shit. Yep, George and Dick sittin' around, drinkin' beers and laughing about kicking some Axis of Evil ass. They should recast with Will Ferrell as Bush and Darrel Hammond as Cheney. That'd be awesome. Oh wait. This is a drama?
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Having slogged through yet another ad hominem fest of a Talk Back here, I have to say more has been said (though little really thought of) the president. Given that this isn't National Review or New Republic or for that matter the Nation, I suppose I'd expect that. Yet I'm stunned at the real lack of thought to the script itself. Having read the four pages I have to say it adheres to every worst cliche of the president I hear from the Left. For the record, it was David Frum who came up with the "Axis of Evil" line which cost him his job as it was largely riddiculed. The rest is the frat boy stereotype that has allowed the president to be underestimated for the duration of his political career.
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Slate's review makes the movie sound even worse. It's kind of a shame that someone with the power and resources of Stone, who could do all kinds of research and interviews, put out a movie about what the people who don't like George Bush THINK he did and said and thought. This whole movie just seems completely pointless. Bush isn't running for president again. It's so biased it's not going to get some people to not vote Republican in November, and people understand that McCain isn't Bush. This is as insightful as an SNL sketch or a Bill Maher joke about GWB. On top of all that, the two choices for titles are "Bush" and "W"? Both pretty lame sounding. And one will cause trouble by confusing people trying to rent porn. Oh, GEORGE Bush. Incidentally, if you make a less biased film about this guy, and it turns out mostly negative, fine. But this script is not informing anyone of anything, or giving any insight, from what I can tell. Granted, I'm basing this on a very short review and a couple of pages of the script, but still...
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please be excised from everyone's vocabulary? Also can we please stop it with this crap about Nazi's being left wing because they had "socialist" in their name. If a remarkably bovine animal- complete with udders- came up to you and (given that cows can't talk) said "I'm a trampoline" would you think it a trampoline? Titles/ labels are not indicative of the actual nature of something. AnimalBraneBalls is a prime example of this- the name changes, but the vile nature of the beast does not.
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"Politics and the English Language." I think it will explain some of the confusion over the "Fascist left" debacle.
Speaking of which, has anyone read or seen interviews about Jonah Goldberg's book Liberal Fascism? It is absolutely hilarious. The man has no concept of Fascism and makes the most absurd connections. For instance, because Fascists promoted health in the body and some liberals believe in being healthy...LIBERALS ARE FASCISTS! Or, because Fascists believe in never ending wars and because liberals termed the phrase "war on poverty"...LIBERALS ARE FASCISTS! Anyway, it is a wonderful demonstration of an intellectual lightweight on the conservative end of the perspective. Here's an interview:
http://tinyurl.com/5z8wej
Anyway, my favorite part is when the interviewer actually quotes Mussolini and Jonah Goldberg criticizes the interviewer for "going to the text." Yes, because textual evidence is a bad thing. Anyway, it's pretty funny for anyone who's interested. -
It's not 'fiction as history,' it's "Investigative Directing." Even if everything you say is apocryphal (or at tleast wildly inaccurate), people will let it slide if the sets are nice and the scene is well-lit...
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As myself and many others have noted, this won't please the left or the right. It's just a colossally dumb idea. We barely know what has gone on in the White House over the last eight years, and already Stone wants to make a movie about it? This reeks of someone trying to reclaim his past glories. What was the last good Oliver Stone movie? I can't even remember.
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We could have used your wit in the 'Plain's TB. The 'AnimalBranesBall'handle, cracked me up! Some people will never learn.
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and I was horrified at some of the tripe being reproduced. Funnily enough- if the "Fascist Left" idiots were to substitute Fascist with Totalitarian I'd have no problem. But "Totalitarian" is just not as emotive as "Fascist"
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Just because many of us here say the script sucks so far, like myself, doesn't mean that we are doing so in defense of Bush. Without a doubt, I think George W. Bush's administration was the WORST 8 years in American History. But, you can't deny that this portion of the script is HORRIBLY WRITTEN.
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No matter which of the unholy three is elected. Globalization will continue. Resources will continue to dry up. Population will explode. The planet will get warmer. Capitalism will favor the wealthy and the poor will always be poor. Live with it.
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In twenty years, when oil is used up and the food riots are in full swing. When the federal government is quelling dissent with poison gas and assault rifles. When the hanging of liberal traitors is common. When Florida is under water and it's against the law not to belong to the evangelical church. The name of George W. Bush will be revered above all others in our great totalitarian republic.
