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RUMOR CONTROL! Let’s Talk About CLOVERFIELD/SLUSHO/1-18-08!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. If we’re going to talk rumors about INDY 4 this morning, we’ve definitely got to spend a little time talking about CLOVERFIELD. Now, before you say, “well, how do we know you know anything?!”, let’s take a look back at the first mention of the film here on the site. On June 21st, before the first screening of TRANSFORMERS with the trailer attached, before anyone outside of Paramount had mentioned word one about the film anywhere, we broke the entire story here on the site. Check it out for yourself. That story was also used to challenge the veracity of a blog that claimed to be about the production of THE DARK TOWER. I’ve since learned that the guy who ran that blog may well have been hired to be on an Abrams film... just not the one he thought he was working on. That may have been the first leak on CLOVERFIELD, but he didn’t know enough to make it worthwhile. I followed up this piece with more details on June 25th, and together, those two stories became the basis of almost everything you’ve read since. When I wrote that story, I didn’t realize that Abrams was going to be pursuing a sort of veil of complete secrecy around the film, and I didn’t know he’d be creating a game leading up to the release. I actually feel bad that we sort of spelled it out as completely as we did. The one thing that he should be happy about is that no one really knew what the hell CLOVERFIELD was, so they didn’t read the article when I ran it. It certainly didn’t set the world on fire until people saw the trailer themselves, at which point we got flooded with e-mails asking, “What is that trailer? Why don’t you know anything about it yet?” Well, 90% of everything that’s out there now came from one source, guys. Me. I broke the following facts about CLOVERFIELD exclusively: The title being a cover. It being a giant monster movie shot as if from a hand-held video camera. The low budget on the movie. The fact that Drew Goddard is writing it, and that Matt Reeves is directing it. The fact that the creature is nicknamed “the Parasite” by those working on the film. I described the trailer beat-for-beat before anyone outside the studio had seen it. And yet nobody is citing us as the source of that information. Check out this asshole. And, yes, I just called you an asshole, Kirk Montgomery, because you’ve passed off other people’s work of the last two weeks as some sort of exclusive on your part. You didn’t learn anything “exclusively,” since everything in your article is regurgitated from other sources. You’re not the first person to simply re-run the information we broke about the movie in the past ten days, but you make it sound in your article like no one else anywhere has already written about the viral marketing sites or the way it’s being shot or the budget. There’s not a single piece of new reportage in your piece, and the way you try to make it sound like you somehow broke this wide open makes you... well... an asshole. I don’t blame him, though. I’m sure he was told to write a story about this by his editor, and that’s because this has become a huge deal very quickly. Already, we’re starting to see some backlash in the talkbacks, as people talk about the film being overhyped. Fandom moves so fast these days that they’re starting to reject movies that are still shooting based solely on things like release dates or their own illogical expectations. Case in point: the way people started to get really attached to their pet theories about what this film is. “It’s VOLTRON!” “No, it’s a LOST tie-in!” “It’s not a movie at all! It’s just a LOST season four promo!” “No, it’s GODZILLA!” “No, it’s C’thulu!” And when it turns out to be none of those things, fans are going to hold it against the movie, as if they were promised something. But they weren’t. They’ve been projecting, and they’ve gotten invested in their own ideas, and now they’re going to be mad when the film isn’t what they decided it should be. Relax. Seriously. In a way, I don’t think JJ Abrams had any idea how much his teaser would set people off, but in another way, I think he got exactly what he wanted. I have a theory about Abrams. I think he was a biiiiiig fan of Disneyland growing up. One of the great things about going to Disney (I lived near Orlando as a kid, so I always think about the Magic Kingdom when I think of the parks) is the way they don’t just have rides. The rides actually begin the moment you step into the park. Everything on the property is about setting a mood, getting you ready for the rides. When you’re standing in line, you get gradually immersed in these environments that drop you into the world you’re about to visit. Like the grave stones outside the Haunted Mansion or the docks on the Jungle Cruise or the ramps up into Space Mountain. You start the ride before you start the ride, and I think that sums up the attitude JJ Abrams and Bad Robot have towards entertainment now. Don’t scream at Abrams that he owes you all the answers right now. He doesn’t. Not yet. He’s got six months to go before this film comes out, so all he’s trying to do is get you intrigued. Hooked a bit. I’d say he more than accomplished that task. Now let him give you the bread crumbs as a game, and enjoy it. You’ll get onto the ride soon enough, and then it’ll be over, and why rush that? Why not enjoy the build-up? When you get overexcited, you get an Ethan Haas situation, and people spend a lot of energy that they shouldn’t spend in the wrong direction. To be clear, all the Ethan Haas sites are interesting and well-coordinated, but none of them have anything to do with CLOVERFIELD. Instead, they are marketing for an upcoming game called ALPHA OMEGA by Mindstorm Labs. Cool stuff, but it’s not connected to the film at all. I think the one thing that’s undisputable about the trailer is that it worked. It got people talking. Not putting a title on the teaser was a genius idea, and someone deserves a promotion for that one touch. I think that, more than anything, got people buzzing. People seem intrigued at the idea of a whole film being shot like that, and that’s pretty much what you’ll get. The film starts with a rescue crew cleaning up after the entire incident, and one of them finds a camera. They rewind the tape, press play... and the playback is the movie that unfolds. I promise... we’ll keep you updated as more things break on this one, but for now, I think people are actually overanalyzing and they’re starting to invent things, create sites to support their crazy theories, and it’s all turning into such an overwhelming sound that it’s going to start to turn some people off. Me? I’m excited and intrigued, and I look forward to learning more about the film as it develops.

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  • July 15, 2007, 6:38 a.m. CST

    FIRSTTTTTTT

    by tnt23789

    cant wait for this movie. sounds interesting

  • July 15, 2007, 6:38 a.m. CST

    First??!

    by Kragmose

    If so, great succes

  • July 15, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    DAMN IT!!

    by Kragmose

    Thar must be a curse upon me.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    sorry kragmose

    by tnt23789

    sorrry mate.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Now,

    by Kragmose

    Let's keep things civilzed, shall we? We benefit the most from peacefully discussing the facts and vaguely touching the rumors.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    tnt23789...

    by Kragmose

    You are hereby forgiven.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    First?

    by KillianXX

    thats my conspiracy lol

  • July 15, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Geek Ritalin

    by dr sauch

    I wonder if the people Moriarity refers to (ITS GODZILLA! ITS VOLTRON! ITS T3H MOTHRA LOLZ!) actually read and internalise these type of AICN stories and actually relax. Sometimes I think they just see the title of the article and post whatever blows through their mind.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    "Me? I’m excited and intrigued, and..."

    by newc0253

    apparently more than a little pissed that you aren't getting the credit you deserve for breaking the story, heh.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Sort Of, Mode...

    by drew mcweeny

    I do feel bad that we pantsed JJ just before he was able to release the trailer, and if I'd known how much it was all going to be played as a secret, I would have done it differently. <P>But I did break the story, and especially when people love to say, "Oh, you never scoop anything anymore," it's important to credit us for the work we do. We broke this story, and it's turned into perhaps the biggest story in movie news for the last few weeks. I'd like it if people didn't just boost our work and take the credit for it.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Never Mind the Hype!!!

    by pobrien31

    I know most of us have watched the trailer frame by frame and picked out what is appearing on the 'net, but has anyone noticed the magical lampost??? Watch the trailer again! as they come running down the stairs and into the street and the mayhem, check the building opposite!!! There is an arched window, boarded up I think with some grafitti. No check the kerb as the guy moves to the left of the frame. There is a base of a lampost but no lampost!!! The camera then pans up the street and then eventually pans back. Hey Presto, the lampost appears!!! It eventually get bowled over by the Libert head!!! Why go to all that trouble??? Any thoughts? Regards, Howard Phillips

  • July 15, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to miss this

    by Drunken Rage

    That says it all, really.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Pobrien...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... because the lamppost wasn't really there. It's CG, and when the head takes it out, you're looking at an effect. Maybe by pointing it out, though, you can make sure an animator fills it in during the first part of the shot so the continuity works.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    OMG, I totally know what it is. I'm totally serial.

    by andrewdoane

    It's Manbearpig! I'm totally serial! Guys, come on, I'm totally serial! Manbearpig loves to destroy statues, especially ones of liberty. Nobody thinks I'm serial but I'm totally serial.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    dr sauch

    by Kragmose

    Exactly. Too often silly opinions are set forth without actually reading the material. I soo hope people fully red this one, cause its wise words from Mori. People could learn a lot from this sum-up and we could avoid some annoying Voltron/Lion claims..

  • July 15, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams flashback storytelling fetish....

    by Brother Desmond

    If Moriarty is right about the video camera being played as the start of the movie, then I'm starting to wonder if Abrams only likes to tell stories this way. Alias many times, Mission Impossible, Lost flashbacks....the guy has a thing for storytelling in reverse.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Also

    by pobrien31

    What's with the white circle on the back of the guys shirt as he running away?? Regards, Tall chap for devil-worship

  • July 15, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    andrewdoane

    by Kragmose

    Are you serial?? Serially?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    And

    by pobrien31

    The letters on the back of the sign on the lampost as the Liberty head comes to a stop. Regards, Disapproval for which tell

  • July 15, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    No old ones... : (

    by Mace Tofu

    So it's an evil SLURM Type of monster that you drink too much of?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Hmm. So it IS the Blair Witch monster-mash?

    by Zardoz

    Still, could be very cool. I'm interested...

  • July 15, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    So what the hell was TheParastite.com?????

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    It said Cloverfield in the top corner, but linked to a tossing game site. Explain more!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    It Was...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... a hastily-put-together site owned by someone with no connection to the film. They took the fact that we reported the nickname "The Parasite," and they turned it into a site that they knew would get traffic so they could pimp that game site.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST

    no old ones... how about Yonug Ones then...?

    by PROF IKAMONO

    imagine Vivian, Rick, Neil, and Mike rampaging through New York in an Omnibus driven by the never-aging Sir Cliff Richard.... <p> ...it plunges the soul into an abyss of madness beyond Cthulhu's wildest dreams...

  • July 15, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Yonug... damn. Young Ones, I meants Young Ones...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... damn typo right where it fucks up the whole post ...

  • July 15, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    I hear ya Mori. I had a bit of overhype m'self when I saw the 1-18-08 trailer here on youtube. However, (and this is preemptive on my part I know) this doesn't apply to Peter Jackson for JLA! for: a) It hasn't happened yet *knocks wood* and: b) The only one hyping this is me. Sorry to segway a little but I really, really, REALLY want a Peter Jackson JLA and I know Hollywood talks to you guys. Peter Jackson for JLA!

  • July 15, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    RUMOR CONTROL! Let's talk about the body in the trunk..

    by tonagan

    It was there when I bought the car, I swear.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    What is the fuss about?

    by erkojock

    Personally i thought the teaser was LAME!!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    So, 1-18-08...

    by UltimaRex

    Is it going to be called 18-1-08 here in blighty?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Disappointment

    by Alientoast

    Many people will be "let down" by the film regardless, purely because they are already projecting what they enjoy onto the film. This happens with virtually any teaser, and this is part of the reason teasers can work very effectively: They're like a carnival sideshow...they give you a glimpse of something amazing, something that can trigger the imagination, in an effort to get you to possibly plunk down that $5. We project our hopes onto that glimpse, and we give it a life that we ourselves create. When it doesn't match up to our expectations, we can either be pleasantly surprised or horribly turned off.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    The movie's called "All Questions, No Answers"

    by FilmCritic3000

    Oh wait, that's the title for almost everything JJ Abrams does.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    As long as we actually SEE the monster...

    by Psyclops

    ..and not just people reacting to the devastation I'll be happy. The trailer certainly did it's job and I'm eager to see what this movie has to offer once it's released. I'm up for a good creature feature any day of the week!

  • July 15, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Mori, you know my views. lol

    by SteffanLongdon

    AKA VAMP@AICN CHAT

  • July 15, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Haha, Lost Season 4 Promo?...

    by DanielKurland

    I actually think I might have liked that idea.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST

    I still think the monster is a GIANT SPIDER.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Abrams is directing and he wrote that abomination of a "script" for Superman V.... which is the land of Jon Peters... who loves him some GIANT SPIDERS!

  • July 15, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    ...some of us were not saying "it's Godzilla" ...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...nor "It's Cthulhu", but were merely noting that the thematic "flavour" if you will, of the trailer is Kaiju... and that of the slusho.jp website is Lovecraftian... <p> ...thus some of us feel that although it is a given that the film WON'T FEATURE GODZILLA NOR CTHULHU NOR ANY ESTABLISHED CHARACTER... <p> it still is likely to be informed by both the Godzilla films and the Cthulhu Mythos in a generic way... <p> This simple concept seems very difficult for some to grasp... so let me try to give another example... <p> Gorgo (1961) NOT GODZILLA!!! Different beast, different country, different raison detre, different GENDER! But still clearly INFORMED by Godzilla - Father of all Kaiju genre. <p> Likewise, consider Alien (1979) different time, different planet, no ocean, no New England decay, no Necronomicon, no mad arabs, nothing normally associated with HPL ... and yet long considered by genre scholars from Stephen King to S.T. Joshi as "Lovecraftian" <p> ...so unless you know otherwise Mori - as in you know for a fact: 1. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT FEATURE A GIANT MONSTER RAMPAGING THROUGH THE CITY, 2. THAT THIS FILM DOES NOT HAVE AN OVERIDING THEMATIC FEELING OF UNSPEAKABLE COSMIC EVIL AND IMPENDING DOOM, both of which seem to be self-evident in the trailer and websites, then please give those of us exploring these themes a break... <p> We do not belong in the same category as the guy who STILL insists that this ABSOLUTELY IS the Voltron movie in utter defiance of all logic, reason, or evidence to the contrary...

  • July 15, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Ahh, so it was Kirk Montgomery that was lion...

    by henrydalton

    ...see what I did there?

  • July 15, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Moriarty!

    by lost.rules

    Let's not forget the clusterfuck situation with the Lost season finale. I'm surprised J.J. tells you guys anything.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Lets control the hype factor, guys!

    by Underdogthe3rd

    Remember? Rimbaldi (ALIAS) = turn out to be nothing really important. And it WAS. For four seasons, nothing less!!! Brazilians in a bunker at the last scene in season 2 (LOST)= never returned. Don't get me started: four toe statue, smoke monster, why Juliet fights like a pro, etc, etc... My point: He's great BUT JJ loves to put a great mystery and than... he: a) Forget. b) Give up. c) Never had the intention of solving it. So, thats my theory and advice. Nothing in that GREAT teaser will matter.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    what a load of crap

    by themidnighter23

    I was really hoping to get more info about the film but all we got was a long winded whine about how harry was first. grow the fuck up

  • July 15, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Underdog

    by Zarles

    Your 'theory and advice' sucks. Just because you haven't gotten your shiny red button pushed by the LOST people in the ways that you want them to isn't a reason to bitch about this. Alias only fell apart at the end because LOST started up.

  • July 15, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    ToddBoddy...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...that is cheap shot... <p> but perhaps you should notice I use King as one extreme - and Joshi as another... <p> ...also despite personal problems and misfortune, King does know *something* about horror genres ...read Danse Macabre for example.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    ZetaTalk talks about Giant Monsters

    by TheBloop

    That they come from Planter X. Maybe it Ghidora, the tree headed monster. Please visit zetatalk.com for more info.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Whole film thru a camcorder???

    by Binkysguy

    Ugh...count me out, fellas. Blair Witch was irritating enough. This will be the same.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    RELEASE DATE IS CRAP

    by legendofnatman

    Personally, I could hardly care about the story. It's a monster destroying New York, shot handheld. There's no twist on that core idea that can make me more interested in this premise. Yes, it was a very interesting trailer, but all this speculation is making me crazy. Why? It's a monster movie being released January 18, 2008? Did anyone forget about that little fact? It's the damn temporary title, after all. As of now, I have no faith in a monster movie the studio has decided to release along with the rest of degenerate waste that call January home.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    you guys should be careful about not overcovering this

    by oscarmike

    you just keep posting news after pointless news that reveals nothing. it's going to get to a point where people will get fed up of all the hush hush bullshit and want to see something, and if they don't get that, then whatever interest and hype surrounding the movie will be gone. "Snakes on a Plane" had similar buzz it fizzled way before the movie came out. just be careful AICN

  • July 15, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I helped the cause

    by decypher44

    So, I both emailed AND posted under that news column: "You guys need to remove any and all mention of "exclusive" regarding news of Cloverfeild. AICN.com broke it weeks ago and fans have been on top of it since then. Slusho.jp and 1-18-08.com are only two of MANY sites we have been visiting for clues for quite some time."

  • July 15, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Internet Hype

    by JaggedSac

    As you guys should well know, the Internet hype accounts for a very small portion of the audience(Snakes On A Plane anyone?).

  • July 15, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    "Me Moriarty. Me Know everything."

    by Charlie Murphy

    that's all it got out of those first three or four paragraphs. "Rumor control, bitches. Here's what we know about cloverfield, and you all have me to thank! Now, kneel, bitch and suck my cock."

  • July 15, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Are you going to talk about 1-18-08?

    by crackerfarmboy

    Or are you just going to continue to verbal masturbate yourself?

  • July 15, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Blair Monster Project?

    by DontCallMePunchy

    So it's basically the Blair Witch Project but with a monster... no thanks.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Seriously? People will be let down?

    by magic_ninja

    Anyone that thought this movie was going to be a new Godzilla movie or a fucking Voltron movie is a goddamn retard. Seriously.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Shakey cam point of view...

    by Sappers Forward

    I'm a big fan of movies like this...do we really know what it's about? No. But a lot of shit is being fucked up and that's always a good thing. However, like it Blair Witch, I hate the shakey cam point of view. That's a real turn off for me. My $400 Sony handy cam has a great "Steady Shot" mode that virtually eliminates all the shakes. What the fuck is their excuse?

  • July 15, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    This thread sucks already.

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Fuck it. I liked the other one better.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Why is the trailer ONLY with TRANSFORMERS?

    by OmniPresident

    Any theories?

  • July 15, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Slusho.jp

    by Zath_ras

    Slusho Happy! What the fuck?

  • July 15, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I just saw the sun rise!

    by lost.rules

    You heard it here first. Make sure I get the credit when you all report it later.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    omnipresident

    by Charlie Murphy

    probably so the most people possible would see it. and because the release date is so far off, i guess they don't want to over hype it.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Chrono Trigger!

    by Liar.Liar

    I like what some other person said in the other thread about the explosion being Lavos. Fuck yeah. Shooting his spikes into the air and blowing shit up. Epic movie.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    and lost.rules...

    by Charlie Murphy

    you're funny. i like that.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    They should do Transformers 2 with a hand held

    by lost.rules

    Maybe the action scenes will make more sense that way.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    3 photos on official site.

    by ValerieCherish

    How long has the third one been there.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Fanboys, like myself, have only 2 schools of thought.

    by lost.rules

    HYPE MODE: Aw, man. That is going to be awesome! Can't wait for that to come out! <p> BITCH MODE: Aw, man. That sucked! I can't believe they screwed that up. <p> We are currently in HYPE MODE.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    !!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!

    by infosys

    I was first to post this movie will suck bad

  • July 15, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    David Carradine is the Gunslinger...

    by captainCAPSLOCK

    since you mentioned The Dark Tower.<p> You heard it here first.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    CHECK THIS OUT

    by MasterExploder

    slushozoom.com

  • July 15, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Staypuff Marshmallow Man's back and out for revenge

    by aboriginal

    Godzilla v. Marshmallow in NYC

  • July 15, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Somebody get Mori a tissue

    by gambit88

    and call a Whaaaambulance.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Dark tower

    by emeraldboy

    that was actually mentioned in empire's star wars 30th anniversary coverage. it was all in a piece to do with Stephen King.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Now I know why it's playing ONLY with TRANSFORMERS

    by OmniPresident

    There both Paramount films

  • July 15, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    not only are there 3 pics...

    by Holodigm

    none of them is rotating any more

  • July 15, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    to the quote the wolf

    by van_line

    "Well, let's not start sucking each other's dick's quite yet." kinda ballsy to call others out when AICN swiped a lot of stuff and not credit it (to the original source)back in the day?

  • July 15, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Probien's Pole

    by Anschutz

    There are two separate poles that you are comparing. At about 1:29 you can see both poles in the frame at once. The shorter one is in front of the square window, the taller light pole is to the right of it in front of the window with the arch over it and has a One Way sign on it that you see on the pole that gets bowled over by the head.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    180108 is actually a teaser for Watchmen

    by newc0253

    chthuloid alien horror destroys new york? think about it.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    What a waste of time...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the hype around that mediocre trailer has inspired.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Remake of The Host?

    by pjoreilly_

    It seems possible, the monster was a parasite in the original....and the handheld camera would really work with this if it followed anywhere near the same story as the original

  • July 15, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Naw, I recant my previous theories, I'm now sure...

    by The Dum Guy

    That this is the Dark Tower, and the fact everyone from King to Abrams denying that it is, proves that it is...<br><br>Well, seriously, I'm just wondering two things now: 1. What the hell is the monster supposed to be (I know this is the one thing everyone wants to know). 2. What kind of half-assed monster leaves survivors to clean up? Honestly, now we know this aint no Armeggedon type situation, b/c there are survivors.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    MYSPACE

    by OmniPresident

    This is not my MYSPACE but someones. http://www.myspace.com/he_arrives_011808

  • July 15, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Mori...in the words of Artie...WAAAAAAAAAH

    by guyincognito27

    Seriously though...Mori get over yourself. So WHAT if you reported this stuff? WHo cares? You were one of many cogs in the machine orchestrated by the Paramount marketing department to get the ball rolling on this 1-18-08 stuff. Do you think you deserve the Pulitzer for reporting this? You were just a tool for the studio to get the word out to the masses...you really didnt REPORT anything other than the fact that you seem to want the world to know that you knew about 1-18-08 before the rest of the world. Get over yourself. BTW-we watched your masters of horror episode "Pro Life" we thought it was hilarious (thats not a good thing)

  • July 15, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    DumGuy

    by GreenGeezer

    the only thing I find disconcerting about your theory is there is no 19 reference, no Ka reference, and if this is one of the things from todash space, the great old ones (not c'thonic, but those that did themselves in before the world moved on) have REALLY fucked up with a couple doors. At least it wasnt the Dixie Pig going up....

  • July 15, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    MYSPACE 2

    by OmniPresident

    www.myspace.com/1000693995

  • July 15, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Anschutz, Compare the time

    by pobrien31

    Anschutz, Compare the time frames at 1:19 and 1:29 - no pole, pole!!! I couldn't really care less, but in this day and age you'd think they would be a tad better at this sort of thing by now!!! Regards, Overshadow Flip Thrill Cap

  • July 15, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Okay....what we know

    by GreenGeezer

    Anyone want to start with the facts as we know them, and as Mori has laid them out. Lets get investigating...AGAIN!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Who cares - I want Trek rumors!!!!!

    by picardsucks

    Get Shatner in the movie and who is playing young Captain Kirk??

  • July 15, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Yeah people talked about it

    by jimmy_009

    because they are predictable dumb asses. They had to resort to gimmicks because, let's face it, the trailer sucked and wouldn't have gotten anyone excited otherwise.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    So what if Mori wants a little credit?

    by DarthTarter

    Say you are at work, whatever it may be you do, and you bust your ass all day long. Then at the end of the day a guy who has done *nothing* jumps in front of you when the boss shows up and takes credit for all your work. Everyone would be fucking pissed and you know it. This cockhair claimed that HE was the exclusive source, that is what made it wrong and why it irked Mori so much. I can dig that.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I'm sure this has been mentioned...

    by rogmel

    but is it possible that "1-18-08" is the title, and not the release date?

  • July 15, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Rumor control, these are the facts

    by GreenGeezer

    From Mori: Its an original property. not C'thulu, not Voltron..nothing we've "seen", except perhaps thematically. We know from the trailer: -Rob is moving to japan. -the line "I saw it, its alive, its HUGE!" is important. -Folk wear slusho t-shirts. -the monster moans/roars, also indicated to be of import. -the statue of liberty or a reasonable mock there of has been tossed/hit into the street, hitting the 401 broadway site. from the Pics: -The are not the same girl. -Dude feeding rob a drink wears a slusho shirt. -the yellow girl is freaky -its not the devil, its hair and light. -the blast light is far to bright to see SHIT. From Slusho.jp: -The history section is important, and adds a kaiju/lovecraftian flavor. -The duck is flying in a rainbow balloon. -the horse thinks of a blue oven mit, the fish of swiss cheese. -most of the site will be updated -there are 4 full cups at the bottom, 13 empty ones. -the japanese at the bottom is a variation on the slogan "you can't drink just 6" -otherwise, not much more so far. Hit me if I missed anything.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    K, guys: J.J. Abrams is not running Lost

    by Eaglet1138

    I'm seeing people in here attacking J.J. for what they see as problems with the series 'Lost,' which he co-created. But let's be clear.<p> J.J. Abrams is way too busy with other projects (M:I-III, Star Trek, Cloverfield, What About Brian, Six Degrees, The Office) to have more than a passing interest in Lost at this point.<p> He directed and wrote the pilot, and yes, he and Damon Lindelof CREATED the show. They set up the concept of the monster, and the mystery of the Island, and who the people on the Island are, and set the series into motion.<p> But anything that has happened since then can ONLY be credited to (and against) the one-two punch of Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. They are the ones running the show at this point. If you have a problem with the guys in the bunker at the end of season 2 (which, they will be coming back, just wait), you have to blame Darlton for it. If you thought the third season finale was brilliant, it's because of Darlton.<p> Again. J.J. Abrams CO-CREATED 'Lost,' but he is not involved in the day-to-day decision making on the show at this point, because he is working on other projects.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    oh not again

    by GreenGeezer

    MRX67...do we need to repost from the other thread? you've already admitted that theres more than ample theory, rather than fact in your supposition, so you can't say you've only reported based on fact...and Voltron has been severly debunked (although, I'm still looking forward to THAT when it hits)

  • July 15, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    This thing will never live up to the hype its caused...

    by sith-vol

    and while you can blame all the bloggers, talkbackers and internet webmasters for all the build up over that vague-assed trailer, the blame for getting the ball rolling sits firmly on the shoulders of Abrams himself. He got exactly what he wanted; word of mouth and a fervor of excitement about doing exactly what he does on LOST, show absolutely nothing and then appear to be sooo clever.<br> This thing will be a turd. Why else release it in the dead of hollywood's graveyard? And don't give me the whole "he's breaking with the norm because he's a genius bullshit either."<br> Abrams has made a career out of giving cryptic prmises and then standing back when his final product doesn't deliver and saying; "Well, you guys let your imaginations run wild and if you'd have only thought about the clues I gave you, you would have seen it was a pile off shit....not my fault."<br> This thing will be crap...and somehow, we talkbackers will be to blame for that as our imaginations have "run wild" again.<br> And before this post runs to mammoth proportions I wills close by saying that if I were Abrams, I would have kept the Ethan Haas site linked to my movie, because the game Alpha Omega sounds ten times as good as anything he could come up with. Oh...and he is going to put the last nail in the Star Trek franchise too.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Oh and another thing....

    by sith-vol

    viral advertising is ok to a point, like what they are doing with The Dark Knight, but this stuff reeks of self-absorbed pretentious bullshit to me.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    a lack

    by GreenGeezer

    of evidence, or silence from the suspect does not indicate guilt and/or complicity. Come on man, I thought you were a detective.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    IMDB

    by CrazySlasher

    There's someone over at IMDB who said the same thing about the camera being picked up during the clean up. He also has a lot more to say about it than AICN.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    The movies name is Bad Robot????

    by johnny rocket7

    This is what I heard behind me from Mr. and Mrs Middle America when I saw the trailer in the theater. Not naming it got great buzz on line but I was left to wonder how many people (who have no idea who JJ Abrams is) are now walking around thinking a movie called Bad Robot is coming out in January...

  • July 15, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    themidnighter23

    by jfp2007

    No, you grow the fuck up.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GreenGeezer

    No can do on showing you a site with any info on voltron, sorry...your welcome to your opinions, and your beliefs, (and I think we can both agree...voltron may kick a great deal of posterior)..but stating the suppositions based on the Slusho.jp website, and a lack of any other information doesn't make this a lock that it's voltron. The Dark Tower was in development hell as early as 87 (or there abouts, read about it as listed in a licencing list in an ANCIENT Starlog magazine), and sat in tristars dev hell for years until now, but that didn't make things with similar thematics concurrently ABOUT the dark tower.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    But, I'll

    by GreenGeezer

    drop the subject for now, and deal with your insistance...however, we need to get together in person (or telepresent) after the release of one OR the other and have a laugh about this.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    and a beer.

    by GreenGeezer

    sound like a plan?

  • July 15, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    mmmm

    by GreenGeezer

    crow....tasty.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Please do this thread a favor and pot your Voltron theories in their entirety here, so people here don't have to go through 2000+ posts to find them. Also...what happens when this comes out and it isn't Voltron? Are we going to have to put you on suicide watch? And at what point will you admit it isn't? When you actually see the movie and it isn't Voltron, will you admit it isn't Voltron or will you think JJ is still just fucking with everyone and shot an entire fake movie just to throw everyone off the scent of his actual Voltron project?

  • July 15, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Alright, Alright, General

    by GreenGeezer

    he's welcome to his opinions, just as are we all..again, my only issue is stateing them as established fact. I'll admit, it can skew the thread a bit, but lets try and face it with a bit more stoicism.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    You just played right into MRX67's hands with your math, sir. You see, the movie DOES cost 150 million...it's 30 million PER LION. We heard 30 million. There are five lions in Voltron. 30 x 5 is 150. Transformers cost 150 million. This trailer played in front of Transformers...and ONLY Transformers. Thus, this is Voltron.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The truth about all this is...

    by Bronx Cheer

    that there was no "Cloverfield" film. This has all been an elaborate market research study to test the effectiveness of viral marketing, and to see how quickly fanboys can twist things completely out of shape. Now The Suits know.</p> <p>As a reward, however, they've decided to go ahead and make the movie, because you've all been so eager and energetic.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    WE know

    by GreenGeezer

    that Voltron has by and large been debunked (if only by mori, and lack of evidence.)....and we know that half of the budgette is devoted towards speacial effects (via new report), but thats an ASS TON of modeling, texturing, animation, and integration for a REALLY low budgette.....the only reason I can state authority on this is that I do 3d modeling, and animation (to some extent), and nominally a production company doing CGI work on the scale and grandeur of voltron would have quite a bit more on the table in the way of funds for ALL that work....its never as easy as it seems.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    GreenGeezer

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    MRX67 CANNOT be serious at this point. He just CAN'T. If he is...man, I don't even know. But he can't be, so I refuse to treat that like a serious opinion/theory. He has to be keeping this going as a joke. I just can't wrap my brain around any other explanation. Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at what point do you just have to throw your hands up? I mean, I'm entitled to my opinion, but what if my opinion is that today is Thursday and this is 2002? Sometimes opinions are just wrong...and absurd.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Man, there is NO WAY you're serious. I just can't believe it. Yesterday you had me going, but today I'm just not buying it. But keep going, because I admire the fact that you're sticking to your guns for the sake of comedy. But I'm onto you, brutha. No way are you serious.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    faith breeds form

    by GreenGeezer

    until proven otherwise, and I have thrown my hands up at this point, determined to laugh (sometimes to tears, and not good tears) on the theories and machinations of the faithfull...as long as that faith and belief don't lead to a bombbelt, folk believe in far stranger things.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    RUMER CONTROL! Let's talk about Bruce's parenting style

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Or not.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    possibly, possibly not

    by GreenGeezer

    but its the figure we have to go off of, hell...if they're paying attention to these threads at all, I'm sure the budgette is going up like a bloody gas pump ticker. They need to be carefull if thats the case though...this shit could (and I thinkin some cases has) lead to backlash if taken to far. Lets get hunting for the clues. Come on gang, we got a mystery to solve. (ps: I'd really love to do it before an update, or some other site gets it)

  • July 15, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    GreenGeezer

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    That they do. But MRX67 doesn't really believe it's Voltron at this point. Honestly, he's obviously a movie fan or he wouldn't frequent this site...I think that's a pretty safe assumption. So he has to know that at this point, if this IS a Voltron movie and actually costs much more than 30 million, no studio exec would EVER deny that a movie that expensive was in the works. Studio execs don't play around with that kind of money and go..."You know, we COULD advertise the hell out of this and let people know our 150 million Voltron movie is coming out in 6 months, but maybe we'll get better returns if we just deny that we have anything to do with Voltron until the day it actually comes out? People like surprises, right?" No studio exec thinks like that where 150 million is concerned. That's a lotta dimp. When Voltron is actually coming, they will start to hype the shit out of it. Period. MRX67 is kidding.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Its a fair point

    by GreenGeezer

    I'm taking it as flat earth theory at this point (no offence MRX).

