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Is It Possible?? A Director Other Than Raimi For THE HOBBIT??

Merrick here... This is from an untried source, so I suppose this should be taken with a grain of salt. But, it’s pretty interesting none the less…and a potentiality I’d never truly considered. Personally, I think this notion makes a surprising amount of sense - although nothing makes as much sense as…say…just working things out with Peter Jackson and getting him the fuck back onto the project! (I believe Jackson is now synonymous with LORD OF THE RINGS/HOBBIT & his absence will make any project feel pale, imitative, or exploitative). Anyway, Checkyr wrote in, explaining who he is and why he would have access to this knowledge. He wanted to share this tidbit with readers. We all know that Sam Raimi is being courted to direct THE HOBBIT. As far as I’m concerned, this is a troubling choice give the sloppy and disingenuous SPIDER-MAN 3 – and Raimi’s increasing lack of style. Checkyr says that, concurrent with Raimi’s offer…MASTER AND COMMANDER director Peter Weir is also being approached. Which…is pretty damn cool. MASTER AND COMMANDER is a very fine film with an awesome look and sense of character. I wholeheartedly agree with those who call it “the best STAR TREK film in many years". If you don’t get that analogy, think about it before yelling at me in Talkbacks. If anyone knows anything more about this, DROP ME A LINE & I’ll update the world! Again, grain of salt…but compelling enough…

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  • May 9, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST




  • May 9, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by Mogwrath


  • May 9, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST




  • May 9, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    guess i wasn't first

    by Mogwrath

    peter jackson to direct the hobbit!? I voted YES!

  • May 9, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST



    Spiderman 3 was a pure let down... He's a nice guy and all but his style is too cheesy... Now if Ridley Scott got on board, that would be something...

  • May 9, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    ringwearer, come out, come out wherever you are

    by just pillow talk

    I really did like Master and Commander. Again, it is hard to picture Middle Earth without Jackson, but much like Spidey, another director would be welcomed.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Spider-man 3 was the ghey.

    by Dublin579

    so it was.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    no jackson no hobbit

    by jonboy83

    pay him his $ you greedy bastards

  • May 9, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    over rated

    by darwinwins

    jackson AND raimi. that's right, i went there. my friend who is a huge geek for all things related to lord of the rings and i are in agreement that we no longer watch the lord of the rings movies because of the homosexual overtones between sam and frodo which really casts a shadow on the movies. why??

  • May 9, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I can't stand the idea of a dark depressing

    by gboybama

    version of the Hobbit, a film that should be full of wonder and adventure. Nipples on Raimi = Emo Bilbo.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    'M & C' a great 'Star Trek' film?

    by Neil Peart

    Since I am a huge Patrick O'Brian fan, but most definitely not a trekkie, I'll take your word for it. I did have a friend once who told me that Captain Kirk was based on Forester's Horatio Hornblower. though. Anyhoo, I think Weir would probably be a better director for 'The Hobbit' than Raimi. Don't get me wrong, I love Raimi, but I just think Weir is more suited for the project.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by Metrogenic

    If that's the reason you no longer watch LOTR, you need to take a long, hard, look at yourself, and then at your friend who is a huge geek for all things related to lord of the rings, and try to figure out why the mere thought of male-on-male affection bothers you guys so much. Seriously, you guys will be great together.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    weir could do it

    by StovetopStuffin'

    Raimi needs to get back to doing something he loves. I love the man to death, but I hate what he did with Spidey 3. I felt my heart sink while watching that train wreck.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I'll direct it !

    by kingoflight

    Just give me a blank cheaque and peter jacksons phone number and i'll do it no questions asked. I am really looking forward to watching this film in about 5-8 years time.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Still in post Spider-Man depression

    by trombone

    So the mention of the name of the man who raped Peter Parker is not good for my emotional state. I AM positive that Jackson is not the ONLY choice. I've loved LOTR since I was 10 and the film-LOTR was OK, but it wasn't all that. And to ask 2 MORE films out of him? Not sure he's got it in him. I just want a good movie to be made. The important thing is that the director take the fantasy seriously and to be able to bring the magic of that world. Peter Weir has done that successfully in a LOT of films: "Dead Poets Society", "Truman Show", "The Witness". Didn't see Master and Commander.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Metrogenic - my thoughts exactly

    by just pillow talk

    Better make sure when you guys go to a movie together, keep a seat between you empty. And get separate popcorns, you wouldn't want your hands to accidentally touch.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    If Raimi did the Hobbit, it'd go something like this

    by chrth

    Gandalf calls Bilbo, leaves him a message asking him if he wants to go out on an adventurer. Bilbo returns the call and tells Gandalf he'd love to. Then Bilbo gets attacked by the Sackville-Baggins, who Bilbo gives Amnesia so that they no longer desire Bag End. A gollum hurled from space lands in Bag End, gives Bilbo a ring. Bilbo leaves Gandalf a teary message wishing he'd call back. Meanwhile, Sandyman, the miller (heh, that worked nicely) turns out to be responsible for Frodo's parents dying in a boating accident, and even though Bilbo hasn't adopted Frodo yet, he goes after Sandyman while wearing the ring...

  • May 9, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    from Stardust to Hobbit

    by pipergates

    ¡I know who could do it better, mr. Vaughn!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Merric give me a break dude

    by MetiphisLabs

    Troubling that Sam Raimi might Direct because of Spiderman 3? The man makes one misstep and suddenly it's worrisome he might Direct Hobbit? I think the man deserves way more credit than that, and frankly I'm not gonna forsake him over Spiderman 3 which wasn't as bad as everyone that is wailing about it claims.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Lets not forget...

    by MetiphisLabs

    That early on Raimi and Jackson's styles were quite similar. Seems like a good fit to me.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Wow, I actually suggested Peter Weir...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius a viable option after the whole Jackson/Shaye/New Line debacle broke loose. This is a great choice should Jackson be unable to direct "The Hobbit". Weir (or anyone else for that matter) would definitely have his work cut out for him with regards to production design, etc. With New Line being involved, I wonder if Jackson would even be willing to assist Weir in that department.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by trombone

    HAHAHAHAAAA!! LOL partner! That is IT! And just when Bilbo is about to whip some serious ass, Sandyman floats away on an eagle. Bilbo takes the ring off and gives it to the Sackville-Bagginses and then blows them up with one of Gandalf's fireworks. DAMN YOU SAM RAIMI!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I read the good news. Congratulations!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by trombone

    Damn damn damn! What the heck, bro'? Messin' wit' Pete like you done?

  • May 9, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by Theta

    Sorry, I love PJ as much as the next geek, but Peter Weir on "The Hobbit" gives me wood. The only thing that would give me more wood would be George Miller.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Bilbo at the far side of Middle-earth!

    by morGoth

    Peter Weir is a much more satisfying choice than Raimi. M&C is one of my favorite movies so having the director of that helming Tolkien's Hobbit puts a big Sooty Smile on this puss. <p> Interesting items when you enter his name in IMDB: "His characters often interact with technology, especially television, in ways that harm them or surprise the viewer, e.g. the church big screen TV in The Mosquito Coast (1986); the living room TV and TV control center in The Truman Show (1998); radio playing in the barn in Witness (1985), and so on." I'm thinking of Bilbo finding the One Ring and the effect it has on him (unknown to him, of course). Also: "His films very often deal with people, who find themselves in surroundings, where they do not fit in (e.g. a Philadelphia Cop among the Amish or a progressive teacher on a strictly conservative school)." I guess I don't have to compare that with Bilbo in the company of Dwarves he unexpectedly finds himself.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Raimi? BAH!

    by cutest_of_borg

    Jackson or nothing!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Oz v Kiwi?

    by krodnoc

    A New Zealand director replaced by an Australian one? Sounds like a joke but at least it's better than Raimi.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    weir is gret but the only other person i would let

    by cekma

    want to make this is... Del Toro. The imagination, visuals and world and characters he is able to create make him the perfect canidate, and he's friends with peter jackson and would never steer him wrong. Not to mention how faithful/loyal/respectful he is to source material like Hellboy. More thenI can say for Spidey 3, God Venom got raped

  • May 9, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Star Trek? i don't get it. Explain it please

    by ludmir88

    IRON-MAN = KEVLAR-MAN and shadows of Sandman in Spiderman 3 save money. We need another version of Spiderman 3!!! (no Venom, more Brocke, less dance, less crying)!!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by cutest_of_borg

    How old are you, 12? Only teenage boys and men unsecure in their manhood would even think Frodo and Sams relationship was gay.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    cant believe those jerks wont pay jackson

    by pipergates

    greedy idiots messing up the tolkien legacy

  • May 9, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Spidey 3 not as bad?

    by liljuniorbrown

    I WANT to love Spiderman 3 and there were so many moments and aspects of the film I liked and wanted to love whole heartedly but come on. A Sandman that really just didn't do anything but cry and whine and he's really a good guy? Venom didn't show up until waaaaay late in the game and then you kill him off? Why did you kill off Venom? Motherfuck Raimi! And with something as petty as some pipes and a fucking Hobgoblin pumpkin bomb? Man, i don't know what made me madder killing off Venom like a pussy or the pistol finger popping Peter Parker who says things like "Cool out baby" or what ever fucking jazz lingo he was spouting. Damn you Micheal Bay? No damn you Sam Raimi!!! No geek pass from me.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Spidey 3 was great