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Only the second half of Batman Begins sucked ass. The rest was pretty good.
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Anyone else wish there was a new party? One that actually is for the people by the people and not for radical right Jesus or nutty special interests left or whatever controls them. I have a dream...
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But I'll still watch it, should be good for a laugh. I've heard that Paul Giamatti might play Karl Rove, he would be good, but that character should be CGI, you know, since Rove isn't human and all.
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...the script pages I read are the true "turdblossom" here...seriously, did Stone write this? I hope that is an early, early draft...maybe we could re-imagine it with a shark...
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Stone's desperation to be talked about again, even if it's only because of the "controversial" nature of his topic. Seriously, whether you love Bush or hate him, it would be dumb as shit to actually spend money on this movie.
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Apr 10, 2008 1:21:38 PM CDT
Actuall, I can see how you might have trouble selling "Axis of E
by c.k. lamoo
It is rather provocative from a diplomatic point of view and it does sound like something pulled from a comic book, sort of like "The League of Super-Dictators". However, in the long run, the way it trades of the sacrifices of the greatest generation to justify a resource grab and corporate giveaway makes it a slogan of near genius. Right up there with "Climate Change" and "Partial Birth Abortion"
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Since there is an anti-Boll one, there MUST be an anti-Bay one. Let's see if there are a million against BAY.
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Its probably fairly accurate. It might not be twenty years, though, I'm thinking more like 40 or 50. Still sad, though. Except for the part about Florida being under water, of course.
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Apr 10, 2008 2:44:56 PM CDT
rbatty- I remember reading "Politics and the English Language"
by samsquanch
Many, many years ago. Its unfortunate that these days, Goldberg's book is flying of the shelf (ok, maybe dribbling off the shelf) and Orwell's book is sitting there untouched. State of the nation. The word of the day is 'syllogism'.
I remember seeing a hilarious clip somewhere of Jon Stewart trying to interview Goldberg, but he was so frustrated by his unrelenting circular logic he simply couldn't handle it. I remember Stewart at one point looking at the ceiling, beyond belief, then saying "That's literally like saying- Hitler had a moustache, therefore men with moustaches are fascists." The interview wasn't aired.
Men like Jonah Goldberg are paid to muddy the waters of debate, to make it difficult for reasonable people who disagree over reasonable points to actually have a civil conversation. Very few people actually believe that liberalism leads to fascism, but many people understand that to promote such an absurd notion (and to actually find enough material to fill a book!) will get people's blood up and stop reasonable discourse. It's a last, desperate attempt by people with no intellectual arrows left in their quiver, so we should be suspicious of whomever raises these types of arguments. They're either blindingly stupid people, or they have an anti-intellectual agenda. Scary on both counts. The best way to deal with both types is to back away slowly and not engage. -
Canada is beautiful this time of year.
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Everybody with a binary mindset must get into the CAGE and fight it out until someone screams UNKAL!!!!! That's right homies...it's time for the 1st Annual Battle Royale of the Absolutists!!!! All extreme left and right wingers prepare for WAR!!!!! You have 10 minutes to pick a leader and give your marching orders!! Then it's time for the beatings to begin!!! Put your muscle where your mouth is and stop flapping that pie-hole! If you've ever said "America, love it or leave it!" then you can fight on your chosen side!!! If you've ever compared members of the opposition party as HITLER or STALIN then you can be a grunt in the WAR to end all WARS!!! If you've ever thought, "Those assholes! They hate America first!!" then you too can be a REAL general in a REAL Battle Royale and stop that armchair politicking!!! If you think members of the opposition are NAZIS, or FASCISTS, or COMMIES, or just 'dickheads in general' then you too can join in on the ass-kicking fun! Don't be pussies! Stop barking at each other and start bashing! Personally, I think the Republicans will win because they've got lots of guys with trucks and like that Walking Tall guy and the Democrats have to use up the scrawny psuedo-intellectuals as cannonfodder before they get to the beefy amazonian hairy-pit crowd and the limbs really start to fly! Republicans must dress all in red and Democrats all in blue. Any indecisive purple assholes will be used as targets during the beanbag cannon portion of the show. All spectators get to keep their 3D glasses (with special partisan lenses of red & blue!) plus get a prize based on your partisan loyalty!!! A free bagel toaster for liberals or an english muffin maker for conservatives!!!!So stop pretending you're well read...stop presuming to be intelligent...quit pretending that you know what's going on!!! Only the strong survive and getting all tantrum-y will just get you laughed at and pummeled with rocks and garbage! Learn to swim...learn to fight...fight for the cause! BATTLE ROYALE!!!!!!!