  • July 15, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Slusho website is up..

    by torpor_haze

    http://www.slusho.jp/

  • July 15, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    About the budget...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I posted this about 1500 posts ago on the other thread, so here it is again...and anyone on this site who works in the movie biz can back me up on this: If this movie is going to be shot entirely in the "home video" style of the trailer, then the equipment is probably just high-end mini-dv or affordable dv...something like the Canon XL1S (or whatever the current equivalent is...I'm a little out of the loop); the kind of equipment that a good, professional videographer would use to film weddings, etc. You could buy ten of those cameras for $100,000. It also has no big-name stars, no big-name writers, and no big-name director. Even if they are shooting everything on location and have to pay taxes, buy permits, etc., you could probably shoot all the live action footage for this movie, pay the cast and crew, etc., and advertise this movie for under 10 million. Because, let's face it: You don't need a 50 million dolar ad campaign for a movie that only costs 30 million, since it won't have as much trouble turning a profit as a big-bidget epic because it was SO CHEAP TO MAKE. Word of mouth can make this film VERY profitable if it is good. So that leaves 20 million for CGI and physical effects. You don't think that's a lot? Go ask Roger Corman or Lloyd Kaufmann how far they could stretch 20 million. Shit, ask BadMrWonka...he's about to shoot a feature for $200,000.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Not to mention the fact that

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    JJ is a tv producer, so he knows how to stretch a dollar...as ALL tv producers do...

  • July 15, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Remake

    by Macca10

    I'm still going with it being a remake of "The Host".

  • July 15, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Not Godzilla, but

    by Captain Atom

    Almost everything leaked points to a new monster, but almost all the clues point to a Godzilla like kaiju. The fire/explosion (most non-japanese giant monsters have no blast attack), the whale talk at slusho (Gojira= gorilla whale, the frozen at tremendous depths at slusho, and all the Japan references in general. Heck, the original US poster for Godzilla, KotM displays "It's Alive" prominently. http://tinyurl.com/292rqo So it's a new monster, but Abrams is trying to point out how much it is like Godzilla, I guess.

  • July 15, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    MATTHEW BRODERICK KILLED GODZILLA!!

    by jackson healy

    So, how bad can Godzilla be?

  • July 15, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    It's not a giant witch, it's a giant bitch.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    And that's the true surprise - it's actually a political thriller about Hillary Clinton.

  • July 15, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Fan Board for 01-18-08 Fans

    by cloverfield2008

    Fan Board for 01-18-08 Fans http://www.jjabrams.net

  • July 15, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Blah blah blah.

    by s00p3rm4n

    I can't stand J.J. Abrams. But I certainly respect that he wants to use trailers as a means of drawing people to the movie theater without ruining every goddamn good scene in the flick.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    mrx67

    by rdsxfan8

    hey do you work for the company that makes voltron toys or soemthing??? either that or you have a shit load of them at your house and your hopign so vehemently that this is a voltron movie so you can sit there on ebay or craigslist and get top $$ for first run voltron toys or something..... in the immortal words of the big lebowski "its over sir, the bums lost....." this IS NOT A VOLTRON MOVIE

  • July 15, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    If the sound it makes

    by TheBlackKnight

    is a clue, then perhaps it's the tone and reverberation? The first groan noise during "Woman" sounds almost like a whale (not that it is), but could be coming from the water. It at least seems like a sound felt through the transfer of solid (underground) or liquid (ocean) matter. The earthquake could be the ground opening up to let this thing out. If it was the impact from something landing, it seems to me like there would already be a fiery mass somewhere. Then again we don't know if that explosion was the first bit of destruction anyway.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Great Disney World analogy, Moriarty

    by slone13

    It's one of the major things that separates the Disney parks from the Six Flags and such. Totally immersing you into their world. And so effective at it.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    NOT a remake of THE HOST

    by The Inspector

    THE HOST is still only in development with Gold Circle and Vertigo producing. Neither Paramount, Abrams or Bad Robot are involved with the (re)making of that film.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Morons gotta eat

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    Just look at the continuing level of stupidity of some of the posts here. Although the Voltron stuff is about as entertaining as you can get 'round these parts.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo, you're off base.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Just because they are shooting in home video style doesn't mean they are using shit equipment. Case in point: Cloverfield recently was seen with the most expensive high-end HD camera available from a certain camera manufacturer.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    TheBlackKnight, Manhattan is an island.

    by Bronx Cheer

    It stands to reason, then, that the creature probably can swim. Duh.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    The worst thing I've heard so far...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...is Mori saying that all the footage is from ONE camera, found in the wreckage by a clean-up crew from later. Nothing else I've read to this point makes me fear more that this is just a novelty riff Abrams got the idea for while he was watching The Host, which let's face it, folks, is only HALF a good movie. Yeah, the first act or so was pretty great, but by the end it had been a spent force for more than thirty minutes. Now GreenGeezer or GJC can try to cheer me up with an idea that watching the tape makes the viewer understand that this was just the first time, and that "little whales" are the future, and maybe that kind of thing could bring it closer back to all right. Still, the most disturbing thing I've heard so far. (Although once again kind of Lovecraftian, though updated. About half the stories he wrote involved someone finding a dead guy's notes, diary or something).

  • July 15, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    It's Gorgo's mom. Obviously. Looking for baby.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Roar.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Disneyland? hmmmmm

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...Mori at Disneyland, but not at Magic Kingdom at WDW, there was ride called Story Book Land... <p> ...you would ride on boats through beautifully landscaped miniatures of places from Disney's animated features... <p> ... the ride began by your boat going into the huge slavering jaws of Monstro the whale... hmmmmm

  • July 15, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I was just on IMDB

    by emeraldboy

    The real name of this movie is called the Parasite and has nothing to do with another film parasite which is currently filming. as you will see. A giant monster movie currently referred to as Cloverfield, revolving around a group of people using a home video camera to record their experience of an attack from the monster, "The Parasite" (not to be confused with the film project The Parasyte) in New York City.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by Red Ned Lynch

    If you're going to go for bad prehistoric monster please go all the way bad. Reptilicus! Man Gorgo was a Saturday afternoon staple back in the day, though. I must have seen it thirty times between the ages about five and twelve.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Bronx

    by TheBlackKnight

    I'm just talking about the origin of where it came from. We don't come from the water, but we can swim. Did it crawl out of a hole in Manhattan? It sure as hell didn't sneak up on Manhattan from somewhere else on land to wait and make it's first noise there. OR it swam in from the sea and made first land contact in Manhattan. Or it's totally magical and appeared out of the sky. I'm just trying to get speculation going. This talkback has become "It's not Voltron!"

  • July 15, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    OR

    by TheBlackKnight

    Are we just going to wait now?

  • July 15, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    It's.... It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man

    by canvasseamonkey

    or maybe robotic Richard Simmons

  • July 15, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    JJ Abrams has chosen HD-DVD, here's why...

    by Johnno

    So you can rewind your memory back to when Toshiba announced it despite the jauggernaut called Blu-Ray rising from the waters to raise all hell on the mainland when it unleashed its fury and might, and now you can now follow Toshiba's format's story to it's enivitable tragic and stupid end.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Moriarty...

    by Transmetropolitan

    You always sum everything up with such genius subtlety and rationality. This project...that trailer... is the first to peak my interest as strongly as Grindhouse. Awesome stuff. Sorry to hear some asshole was screwing with you Mori. We all knew you revealed the story. Fucking tools not giving credit where credit is due... such bullshit.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Didn't know that...where did that info come from out of curiosity? The kind of equipment I'm talking about has been used to shoot features before, btw, by people like Soderbergh. I wouldn't call it crap...it's not like the camcorder I bought at Best Buy or anything. Even if they are using more expensive equipment, you can shoot a beautiful-looking film for under 10 million (look at Bound and Memento...both cost less than 10 million). The point I was trying to make is that a lot of people are calling the 30 million dollar budget into question, and I think you could show A LOT of monster for that kind of money, given the "ant's-eye view" perspective that the movie seems to be using.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    "giving credit where credit is due"

    by Underdogthe3rd

    If I receive a dollar everytime I read this at AICN talbacks... You guys have a real self steam problem.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Also, I realize that both films I sited were set-bound, so look at tv shows that shoot on location in NYC or lA...Sex & The City or Entourage, for example. I'm sure each episode of those shows didn't have a budget of more than 1 million. You could shoot a feature on location for under 10 million and still have a lot of that 30 mil left for sfx.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    hahahah hardly

    by rdsxfan8

    I am more than man to admit my mistakes if it is in fact a voltron movie, but its pretty much been made obvious to everyone but you MRX67 that it isnt. your like a modern day version of the guy who thought the earth was flat even though 99.9% of the rest of the population knows it not to be true. but hey good luck to you and your grand thoughts and ideas. its a free world think what ya want, but dont say you werent warned when the backlash hits once it turns out not to be what you think and believe it to be.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    I have to agree with Mori...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    How many times, in the past few years, have scores and scores of people complained that a new trailer has given away the whole movie? This trailer is a classic teaser trailer. It has plenty of set-up, but it does a very smart thing and has no image at all of whatever is attacking Manhattan. <p> At the very least, I'm looking forward to finding out something more about this film; and as it stands right now (based on the teaser) I'm looking forward to seeing it. <p> It's a great trailer. Hopefully it will be an entertaining movie.

  • July 15, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    ANTSYPANTSY

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I'm not sure who you're referring to, but do you really think that it's impossible for anyone on this board to have any idea about what it takes to make a movie...cost or otherwise? I used to work for an indie producer--Edward R. Pressman, to be specific--and I'm sure that I'm not alone.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    ANTSYPANTSY

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    So you're calling me a liar, then? What point would there be in that, seeing as how I don't claim to work for him anymore? And I worked in the office--in the development department--for two guys: Zach Schiff-Abrams and Alessandro Camon...I never claimed to be a filmmaker myself. Go ahead and look them up. Finally, I have no problem with people refuting bullshit statements, and on this site there have been PLENTY, but on your blog you say: "Talk of this movie was spreading before AICN said a single word about it." I am willing to give that statement the benefit of the doubt, but can you prove it? You should post a link or site a reference when you are going after someone else's bad journalism/media coverage, if for no other reason than to show that you are more professional than them.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Voltron Suicide Hotline (a 1-act play by BadMrWonka)

    by BadMrWonka

    for MRX67.<p><p>Voltron Suicide Hotline: "hello?"<p>fan: "um hello, I think the 1-18-08 movie is Voltron.<p>VSH: "you are aware that Voltron is a separate movie by a separate studio?"<p>fan: "well, yes, but I think that's all a ploy!"<p>VSH: "and you're aware that Voltron is a kid's toy? and that any movie made about Voltron would have massive tie-ins with toys/fast food/etc.? something not conducive to a scary movie shot all with hand-held camcorders? not to mention that fact that people who obviously know more than you do at this point, such as Moriarty from AICN, have stated clearly and emphatically that there is NO CONNECTION between this film and Voltron?"<p>fan: "well, I choose to ignore all of that."<p>VSH: "um...OK, well do you actually have ANY reason whatsoever to believe this is Voltron?"<p>fan: "the IMDB page for Voltron hasn't been updated recently."<p>VSH: (long pause) "what?"<p>fan: "they haven't updated the page in a while! not to mention, here are some other cold hard FACTS!! on the Slush.jp site, one of the animals is dreaming of cheese. cheese comes from France! and France is one of the places that Voltron is going to stop at, according to the script leaked at mexicanscriptreviews.com!!"<p>VSH: "wait, cheese? what are you talking ab-<p>fan: "and, and, there's a horse! which is like a donkey! and donkeys are from mexico, and Voltron stops in mexico in the script!"<p>VSH: "you're kidding, right? you have to be joking..."<p>fan: "no, I'm totally serious."<p>VSH: "OK, I think we have all the information we need. and I am authorized at this time to tell you that you can go ahead and kill yourself. thank you for calling the Voltron Suicide Hotline."

  • July 15, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    ...on a previous TB's i linked to Calls for Cthulhu...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... videos on YouTube. <p> ... the videos have an 800 number to call in your questions (this is part of joke... it says previously recorded don't call) <p> ... the number is 1-800-SOL-EATR... <p> ... if anyone actually calls that... <p> ... it's PORN!!!! <p> ... a sex-line... <p> ha ha ha ha ha ha tentacle rape! ha ha ha ha

  • July 15, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    bad wonka

    by rdsxfan8

    ya know that shit had me rolling on the floor over here. and you should turn it into a movie. the best part about it is that once he does off himself there wouldnt be any chance of a sequel.... hahahahah unless of course we get the undead version of mrx67 which could be jsut as bad if not worse than the live version.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Damn you's Kirk Montgomery

    by supersize

    Your on my shit list pal

  • July 15, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Not enough mystery

    by Shaner Jedi

    in much of anything anymore. You have to do something that stands out in order to get attention and a trailer that raises more questions than it answers is precisely what was needed. Mori's comment about Disneyland and the buildup of anticipation got me thinking. Today, so much of marketing is about getting out in front of everyone else. In the process, we've taken away alot of the mystery behind films and other industries with "beat them over the head" marketing. Look at new cars. You can see the new models in Car and Driver 2 years before they're on sale. It used to be the dealers would have a "reveal" of new models. They'd cover the car with a sheet and people would come into the business just to see the unveiling. They'd create anticipation through mystery. Today we get so much upfront that by the time we get the real deal, we're jaded or spoiled on it. JJ is doing the right thing. Marketing folks from many industries should do this more often. Doesn't happen enough today.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    On a side-note...do you know that Mr. T has a fucking reality show? It's some kind of self-help show. I shit you not, the slogan in the print ads is "Because in every city, there's fools to pity". I'm not making this shit up.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    You have officially lost your mind.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    mrx67

    by rdsxfan8

    stay where you are, we're sending the men in the white coats with the butterfly nets right over.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    rdsxfan8

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    You know he's totally fucking around, right? I mean, he HAS to be...

  • July 15, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Good lord. So much hype and drama.

    by DarthCorleone

    Who cares? I'm intrigued by the hook, but I don't think it's worth all this hubbub. And I am wary of a monster movie shot from a handheld perspective. How much versatility is there going to be in that? Explosion. Camera jerks toward it. Building falls. Camera jerks toward it. Monster roars. Camera jerks toward it. I like Blair Witch a lot, but I think it works because it's quiet. It has a creeping, just offscreen dread. Maybe I'm underestimating the verisimilitude of this technique in something with more chaos. We'll see.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Couldn't care less.

    by Deathpool

    I might be in the minority, but I don't know, I'm just not feeling this whatsoever. Hope it turns out well though.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Ok, MRX67...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    How about this for a fact: I have the telephone number for The Mark Gordon Company. I'm not about to post it here, but I will e-mail it to you. Do you have a myspace account? If so, shoot me a message at www.myspace.com/generaljackcosmo - NO SPACES - and I will send you the number. Call them and tell them you are looking to license Voltron for something...make something up, detective...and see if they still have the rights to the movie. If you don't have a myspace, you can shoot me an e-mail at my shitty, under-construction web-site @ www.cosmo-verse.com

  • July 15, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    So the whole is told though Hand camera

    by Phategod1

    Color me unimpressed Sounds like something that Kid from On the Lot would do for free. Sorry but I'm not Interested in a war of worlds movie told Blair Witch style. Peace.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    The question is...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    ...when the folks at MGC say they still have the rights, are you going to believe them, or will you just think they are part of the conspiracy, too?

  • July 15, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I mean, COME ON...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    "Look at the beginning of the trailer....the attack came from the sky right?" I'm not so sure that it DID, but even if it did...the ONLY attack that could possbly come from the sky is Voltron-related? Even though none of the people associated with this film are associated with any of the people involved in the Voltron movie in any way? Dude, if you ARE serious, then you are falling victim to the very common phenomenon of seeing connections where you want to see connections...and listen, I WANT to see a good Voltron movie...but this is not that movie.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    At this point, I want it to be Voltron.

    by lost.rules

    Just so that guy will STFU!

  • July 15, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    lost.rules

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Do you honestly think that if it IS Voltron he will EVER stop taling about it?

  • July 15, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by BadMrWonka

    I hope you enjoyed my short play.<p>you are claiming that 2 separate movies are, somehow, the same movie.<p>don't you think that a claim as, um...unusual as that means that YOU Should be providing the facts? if I claim that my pet bunny can talk, I can't say, "well, prove it can't! show me some facts!" that is what you're doing, brother. unusual claims, that go against the common accepted norms, requires specific proof.<p>you are speculating. but the problem is, you treat your suppositions and speculations as fact, and when they are discounted, you ignore it. then when someone gives you ample evidence against your theories, you ignore that as well. then you take a break for a few hours, and pop right back in, going, "where are the facts?"<p>I still think it's 50/50 whether you're joking or not, but hell, I'm on a break from work, so I'll give this a shot:<p>here's how it will work. I'm going to write down a few things that I believe are evidence that the Voltron movie and the 1-18-08 movie are not the same movie. I will list them point by point, and I will number them. then you can use the corresponding numbers, and respond to each point, in turn. do you understand? no more vagueries, no more illogical ramblings. point. by. point. ok?<p>1. both films were developed separately. meaning the cast, producers, writers and directors, are not the same. do you believe that the magazine articles, IMDB.com pages, insider information, as well as information from this site, is all part of a vast conspiracy to hide the fact that they are, in fact, one movie? (answer clearly. start out with a yes or a no, and go from there)<p>2. this film, (even if you disbelieve the budget) is told from the viewpoint of a few survivors of a large attack. their camera is found, and someone watches the footage. does this sound like the Voltron script that you have read/heard about? (since you have used that same script in previous posts to "prove" your overall point, I would assume that if the script did not match up with what this film is going to be, it would be an inconsitency with your theory, right?)<p>3. Voltron is going to be a movie with natural toy tie-ins, just like Transformers. that was the point of the original series, and a huge part of the rationale for remaking it. do you honestly believe a studio would look at the success of a film like Transformers, both in scope/box office/toys/tie-ins/advertising connections, etc., and take what is an obscenely similar franchise potential, and make it with camcorders, during a dark night, for 1/5 of the budget? (again, clear, concise answers here)<p>4. your "facts" proving this movie is Voltron included mentions of the slusho.jp site, where you insisted that cheese = France, and horses = Mexico, and that somehow this equals Voltron. for these signals to be meaningful, the rest of the symbols would have to be significant as well. so please tell us how they all relate to the Voltron script.<p>5. please tell us what would be the percieved advantage to creating a situation where (as you admit) 99% of the people who watched the trailer, and are involved in searching for more clues, do not think this is Voltron. if it actually is, do you consider this campagin a failure? considering everyone over the age of 13 has been convinced by the overwhelming tide of logic and rational thought, that it is NOT Voltron?<p>again, go point by point, and be clear. you keep complaining about a lack of evidence that it is NOT Voltron. even though the burden of proof SHOULD be on you, I've just given you some evidence, and asked you some questions abotu your theory.<p>I can honestly say, for many reasons, I look forward to your response...

  • July 15, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I don't blame Moriarty

    by WilliamWallace1974

    Props to Mori for the scoop. They ripped off AICN, and gave them no credit. It's bush league, and he has every right to be mad. At the same time, Mori seems to be saying that we should cool it, when AICN has fanned the flames of all the fanboys hoping it's this story or that one. If it weren't for movie geeks obsessing over trailers and such, sites like this would have the traffic of the typical myspace page. If this is just a story of a monster attacking New York, I hope there's a reasonable explanation for why - once again - NYC is under attack, and what could cause an explosion that incinerates several city blocks.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    either way mrx

    by rdsxfan8

    this thread has gone way off topic. is anyone out there still actively pursuing any clues other than voltron based rigamorole. mrx67 wont be satisifed until someone proves him wrong ( and even than it will still be part of a conspiracy to him) so lets get to searching. I dont even really care anymore what this movie is about but I will make it my mission to prove it is not VOLTRON... the only other question I have for you mrx67 is this why do you want a voltron movie so bad? I thought there was a general consensus out there that people were tired of the remakes, rehashing of childhood show/cartoons, and sequels/prequesls, etc.... wouldnt this just be another example of hollywood raping our childhoods? Im all for anything original now a days in hollywood, but again if i turn out to be wrong I will in no way go kill myself. its only hollywood and I can choose not to spend my money on this film in a vain attempt to get them to understand that Im tired of them and want more original ideas out there. but as long as people like you keeping thinking the way you do, the days of remakes, rehashings, etc... will continue and Im gonna compliment you mrx btw . your a damn tenacious lil bugger. that I will def give you

  • July 15, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Man, those are all good points. And they have all been raised by others and then swatted aside by MRX67. I, also, look forward to his reply.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I still think it's THE LEGEND OF BILL BRASKY

    by Sir Loin

    From SNL.

  • July 15, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I don't need you to explain anything about rights...I know how it works. But go ahead and do what I said anyway. And here's another fact: The "rumor" that MGC is affiliated with Paramount is WRONG. MGC has first-look deals with Columbia Pictures and Touchstone Television. That's a fact, so sayeth the Hollywood Creative Directory. Look it up www.hcdonline.com

  • July 15, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    ANTSYPANTSY

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I'm not upset at all. You seem to be the one getting upset. I know that you site other scoops, but I didn't see any before June 21st, which is when AICN first started talking about this. Sorry if I missed that...can you please post the link here?

  • July 15, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Wonka you have talking bunny???

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...does it speak French like your cat Henri???

  • July 15, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Wood on the fire

    by derf24

    you guys are keeping this voltron bullshit going by respond to the dumb ass dude mrx67. Go back to the original thread and lets figure this shit out.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    I don't even have a non-talking bunny

    by BadMrWonka

    it just sounded as ludicrous as possible, and since I was trying to parallel MRX67, I thought it appropriate.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    It's not Voltron.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    VOLTRON did not take place on Earth. Nor would any filmmaker in their right fucking mind make a VOLTRON movie as told through the lenses of hand-held video cameras.<P>THANK YOU.<P>Finis.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Its the Six Million Dollar man

    by Phategod1

    01/18/75 Lee majors Invaded our TV's now it's new Yorks turn.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    The movie is Godzilla... VS Cthulhu!

    by Boondock Devil

    Only the greatest monster movie fight never filmed. Yet.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    good call derf

    by rdsxfan8

    Im through with this nonsense. like i said lets be the first to figure this out on here than see who uses out info as an exclusive report and takes our credit...

  • July 15, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    It's KoRn

    by Phategod1

    01/18/71 Jonathon Davis's birth day Hello NYC is going to get Rocked to death LiiL

  • July 15, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Antsypantsy...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... you're an idiot. There's not a single post on the IMDb boards from before July 2nd. We posted our first detailed story on June 21st. Now, I'm not sure if your mommy has explained the calendar to you yet, but "June" comes before "July," okay?

  • July 15, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    RUMOR CONTROL!!!

    by wackybantha

    CLOVERFIELD is NOT the new RAINBOW BRITE live-action film!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Mori

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I asked the guy to post a link to a scoop that predates the one here, but got called a blind moron in return. Personally, I can't believe this guy isn't writing for Time.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    BLADE RUNNER STORY!!!

    by wackybantha

    Can someone at AICN please fill us in on why the Blade Runner: The Final Cut's supposedly new opening titles article was pulled?

  • July 15, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by BadMrWonka

    so that was 1., I'm assuming the rest are to follow.<p>but alredy you've fallen into one of the most common logical fallacies. this is expecially common with conspiracy theorists.<p>just because the small problems you list with the IMDB page for Voltron, combined with a very generous interpretation of the possibilities of the 1-18-08 page, mean that is is REMOTELY POSSIBLE they are the same movie, it does not mean it is PROOF they are the same movie. this is logical fallacy. some people call it the "fallacy of composition", but that's slightly different, in actuality.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    wackybantha & BLADE RUNNER Titles

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No official explanation was given on the site. However, if you were to check out the YouTube profile of the guy who posted the title sequence, you would find that he had two different versions and noted what the changes were between them.<P>In other words, it was not legit.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Good call!!! Only they're two different movies!!! So what you said means absolutely nothing!!! Now, why don't you just explain to all of us idiots about the clue in the third picture.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Acid saliva would be good. Also, if any piece you cut off of him grew into another giant monster.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    RE: ANTSYPANTSY

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What the hell are we supposed to call this blogspot shilling douchebag? Is it ANTSYPANTSY. Or is it Arthur?<P>I'm voting for SHITSPANTSY myself...

  • July 15, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    No, dude. We're just a little short on crazy around here and I want you to inject a little more.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Voltron? Really??

    by Boondock Devil

    I wish I can say that I'm shocked that a few people really believe that this movie is going to be Voltron. I have to agree with the majority who thinks it would be the worst marketing idea ever to have a movie like Voltron and not let the masses know what's coming. It might not have the name recognition of Transformers but it's pretty damn close. <p> All I'm really expecting from this movie is a well-made monster-attacks-city film with a more human POV with the handheld cameras.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Believe me, you don't need to resort to name-calling to make this guy look like an idiot. He is attacking bad reprting with more bad reporting. That says it all. He is "fact-checking" facts with things that...wait for it...aren;t facts themselves.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by BadMrWonka

    you haven't forgotten about the rest of my points, have you?<p>you wanted facts and explanations, I gave them to you.<p>or do you want to ignore them, because your fantasy is a little shaky when it comes to solid data and facts?<p>if you're joking (and I still think it's 50/50, since I can't imagine you are serious, and yet smart enough to have figured out how to type), then I'm gonna make you pay, brother!<p>and if you're serious, well, god help you. you're not going to win this debate. your only chance to to fling your arms up and run away, as you just implied you were going to.<p>MRX: my bunny can talk!<p>BadMrWonka: "OK, let's hear it."<p>MRX: "prove to me it can't talk!"<p>BadMrWonka: "OK, well, no bunny in history has ever spoken. their vocal chords are not developed in a way to create speech. I've never heard this bunny talk, nor has anyone else. how ar those for facts?" MRX: "um...why can't anyone give me evidence that this bunny can't talk? I give up, I'm leaving. and I'm taking my bunny!"

  • July 15, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Hey, I didn't say it would be original...just cool.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    This is so doable for $30 million.

    by Bronx Cheer

    If you don't have to go "outside" the home video footage, you'll almost never see anything expensive, just a bunch of cowering and whimpering hipsters.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Roger that. But when he took the "Oooh I'm getting the AICN Morons Upset" route, I just decided a good ol' AICN nickname was in order.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    So help us out and explain the clue in the third picture.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Red Ned, Gorgo was the first time I felt empathy.

    by Bronx Cheer

    First time I felt empathy for anything. I think I cried. I still hate the British to this day for capturing Gorgo.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Soylent Mean, I think the Creature might be from...

    by Bronx Cheer

    Jersey, which would explain the terror caused by the water, as it probably hates bathing. HA!

  • July 15, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    No offense taken at all. I just couldn't think of anything else, and, personally, I think it would fucking suck to have to deal with something that you couldn't wound for fear of having multiple somethings to deal with...that you can't wound.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by BadMrWonka

    you sound like a broken record. stop making grandiose statements and take my points one by one...<p>if you really think your position is logical and defensible, they you would have no problem going logically through the points I made.<p>if, on the other hand, your position is shaky, and indefensible on the basis of logic and reason, then you would keep making the same vague complaints over and over again.<p>which of these describes what you're doing?<p>(also, google, the logical fallacy "appeal to probability"...it perfectly describes your mistaken rationale for everything you're claiming to be factually true)

  • July 15, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I'm telling you...we've been through ALL THIS BEFORE...hasn't even slowed him down...

  • July 15, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    ZizzleSolizzle

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Fo shizzle.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    I know, General

    by BadMrWonka

    I'm not allowing someone to piss on my church, the church of logic and reason.<p>if he wants to ignore reality and reason, he's entitled. but he's NOT entitled to claim that the facts are on his side. they are not.<p>he's either going to leave with his tail between his legs (as he's sort of tried to do), or he's going to admit that he's basing his belief on faith and hope, not logic and reason.<p>no one pisses on my church!

  • July 15, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    why do people think this is Voltron?

    by drave117

    I'm not trying to be mean, I honestly want to know. I was under the impression that the rumor got started purely because somebody misheard a line in the trailer, and thought the guy said "I saw it, it's a lion, it's huge!" but obviously there must be more to it than that. I just can't see it. I can't see any possible connection between Voltron and this project.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    There are a number of Paramount movies in development that don't have links or mention on the Paramount site. Also, check out this site - http://www.apple.com/trailers/#section=studios - it lists 01.18.08 as a Paramount movie...oh, wait, maybe Apple is in on it, too...

  • July 15, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Also, of course,

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    the fucking Paramount logo is IN THE TRAILER

  • July 15, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by BadMrWonka

    again, the SAME LOGICAL FALLACY!!!! just because something COULD be true, does not mean it IS true. this is the "appeal to probability" fallacy, and is almost universally used in conspiracy theories.<p>you still have not given ONE fact. you call what you're saying facts, but they are not. if I sneeze, and then the house next door blows up. I did NOT cause it, simply because one happened right after the other!!!!! post hoc, ergo propter hoc!!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I love these things

    by Pr_Frink

    Always a few people who take this shit personally and get into massive arguments over a movie. Maybe that's what this movie is about. An over-zealous fan goes nuts and starts destroying New York because Optimus had flames. I'd see that. Definitely sounds like a parasite to me.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    MR X-67...

    by Cadillac Jones

    ...you, sir, are a Fruit Loop! 101% Pure, Unfiltered, Whack-Jobiness! <p> I am still waiting for your bunny to talk.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    If this *IS* Cthulhu...

    by Cadillac Jones

    ...will he have flames and/or nipples or possibly both?!

  • July 15, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    very repetitive

    by derf24

    noone is searching for clue only now everyone is obsessed on Mr.X67 Nothing is moving forward because everyone is stuck on how fucking dumb all of Mrx67's statements are. Hes is taking everyone on a ride and im sure he is getting a kick out of this. Please draw your attention to the problem at hand and lets figure this shit out.

  • July 15, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The VOLTRON rumors are for shits and giggles.

    by Ringwearer9

    Someone mistook "it's alive" for "it's a lion" and the jokesters started pretending to take it seriously. Then the humorless pedants started lecturing everyone on how stupid the Voltron idea was, which caused the jokesters to roll on the floor laughing, and to repost the Voltron idea over and over again, just to watch the pedants foam at the mouth. Yes, Mori, I'm talking about you.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    drave117 i am right with you

    by slappy jones

    I never understood how anyone could seriously think this was voltron?? very very strange and to the guy who said all the secrecy reeks ofpretentcious overblown bullshit...there was a time when a film came out we didn't know much about it. all we had was a trailer, a poster and some lobby cards. we didn't know every detailsof everything before it was released and we certainly couldn't hunt out fucking scripy reviews before the thing had been shot. I am glad to see a film try to hold back from us and surprise us. I am glad to see a studio not ram something down our throats and if they play it the same way all the way through and it still gets overhyped the only people to blame will be us.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    see now, the cycle continues

    by BadMrWonka

    MRX67 gets faced with undeniable logic, and so he runs off for a while. then he comes back a bouple hours later, as though nothing has happened, and says something to the effect of, "no one has given me any evidence it's not Voltron!!"<p>it's kind of cut, he's done it exactly like that for a few days now. I'm just hoping something new will come alone to shut him up. but given that he seems incapable of graping even the most simple points of logic, I can't see what that would be.<p>I could care less about Voltron, I just hate people making logical fallacies!

