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Let's try this again... Is this The Joker? I guess not...

Alright, this is turning into SPIDER-MAN 3 all over again. I think I'm going to avoid looking at anything from Dark Knight from now on. Photoshop is getting too good. I should have known the below image wasn't real when I didn't get a screaming call from WB or their lawyers at 7am PST. I did run it as a rumor, so at least I didn't put any money on it being legit, right? The guy comes clean here, shows the samples he used to make the image. Good work, dude. Now I'll get Harry rubbing this in for the next 10 years... I'll just have to dig up a few dozen links of him doing the same thing, right? heh Sorry, for getting conned, but sometimes that comes with the territory of releasing these unconfirmed images and material. If we waited for the studios to give us official photos we might as well be Entertainment Weekly.com.

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here again. I posted the last picture of Heath Ledger as the Joker (CLICK HERE FOR THAT STORY!) and got slammed for it. But in that article I clearly stated that I believed the pic to be a proof of concept picture, which is almost always a preexisting photo that is played around with to prove the make-up ideas can work. It's still to be determined if that's the case, but because of that story posting, we got a new image from a new scooper, calling himself Rockatansky. Check it out.

I believe both images to be real, the one I posted before and the one I'm posting now, but the one I'm posting now is an actual make-up test, not a proof of concept photoshop job that'd be up on a casting director or production office wall. If you look closely at the two images I've posted today, you'll see the scarring is in the same place (corners of the mouth and above the left eye). I like the sunken-in scarring more on the photoshop job because this one looks a little bit more like Ichi The Killer. Until this is confirmed by Warner Bros, it will still be a rumor, a potential image, but like I said in the previous report... This fits with the word I've been hearing out of this particular production.


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  • April 23, 2007, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Stil looks like the Crow

    by wadi77

  • April 23, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    First and...

    by LordEnigma

    That's a cool fucking design for Joker. Again, in the right light and with a great story, that may be one of those DEFINITIVE versions of this character. DC...get somebody ready to have a JOKER look like that!

  • April 23, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    pretty cool

    by LeviDTinker

    looking forward to seeing the final results next year on the screen.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Ichi!

    by boyblue

    Yeah he looks like the guy from Ichi and for me thats to much of a distraction.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Actually...

    by LordEnigma

    He looks like a dude who has been tortured. THose are all healed scars all over his face and neck. This could be used to explain how he became the sick and twisted bastard, that we all know and love. Again, that's a real-life design, and I give Nolan and Co. props for heading in this direction.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Where's the grin?

    by FelixReyesTorena

    I like the way the makeup is shaping up, but to me the Joker is only truly the Joker when he's got that sinister grin plastered on his face. Heath Ledger, as is, is looking kind of emo and pissed off, instead of brilliant and insane.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:50 a.m. CST

    A little TOO real world

    by one9deuce

    The Joker should look like The Joker. Heath looks like some goth kid with some pale make-up and green rinse in his hair.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST

    He's Still Wearing The Gray Shirt...Plus, Fingers????

    by Darth Fabulous

    How many fingers does this dude have?...and Quint's right, the scarring on the mouth is the same. But is that really Heath Ledger?

  • April 23, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST

    That Rubicks Cube Chest Plate Won't Stay

    by Boba Fat

    <p>

  • April 23, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    um...

    by tibbar

    so basically, the joker is gonna look like ledger with a white face? what happened to the shoulders-and-up cast they supposedly did of him? THIS is supposed to be the joker? i could do this for halloween with shit i have in a junk drawer, guys... try harder.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Kind of dig it

    by Boondock Devil

    Of course won't really good a good feel for the character until you see him in action. Remember how absolutely hokey those first X-Men pics looked like when they first surfaced online?

  • April 23, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    If this is real im a little disapointed....

    by BatPsycho

    I am all for the make up concept, but I just don't like the smile scars. his smile should come from being an insane psycho, not a physical result of the accident.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Emo Joker-Crow needs to wipe the mayo off his cheeks

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    Still can't say I'm entirely convinced, again perhaps it looks better in motion.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    I like it

    by sayanything9

    I think this look has real potential.I do think shorter hair would have suited him better but meh...I'm happy

  • April 23, 2007, 4:01 a.m. CST

    they arent even trying...

    by tibbar

    wouldnt you try to cover your scars up with makeup, if you were deformed? why do the lips not even go onto the scarring at all? this has GOT to be some form of diversion, or the laziest makeup work ive ever seen. are they planning to suppliment cg or something? this is so hokey.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    I'd like this better without the scars

    by Xeniten

    I think this picture is the real deal. I kinda like it. But I don't dig those scars.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    The Killing Joke should be the ideal Joker template

    by Xeniten

    Stick with that and you won't go wrong! :-)

  • April 23, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    the joker is more than grease paint

    by tibbar

    period

  • April 23, 2007, 4:09 a.m. CST

    They put nipples on Heath.

    by Optimus Murphy

    Don't they have any respect for the source material of Heath?

  • April 23, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST

    IF this is real...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...I hope it looks better in the movie.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    At this point I TOTALLY believe Quint!

    by Xeniten

    The first image was merely a proof of concept. I believe it now. However after looking at this latest image for a reasonably long time now, I REALLY don't like the scarring. He does look far too much like the Crow. I think Heath does have the ability to pull off the Joker on his own, he has the hair line for it as well as the eyes and mouth and jaw for it. The scars are totaly unnecessary.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    I LOVE IT

    by Mike_D

    The coloring, the scarring...it works.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST

    That's a pictures of that 80's new wave singer

    by Orionsangels

    Wait what's his name? It's on the tip of my tongue. Oh yeah GAY!!!!! That's what that pix is

  • April 23, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    No. What the other guy said. Six fingers!

    by hulk_beanpoll

    Last time I checked Heath Ledger did not have six fingers on his hand. Few people do. I would guess it was put there on purpose to make AICN look more foolish for posting it. Of course I could be wrong and maybe Ledger really does have six fingers.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Fake

    by Wonderboys

    Why would a studio put its logo (in the usual disposition as its used for poster) in what appears to be a picture for internal use... also, there is something in that face that is screaming photoshop... believe me, i know photoshop, I've made enough manips to know one at first sight (I succesfully cheated several sites, this included, with a poster for SW:EP II, and with a fake picture of Ben Affleck as Daredevil.. I was a bad boy then)

  • April 23, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST

    WTF !!!!

    by juliomario14

    i think the same people that came out with optimus flames and galactus been a freaking cloud are designing the joker's make up .....

  • April 23, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    I think it's kinda rad

    by JERRY HORROR

    If The Joker was in the real world, this is kinda what he'd look like. Nice and psychotic.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    When does he turn into a giant moth?

    by playahatersball

    ROBERT SMITH! ROBERT SMITH!

  • April 23, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Jesus wept...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    It's a test shot, hence the reason for him to be holding up a colour chart. Or did you think that was The Jokers new movie weapon? For fucks sakes.<br><br>And he doesnt have six fingers, that's quite obviously the underside of his hand. Suggest you go get yourself a better monitor.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:42 a.m. CST

    wow - that looks like shit

    by slappy jones

    i hope this is just an early idea that has already been scrapped as all blurry photo early days aside that just made my heart sink....terrible.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Happy Halloween

    by readingwriter

    He looks like one of those college kids who goes trick or treating and claims it's satire, a joke, a gag, a funny, but he still eats the candy.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Is that Ledger????

    by adamthelegend

    Even if it is, im not a fan of it. The Joker is pretty easy to do and they've messed it up - even if they wanted to make it look more "real world" then they should have just done this >> http://www.comictreadmill.com/images/JokerSmile.jpg

  • April 23, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    I don't see what the problem is! It's the damn Joker!

    by The Real McCoy

    It's a fake - he has six fingers! I don't like the way he looks. Well, you're not supposed to wanna f*ck the Joker so what's the damn problem. He looks better than I expected. No cheesy grin. No fake smile. No awful bright green hair. He looks like a sick, sadistic, clownish sociapath. Isn't that the point? And for the guy who asked why Warner Brothers would put their logo on something like this, maybe it's to mark it as their property which, if my vision serves me, is what the little blurb says - Property of Warner Brothers.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Looks FAKE

    by caravaggio

    If this is reallly just a photo for the makeup dept to use, then why the WB copywrite info on the bottom? Plus, look at that flipper. Speaking of hands, where the hell is his other arm?

  • April 23, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Er....

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Maybe that logo is there because it IS property of WB? I'm just throwing that wild guess out there for ya Carvaggio.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Hmmmmm

    by Brendon

    It certainly looks fake... Let's see if somebody can find the 'original' online... Is Quint essentially saying there ARE scars running from the corners of the mouth? Is this the 'word' he's been hearing?

  • April 23, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Is this THE CROW DIRECT TO VIDEO Part 600

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    or some silly joke? <p> THIS HAS WRITTEN fake ALL OVER IT!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Thats not going to impress me JACK

    by kingoflight

    This guy looks like a fucking retard look how close his eyes are they are almost touching. He's also not in anyway scary, you can't tell me that even jack nickleson with out makeup on is not scary because he is. This guy looks like a poor halloween dad whos been ropped in to taking the kids on the candy run. Be back before 7 dear.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Her'es the test of it being real or not...

    by Brendon

    ...somebody tip off Warners. If they start issuing cease and desist messages, then I think we can ssume it is real... If not... Who knows?

  • April 23, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Crispin Glover

    by juliomario14

    he should it be the joker !!!!!Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover Crispin Glover

  • April 23, 2007, 5:36 a.m. CST

    yeah crispin glover would have been better

    by kingoflight

    but was he just hanibal ?

  • April 23, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    I STILL SAY...

    by cornponious

    that the Joker in Batman: Dead End is the best version of joker ever brought to life on-screen... that guy, whoever he is, WAS the Joker.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Fingers on Joker make jack go something something...

    by Axl Z

    Go crazy? Don't mind if I do!! Flames on Joker gotta eat!

  • April 23, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST

    What DO people expect here? He looks like the JOKER!

    by Mike_D

    If you guys were expecting a shaped-smile ala Batman '89, then everybody would be complaining that Nolan wasnt being original and getting "too comic-booky" and not realistic enough...you just cant win. THATS the joker.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Hey, it's a fat bald tramp being booked.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    How interesting. Here's to Jack Nicholson, Tim Burton and Michael Keaton, the creators of the one real "Batman" film.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    i really hope that...

    by roccotheripper

    there isn't black makeup around his eyes in the movie. that would be so stupid!

  • April 23, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Has anyone given any thought to the idea that Warners..

    by The Real McCoy

    ...may be testing the waters. Reports on location have said that Ledger wasn't sporting makeup, suggesting they haven't shot him as "the Joker". This could be the WB leaking this stuff just to get an idea of how the fans feel. Or not. But it's definitely not a fake. Enough with the six fingers and the logo talk. I've never seen a fake that good and I've even spent the morning searching Heath Ledger pics for "the original". This may not be the final design but it's definitely real.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST

    After a close inspection...I think its fake.

    by Mike_D

    look at the color (where the neck meets the t-shirt)..its a little..blocky? And his left arm...where the image meets the background, its been blurred a bit and looks like its been "cut out". I'm sad to say...but yes, its fake. And this is coming from a photoshop user.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    He looks like Edward Scissorhands with green hair!

    by Xeniten

    Come on! The Scars have to go! Otherwise Heath is the Joker! I love the gray skin, the hair is perfect, the eyes... everything is just right. I totally believe Heath can pull this off. But those scars undermine him.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Ichi the Killer was awesome!!

    by Poisonouskid

    One of the best ultra-violent pics from Japan yet. Heath actually doesn't look bad as Joker. Should be interesting.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:58 a.m. CST

    To all you Sour-Fuck people:

    by jedimast3r

    All you can do is bitch. We all know that. You come here thinking that you're funny with your play-on-words and sarcastic itchy-twat tounge, but guess what: Noone gives a fuck what you think. The AICN staffers provided a glimpse os Nolan's Joker and even unfinished it looks great. Pays homage to the character, and looks great. What the fuck do you people what? And you come here hating Batman Begins also? Are you people fucking kidding me? You bitch only to bitch, but you're gonna whack off to this movie just like everyone else cause its gonna fucking kick ass. Until you run your own fucking movie spoiler site with something worth saying, shut the fuck up and stop hiding your desire to see this movie. IT'S NOT THE COOL WAY TO BE.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    I agree with The Real McCoy

    by Xeniten

    I get the feeling that Warners is testing the waters. So voice your opinions. It's all good. :-) I was totally opposed to Heath as the Joker, at first I thought Crispin Glover would be better for it. But after seeing Heath in these test shots, I rather like Heath. I still hate the scars though. Heath is perfect without the scars.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:02 a.m. CST

    The movie has just gone into production

    by emeraldboy

    Its early days yet. Calm down.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST

    What's the point?

    by Blarney-Man

    That's a little too dull looking to me.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    probably just a test shot

    by lionbiu

    so I am not going to go all psycho over it, I am sure it will look better.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Look what the joker has done to his rubix cube

    by kingoflight

    He just could not solve it so the crazy bastard cut it to pieces and took photos of himself playing with the dead body!