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    So get the hell over it you frigging losers who just want to hate on Spiderman 3 regardless of how good or bad it actually was simply because it is the fad of this website... Glad to see most other reviewers in the country and moviegoers in general disagree... I mean get the hell over it, it was good, the dance scene was funny, the crying fit the scenes, etc... I mean seriously GET THE HELL OVER IT and make your own damn opinion, since its pretty obvious ya'll are brainwashed from this sites views.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    How the Mighty Have Fallen

    by sevenrivera

    I remember the joy that greeted the idea of Raimi handling the Hobbit. Most felt Jackson should do it, but if absolutely necessary, Raimi was a solid alternative. How times have changed. Now Raimi is responsible for one of the stinkiest turds since Batman & Robin and I don't want him within 1000 feet of the Hobbit. I don't want him catering the set even. What a horrible start to the summer - Spidey sucked balls, you know Pirates will too and then we've got Michael Bay to top it all off with a big shitburger. Thank God for Hotfuzz.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by trombone

    Go back to Sony and collect your 30 pieces of silver.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    damn you mary jane watson

    by ludmir88

    you're a bitch

  • May 9, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by cutest_of_borg

    Careful using "y'all", brother. Your fellow Yankees may run you south of the Mason-Dixon. :)

  • May 9, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by trombone

    LOL Hahahahah!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I'd rather see Weir get it.

    by Mosquito March

    Raimi's losing it.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    New Line Joins The Idiot Club!!!

    by Frank Black

    You guys who love The Hobbit should start a massive protest now because I'll tell you right now which shitty director is going to get this project and you can mark my words and remember my voice in your heads... BRETT (Bland and Boring) Rattner will be directing this and I wouldn't be surprised if it is announced as his follow up to Rush Hour 3 or 4 or whatever number they are on!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    And who says venom is dead?

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Where was the body or the symbiote? From what I remember there wasnt a trace of either... not a single bone fragment or nothing... And your going to tell me that pumpkin bomb which caused only a sever burn when it blew up next to Harry would totally and completely incinerate every single molecule of Venom/Brock because it was attached to them or whatever? I dunno that to me wasnt venoms death.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Love Weir...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and Master and Commander, but don't know about his ability to deal with the lighthearted bits. I'm with the guy who mentioned Del Toro. Glad Raimi might be benched on this one.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Hiya cutest...

    by morGoth

    ...oh, one of those Jackson purist, eh? Heh, kidding and I basically feel the same way but it just doesn't look like PJ will ever be able to do it. So my first choice is still (and will always be) Jackson to do The Hobbit but Weir is definetly a solid fallback for the number two slot. <p> Yeah, can you believe there are still eejits going on about ghey Hobbits? Grow up already people, once and for all.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Oh, and darwinwins...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I'll bet you and your buddy enjoy your own version of Master and Commander, but like, in a totally not gay way, because you're so secure in your sexuality.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Well now you just ruined Heroes for me... I was going to catch up on it on DVD... but now i know part of the plot thanks to your name. You should still see it though, it really is a great movie... and even if these people dont think so, I have no idea how they think it is the 2007 version of Howard the Duck unless they hated the first 2 movies as well.. since I put them all on par with each other and don't see what they think is so drastically different from the first 2.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    i wanted to laugh in the crying bridge scene!!!

    by ludmir88

    and thats not good

  • May 9, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Not brainwashed

    by Volstaff

    Spiderman 3 was "ok", but it was far from great. I don't blame Raimi entirely. Considering all the shit the studio wanted him to include in it, it's kind of a wonder the movie was any good at all. But the guy needs to move on to another project that gets him excited again.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunsky as Bilbo

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Perfection. Spidey3 stuck bad.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Del Toro is a good choice

    by pipergates

    as long as he doesnt use that fake ugly toad again

  • May 9, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Oh come on...

    by Kid Z

    ... you just KNOW the suits'll get Brett RatTurd, Tim Sorry or someone equally talentless and hacky to chop out this thing in time for Summer '09!

  • May 9, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Perfect choice.

    by TELF

    Too good to be true really.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by cutest_of_borg

    Glad to hear from you. Picked up Children of Hurin but haven't read it yet. I'm sure you can recite the tale backwards but I am looking forward to it as much of the story is new to me. Borgette starts Longwood U. in the fall. Big changes a'comin'. How is the family?

  • May 9, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Oh no...

    by morGoth

    ...since Weir was born in 1944, doesn't that make him one of those...those...BABY BOOMERS?!! Aieee...don't tell Kid Z or he'll soil his knickers.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Thats the thing... ok you think its ok, not great... Im not talking about that, that I would accept hearing... its that everyone seems to act like it was one of the worst movies of all time... and its like how is that!?!?!?

  • May 9, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Pumpkin bombs have a "plot specific" setting

    by Logo Lou

    Sometimes, they erase groups of executives into skeletons in an instant. Other times, when blown up right next to your face they either rip your mask (Peter) or horribly scar you (Harry), then they go back to completely destroying humans and giant alien goo monsters.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 The Soup Opera 2007!!!

    by ludmir88


  • May 9, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Peter Weir

    by kwisatzhaderach

    A Peter Weir 'Hobbit' would be 1000 times better than a Peter Jackson 'Hobbit'. I think that, thematically, The Hobbit is a little bit beneath him though.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Wait they did do that in spiderman 1 didnt the... the executive thing... I dont remember... I remember the spiderman mask thing though. Ok, but fine.. so on superpowered or enhanced people they don't totally destroy them. I still think hes alive.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I dont get it

    by kilik777

    Why is everyone hating on Spiderman 3? It was far better than the other two and im sure it will have a way better replay value to it. The fighting and fx were easily enough to place it above the other two. If the Bruce Campbell cameo and other campy stuff bothered you then you must take these movies way too seriously. By the way Raimi's best movie outside of the Evil Dead Trilogy is easily A Simple Plan.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by trombone

    We hate it because we put so much trust in Raimi and ALL of the HYPE made it look awesome. So when it comes out limp, we are betrayed. They LIED to us, let us down. THAT'S why we hate it. You don't hear us complaining about Rush Hour 3 like that, do you? No. Because NONE of gave a Batman's nipple for it.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Sylar I liked Howard too...

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    I watched that like 10 times as a kid but havent seen it in over 15 years so who knows if I would feel the same... the only reason I used it as that that is widely regarded by most to be one of worst movies ever, so I figured that movie would be the one to use when drawing the parallel.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    BUT ...

    by ludmir88

    I love the hot girls in the background (Time Square, Jazz Club, The Bugle)nice.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Peter Weir would be fantastic

    by jimmy_009

    But I'd still prefer P.J.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST


    by MattyBoomStar

    Ever since he put Macy Gray in the first Spiderman saying "Look everyone! It's Spiderman" I officially hated everything Sam Raimi will ever do again. Spiderman 3 is just the icing on the shit cake he started years ago. Enjoy your money fucker, now go away and let talented people make movies. Raimi is just disgusting garbage.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Merrick, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!

    by Sinisterjim

    "sloppy and disingenuous SPIDER-MAN 3 – and Raimi’s increasing lack of style" Spider-Man 3 may have some flaws, but it's SO FUCKING FAR from being as bad as this insane 'fan'-backlash makes it out to be! and the Raimi hating just cracks me up...this film has Raimi all over it, and any true fan can see his personal touch, especially in scenes like the bad Peter/dance sequence...that's Raimi's love of cinema displayed in a scene more inspired than just about any scene in the franchise! It's obvious that Raimi conects more with the Parker/Spidey from the 60's than the mostly souless Spider-Man from the last twenty or so years. His understanding of the character is clearly more intimate than most "fans" who think everything has to be dark and edgy to fulfil there own narrow, fetishistic mentality. The story is flawed, structural problems, the 3rd act, etc. However, Raimi's directing hand is one of the films saving grace's, he manages to keep a flawed script from overpowering by bringing his style and kinetic filmmaking to the fore front.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    The Goblin Surfer vs. The Silver Surfer

    by ludmir88

    no thanks.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I think you'll like it cutest...

    by morGoth

    ...but compared to "The Hobbit," COH is a real downer. A truly tragic tale in the classical tradition of truly tragic tales. It's got some ass kicking Elves though and a really, really nasty dragon who lives via the spirit of Morgoth. Too bad Christopher Tolkien refuses to sell any movie rights to anything from "The Silmarillion" much less "Children of Hurin." <p> All the morGettes are doing fine, thank'ee kindly. You going to start commuting?

  • May 9, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Weir is a great director,

    by Colonel_Blimp

    but is he to much of an auteur for this kind of project? Discuss. As for Spidey 3, I haven't seen such inept filmmaking come out of a major studio since Troy. And the problem wasn't the studio wanting more villains or more action or whatever. The multiple villains actually kinda sorta work (at least up until Venom and Sandman team up. "I hate spider-man cause he won't let me rob banks to save my daughter" Most contrived motivation ever). Actually, I would prefer some more studio-interference if this is what happens when Raimi gets loose reins. Shouldn't the studios have some sort of fail-safe mechanisms for these kinds of situations? And as for the writing...I'm a writer for a pretty crappy TV-soap, and my bosses would NEVER let me get away with the lazy, cliched plot contrivances that SM3 does. Oh, and the acting was shite also. And much of the music. And I thoroughly enjoyed the two first films, and had no desire to see this one fail. I'm ranting I know, I guess my point is that Raimi appears to have become a self indulgent and sloppy director, ie not the best choice for the hobbit.