  • July 15, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    GENTLEMAN!

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Just thought I'd Interject some research into the fun yet repetitive jackassery - <p>1. "It's Alive, It's Huge" - Largest living animal - A Great Blue whale(see Slusho site for various whale refrences.) <p>2. "Parasite" name attached to project - Whales eat krill and copepoda, the latter being a parasite. <p> Lets speculate that the "secret ingredient" in Slusho! is in fact a parasitic copepoda with unknown properties capable of manipulating it's host life form. <p> Any Takers??

  • July 15, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I vote for Cthulhu. I'd rather see a Cthulhu movie

    by superninja

    done in this style. Slusho history talks about their secret ingredient from the bottom of the ocean which fits with R'lyeh's location from The Call of Cthulhu. In that story it says the Old Ones communicate with humans through dreams, and in the Slusho history, Ganu the scientist who creates Slusho is communicated to via a dream telling him how to use the secret incredient found at the bottom of the ocean. So we have Ganu taking advice from the "whale" of how go from being a small fish (a nobody) to an enormous whale (great). This is always how trouble starts in mythology and Biblical stories, btw. In The Call of Cthulhu, the Old Ones need outside assistance to free them. Once free, they would then revive Cthulhu. "It's alive, it's huge," could accurately describe Cthulhu. Or it could describe something else as Cthulhu and the Old Ones are a vanguard for an extraterrestrial invasion. Perhaps they're attempting to throw people off by bringing in the Japanese element to make people think campy and monster movie, but it's obvious Slusho is slightly sinister despite its appearance and this could just be backstory for the movie.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Comedy gold!!!

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    This is one of the more entertaining Talkbacks for sure. MRX is fucking with you guys so bad. He has to goofing, because it is physically impossible for anyone to be that dumb. Anyone that stupid would be incapable of typing a coeherent sentence, let alone operate a computer.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Symbolism on the Slusho site.

    by superninja

    Boy and girl represent male and female. <p> Animals possibly represent evolutionary clades (since Slusho is mutagenic potentially): birds, amphbians, mammals, fish.

  • July 15, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    ANTSYPANTSY

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I remember reading the bit on this project back in June, man. I look at AICN every day and I'm a fan of the Dark Tower series, so I remember looking at the scoop when it first appeared. Of course, I lied about having worked for Ed Pressman, so I'm probably lying about this, too.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Genetic tampering is real-life scary and it definitely

    by superninja

    fits with the Godzilla theme of technology gone awry, but if this is some monstrous genetic creation gone awry and that's it? BORING. Unless they set it in the 60s and make it deliberately campy. Which they haven't. It needs more Cthulhu! Bring on the metaphysical scares.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    ...i find ZombieSolutions' argument for Voltron...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...far more convincing than MRX37's, however... <p> ...the bunny gives this away... <p> ...it's... <p> DOMO-KUN!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Okay, Then...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... if you're just going to use the talkbacks to lie and slander me, then you can fuck off, Antsy. Enjoy your blog.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I dunno about the lampost

    by McClane_Corleone

    But they definitly need to fix the size of the Statue of Liberty's head. WAAAAAAAY too small.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Jeez

    by SLURPIEGOD

    We have quite the social experiment going here courtesy of J.J. Abrams. <p> Now which one of us is going to press the button??

  • July 15, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Prof. Ikamono...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I never said anything about the people saying, "This is in the style of..." since it's obvious you guys are on the right track. There are definite kaiju influences, and anyone dealing with giant monsters from the sea is traveling ground covered by Lovecraft previously. My point was only for people who are so literal minded that they could only imagine this as an actual GODZILLA remake or an official Lovecraft adaptation. <P>Or *sigh* VOLTRON.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I doubt they would sell Voltron this low tech.

    by superninja

    If you're going to rope in people watching a movie about lion robots that form a giant robot fighting an alien invasion they have: 1) a massive scale problem, and 2) questionable production values. Now, the script synopsis of Voltron on Latino Review admittedly sounds sort of retardedly low-tech apocalyptic nonsense with some room for big special effects - you know, uncreative like most Hollywood adaptations - but it also sounds like something Mike Bay would shoot, so that rules this trailer out.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Where's my Visionaries movie???

    by J-Dizzle

  • July 15, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    And this isn't an attack Moriarty,

    by McClane_Corleone

    But why the Hell do you guys have an ad for Captivity on this site?

  • July 15, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Robert Knepper as Roland

    by smackfu

    Sounds strange but take a long hard look at this guy and tell me he doesn't look like a centuries old Gunslinger, weathered, beaten, and worn.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    As Far As The BLADE RUNNER Thing...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I think Merrick posted the YouTube link, and then realized it was a student project on cutting titles. That's why he took it back down. I think he's just super-excited about the new BLADE RUNNER, so jumped the gun a bit.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    SHITSPANTSY

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You're either an idiot or intentionally daft. Were people talking about CLOVERFIELD before AICN wrote a story about it? Sure. But I don't think discussion on an IMDB messageboard amounts to much of a news source/heads-up-type scoop. What makes you think they were the intitial source for this stupid movie? Hell, they probably got half their conjecture from the LOST forums (which actually have a direct connection to Mr. Abrams) anyway. So, what's your point Arthur?

  • July 15, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    This trailer, and if true, the look of the film being

    by superninja

    shot via camcorder, honor the spirit of the documentary style of The Call of Cthulhu.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    McClane...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... that's pretty much the proof that we on the editorial side have nothing to do with the ads. I wish to god we didn't have those ads here, but we don't have the ability to pick and choose what gets ad space. That's handled by someone entirely different than us.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    From everything I've seen

    by McClane_Corleone

    AICN was the first to break the Cloverfield story. I hadn't been interested because I knew nothing about it, but this was the only site I'd seen the name "Cloverfield" on for the last month or so.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Whoops, nevermind.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I think I got my answer.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah Mori

    by McClane_Corleone

    I finally completely disbelieve the conspiracy theories about payola and aicn.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Actually, Mr. Nice Gaius...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... they weren't. That's my point. There was no discussion of CLOVERFIELD anywhere until we broke the story. No one had any details about it. The closest anyone came was when Latino Review was betting Harry that JJ Abrams wasn't making STAR TREK because he was doing something called CLOVERFIELD instead. But they had no idea what it was, and many people at the time guessed it was just another cover title for STAR TREK. <P>Despite what the now-absent Antsy said, we broke this one. And I can't backdate stories. They're stamped when they are published, and the talkbacks below each story should prove that conclusively.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    The documentary about how AICN broke the

    by superninja

    Cloverfield story would probably be more interesting than the final product. However, it will, no doubt, be better than Transformers. :D

  • July 15, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Hey Moriarty

    by McClane_Corleone

    Shouldn't you be at a wedding or something?

  • July 15, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Calling me a liar?

    by FlatChestedHarmony

    Let's talk about the information that Harry withheld when he was trying to sell your script. Or let's talk about the expose that FilmThreat did on you guys. I'm all up for taking about lies. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogspot.com

  • July 15, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Mori

    by BadMrWonka

    thanks for clearing this stuff up. I wish the conspiracy theorists would at least contain their zeal to the search for more info regarding the film, rather than the search for more revisionist history regarding AICN's contribution. (as if JJ personally writing Harry a note wasn't proof enough of AICN's importance in breaking this stuff).<p>but as you can see in the other talkback, 3000 posts later, and we're nowhere. all we have are morons talking about Voltron, ridiculous anagrams, and asinine numerology wackos.<p>is there anything you can suggest, however vague you might have to be, to get us on the right track towards more websites/information about this project? Abrams seemed to imply gidily that there was more out there, and that he hoped we would find it, but I think we need more than our little nerdlinger team. we need a hint or two.<p>or do we simply have to wait for more photos, and more Slusho?

  • July 15, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Moriarty - That's what I thought as well.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    My conceit that there might have been previous discussion stems from what I've heard being theorized on the LOST Forums.<P>I'm not sure what this guy thinks he's trying to prove but it sounds like he's got a little hard-on for AICN.<P>Cheers.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    FlatChestedAntsy

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Let's talk about where you saw a story before June 21st on "Cloverfeld". You still haven't proven the truth of your initial allegations.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka is right

    by McClane_Corleone

    We're like the Scooby gang and the aicn staff is like the Harlem Globetrotters. We need help just this once.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Oh General

    by FlatChestedHarmony

    You honestly believe that AICN talked about "Cloverfield" before anyone else anywhere on the net? Deluded much? Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogspot.com

  • July 15, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    FlatChestedHarmony (aka SHITSPANTSY)

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Seriously. What's your point?

  • July 15, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Attack of the 100' Feinstein

    by BillyPilgrim

    I reiterate the facts. <p> 1. The State of California produces most of the cheese in the US. <p> 2. The Donkey is the symbol of the Democratic party. <p> 3. The color blue is symbolic of California being a blue state. <p> 4. The oven mitt is to handle the burning rage of the beast. <p>With these facts in had the movie is thus. A geneticly engineered 100 foot tall U.S. Senator named Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is hunting down the "parasite" George Bush. He is visiting the United Nations when Feinstein is loosed by the DNC. Hilarity ensues. No Voltron. No Cthulhu. No Godzilla. Just a giant pissed off Democrat.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Oh wow!

    by FlatChestedHarmony

    Don't you love how in denial people are? And pointing out my old name as if I tried to hide it? Moriarty can make you people believe anything apparently. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogspot.com

  • July 15, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    I thought that Cloverfield was a Merchant Ivory film

    by Boondock Devil

    Atleast that's what I was thinking when I saw that in a topic a few weeks back. <p> Can I also just throw in... why not Mothra? Everybody just jumped on the Godzilla bandwagon. Hell why not Gamera? That would be the shite.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Antsy

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I will shut the fuck up about this forever if you can show me one single link to a scoop about this project anywhere before June 21st. Just show me a link. If you can't, then drop it because you have no evidence to back up your allegations. I'm not talking about any script review or whatever...I'm saying show me proof someone else was talking about this movie. If you can't do that, then stop talking down to me like I'M some kind of idiot, because you're completely disingenuous and what you're doing is called LIBEL. When I accuse someone of something, I am prepared to back it up. Obviously you are not.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    General

    by FlatChestedHarmony

    Google is an amazing search tool. It will take you seconds to find mountains of proof of discussion of this film before AICN. Literally seconds. And don't barf out the word "libel" at me and then defend people like Moriarty and Harry. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogspot.com

  • July 15, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    BillyPilgrim

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Once again, I am sold.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    I think the saddest thing online

    by BadMrWonka

    in any form (video games, forums, talkbacks, blogs) is when someone gets banned, then comes back in a different form to whine more.<p>it makes me chuckle, but then sigh at how shitty it must feel like to be that guy...it's like the kid who grabs the ball and throws it over the fence because he can't play the game...<p>hence the irony of this troll's blog name...<p>maybe him and MRX67 are long lost brothers. both of them seem to ignore the obvious fallacy in making an unusual claim, and then asking others to disprove it.<p>GIVE...US...A...LINK...and not to somewhere mentioning the name, people had a name. but to some legitimate info about the project.<p>do YOU have a talking pet bunny as well?

  • July 15, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Where's my recognition, damnit, Mori?

    by The Dum Guy

    I believe that the first thing I heard about this was it was supposed to be Dark Tower (I know now it is not), and if I remember correctly it was from a post I did on a previous thread that Mori first said anything about.... Now, why Mori just say that, that's all I want, attention, because I'm an attention whore...(this entire post was done out of boredom, I do not in any way advocate or condone attention whoredom).

  • July 15, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    FCH

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Again, don't talk down to me like I'm a fucking idiot when it would be extremely simple to show me what an idiot I am assuming you're not completely full of shit. Take a few seconds and post a link or two here to make me eat my words...which I will gladly do and admit that I am wrong and you are right...and on top of that, you will have PROVEN what a bunch of fucking liars Harry, Mori, et al. are.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Yes Wonka You're Right

    by FlatChestedHarmony

    Millions of people online and AICN was the first to talk about "Cloverfield". And clouds are made of cotton candy and the Easter Bunny is real. Arthur http://wewerethecoolkids.blogspot.com

  • July 15, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    "Did you order the code red!?"

    by Boondock Devil

    Google is an amazing search tool. <p> I might use that to answer anything now. Thanks.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    FCH

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    So where's the link? Put your money where your mouth is.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    brother

    by BadMrWonka

    more vague (and unfunny) references...<p>you want to give us a link? as we've asked half a dozen times?<p>you make a claim, you have to prove it. YOU have the burden of proof.<p>did you go to high school?<p>GIVE US A LINK...how many times do we have to ask you?

  • July 15, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I discovered gravity!

    by tango fett

    give me credit. God knows I deserve it. suck it dry, kids! see how easy it is when noone knows you to pretend you are amazing, yet you offer no proof? now please, uh...Fatchestharmonica guy, make with the evidence or fuck off! and way to rock, Mori.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Dude, he's probably in high school now...

  • July 15, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Flat Chest

    by rhialto

    The man's too good for proof. Or this site. Or probably life. Man, how sad do you have to be to have a jealous hate on for AICN? At least bump that shit up to Justin Timberlake or some shit.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Wow...and Mori...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I take the kids shopping and come back to check on this and...wow. And yeah, Mori, I thought you were specific enough yesterday when you said it wasn't Cthulhu that you meant it wasn't a direct adaptation of Lovecraft, which didn't seem very likely to me in the first place. But then some other people started screaming shut up whenever Lovecraft was mentioned, including some guy who insisted that the movie wasn't a remake of Lovecraft. Too bad, really. That would have been quite the experience. And Abrams has already danced around that territory, with Lost (ancient four toed statue, the Others who are nearly but not quite us and somehow seemingly in service to something other than humanity, the amorphous monster that can savagely kill or drive you mad, now the fact that once touched by the island you seem somehow "marked"). So saying Lovecraftian in this case is pretty much just a way to differentiate dumb monster from directed monster and random rampage from something with deeper and or broader implications.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    FlatChestedHarmony = Already in deflection mode.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "Millions of people online and AICN was the first to talk about "Cloverfield"."<P>Well, if Google is so handy, please provide us with the link to the first person to discuss CLOVERFIELD. Should be easy enough, right?<P>wewerethecoolkids<P>You WERE? I wonder what happened...

  • July 15, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    rhialto

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    ANTSY: "He didn't bring sexy back. That's a fucking lie. There are literally millions of people who brought sexy back before him. Just use google."

  • July 15, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    and again...

    by BadMrWonka

    (we seem to have to say everything 4 times) we're not talking about mentions, we're talking about INFORMATION...if you read the initial article Mori linked to, from June 21st, they obviously had a bead on everything that was going on, form the production, to the trailer.<p>and you had the stones to claim Mori ALTERED the date of the article?<p>are you going to apologize, since that's blatantly untrue?<p>or are you going to ignore what I just wrote...again? I bet on the latter...

  • July 15, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    STOP CRYING MORI

    by gambit88

    Its really pathetic and nobody cares.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    gambit88

    by BadMrWonka

    he proved his point, and kicked the troll out. he hasn't said a word since.<p>who's crying?<p>you shame the name of Gambit, sir...

  • July 15, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    I just wish

    by jelac07

    that Abrams would confirm whether or not he have an ARG or not... so I can quit wasting my time, if its not.

  • July 15, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Hey, Mr. Nice Gaius...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...does this MRX cat remind you amazingly of old what's his name of the BSG talkbacks? Seems the same...hmmm...style. You had to put up with him a lot more than I did so I wondered if you had a feel.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Parasite Movie Link Changed?

    by ChubbyActionFigure

    Now the http://www.parasitemovie.com link goes to 01-18-08.com ?? Strange?

  • July 15, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Hey, Red Ned Lynch!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Caught your post in that other TB. Long time, no read indeed!<P>I assume you are referring to JJ4P (aka Vog/by by/OW4P, etc.)? Nah, I don't think it's him. He's not trying to "PWN" everyone in the room. As a matter of fact, his most recent incarnation, Tegujai Batir, appears to have been given the boot, too. Serves him right.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    theparasitemovie

    by rhialto

    is a fake site. Nothing strange about that.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Yeah, I kind of figured if he was you'd have already called him on it. It was the cut and paste reposting of his whole "argument" that made me suspicious. And his insistence that uninformed opinion was the same thing as fact. Yeah, I know. It's the internet, those traits aren't that uncommon.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    NEXT YEARS LITTLE MISS CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST

    by Stuntcock Mike

    I cant wait.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST

    David Spade

    by Kenobi-fan

    Seriously, is someone going to say I loved this movie the first time when it was called: (choose your film)? ;)

  • July 15, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    RE: "It's the internet, those traits aren't that uncommon."<P>Ha! Very true. However, in this particular case, I think MRX67 is just too nice!

  • July 15, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Probably true, Mr. Nice Gaius...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...and at least this guy had some genuinely amusing material with the donkey/cheese/overmitt thing. By the way, I noticed the r instead of n in overmitt, but overmitt kind of creeps me out so I'm going to let it stand.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Waaaaah! I'm important! Waah! Acknowledge me!

    by googamooga

    So you broke the story here, so what? The people on this site (and Harry is the worst) sometimes start believing their own hype. They forget that they are the loser-geeks who used to play D&D during lunch in school and that they write for a fan based movie website and instead start believing they are legitimate reporters. Quit yer' bitchin', you ain't never gonna win a pulitzer, and you'll never be one of the "in" crowd in Hollywood. Don't you people realize that the people who ARE a part of that world are laughing AT you, not WITH you?

  • July 15, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Hm. So Lost is Lovecraftian? I never watched it

    by superninja

    before, but that just made it sound more interesting at least.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    googamooga

    by BadMrWonka

    you're here too, asshat.<p>if someone claimed on their little blog, something about you that was false, and you had a pulpit to denounce it, you would, too.<p>unfortunately, your pulpit is about as big as the square around your last talkback comment.<p>so hush up.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    googamooga

    by rhialto

    Project much?

  • July 15, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Whoa

    by SLURPIEGOD

    According to wikipedia - <p>"Oven Mitt (and its verb tense, oven mitting) can refer to the act of a female tea-bag maneuver" <p>Just what is the Slusho Horse thinking of?

  • July 15, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by BadMrWonka

    you never have much to say, other than negativity, and redundant comments.<p>you and Jimmy_009 aren't the same person, are you?

  • July 15, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    slusho

    by rdsxfan8

    the official hatorade of AICN. bet you cant hate on 6 different people after drinking slusho..

  • July 15, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Damn. I missed that whole "overmitt" thing.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm familiar with ovenmitts but not "overmitts". Now that sounds Lovecraftian!

  • July 15, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    "an oil tanker flipping over by the Statue of Liberty"

    by Mace Tofu

    From Mori first post about the script. How would a oil tanker get to the Statue? GIANT MONSTER ATTACK? Anyway now we know why the head landed in the street maybe lol.

  • July 15, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    So ITS Offficial then!!

    by Darth Hidious

    Nobody on this talkback has any idea what this film is officially called or what its about!! Instead you have resorted to concentrating on 'What its not about' You have all taken the bait from the likes of 'MRX67' which then spawns posts from numptys live 'zombiesolutions'!! Mori has said his piece and is joining in the talkbacks - be thankful HE may or may not have given some extra clues - SO BASICALLY LETS GET BACK TO THE JOB AND SOLVE THIS FUCKING MYSTERY and totally blank MRX67 cos hes fuckin with us all!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    I won't know much more until September

    by BadMrWonka

    gonan be travelling to seattle and new york for other projects in between now and then.<p>for now, I've taken a week off to relax, watch my new west wing DVD's, and grow back my goatee that I accidentally cut off with my new electric shaver, which I only bought because I won $1100 in a poker tournament at the bicycle casino and I swore that I should buy myself a gift to celebrate, and also, I was a little tipsy when I was trying it out.<p>wait, what was I talking about?<p>ah yes, the movie. I think it's 50/50 whether I get to direct it, but it's pretty certainly going to be made next year sometime. so exciting!<p>I think this goes to prove that Transformers sucks...

  • July 15, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Mitt = heat, cheese = fermentation.

    by superninja

    Genetics.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    VOLTRON GOTS 2 EAT 2

    by djkrysiz

    <nbsp;>

  • July 15, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    oil tanker...I was thinking truck, but if it's a ship

    by Mace Tofu

    That could be the Big Blast we see , an oil tanker ship blowing up next to the Statue of liberty = No Monsters?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    I worked on a low budget lesbian slasher film

    by BadMrWonka

    worst experience of my LIFE...<p>my film is about a man and a woman, late 20's, who are each at separate parties in houses right next to each other. the woman is at a party wth a coworker much younger, it's sort of a kegger, and she feels out of place amongst the younger people...the guy is at the party next door, also with a coworker, but this one is a cocktail party, and everyone is older than him, and he feels uncomfortable. they both go into the backyards, where they see each other on the other side of a low fence, and they start talking.<p>in the meantime, the two parties sort of clash in the background, with subplots about characters infiltrating the other party, cops arriving, etc.<p>you see, it's a metaphor! young life, older life, the time in between where you don't know what the hell to do. after college, before marriage, etc.<p>at any rate, it's way too hot in my apartment. los angeles needs some RAIN!!

  • July 15, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Darth Hidious

    Come to the UK its been raining for a month, its supposed to Summer here it sucks!!

  • July 15, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Oil Tanker

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Yes, but what if it was Slusho in the tanker instead of oil? Slusho that became warm and unstable because of a freakishly warm January in New York?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I might be there in November, actually

    by BadMrWonka

    a friend I went to university with over on your island is getting married. but the girl I'm seeing can't go, and so I'm thinking it might be a hell of a trip for like 3 days with lots of champagne and no sex.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    lol, thanks

    by BadMrWonka

    no gore, no tits, maybe not even any swearing, I'm not sure. there's a few f bombs in the script, but they don't really need to be there, and I bet they'll get changed.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Has anyone noticed...

    by TheBlackKnight

    While they run out of the building, there is a man on the right with a pinkish/red striped shirt. On his back is some white spot or circle. It just seems out of place on a collar shirt like that to have some spot that looks painted on.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Attention

    by derf24

    anyone here seriouly looking for clues on this should post on the original thread. there are alot of new ideas surfacing.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Why would the Statue of Liberty head go flying AFTER

    by superninja

    the initial explosion? Because it was thrown. My guess is that whatever it was that attacked the Statue of Liberty, examined it after the attack, then roared in anger, throwing its head.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Maybe the oil tanker hit a giant whale

    by Mace Tofu

    and that made it flip over. Then some dumbass on a tour of the statue of liberty flicks a lit cigarette into the water setting off the big explosion. Human error=no monsters.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    12/21/2012?

    by Pr_Frink

    The world will end on my birthday. Cool.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Snin,Because the head flew up from the oil tanker blast

    by Mace Tofu

    and landed miles away. Anyone know how many seconds between the blast and the head hitting?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Remember the immortal words

    by BillyPilgrim

    of Sherlock Holmes. When you have eliminated the impossible then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Why would it attack the Statue of Liberty. Maybe

    by superninja

    it thought it was alive? Maybe it hates freedom! Alert the Bush admin.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Paramount and Ethan Haas

    by Scramble Network

    Okay... this just isn't adding up. PARAMOUNT took the Ethan Haas clips down from YouTube. Only copyright owners can do that! And they don't own the ALPHA OMEGA rpg. Moriarty-- can you please clarify this?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Superninja,Mori's first post says the script has scene

    by Mace Tofu

    of oil tanker flipping over near the statue so it's not the statue that is getting attacked but the ship. Liberty just gets caught in the blast.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Scramble Network

    by rhialto

    Current theory is that the Ethan Haas people put Cloverfield and 01-18-08 in the keywords of the clips on youtube, which is why Paramount took them down, and why they are now back up.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    SM, RTFA. Mori has a hotlink to the June 21st post

    by Mace Tofu

    and he mentions the two scenes from the script.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Ethan Haas / Paramount

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Paramount is the copyright holder of the name "Ethan Haas" From a CBS TV show called "The Class". Paramount owns CBS

  • July 15, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I see that reference. But I still question

    by superninja

    why after the initial explosion it would take so long for the head to follow if it was not being thrown. Especially given its size.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I see that reference. But I still question

    by superninja

    why after the initial explosion it would take so long for the head to follow if it was not being thrown. Especially given its size.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Just a reminder

    by Pr_Frink

    Because a scene plays out in a certain way in a trailer doesn't mean that's the way it goes in the movie.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    12/21/2012

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    Sounds about right...just enough time for Hillary Clinton to allow terrorists to take over.

  • July 15, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the DP.

    by superninja

    <>

  • July 15, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    32 seconds

    by Mace Tofu

    Just checked the trailer and it is 32 seconds from Blast to head hitting. So how far is the party from Liberty island?

  • July 15, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    return of the antsy

    by rhialto

    Hey guys, I'm currently having the same argument with a dude I'm almost sure is antsy/flat chest over on the unfiction forums. Same hate for AICN, same total inability to come up with links to back up his claims, same claim that they're oh so easy to find. Guess he fled to another forum to continue the bs. The guy is certifiable.

  • July 15, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    Iti's not just the distance, the head seems larger

    by superninja

    than the other projectiles, it doesn't make sense.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    even if the clips are out of sequence

    by BadMrWonka

    they are on the roof during the explosion. they are in the street when the head flies by. even if you assume they could get from the roof to the street in 45 seconds, that's too long for the head to have been sent flying directly from the explosion. something else happened in the meantime. QED.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    It hits a building first and then falls to the ground

    by superninja

    so it had to be something forceful enough to send it through the air that distance and high enough to hit a building.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    rhialto, tell him BadMrWonka said he's a coward...

    by BadMrWonka

    running away when people challenged him to come up with real answers. tell him not trip over the tail between his legs.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    yosh

    by rhialto

    I will if it turns out to be him. Wouldn't be surprised if I already scared him off, though.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by BadMrWonka

    it's clear something else happened, it's definite. think of it this way. the guy running by saw "it", right? so it has to have been close enough for him to have seen it fairly close before that.<p>so I think whatever "it" is, was right around that corner, and tossed the head from just out of view. that's my prediction.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Maybe the head bounced a few times before stopping

    by Mace Tofu

    that is why it took longer to get to the party.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    come on, though

    by BadMrWonka

    it takes a while to get a crowd of people from the roof of an apartment building out onto the street. I mean 45 seconds is SO fast. it's a minute at least. you can't throw something in the air and have it land a minute later. unless it goes WAY higher than what we saw in the trailer.<p>someone tossed it, come on guys. or else it's part of something else. it's NOT part of the debris from the explosion we see in the trailer. it's impossible.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Bad Mr. Wonka, you are my new hero.

    by The Rondo Hatton Blues Explosion

    Ok, this about six hours late (been on the road), but I totally have to make a shirt that says "No one pisses on my church!" now. <p> Either that or have my 200th beer bronze plate at The Flying Saucer inscribed with your words of wisdom. I bow to the power of your verse.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Rob...

    by SLURPIEGOD

    looked guilty cause he asked for a little head at the party before he went away...

  • July 15, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka, that's what I think as well.

    by superninja

    I'm glad you brought Mori's comment up anyway, Mace, because I kept thinking for some reason the monster was creating the explosion but if it pushed a tanker into the statue maybe it's just really big.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    20 seconds to get from roof to street in trailer

    by Mace Tofu

    I just timed it and they run down in 20 seconds.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    About the three roars...

    by The Rondo Hatton Blues Explosion

    Has anyone done any analying of them yet? <p> I read that they were a clue of sorts and thought I'd run them through Acid, geek about with their pitch, speed, etc. <p> Probably nothing there, but what the hell, I've got nothing else happening tonight.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    koontz

    by wyvern

    Phantoms mentioned in a talkback?My day is complete.Thank you and goodnight.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Movie time is not real time

    by Mace Tofu

    Artistic licence lol Remember in ID4 planes and people and dogs could outrun giant 15 mile wide fireballs...

  • July 15, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    lol, Rondo

    by BadMrWonka

    thank you, but I bet if you made a t-shirt saying that, people would not quickly assume you were talking about "logic and reason"... ;o)

  • July 15, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    antsy harder?

    by rhialto

    http://tinyurl.com/ys4jdp Hard to tell if it's the same dude. Different writing style, same bs.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Mace Tofu, you've got it backwards...

    by BadMrWonka

    editing makes things go faster on screen than they are happening in real time within the filmic reality.<p>in other words, instead of showing the minute or two that is actually spent running through the stairwell in a panic, they show 20 seconds or so. but within the reality of the film, much more time has passed. it's too long for the head to be part of the original explosion.<p>plus, look at the angle it comes from, combined with the guy that just saw "it", PLUS the crowd of people sprinting away BEFORE the head starts flying in. they's a'running away from a'something biiig...

  • July 15, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    artistic license is relative

    by BadMrWonka

    if you make a movie with camcorders from people's perspective, you don't have as much artistic license, do you? it's "realism"!!<p>as much as it can be, considering it's about a sea monster, lol...

  • July 15, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    True.

    by The Rondo Hatton Blues Explosion

    But it would sure confuse the hell out of the mostly Southern Baptist population of dear ol' Columbia, SC. <p> " 'No one pisses on my church'? I don't know whether to condemn the boy or invite him to speak next Sunday!"

  • July 15, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Thanks rhialto

    by Scramble Network

    That explains that. Wow... I sure did spend a lot of time on those puzzles... *grumble*

  • July 15, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...as they're running down the stairs it appears the camera goes off and on several times. For instance, we don't see them reach the landing. Therefore any kind of timing is pretty suspect and represents only an absolute minimum time between the events. For all we know these folks could have plunged down the stairs, stopped at the bottom, talked about how that monster roar and explosion were quite a surprise for an hour or so, then been frightened by something else and come outside. Or nearly anything else. Regardless, the angle at which the head hits the building doesn't really jive with a distant explosion and the vertical lift and drop that would have followed.

  • July 15, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    cmon mori

    by jedimindflayer

    there is absolutely no proof that 'cloverfield' isn't a cover; there are at least 2 big paramount projects either gearing up or just starting... couldn't this 'cloverfield' be a cover for some indy or trek action?

  • July 15, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    cover?

    by rhialto

    Cover what for what? What's the point? Why would anyone do that?

  • July 15, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Why would you run out of the building and on to the

    by superninja

    street when crap was raining down on you from above? So, it must have stopped and people gathered outside to find out if anyone had seen something when it starts back up again.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Don't you all realize...

    by JohnDeaux

    That by fighting like this, you are all just letting the terrorists win?!?!? *Sigh* BTW...Fuck Voltron is his big maned ass. With a flaming sword.

  • July 15, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    I would like Godzilla's autograph, but only if it was

    by superninja

    the original man in suit Zilla and I was in Japan (not the crappy American version).

  • July 15, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Kay

    by GreenGeezer

    nothing new, be back later for any updates.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Pyaaaaaw!

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Moriarty, tellin' it like it is. I remember reading this stuff when it came out. Because it was DT related. Fuck that guy and his plagiaristic arse. Slusho.jp is fucking whackadoo. What more proof do you need than the producer flat out saying...IT'S NOT VOLTRON! Jeebus. Take a breath, and wait for your giant lion robot movie with giant sword of heaven. Oh, and finally, they should make a Voltron movie about the Voltron that had cars and planes and all kinds of shit that made him a giant robot. That Voltron kicked ass!

