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That was quick... It's not Walter Hill, but it looks like the PUNISHER 2 director could be...
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here.
After the story I posted yesterday (and, yes, I know fudged the popsicle reference, but my point is still the same) where Thomas Jane announced he was leaving the PUNISHER series it looks like the hunt was on to figure out who was filling in the director's chair.
Freeze Dried Movies says that John Dahl (THE GREAT RAID, ROUNDERS) is in "major talks." I can't confirm he'll direct, but my sources at Lionsgate did mention he was in the running. Also in the running was HOOLIGANS director Lexi Alexander.
Nothing's signed yet, according to what I hear, but Lionsgate does want Dahl. He's not a horrible choice, but I like both Alexander and Walter Hill more for the project. Especially Hill. I can't shake that ideal version of the movie now that it's in my brain.
What do you folks think of this development?
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i'm first.
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Rounders is a sweet movie, but I can't see any way you can juxtapose it to the gritty realistic look that a true Punisher movie requires.
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Huzzah!
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...who gives a darn who's directing!
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I was so close.... and I feel your pain cygnus.
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Taxi Driver...Mean Streets...Punisher. With TJ. Is it that far of a leap? Really?
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and she can certainly film street fights convincingly... Amazing how much attention P2 is getting the last few days after most people had no idea there would even be one before the Dear Quint I quit letter...
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Any director that can make Elijah Wood seem remotely tough has got 'it,' whatever 'it' is. I couldn't care less about The Punisher or its sequel (sorry gang), but Alexander is fierce. I'm sure she'd do a bang-up job. Hooligans got dismissed in this country because people mistook it for a soccer film, but if I were you, I'd check it out on DVD. Charlie Hunnam's fuckin' bad ass. And did you see he just got cast in The Stanford Prison Experiment with a bunch of other great young actors? Cool news indeed...
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John Dahl has directed some really solid thrillers for years. Red Rock West, The Last Seduction, Rounders, Joyride. He's still gonna have his hands tied if the script is for shit, though.
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why not? I mean, wouldn't you rather have a guy that may not have directed a sack-hangin'-out action movie, but has done some great stuff, over a guy that has directed 12 mediocre action movies?anyone can film an explosion and a few one-liners...the action films we all hold to a higher standard, and put on a higher pedastal, have had a great deal more. Jane is obviously invested in it, so I think it's a great sign.
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Denmarkian! Anyhoo, I always thought the Punisher (movie) had a certain coolness and/or toughness, so I'm looking forward to this. Maybe Razor Ramon will the end Boss
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This demographic of focused action with intense images of that of 300/Sin City/History of Violence + the passion for punisher of Mr. Jane ----It just does not seem they are getting the clue - take a Walter Hill ideal - are you telling me Lionsgate and it's investors don't want ROI...it appear -insert harsh- they are being f-ing retarded....we need to speak up - no scream at them to be sure that there is a heafty and serious fan base they seem to be pissing on! Oh this is just too much...
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.....just go re-watch "man on fire". try to ignore all of that "super-fast-motion editing" crap that goes on in that movie and just watch denzel washington get all evil on everyone in his way. the best parts of "man on fire" is exactally what a perfect punisher movie should be: just an hour and fifteen minutes of frank castle doing midevil shit to people who deserve it.
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but seriously...the scene in man on fire, with denzel in the car, with the dude's hands taped up...that reminded me of the punisher big time. where he devalued the life of that guy so far that his only value was the information he could give him. pure revenge. very good call, vocabulary aside.
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Not interested... lionsgate ain't getting my got damn money...
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Gerard Butler as Frank Castle? And then, he can get into a time machine and destroy my childhood.
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AICN should email keasterling@lionsgate.com
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...and I'm not talkin' the Sylvester Stallone arm wrasslin' flick. In the Marvel Universe and mainstream superhero world, the Punisher is unique. On film, he's just a another guy with a gun, in funny clothes. You gotta throw realism out the window and go for big visuals, ala all the impossible stuff Marv did (and that was done to Marv) in the SIN CITY movie. We need over the top villains and henchmen, visuals, fx, etc. Otherwise, it can't attain the grit it does in the comics and can never be more than a B minus movie because it will never be as stark as TAXI DRIVER, as street level as DEATH WISH or as intelligent as DIRTY HARRY(technically a cop movie, but Harry was a vigilante too).