  • April 23, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Looks like SHIT

    by Steve Rogers

    I trust Nolan and I hope this is a fake, or an early test, or whatever else it could be rather than actually being what they're going to do. I REALLY don't want to see the Joker as some 2nd rate Ichi the Killer rip-off.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:23 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!

    by Pageiv

    He'll never top Jack!

  • April 23, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Quint, Harry threw you under the bus.

    by Bronx Cheer

    I absolve you, my son, so now go finish your contest!

  • April 23, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST

    jedimast3r

    by kingoflight

    STFU our opinions own you !

  • April 23, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Okay, I'm confused

    by OneManHairBand ATX

    So, Nolan said that they used Moore's "Killing Joke" and Morrison's "Arkham Asylum" as reference material... and they came up with THIS as how the Joker's face should look? Did they even LOOK at Bolland's artwork?

  • April 23, 2007, 6:33 a.m. CST

    What the heck is Two-Face gonna look like!?!?

    by kinanswer

    If this is the Joker, will Two-Face be more 'Man Without A Face' than OTT Batman Forever? Not sure how Heath will sound. I still have Mark Hamill ringing in my ears ...or they may dub him with another actor. Laurence Fishburne anyone? Anyone?

  • April 23, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    It's all in the lighting

    by DEZDOONZ

    If this is the final version, with the great Wally Pfister's cinematography, he could look pretty menacing. We'll see...

  • April 23, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    lol funny guy

    by kingoflight

    Joker take blue pill story ends wake back in a nice clean arkham cell or take the red pill and i'll show you how deep batmans cave really goes. Just dub over his voice with tony the tigers.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Looks crap.

    by stones_throw

    What's with the scars? Everyone knows what the Joker really looks like.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    i'd bitch more about this joker than the cloud in ff2

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    cause this is a major fuck up by warner bros and dc if this is what they decided to go with .... fucking crow looking crap ....

  • April 23, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    The Chelsea Smiles!

    by FirstBornSun

    A Glasgow smile (or Chelsea grin) is a nickname for the practice of cutting a victim's face from the edges of the mouth to the ears: the cut - or its scars - form an "extension" of what looks like a smile. Sometimes to further hurt or even kill the victim, he or she would then be stabbed or kicked, most notably in the stomach (or in case of kicking, the groin), so that the the face would be ripped apart when the victim screams. The practice originated in the Scottish city of Glasgow, which gave it its name. It also became popular in Chelsea, London (where it is known as a "Chelsea grin") and other areas of Britain, for gangs hoping to leave a message to rival gang members.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Not bad!!

    by jojo-pimp

    I rememer when the first pics of Bale in the batsuit came out, and cause it had a white background, everyone said it looked terrible. I think this look will be great in a dimly lit sit with just the right lighting to make ledger as creepy as possible.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    I like the scar smile idea

    by Lone Fox

    But I'd prefer it looked like a fresher wound. Or better yet, the scars were left open, so he really has a wide smile. If they can put nads on Silver Surfer...

  • April 23, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    WIPE THE SCARS OFF!!!

    by yeah boss!

    Yo what's with those bloody scars!! Keep the Jack Nicholson look with a permanent leer not some crappy fake green that's really a scar. This looks waaaay toooo much like the frickin' crow. His eyebrows are supposed to be a bit more arched too like in the comic and Nicholson's was.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    BEST WAY FOR THEM TO HANDLE JOKER:

    by stlfilmwire

    The first movie did a nice set up. They just need to not feel like they have to go too much into The Joker's origin. Let's just say he's been around. The world knows who this villian is. Let's get into the guts of the story. And one comment: DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO KILL HIM OFF BY THE END OF THE PICTURE. The problem with Marvel flicks is that IT SEEMS that they introduce and kill off villians to freaking quickly. Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Venom... need I say more?

  • April 23, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    It won't look like the Crow

    by Sepulchrave

    if he laughs or smiles at all, particularly if those scars open up at all. It could be really horrible. And that does look like Heath Ledger.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    i meant grin there above not green!

    by yeah boss!

    .

  • April 23, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Heath's smile...

    by yeah boss!

    ...is already quite wide and big, why the hell have they gone down the scar route. oooh to make it more 'realistic'! Stupid look says I. Don't mind the hair though just the eyebrows and the 'grin' (or lack of it) is what sucks bigtime.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Oh and Morrison's Joker in Arkham Asylum

    by Sepulchrave

    was meant to be a drag-queen sort of Frankenfurter character in stilletto heels and fishnets but they also wussed out on that.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    scars ? (where i can find ? question)

    by juliomario14

    does anybody knows where i can find a pic (comic book) where the joker have the scars or explain how he get the scars ? thank you damn you kichael bay lol

  • April 23, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Calm down, folks

    by BizarroJerry

    I remember when the very first picture of Bale as Batman came out and there was still a lot of bitching. And hell, it's a makeup test, who knows what he'll really look like. Start bitching after a real publicity photo shows up. But I do agree that after Batman in '89, some more casual fan types have forgotten that Joker does not have a permanently affixed grin on his face. He actually smiles on purpose. In fact, he's been know to frown on occasion. And after all that, I must add that the Joker isn't easy to do if you're trying for a more real world kind of setting. Burton's strange world makes it easier for the Joker to fit in, I think. Let's not be too superficial, anyway. The performance is more important.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Chad Lowe

    by jinnjab

    He's playing the Crow? Sweet!

  • April 23, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I thought this was a Batman movie...

    by Fridge

    ...not another Crow sequel. Jesus, that better not be what I'm looking at when I go to see The Dark Knight because that is NOT the Joker. The Joker is a CLOWN, a psychotic CLOWN. Not some stupic Crow rip-off, not some emo cutter, not Edward Scissorhands. He's a damn clown, now make him look like a twisted, crazy, insane one.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    shannon sossamon for catwoman

    by hesky75

    you know im right!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST

    shannon sossamon

    by juliomario14

    yes you ARE

  • April 23, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    casting perfection!

    by hesky75

    i could see the definitive selena kyle she is foxy enough alright!

  • April 23, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Nick Nolte's in trouble again? this isn't news!

    by HypeEndsHere

    did he get busted for being a tranny hooker this time?

  • April 23, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Batman: Dead End

    by themanwhojaped

    I agree, The Joker from Batman Dead End is the definite screen version in my mind. That whole fan film was awesome.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    hmmmm....

    by klattimus_darby

    Well shit, that is a different look, isn't it? I don't know man...

  • April 23, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Another Matthew McConaughy...

    by Kid Z

    ... drunk driving arrest???

  • April 23, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST

    RighteousBrother:

    by the_chick

    No offense, and not to be nit-picky, but Morrison's working on "Batman", and Paul Dini is doing "Detective Comics". Not trying to be a bitch, but what else is the use of working at a comic books store if you're not going to smug trivia fanboys to death?

  • April 23, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    its just a mekeup test.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I cant add anything to the discussion other than to say that its just a test, thats all. And he looks "emo" for a reason, im guessing. Its just a normal shot of him with a blank expression,thats all. They probably didnt want him to smile.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Glascow Smile? Chelsea Grin?

    by Kid Z

    ... the gangsters can't just whack the guy? Geez you Brits are weird!

  • April 23, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    It's fine

    by Fecal Debris

    and with the right amount of light or darkness, it'll come off all right. Jesus Christ, it's just a test shot.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    to quote someone from The Zone...

    by The Only Woj

    "There are sketches out there of his ideal Joker, and maybe they'll see the light of day, eventually, but they were basically labelled too extreme by Warner Bros. and then, ultimately, too unrecognizable. They consider Joker a commodity like Batman (and unlike characters like Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul) and feared that fans would reject a radical deviation from canon. Their memo to Nolan was to basically create a "real-world Joker," which is why he looks like all the photoshopped versions of Ledger that we've seen online for the past several months." personally, we've seen the Joker from the comics (appearance-wise). I'd rather a "new" Joker look with Nolan's version than another derivative of the comic version.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    red lipstick on the mouth scars...

    by klattimus_darby

    THAT would make it cool, the joker literally drawing his smile out to cover the damage

  • April 23, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    That NOT the Joker!!!!!

    by Sigmar25

    LOOKS LIKE THE FREAKING CROW - THIS IS THE JOKER NOLAN & BROS. HAVE COME UP WITH?!?! NOOOOOOOO!

  • April 23, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Still looks like SHIT

    by Steve Rogers

    Took some time out, came back to look again. Opinion unchanged. If anything it looks worse. PLEASE don't be doing this, Nolan.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Anything we see here will pale to the on screen result.

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    Just an optimistic/realistic view on things to put in perspective.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    someone leak Nolan's sketches!

    by The Only Woj

    lets see what WB said "no" to first before we crit Nolan at all for this one. I'd like to see what his versions looked like, even if they didn't look like his comic counterpart.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Meh.....

    by Angry Golfer

    That looks way too plain and not the "sadistic and crazy" look they've been talking about. Right now it looks like he fell off his bike and got a few scrapes.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Glasgow Smile and Chelsea Grin...

    by BizarroJerry

    Sounds like some goofy euphemisms from British porn, to me...

  • April 23, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    "Bob. Gun."

    by uss cygnus

    *bang* I'm going to need a minute or two alone boys...to call Kevin Spacey.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Hate that Joker!

    by sirbroiler

    Okay - I'm all for realism but this is just way too mild for my taste. Any chance this is a pre-chemical accident Joker? Maybe, just maybe he's not "full-on Joker" until later in the film. Even though he was mentioned at the end of BB, doesn't mean he's disfigured yet. If would fit with the Red Hood-type origin discussed elsewhere? Still keeping the faith, but struggling.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    What?...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...no test shots of The Joker's cowboy taint?

  • April 23, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    It's Not a 6th Finger ...

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    ... It's the Silver Surfer's balls!<p> Galactus is gonna be pissed.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    hmmm - well

    by Lost Prophet

    Don't hate it. Not excited by it either.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I hope...

    by 7pointedstar

    ...that this is the look they go with. A killer who cuts his own face into a smile is much more plausible than a guy who falls into some acid/toxic waste/discarded chemicals and comes up with a grin and green hair.<br><br>I'm a huge Joker fan...but I want to see him get a slightly more "real world" treatment for this movie. And this picture is a step in the right direction...<br><br>...if it's real.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Nolan Was Probably going to go with something like this

    by ajtk210

    http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/bermejo_joker1.jpg

  • April 23, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Innie scars

    by LordShinerBock

    Let's hope they use the innie scars instead of the outties. Like the idea that he tried to cut himself to make his grin bigger...then again it DOES look a lot like the CROW.....