  • July 15, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Abrams should be spending his time trying to get Shatner + Nimoy to be in Star Trek XI.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    MrWONKA Re: editing makes things go faster on screen

    by Mace Tofu

    Then why do scenes where a bomb is ticking off the last 30 second countdown last 2-3 minutes in Hollywood action movies?

  • July 15, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    The ingredient is Noriko

    by Zybon

    Noriko was lost at sea after a parasite took over her body. The waste from this parasite was tasty and this monster was feasting on her deliciousness at the bottom of the ocean. Ganu took her and the monster wants his treats back.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Poster and Email from Slusho

    by Ocean Wang

    2 things, I emailed the address at Slusho and got a message back 24 hours later. Second, has anyone noticed the numbering in the We'll Miss You Poster at the website? There's a 7, a 9 and a 2 upside down in the letters E, L and L.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    mace tofu

    by BadMrWonka

    does this situation seem like that to you?<p>you're talking about exteneded, dramatic effect. I'm talking about general rules of thumb in cinema.<p>at any rate, it's clear by now, I would hope, that the statue's head is not landing from the original explosion that the people saw...

  • July 15, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    THIS YEAR LITTLE POLYPS ON A PLANE!!!

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    Actually, if its not Chtulhu I'm not interested.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    RE: Why the head took so long to hit.

    by Mace Tofu

    When "IT" attacked the oil tanker it blew the whole Liberty statue into the air. When Liberty hit the street the head broke off and bounced around the city like a pinball untill it came to rest at the party. Untill all the camcorders are rounded up we will not know how many times the head bounced or what angles it took during it's 32 second journey. The kicker is in the movie 3 tourist walk out of the head after it lands and they tell the people in the street about the "MONSTER" attacking the oil tanker. One of the tourist turns out to be BORAT.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I think it's.....

    by wackybantha

    ....STAR TREK. And the whole trailer takes place on some ship's holodeck. Of course, if the film takes place before the original series I don't think they had holodecks then. Right? Maybe THE BORG COLLECTIVE is attacking after traveling back in time. That would be awesome.

  • July 15, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Someone please make a Voltron movie for ZombieS.

    by superninja

    <>

  • July 15, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Satoshi

    by Ocean Wang

    Did anyone else try emailing Satoshi?

  • July 15, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's the new CLASH OF THE TITANS!!!

    by wackybantha

    Somehow there is a wormhole that these TITANS use to come to our world.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Or maybe it's the shot-for-shot remake of..............

    by wackybantha

    ....MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Yes, nothing happens.

    by superninja

    <>

  • July 15, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    They've got 6 mos. to go, they're not going to

    by superninja

    be updating info every day I imagine.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Email from Satoshi

    by Ocean Wang

    This is copied verbatim from the email I recieved from satoshi@slusho.jp: -Slusho! loves your mails!! You Can't Drink Just Six!!!- It's an autoreply.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    ME ME ME!!!!

    by choonie

    You Sound like a Big Baby Huey

  • July 15, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Scramble Network: "PARAMOUNT took the Ethan Haas clips"

    by hjrogers

    Paramount did not take down the Ethan Haas clips. <BR><BR> I could put up a series of Voltron JPGs and state that Paramount made me take down the "super secret" stills that I had of the actual movie, so I was putting those up now. <BR><BR> How do you tie in your unrelated game to the Cloverfield trailer? <BR><BR> Put up one of your Ethan Haas videos and claim Paramount made you take the others down. <BR><BR> There is no reason for Paramount/Abrams to lie about the Ethan Haas crap being unrelated. <BR><BR> It's just some no-name company getting a lot of attention for no money.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    wWhy do monsters always go for major landmarks & citys

    by ThePilgrim

    Seriously. Theres the "fuck this lame movie" ideal, Wrapped in a pretty bow. The fucking monster/invaders always destroy major landmaks and citys. They never once go too bumbfuck nowhere too relieve the tension on a trailer park. Fucking hacks repack. Let take Spielberg's WOTW- where it's just a group of people running away from an invading force and not a bunch of need'less characters. Only we see it up all Blair Witch'Like by watching it unfold through the groups camera.---- I wonder if it's them Pepto Bismol Monsters... Nausea, Heartburn, Indigestion, Upset Stomach, Diarrhea!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Reply from Slushozoom

    by techspec

    I got a reply from the website . "It wasnt supposed to happen..it was an accident. intermixed with a bunch of non-sense characters.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    More Viral Clues

    by MasterExploder

    Too bad too many fanyboys are bitching and bickering. I posted this several hours ago, and no one really noticed. slushozoom.com There are more clues. There are extra links at the bottom of the page, and invisotext too. I believe that the UFO portion even references the same Japanese town as the Slusho site (look for the ancient spacemen, or scubadivers who may have been mining the same ingredient that Slusho was made from). In any event, I hope some other people do some sleuthing. This is fun for the challenge alone. Abrams is at least making it interesting.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Why don't people like seeing New York destroyed?

    by The Dum Guy

    Would people prefer seeing Hoboken or Bismark getting whooped on?<br><br>I thought it was common cinematic knowledge that if Tokyo, L.A., or Boggey Creek isn't involved with a monster, then it is New York, New York they/it will go to. Even Gremlins 2 goes with the formula, and Q and, I'm not going to keep on.<br><br>Has anyone got any idea what other sites are out there, 'cause I tried using phrases from the trailer and got jack.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Pilgrim,what you didn't see CRITTERS or SPACED INVADERS

    by Mace Tofu

    or the upcoming AVP2? I think aliens attacked a trailer park in THE LAST STARFIGHTER.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Slusho Zoom

    by Ocean Wang

    At the Slusho Zoom site there is a hidden link to a soft drink called Cocaine and the dangers it poses.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Slusho Zoom

    by Ocean Wang

    At the Slusho Zoom site there is a hidden link to a soft drink called Cocaine and the dangers it poses.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    THE SMOKE MONSTER MOVIE!!!

    by wackybantha

    'Nuff said!!!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Lack of Title, Budget, etc.

    by XandmanFan

    First, I've read some praise for the idea of leaving the title out of the trailer. Has anyone else considered the possibility that JJ hasn't decided on a title yet? Also, I don't know if there are any Firefly fans in here, but I could have sworn the movie Serenity was made for the $30-40 million range. On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised in Moriarty doesn't give us any more news from JJ for a while. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

  • July 15, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    No Monster NY is infected. The bombs= Gov killin Us

    by ThePilgrim

    You might have ruined it Mori. If a cleanup crew is shown in the begining. Then that means that NY city could have become infected with some disease and there was no monster/monsters at all, and the Parasite/Virus/Sickness was making everyone hallucinate, thinking the bombs coming in too eliminate them where monsters. Hope you didn't give away the plot Mori. I mean think about it. It might be called Parasite. If I'm right you better give me Kudos.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    If its a hallucination why

    by Ocean Wang

    If its a hallucination why is it on camcorder?

  • July 15, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Aliens was made for $17 million

    by Mace Tofu

    And that is still the best monster movie. Nuf said.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    The explosions are on the camcorder

    by ThePilgrim

    and people saying stupid shit. The splosions could be missles and bombs. Mix that in with an infection and they are seeing shit that isn't there. People seeing more then what really happened while a disasters occuring is actually very common. What happens then if your seeing shit blow up and your all doped the fuck out. I mean the kids were partying pretty fucking hard, but thats just it they aint high or drunk. they are sick. and those explosions are the the government attacking the plauge before it spreads. How about a wager!

  • July 15, 2007, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Question, Moriarty.

    by cogitosam

    Did some insider tell you directing Cthulhu is wrong, or is there direct evidence it's wrong? There is evidence (suggestive) that it is. I agree that if it's not I am not interested. There have been too many big monsters, and something "new" wouldn't be, and not only would it not be better than big C, it wouldn't even be better than Godzilla (and that's bad). So do you know facts that eliminate Cthulhu?

  • July 15, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Is WILL SMITH in this?

    by Mace Tofu

    HELLLL NOOOO! Pilgrim now your making this sound like the I AM LEGEND prequel.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    They're going for NY because the UN is there.

    by superninja

    If you moved it to Paris they would attack the Eiffel Tower.

  • July 15, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Wow Great minds think alike ganymede3010

    by Mace Tofu

    or is that Hollywood movie plots are alike?

  • July 15, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    If that is the movie and they piss everyone off by

    by superninja

    not explaining how the camcorder recorded all of their hallucinations, I think Abrams could kiss his fanbase goodbye. Needless to say, that's not the movie.

  • July 16, 2007, midnight CST

    This movie is about

    by Its a LION

    the ThunderCats! Someone in the trailer clearly states, "It's a Lion-o!" And you gotta admit, Lady Liberty does look like Mumm-Ra in a certain kind of light. I can understand Lion-o's confusion there.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    It's all been done if I'm wrong then it's lifted from

    by ThePilgrim

    WOTW and The Blair Witch. Think about it... Either get a camcorded group ocount of a night running away from a generic monster, or we get people being wiped out by us- thinking monsters are killing them, because some terrorist unleased a disease. Which one sounds like it will make more money and shock the audiance wiht the twist ending. Plus JJ is talking too much.. He calls the threat The Parisite. Parisites are small orginism, some cause infectious diseases that cause people to experiance all types of weird shit. The movie would be pretty fucked up if everyone in NY was infected. Then the attacks from the military happen, but the panic and illness cause many involved in the attack to think that monsters are killing them. When 911 happened no one knew what was going on. Some where thinking holy shit this is just the appetizer.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    OMFGONAPS!!!!!

    by The Dum Guy

    Oh my freakin God on a pogo-stick, did someone bother making screen-name based on "Its a LION"? For the sake of humanity, I hope you are funny, so please joke away more, while J.J. laughs at the drivel that is being proposed as possible facts.<br><br>I don't see how in the hell you could get away with saying that it is all based on hallucinations, when they are shooting on video, whats the alternative, an invasion of Jihadistsisis with a weaponized hallucinagionic (I don't think that is a word).

  • July 16, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    So it's a $30 million dollar version of BOOK OF SHADOWS

    by Mace Tofu

    I liked BLAIR WITCH 2 better than BLAIR WITCH 1.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    $18 millions, Mace Tofu

    by BadMrWonka

    but I get the point. of course, in my humble opinion, Aliens is nowhere near as good as Alien, and slightly worse than Alien3 (go Fincher!)...the 4th one was kinda sucky though...

  • July 16, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    hey mori which area near orlando?

    by El Borak

    and which years?

  • July 16, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Parasite is what's in Slusho or what Slusho

    by superninja

    is made out of.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Doesn't that sound like 28 Days Later or whatever

    by superninja

    those films are (Resident Evil, etc.)?

  • July 16, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    The trailer didnt show a monster, but you still think

    by ThePilgrim

    There one in the movie. See how that works. Someone yells fire or he's got a gun- in a crowed building, and panic insues. Shit blows up someone says OMFG it's a "#$%^" I saw it. Others here that shit and think. OMG "@#$%" is after them. It worked in trailer form. What do you think would happen in real life form. You see that's how the movie will play out. Shit blows up people scream it over there, they pan the camera in that direction and see nothing but something blowing the fuck up or they avoid doing so (the fear of seeing it phobia) But we, even us not seeing shit believe that something is after them. When it just a bunch of fucking bombs being dropped on them to wipe their asses out, before they spread the parisite outside of the city. We see splosions on film sure, we did in the trailer. We hear crazy it's "@#$#" I saw it and see people run, but no moster and yet we still think it could be a monster. Thats how panic works. You see and do shit you don't noramally see or do, but our group is so in the thick of it that they really believe it's a monster after them. That is until the Goverment Hazmat donning Army brigrade shows up and pops a round in thier heads.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    In the teaser, they repeatedly make references

    by superninja

    to it sounding like an animal and one guy says he saw it and it's huge. The head of the Statue of Liberty appears to be thrown. The camera is angled at street level looking up towards something large. It is preceeded by an earthquake, something large enough causing landmass to shift? If the tanker runs into the statue, it could be caused by something large enough displacing enough water to do that. Where are you getting the government hazmet angle from?

  • July 16, 2007, 12:51 a.m. CST

    knifes makes noises in film too

    by ThePilgrim

    It's a trailer. As Bella said. Pull the strings. A large fucking explosion in hollywoodland could send Liberty's head flying. It falls and rolls. It's holywood! you know the place where knifes makes noise. Where fire sounds like various animal noises, where peoples hair returns to a perfect state after they walk in from the rain or a wind storm. Where punches sound like slapped chicken breast. What if.... wait for it... ........................................ The animal sounds are for the trailer only... or are never fully explained. they could be the sounds of the building falling from far away. Who's too say the trailer is spin. It will play mind games on you. Too take you 8.50 away on 1-18-08

  • July 16, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    no govt

    by Zybon

    Yea, the government has no way to throw the statue of liberty's head like that.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    So the repeated roaring in the same way and

    by superninja

    people saying it sounds like an animal "what kind of animal makes that noise?", I saw it, it's alive, it's huge - not clues, huh? Well, whatever floats yer boat, bud.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    ThePilgrim

    by BadMrWonka

    ignoring the Slusho site, we also have Abrams saying that the line, "it's alive, it's huge" is the most important line of the trailer.<p>it's something big and alive. trust that.<p>anything else is open for debate.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Zybon

    It could also be important because it's the one thing that's not actually true. I'm not saying this is the case, just to not take things at face value.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    If only the GHOSTBUSTERS were running around

    by Mace Tofu

    on the camcorder footage every fifteen minutes chasing some crazy monster. That I would pay $8.50 for lol. Mori's first post said it was a Monster movie but not a Man in suit.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Trust a man of misdirection. Yeah Sure..

    by ThePilgrim

    "it's alive" "it's huge" This is coming from a guy who makes a living on themes involving puzzles and misdirection. Lost suceeds on misdirection then never ending puzzle the constant mysteries without real answers and rather more mysteries. The word Parasite came out of his lips. It's the biggest clue. Outside of a few alien movies including The Blob and John Carpenters The Thing. Parisites at-least the type found on this planet tend to be small things some cause serious symptoms including illness dilusion and death. I'm thinking you all just sore that you didn't think of it first, or that it's too artsy farty and what you really want is a big giant generic monster romping through NY again. How could anyone sell that again after Godzilla Size matters! How many times has a big something invaded New York. Remember Fail-Safe 1964. Oh shit we can be much more scarier then a man in a big green suit. Truth is of all the mosnters and big creatures put on screen non of them have equaled the vile nature we ourself create. I say we are the monsters Build fall making the ground quak and the animals noses the explosion are missiles- fired form ships or planes. Panic ensues. FTW!

  • July 16, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    I just prefer monster movies to the type of movie

    by superninja

    your suggesting is all. You could be right, but it's just one movie, it's not season after season. There has to be some kind of payoff or the cash cow stops mooing.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by Thegipperlives

    The only thing that "We Were the Cool Kids" website talks about is saying Moriarty and everyone on this site are liars. Arthur also says it is easy to prove yet doesn't back this information up with anything. Prove it ya bastard.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Ioo many beers kicking in

    by ThePilgrim

    I meant buildings fall making the ground quake there shifting metal frames cause the animal noises. And the explosions are missles. 7,000 Myspace Gotta Shit Mask Wearing Parisites Gotta Eat Snakes on Optimus Flames Taint in HD DVD before this years little miss sunshines my cock! Shake and Bake!

  • July 16, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    you guys, come on

    by BadMrWonka

    if Lost ended up being on the top of a building, instead of on an island, people would have been pissed as hell.<p>misdirection is one thing, but the general public likes to be tricked DURING the movie, not in the decision making process leading up to it. bruce willis dead in the sixth sense? great. the sixth sense turning out to be a musical? not so much.<p>Abrams wants people talking about this, and speculating on a lot of things. bt it's clear that he put that line in the trailer because he wants people speculating on WHAT it is, not IF it is.<p>maybe it's a monster, maybe an alien, maybe a robot, who knows.<p>but the thing making that huge semi-mechanical roar at the beginning. doesn't that sort of err on the side of "monster"?<p>conspiracy theories are great, but you can't stray so far away from where you started that you lose the plot.<p>so to speak.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:27 a.m. CST

    I'm even more interested in this now

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Cool!

  • July 16, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    "it's alive" "it's huge"

    by polpopolposo

    If the line, "it's alive, it's huge" is the most important line of the trailer, I think that the clue has to be searched in the part “it’s alive”. Maybe it means that the “thing” the guy is talking about is usually not alive. Maybe they are talking about something that is NOW alive… that make me think couldn’t be a giant animal o a monster in general, but more a mechanical thing or a sort of ameba.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Holy Shite, think about it, what is the best parasite?

    by The Dum Guy

    Mankind:::: we live off anything we can eat, and we live in more areas than any other life form known to man, i.e. outer-space, Antartica, beneath the freakin ocean!!!<br><br>What if the freaking parasite (gathered from the tastiest parts of the sea, think Long John Silvers) is consumed by man(woman) and that is what destroys N.Y.<br><br>Maybe, that is the biggest clue, can't drink just six, 'cause what other life-form that we know of that purposely consumes more than it needs, only people... So, "Cloverfield is made of people!! PEOPLE!".

  • July 16, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Whiny fan boys do not have any effect on movie success

    by doctor_gonzo

    Look at Transformers. Nothing but whiny bitching from fan boys and that movie did really well. The overhype won't have a negative effect on the success of the movie. It will be huge because mainstream America will eat it up. Fan boys always overly critical of every idea as soon as its pitched, regardless of how it is pitched. Nothing makes them happy.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    doctor gonzo

    by BadMrWonka

    the fanboys loved that movie. only people that actually care about decent movies, and aren't willing to put aside plot, characterization, etc., bitched about it.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    polpopolposo

    by BadMrWonka

    people keep saying this, but I really think the line is more important so that people don't think it's a movie about terrorism, or war, or malfunctioning equipment.<p>as has been said before, the guy yelling that line, and its inclusion in the trailer, do not need to suggest that this thing isn't expectedly alive, but rather that whatever is causing the damage is alive, as opposed to something un-alive causing it. if this shit happened top me in real life, I'd think terrorism or earthquakes. I'd be surprised to learn that "it" was alive. not because I would have thought it was a giant toaster (something usually not alive) but rather because I would not be expecting some large marine animal filled with japanese deep water processed chemicals.<p>also, you have to defer to my opinion, because I used "its", and not "it's", when it was proper to do so.<p>I'm the man.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Internet Journalism

    by bender7

    Good work on that scoop and I'm sorry about people stealing that story and selling it as their own, but that is the problem with Internet journalism/news. Who knows how many of the millions of stories and articles out there are simply copy-pasted versions from other sources, who may have put in all the effort to try and produce a news worthy piece. The problem is firstly the amount of information on the net is too vast to be effectively monitored for plagiarism. Secondly, the lack of transparency of the articles creation and their sources can make it hard to verify for plagiarism. And also the problem of verifying the original stories and their due credit. The Internet is designed to be quickly changed and edited. As unfair as it is, I guess it is just a thing to accept to a certain degree when you are posting on the net.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    LOL Moriaty is so lame

    by CQuest

    this guy is gettin completely worked up over ONE SCOOP. if you guys were really on your jobs, then one scoop would mean NOTHING. you are treating this like the holy grail, when its really your fault. you handled it badly then, and u are handling it even worse NOW. got damn CRYBABIES. cry me a riveerrrrr

  • July 16, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    I did find it strange...

    by Tourist

    That everyone was calling Voltron, Or Cthulu, or Zilla, considering Moriarty's early article clearly established it as yet another lame, high concept puff piece. Blair Witch, but with Giant Monsters. Yaydom. The website game that generated the most interest wasn't even for this project, and the most incessant viral marketing I've seen for the film so far is AICN itself, which seems to be on a Whedon Cum Drip.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:17 a.m. CST

    weird thing about the credit...

    by Tourist

    The other guys article did contain exclusive material. The other issue is, that your both just tools (literally) being used to dissemninate information for a Paramount product. This isn't a news story. It's not journalism. Your just regurgitating spoon fed shit to build word of mouth on a B movie.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    hiroshima-gojira--9/11 1-18 parallels

    by blonde redhead

    something that i find kind of interesting is that, from the trailer at least, there's a very heavy 9/11 vibe. panic, people in the streets, the camcorders, (lots of my friends shot truckloads of video that day) that sense of total uncertainty. i think one of the reasons people may have latched onto this film as being a gojira remake is because of the fact that it's kind of the same thing that's happening. we drop a bomb on two cities in japan (after basically firebombing the entire country to death anyhow, see errol morris' fog of war) and nine years later, allowing for shooting, they come out with a film which is basically a response to said bombing. only they make it a giant monster movie, because giant monsters are much, much easier to deal with than knowing that members of your family are going to die slowly and painfully from radiation sickness with the patterns of their kimonos still burnt into their skin. we get two planes flying into the twin towers, and seven years later, someone makes a film which looks to be this country's response to a similarly devastating event. giant monster, whether reptilian or lovecraftian or what have you, is much easier to deal with and compartmentalize than knowing there is a small yet vocal and pretty gung-ho group of people who just want to wipe your ass out. i haven't seen this specifically mentioned in this talkback, but i think it's an interesting reaction to what happened in NYC and our collective response to that. if i don't see another thing about this movie i'll be in the theatre opening night, if i get flooded with viral marketing i'll be in the theatre opening night. i think it looks to be an awesome film--though we've clearly seen the money shot already and i'm not sure why, but hey--i don't make movies. i just watch them.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST

    weird thing about the credit...

    by Tourist

    Both writers are tools for Paramount to disseminate cheap advertising through. It's not like we are discussing journalistic ethics here, because there is no journalism present. It's not a scoop, its a leak. They just picked their prefered source for the first go to. Hence the fact that no one outside of geeks gave a shit, and it took more than one advance article to build up the excitment for the trailer. As for it being Voltron? Are you spastic? Why would you hide the fact that its a Voltron movie in the advertising? What could the point possibly be? To build excitment? Isn't that why you buy the rights to Voltron? Because the name itself is a selling point? By the way, I really like Pilgrims theory. It would have made for a more interesting story than Giant Monsters.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:50 a.m. CST

    oh, and it's cthulhu. no apostrophe.

    by blonde redhead

    unless you're spelling it with a q as opposed to a c. the apostrophe comes in to play when you talk about the great city of r'lyeh. yes, i am hoping there's some hint of lovecraft in there. ;)

  • July 16, 2007, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Hi i had to create an account just to say...

    by LastHorcruxIsHarry

    I know that the Voltron nuts have lready been mercilesly spanked raw, but i had to point out something that nobody else mentioned. if it is voltron...WHY THE FUCK ARE THE GOOD GUYS BLOWING UP THE CITY? HMMM?? HMMMMMM??? personally im super intrigued by the whole cthulhu soda company secret sea monster ingredient plot line.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:58 a.m. CST

    alive and huge, alive and huge, alive and huge...?

    by eggs erroneous

    Rosie O'Donnell? she finally reveals her true form as the great destroyer and soft-shoes NYC into oblivion?...could be interesting (btw my first post)

  • July 16, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Err...did some weirdo just say

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    that he preferred Alien (which would be comprehensible) AND Alien 3 (which is utterly ridiculous) over Aliens? What. The. Fuck.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:13 a.m. CST

    The Taste Says:

    by The Taste

    Its probably a remake of that shitty 80's monster movie set in NYC called Q? The Taste has spoken.....

  • July 16, 2007, 5:56 a.m. CST

    I like slurpiegod's

    by uVa

    I like slurpiegod's parasitic copepoda theory. You've done your homework sir!

  • July 16, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST

    MRX67 please explain....

    by LastHorcruxIsHarry

    if it is indeed a voltron movie, explain the city being blown up by "lions" i admit i wasnt the biggest voltron fan, but i thought that they were the "good guys" and to destroy a city sky-scrapers and all would be against their morals. am i wrong? if i am maybe you could explain to me what plot leads up to the good guys (voltron) destroying big innocent city? by the way i really have nothing against you, my friend just thinks the same thing as you but he's an idiot and you know what they say "great asses stink alike..."

  • July 16, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    then why

    by LastHorcruxIsHarry

    is the dude running away from the explosion yelling "its a lion!" ? and also since you love to investigate, then investigate Lovecrafts story call of cthulhu, way more similarities between that and everything surrounding this movie even the slusho site (read the history on the site)

  • July 16, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST

    the light...

    by LastHorcruxIsHarry

    is obviously from an explosion and it only appears to be fluorescent because its being filtered thru all the dust/debris. you just need to admit that this really is more likely to be a million different things. although i guess voltron could be on that list of things, it is not one of the more likely sujects of this movie.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST

    by the by

    by LastHorcruxIsHarry

    check this out: www.myspace.com/he_arrives_011808 and read his blog. then read the history at slusho.jp its really creepy, makes me wonder why all this insanity literally everywhere on the internet to cover up a voltron movie? theres about a thousand movies i'd rather have made, and most people dont even know what the fuck voltron is.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    MRX

    by LastHorcruxIsHarry

    regardless of all i respect that you have the balls to be the one guy saying, fuck all this other shit its for sure voltron. lol. somebody has to do it.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    MRX67

    by BadMrWonka

    remember when I said after I asked you a whole host of specific questions, you were going to run off for a while, then come back later, completely ignoring the factually based evidential questions I asked?<p>man, it sort of happened, didn't it?<p>I'm now convinced you're just having a laugh. the oven mitt thing totally sold me.<p>but hey, I wish you luck. I felt bad for you when I thought you were just a conspiracy wacko, but a more stupid one than usual. spewing logical fallacies (I mentioned them one by one, but of course, you ignored them)...but now that I'm convinced you're just trying to poke fun at all of us, I wish you the best of luck. hell, I'll even come to your defense!<p>(I especially liked the "I'm not a Voltron fan" part...that wasw priceless...<p>best of luck, brother...I guess we all need a little humor in our lives...

  • July 16, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    also

    by BadMrWonka

    the bit about the pic being "lighted" when it's obviously a cloud of smoke and debris. boy...<p>just the right amount of crazy.<p>I hope AICN makes a new talkback so you can start over with a whole new group of people. the ones on this talkback might be, you know, tainted. if you get to start fresh, it'll be a helluva lot funnier.<p>(p.s. yell at me again for being insulting, and not giving you any "facts"...it'll get everyone riled up, since we've all given them to you 10 times and you've ignored them...trust me, it'll be great!)

  • July 16, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    also

    by BadMrWonka

    the bit about the pic being "lighted" when it's obviously a cloud of smoke and debris. boy...<p>just the right amount of crazy.<p>I hope AICN makes a new talkback so you can start over with a whole new group of people. the ones on this talkback might be, you know, tainted. if you get to start fresh, it'll be a helluva lot funnier.<p>(p.s. yell at me again for being insulting, and not giving you any "facts"...it'll get everyone riled up, since we've all given them to you 10 times and you've ignored them...trust me, it'll be great!)

  • July 16, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    My Theory

    by Scramble Network

    There is no monster. Some kind of freak accident causes the explosion, the "giant monster" theory takes hold with the crowds, and the film follows people's reactions to it. Sort of like the stories of people who heard WAR OF THE WORLDS on the radio. That's how you can do it all with camcorders, for $30 Million. No monster, just the idea of a monster.

  • July 16, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    D-War (Dragon War) is similar.

    by Monks

    Quite a similar film by the looks of it. It's based in Los Angeles i think. the hero is called Ethan. Funny eh. Made by Koreans (Host creators i think) and done on a small budget also. Check the website. www.d-war.com

  • July 16, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    What The Fuck?!

    by MasterExploder

    Before, when you went to slushozoom.com and clicked on the image of the messed-up turtle (which was probably some sort of clue), it used to lead you to a Japanese UFO website. But now the site is GONE! I was poking around on the website last night, and I found sections about ancient spacemen/sea explorers. They were found off the coast of Honshu, the same island form the slusho.jp website! Furthermore, there was also a section about mysterious objects FALLING out of the sky. Besides meteors (THE TRAILER!), they talked about a white cloud of possibly a living organism descending upon towns. COULD THAT BE THE WHITE CLOUD DESCENDING UPON THE ACTORS IN THE LATEST PHOTO FROM THE 11808 WEBSITE?! I think so. The secret ingredient in Slusho turns people into monsters. The aliens started it. The invisotext describes an extinct race coming back to defeat humans, perhaps from the sea. They are spreading their other secret ingredient with their flying meteors. But now it doesn't matter. That photo and website are GONE! They have been replaced by, gasp, A PHOTO OF THE STATUE OF LIBERTY!!! That leads to another link about children or cheese. I haven't figured it out yet. Basically, the invisotext says "Nothing is as it seems". I think that means we are supposed to poke around as many of the links as possible. If anyone is interested, I'll keep them posted.

  • July 16, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    The Suspense is...

    by BeyondStatic

    ... interesting. JJ Abrams may be a genius. Or he may just be lucky. I can't decide. If nothing else he knows good property when he sees it.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    MORE NERD INFO!

    by MasterExploder

    An ad on the Japanes UFO link that disappeared was about biblical maps for sale. The ad specifically pointed out Seth, the third son of Adam and Eve. The invisotext does mention a lost tribe. If you wikipedia Seth, it describes his involvment in Armageddon. Abrams ought to pay me for all of the free advertising I'm providing for his flick!

  • July 16, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    BTW...

    by MasterExploder

    ...The "Seth" wikipedia entry was altered two days ago. Perhaps by Mr. Abrams' crew? And the donation portion of slushozoom is being closed.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Just think of the good that could be done in the world.

    by Rantman

    If we all stopped analyzing and obsessing over a film that's given very little info other than a cool trailer.....come on people- I've got my sites on world peace- anyone fancy analyzing that to this extent? Cancer anyone? The common cold. Let's just wait and see about the film and maybe try something constructive.......by the way- Kirk IS an asshole.....it would seem

  • July 16, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    New Set Pic

    by cloverfield2008

    New set pic shows utter destruction showthread.php?p=308&posted=1#post308

  • July 16, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Geez, no one's allowed to have fun on this site anymore

    by Abin Sur

    We've already had posters nagging us about paying more attention to this movie than the current political climate, and now we've got to go fret over world peace, cancer AND the common cold? Rantman, you sound like a nice guy, but have you considered that a lot of us can MULTI-task and think about more than one thing at a time? And besides, me posting on a web site telling people to wash their hands so they don't spread cold germs will not do that much. Let's leave this entertainment site for entertainment, shall we?

  • July 16, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    My Theory (yes it's not serious)

    by maeljw

    Ok, so we've heard Voltron, Godzilla, Cthulhu, etc as the various theories. But guess what..they are all wrong. JJ has fooled us all, what we have here is.... A BIG BUDGET PORNO!!! Ok heres the facts starting with the slusho site: 1) The fish is thinking of swiss cheese: well we have all heard the vagina smelling like fish jokes, and swiss cheese is full of..holes. Obvious reference. 2) The horse, which is not a horse at all..its a donkey..or more correctly..an ASS. And it is thinking of a mitt, something you use to protect yourself..obvious reference to condoms. 3) The slogan: the bet you cant drink just 6, obvious reference to swallowing. 4) The "substance" in the slusho cups, I don't think I need to explain that one. The trailer: 1) The going away party: obviously an orgy. 2) The roar: some people have also claimed its a woman's voice as well.. well its just a really deep and loud moan of pleasure. 3) The ground shaking: obvious really. 4) The explosion: a really really good orgasm. And the debris flying from it? She a squirter with a bad STD. 5) The "I've seen it!! It's alive!! It's huge!!" line: Ron Jeremy obviously has a cameo. 6) The head flying? Thats easy, Ron missed his mark on the money shot, hit the Statue of Liberty launching her head towards midtown. The reason for the hand held video cam look? So it looks more like amateur porn and so that nothing gets really shown, keeping the rating down to just R as opposed to NC-17. And the real clincher: Cloverfield codename. Obviously a fantasy of Mr. Abrams or someone involved in the making of this project. (obviously this is all a joke..but its just as plausible at this point as some of the other theories ;) )

  • July 16, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!

    by WHTROVER

    I figured it out, it's...........Ghostbuster 3: Revenge of the StayPuff Marshmellow Man

  • July 16, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I think MRX67 has issues.

    by BillyPilgrim

    Keep hope alive MRX67! You're the Forrest Gump of Voltron supporters!

