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AICN Exclusive: Thomas Jane dropping out of PUNISHER 2?!?

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here . I met Thomas Jane on the set of THE MIST. I didn’t spend much time chatting with him, but we did talk. He got pretty geeky when he started showing off his comic book work. He’s doing a few books with Steve Niles right now and we talked mostly about that on the set. He sent me pdfs of the books a few weeks back (I haven’t read them yet, but I’ll write up some reviews when I do), but that was about all the communication I had with him, although we did talk a little bit about PUNISHER and his thoughts on where it should go. His thoughts mirrored my own, which made me excited for a sequel. He wanted something more true to the books and said he was fighting the good fight. Then, out of nowhere, he sent me the following note, announcing his departure from the PUNISHER sequel.

Quint, I’m writing to tell you that I regretfully and painfully had to pull out of P2. I can’t tell you how completely broken up I am about it. After busting my ass at the gym four days a week for almost two years, watching every character driven action pic that any fan would ask me to watch while I was standing in line buying egg whites and Tuna fish (Leon the Professional, Oldboy, The Seven-Ups (GREAT flick), Point Blank, Escape from NY, The Driver, Magnum Force, The Mechanic, The Great Silence, Sexy Beast, Nighthawks, Cry Vengeance (check it out), Road Warrior, Man on Fire, Outlaw Josey Wales, Rocky (think about it), Serpico, etc etc etc.) after countless Saturday nights making notes and drinking soda water and munching on seaweed sticks while my daughter slept on my lap to the sound of automatic gunfire, (now she can’t sleep without it. I had to make a tape of automatic gunfire to play in her room at night) after hauling myself to any ‘Guns! Knifes! Ammo!’ show in any small town that I found myself in shooting Killshot or The Mist or Mutant Chronicles, after torn ligaments, screwed up rotator cuffs, thousands of $$$ on ridiculously huge vitamins, overly long conversations with frighteningly tall men about The Fastest Way To Kill Someone With Your Bare Hands, and after a dude refused to sell me a Fatburger at 2am on Santa Monica Blvd, I am, sadly – no, make that heartbrokenly – fuck it - just rip out the heart and stomp it into the pavement a couple of times – pulling out. Punisher fans are already fighting an uphill battle as it is. And I’ve always felt a responsibility to fight that fight for them and with them so that Frank Castle gets the treatment he deserves. I'm sharing this with you because I know you're a fan, like me, and you've got your ear to the ground, and because we seem to share the same sort of taste and passion when it comes to movies and stories that get us off. What I won't do is spend months of my life sweating over a movie that I just don't believe in. I’ve always loved the Marvel guys, and wish them well. Meanwhile, I’ll continue to search for a film that one day might stand with all those films that the fans have asked me to watch. Sincerely, Thomas Jane

Yikes. I actually think this is a good move for Jane. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard (usually off the record) actors and directors talk about doing a shitty sequel or remake or adaptation because “If I don’t someone else will and at least I can try to steer it right.” That hardly ever works unless you’re in a position of power, or at the very least have a strong producer on your side. The first PUNISHER didn’t work, but I don’t think Jane was the reason for it. It just didn’t feel like I was watching Frank Castle and the sequel has a chance to fix that. Castle’s a great anti-hero, a hard-ass that isn’t afraid to confront the dregs of society with lethal force. He’s not someone who would torture a suspect with a popcicle. PUNISHER 2 is an opportunity to start off fresh. You don’t need to waste time on the origin. The character is established. At the end of the first movie we saw a glimmer of the Punisher we all wanted to see. Before I got this note, I had heard some disturbing things from my sources within Lionsgate. They can’t get anybody attached to this movie, no director wants to touch it thanks to a bad script and a lacking first film. The studio has been meeting with everybody, scrapping the bottom of the barrel. There was one person they met with that perked me up, someone that was actually an inspired choice to take on the Punisher films. A man by the name of Walter Hill. Can you imagine if he even brought an ounce of the coolness of THE WARRIORS or a sliver of the hard-ass Bruce Willis was in LAST MAN STANDING to the character of Frank Castle? And my sources say that Hill wanted to do the movie. Yet Lionsgate didn’t want him and are still searching… although I hear they’re close to locking down another director, but I don’t know who that is yet. I doubt he or she’ll be as cool as Walter Hill. So, there you have it. You heard it here first, straight from the man himself. It sounds like Jane wanted the same kind of Punisher movie we do. Too bad Lionsgate doesn’t seem to. -Quint

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  • May 15, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    A pity

    by GrubStreeter

    I thought Jane made a good Frank - but the movie stunk. I blame Travolta.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    screw lionsgate... P1 blew. Let's all hope this movie never sees production.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    "I just want my kids back..."

    by DanielKurland

    Wasn't a huge fan of Punisher, but it's refreshing to see someone take the material this seriously and passionately.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    It's Just Possible THE PUNISHER Isn't Cinematic.

    by Buzz Maverik

    Think about it. As a comic book, it's best with hard edged, 70s noir grit. So what does it have to offer the movies? That's nothing special in the movies, except it's done by a guy with a skull on his chest. The Punisher is a great comic character, but he falls into the too gritty for a comic movie/too fantastic for a gritty movie category all his own. Not every property has to be filmed. Just make a vigilante flick already.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    oh well.

    by robotdevil

    second anyway.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST



    Deeper Blue Sea must be more important. Dammit, I can't even make that joke without feeling bad. Jane does good.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    Yes, you hit the nail right on the head. In the comics, Punisher is an original and a one of kind... a super-powerless, movie action hero soaked up into the superhero world. In the movies, he's just another guy with a gun and a lot of explosions (and an origin too cliche to even pretend to find interesting). Like I said, above, let's just hope this pup never gets made.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Tom Jane is classy, this is a good move

    by Vanderhorst

    Now he can do "They shoot heroin, don't they?"

  • May 15, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    He was cool with posting this?

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Wow. He really is a good dude. Tis a shame. I kinda dug the first twenty minutes of the Punisher and the last 30. The middle sort of went the route of John Travolta's straightness

  • May 15, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Dolph Lundgren is available!

    by chrth


  • May 15, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Hate to tell ya, Quint..

    by DonkeyTron

    but, the popsicle thing is one of the very few things in that movie that is actually pulled straight from the book. Can't remember what book it's from exactly, maybe someone can help me out here, but it's in there.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Walter Hill could have been a great choice...

    by Frank Black

    Hard Times is one of my favorite films. Thomas Jane is better than The Punisher though. He has been great in everything (especially Stander) and elevated the 1st Punisher film with his presence. Thomas Jane as John Carter Warlord of Mars or Doc Savage.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Jane's a stand-up guy

    by Ghostwood

    A few years back, I was working on Dreamcatcher and had the luck to meet him. I wasn't a huge fan of the Punisher, but I thought he did a great job as Frank Castle. I think that he's not only a great screen presence, he's one of the more stand up guys in Hollywood. Here's how I know this: one day, a batch of us went and saw Spider-Man. Thomas was in line, and we chatted a bit. We talked a little about films, and I told him he owed me $10 for The Sweetest Thing (that Cameron Diaz piece of garbage he was in). I totally meant it as a joke, but after the film, Thomas gets me a $10 gift certificate to the theater. If he says Punisher 2 is crap, I guarantee you it'll be crap. I doubt he would want to give me another $10 if I bump into him again..!

  • May 15, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    You may have a point Buzz M.

    by GrubStreeter

    What make the best Punisher comics interesting to read is that they take us inside Frank's head - he narrates his own adventures. That's tough to do in movies without a great deal of voice over. The only time I felt like I was watching a Punisher Movie in the last one is when he's reading his "war journal" entry towards the end. Oh, and Quint? The popcicle bit was right out of an old issue of Puinsher War Zone.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    They didn't WANT Walter Hill?????

    by thelivingdoll

    Who the HELL is running Lionsgate??? The fucking Baseball Furies???

  • May 15, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Walter Hill can't get work...

    by Frank Black

    But Brett Ratner keeps working! Nt brain hurts!

  • May 15, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by Quint

    So, yes... the pulled the popcicle out of a comic, but by only really pulling one lighthearted moment out of the book and leaving the rest of the hardcore killer out of the movie still ignores what makes Frank Castle the character we love in the comics. It's almost worse that they pulled something like that out of the books and left the rest.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST


    by GrubStreeter

    And Frank wears the skull to intimidate bad guys - it wasn't a gift from his god damn son! stupid movie. OK - done ranting

  • May 15, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Jane is legit...

    by BGDAWES

    I really like Thomas Jane, ever since I first remember seeing him in Boogie Nights. I'm glad he made this decision but I also regret not being able to see a huge Jane kicking all sorts of ass.

  • May 15, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST


    by supersize

    I have nothing.Fuck lionsgate

  • May 15, 2007, 7 p.m. CST


    by The Real MiraJeff

    STANDER. Good stuff.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    So the reason Jane's pulling out is...?

    by Calico Pete

    ...the same reason they can't get a director they want? Which is what? The script's bad? Well why the fuck don't they rewrite it? Then they keep Jane and find a director, right? I mean the movie has taken so long to get made as it is, you'd think they'd nail the script.<br><br> But I'm still confused... Quint, you say P2 has a chance of restoring the Punisher's good cinematic name, yet you think Jane's making the right move...? So are you saying P2 is or is not on the right track? Is the script shit or does it have a chance at nailing the character? Where's Marvel in all of this?

  • May 15, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by magnetoelectric

    What can possibly be wrong with Kurt Sutters script??!Damn you Jane!I was all excited and now your pullin out-what the hell man

  • May 15, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Agreed, STANDER is Jane's best.

    by brokentusk

    I'm really upset by this news, it seemed for a while there that PUNISHER 2 was going to be everything the first film wasn't (i.e. faithful). I read just the other day that Kurt Sutter (writer on THE SHIELD) was going to take a crack at the script - which was the best news I'd heard. Now this? I feel bad for Tom Jane - the first film's faults had nothing to do with him at all.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Need cool visuals with the glow of the skull, in shadow

    by JDanielP

    There is absolutely no reason why a Punisher movie cannot be something special. I'd LOVE to make this...and it sucks that I can't.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by Quint

    I say Punisher 2 has the opportunity to be the movie we want to see, but it doesn't look like it's headed that way. My Lionsgate source said that Hill wanted to do the film and rewrite the crappy script. I don't know, maybe the Lionsgate execs don't know who Walter Hill is... you might laugh at that, but you'd be surprised how short the memory of execs can be.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane was the one good thing about the Punisher.

    by Gwai Lo

    He was awesome as Frank Castle, he did the absolute best he could with the script. I mean the guy sent chills up my spine when he said "God's gonna sit this one out", but then he sent chills up some guys spine with a popsicle as well. It's a shame Heinsleigh couldn't get it together to make a kickass revenge flick that was all business and no quirky roommates, love interests or John Travolta. I really think the best person for a Punisher flick might be "Beat" Takeshi Kitano.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Motherfuckers! Just adapt one of Ennis' arcs!

    by Lujho

    Choose one of Ennis' arcs from his Punisher book (the MAX series, not the earlier, more comedic series) and do a straight adaptation. Fucking easy. I'd choose "The Slavers" - that'd really show people what a great Punisher movie could be, especially with a great director.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    The original was horrible...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Although it wasn't Jane's fault, but it was horrible... However I disagree that The Punisher could not be cinematic, I believe it had the potential to be a fantastic movie, done as a homage to 70s revenge flicks, a pure hard R with plenty of great kills and a strongly written and acted lead character and a genuine bastard of a main bad guy. I mean the thing practically scripts itself... Sure it would never do Spiderman or X-Men numbers, but it could have appealed to an adult film goer who missed old school hardassed action flicks and made some decent money...

  • May 15, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by brokentusk

    If nobody wants to direct the movie and their main actor pulled out because the script is so terrible... why don't they just get someone to RE-WRITE the thing?! Oh, that's right, I forgot that Marvel want their films to be shit now.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Whaa? But the first one was such a boost to his career

    by jimmy_009

    First Halle Berry opts out of Catwoman 2 and now this.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I've always percieved Jane as a great guy

    by hadez

    I mean, he was the one really gunning towards a second Punisher with more balls-to-the-wall action. It's sad to see him depart. I also thought he was a great Castle.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    But of course..

    by Gwai Lo

    Kitano wouldn't go near it.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Good for him

    by Pr_Frink

    It's nice to see someone pull out of a movie because they don't believe in the end result. A lot of times actors will stick with it out of sheer ego but for Mr. Jane to say the stuff that he did is refreshing to hear. It's too bad though because he was easily the best part of the first. Here's hoping he gets a kick-ass project next and hits a home-run, the man deserves it.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    If they can adapt Sin City...

    by Frank Black

    They can adapt near anything. Seriously, just take the best issues and copy the dialogue verbatim and credit the writer of the comic as screenwriter. Comic Books are just detailed storyboards anyway. This sh*t is proof of why Hollywood can't do anything without over complicating things and over-marketing their art to death until it is just an overblown commercial.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I second 'Stander'

    by I Own You

    Good stuff, lots of fun

  • May 15, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST



    I'm mad at that... Stupid Marvel idiots... I really wanted to see Jane in the sequel!

  • May 15, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    May Walter Hill Spit Nitroglycerin at Those Dumbasses

    by Flynn Diesel

    Walter Hill's THE PUNISHER is, in my book, far more worthy and potentially awesome than making SAWs IV-XXXVIII. The dude has directed all sorts of Frank Castle types of pulvarizing hardasses for three decades. Raise your hand if the following men are not similar to the type of character that Frank Castle is: Charles Bronson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steve McQueen, Nick Nolte, Bruce Willis, Powers Boothe, Mickey Rourke, Bill Paxton, David Carradine, Fred Ward, or Brion James. This man is a fucking DRIVING FORCE of tough guy movies from the 70's and 80's, and if William Friedkin gets a chance from Lionsgate, Walter Hill should get it all. Lionsgate is fucking with the wrong guy. This is the dude who wrote The Getaway and Hickey and Boggs. The one who gave us The Driver, The Warriors, 48 Hrs., Streets of Fire, and countless others. If you want to make a Punisher movie right, have a director who has testosterone deposits in his brain and, if behind a camera or a typewriter/word processor, makes Bill Brasky look like a pussy. Come on, you dumbasses, Friedkin's a legend, and so is Walter motherfuckin' Hill. But you guys are apparently too interested in making 62 sequels to Saw. And that's what I have to say.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Oh well. Guess I'll just play the Xbox game again...

    by Kasch

    That was the only true adaptation of the Punisher we'll ever see (complete with badass Garth Ennis script and Jane on the voice).