  • April 23, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Jokers asian brother...

    by ABVH

    http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/daily/ichi-1000-new-1.jpg

  • April 23, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Looks like the Crow!

    by kinghenryVIII

    Still, if it's any where near as good as Begins I'll have wood till openning day.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    OMG! Makeup tests MONTHS before production starts SUCK!

    by Zarles

    Seriously, some of you guys are total fucking assholes. Maybe knitting is more your bag, because you obviously know shit-all about movies.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by skycrapper

    That doesn't really look like Ledger. Which is fine, I wouldn't expect him to being made up as the Joker but I really hope that's an early concept make up picture. I would expect him to be a little scarier. I mean have the mouth look like a gaping scar not something that looks like a surgery scar.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Well Production has started

    by ajtk210

    Like a month ago, in Chicago. So dont be an asshole and get a clue Zarles.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I like it, but I don't think it's Heath Ledger...

    by Sidzed

    I sorta dig the direction Nolan is going in, and remain hopeful that Heath could be bloody scary. But to be honest, I don't really think that is Heath Ledger - it barely looks like him. I've studied some photos of him, and the facial structure is veeeery close but the eyes seem wrong. Perhaps it is just very clever make-up. Furthermore, it doesn't really look like that infinitely more believable (albeit blurry as heck) spy photo. This joker thing is very interesting, and I can't wait for WB to release a proper promotional still.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I like it...and here are some reasons why...

    by isispop

    I think it's real, & I dig it. I also work in Photoshop 10 hrs a day just like some of the doubters of whether this is real. I won't go into exactly why I think you're wrong in sayin it's fake cause that's a whole other talkback. I really like it though. This may be a little too real worldly for some comic palettes, but that's what I want. Do you know how insane you'd have to be to cut your own face to look like a big smile & think it looked good? We've all stood next to those great Jokers/Harleys and had our pics snapped w/em at whatever comic con...but those are cartoony/Burton/Schumaker like. If I were to see this shot and he had some store bought white clown make up, (which did come off on Jack's neck in unedited shots btw) and a bright colored suit then I'd be upset. Does anyone here really want a Joker with the crayola purple suit, orange shirt, whiter than white face & kelley green hair? Also, in this pic he's not in character. Assuming this is real...it's a test shot. No mood lighting, atmosphere, or even acting. If you were to have a shot of Killain Murphy standin there like this with his scarecrow mask in this context, you haters would have the same predictable shit to say about that...but the movie/character utlimatley worked for me & then some. Bottom line is I trust Nolan & company. I went into the first w/serious doubts, but I was proven wrong. That in turn resulted in me realizing that in some of these cases, the filmmaker might occasionally be right, and your basic fanboy is sometimes not only wrong...but rushes to judgement w/very little info to draw from. Your comic book joker doesn't fit into Nolan's Gotham. He wouldn't look right there & would stick out of the scenery like a sore thumb.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Are those supposed to be scars, or

    by Snookeroo

    is that just places where the prosthetic makeup has been pulled off? Frankly, I'd like to see a Joker that is more believeable than the comix version -- and Nolan is the guy to do it.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Yeah, what isispop said

    by Snookeroo

    I agree 100%

  • April 23, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Ichi The Killer

    by Skankardly

    now that's a seriously disturbing fuckin' movie.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Don't listen to Harry

    by StovetopStuffin'

    If you recall, he also told everyone emphatically that Venom will not appear in Spiderman 3.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    I can't quit you, Quint!

    by Cheif Brody

    What did our fearless leader say? Oh, yeah..."Fool me once...shame on you! Fool me twice...uh....eh...not gonna get fooled again"! This appears to be WB publicity's lame as attempt at controlling the spin on the very FIRST far away fuzzy paparrazzi pic some hack shot. The first pic, with the Black Dahlia scars they sent ya, was wrong...so they panic, and send ya this one. It's cool, Quint...it's just WB jerkin yer chain. I still say, with Nolan's "darker" take....that the plan is to give us what we EXPECT Joker to look like for the first 3/4 of the movie...and then he's gonna show up looking worse for wear at some point....and probably be really fucked up by the end. I have to imagine Nolan will want to put his own unique stamp on the final look of the Joker...and what they are giving us now, is NOT the final, really fuckin evil version. Hope he doesn't end up looking like the girl in the ad on the home page with the packing tape messin up her grill!! The question is....will we get a Harley Quinn in this outing?

  • April 23, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I didn't have faith in Batman Begins...

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    I had no anticipation for it, the trailers did very little for me despite the fact that I was a HUGE fan of Memento, and though Insomnia and Following were really good. But DAMN, Batman Begins is hands down the BEST comic book movie, or should that be best FILM based on comic book. It's a real movie, especially the first half. I adore the film. So I'm not worrying about ANYTHING with The Dark Knight, because I know it will be awesome. The Prestige was awesome. Nolan is awesome. Or should it be The Nolans are awesome. Stop saying awesome. Awesome.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Stare the pic, right in the eyes...

    by ajtk210

    Imagine him giving a dark and insane look, and imagine him grinning as you stare, this is the Joker.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Yeah, what isispop said, pt. II

    by nhoj3

    I also agree 100%

  • April 23, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    The hair is green, the face is white, the lips are red.

    by TheFunkyEnigma

    For me, this is all you need for the joker, make-up wise. The rest is all in the Ledger's ability to creep you the fuck out. Need to see the fucker smile before I bitch and moan.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Regardless...

    by Zarles

    It's a fucking makeup test. That's it. Nothing final at all. Some of you act like this is a goddamned screenshot or something.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    JRKerr

    by Darth Kong

    There are more important things to be irritated about. Chill. You'll go and see the movie, so what the f*** do WB care?

  • April 23, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    I originally hated the idea of Ledger as the Joker...

    by rbatty024

    and I still sort of hate it, but Nolan has knocked everything else out of the park that I'm willing to trust him. Now the guy has to figure out how to film action sequences because the quick cuts just are working.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    "I hope, ten years from now, they reboot the reboot."

    by Shermdawg

    Well, at least he's not a cloud.<br><br>*logs out*

  • April 23, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Just out of curiosity...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...what does it take for you people to give Nolan the benefit of the doubt? If 'Batman Begins' doesn't make you give a director street cred, I have no idea what will.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    This is the LEE BERMEJO Joker

    by exerciseguy

    There is an image of The Joker floating around the net for the past few years of a chracter design done by LEE BERMEJO. This image is DEFINETELY consistant with that image. http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/bermejo_joker1.jpg

  • April 23, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    "The Clown Prince of Crime is Sexy & Smart"

    by Earl Dittman

    Earl Dittman - Wireless Magazine

  • April 23, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Batman:Dead End

    by JD Lux

    They should go for the same look as the Joker from Sandy Collora's Batman:Dead End short film.Although it was low budget, it still managed to capture the look and feel of what the Joker is all about.Now if we could only see Sandy's World's Finest then we would know what a true superhero team up movie is supposed to be like.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I hope we get something better than Edward Scissorcrow

    by SpyGuy

    Because if this is the final look, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. Christopher, even stupid little Goth kids have more bleached-white skin than this...

  • April 23, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    The scarring's a bad idea

    by Chief Redcock

    Joker shouldn't have scars like that... what's the point? The character's already scary enough as is in the comic books.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    It KINDA looks VK....

    by Anna Valerious

    More like Yu~Ki than Kozi...

  • April 23, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Well, yeah it doesn't look great.

    by rev_skarekroe

    He's just standing there. In the actual film, Ledger'll be, y'know, ACTING like the Joker, and he'll be lit right and he'll be moving around and stuff. So relax.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    I think maybe Heath Ledger is too pretty to be playing

    by wolvenom

    the joker. All I see is a pretty boy without the joker's patented smile. I'm hoping that this is a shot without him wearing prosethics on his face or something. I do expect them to give him a more accented nose and screw with his chin a bit so I'm a bit disapointed looking at what is essentially just the crow right now. I dont want to be looking at the joker thinking about the crow for the whole movie. I hated the crow and I dont want to hate the next batman. Trying to go for the realistic approach like Nolan did with scarecrow as opposed to the comics might not work with the joker in my opinion. I'm just not connecting with this photo. Maybe I was spoiled by Nicholson's joker and want to see that again but with a different actor.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Brittany Murphy for Harley Quinn

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    She could certainly handle the distinctive voice work style of the original in the cartoon. Something about her just screams 'lunatic' to me, I don't know.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    personally

    by landster

    I don't see Heath in these photos. I'm thinking a preproduction photo of his stuntdouble maybe??

  • April 23, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    OH AND STFU ABOUT BATMAN:DEAD END!

    by wolvenom

    STOP MENTIONING THAT PIECE OF GARBAGE EVERYTIME YOU HEAR BATMAN NEWS ON HERE. That fucking joker was 15 years old, his laugh was fucking retarded, and he was way too spastic. The rest of that short film was okay (Mainly the fight between batman and the predator), but the joker was by no means a good joker... he was garbage.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    I hate the scars too

    by exerciseguy

    Why does everyone feel the need to to reinvent the wheel when it comes to comic-book movies? Rubber Bat Costumes galore, a Super-brat, a Plant-Eating Cloud, stupid love interest for the ladies. It's insulting.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    OH AND STFU ABOUT HARLEY QUINN!!!

    by wolvenom

    SHE WAS CREATED FOR THE FUCKING CARTOON! SO GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE COMICS ON WHICH BATMAN WAS BASED.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Cesar Romero is turning in his grave

    by MontyPigeon

    Whoever thought The Joker would be a member of My Chemical Romance? The Dark Knight R.I.P

  • April 23, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    I'd like to have a Rodriguez helmed DKR...

    by Shermdawg

    ...starring Powers Boothe as Bats.<br><br>The chances of that happening are sim and none, yet those are still better odds than expecting a traditional Joker in a Nolan flick.<br><br>*logs out again*

  • April 23, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    fuck harley quinn and the cartoon she rode in on

    by wolvenom

    god damn you fanboys and your obsession with that stupid 90's batman cartoon.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Heath Ledger working at Sherwin Williams?

    by TimBenzedrine

    I think I bought paint from this guy. If this is supposed to be the Joker,they really need to try again.The guy looks like he's pulled too many all-nighters. They shouldn't try for realism here,it's the fuckin' JOKER, his appearance should terrify his victims.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    If Batman Begins Didn't Earn Nolan Some Trust...

    by Sean38

    ...then there's simply NO satisfying you people. You can't pronounce gloom and doom based on an out of context pre-production makeup test. Nolan KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK on Batman Begins. He's NOT going to fuck this up. Have some faith.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The scarrings a good idea

    by jimmy_009

    it's heath ledger that was the shit idea. Tim Roth was gold. Too bad they blew that one.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Some things I'd like to see in 'The Dark Knight'

    by wolvenom

    Joker shooting Gordon's daughter (aka batgirl) in the back from "the killing joke" (cause it would showcase his disregard for innocent human life, and showcase Gary Oldman's awesome acting ability that we all know he has) Joker's origin story as the redhood as told in "The Killing Joke" (cause it would showcase heath ledger's acting ability to go from someone we can empathize with to making stupid decisions and spiraling out of control into insanity... losing his family etc) ... Basically make the fucking 'killing joke' into a movie. That's how i want the dark knight.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    If he has a mental transformation beyond this look...

    by JDanielP

    ...where he goes from being an especially dark introvert to completely absorbing his look, becoming his own entertainer, a clown who makes himself cackle with laughter even as he becomes homicidal, ...then this could be something really special to witness on screen. If this is the look that he begins with and the character transforms BOTH in physical and mental terms, ...wow, I could REALLY dig that. Just imagine it. Imagine how the character could be more... internal, more of an introvert, yet has enough of a mental breakdown that it forces an epiphany for the character, as to who this "Joker" is, transforming him into this homicidal showman. I LOVE it! Imagine him making the physical transformation, painting his face white and coloring those cheek scars ruby red to blend in with his lipstick. He dresses himself like he's going to a high society prom though in the vibrant colors we know the character to wear. He goes from grunge... to classy but colorful. Awesome. Just awesome. Anything less and I'll be disappointed. Heck, ...maybe in this mental breakdown, he decides to trace his cheek-scars with a stolen scalpel, separating his cheeks in a way that makes this character more terrifying than we've ever known him to be. Whatever the case, count me interested.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Nolan rules cause he paid attention to the comic books.

    by wolvenom

    If he fucking leaves out the awesomeness of 'killing joke' in a joker movie ill be sadly disappointed and upset. I mean that comic is full of gold for actors chops. Gordon's daughter getting shot in the back showcasing gary oldman's acting techniques and ledger's. the jokers origin in that book is so much easier to empathize with and we can almost see why someone would go so nutso after that origin.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    so...

