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Climb Aboard HOBBITon's Director-Go-Round!! More Names For Your Weekend Consideration, Pontification, And Bewilderment!!

Merrick here...
Earlier this week, we posted a message from Checkyr. He told us that Peter Weir was being approached to direct THE HOBBIT…more or less concurrently with efforts to bring Sam Raimi aboard. In that posting, we indicated Checkyr was an untried source, and that his “information” should be taken with a “grain of salt”. It should be noted that (to the best of my knowledge) we haven’t heard back from anyone refuting Checkyr’s assertion…nor have we fully confirmed it. Which means, we should approach the following while sucking on the same grains of salt… Checkyr wrote back with a few more details about THE HOBBIT’s search for a director, offering-up the names of other folks The Powers That Be would approach should both Raimi and Weir fall through. Checkyr emphasizes that THESE DIRECTORS HAVE NOT BEEN APPROACHED AT THIS TIME – they may never be approached should Raimi or Weir sign on. This is simply a “a hit list”, if you will. A “wish list”. Here are the names in the order they were given to us. I’m unclear if the order of these names indicates a level of preference, or if they were thrown at us randomly. I tried to follow-up with Checkyr about this via e-mail, but he did not respond.
STEPHEN SOMMERS. He’s always struck me as Uwe Boll on steroids, although I don’t recall disliking any Uwe Boll film as much as I disliked VAN HELSING. I love the design of his movies, I love the way they’re shot. I love the spirit he’s trying to go for. But, I just can’t get away from the feeling of reckless self-indulgence his movies convey. No matter how Geeky-cool they may be in principle, I sense smarm oozing from every one of them.
MICHAEL BAY. I’ don’t hate Michael Bay movies. In fact, I really kinda like them (the jury is still out on TRANSFORMERS – I’ve yet to see it). This said, I don’t think Michael would be right for this particular project. Too....much. On a side note, I respectfully disagree with the recent Talkback sentiments that Michael Bay would’ve fucked up DIE HARD 4. With Bay, at least we’d be assured some level of gusto and bravado (which the title “DIE HARD” inherently demands). I’m not convinced Wiseman will bring this to the equation.
BRAD SILBERLING. Because...SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS knocked it so far out of the park? I did like some of its style and visual elements, but never bought into the characters or their universe. I enjoyed looking at it, but I didn’t live in it. And, finally…
BILL CONDON (DREAMGIRLS, GODS AND MONSTERS). A completely “out of left field” option that actually makes some level of sense. He has bag loads of visual flare & an accessible sense of character.
So... One common thread in all of these directors is that (presuming this list is legit), all of the directors we’ve heard about thus far (Raimi and Weir included) tend to be heavy on aesthetic and design, and most tend to direct with flair and energy. Only two of them (Bay and Sommers) could be seen as flimsy in the character department. So, there you have it. All we can do now is sit back, see where this goes, and gab about it in the Talkbacks below. Again, a grain of salt...


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  • May 11, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Fine, I'll direct it

    by chrth

    But be prepared for the entire book to make it into the movie. THE ENTIRE BOOK!

  • May 11, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise didn't make the list?

    by MonteCristo

    What kind of sick depraved world are we living in?

  • May 11, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    That link is.....

    by Aslans Chewing Gum


  • May 11, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    This is the biggest load of shit EVER!

    by Abin Sur

    Michael Bay?!?!? To even suggest that someone thought of that is fucking insanity!

  • May 11, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Horrible Hobbits: A Michael Bay film.

    by MonteCristo

    Horrible Hobbits Horrible Hobbits Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they jump on you? Horrible Hobbits Horrible Hobbits Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they jump on you?

  • May 11, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    And Merrick...

    by Abin Sur

    You TOTALLY lost me at "I don’t recall disliking any Uwe Boll film as much as I disliked VAN HELSING." Merrick, do you sell your weed by the ounce? Because if you're thinking that about Uwe, you definitely need to hook me up with your shit, my friend.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Leonard Nimoys Bilbo Baggins

    by Fernwick_

    Dude, I heard that like 20 years ago on Dr Demento. I had no idea there was a video. LOL

  • May 11, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    ... a vote for chrth as director!


    ... entire book! HELL YES!!! (eternal glory to thee who posts first and does not say so!)

  • May 11, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I though Demon Dave was Uwe Boll on steroids...?


    ... after all they both challenge their critics to wrestling/boxing matches...

  • May 11, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    There is one problem......

    by emeraldboy

    Smaug the Dragon. All efforts to bring Dragons to life on the big screen have always look cool but nothing more. if Smaug looks in any way crap. The usual suspects will be up in arms, no matter who makes this film. The script will be the first thing to be shredded. then the actors. then the predictable this film will suck messages will appear. the negative campaigning will start.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Hey, I wanna be screenwriter!

    by MonteCristo

    I've got a screenplay that copies the book word-for-word!!

  • May 11, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Fake Muppet Show

    by Fernwick_

    This is actually funnier then hell.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Guillermo del Toro

    by kikuchiyoboy


  • May 11, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    ...a second vote for chrth to direct this!

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...entire book! Including table of contents - frontspiece - copyright information - etc.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    What do you mean second vote!

    by Onomaki Forp

    I voted once! Your vote doesn't count too!

  • May 11, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Just because I am currently bi-located...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...does not mean we both don't get to vote!

  • May 11, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    That was a terrible list.

    by rbatty024

    Stick to Peter Weir and Raimi. Although Raimi's films strike me as a little manic-depressive (in a good way) so I'm not sure he would fit as well as Weir. Although I'd be happy to see him try.

  • May 11, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I always thought you were bi...

    by Onomaki Forp


  • May 11, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    After his fine fantasy work on Harry Potter

    by skimn

    and his masterly, yet subtle use of digital effects, why not Alfonso Cuaron?

  • May 11, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Stop talking to yourself!!!

    by Onomaki Forp

    Or your gonna get us bi-banned!!!

  • May 11, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    fuck new line

    by Sedgehog

    have they no idea about what made the rings trilogy what it is? Peter Jackson and his team. I am thinking they would need to recast Gandalf as McKellen wouldnt do it if Jackson wasnt back. So if they recast most of the big roles, whats the point. People wont see it as more of the same. Would WETA do the effects? Would Alan Lee and John Howe do the creative design? Would Richard Taylor and his merry men make the visuals? I think not. SO we would end up with the Hobbit. But it would be like a new setting, unconnected to the trilogy, which I feel, the majority of people would not see as being connected and if they see it feel duped that it wasnt in line with the trilogy. So New Line can fuck right off until they realise who made them all the money. Cos they didnt do it themselves. When do the rights revert back to Saul Zsantz-pants so we can get a Jackson led Hobbit film on the go. That is the only way to make it work, FUCK NEW LINE

  • May 11, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    ...alright 'forp...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...God your a bitch when we're drunk...

  • May 11, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    3 of the 4 make some sense

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    But Bay? Does his name just get tossed around with every big budget property? Personally I would want Weir as the first choice. Screw Raimi, I don't care if he didn't like Venom or not, he made horrible decisions with Spiderman 3, I think he has just gotten lazy and has stopped trying with all the money he pulls in. Honestly, would you rather have a Hobbit movie that looks and feels like Master and Commander or one that looks slightly askew and bizarre with rapid zoom ins and one dimensional bad guys who pop out of nowhere. Personally my choice for The Hobbit? Frickin' Guillermo Del Toro, that dude could make a Hobbit that is both iconic, fantasy, a children's tale, and yet eerily scary all at the same time.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Also, I think Jackson would totally approve Weir

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I remember seeing an interview, or reading something where he talked about his huge love for M&C, and since Weir is Australian, you know he wouldn't have a problem going back to New Zealand, while Raimi would probably try to film the thing in Central Park or the Hollywood Hills, bah! Weir can do it, give it to him, please!

  • May 11, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Damn. The above exchange would have...


    ...made alot more (non) sense if both windows hadn't switched to 'forp after the first post... I guess to make that kind of sillyness work we'll need two computers and a really fast swivel chair...

  • May 11, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Hey Monkeybutt

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I think he was being sarcastic, do you know what sarcasm is?

  • May 11, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Does anybody remember Jackson's fucked up ideas?

    by MonteCristo

    There's some people (myself included) who would rather not have him as the director of the Hobbit. We want something like the original SW trilogy, not dark and foreboding like the LOTR trilogy...and that's the direction PJ was going to take. We don't want "eerily scary" in our "Hobbit". We want the Hobbit to be an epic PG movie, like those late '70s and early '80s PG movies that defined childhood for some kids. Not no LOTR 4!!!

  • May 11, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Peter Weir would definetely

    by Sedgehog

    Peter Weir would definetely give it the time and love it deserves. He did a fantastic job with M&C but what these films need is someone in control that is an expert at micromanaging and budgeting. Fuck if Raimi did the Hobbit up to standards of the trilogy, what would it cost? $400m??? As much as I loved what was done in Spidey despite the flaws, where the hell did that supposed $258m go? He really needs to get his head out of the clouds and remember how to make a film on a budget and THEN make another spidey. Budgets are spiralling like mad, so The Hobbit would likely cost a huge amount and need people who know how to use every dollar to the full.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    other than chrth...


    ...Guillermo del Toro, John Boorman, Terry Gilliam, Jean-Pierre Juenet, Takashi Miike (don't of the most versatile directors on the planet), and to go *completely* mental... David Lynch.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I like the Weir idea a lot.

    by CatVutt

    'Witness' is still probably one of my favorite films. I'd love to see what he'd do with it.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    ...eerily scary?...


    ... a whole forest full of giant spiders?, Riddles in the Dark?, Trolls into Stone?, Smaug! how could it not be scary?

  • May 11, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay??? Good God In Heaven.

    by Cameron1

    Chekyr must be fucking with you. I'd JUST, JUST about be sort of curious as to what Condon would do but if any of the others were signed up the film would be dead to me. And who the fuck would have Sommers on a list but not Verbinski? Idiots or people pranking the site, that's who.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I can think of better choices

    by 11dayempire

    Like Cuaron and del Toro. Why the hell aren't they on the list? Or Matthew Vaughn? Or - random thought here - Dave McKean? MirrorMask was bloody good.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by BrooseTheScharuk

    This is starting to feel more and more like a "property" looking for "viable candidates" to "nurture" it through to a "satisfactory fiscal performance", or words to that effect. The only name that has appealed to me so far is Peter Weir. I would also like to add Nicholas Roeg, who is as serious and highly regarded a filmmaker as Weir, but also made The Witches, which (witch?) was a great children's film, with a lot of heart and depth, as well as a very precocious, English tone (which The Hobbit HAS to have). I also like the idea of Alfonso Cuaron, but my suspicion is that he would turn it down. Gilliam would just make a mess of it trying to shoehorn some non-existant dystopian, anti-bureaucratic themes into it (he makes a mess of movies where those themes are appropriate, for that matter) not to mention that it would likely just become another battleground between him and "the suits". I am not even going to honour the names mentioned above, the list is so depressing and WRONGHEADED!! LOTR was a magical moment in cinema history where indy filmmaking sensibilities joined with megabuck studio clout to show us how fantasy films COULD be. If that ever happens again (which I doubt) it won't be with The Hobbit. The way things look at the moment, I couldn't care less if it gets made or not. Maybe if they started playing again with the idea of making it into a cable miniseries (Ian McKellen suggested this a few years back) and found a competent director to manage that, I might get a little excited.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST


    by kikuchiyoboy

    So I could the scene where Bilbo snorts coke.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Spielberg. Why the fuck not?

    by Cameron1

    Aside from his fee, and possibly not wanting to direct something that would gives him a run for the money in the publicity stakes. He'd be just tremendous for it. And I'm not Spileberg fanatic, he's made some real shit, but it's a perfect marriage of director and material.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    are they bloody JOKING!!!?????!!!

    by pipergates

    put any of those hacks on the hobbit and youre all fishfood you new line stupid crapheads!!!!