  • May 15, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Too bad...

    by Dragon Man

    I too liked Jane as the Punisher in the first movie. I felt like he got the character, even if the script and director really didn't. Although I would have liked him to do another, if it's gonna be shit, better that he's a million miles away from it than to be stuck with it.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Hey Quint, e-mail Jane back and tell him...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    To register, get a blackbox and hang out... Maybe we can get the place full of action stars...

  • May 15, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    The best Punisher movie was "The Hunted".

    by Tarl_Cabot

    The Punisher...Deserves William Friedkin. He made a Punisher movie was called the Hunted. Don't give up TJ! We want you/Castle back! Call up Willy.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane

    by dejectedgeek

    I do applaud him for walking out on a bad project. As a super hardcore Punisher fan, watching the first film was kind of a grueling experience. The Punisher is one of the "you can't fuck this up" characters of Marvel, and I'll be damned...Lionsgate fucked it up. All you ever would need to make a good Punisher movie is to apply the formula Garth Ennis does with the comic: People want to kill Frank, Frank finds out and ends up counter-killing these people, after somehow doing something horrible to a number of persons. Nope...let's make this some sort of sympathetic character story...give me a fucking break.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    What a downer. I was really hopefuly for Punisher 2

    by Toxic Frog

    I actually KIND OF LIKED the first one. Once the dumbass origin was over with, Thomas Jane was great when he got busy. And there were moments of good, non-pussy violence. Castle making Saint's son hold the grenade till he was exhausted and blew himself up, Castle bragging to Saint that he made him kill his own friend and wife before finishing him off. The movie wasn't great, but it had some coolness in there. **** BUT, I was really amped for a PROPER Punisher movie. This is crappy, crappy news. I agree with some of the other folks here - just pick a story from Ennis' MAX line (the first one would be great), declare it the screenplay, and shoot the film. ** Is there any point in hoping that Jane's backing out might snap the studio into fixing the problem to get him back?

  • May 15, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I like Thomas Jane. Stander was great.

    by Quake II

    The Punisher movie had a few moments of coolness but it was rather tame compared to the comics books. I have no doubt that Jane will eventually move into the action hero role. Too bad. I was actually looking forward to Punisher 2.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by moto

    Give Lionsgate a call and ask them about a script in development phase called "One Shot, One Kill". Character driven action flick! Perfect for you. They have the option and are searching for talent.

  • May 15, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Dead in the water

    by dejectedgeek

    As it stands, after the main character walks out after the studio can't get anybody to sign on for the project, the movie may just get shelved or dumped altogether. Then, hopefully, in a matter of time, another studio will pick it up and take it in the direction that it should be. Superhero movies as of late haven't been doing well (except for Spider-Man 2 and X2) because a lot of the time they either try to make it too complicated or cinematic. Studios don't stop and think for a minute that they should be staying as loyal to the source material as possible. Zack Snyder and Robert Rodriguez did a great job on their respected movies because Frank Miller was on board throughout the entire production and they were actually worried about not having it be as close to the comic as possible. Marvel just wants to shell out licenses and make a quick buck as soon as possible... Still holding out for Iron Man me proud, Jon!

  • May 15, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I hope this a bluff...saying no usually works.

    by Tarl_Cabot

    I really want to see P2 and a P3 with TJ. Dejectedgeek hit it on the head: The Punisher is one of the "you can't fuck this up" characters of Marvel. This doesn't require alot of creativity or money to make a balls to the walls R-rated Punisher flick.The Dolph movie ruled. Man...

  • May 15, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane is busy researching a role as homeless man

    by indiebum

    I love AD

  • May 15, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Okay, so am I supposed to be thankful...

    by Gozu

    that after years of wishing there was a Daredevil movie or a movie where Spiderman fights Venom, or a movie where the Hulk wasn't just a guy in green make up, Marvel and Avi Arad answers the call by making shitty, sloppy adaptations of these properties that basically change everything for no reason whatsoever and rush to put something out so every summer now there's at least one bad Marvel superhero movie, if not five? Seriously. If you're going to do something, do it right. That doesn't mean you have to be totally faithful to the comic, just make a good movie.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by CornsilkSW

    Seriously, they should hire Ennis or Casey, or another great COMIC BOOK WRITER to do screenplays like this. They are the only people who can turn in a workable script for this material because it's what THEY DO FOR A LIVING TO BEGIN WITH! How retarded are movie studios, anyway. This is basic, and they keep overlooking it.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by BitterMan23


  • May 15, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Call Peter Wilkes - (310) 255-4929

    by Namorita

    My gosh! email Avi email Walter, heck emial Lionsgate so they catch a freaking clue! Call Peter Wilkes - (310) 255-4929

  • May 15, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by Alonzo Mosely

    It is great you got your script optioned, really I am happy for you, but stop trying to pitch it to celebs via this site, I mean really, do you think it is going to work?

  • May 15, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Who the hell is Peter Wilkes? Good Question!

    by Namorita

    Investor & Media Inquiries - Peter Wilkes - (310) 255-4929 - Mr. Wilkes handles inquiries from institutional and retail investors and analysts as well as corporate media requests. Investors may click on this Investor Relations link to email questions.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Those wanting to vent on Lionsgate - Enjoy!!!

    by Namorita

  • May 15, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Why are movie execs so Dumb?

    by P2Rock

    I am shocked and appaled to see the amount of money wasted on such pieces of crap that get speat out every year. FF4 Elektra, Path finder, I mean the majority of movies that are released to the mainstream are crao and just vain attempts to make money. this is the primary reason why box office reciepts have fallen for the passed few years. The key to the success of any comic book adaption is simple... STICK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL! thats what made the property attractive in thye first place. Damn you Singer and your bastard child (SR)!

  • May 15, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Walter Hill....

    by LouisCedar

    That would have been I'm sad....because no matter who ends up doing the Punisher 2, I'll always be imagining what could have been with Walter Hill.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    The Punisher Extended Cut was pretty good-

    by Playkins

    It didn't change any of the missteps with the origin, but it did add alot of cool character moments. Punisher is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine, but dammit, I like it!

  • May 15, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by Mike_D


  • May 15, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Punisher War Zone #1 was when they did ...

    by Shan

    ... the popsicle thing.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    I like the Thomas Jane....

    by Shakalakaboom

    He seems like good people and he was the best thing in The Punisher. However, the first film had a kind of pussy-assness quality to it (If I may turn a phrase from the late Mr. Moltisanti.). When you make a Punisher film, it needs a few things: 1) New York. Seriously, Tampa? Why not just film it in Bryant, Arkansas while you're at it? 2) Mob guys with vowels on the ends of their names. Shitcan that political correctness. 3) Blood and guts and 'splosions. 4) No mercy. No fucking mercy. 5) And no goddamn, fucking Evanescense. You only play that when you want to console the fat girl who's crying because there's no more ice cream. In other words, don't make it for the masses. Have faith in a "cult favorite." It will make money over time.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Good call, Tom.

    by Nate Champion

    Anyone can kick John Travolta's ass. You deserved better.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Seriously, it's not that fucking hard

    by El Vale

    Either hire Garth Ennis to write it, or have someone adapt The Slavers. MAX Punisher is the best damn book Marvel's publishing right now.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Well, if they don't want Walter Hill...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    There's always Uwe Boll.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    And he could do it! There was a Punisher game after all

    by JackPumpkinhead

    And it's Lion's Gate. Uwe fits their "quality" level perfectly.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane just earned my respect...unlike Lionsgate

    by SpyGuy

    Thomas Jane was one of the few good things to come out of the first PUNISHER film and if he bailed on the sequel because the script exudes all kinds of suckage, then I'm sure as hell not going to see one without him. <p>I agree with the previous posters...bring in Garth Ennis, at least as a co-writer. His PUNISHER series for Marvel's MAX line is one of his best works ever and every story arc has been solid and ripe for adapting into a PUNISHER sequel. My pick for the PUNISHER 2 storyline? "Mother Russia." Do yourselves a HUGE favor, Lionsgate, and pick up the trade paperback from or then burn every fucking page into your memory. After that, then you can come back and tell all of us you're sorry and you'll never be a shitty excuse for a film studio again.</p>

  • May 15, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Best Role for Thomas Jane

    by aquaman99

    He made a good call. He's actually a great actor worthy of much deeper work. Though he played Neal Cassady early on, the best role for him that I can think of is....Jack Kerouac! Not the Jack that went On the Road, but the real Jack that struggled, faced and turned his back on success, got drunk, got fat and lived with his mom. I read a script called Visions of Paradise: The Life and Death of Jack Keroauc over at Samuel Goldwyns and he would be PERFECT for it. Probably never get made though.

  • May 15, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane = Splinter Cell

    by Tarl_Cabot

    You know it's a good fit.

  • May 15, 2007, 9 p.m. CST


    by WolfmanNards

    Piss. Shit. Ass. MOTHERFUCKER! WHAT THE FUCK! IM SO PISSED! And not because Thomas Jane is leaving. But because of WHY he left. I trust that man's every judgement. When I heard he let whats her tits sew into his skin through the prosthetic while they were filming because he wanted to stay in character. When I saw a behind the scenes moment where somebody asked him why he was putting so much effort into learning physical tactics and gunplay and he answered "because It's a fucking great character, and I don't want to ruin it". He WAS the punisher. Whatever piece of shit they make without him won't be a punisher movie. How can you make the punisher without the fucking punisher??!!? Good for him for pulling out. How many actors would have such balls? Practically none. A lot of actors remain dedicated to shitty sequels, which fools us into thinking that it might be worthwhile. Thomas Jane is a true fan and more importantly, a true artist. He could have stayed on board for the paycheck, but instead his integrity held sway. FUCK YOU LIONSGATE. FUCK YOU AVI ARAD. MOTHERFUCKERS.

  • May 15, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    Suggestions for Directors...

    by themanwhojaped

    I'd like to see Eli Roth do it. Imagine that. Punisher, Hostel style. And as for casting the Punisher, well, if it was a slight reboot like Hulk 2 then I'd love to see Sly Stallone playing Frank. Think about it, Punisher is meant to be in his late 50s/early 60s in the comics. Let's face it the Punisher should be an R rated film. They should get Garth Ennis to write the script. Punisher has never been intended as a child's character. If they are going to stick with the continuity of the first film, then maybe someone like: Vin Diesel maybe? Give him a black crewcut, he could potentially pull it off.. I don't know. You need someone fearless. Someone ready to do some really fucked up things on camera.. -

  • May 15, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    As Long As He Reprises His Role as Rahad Jackson...

    by uss cygnus


  • May 15, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane = DJANGO

    by Tarl_Cabot

    I could do this all day...

  • May 15, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Actually, It was Todd...

    by uss cygnus

    And Doc Ock was Rahad. ZOMBIE TODD + ZOMBIE ALMEIDA + Jack Bauer=Box Office Gold, I tell ya.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    -"Todd Parker!!!!"

    by nopix

    "Rockin' Reid Rothchild!!!!"

  • May 15, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Punisher 2 getting made but not Superman Returns 2?

    by Drath

    I really don't get the good will of comic book fan boys, they seem to be blindly optimistic when it comes to Marvel properties and overly pessimistic and snarky when it comes to DC properties. I'm being nice and just assuming they've got a point of view--rather than assuming they're just tasteless and apeshit nuts.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    He just wants his kids back.

    by hktelemacher

    Maybe Tom Jane realized playing a comic book character is one of two forms of career suicide -- you could wind up like Eric Bana and never quite walk right again, or you could end up like Tobey Maguire and clamor for the rest of your career for some kind of legitimacy.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Walter Hill would've been great.

    by Chief Redcock

    ...making a great Punisher film should have been a no-brainer. Of all the Marvel characters, the type of movie that this particular character deserves couldn't be more obvious. Even more than John McClane, Frank Castle ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE HARD R. ABSOLUTELY HAS TO. A Frank Castle who isn't R-rated would be like making a PG-13 Death Wish film... you may think you're widening your target audience, but your really just watering down what should make the film a draw to begin with. Marvel/movie execs, if you're reading this, Punisher isn't like any other comic property... your audience here isn't the same audience who sees the Spider-Man, X-Men, and Fantastic Four films. Frank Castle should speak to the same people who love Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and that same league of hard ass, violent, R rated, take no prisoners action movie. If you're true to that, you'll enjoy the same success and word of mouth that the above actors (and above films mentioned by Thomas Jane) have enjoyed. Without these qualities, the Punisher is nothing... like Spidey without his web shooters. He has no reason to exist.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Wanna see the REAL Punisher???

    by fanboy71

    Read "Punisher War Zone" #7. The very brutal issue has Frank hunting a mugger/rapist in central park. His internal monologue is spot on with how the character should be portrayed. The story goes down hill in the next issue, but the part in the park was awesome. I had hopes that Jane would help steer the sequal back to where it belonged. DAMN! Why can't the studios behind these adaptations just follow the source material. By the way... anybody else think Adam Baldwin would make a badass Frank Castle. Just gotta hit the gym a little.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    He got something better to do?

    by crazykrug72


  • May 15, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    I couldn't disagree more

    by Mr Bonefish

    The first Punisher was great...if you don't get it, too bad.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Silly me.

    by CatVutt

    I thought Dolph Lundgren was The Punisher. But seriously...I honestly didn't know they were even working on a sequel. I didn't like the, that most recent one. Wasn't aware anyone did. Fuck it, I forgot why I was posting.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Charles Bronson for the Punisher!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Yeah, but CGI can do magic. It worked so well with Brando and Superman Returns, right? Except I don't know if Punisher could spend the whole movie walking around with a huge block of ice obscuring his face, but what the hell, it might work!

  • May 15, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Good on ya Tom.

    by Antz

    Best to go woithout than to have your name associated with a crappy sequel. I thought you were great in the role, but the first film was a little lacking overall.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Never saw the Punisher

    by Mr_X

    but I'm admiring the balls of this guy to stand up and not do a movie just purely for the cach in the absence of a decent script. Kudos fella.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    This really is bad news...

    by wolvenom

    Fucking bullshit what they're doing to the punisher. Although he's certainly not as popular as spidey, wolverine, or batman... he should be given way more respect than this. He's so cool the way he just mows down bad guys, and when you think he doesn't have any morals or compassion he goes and shows you that he does...In one of his most recent appearances in 'civil war' comics when he fucking obliterates the bad guys who want to help out captain america (cause Ironman has fuckin bad guys on his side so they figure caps could use some badguys) and caps goes ballistic on punisher cause murders them (punisher is like 'they're fucking crooks caps!) and castle won't hit caps back cause he knows all about what captain america stands for. Man punisher deserves so much more. So does daredevil for that matter, and every other fucking comic character the studios have sidelined. Really the comic fans should be writing the fucking screenplays.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    I agree a punisher movie should be a hard R movie...

    by wolvenom

    only because all the punisher fans are mostly grown up anyway... trying to drag in the kids that are jerking off to pokemon, digimon, and anime crap is bullshit..