    by SylarTheCylon

    this is the guy before the makeup is applied right? wtf nolan, if this is true... it might work. But only if they cgi his mouth like the blade 2 villains

  • April 23, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Ichi Joker

    by Cobbio

    I think Heath (if the photo is real) looks good as a scarred and creepy Joker. After seeing "Ichi the Killer," I honestly wouldn't mind that film influencing Joker's appearance a bit. Because Ichi was fucked up and sadistic in disturbing ways, characteristics I wouldn't mind seeing Joker encompass in his performance.<p> An Ichi Joker would creep people out beyond words, creating a formidable and sadistic enemy for The Dark Knight. This is all speculation on my part, of course, but I'd love to see a truly deranged psychopath villain mix it up with Batman.<p> Whatever happens, I have faith in Nolan.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Harley certainly does NOT belong in this movie

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    She wouldn't fit in this universe; I highly doubt it will happen. First female character will be Catwoman in the next movie. Batman: The Animated Series is SO SOOO much better than Burton's shitfest however!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    WAY WAY WAY disappointed. Not a good idea. Terrible.

    by riskebiz

    Well, at one point I was really excited about seeing the Joker in this sequel, but that is now gone. I don't know what they were thinking, but that is a complete misfire in judgement. The Crow look is NOT the Joker. Hell, even the Crow had whiter makeup. I guess that's the issue, it doesn't look like The Joker. It looks like one of the bad makeup jobs you see some idiot put together on the fly for a Halloween party. There always is one in the bunch. What a terrible concept. Very very disappointed. I hope it's not too late for them to change it.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    STFU about Killing Joke already!!!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    This book is not the end-all-be-all of Batman stories. This character has over 65 years of history!! "Killing Joke" is in many ways an ELSEWORLDS tale....why they merged it into continuity is anyone's guess. Cripping Babs sucked ASS...real "shocking" stuff. (But the Gordon character development was a welcome touch I admit)

  • April 23, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Cobbio: that would be a Kakihara Joker

    by torontoxic

    Ichi was the kid. Kakihara was the sadomasochist gangster.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Its all in the eyes . . . and fingers

    by TheBigChill

    This isn't Ledger. Ledger has brown eyes, this guy in the photo has blue. Sure he could be wearing contacts, but The Joker isn't defined by his eye color. If he was, they would have cast someone different. They also wouldn't have had rumors with about fourteen other guys that have brown eyes if it was so important that the character have blue eyes. Second, if you look close enough at the fingers, you'll see that it appears as though there are six, which is pointed out multiple times. Heath doesn't have six fingers on his right hand so . . . yeah, another problem there. That said, I'm fully aware of Nolan's concept of trying to make all of the characters in the Batman universe a little more human, to make them real instead of outstandingly cartoonish. So I like this concept idea that the makeup is the starting point of some sort of physical and psychological transformation, then I'm all for the image that we have been fed to be applied to Ledger's face. I think Nolan would be very naive to think that he could get away with Ledger not wearing the grin in the movie. I'm all for making the characters more human, but the grin of The Joker is one of the most famous images in comic book lore. Please don't ruin it.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Apparently, I'm alone here.

    by 7pointedstar

    I keep reading all of this stuff - some Red Hood here, some Harley Quinn here...and it's making me sick.<br><br>If I want to see the Red Hood origin story, I'll read the Killing Joke. The Joker has many origins, and - to be perfectly honest - I don't want to see any of them in this movie. If Nolan provides him with an origin, I'd like it to be different. But, personally, I'd rather he not have one at all. I'd rather the audience just accept that this guy is seriously fucked up and watch the movie.<br><br> Let's look at Batman Begins:<br>Ra's Al Ghul - little to no origin mentioned in the movie. He mentions a wife who was murdered some time ago. No allusions to the possibility of immortality. No real ties to comic incarnation. But the personality...was spot-on.<br>Scarecrow - No real backstory there either. You know that Dr. Jonathan Crane is the head of Arkham Asylum (definitely an elevation from his status as a lowly professor in the comics). You know that he developed a fear toxin, though you really don't know why. But the performance...was all Crane. He was creepy. He was even somewhat witty. It was great.<br><br>So why is everyone in an uproar over a damn picture? If the Joker looks like Ichi the Crow in this movie, I don't care. It all hinges on Ledger. If he can pull off the personality, the rest of it doesn't matter. At all.<br><br>And please, for fuck's sake, forget about putting Harley Quinn in these movies. She's far too campy and cartoony. Even if she WAS in this series, she wouldn't be in this movie. The Joker has to be caught and committed first. She wouldn't show up until much later on. But I hope she never shows up at all. I love the character...but she has no place in these movies.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    STFU About "Six Fingers"!!!

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It's his palm for God's sake

  • April 23, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Looks good, but wait till you see him smiling...

    by Rindain

    Joker is 40% makerup, 60% performance. This makeup + Ledger acting batshit insane = awesome.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Not impressed at all

    by deadboy1313

    It does look like the Crow, and there is NO evil grin. Hopefully this is just a test shot. I still think Denis Leary would have made a great psychotic Joker!

  • April 23, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Since when is comic-booky bad?

    by MonteCristo

    We all know that a guy wouldn't dress up as a bat, we know that an immortal zealot from the far east wouldn't make an elaborate plan to destroy a city with a microwave emitter, and we know that a masked man with fear gas would not ride around the streets at night on a horse. So, why the hell does the Joker, one of the most iconic characters in COMIC BOOK history, look like a pale druggie with knife scars? And why the hell do some people love it, calling it "real world"? So, Nolan HAS to be a "real world" director, huh? Batman Begins wasn't "real world"...The Prestige got a lot of flack for not being "realistic". The point is this: Nolan is quite good at directing fantasy. He is quite good at making the fantastic and the amazing SEEM realistic, but after closer scrutiny, you see it's actually not realistic at all. Nolan is a comic book fan. So, why wouldn't he make the Joker look like the comic books instead of these Photoshopped pictures that Quint keeps putting up on AICN like it's important news?

  • April 23, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    THIS YEAR'S PENNYWISE THE CLOWN!!!

    by Err

    Awesome!

  • April 23, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    To 7pointedstar...

    by MonteCristo

    This is Batman, not "Nolan's Realistic Non-Campy Vision of Batman Rated R". The point is...a good director makes a movie good regardless of how much he has to suspend your disbelief. Nolan is a great director, so how much more so do you think he could handle every aspect of the Batman comics...the realistic and the not-so-realistic? People are just so scared of the previous Batman incarnations that they want this to be as far from those as possible. This isn't Nolan's Batman. This isn't Burton's Batman. This is "Comic Book Batman", and I'm glad Nolan chose to go that route instead of making it his OWN movie.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Why dont they respect the source material!!!!!

    by CaptGrogan

    sigh. I dont get it. The joker's physical disfigurement is that his skin and hair have been made white and green respectively. The whole "scarred into a permanent grin" thing is NOT part of the continuity and was a cheap gimmick invented in Burton's movie because Nicholson was too old and fat to give a convincing Joker grin. (20 yrs earlier - sure - "heeeres johnny" and all that" The menace of the joker isnt his look. He should be tall - rail thin and evilly insane - murderous. But the ear to ear "grinscar" has got to go. Please - drop the rubber batsuit, the scarred joker and any other Burton-invented crap and make your own movie. THe first film in this franchise was a darn good reboot (save for the costume imho. But unlike, say, the Superman franchise, where they are paying homage - this particular bit with the face is just too damn distracting. Of course - its probably way too late to change it now - damn.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    For fuck's sake deadboy

    by smallfry

    There is no evil grin because HE IS NOT GRINNING IN THIS PHOTO. It does not not mean the joker will not grin during the entire film. Of course it's a test shot - thats why he's holding a colour comparison. Unless the joker is about to beat batman to death with a giant rubik cube. Banging head on my desk

  • April 23, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    It's interesting

    by johnnykool

    I guess they're going for a more realistic look for The Joker. I won't say good or bad, just yet. I want to see some official final images. <p>PS: Fuck you Harry for getting on Quint's case. It's not like you haven't posted shit that was proven false before. Back off, chubbs.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    This is what he should look like

    by mjgo9o9

    http://www.deadwires.com/joker.php

  • April 23, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Trust me on this, messi.

    by MonteCristo

    There's no guy who dresses up like a bat and stops evildoers like zealots from the far east, asylum owners with fear gas, crazy clowns who fell into acidic materials, and mobsters who own cities. The movie is not realistic. I don't see what's so realistic about it. True...it's not like the previous Batman incarnations and their wacky or gothic portrayals of the character. But, it basically feels fresh and epic...not realistic.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    If that's real, it sucks.

    by Insane Tiki

    It's probably a fake. I don't get the six-fingered hand thing. Bad Photoshopping? Either way, that's a real shitty Joker.

  • April 23, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    If this is real.....

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    how come they haven't pulled it off the site yet? If it stays up its fake.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Are all the people who "like" this studio plants?

    by riskebiz

    It's not the look of the Joker. Period. Nolan has done a superb job up till now ... but this is one that is going to negate it all. What a bad judgement call if this is what he thinks the Joker should look like. Suddenly, realism in the Batman films is taken too far and ruins the point. I want the Joker to look like the FRIGGIN' JOKER. Not some moron with a lame makeup job trying to look like the Joker at some Halloween party.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    We'll know by this time tomorrow if it's fake or not..

    by smallfry

    ..if Warners have asked for it to be taken down.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Shame on you, Quint.

    by MonteCristo

    This is a photoshop, both this and the last picture. You still believe that last picture to be genuine? I saw that last picture two weeks ago on another board. And this picture...fake like the other one. Just stop posting "Joker" pics until we can see his face on the official "Dark Knight" website, would you, Quint?

  • April 23, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I have faith in Nolan!

    by jojo-pimp

    I dont care how the damn Joker looks on a picture some fanboy or studie person got a hold of. If this is the final look, so be it, if not, who cares!!! Nolan is still going to make an incredible film with what may be one of the most intense versions of the Joker we have seen!

  • April 23, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    He looks like a "Carver" victim from Nip/Tuck.

    by riskebiz

    I suppose the grins he puts on his victims will be identical to the Carver on Nip/Tuck, too ... instead of Joker venom? Well, all this stupid Joker has to do is go see McNamara and Troy and they can fix that scarring.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Montecristo

    by smallfry

    What makes you so sure this is photoshop? Not saying that it's not, just curious.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    About the Joker......

    by Jobacca

    He's supposed to have scars. Dude was dipped in ACID! If anything,he should look like a scarred-up acid dipped goblin. My problem with this makeup test is,its just not extreme enough. Even with the mouth scars,it still loos too much like Heath Ledger. Someone needs to go all Lon Chaney on his ass and let him get lost in the makeup. I agree that the Joker in Dead End is probably the best real life representation done yet.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    MonteCristo

    by 7pointedstar

    Did you read my post at all? Or did you just decide that I don't like comics and want a "realistic" Batman?<br><br>I'm a comic fan. I've been collecting since I was a child, and I have more than my fair share of comic boxes around the apartment. Over half of them are Batman titles or Batman-related titles. I've been a fan since I was five years old. Just a little background.<br><br>Nolan and Goyer reinvented the concept of a Batman movie with Batman Begins. They figured out that a movie can be made that stays true to the spirit of the character while making a few tweaks here and there to the established story. Why were the tweaks made? So it would make more sense...so it would be more believable.<br><br>In a sense, you're right. This isn't Nolan's Batman. It's really Goyer's Batman. He wrote it. But that's really inconsequential, to be honest. My main point is...the movie Batman will NEVER be the same as the comic book Batman. And he shouldn't be. What works in one medium wouldn't necessarily work in another.<br><br>Case in point: the black and grey suit. Everyone wants the black and grey suit. Most people want a fabric version of it. But I doubt it will happen. We'll get something close in this next movie, if sources are to be believed, but nothing will ever be good enough for the diehard "we want fabric" fanboys. You want a fabric suit? Go find Adam West.<br><br>I love the character of the Batman. Moreso than you are apparently giving me credit for. But I know what I want to see on-screen. And an exact word-for-word panel-for-panel translation isn't it. Why even make it into a movie? Like I said in my last post, if I want to see the Killing Joke, I'll read it. It's on my bookshelf.<br><br>And I agree with what wolvenom was saying earlier...please, for the love of God, will everyone stop referencing Batman: Dead End? It was a nice little 8-minute movie. Not the end-all-be-all Batman film. Jesus...it really wasn't that great. And the Joker in it was laughable. Some guy with bad teeth doing his worst Mark Hamill impersonation. If I had to choose between that guy and a slit-mouthed Heath Ledger, Ledger wins by landslide.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins wasn't as good as you remember

    by Insane Tiki

    Go ahead, watch it again. "I'M BATMAN. Nice coat." Give me a break.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    To 7pointedstar, messi, and smallfry...