  • July 16, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    voltron

    by infosys

    hecho en mexico? por favor! ba sucko mucho asso

  • July 16, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Voltron should be good....

    by DaBUU

    I'm still with you MRX67, It's Voltron!

  • July 16, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Voltron should be good....

    by DaBUU

    I'm still with you MRX67, It's Voltron!

  • July 16, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Moriarty is a whiney BITCH

    by nooneimportant

    I mean really, talk about a hissy pissy fit up above. So the fuck what that someone stole your scoop. It's not really causing you any money or fame dude. It was a fucking local news site, maybe 10 people saw it. Jesus, did you go around searching for any stories about this damn movie that didn't credit YOU as the SUPREME DISTRIBUTOR OF GOSSIP over this damn movie?? Get a life asshole. You prove with every post what a cocksucker you really are in life.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    He doesn't know either...

    by DaBUU

    so I guess Moriarty knows what the movie is about then, if hes so confidant in knowing what its not. Jj must of confided in only him.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    nooneimportant

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Your name couldn't be more appropriate.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Could this be Superman II?

    by Lang The Cat

    The monster is "Parasite". If it is Superman, the fight scenes could include damage to the Statue of Liberty. Maybe all we are seeing is a teaser for Superman II.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    nooneimportant

    by BillyPilgrim

    Thanks for your enlightened contribution to the overall discussion sir! You have shown what a great resource of knowledge the internets can truly be. Excelsior!

  • July 16, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Thanks uVa

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Now if we could run the creature's "roar" through a filter, to see what it would sound like UNDERWATER......

  • July 16, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    also nooneimportant....

    by BillyPilgrim

    I thank you for allowing me to get my daily requirement of irony so soon today. The Irony council appreciates your efforts.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Questions

    by DaBUU

    Has JJ Abrams said there is enough clues out there to sufficiently solve thie? If someone does figure it out how would we know? Is he fessing up once hes sees its solved? this all might be pointless if we have to wait till 1-18-08 either way.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I think I unleashed Cthulhu last night.

    by Maldoror

    I said his name out loud, and this morning there's a 6.6 earthquake near here. Then a 4 earthquake this afternoon, then a 4.8 earthquake this evening. There's also flood warnings here in Osaka, and heavy electrical storms which are normally rare. Then there's been this growling outside...

  • July 16, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Like the Superman Returns angle

    by liljuniorbrown

    I mean Parasite is a Supes villan and it would work. I've read the Voltron script online and I'm excited about that flick ,but honestly if this movie actualy shows the giant monster and not just shadows and dust then we could really have something here. I magine seeing something like this live on CNN,crazy.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Great trailer.

    by Thump

    Did just what it needed to.. generate buzz.. This talkback has spun so far out of control. was the point of the news posting just an "I told you so"? I will never get these last 15 mins back... I am psyched about this movie but I guess I will have to be alot more careful digging for info.. and I would love to see the Blair witch comments put in a drawer.. EVERY thing shot with a handheld does not need to be referenced back to the blair witch... and then tagged "no thanks". the depth of that argument boggles me.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I've learned something today...

    by emp

    1. There is something called "Voltron"<br> 2. People who claim to hate this site and everyone who works for it, actually spends a lot of time here.<br> 3. Some of the funniest shit you'll ever read can be found in AICN talkbacks.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    LOST again !!!

    by rguerr2

    As someone stated earlier, “All Questions, No answers” the Abrams way. Trailer is intriguing and first thing that hit me; looks like M. Night Shyamalan's SIGNS. By this I mean that in SIGNS we got a film that shows us a view of a alien invasion as seen from the eyes of some small town family. This means it could be good if it is done right.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    A question about the Kirk Montgomery article...

    by ToxicBob

    If that article was made comepletly from information from other articles, then where did he get the info that the line "I saw it, it's alive, it's huge." and the sound the creature makes are very important clues, since that mentioned in any of the articles here?

  • July 16, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Kirk Montgomery is a twat

    by MontyPigeon

    Lets get things straight here, Asshole is too good a word for him. Mori once again shows he is the driving force of this website. Best writer on here and least biased.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GreenGeezer

    Still on the Voltron trip?

  • July 16, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Alrighty then

    by GreenGeezer

    lets get crack'n and see if we can, rather than continually arguing over what it may be, lets focus on what we know.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Yay! Bubba MRX67!!

    by BillyPilgrim

    Voltron is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, Voltron-kabobs, Voltron creole, Voltron gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple Voltron, lemon Voltron, coconut Voltron, pepper Voltron, Voltron soup, Voltron stew, Voltron salad, Voltron and potatoes, Voltron burger, Voltron sandwich. That- that's about it.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    JJ Abrams is one sick puppy

    by emp

    He sits at home and jerks off to his google analytics screen. The mysteries he creates are more like "Guess what number I am thinking of?" than anything else. But bored as I am, I love it.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Irony...

    by Dominic-Vobiscum

    It's kind of funny that you would complain about someone passing off your "journalism" as theirs when this site is infamous for doing that very thing. Remember the war between you and Dark Horizons and Coming Attractions over that very thing? Yeah. I do.

  • July 16, 2007, noon CST

    Not when agent

    by BillyPilgrim

    MRX67 is on the job.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    robotic roar?

    by rhialto

    Pass that Dutch.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Rumor Control or Damage Control?

    by epevensie

    I will be disappointed if the film plays out as found footage from a camera discovered in the rubble, as this implies that the destruction we see in the trailer is merely King Kong-sized, and not full-scale apocalyptic. I note, however, that in his rundown of various theories which we should now consider discredited, Moriarty neglected to mention the Book of Revelations, Biblical end-of-the-world scenario; accordingly, I remain hopeful that the movie will more on its mind than cool scenes of stuff blowing up real good. <p> Furthermore, notwithstanding all denials, I’m still not ready to toss out the possible Cthulhu connection. Again, the Lovecraftian themes hinted at in the Slusho! history cannot be ignored, and for a monster movie, Cthulhu is simply and easily iconic; as Red Ned Lynch noted, “saying Lovecraftian in this case is pretty much just a way to differentiate dumb monster from directed monster and random rampage from something with deeper and or broader implications.” While I would always be keen to see a gorgeous-but-dumb giant monster movie, its would be nice if the makers would invest it with something more significant than special effects.<p> I’ve no particular yearning to see to a specifically Lovecraftian theme, and would personally be gleeful if the the filmmakers steered towards the “Beast of the Sea” from the Book of Revelations, and the entire Biblical catalog of disaster. That said, my guess is that the film might try to have it all ways, with the creature connected to apocalyptic monsters referenced in the similar religious traditions of all cultures - i.e., a Universalist approach to the end-of-the-world by giant monster foot. In any case, I’d welcome any kind of resonant metaphysical overtones which might elevate the film above its apparent mad-scientist experiment-gone-wrong elements.<p> Finally, I think it should be noted that most of the speculation concerning Lovecraft began in the wake of Harry’s July 6, 2006 column, in which Harry passed on an email promoting the Ethan Haas link and suggested that a Cthulhu element would be “unbelievably cool.” Harry asked, “Is JJ playing with Cthulhu? Is this film about the ancients returning to tear our world asunder? Is it really going to be captured entirely through hand held cameras operated by us mere ants? OR - is that just the marketing push?” <p>Now we have Moriarty telling us that, when he wrote his first story in late June, “I didn’t realize that Abrams was going to be pursuing a sort of veil of complete secrecy around the film, and I didn’t know he’d be creating a game leading up to the release. I actually feel bad that we sort of spelled it out as completely as we did. The one thing that he should be happy about is that no one really knew what the hell CLOVERFIELD was, so they didn’t read the article when I ran it. It certainly didn’t set the world on fire until people saw the trailer themselves, at which point we got flooded with e-mails asking, “What is that trailer? Why don’t you know anything about it yet?” <p>Seemingly, “we” is Moriarty and Harry. But what was it that they “spelled out... completely” - the Cthulhu connection, or the fact that the film was going to be a giant monster movie filmed by camcorder? If it is the first, we’re very ahead of the marketing campaign; if it is the second, there are probably few other “clues” to be found, as everything to be seen is self-evident. <p>Finally, speculation concerning the Ethan Haas/Lovecraft connection was supported by the fact that one of the actresses in Cloverfield starred in “The Class,” which concerned a character named “Ethan Haas” (anyone know another Ethan Haas?) who was a young pediatrician who throws a surprise party for his fiancé in which he invites members of the third-grade class where the couple met. I never saw any episodes of the series, but find it interesting that the Cloverfield trailer features a group of young people (including “The Class”star Lizzy Caplan) who are also at a surprise party. Accordingly, the possibility was very good that the name of the site (“Ethan Haas was right/wrong”) was an inside joke and that the Lovecraft elements hinted at on the site would appear in the movie. Even given the denials, it seems to me that inquiring minds might want to check out exactly what Ethan Haas might have said in the show which could have relevance to Cloverfield.<p> Finally, the rpg Alpha Omega appears to have elements of both Lovecraft (the old ones, etc.) and Christian theology (angels, etc.).

  • July 16, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Kirk Montgomerty is a douche

    by Sinister_Citizen

    He went to my video school in Michigan and is a flaming douche bag...

  • July 16, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    to your credit

    by GreenGeezer

    there's a hidden counter (probably already mentioned) at the licence plate website http://www.abz3293.com/ in the upper right hand corner...but it hasnt changed in days..the number listed is 208795120. Any thoughts? I've tried number ciphers, and am still working on possible anagrams related to them.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Mystery with no anwers.

    by Captain Atom

    I'm thinking, with Abrams propensity for supplying mysteries with no answers, that maybe then monster has no name and will not really be seen. The original Godzilla was an allegory for the a-bomb attacks on Japan. Much of what has been seen so far on Cloverfield smacks of the aftermath of 9-11, with people fleeing through choking clouds of dust. It's been pretty reliably stated that the whole movie is from the perspective of a video recorder found in the rubble. So maybe we just see the devastation of the monster, like in the trailer, without ever actually seeing it. We just let our imaginations fill in Godzilla, Cthulu, Night of Lepus, or what the fuck ever. But the intent seems to be to draw the parallel of how Godzilla was originally, before the series got silly, about Japan getting the piss knocked out of it by the unstoppable atomic juggernaught of the United States. In easier to digest monster movie form. This will be more in the style of a terrorist attack, out of the blue.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    http://www.abz3293.com/

    by rhialto

    is a fake site.

  • July 16, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    And this is why he is a douche...

    by Sinister_Citizen

    http://tinyurl.com/38weyw

  • July 16, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    I think

    by GreenGeezer

    its statements like calling people "Goddamn idiots" that get you accused of trolling Kurz...as to the licence site, MRX, I know he won't confirm or deny it. Trying to re-compile my notes, and I also know that the site has been mentioned and confirmed/denied on other talkbacks...never by JJ, just by us... thought it was odd that a counter wouldnt change over 4 days..

  • July 16, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Quick question, Memories-Of-Murder...

    by emp

    Transformers or MI:3? Which would you choose if forced to watch again?

  • July 16, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    GORGO! GORGO! GORGO!

    by TheBloop

    Hope it is remake of that lost English classic

  • July 16, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    The Grays???

    by wushumonk

    could be...Whitley Streiber's book says that it's soon to be a major motion picture in 2008....but there's nothing on imdb about it...nadah....and michael bay is doing 2012? the sequel to the grays? hmmmm...apparently sony is doing the grays.....but there's no info on it.....

  • July 16, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    MRX67, for the love of God, shut up!

    by emp

    We all know that you'll disappear when your bogus shit is debunked, so we will never have the pleasure of reading your "I was wrong" comment.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I'm so glad he's back

    by BadMrWonka

    MRX67, do you have paypal? I'm willing to put $100 up (3rd party bet) that it's not Voltron.<p>time to find out if you're joking or not...

  • July 16, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    people...people...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    MRX67 is NOT serious. He simply CANNOT be. But he IS the most consistently entertaining talkbacker on here. I encourage everyone to encourage him.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    also

    by BadMrWonka

    I'll give you 5-1 odds...so you just have to put in $20, I put in $100...<p>anyone willing to hold the money in their paypal account til the movie comes out? I'll trust anyone that's on the talkbacks a lot, although I would prefer it to be Prof Ikamono. he's a sweetheart.<p>I hope this doesn't make MRX67 leave again.<p>but alas, I DO have to leave. I'll leave you with a quote from Mori:<p>"I'll Say This Clearly...<br> ... this is not a VOLTRON film...This is not a remake of someone else's property. It's an original idea that Abrams sold to Paramount last year. Drew Goddard is writing it. The VOLTRON project that Justin Marks is writing is still moving forward. They are not related. I'm not speculating, either. I'm telling you that's exactly how it is, and if you spend the next six months invested in this being VOLTRON and then complain because it's not, you'll have no one to blame but yourself. You're delusional. And there's no reason for it, since you'll get a VOLTRON movie... this just isn't it."<p>denial is a helluva drug, MRX67. (by the by, I hope th "67" is not in reference to your birth year. if you are 40...oh man...I....sigh...you should know better after that much time on this planet.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    BTW, Wonka...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Do you have a blog or a web-site set-up fot the movie you have in development? I'm curious to check it out. Good for you and best of luck!

  • July 16, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I'll hold your money, Wonka...

    by Abin Sur

    Would I lie?

  • July 16, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Yup. It's a little indie flick with a $200,000 budget. About Voltron.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks Mori

    by monorail77

    Another great article and some good smackdown of those deserving! (including in the TB's). This site is still the shit, more than ever. Keep up the awesome work. I hope you get paid well, you deserve it.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Seriously, though...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Why is that funny?

  • July 16, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    mrx67

    by rdsxfan8

    this is totally outta control now. heres what you need to do. PROVE TO US beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is indeed what you say it is. we dont have to prove to you anything. we ( for the most part) are all in agreement that your wrong, so now prove to us your right. and dont just give us conjectures give us hard hitting irrefutable facts ( ya know those things that cant be disproven) if your so sure of yourself and willing to "sit back in the peanut gallery and have a chuckle or two" than make us non believers ( the majority of us on here) believers. it shouldnt be so hard for you since your so sure of yourself now should it? and the things you think you know to be true right now cheese=france, france is a place where voltron goes, ovenmitt= flaming sword of voltron, etc... have been and will continue to be refuted. whether or not you choose to ignore that your so called "facts" can be refuted is another thing entirely.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Dude, Wonka says he's making a movie...and unlike a lot of other people on here, I generally give people the benefit of the doubt unless they seem to contradict themselves, etc. Now, Wonka seems to know a bit about movies, so I don't really have any reason to doubt him...after all, he didn't say he was making the next big sci-fi blockbuster or some other grandiose claim. I mean, I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt ever since you said you were a detective, when (if you're serious) it's obvious you couldn't even detect a Catholic in a convent.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I'm on here a lot, too, because I work from home--on my computer--and get bored very easily...

  • July 16, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    This is JJ "Lost" Abrams so...

    by chrisd

    just like "Lost", shouldn't you expect a lot of hype and promise, and no follow through? Makes me even more pessimistic about Star Trek. (sigh)

  • July 16, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Kurzinski

    by rhialto

    You are a troll you goddamn idiot. Everyone was very patiently trying explain to you what they meant by Lovecraftian, what the guy's influence and style and tropes are, and that they didn't really know if it was Cthulhu or not. And all you did was stand on your desk and throw shit at people.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I've done the research MRX67 aka "Bubba Voltron".

    by BillyPilgrim

    This is what I've found. The next Spiderman movie will involve Voltron. Wonder Woman have Voltron in it. Indy 4 will have Voltron in it. Lucas is going to have Voltron in the Star Wars TV project. The Census Bureau announced that Voltron will become the most popular name for children in Bangladesh by 1/18/08. Area 51 has been developing their own Voltron weapon. This is the clincher : Godzilla held a press conference stating that the Cloverfield movie is about him having lunch with Voltron and Cthuhlu. Apparently the Old One walks out on the bill. They were going to use the title "The trouble with Cthuhlu". But JJ put the kibosh on that. So there you have it. ALL of the truth is out there. Just like the X-files told us.

  • July 16, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    on the site

    by emeraldboy

    with the pictures of Japanese Woman with fan, statue of Liberty, the icon that says hot bath. If you click on the picture of the woman with the fan you get taken to an imdb page about a japanese movie made in 1966 called Furankenshutain no kaijû: Sanda tai Gairain fact here is the full story: An experimental lab animal called a gargantua escapes from his captors and is suspected to be the creature that is killing people all over the countryside. But when the gargantua from the lab appears at the same time as the evil gargantua, the two begin to battle across Japan. Written by Todd A. Bobenrieth {TAB146@PSUVM.EDU} A freighter is attacked by a giant octopus during a stormy night. The octopus is then attacked buy a hairy green giant. The gargantua then turns his attention to the ship and sinks it killing and eating all the crew except for one. When the surviving crew member tells the police what happened, they call in Doctor Paul Stewart and his assistant Akemi. Several years earlier, Stewart had a younger species of the same creature and it is feared that the monster has grown up and now views man as an enemy. After several attacks, the monster is cornered in a forest in a mountain area of Japan, and is nearly killed when shot with lasers and nearly electrocuted. Just before it dies a second, bigger brown monster arrives and saves it. This is the creature that Stewart had at his lab now all grown up to over 100 feet tall. The brown one then takes the green monster away to help it recover, not knowing his "brother's" evil nature. After the green monster recovers sufficiently, he resumes his rampage. But when he stops to rest, the brown one finds out how evil his brother is and soon the two begin to fight. The green one then runs off and soon heads for Tokyo. While he is there, he grabs Akemi and is about to eat her when the brown one arrives. The green monster drops Akemi, severely injuring her. The two monsters then resume their fight and eventually wind up in Tokyo Bay where napalm bombs are dropped on them, seemingly killing them. Written by Brian Washington {Sargebri@earthlink.net} Japanese version: The sole survivor of a Japanese fishing boat is hospitalized in extreme shock, and later tells a story that no one wants to believe. In the woods, campers and hikers disappear and leave only chewed-up clothes, and other people report sightings of hairy giants. An American scientist investigates, then a Japanese scientist recounts what happened years earlier in Furankenshutain tai chitei kaijû Baragon (1965). He had found a mutated feral boy with a flat head, named it Frankenstein, and it grew 20 feet tall, rampaged, and was destroyed. Now there is another Frankenstein, only it is 100 feet tall with brown fur all over. There also is a second monster just like it, only with green skin and fur, and it eats people. Both had grown out of fragments of the first monster's body. Both Frankensteins are nearly indestructible, both team up against the armed forces, and more monsters can grow from them. Then these Frankensteins turn against each other and wage a battle to the bitter end, with the city of Tokyo as their battle arena. American version: same as above, only the monsters are named Gargantuas, the green Gargantua had grown from a piece of the brown Gargantua's body, and the brown Gargantua's origin is unknown. Written by QQQ-2

  • July 16, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    BillyPilgrim

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Dude, don't be fucking ridiculous. Area 51 doesn't make movies.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Oh, wait...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    You said they were making a Voltron weapon...nevermind.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    SLUSHO ZOOM IS FAKE.

    by rhialto

    FAKE SITE PEOPLE. As is, not real. As in, some crap some people made up. As in, any time you spend building a theory off of is a total waste of time.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Man, this site...

    by ebonic_plague

    I used to post here until I was banned for musing on the historical merits of political assassination after the 2004 election, but this shit in this talkback is so comical I had to wade in. Only talkbackers would think, "He said, 'It's a Lion,' therefore it must be Voltron!" Yeah, a giant robot comprised of mechanical lions will be attacking NYC in a Blair Witch style mockumentary. Also, where do they grow these idiots with the trivial blood vendettas towards Mori and the staff here? All I know is that this shit better be Lovecraft or some kinda straight up mythical being/apocalypse situation, because if it's "Lost: The Movie" I'm saving my money and time for the Rev. Tori Spelling's version of Cthulhu.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    mrx67

    by rhialto

    Work? You did work? I don't think you know what that means.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Kurzinski

    by rhialto

    We all know what's in the trailer. We also only have the Slusho history site right now as possible backstory. That story is crawling with Lovecraft. Family obsession, creatures in the sea contacting people in dreams, transformation into sea creatures. Sure, maybe none of it will factor into the movie at all. But if you don't see the Lovecraft in that you either don't know your Lovecraft or are pretty dense. People have put this way better than me before in this talkback though, and all we get from you is derision out of both ignorance and your claim that we all theink it's Cthulhu.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    there's no damn scooby dooing to be done

    by rhialto

    This thing isn't even an ARG yet. These guys are making a monster movie. There's some creepy shit on the related Slusho site that might be a hint to the plot or might not. There is no conspiracy to make a Voltron movie, and nothing to go on until they give us more to chew on. Honestly MX, if you aren't pulling our collective leg, you're like that messed up kid in gradeschool who never learned the difference between bad and good attention. You're so wrapped up in your own delusion the rest of us can't even get a grip on where you;re coming from.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    good point

    by rhialto

    Think I'll go outside for a while.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    MRX67, enough with the internet slang...

    by Abin Sur

    I'm not gonna get into the Voltron thing, but DUDE, you're throwing ROFL and ROFLMAO around like its 1994 and you just got 10 free hours on AOL. It's causing some of us brain damage.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    mrx67

    by rdsxfan8

    ok heres where and why people have a problem with you. your now claiming that other peolpe are lazy and waiting for others to do their work for them. all we're asking you to do is take a minute , post a link or something and give us indisputable evidence to support your case. how is that us not willing to do work? we're not the ones trying to prove a truth here. other people are just spitting out ideas but you claim to KNOW what this project is all about. I for one am doing my own lil bit of research over here, with nothing to show for it yet, so I dont sit here and throw out ridicuolous ideas that have been proven false. what more proof do you need that your theory is wrong? do you need a giant voltron to pop outta this tb and slap you in the face and say "dude 1-18-08 ( or whatever its being called now) and me arent the same project... get over it" the idea that your not at all serious about this and just sitting back having a laugh at the expense of people like me who continuously come here and call you out is starting to make sense to me. all you wanna do is throw something out there, give a few so called facts to support it ( which have been debunked) than sit back and ignore everything else while claiming to have a so called "v word ban" imposed by oneself. this will be my final post/rant about you because its obvious to me that the more I continue to call you out, the more it adds fuel to a dead fire of a voltron movie.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Viral marketing = Nipples on Voltron

    by emp

    I can't even begin to explain how much this shit bugs me. It serves no fucking purpose!<p>Does the average moviegoer think "YEAH, I'm gonna watch this because it has a secret title!"? NO.<p>Does this marketing shit affect us geeks? Nope, we'll watch it anyway. JJ Abrams + TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION of New York is guaranteed to attract most geeks.<p>So why this meaningless mystery shit? It's a waste of time and money.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Ok, I give up...

    by emp

    VOLTRON MOVIE BY JJ! YEAH!!1 THIZ ROXX!!!11!ONEONEOE<p>FIND THE CLUES, YOU SCOOBY DOOS! YOU CAN'T FIND JUST SIX! I HAVE A HINT: IT'S VOLTRON!! YEAH!!!11ONEONE!1!

  • July 16, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    seriously

    by LastHorcruxIsHarry

    the next person to make the stay-puff marshmallow man joke is the stupidest jerk-off on the entire internet.

  • July 16, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure the light post is there- you can't see

    by Novaman5000

    the light because those posts are a few stories tall... Maybe i'm crazy, but I see the post that gets bowled over and it's there in the beginning as well...

  • July 16, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    MRX67 = JETTL93???

    by just pillow talk

    No?

  • July 16, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    OH JESUS I GOT IT!

    by BillyPilgrim

    You cant drink just six! There are seven letters in VOLTRON! Seven is more than six! That's it! I'm so sorry MRX67. I should have never doubted your genius!!!!

  • July 16, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Has anyone considered...

    by Abin Sur

    That Moriarty may be LYING to us (well, not about the Voltron part) in order to help JJ further this marketing plan? It seems that after the pooch screw that was the Lost season finale TB, it's entirely possible that Mori is helping with the misdirection as a way to get back "in" with JJ and his group. REMEMBER, he said there is no "C'Thulhu" in the movie - that could be a TECHNICALLY honest statement, since in all the Cthulhu spellings THAT ain't one of them. And I know the mythos pretty well. This might all be BS, but it's worth chewing on...

  • July 16, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Ah HA!!!

    by Woggie

    It's a Roid Rage movie based on the Four horseman! Dean Malenko was one of the last members of the horseman and one of his finishers was called the "Texas Cloverleaf". Coincidence? I don't think so cowboy!

  • July 16, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    you want clues you got em

    by rdsxfan8

    ok new update to the slusho page. it appears they have taken down the horse/donkey thinking of the oven mitts. it isnt there anymore. but the fish thinking of SWISS cheese still is. hmmmm interesting

  • July 16, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    rdsxfan8

    by Woggie

    Nope. Horsie is still there. He does disappear after he passes once though. If you haven't refreshed in a while....

  • July 16, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    but we aren't trying that hard

    by rhialto

    The Slush history is a very Lovecraft story for several, specific reasons.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    The damned oven mitt...

    by BillyPilgrim

    it all comes down to the damned oven mitt.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    mother of god

    by rhialto

    We're talking about very specific reasons why the story on Slusho.jp is in the style of Lovecraft. We're not talking about any fucking monster movie. How many times do I have to repeat this shit?

  • July 16, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    YOU ARE ALL WRONG!

    by irrelevntelefant

    cloverfield is code for tomato patch... slusho is a japanese v-8 drink.... HE'S REMAKING "ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOS" YAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

  • July 16, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    The Slusho History Is Much More "Lovecraftian"

    by dixieflyer

    than most other monster movies, that is all people are trying to say.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    And I'm saying...

    by rhialto

    Just because you "can" do that to "any" story does NOT mean that I and other people are doing it to THIS one. I'm talking about ONE story. The one on Slusho.jp. It has SEVERAL elements of Lovecraft including family obsession, tragedy, and sea creatures contacting people in dreams to do their bidding. But those are so common, right? I mean, that was Godzilla all over not to mention King Kong.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Its RAMPAGE!

    by Moo Cow

    The arcade game turned movie.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Waaahhhhh!!!

    by SpookyOtaku

    Somebody took credit for my work...big deal Mori, yes you broke the story...and I suppose you deserve credit but don't go crying cause some asshole tries to pass it off as his own, does it really matter when your original story probably saw many more hits than his plagiarized scoop. If you have nothing to write about, don't write anything...spare us the fucking bitch filler. As for the trailer, i think it was genius....and to those of you saying that Abrams leaves us hanging in Lost...that would be Cuse and Lindlehoff...they are the ones that write the show...Abrams created it and wrote maybe three episodes.

  • July 16, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Horse / Mitt Fish / Cheese

    by SLURPIEGOD

    I hit a wall there too. Closest I could come to was Fish + Swiss Cheese = Swedish Fish, A candy as well as a mixed drink. The Oven Mitt / Horse thing escapes me, Does anyone know the Japanese words for them?

  • July 16, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    sounds..

    by GreenGeezer

    has anyone managed to isolate and play with the sound the beatie makes?

  • July 16, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I'm telling you, it's

    by Its a LION

    Thunda-Thunduh-ThundaCats: HOOOOOOOOOO!

  • July 16, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Oven Mitt and Cheese

    by Ritocal

    Putting those together makes me think of fondue. But considering that Fondue is swiss, not japanese, no clue.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Horse + Mitt +Fish + Cheese

    by ATOBOB

    I have been trying to solve this much like the old game of concentration...

  • July 16, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Sounds

    by SLURPIEGOD

    I have a hunch, if listened to underwater, it might approximate whale song. It has the structure similar to speeded up recorded whalesong. Now of course Chewbacca's roar was a lion and a vaccum, but thats neither here nor there. If the roar is a clue, thats as good a place as any to start. <p> Spectrographs came in handy during the Year Zero campaign, might work here as well. <p> Now me and my hunch are off to ring some bells

  • July 16, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Horse Stuff

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Is there a Seahorse that becomes toxic when heated? Or becomes hot as a defense? Any Oceanographers out there? Ganu? You need gloves to handle seahorses because of the protective spiny things, but why a Oven Mitt?

  • July 16, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    I have quit my job to solve this mystery...

    by emp

    Now all I have to do is find the missing link. So far I got:<br><br> X = (Oven mitt + Lion) * ((Seahorse^slusho) / (Cthulhu - 6))

  • July 16, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Shrinky-Dinks?

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Damn, I was looking foward to the fondu.... I mean you could still eat the shrinky dinks, but still, not the same

  • July 16, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    SEE?

    by SLURPIEGOD

    If you had covered your friends in cheese and chocolate and eaten them in the first place, this would never have happened.

  • July 16, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Egads

    by SLURPIEGOD

    I apologize for that . I must be hungry. Or Dahlmer. Or both....

  • July 16, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Shabu Shabu

    by Ritocal

    Following along a Fondue line of thought (mostly because i'm hungry right now)... Shabu Shabu is a traditional Japanese fondue plate. It is described as having a large platter of ingredients laid out. People take their choice and place it into a bowl of boiling broth. As i recall, there was a large platter laid out with food on the table at the party. Maybe the two are related.

  • July 16, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    repost

    by mistermunky69

    What the hell am I doing wrong here. I dont see oven mitts, cheese, or any other type of dairy product. the blurbs from the horse frog and duck just have text... what do you have to do to see it? sorry if this has been done. couldnt find it.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Alright, I'll throw something out....

    by BillyPilgrim

    In the Slusho.jp history section it says Noriko loves libations. The common definition for libations is the consumption of a beverage that is generally alcoholic. However there is a second definition. Libation also means the pouring of liquids in a ritual sacrifice to a deity. Just a thought.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Ah yes

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Now that we have that licked, anyone want to touch the duck in the balloon? That's not an innuendo.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    BillyPilgrim's Observations

    by SLURPIEGOD

    One thing I find difficult is the pseudo-bad translation that the site is trying to convey. How much of it is a clue?, how much done to show a poor translation? Noriko got drunk and fell off the boat, did'nt she?

  • July 16, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Taxi Driver 2

    by CuervoJones

    Violence in New York.

  • July 16, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Oven Mitt part deux

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Dry ice or anything extremely frozen is often handeled with an oven mitt / protective glove.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    The Slusho.jp story sounds like fucking POKEMON

    by rhialto

    Well let's see where to begin. No it doesn't sound like Pokemon. It sounds like Lovecraft. But I'm sure you know what you're talking about, right? The audience it's being made for is also not a factor even in the slightest, so it's utterly ridiculous for you to bring it up. Plenty of people saw Hellboy who didn't know who the hell Lovecraft was. So it doesn't matter in the slightest. You've just got a rod up your ass because you're terrified all these Lovecraft nerds might be invested in this shit, so you blather on about shit you don't know anything about, or have no bearing on what kind of movie this will be or what it might be inspired by.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    fuck you guys make me feel lazy

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i swear only AICN TBers would take this much time trying to figure this shit out, haha. feels like i havnt been on here in ages but what can i say? been a few changes and ive been really busy. <P> this trailer looks pretty interesting but i have to say that it has never got a big response in the theatre and ive had 3 opportunities to see it on the big screen. the biggest response ive heared so far is one guy saying "oh come on.." after the statue of liberty's head came onscreen. so who knows, it could be a huge hit...could be a huge bomb...got my interest tho.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    So here is another one. Long winding road.

    by BillyPilgrim

    So I mentioned earlier that libations can be a sacrifice to a deity. The word deliciousness is also on the Slusho history page. A synonym for deliciousness is ambrosia. Ambrosia is often referred to as being a drink in Greek mythology. Is ambrosia the secret ingredient in Slusho? Still with me? Keep following. <p> In Greek Mythology Neptune was the god of the sea, horses and was also known as the "earth-shaker". When angered Neptune would strike the Earth with is trident and cause earthquakes. Neptune's chariot was pulled by hippocampus or horses that could ride on water. I that why we have a full bodied horse underwater? <p> Cheese was often used as a "non bloody" sacrifice to gods by the Greeks and Romans. <p> Blue mitts....well fuck the blue mitts...I got nothing. <p> So there you have it. The crazy drunken chick stole ambrosia from the gods and her son used it to make Slusho. Now the gods are pissed and Neptune is causing earthquakes and is busting things up. Whew...I'm done. Time for my meds.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    There is no movie

    by Phategod2

    After seeing the lackluster line up and the tight lipped Batman Set Harry needed something to keep up the traffic after the Transformers movie was over he called JJ and and if he could come up with something that would keep the TB going till some real cool news on real movie comes down the pipe. j/k - that means I'm kidding.