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No matter which one wins, Clinton or Obama, the other side will be pissed off and refuse to support the winner and McCain will Triumph. This will serve the Democrats right for being stupid enough to let Republicans vote in Democratic Primaries. It has allowed the Republicans to manipulate an election in their favor which they otherwise would have had no hope of winning.
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But movies about politicians who haven't even cooled the seat in the Oval Office yet is a pretty stupid move. Bor-ring! I expect no less of Stone. Or Hollywood, who squeal like piggies all the way home when politics don't go their way. And if you really want to spew at a politician, at least spew it at an INTERESTING politician. W puts us all to sleep.
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excellent! I'm all for it.
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For anyone who has actually read Liberal Fascism, Goldberg says within the first 20 pages numerous times that he is NOT calling modern progressives jackbooted stormtroopers bent on genocide but soft of soft-styled, smiling totalitarians. He addresses it as an intellectual movement, rooted in socialist and collective traditions. But just because something is of a socialist left or right does not unmake it socialism. Hence, American conservatives blanche every time they are compared to European based socialist movements of a totalitarian bent, but the fact remains that progressives--not conservatives--of the era of those movements admired both the Soviets and at times the Nazis. This admiration is well documented and I find no waters "muddied" as it were, if Goldberg highlights this. Ultimately though, his book represents a hardcore rebuttal to American conservatives being called "fascist" by far too many in the acdemy and media without any real regard to what that word means.
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Enjoy you little party Lefties. Your side has done the hard work of smearing the Right and in a sense, earned the White House. My side sat back and let you guys carry the day with your loony positions. No worries, once buyer’s remorse sets in after BHO's election, taxes get jacked, healthcare gets more screwed up and we get attacked again, Righties will be back. It is inevitable; at some point America always wakes up from its nap and realizes that it’s time to get back to work and elect Conservatives. By the way, for you Socialists out there screaming about the unequal distribution of wealth…surf on over to IRS.GOV and do some reading. The top 50% of all wage earners pay 97% of all income tax. The Top 25% pay 86%. Which means Conservatives essentially finance your blessed entitlement programs. Somebody call AlGore…’cause that’s an inconvenient truth!
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Apr 10, 2008 8:46:43 PM CDT
No, Cooperation And Rational Discourse Will Save The World
by laserpants
Liberal Progressives and Conservatives looking for a common ground, looking for rational, sensible, and workable solutions to problems will save the world. Soundbyte politics, screaming head punditocracy, blind ideological propagandizing, and generalized dumbassery of the past 8 years will most certainly end, it however. If you must be a raving lunatic, by all means please do find your own island and start your own country. The rest of us want to fix this country and get it back on track as a world power, not a world embarrassment.
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You left out that the top 1% of income earners pays just over a third of all income taxes. And that the bottom 50% of wage earners in America (using wage as the scale) only means about 60 million people, that is a fifth of the population are the bottom "half" of wage earners. Nevermind, I guess America's capitalistic streak only favors those greedy, rich, few who aren't paying their fair share (even though the rich work 5 months a year just to pay their taxes).
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Liberals have been trying to refer to themselves as "progressives" since the 50's (at least, that decade is the earliest that I've read literature use the term "progressive" in place of liberal). Progressive was brought in because there is a negative connotation associated with "liberal" in so much of the nation, that the liberals tried to hide behind a new name. Progressive=Liberal, Liberal Progressives is redundant.
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I've been following Alex Jones for YEARRRRRRS now. Since his first radio show. He has gotten sooo much better at proving his theories. His videos are even being produced better. I know alot of people would just discredit his information because he didn't have a "slick" video but hey, who needs them. Sorry I got all political for a moment. Did someone here fart?
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...or fall for anything, LSRPNTS. Tell me how to work with ideologues like yourself who stand 180 degrees in opposition of what we believe in? Give you guys an inch and you'll take mile. Extend a hand of partnership, like Uncle George did to Ted "swimmer" Kennedy by letting him help author No Child left behind, and get it snapped off by the screams of “unfunded mandates”. Legalize abortion and your side wants to puncture the head of a newborn as part of the deal. Agree to let you take 28% of my paycheck to pay for failed entitlements and you want 35%. No sir (or madam)! No longer! The line must be drawn here and now. We will oppose you at the top of our lungs as loudly as you oppose us.