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everyone should e-mail namorita@whatthefuckareyoutalkingabout.org (seriously, what is that guy smoking...is he a disgruntled PA? a maligned scriptwriter?Jane would stay on with a decent script and a good director, wouldn't he? no way they can double dip with the main actor and think they won't plummet straight to obvlivion.
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Quint I think over the last 24 hrs this has seriously touched a nerve - Can you get TJ to do a talk back on AICN? If not please let the fandom know...cheers!
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Denzel Washington SNAPS. No Compromises, no pullback. He SNAPS. I mean..."I got all the time in the world. *You* don't, but *I* do..." "I wish...you had...more time." "Well, it's off to the next life for you, my friend. I promise you, you won't be lonesome." "A bullet always tells the truth." You are spot on. It's 1:30 of Joker at the end of FMJ, with offscreen voices saying "Hardcore, man. Fucking Hardcore." Denzel would be a staggering Frank Castle.
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Hell, John Dahl may be a bit cold but he used to make exclusively good movies. Now all they need is a decent script.
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on who/what namorita is...I can't figure out what s/he's goals are, except to perpetuate any discussion on any topic that has to do with Thomas Jane...president of the fan club? you make the call...I'm offering 500-1 that it's TJ himself, 20-1 it's his publicist, 2-1 crazed fan, 3-2 nerdy guy that likes the punisher WAY too much
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Just a fan - pissed yep - more at Lionsgate - just sad for tj..have a good debate - good luck and good night..
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with all the email addresses of 8 different people working on bringing this to fruition? hmmmm
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who really cares about this...AICN posted 29 articles yesterday, and one today...this is all we have! we're like richard gere in an officer and a gentleman...
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John Dahl of Last Seduction?
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I'm recalling the fury and violence of MAN ON FIRE. It'd be great to see Thomas Jane return as the Punisher.
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...yeah, that IS a funny coincidence...:-)
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...does the director really matter? The only thing that counts is that they take the violence seriously. Castle will kill. He will torture. He will leave people in pain. He's making a statement and punctuating it with a fucking period. So long as the director gets THAT, the style matters little, in my opinion.As for the actor, I think Jane should be invited back if he has truly left the project. However, if he's truly gone (Alonzo, you are a mad, mad, mad genius, sir...you MUST work in marketing...) who's the fanboy choice?
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...the Punisher should be made a certain way. Grown men really don't need a consensus to confirm their opinions about comic book movies.Sorry, the Punisher isn't realistic. It's only a fanboy's idea of realism and grit. The more realistic you try to make it, the more ridiculous it's going to look. Go at it the other way, embrace the testosterone and tnt, and something good might surface in the mix.
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I ain't going to the party if Thomas Jane's not hosting.
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And Hunnam's accent was beyond laughably bad. If you guys want, i'll take my camcorder to the next Bristol derby and make a real hooligan movie for you all. Alexander is a damn fine piece of ass though, but colour me Hill on this one, or why not Park Chan-Wook? Oldboy was outstanding.
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and whoever it was gets points, because that is a great but not so obvious choice. Good job, person who I forgot who it was.
Only problem is, who the fuck is gonna be punishing people if there's no punisher in the movie? You need Thomas Jane or crime will just be running rampant in this movie. John Dahl will be shooting these criminals suspensefully but nobody will ever come punish them. Maybe there will be that stupid skull shirt on a hanger but there will be nobody inside it. Too bad.
If they really want John Dahl though then they're not as stupid as we thought. Maybe they will give Mr. Jane whatever he wants and get this fucker going. -
Even though personally it boggles my mind that they didn't want Walter Hill, one of the guys who pretty much invented and defined the balls out action film in the 70's and 80's. He would have been a great choice if you ask me (not that anyone odes). But yeah, if I had my way, personally I'd be going after someone like Kathryn Bigelow (Strange Days, Near Dark, Point Break, Blue Steel) who could really deliver the style and the visceral kick the film needs, without losing sight of the character and performances. Plus, sad as it is, it's not like people are banging down her door offering her a-list work.Oh, and Jane was the best thing about the first Punisher (I film I liked, but didn't love), so they really should bend over backward to a) GET THE DAMN SCRIPT RIGHT, and b) GET TOM JANE BACK ON BOARD. We can only hope.
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I am an Englishman, I know. It's a load of cock. Plus Walter Hill hasn't made a decent movie in 15 years. I'd vote Dahl, of the choices that are there.