  • May 11, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Marc Forster

    by kikuchiyoboy

    I didn't care for Stranger Than Fiction, but finding neverland had a wondeful touch of whimsy and reality.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Grain? More like a salt lick.

    by morGoth

    May the Vala preserve us...MICHAEL BAY?!! I can see it now..."We need Smaug to explode over Lake Town then another underwater explosion! Then have the Dwarves fire their rocket launchers from inside Erebor! Then Beorn flies in dropping honey-bear bombs (yes, the old exploding Pooh-bear Honey-pot bombs...that'll show that tiny black rain cloud!). Geez, when will this end? I'll tell ya when...when New Line and Bob Shaye get their respective heads outta their respective bums and hire PJ...that's when.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by NachoNegro

    Surely Alfonso Cuaron is the obvious choice. He has delivered the best Harry Potter film so far BY A FUCKING MILE. He has the visual aesthetics, he has genre experience. And most importantly, he was not afraid to hack up the book and deliver a self contained film that made tonal sense, rather than a bitched up montage of filmed word for word sequences from the books. This approach is going to be needed for the Hobbit - not least because a lot in the book just won't work on the screen (particularly when compared to LOTR). Surely Cuaron is the obvious choice. I don't have a problem with Del Toro, and I'm sure he'd do it, but Cuaron is surely the obvious choice. As for Sommers, that guy couldn't direct traffic. He has no business being anywhere near a property like this.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    to be fair

    by pipergates

    i admire bay as an action movie director, condon is not a hack but doesnt sound right for this either, but as for the rest madonna puttana!why not put doctor franken-boll on it just as well.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    chrth--another vote for you

    by Bloo

    go for it, Table of Contents, Tolkien's letter to the readers at the beginning explaining wht hobbits are, copyright info, everything, I love it! many geeks visit this website,lets take a collection buy the rights, we'll all be credited as producers and you know what that menas, wink wink say no more, say no more<P>if chrth can't do it, well then fine, let me cast a vote for Curan as well don't cruficy me on this...JOE JOHNSTON...knows how to handle coming of age material well, which is really what the Hobbit is, bilbo growing up and becoming the man...err hobbit his Tookness requires of him, (see Oct. Sky for Johnston's work on that) and Johnston knows how to handle SFX (JP 3-while a crap film had really good SFX). he brings a Spielbergian quality to his films, being an AD (or was it DP) for the 'Burg, and frankly wouldn't bring the baggage (as in geek reactions) a Rami or Bay would.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Grain? More like the Pacific Ocean drained of its water

    by newc0253

    and only the salt is left. Steven Sommers? Michael Bay? I'm sorry, Merrick, you seem like a smart guy so how can you post this shit? Indeed, how could any sane person believe that Sommers or Bay would be on anyone's "wish list" to direct the Hobbit?

  • May 11, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Merrick, mate...

    by Jakes Nel

    Really, put in some effort and check your source. Because this smells like bullshit on toast.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    no PJ no WETA no WETA no Hobbit

    by Evil Hobbit

    I like the Weir Spielberg or Alfonso suggestions though. Specially Alfonso.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    chrth...don't let being a new dad stop ya...


    ...Peter Jackson had his kids running around all over the set...

  • May 11, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by Kid Z

    ... If this list of potential directors is any guide (and it is), I'm assuming no one here is going to go see this inevitable turd? I know I won't!

  • May 11, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Sounds like a Bob Shaye list...

    by TheWumpus

    I mean, before he knocked it out of the park, Peter Jackson was seen as an odd choice for LOTR. Then you've got Chris Weitz on the Golden Compass. Bob has always had offbeat choices for matching directors to films...This list does not surprise me at all.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Uwe Bolle Presents.........

    by liljuniorbrown

    BloodRayne3: Rise of the Hobbitt. Starring Micheal Madsen as the Hobbit.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Curon, del Toro, Spielberg...


    ...all good for getting into the "child's -mind" mentality needed for this... as does Miike (see all his films not just extreme horror, hell PJ did extreme horror before LOTR), ... if we could get Clive Barker to direct again - but he's too busy writing his own epic adventure novels...

  • May 11, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    si nacho, Quaron es el indicado

    by pipergates

    not only does he have a very cool last name but he's got soul, he's a great storyteller and a great visual artist, he's shoved us he can manage the continuity of a style already established in the previous Potter film, and improve on them,and he has that touch of subliminal magick that the Hobbit more than any story really needs. Not to be Mexican-fixated but Del Toro would also be great, he really impressed and surprised me with his finesse on Pan's. i only worry he would go a touch too gory for the Hobbit. As did Jackson on a few ocasions in Lotr...

  • May 11, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    somebody wanted "bright and happy" PG epic for kids?..


    ... how about P. J. Hogan?

  • May 11, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    For all the complaining people do about Raimi

    by Zorak5

    He's still one of the most competant commercial directors around, regardless of your view of Spider-Man 3. When I think of how much worse we could do, how utterly horrific it could be, going from Peter Jackson to Sam Raimi doesn't sound bad at all to me.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by coolhanderik

    How can you say you disagree about Bay doing a shitty job with Die Hard 4. BRUCE FUCKING WILLIS SAID MICHAEL BAY WOULD OF RUINED IT. Doesn't he know what he's talking about? I mean, not that he's worked with Bay before, or has knowledge of the Die Hard movies or anything.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Peter Weir...

    by jimmy rabbitte really the best choice; but would he be willing to do it? If Michael Bay (somehow) does it... I'll never see it. The camera style of Armageddon and Pearl Harbor don't say "Middle Earth" to me.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    if michael bay directs The Hobbit

    by BadMrWonka

    this site's servers will literally explode. <p>if chrth directs, can I be DP? I just won a contest up here in seattle for a short I did, I get a front page write-up in the seattle times, and it gets screened at SIFF!

  • May 11, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    This is all hogwash

    by jimmy_009

    None of those names are legitimate considerations.They're just random directors pulled out of a hat.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay?!?!?!?!?


    If New Line fires Peter Jackson for Michael Bay I will personally burn New Line to the ground.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Oh man...Del Toro would be fantastic.

    by NubtheSquirrel

    Seriously. He has the right visual flair and would be an appropriate director for The Hobbit for sure.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Bay should stick to commercials and music vids.

    by Barry Egan

    He creates pretty pictures and has no feel whatsoever for story or character.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Nobody on this list is worth a damn...except Weir.

    by latrodectus

    His take on The Hobbit might be interesting. Del Toro would seem a good choice too and one I've not heard mentioned before. He could bring a lot to this. The thing of it is -- without P. Jackson's involvement this project just SHOULD NOT go forward and New Line should have the good sense to shitcan it outright. They almost certainly won't though -- Shaye seems as belligerent as he is greedy and the clock is ticking. So -- here's another name to think about and one of the very few filmmakers out there that I believe could handle the job: John Boorman. He tried and failed to get a live-action LOTR off the ground prior to Excalibur and obviously had a passion for Tolkien -- so give the man his just desserts now. And hurry, he ain't getting any younger.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST


    by livingwater

    or..........pick a new person.........hold back for a few years.........

  • May 11, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    What about Tom Tykwer?

    by DerLanghaarige

    Now THAT would be interesting!

  • May 11, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    What about Johnathan Fraks?

    by bythehairofsanjaya

    He's the one should direct this. He's hairy and rotund.

  • May 11, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I really like Michael Bay's stuff

    by newc0253

    except for Pearl Harbor, that was just shit. But the idea of Michael Bay directing Tolkien makes about as much sense as him directing the next Merchant Ivory production.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    The only reason to have Michael Bay direct THE HOBBIT:

    by SpyGuy

    The resulting "The Hobbit Sucked...and I Miss You" type of song by Trey Parker and Matt Stone that inspires them to to a TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE sequel. Otherwise, shoot this idea down faster than the second-week box office receipts for TRANSFORMERS...

  • May 11, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Terry Gilliam! Ugh!

    by brianroberts101

    I know this is all speculation and not even really rumor, but PLEASE God, please, God, pelase, God, please: Don't let Gilliam near The Hobbit. He's not a fit. He just isn't. Granted, I don't have the fanboy love for him, but I have enjoyed some of his work. The fact remains that his work just lacks the focus and mainstream commercial appeal that PJ brought to the table with LOTR. "He was the worst, most untalented of the Pythons and he's the worst suggestion for The Hobbit." (That's my slogan)

  • May 11, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I meant "please, God"

    by brianroberts101

    not pelase, obviously.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by brianroberts101

    ...was not always focused, either...especially in Towers and Return, but my slogan still stands.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Bay's name means they are fucking with the TBers

    by performingmonkey

    They are just fucking with us throwing Bay and Uwe Boll's names into the mix. They know what an uproar that would cause because along with Ratner and Anderson they're a fucking inside joke. Bay directing would be as painful as watching your best friend fuck your mother whilst he eats out your wife and fistfucks your sister with his other hand on your cock. Not good. Boll would be worse - like being forced to watch conjoined twins sucking each other off.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Um, no. Just... no. What about Frank Darabont?

    by brokentusk

    None of those directors are right for THE HOBBIT. This isn't me trying to point out the brilliance of Peter Jackson, this is me pointing out the utter stupidity of hiring any of those other "meh" directors. If Peter Jackson is not going to be directing THE HOBBIT, they need to find someone better than those guys - someone like Frank Darabont, or Alfonso Cuaron.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    yeh they are fucking around.....

    by Seph_J

    ... Raimi would be nice..... but PJ is of course essential.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    AICN version

    by Bloo

    ok we've got a director, chrth, Wonka's our DP, I'll be producing or at least I'll be the Publist as I work in both newspaper, lets see, Harry for Bilbo? hehehehehehehe ok I got my Harry is fat joke out of the way, but I'm still standing by Joe Johnston if we can't get our version off the ground

  • May 11, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I humbly accept the opportunity to direct this

    by chrth

    In order to fuck with everyone's mind, I will be filming the original book.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I could get behind Silberling.

    by GrantChastain

    That's an interesting choice, and even though Lemony Snicket wasn't a home run, it was easily a standup double through the gap. Visually it was very interesting and I wouldn't have any problem whatsoever with that news.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Bring on Shawn Levy!

    by epitone

    With Ben Stiller as Bilbo, Christopher Walken as Gandalf, Owen Wilson as Gollum and Sacha Baron Cohen as the voice of the dragon. Oh, and Eddie Murphy can play all the trolls.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST


    by mattyholmes

    I would see it epitone. Just to see how wacky it would turn out.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    How About John Waters?

    by Fargin Bastage

    The Hobbit would be pretty messed up with him directing. I'd pay cash money to see that. "I'm Bilbo Baggins and I've got the itch!"

  • May 11, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Where's Paul W. S.?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Come on, where is he? Oh, sorry - they're saving him for "The Hobbit vs. the Mummy"

  • May 11, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    or at least weta should be in on this. what is wrong with the executives?

  • May 11, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Why not Spike Lee?

    by glodene

    And you can have Ice Cube and DJ Pooh collaborate on the script, thus re-igniting the magic of the days of yore when they concocted that urban masterpiece "Friday"...Afterall, Ice Cube has a decent relationship with New Line.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    You know who could possibly rock?

    by hktelemacher

    Neil Jordan. When he's good, he's damn good and I think the names that need to be tossed around for this need to be a little classier. Just because Peter Jackson came from a splatter background and pulled off the transition doesn't mean American commercial comic book style action directors should automatically be tossed into the mix. If that list is really comprised of names that are being considered that's a gigantic indication of what kind of flick New Line wants. I myself wish Russ Meyer were still alive for this one.