  • May 15, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Good to hear so many read the MAX series

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Spot. Fucking. On. <P> Perhaps that's what Jane has been reading. Perhaps, when compairing Ennis' spot fucking on interpretation of the Punisher in the MAX series to whatever the P2 script is, Jane had an epiphany. <P>I concur with others. Get Ennis or faithfully adapt one of his stories. Kitchen Irish, In the Beginning, Slavers, Mother Russia, etc. All great reads and would make a great film. Face it guys/gals - Hollywood is afraid of a great script when it comes to comic book properties. Just my opinion. <P>Glad Jane dropped out. I love that he loves the character so much and respects it enough not to be associated with a crappy sequel. The sequel should and could far exceed the first...... <P>Loving the current storyline in the MAX series. But I say that about each storyline.

  • May 15, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I thought the sequel was taking place in NYC

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    with Jigsaw and tons of action/gore. Didn't Jane mention that sometime ago? Maybe that was his wishful thinking. Moot point now. Punisher in prison a'la the original mini-series would have been acceptable.....

  • May 15, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane + Jack Kerouac=oscar

    by aquaman99

    let's see the guy show what he showed us in Stander!

  • May 15, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST


    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    Dude... you absolutely rock. That was a great letter, wonderful reasoning and excellent explanation. You did the right thing, brother. Keep the faith.

  • May 15, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Would you please shut the hell up about Children of Men. It wasn't that great. The director clearly has not vision or skill. <br>........................<br> <P>Aw, who am I kidding. CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN is the epitome of tightness. A film that owns you, unless you're a dullard.<P> <BR>.......................<B R> <P>Be well brother.

  • May 15, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    This is sad,

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    But as has been already said is great potential for a reboot and allows them to scrap everythign and aim for a better movie. Even if the sideline the origin to a flashback ala the 1989 flick. I am a fan of teh Punisher and was heartbroken April of 04 after coming out of a movie that hardly resembled the character I intended to see. Clive Owen for Frank anyone?

  • May 15, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Stander is a great flick

    by Womb2dooM

    I saw that one months ago. Walter Hill (or Mark Goldblatt) would have been a cool choice for P2. Maybe with this public exposure the excecs will be forced into some lateral thinking...

  • May 15, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Big Problem

    by TheDonJohnSon

    With Spiderman 3, Shrek 3, Pirates 3, and Rush Hour 3 all hitting theaters this summer, it really makes me wonder how a hard R could possibly survive. Studios already cut the balls off beloved franchises like Ghost Rider and Die Hard, would the punisher be any different. The last one wasn't a great movie but it wasn't horrible either. $$$ is what it's about and who better to fill the "suits" pockets than a handful of kids who want to see a guy going around killin folks. Im still in awe the last one got a R even though at times it felt a bit like PG-13. In the case of the Punisher, it's [Balls in or Balls out] either motherfuckin-action-fist-to-the-face, nose-up-the brain-hardcore-shitbricks or nothing at all. Of course the production call is the major problem but what if it got into the hands of a shitty director like "Pukey" Boll or the ever terminal Mark Steven Johnson who killed marvel 3 times with Daredevil, Elektra and Ghostrider. This is even worse than pulling the plug on decapitations and fuck-yous cause at least in the hands of a great director it can be dealth with, ie: Sam Raimi(usually)

  • May 15, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    It will never happen...

    by Ironmuskrat

    Kudos's to Jane for bailing on this piece of crap. I thought he was a decent Punisher, but the real problem is the movie studios will never portray Punisher as the truly ruthless asshole that he is in the comics. <p> There is always the temptation it seems to turn Frank into some kind of hero with a heroes code like Spider Man or Capitan America. The Punisher is unique in that he doesn't care if your just a purse snatcher or a mugger. Your going to get whacked the same as if your a drug lord.<p> The scene that stands out for me in the first movie is when Frank has captured that dumbass flunky of the mob boss. He gets information out of him by pretending to torture him with a Popsicle! What? Are you kidding me? The real Frank Castle would have ate the Popsicle, then jammed the stick in his eye and twisted it in his eye socket until he talked. <p> Whoever does decide they want to make a Punisher movie really does need to sit down and read the Ennis stuff from the Max line, hell even read the early stuff by Mike Baron.

  • May 15, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Jane should go out for the

    by JUSTICE41

    Jane should go out for the Sub Mariner role. I heard The guy from Bones went out for it.That Boreaniz(sp) Guy. Tom Jane looks more like Namor than Angel.

  • May 15, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    No Jane...howabout Johnny Messner?

    by thevision

    Ok, Punisher sucked but best thing about the film was the leading man Thomas Jane- Lionsgate just doesn't have the balls to go all out and get Garth Ennis to do his thing with Thomas Jane! Anyway, I'm hoping the license or whatever expires with Lionsgate and Marvel gets Frank back and do Punisher right. If Thomas Jane won't be back, I think Johnny Messner would be a good replacement- Anaconda 2, Running Scared and Spartan...and I think he had short lived TV series back in '05 with Chi Mcbride. Messner looks like Frank Castle even more than Thomas Jane.

  • May 15, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Well hot damn

    by Vern

    On one hand, this is sad because, as one of the rare individuals who actually liked THE PUNISHER, I have been waiting patiently in hopes that they would for some reason do a part 2 as they've been threatening. On the other hand, I am happy because maybe even more than it needs a PUNISHER 2, the world needs people with a code of honor who will stand up for what's right like Tom Jane just did there.<p> And by stand up for what's right I do not mean some shit about adapting comic strips to you guys's specifications, but about doing movies for art and not as a product. He didn't believe in it, for whatever reasons, so he left. Good for him. You don't see alot of that these days, that integrity business.<p> Tom Jane has been high on my list since I saw STANDER (yes, it needs to be mentioned as many times as possible in this talkback), and now that he has done this AND been studying THE DRIVER I think he has earned his Bruce Willis Honorary Officer of the Badass Arts medal. Congratulations.<p> Now, as for THE PUNISHER PART 1. For somebody who never read the comic strips (which, let's face it, is most of the world) this is a surprisingly good movie, with an old school action vibe combined with its own weird style. I didn't expect to like it, I wasn't even planning to watch the whole thing. But first of all, they didn't just kill his family - they went to his god damn family reunion and killed HIS ENTIRE EXTENDED FAMILY. That is what is known as "fucking awesome." That is something I haven't seen in a revenge movie before. And at the point where the wife was trying to escape in a jeep towing a boat and still managed to catch air I suddenly realized that I was actually enjoying the movie. I like the fight with the guy in the striped shirt, the evil mariachi guy, the fact that John Travolta is surprisingly subdued. The idea of John Travolta in this day and age playing a comic book villain brings to mind some sort of overacting holocaust, like Nic Cage in THE WICKER MAN colliding with Colin Farrell in DAREDEVIL and create a supernova that wipes out an entire solar system. But somehow they got him to stay calm.<p> In fact, the stuff that doesn't work is the stuff that is meant to be "comic booky." Not sure if it comes from the illustrated torture porn books or not but the skull t-shirt, the exploding cars shaped like a skull and that type of shit was what was holding it back. The rest was good enough to overcome that.<p> Anyway, sorry to see this movie go, but happy to see Tom Jane living up to expectations as the future of badass cinema.

  • May 15, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Alonzo Mosely...

    by moto

    I understant the viewpoint. I do so expecting some flack. But let me tell you this, if I had that mind set of "Do you really think this is going to work", then I wouldn't be who I am and where I am today. I'm not mr. successful writer at all yet, but I'm at a position thankfully enough where tens of thousands of writers/filmmakers would kill to be in: Represented, working, signed deal, and with open doors to studio level decision makers... but sometimes even that isn't enough. It's about timing and being at the right place at the right time. And I got to this level by not saying or thinking "Do you really think this is going to work?" <p> I don't promote writers/filmmakers stalking celebrities, sneaking onto studio lots, barging into offices, and things of that nature. That's crossing a line. But here there's an open forum where communication may or may not be made to individuals (Bruce, Sly, and now Thomas) that have opened up and proved to be somewhat down to earth... so if there's a chance, worst case scenario I write a post, take some flack, and never hear from them. It's not like I'm assaulting them on the red carpet by throwing a script at them. <p> Point being, I got this far by taking those chances and swallowing my pride doing so at times. It's a tough business Alonzo. I'm sure you know. You should see agents, managers, filmmakers, and producers at an awards after party or something trying to get x actor or director interested in a project. This is the same thing but in a different forum. It's just how the business is. I can give you tons of personal examples that I thought were longshots at best, that ended up working. Right place, right time, and catching that person in the right mood/mindset. <p> Sorry to write so much. Just thankful and hope writers that may read this aren't afraid to make a move towards their goals/dreams. Sappy... yet true.

  • May 15, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by gusradio

    i was really looking forward to this. i hope the increadible hulk will kick some ass.

  • May 15, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    There were moments in Punisher where you believed he was Frank Castle. To Mr. Jane: Sorry Hollywood is a fucking douche. I really wanted to see a balls out Punisher film. Thanks for trying. The fans appreciate it.

  • May 15, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST


    by getsomebs

    This is the worst news I have heard in years. The Punisher, in my eyes, was easily the best Marvel film. Since then I've followed every move by Jane. It really sucks that he won't be doing it anymore.

  • May 15, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Vern and the rest of you

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I just ordered Stander. I can't wait. I read the synopsis and it sounds great. I have always liked Jane. I really liked him in Under Suspicion, I thought he made a great Castle and I laughed when I noticed him in Nemesis (guilty pleasure). Too many of you have mentioned Stander and therefore I would be remiss if I did not view it. A paltry ten bucks. <P>Vern, the Ennis MAX series is the shit. If you're interested, pick up a trade. It shant disappoint. I enjoy everything you write and appreciate your views. Be well.

  • May 15, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Hey Vern

    by B0D

    I agree with HeWhoCannotBeNamed, read Punisher. Don't be so hard on something you know nothing about, especially something that is most definitely right up your street. Chill. I agree with hiring Ennis to right the script, makes so much sense. That story where one of the bad guys pisses on Frank's wife's grave, footage of which is then shown on tv. That's the Punisher I'd like to see. Why can't Lionsgate see what they've got here?

  • May 15, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Give mr jane some faith lionsgate!

    by machman36

    over the last few years i have been looking out for one film over all of the spiderman,ff,ghost rider ,batman,etc.that film is the sequel to the not too bad 1st film of the Punisher.Thomas Jane is frank castle or he was at least looking that way near the end of the 1st film.i was looking foward to this film sooo much.i hope something can be sorted out.Thomas Jane your a class guy you've got my support from the U.K

  • May 15, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed - SIKE!!!!!!!!!!

    by Womb2dooM

    Hahaha, we were fucking with you, punk! Stander sucks, we all just wanted to see who would be stupid enough to believe us and spend actual money on this turd! What was with the crappy accents - worse brits EVER! It just wants to be a sequel to Point Break but it's not even set near the ocean. What up wit dat?!

  • May 15, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Moto Redux...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I do respect you man, if you got a script that far you have gone much further than 99% of people who ever sit in front of a computer and begin to type <p> Ext. Night. Mom's Basement...<p> However, I still say throwing desperate pleas in TBs is not the way to go, but hell, that is just my opinion. Feel free to call me a knob-jockey in your first oscar speech...

  • May 16, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Thomas Jane is, and will be, Frank Castle

    by TheBigChill

    No, maybe The Punisher wasn't perfect, but for a movie based on a pretty flawed comic book, it delivered the action movie I didn't see coming. The unabashed violence that occured during the run-time of the fim was outstanding and unexpected. Like Vern, I didn't expect to enjoy the movie. In fact, I didn't plan on watching it at all until it arrived at my house thanks to someone adding it to my queue for Blockbuster Online, yet after watching it, I had to say that I didn't just enjoy it, I was wildly entertained and praying that a second one would be made that would explore the what next sort for Frank Castle angle, but unfortunately the movie that many geek fans wished they would see will never happen. When looking back on why I enjoyed The Punisher so much, I realized it wasn't the action, but it was Thomas Jane. I had never liked him in anything else before, but when he donned the black t-shirt and started sucking on the bottle of Wild Turkey like it was the only thing in the world that would keep him alive, he looked like a big screen bad ass, our Bruce Willis, this was his Die Hard series, and though I'm greatly disappointed to see that this movie, with him involved, will never come to fruition, I'm happy that he didn't get sucked in to a crappy sequel and that he stuck to his values and walked. Rest in peace Frank Castle, hopefully Jane can remember you in the form of another character.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    I suppose it would be Int. Night. Mom's basement...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Unless your momma's so poor her basement is outside... I watch movies so I don't have to write them... Although I do have this great idea about a drug that opens up a portal to a demonic dimension called The DOORWAY to TRUE EVIL...

  • May 16, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST


    by moto

    I see your point. Thanks for the advice. Still stand by what I did, but thanks.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    The Punisher always gets fucked over. All I'm saying is that there are not many action franchises, if any, right now. This is a gold slipper, pardon those words. I mean, what the fuck type of ad-wizards set the first Punisher in daylight? I mean, IN FLORIDA. WTF. And against Travolta no less. That was a huge fuck up. I think Tom Jane is a great Punisher. And Quint, you're goddamn right Walter Hill would have done this right. Somewhere, Dolph Lund laughs.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    no point in doing one without Thomas Jane

    by lynxpro

    You know, I had my doubts when it was announced that Jane had landed the role for the first film. But the guy truly rocked in the role and it is admirable how much he embraced the character fully, just as Christian Bale has done with Batman. The film made me a fan of Jane and I went on to check him out in other roles like *Stander*. We need another Punisher film, set in New York City with Jane's Punisher inflicting a higher body count on crime than even Dolph Lungren's Punisher did back in the day on straight-to-video. Just get a damn script, don't blow the budget on a salary for someone like Travolta, and let Jane shine. Are all Hollywood execs dumb? Oh wait, don't answer that.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Just finished Dolph's Punisher

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Still holds up for me. Yeah, it has lots of problems, but is still captures the "essence" of The Punisher. Maybe the nostalgia is clouding my objectivity/judgement. Maybe the Scotch. Regardless, Dolph just killed 'em all. Jane makes a better Castle though.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Whacky as hell...

    by Napoleon Park

    ...all the folks here, including one who apparently works here, identify the Thomas Jane Punisher movie as the first, as if the Dolph Lundgren Punisher movie never happened. What up with that? <P> Thomas Jane is a big tough guy wo I'm not going to make crude sexist comments about his wife (though the "Medium renewed" talk back was full of them), but if I was married to Patricia Arquette I'd be spending a lot of time at home in bed. <p> Thomas Jane would like to be in a Punisher movie that doesn't suck. After "2" a lot of fans want a Spider-Man movie that doesn't suck. The Punisher was originally a Spider-man protagonist. And fans love cross-over movies. Does anyone see where I'm heading with this?