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just like the first one, my interest in the punisher as a character and movie is absolutely dick.
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Would be to create a Marvel Comicy Book world. Like the Spiderman series, or what not, and then to inject this filthy, Dirty Harry/Death Wish style individual into the mix. That, or go the opposite way. Create a gritty, "realistic" world, ala Death Wish or The Exterminator, and then have a protagonist that is ludicrously violent and over the top. Like Dropping the Spartans from 300 into Taxi Driver. I really don't think that would be a realeasable film though, because of the necessity to push the sleaze and violence so far. That, or just do the more boring option, and hire Walter Hill, and deliver a generic 80's action film. Which would be cool, I guess. Like the trailer for the original promised. Instead of the turd burger they delivered.
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Probably the most underated filmaker out there, and he kicks ass! I'm not saying he should be the next director for the Punisher, but u gotta admit that he's would be a damn fine choice. Damn Fine!
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A damn fine choice, providing she can still channel some of that late 80's - mid 90's style of hers. Strange Days is one of my absolute faves from the 90's, but she's done some shit since then. Messi, Boca vs River? Please elaborate for an ignoramus.
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That being said - I doubt I'd give him the reins. He seems to excel at the modern noir - Red Rock West - Kill Me Again - the Linda Fiorentino one - and other small, character driven pieces. Great Raid was ... good to middling - far from great
If i had my druthers on a (relatively small budget) Id agree on Bigelow - hopefully that Water one she did 2 years ago was just an anomaly - Strange Days is great - she seems best when not controlled by egomaniacal "I dont work for less than 20 mil" stars *HarrisonHackFord*
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Both would give a very good representation of the Punisher.
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I'm a Brit and I thought the film was pretty good, the only BIG problem I had with it was Charlie Hunnam's accent which sounded more Pikey than Cockney. Oh and they should get the guy who did the Assault on Precinct 13 remake to direct P2.
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wants to see that realized on screen. LionsGate, are you reading these TB discussions/blurbs? MAX script, great director (vision/tone) = Jane's return to the character he was meant to portray.
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... a wrestler. You know it's true. Rewrite the script, get Thomas Jane back on board, and go to town. P1 was a decent starting point, considering the budget-related sacrifices. But if you recast the lead, you start over - and they're already doing that with Hulk.
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I loved this film.
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What the hell ever happened to her? Remember putting her on the "I'll get whatever she puts out next no matter what i hear of it" and then she up and disappeared like a fart in the wind? Why oh why cant my lazy ass just type her in imdb?
Brainstorm. What about the guy that directed - shit - the Australian Western - The Proposition. There ya go - ya want bloodspray and grit - want truly vicious boys going all Clint Eastwood "I've killed women and children. I've killed everything that walks or flies or crawls and I'm going to kill you Little Bill" get that Aussie director. -
I can't think of many directors who could outclass Dahl.
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A vivid re-imagining of the fabled vigilante starring Dr. Doom as Frank Castle. Premise: movie starts off with Frank and wife (played by Kirsten Dunst) bickering over wall paper. She runs out of the house after pissing & moaning about him loving interior decorating more than her. Outside, she's viciously shot to pieces by an EMO mobster. The Metrosexual Punisher is Born! (Spoiler Alert!) At the climax, Frank does a song and dance to the "Lullabye of Broadway", then sets charges and blows everything to pieces. The mass market raves that it's the most insightful comedic drama of the year and Frank/Dr. Doom goes back to Nip/Tuck.
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Personally, I've never fully understood the fanboy cult that exists around him... Dahl has a much better hit to crap ratio, in my opinion.
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...is the guy who directed The Proposition, and the equally under appreciated Ghosts Of The Civil Dead, and actually, yeah, he'd be another damn fine choice. As would fellow antipodean, and Chopper helmer, Andrew Dominik (who just got done with The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford). Dahl's certainly no bad choice, and he gives great atmosphere, I just don't know if he'll be able to inject enough balls and adrenaline into the action to give it the powerful kick that it really needs.
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Thomas Jane earned my respect for publicly bailing out of a shitty PUNISHER 2 project, so if Lionsgate wants me to chip in my $8.50, they're going to have to get Jane back on board.
And yes, Martin Scorcese directing a Garth Ennis adaptation of one of his PUNISHER MAX storylines is definitely the way to go...