  • May 11, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Neil Jordan - VERY cool idea hktelemacher...

    by brokentusk

    THE COMPANY OF WOLVES has such a strong fantasy look and feel to it. Honestly never even considered him, but he'd be great.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Close it out with Richard Marquand..

    by Baron Karza

    Why the fuck not Ewoks, trolls n shit.. whatever. Ankle this project please.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    or Alan Smithee the fucker..

    by Baron Karza

    If there is a creative mind drain that will unleash an embarrassment to the autor.. its the only way to save face.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Neil Jordan not strong enough visually

    by Calico Pete

    Did you see Interview With A Vampire? Too visually low-key. Too atmospherically low-key. The Hobbit needs someone who can imbue a very strong mood. I know many aren't fans of the Rankin-Bass animamted version, but if it had anything going for it, it was the feel of the thing. So warm, cozy, yet alien. Like a cold shiver on a warm night. George Miller can give us this. If you haven't seen Babe 2 Pig In the City, it is the best embodiment of what the Hobbit should be like. It's got a strong visual style, it captures the darkness of the best fairy tales, it's got poetic surreal moments, it's got moments that capture beauty, and a wonder. The whole "Thank you, Thelonius" segment was brilliant, beautiful, and scary. Like The Hobbit should be.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by ludmir88

    ano6ther brainless film? thank you

  • May 11, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by ludmir88

    ano6ther brainless film? thank you :(

  • May 11, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay does

    by veritasses

    pie in the sky, big scale, quick cut, flashy, mindless flicks. He doesn't do intimate, character driven, quiet, relationship, "pan the camera and see and appreciate the details in the beautiful background" stuff. Sommers stuff is low grade, cornball fluff suitable for kids and teens. Silberling's work I don't know much about except for Lemony Snicket and I thought that the movie was boring as heck (though maybe not entirely his fault). Condon's got talent and is the best choice among the four but I don't think his style is right for the job. In a weird way, I'd be real curious to see how Crazy Mel Gibson would do... I actually think he'd do a good job. Too bad he's crazy and has all that baggage surrounding him.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay?!?! Stephen Sommers?!?!?!

    by Ninja_Master

    This better be a fucking joke. Why are these asshats even allowed to work? Let alone be considered for the Hobbit. This has got to be some strategy to get Raimi; "Sam, either you make it, or we'll fucking destroy it".

  • May 11, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    And michael bay says that ...

    by ludmir88

    this is a little talkback in his almost selfish site!!!

  • May 11, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Oh, and as far as this list goes, Bay's the second best

    by JackPumpkinhead

    That's true and you know it. By the way, for a second I thought it was "Peter Webber" there. (Yeah, I wouldn't normally recognize his name, either, but recently I survived fast-forwarding through some parts of "Hannibal Rising")

  • May 11, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Niel Jordan and George Miller

    by Bloo

    wow two names I hadn't even considered...very interesting choices. I'm espically digging the George Miller...ok we give Hobbit to Miller and put Johnston on voyage of the dawn treader

  • May 11, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Damn you Wonka!!!


    ... for calling chrth's DP first! OK chrth directs, Wonka's DP, greeekhammer edits, what's left for me? actually...all my credits are in front of the camers... I wanna play an orc! or I guess they're called Goblins in this one... Yeah, maybe even the Great Goblin! No CGI! Full-on makeup like Robert picardo used to suffer in when he was in every Joe Dante film... I'll put up with the clautrophia of getting my face plastered - really chrth I can do this with ya - Haven't worked in the industry in years - but i've got film!

  • May 11, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by stvnhthr

    He could do it justice. Series of Unfortunate Events did not recieve the attention it deserved. I panned it at the theatre but fell in love with it on DVD.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Call Bullshit on that! Lame shortlist of choices

    by KillaKane

    Judging by those risible alternative choices they're going for a souless commercial behemoth of an adaptation. What happened to the rights reverting back to this property?! For fecks sake do it right and employ a director with some artistic integrity, hand it over to the likes of Cuaron, Scott, Twyker, Boyle or Del Torro they'll certainly do it justice. Still holding out for PJ.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit movie...

    by Reznik

    I hate to say this but I personally would not like to see a Hobbit movie... Its my favorite story out of the series. I must have read the book from front to back about 7 times. LOTR by Pete Jackson and the Weta workshop were fantastic films. As far as a Hobbit movie... I dont know what problem New Line has with Jackson but they should really iron it out. If this movie is made by another director and a different production / effects company(s) It wont fit with the LOTR series we have now... It'll be like the black sheep. No Ian Holm no Ian Mckellan. Sean Connery as Gandalf? ah hell. I really wish Jackson had followed up LOTR with the Hobbit instead of (while a decent movie) King Kong. Yeah it might have been a bit monotinous but it would be a matching prequel with the same heart and look of the others. I'm not complaining... I'm just mildly bummed out about this prospect. Cheers

  • May 11, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    ENGLISH director needed

    by livingwater

    it definately needs an ENGLISH director, or a French one, like Jean-Pierre Jeunet. IMO they should wait and give it to someone new and talented.

  • May 11, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by livingwater

    .........that could be interesting...........

  • May 11, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    How 'bout Sofia Coppola, huh?

    by Rakafraker

    A friend of mine suggested it, and it just sounded right. She is fantastic at period pieces, and whimsy isn't foriegn to her. As long as she doesn't include anything contemporary (like music or clothing/accesories). Think about it. Kinda makes sense, huh? (Plus the French HATE her, so she can't be all bad, right?)

  • May 11, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson, if you are reading this...

    by melanarus

    you are the only one who can make this movie and bring back everyone who worked on lotr with you. They won't make half as much with tickets, dvds and merchandise without you and everyone from the lotr trilogy. It' funny how Bob Shaye's intials are B.S. I wouldn't put it past him and New Line to plant this post along with the others about the director to see who all these idiot geeks are getting excited about.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    You can't discredit Neil Jordan because of

    by hktelemacher

    Interview with the Vampire. That movie wasn't supposed to have a Tolkien world look. Jordan's visuals for Company of Wolves and (even though they aren't strong movies they looked great) In Dreams and High Spirits show he can do the mingle of high fantasy and real world design. To see Jordan allowed to really go balls out with a complete fantasy design would be great. George Miller's a decent enough choice, I personally don't think he's got it in the tone department, but I think Jordan gets a leg up on him in the writing department, In Dreams and High Spirits notwithstanding. This is all, of course, coming from a guy who's only a casual LOTR/Tolkien fan and has no personal investment in the Hobbit material. I believe Neil Jordan could have the same quality of charged images that Jackson had but done in a more languid and classical fashion. On top of which, Jordan does tension very well. All of which would really suit the material.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    another name I just thought of

    by hktelemacher

    Anthony Minghella. I'm not a huge fan of his, but he did start out writing those Jim Henson's Storyteller episodes for HBO. While none of his features really support an entrance into the material, he could probably do a nice job with it making it a truly composed film. Minghella and Jordan are directors who I think have a more natural match with the spirit of the book. Visuals are a huge focus in these discussions, but I think their story sensibilities link up as well. I love me some Sam Raimi, but I think his overall direction and a big part of his charm is just how scatterbrained his movies are. I don't think it'll be a good match. A lot of directors have the visual chops but seem completely inappropriate - like Jeunet, or Christophe Gans or even Guillermo Del Toro. New Line has to recruit someone who can make a well rounded movie. The fans are going to demand something timeless and you don't go to Stephen Sommers for that shit.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    For all the whining about Bay...

    by victor laszlo you realize the bad joke Sommers would turn it into? At least Bay's joke would be funny. 'Unfortunate Events' had lifeless eyes, like a doll's eyes... Condon doesn't interest me. Weir is the most promising/interesting choice, but without WETA, the actors, and the rest of the world PJ built --- this is nothing but a terrible idea. JAckon fucked a lot up in LOTR, but he got so much right that no one else is qualified without his blessing and support. This is almost as bad an idea as a 4th Indiana Jones movie, and that's saying something...

  • May 11, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Agreeing with Abin Sur

    by Archr5

    Granted I don't think Stephen Sommers is an epic director or anything but holy shit worse than Uwe Boll? more to the point, you're saying that House of the Dead was more satisfying to watch than Van Helsing? This little gem was so unbelievable I had to actually register an account to hopefully get some clarification about it.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Jeunet edits quickly intentionally

    by livingwater

    it is style: it doesn't mean every Jeunet film is the same. Alien Resurrection has a very very different style than A Very Long Engagement.

  • May 11, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    why are people surprised by thiese names?

    by slappy jones

    this is the same studio that gave us son of the mask and dumb and dumberer...this is the same studio that failed to see the world was laughing AT them with snakes on a plane ...not with them....they are not the smartest studio in the world

  • May 11, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    how about hiring the guy that's faking this news?

    by BadMrWonka

    he could direct the Hobbit, he seems to be adept at manipulating chubby hairy guys...<p>just kidding guys, I love ya!

  • May 11, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I'm going to add to the chorus...

    by zb.brox

    Guillermo Del Toro.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST



    If you have to replace PJ, this man screams EPIC AND CHARACTER!

  • May 11, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I agree: Ridley Scott!

    by odysseus

    Though Kingdom of Heaven is a snore (yes, even the Director's Cut).

  • May 11, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    hahahahaha Michael Bay presents the Hobbit!

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    That would be hilarious in the most depressing way. And I would take the Underworld guy over Bay any day of the week. Anyway this is all irrelevant fuck the Hobbit without PJ. Cant say I'm too interested in it anyway seeing how we already have LOTR.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Robert Shaye sucks.

    by riskebiz

    The only reason it is NOT Peter Jackson Robert Shaye's miserly screwing around with not paying Peter Jackson what is owed him and NOT opening the books for an audit. Robert Shaye is a greedy little sh!thead and he is going to personally f*@k up the Hobbit for his own bank account.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Robert Shaye sucks.

    by riskebiz

    The only reason it is NOT Peter Jackson Robert Shaye's miserly screwing around with not paying Peter Jackson what is owed him and NOT opening the books for an audit. Robert Shaye is a greedy little sh!thead and he is going to personally f*@k up the Hobbit for his own bank account.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by riskebiz

    That's what I think.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by livingwater

    WAKE UP. Peter Jackson is NOT Tolkien. This is great content and doesn't need one particular director or another hogging it all, anymore than Potter needed one director directing that series. Seriously. Get a grip.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay is not a bad director

    by CuervoJones

    He´s not a real director.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    All Robert Shaye's fault.

    by riskebiz

    Yep. Pay Peter Jackson what is owed and open up New Line's books to an audit (which is what the bone of contention is). You've obviously screwed Peter Jackson out of what is owed and rather than face up to it, you're greedily trying to get the Hobbit in the bank without considering the HUGE and likely backlash against you're idiotic smiting of Peter Jackson. Ya ought to be fired from your board of directors.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Guillermo Del Toro's THE HOBBIT would rock

    by Monkey_King

    He's a true visionary and respects the source material.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (snore?)


    WHOA odysseus! The director's cut is pure Gold...! I'm sure it'll grow on you... <p> But yea, RIDLEY SCOTT, he can definitely handle the scale of the hobbit..

  • May 11, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    MCG and Pitof

    by kikuchiyoboy

    should join Stephen Sommers on a tiny little deserted island.

  • May 11, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I guess Jim Jarmusch turned them down?

    by minderbinder

    Lars von Trier?

  • May 11, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    "Mouse Hunt's" Verbinski or "The Fly's" Cronenberg

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Verbinski has a wonderful look in that film. Small in scope but has an epic feling. It has a nice family film without being condescending. <br> <br> Cronenberg has wonderful eye for detail and can unravel a story like no body's business. It would be interesting to see him tackle something like this.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I have a new vision for my work *pass hand over closed

    by chrth

    eyes*<p> The Hobbit will be reworked to be an urban tale. The Dwarves will be White, but Bilbo and Gandalf will be Black. The Wood Elves will be Korean, which will make Bilbo's out-smarting of them even keener. Smaug will be renamed Dawg.<p> But to piss off Spike Lee, Bard will remain White and thus the White Man will still get all the credit for defeating Dawg.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Lars would be awesome!

    by kikuchiyoboy

    The budget would be a nickel. All you'd need is a sony digital8 and a crayola. Somehow we need to get Bjork to work with him again so she could play all the parts. She would be a wonderful Bilbo.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Cronenberg too "cold" for the Shire...