  • May 16, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST


    by moto

    Well said. I don't view it as a desperate plea at all though. Read the original post and you'll agree I'm sure. It was more of a "hey dude, if you're reading this, give Lions Gate a call and ask about x script they have in development." It'd be different if I wrote a 500 word post explaining the story and why I think he'd be great for it. Fuck that, right:) THAT would have been a desperate plea. This was more of a short and sweet heads up. But see your point and well said. <p>

  • May 16, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    I meant "3".

  • May 16, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    get Joe Carnahan & his bro to crank a script out...

    by lynxpro

    I have to side with the hometown hero as director and scribe for this project. He likes to do gritty films and *The Punisher* would be the perfect vehicle for him. And just like with Jane, Carnahan stuck to his principles which led to him being shown the door over *MI:3* when Cruise Missile's handlers disagreed with a gritty take. If Carnahan can make Ryan Reynolds look like a badass (wait, so did Goyer), then he certainly can elevate Thomas Jane's cinematic asskickery beyond what we saw in the first Punisher reboot.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Napoleon Park...

    by Womb2dooM

    "if I was married to Patricia Arquette I'd be spending a lot of time at home in bed." - Thanks for not making any crude sexist comments.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    ban Sylar-eats-brains NOW!!!

    by Frank Black

    I have had it with this jerk. He has put so much energy into trying to spoil Lost for all of the people who like it. Ban him! If for nothing else other than posting off topic, ban him! I wish there was a button to make idiots online appear in front of you so you could show them what happens when you talk shit in real life to real people. Thomas Jane rules!

  • May 16, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    That movie

    by Antonius

    Kicked fucking ass. Fuck anyone that didn't like The Punisher. It was badass.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Mark Steven Johnson is a pox upon the House of M

    by lynxpro

    Seriously, what kind of a egocentric smeghead does one have to be [insert Michael Bay joke] to try to put their own inferior spin on a character like Daredevil for a screenplay instead of doing a straight adaptation of Frank Miller's "Born Again" storyline? That would have been epic and the perfect cinematic story to introduce audiences to Daredevil. But instead, he put forward his own lame ass version. Perhaps him and Akiva Goldsman are the same person. People can biotch all they want about David Goyer, but he's ten times the screenwriter and director that MSJ is. MSJ will never write a *Batman Begins* caliber screenplay even if there were one thousand of him slappin'away at the same time on their own personal Commodore 64s or Trash-80s.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Put Jane in Superman instead of Routh.

    by superninja

    They don't need someone that handsome for the Punisher, they need someone more thuggish.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    no no no...

    by lynxpro

    Tom Welling for Supes and Rosenbaum for Lex. And shitcan what's-his-multimillion-dollar-ass-crusing Craiglist-for-manpie-and-then-blames-said-individual-for-stealing-his-cell-phone back to the Vic in London where he belongs. Then sick Jon Peters in a fight to the death with Bryan Singer in a Thunderdome-esque cage match where instead of suspended chainsaws the instruments of death are spiked butt plugs with Kevin Smith watching and saying "ha ha" at them both over who ruined Superman more but then ending it all with John Byrne pointing to Smith and telling him that his Superman script sucked too at which point Jay appears with a bong and recounts how he drove Paris Hilton to lesbianism and a domestic partnership with Rosie and a debate as to which one of them wears the giant keychain on their hip with the most amount of keys affixed to it.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Well, bummer...

    by SonOfJorel

    I liked the first one. I really, really did. Jane grasped that character, wrestled that fucker to the ground, and made damn sure that everyone knew that it was his. I was unfathomably excited to see the further adventures of Frank Castle, as given to us by 'ol TJ. Now this. Well, that's okay. No Thomas Jane, no me for any Punisher sequel. I flat out fucking refuse. At this point, anyone else in that role would be like having some fucking CW prick playing Harry Callahan. BTW, I just did a project for one of my classes this semester, and I used TJ's Punisher for it. Got an A.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Tom Jane just made my list of favorite actors

    by IndustryKiller!

    Bloody good show my friend. I was already planning on seeing The Mist and Killshot but I'll be looking forward to whatever he does from here on out. That's a fucking stand up move right there is what that is. Fuck the Punisher sequel and 99% of comic book films in general. Maybe witht he immediate fan drubbing of Ghost Rider and Spider Man 3 people are actually starting grow and backbone and some taste.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    I actually liked the first

    by slapshot

    'specially the extended cut. The obvious stuff that didn't work was Travolta's scene-chewing and the Ennis bits (the Russian, the neighbors, etc.). Kudos to Jane for having the balls to walk away from a bad project, though. Nice to see someone in H'wood still has the guts to do the right thing now and then. I'm sure Lion's Gate will go ahead and make the sequel, wonder who they'll get to replace him? (Eric Dane, perhaps?)

  • May 16, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Fuck Punisher u must be stupid

    by pud_mckenzie

    what are u smokin home cause u need to kick the habit. The Punisher is probably one of the best Comics out there. So come down to earth where we can kick ur ass.If u want Directions Please Reaspond. Plus Thomas Jane Rocks

  • May 16, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Kind of wacky for this talkback but...

    by losder

    Tom Jane would make a really good Captain America. It's kind of the polar opposite in the comic book spectrum, but whatever. The only problem is that captain america movies signal the death of comic book movies for at least 7 years.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Ja, I am with you on dis Herr Buzz.

    by superninja

    Punisher is a dead-end in the movie department. Perhaps it could be fun on t.v.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Jane might be a good Cap.

    by superninja

    He comes across as too sensitive for Punisher. I saw the film and he does not strike the right note, I don't care how many weights he lifted, or how many times he made that face. Castle works best when he is practically soulless and the movie took the wrong direction from frame 1. <p>Anyway, he IS better suited to playing a character like Cap or Superman who has a degree of sensitivity but still embodies the masculine ideal. I'd love to see Jane's Superman team up with Bale's Batman.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    didn't even realize they were making a sequel

    by decfx

    the first was such a bomb at the box office.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Lionsgate Stopped Giving a Fuck

    by Liberty Valance

    Lionsgate used to be a respectable arthouse independent. Nowadays all they do is shit out a new "Saw" movie every Halloween, milk every cent they can out of the already tiresome Tyler Perry teat and fill the in-between time with Larry the Cable Guy masterpieces and spectacularly awful no-budget horror. If you're looking for quality from this company, you need to look about five years in the past.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Tom Jane kicked ass in Stander

    by antonphd

    And you really can't mention that enough. Let's see... maybe... Jack Ryan for Tom Jane's future? I know he's baddass muscle guy now, but, I'd like to see him in a smart action flick. Maybe he can play Defoe's character. Also, how about a some Sam Spade or other Hard Boiled Private Detectives. I would like to see Jane taking on some of the smarter action characters. Give me a remake of the Maltese Falcon. Just don't let anyone who has directed commercials of music videos near it.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by antonphd

    Captain America would be cool with Jane. Heh... let's face it... he should have been Daredevil and that's that.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Krack... you're making a mountain...

    by moto

    ...out of a mole hill. Or whatever the expression is. I wrote "Give Lionsgate a call and ask them about a script in development phase called "One Shot, One Kill". Character driven action flick! Perfect for you. They have the option and are searching for talent." <p> It wasn't some desperate plea. It wasn't pitching some idea I had. It is what it is. It was me saying "IF you're reading this... check this script out at Lions Gate." It was professional, straight, and to the point. And in no way resembles a "call my sister it's her birthday" or "I have a cool idea for a movie". The dude said he hoped to find a flick along the lines of what he had been watching, and I threw out a quick and short comment. Let it go. This is getting ridiculous.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    use garth ennis's writings, and dolph lundgren as frank

    by Bob C. Cock

    as shitty as the first punisher movie was from the early 90's, dolph lundgren can kill anyone he wants as far as i'm concerned.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Did anyone play the hacked and uncensored

    by Dr. Frankenstein

    version of the "PUNISHER" on xbox? jeez, that has to go down in history as the most bad ass game ever made. If they made a movie they should go for that kind of carnage and release it unrated on DVD and wait for the "300" style dollars to roll in. The public wants uber-violence. I'm kinda hoping as HD film making and sFX gets cheaper and filters to the masses then we're going to see a real democratisation of film making and, finally, some hardcore entertainment. Fuck the studios and the MPAA.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Tom Jane for Daredevil

    by antonphd

    life isn't fair enough for that to happen. but it would be pretty damn cool if Jane still wants to play a superhero. but Marvel couldn't do something that cool.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    antonphd, he would've been a good Daredevil as

    by superninja

    well, certainly better than manboy Affleck. Jane comes across as mature, he could be any number of superheroes. I would hate to see Bale's Batman have to pay respect to Routh's Superman, it would never be believable.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Jane would even be a pretty good Green Arrow

    by superninja

    although I still prefer Aaron Eckhart.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Let's just say they DO restart Daredevil with Jane.

    by superninja

    (They've done it with Hulk.) Which storyline would you use since they already took one of the better ones?

  • May 16, 2007, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Isn't that sort of the second film you want

    by superninja

    after you start really strong on the first, kind of like Tony drinking problem out of control in Iron Man 2 or the Death of Gwen Stacy in Spidey? <p>Now I am thinking of Buzz's comments about how not every comic book needs to be a movie. Daredevil might be better suited for t.v. given the focus of the lawyering and the heavy soap opera.

  • May 16, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Tom Jane has earned some much needed respect here...

    by Doc_Strange

    I never knew he put so much of himself into a tier 2 Marvel character. That takes dedication and a sincere love for the character. I hope he finds his success in Hollywood and that his breakthrough film can stand out with those that he mentioned. Personally, I think he looks like the futuristic bounty-hunter type. Kind of like Mel Gibson back in the Mad Max days. There's an idea. How bout that? There's a $100 million idea. Let's see if any directors reading this take note....

  • May 16, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST

    The first film was so tragic and so ridiculous.

    by superninja

    I am a firm believer in building up the hero before you bring him crashing down. :) They should do a reboot that has a happy ending with Murdoch getting the girl (Karen) and his law firm doing well and him giving the Kingpin a setback. That way when he loses it all it will mean something.

  • May 16, 2007, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Same problem I had with the Spidey films.

    by superninja

    In the first film he turns down MJ because he doesn't want her to be in danger (W-H-A-T?). The second had a happy ending which is why everyone liked it. The last one had a sad/happy ending when everyone wanted MJ to die. See, if they had switched the arcs and tone of 2 and 3 it would've worked better.

  • May 16, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Punisher is a lame character in and of himself.

    by superninja

    The only thing that makes him interesting is how people react to him. His own personal drama is what drives him, but it's just a reference that justifies his killing rage, it is not what drives the stories. They made Punisher too everyman and likeable in the Jane movie. He is supposed to be like the man without a name character that dispenses justice to mob wackos and hitmen freaks.

  • May 16, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    The Punisher cost around $16mil and brought in $54mil

    by Womb2dooM

    And this doesn't count video, TV etc sales. Hardly Spider-Man numbers, but by no means a flop.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Hey Thomas if you read this...

    by Frye777

    ...respect to you! Now that was a ballsy and honest move! Keep up the great work, Stander was really great! I am sure a guy who projects coolness like you will make an even greater career in the future. Best wishes!

  • May 16, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    "Thanks for not making any crude sexist comments." *** yeah, I know. I moderate a BDSM group and sometimes I can't help talking like a gas station attendant. That was meant as a restrained comment. The guy has a lovely wife. (And she did okay too, mate wise.) "Spending time in bed" is what happily married people find time to do.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:30 a.m. CST

    She has nice tits, too...

    by Womb2dooM

    while we're on the topic.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Nope Marvel just like DC

    by Unnatural

    I had high hopes for Marvel properties when Spider-Man, The Hulk and The Punisher hit theaters. Some hits, some misses, but the misses still were better than anything after Superman II and Batman Returns. Now with Spider-man 3 and X-men 3 and this news, I am convinced... the more money these morons make, the more they take a personal stake in fucking up our movies. Oh well, just another $10 I can save if it ever gets made.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Thomas Jane Did My Comedy Show A Week Ago...

    by Mike

    It's called The Intergalactic Defenders of Comedy a show at the Improv in L.A. where the theme is stand-up comics who are into comics and sci-fi John Pinette (who was also in the Punisher) headlined the show. Jane is a class act. Everyone in the audience got a signed copy of his comic book Alien Pig Farmer and he also signed tons of Punisher stuff for us to give away. During the show we did a brief interview, I asked him flat out if he was in Spider-Man 2 at the end and he winked at the audience and said he couldn't talk about it. He also mentioned they were having trouble nailing down a good script for the sequel and that he was hoping to have Jigsaw in it. He couldn't have been a better guest and everyone left the show happy. It's too bad to hear he's out but I agree, do it right or not at all. His career will be fine and Lionsgate will either wise up or do the straight to video Punisher that runs it into the ground which will only inspire someone else to show them how it's done ten years from now. You can check out the show at: We should have some video up soon.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Jane was the only good thing...

    by Steve Rogers the shitfest that was Punisher 1. I wish Arad, Marvel and the other pricks involved had waited until they actually had some budget and behind the camera talent to use on the picture rather than rushing into it ill-prepared and under-funded. The only chance Punisher 2 had of being any fucking good at all just walked out the door.

  • May 16, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Andre Stander!

    by raw_bean

    Just joining the parade of folks wanting to express how great Jane was in Stander. He's always impressed me even in shitty films like P1, and this note here proves what a stand-up guy he is. He needs more good flicks like Stander. Hollywood: get on it!