  • July 16, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Abin Sur

    by Rantman

    Lighten up- I was being ironic for fuxake...please feel free to have what fun on this site you feel like having with my blessing............by the way.....it's a cthulhu or maybe a gwangi.............maybe a small ox with a wrecking ball and bazooka

  • July 16, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Same shit?

    by BillyPilgrim

    I went off my meds to come up with the greek god shit. This is the thanks I get. Well fuck it all then. Stayin medicated here on out....

  • July 16, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Voltron had toys?

    by Phategod2

    Just kidding But back when I was in NYC when I was a kid I could only find Voltron knockoffs.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    According to inside sources

    by Dietrich

    you are all being far to analytical. The clues are way simpler than you imagine. reload the 1-18-08. com 6 times

  • July 16, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Another clue

    by Dietrich

    1-18-08.com Registrant: Henry Kelvin 1424 East 9th Street New York, NY 10003 US

  • July 16, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    and another

    by Dietrich

    Henry Kelvin Albert Pike

  • July 16, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    LOL Kurzinski

    by dixieflyer

    You sure do hate the Lovecraft talk.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Albert Pike is the contact.

    by Dietrich

    And he's dead. But it's a simple...HUGE clue.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Albert Pike Mythos

    by Dietrich

    Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Or it might just not be identifiable as Voltron outside

    by superninja

    of a few names and vague character design references.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Why is the new picture on the 1-18-08 site

    by superninja

    slightly transparent? There is a background image there as well which looks like a rocky road leading to a cave of some kind.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    To be fair there are a couple of things which tie into

    by superninja

    Voltron, like the New York location and the giant ROBEAST attacking.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    MRX67, my last post to you

    by BadMrWonka

    I love that you have the nerve to imply that I couldn't have sold a script here in LA because I'm "on AICN" too much.<p>where the fuck do you think I do my writing? in a tree? I don't imply that you couldn't work in a mini-mart, because you eat too many candy bars...they're right there! one would not preclude the other.<p>I write on my computer, which just HAPPENS to be connected to the internet. and so during breaks, I write here, or check e-mail, etc. and when I see people like you drowning in your own self-delusion, I try to give you a hand and bring you back to dry land.<p>you've got Mori telling you they're 2 separate films. you got magazine articles. IMDB pages. separate writers and producers. and you have NO solid facts (cheese = France is not a solid fact) to indicate it's Voltron. jut because the explosion COULD be this or that, or the roar COULD be this or that. that doesn't PROVE anything. that would just indicate a POSSIBILITY. that's simple logic, man. but of course, every time I've tried to explain that to you, you've ignored it. like the kid with his hands over his eyes, going "you can't see me!!!" so I don't have any illusions that you'll listen to it this time either. but I do have to write it for my own sanity. people using horrendously flawed logic jsut makes my skin crawl.<p>hence, you're either a joker, in which case you're very devoted, but it's a little sad at this point. or you're truly...truly...stupid. <p>brother, you have to trust me when I tell you that I am much, much smarter than you, and my annoyance is not due to some unique challenge you've presented to all of us to "keep on searching!", I'm frustrated because in the other TB, people were actually trying to figure things out. now we are spending all our time arguing non-sensical points with you, becase you would rather ignore reality, than admit you're wrong. <p>it's a small man who backs himself into a corner in an argument, and then faced with a mountain of evidence that he's wrong, just starts clawing at the walls in futility.<p>it's not Voltron. and even if you continue with your retarded rant about "the V word", and how you're "not saying it", you're still trying to go on with it. so please don't make yourself look stupid and say, "I'm not saying Voltron any more" pleae. shut up with that.<p>it's not Voltron. Voltron is a separate movie. witha bigger budget, and at least SOME of it will happen during the day, so that we can see the big shiny robots. and there will be toys, and marketing rushes. and yes, they will eventually update their IMDB page, WHEN THEY HAVE A RELEASE DATE AND THEIR MARKETING PUSH STARTS.<p>your ignorance of common logical fallacies is matched only by your ignorance of filmmaking and film marketing.<p>and no, my little $200,000 film is not about Voltron. it's about two people in their late 20's trying to make the adjustment from a sort of post-college fun life, to real adulthood.<p>I hope you get there someday. but I can't talk with you any more. it's too frustrating, and it makes me wish that sweeping education reform would come to our schools as soon as possible.

  • July 16, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Open your minds

    by Dietrich

    You Quaids

  • July 16, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Sites?

    by SLURPIEGOD

    Just the two confirmed sites so far? I mean honestly, this thing has to stretch 6 months, might be a while before the next bone is thrown.

  • July 16, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    lol, poor guy

    by BadMrWonka

    you just keep sticking your foot in your mouth. not only have I just sold 2 scripts this year, I have a creative writing degree, a teaching degree (from Oxford), and I spent 5 years TEACHING writing.<p>you're like 0 for 5 in your sad attacks on me. why not just give up, change your talkback name, and come back under the guise of a new person. a fresh start!<p>man, I wasn't gonna write any more, but the fiction/non-fiction line was just too funny.

  • July 16, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    lol thank you

    by BadMrWonka

    if they try to throw in some titties, I'm gonna be mad. they have their place in movies, but mine is not one of them.<p>there is a mooning scene though. but it's a dude. sorry brother. and it'll probably get cut anyway, it's a throwaway scene.

  • July 16, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Kirk Montgomery

    by Dr. Smith

    Has anyone here actually read the story that is pissing everyone off? - I just read it and it's clear to me the exclusive part was the interview with his source. I didn't get anywhere that he was "breaking a story" It never says that in the story - in fact if you google Cloverfield it's everywhere on the web not just AICN- Sure some of the info is vague, but it does clear a few things up. Why so many haters on here?

  • July 16, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    hey

    by MzVamp333

    does any one else think the monster roaring actually sounds like he's calling "ROB-ERT" might explain the look on Robs face... ???? just a thought....

  • July 16, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Is this a clue?

    by terraspan

    About 1-18-08.com: First-: Turning the party picture upside-down and the banner looks kinda like something else. I see 113 in WE'LL and on the far right it looks like a 5. Second: I noticed that there may be a connection to the five senses. Obviously at the party it's taste. The close-up on the girls could be sight. The smoky picture could then be smell. Which would leave hearing and touch. This is probably totally irrelevant but i just wanted to put it out there.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    You guys aren't journalists.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    So no one feels the responsibility to credit you with anything.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah!

    by terraspan

    And about the Slusho site: It says you can't have only six and at the bottom there are two sets of cups of Slusho. On the left 8 have been drunk with 1 left. On the right only 5 have been drunk with 3 left. So the girl drank enough but the boy still needs to drink. Assuming the children are above their sets of drinks. Work with that.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    So, it has evolved into name calling, not just idiotic

    by The Dum Guy

    Guesses.<br><br>So, did anyone else catch the thing on FoxNews that said the government can, and does, listen in to people via their cell phones? They said that even if you turn it off they can use the microphone on your' phone, unless you take out the batteries.<br><br>I have nothing to add...

  • July 16, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    msvamp....

    by lucid dreamstate

    the "robert " roar ...that would explain his concerned looks.i like the idea...

  • July 16, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Re: Roar

    by MzVamp333

    listen to the trailer again for me.. cos it may just be my imagination after all these days on this thing... but both roars sound like the monster is calling "ROB-BERT"

  • July 16, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Stay on task.

    by RAVENL0RD

    Quit fighting over and solve this riddle. Stay on task and solve this thing. Thanks.

  • July 16, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    yeahhh Underdogthe3rd

    by BurgerKing

    You act as if JJ had anything at all to do with the plots of Season 3 Lost...

  • July 16, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Sweet ZombieSolutions Jesus!

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    What a heart-rending tale of the Blair Witch girl up above! God, if I was her, I would want to go jump off a bridge somewhere. Well done, dear lad. Well done. Spiteful bastard :)

  • July 16, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Dammit, I want an Attack of the 50(0) Foot Woman reboot

    by Pennsy

    Dammit! Yeah, that movie was a guilty pleasure back in the day. Not so much the Daryl Hannah remake, though.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Slusho is Hebrew for Chimera.

    by future help

    [edit] Description: Homer's brief description in the Iliad[1] is the earliest literary reference: "a thing of immortal make, not human, lion-fronted and snake behind, a goat in the middle,[2] and snorting out the breath of the terrible flame of bright fire".[3] Hesiod's Theogony follows the Homeric description: he makes the Chimera the issue of Echidna: "She was the mother of Chimaera who breathed raging fire, a creature fearful, great, swift-footed and strong, who had three heads, one of a grim-eyed lion; in her hinderpart, a dragon; and in her middle, a goat, breathing forth a fearful blast of blazing fire. AND SO...The Chimera was finally defeated by Bellerophon with the help of Pegasus at the command of King Iobates of Lycia. He shot the Chimera from the air, safe from her heads and breath, since Pegasus could fly;[6] a scholiast to Homer adds that he finished her off putting a lump of lead on his spear that melted when exposed to Chimera's fiery breath and consequently killed it.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    MzVamp333, the first roar sounded like 'Robert'.

    by Pennsy

    The second one, not so much.

  • July 16, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Myspace bullshit....

    by AUTOmattick

    Okay people who are posting the Myspace crap... if you click the blog on their sites, it will tell you in the left hand column when they created their myspace... half of the dumb myspaces posted on here are complete crap ade like 2 days ago by teenage fuckheads with nothing better to do than lead everyone in the wrong drection.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    MRX67 I think there are more things in favor

    by superninja

    of this film being Cthulhu influenced based on the Slusho site. The Voltron elements are minimal, I think they are less convincing.

  • July 16, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    ATLANTIS...

    by MasterExploder

    That's what the movie is about. http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue13/ar13japanunder.html http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue13/ar13dogu.html look up dogu and kappa. the city of Mu. Alpha Kappa Mu. slushozoom.com had a picture of a kappa, but removed it and replaced it with a statue of liberty picture. the picture of the kappa used to link to an article that described dogu, but has been replaced with the ciakids cheese page. curiouser and curioser...

  • July 16, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    slushozoom is fake

    by rhialto

    Man, I just love typing that over and over.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Its the Sphinx

    by Phategod2

    Not the mystical creature from Edipus Rex But Leon Sphinx Come to return to ring and destroy NEW YORK.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Anagram possibility?

    by cromwell1666

    Has anyone considered that the tagline "SLUSHO MAKING FRESH IMPROVEMENTS. JUST FOR YOU" is an anagram? Though I have yet to complete one that utilizes all of the letters, I am able to assemble "THE MONSTER IS A....." Maybe its just a coincidence but if anyone else has thoughts along these lines I'd like to hear them!

  • July 17, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    This is totally a Vampires vs Zombies flick

    by LittleDudes

    Where Hulk Hogan is the referee and is all like "Suck this, brother!" and then totally elbow drops Werewolves in the chest. little-dudes.co.nz

  • July 17, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    The monster is a...

    by BadMrWonka

    Gruffness Homo Virus Jump Yolk<br> Groovy Hummus Lisps Junk Offer<br> Loving Kosher Muff Rumpus Joys<br> Hooker Grisly Jumps Ovum Snuff<br> Lump of Junky Smog Sushi Fervor<p>sometimes anagrams are not the answer...

  • July 17, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Longshot?

    by blimey13

    The guy who made this weird site, www.jan182008.com, is named Rick Howard. Rick Howard is also a Pro Skateboarder, he can be seen at, www.skateparkoftampa.com/spot/results_byskater.aspx?SkaterID=388, and he looks a Hell of a lot like the guy in the trailer talking to the camera at the very end, "Best night of your life." The picture is about 5 years old, and I'm sure it's a longshot at a connection, but the jan18 site is really strange. I've been looking at "Ginaric" and it makes me think this site really does have nothing to do with Cloverfield, but, you never know...

  • July 17, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    "SLUSHO MAKING FRESH IMPROVEMENTS"

    by BadMrWonka

    can be:<p> False Shrimp Monters Given Hokum<br> Fresh Monster Lovemaking is Humps<br> Gimp's Rehash Monster Movie Flunks<br> Shaking Sperm Flush Monster Movie<p>but they are fun...

  • July 17, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST

    WONKA!

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Quit fucking around with MRX67...I asked you a serious question HOURS ago...do you have a blog or web-site about your movie in development? I'd like to check it out; I'm attempting to make a go of it myself as a writer...comic books for me, although my degree is in film and I did do a little work for an indie producer back when I was in school (circa 2000-2001). Anyway, I am legitimately interested and am not fucking around in any way...so quit screwing around with MRX67 (he's fucking KIDDING anyway) and tell me where I can find out about your movie, dude.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    there is no movie so far

    by BadMrWonka

    all they've done is set up a deal to buy the script.<p>you can see a few things I've done here: www.sparefilms.com <p>but it's not much of a website yet. when I get back from my trips, I'm gonna work more on it. showing "Henri" at a couple events here in LA was where I met the producer who eventually went to my agency to try to buy the script I had mentioned to him. I still have more time to polish it, hence the september date. but they have the first look deal, and it's already a lock. it'll just depend if they buy it, and have someone else rewrite it, or let me a part of the production. but I haven't ever worked as a writer on a feature yet, so we'll see.<p>but it's exciting all the same. so no website yet, no nothing yet. hell, we wouldn't even start filming til next year, so it's gonna be a while. things are all hurry up and wait in this business, I've found out.<p>also, if anyone's from new york, I want to know a really good restaurant in manhattan, since I'm gonna make the guy I'm meeting buy me a nice dinner. I don't eat meat, but I do eat seafood....mmmmm....

  • July 17, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    An extra 2 cents...

    by blimey13

    Even though no one asked. Ha ha. A leviathan is a fire breathing whale. sea monster.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Cool

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I will check out that site tomorrow. So how do you eventually see this film being released (I know it is a long way off...just asking)? Do you know if the producer ultimately plans on taking the film on the festival cicuit to try and find someone to distribute it theatrically, or does he just do dtv stuff?

  • July 17, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    festival CiRcuit

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    yeah

  • July 17, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    Also

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Are you in the Guild?

  • July 17, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    WGA I meant

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    not Director's Guild

  • July 17, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Wonka- Restaurant

    by cromwell1666

    I am from NY. There is a place on Barrow Street(off Bleeker and 7th) called "One if by Land, Two if by sea." They have seafood and veg dishes. $100 per person at least, without drinks. Great food and atmosphere.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    cromwell

    by BadMrWonka

    thanks!<p>general, it remans to be seen, but this guy doesn't do DTV horror ultra low budget stuff. it's much more festival things, but he's had some real successes so far. so we'll see. I really don't know much, yet. I'm trying not to think too much about it, and jsut focus on rewriting until I have to do my travelling.<p>and now I have to go to bed.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    oh, and

    by BadMrWonka

    I'm not in the Guild yet, but I'm joining in August out of necessity.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    My insignificant summation

    by cromwell1666

    Moriarty really broke most of the important info. We know its organic, we know it will be filmed from the point of view of the characters by way of their personal recordings. We know its a giant monster attacking a city. Really, all thats left is the definition of the creature. I feel like anything that is unlocked from the slusho site will only confirm these facts, and therefore won't seem like clues but confirmations of what we know already. My hats off to Mr Abrams for making the viewers active participants instead of passive seat fillers.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Cloverfield will rule us all!

    by Gibson The Gibbon

    I salute JJ!: http://tinyurl.com/25d6ck

  • July 17, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Slusho Clues

    by VagrantNinja

    Has anyone come up with anything from the History page yet? You know, if you ever over the fish you see cheese and if you hover over the horse you see an oven mitt? I've been thinking about it for days but it seems like something that would be relevant.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Artwork on slushozoom

    by texassk8core

    the painting on the top left is "The Birth of Venus" by Botticelli. The painting at the bootom center is, you guessed it, "Clover Field", by an artist named Alexandra Nechita

  • July 17, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Anybody seen Richie?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I keep coming back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie!

  • July 17, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Hidden Images in the Wallpaper downloads

    by cromwell1666

    Ok. I have a laptop with a LCD so im no sure how to proceed if you have a different set-up. Save the largest wallpaper of just the Slusho Cup in the download section, and make sure you save it to a program with zoom features(i know most do). Open it and zoom in as much as you can. Now, for those of you with laptops, take your screen from its current 90 degree(apprx) angle and pull it towards you until its about at 45 degrees. Look at the images visible from only this vantage point. It looks like flames, but scroll in all directions to see if you agree, esp. above the "i"s. Do you see figures? Do you see any faces?

  • July 17, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    What happened is...

    by emeraldboy

    the writer, Drew Goddard, producer, jj abrams and director, matt reeves, came together, came up with an idea and shot a trailer. They brought the trailer to paramount who went wild and released it into cinemas. There is nothing new in this at all. there is no movie at all. just a mock up of a trailer for a potential movie. There is no actual name for this film. Paramount fucked up by accidently leaking this movie out before its time. there is no script for this film. none and they are holding back because of the pre-negative buzz which precipitated the launch of Transformers(which 150 million and will make more). So paramount is holding back and being very cautios.

  • July 17, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST

    So, Rob has to die...

    by The Dum Guy

    If they find the video evidence, or Rob turns into a monster.<br><br><br>Ya, know, if you listen closely and hope to hear the word "Robert" when the monster (I'm guessin) screams/yowls, then it is possible... Then again...

  • July 17, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Rabbit Hole

    by epevensie

    If Pike is a real "clue," and not planned misdirection, we are definitely looking at something bigger than a straightforward mutant monster movie.<p>The Whois info for 1-18-08.com lists the registrant as "In Hoc Signo Vinces." The phrase means "in this sign you will conquer" and is part of the Scottish Rite Freemason's crest. <p> The contact address listed is for the George Washington Masonic National Memorial in DC. "In Hoc Signo Vinces" is inscribed on the memorial. <p> Albert Pike (1809-1891) is listed as the site administrator. Pike (1809-1891) "indulged in the occult" and was rumored to be Satanist who possessed a magical bracelet which he used to summon and communicate with Lucifer. Pike was allegedly the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), and it was through Palladism that the cult of Satan that was introduced to Masonry. In 1801, Issac Long, had brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude , and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World. Notably, Baghdad (in Iraq/Babylon) is also located on the 33rd parallel... <p> Pike was Long's successor, and, in the mid-19th century, was purportedly introduced to the Illuminati (the "Enlightened Ones"), a secret society dedicated to the abolition of Christianity and the establishment of a one world government. Inspired, Pike authored a ritual guide for Freemasonry which governed the transition of the average high-ranking mason into a top-ranked (33rd degree) Illuminati mason - a secret society within a secret society. Because this inner circle is opened to the very, very few, most Freemasons have no genuine knowledge of the Luciferian purposes of their organization. (In this aspect, Freemasonry is not unlike Scientology (Xenu), Mormonism (Exaltation), etc.) In his 1871 handbook, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, Pike wrote that "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion... Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it."<p> At the center of the religion was Lucifer, the fallen Angel of Light, about whom Pike rhapsodized, "LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"<p> Whether by coincidence or via his hotline to satan, Pike allegedly planned or prophesied three world wars that would result in the eradication of Christianity, Zionism, Islam, and Atheism and the rise of a New World Order. The Third World War, Pike purportedly wrote, would be "fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." <p> The Luciferian apotheosis occurs with the establishment of a "New World Order" - a facist One World Government, which, after the earth's population has been reduced by two thirds (by war and cataclysm), will exercise complete and total control over every human being.<p>In his book The Two Babylons, Alexander Hislop wrote that "It is admitted that the secret system of Free Masonry was originally founded on the MYSTERIES OF THE EGYPTIAN ISIS, THE GODDESS-MOTHER, OR WIFE OF OSIRIS." Isis is the Egyptian name for the Babylonian goddess Ishtar, otherwise known as Athena (Greece), Minerva (Egypt and Greece), Astarte (Syria), Cybele (Rome), Ashtoreth (Israel), and Diana (Ephesus). The Statue of Liberty is a representation of Isis, a pagan licentious queen of vice and prostitution. Also known as Ashtoreth, the "Queen of Heaven" and pagan "Mother of God," "Madonna" and "Celestial Virgin." She is the "the daughter of Babylon" in the Book of Revelation who sits"upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. . . And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev.17:3-5).<p>(Notably, Babylon once stood in the country now known as Iraq...)<p> Originally presented in 1884 as a gift from the French Grand Orient Temple Masons to the Masons of America in celebration of the centenary of the first Masonic Republic, the Statue of liberty holds a Masonic "Torch of Enlightenment." Purportedly, the sculptor, Barholdi, designed the statue as an effigy of Isis, and originally intended it for the the Suez Canal, but the statute was rejected. Accordingly, Lady Liberty was given to the American Freemasons by the French Freemasons as a gift in honor of the Declaration of Independence. (Interestingly, the Cloverfield trailer premiered over the July 4th Independence Day holiday...) <p>Many Christians and non-Christians alike regard New York City as the modern day "Babylon." Revelations Chapter 18 begins, "And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power . . . And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit . . . For all nation have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."<p> Seemingly, then, we may be looking at a Biblical end-times film, or at least something involving Satan, or a Larry Cohen "Q"-style version of "the Beast from the Sea." (I also detect possible themes from Cohen's "God Told Me To." Is it really possible that Cloverfield could recycle primary conceits from three different Cohen films - "Q", "God Told Me To," and "The Stuff"?...)<p>Finally, the most on-point "clue" I've contemplated lately would seem to be Revelations 1:8, which states, “I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING,” saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Wait - what was that "debunked" Ethan Haas site supposedly shilling? (Answer: "Alpha Omega rpg<p>BTW, in another possible 9/11 connection, in "Call of Cthulhu, when the protagonist's dreams reach full-fevered intensity, "hysterical Levantines" mob NYC police. <p>Again, in keeping with an over-arching, all-encompassing Illuminati conspiracy theory, perhaps Cloverfield simply dumps EVERYTHING (Illuminati, George Bush and 9/11, Isis/Osiris, Lovecraft and Cthulhu, Godzilla, Frankenstein, Revelations and 666, etc.) into a mix in which, at is core, Satan is an extraterrestrial who has been cast down from "Heaven" to the depths of the earth. Although he has interfaced with humanity via dreams since time unknown, he has now been roused from sleep to bring on WWW III and the apocalypse.

  • July 17, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    epevensie

    by Zybon

    Man, talk about too much information...

  • July 17, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Yeah, posts should be limited to 200 words...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...and some guys need to learn how to get to the point more quickly and efficient.

  • July 17, 2007, 5:47 a.m. CST

    after reading the above er, post

    by emeraldboy

    I have deduced that were are looking at a movie financed at least in part by some supporters of the bush administration. Those people who sit in cafes and have long lists of recent earthquakes, because to them that is a sign that the world is about to end. Tony Robinson did a program and it was very intresting the stuff he came up with. Nero when he was freefalling in his mental breakdown. Drew up a list of those who were un roman. They were stamped with the 666 mark and the people who in nero's eyes were unroman fled after being marked and they were scattered throughout europe where they told stories which were handed down for generations to come. One survivor of Neros Purge ended up in a Cave on a greek island. also after being scattered through out europe, these groups of people, saw what we know now as toadstools. These had hallucinagenic qualities and lead to these people going mad, they wrote there stories down. The guy who ended up in the greek cave, not only wrote his story down but left behind cave markings. it has been suggested that St. peter wrote what was to become the book of revelations. Tony Robinson on his illumating trip, revealed that is not the case and he traced back the origins of the book to that cave in greece.

  • July 17, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST

    after reading epevensie post

    by emeraldboy

    I thought Lost prophet would have been on epevensie's case, ready to shred epevensie by calling him rambling idiot or saying things like he makes my head hurt or can we not ban him.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:13 a.m. CST

    seriously epevensie, what's wrong with you?

    by just pillow talk

    If you posted that over multiple posts, there may have been a chance more people would have read that. Plus there's no jokes, tb slang, nothing.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    I've never called for you to be banned, twat

    by Lost Prophet

    As much as your rambling incoherent crap drives me mad.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Having now started to read it.

    by Lost Prophet

    I am forced to stop as it is dull. <p>The difference between that rambling load of bollox and you, emeraldtool (You make me ashamed to have Irish blood btw), is that the aforementioned rambling load of bollox is written in complete sentences. It doesn't look like the deluded scrawlings of a ritalin deprived ADHD kid. <p>understand?

  • July 17, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Having finished to read it I can safely say

    by Lost Prophet

    just read the last paragraph and ignore the rest. That's where the point is.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Over 800 posts and no one has mentioned this. Unreal.

    by chrth

    Everything else y'all're talking about is secondary to this question:<p> What did Rob borrow the $11 for?!?

  • July 17, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    The movie is obviously about......

    by Elgyn6655321

    .....Cthulu AND Godzilla both rise from the ocean at the same time and join forces to wreak havoc on New York.......only to be confronted by VOLTRON!! Then things go from bad to worse when a LION escapes from the zoo to cause further horror! And all the while, a group of idiot twentysomethings are running around the streets videotaping all this with handhelds!! And only a mysterious man named Ethan Haas can help them...........

  • July 17, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    So what you are saying is

    by emp

    that everybody is right? Well, that makes sense. I don't think they have a script yet. They just made the trailer, and are now waiting for people to give them good ideas for the monster and plot. I hope they don't put to much weight on what they read here on AICN, or else it will be 90% voltron stuff.<p>Fuck viral marketing up its stupid ass.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Chrth, don't get sucked into Speculation City...

    by Abin Sur

    ...as I'm now gonna call this talkback. Not that I'm any better, what with all my Cthulhu rantings...

  • July 17, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I think it's a remake

    by Lost Prophet

    of Annie. <p>64 foot orphan girl attacks new york and brings down buildings through force of her caterwauling.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    But that $11 is obviously key to the plot!

    by chrth

    Wait ... $11 ... 9/11 ... of course!<p> In all seriousness, a couple thoughts: anyone else find it unrealistic that there's a giant fireballish thing on the horizon, and the camera decides to follow a couple flaming projectiles?<p> Also, the fireballs(?) that hit the nearby building is coming from the wrong angle if its origin is the same as the tracked projectiles/giant flame thing, so that's either a mistake or an indication that there are multiple things going on<p> I could've sworn I heard the word "Chrysler" (as in the building) when watching it last night, but when I watched it this morning I didn't hear it. Which is weird, because I heard it when I paused at one point; maybe I was just hearing a truncated word.

  • July 17, 2007, 8 a.m. CST

    Thanks Chrth, now you've got me started again...

    by Abin Sur

    Watching the trailer, when those fireballs shoot out from the main explosion, about two seconds before the camera guy turns away, I swear that those fireballs started to split into smaller fireballs, and those could have had different trajectories. I've been a dork and watched done slo-mo on the hi-def trailer, and I swear that's what I'm seeing. Or it's a lion.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    On the trajectories

    by chrth

    The angle change is too steep. He follows them straight up in the air. If they were making a parabola (out to the left and then back in to hit the building behind them) they'd have to have gone off to the sides from the beginning.<p> I'm going to post a pic for what I'm discussing.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    What about the explosion itself?

    by Abin Sur

    It seems so "perfect", don't you think? It's like the fireball is EXPANDING, not just erupting. I don't know if that's intentional or not, but that seems to be a clue too...a perfect explosion with these uniform projectiles.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    abin sur

    by nothing of value to add

    you are right. the projectiles do break in mid air which is indicitive of something that is self combusting or capable of air burst because of the intense heat being surface cooled from the airflow around it or the nature of the air being cooler around it. sulfur or brimstone is one chemical in nature that does this. a pyroclastic reaction...or it could just be a cool special effect.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Nothing of value to add, your name is a misnomer...

    by Abin Sur

    That was most informative, sir!

  • July 17, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    fireball is 'expanding', and more on the trajectories

    by chrth

    Abin Sur, that's the first thing I thought as well: not an explosion, but a moving/expanding fireball a la the ships burning through the atmosphere in ID4.<p> I tried to do a pic, but my art talents are non-existent. The projectiles off the main body all look like they're following a natural course, so even a parabolic out-then-in isn't feasible. I rewatched it, and though I wouldn't swear to it, it looks like the projectiles smashing into the nearby buildings are originating from *behind* them, that is, opposite the fireball.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    angle of trajectory

    by nothing of value to add

    is impossible to define if you are looking at them straight on or even from a slight angle...i think....

  • July 17, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    You can't specifically state the angle, no

    by chrth

    But even approximate it's not realistic. The angle on the roof from the explosion viewpoint to the staircase *appears* to be less than 180 degrees. For the projectiles to have originated from the explosion and still hit the way they did, the angle would have to be substantially greater than 180 -- at least 225.<p> Now, it's feasible that he's turning around so fast that I'm misreading his angle of turn, but honestly, I don't think so. In all seriousness, my spatial recognition skills are superb (I never get a "which of these is the object rotated 180 degrees" question wrong) and I trust them, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up. The first time I watched it, I knew something was wrong with the angles, and no subsequent rewatching has dissuaded me from that opinion. It looks wrong to me, which says it either IS wrong, or there's something else we're missing.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Remember, there was more than one explosion...

    by Abin Sur

    The first one was what knocked the power out momentarily and was reported on that news broadcast. Now we don't know what path the explosions are following - they could have been in a row or across town. But if there were additional explosions off camera then that could explain the angle of the fireballs.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Re: Other explosions: agreed

    by chrth

    Like I said originally: "an indication that there are multiple things going on". But if there are other explosions going on, doesn't that hurt the various "it's Cthulu/Voltron/etc" theories, because multiple explosions would indicate *multiple* entities.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Chrth, that hurts the Voltron idea, but NOT Cthulhu...

    by Abin Sur

    Those flaming projectiles could be what are known in the Cthulhu Mythos as the "Flame Creatures of Cthugha" OR the "Fire Vampires of Fthaggua." I know I'm reaching, but even now I hold out hope.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    MRX, I'm not one of the guys that ragged on you...

    by Abin Sur

    ...for Voltron, I just gave you shit for using internet slang like a 13-year old girl. So pardon me while I continue to discuss Cthulhu and all his brethren.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Abin Sur: I just don't see it as a Cthulu movie

    by chrth

    If you're going to do a Cthulu movie right, you either have to do it in Victorian England (cf Neil Gaiman's "A Study in Emerald") or in Brahmin Boston, not modern New York City. It shouldn't be a disaster film (do we really want to see F18s shooting missiles at the Old Ones?), and no matter what 1188 ends up being, right now the trailer is pushing the disaster film angle. Voltron, in my opinion, makes more sense because it can fit in a modern world better (note: I don't think it's Voltron).