    ... I suggested Lynch because with The Straight Story he proved he had a heart. Also compare Straight's relationship with "The Road" to Bilbo's...

  • May 11, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    chrth! I really do got film!


    wanna see?

  • May 11, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Ahhh. That's Keen observation there.

    by kikuchiyoboy

    But Cronenberg can be a little lighthearted every once and a while. It's just usually before the character pukes onto someones hand, or kicks their throat in.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Plus Lynch can give a sense of OVERWELMING EVIL...

    by PROF IKAMONO simple household objects. Imagine what he could do with the Ring of Power?

  • May 11, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    George Lucas!!!!

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Hee hee. <br> <br> Now I gotta get back to work.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    but all that's moot...


    ... 'cause chrth's our autuer! Samuel L. Jackson as Gandalf!

  • May 11, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    on second thought...


    Morgan Freeman IS Black Gandalf.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Freeman as Gandalf is GENIUS!

    by kikuchiyoboy


  • May 11, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Surely it should be JOHN WOO

    by performingmonkey

    Speaking of him, how's that He-Man movie coming on?

  • May 11, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Only one post whining about how only Jackson can do it.

    by Ringwearer9

    Soon Jackson will be forgotten utterly. As he deserves! So happy.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Quentin Tarantino&RobertRodguiez Present GRINDHOBBIT...

    by Buzz Maverik

    In the first section, PLANET GOLLUM, Smeagol uses his ring to fend off/eat goblins. Dr. Gandalf has a collection of elf testicles, and El Rond never misses with his sword. Also, Arwyn gets a battleaxe prosthesis to replace a leg infected by Smaug. In RING PROOF, aging Stuntman Bilbo stalks Ori, Gori, Gimli and Thorin Oakenshield in a bar before turning invisible and running over them with Shadowfax.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Aardman Animations?

    by kikuchiyoboy


  • May 11, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    aww ringwearer welcome to this talkcback

    by Bloo

    it was only a matter of I personally like jackson for gnadalf "you're a theif a M****F***ING THEIF you hear me"...and he did play god on the new audio bible with all the african american actors on it...

  • May 11, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    OMG! Peter Weir IS the right choice, just remember.....

    by Jack_Crap

    The New Zealand scenery and Ian McKellen as Gandalf are the 2 most crucial elements in this prequel. Peter Jackson will be missed but someone as talented (and underrated) as Peter Weir could do a great job given the same production design team to bring out the same fantastical feel as the trilogy. The distant ocean scenery in Master & Commander. The mysterious jungle in Mosquito Coast. The serene Ammish town in Witness. Weir knows his stuff.

  • May 11, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    After Hackson's ass-raping of the source material...

    by Atticus Finch

    of LOTR, I hope he doesn't come within a continent of making The Hobbit. I want to see The Hobbit, not LOTR 4. Christ, the two-part movie he was throwing around gave me the dry-heaves just thinking about it! Besides, with Tolkien as your starting point, it would be almost impossible to fuck up (although Hackson came damn close by throwing in his "interpretations)).

  • May 11, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    this is a cultural heritage we are talking about

    by pipergates

    people should be prosecuted for just mentioning "the Hobbit" together with the names of those so-called "directors".

  • May 11, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    David Lynch, Anthony Minghella, Neil Jordan...

    by Calico Pete

    Prof Ikamono, you're right. Lynch's ability to give a sense of impending evil weighing things down would've been great for the LOTR trilogy. PJ didn't come close to that and IMO if the series missed anything, it was that. For The Hobbit, I'd want the Lynch that gave us The Straight Story + Blue Velvet (which showed a sunny world w/a dark underbelly). However, there are better choices. I like the Minghella option suggested by hktelemacher. The Storyteller had some beauty to it. Thing is, Minghella only wrote it I think. I don't believe he directed any of them. As for Neil Jordan... I don't know... I wasn't impressed by In the Company of Wolves either visually, or in any way really. When I heard about it I was excited by the concept, but it didn't hold up in execution. And I wasn't in suspense during The Crying Game. Jordan's a solid director, but look, if you're going just with visuals and mood, and say you're into the George Miller option, how about Julie Taymor? What she did with Titus was amazing. It was beautiful and thrilling, and I don't often say that about Shakespeare films. She's extremely inventive on the visual front, and inventive in how she tells her stories. I just saw her production of The Magic Flute, and though I'm not a fan of opera in general, managed to enjoy myself. That's a feat I credit the director with (though Mozart may've had something to do with it too).

  • May 11, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Give me a break, Lynch is a talented MTV director

    by Jack_Crap

    LOTR is not his style. I don't mean to insult him by calling him a "talented MTV director" because I really do dig some of his movies, but he is about the quick cuts, low attention span transitions. He's the kind of director you appreciate a lot more when you're young and learn you may have overrated him as you get older. Not the kind of director you want to hand a film that needs a "historical epic feel" in the mold of David Lean.

  • May 11, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Jack_Crap "quick cuts?"...


    ...Lynch has been known to linger on things for hours...

  • May 11, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    @Jack_Crap, I think you're confusing David Lynch

    by comedian_x

    with someone else. Lynch is the antithesis of a MTV director. Perhaps you're confusing his name with David Fincher -- but he doesn't do quick cuts either. <p> So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

  • May 11, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Bugsy Malone, right?


    ...which one of those li'l scamps was you, anchorite?

  • May 11, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    My bad, you're right, David mix-up

    by Jack_Crap

    Sorry about that. Thinking of David Fincher. I blame the hangover from having to read endless internet fanboy one after the next suck this guy's crank. If I have to hear one more person put him on the God pedestal because they liked Fight Club.... geez. I agree with David LYNCH. And dare I say, DUNE, very underrated. :-o I mention that movie because it's probably about as close in scope as he's ever gotten to something like this. Just please don't give us the same cop-out with The Hobbit and have every character's inner thoughts voiced over because you can't think of any other original way to transfer the novel to motion picture.

  • May 11, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    You say Turtletaub? I say Simon West?

    by kikuchiyoboy

    Nothing beats the multiple death ending of a Mr. Malkovich. Hee hee. I wonder he was thinking when he read that scene. "...and then it ends with your head being squashed like a melon."

  • May 11, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Well... if we're going to get silly about it...


    ...French and Saunders have already proven themselves with the material: <p> <p> Kindly remember to close the gaps...

  • May 11, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by Jonny_Dr_Thunder

    This video is the creepiest thing ever, Merrick, thanks a lot for ensuring that Leonard Nimoy will be haunting my dreams all damn weekend. <br> <br> In other news: If Stephen Sommers gets this film, I'll start the petition against it. Anybody wanna sign it with me?

  • May 11, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    lotsa avid farts

  • May 11, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    lotsa walking and talking

  • May 11, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    lotsa weeping

  • May 11, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    A period piece

  • May 11, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    Holla to ya dragon!

  • May 11, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    How about Joss Whedon?

    by glodene

    Great visual style; Writes hellafied dialogue and he can cast that little guy who played Johnathan to play Bilbo. That would be the shit. Y'ALL KNOW DIS TO BE DA TRUTH RUTH! RECOGNIZE!

  • May 11, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    the series!

  • May 11, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    "Dario Argento's The Hobbit (El Hobbitini)"

    by Doctor_Sin

    A black-gloved killer stalks the Shire...A mysterious diary...A magic ring...WHO WILL BE THE NEXT TO DIE???

  • May 11, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Hayao Miyaki's The Hobbit

    by Jack_Crap

    Bilbo Baggins is suddenly a 13-year-old girl! :-o

  • May 11, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    i wish i could proofread

    by Jack_Crap

    MiyzZaki wonder Bruce Willis was so pissed at dudes who made fun of his typos

  • May 11, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    This news

    by Mr Chuff

    is a load of wank. AICN has been fucked in the bot-bot again....

  • May 11, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith's The Hobbit

    by Jack_Crap

    Silent Bob as Gimli? The dwarves smoke dope at the entrance to Mt. Doom as Bilbo braves the dragon?

  • May 11, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    Some of them are heroes to me.

  • May 11, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    there will be a twist

  • May 11, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    a 14 year old hobbit is like, 38 in human years.

  • May 11, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

  • May 11, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    John Singletary's Hobbit

    by Jack_Crap

    Bilbo is black.

  • May 11, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    2.5 hours, songs, gaiety. Okay, I'm finished for now. Had to get it out of my system.

  • May 11, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

  • May 11, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    51 of your favorite soft rock hits, set to film.

  • May 11, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    it starts in the beginning of your childhood.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Werner Herzog's Grizzly Hobbit

    by Cameron1

    wherein a psycho Hobbit thinks his destiny is to hang around with Dwarves. Eventually they eat him.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Ang Lee's Brokeback Misty Mountain

    by Cameron1

    all those men camping out for months on end must lead somewhere.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Brian DePalma's The Hobbit

    by Jack_Crap

    Perhaps a decent film but no doubt rips off a famous scene from a 1940's classic somewhere.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Tim Burton's The Hobbit

    by Jack_Crap

    Middle Earth never looked so black, hair-sprayed, and claymationed.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    I love Peter Weir, however

    by CherryValance

    I won't be going to a Hobbit movie directed by anyone other than Peter Jackson.

  • May 11, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    i still NEED jackson

    by mattythelionheart

    it cant go on without him. fuck raimi. fuck bay. fuck sommers and the rest of em. weir is creative, but the film wouldnt feel like its from the same universe as LOTR. im sorry that im a die hard Middle Earth geek, but id protest the hobbit outside the theater if it goes through without jackson.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Michael Moore's The Hobbit

    by Jack_Crap

    I always knew Gandalf was a corporate shill for the Republican Party.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Definitely Cuaron

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    C'mon, the guy is a master of road movies, and The Hobbit, even more than LoTR, its one hell of a road movie. He also nails it when it comes to portray bands of pals interacting, scapes, old and wise hippies.. I mean, everything The Hobbit is about. Jesus, can you imagine a non-stop take sequence of Bilbo's infiltrating Smaug's lair?

  • May 11, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Frank Capra's "It's a Wonderful Hobbit"

    by Doctor_Sin

    Bilbo wishes he'd never been born and Gollum loses the Goblin Bank's money.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Orson Welles' "Citizen Bilbo" - Smaug is the sled!

    by Doctor_Sin

  • May 11, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Weir or bust

    by Razorback

    Weir is the only one of those who would do the story any justice.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by DrDestructo

    It has to be Cuaron. Talkback over.

  • May 11, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    "My Big Fat Greek Hobbit"

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Eating Third Breakfast is old Greek tradition!"

  • May 11, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Nacho Cerda for the Hobbit!

    by Miller Mortuary

    Don't laugh (ok, maybe a little since it's so left field), but Cerda has a great eye and definately a unique style. I'd pay to see it at least.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Quentin Tarantino...


    ... I mean c'mon all those Hobbit chicks are *barefoot* all the time...

  • May 11, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST


    by silent 1

    These are directors you wouldn't want near middle earth stephen somers is so over the top with his visual effects.

  • May 11, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    mel gibson's The Flagelation Of the Hobbit

    by pipergates

    "the jews are conspiring with Smaug"

  • May 11, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST


    by Forestal

    Donald Trump's rug is in talks to co-star as Gandalf's chest hair....Variety reports

  • May 11, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Guy Ritchie's "Hobbit'd"

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Ya like dags?"<p>"Dags? Oh - trolls...Yeah, I like trolls. I like caravans better."