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48 HRS, Southern Comfort, The Long Riders, Extreme Prejudice, Hard Times, The Warriors and the Deadwood pilot are all absolute classics in my book, while Red Heat, Streets Of Fire, Johnny Handsome, Geronimo, Trespass, Last Man Standing, Another 48 HRS, The Driver & Crossroads are all more than worthy efforts, all of which I have a very definite fondness for to varying degrees, while his episodes of Tales From The Crypt were always amongst the better ones (in fact Cutting Cards with Lance Henriksen and Kevin Tighe is one of my all time faves). Of the rest of his output, Brewsters Millions had it's moments I guess, if you were into that kind of comedy. Yeah, Wild Bill was just a bit of a dud, and not even Coppola could save the clusterfuck fiasco that was Supernova. As for his most recent efforts, haven't seen Undefeated, but the Broken Trail miniseries he did wasn't bad. Plus this is the guy who also wrote (or co-wrote)the screenplays for The Getaway, Hickey & Boggs, The Drowning Pool and The Mackintosh Man, as well as most of the above. So in my books that's a pretty damn impressive hit to miss ratio all in all. It sucks that Supernova seems to have all but killed his career as a director in recent years, but that's Hollywoodland for ya I guess.
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As far as I knew, Rounders and Joy Ride were two movies that were regularly either ignored or mocked when they hit theatres.
And though The Great Raid looks interesting, I'd never even heard of it. Looking over Dahl's filmography, I don't see one title that equates as a cult classic. How does he suddenly have so much support? Maybe I've missed something... -
was good? I think the comparison on this Talkback between MAN ON FIRE and THE PUNISHER is the perfect way to illustrate why THE PUNISHER was straight B-grade background noise. Side-by-side, any given scene in MAN ON FIRE will have superior dialog, superior charactarization, superior intensity. I have always liked Thomas Jane, and I have absolutely no complaints about his preformance in THE PUNISHER. He's mean, ruthless, cold, but also grieving. But Travolta's bad guy is a joke, and that last scene where he's dragged behind the car into the parking lot of exploding vehicles is so bad, the explosions so embarrassingly fake-looking, I laughed outloud.
As for Buzz Maverick's opinion that THE PUNISHER should have more crazy jumpin-through-windows / impossible stunt craziness, backed up by whiz-bang special effects, I can't say I agree. Grittiness doesn't derive from soulless special effects and ridiculous acrobatics. If you want real hard-core grittiness, make THE PUNISHER a hyper-realistic urban crime drama ala the PUSHER trilogy, or by drawing inspriation from the the most violent moments from movies like TAXI DRIVER or A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE.
At any rate, any sequal that tries to build on the first one will inevitably suffer the same problems: weak supporting characters, crappy dialog, an absurd villain, and undernourished plotting.
In other words, it will be a modern-day comic-book movie. (A generalization, I realize, since not every single comic-book movie in the last few years has been total crap. But one BATMAN BEGINS or SPIDERMAN 2 for every half-dozen piss-poor comic-book movies does not inspire confidence in me that the genre has emerged from the pit of mediocrity.) -
without him no matter who directs the movie will not ...I repeat NOT work in any way.Jane IS frank castle,anything else would just be a fake.In my ever so humble opinion they should let punisher two die....or beg tom to come back.Oh and suck it!
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Not too excited about another Punisher movie (they've already missed twice), but I'd love to be wrong. Getting VERY excited about Iron Man (actually reading Iron Man comics, first time in my life). When I was a kid, what I liked about Punisher was the "First Bood-esqueness". Man against the world. Man on a crusade. I vote for Garth Ennis (his Punisher books were used in a film class at the Hochschule für Kunst Zürich as an example of how to handle shooting in a car!)
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not like, with a gun
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i personally always thought that comparison and contrast was perfect. i' glad to see a few people here agree with that assment. it's basically the same type of movie you should be going for there. as said above, in MOF washington's character just snaps, once pita is dead there is nothing holding him together anymore and anyone who gets in his way is just grist for the mill. to me, THATS frank castle.
as stated above most of the scenes in MOF are exactally what they should be looking to emulate in a punisher movie. the car cigarette lighter scene, the blasting cap up the ass scene, and the scene where denzel has "the voices" wife and brother at gunpoint in his own home. that stuff, to me, is frank castle all over. especially the scene with the brother and wife. after he blows a whole throught the brothers hand and holds the phone up so the voice can hear the scream. then the wife comes to the chilling realization that denzel is playing for keeps and starts pulling out sacks of cash.