  • May 9, 2007, noon CST

    Peter Weir has more talent in his right ear than Raimi

    by mmaddox3

    Peter Weir is a brilliant pick to direct the hobbit....master & commander would have won dozens of awards had it not come out the same year as....return of the king. HE has an eye for beautiful cinematography, and can add so much depth to his characters, the events the run into and the palces they go to. perfect for middle earth. as far as raimi goes...spidey 3 was blah...and 6 words for the love of the game...bring us weir.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    what the hell is wrong with you people?!

    by JacksonsPole

    spiderman 3 was amazing! what is yer problem?! i feel like i'm taking crazy pills. i'm starting to feel like i never want to return to this site, again. i am awestruck by the sheer idiocracy of the opinions...

  • May 9, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I'm a yank, morGoth...

    by Kid Z

    ...We wear "draws", not "knickers"! We also drive "trucks" instead of "lorries", eat "chips" with our lunch instead of "crisps"; put "relish" on our sandwiches instead of "pickle"; have "cookies" for dessert instead of "biscuits" and go to "bars" to "pick up chicks" instead of going to "pubs" to "pull birds". Basically, it's the same language you use in the UK... just less gay!

  • May 9, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    But it wasnt limp...

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Thats the thing....I think what happened was these "fans" (which makes me laugh since most spiderman fans of comic and previous movies LOVED the third one) just put it into their head that no matter what they are going to bitch and complain about this movie, they won't let themselves like it.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    George Miller or Julie Taymor!

    by Calico Pete

    Now that my suggestion of Peter Weir has been heard, hear my other candidates: <br>br>George Miller (Babe 2 Pig in the City, Happy Feet, The Road Warrior... if that isn't the right fucking pedigree for this, I don't know what is); <br><br>Julie Taymor (Titus, the SpiderMan musical, Across the Universe... style, visuals, uniqueness... Titus was amazing ferchrissakes... she'd be perfect!); <br><br>Tarsem (The Cell, The Fall... people have described The Fall as being visually magnificent and so powerful in its sense of wonder that, well, The Hobbit is the next logical step)

  • May 9, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by trombone

    OK you have a point. It's not ALL Raimi's fault. So who put that crappy omelette scene in there? And the Bridge scene? And the Sandman floating away on a cloud scene? And the telephone sequence? And all the crying? Who can I hate? It has to be SOMEONE's fault.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Dr.Connors still have a portion of the symbiote

    by ludmir88

    but who cares???!!

  • May 9, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST


    by Zarles

    What does this sentence mean? "As far as I’m concerned, this is a troubling choice give the sloppy and disingenuous SPIDER-MAN 3 – and Raimi’s increasing lack of style." Huh?

  • May 9, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Here's who should direct "The Hobbit"

    by The Central Scrutinizer

    If Peter Jackson is REALLY out of the picture they should get Terry Gilliam. Anyone who's seen "Time Bandits" or "Baron Münchhausen" knows what I'm talkin' about. Although there was that partial disaster "The Brothers Grimm".

  • May 9, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson or Boycott

    by mikegator

    The bottom line is this. Everyone who invested their time and hard earned dollars in the first three films (theater/DVD) expect a similar work product or they just won't pay. Personally, I think New Line is making a grave error here. They aren't thinking of the fans, they are thinking of profits. These profits won't be anywhere near as high as if Peter Jackson makes the film. Period. If New Line goes through with choosing any other director than Peter Jackson, I will boycott the movie. I may just be 1 fan, but I will never forgive pettiness of this magnitude. This isn't elementary school New Line, settle your differences and get him on board or you lose a fan and gain extra bad word of mouth.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by cutest_of_borg

    I imagine wifey and I will visit once in a while during the semester but don't want to cramp her style. My chief job will be ferrying home for holidays as freshmen cannot drive/park on campus. Beautiful drive from VB, btw. Rolling hills and farmland the entire way. Already looking forward to the drive in Autumn when the leaves are changing. What do you think of the rumored LOTR prequel? Can there be that much going on to fill a 3 hour film? Oh, sure there is the whole Gandalf-White Council stuff and the meeting with Aragorn and - oh yeah! - Dol Guldur scene but really. How are they going to sell it to the mass audience?

  • May 9, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by trombone

    Thank you for the confirmation. So it really was Raimi? Part of me hoped I could blame it on the execs and contracts. ie Kirsten Dunst says she'll only be in the movie if she can sing for 10 minutes on screen. Or Arad says "we have to have Venom".

  • May 9, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Macy Gray...

    by Kid Z

    ... didn't even have lines... she just stopped singing, opened her mouth as if to catch a fly and lowered her shades down her nose and looked up like a homeless methhead about to be rolled by an LA cop. Besides, if you've ever heard Macy Gray talk, you'll be glad she had no lines. "Look, it's Spider-Man!" would've come out of her mouth as "Looh, 'z' Spy-Muhh!"

  • May 9, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Raimi is the new Bret Ratner

    by kafka07

    I'll take Peter Weir over Raimi anyday. It's so strange, I never thought I'd come to hate Raimi. I now feel like anything he'll touch will turn to shit.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Terry Gilliam needs therapy

    by ludmir88

    Baron Münchhausen or whatever it's weird and "I hate spider-man cause he won't let me rob banks to save my daughter" that's a good one

  • May 9, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    For now, don't make the Hobbit.

    by Jakes Nel

    Weir is one of the all-time great directors, better even than Jackson, in my opinion. And his Hobbit would certainly be fascinating, but I just don't see him as a summer blockbuster kind of director. M&C is the closest he's come to making a blockbuster and that's probably the way it'll stay. Raimi seems in some ways an obvious choice, but I'd much rather have him do Evil Dead 4. And the words 'imitative'and 'exploitative' do come to mind. Jackson is still the first choice, but please let the man move on to other things. 2 Films is asking a lot. So for now, keep looking, New Line. And if you don't find anyone, please don't rush in and give it to some wannabe. Take your time on this.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Damn you Avi Arad

    by ludmir88

    damn you again.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    a grain of sand?

    by newc0253

    i'd take it with the entire fucking gobi desert, personally. Weir's a great director but in his entire career he's never done anything remotely close to this type of film (and to say that Master & Commander is the closest he's come only underscores that). It sounds like fanboys are just emailing in any old speculation at this point, and AICN are running with it.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see Weir, Jackson, and Raimi develop...

    by stlfilmwire

    ...films based on new material.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Master and Commander

    by Mr Gorilla

    I wish Peter Weir could make two more of these. Would remind everyone that you can have a films series set on boats without having to resort to supernatural mumbo jumbo and a lead actor who winks at the camera every 10 seconds.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Jakes Nel

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's just it: New Line can't afford to take their time. They have to rush this puppy into production or else the rights revert back to Saentz (I believe) and they lose out on what will most surely be a dragon's hoard of box office ca$h.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST


    by ludmir88

    Macy Gray hahahahaha........

  • May 9, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    being fair to Spidey 3

    by Mr Gorilla

    It's above average - but it doesn't do justice to the investment Raimi and the viewers had put into the characters and world in the first two films.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    This level of Raimi bashing seems uncalled for

    by Caped Revenger2

    How disappointing it is that everyone here is so quick to turn on someone. Spider-Man 3 showed grace, style and originality. The bar has been set very high with these movies - unlike LOTR, this isn't a series with a built-in astounding finish. It must just continue on. It's like reading Amazing Spider-Man #15 and saying that it's not as good as ASM #4. There are natural diminishing returns in a movie series that is not based on a finite story, such as LOTR or the HARRY POTTER series. Considering that, I thought Raimi did a lot to make the movie original and interesting, and not the least of that was with the nightclub sequence, which had a lot of style and humor to it, that still didn't betray the overall tone of the first two movies. It's not like the jazz club scene is the equivalent of Richard Pryor in Superman III. The singing, in my view, adds class to the picture, and is appropriate considering its New York setting. This movie is anything but tone deaf - that would be X3 or the FF movies. And now everyone wants to string up Raimi. I thought Hollywood itself was bad about tossing someone out after one perceived mistep. Raimi did wonders with a comic book character whose style and tenor are incredibly hard to pull off, and he made a multi-billion movie series that appealed to people of all ages throughout the world, and stayed about as close to the spirit of the original comics and character as anyone could ever reasonably expect. To disavow him now, and as thoroughly as can be evidenced here, is extremely disappointing. I think Raimi would be at least as good as Jackson at pulling off another Tolkien movie, and he would find a way to strike a balance between drama and humor, wildly imaginative fantasy and mainstream accessibility - just as he has already done.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Kid Z...

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Im a yankee yankee.. and Actually I do go to pubs in NY, we call them either or... and I don't wear draws, thats what 80 year old woman call what i wear... I wear pants. And I know alot of people who say pickle for relish... none english...