  • May 12, 2007, midnight CST


    by Reverendz

    Bilbo steals Smaugs treasure to buy smack and Bombor and Bofur do each other with Sting while the audience chants "ASS TO ASS!"

  • May 12, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST

    forget that list - get the director of that Nimoy video

    by oisin5199

    that's some trippy shit!

  • May 12, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I wish Yimou Zhang would have directed LotR.

    by TheNorthlander

    The dude who directed Hero and House of Flying Daggers. Seriously, Peter Jackson did an awsome job, but Yimou Zhang would have made it a little less... Shield-surfy or dwarf-tossy but still beautiful and epic.

  • May 12, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Hobbit-man No. 1 James Brown...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    "all the Hobbits on the left say 'woo-woo"

  • May 12, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Dirty Hobbit...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Do you feel precious? ...Well do ya?

  • May 12, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Reservoir Hobbits

    by jimmy rabbitte

    "wait a minute Gandalf. How come I have to host the unexpected party?<p> ..."cuz yer a faggot"..

  • May 12, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    this talckback has gone down the hobbit-drain

    by pipergates


  • May 12, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Welcome Back, Baggins

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Gabe Kaplan cameos as Frodo and opens the film with a "Did I ever tell you about my Uncle Bilbo" joke.

  • May 12, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST


    by pipergates


  • May 12, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...well it is a bit late... atleast on the East coast. It can (maybe) recover tomorrow.<p> So... Careful With That Ax, Eugene and Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun...

  • May 12, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    yeah i set them but not sure if im following

    by pipergates

    nice anyway

  • May 12, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    I assumed that your TB name was a reference to the Pink Floyd album Piper at the Gates of Dawn.<p> Sorry for the confusion... Careful w/ That Ax & Set the Controls... are Floyd song titles...

  • May 12, 2007, 1:50 a.m. CST

    it is

    by pipergates

    i was actually thinking more about the book they got the name from..but yeah thats my favorite floyd album

  • May 12, 2007, 1:57 a.m. CST

    a classic album named after a classic book

    by pipergates

    in my humble opinion

  • May 12, 2007, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Director: Timur Bekmanbetov

    by palimpsest

    The Russian NIGHT WATCH and DAY WATCH guy.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    If Michael Bay Directs...

    by Redfive!

    I know where New Line Offices are,ill personally go out there and Pickett infront of the studios,start a web site on the subject and do everything in my power to ruin this movie.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST

    If Any Director..

    by Redfive!

    On that List Directs it should be Brad Silbering,Moonlight Mile and Lemony snicks were descent enough that Im sure he could do it.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Anyone thinking that maybe

    by Shivv

    it's time for Peter Jackson to suck it up, come to terms with the fact that New Line is intent on screwing him out of a good deal of money, and make The Hobbit? He'd probably make the same amount doing the movie as he will fighting New Line, it would save him the headache, and he would be doing something good for the fans.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Not that I believe...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...that the list mentioned is accurate, but if there is a smidgen of truth in it, it rests with Condon and none of the others. The reason being the realization that the most irreplacable actor from LOTR is McKellan who, apparently, has said he won't return without Jackson. The studio's response? Hire a director close to McKellan's heart in order to persuade him to come back as Gandalf after all. Therefore, don't be surprised if it turns out that even Bryan Singer and Richard Loncraine are approached for the directing gig.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Would the Hobbit 'splode?

    by nonsensical

    I mean if Bay directed it? Oh, maybe the hobbit and the dragon would 'splode!

  • May 12, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Just to be clear...

    by nonsensical

    If Bay directed this I'm sure something would 'splode!

  • May 12, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST

    why not Harmony Korine?

    by Vern

    My sources tell me this list is bullshit, but Harmony Korine is at the top of New Line's list, followed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, Matthew Barney, Larry Clark, Guy Maddin and whoever did Daddy Day Care.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Anthony Minghella is the only one for the job!

    by GQtaste

    It's Cold Montain w/ a little bit of English Patient w/ little people.

  • May 12, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Beefcake Elves Blowing Shit Up

    by godoffireinhell

    I'd watch Bay's version.

  • May 12, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Shiv would you seriously want to help a studio

    by slappy jones

    who you are pretty sure has ripped you off potentially millions after you delivered them the biggest films if their entire catalogue make more money and potentially be fucked over again. potentially. I just had to get antoehr potentially in there. But I think its the principle...I know I would find it hard to have a working relationship with guys I couldn't trust.

  • May 12, 2007, 5:36 a.m. CST

    oh yeah atticus

    by slappy jones

    You sure could tell jacksons version was going to suck from a flippant throw away comment about what he could do hypothetically with two films. Seriosuly so we are not even waiting for scripots to be written now before we write something off? Just a few sentences of brief ideas..thats all we need...dear god the internets are hilarious....

  • May 12, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST


    by Calico Pete

    you've obviously not seen Lynch's The Straight Story, a beautiful, linear, G-rated film he made for Disney based loosely on a true story. Lynch knows how to play by the rules and when he does he does it better than most other directors. He also knows how to bend them a bit before breaking them.

  • May 12, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Hobbit musical by Julie Taymor

    by Calico Pete

    Now that would be fuckin' A. The puppetry she'd bring to the costumes would be awesome. Bono can write the lyrics. Whoever did te Rankin-Bass music can do it here too!

  • May 12, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    PJ, McKellan, and why the world won't end w/o them.

    by Calico Pete

    Even those of you who liked PJ's films, and I thought they were only ok at best but showed a failure of the imagination in many areas, can admit that the man isn't perfect, and he isn't a perfectly consistent director even in the world of Middle Earth. Right?! Didja like all the LOTR films equally? This talk of boycotting if it ain't Pete in the credits, while flattering to yours truly, is absurd. There ARE better directors than PJ out there. <br><br>Fans of his LOTR, look at his non-LOTR films. Do you still think he's anything more than your (at best) slightly-better-than-average director? I don't think he's made *bad* movies (except for Dead Alive or whatever the zombie/doll thing was called), and while I haven't seen Heavenly Creatures (supposedly his best), I've seen his other work. He is NOT a visionary folks. While he is pretty good at what he does, why not take the opportunity to get a real visionary for the Hobbit? If not a visionary, how about a director with a solid imagination, and ability to bring power to small quiet moments? <br><br>For the record, if PJ had portrayed magic and power more often like he did in the scene where Gandalf wants Bilbo to give him the ring, i.e. w/subtlety, the trilogy would have been a lot better. I really like some of the moments he came up for LOTR. I really like some of the moments he came up with for King Kong. But it's time for him to move on from Middle-Earth and grow as a director in a different sandbox, and it's time for y'all to move on and let someone else have shot at Tolkien. PJ is simply not good enough to go down as this period of history's last word on Tolkien.<br><br>As for McKellan "not coming back" as Gandalf... he's shown himself to be enough of a mercenary (X3 anybody?) to make this doubtful. But even if true, while he was good, there are many actors who can play Gandalf folks. There are many good actors out there who can deal with the complexity of the character (or the "complexity" of the character if you prefer), and the rest is makeup and wardrobe. Got it? Show some imagination for chrissakes and start thinking outside the box.

  • May 12, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST

    All terrible except Weir

    by Laserbrain

    that is all

  • May 12, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST


    by beelkay

    I think it would be pretty cool to have several different versions of movies by different teams/directors who would interpret the same story different ways and bring their own styles to it. A Michael Bay "Hobbit" would definitely be different than a Stephen Spielberg "Hobbit", which would be different than Edgar Wright "Hobbit". Too bad the movies are so expensive...

  • May 12, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST


    by henrydalton

    ahhh, nostalgia...

  • May 12, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    It's not gonna be Sommers

    by Anna Valerious

    Trust me, he has too much on his plate already, and I'm still wanting him to get his ass going on "Magic Kingdom for Sale-SOLD!" and to either direct the next two "Van Helsing" installments...or at least give them to a capable director like Fioria Sigismondi. I'm really iffy about Rob Cohen, though I'm thinking I might be swayed if I check out "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story". So anyway, I don't think he's going to be a good choice for this, even if he does have the right qualifications. (ie, he READS literature and folklore.)

  • May 12, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Calico Pete

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    No offense, but that just might be one of the most off-the-mark posts about PJ that I've read in a long time. That second paragraph of yours actually made me spit morning coffee out of my mouth.<P>No director is perfect. But for a relatively unknown filmmaker from New Zealand who successfully tackled the second most popular book in the world (making 3 of the greatest films of all time which won a total of 17 Oscars) to be labeled as someone who is "NOT a visionary", is simply ludicrous.<P>And if you haven't seen "Heavenly Creatures" or even "Forgotten Silver", then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

  • May 12, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    So, New Line, the fan consensus seems to be...

    by Orbots Commander direct The Hobbit adaptation, the favorites to replace a non-returning Peter Jackson are, in no particular order of importance: Sam Raimi, Peter Weir, Guillermo del Toro, Alfonso Cuaron and George Miller.

  • May 12, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius... and the real PJ problem.

    by Calico Pete

    Ah, but I have seen King Kong, ROTK, TTT, FOTR, The Frighteners, and Braindead/Dead Alive. So how do I not have a leg to stand on? I mean, I've only seen 2/3 of his ouevre, running-time wise. That doesn't give me at least a leg?<br><br>As for the visionary thing: everyone starts as a relative unknown until they become known for some grand achievement. I do agree the LOTR movies are a grand achievement. Marshalling the resources and effort needed for that kind of production is certainly an achievement. But it doesn't make one a visionary. The movies took home a lot of oscars, and made a lot of money. But that doesn't make one a visionary either. Look, George Bush has had a big BIG effect on the world, on the US, and on this period of history, but he's not a visionary either. A visionary is someone who thinks outside the conventions, and succeeds in putting together a vision that most people wouldn't have conceived of. I'm sorry, but PJ's vision of LOTR didn't capture the poetry of Tolkien's world, the beauty between the literal descriptions, the evil of Sauron, or the wonder of magic. His presentation ("vision" if you will) didn't transcend what I could've plucked out of the imagination of any of the millions of fanboys raised on D&D, Wizardry, Ultima, Terry Brooks, etc. Yes, he had moments in there that did. He had MOMENTS of wonder and beauty and fear, but the rest was pedestrian. His presentation of elves was pedestrian. His presentation of wizards was, for the most part, pedestrian. His presentation of orcs/goblins was pedestrian. His Middle-Earth was more or less your typical pedestrian fantasy landscape. Yes, it was all executed well. The production was high-class, grade A, etc etc Yes nobody had the cash to pull that kind of thing off, or the level-headedness to not have a nervous breakdown while doing it, and to come in on-time/budget, etc. Yes, the critics and world went gaga. But face it, and I use this only as an example, in the movies the only thing that separates elves from men is the fact that they have pointy ears, are taller on average, live forever, and speak elvish. I'm not talking about capturing the pedantic histories and mythologies that Tolkien laid out. That isn't my complaint. My complaint is that he didn't capture the wonder that surrounds elves. The men struck dumb at the melody of their voices and the beauty of their souls shining through the physical. PJ gave us D&D elves, nothing more, nothing less. Great. Whoopteedo. Ditto for most other aspects of Middle-Earth. PJ may have been faithful to the literal details, but lost the magic in the greater whole. <br><br>I'd be happy with a director who can find and share the magic of everyday words and images, much less a world born of the imagination of the good professor. PJ is essentially the Jack Black character in King Kong. He's a showman. We need more than that.

  • May 12, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    the one line should have read...

    by Calico Pete

    Yes nobody ELSE BEFORE HIM had the cash to pull that kind of thing off WITH AS BIG A CANVAS, or the level-headedness to not have a nervous breakdown while doing it and to come in on-time/budget, etc.