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Why do you bang on so much about liberals plotting to dominate the world when you people ALREADY CONTROL THE PLANET? I mean honestly! Where in the western world are there governments who could even be described as liberal with a straight face? Where? Every time the left in any country anywhere throws up a credible candidate for anything you bitch and snarl crazy things about a 'Liberal Conspiracy' and proceed to character assasinate out of all proportion. 'His middle name sounds like a dictator!' 'His Pastor said bad things about our country!' 'He's married and another woman sucked his dick!' Wah wah, boo hoo.
Conservatives have a majority in every government everywhere. if they're not in power then they are influencing power by making any politician with even the slightest left wing bent too frightened to espouse their views. You run the corporations that control all our lives. You run the banks, you print the money, you control the Stock Market! You organise religions of all kinds, except for the ones which wear orange robes and pray for peace (those guys you call 'separatists' or 'terrorists' and you burn those suckers). You make it so that important scientific research into curing the worst kind of diseases can never take place thanks to your barmy religious beliefs and powerful lobbies. You own the companies that manufacture the weapons that fall into the hands of criminals. You call yourselves Patriots, Communists, Upstanding Citizens, New Labour, Republicans...whatever, it's all the same thing. How much more power do you people actually need?!
Liberal conspiracy my downtrodden Liberal arse! What about the Conservative conspiracy? -
You're clearly an insane ultra-right-wing propaganist, and you're exactly the kind of person we don't need, and we don't want. Note the vast majority of American citizens who agree with me and will be voting accordingly in November. No Child Left Behind IS an unfunded mandate. It could work if it was funded appropriately, but its not. Its just yet another attempt to end public education. (Something the ultra-right-wing had been trying to do for years). I think the shortfall is like, what $250 Million dollars? Where'd that money go I wonder? Oh yeah, the Endless War waged on false pretenses (aka lies). You know, the war we're losing? That one. And then you gotta look at who you're dealing with. I teach in a poverty stricken urban district, and these kids need A LOT of help to catch up with their affluent suburban contemporaries. There is a huge difference between children who grow up in stable affluent homes and broken poverty stricken ones. Kids from the suburbs have a leg up. I agree that both demographics can reach proficiency, and should reach proficiency, but the starving poverty demographic needs more help. Every educator, psychologist, and sociologist agrees. Oh, but thats right, NeoCons don't believe in science or research; its all just gut reactions, propaganda, and religious mythology (in short, the New Dark Ages).
Its interesting that you bring up abortion. Can you help me out here, cause I don't understand your logic. Why is it that NeoCons are so obsessed with birth, but then couldn't possibly care less about the actual human being that results from it? What, you want to force these children to be born into a world of grinding poverty and neglect that your NeoCon policies have created? Thats sick! I mean seriously, you couldn't care less about actual human beings: its as if you want them to suffer. Lets be consistent here, because your whole argument is totally hypocritical. A blob of goo is not a child, a child is a child. And if you REALLY cared about children being born, than you should be extra focused on their lives and making their lives better through education, social services, and the like. Wake up, look around, listen to what people are saying. You're in the minority. The screaming heads will still scream, but nobody is listening anymore. If you want to start a religious dictatorship, go find an island and start one. -
Congrats to Sith for actually using the word Totalitarian rather than Fascist when describing socialism. I have read the book in question and I disagree strongly, what he is attempting to do is move the goalposts so that Fascist is a wholly leftist term.and although he is very clear with the use of totalitarian and collective terms, the book is itself a fine example of circular argument and merely gives the likes of BrainAnimalBalls an excuse to trot out their usual psuedo-politco-philosophical claptrap. What is truly hysterical is noted racist/ advocate of genocide Animal crackers has started calling other people "racist". You despicable bastard.
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Is because once you realize that the system has you fucked, that you're basically here to labor, consume goods and the surrender what little wealth you've accumulated back into the health care system. Once you realized that, it's fun to pretend that you're on the winning side, part of the ruling class and that you share their beliefs and hate the outsiders. But you know, you're really NOT one of them. You didn't go to their schools, you didn't join the skulls, you are just another nobody. And your only hope for a better life is after you're dead. Good luck with that!