  • May 9, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by avs28785

    Dude, you see eddie brock's skeletal structure when the bomb goes off. The only symbiote left is the shit connors has. But no eddie brock cuz he is definately dead. The movie wasn't good and it wasn't bad, it was blah. I was very dissapointed. I wanted to love this movie. It was just too cheesy. Everything felt forced. Everyone is focusing on the bad right now because its a shock. They wanted great. Don't say all the geeks loved it because we are the geeks

  • May 9, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I get

    by avs28785

    the star trek thing and i totally fucking agree. Peter Weir would be an interseting choice.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Sam Raimi was compelled to rewrite ...

    by ludmir88

    his badass original script in order to please Avi but not the fans about Venom (Spiderman 4 someone)?

  • May 9, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Fine... most of the geeks loved it

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    And I meant geeks as in... well not GEEKS geeks, but geeks. LOl... if that made sense. Like Im not a geek, but im a geek for certain things like Buffy... I mean those type of people.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Children of Hobbits

    by pipergates

    Cuaron would be a fantastic choice too. his was the best Potter.and he doesnt have the hack factor that jackson and Raimi has...

  • May 9, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I apologize for Raimi-bashing (oh, and thanks MNG!)

    by chrth

    I just couldn't resist. And you have to admit the Sandyman connection by itself was enough to spur satire.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Not Cuaron, please

    by chrth

    While I agree Azkaban was the best of the Potter films, the Hobbit does not possess the pathos that Cuaron excels at drawing out. I'd go so far as to say Chris Columbus would be a better choice for the Hobbit than Cuaron.<p> Of course, it's all moot anyway. There's no way the film would be better than the Rankin-Bass production.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST


    by Colonel_Blimp

    yes, it's raimi's fault. and the "I can't believe it's not Akiva"-writer. I thought I'd never say it, but that movie needed to be more streamlined, more Hollywood if you will. In a movie that's already stretching it's running time, I would rather have some scenes trying to cover over the gaping holes in plot and motivation than ten minute sing and dance and piano-jam routines and overlong "comic"reliefs such as the little girl with the camera and JJJameson. How hard would it be to edit that out when EVERYONE can see it's just overdone and poorly executed? I can't think of any other word than self indulgence. Which is the same problem King Kong had. Which makes me think that maybe PJ's not the best man for Hobbit either. Del Toro would rock! (see how I brought that back on topic, there?)

  • May 9, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Sam Raimi is a good director...

    by BrooseTheScharuk

    ...of schlock. And I really mean that as a compliment. He knows how to go right over the top with cheesy excess and broad humour. Having said that, A Simple Plan was a very successful exercise in restraint for him (and also my favourite Raimi for that reason). In general, though, when you want More! More! More! Raimi is a guy who will deliver. I refuse to give Spiderman 3 my money, because it is clearly a paycheck for everyone involved, and I no longer sacrifice my hard-earned funds to take a chance on a movie just because a marketing team waves pretty colours and lights in my face and says "come like this stuff" (and- being a huge nerd- I do "like this stuff"). As far as the Hobbit goes, I think Raimi would fuck it up. I think he would take a story that's supposed to feel like a long, eventful journey and turn it into "a race against time, with the future of a world hanging in the balance", or some such thing. And when it tried to be funny, it would try too hard. As a matter of fact, as much as I love LOTR (and that's a lot!), I think Peter Jackson would do pretty much the same thing, treating it as a "prequel" to his original trilogy- full of lame references and unnecessary cameos- and it would feel like little more than a somewhat better version of something George Lucas might shit out to expand his revenue-generating "property". In order to do that, he would have to give it some of the tone of LOTR, and THAT, my friends, is NOT The Hobbit. I don't want to hear ominous echoes of the ring's theme in the score every time Bilbo gazes at the magic jewelry in his hand. The Hobbit is a lighthearted kiddies tale with a few scary bits. What made LOTR- the book, I mean- cool was that it peeled back that layers of cheerful adventure and revealed a much darker and more desperate situation. It said "remember that funny little story about the little man and his magical little ring? Well, it turns out it's not so funny after all." The opportunity to pull that on the audience is- sadly- gone. In a world where The Hobbit and LOTR will both end up as movies, Jackson put the cart before the horse, dramatically speaking. That's not a criticism at all, because- in a world where only one Tolkien adaptation got made into a film- it would have to be LOTR. Having said all that, I think that the only hope of having any of that distinction in style and tone between Hobbit and LOTR that would have been there- along with that dramatic shift in mood that you get from reading the books in order- you need someone fresh, who is maybe not so beholden to the rings movies. I would be thrilled out of my mind if Peter Weir got his hands on it. He's one of the best filmmakers around, in my opinion. And if you look at his earlier Australian work- which no one seems to have mentioned here- you will see that even the Voyager company who do the Criterion Collection dvd's (and- some years ago- laserdiscs) thinks so. Picnic At Hanging Rock, The Last Wave, Gallipoli, and- yes- Master and Commander, are among my favourite movies ever. Can he do humour? Did you see The Truman Show? Certainly, his sense of whimsy is in full play there (I said whimsy, not flat-out hilarity). I also think that Weir would give us a much more real "you are there" sense of Middle Earth, with lots of dirt and texture. I think it might play more "real" than anything the other two might pull off. Sure, it would be seriously awesome if Guillermo Del Toro got on board, but that's never going to happen.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    This is for you Avi ...

    by ludmir88

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  • May 9, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    Peter Weir rules. Now get Freeman to play Bilbo and make a kick-ass kiddie film. Come on you all know it, THE HOBBIT is no LORD OF THE RINGS.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    OH! Didn't work

    by ludmir88


  • May 9, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Wait, MattyBoomStar, because of one ten-second sequence

    by Lenny Nero

    you hate an entire director's canon of work forever? Now that, good sir, is absolutely ridiculous. How much joy are you denying yourself because of ONE STUPID THING?

  • May 9, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    I was fine with him... Is it similar to the comic... well no, but neither is organic webbing, the goblin suit, etc... It was a good venom.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    gay hobbits

    by darwinwins

    i don't care if the hobbits were gay or not, but when it gets to the point that in every scene, your friends and you're wondering or yelling at the screen, "KISS! KISS! KISS!" it really adds to the humor value. the action scenes are fun still but the movies as a whole just can't be rewatched. fuck 'em hobbits, fucke em hard.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Kirstin Dunst as Gandalf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Forestal

    Emo Bilbo!!!!!!!! Come on, Raimi, let's drive another franchise into the ground!

  • May 9, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Norbit was "the best James Bond film" in many years

    by ScreamingPenis

    think about it before you respond.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    He didnt drive it into ground

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    3 great spidey movies isnt driving it into ground..

  • May 9, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    The reporter sequences sucks

    by ludmir88

    sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!big time. That old man in the tv news looks stupid!!

  • May 9, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah 3 great spidey movies.....

    by Forestal

    If you like your Spider-Man trilogy ending with an emo musical as its 3rd movie.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Peter Weir

    by ATARI

    and he says that this story is a bunch of sh*t.

  • May 9, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by BrooseTheScharuk

    You are absolutely right!! I have been mulling over who might play Bilbo forever, and you just hit the nail right on the head. Martin Freeman! Brilliant!!

  • May 9, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Emo Musical?

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    how do you figure that?!!?!?

  • May 9, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Spiderman Trilogy DVD SET !!!

    by ludmir88

    with a polystone figure of Peter Parker crying like a bitch. $99.99 please.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST


    by Automaton Overlord

    I agree, piper. Y tu mama tambien had that deep hypnotic feel that makes you actualy care about the characters and their situation, and with with Prisoner of Azkaban being so strong and faithfull as an adaptation of a well loved book. Cuaron's definitley got the chops for the hobbit.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    "Pubs" in the States...

    by Kid Z

    ... Are usually those fake-ass "Irish pubs" with lots of shamrock decor, no actual Irish people, some moron with a guitar doing bad acoustic renditions of old Pogues songs, and lots of that goddawful, watered-down, second-rate, made expressly for export fakeGuiness. Places to be avoided at all costs. And 80 year old grannies wear compression hose, not "draws"!

  • May 9, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    El Hobbito...?

    by Bone-In Foray

    Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but how 'bout Guillermo Del Toro taking the reigns? He seems like a talented young man, and I really think he's really going places.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    them hobbits was gay dammit

    by darwinwins

    at least they might as well have been. "oh sam!" "oh frodo!" even my gay friends agreed that them hobbits might as well have made out on screen. then that last shot of them bouncing on the bed. that was the kicker.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Both Jackson and Rami

    by Fabulous Freak

    need to work on original material instead of resurrecting/ re-envisioning old shiat. Get Weir on board, or somebody else who will be sufficiently intimidated enough to be inventive and humble in the approach.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Gregory Hoblit

    by palimpsest

    Just for the puns.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by trombone

    You have to back up the Spider-Man 3 is "great". What else goes in your "great" category, YIG?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Fucking Turncoat

    by antonphd

    One not perfect movie of a super hero after a career of amazing work and suddenly it's "Raimi’s increasing lack of style" time now? It's one goddamn movie. Give me a break. THAT was just fucked up.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST


    by 300 monkeys

    You can still watch the awesome Two Towers, as most of the insanely over-the-top male bonding business is in the last part of Fellowship and all over that messy Return of the King. Never struck me as particularly gay, but I agree that Fellowship is impossible to watch because of Sam & Frodo. "Oh, Sam! You are so good and true!" (Never mind how badly they mangled Sam's character: he's supposed to be a little guy, so that his confrontations with Gollum were actual acts of courage instead of the bullying they appeared to be onscreen, to Frodo and to all the rest of us. I have nothing against Sean Astin, but he was THE worst possible choice.)