  • May 12, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    don't you love it when...

    by Calico Pete

    ...talkbackers correct the most inane details of their self-important posts as if doing so is the one thing that will make everyone understand and buy into whatever they're saying? Just sayin'.

  • May 12, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Joel Schumacher!

    by Heresy

    With just a few changes (e.g. renaming the road through Hobbiton 'Castro St' and turning Bag-End into a bathhouse) he can make The Hobbit his own.

  • May 12, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    TomBodet... Change Leopardo!!!


    I thought I was the one who posted Japanese Spider-Man around here! Nevertheless... loved the cowboy... and the fact that his kid in the end is dressed just like him!

  • May 12, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Orbots Commander forgot Julie Taymor

    by Calico Pete

    and Tarsem. Heh heh. I'll never got tired of trumpeting these brave choices! BTW, Nosferatu Jones, bite-sized LOL :)

  • May 12, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST



    ... I think I've seen a bathhouse called Bag-End...

  • May 12, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    "get" tired, I mean. re: orbots & self-correcting ;)

    by Calico Pete

    <em>callback to myself</em>

  • May 12, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Here's the thing about wanting Peter Jackson back.

    by brokentusk

    It isn't necessarily an argument as to whether the man is a "visionary", or whether you consider his LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy to be masterpieces. I, for one, do think he pulled off nearly the impossible and brought to life a universe that felt lived-in and ancient. I think anyone who says that Peter Jackson failed to capture the heart of Tolkien's story doesn't really know what they're talking about. Sure Jackson didn't get everything right, but he got so much of it right that it's hard to imagine a better version of Tolkien's story coming out of Hollywood. Now, the reason people want Peter Jackson to direct THE HOBBIT is not simply because we all think the man is a genius and the only person on the planet who can bring it to life. Rather, we want him to return because we want to go back to HIS filmic vision of Tolkien's world. We want to see how HIS version of the story started. We want it to connect to the sequels that already exist. It is certain that another (talented) director, who is a right match for the material, can indeed make a fantastic film of THE HOBBIT (and it might be refreshing to see someone else's take at the world), a lot of us want Peter Jackson to direct it because we already know he can do a good job, and understands the heart of Tolkien's words. I think it's pretty much set in stone that Jackson won't be returning, I just hope the director they do hire is as passionate about the material as Peter Jackson would be.

  • May 12, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST



    Why not go with his original sources... The Brothers Quay and/or Pierre et Gilles? If we're going in *that* direction why not Francois Ozon? or Bavo Defurne?

  • May 12, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Calico Pete

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Sounds to me like you only think someone is a visionary if they have the same vision that you do. Sure, there are a few things I would have liked PJ to have "phrased" differently. But ultimately, they didn't effect the most important part of the film(s) which was the telling of the story. I (and I'm sure millions of other people) just happen to disagree with you. There were a lot of creative choices to make and a lot of different paths PJ could have chosen. In the end, I feel that we ended up with (more often than not) a great deal more than anyone thought he could pull off.<P>Your comparison to George Bush frightens me. Because by your definition of visionary, George Bush definitely "succeeds in putting together a vision that most people wouldn't have conceived of". MAY THE GODS HELP US.

  • May 12, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You're back! How the Hell did you pull that one off???

  • May 12, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    brokentusk makes an excellent point.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    If PJ doesn't direct "The Hobbit", chances are that all the work by WETA and all the sets and production design (from Hobbiton to Rivendell) will not be available.<P>What is the next director going to do about this? Because there is an element of continuity that I think a lot of people would like to see. And if it all has to be "dreamed up" again, how will it not appear to be a knock-off of something that worked so well before?

  • May 12, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    MNG, I never left, actually...


    ... within a week of my *disappearence* I was back here under the nom de talkback of "Onomaki Forp". <p> During the "Oh my God it's Bruce Willis" frenzy - I found it impossible to sign back in... fearing the worst I decided to re-invent myself under my old name... <p> But in all-caps without the "." after "prof". Thus it's technically *not* the same UserName which of course can no longer be used. <p>I still have the "forp", and will use it when necessary... (or when painfully unnecessary as in my silliness near the beginning of this TB)

  • May 12, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST



    ... or I'm actually time-travelling from *before* I was knocked off here...

  • May 12, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Roger that, PROF.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I was aware that was you under "Onomaki Forp". But now that you're back (more or less) in your original incarnation...rock on!<P>And one must always be careful when time-travelling the AICN Universe. It can be hazardous...

  • May 12, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie!

    by disfigurehead

    That would be cinema at it's best!

  • May 12, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST


    by livingwater

    Get someone new. A new face. A fresh look at the material. The artwork is already there. All Peter did was connect the dots.

  • May 12, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius...

    by Calico Pete

    Quite the opposite. I consider a visionary someone who can show me a vision I HAVEN'T conceived of. Since I played RPGs as a kid and read fantasy books PJ only showed me what was already playing in my head. If that's the best he can do, no offense to me [thanks, none taken], then he's not a visionary. <br><br>As for Bush, pretty much the whole world knew what would happen if he did what he did. He didn't transcend the known, so he isn't -- say it with me kids -- a visionary. He simply succeeded in falling into the same traps of history others had warned him about. Jackson succeeded in bringing us regurgitated meal of what we'd already known from prior incarnations, and frankly if someone doesn't blow my mind as a director then they're not doing part of their job. <br><br>I'm not saying I'm not impressed w/his accomplishment. But I'm not impressed with what he was able to conjure up for his audience. There are many other directors out there who have absolutely stunned my imagination with material much more pedestrian, and I think if one of them had done LOTR (and was able to pull off the massive execution side of it) then there'd be a good chance that all those that *were* impressed with PJ's version would have had their brains jellified by anything MORE passionate, MORE mind-bending, MORE fresh, MORE creative. <br><br>If you CAN'T imagine how anybody could create something MORE, then that's my point. I want someone who can give me MORE than what I can imagine myself, and more than what YOU think is the best too. That's what this material is worthy of. No less. "More than what anybody thought he could pull off" gets an A for effort, but that's it from me. Sorry! (and believe me, I am very sorry I wasn't able to enjoy PJ's LOTR as much as most people seemed to!)

  • May 12, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    to clarify one point i make above...

    by Calico Pete

    I said "if someone doesn't blow my mind as a director then they're not doing part of their job"... I admit that's overblown. <br><br>I should have said "if someone doesn't show me something new and push the boundaries of my imagination, then they're not... [etc]"

  • May 12, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Prof Ikamono...

    by Calico Pete

    Thanks for those director suggestions. I'm familiar w/Ozon, and peripherally w/the Quays. Sounds like I should check out the others. Always looking to expand.

  • May 12, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST


    by livingwater

    or MIKE LEIGH........why not......

  • May 12, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    BTW, Nice Gaius and brokentusk

    by Calico Pete

    I understand the sense of continuity you want back. But tell me please, which specific scenes/section in LOTR were you most impressed with? Which surprised you and were different than how you imagined them? [not being argumentative; I'm genuinely interested in knowing.]

  • May 12, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    It's not worth making without WETA/Jackson

    by Drath

    At this point, a film version of the Hobbit that isn't linked to the LOTR trilogy that was just made, would be pointless. It's pointless from a business sense because you're making the movie as a direct reaction TO the LOTR movies' success. If you're not, and you want to have a new vision for Middle Earth, then frankly making now is a mistake because the audience knows the vision from the trilogy. This movie is being made for the wrong reasons, it will be a bigger misstep than X3 as far as betraying what was set up by earlier films and the goodwill of the franchise's fans (both casual movie goers and crazy fanboys). They need Jackson's involvement at least as far as WETA is concerned and without that they are just being arrogant and egotistical because Jackson isn't rolling over about the finances of the last movie. This movie being made will be a huge anti-climactic bomb and I think it'll take Hollywood another ten years before they realize that it DOESN'T work to ditch the visionary directors for spineless hacks that they can better control.

  • May 12, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Gozu

    That's not meant to be ironic, I think he's a cool director (outside of "I Robot")

  • May 12, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    OK, chrth, here I am

    by Zompar Usilon

    for art direction and storyboards. Hell, never thought that would be so easy. Let's roll!

  • May 12, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I could deffinitely see Weir directing the Hobbit

    by moondoggy2u

    <br>........................<br>At least the camera would be locked down sometimes.

  • May 12, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Bill Condon is a friend of Gandalf...

    by blamblamblam

    Bill Condon is a friend of Sir Ian McKellen (Gandalf) -- they worked together on Gods and Monsters, and Sir Ian came to the premiere of Dreamgirls in London to show support. I imagine if Bill C was directing Hobbit, McKellen would be a lot more likely to get involved -- and thus a lot of other key acting talent might follow. Surely this is a major consideration...

  • May 12, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    brad bird, but live action

    by pipergates

    he's got it

  • May 12, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    how about Peter Jackson?

    by The Only Woj

    really now

  • May 12, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    i think the jackson LOTR purists...

    by Lt. Kaffee

    are hilarious. i would love to see a weir hobbit film and i don't think i'm alone. i think some of you overestimate the general viewing public's opinion on the "purity" of LOTR films. sure, fanboys would be turned off, but if properly marketed, people would wholly embrace a non-jackson hobbit film. as has been stated numerous times, the hobbit is vastly different and should be treated as such in a film adaptation. i cringed reading jackson's plans for the hobbit and am VERY happy he's off the project.

  • May 12, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST



    How the hell you do that!!!

  • May 12, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Cuaron would be perfect

    by oscarmike

    harry potter 3 captured the magical fantasy feel than the first and third LOTR movies ever did.

  • May 12, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Cuaron would be perfect

    by oscarmike

    harry potter 3 captured the magical fantasy feel than the first and third LOTR movies ever did.

  • May 12, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Get Michael Bay, with Shia LeBeouf as Gandalf!

    by J-Dizzle

    Hulk Hogan could play as Gollum, "I want mah precious, brothur"

  • May 12, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by moondoggy2u

    If you want to learn the power, go to the Transformers thread to figure it out--its a bit tricky, but you will get it. Z.B. Brox figured it out after BSB stumbled upon it. <br>........................<br>pretty cool, no?

  • May 12, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Kaffee--I completely agree with you.

    by moondoggy2u

    And just to head off the lemmings, none of us are saying that PJ did a bad job. All we're saying is that PJ did have some flaws (all directors and works do) and they were going to be made very, VERY clear with his ideas for the Hobbit. <br>........................<br>simply put, PJ wanted to do a LOTR prequel, self conscious of what is to follow, and NOT a self contained children's tale.

  • May 12, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    which would be a mistake indeed

    by pipergates

    agree with your assesment of jackson

  • May 12, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by Calico Pete

    <br>........................<b r>can't be done w/o the dots?

  • May 12, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by Calico Pete

    <br>........................<br>says it all.

  • May 12, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    pete, dont try to learn it on this thread.

    by moondoggy2u

    just do it on the tf thread--people are already using that thread to talk TF AND use boldness. We can't have all these threads filled with freaks learning how to use bold--otherwise we'll have some bannings and the bold text thingy removed, okay? <br>ithasnothingtodowithdots<br>Its much more technical than that. LEARN THERE. NOT HERE.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST


    by zooch

    GUILLERMO DEL TORO!! GUILLERMO DEL TORO!! Pan Labyrinth proves he would do it right. He's the only one that might do it BETTER than Peter Jackson would.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Savage Steve Holland

    by CallMeX

    The comeback we've all been waiting for. Even if we never knew it. And then there's always the off chance that he and John Cusack could grab a beer, settle their differences, and have Cusack playing either Bard of Dale. Or not, you know? That's cool, too. If not Savage Steve, Peter Weir then. The whole Galapagos thing...right on. Maybe work in Paul Bettany.