  • July 17, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Chrth, I know chances are it's not Cthulhu...

    by Abin Sur

    If you've read any of Lovecraft's contemporaries (August Derleth, Donald Wandrei, Robert Bloch...) some of them (Bloch especially) told very strong Lovecraft tales set in more modern times. And I would consider it a disaster movie up until the point where the Statue of Liberty's head is cleanly severed from her body.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Oh, I'm sure the whole thing isn't a disaster film

    by chrth

    But again, if this is a Cthulu movie, imo they're fucking it up. So I disregard the Cthulu theory. DISREGARD AND SHUN!<p> Frankly, I think it's something 'new' built off of other -- probably religious/apocalyptic -- material.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Aliens are responsible for Intelligent Design?!?

    by chrth

    Wow, the evangelicals ain't going to like that!<p> In all seriousness, if it's a cascading explosion (first explosion sends off projectiles that trigger secondary explosions), the timing doesn't work for the projectiles from the roof -- although it does for the Head.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Voltron sounds like a pokemon

    by Kragmose

    Seriously

  • July 17, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is Voltron anyway

    by Lost Prophet

    I think I missed this when I was growing up.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    There were two Voltron shows

    by chrth

    In one, five robot lions merged to form a super robot, in the other, fifteen vehicles (five air, land, and sea vehicles) merged to form a super robot. Voltron would be fighting some other big robot/monster, and then the battle would go back and forth until Voltron remembered the giant sword, which he used to win. Why he didn't use the giant sword from the beginning was never answered.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    so, basically

    by Lost Prophet

    It's power rangers, then. And people want a live action version of it?

  • July 17, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Why Voltron? Why not Goldar the SPACE GIANT?

    by Abin Sur

    Fighting RODAK and his evil Lugo Men? Those Lugo Men creeped the hell out of me when I was a kid.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet and Abin Sur

    by chrth

    LP: Voltron was much better than MMPR, although there were similarities. Voltron had some great secondary plot lines. Plus the lions were really cool.<p> AS: Because Voltron had Lions, and some people are hearing the word 'Lion' in the trailer. That's why they think it's Voltron.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Wonka...

    by BillyPilgrim

    Tell us more about Shrimp Monster Hokum.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    OK, I'll believe you

    by Lost Prophet

    I probably need to see it. <p>How's about an updating of Blake's 7

  • July 17, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Chrth, I know ALL ABOUT "It's a Lion..."

    by Abin Sur

    I was giving shit to people about THAT since day one. ;)

  • July 17, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    PIKACHU, I CHOOSE YOU!

    by BillyPilgrim

    Because my sanity has come to an end. Good night and good luck.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Heh, there's a picture of Voltron in the Anime article

    by Lost Prophet

    maybe, seeing as AICN has been breaking all the news it is a Voltron adaptation, and they are cleverly trying to hide it by spreading it around. <p>And if you believe that you really need to get a better tin foil hat. <p>Still lost as to why anyone would want a film of it though.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions: What the fuck are you talking about?

    by chrth

    Wow, way to totally not read the posts. Kneejerk often?

  • July 17, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Zombie, this should help clear your mind...

    by Abin Sur

    Whenever I think I've figured out the Supreme Being angle, I think of this quote: "The universe is not just grander than we imagine, it's grander than we CAN imagine." Our little brains can only comprehend a fraction of a fraction of the complexity of everything - although some good weed helps. There is no argument for or against a creator that is completely infallible.

  • July 17, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    zombie

    by Lost Prophet

    what if...<p>we are actually created by ultimate super smart person, and he has created everything as a school project, and his race is highly evolved so this shit doesn't even come up. Will the universe be destroyed the day after he gets his grade? (Apologies to Asimov)<p>WERE ALL DOOMED I TELLS YA. FEAR THE COMING OF THE DUSTBIN

  • July 17, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions - THIS JUST IN!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Jeff Bridges has been cast as King Zarkon<br>and<br>Hugo Weaving is Prince Lotor!!!

  • July 17, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Also,

    by Lost Prophet

    does anyone actually give that Intelligent design nonsense any credibility at all. Surely it's just a shitty way of shoehorning creationism into science class?

  • July 17, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet: ID is not creationism

    by chrth

    Creationism is the belief that God said Let there be light and he created Man in 6 days, i.e. no Evolution. Intelligent Design says there's Evolution, but that God is an active participant in how Evolution occurs. In other words, besides the biological impetus to evolution, there's a divine one.<p> Frankly, Intelligent Design is a crock of shit. It makes God look like this crotchety old Gepetto-like figure, who has to keep monkeying around with His creation in order to get it right. I call it Unintelligent Design.<p> MY God was smart enough to get it right the first time. Another way to show ID versus My View is as follows: With ID, Evolution is happening with assistance from God. With My View, Evolution is happening BECAUSE of God.<p> OFF TOPIC ALERT! Returning to your 'normal' TB in 4 .. 3 .. 2 ..

  • July 17, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    splitting hairs Chrth

    by Lost Prophet

    The point I was trying to make is that ID is a way of cramming religious dogma into scientific lessons where it has no right being. That's what Divinity (or whatever religious education class is called nowadays) is for. Teach whatever religion you want there, but don't stray into subjects which you have no right being in. <p>It is a crock, by the way.

  • July 17, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    We apologise for the delay, and are pleased to announce

    by Lost Prophet

    that your normal TB service has now resumed<p>YOU'RE ALL BASTARDS> IT'S VOLTRON>IT's NOT IT'S LOVECRAFT> IT's MISS PIGGY.... etc.

  • July 17, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Too Much Information?

    by epevensie

    Perhaps - but things get almost impossibly byzantine once you get pulled into Illuminati/One World Government/Secret Societies conspiracy theories and their related Anti-Christ/Pagan Religions/Whore of Babylon/Death Cult scenarios... <p> Essential thrust of my post is that, unless JJ Abrams is trying to massively misdirect geekdom by sending us on a wild goose scramble through the history of Freemasonry and the Illuminati, the "monster" would definitely seem to have occult origins related to ancient, pre-Christian Middle Eastern religions (e.g., the child-sacrificing cults of Moloch, Baal, etc.), with connections to modern paganism (Aleister Crowley, the Illuminati, etc.). This fits nicely with Lovecraft/Cthulhu scenarios, as well as almost any other epic-sized evil which might be observed in the history (and prehistory) of man. It also allows for a Godzilla-like symbolism in which the destruction in the film parallels a historical precedent - in Godzilla it was our nation's use of atomic bombs in Japan, in Cloverfield, it is the destruction of the WTC by MIDDLE-EASTERN terrorists.<p> Most significantly, when specifically considered in the context of Albert Pike and his alleged Luciferian enthusiasms, the beheading of the Statue of Liberty (Isis) is not merely "cool," but fraught with thematic significance.<p>In particular, I would direct your attention to the Egyptian Delta Cycle Myth, which occurs during a period known as the "First Time" - an era where the gods roamed and ruled the world. (Hmmm... see a Cthulhu/Alpha Omega-Ethan Haas was Right connection?)<p> Among the deities then traversing the earth were Osiris, husband of Isis, and Set - a spirit of evil so cruel and destructive that he literally tore himself from his mother’s womb. Set seizes power by murdering his brother Osiris and then institutes a reign of terror during which he enslaves his sister, the goddess Isis. Isis is the wife (and sister) of the murdered Osiris, and is pregnant with Osiris' child. <p> Isis escapes to the swamp of the Delta and gives birth to a son, Horus, who is destined to avenge his father’s death. Once grown, Horus emerges from the Delta and the "counsel of the gods" determines that Set's crown must be given to Horus. Set is enraged and challenges Horus to a battle in the sea, with both of them taking the form of a hippopotamus. During the battle, Isis attempts to assist Horus, but does not do so. Enraged by her failure, Horus rises from the water and cuts off his mother's head.<p>Again, one can easily see similarities between this myth, the Slusho! history, the Cthulhu mythos, and any number of pagan beliefs and belief systems.<p> Perhaps Cloverfield is a the ultimate conspiracy film in which members of secret societies devoted to bringing about one-world government (e.g., the Illuminati, etc.), unwittingly unleash a demon at the heart of the world - a primordial being bent on the enslavement of all humanity.<p>BTW, while I'm sticking to my "effects are unfinished" theory regarding the look of the explosions in the trailer, has anyone considered the possibility that the US military is already engaged by the time our hapless party-goers are observing the activity in lower Lower Manhattan?<p>Also, given the clear visual parallels to 9/11 which we've seen so far, and which are arguably in the service of a giant monster movie, where is "too soon" brigade? <p>For an interesting and entertaining dip into interconnecting Satanic conspiracy theories, you might want to visit www.chick.com and read: /reading/tracts/0093/0093_01.asp

  • July 17, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    and the post explaining the lengthy post is the same

    by Lost Prophet

    size. <p>bloody hell. You don't do things by half do you?

  • July 17, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    It's not "too much" information

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    it's just friggin senseless, useless, loads-o-crap information with no leitmotif.

  • July 17, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Would you prefer?

    by epevensie

    "It's a Lion" + Egypt = Sphinx = Revelations "his mouth as the mouth of a lion" + The Beast 666 = Voltron?

  • July 17, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Yes.

    by Lost Prophet

    <p>

  • July 17, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    www.1-18-08.com is watching us??

    by skynetbauxi

    I was just clicking about on www.1-18-08.com when a window opened, asking me if the website was allowed to access my webcam and microphone! has this happened to anyone else?? what does it mean??

  • July 17, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    www.1-18-08.com also invaded my PC

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    and now I got some naked chicks dancing on my desktop.<p>cool

  • July 17, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Lost Prophet: It's not splitting hairs, but you're righ

    by chrth

    t: it is about putting God in the science classroom. I was taught Biology (and thus Evolution) by a Nun, for Chris'sakes, and ID was never brought up (Catholics accept Evolution).

  • July 17, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    oops, it's just the Flash Player settings

    by skynetbauxi

    damn, and I thought it was some cool viral thingie :-)

  • July 17, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    I think...

    by Kragmose

    No, I got nothing. Sorry.

  • July 17, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Back on ze topic

    by chrth

    It's impossible at this point to start bouncing about what influences are going to appear in the movie because we don't really know. Yes, Miss Liberty's Head taking a vacation from her body could be symbolic of Isis, but it could also be the standard "demonstrate the degree of seriousness by destroying a treasured monument" cliche that we've seen in POTA, ID4, etc. We can't actually make the intuitive leap to Isis until we've established that there are Egyptian or Imperial Roman influences in the film.<p> That said, we do know that there is a Greek influence because of the trailer (before you go nuts, I'm making a pun).

  • July 17, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Of course, I have a more serious question

    by chrth

    Who the FUCK would buy Prison Break figurines? I mean, really, who?

  • July 17, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    are you really sure you're not JettL93?

    by just pillow talk

    And that question chrth would probably have a disturbing answer. MRX67, why did you buy your prison break figurines?

  • July 17, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Speculations Are Based on ACTUAL EVIDENCE

    by epevensie

    And Chrth, the fact that we don't KNOW what the influences are is the reason why we can speculate at all. You agree that, "Yes, Miss Liberty's Head taking a vacation from her body could be symbolic of Isis, but it could also be the standard "demonstrate the degree of seriousness by destroying a treasured monument" cliche that we've seen in POTA, ID4, etc. We can't actually make the intuitive leap to Isis until we've established that there are Egyptian or Imperial Roman influences in the film."<p>Although I certainly can't PROVE the "Egyptian" influence in the film, website info previously discussed ad nauseum has already pointed us towards Albert Pike and Freemasonry, which necessarily leads to the Illuminati and the pagan representation of ISIS which we know as the Statue of Liberty. Read the history of Lady Liberty - she is not merely "symbolic of Isis," she IS ISIS. (See my previous posts.)<p> While I agree that the film may be overtly "simple," the EVIDENCE so far is that it will reference lots of different mythologies concerning over-sized destructive entities to the extent that it might be more than a simple "monster movie." My posts are detailed because they has to be - if you don't know the mythologies and histories at issue, you can't see the connections.<p> Again, the beheading of the Statue of Liberty (who is not figuratively, BUT ACTUALLY a depiction of the Egyptian Goddess ISIS which was originally intended to be installed at the Suez Canal) by the trailer's "monster" would seem to DIRECTLY mirror the decapitation of Isis in the Delta Cycle by HER SON. (See the Slusho! history regarding the apparent origin of "the monster" which takes place in the context of a mother-son relationship.) Similarly, the 9/11 connections to Babylonia are overt and fodder for religious conspiracy/NWO theories which gain traction every day. Moreover, these possibilities are all extremely cool. Why wouldn't you want to see a movie about a rampaging monster that is revealed to actually be a demon - Moloch, Baal, or Lucifer himself? How about a film in which Dick Cheney reveals to George Bush that he (Cheney) is actually an acolyte of Cthulhu and that George Bush's efforts to bring about the New World Order has resulted in the release of a ravening beast harboring a hate of all things human?

  • July 17, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    News link

    by CrazySlasher

    http://i15.tinypic.com/6cemxoh.jpg

  • July 17, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    There are already ties between Cthulhu and Dagon

    by superninja

    in the Cthulhu mythos which could be tied into the Biblical apocalypse and merge a lot of these elements.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    epevensie

    by superninja

    I know what you are referring to, but what gives you the idea that Abrams and the writer of this film are that steeped in this sort of pagan mythos to use the Statue of Liberty in such a fashion? I highly doubt it. It would be interesting if they had collected all of these elements to make a conspiracy film like that but it usually doesn't happen in Hollywood.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    If you are serious, then you are fucking insane. Period. I pray to the God of all that is holy that you are not in law enforcement, because, sweet Jesus, no wonder it isn't safe to walk the streets at night. If you are not fucking kidding about this, then I can honestly tell you that you are truly fucking stupid.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Ok, I need to ask this at the risk of getting smacked

    by chrth

    But where exactly are people getting 9/11 stuff from the trailer? As far as I can tell, the events depicted would generate the same reactions even if 9/11 hadn't occurred. Or are people getting it from a different source?

  • July 17, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    MORI, HARRY...ANYBODY!!!

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Can you PLEASE call the Mark Gordon company and get a fucking statement from them on the status of the Voltron movie? Harry, I am about to e-mail you the ocntact info...

  • July 17, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I don't think there are 9/11 references in the trailer

    by superninja

    it's just that it gives off a 9/11 vibe taking place in New York and the people running in the streets and the new image with the ash and dust on the 1-18 site.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Hmmm... Maybe its...

    by Woggie

    this <p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Dark_Tea-Time_of_the_Soul

  • July 17, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Guys, Harry's on his honeymoon. Mori is probably

    by chrth

    still in Texas, and everybody else associated with the site is probably working (well, except Herc of course). Throw in the fact that this is essentially a stale TB at this point, and posting comments to Harry, Mori, et al. is not likely to generate a response.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    superninja: yeah, but the same thing happened in ...

    by chrth

    Godzilla (with Broderick) and Die Hard 3. So instead of drawing parallels to 9/11, I think we should be doing that with Die Hard 3. Rob is Bruce Willis, the cameraman (who looks a lot like Rob by the way) is Samuel L. Jackson, and the monster is Jeremy Irons trying to loot all the gold downtown.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by JeremiahTheProphet

    Once gain, I agree with your post. Who says that it has to be a straight-cut Cthulhu movie? It could be incoporating a lot of end-of-the-world scenarios. I was actually going to write a book using and idea like tha, but I decided to do the book series I originally was going to do instead. Oh, well... <p> So saith the Prophet! <p> Long live TFD!!!

  • July 17, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    9/11?

    by epevensie

    The explosions and destruction take place in Lower Manhattan, in the former vicinity of the WTC. I agree that any scene of such destruction in NYC will evoke images of 9/11, but this seems altogether intentional; if not, it it will probably be deemed remarkably insensitive. Further, the third photo on the 1-18-08 site, depicting survivors struggling to breath in soot-filled air, could easily have been taken on 9/11.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Wait, I got it!

    by chrth

    Ok, so following on my last post. The monster is not only Jeremy Irons in DH3, he's also Jeremy Irons in Dungeons and Dragons. So the monster is really the unleashed red dragons being used as a distraction so that the gold in Wall Street can be stolen. That explains the trajectories: more than one dragon.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I sincerely hope you're kidding about all this, because if you're not then you are a fucking lunatic. It's in Mori's hands now...I just sent him an e-mail with the contact info for the Mark Gordon Company. Now let me ask you a serious question: What will it take to convince you that this is not Voltron? Will a statement from Mark Gordon's office do the trick? And if not, what will? Because if NOTHING will convince you that this isn't Voltron until the day the fucking movie comes out and isn't Voltron...you are certifiable.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by just pillow talk

    After what you have posted throughout this talkback, you are clearly just as disturbed as JettL93. Or as young. Either way, go fuck off.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    epevensie: it's not that I don't think you're right

    by chrth

    I just think it's a bad idea. There's a depth present in your analysis that is akin to Matrix Revolutions. Sure, it's a cool fact that Rama Kandra is standing with Sati (sacrifice) between him and Neo (the 6th incarnation) in Mobil Ave station, but if you don't know this while watching the movie, it's something that's lost on you ... and thus the movie is forced to depend on its non-mythological aspects for its appeal. The reason the first Matrix was so well-received was the fact that the Philosophy was surface and pretty much universal. By the time of the 3rd movie, though, it became a mess because it no longer was universal, it was specific and deep. And while I'm not arguing that moviegoers are unable to handle it, the point is there's no time to learn during the course of the movie.<p> Which is why deep mythology of that sort works best in a TV Show like Lost or Alias. There's plenty of time between eps to expound, declaim, debate, and learn. As a show unfolds its mythology, the audience can embrace its mythology.<p> I guess my point is: The average American isn't familiar with the SoL as Isis aspect. Therefore, such an element is not well-suited for a movie.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Satan Laughing Spreads His Wings.

    by TheBloop

    Any one else want to hear some Black Sabbath in the next trailer for this movie?

  • July 17, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Slusho!

    by Woggie

    The mountains in the background on the home page are a mirror image to each other. Has anyone tried to do an old Mad Magazine fold up on any of the backgrounds?

  • July 17, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    When the camera is dropped on the staircase

    by chrth

    It's picked up by Rob ... or someone that looks like Rob. But when we get to the street, Rob isn't holding the camera. So, is the cameraman Rob's brother or something?

  • July 17, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Steeped in Mythos?

    by epevensie

    I agree that it is unlikely that the writer would have a film such as I've envisioned leap Minerva-like from his head. But once he decided to incorporate ancient mythos, only a moderate amount of research would be needed to play dot-to-dot with the ideas I've enumerated. (You can play the game yourself - just jump from page to page and read up on Albert Pike, Freemasonry, the Statute of Liberty, Isis, Babylon, the Beast of Revelations, etc.) While I agree that this usually doesn't happen in Hollywood, it can; hence the hype. In the end, the use of potent imagery and "symbols" can lend the project a seriousness it might not otherwise possess, elevating it above standard popcorn-movie fare. Isn't it more likely that the filmmakers would focus their attention on fleshing out plot points and thematic elements rather than the invention of anagrams?

  • July 17, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    demonology

    by nothing of value to add

    with the possible link to freemasonry, which actually stated out with good intentions way back when, the possibilty of the great big gate of hell being groaned open and subsequently releasing the fireball and raining brimstone. then 'it' comes out and because there are no impact tremors maybe it's flying and rips the head off the sol and drops it from a height. or maybe its my mother in law. shes pretty mean... and i look a little like lady liberty.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    The possibility was eliminated the second that JJ Abrams' people said this was an original property. Or the second that you saw the producer/writers/studio are different. Or the second someone raised the point that there is going to be a massive marketing push for Voltron because it is going to be an incredibly expensive movie to make and will need to make a shitload of loot to turn a profit...and that marketing campaign would have started six months ago if the movie is coming in January 2008. I am not saying with any kind of certainty that it is Cthulhu. I am, however, saying that it is 100% not Voltron. And you know that, too. The only reason you're still beating this dead horse is because you think it's funny to pretend you're retarded. So I will play along and treat you like a retard. Your "theories" on why this is Voltron, particularly your theories about the "clues" on the Slusho site, are some of the dumbest things I have ever heard my entire life. EVER. And I have heard some pretty dumb shit. You constantly say crap like "I see why so many people could vote for Bush, now...nobody likes to listen to facts..." You fucking imbecile: PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON THAT BUSH IS PRESIDENT. And people like you are the reason that we are in Iraq. YOU are the one who doesn't listen to facts. YOU are the one who predetermines the conclusion of your theory and then makes up shit to support it. You are the one who clings to blind faith in the face of irrefutable evidence that contradicts your belief. You scoff at people on this site who say they are writers, etc., yet you claim to be a detective...and you don't even know the definition of the word "fact". Listen, Sherlock, why don't you detect the fucking meaning in a dictionary and then tell me that what you're preseting are facts. The "fact" that people think of Mexico when they see a donkey? You don't even know it's a donkey! It could be a horse...so what then? The "fact" that the colors on the site are the same as Voltron's colors? Those are PRIMARY COLORS, asshole. A lot of shit has those colors. If they wanted to give a clue about Voltron, why the fuck wouldn't they put a lion on there? Or even a cat with a crown (king of the jungle...eh...eh...)? I might be getting seriously frustrated that a "grown" man can be so God damned obtuse if it wasn't so much fun fucking with you.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Unchained Voltron by MRX67

    by BillyPilgrim

    Whoa! My love, my Voltron,<br> I hunger for French cheese,<br> Alone. Lonely time.<br> And time goes by, so slowly,<br> And time can do so much,<br> Are you still mine?<br> I need Voltron.<br> I need Voltron.<br> Voltron speed your love to me.<p> Lonely rivers flow to Mexico, with donkeys,<br> To the open arms of Voltron.<br> Lonely fanboys sigh, its the french cheese and Mexican donkeys,<br> I'll be coming home Voltron, wait for me.<p> Whoa! My love, my Voltron,<br> I hunger, hunger!, for cheese,<br> For donkeys. Voltron time.<br> And time goes by, so slowly,<br> And time can do so much,<br> Are you still mine?<br> I need Voltron.<br> I need Voltron.<br> Voltron speed your love to me.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Completely Agree, chrth

    by epevensie

    Your reference to the Matrix overkill is directly on point. <p>However, I certainly wouldn't expect that many of these symbols and themes would be directly presented in the film ; I just think the filmmakers might understand these connections and appreciate them in a private, inside-joke manner. More importantly, they properly know that, if done right, these are the kinds of elements that lead folks like me to come back to a movie more than once, and even elevate it to "classic" and/or "cult-film" status.<p>Also, regarding the suitability of episodic TV for the exploration of intricate or complex themes, I note that I don't yet believe that the denials that this is not a "Lost" film, or a film set in the "Lost" universe. As I've said, I've never seen an episode of the show, but understand that JJ's apparently got a lot of explaining to do, and Cloverfield may be a good vehicle for such purpose...

  • July 17, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Plot points? Yes. Thematic elements? No.

    by chrth

    Or, I should say, Yes they should focus on Plot Points, but No they should not focus on Thematic elements. You can put as many layers of mythos and allegory on a story that you want but if you do too much you might lose sight of the core plot -- or you might become so beholden to a thematic element that you deviate from your plot to incorporate it. At that point, things start to fall apart.<p> Ideally, the thematic elements become interpreted naturally even if they weren't deliberately placed in the movie. Example: Cipher in the Matrix. On the one hand his name is a perfect hacker name. On the other hand, there's a short distance from Cipher to Lucifer. Nice, right? Here's the fun part: we don't know if it was intentional. It could just be a happy accident.<p>But now look at Mobil Ave. The name appears in the background during both main conversations in the station: Sati and Neo and Neo and Rama Kandra. The Wachowskis are practically begging us to interpret it, and of course, it's easily done: Mobil=Limbo. It's OBVIOUS what they're trying to get across. Ditto HEL (I mean, did the Merovingian REALLY have to tell us they have 'gone through hell' to drive home the point?).<p> To quote the Simpsons: The whole thing smacked of effort. Once you start digging that deep with mythos, and you're forced to point out the allusions, they are no longer interesting; in fact, they start to distract from the movie. <p> What did work in that scene? The fact that they had to climb a staircase to get to the Merovingian after fighting upside-down guys at the entrace. Why? Dante's Inferno: Dante had to climb an upside-down Lucifer to leave Hell and get to Purgatory. But if you didn't know that, it was a bunch of guys fighting upside down for no reason!<p> So to conclude: generic mythos is universal. Let it come to the movie rather than make the movie come to it.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    nothing of value to add

    by just pillow talk

    Sorry to hear that your mother-in-law likes to terrorize NYC. Good luck with that.<p>Don't even bother with him General...

  • July 17, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Eh, I'm just bored...there's nothing new of interest on here and I find the guy to be both slightly entertaining AND slightly painful to deal with. I've been pretty convinced for a few days already that the guy's kidding...I wouldn't be so insulting towards him if I really thought he was serious. So fuck his stupid "theories".

  • July 17, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    The cameraman is prob Rob's best friend. It says so

    by superninja

    during the party scene when the guy eating sushi makes this comment.

  • July 17, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    MI:3 and J,J. Abrams

    by zooch

    People hate on MI:3 cause they couldn't look past it's star and see it for what it was. The rescue/helicopter chase at the beginning and the bridge scene are some best directed action sequences I've ever seen! Everyone brings up Armageddon, but give the guy a break, You know that piece of shit was ALL Michael Bay's doing. His Superman script depite flaws in character was also ambitiuos, more epic and action packed than Superman Returns was. J.J. is just a great idea man, he comes up with great concepts (ie. LOST) and has an amazing team of creative people work with and is a geek who loves Star Wars and Star Trek.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    superninja: we know he's his friend, but watch it again

    by chrth

    It looks like the camera is dropped around 1:15. At 1:17 someone who looks a lot like Rob picks up the camera. But we don't see the camera passed on to anyone.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Fight the power MRX67!

    by BillyPilgrim

    Its Galileo vs the Catholic Church all over again!

  • July 17, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    epevensie

    by superninja

    I agree that it's not that hard to connect the dots once you know what to look for but you would have to assume that Abrams and the writer are interested enough in the result to do so, and I propose that what you get instead is more along the lines of National Treasure.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    BillyPilgrim: Um, Galileo lost ...

    by chrth

    and looked old and pathetic in doing so. I think Rocky versus Apollo Creed would be a better allusion to shoot for.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    sorry pillow talk and general jack

    by nothing of value to add

    i have as little clue as really everyone else on here. we all have directions that we tend to lean based on probably what we want to see. some "theories" hold more water than others and i dont claim that mine is the definate one. the site is funny at times and sad at others. my comments are retarded most of the time pillow talk. but quite frankly so are 99% of the rhetoric and slamming that goes on. general i saw your web site just now and very cool. and no its not a suck up it was very cool. anyway, i will rethink before i hit the return key on future posts.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    I know what you're talking about but I just

    by superninja

    assume that Rob picks it up and gives it back to him!

  • July 17, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    BillyPilgrim

    by Drathan

    I hadnt laughed this hard in ages man. You have my respect.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Chrth

    by BillyPilgrim

    Just as MRX67 will look when this is all over. Not sure about old, but certainly pathetic.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    But you're fucking kidding...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    And I've decided to play along and to mess with you. What other reasons do I need? Let's see...not only do I not "care" what you post on here, I'm pretty sure I have encouraged you to post because you are the most entertaining thing about this thread since any real theories have hit a brick wall. And MY "wild ass theories"? You're TOTALLY fucking kidding. My ONLY wild-ass theory is that you are either playing around or are the dumbest person I have ever encountered. "Process of elimination"? Again, you ARE kidding, right? Explain to me again how you used the process of elimination to decipher that the blue oven mitt on the Slusho site is there because Voltron's sword would be too hot to hold without it; explain to me how you eliminated every other possible thing it could represent. And don't worry, I know what the process of elimination means; I use it all the time (see "my ONLY wild-ass theory" above). It looks like you can't even fucking read (or are at least pretending to be illiterate), since I clearly said in one of my last posts, "I am not saying with any kind of certainty that it is Cthulhu." I asked you a simple question before, so if you're so serious, why don't you answer it: What will it take to convince you that this movie isn't Voltron?

  • July 17, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    BillyPilgrim: Yeah, but Galileo was right in the end ..

    by chrth

    Now I'm confused ... are you saying that MRX67 will be vindicated?

  • July 17, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    but not the correct one chrth...

    by just pillow talk

    Billy's is probably the more realistic one. And I tend to agree with ninja that we won't be getting anything too deep from this movie.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    nothing of value to add - I wasn't busting your chops

    by just pillow talk

    on that one...I found it pretty amusing actually, especially since one of my friends was just venting about his father-in-law.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    nothing of value

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Thanks for the kind words, but the actual web-site (www.cosmo-verse.com) IS a piece of shit...but we're working on that. If you think the art, etc., looks cool, I encourage you to follow the links on the web-site (toward the bottom) to the myspace and comicspace pages...there's a lot more stuff on there to look at.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Case in point:

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    "I have to admit though, i got you idiots talking about it." And THAT is how I know you're kidding, fucker.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Chrth

    by BillyPilgrim

    It's all so confusing. Damn you JJ Abrams! Damn you to hell!

  • July 17, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    If you would stop pretending to be illiterate and just play along with the game you started, you would see that in one of my posts above I discuss sending Moriarty an e-mail (already done) with contact info for the producer listed on IMDB as being the guy who's making Voltron. Hopefully we get a statement...and I am 100% sincere when I say I can't wait to see how you bob & weave your way around that one...

  • July 17, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by nothing of value to add

    no problem at all. there is so much seriousness in alot of these its confusing to know what is directed where. right now nobody has a clue which direction is up, they just know that the other guys direction isnt up. i agree that some of the 'proof positives' that some people offer are a little thin, which is usually entertaining. usually.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    BTW, I already sited www.hcdonline.com as a source that you can use to verify Mr. Gordon does NOT have any kind of deal with Paramount.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    the idea of intellgient design

    by rdsxfan8

    is all well and good but I gave up on it and joined up with the flying spaghetti monster and the pastafarians RAMEN

  • July 17, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I'm losing feeling in my right arm, and I hear buzzing.

    by The Dum Guy

    From all the possible reasons for this "monster" to be.<br><br>Freemasons, check. Voltron, check. Satan, check and check. Cthulhu, check. Santa Claus, wait a minute, here's an original...<br><br>As I continue to read all the TBs regarding this, I can't help but wonder if MRX is serious? I'm not going to debate something I don't know, but I don't understand how you could continue to believe that it is Voltron, in fact until I starting reading these TBs I had no idea what/who Voltron was.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Dude, I think I love you. I am so convinced that you are playing around at this point...and I am not going to lie: I am having a lot of fun going back and forth like this. I DO like the oven mitt connections, but not because I think they're accurate: I think they're funny. You really called Mark Gordon's office? That's fucking AWESOME! Did you get the number out of the Hollywood Creative Directory or what? Anyway...explain to me again what the story in the history section means, and how it relates to Voltron.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Handheld Camera fun

    by chrth

    The movie isn't the Blair Witch Project; there is no reason to have the entire thing filmed with a handheld camera. Heck, why pick up the camera when it's dropped? The 'filmmaker' is not going to have the camera going the whole time; it's unrealistic.<p> So what does that mean. 1 of 2 things: 1, the movie switches from handheld camera to regular film at some point. Considering how much is shown in the trailer, though, this seems unlikely to me (maybe even jarring to the viewer). 2, then, this is being watched by somebody after the fact. So it's a nested scene. Which indicates there will be more.<p> One last thought on the camera. Rob seems to over-react to the 'earthquake' when at the window. Maybe he knows what's going on ... and that's why he picked up the camera.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    No offense, but if that's how they're adapting Voltron

    by superninja

    count me out. Voltron via camcorder? What's next - He-Man via newsreels?

  • July 17, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I believe it's been reported that it will be done

    by superninja

    via camcorder. Maybe it was reported erroneously.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    ZS: Your reading comprehension skills are baffling

    by chrth

    Where did I indicate at any point that I was a Creationist?