  • May 9, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Thinking about it, though...

    by palimpsest

    1) Jackson, 2) Cuaron, 3) Gilliam, 4) Matthew Vaughn, depending on the reaction to STARDUST, 5) Weir (nice idea, though) 6) Raimi (he really doesn't need this kind of franchise right now, though. Back to the woods and find yourself, Samuel). Hollywood being what it is, Rob Cohen will probably get the gig. If anyone has any real balls outh there, though, they'd give John Boorman the job. EXCALIBUR 2: GOBLIN BOOGALOO, anyone..?

  • May 9, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    sam raimi's issue

    by darwinwins

    why is spidey emo in the movies? why can't we have smartass spidey without the emo issues? christ, he's like a cry baby child who wasn't hit enough. aunt may can go die in a fire. they overplay those scenes way too much. every time she comes on screen, i want to reach into the screen and choke the life out of her old saggy body.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    ron howard

    by darwinwins

    he brought us WILLOW! plus that movie had a lot of midgets in it.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Peter Weir is a great director

    by CuervoJones

    I love Picnic at Hanging Rock. That movie is so creepy.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    george lucas

    by darwinwins

    why not, right? i mean he makes three absolute pieces of crap and alllll of you saw it anyway. and i hate every one of you for it.

  • May 9, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by wolvenom

    Fuck jackson and the bag of money he rode in on. He can go shove gold and diamond encrusted broom up his butt all the way to tim-buck-too. That greedy fucking sycophantic "I CREATED LORD OF THE RINGS!" bullshit master. TOLKIEN FUCKING CREATED LORD OF THE RINGS... all Peter 'moneybags' Jackson did was transcribe it to film taking only the juicey parts while using some kickass cgi and special effects... Us fucking tolkien lovers who've read the trilogy a dozen times love him because he did what is the simplest fucking thing for any director to do (but so many fuck up doing it) thats adapting a book to screen by paying respect to what made it so popular in the first place. As long as we get a director that acknowledges what made the hobbit so popular in the first place (ie a magical children's book that transported many young peoples imaginations into a beautifully immersive world of dragons, dwarves, wizards, and hobbits)then we have nothing to worry about. THIS IS A FUCKING GREAT SIGN THAT THEY'RE COURTING THE GUY WHO DID MASTER AND COMMANDER BECAUSE FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD HE FUCKING STAYED TRUE TO WHAT MADE THOSE BOOKS SO POPULAR IN THE FIRST PLACE BY STUDYING THE CHARACTERS AND STAYING TRUE TO THE STORY.... SAM RAIMI IS A GOOD CHOICE TOO BASED ON THE FIRST TWO SPIDERMANS BECAUSE HE PAID RESPECT TO THE SOURCE OF WHY SPIDERMAN IS HELD TO BE ONE OF THE GREATEST COMIC HEROES EVER... UNFORTUNATELY SAM RETARD RAIMI FUCKED THAT UP WHEN HE DID SPIDERMAN 3.. he ran out of fuel and fucked up not only venom's character, but peter parker's reason for being spiderman, sandman's imcomprehensible motives, and making maryjane a retard by breaking up with peter as some kind of fucking revenge for harry? LIKE THAT MAKES ANY FUCKING SENSE... everyone in the fucking theatre laughed at that part,... like she cant send him a signal or something or tell him at the bar when he's acting all emo? THE FUCKING EMO PART! DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE EMO PART!! Probably cause he doesn't like venom very much..he's still a fucking jerk for treating venom so poorly

  • May 9, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by Mr_X

    <p>well i thought king dong was self indulgent. but he knows the tolkein universe. Why on middle-earth would you mess up a good thing?</p> <p> think about this greedy execs, the lord of the ring trilogy is the only trilogy that didn't turn to complete shit. With him at the helm he completely delivered</p> <p> pay him mofos</p>

  • May 9, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST


    by wolvenom

    I want to see a fucking hobbit movie that pays respect to the source. If peter jackson gets his greedy sticky fingerson on the hobbit then all we're going to get is another lord of the rings... HOBBIT IS NOT LORD OF THE RINGS! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS JACKSON LOVERS!!! hobbit should me more like a harry potter movie... light hearted for the most part, some seriousness and gravita, but mostly light hearted awe inspiring. It should be an introduction to the world of middle-earth not some fucking epic garbage like LOTR ... I dont want to see the battle of five armies get drawn out for 3 hours while completely ignoring what bilbo is doing during that time.... I dont want to see a fucking cut away to what sauron and sauruman are doing in mirkwood (you can hint at it because its hinted at at the end of the book) and i dont want to see the ring taking over bilbo like its making him all evil and shit cause it never does in the hobbit..... I want to see THE TRICKSTER BILBO BAGGINS... not the DRUG ADDICTED LEPPER BILBO BAGGINS... you get that through your thick heads JACKSON LOVERS?

  • May 9, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    What Raimi should do now is...

    by trombone

    A Stallone style AICN interview. He might, just might, win some respect back for standing up and facing the Geek-music

  • May 9, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I want the original script of spiderman 3!!!

    by ludmir88

    I'm sure there is no Venom. Full Sandman all the time!! and of course no crying and dance stuff. DAMN YOU Avi Arad.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by trombone

    THAT is a GREAT idea. I want to see it too. So it's possible Raimi just did a hissy about them not trusting him?

  • May 9, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Or shoud THE HOBBIT be

    by palimpsest

    What CARAVAN OF COURAGE was to STAR WARS? Discuss...!

  • May 9, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    GOOD POINT about the caravan of courage

    by ludmir88

    but that sucked like star wars. mehh

  • May 9, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    10 reasons why New Line NEEDS PJ to direct the Hobbit

    by melanarus

    Here is a list of 20 reasons why New line must get Peter Jackson to direct the Hobbit: 1- Getting any actors back to do the Hobbit like for Gandalf or Gollum. 2- Weta for creating the effects, designs and making of everything in middle earth. (Who the heck do New Line plan on getting to design and CG for the film anyways?) 3- the Saul Zaentz Company owns Tolkien Enterprises and Saul also owns distribution rights for the Hobbit and wants PJ. 4- Getting the writing team to write the Hobbit and the LOTR prequel. 5- Getting Howard Shore for the soundtrack. (Basically getting ANYONE involved from the LOTR trilogy is not going to happen.) 6- Filming in New Zealand. Let's just say the Hobbit might not be welcome to film there without PJ and company. 7- Merchandising. The LOTR was merchandised heavily and the Hobbit will probably not be very successful here without a really good, beloved movie. 8- Movie goers making mulitple viewings of the film at the theater and buying the multiple DVD sets. I'd see the Hobbit movie once in the theater but probably not buy the 2-dvd set and the 4 dvd special edition of the movie. 9- What happens when Wingnut films (PJ) wins the lawsuit against New Line and they look like assholes and didn't let PJ and crew do the Hobbit. WTF! 10- Why the heck take the risk and trouble to get another director and all the people involved with the LOTR and location, tried and true formula justs seems like the right idea. How the hell can New Line can and it's President (or Vice) Michael Lynne can think this is a good idea, it's not!

  • May 9, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Alright, whose got the fuckin' ouija board?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Cause wolvenom must be channeling Ringwearer9. Goddamn. Astral-project much, ass?

  • May 9, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Id be very surprised if they couldn't get Ian Mckellen

    by wolvenom

    back for the hobbit without Peter Jackson... I know the bs where he's said he wouldn't do it without peter jackson but seriously come on?!?! how fucking close were they really? As long as they throw a whole shit load of money at ian mckellen I'm sure he's going to do it.... even if he doesn't who gives a shit... they got someone new for dumbledore they can get someone new for gandalf.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    MNG: I was thinking the same thing

    by chrth

    Except for the 'ass' part, I'm not one to criticize without provocation.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    I'm not ringwearer9

    by wolvenom

    you peter jackson lovers and your conspiracies

  • May 9, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    They got someone new for Dumbledork because Richard Harris FUCKIN' DIED.<P>And it's interesting to see that you think so little of Sir Ian McKellen that he would jump up and down on one leg for a "whole shit load of money".

  • May 9, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    after all they're not going to have ian holmes back...

    by wolvenom

    so wouldn't it be strange with ian mckellen back? its like making a spidey 4 with kirsten dunst and no tobey mgguire...

  • May 9, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Don't die Ian McKellen

    by ludmir88

    not yet.!!!!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Dumb comparison

    by MetiphisLabs

    Comparing Spiderman 3 to Batman and Robbin loses you all of your film judging cred immediately when you say it. It's a stupid extremist reactionary thing to do and really seperates the smart thinkers from the knee jerk, thoughtless goons that say it. Also in the Spiderman comics Venom could regenerate fully if just a little tiny piece of him was left. So cut the Venom died whining out soon ok?