  • May 16, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Dolph is needed

    by CuervoJones

    blam blam

  • May 16, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    He was fucking brilliant in Stander

    by 11dayempire

    The guy really should be better-known. A hardcore, Walter-Hill-directed Punisher 2 might just have been the way to achieve that. Oh well, Lionsgate. Good job on pissing away that franchise...

  • May 16, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    I’m a french director in competitions to direct P2…

    by dsarrio

    Hi guys, I send you a link where you can watch a teaser Based on Marvel’s Character Punisher that I produced and directed. In fact, ,I ‘m in competition to direct “The Punisher 2” for Lion’s Gate (I have a representative in LA )In order to get a chance I produced and directed a teaser about my vision of this character. You can watch the teaser on Ftp address : ( try first low def) You can a also watch another shorts on : “Feedback” / best action sequence short and best action short of the year 2006 at OOF Festival L.A or “Daredevil the teaser”, my first short. I hope you’ll enjoying them I’m so disappointed that Thomas Jane pulls out the Punisher sequel ! …and they should have take Walter Hill, he made greats films ! All the best David Sarrio

  • May 16, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    I might watch THE PUNISHER if only for one thing...

    by Knugen

    and that would be Travolta getting killed in a wonderfully gruesome way. I personally can't stand that cultist fuck. Too bad he is a fairly talented actor.

  • May 16, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    I saw the Tom Jane's punisher on TV a while ago and

    by emeraldboy

    it came off as a tv movie of the week. It looked like they had very little money while making it. The mob angle made no sense. What travolta was doing in it I have no idea. Cheap rubbish.

  • May 16, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    watch teaser Punisher 2 !!

    by dsarrio

    I’m a french director in competitions to direct P2… Hi guys, I send you a link where you can watch a teaser Based on Marvel’s Character Punisher that I produced and directed. In fact, ,I ‘m in competition to direct “The Punisher 2” for Lion’s Gate (I have a representative in LA )In order to get a chance I produced and directed a teaser about my vision of this character. You can watch the teaser on Ftp address : ( try first low def) You can a also watch another shorts on : “Feedback” / best action sequence short and best action short of the year 2006 at OOF Festival L.A or “Daredevil the teaser”, my first short. I hope you’ll enjoying them I’m so disappointed that Thomas Jane pulls out the Punisher sequel ! …and they should have take Walter Hill, he made greats films ! All the best David Sarrio

  • May 16, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    DonkeyTron and Quint

    by ToJPhantom

    The Popsicle scene, the Russian, Harry Heck, Joan, Dave, and Bumpo are all in the comics.

  • May 16, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Punisher = cynicism and sarcasm

    by Benway1

    Almost non-existant in the first movie and PG at most. I doubt a sequel will be that different. Maybe gorier or the inclusion of some of that overrated boring torture porn, but the ennis humor, nah they don't get it I bet. Maybe Edgar Wright or that guy who did Severance

  • May 16, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT! That was fucking amazing. The dialogue and tone matched the character perfectly. The self hatred. The lighting. The Punisher killing alot of people and being a ruthless asshole. Brilliant. Can WE PLEASE GET THOMAS JANE BACK AND AN AWESOME SCRIPT! And give this a guy a shot...that short was more the Punisher than the whole last movie.

  • May 16, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST

    lost cause

    by Obscura

    they've got rid of Jane, who was the only good thing about the original. plus his voice acting work for the game was spot on perfect for the character. he knew how to do this character right, he just didnt get the chance. fuckit, why dont we just write a script? quint can direct, we all get our names in the credits. a film by the people for the people. lionsgate get the cash, we get the film we wanted.

  • May 16, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Stander is fantastic.

    by DocPazuzu

    One of the best movies I saw that year, hands down. I've always liked Tom Jane and never understood the flak he gets. After this glimpse of what the private Tom Jane thinks and feels, my respect for the man has increased even more. For those of you who haven't seen Stander yet, do what HeWhoCannotBeNamed did -- put it at the top of your viewing lists. You won't regret it.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    I just got sp ed Punisher too!

    by Dazzler69

    This is a bad day for me! I have been waiting for Jane to come back for this...bullshit...

  • May 16, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Love early Walter Hill .. but Supernova?

    by JackRabbitSlim

    Yes Ive read rumors of endless studio interference - but do you see ANYTHING remotely worthwhile in that film? And for the mean green perspective, it lost an Exxon-Mobil quarterly profit at the boxoffice. While i for one enjoyed that last prison flick he did - with Snipes and Rhames, i can certainly see why he'd now be considered a lowbudget niche director. Hell why not start mentioning Kathryn Bigelow or John Dahl?

  • May 16, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Studio Logic

    by 1FearlessJay

    Studio Exec: "How can we f*@k up our Punisher property any more in the sequel? We already changed his origin, toned him down, and set the story in a tropical local." Studio Lackee: "Well, what if we drive Tom Jane off the picture." Studio Exec: "That's perfect! He was the best thing about the original! DTV here we come!"

  • May 16, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Oh, and I forgot to add...

    by 1FearlessJay

    Studio Exec: "And bring me the heads of some kittens to eat."

  • May 16, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Punisher should be a live action HBO series...

    by stlfilmwire

    It would be great as a series. A film? Not so much.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Thomas Jane = Class

    by cromulent

    Definitely love the Jane. Enjoyed his work even in the not so great movies like Dreamcatcher. Wasn't he in Arrested Developement for one episode? haha nice.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    QUINT - seriously - take down this post

    by Fish Tank

    IF Jane was OK with you actually posting it (though I doubt it, or he didn't think it through), it's probably best to not post a personal letter on the web. There are actors that can get away with this, and unfortunately Jane aint one of them. I've seen every flick he's in, and I really do like him as an actor, but he doesn't have Cruise, Willis or Smith power (yet). The last thing he needs is to come across as a whiny baby that goes running to movie web sites when nothing goes his way. The way I see it - this was a PERSONAL letter to you - not the public. Congrats, you're tight with Jane, now pull the post, or mod it, and do the right thing. I'd like to see him get more work.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Tom Jane just earned my man-love.

    by Doctor_Sin

    It's so painfully obvious that we need to quit blaming the actors for films...quit blaming directors...we all know the Suits (where do they come from that they are all so fucking lame???) fuck shit up.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Walking a Fine Line

    by BeyondStatic

    The character, clearly, deserves a hard R-rated film to be fully realized. But a hard R is a tough sell in comic adaptations (think SPAWN). Even with Jane as near-perfect casting, a bad script is a bad script. There is massive potential here, but after the first film the studio is no doubt (or at least SHOULD BE) weary of risking boucoup bucks on what is now a tremendous gamble. We're walking a fine line here. But if they can get a GOOD SCRIPT then perhaps they can lure back they're key star and make a film that is worth talking about - or better yet, seeing!

  • May 16, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a cool guy

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Not just for pulling out, but because it seems like he was busting his ass to ensure the sequel would be really good. What a shame all his work came to nothing.<p>Also, what the hell, I will also chime in and suck Stander's dick. That is a great film, which is recommended to anyone who hasn't seen it.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Todd Parker.........

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Stick to your guns brother.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Don't forget 61*

    by aquaman99

    That and Stander proved to me that this guy has depth. Yeah, he exhibited it in the Punisher and it was the dark hair...I swear at moments he looks just like Jack Keroauc circa that famous Gap ad... Tom, take it from a fellow Baltamoran...DO MORE DEEP ROLES.!

  • May 16, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    TJ is an incredible actor- FUCK Lionsgate...

    by Jugdish

    Seriously this dude needs to screw that Punisher bullshit..Imagine if they did a remake of OLDBOY with him and Nic Cage- that would never happen because of Virginia Tech- but there would be a strange vibe since both guys have been married to the same broad...I say do it

  • May 16, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Oh fuck...

    by Fenrisulfr

    Man this is a movie I really wanted to see. Thomas had been talking about that sequel for quite a while now, saying that it would be darker and even more violent, that Castle WOULD torture criminals and all. The first Punisher kinda sucked, I agree. But like some you said already, it wasn't Jane's fault at all. I actually thought Jane was quite good as The Punisher. This news really saddens me.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Reboot - again?

    by theyreflockingthisway

    As The Punisher is a very character driven story and Thomas Jane isn't returning, does that mean a sequel should still go ahead? I mean we can use a degree of imagination with the movies and it's an actor's job to play someone they're not - but will we be able to follow a story where the main character changes in the next chapter? The story is about Frank Castle - he's not someone you can easily replace in a sequel and expect the audience to not care. I wouldn't be interested in seeing a sequel with a new Punisher and another reboot (which will be the third time) seems pointless. It should just not be made unless they can produce and original stand alone story that isn't another origin.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Just read some of Garth Ennis' punisher stuff

    by BLWiseass

    put Castle in New York, have him shootup mafia bad guys and be creative with it. It isn't brain surgery.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST


    by Fenrisulfr

    And did someone already mention THURSDAY? I loved this film. When Thomas gets raped by that tall skinny bitch, lol. Lot of comedy in this one, and Jane was brilliant.

  • May 16, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Jane's best work, clearly...

    by keyserSOZE

    was on Arrested Development. "Look, you're really sweet, but I'm Tom Jane."

  • May 16, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by Drexl Spivey


  • May 16, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Jane was great

    by photoboy

    It's a real shame he's pulling out, but if it's going to be a shitty movie then he's definitely made the right decision.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Thursday was really good!

    by Frank Black

    We used to watch it at the video store once a month with the owner and he loved the dialogue in the quickie mart about Star Trek. I liked Deep Blue Sea too and actually saw that at a premiere in NY and shook his hand after and told him how much I loved the movie and loved him in Boogie Nights. He is a great actor and hopefully we will continue to see him in great roles.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Jane's own Punisher

    by Magnum Opus

    I remember reading, years ago, that Jane was trying to buy the script himself to make a smaller budget hardcore gritty Punisher which the big studios would never be down with. It's a shame that never happened, because what I read from him back then sounded just like this, impassioned and serious about doing the comic justice.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Wait a second...

    by Colin62

    I'm sure a "comic enthusiast" has already pointed this out, but the popsicle interrogation is taken word for word and frame by frame from Punisher War Zone #1.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Fincher+Liotta= The Punisher

    by Mandolorian

    That's all.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    They should get Wayne Kramer!

    by Neo Zeed

    Running Scared was awesome. Walter Hill would've been awesome. IF John Woo would've got his head out his ass while in the states, this would've been a great project for him. How about John McTeirnan or Paul Verhoeven. They can't be asking for mega-salaries nowadays. If they want a new guy why not get that dude who made Hostage. He was pretty good.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I have major respect for Thomas Jane...

    by Double-Oh

    Vern is right, it's a rare occurrence in mainstream Hollywood that you see an actor stand up for the art rather than a feeble attempt at a studio trying to pick up some dough. What I don't understand is that whenever studios decide to destroy artistic vision to pander to the mainstream it always results in poor critical reception and box office numbers. It's amazing that people who run a multimillion dollar industry can't learn that simple lesson. Spiderman 3 only made major cash because the first two were so damn good and people expected something great with the 3rd. Spidey 3 is going to have less repeat viewers (like me) who will see it again in relation to the last two and less people will be enthusiastic to spend money on the sequels.

  • May 16, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Punisher 1 is just horrible

    by BrowncoatJedi

    I hope this project is canceled now.

  • May 16, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    How about make a 80's/90s Pre-matrix style action movie

    by Neo Zeed

    I get the vibe that Thomas Jane and the director don't like those kind of action movies. Heck, 90% of the movies Jane listed aren't even action movies (Although maybe they're just movies that help with his performance.) The first Punisher tried to be some thriller/comedy thing. It didn't work. I like crime movies and 70's style stuff but I also find myself watching Passenger 57, Lethal Weapon (123), Speed, Point Break. In fact if they got those writers and directors, the movie would've been a HUGE step up IMO. All they need is a script with proper three act structure and an experienced crew (who can shoot action in the vein of Die Hard) and I'm good.

  • May 16, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Kirk. James Tiberius Kirk.

    by Matango!

    Who'd be better?

  • May 16, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Tom Jane......come back

    by liljuniorbrown

    Why can't he direct it himself? Seriously. He knows the look he wants and overall what he's going for so why not direct it himself. If Stallone can direct and write then Tom Jane can fucking direct and write. I have to admit i like the Punisher ,there are things I would change (no singing hitmen,opera lipsynching fat men,gay mobsters,or trench coats in Tampa) but overall it was good. Jane was awesome in Stander (didn't know I was going to have to see his dong but oh well) and I know he could make this film so much better given the chance. I don't want to even get started on the Walter Hill thing I mean fucking Last Man Standing was awesome. I'm boycotting Lionsgate and I beg you all to do the same.I can't even imagine a Tom Jane Punisher2 inspired by all of the films he listed above and written/directed by Walter Hill and Tom Jane. Fuck you Lionsgate.

  • May 16, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    All I wanna know is...

    by CaptainTripps

    where I can get my very own light-up Punisher skull t-shirt!

  • May 16, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Are you sure it was Tom Jane?

    by epitone

    And not just a homeless guy?

  • May 16, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by StarkCEO

    Son of a bitch. I have read every god damn Marvel MAX Punisher. I love that character. I liked the first Punisher movie. I own it and the extended cut. Tom Jane was Frank Castle. Tom Jane if you read this I'm sorry Lionsgate is a piece of shit. You are the Fucking Man! My only hope at this point is Marvel will buy back the Punisher rights (which ain't gonna happen cause money talks and bull shit walks). FUCK YOU LIONSGATE!!! I want to fucking Vomit! Maybe if Marvel could get the rights they could breathe some creativity into this project and TOM JANE could come back. Garth Ennis writes incredible Punisher stories. There is no reason they couldn't adapt any of the MAX stories and have a kick ass movie. As a Punisher fan my heart feels as trampled as Tom's. FUCK YOU IN THE FUCKING GOAT ASS LIONSGATE!!!

  • May 16, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    more fuckin execs..

    by El Borak

    heads out of asses!

  • May 16, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I kinda liked the 1st Punisher...

    by Mr Chuff

    now I know I may be set on fire by die-hard Punisher fans and I KNOW it shouldnt have been in fucking Tampa but in NYC (i do know a LITTLE about Frank Castle!). However shit/great you think The Punisher movie was I was kinda looking forward to a more hard-egded sequel seeing as the character is now established. Its a shame the Jane felt the ened to back out after clearly putting a lot of time and effort into trying to get a more faithful version to the screen. Arad and Marvel REALLY dont need this now after the bum-cough that was Spiderman 3...they shoulda gone with the REAL version of the Punisher and clawed back some respect from comic fans and average Joes alike....