"i don't want your money. I DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY."
thats what i'm talking about right there. revenge, cold blooded, heartless, ruthless and unstoppable. i think what has to happen is that the studios have to realise that comic book movies can be as diverse as any other "genre picture". not every character fits into a PG-13, toy-in-a-happymeal type demographic. -
I totally agree, the 1st time
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...Red Rock West and The Last Seduction are masterpieces, pure and simple... they're perfect examples of everything contemporary noir is supposed to be. I haven't seen all of Hill's films, so I'm certainly no expert, but judging from his films that I have seen (The Warriors, 48 Hours, Last Man Standing, some others) -- comparing them to Dahl's work -- it seems to me that Dahl is clearly the better filmmaker.
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Thanks; I'll look into those two films! I can't believe they aren't more well known if they're as good as you say they are.
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The man who directed the WARRIORS is better suited for a PUNISHER film. It is not about who is "classier" or a better "filmmaker" but who can make a better Punisher film. "class" is not a word that is associated with the Punisher character. However, the Punisher would say, "Well, good! I'm sick of runnin' from these wimps!" or "We're not going to change who we are just because some whore shakes her ass."
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Red Rock West and The Last Seduction are fantastic films, and Kill Me Again was pretty damn good, but all of those were a dozen or more years ago, and only Rounders since I'd consider a mildly decent flick, and even that was, what? 7 or 8 years back now? Apart from that we've seen the somewhat mediocre Joyride, the extremely forgettable Unforgettable, and the middling The Great Raid. I'm not doubting Dahl's talents, like I said above, when he's "on" then he's really on, but he's also been in a pretty downward spiral these last few years in my opinion.As to Hill, The Long Riders, Southern Comfort and Extreme Prejudice are essentail viewing if you haven't seen 'em.
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...Dan O' Bannon originated the screenplay and Ronald Shushett did some work on it, but it was will who rewrote it into the draft that was shot.
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That would be an exciting choice.
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...is that he'd just play Mel Gibson. It'd be the exact same actionMel sctick that we saw in everything from Lethal Weapon through to Payback. And it worked well for those movies, but it wouldn't work for Frank Castle. Gibson is the wrong kind of crazy (he's more Looney Tunes crazy than Dirty Harry obsessive) and he's just too likable to be in any way intimmidating. Unless you were talking about Gibson as director, which would be an interesting choice actually, though it could go either way, especially with Gibson's tendency to often dramatically change scripts and even the whole structure of a film during the editing process, and as such I don't know how much respect he'd have for the character or material. Either way I'm sure it'd be interesting to see though....
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That's the greatest suggestion in TB history.
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...quotient, that's for sure.
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I want TJ back.
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.....if he beefed-up a little. He was the leader of the 'space pirates' in "Alien: Resurrection" (he was one of the only cool things about the movie).
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of 2006...They didn't have the nerve to give him the Oscar though...oh well.
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But he's got his plate full these days...
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I'm sorry, anyone who found that tasteless shit good should be fisted with a gripped copy of Football Factory. Didn't Dahl direct The Last Seduction?? One of the seminal neo noirs??? Jesus, why do you want some new hack over a respected director??
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Its a no-brainer. Garth Ennis has written THE best punisher series ever. ADAPT that shit. Get an older, gruffer, uglier, edgier Punisher. No pretty-boy-Thomas Jane. Mickey Rourke with black hair and five'oclock shadow. REDO the movie, get rid of that stupid begginning where his whole family gets slaughtered in Aruba, stick to original idea, with a mob hit in the park killing his wife and kids. Good riddance to Thomas Jane - not a bad actor, just not right. He does have a great voice which worked well in the video game, but the film needs reinvention, not a sequel.
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If Jane won't come back, there's your Punisher right there. Failing that, a beefed-up Paddy Considine. And get George Armitage to direct.
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Extreme Prejudice. If he was willing to bring that kind of energy to The Punisher 2 I'd call Lions Gate and pull out my juice card and make it happen because that's how i roll with my movie mogul power.
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I liked the Punisher a lot more when he was played by Charles Bronson and they called it DEATH WISH. No dumb skull shirt, either---just a freaky little mustache.
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for fuck's sake!
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if not Gibson, get the Neveldrine/Taylor guys who made "CRANK", the best movie of 2006. I really only care if they get Jane back, though.