    by MonteCristo

    To 7pointedstar, you said that you didn't care if the Joker looked like "Ichi the Killer" as long as his personality was downpat. In the world of comic books, a person's personality and the way they look are intertwined. Comics are a purely visual medium. I 'm not saying I want "The Killing Joke" or "Batman: Dead End" to be the definitive representation of what the Joker is in this movie simply because the Joker is far more than that. You also said you didn't want Harley Quinn because she has "no place in these movies" because she's too "campy". If Nolan is doing Batman, he can do Harley. If Nolan is adapting the comic books, he can transfer the unrealistic parts to screen as well as the realistic. Hell, he did it in Begins. Messi, you said "Begins" is realistic and then went on to name the exact same things that made it unrealistic. "Batman Begins" is NOT realistic. It is epic and a breath of fresh air for Batman fans, but if there's one thing it's not, it's NOT realistic. It has nothing to do with the mentality of characters, and if you can't realize that, that makes you fucking stupid. To smallfry, it's because I saw the previous pic that Quint still believes to be genuine on a board where people were supposed to present their best Photoshops two weeks ago. This is damn near identical. It's Photoshopped.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Should Be A Real-World Punk-Rock Punk

    by CaptDanielRoe

    The real-world Gothams have real-world punks with green hair and violent attitudes; for the past two generations. Yes... As far as I know the Joker has never strongly reflected this. Why not?

  • April 23, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Scary...

    by JDanielP

    http://static.flickr.com/12/19015459_0302cbf754_o.jpg

  • April 23, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Re: supermarch

    by Cobbio

    You're right. Ichi was the kid, Kakihara was the sadistic gangster. I meant to write Kakihara. Thanks.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    FUCK THIS FUCKING EMO JOKER

    by Rufus

    Goddamnit dude, it's an insult to everyone everywhere including the whole batman franchise. Batman movies DON'T NEED ANOTHER FUCKING JOKER! GRRR ARRGH! Jack Nicholson as Joker FOREVER and EVER!

  • April 23, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    This Joker has to be a Catalyst

    by liljuniorbrown

    He has to be what sends Batman into an over the edge frenzy. Batman/Wayne might be wondering if what he's doing is even making a difference, I mean mob bosses get out of prison eventualy and judges let criminals go all the time. The Joker is a whole different story, the Joker is the reason Batman can never rest,he has to be protrayed as maniacal,pure evil, kind of like Mr. Blonde from Resevoir Dogs. I just think this Joker should leave no doubts as to who he is or what he's doing and above all please DO NOT KILL OFF THE JOKER AT THE END OF THIS FLICK, PLEASE!!!!!! We need some ongoing conflict. Plain and simple we need an Ultraviolent Joker so that we can see why he's Batmans archnemisis.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    "Fucking stupid" is pretty overused by now, isn't it?

    by MonteCristo

    Messi, the fact is "Children of Men" is nowhere near the fantasy of Batman Begins. "Children of Men" is a realistic sci-fi picture. It's almost like a "What if we could no longer give birth?" I'm not saying that Begins isn't realistic because we don't have these characters in the world although that's a big part of it. Begins is not realistic simply for the fact that it is Batman and also because it never looked realistic...it just differed from what previous Batman incarnations have given us by staying closer to the source material. None of the characters in Begins act realistically. NONE OF THEM. It's fantastical and epic, but it FEELS realistic enough to get you to care about the characters moreso than the other films. The situations and things are what make movies realistic. BUT you're 0-2 because the characters don't act realistic and it's just as fantastic as the comics. Sorry, but I've read your shit and I think you should just put it back where it came from.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Google.com - click "images", type in Dave McKean Joker

    by JDanielP

    If this Joker traces his cheek-scars with a sharp blade, we might see something a bit closer to Dave McKean's painted vision of the Joker. And that's not a bad thing.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Jack Nicholson's Joker sucked.

    by Err

    Mark Hamill, although never inhabiting a costume, was the best version of the Joker in media. Cesar Romero was a joke. Jack Nicholson's perma-smile wasn't the joke-cracking and at the same time homicidal Joker everyone has fallen in love with. Jack Nicholson didn't have the voice for the Joker either. So quit saying Jack Nicholson is the best Joker. Nicholson was okay for Burton's film but doesn't fit the general Joker mold that everyone loves. Cesar Romero's Joker fit the 60s campy Batman but didn't fit the mold that everyone loves. Mark Hamill's Joker fit the BATMAN TAS and is the closest to actually being what he should be. So don't say Nicholson's Joker is the best. He isn't.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Does Heath Ledger only own one t-shirt?

    by The Grey Ghost

    When The Dark Knight casting sides were leaked on some message board on Super Hero Hype, Warner Brothers took them down in a matter of hours. It has now been almost twelve hours since Quint posted this - on one of the most popular movies sites on the internet, mind you - and they've yet to say "boo." <br><br> But hey, maybe. His look here, for better or worse, does sort of mesh with the script samples seen in the sides (ie, people who have seen his face being traumatized afterwards). Hmm

  • April 23, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    If you honestly like this look

    by Immortal_Fish

    Then you had no problem with how Wes Bentley looked as Blackheart in Ghost Rider.<P>Personally, I'm not thrilled with this. Yet, it's nothing I didn't expect given what they did to the Scarecrow. Joe business guy compleat with glasses, carrying a burlap sack in a briefcase.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Ichi the Joker gotta' eat!

    by Shabbadoo

    Now when's Harry gonna' swoop in and take a dump all over this? You're not gonna' get any more fans by calling out two of your top site managers, big man.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Cutting the face sucks.

    by superninja

    The Joker is suave and insane, he is a dapper fellow, joyful in his own insane way. He would never do that. Is that the best you Po-Mos can do?

  • April 23, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    HAHAHA

    by jinnjab

    Batman Begins the greatest comic book movie of all time?? That makes me want to laugh like the Joker...

  • April 23, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Some crybabies need some diapees

    by Fecal Debris

    Lots of widdle babies here crying and pooping in their poopy diapees need to go potty on the toity it's a TEST SHOT

  • April 23, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Theory

    by Itblowstherobot

    This is going to include spoilers for The Killing Joke and a theory about the Dark Knight, so be warned. I've heard a set report where Ledger was wearing a clown mask. Now, I have to say that this is totally out of my head and a theory. I think that Ledger is the Joker BEFORE the accident (remember the end of Begins?) and that explains the mask. We've heard that the Killing Joke is a big influence, and I think that there's going to be a rotating leader like in The Killing Joke and it happens to be Ledger when they break into the chemical factory, and that's when he gets the skin bleaching. The bleaching and green hair sends him over the edge and he scars himself

  • April 23, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Nicholson was mostly playing himself in the Joker

    by superninja

    costume. I still think Hammil's Joker is the most superior. He's very funny but can also be extremely dark, however it's not so obvious as looking like a cutter goth throwback with greasy hair. Mr. J should have some style, ya know.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by jinnjab

    no

  • April 23, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    How the Joker will come to be...

    by Err

    Ledger (non Joker form) commits crimes with a clown mask on. He leaves behind a Joker card. He goes to a chemical plant, faces Batman, falls into the acid with the mask on. He pulls the mask off and is scarred and takes on the very visage of his mask.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    maybe his cheeks will open like in Pan's Labyrinth

    by pipergates

    when he smiles.that scene of the facist being scarfaced was so well done.it would look super creepy on the joker.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Pan's Labyrinth...

    by Err

    I also thought the guy looks like the Joker with the cut mouth. it was very well done.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Who would follow a Joker that looked like he didn't

    by superninja

    have his crap together? This test shot says heeeenchmaaaaan! The Joker likes an audience, he looks neat and presentable, the polish is an interesting contrast against his insanity. This is just more faux realism.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Shawn Edwards says:

    by Frijole

    "Move over, Jack! There's a new Joker in town!"

  • April 23, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Messi Pt.2

    by jinnjab

    I'm am fulfilling the point of these message boards, to add an opinion. If you don't like it, too bad. Oh yeah, and go get yourself some manners and spelling lessons...

  • April 23, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    I still prefer the origin of the down-on-his luck guy

    by superninja

    who gets in way over his head and to make some money throws in with some thugs. He has a major psychotic break when he's dropped in a vat of chemicals and blames it all on Batman. A new personality emerges. It's about how mundane evil is and the power of self-creation. He is Batman's opposite, Batman had a personal trauma and went in the opposite direction.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    This may be one of several different tests

    by performingmonkey

    But then again, we always seem to be kidding ourselves with these sort of things, saying 'it isn't real' and then it ends up being 100% real and we have to endure the shitness. But I believe Nolan will make ANY version of the Joker look work. They should go hard R and have The Joker cut his own face onscreen.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    agreed, obviously an in-process makeup test

    by oisin5199

    and I don't even think that's Ledger. This is the problem with our spoiler culture. People make snap judgements based on unfinished material and condemn a film before it's even done shooting. Then again, without the spoiler culture, this site wouldn't exist. <p> To add my 2 cents to various debates going on. I believe they did reference immortality in the first film, but it was about immortality through legend, and other people 'becoming' R'as. That's not to say that aspect won't come up later - as I think that storyline isn't done. I bet we'll see Talia at some point. <p> Also, they're NOT going to have Joker shoot Barbara Gordon, unless they jump 20 years or so, or the Joker shoots a baby. Gordon's daughter would only be a toddler in this second film. But maybe they'll evoke that story if the Joker goes after Rachel Dawes. And, oh yeah, I can't wait for this fucking film! The Crow blew and would have been totally forgotten if it hadn't been for Lee's death. It was a ripoff of Batman anyway.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Hell, the movie was a Batman movie for Spider-Man fans.

    by MonteCristo

    No, but the thing is "Batman Begins" took everything that's good about modern comic book movies and applied them to this movie.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    2nd one is 100% fake.

    by The Wheres

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32380 is a fake. Its from somewhere else with photoshop done on it. Its is mostlikey a photoshop makeup test. Mostly done to show ideas before they have new photos or the actor themself there for make up tests. Ive see this same picture on Superherohype where someone did a photoshop to it. Its not a real photo of the Joker. The other one is in the air. But the crow scaring looks photoshopped to me. But its all still rumor. He is the one superherohype forum pic I have seen. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201206&page=260

  • April 23, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Well, thats it for Dark knight then

    by BendersShinyAss

    Here I was living in hope that batman begins was going to be a one off miss. Yes I know I'm in the minority, but c'mon. Batman doesn't belong in the real world, he belongs in an unreal world

  • April 23, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    It's not that bad, honestly

    by Lost Prophet

    seriously, it really isn't that bad- just kind of, well, meh.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by Err

    The unreal world doomed him. The unreal world of Schumacher doomed this franchise for about a decade.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Messi Pt.3

    by jinnjab

    "Retarded"? It would be completely insane to think that Batman Begins was the greatest comic book film ever. Even C. Nolan doesn't think so (see the DVD). It was slow, dull, had no interesting plot or mystery to uncover, wooden, sullen characters (other than Micheal Caine), hammy dialogue, terrible one-liners, awful action scenes, clunky editing, and above all awful costume design. I'm sorry but if a dude went out in my neighborhood in that outfit, his ass would get owned and quick... Did you honestly feel like you knew or cared what anyone was going through in that story? Or was it just enough to sate your appetite and so you are satisfied? They haven't gotten it right yet at all and probably never will because all they care about is making money.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    in other superhero NEWS:the movie MAGNETO will be...