  • May 16, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I know whats next

    by StarkCEO

    A fucking half assed, gimme your money movie with a UFC fighter as a co-star. God Damn you all to hell LIONSGATE!

  • May 16, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    TJ > Lionsgate

    by The Only Woj

    TJ was the only reason Punisher was a decent watch. Without him, I won't be seeing #2.

  • May 16, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Yeah, the popsicle is from War Zone #1...

    by Chief Redcock

    ...and in that comic it was actually kind of cool... I haven't seen the film, so can't comment there. Once again, Marvel, the Punisher is not for kids. The Punisher isn't even really for teenagers. The Punisher is a mature, adult character and should be treated that way. Spider-Man, Hulk, et al should not even be on your mind when you're making this thing... those characters really shouldn't even inhabit the same universe as The Punisher. The Punisher is an old school action hero and should be treated as such.

  • May 16, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Punisher 1: Frank Meets his Whaaacky Neighbors

    by modlight

    That movie was a complete piece of shit. I loved the Punisher comics because unlike any other comics there was no suspense. He had no MJ, or Lois Lane. He had no Kryptonite, He had no secret identity to protect. What I loved was that you knew if there was a bad guy, The Punisher was going to kill them. Nuff said. That was not the case with the movie.

  • May 16, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    With our luck, they'll hire Uwe Boll

    by Jopapa

    Now excuse me while I go hurl

  • May 16, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    notice how all these films

    by El Borak

    get made and then have to get remade and remade again. it's because these lame hollywood types think they know better. they don't. they've made punisher twice and still didn't get it right. IF IT AIN'T A BROKE COMIC DON'T FIX IT!

  • May 16, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Just watched the independently made trailer for P2

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Took forever to load, but I thought is kicked ass. Seriously. Loved the Alien 3 score and the Bradstreet look. Well done. Since the seed was planted in my head last night, I cannot stop thinking about a Walter Hill Punisher 2 with Thomas Jane as Castle and an Ennis MAX storyline adaptation. Whoever said Ennis is a hack, well, I disagree, unless you were joking. I missed the joke. I'll say it again, Ennis' MAX series is where the Punisher belongs. The original mini-series and the MAX series is where they should be culling their material for a new film. They'd still find a way to fuck it up unless they did it Sin City/300 style........

  • May 16, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    While I liked the idea of the whole family

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    being killed at the reunion, I still think the Dolph flashback of the family being killed was all we needed to establish the revenge aspect. Have some police and war flashbacks and you're done. Then it's all Punishment for the rest of the film. I even enjoyed the Yakuza element in the Dolph version. The funny Ennis stuff just didn't work all that well on screen. It made Castle too human. This man is a shell. A psychotic mess. Hoping for death. They captured that to a degree, but weakly. Jane really made it though and I was so hopeful for the hardcore/jigsaw/nyc sequel. I've said that enough now. I'll stop padding the TB. <P>Anyone read Born? Love the Castle 'Nam stuff. I remember him "invading the 'Nam comic" when I was a kid. Good memories.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    Rent / Buy this DVD now! It is criminal how overlooked this one is, and deserved just as wide a release as the comparable Catch Me If You Can.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    48 hours, Johnny Handsome, Trespass, Red Heat,

    by Neo Zeed

    Walter Hill is MORE THAN QUALIFIED for this project. It would've been a return to form for him and would've rocked. Imagine the Punisher busting two guns like Bruce Willis in Last Man Standing. The audience would be cheering! Instead we'll probably get some cheesy Crank ripoff with shaky cam. FUCK!

  • May 16, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Jane is right about the script. Its not good at all.

    by Uncapie

    I read this thing last year and it really lacks a soul. There was so much material to pull from the comics and the writer neglected it. He should have read some "Mack Bolan the Executioner" books to get in the mood. What pissed me off about the first movie is that here the Punisher is given the War Wagon and its destroyed within the minutes of all his hard work. Every writer knows that when you give a hero an amazing car, you use it for awhile, then it can either be saved or destroyed in style. Case-in-point, James Bond's do-anything Aston-Martin in "Goldfinger."

  • May 16, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Realistically, what are the options

    by Napoleon Park

    I can't calculate odds, but if the studio wants a Punisher movie based on a script that sucks and the franchise star walks, what will happen? <p> In declining order of likelihood: 1,) They replace him and make a movie that sucks. 2.) They don't make a Punisher movie. 3.) They get a better script and make it with a different actor. 4.) They get a better script and get Thomas Jane to return to the project. 5.) Marvel takes the character back and uses The Punisher as a villain in a spider-man movie. 6.) Someone who knows what they're doing launches a faithful to the source material film franchise based on Don Pendelton's "Executioner" novel series that "The Punisher" was inspired by and no one ever wants to see a weak watered down funnybook version of the concept ever again.<p? {I bet on one but vote for two or maybe four.)

  • May 16, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by G-Force777

    Mr. Tom Jane if your there please don't go. When I first heard you were going to be the Punisher I didn't believe in you, but you made me a believer. You were everything and then some I thought the Punisher should be. DON'T QUIT!

  • May 16, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    The extended family mass murder...

    by Fenrisulfr

    ... kinda lacked intensity to me. It wasn't graphic enough, it was suggested and quickly edited more than depicted. I don't recall one drop of blood or messed up body in this scene. You need to see the pain to feel the need of revenge. The whole prelude was much more thrilling when we see the killers all in black approaching the house in parallel with the laughs of the relatives.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Punisher needs to be a miniseries

    by bgeek

    10-12 one hour episodes would do the trick for me. Allows for enough time to properly develop the story arcs so it isn't just some shoot-em up flick.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    and for the record

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I loved The Punisher. I saw it twice in theaters and double dipped on the DVD. Love the extended cut Bradstreet opening. I am a Punisher freak and thought both movies worked well, but missed some things as well. I have seen Jane's so many times due to Jane himself. He really is Castle to me.<P>My Stander copy ships today. I should have it by next week. Can't wait. I also got Spartan this morning and looking forward to that as well. Additionally, I am going to finally sit down to watch Munich now due to Messi mentioning it a few times. Just for the action and Bana/Craig. If it delivers otherwise then I will be pleasantly surprised.

  • May 16, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Props to Thomas Jane

    by Darth Thoth

    I hated Punisher but he was great in it. And I respect his letter to Quint. Props to you Thomas. And good luck with future projects. I can't wait to see what you get into next. Peace.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Jane = Class

    by Razorback

    I didn't hate the first Punisher, though I didn't think it was great either. However, I thought Jane was the perfect guy to play Castle. I still think he is the perfect guy to play him... just watch 61* and see a man born to play a conflicted character.

  • May 16, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Jane is cool as hell

    by Eh Nam1313

    Jane is cool as hell met the guy at the San Diego Con, very friendly

  • May 16, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    All comic movies suck

    by zoomddy

    Superman, Batman Returns, Punisher, Fantastic Four, X-Men 1-3, Ghost Rider, Superman Returns . . . they're all crap. Hopefully Hollywood stops trying, and SOON. It simply is not possible to translate a fruity comic with bad spandex costumes into a live action motion picture. Comic books should only be made into animated films. Everyone always picks apart every detail in these films, while ignoring the bigger picture . . .all comic movies are doomed to suck from the outset. Period.

  • May 16, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Ennis gets props for doing his Ennisy thing

    by superninja

    but that doesn't mean it would work on screen. Just like I don't want to see Morrison's New X-Men on screen it would be boooooring. I like Allan Moore and that is about it. Ennis and Morrison are twits.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    RE: DonkeyTron. the popsicle...

    by Luke_Cage

    ...scene is from the one of the first issues fatastic series PUNISHER WARZONE by Chuck Dixon and John Romita jr. I always dreamed that they would film the first storyarc of this title, it was utterly badasss and the truest Punisher portraial till Garth Ennis 'current "Marvel MAX"- series - even though I never liked Ennis' "Welcome back, Frank" stuff. Too quirky and not serious enough. Word

  • May 16, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    RE: GrubStreeter

    by Luke_Cage

    Frank got the shirt during his stint in Vietnam. You can read it in an issue of Marvels NAM. Word

  • May 16, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Krack, I know not what you speak of...

    by moto

    Who is this "Shia" person? wink wink

  • May 16, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I heard Jane read the script,

    by BGDAWES

    and thought it was too 'Punishery'.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    The Punisher was Good

    by Big Dick

    "The Punisher" had a horrible marketing campaign and commercials that made the movie look shitty but I thought the actual product was pretty good. Thomas Jane didn't seem like a cold blooded killer like the Punisher in the comic books but his acting was good and it was a good story with characters I actually cared about. John Travolta suprised me as the villian. I thought I was going to hate him. Too bad Jane's leaving the project. Doesn't look too good for sequel.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Frank Black Is Right. A SIN CITY Approach...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...would work. The Punisher has to be huger than life. Forget realism, because this shit isn't real to begin with and a realistic vigilante movie is something like TAXI DRIVER, and DEATH WISH or ROLLING THUNDER to a lesser extent. Give the Punisher Marv-style SIN CITY action, which only fanboys think of as gritty realism. It's work.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    And A Guy Walking Through A Building Shooting People...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...isn't cinematic. It's creepy, and not in a good, cinematic way. It's the worst video game stupidity. The killing machines have to be on the other side. Whatever the Punisher is up against has to be worse than he is.

  • May 16, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Punisher II

    by Boromir187

    A Walter Hill-directed Punisher II starring Tom Jane would have fucking rocked. This makes me want to cry.

  • May 16, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I'm arriving late on this one

    by Abominable Snowcone

    But wow, how cool of TJ to send Quint a nice personal message like that, explaining his position. Is Jane ripped now or what? Please send us your "Punisher Diet" recipe book. There's some geeks in here who need some muscleseses

  • May 16, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Who should play Frank

    by #1 Zero

    Believe it or not I think Sean Bean would be a good punisher. I didn't see the Hitcher but in the preview there was a scene where he is walking away from a burning car wearing a bullet proof vest and I thought, that is the punisher. Also set it in New York and go the Hulk route by ignoring the first one completely and doing a reboot. No offense to Thomas Jane, he was good but just start over if he's not doing it.

  • May 16, 2007, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Tarantino Directs Colin Farrell in P2.

    by uss cygnus

    "We get down if the play calls for it, bud."

  • May 16, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    watch teaser Punisher 2 !!

    by dsarrio

    I’m a french director in competitions to direct P2… Hi guys, I send you a link where you can watch a teaser Based on Marvel’s Character Punisher that I produced and directed. In fact, ,I ‘m in competition to direct “The Punisher 2” for Lion’s Gate (I have a representative in LA )In order to get a chance I produced and directed a teaser about my vision of this character. You can watch the teaser on Ftp address : ( try first low def) You can a also watch another shorts on : “Feedback” / best action sequence short and best action short of the year 2006 at OOF Festival L.A or “Daredevil the teaser”, my first short. I hope you’ll enjoying them I’m so disappointed that Thomas Jane pulls out the Punisher sequel ! …and they should have take Walter Hill, he made greats films ! All the best David Sarrio

  • May 16, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Maybe he can do Captain America now.

    by Darksider

    He was an ok Punisher, but we'll never really know now. That piece of shit Ennis inspired script and that Western loving director fucked it up. Too bad. Thomas, go for Captain America! Who else is there? You got the look, attitude and the physique already. And you wouldn't have to dye your hair. I want a Saving Private Ryan-esqe flashback in the beginning, kicking the shit out of the Red Skull.

  • May 16, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST


    by Russman

    Now they can shut it down and put it away forever.

  • May 16, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    This has absolutely nothing to do with Punisher

    by skimn

    but has anybody seen the news ( I saw on Attack Of The Show ) that David Boreanaz is set to star in a Jonathon Mostow directed Sub-Mariner movie??

  • May 16, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by Racci

    Man this sucks. I hope the rights revert back to Marvel and they can lure Jane back to the role.

  • May 16, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Rothman and Willis

    by mr. brownstone

    kneel before a greater man than you.

  • May 16, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Punisher 2 just became this year's little miss Hulk 2.

    by Err

    God damnit.

  • May 16, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Well messi

    by Neo Zeed

    Do you have a list of directors that should direct?

  • May 16, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I like lots of things.

    by superninja

    And I only happen to like Alan Moore POST Watchmen and Killing Joke - after he paid penance with his ABC line.

  • May 16, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by dengreg31

    there was a "Punisher" 1 ?? Really? Who knew? Greg

  • May 16, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    John Dahl's in talks to direct Punisher 2!

    by Neo Zeed

    JoBlo's got the scoop. Great choice!

  • May 16, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Punisher 1 sucked, so this must really be bad

    by Rupee88


  • May 16, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Would be a kick ass movie messi

    by Neo Zeed

    But no way in hell can they get Scorcese or Michael Mann (nor would they do it) Just being a realist. I REALLY like The Shield suggestion, so that crew can definitely handle it. I know DJ Caruso directed a few episodes of The Shield, so maybe he can do it in that style. Plus he finally got a hit with that teenie movie Disturbia so he's bankable too (ya know.. to satisfy the bean counters) John Dahl is also a good choice IMO although his flicks are more traditional than what what you're suggesting. However, I'm sure we can agree that he's a MUCH better choice than Jonathan Hensleigh to say the least.

  • May 16, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Both Punisher movies were nigh unwatchable

    by slone13

    And neither resembled Frank Castle in any way.