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Would be excellent, only had low budgets previously, but if you want gritty,realistic violence he's the man, just a shame Paddy Considine wouldn't fit the image of the punisher, but would make an excellent villain
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Yeah, I'd love to see his version. But I'm not sure that Mel would have the passion (no pun intended) for it. And you just know that if he didn't feel that way about the material, he wouldn't do it. Otherwise, if Mel really wants this job, then give it to him! Absolutely.
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I’m a french director in competitions to direct P2…
Hi guys,
I send you a link where you can watch a teaser Based on Marvel’s Character Punisher that I produced and directed.
In fact, ,I ‘m in competition to direct “The Punisher 2” for Lion’s Gate (I have a representative in LA )In order to get a chance I produced and directed a teaser about my vision of this character.
You can watch the teaser on Ftp address : http://francois.ferracci.free.fr/PUNISHER ( try first low def)
You can a also watch another shorts on http://dsarrio.free.fr :
“Feedback” / best action sequence short and best action short of the year 2006 at OOF Festival L.A or “Daredevil the teaser”, my first short.
I hope you’ll enjoying them
I’m so disappointed that Thomas Jane pulls out the Punisher sequel !
…and they should have take Walter Hill, he made greats films !
All the best
David Sarrio
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...Saving Private Ryan, or read the Punisher? And if you have, how much did you really comprehend? These are ridiculous connections.CHILDREN OF MEN was dystopian drama, it was todays headlines taken to the worst case scenario. SAVING PRIVATE RYAN was about the horrors of a war that has been nostalgized, progandized and glossed over for more than half a century.THE PUNISHER is a comic book full of revenge and power fantasies. It is for boys who wish they were men. There's nothing wrong with that. We all need that sometimes, but you're not talking about something truly dark and powerful, you're talking about a version of something dark and powerful for kids.THE PUNISHER was created in the 70s to capitalize on the success of such films as DEATH WISH and DIRTY HARRY. There's also elements of the DESTROYER and EXECUTIONER novel series in there. For comic books, it's very realistic and gritty. For movies...it's nothing special. That's why the movies bomb. Dig it, Stallone's COBRA sucked and a PUNISHER movie would be lucky to be as "realistic" as COBRA.I like violent movies. I think violence is necessary in some movies. Like Tarantino has said, I have no more problem with violence in movies than I do with dance numbers in movies (except for SPIDER-MAN 3). But at best, the PUNISHER isn't going to ever be more than an adolescent fantasy. That's okay. They make good movies, but not fine films.You want a realistic vigilante movie? TAXI DRIVER. The guy was nuts, a bigger menace than everybody he killed, a threat to society and no fun at all. Brilliant film. Put a skull on Travis' chest, let him outwit even one person and you'd have a straight to DVD Segal flick.Comic book gritty equals stupid on celluloid. People thought SIN CITY was a "dark, grim, gritty comic that brought realism...blah..blah...blah.." It was done the only way it could work.Currently, as written by Ennis, the book specializes in black humor. It works and black humor would work onscreen but if you make it three dimensional, it's automatically going to start being stylized and bigger than life. And no, panel for panel recreations aren't what I'd do. Hell, I was sick of the recreations by 300 and hope that any other Frank Miller movie is made without them.But I will say that there hasn't been a PUNISHER movie yet that matched either SIN CITY or 300, which you brought up.I think a better analogy for a PUNISHER movie would be...POCAHANTAS. Yep, the Disney cartoon. The filmmakers had to seriously consider why they were animating the story. There wasn't any magic or talking animals or much that lent itself to animation. Then, they did the waterfall dive sequence. Somehow, the dive became something that no real human could survive. Bigger than life. Like Marv's encounter with police cars in SIN CITY.Forget a CHILDREN OF MEN or SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. Won't happen. The thing to do is to avoid it being COBRA, or Steven Segal's MARKED FOR DEADLY TERRITORY or Van Damme's DOUBLE TWIN IMPACT. Or Dolph Lundgren's PUNISHER or even the last PUNISHER. This material needs a hook, needs visual power, needs a reason to exist or it's not going to be any good on its' own merits. It's neither realistic or fanciful by itself.Finally, since you keep bringing it up, I have to tell you, man, it's no big deal to me that I'm not echoing your opinion or a group consensus. When a guy's balls drop, he starts thinking for himself.
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