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I'm not making any more decisions until I see some god damn partisan blood in the civilian BATTLE ROYALE!!!! Stop with the sensible conversation or trying to equivocate dictators with American political parties or attempting to deconstruct words like "Fascism" and "Socialism" with words like "Progressivism" or "Conservatism" or "Liberalism" or "Neo-con..err...-ism"!!! If you ain't swinging knuckles you ain't shit sportsfans!!!! Did you know that Martin Luther, yes he of the Lutherans, namesake for Dr. King...he was an intellectual giant in his day....not too mention a big dude (rumored at 6'4" and well above 200lbs give or take)...when this guy was debating someone with an plainly idiotic point...he would physically attack them! The man was a GENIUS!!! There must be no laws for civility in partisan politics!! Looks at some of the Asian governments...those parliament types are constantly beating the shit out of each other right in the government halls and auditoriums! Enlightened awesomeness for everyone!!! So come all ye ill-tempered sportsfans!!! Come and have your Battle Royale!! Whoever is left standing can be king of the hill! Plus you can say "I kicked that [political party affiliation of loser] pantywaist's fat ass!!!!" and no one will disagree with you! Now that's awesomeness we'd all like to have a bite out of!! Along with some delicious Krispy Kreme donuts!!!
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Whenever I try to picture two TBers fighting, I always think of either Kyle and Cartman's "final battle" in Cartoon Wars, or the "Boy Fight" videos from Arrested Development. Either way I'm with you, as long as someone tapes the fight and makes it available for everyone's amusement.
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History is written by the victors.
LMAO PWND.
Incompetent or evil anyway you cut it a GOP a majority was 7 years of failure after failure. -
Farted in the devil's face. Man, I thought that was so cool.
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...probably 4 foot 1 tops. Plus that cloven thing...he's a pretty neurotic dude actually...make sense with the whole projection/compensation thing..."Grrrr...prince of darkness.....wooooo..ahhh...grrrrr....terrible satan...grr" ya know?
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I had a vindaloo for lunch.
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Against whom? "Fucktard"? What does that even mean? But the best part of your hate screed is that you don't actually back up any of your blathering, theres no real point; its just more screaming, like all the NeoCons -- you know you don't actually have an argument, you don't actually have anything to go on, so you just SHOUT louder. Thankfully, the vast majority of the country has finally woken up and knows your tricks. Don't let the door slam your ass on the way out. On second thought... go ahead and let it. Hard.
Oh, and btw, I knew that WhatsHisName wasn't gonna win in 2004 -- mostly because he used big words and spoke in a flat, uncharismatic monotone. As soon as he got the nomination, I knew Bush would win (and even at that he won by like, what, a 1% margin? Hardly a mandate). However, I also knew, and so did most, that the Dems would sweep the midterm elections. And they did. Really looking forward to November. How about you? Didn't think so. -
As in kicking each other's asses up and down the street until there's ass pieces all over the place!You know you want it....we know we want it....so bust it sportsfans!! BATTLE ROYALE NOW!!! Come on dudes...you gonna let some teenage pinheads from Florida show you up with their beating video? Start the chant (sung to Beastie's "Bobby Rydell")BATTLE ROYALE!BATTLE ROYALE!!BATTLE ROYALE!!!
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if only it were that easy.
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Its mainly about Iraq. It seems to me that once you get past all the name-calling and hate speech from both sides of the fence, assuming that the differences are reconcilable and it's not just about hating eachother (don't put it past some people, they just like to take sides and hate the other side for the sake of it) we can all agree that when it comes to some things, we're in it together.
I don't see why conservatives support the war. It's a terrible failure, in every way. For those of you that think that an expression of military might is an end unto itself, how do reconcile the fact that we've borrowed $4 trillion since 2002 from Saudi Arabia and China in order to finance our grand display of power? We're currently spending about $16 billion a month to pay for our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. How is this maintaining our sovereignty? Assuming you believe the current story- that we're spreading the gift of democracy to the beleaguered little country of Iraq, and further- that we're winning (I wonder just how much longer we can stand to keep winning) even if this is true, I for one no longer believe it, is it worth it? Is it worth selling our country to the same societies that are, according to the current wisdom, our ideological enemies? How can we feel pride at the sight of an armed American convoy entering an Iraqi village when we know that the Saudis are paying for it? Are the Iraqis worth it? How is this an expression of sovereignty? how can we be proud of this? How can you defend it as a conservative and a patriot? Are you really so easily manipulated that you'll forget to look at the bill, or recognize the face of the person extending your credit, for the sake of a fucking parade?