  • May 9, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Ha! Yeah, sorry about the "ass" part.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    M&S / Raimi Bashing

    by roachy

    First off. WOW! I never thought of comparing the two but when you think about it, it IS the best Star Trek movie in ages. Now, while I personally don't condone the level of Raimi bashing going around, I do think with all the creative freedom he had, he should have stuck to his guns(and not Avi Arads) and left Venon and the whole black suit storyline out. It just didn't work. Not one bit. I think Topher Grace was a fine Venon and what not but with considering how little he was involved in the plot as a whole and the way they handled Venon talking, they definitely should have left it out. Kudos go to Raimi for managing to still make such a packed story coherant though.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Master & Commander

    by odysseus

    Awesome (and underappreciated) movie, with a great director.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Somebody explain that comparison!!!!

    by ludmir88

    don't get it!!!

  • May 9, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by odysseus

    I do fear that if Jackson tackles HOBBIT, he may not bring the same creative brio he did to LOTR. Remember, the once-heralded Raimi is now being accused of creative burnout on SPIDEY 3. Besides, Jackson's far from perfect -- witness his clunky, indulgent KING KONG.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Star Trek comparison

    by naked_mandy

    Damn, that's actually really apt. Of course, as Nicholas Meyer loves to point out, Star Trek was inspired by Horatio Hornblower. But also, the Aubrey/Maturin relationship is reminiscent of Kirk/Spock, especially with Maturin going off to collect all the scientific samples. The battles and tactics are not far removed from Star Trek. Yeah, too bad "Nemesis" was about 8% as good as "Master and Commander."

  • May 9, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Raimi recap

    by MetiphisLabs

    Evil Dead 1 (Amazing, innovative!) Evil Dead 2 (Innovative again and with Humor this time!) Army of Darkness (Cult Classic, Spawned numerous catch phrases) Darkman (Not the most popular Raimi outing, but not bad either) Simple Plan (Brilliant film, a classic) Spiderman 1 (In the upper echelons of comic book movie adaptations in terms of quality) Spiderman 2 (Considered one of the best comic book movies of all time by far more than think otherwise) Spiderman 3 (Dissapointing to our expectations! FUCK Raimi and all of his past accomplishments, burn him at the stake, wipe away everything waaaa waaaa Raimi is a monster) You sound like spoiled brats, seriously, cut the guy some fucking slack. Frankly he's a more amazing storyteller than all of his detractors here. He wins.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    oh, and Peter Jackson...

    by naked_mandy

    Peter Jackson MUST come back for this. Even though his sensibility might be a little too bizarre and dark for a story as light as "The Hobbit" (and the same can be said for Raimi - both started as low-budget horror-comedy directors, after all), PJ OWNS the film Middle-Earth. It would just feel wrong having someone else in there. I want to see Jackson's Bag End, and McKellan and Weaving, Jackson's Rivendell, and so forth.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Raimi should be held accountable because...

    by jslstrauss

    Spiderman 3 is one of the most expensive movies ever made, and just like Superman Returns last year, the studio let it become the director's pet project. You can sit there and say that he loves the character of Spiderman and knows more about his inner-workings than most anyone else, but the fact remains that people aren't paying to see a Sam Raimi movie - they are paying to see a Spiderman movie. Go on and complain all you want, but in Spiderman 3 his direction ceased to be a style and became self-indulgent. If Peter Parker's turn to the dark side - as they are hailing it in the media - was supposed to induce laughter at every turn, then I guess they succeeded. But when I saw this movie last Thursday night at midnight, the feeling of disappointment was palpable. Nobody could take this shit seriously. There was a smattering of applause when the credits rolled, but most everyone was talking about how silly and stupid half the scenes in the film were - and how heavy-handed all the "dramatic" moments were. Raimi had a fucking obligation to make this movie as good as it was big, and he failed in most every respect. And why? Because he forgot this was a highly-anticipated blockbuster, and directed instead a personal, inconsistent, incongruous piece of shit. Quit being a fucking apologist because you like the man's other work. You and I both know that if any "lesser" director were to pull this horseshit you'd be on this board typing your goddamn brains out like the rest of us. I'm a fan of Raimi's other work, but I'm willing to admit he royally screwed this one up. And don't tell me I can't feel cheated because I didn't read the comic books or yada-yada-yada, the fact that this was a comic book movie doesn't excuse its poor execution. Toss this one into the shockingly disappointing bin right after Batman & Robin and Superman Returns.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by pipergates

    Oh i think there's plenty of pathos for Quaron to work on in the story of the Hobbit. It might be a simple story but there's a lot of things going on underneath the surface. Columbu's films lack character in my opinion. And i believe most any possible versions would be better than the Rankin-Bass one... Martin Freeman would be perfect as Bilbo man, great idea! And right, whoever does it better not try to change the story to make it more epic or include material that wasnt in the book or all us Tolkienintes will certainly go rabid.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Bilbo Freeman!!!

    by pipergates

    Oh i think there's plenty of pathos for Quaron to work on in the story of the Hobbit. It might be a simple story but there's a lot of things going on underneath the surface. Columbu's films lack character in my opinion. And i believe most any possible versions would be better than the Rankin-Bass one... Martin Freeman would be perfect as Bilbo man, great idea! And right, whoever does it better not try to change the story to make it more epic or include material that wasnt in the book or all us Tolkienintes will certainly go rabid.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by Darth Melkor

    With a new director, and probably a new Bilbo, and the lack of Peter Jackson's effects company, they should just make the Hobbit a stand alone film, not try to link it to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. All new actors, all new everything.

  • May 9, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    morGoth?¿Why is the dragon nasty?

    by pipergates

    "a really, really nasty dragon who lives via the spirit of Morgoth." Could you please elaborate? What do you mean lives via the spirit of Morgoth? Why is it more nasty than other dragons? sounds intriguing...

  • May 9, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    Or Peter Weir considering all the love being heaped on him for being made into a alterative for Raimi. Come on. Does any of Weir's movies say "Hobbit" to any of you? Plus, Weir has Shadow Divers for 2009 so if New Line needs a 2009 Hobbit its Jackson or Raimi. Make your bets...

  • May 9, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Weir has always been my first choice for The Hobbit

    by Cameron1

    Jackson would make it too sombre, too much slow-mo and he'd tack on a fucking romance too. Raimi has proven he can't handle large casts. He's pretty fantastic with a small cast and an average budget but when he's got a big cast and a lot of story to cover he seems to mess it up. The Hobbit should move at a rollicking pace it'll still have to be 3 hours to do it any kind of justice but it' a fast, fun children's story at the end of the day.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    McKellen is the only Gandalf

    by pipergates

    i dont see anybody doing that role better. Or most other roles either. Did anybody see him as Richard the third? He was so impressive it made the hairs on my neck stand up. Its also got to be made in New Zealand, and with Weta of course. I say Quaron, Vaughn or Del Toro directs, with Jackson as producer. That means settling with the man, New Line!

  • May 9, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST


    by Err

    And just as crappy!

  • May 9, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST


    by Frank Black

    Has a pretty open schedule. His next film with Chris Tucker and Eddie Murphy seems far off. Watch New Line dangle him a carrot so he can destroy The Hobbit like he did X-Men. They better swallow their pride and get Jackson back (on that note I hear people defend Kin Kong all of the time but I never hear from anyone who LOVE IT! I did not and preferred ALL of the previous Kongs to his, so...)

  • May 9, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    colonel blimp

    by Cameron1

    re: Weir being too much of an Auteur...hmm I wouldn't say so reallt. Master and Commander proves he can handle a big studio picture with complicated large scale sequnces, he can create an enitrely believable world in a setting that is very far removed from modern life and he has gift for beautiful visuals. I can understand what you mean but I think he's got enough experience nowadays to tackle this kind of project. And I always thought Jamie Bell would make a good Bilbo, he'd get that jumpy nervousness slowly being replaced by experience and smarts and courage he didn't know he had.

  • May 9, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    George Miller George Miller George Miller George Miller

    by Calico Pete

    Seriously. None of you has anything to say about this absolutely perfect choice?!?!

  • May 9, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    sam (the man) raimi stop with the raimi bashing

    by the_mighty_boosh

    what is going on with the raimi bashing? every one wants to get a grip why cant we njoy films for what they are, sam raimi made a good movie not great no but strong enough to take 151 million opening weekend why do we have critique every movie every camera angle every effect, sam raimi is a talent and always has been. why can we not njoy films for films sake like we did when we where kids we went in with no illusions just to see a film we wanted to see because the poster looked cool or you'ed seen the trailer or was by a director you loved that was it and nine times out of ten you came away satisfied happy and lookin forward to the video release all every one wants to see is flashy effects all style over content no heart, spiderman 3 had the flash but had a li'l heart toyes it was a bit of a mess in partsand some stuff seemed a li'l shoe horned in but raimi never wanted a venom movie the geeks did the studio put the preassure on he caved simple as take away venom it would have been a classic the sand man stuff was touching so was the harry stuff it had heart,the action set pieces look amazing to the film is flawed true but raimi is still a fantastic director and will go on to make more great movies if he does the hobbit great but we want another evildead movie!! all i'm saying really is lets get back to our inner child where films are concerened just watch and njoy dont critersize films are fun good or bad just enjoy and all go see this is england the little film that can..