    by future help

    directed by Children of Men Director Alfonso Cuaron. GREAT!!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    jinjab...

    by Err

    While I agree that Begins is not the best comic book film. It was not as horrible as you make it out to be. The worst part of Begins belonged to Katie Holmes. She seemed somewhat out of place and I was none to thrilled with the burning down of Wayne Manor but it was still a good film.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Okay, they've officially KILLED this sequel...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    If THIS is the concept for the Joker they plan on using! IT SUCKS!!! Doesn't LOOK like him in any way, other than the green hair and white face. As everyone else has said, it's simply a third-rate rip-off of Ichi the Killer and The Crow!!! I pray this is a fake and AICN has been fooled. Because if THIS is what the Joker's going to look like, with a crappy actor like Ledger — whose only "successful" role was playing a gay sheepherder — playing this important role, than I'm simply going to save my money and watch some other film. Weak, uncreative CRAP like THIS should've been left behind with Joel Schumacher and the Bat-Skates! But apparently, his curse lives on... >:(

  • April 23, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I don't know about Begins being the best comic movie

    by Lost Prophet

    ever, but it has to be in with a shout at the top 5. No, it wasn't perfect but it was still a fine effort at erasing the dismal shit of the two previous efforts. <p>wait till we see the full make up- this looks only half complete at the moment, I bet he will be much whiter with less visible scars.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    err

    by jinnjab

    Good film, uh, maybe (very hesitant), but for the character of Batman only the best portrayal will do, that's just me and my retardedness talking. I've just been following this for awhile and hear that opinion so much that I am sick of it. I mean are we not the fans? Should we not expect the best possible representation for our beloved characters? I think so. I respect Nolan as a filmmaker greatly and some of his ideas are on the right track, but he is wrong for this project the way that Ang Lee was wrong for the Hulk.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with the land of fakes...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    They want to know why they have been wasting time putting pictures on milk cartons when things go missing, when they now know they can just come collect them from AICN...<p> I am not 100% this is a fake, although that is my gut reaction, I just wanted to resurrect the "I just got off the phone" line...

  • April 23, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Ok I just tried to watch Batman Begins. Again!

    by BendersShinyAss

    It's gay! Tough guy bale ending his conversation by throwing the bat ninja star. It's gay. Bale as bruce wayne. gay. Katie homes "Thats right you better run" How gay was that?? Just looking at Bale dressed up as batman. Why?? I just don't like this incarnation. sorry. And I have no problem with Gay either, well actually I do, but you do what you like. just don't talk to me about fumes

  • April 23, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Impatient Mob!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    There is entirely too much premature ejaculation happening over this picture. What a bunch of ninnies! Wait for an official studio photo before you start running your collective mouth off about how this "make-up test shot" has killed this sequel.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    "The joker's dead ...the bat's have left the belltower"

    by Rearden

    I'm really open to change in adaptation and redesign (no problems with Transformers or anything else) but this really is not doing anything for me. I actually have to agree with some of the haters. very Crow-ish. Goth-kid looking. I don't know.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    TO THE ASSJACK THAT SAID THE JOKER WOULDNT CUT HIS OWN

    by ajtk210

    FACE! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Joker_new_look.jpg And that was pretty recently. The Joker will actually look pretty faithful to his new comic look.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    PS..Really Look At The Picture.

    by ajtk210

    Stare into his eyes, and just imagine him having some freaky ass mean insane look. Ledger did say alot of the character was about the eyes, so chances are he'll have a very menacing crazy look. Also picture him smiling, he looks like the Joker, he looks alot like the Joker, his skin just isnt pure Jack Napier White.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Best comic book movie EVER is...

    by DerLanghaarige

    Ghost World! :)

  • April 23, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    jinnjab...

    by Err

    Begins was not a great film but it was good. I consider the pecking order something like this: Great: Spider-man 2, Superman Good: Batman Begins, Sin City, Superman 2, Spider-Man, Batman Ok: X-Men, X-Men 2, Daredevil, Superman 3, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Hulk, Blade, Fantastic Four Bad: Blade 2, Blade Trinity, Elektra, Ghost Rider, Batman and Robin There are others but those are the main ones.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    The Chealsea Grin is pretty sweet

    by modlight

    I was curious how they were going to pull off the smile in this and have it still be sort of reality based and having him cut his face is bang on.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Rubik's Cube Advanced?

    by magnetoelectric

    Redemption only one day later?Quint has powerful gods....Also,Id like to remind everyone that these makeups look like shit when photographed or in person.Proper camera lighting does wonders

  • April 23, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Ghost World

    by jinnjab

    Good one!

  • April 23, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Batman in an unreal world

    by BendersShinyAss

    Lets not go too extremem and lay waste to the idea of batman not being about to exist anymore because Schumacher fucked up. We all know shucmacker fucked up. Watch the batman & Robin dvd and he'll even say he fucked up - they got given a release date, arnold, uma, and a quarry truck full of money. They didn't have anything else, and he freely admits thats what killed the movie. Same thing happened with Burton to a much lesser degree if you ask me. But just because Batman Begins is so far removed from Shumacher and burton does not mean the film was 'great' or even 'good'. Another talkbacker just asked the question "Did you really care about any character or situation?" I sure as hell didn't. What did batman Begins offer us that we hadn't already seen in previous and better batman films? There was no improvement of costume. Bale has got nothing on Keaton OR kilmer. Fuck, even Clooney looked good. Where was the trauma? People hammer episode 3 because Anikin just decided one minute that he was going to be evil and start skewing kids. But whats up with Nolan's Bruce wayne becomign a ninja and then logically deducing he'll dress up like a bat? In a city of crooks and goons and freaks, Batman needs to stand out - he can't just blend in. And the temper. Batman and his rage was too much. His spitting and yelling in the face of the crooks he's capturing - no! Batman is cool and calculated. The first time Batman makes his apearance, lets see something dynamic, not hench men running scared through dock crates bathed in warm orange light, terrified of creaks and clonks as they wield their automatic weopons. <p>look, I love Batman, and I feel cheated by Batman Begins. Whats worse is a feel really let down by you folks all singing praise. once, just once I want to hear a glowing review of why batman begins is the perfect batman film.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Begins was the only Batman film that was faithful

    by superninja

    to what drives Batman. It "gets" Bruce Wayne/Batman. Whether or not it will get the rest of his cast is up for debate. But it seems Gordon and Alfred are fine (pretty hard to screw up, but a case can be made they've TRIED in other scripts) and Scarecrow was pretty faithful in terms of the spirit of the character.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    You missed "FUCKING DREADFUL" as a category

    by Lost Prophet

    and I would include Batman and Robin, Superman Returns, Superman 4, Blade Trinity, Elektra, Catwoman, and many others in that list. For the record- Excellent: Spiderman 2, Superman, Sin City. Good: 300, Batman Begins, Batman, Blade, Superman 2, OK: Batman Returns, Xmen, X2, X3 (apologies to all brian singer fans), Bad: Blade 2, Batman Forever, Superman 3, Daredevil, Fantastic Four and Hulk. <p>I haven't seen Ghost Rider but also haven't heard anything good about it.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I've seen a lot of douchebaggery on this site...

    by Zarles

    ...but this talkback, hands-down, is the douchebaggiest example of douchebaggery ever douched. Assholes, it's a LEAKED TEST SHOT. If you see a recipe for your favorite meal, do you look at it and say "THAT MEAL WILL SUCK! NEVER WILL IT BE AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE! THAT RECIPE ONLY LOOKS LIKE MEALS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE IT, AND I HATED THOSE TOO!"<p>For fuck's sake, go outside or something.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    the joke's on us

    by Duke of Hurl

    if this is real, penguins will fly out of my ass...

  • April 23, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    oh, and Zarles...

    by Duke of Hurl

    if somebody i knew was a good cook was frying shit in a pan, i'd still call it shit. so go inside or something.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    So you think Batman was cool, calculated Batman

    by superninja

    overnight, huh? I don't mind seeing a few missteps and the learning process. It makes for good character development - just as long as he remains fundamentally heroic and not a self-absorbed twit like Superman Returns Supes.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    check this shit

    by BendersShinyAss

    http://tinyurl.com/2q389s

  • April 23, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Err

    Yes, I unfortunately forgot X3 and Superman 4. Superman 4 is possibly the worst ever. X-3 goes under Ok for me.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    From grunge to clean & sharp-dressed, classy & colorful

    by JDanielP

    Let's have both a mental and physical transformation for this homicidal showman.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Kakihara!

    by CuervoJones

    Gotta love Ichi The Killer

  • April 23, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Eh, I liked Ghost Rider. It's a comedy, it's not

    by superninja

    trying to take itself seriously, and it's fun. I'm not sure how far you could go with GR anyway, I would've made a western.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    That dude in Batman: Dead End...

    by Edward_nygma

    ...looked pretty good as The Joker but he was a terrible actor and he was Hamill-ing it up big time.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Messi-

    by Lost Prophet

    come on- this is subjective. I have much fonder memories, and therefore a preference for the first Superman film over BB. I also don't think he listed them in any particular order- I thought they were just ranked in tiers.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Err

    by jinnjab

    Again, just me, but I would never even put Spider-man 2 in the same category as Superman: the Movie, EVER, but on-the-whole I feel you man, the fact is the studios have to please everybody in the general public and they hire accordingly, a "big-name" director and "hot" actors spell big $$$$$$$$$

  • April 23, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    shit, forgot Hellboy

    by Lost Prophet

    mind you- I didn't particularly like it. It was OK.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    The way they introduced Batman in Begins was brilliant.

    by Lovecraftfan

    They shot it like it was a horror film and Batman was a terryfying thing. It was a really great idea. And it has that great shot of "Where are you?!!" "Here."

  • April 23, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by jinnjab

    Check again, I didn't create that list you speak of, sorry mine would be different

  • April 23, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Mr. Ahole...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    It takes a lot more than green hair and powder makeup to make a convincing Joker. If it didn't take anything else, they could've hired any geek from a comic-con costume show to do the makeup! Take a look at Batman: Dead End, as many others have mentioned. THAT is what comic fans visualize in their mind's eye when they think of the Joker. Pure, clownish EVIL. The pic posted here at AICN simply looks like Heath Ledger in whiteface with his badly-balding head dyed green and idiotic "Ichi" scars in the corners of his mouth. It wouldn't even make the top five at a comic-con costume contest, yet it MIGHT be THE Joker makeup for a major studio Batman film? Moreover, the FIRST Joker we've seen in a generation on the big screen??? Sorry, but that's just pure BULLCRAP. As I said before, I pray it's a fake, and the producers aren't that monumentally STUPID... but then again, they DID hire a guy with NOTHING on his resumé to show that he's even capable of pulling off the role of the viciously crazed, homicidal "Clown Prince of Crime," so maybe they ARE that stupid. Apparently, every actor with a history of playing disturbed characters who could've played the role (Adrian Brody, for example) was too busy to be bothered with such a juicy, blockbuster role. I haven't seen miscasting this bad since dark-skinned latina Jessica Alba was hired to play WASPy Sue Storm! Apparently, they couldn't find any hot blondes in California at the time, either. >:(

  • April 23, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Duke...

    by Zarles

    You're an idiot. It's a test shot. Point is that Nolan's Joker could look like ANYTHING in this test shot, (which is what it is, in case you've forgotten that in the last four seconds) and you'd all STILL be bitching about it no matter what it looked like. Deal with it.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    No Harley. Period.