At this rate America won't belong to Americans anymore within our lifetime. Imagine if Saudi Arabia or China decided to call in their debt? We wouldn't be able to pay it, and they would own us outright. They won't even have to declare war, and if they did, we'd have no way of financing our defense anyway. So go on, you proud conservatives, you noble patriots, keep banging the war drum and looking down your noses at the cowardly liberals and the pansy democrats. They obviously aren't real men, the poindexters with their calculators and spreadsheets, they don't know what it is to be a real man, to sit in an armchair and cheer when Bush goes on tv and tells the terrorists to "Bring it on."
Be a real man, a real conservative, and a real patriot, grow some balls and demand the end of this fucking idiotic war, before we're all speaking Chinese or Arabic. Fools. -
I don't know about that. Our foreign debt can easily be used as leverage (we don't have to pay them back as long as we don't expect foreign gov's to continue financing our deficit spending). What I don't understand, from a economic perspective, is why non-export based economies (ie, not China, Japan, South Korea, etc) would buy our bonds. Or really, even China for that matter. Japan and South Korea are developed enough to where it's against their interest to devalue their currencies vs propping up the dollar, China is in a position where the benefits outweigh the costs. But still, China has lost about a tenth of their reserves due to the downward pressure on the dollar in the money exchange markets (which is good for America; people seem think that a strong dollar is good just because it is "strong," economics disagrees).
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Iraq isn't expensive relative to history or other gov expenditures. We spend about a trillion dollars annually on social security. Congress has a budget of about 3 trillion dollars annually. Iraq expenses pale in comparison to those.
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people make way too big a deal out of China. Yes, China's economy has grown at a rate about 5 times that of our economy for the past decade, yet in that same time frame, America's GDP per capita growth has doubled that of China. People forget that China started at a communist production level, and that America has had the world's largest economy since 1890, and ours has been growing ever since.
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The reason half of the Iraq War has been financed via deficit is political. Bush can ask for half the money to be on the record, which is very, very small by Congressional Budget standards; hence, doesn't carry enough political juice to justify the Dems making a fuss about.... then "suddenly" demand the other half in emergency spending (aka deficit spending), making the Dems look like heartless, traitor, against the Troops, bastards if they don't fork it over.
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You obviously understand more about geoeconomics than I do, but I notice that you don't outright disagree with my main point. Liberals always point to the fact that since the Clinton years, we went from a surplus to the largest national debt in history. Personally, I don't attribute that to Clinton, but to the tail end of 60 years of the American dollar being considered the economic standard by which to borrow against. This is no longer the case. I wonder how long it will take for us to realize that 60 years of being the top of the food chain is now over, but that we're still operating as if it were. We've inherited a sense of luxury and entitlement which has made us soft, and pushed us into a habit of always believing that things will work out in the end, if we just keep spending and throwing good money after bad. in this context, dismissing war expenditures as 'not so expensive' seems a little old fashioned, if not worse, a further example of the false sense of security we've found ourselves in. I might be a bit chicken-little-ish in my doomsday predictions, but even my limited understanding tells me this is a dangerous road, and since I no longer believe the war in Iraq is serving American interests, even a little over-budget is too much, and debt in the trillions doesn't seem like a small problem, no matter how you slice it.
Anyway, I respect your knowledge, and please, please, tell me I'm wrong. If we're in Iraq to secure the last real currency in order to keep America running, I can maybe live with that, as fucking evil as it is, but don't tell me the war in Iraq is worth anything if it means we're hastening the end of our world as we know it.
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the polar ice-caps are melting on Mars because we thoughtlessly sent the Mars rovers (which are nothing but SUV's) over there.