  • May 9, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    and also

    by the_mighty_boosh

    at least it wasn't another x-men 3 that was not a great film i njoyed it but was dissapointed why because it had no heart the others did nuff said

  • May 9, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by Damned if I can login

    Tell it like it *is*. man! Beautiful.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST


    by BrooseTheScharuk a term coined by emotionally stunted TV-bots who can't relate to any human qualities besides greed, self-preservation, covetousness, sadistic voyeurism, vengefulness, and indifferent detachment. If there were more "whiney" people out there, who actually felt pain at rejection, loss, misunderstanding, tragedy; if people in general could actually still muster a little empathy, mutual respect, feelings of deep friendship that might be mistaken by slack-jawed simpletons as "gay", a sense of horror when faced with the acts of cruelty and disregard we perpetrate on one another- we might actually have some sort of a viable future as a species. As it is, this de-sensitized generation will likely meet its own apocalypse glued to the television- as always- while the real world and its pussies crying candy-ass tears falls apart outside. If you think crying betrays weakness, the odds are that you've probably never had anything real happen to you in your life. You probably giggle when someone tells you they love you (if that's ever happened). I feel sad for you. Sincerely. I guess that makes me Emo. It's official: I'm a gay.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan to play Gandalf

    by DANZIGG

    You shall not pass BROTHER!

  • May 9, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan to play Gandalf

    by DANZIGG

    You shall not pass BROTHER!

  • May 9, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Peter Weir made a brilliant film,Picnic at Hanging Rock

    by Demosthenes2

    It was a simple story, and there was nothing that happened that should have made it as creepy as it was. Weir was excellent with atmosphere. Truman Show's great too. But of course we'd all just like the time to pass so that the rights can go back to Jackson.

  • May 9, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan to play Gandalf

    by DANZIGG

    You shall not pass BROTHER!

  • May 9, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I vote for another director besides Jackson

    by BannedOnTheRun

    The old animated Hobbit had a cool Gollum, the animated LOTR had a cool (but very different) Gollum, and the live action trilogy had a cool (but very different) Gollum. I don't consider Jackson inseparable from the project. Now, if Kirsten were to leave...

  • May 9, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Can we just lay off raimi?

    by cdubbs727

    Seriously, what's with the Raimi bashing? The man made some great, fun horror movies back in the day. He made A Simple Plan, one of the most twisted and brilliant thrillers of the past few years. And he made Spiderman and Spiderman 2, two of the great superhero movies. And yes, he made Spiderman 3. Which wasn't great. But it was a decent movie. It was fun and entertaining, but harmed by overhype and being rushed by the studios. So what? It's a COMIC BOOK MOVIE!! It's not art. And neither is The Hobbit. It's just a fun fantasy story. If Raimi's chosen for the Hobbit, that's fine by me. If Peter Weir chosen, that's good too. It Del Toro happened to be offered it...well, that would be better than good.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit: Far Side of the Middle Earth World

    by skycrapper

    Well if they have an awesome subtitle and Russell Crowe with a ponytail, success!

  • May 9, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    i love this news

    by Lt. Kaffee

    i love master and commander. it's subtle and moving, which is EXACTLY how the hobbit should be. understated yet filled with adventure. the hobbit is completely different than lord of the rings in both scope and tone. peter jackson was all wrong, peter weir is great. i hope this is true.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    I've never really been a fan of Sam Raimi's style.

    by brokentusk

    It's not very professional. What I mean is, all his films are shot very wildly - with odd camera angles and a very rapid pace as far as the editing is concerned. I don't mean to sound like I hate Sam Raimi, I think his style suits certain films perfectly... just not films that should be treated as epics. I feel that way about his SPIDER-MAN films... I certainly don't want him anywhere near THE HOBBIT. What Jackson got so right about (most) of THE LORD OF THE RINGS was in the way in which he took his time telling the story (I have issues with the start of FELLOWSHIP because of the way it moves so fast to get the story going). I could go on about how Peter Jackson should be allowed to go back to the world he brought to life on screen, but I can't really add anything other people haven't already said. No Jackson, no HOBBIT.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I've never really been a fan of Sam Raimi's style.

    by brokentusk

    It's not very professional. What I mean is, all his films are shot very wildly - with odd camera angles and a very rapid pace as far as the editing is concerned. I don't mean to sound like I hate Sam Raimi, I think his style suits certain films perfectly... just not films that should be treated as epics. I feel that way about his SPIDER-MAN films... I certainly don't want him anywhere near THE HOBBIT. What Jackson got so right about (most) of THE LORD OF THE RINGS was in the way in which he took his time telling the story (I have issues with the start of FELLOWSHIP because of the way it moves so fast to get the story going). I could go on about how Peter Jackson should be allowed to go back to the world he brought to life on screen, but I can't really add anything other people haven't already said. No Jackson, no HOBBIT.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    What Star Trek film is better?

    by Mgmax

    C'mon, really. Is someone really going to make a case for The Wrath of Khan being BETTER than Master and Commander?

  • May 9, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I've never really been a fan of Sam Raimi's style.

    by brokentusk

    It's not very professional. What I mean is, all his films are shot very wildly - with odd camera angles and a very rapid pace as far as the editing is concerned. I don't mean to sound like I hate Sam Raimi, I think his style suits certain films perfectly... just not films that should be treated as epics. I feel that way about his SPIDER-MAN films... I certainly don't want him anywhere near THE HOBBIT. What Jackson got so right about (most) of THE LORD OF THE RINGS was in the way in which he took his time telling the story (I have issues with the start of FELLOWSHIP because of the way it moves so fast to get the story going). I could go on about how Peter Jackson should be allowed to go back to the world he brought to life on screen, but I can't really add anything other people haven't already said. No Jackson, no HOBBIT.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I've never really been a fan of Sam Raimi's style.

    by brokentusk

    It's not very professional. What I mean is, all his films are shot very wildly - with odd camera angles and a very rapid pace as far as the editing is concerned. I don't mean to sound like I hate Sam Raimi, I think his style suits certain films perfectly... just not films that should be treated as epics. I feel that way about his SPIDER-MAN films... I certainly don't want him anywhere near THE HOBBIT. What Jackson got so right about (most) of THE LORD OF THE RINGS was in the way in which he took his time telling the story (I have issues with the start of FELLOWSHIP because of the way it moves so fast to get the story going). I could go on about how Peter Jackson should be allowed to go back to the world he brought to life on screen, but I can't really add anything other people haven't already said. No Jackson, no HOBBIT.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Apologies for the million posts!

    by brokentusk

    Sorry guys, there's something wrong with this server. Hopefully the extra posts will get deleted or something.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Peter Weir...

    by jimmy rabbitte the one name that I can't disagree with out of hand. Master and Commander was one of the best films of the last 3 or 4 years. <p> ...and Merrick calling it the best Star Trek film in years is not a stretch at all. Any action film could take a lesson from M & C.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Too good to be true

    by Gozu

    Sam Raimi just made Sony over $300 million in one weekend. Weir is a much better director, but the bottom line is his films have made less money. Still, Weir is definitely the better choice and I hope they choose talent over hype.

  • May 9, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST



    is a pure twat...

  • May 9, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    How Quickly You Geeks Turn

    by Ky-El

    A month ago you would have given your first born to have Raimi direct "The Hobbit". Now one film later he's sudden sloppy and bad choice? Please! Spidey 3 wasn't that bad. Not as as good as 1 & 2 but not a career killer for godsake!

  • May 9, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    peter jackson

    by silent 1

    the hobbit has to be shot by pete jackson no question other directors would find some way to fuck it up and it has to be shot here in New Zealand

  • May 9, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    For my part I've always felt that way about Raimi.

    by brokentusk

    It wasn't just SPIDER-MAN 3 that "turned me against him". I have MASSIVE issues with the first two SPIDER-MAN films. In any case, SPIDER-MAN 3 was far from a career killer - isn't the guy who directed STEALTH now making THE MUMMY 3? Raimi will be fine.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    the Hobbit is some of the finest literature ever

    by pipergates

    and not just some kiddies adventure, and aparently some people doesnt understand that...if they make the movie it has to be made by some that does understand it.

  • May 9, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Weir is a much better choice.

    by superninja

    Breathing a sigh of relief.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah, my issue with Raimi on The Hobbit has

    by superninja

    always been his inability to cool it with the RaimiCam, or the HamCam, take your pick. Besides, I don't want Bilbo murdering people and then tearfully forgiving Gollum at the end and handing him the ring.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    God, you losers are... well, losers

    by omarthesnake

    Raimi is suddenly a pariah because you didn't approve of how he handled venom, a character forced on him to begin with? Boo fucking hoo. Was Spidey3 perfect? No, it was too long, and didn't make the best use of THChurch, but it's by far, by God, by The Soul of Stan Lee, the BEST third movie in a superhero franchise ever. None of its flaws are even vaguely career-killers, and you guys working your panties into a knot are just funny to watch. Raimi is still a fine director, and would be a good choice for Hobbit. So would some other contenders, so it's no big deal one way or the other.