    by 7pointedstar

    I don't think Harley Quinn can be pulled off in these movies. She's too much of a contrast. It works in the comic, but I just don't want to see her in a movie. Period. If you disagree, that's your opinion. This is mine.<br><br>Me personally, I hope this pic is real. If it really is a make-up test photo, than I can imagine that what they've ended up with will look excellent on the big screen.<br><br>If you'll remember, the same thing happened during the production of the last movie with the Scarecrow's mask. Once sketches and such were leaked, most people scratched their heads and said..."That's it?" I loved how he turned out in Batman Begins. Pictures are emotionless. Pictures are performance-less.<br><br>I actually remember when the first publicity photo of Bale in the suit was released...and I hated it. They released a few more pics, and it grew on me. I think it worked wonderfully in the movie...but in stills, not so much.<br><br>I love this take on the Joker's look. My only improvement would be to go a little more harlequin and add vertical slits over the eyes as well - like in Bermejo's sketches. A little mime-ish. And everyone thinks mimes are freaky.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    which Superman 2

    by BendersShinyAss

    Because since Donner's cut was released there IS NO better superman film. Superman Returns was trash. as was X2. How funny was it when Brett Ratner proved himself a better filmmaker than Singer. I bet the Warner brothers are still crying that they fired him from Superman. yeah you heard me right. Anyone who thinks x2 is better than x3 is retarded.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Batman establishing himself as an urban legend works

    by superninja

    for me, too. It builds upon the idea that criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot. It's faithful to the character. Batman can withstand some touches of realism, it doesn't hurt the character so much, but when you take it too far it's just no fun. He's still a fantasy character. Maybe someday someone will learn to light Batman and use shadows! One can always hope.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Jinnjab...

    by Err

    I agree...just because Nic Cage is in a film, the studios think cha-ching rather than how about a good story that might make us more money. It seems studios are just trying to make films cross the $100M mark rather than the possibility of utilizing a good story to help take it to $200M or even $300M.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Will someone explain to me...

    by The Grey Ghost

    How a character who is a criminal mastermind with a split-open face and green hair is any more realistic than a character who is a criminal mastermind with a bleached white face and green hair? <br><br> I'm really interested to know. <br><br> Seriously, the people here who are crying for Batman to be "more realistic" are the same crowd that can't wait to watch Rob Zombie "explain" Michael Myers. <br><br> You know how to really "ground a film in realism"? Good acting, good direction, good script, etc. Basic Instinct 2 was for the most part plausible, but not at all realistic. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King was completely implausible, but for the most part, realistic. "Realism" in movies is called "suspension of disbelief." If a movie can suspend your disbelief while you're watching it in the theater, it's done it's job. Shit like making Michael Myers into a fucked up little kid or Leatherface into a disgruntled layed off butcher is just lazy shorthand in place of effective filmmaking. I certainly believe Nolan is better than that, so I would hope he doesn't pull something similiar with the Joker...

  • April 23, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm...

    by Bruce Leroy

    No, i don't like this design of the Joker. It looks way too much like the Crow. I hope this is just one of many make-up tests. Just my two cents...

  • April 23, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    X3...

    by Err

    was a clusterf***. I get fanboy on X-Men films. X3 was just bad. They took everything in the film and somehow undid everything in the last 5 minutes. Jean loves Scott. You don't kill Cyclops and focus on a love story with Wolverine. It's called X-Men. Not Wolverine 1, 2, and 3. Colossus gets one line. Juggernaut is a punchline. Just utter crap. X2 was the best out of the trilogy but not by much.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    fuck your batman: dead end loving STFU ALREADY!!

    by wolvenom

    THAT SHORT FILM SUCKED BALLS! AND THE JOKER LOOKED LIKE MY UNCLE FESTER WITH HIS FUCKING UNIBROW AND THE ACTING OF A 4 YEAR OLD PRETENDING TO BE EVIL AND CRAZY WHEN HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WTF EVIL OR CRAZY IS.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four movie

    by jinnjab

    Perhaps the greatest of all disappointments, god that movie was a shrill bitchslap to geekdom

  • April 23, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    haha!

    by Playkins

    Looks like a goofy goth rocker.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Once again, This is how the Joker looks in the comics

    by ajtk210

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Joker_new_look.jpg That Joker is faithful enough to the comics. And for the last time, even if that is the FINAL MAKEUP, WHEN HE SMILES AND WHEN HE MAKES HIS CRAZY JOKER FACES AND WHEN HE USES HIS EYES TO EXPRESS HIS INSANITY YOU WILL SEE THE FUCKING JOKER. AND IM GOING TO FUCKING MAKE SURE I REPOST THIS SAME POST IN THE DARK KNIGHT TALKBACK WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE PRAISING THE MOVIE AND POINT OUT HOW MANY OF YOU WERE BEING FUCKING ASSJACKS AND NOT REALIZING THAT THE JOKER IS REALLY ABOUT THE CHARACTER AND WHAT MAKES HIM TICK NOT HIS FUCKING WHITE FACE, GREEN HAIR, AND FUCKING GRIN, ALL OF WHICH HE WILL HAVE BY THE WAY. SO FOR THE LAST TIME TAKE A FUCKING CHILL PILL AND LET THE MAN FUCKING ACT THEN MAKE A CHOICE, FUCKING DOUCHEBAGS ALWAYS READY TO MAKE A FUCKING Preemptive STRIKE ON ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. HE WILL ACT LIKE THE FUCKING JOKER! DO YOU HONESTLY THINK HE'S GONNA WALK AROUND STRAIGHFACED WITH NO EXPRESSION THROUGHOUT THE MOVIE? NO! HE'S GONNA BE EVIL AND DARK AND BATSHIT CRAZY!!! AND THAT WILL COME ACROSS. NOW LOOK AT THAT FUCKING PICTURE AND IMAGAINE SOME GOOD ACTING AND FACIAL EXPRESSION BEHIND IT, THEN TELL ME THAT THE JOKER WON'T WORK IN THIS MOVIE BECAUSE OF A FEW FUCKING SCARS YOU DONT LIKE, EVEN THOUGH THE COMIC JOKER IS OBVIOUSLY CRAZY ENOUGH TO CUT HIMSELF TO LOOK JUST LIKE THAT. And yes I realize that whole thing was in caps and probably not the best written piece of talkback ever, but Im sure you fuckers will get my point.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Wolvenom

    by jinnjab

    Frickin' LOL

  • April 23, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    jinnjab...F4

    by Err

    I agree. I had high hopes since Marvel really backed this one unlike the "lost" F4 movie from before. Alba disappointed me as did Julian McMahon. My only saving grace was Michael Chiklis' acting and (gulp) Chris Evans' acting.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Problem with Joker, Luthor, Scarecrow...

    by Blanket-Man

    There's no sense of "WOW! How are they going to show HIM on the big screen?" These villains are boring guys with no super-powers. Check out Spidey's villains, and you'll see characters who, from the minute they're announced, fans begin speculating how their powers will translate to the "real world" of a live-action movie. Luthor, Joker, even Scarecrow, are just regular joes who like to kill people. That's why these "is this Joker or not?!?" posts don't interest me much. Ledger will look like a guy with a big smile - big deal. Now remember how cool that first image of Doc Ock was, or Sandman in his "sandy" form, or VENOM?!? (Yeah, Raimi mucked up the Green Goblin, but at least they got his flying glider right). There's no sense of wonder with the Joker - and it's compounded by the indelible impression of Jack's version (not to mention the mustachioed Romero's!).

  • April 23, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    FF

    by jinnjab

    I literally fell asleep, FELL ASLEEP, I sh*t you not

  • April 23, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    ajtk210, I'm curious...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    You said (defending the look of this "test image"): "DO YOU HONESTLY THINK HE'S GONNA WALK AROUND STRAIGHFACED WITH NO EXPRESSION THROUGHOUT THE MOVIE? NO! HE'S GONNA BE EVIL AND DARK AND BATSHIT CRAZY!!! AND THAT WILL COME ACROSS." Please tell all of us exactly WHICH role Heath Ledger has played in the past, that you're basing this assumption on.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    The Grey Ghost = right on.

    by superninja

    Deconstruction is the pits.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    oldie but goodie

    by jinnjab

    I know it's probably WAY too late for this, and you'll know why in a sec, but my ultimate choice for the Joker would have been Willem Dafoe, but somebody picked him for the Green Goblin? Weird, growing up on comics I would have never picked him for the Goblin.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I thought they made it clear

    by magnetoelectric

    he was never going to play it like Ceaser Romero or Jack Nicholson..Hes gonna play it like Heath Ledger.My advice-Try to look forward to something new.Is that so hard?

  • April 23, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...it is , kinda, The Crow.

    by Cameron1

    I think Nolan has got enough good form for me to say it will most likley look different and better on film but it doesn't excite me or anything. But then colour test aren't really meant to be exciting. Put it this way, I haven't seen anything that's put me off the movie at all. Everything else I've heard or seen about this movie has me sure Nolan is going in the right direction.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Wow, the Joker really fucked up that Rubix Cube

    by DrLektor

    the more I look at that pic the more I like it. The only thing that spoils it is the fact he's not really smiling. When he does cut loose (no pun intended) with a grin, you know it's going to be pretty outstanding. Trust in the Nolan. You can guess this much, SMG will probably end up playing Vicky Vale.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins, Dead End, and the Nolans

    by Mattyboy122

    Let's end this once and for all: Batman Begins isn't even close to the best comic book film ever made (that title is reserved for Mask of the Phantasm). Begins has a lot of problems: 1. Goyer's dialogue is atrocious. It was so on-the-nose, I felt like I was being lectured. 2. Katie Holmes. 3. Michael Caine. Yeah, he's a great actor, but he isn't a warm, fatherly figure. 4. The music in the film is hardly memorable. 5. The suit looks ridiculous. I could go on, but let's face it: Begins is a good movie, but it isn't amazing. The only moment in the film that I was genuinely excited was when Gordon flipped over the card at the end to reveal the Joker. Now, onto the Joker. A lot of people are pointing to Dead End as an example of the Joker done right. Now, maybe visually he was, but good God in heaven that man's acting was atrocious. Combined with the dialogue that made Goyer look subtle (oh, please, they're going to get into a conversation about Batman fathering a criminal while he's in the middle of apprehending him!?). And, finally, on to the Nolans. I love Memento, Insomnia was good, and The Prestige is amazing. That said, these guys are too obsessed with making things 'realistic.' Batman was born out of the noir style; he's a character that exists in a stylized world (and his enemies are a reflection of that). You can have real characters in a stylized world, you know (Citizen Kane, Night of the Hunter, etc). So after that long preamble, I must say that this look for the Joker is a nightmare (and not in a good way). Where's the theatricality? Once you remove the Joker's theatricality, he's no longer the Joker. The scarring is ridiculous and looks like a sad attempt to make the character look 'real' and 'scary.' That said, I was looking forward to this film because, despite its flaws, Batman Begins had Bale in the lead (who may be the best young actor working today) and Neeson was great in the flick. Anyway, my hopes for the film have fallen, making 2008 appear even more bleak after the dreadful announcement of Shia LeBeouf in Indiana Jones IV.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Im not basing it off of any role he has played.

    by ajtk210

    Im basing it off of the fact that the man is playing the Joker, not a gay cowboy. He himself has said he is going to be playing a very dark Joker and alot of that will come through in the Jokers facial expressions and eyes. He's focusing on making the Joker look crazy and insane, so it's safe to bet he'll make the Joker look crazy and insane. I trust Chris Nolan to direct him well, and I honestly 100 percent believe that if he wasn't up to the part, Nolan wouldn't have hired him. Anyway, there is NOTHING wrong with the makeup, as I've said this is the basic current look of the Joker anyway. It's better than anything we've had live action before, that's for sure. We've has Ceaser Romero and his White Mustache of Doom and We've had Jack playing Jack playing the Joker with a permanant grin. Alot of you aren't even giving it a chance, we haven't even seen him act out so much as a line and we haven't even seen a picture of him actually in character looking like he's supposed to look, CRAZY... People are just making totally uninforemed assumptions with nothing to back it up, and it's pretty fucking stupid and ignorant if you ask me. I'd say I make a better point than most of them. At least I have SOME logic to back myself up.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    So, by playing the Joker like Heath Ledger,

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    ...we can assume the character's going to be boring and lame? Way to raise our expectations, there!