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You don't even know the half of it when it comes to American debt, it's SO, SO, much larger than is reported and a whole other issue. Surplus/Deficits are another story. Last 30 years simplified is: Reagan inherited massive inflation, the Fed's anti-inflation advice worked much faster than expected (just 2-3 years), meaning all the inflation adjusted tax income the government expected never materialized, and when running for reelection, Reagan could not raise taxes for political reasons, hence the Reagan deficits. Clinton inherited economic growth and drove down military spending to an unsustainable level to get his surpluses. Bush inherited a economic downturn and had to reverse 8 years of Clinton's unsustainably low military spending in just a few years (which meant replacing all our smart missiles and replacing the third of the military personnel we lost during Clinton) while financing two wars, increasing social spending, and increasing the government payroll. Initially, his Keynsian policies worked, but due to political pressure, he kept up to Keynesian policies which played a large part in the over-heating of our economy (inflation couple with lower productivity growth and higher unemployment). Keynsesian policies work, but only until prices adjust.
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The Iraq War is not a significant source of our debt, and will not become one regardless of how long we stay there. The whole 60 years of reserve currency status has to due with the Bretton Woods agreement and the dollar's stability vs other currencies. American still accounts for just over a quarter of the globe's GDP, we aren't in any mortal trouble. But, unless we either raise taxes to an unacceptable level (both politically and economically) or reign in our social spending, our debt is going to drive the dollar down, and right out of reserve currency status.
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We can grow our way out of debt, as long as Congress adheres to a multi-decade plan. Which isn't likely. Currently, national debt, B, [defined as Bonds(at time t)=Bonds(at t-1, ie interest) + deficit(at time t) + misc.(various loans that aren't actually counted as debt via accounting practices)] over GDP, that is B/GDP, equals 0.368 in 2007. If we can keep our debt from growing, our economic growth will bring that ratio down to more acceptable levels in the next couple decades. But, seeing as how the three Presidential hopefuls never even mention out debt, this doesn't seem likely.
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Social spending vs military spending? It's an honest question, I know that text can sometimes be difficult to interpret, I'm not being sarcastic. If it is, and that it all boils down to whether you believe in sustaining a military budget at the expense of a social one within our borders or vice versa, I guess the real question is- which of these policies truly supports Americans and American interests? Do you think there's a correlation between Clinton's favoring social spending at the expense of military spending and the mess we're in now? Or was Bush's extreme reversal of that a goal in and of itself, with the tail wagging the dog?
I guess I simply refuse to believe that a country like the US can't manage both, even though it seems like a difficult test to point to a time in history when that was the case. Also, I don't trust the Neocon administration, I think they're manipulating conservative values to their own ends, and that paying lip-service to traditional conservatism is a method by which they keep us sedated while they rob the house. I don't think they represent my interests, I don't think they represent the interests of anyone unless you're in the top .00001 percent of the country's wealthiest.
I guess my point is, not all social spending is wrong, America has always been somewhat liberal in that regard, and the same argument goes for conservatism and military spending. A common balance between the two is what the country is all about. I see the numbers, I watch the news, I listen to Bush talk, and I can't help thinking that this is not what we're about, something is deeply wrong. It transcends right vs left bickering... I wonder what it really is. -
the Bush tax cut was aimed at small businesses, not the Rockefellers, hence it boosted employment. It meant an extra 30-80 thousand for many business, hence funds for an extra employee or two. Also, I don't care how much money a person makes, having to give 40% of it over to the government is completely unacceptable to me. As for military spending, here's the breakdown along Presidential lines as percentages of GDP: Pre-Vietnam JFK - 9.3%, Carter (1979) - 4.7%, Reagan (1980) - 6%, Bush (present day) - 4%. I personally believe our military spending is entirely too low. Our military is still to a large degree geared to fighting Russia in Europe, not urban combat, rebuilding, or maintaining the peace. If we just devote a tenth of our economic growth (seen in the gov's tax income) over the next decade, we can double our defense budget. We don't have to choose between defense and social spending.
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If you're wondering where I'm getting my info from, most of the figures I've listed have come from a class I'm taking over American Economic Policy, taught by Martin Feldstein (one of the top 10 economists in the world, Economic adviser to Reagan, economic consultant to Clinton, President and CEO of NBER, and the inspiration for Mr. Burns from the Simpsons, though I've never understood why) and Jeffrey Liebmam (another very famous economist who is currently working for the Obama campaign). Their debates are enlightening, to say the least.
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sorry, Jeffrey Liebman, not Liebmam
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thanks for taking the time, Stevie. I'm off to dinner.
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You go Stevie! That's some very eloquent econ talk. Oh and Laserpants...since obviously no one is posting here anymore, I'll be back at you on the next AICN Lefitst talkback. Never Surrender! Stay strong Conservatives. It's always darkest before the dawn!
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