  • May 16, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Correction on my part

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    When I mentioned 300/Sin City, I merely meant the dedication/respect to source i.e. capturing the essence. P2 should definately and could definately be realisitic. <P> Any hope that LionsGate would wake up and smell the script that Jane walked away from? Any hope they would read these boards and see the love out there for the character and franchise? LionsGate, just pick up Slavers or Kitchen Irish - see what the all the praise/love is about. Whatever. <P> Jane could now do that Cal McDonald flick my wife would love to see. Who knows? <P> I couldn't agree more about the MAX Punisher. It is now the way it should have always been. For me at least. I feel it is and should be the standard now. I like him in the real world type settings as opposed to the Marvel U. I know that's where he started, but I am immensely pleased with the MAX series and I feel Frank if finally "Home". Say what you will about Ennis, but I love his MAX Punisher series. The look is perfect. The Bradstreet covers are so spot on. Usually when I love something so much, it gets cancelled. *crosses fingers* Truly one of my favorite titles. The way the Punisher should be. It's how I always wanted it and I am grateful Marvel and Ennis made it happen. Other crazy Punisher fans would agree too. I'm even enjoying the Barracuda spin-off. <P>Off topic now. Just finished Spartan. I could care less what anyone says. I loved it. Mamet rocks my face off. Sure no one talks like that in real life settings. I don't care. Loved Heist, State and Main, Edmond and Spartan - fuck it, I've enjoyed all his sht. Good on Mamet, Good on. <P> I am looking forward to Munich tonight. Bana & Craig = tightness. Bana was just too cool in BHD. <P> I also loved Moore's ABC writings. Just finished Top Ten and Tom Strong. Promethea was awesome. Nice Superninja, nice. <P> Messi, I'd buy you a shot and a brew if I could. CoFM! Be well brother.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by vettebro

    'nuff said

  • May 16, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    That's cool, but I gotta disagree. As a Punisher fan (been a fan since 1986 - Zeck's work still blows me away and seeing the "live" cover to issue 1 at the Words and Pictures Museum in North Hampton, MA was a treat), I feel both films got many things right. Not perfect, but Castle was captured fairly well in both. I just watched the 1989 one last night (see previous post). As a fan, they work for me. Dolph's was more cold and unapologetic. Jane's was still in infancy and got to that cold spot right at the end. That's why I was so psyched about a sequel. Now they can get down to business. Could have been, should have been. LionsGate = Fools. <P>Check it. I know I will get slammed, but I was thinking along the lines of Mad Max and Road Warrior. Mad Max set the tone was was a great flick. Then Road Warrior came along and blew the first one away. Road Warrior remains one of my favorite movies of all time. I am not compairing Mad Max to Jane's Punisher. Just the concept of cinematically creating a character and then wrecking shop in the sequel. Just so long as the third doesn't represent Mad Max's third. My dad loves that one most, I hate that one most. Anyway, I was hoping for Road Warrior style tightness for P2. Insane thinking, I know. <P>And remember, this is just this toolbox's two cents - mine and mine alone. Just my opinions and preferences; i.e. I may disagree with something that superninja or Mr. Nice Gaius writes (so far messi and I have yet to disagree), but that doesn't mean I don't respect or see their viewpoint....

  • May 16, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky For Green Lantern

    by Colonel Activity

    Think about it. Cosmic, baby. The Punisher is basically "Death Wish" except Bronsan is militarily trained, buffed, and he wears a skull-shirt. No exactly escapist fair. The Punisher could work is a dime novel; something that a hack like Grisham would write is he wrote crime fiction....Lawerence Block, maybe? I don't know; I stopped reading paperback beach-books when I was ten-years-old. My point is, The Punisher isn't a creative or unique character.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    You know what else would be awesome?

    by Colonel Activity

    A movie about "Shazzang!", that TV Funhouse sketch based off the old Hanna-Barbara cartoon "Shazzan!" You know, where the genie sadistically tortures the jewel thief. Look it up on YouTube. It wouldn't make a good movie, I just wanted to tell people how much I think it kicks ass!

  • May 16, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Top 10 for an HBO or Showtime Original Series

    by superninja

    It is basically Hill Street Blues but with gods, robots and superheroes.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Colonel Activity

    by superninja

    You are right about Punisher. He's only interesting juxtaposed with the freaks around him trying to escape execution. Travolta would've worked better if he was dressed in his Battlefield Earth gear.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST


    by superninja

    Charlize Theron has had too much plastic surgery and has ruined her looks.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    My respect for Tom Jane jumped 10 fold

    by DOGSOUP

    What a ballsy move exiting a picture you don't believe in. We now know it will be crap.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    re: Travolta in The Punisher

    by Colonel Activity

    Too true, Superninja. An eight-foot dreadlocked Travolta would have ruled. "While you were still learning to spell your name, I was being trained, to CONQUER GALAXIES!" Awesome.

  • May 16, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Karl Rove as M.O.D.O.K.

    by Colonel Activity

    in the Iron Man sequel. You know that MC Rove could pull it off. *shudder*

  • May 16, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    I second your Top Ten idea superninja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Sweet. What did you think of The Forty Niners?

  • May 16, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    A question of tone.

    by Eioclides

    This most recent Punisher arc, while not the best suited for a film, had a small subplot with the Punisher breaking up a home-ran child porn ring, one page in particular sent chills up my spine. I think getting Garth Ennis to write this kind of Punisher script would catapult the character eons ahead of the tired "familial revenge movie" plot and really get into what the Punisher has become over the years, a machine for...well...punishment. Here's the page I was referring to (though it may have lost some of its effect without the preceeding pages.)

  • May 16, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Wayne Kramer

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Whoever, sorry can't remember nor do I care to scroll up and see, suggested him as a director was spot on. I really thought Running Scared deserved all the praise it garnered. <P>Eioclides is 100% correct. It is a question of tone. That page had an effect on me as well and hence my previous comment about the look and feel of the MAX series. Made me think of Vachss' books right there. They (LionsGate) have a myriad of dark possibilities with this character. If only LionsGate had vision. <P>I see where superninja is coming from about the Punisher not being interesting, but I like the simplicity of the character. Probably makes me a simpleton for finding that interesting. Revenge. Justice. A little sprinkling of honor. Simple concepts. Hence the MAX line. Hard to swallow for some but topical at times. I digress.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    There was nothing wrong with the first Punisher...

    by MechaTruffautMk2

    Man, that was not a bad movie at all. It wasn't fantastic, but it definately had a good vibe going on. Thomas Jane was awesome, the action was actually pretty brutal when it wanted it to be, but I don't considerate that a pre-req anyway for action scenes being bad-ass - it's all about the energy of it, not the gore, and the energy comes from the (I think) really nice set up of how much Travolta and his gang deserve to bite it at Frank's hands. I kind of liked his friends, too. I thought the movie all around had a certain heart to it. I don't know. I kind of saw it as a remake of Mad Max, except that movie is all set-up and the killing/revenge comes at the very end, while in this one the killing comes early and the revenge takes a while to get going. I'd say it's really better than Mad Max, in many ways, aside from the car action in that one: otherwise, the direction, performances, etc. Anyway, well...just one man's opinion.

  • May 16, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I think TJ should have a TB also

    by Namorita

    Can Mr. Jane be granted TB status so we can get this all out in the open - Heck maybe we can get a real group of Film makers to take this property off of Lionsgate's hands and make a proper kick ass film! Much Respect for Mr. Jane!

  • May 16, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    There was a Punisher movie?

    by corvette63

    To have a sequel there has to have been a first one right? Next you'll tell me they're making a Spawn 2 or something.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    The "friends" in the first movie...

    by Colonel Activity

    stupid and pointless, alot like trying to defend Jerry Falwell's legacy. ZING!

  • May 16, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    RE: Wayne Kramer

    by Neo Zeed

    Yep. HeWhoCannotBeNamed I was the poster who suggested him and I agree that he could make a kickass Punisher film. That movie had the action and gritty feel that Punisher needs.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Re: Colonel - Never read the updated comic series...

    by MechaTruffautMk2

    ...but weren't those characters, the fat guy, mousy waitress, and computer geek kind of dude from those same comics that it seems everybody wishes the film took more from? People are never happy.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Didn't care...

    by Colonel Activity

    I didn't care that Flash Thompson played virtually no role in the Spider-Man films, so I don't care about the dipshit neighbors. I don't subscribe to any jackass mythos.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Neo Zeed

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed


  • May 16, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by Neo Zeed


  • May 16, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nope. That's the Marvel Knights Punisher. Most on this board are talking about the MAX Punisher. Gritty and Hardcore. No "funny/silly" shit. Yes, I enjoyed Ennis' first two Marvel Knights runs, but the MAX series is the shit. The good kind of shit, that is. I think those characters worked fine in the comic but just didn't gel in the flick. I was happy with both Punisher films but thought P2 could be a whole new level of bad ass. There's a clever script out there somewhere.....

  • May 16, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    So what do you talkbackers think about John Dahl

    by Neo Zeed

    directing? According to he is the frontrunner to direct. whaddup?

  • May 16, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    John Dahl

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Red Rock West was the proverbial shit. I enjoyed Rounders more than I should have. <P>Dahl. Hill. Kramer. Mann is a fantasy director - I don't see how/why he would choose to direct a Punisher flick. Despite all the naysayers, Miami Vice was one of my favorite films last year. I thought Collateral was tight. I get frustrated when I hear the gripes, but to each his own. I hate Michael Bay films, millions feel otherwise. To each his own. Of those four directors, I'd take any of them. Hill first, Kramer second. However, I'm one of those annoying pricks who say it's all about the script. Strong script first, then bring in a strong director with vision for this type of project. Maybe then Jane would reprise the role he fills so very well.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    The reason Punisher 1 was in Tampa.

    by Deathpool

    Might have been discussed elsewhere already in this talkback, but in case no one did, the Punisher movie wouldn't have been made if it wasn't in Tampa. They didn't have a lot of money, and it was far cheaper to do it there than anywhere else.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I was fine with it being in Tampa

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I accepted that technical liberty. NYC for the sequel would have been tight. Ryker's Island. etc. etc.

  • May 16, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST


    by Colonel Activity

    as a guy from the Twin Cities, I must say, "What a shit-hole."

  • May 16, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Dolph's Punisher was shot in Australia

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    masquerading as NYC.....

  • May 16, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    Dammit messi

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I just poured my Scotch, the movie is qued up, the wife and daughter are asleep. It's Munich time. I will report back. Not that it matters, but I will anyway.

  • May 16, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I think it needs a different direction

    by RobMota

    I think the Punisher needs a different look for the screen. Something like Sin City or the 300. It needs that type of style. The Punisher just does not work in a regular film setting. It needs to be over the top. Violent, bloody and full of action. Stop trying to make it an action flick and just make it a comic book on film.

  • May 16, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I would love it. Mann would be perfect and I would love him to jump on board and skyrocket the quality of a Punisher flick. I meant fantasy in my terms. Cuaron would be great. Can you imagine a Cuaron directed MAX Punisher? Look who I'm asking; of course messi can imagine it. After Children of Men, Cuaron can direct anything in my book. I'll keep singing the praises about that film. Get used to it guys/gals. It's been ages since a film has had that strong of an effect (or is it affect?, I am never sure and definately not a wordsmith) on me. <P>Vision is key, but anytime I say that, some asshole calls me an elitist pretentious prick. Excuse the fuck out of me for loving cinema and expecting more. Rant, rant, whine, whine. I hate to say it, but I'd rather not have Scorsese involved. Just my opinion. <P>Enough of this, off to watch Munich.

  • May 16, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Lets cut the fucking shit Marvel

    by StevieRhine

    Make a "Marvel Zombies" movie directed by George Romero, Tom Jane can return for that, how bout it?

  • May 16, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Just wait

    by StevieRhine

    Wait until they finally release a new Captain America movie, you want to see a giant hunk of steaming Aardvark shit, that will be it. just thinking about it gives me heartburn. Good move Jane, stay as far away from that douchebag Arad as you possibly can

  • May 16, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    The alien symbiote

    by StevieRhine

    It has to cry at least 17 times during the movie though, Arad says so

  • May 16, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST


    by StevieRhine

    never again........never say such atrocities again, they have a word for saying that kind of shit.......blasphemy. However, considering Arad is such a flaming douchebag, i wouldnt put it past him

  • May 16, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST


    by StevieRhine

    i had a free original Spider-Man 3 movie poster at home that i got for free from my buddy who works at the theater. After i saw the movie though i went home and immediately urinated on it

  • May 16, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by StevieRhine

    not at all, 50 Cent needs to just fade into oblivion never to be seen or heard from again

  • May 16, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by StevieRhine

    not to mention it would end up being like one of those Bacardi and Coke commercials, maybe they can get Joel Shumacher to direct it right after they hire him for Spider-Man 4

  • May 16, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    How cool would this have been...

    by JetJaguar

    "Coming Summer 1980: Walter Hill's THE PUNISHER, starring James Remar." Same DP as The Warriors! Same "You are going to die" synth/funk-rock music! Imagine the fucking trailer! Michael Beck as a random cop! David Patrick Kelly as....a scumbag! In a parallel universe somewhere, people are watching this!

  • May 16, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Michael Mann

    by Neo Zeed

    I feel he's a fantasy choice. Even though he made Miami Vice he still has that "prestigious tag" to protect. I seriously doubt he would follow up MV (which bombed)with a sequel to a movie that sucked twice already. It's probably gonna be a guy whose been around but not A-list or oscar nominated (with something to prove.)

  • May 16, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    whatever happend to making

    by huggerorange

    whatever happend to making the movie more like the warzone punisher comic? With Microchip and the badass weaponry and gadgets?Eventhough Thomas Jane is cool-especially in the kickass movie Thursday,I think the Dolph Lundgren version was better than his. Itd be cool if T. Jane could return with a better version of the punisher... maybe theyll write a script he cant refuse.

  • May 16, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    I dont see why they dont get

    by huggerorange

    I dont see why they dont get dolph lundgren again for another punisher movie. Hes not doing anything but making more crappy russian specialist/red scorpion movies that no one ever rents.

  • May 17, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    I could see

    by the darkman

    Tony Scott directing the Punisher 2. I think he could make a very cool movie based on the Punisher. As long as he cut the shit with all the jump cuts, and got back to the basics. Walter Hill would be very good if he would do it, but they would have to rewrite the script, and get Jane back on board. If Lions Gate makes it on the cheap then forget it. It wil complete trash.

  • May 17, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    yea but i liked it before

    by huggerorange

    yea but i liked it before punisher blew him away, before they made a whole conspiracy out of it.

  • May 17, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Deja vu was a cool movie

    by huggerorange

    Deja vu was a cool movie

  • May 17, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    True, creatively Mann is not above it...

    by Neo Zeed

    Garth Ennis' comics have been better than his last couple of movies. But I don't see Mann taking that kinda risk. Nolan took Batman because 1. It was still early in his career ala Bryan Singer (a stab at instant mega-mainstream success) 2. Batman is a huge name to both geeks and non-geeks worldwide. Even that shitty Batman and Robin movie made like 100 mil. The Punisher? Not so much. It's why Spielberg won't make a flick not based on a novel these days. Or why Ridley won't make sci-fi again. It just the buisness. Once you get like 10 flicks under your belt and reach that Oscar peak, guys like that don't take risks on risky franchises. They strive to be critic proof.