  • May 9, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Peter Weir, good choice; George Miller GREAT choice

    by Orbots Commander

    to direct the Hobbit. I'd watch a Hobbit movie directed by either one of those guys. After catching Happy Feet with my little nephew while also remembering the bad-ass Road Warrior and the also great Babe, I'm convinced George Miller is perfect for The Hobbit adaptation. But again, Peter Weir is a fine choice as well.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Peter Weir could nail it.

    by dregmobile

    That's the first name I've heard that is as good as Jackson's. No Raimi, please.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Hobbit Without Jackson = Nipples On Batman

    by MarkoOhNo

    Seriously. A Hobbit just isn't a Hobbit without the tangy zip of Peter Jackson.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    My my, did New Line drop a name on AICN?

    by Drath

    Oh, those coy bitch fuckers! Get back Jackson or give up your hopes of any remaining prestige.

  • May 9, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Omarthesnake Has A Point

    by MarkoOhNo

    Although it isn't saying much, Spidey 3 is by far the BEST 3rd film in a superhero series. Superman 3: wank. Batman Forever: wank & then some. Spiderman 3: eh, it's okay. Keep up the good work, Hollywood - you're improving! lol

  • May 9, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by hallmitchell

    New line: You really want to risk this so you can rip Peter off. Anyway would rather see Weir than Raimi. For some reason I don't want to see an American on this.

  • May 9, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    my god people Peter Jackson is not that fucking good

    by oscarmike

    stop acting like the world would come to an end if he didn't direct the fucking movie. shit

  • May 9, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see Cuaron's take on THE HOBBIT

    by AICN Nazi

    Yeah, I know it's been said before, but getting Cuaron would be great. George Miller would be awesome also, but don't his films usually take years and years to complete? Don't want to wait 10 years to see THE HOBBIT.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST


    by zillabeast

    Watch the madness unfold.

  • May 9, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    on Master & Commander

    by Deadwood Dan

    One of my top five films for the past 15 years or so. I'd watch a Weir directed Hobbit any day of the week.

  • May 10, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    YES!!!!! Weir would be an incerdible choice!

    by Laserbrain

    He's one of the greatest filmmakers alive. M & C was an extraordinarily directed work. Bring it on!

  • May 10, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    It's not that PJ himself's the new messiah...

    by FuzzyWhisper

    ...despite how many of his critics seem to be accusing those who would have him direct the Hobbit of claiming. The main point, as I see it, is that Peter Jackson managed to rally a tremendously talented team of passionate individuals whose unique contributions--not strictly the director's personal vision--played a a crucial role in molding the Lord of the Rings films into the widely celebrated trilogy it is today. Of course, where PJ goes a veritable army of these specially qualified people follows. Without their creative drive (not to mention the experience gained during the production of LOTR) to see The Hobbit through, I believe it's nowhere near unreasonable to suggest that the film would be a dismal parody of its potential greatness. A director as brilliant as ten Peter Jacksons wouldn't be able to prevent that.

  • May 10, 2007, 3:27 a.m. CST

    In a perfect world, this would actually happen

    by Stollentroll

    Great choice.

  • May 10, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Weir over Raimi anyday, but Jackson over the both of..

    by Jugs

    ..them. Sounds almost pornografic. Weir has already worked with a hobbit..Pippin!

  • May 10, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 is just FURTHER proof...

    by Cameron1

    that Raimi can't handle big budget, cgi intensive movies with a large cast and story. All these people bitchign that people are only hating on Raimi for SP3 are desperately trying to cling to some frail hope that Raimi is a blockbuster director. He's not. He's a funny, innovative director but he ain't got the chops for something of this scale. And why oh why do people want Jackson back? I loved FOTR in the cinemas the first 3 times but all the rest have pulled me back for 1 showing and 1 look at the Extended Editions, they are overwrought obsessed with thier own epicness films that have a wildly uneven pace and invented subplots that are TOTALLY needless. Give The Hobbit to someone who can handle a big fun fast paced movie and not to a self indulgent geek.

  • May 10, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I keep hearing how Sam Raimi's invested in the 6os era

    by Mr_Sleep001

    Spidey and that's why he should be given a break. The problem is he did away will most of Spidey's wisecracking and even tried to update the Green Goblin to some techno villain rather than the classic insane Halloween loving gimp. He got the character right, but the look so wrong. The reason why there's this Raimi bashing is because we're told how he's so invested in the Spidey story yet he lets his brother write the sloppiest script of the series so far.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    RE: t.piper.gates

    by morGoth

    Walp, I didn’t say he was more or less nastier than other uruloki (dragons), just nasty in general. Meaning, in one example, the way he lied **SPOILER** to poor Neinor which set her up for her incestuous relationship with her (unbeknown to her) brother Turin. Like Sauron putting much of his spirit into the One Ring, Morgoth chose to dissipate his strength into the very fiber of Arda (earth) itself thereby spreading his evil nature throughout everything. However, when he came up with Glaurung, the father of his uruloki brood, he choose to directly possess the beast with a good bit of his own spirit thereby making it somewhat of his avatar…a huge fire-breathing avatar at that! Glaurung then helped in carrying out Motgoth’s curse on Hurin’s children by making sure Turin and all he loved or befriended came to death and misfortune. Hope I haven’t been overly general with my explanation but I don’t know your familiarity with the backstory. <p> If you’ve read the Hobbit, then you have a good sense of Glaurung since Smaug seemed to be equally adept at lying. <p> Like your posting handle by the way.

  • May 10, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    thanks morGoth

    by pipergates

    Interesting.I'm just a low to middle-level Tolkienite, meaning i dont claim much knowledge beyond the Hobbit and Lotr.But i started reading the Hobbit when i was about 7 and have re-read those books five times since,in two different languages.It was one of the works of literature that helped me learn to love the english language.And each time i read them drew all the characters.It made a big pile of drawings.

  • May 10, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST


    by NHRonin

    ...we'll never see Kirsten Dunce in the role she was born to play. "My precious...."

  • May 10, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Good news, considering..

    by Spidey3SUCKED

    SPIDER-MAN 3 SUCKED!! I like Raimis other stuff, including spider-man 1, but he has lost his fucking mind. Do we need a dancing fucking Bilbo for half the movie? Jackson haters, hey you're welcome to your opinion, as I am welcome to my opinion about Spidey 3 being a putrid diaper filed with horse cum and roaches. But I feel the Hobbit without PJ at the helm will be a lesser film. I would love to be surprised though.

  • May 10, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Neither Jackson or Raimi has made a film as great as...

    by workshed

    ...Weir's 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' and i doubt they ever will. Some films don't require sfx to be magical and other-worldly. I personally would love to see Weir take on a blockbuster like Hobbit as his films are never less than watchable. With source material as strong as Tolkien and a tight control over filming i think this could be a winner. And if you wanted to know the current artistic state of Raimi just look at the press conference Danny Elfman gave about his ex-best friend.

  • May 10, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Best Star Trek in years!

    by magnetoelectric

    HELLS YEAH!!I think I coined that.Glad to know im not alone in my beliefs! Now get off your butt and make another one Weir.I cant imagine ANYONE involved in the first not wanting to return

  • May 30, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Neither Jackson nor Rami are needed for a good Hobbit

    by arthazalolorin

    Peter Jackson did a good and attentive job of directing a Great work. End of story. He is not the new Tolkien, he is not Eru the One, and he is not a pre-requisite for anything and everything set in the epic long ago of this Middle-Earth. George Lucas created Star Wars and Jim Henson created cult classics like Labryinth, and those stories could not have been done without their creator/directors., LOTR has been a widely beloved masterpiece since before Peter was born. Who even knew who Peter was before this? I nearly had a stroke when I learned that THe Frightners director was doing LOTR. All LOTR required was for a director not to fuck it up. And Peter did a good job of not fucking it up. Were there errors. Uh, yeah. Gandalf's lightning and fire, one of his trademarks in the book (if there are any who can see in this storm, I at least am revealed. I have all but written 'Gandalf is here' in words that can be read from Rivendell to the mouth of Anduin.") is almost entirely absent, the end of ROTK does too little with the elves passage, and then there is the business of Denethor getting kicked into the fire by Shadowfax. . . no palantir by the way. Anyway, Jackson did great, but the films were at their best in the places where he stayed true to Tolkien. There are a number of talented directors from Ford Copalla, to Ron Howard, to Ridely Scott and Wolfgang Petersen, who have shown through their own previous projects (Willow, Legend, the original Neverending Story [the only good one in that series]) that they all have an affinity for Tolkien's works. Also, the Hobbit is related to the Lord of The Rings, but not identical to it. The approach must be as thorough, but the end result should not be quite as somber. A fresh perspective could work well, if the passion and skill are present. I WOULD LIKE to see two HOBBIT FILMS, but NOT in a back to back tie in way. The Hobbit needs to be done as an individual movie, open to children and adults like The Potter films & Narnia. A second film should be made with things like THe White Council and Gandalf espying Dol Guldur. And if Jackson is involved in neither, that will still be fine so long as the involved director is loyal to the work, and has vision and passion.