  • May 12, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Poetic warrior

    by slappy jones

    you sound like a guy who has been picked on a lot in life...bullied..."at least the other guys aren't walkign around thinking they are something they are not??" those are the ramblings of that scary guy on the subway in the urine stained trench coat who keeps twitching. you knob. anyway my worry is that new line have a history that new line have a history thinking they can continue franchises without any of the original talent invloved...son of the mask...dumb and dumberer

  • May 12, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    How bout Garry Marshall?

    by Forestal

    They could turn the Hobbit into a chick flick! Instead of Bilbo travelling with Gandalf and the dwarves to the Lonely Mountain Rosie Cotton's mother, Lily Brown travels to Bree to live with her grandmother. All kinds of hillarious situations ensue as Lily and her grandmother try to bond. Lindey Lohan is in talks to play Lilly and Jane Fonda is in talks to play her grandmother...

  • May 12, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay....more like Michael Gay!!!!

    by mrtwig48


  • May 12, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    How about RIDLEY SCOTT..? Or even ALFONSO CUARON..?

    by workshed

    Either would be great -of course the real deal would be Peter Jackson because without him you won't get back key members of the cast i.e.McKellen.

  • May 12, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by wolvenom

    that greedy bastard can stick it up his money infested buttcrack

  • May 12, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    i want to see some hobbit tits...

    by wolvenom

    lets see some hobbit tits, and bush in the next the one.

  • May 12, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Only Jackson can do it.

    by Napoleon Park

    Assuming Samuel L. Jackson even wants to direct. <p> This talkback is a valuable resource, since I think virtually every living interesting director ever has been named in it. No Brian De Palma love? <p> I nominate Gerard Damiano ("Deep Hobbit", "The Hobbit In Miss Jones", "The Story Of Hobbit", "For Richer, For Hobbit", "Hobbit Flicks:, "The Hobbits of Alpha Blue", "Consenting Hobbits", "Hobbit: 12 Years After", "Beyond Your Wildest Hobbit", "Future Hobbit", and of course the softcore UK version of "Hobbit In The Ass". <p> [I've clearly seen way too many Albert Gork movies, haven't I?]

  • May 12, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    KILL BILBO Parts 1 & 2

    by Buzz Maverik

    "Mah name is Gollum and I sure can call 'em."

  • May 12, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST

    They should make picking the director, a reality show!

    by Ingeld

    They could call it "Directing with the Istari" or the "UnReal World." Second tier directors (the old B list thing) can compete each week and get judged by celebrity geek judges--Harry are you busy? Viewers will vote them in or out. The winner will direct the movie! Spin off shows can do the casting, award the special effects contract, etc. Spin offs like "So You Want To Be Best Boy?" probably won't make it, however. By the time the movie comes out we will be so sick of it that we will hate the whole stupid thing. It will be a mockery of movie making and I will just laugh my ass off.

  • May 12, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I know who will direct the Hobbit movie for New Line!

    by melanarus

    New Line and B.S. (Bob Shaye) plan to release their Hobbit in 2 years. No finished script yet. Any RESPECTABLE director would probably ($$$) turn down this film if they are offered it. Why? Well they will be compared to Jackson and the Lotr and considered a cheap imitation of Peter Jackson and Company. Fantasy movies really suck for the most part, take a look back at the last twenty years or so. No Fantasy Epic ever made me feel like the place in the movie actually existed like Lotr. I always feel reminded that it's just a few guys in costume in the woods and thats not too interesting. That Eragorn movie is a perfect example of how the Hobbit directed by any of these AICN fanboy posting jackasses most wanted Hobbit directors wishlist will make the "magic" happen. And Calico Pete, if somebody told me you were Bob Shay or a New Line exec, I'd fuckin believe it. Your posts are so anti Jackson and why do you care to know what we liked so much about lotr and all the other stuff you posted? You seem to be so passionatel against Peter Jackson and spend so much time in here giving in depth reasons why you think he sucks and Jackson and his fans need to move on and let a new director do it. You sure you aint Bob Shay? Let me tell you something. PJ IS a visionary and you said it yourself. He brought to the screen what you already pictured in your head as you said. And Jackson took that vision, that was in everybodys head of LOTR and made that into the first Fantasy movie that was done right or to that high a level. Basically, theres not much Tolkien material left to come to movies. Pretty much just the Hobbit which is connected to the lotr. I'd rather see PJ finish up full circle the final bit of Tolkien left since he did LOTR. Imagine if one director, and company did the first six Harry Potter movies and the last one or two were done by completely different cast and crew. Why not just let them finish what they started? Bob Shay(new line president) is a director too I believe and he directed some terbitha movie? I think there is a bit of jealousy and envy here, I think he is bitter that he sucks and Peter Jackson is so huge and this gave BS the perfect opportunity to screw Jackson out of doing the Hobbit.

  • May 12, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    All Hail Chrth!

    by Will Panic

    He who is first, yet does not claim it! Who needs a Hobbit movie? Just reread the fucking book.

  • May 12, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I know who will direct the Hobbit movie for New Line! 2

    by melanarus

    And what director in their right mind would work for New Line and Bob Shay because if all you fanboys and the directors you dream of doing the Hobbit seem to forget one thing. Peter Jackson is probably owed MILLIONS for the fellowship of the ring. New Line refused to work this out. Not something you do if you are innocent. You let Peter Jackson, the guy who singlehandedly made New Line the most money in it's history and probably saved their asses have a look at the books and not go so far as a lawsuit. They also Banned PJ. Do any of you think Directors want to work for New Line and BS when this is the shit they do to the guy who made their biggest moneymakers?

  • May 12, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    As an expert on all things Tolkien...

    by Valebant

    I agree more with Calico Pete than most. Peter Jackson did a good job. As far as creating a fantasy world that was believable - sure, Jackson did that - but that's not the trick with The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien's Middle-Earth is Earth. PJ found a patch of grass that fit the description and filmed it. He then made life-size models of D&D statuettes and played dolls. Most of the "magic" behind LOTR was the time and consideration (and MONEY) PJ put into costumes and creatures. PJ didn't film The Lord of the Rings, he filmed The War of the Rings. He completely removed most of the narrative perspectives that supported the emotional depth of the original work. Read the book - Helm's Deep lasted 9 pages out of 1,031. The book belongs on the shelf with Vonnegut, Orwell and Lewis, not Donaldson, Brooks and Jordan. <p> I like the movie trilogy of Tolkien's work, but the movies are distinctly Peter Jackson's, not Tolkien's. <p> By the way, there is only one more Tolkien I want to see on screen... del Toro and The Children of Hurin. As far as The Hobbit goes, I'm okay with Peter Jackson, but I would certainly see the film without him.

  • May 12, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Hobbit vs Bay Ego

    by jegoing74

    I know one thing that is assured he could piss off the tolkien estate in less than 10 seconds.

  • May 12, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Guillermo Del Toro?

    by flaccidsnake

    I mean..i know he has a lot on his plate, but he has everything it takes to fill Jackson's shoes. Surprised his name has'nt been thrown in the ring yet...

  • May 12, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    James Cameron

    by darthbinks1220

    2.5 billion worldwide gross

  • May 12, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Steven Spielberg

    by darthbinks1220

    Nice follow-up to COG.

  • May 12, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    How about CLINT EASTWOOD?

    by ZeroCorpse

    Seriously. He's a kickass director. He can tell a sober story, and he can put some humor in where it belongs. I know it's not his normal thing, but The Hobbit has heart, and Clint Eastwood can direct a movie with heart like no one else these days. <p> Just keep Michael Bay away from it. I'd go for Sophia Coppola. Hell, I'd go for Brian Singer before I'd accept Sam Raimi after the debacle that was Spider-Man 3, as long as Singer gets over his need to make characters into stalkers.

  • May 13, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    EDDIE MURPHY Should Play All the Characters

    by Moniker Jones

    don't'cha don't'cha

  • May 13, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Calling Jeremiah Chechick!!!

    by Moniker Jones

    the dude's got mad skillz

  • May 13, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    I Wonder What Filmmaker Will Call Harry Tonight!?

    by Moniker Jones

    probably Michael Curtiz or the late Stanley Kubrick

  • May 13, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Michael Tolkin Should Write the Script!

    by Moniker Jones

    Get it?!

  • May 13, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST

    What about MGM?

    by FrodoFraggins

    Shaye can ask any director he wants. Without a distribution deal it's dead in the water. And the last I heard, MGM wasn't on board with New Line ditching PJ. MGM holds the rights after New Line loses theirs. Which means if they wait a few years, Zaentz can sell to whomever he wants, and whomever he wants will be a company that wants PJ to helm it.

  • May 13, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Paul Greengrass's THE HOBBIT ULTIMATUM

    by palimpsest

    They stole his ring, now he wants it back.

  • May 13, 2007, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by smylexx

    Polanski should direct.... If there's one director that REALLY knows how to get inside a child, it's him. Failing that, i'll take Chrth providing he really DOES film the book. Literally. An overhead camera and a hand can turn the pages every 90 seconds...maybe Bruce Campbell could play the hand.

  • May 13, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    hey Tolkien expert

    by pipergates

    Agree with most you say, as a Tolkien admirer myself, but i do believe Jackson got a lot right in LOTR. The casting was mostly spot on, the hobbit lads, Gandalf specially. He got the look of Hobbiton very right.The setting, the clothes, the details.very impressive. I disliked the way he handled Gimli, even the way he looked, that was cheap. And there were other elements of cheapness, and too much focus on the action, not enough on the unique soul of middle-earth.And that cavetroll looked like something out of his old slasher films instead of a mythological creature.Trolls have big noses to start with.I know a lot of people love the music, i found it bland. Should have been much more unique,tribal,mystical.If they only had asked Hedningarna to compose it...Anyway, if de does not come back for the hobbit, i believe he shold at least be involved, as should Weta and the masterfull Mckellen. I believe Cuaron and Del toro would be better choises as directors, they dont have Jacksons flaws like the overblown emotional dramatizations that made Frodo and Sam look like fruits.I like the idea of Clint Eastwood too or some reason. But really for New Line not to settle with Jackson and put this project in risk of being Eragon-ized,i find it f'in criminal.And very stupid.

  • May 13, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST


    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    And it's precisely because Jackson managed to cut through all the guff that the films were so tremendously entertaining and successful, whilst the books, although popular in their own way, are more than a little stodgy. <P> Having read the trilogy on several occasions (and started and failed to finish the Silmarillion many times) it's fairly apparent that Jackson captured the essence of the world Tolkein created without getting bogged down in the ultimately irrelevant detail that some love, but for most just gets in the way of the story. <P> Jackson should direct The Hobbit for the sake of continuity if nothing else. The difference in feeling between the more childish Hobbit and LOTR is something Tolkein himself wished to go back and change, so the plans to make the film stylistically similar to the LOTR trilogy is only doing what Tolkein himself wished to. Filming it as a direct "prequel" to the original trilogy is the only sensible thing to do.

  • May 13, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Calico Pete

    by brokentusk

    I was a massive fan of THE LORD OF THE RINGS before the films were released, so my expectations were incredibly high and (after EPISODE 1) I knew that there was a higher chance of being let down by Peter Jackson than being blown away. When THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING started, I was worried at certain points (particularly near the beginning, where the pace feels rushed)... but then they arrived at Moria... and Gandalf fell... That scene (and the accompanying scene of the Fellowship falling apart afterwards) sold me on Jackson. Moving on to THE TWO TOWERS, I loved most of the film, but when Gandalf arrives at Helm's Deep on Shadowfax and charges down the hill... that was perfection. I couldn't have asked for a better representation of that scene. RETURN OF THE KING, to me, is just excellence from start to finish. The Mouth of Sauron, Shelob, the final fight at the Black Gates, Sam carrying Frodo on his back... it was as if Peter Jackson had taken my interpretation of those parts of the books and put them up on screen. Utterly fantastic. Look, I do have problems with certain parts of all the films - they aren't perfect. What I'm saying is that Tolkien's soul runs through all three films and Jackson's world felt "right". Again, it is possible for another director to capture the same magic, but for me, personally, I'd rather go back to Jackson's vision because I know I'll be satisfied and there's less chance for disappointment.