  • July 17, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    what if

    by rdsxfan8

    insted of voltron its CAPTAIN PLANET Werent there "6" parts ( well 5 but wehen put together formed one more.... earth , wind, fire, water, and heart and the heart= the fishes luv of cheese and the ovenmitt= the fire element.... I mean come on... throwing out a number and than claiming you've factored out all other choices is illogical. i just got all that off the top of my head and am in no way thinking it is gonna be capt planet or voltron related. just mreely showing you there are other options out there that those "truths or facts" as you call them can apply to.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    zombie

    by nothing of value to add

    is it that bad? that people choose to believe certain things about existence(which you spelled wrong, maybe that spelling chromosome wasnt in the primordial slime you developed from)

  • July 17, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I still think the best interpretation so far is

    by chrth

    the Jeremy Irons DH3/D&D one.<p> A lot of people are saying the trailer evokes 9/11, but you know what it reminds me of? The Children of Men opening.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Yes, the Voltron people are dead serious.

    by superninja

    If you go read the script review over at Latino Review there are several things that are vaguely similar to the trailer including the giant Robeast, NY location and apocalyptic theme.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions likes to express his tolerance

    by superninja

    whenever possible. :)

  • July 17, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    mrx & general

    by jedimindflayer

    this aint voltron (honestly, no one cares about voltron- not even in like 1986 when it was "popular"), and it aint a standalone flick either. this viral marketing crap (if it does exsist- i'm not entirely convinced; we just may be seeing black dogs in tealeaves here) is set up to generate some serious buzz about something... but a $30m monster flick? i think NOT. this is a cover or- more likely- a smokescreen for another paramount project up-and-coming; the 011808 date is most likely a release date for a proper trailer released on the net, most likely, or attached to another film. hm... any thoughts as to what this paramount property could be? ;)

  • July 17, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    ZS, you really should be more accepting of Christianity

    by Abin Sur

    ...isn't Jesus technically the original zombie?

  • July 17, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams has chosen Voltron. Here's why.

    by chrth

    Because Michael Bay stole Transformers from him.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams has chosen Voltron. Here's why.

    by chrth

    Because Michael Bay got to Transformers first.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Having some fun on the net

    by TK8103

    Wasn't that what JJ told Harry? Looks like he's having some fun alright, at the expense of obsessive theorists everywhere.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Damn double post!

    by chrth

    Curse this Internets!

  • July 17, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    abin sur

    by nothing of value to add

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • July 17, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    MRX67 do you really want this to be the

    by superninja

    Voltron movie? That script over at Latino Review sounds terrible.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    The Statue of Liberty

    by limedelsol

    is in the middle of water. So I would think whatever it is would be coming from the water to knock her head of like that.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    A lot of people are messing around and just

    by superninja

    joking. I don't think the Cthulhu angle is a crazy theory a lot can be inferred from The Call of Cthulhu, not to mention Abrams has already used Lovecraft references.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    jedimindflayer

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Briefly, because I've already pointed this out in this huge tb: 30 million is PLENTY to shoot a monster flick seen entirely from the perspective of a wannabe survivor and shot in the "camcorder" style of the trailer, particularly with no big name stars/writers/director attached. You could shoot all the live action footage AND market the movie for 10-15 million TOPS, and have 15-20 million left over for effects...which is PLENTY given the shooting style/concept.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Technically, Jesus is not a zombie not being

    by superninja

    the walking dead, but alive and fully in possession of all of his faculties and then some. :)

  • July 17, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Two things (# 2 re: jedimindflayer)

    by chrth

    One, I've decided ZS is a Bot. It finds a keyword of some sort 'B ush', 'Cr eationism', 'Eco nomy' (spaces deliberately added to prevent keywords being picked up) and then autoposts from a pregenerated list of rants. It makes perfect sense when you think about it. Two, viral marketing of a trailer release date would be a ballsy move. But I could see it backfiring, so I don't think anyone would risk it.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    There is also a myspace page...

    by limedelsol

    its myspace.com/wellmissyourob. its pretty much a closed private page and Im not too sure if its a fake or not. It says owners name is Jason and it has comments just based on the upcoming party on 1-18-08.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    now that sounds like it chrth

    by just pillow talk

    COM had the same sort of calm before the storm..and them bam...bye-bye cafe. <p>C'mon Zombie, just because someone believes in God, that makes them horrifying? You know what is horrifying? Extremists of any sort who think one side is crazy just because they don't believe in their beliefs.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    GeneralJackCosmo I agree.

    by superninja

    Some times a cigar is just a cigar.

  • July 17, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Blair Witch. If they are using the same concept

    by superninja

    then than demonstrates it can be done. They said 50% of the budget goes to FX.

  • July 17, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    Think about it, with special effects if you are using

    by superninja

    a camcorder you can cheat it a bit because the images don't have to be crisp and glossy, they just have to look real enough. It would not require thousands of hours people do this kind of stuff now in commercials all the time. <p> I WISH Abrams had made Transformers. I doubt he would've used that script and story.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    plus

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I think a lot of people are sayig 30 million is too low because we're assuming that the film's effects are going to all be cgi...but based on some of the discussions here and elswhere, it looks like there is info out there indicating that Phil Tippett is working on the creature. If that is the case, and this entire movie is going to be shot at night and in the grainy style of the trailer, then who's to say Tippett isn't just using the go-motion process he pioneered for Empire, Jedi, et al.? With a little bit of cgi tweaking, I'm sure that would look great in a film like this...and could be done on the cheap...

  • July 17, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    rdsxfan8, damnit I was thinking Captain Planet, too but

    by The Dum Guy

    But realized that it would be too over the top since Captain Planet is a hero, and he's going to take polution down to zero. Why would he blow things up? It is not environmentaly friendly, however if Al Gore and Captain Planet fought for the power of being the biggest conservationist, then it maybe possible.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    MRX, The Machinist was shot for, I think, around...

    by The Dum Guy

    20-million, but then again, it was shot in Spain doubling for L.A.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    hecho in mexico!!!

    by infosys

    So Voltron is going to be made by mexican child laborers from stolen crap!!! the lions will be low-riders!!!

  • July 17, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    mrx67

    by nothing of value to add

    you are a writer?

  • July 17, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    kurzinski valentine...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...my initial post to Drew on this thread was directed ... really to you... based on your continued attacks on both myself and red ned on the previous thread... <p> ...knowing that Moriarty is an intelligent man, I reasoned he would respond to my post exactly as he did... <p> ...clarifying his position... and supporting my own position which you continually attacked over at the other TB regardless of how plainly I tried to explain it to you... <p> ...have you read Drew's post directed to me? ... he says exactly the same thing I said to you over and over again... and yet you kept attacking me for it... <p> ... now you pretend you said the same thing Mori did... <p> ...it was red ned who explained to me that you were a troll... I had never called you such... <p> however, by your own repeated actions, I must say... if the bridge fits... get under it.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    general jack

    by nothing of value to add

    we are practically neighbors. South Bend. are you eventually going to add a character known as mrx67 to your comic?

  • July 17, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Blair Witch came out in 1999 and cost only 60 THOUSAND. Here are some more recent movies that looked A LOT better and cost under 30 MILLION: Memento/2001/9 million; American Psycho/2000/7 million; Rules of Attraction/2002/4 million; Running Scared/2006/15 million; Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon/2000/17 million; Hostel/2006/4.8 million; Devil's Rejects/2005/7 million...I can keep going with more FACTS if you'd like...

  • July 17, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    mrx67

    by nothing of value to add

    hats off to you. whats it about....please dont say its about voltron.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I got my info off of www.boxofficemojo.com

  • July 17, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    ouch

    by nothing of value to add

    that hurt

  • July 17, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Once again

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I think a lot of people are saying 30 million is too low because we're assuming that the film's effects are going to all be cgi...but based on some of the discussions here and elswhere, it looks like there is info out there indicating that Phil Tippett is working on the creature. If that is the case, and this entire movie is going to be shot at night and in the grainy style of the trailer, then who's to say Tippett isn't just using the go-motion process he pioneered for Empire, Jedi, et al.? With a little bit of cgi tweaking, I'm sure that would look great in a film like this...and could be done on the cheap...Finally, ask Lloyd Kaufmann or Roger Corman how far they could stretch 30 million. Or ask any tv producer...like, I don't know, JJ Abrams for example...

  • July 17, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    the banning of antsypantsy...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...after having talkbacked for at least a couple of years as Prof.Ikamono, I partook in a stupid prank... <p> ...it was very funny at first... even Harry got a big laugh out of it. <p> ...but we took it too far... I continued with the disruption of AICN, long, long, after it stopped being funny... <p> I was rightfully banned. <p> I humbly returned to the TalkBacks and wrote my name backwards in penance... for six months or so I was Onomaki Forp... <p> I waited until I felt I had earned the right to come back as PROF IKAMONO, using this emphatic form of my original userID to state in effect, that I was NEVER to behave destructively on the threads again... <p> Oh, I might post some silly shit from time to time, but I am sworn never to cause disruption of the function of this website again... <p> So I am amazed at this Antsy person, who was banned by Drew, right before our eyes for continuously lying and accusing Harry and Drew of all sorts of shit... would come back in seconds on this same thread and continue the same bullshit!!! <p> ...what kind of an ass is that? Not even a "Gee, I might have taken that to far..." No the bastard still thinks it's his right to come into Harry and Drew's "house" as it were and start pissing on the furniture! <p> I cannot imagine what motivates people like this... <p> there must be something wrong with their souls...

  • July 17, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Also, MRX67...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    You kind of missed my point about the budgets. No, none of those films have the kind of effects this one will have. They also didn't cost 30 million. Take American Psycho, for example. That movie only cost 7 million, was shot on film (which is more time-consuming and thus more expensive than dv), and much of it was shot on location. For 7 million. Which would have left 23 million to show a monster fucking up that city. That's my point.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I hope they are going the route that has been suggested

    by superninja

    because I think that style would work great with a monster movie and of course as other films have done it can add a lot of suspense and terror instead of the big budget glossy disaster films which have none. Plus, these films require your imagination to participate in the movie instead of showing you everything.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    clearly a squel to planet of the apes reboot.

    by PVIII

    the clues are all there. In the trailer, executive producer is Tim Burton. Helena Bonham Cater is attached to place someone crazy. The roar is the returning monkeys through the time portal. Voltron also co-stars. Mark Whalberg will not be returning. from variety.com.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    PROF IKAMONO

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    If you think him coming back to slag Mori and Harry even further is bad, then you should check out his little blog. The guy has a hateful hard-on for AICN. Not only that, he's apparently taken it upon himself to make his blog your one-stop-shop for all things Cloverfield. I think he's looking for a little internet fame.

  • July 17, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    "scooby-dooing"

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...it that's what we're doing, can I be Daphne ... and go off looking for "clues" with Fred in the back of the Mystery Machine while Shaggy, Scooby, and Velma do all the work? <p> ... Fred has a very big "clue"...

  • July 17, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    clearly the new star trek movie.

    by PVIII

    the people at the party are the new crew of the enterprise. spock is the asian guy. the roar is from a borg invasion, helped, in part, by voltron. Written by Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Score by Michael Giacchino. Boffo box office reciepts expected. No news on the new skien from Abrams however. from variety.com.

  • July 17, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    So why does Rob hand it to the guy? (& Prof)

    by chrth

    You're careening down a staircase because the building you're in is being hit by flaming debris. Who the Fuck cares about a camera in that situation? I can see the camera dude himself grabbing, but why does Rob go out of his way to do it?<p> What up, Prof? Should've known you'd show back up here ;)

  • July 17, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The one thing I find the most interesting...

    by decypher44

    The one thing I find the most interesting... <p> You can hear the "roar" much, MUCH louder then the huge explosion.

  • July 17, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Lost prophet

    by emeraldboy

    In what way do i ashame your irish blood?. I dont know you and I have never met you, I am only one person in a country of 4.5 milliion people.

  • July 17, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Also, the first "roar" sounds like

    by decypher44

    The first roar sounds like a whale out of water. Remember in Star Trek 4 (!), when they had to put the whale song from the probe into a program to synthesize what it would sound like under water?

  • July 17, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Maybe there is more than one and it's closer

    by superninja

    than you realize, but just out of sight?

  • July 17, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Yes, why would he want to film anything when

    by superninja

    they're just trying to get off the rooftop? It makes sense to hand it back to the owner. He turns it off and then when they get to ground level begins recording again.

  • July 17, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I checked upm voltron on Imdb and it

    by emeraldboy

    and it is being released in 2008 but it is not written by the guy who wrote 1-18-08. The write is a guy called Justin Marks. and this is the plot summary..... This updated telling of the VOLTRON story follows a team of space explorers who travel to the planet Arus and learn how to operate Voltron, the last hope against the evil Drule Empire that has subjugated Earth and taken control of the universe

  • July 17, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Hey, chrth!

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...a few days ago on one of these "cloverfield" TBs I asked Wonka if he knew where you were... <p> ...I said "chrth could figure all this out if anybody could" or something to that effect... <p> glad ya finally showed up... <p> I explored a lot of the stuff e(mund)pevensie has hashed over a long time ago... <p> I think Pike (a large carniverous fish) is a red herring...

  • July 17, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    If it had a freemason angle why would they hit

    by superninja

    NYC instead of DC?

  • July 17, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ...since someone asked...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ...Japanese for blue oven mitt would be "aomito", horse "uma", cheese "chizu" (chizu is also the Japanese for "map"), fish "sakana", duck "ahiru", and balloon "kikkyu"

  • July 17, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Oh Lord

    by FlatChestedHarmony

    I see AICN is still taking credit for breaking news on Cloverfield long after it was broken elsewhere. That's really pathetic. Arthur

  • July 17, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Awwww shiiiiit...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    The web's premiere investigative journalist returns!!! AntsyChested, do you bring links to prove the truth of your allegations, or are you simply here to continue the unsubstantiated bullshit rants you began two days ago? You, my friend, are the fucking pathetic one. See, in the real world, when you accuse someone of something, particularly a crime, you need to back up your claim with PROOF. As opposed to your world, in which you were one of the cool kids(?!) and we are all a bunch of blind, delusional idiots (a world that's about as real as fucking Narnia and Mongo), where someone can just make shit up and everyone pats them on the back for exposing such heinous corruption. Yeah, welcome back you stupid fucking asshole.

  • July 17, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    This trailer reminds me of Without Warning

    by TheNorthlander

    It's a great little forgotten about TV movie that's out on DVD, and it's completely shot as news casts that continually interfere another movie you're supposedly watching. The news casts are all about how the earth may or may not (you find out at the end) be under alien attack as asteroids start crashing into the planet. It's got a VERY similar feel to it. Really cool stuff. imdb link: http://tinyurl.com/ypxo7y

  • July 17, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    This fucking dipshit...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    posts little gems like this on his blog: "The only thing the AICN crowd has ever broken is a theater seat." Yeah, because he knows all of us, and we're all a bunch of fat fucks. You stupid cocksucker, I'd love the opportunity to laugh in your fucking face in person.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by Zybon

    You do realize the 401 Broadway sign is real right? <p> http://tinyurl.com/yvkrbw is the same shot as in the trailer except not in the middle of the street and a few meters closer.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    "It would be like watching the UN break down (only the participants would have a deeper appreciation for collectibles)." GOOD SHIT! Seriously, though, I would gladly climb into the ring with a stupid asshole like FlatChestedAntsy...one of my pet peeves is people who hide behind the veil of anonymity provided by the internet and then relentlessly talk shit to people they'll never actually meet.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for Comic-con!!!

    by decypher44

    Just under two weeks to go. I hope they do it on Saturday as that's when I'll be there.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Which I realize...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    I am kind of doing now, but if he did want to fight me I'm sure we could set something up.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Well, looks like next Thursday

    by decypher44

    I don't know where MRX67 got all of that info (looks like copy/paste), but if it will be announced at Comic Con, it will most likely be Thursday. JJ will be attending two panels that day.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    NYPOST

    by Zybon

    Heres the article from the NYPOST posted on the 16th: http://tinyurl.com/2rwkw9

  • July 17, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by Zybon

    1-18-08: "The footage is taken the day before everyone dies. A bunch of kids come to Coney Island with a video camera. The movie is a flashback to that day." <p> Voltron: "Humanity has gone underground. New York has been decimated and our story opens on the eve of the fifth anniversary of the Drule invasion." <p> So for Cloverfield, the movie is about New York being destroyed. In Voltron New York was destroyed 5 years prior to the movie taking place. The only way to still maintain a connection between this and Voltron would be to say that all this filming is only for the opening sequence.. which I find hard to believe.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Amen.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Amen to the whole...

    by GeneralJackCosmo

    Access Hollywood thing, I mean.

  • July 17, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Voltron

    by ebonic_plague

    I can't believe people actually think this is a trailer for fucking Voltron. Words fail me. Idiot children from the future/space piloting cartoon mechanical lions that hook together to form a giant metal man, attacking the Statue of Liberty and killing everyone in NYC, filmed like a Blair Witch horror mockumentary. Sure. Right. Although.... don't let Jon Peters read this... er, rather, don't anyone read this to Jon Peters.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    I wan one good reason...

    by JeremiahTheProphet

    why I should believe this is a Voltron movie. I mean, seriously, why would Hollywood wan to gamble with weather or not people will see a movie about giant space lions. Transformers was only made because everyone loves a good pointless action film with corny jokes and special effects. And Speilberg wanted it, so it was going to happen regardless. <p> Seriously, convince me. <p> So challengeth the Prophet!

  • July 17, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by Zybon

    Read the quote again. It says the WHOLE movie is a flashback to that day. Now it might be kind of cool if this was some kind of collaboration where Cloverfield is the prequel to the Voltron movie that will be released later... I don't know much about the industry though so I don't know how plausible this is :).

  • July 17, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    The Voltron script sounds like they are going for

    by superninja

    more of the unimaginative pseudo-realism approach. All of the lions are made up of scrap metal, the characters are tattooed or too cool for school, etc. It IS set in NYC, though, and there is a giant Robeast which is an alien sentinel of some kind.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    When they say flashback, I am assuming they

    by superninja

    mean in the sense that it was recorded on the day the big event took place in a pseudo-documentary style a la Blair Witch.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Why no TB on the upcoming film "The Last Legion"?

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    I didn't even know about it till I saw a story on it on yahoo. That looks pretty damn good and coming out in August.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Voltron is one of those things like Gatchaman

    by superninja

    where if you are going to make it and not keep the pop and anime influences - what's the point? That's one of the reasons I want to see if the Bros. W pull Speed Racer off. I think you can keep that look and tell a meaningful adventure story as long as you take the characters seriously and don't belittle them or talk down to the audience. It's just changing the window dressing.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

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  • July 17, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    If it was Voltron wouldn't you be kind of concerned

    by superninja

    that it's shot so low budget? Is someone going to be like, "Wow, I can't wait to see that giant robot that I can barely make out between the buildings."

  • July 17, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by JeremiahTheProphet

    Well, there was the aftermath of a wedding going on yesterday, so that might be the reason. <p> So saith the Prophet!

  • July 17, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Would you guys have felt cheated if they had shot

    by superninja

    Transformers this way? For instance if Spike had recorded a chapter in his adventure (the first meeting) and was playing it back for someone? The Sector 7 short of Grimlock was done in this style and I thought it worked really well with the classic design influence. It's kind of a neat way to get around the overly slick CGI and be able to tell the story and still have it grounded in realism.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    More angles

    by chrth

    Statue of Liberty head comes from the South and East (since it hits the right side of the street from our POV). The SoL is further to the west than the entire island of Manhattan, and Broadway at no point until you reach about 77th (mid-Central Park) has an angle that if you drew a line would fall west of the SOL. There is no way that the head of the SoL can come in from that angle naturally where it lands.<p> Conclusion -- presuming it's not a mistake -- the head has been carried and thrown after being ripped off the statue.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Clarification on the POV

    by chrth

    We're looking South down Broadway towards the Woolworth building when the head comes flying in. (in fact, the angle is pretty close to the picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Woolworth_building.jpg -- remove spaces, natch)

  • July 17, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    chrth

    by Zybon

    All that was covered before and doesn't really reveal anything

  • July 17, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Zybon: It does reveal one of two things

    by chrth

    1) The filmmakers screwed up<p> 2) It eliminates natural cause for the projectile. The removal of the head and its subsequent throwing were a deliberate act; granted, it might have been a mindless -- as opposed to calculated -- deliberate act, but it was deliberate.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Best night ever

    by Zybon

    "This is gonna be the best night ever." This is more evidence that the movie only takes place over one day (night.) I doubt that line would be at the end of the teaser if it was only depicting the opening sequence...

  • July 17, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Corollary

    by chrth

    If it was thrown, whatever threw it had to have a method to throw it. Could be a hand, maybe a pseudopod, maybe a lion's head used as a hand when joined to a large robot. We're eliminating the impossible here, whatever left ... well, you know.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Zybon: re Best Night Ever

    by chrth

    I got the same feeling. However, if the trailer is a flashback among many to that date, it's still usable that way. So the main narrative could be 'later' but the bulk of the movie is 1188. Cameron's Titanic is an example of what I'm talking about.

  • July 17, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Read "main narrative" as "framing narrative"

    by chrth

    I don't want any criticism from all the screenwriters in this forum ;)

  • July 17, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Opening sequence

    by Zybon

    By opening sequence I mean something as short as the depiction of the future at the beginning of Terminator 2. <p> This is the script review from Latino Review: http://tinyurl.com/2dxgwb <p> MRX67 is saying that all of this Cloverfield stuff is just for the opening sequence of that script... which just doesn't fit. <p> @MRX67: By the way, the owner of that Coney Island park may have said "alien" but that may have just been his interpretation of being told "monster." No need to take everything from word of mouth as 100% true.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Chrth, you know who's got a pseudopod?

    by Abin Sur

    That'd be Cthulhu's pop, also known as Mr. Yog-Sothoth. Thought we needed a Voltron breather...

  • July 17, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    alien

    by Zybon

    Or it could be an alien that has been on our planet for a very long time, only just recently being awakened.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    That's how it's being depicted

    by Zybon

    I'm surprised you're just now saying this. This is basically what the plot was implied to be this entire time.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    sigh

    by BadMrWonka

    I can't believe he's still going...<p>chrth, did you see above where he went on about "if you knew how to write, etc"<p>I gave up teaching writing after 5 years because of mental giants like this guy.<p>ask him about being a "detective"...he claimed that at first, now he seems to have backed off...lol<p>crazy guy...I tried to get him to bet me real money, in paypal excrow, $100, that this wasn't voltron. but he ignored it.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    escrow, sorry

    by BadMrWonka

    ugly looking typo...

  • July 17, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    also

    by BadMrWonka

    I just realized, we won't have to wait for the movie to come out to hear MRX67 eat talkback crow. we just have to wait til the next talkback!<p>soon enough, some new info will come out. and you KNOW they'll give it a new article, considering each of the other ones have been over 2000 posts. and I GUARANTEE that they will mention something in the body of the article to the effect of, "people are still talking about Voltron. are you joking? here is a direct quote from ______ saying, etc. etc."<p>and hopefully this will be enough to convince even the most delusional (not naming names) of fans. (MRX67) even if someone has ignored all the rational arguments up til now (MRX67), and agian, I'm not pointing fingers...even if JJ Abrams saying, "This is an original story, NOT based on any previous property." failed to sink into the peabrains (MRX67) of the people still claiming Voltron (MRX67), surely a SECOND quote from the producer of the film saying it has nothing to do with Voltron will convince them. right?<p>god I hope so. if not, what else is there? how many times do you have to smack your head on something before you pay attention and duck?<p>I would expect more from a detective. lol...again, not naming names...

  • July 17, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Anybody notice the light on the guy's back?

    by AdrianVeidt

    At the very end of the trailer, rob is running out of the door next to a guy in a white button down shirt. The guy has a light on his back (definitely not a print of any kind) that follows him. Any takers?

  • July 17, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    MRX67, again, not very good detective work

    by BadMrWonka

    I never said a single word about lovecraft, other than that he was a bigot and a sexist asshole. I never claimed to know anything more than what the trailer showed us, and I wanted to find out more clues so that we could find more websites with more info.<p>I never played the flawed logic speculation game. what you're doing now is called "projecting"...(more specifically it's a "straw man argument") that's were for lack of any logical response to what I wrote, you invent something I didn't say, and attack that.<p>google "straw man argument", you'll understand.<p>France = cheese, horse = Mexico!! VOLTRON!!!

  • July 17, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    MRX67, lol

    by BadMrWonka

    first off, please look up straw man arguments. it's a useful term to learn, and I would love it if you'd learn it so that you wouldn't keep using them over and over in order to avoid answering real questions, or giving logical answers.<p>again, to be clear, I never said anything about hwo this was a chulthu movie, or lovecraft, or anything. I don't speculate like that, I think it's fun when you actually have some info to go on, but I didn't think we had any. as evidenced by the fac tthat you've gathered a few pebbles and built an imaginary Voltron castle in your head.<p>and by the by...I'd LOVE to have some proof of you being a detective. you must have a website, right? or a phone number?<p>if you're a detective, I'm an accordion.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    MRX67

    by Zybon

    Please explain how they would fit all of the info we have now on Cloverfield into the opening for Voltron as seen on Latino Review.<p> "NY1 reporter Torre, on the other hand, was lucky to get plucked to star in the flick, and shot "a lot" more scenes than the one you see in the trailer." - Why would they need so many scenes of a reporter if the destruction of New York only took place at the beginning?

  • July 17, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Enough infighting! We have serious work to do here.

    by chrth

    Adrian Veidt: yeah, that is weird. Maybe it's just some plaster from the fracas?

  • July 17, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    MrX67

    by derf24

    Dude you got some stamina. Still raving about Voltron. Fuck me if im wrong but didnt Voltron take place on the plant Arus?

  • July 17, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Torre

    by Zybon

    Did you even watch the trailer? She's on the tv reporting.

  • July 17, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Latinoreview

    by Zybon

    Why are they the only ones to have any info on Voltron? They wouldn't make it up would they?

  • July 17, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    OMG this tool still thinks its Voltron

    by Phategod2

    A number of Hypothetical Questions for the TOOL. If this really was about Voltron WhyTF would the studios be keeping it hush hush. Why wouldn't they shout it from the mountain tops so all the nerds can start rejoiceing with you. 2. (not much of question) There is NO way in hell You can make a Voltron movie for 30 million dollars Im sure those Power Ranger movies cost more then 30 mil to make and unless your using that Polychromatic Sin city with no stars and no advertising budget you can not make a Voltron Movie <p> 2. Is it always customary that when there is a highly popular Talkback there is always some Giant Douchebag who says the Dumbest most idiotic things and is hated by most if not all talkbackers? (MRX67 is to Cloverfield as Ganymede2010 is to Transformers.) I know I can't be the first person to ask this. while I've visited this site for years I just started posting in the TB's last year and there always semms to be one in a TB that last longer then 3 days.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    IESB also has info

    by chrth

    Don't know if it's the same as Latinoreview: http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2711&Itemid=99 (remove spaces as always)

  • July 17, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Ok, IESB and Latinoreview reviews are different

    by chrth

    Here's what I gleaned from it: there's nothing from the review that excludes 1188 from being Voltron. There's nothing in the reviews though that sounds like it's the same movie either. The only point of commonality is the attack on Manhattan. Too tenuous, as Manhattan gets attacked frequently.<p> Frankly, I still think it's Jeremy Irons merging DH3/D&D.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by JeremiahTheProphet

    I still have yet to see actual proff of this being Voltron that I can't disprove. Seriously, why do y'all still think this is Voltron? Voltron is a joke now-a-days, jus a lackluster joke from Robot Chicken. And that's all people are going to see in this. <p> "Hey Carl, you going to see that Voltron movie this weekend?" "What's Voltron? Some kinda high-tech cell phone thing?" "Nah, man. Remember those lion robots from Robot Chicken? It's that." "There's a Robot Chicken movie?! Sweet!!" <p> That's all that they will see. Prove I'm wrong. <p> So saith the Prophet!

  • July 17, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Kurzinski Valentine

    by The Dum Guy

    If you are J.J. Abrams, then tell me who'd you think would win in a fight, Hurley or Harry?<br><br>I come back to this TB every few hours, and I swear it is like the same thing over, and over...<br><br>I want some more info on this damnit, and I'm not going to bother digging too deeply into the net for answers, mainly 'cause I'm not smart enough....

  • July 17, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    found something

    by nothing of value to add

    on the fridge on the right side when he sez 'main dude' is a card with the words squak squak. i looked it up and its a mountain telescope site, kinda goofy, but searching for e.t. life. has this been looked at already?

  • July 17, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    something of value to add: I haven't seen mention of it

    by chrth

    Nice catch if relevant

  • July 17, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    its right under the stupid pict of the guy with the

    by nothing of value to add

    goatee who looks like one of the founding members...its a stretch. maybe someone else look. at about 35 sec

  • July 17, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    its right under the stupid pict of the guy with the

    by nothing of value to add

    goatee who looks like one of the founding members...its a stretch. maybe someone else look. at about 35 sec

  • July 17, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    its right under the stupid pict of the guy with the

    by nothing of value to add

    goatee who looks like one of the founding members...its a stretch. maybe someone else look. at about 35 sec

  • July 17, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    CONSPIRASY

    by rhialto

    If people haven't been talking about Voltron lately... well... you know what that means... ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT!

  • July 17, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    triple post

    by nothing of value to add

    sorry. touchy touch pad.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    MRX67-

    by mistermunky69

    What will it take for you to stop believing the volron angle? Im not trying to be a dick either. <P> It is very clear that you totally disregard any statements made about the movie not being about an existing entity. i;e-The statements about it being an original jj slusho abrams story, that is. <p> You do not believe these statement hold any water. Correct?? <p> What will it take for you to actually be convinced, short of sitting in a movie theatre and watching the film. Honestly. <p> Im asking, because i get a strange feeling that even if JJ himself goes to comic con, and denounces all rumors, and spills the beans about what this is,,,, you STILL will not believe HIM. I hope thats not true, but thats the way it seems. <p> Again, Not trying to be an ass, just throwing this out there.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I dont Even know WTF a Cthulu is

    by Phategod2

    Let alone H P lovecraft I thought Call of Cthulu was a videogame a few weeks don't speak on what you dont know youngblood. Like I said before I hope its 200 ft tall Winnie the Pooh 01/18/ official Winnie the pooh day Coincidence I think not.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    mistermunky69

    by BadMrWonka

    I applaud the effort, but we've been down this road with MRX before. hell, I insinuated pretty much the same thing you just asked him, 20 posts up, and he flat out ignored it. then he made up weird nonsense (I'm a lovecraft fan that believed this film was a chulthu flick, when I never said anything about it at all...EVER).<p>basically, talking logic to MRX67 is like trying to teach a dog to use a computer. entertaining at first, especially if you're a little drunk. but ultimately, it gets extremely annoying after a while, and in the end you just give up and realize it was a pointless exercise in the first place.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    you see what I mean?

    by BadMrWonka

    lol...

  • July 17, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Well, this is proof enough for me

    by JeremiahTheProphet

    Obviously MRX67 doesn't believe it's Voltron, or he probably would've tried to give us a decent reason as to why we should even consider Voltron as an option for this. <p> My opinion? <p> Several monsters or one really fast one. Possibly Cthulhu-like. Not Voltron. <p> Ever.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    sigh*... I see what you mean. ..

    by mistermunky69

    Oh well. Maybe next time.

  • July 17, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    I know, it's frustrating

    by BadMrWonka

    you ask him specific, clear questions, and he answers with general statements about things he's already said a dozen times. it's a great high school debate tactic, but particularly annoying once you're, you know, not a kid anymore.<p>specific questions deserve specific answers. you gave, what I thought, was a very good specific question for MRX69. I'd love to hear him answer it. of course, I'm still waiting for some proof that he's (wait for it) a detective...l