  • May 17, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    The Punisher became a hit on DVD.

    by Quake II

    That's why a second one was given the greenlight. Jane made the Punisher movie worth watching. The final action sequence was great, but too short. It was soooo close to being the comic book Punisher (knife in the mouth, merciless killing at close range etc). Oh well. It may happen still. Jane may be lured back by some fresh writing blood and more money.

  • May 17, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Munich was great. I get it. I see it. Good eye on you. Off to bed. More tomorrow/today.

  • May 17, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Tin Tin is an acclaimed comic strip

    by Neo Zeed

    which makes it acceptable to critics and has fantastical themes that can appeal to mainstream audiences and families. In Hollywood terms it's a good, solid choice for his career. (Not that I give a shit mind you... but the biz is the biz.) Munich is drenched in historical events that make it thematically "prestigious." Mann did make Miami Vice. This is true. It has been the butt of many jokes & parodies throughout the years. Even Mann didn't want to do it until Jamie Foxx convinced him. However it is a special case because 1. It was a groundbreaking Emmy award winning televsion show (and they made sure to remind America of this fact before the release of the film. Over and over again) 2. It was Michael Mann's show (as producer) So he had a personal connection to the material. 3. It still has more positive name recognition than the Punisher. Even when it bombed people said that it should've been more like the show. In a way Miami Vice was like Ang Lee's Hulk. In that he took something that he believed people might percieve as cheesy and made it artsy. However he didn't do a superhero flick, but rather his own creation (like with Heat/LA Takedown). Old A-list directors like Mann don't touch superheros. Even if they think it's cool. It's why even though Spielberg thinks Transformers is cool (as per his video thing on the net) he passed it onto Micheal Bay. He'll produce it... but he won't direct it.

  • May 17, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST

    I'm sure Mann is a smart dude

    by Neo Zeed

    However, If I were a producer I'd rather keep my options open than hope for a Speilberg, Mann, Alfonso Cuarón, or Fincher. These guys' agents have likely seen these comic projects float across their desks and advise them not to take it. Perhaps certain producers of comic book films are not aiming low in terms of directors but rather only aiming for the top tier directors. It's all they have on the brain. It's all about whose super hot now. That becomes a problem when they pass. But then you've got a guy like Walter Hill, or Wayne Kramer and they probably go like "who?" or "what's he done lately" or "whatever" But when their desparate, it's time to shoot, and they can't think of anybody.... they'll get some newbie who can't direct like Jonathan Hensleigh or David Goyer. They can probably talk a good game, especially to a newbie producer who only knows about movies from the last five years. These former scribes probably have a lot of practice at talking from pitching scripts to big budget producers. But when it's time to direct, their inexperience shows through. Nevertheless, I'm actually surprised that this time around they're considering a guy like John Dahl. He can handle decent action (Joy Ride & The Great Raid). And he understands crime and film noir (Rounders, Red Rock West, The Last Seduction) I'd much prefer Walter Hill (yes even after Wild Bill and Supernova lol) but considering that Dahl is a hell of a solid choice without "heat" behind his name...well color me pleasantly surprised. In fact if Dahl rewrites the script and makes it an hard eged R-rated flick...Tom Jane might have to take a second look.

  • May 17, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Oh no!!! I better call someone who gives a shit!

    by Orionsangels

    Puh-fucking-please! Who cares! When is a fucking damn good movie coming out???

  • May 17, 2007, 5:59 a.m. CST

    You guys are killing me

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Let's get Mann and Jane up in this TB. Then we can coerce them into doing this project. Demand a solid script with a minimalist score and a hard R rating. <P>This isn't higbrow entertainment Orionsangels, it's straight up revenge/vengeance cinema. Let's not get carried away. Check out the post count and see who cares. This character/franchise has tons of potentiality. LionsGate is just too afraid to see it or do something about it. Apparently a good, solid script is a risky option these days in Hollywood. Why isn't Marvel demanding more quality from those who handle their IPs? Nevermind.......

  • May 17, 2007, 6 a.m. CST

    Blade was considered a risk

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Was it not? Sure you had the somewhat bankable vampire angle, but it was a surprise hit. And a hit for good reason as far as I am concerned. Why not treat Frank Castle the same way? Learn from your mistakes and do a little polling/research.

  • May 17, 2007, 6:02 a.m. CST

    When your lead actor walks

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    due to script quality or lack thereof, that should spark something "upstairs". Unless all you are thinking about is money instead of quality....

  • May 17, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    2 Straight 2 Video

    by Spandau Belly

    that's how it's going down!

  • May 17, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    No matter what your feelings

    by dravin

    No matter what your feelings are on the Punisher as a film this is bad news. This guy LOVED being Frank Castle that is no secret and he was probably the only guy out there actually fighting to make the movie we as fans wanted to see. It's a mother fucken shame.

  • May 17, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Thomas Jane please play Jack Kerouac

    by aquaman99

    He's got no guns. He's far from an action hero. Do something different, put on the "Raging Bull" weight. Pretend you are a drunk angry beat generation writer!

  • May 17, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Damn. You said it. True. Too true.

  • May 17, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Jane should be Captain America

    by skrapps

    I personally thought the first punisher movie was done ok. i mean you can clearly see the workings of a S.h.i.e.ld agent, when castle turns saint against his own crew and family. but... since he's leaving punisher behind.. maybe he should try and get in for captain america. i think he could pull it off.

  • May 17, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Is Jane related to Christopher Lambert?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    They always reminded me of each other. Looky here and tell me I'm wrong. Of course I'm right.<p>

  • May 17, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    If they don't have anyone to direct, I'll do it.


    You're welcome.

  • May 17, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Watch dsarrio's Punisher 2 Teaser

    by firewhale

    It rocks pretty hard. Nice job, dude. And I'd take a Tom Jane Q&A over Walter B in a second...make this shit happen!

  • May 17, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Did I read his rambling note correctly??

    by Executor

    Thomas Jane's pulling out of the movie cause someone wouldn't sell him a Fatburger at 2am??? Goddamn!! Someone get Thomas Jane a Fatburger so he's happy with the movie again.

  • May 17, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Damn Jane is cool

    by Dapper Swindler

    If what he says here is even remotely true, he sure cares about the character far more than we could ever hope an actor to care. Sure much more than Ian "Galactus Who?" Gruffod.

  • May 17, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    and for the record

    by Neo Zeed

    I'd actually rather have Walter Hill over Mann, Cuarón, etc. Just in case my last post made it sound like he was lesser goods. He would be everything that Punisher part one tried to be and failed. A modern day action/crime movie, with revenge themes, AND western undertones? It's what the man specializes in fer cryin' out loud. Maybe Lionsgate couldn't get a decent budget together or something.

  • May 17, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I should call messi!

    by Orionsangels

    Dials (Tute! Tute! Tute!) That's the dialing sound by the way. Hold up it's ringing talkbackers. I know I know you're all as excited as me (Riiiiing!) (Riiiiing!) Hello? Yeah is messi home? Who is this by the way? 'His mom.' Ok mom could you call him. 'cleani! will you call your 36 year old brother who's in the basement that someones on the phone for me' What's the sound? 'oh messi tripped over his punisher memoriable.' Oh lol! (clicky!)

  • May 17, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST


    by stonex77

    i think Guillermo del toro would be the best director for the punisher, dark gritty, action packed, bloody violence(hellboy, blade 2) does anyone agree with this? no matter he's tyhe perfect director for this movie.

  • May 18, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST


    by Tarl_Cabot

    Thomas Jane is the MF Punisher!

  • May 18, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    The Great Silence

    by CuervoJones


  • May 18, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Man On Fire

    by Masked Avenger

    I've always thought the Denzel Washington movie "Man on Fire" was the movie "The Punisher" should've been. "The Punisher" movie was not very good, it's a bad sign when people tell you with a straight face, "The Dolph Lundgren version was better."

  • May 18, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Captain America

    by Drexl Spivey

    Mentioned above, Jane would make a perfect Captain America. Love to see it, although it's only a 25% chance Marvel will do it right these days. Simon Baker would've made a good DD (even played a blind lawyer on tv). As for Lionsgate's Punisher - - get Uwe bol, hire a wrestler, blow some stuff up, make $12.50 opening weekend. Eat shit. Die.

  • May 18, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    The new Hollywood formula quoted from Drexl Spivey:

    by Darksider

    "Get Uwe Bol, hire a wrestler, blow some stuff up, make $12.50 opening weekend. Eat shit. Die."

  • May 18, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by colematthews

    That is the best new swear I have heard in a long time. "spoon" now tops "tard" and "stick" as my new favorite fuck modifier. Thanks, messi.

  • May 18, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    some one wrote a letter

    by Napoleon Park

    about quitting his job, and that's been AICN's "top story" all week? <p> No, AICN's top story is the missing talkback no one's supposed to mention. <p> Someone tell Mr. Arquette that when he's ready to look for a job Frank Miller's looking for a Spirit.

  • May 18, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Munich was good, but...

    by lynxpro would have been better had Michael Mann directed it. The commando scene screamed out for Mann to do better. Hell, say what you will about the cinematic *Miami Vice* but you can't take away from the climactic shootout scene.

  • May 18, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Don't be a Drop Out

    by thebearovingian

    Stay in school, kids.

  • May 19, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST


    by slowgraffiti

    I've got your sunglasses. Write me.

  • May 19, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Whenever I see the Lion's Gate tag on a trailer....

    by Zipperhead

    .....I know the movie is going to suck ass.

  • May 19, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Yes, the popsicle came from the comic...

    by The Cable Nazi

    But in the same story he fed gangsters to polar bears. You won't find that in a Punisher movie.

  • May 19, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    add a pixel to the JOKER's picture!

    by skynetbauxi

  • May 19, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    hire Norrington to direct...

    by lynxpro

    Sure, everyone online has a full-on robot stiffy for Del Torro and swear up and down that Blade2 was better than the first, but I totally disagree. Norrington made a near perfect action flick that launched a franchise. It also seemed like it was taking place in the real world too. Get Norrington for directing duties and team him back up with Goyer doing the Final Draft duties in his Mac lab.

  • May 20, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST



    I loved Thomas Jane as The Punisher. And I will be so bold to say that I actually enjoyed both movie versions of the vigilante. I just hope that whoever they get to replace him, can do it justice. And as for the planned sequel villain, Jigsaw, can they really go that route anymore now that the Saw series pretty much sunk it's teeth into that moniker? I know that the Punisher's arch villain came years before. Also, I know that Lion's Gate owns both, but could it still work?

  • May 20, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Dominic Purcell for Punisher

    by Boondock Devil

    That's only if Jane really doesn't come back to the role. I'm also all for Walter Hill to direct this movie but lynxpro has a good point... Norrington would be great to get behind a camera again.

  • May 20, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    The Punisher

    by Damer1

    deserves better than Thomas Jayne

  • May 21, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Marvel isn't dishing out licenses...

    by Beadyeyes

    They are bankrolling the movies now. Look at the new Hulk film. I believe Marvel is putting the money behind it for a better share of the profits. Arad mentioned this awhile back. I believe Lionsgate owns the license for the Punisher but it wouldn't surprise me if Arad is calling the shots here.

  • May 21, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    You gotta respect Thomas Jane. Not only was THURSDAY one of the greatest undiscovered action thriller movie gems that I've ever seen (check it out, you will NOT be disappointed!!!) but he ruled in THE PUNISHER. Being a major fan of the comics currently done by the mighty Garth Ennis, I really hoped the sequel would go the Ennis way (funny as fuck and demented - where everyone else draws the line, that's where Ennis starts) but if Jane wants to walk away, more power to him. <P>Lionsgate have let the success of the SAW trilogy go to their heads. That's gonna bite 'em in the ass... just ask New Line around the time of Freddy 6 or whatever.<P> Jane, we can't wait for MUTANT CHRONICLES, and maybe one day you'll get to make that P2 with Walter Hill. 'Til then, keep it real. <P> STANDER is a magnificent achievement. You should all go watch it. NOW!!!

  • May 21, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    This sucks. Jane was great as the Punisher.

    by Walterego

    I don't want a new guy especially if it involves an "origin" movie. I hate hate hate Origin movies. I already know how the chracter came to be if I read the comic book. Seeing the same story again and again is boring. Watching a new actor would be a real problem because the Punisher doesn't really have a costume. Any actor can play Batman, or Superman, or the Crow, or Cyclops, or Spawn, because they have a "uniform" to put on. The punisher just has that insignia on his chest, and doesn't even have that on most of the time. He doesn't have a cape or mask, so I identify the actor more closely with the character. Replacing Jane would be like replacing Snipes as Blade or Stewart as Prof. X.

  • May 22, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.......

    by Moon_Knight

    Well they killed off Captain America and now The Punisher has been dealt a fatal blow. Walter Hill would have owned this film as a director and jane could have been great again. Jane could have had his talents unleashed in a hardcore way. Especially if they threw out the first film and gave it a urban setting. But no!!!!!!! Lionsgate is hell bent on sucking the life out of this Iconic character. They misjudged how many people love the Punisher and gave him a low budget and a hack named Hensleigh. Awful. God Bless you Thomas Jane, you did more than anyone could have asked for and you made a character despite a worthless script and a inexperienced director. Your the man and Stander is one of the coolest flicks ever. Peace.

  • June 6, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Thomas Jane pulling out of P2 project.

    by CazcadeCarter

    I am a punisher fan I was one of the fans waiting for P1 to be released and you know what people should not be so hard on comic book character movies. I think in this case P1 was soooo much better then that punisher flick they made in the 80's with the guy from rocky playing frank castle now that one sucked. I think with better script and better villain the punisher 2 could be a damn good action flick. No explaining just straight to the slugs.

  • June 24, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    a matter of fact

    by capt.castle

    Like previously said below the popcicle incident came from the book(Punisher Warzone #1). If you read the punisher at all the comic is not that dark. actually you barely get a sense of what Frank is thinking asisde the two or three word sentence. I agree some scenes come off campy but the movie was still very good and held a lot of key elements from the comic. What I dont understand is why a script is so hard to come by. this movie is not a difficult theme he only had a few real foes worth mentioning the others were just pimps thugs and drug dealers. Ofcourse there are the major crime sendicates he takes down. Occansioanly it led back to Kingpin. The problem is that people are just to picky. But lets all remember first comic movies have a tendancy to be over done and dry due the fact that all characters must be introduced but as Frank said in the movie and many times throughout the pages of his marvel career Frank Castle is dead he died with his family. which means movie 2 is all punisher. That being said I believe movie 2 will be a huge success.

  • Aug. 19, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    by bkaya

    tom janes a stupid old fuck