  • May 13, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    i like bay but he would fit the hobbit like...

    by pipergates

    harry in a bikini

  • May 13, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for a succesful Hobbit without Jackson.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    If only to hurt his fanatics. If, say, Andrew Niccol's "The Hobbit" turns out to be a great film, of course they'll never admit it (they'll say it's "too childish!!!" if it's faithful to the lighthearted book, or they'll scream it's "too dark!!!" if it's bent more towards the LotR universe), but they will know it and it will cause them pain.

  • May 13, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    i'll bring the gasoline

    by pipergates

    and matches too

  • May 13, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Bay for Superman, inject it with some adrenalin

    by pipergates

    he would even be great for the JLA movie.but not for the hobbit.

  • May 13, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    cause superman shouldn't be a machomachoman

    by pipergates

    and that is not an opinion on anybody's sexual preferences

  • May 13, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    It must be Weir

    by Thomas Cromwell

    Master and Commander is my all time favourite film. Just think: Lee Ingleby as Bilbo, Paul Bettany as Thranduil and a bearded Russel Crowe as Thorin. None other shall do.

  • May 13, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by livingwater

    Quite a good film, a bit too adrenaline, but better than most films. More watchable than Spiderman etc..

  • May 13, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by livingwater

    Peter Weir, Ridley Scott, Ang Lee, Guillermo Del Toro, Milos Forman, Alfonso Cuaron, Mike Newell, Chris Columbus

  • May 13, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    russel crowe as thorin

    by pipergates

    yeah man

  • May 13, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by Nachokoolaid

    You said: "I consider a visionary someone who can show me a vision I HAVEN'T conceived of. Since I played RPGs as a kid and read fantasy books PJ only showed me what was already playing in my head. If that's the best he can do, no offense to me [thanks, none taken], then he's not a visionary." <p> I don't agree with what you said, and I don't disagree. However, your argument is based around a concept that has one serious flaw. You say that many of PJ's concepts were in your head or seemed to similar to RPGs. The reason for this is because all of these things (most things that had the slightest thing to do with fantasy) stole most of their concepts/designs from Tolkien's descriptions. So while it may seem like PJ was copying some RPG, he was actually faithfully portraying Tolkien's descriptions which were blatantly copied by your beloved RPGs many years ago. <p> As for your questions about the scenes we thought PJ handled well, what about the arrival of Arwen? You said that no one was awestruck enough at elves in PJ's vision of LOTR. Well, that's one scene where I think your argument is proven wrong. We first see her as the Hobbits do, and PJ even goes so far as to give her different lighting, costume, score, film speed, etc. Another favorite is when Gandalf removes Saruman from Theoden. He made a potentially confusing scene crystal clear and exciting for the audience. <p> For the record, I'd like to see PJ back because of the continuity issues, and if someone else is chosen, I hope we get to see their vision of LOTR (in the near future) as well, so it all goes together and the fans have at least one complete vision.

  • May 13, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST


    by JackPumpkinhead

    You list some fine choices of some fine directors, and then you completely screw the list up by adding Chris Columbus to it. What the hell? I can only hope you actually meant the guy who got lost sailing and discovered North America.

  • May 13, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    It's all irrelevant...

    by ReverendJontheBastard

    Saul Zaents has already said he's going to tie up production with lawsuits until the rights to the next two films revert back to him this year. And then Peter will can make both The Hobbit and the unnamed prequel without interference from the studio. Each movie is guaranteed to make at least a billion dollars at the end of the day. Plus the fact that New Line can make the movie all they want to, MGM is the one who has the rights to distribute. And if they don't have to split the money with New Line, they won't.

  • May 13, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST


    by uVa

    Michael Bay is on the "wish list?" This project is DOOOOOOOMED.

  • May 13, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    hope you're right rev. john b.

    by pipergates

    its not long to wait.worst that could happen is if they rush it just for that reason

  • May 14, 2007, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Shia Labouf Should Direct the Hobbit!!!!

    by Forestal

    Think about it!

  • May 14, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    There's a lot really...

    by Sundaycall1

    Ridley Scott, Alex Proyas (sp.), Alfonso Cuaron, Peter Weir, George Millar, Spielberg, Jon Favreau , Del Toro, Chris Nolan, Sam Raimi, Matthew Vaughn (StarDust might rock i.e. make him a front runner), Gore Verbinski or what about Martin Campbell? Lots of choices and that's only if they get it made before the rights expire in which case Jacksons back in, as is McKellan for certain, Sirkis and god knows they'll probably go to John Rhys-Davies to play Gloin. And the thought of another effects shop attemting Gollum is nightmare-esque material.

  • May 14, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    yeah Gollum would look like Shrek

    by pipergates

    if Weta didnt do him...Vaughn just might be a frontrunner,Harry really liked Stardust.

  • May 14, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Like Prometheus, I have returned with fire

    by Calico Pete

    <br>Moondoggy2UxMoondoggy2U,<b r>24 chars wrapped in br-tags makes the text following the 2nd br bold. Yeah, real technical. :) <br><br>melanarus, you found me out. Are you so egocentric as to believe that Bob Shaye is the only one who doesn't share your views? The reason I'm passionate about it is because I happen to give a shit, and I happen to have been disappointed by the LOTR movies. I don't hate PJ, or his films, but after I was disappointed by them I thought about why it was, took a close look at them to understand where they failed, and realized what some of problems may have been. I'm not looking for perfect. But I do believe that a different director could have alleviated some of the issues. They may bring other deficiencies with them, but maybe they'd nail what others on this thread have observed as well... the movies were well-crafted, but workmanlike. For the *most* part, they didn't surprise me, they left me detached, and they didn't capture key points of the experience of LOTR. The reason I *am* interested in where the films surprised and delighted others is because I'm genuinely curious what others think. BTW if the definition of a visionary was someone who took what was in your head and gave it life, well then that would make your asshole a visionary. Your definition seems off in other words.

  • May 14, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Nachokoolaid, t.piper.gates., brokentusk, et alia...

    by Calico Pete

    Well, I got that wrong. The 24 char part. Doesn't make me wrong on the other stuff. <br><br>Nachokoolaid, I agree with you that when Gandalf removes Theoden from Saruman's spell it's a great moment. It's one of the moments successful in capturing the beauty and magic in a way that made me feel something. There are a few others too. When Gandalf asks Bilbo for the ring and they have that spat, what PJ does is fantastic... making Gandalf's *presence* seemingly grow in stature, and all though camerawork, lighting, and McKellan's acting! It's a great moment that captures the scary power of Gandalf much MUCH better than that fx-fest in TTT of him fighting the Balrog. There was nothing in *that* scene that said you could only fight a Balrog if you're Gandalf. It could have been Conan with a magic sword for all intents and purposes. The Bilbo and Theoden scenes were also much better than the breakdancing wheezards scene (thanks TomBodet!) for the same reason. Replace Gandalf and Saruman with any two telekinetic shmoes and you've got the same scene. What makes Saruman and Gandalf special? Where is the taste of their unique power and glory? After all they're not just your avg D&D spellcasters, they're the equivalent of angels in Tolkien's cosmology! And that's why the Gandalf scenes w/Theoden and Bilbo are so great. They capture that. BTW, I also love the shot of Gandalf talking to the moth, if that helps pinpoint the kind of stuff I'm looking for. <br><br>Anyway, about the elves, yes, the characters see Arwen that way, but we the viewers don't. We're shown the characters' reactions without being made to feel it ourselves. That's what I'm talking about. It's that feeling you got the first time you saw Yoda bring the X-Wing out of the swamp (to put in terms AICN'ers will understand ;) <br><br>As for the RPG thing, yeah, I know the argument, but it isn't an excuse for PJ. Just because PJ's fantasy predecessors were influenced by Tolkien, doesn't mean PJ can't re-invent it himself. In fact, it's even more reason for him to to do so! To show us Tolkien in a way we've never imagined! The fact that he couldn't is a failure of his imagination IMHO. I know his pre-pro team had John Howe and Alan Lee, and they've been drawing Tolkien the same way for 30 years, but that's no excuse either. PJ was a great integrator of others' Tolkien-based visions but he didn't do it in a way that was new to anyone already familiar with those individual visions. <br><br>brokentusk, I loved Moria as well, up to the point the battle went full tilt. Once that hit I no longer felt the terror or tension. It dissipated into what became mere action. A better director would have maintained tension throughout. <br><br>t.piper.gates., yeah I know what you mean about Gimli. The makeup didn't look good, and he didn't seem very mobile. Something cheap-looking about his physical execution. I liked the music though, or parts of it anyway. The main problem with it was that it was non-stop. Every frame practically had music. Too much!! <br><br>One last example of what was wrong with the film's depiction of Sauron. At the beginning of FOTR, when he's still shown in physical form, we get no sense that he's anything more than the equivalent of the big-boss at the end of a Doom level. Ooh. He's large! And his mere sneeze can knock back dozens of elves and men! Ooooh! Ok, he's physically dangerous. But we don't get the sense of him being the evil to end all evil, the scary apocalypse incarnate. No, as far as PJ shows us, he's just a big, strong, ugly mofo. I was more scared of the Terminator in T1! <br><br>As for all a' youse who're worried about a consistent look between another director's Hobbit and PJ's LOTR, look no further than Harry Potter, Star Trek movies, James Bond, etc. Consistency is possible, though is it really desirable? Yes, I agree PJ succeeded in making Middle-Earth feel real, moreso than other films have achieved at any rate, but that was because of attention to detail, budget, and the wealth of background these worlds already had. Eragon never had that, but there's no reason to believe The Hobbit won't have that, even if Weir, Miller, or Taymor were directing it. And I like the idea of the Hobbit having its own self-contained look, like it's been filtered through a distant fairy-tale of LOTR's characters.

  • May 14, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    gimli the comic relief

    by pipergates

    That was the worst for me. The magic of Gandalf yes, great filming there but mainly a great actor. Dont think Mckellen is replaceable. I guess the continuity is possible with other directors, but in Potter they probably had the same team doing all the designs on all the movies? And would Weta be back without jackson? If not we might just get a skinny Shrek instead of a Gollum.

  • May 14, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    a perfect director: RIDLEY SCOTT

    by amirdehestani

    I REALLY believe that RIDLEY SCOTT would be the best choice for directing HOBBIT...he has the power,powerful visual style and storytelling, he knows visual FX ,and a very important factor is that he is an ENGLISH MAN who knows the culture behind these stories and characters very good...he is perefect!!!

  • May 14, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    claymation, or stop-motion rather

    by Calico Pete

    ...would be very very interesting. I'd go see it. As for Ridley, Legend was beautiful, but makes me doubt he'd be into directing The Hobbit. He'd have to make it feel different than Legend, and has he already used up all of his fantasy ideas?

  • May 14, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Give me the job

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    I'll turn this classic children's story into a bloody onslaught of revenge and toruture. I will play the lead as Bilbo (they will use CGI to shrink me) and when Gandalf shows up with the dwarves, its to inform me that Smaug has taken my son, and the only way to get him back will be to pay the dragon off with gold. But screw that, I don't bend over for any weisenheimer, that schmendrick is dead. YOU HEAR ME SMAUG!?! Now GIVE ME BACK MY SON!

  • May 14, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Sommers is a great director!

    by Reznor

    I really have fun with all of his movies.

  • May 14, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Christopher Lee?

    by Wyshmere

    He has directed a few films and knows the material very well. He is an avid Tolkien fan.

  • May 14, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    and he's probably still mad at jackson

    by pipergates

    but i doubt the studios would trust him with something this big

  • May 15, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Is Merrick as bad a writer as he seems?

    by pip1345

    Also, this is old news. Please work harder.