  • April 23, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Fanboy Jism or Bile? Your choice.

    by flossygomez

    I love all this reaction from a really crappy test photo, it's like swimming in a pool of drool. I am REAL glad they aren't plastering a prosthetic grin onto his flapper, cause the Nicholson prosthetic looked STUPID.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    TheGhostWhoLurks

    by 7pointedstar

    Ledger has rarely played the same type of role twice. It's insane to think that just because he hasn't played someone EXACTLY like the Joker in the past, he can't play him now.<br><br>Michael Keaton was primarily a comedic actor before he became Bruce Wayne in 1989. For Christ's sake, he was "Mr. Mom." And he did an amazing job. He practically invented the now-standard "Batman voice."<br><br>So he hasn't played a batshit crazy psychopathic killer before. Who cares? If anything, that's a plus. With every other potential candidate for the role, you knew exactly what their Joker would be like. Adrien Brody, Crispin Glover, Tim Roth...you knew what each of them would bring to the role. Ledger has the chance to bring something completely different...and completely unexpected.<br><br>So he can't play the Joker because he's never played the Joker before? That's circular to the point of being asinine.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    hmmm this is a test shot...

    by ckone

    only a test shot...In Nolan I trust...I can only hope that they fix the one thing that to me was the weakest part of the BB film, and that was that bulky ass Batman costume...it only worked because it was filmed in complete darkness..it was covered up, and therefore all the flaws we saw in those stills didn't show up to screw with you in the film. But it was just too bulky for me, to clunky..hopefully since it was batman beginning, maybe he'll have made adjustments to the suit. I don't need grey tights or nothing...but something a little more streamlined would be great!

  • April 23, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Wow way to not turn my words against me asshole

    by ajtk210

    I didnt say he was going to play the Joker like Heath Ledger at any point. I said he was going to play the Joker like the Joker. Crazy, Insane, Twisted, and with great facial expression. Nolan wouldnt accept anything less, I'm sure. And Ledger has stated that he really feels alot of the Jokers insanity comes through in his eyes and facial expressions, so it would be LOGICAL to assume that he will go the extra mile on that front.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    GhostWho what the hell?

    by magnetoelectric

    What?Im not saying shit to lower or raise your expectation.WTF I dont own stock in Warner Bros...Alls Im sayin is weve had it 'that way' already.Now were going to get him in a 'different' way.Agree with the choices made or not the argument stands that 'something new' is really something to look forward to.Even if it turns out terrible at least its not the same ol same

  • April 23, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    The Batman Neck: Pros and Cons

    by flossygomez

    The only thing that bummed me out about the costume was the non turning neck. Shown to not so great effect when he pulled his "Samurai helmet" off. The plus of course was the thick, muscled neck giving him the appearance of a panther which was excellent. I hope they combine an agile, turning neck with the panther design this time out.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I base my argument in logic, GhostwhoLurks basis his in

    by ajtk210

    I was going to say blind fanboyism. I dont see how he could be a blind comic fanboy...The Joker in that picture is pretty on par with the way the Joker looks now. And he cant base his point in logic, because he hasnt seen this version of the Joker in character in any form. So really the only evidence we have of how is character is going to act is what's been said. And it's been said he will act very dark and insane. My point stands over his.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    So as a collective: NOBODY likes the scars??

    by Mike_D

    I supposed him in just the make up would be better? HES SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE A FUCKING CLOWN! OF COURSE HES GOING TO WEAR MAKE UP! The scars dont hurt it either you fools.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    7Pointedhead...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    No one expects him to have "played the Joker before," but there should AT LEAST be some indictation in past roles that he's capable to pulling off the role. And quite frankly, there's NOT. Most of Heath Ledger's performances have been simply lackluster (if not outright bad) and I can't remember any role he's played where he's been charismatic in his performance. Even when he starred in "Casanova," playing the greatest lover in history, he simply SUCKED, killing the film. He's the male version of Halle Berry: a painfully weak actor whose starring roles routinely TANK, yet for some twisted reason continues to get high praise. The only difference is, he's nowhere nearly as attractive. You wouldn't hire a guy to work on your car, if he didn't have a good track reacord of knowing what he was doing. So WHY would you assume an actor like Ledger, who hasn't proven examplary in ANYTHING he's acted in, could convincingly handle a tough role like The Joker?

  • April 23, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    More than the Joker in a Nolan-made Batman movie...

    by KnightShift

    I want to see Bane. Not Bane like how he was done in Batman and Robin (hey Harry it's coming up on the tenth anniversary of that travesty) but how he was originally portrayed in Knightfall. In Nolan's hands, Bane onscreen would be *awesome*!

  • April 23, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    They've made some claims about the costume too

    by DrLektor

    like the fact it's going to be ditched early on for that exact reason, it's too bulky. I think Bruce will be forced to lose a lot of his tech, just focusing on the skill and training. I hope, I really am praying they've watched Dead End and found a way to make the simple grey vest and tights work in this movie. I want a Batman I can remember for the rest of my days. Bale is the man, Begins was the primer, only the costume needs to be right.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Matty, Batman should be realistic in the same

    by superninja

    sense Indy is realistic. He's a romantic adventure character. In Batman's case he is driven by justice which I think Begins successfully touched on, but robbing the genre of all its fun in the name of realism is a big mistake. Joker is Hitchock scary, not Rob Zombie scary.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    One thing really annoyed me in BEGINS.

    by DerLanghaarige

    The city! It wasn't Gotham City, it was Am City! Okay, maybe Gotham looked in the comics like every over big american city (I must confess that I never read a Batman comic), but for me, it was too much realism in that point.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    The Scars and batsuit

    by The Nothing

    I think sunken scars would be pretty damn nice, to be honest. It would give him a crazier look and also give him a constant grin, unlike raised scars which don't add anything at all and don't really look too much like a grin. If he does it himself, it'll be even better. The batsuit isn't that bad, and I may be mistaken, but I though that the neck did swivel. I remember them making a big deal about it in a few magazines before the movie came out and I could have sworn there is at least one scene where he moves his head without moving his body. Also, I think a less bulky costume would be alright, but not the light gray variety. Batman needs to be dark, not bright. Also, while bulking down could be ok, spandex is just kind of gay, no matter what. It worked for Dead End, but I don't think it would work for a more serious, two hour movie. Just my opinion but, Superman always looks a bit goofy in the movies, and I think that has a lot to do with the fact that he wears form fitting spandex. In the comics he looks alright though, just not in real life.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I hope this isn't real

    by Rupee88

    The Joker has looked a certain way for 70 fucking years, but now they want to dramatically change him for the movie....just as dumb as casting Michael Keaton for shock value. Why don't you spend your time writing a good script instead? Oh yeah, that would be much work....

  • April 23, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Again,.

    by magnetoelectric

    What roles did Keaton play that let TPTB know he can pull off Bats?Gung Ho?Mr Mom?Hugh Jackman as Wolverine?what,the musical Oklahoma?Tobey Maguire can be Spider-Man because of Pleasentville?Tom Jane can be Castle because of the dude he played in Boogie nights?

  • April 23, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    I keep hoping each of the films will get more

    by superninja

    theatrical as things escalate it effects the environment and the citizens themselves as costumed heroes and villains begin to emerge.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    The Problem is...

    by StayBeautiful

    ...the nose. It makes him look so plain looking, It should be distinctive. But other than that its pretty cool. I know its a dull picture but I hope they use a "brighter" white ala Batman 89, and bright red lips.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Zarlie

    by Duke of Hurl

    Your "test shot" gets an F. You get an A for "ass".

  • April 23, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    So, Ghost, you've seen every single Heath Ledger movie?

    by 7pointedstar

    Surely, you must have. Because I would assume that you would never make a statement as assuming as "who hasn't proven exemplary in ANYTHING he's acted in" unless you had seen every single movie he has ever acted in. So let's have a look at IMDB and see.<br><br>Have you seen Blackrock? Paws? The Patriot? Monster's Ball? Lords of Dogtown? Candy? Most people have seen 10 Things I Hate About You, so you've surely seen that one. How about The Order? Ned Kelly? You've seen each one of these movies? Every single one?<br><br>Because if that's the case...I'd say you might have an obsession. Maybe you should learn how to quit him.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Going down EdRyder's list...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Michael Keaton: He's crazy in real life. Hugh Jackman was an unknown to American audiences... who knows what TPTB saw that we never have. Tobey Maguire: Everything he's ever done has been a variation of Peter Paker. Tom Jane: his Punisher wasn't exactly a fanboy's wet dream, now was it? More like Diet Punisher.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Ya'll sound like gossiping fat women @ the salon.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Who cares?? Whether it is or is not real, it's obviously an early makeup test shot, so its null and void. Just wait for the movie/official trailers to come out. And no need to gossip on Spiderman 3 either. Its basically almost out.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    7pointed...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Yep... seen most of them. Like most people here, I watch a lot of movies. And like I said, Ledger's performances are generally pretty weak.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    *** moviemack ***

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    WHAT SAY YOU??? SHOW YOURSELF!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Jack only did batman for one

    by emeraldboy

    reason he was broke at the time and now he aint. Goyer said that when they killed off the joker in the Burtons Batman. He vowed it would never happen again. I think Nolans batman made more sense. His parents were killed by an associate of Carmine falconio. Batman brought them all down but the twist was that the scarecrow let all the sickos out of arkham.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    There is No origin for The Joker.

    by wowsah156

    In the continuity The Joker doesnt have an origin. Thats the whole point behind The Joker. He is a mystery to The Batman. His opposite in fact. The Bat only stops The joker through sheer persistence and detective skills that GCPD dont have. If anything The Joker is closer to a terrorist in philosophy and outlook since he cant be bought. So shoosh about the "origins" that dont exist.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    By the way, Batman Begins wasnt that good.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    It has almost no re-watchability unless your a comic book nerd. It's too long and draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags like crazy. And also, the music is completely forgettable. 1989 movie is way more casually re-watchable as a late-night, before bed thing.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Wow some people..RUPEE88

    by ajtk210

    I have posted this three times now. The movie is not really changing the look of the Joker radically, the comics already did that a few months ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Joker_new_look.jpg He now has a permanant smile pretty much like that.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Wow some people..RUPEE88

    by ajtk210

    I have posted this three times now. The movie is not really changing the look of the Joker radically, the comics already did that a few months ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Joker_new_look.jpg He now has a permanant smile pretty much like that.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    THEY PUT FLAMES ON THE JOKER???

    by ckone

    when they do that , count me out. until then, I'm buying Nolan and his new Bat world.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Wowsah Read The Killing Joke

    by StayBeautiful

    There is your origin story.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    "'He now has a permanant smile pretty much like that."

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Except, in the comics, he DOESN'T look like he's ripping off THE CROW.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    If it is Real then I Like it and Here is Why...

    by OGREISHERE

    1. The new Batman franchise seems to be grounded in reality. Let's face it you can not have that smile in the real world. This pic seems to be staying in line with that. 2. While it does seem crowish is that really a bad thing??? The first Crow is one of the all time great movies and having the Joker makeup as a homage is just cool. 3. Not having the litteral ear to ear smile will make it so he can hide easier in public view. Anyway that is my two cents.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Also..

    by ajtk210

    Look at the Spiderman movies, they radically changed the Green Goblins look, but he still acted like the Green Goblin. They Radically changed Venoms look and orgin story but he'll still be Venom. Harry same thing. Sandman never had a daugther, but he will in the movie and it'll probably work. ECT...And honestly this Joker isnt really a big departure lookswise from what we're used too..

  • April 23, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    ajtk210

    by Rupee88

    I haven't been following the comics the past few months, so maybe you are right about that. But if the comics changed his look radically, it would just be a gimmick like if the movies did it. But people are stupid and gimmicks sell both movies and comics, so go figure.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I have no good reason to say

    by cyberskunk

    I have no good reason to say anything, but I'll say anyway I wish the Joker in this movie didn't have a knife scar on his face, or perhaps I should say I hope he doesn't have a knife scar on his face, but if he does, that's the way it goes. <p> I started thinking, "What if Joker from the playstation 1 game 'Klonoa' were in the movie instead?" but I don't think that would work well.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    I think some people are looking for an excuse to

    by emeraldboy

    kick a film. One that has just gone into production. that is one bad parts of the internet. A fuzzy looking photograph from a fuzzy angle is taking by a paparazzi. Then downloaded in seconds around the world and some are all alread saying this sucks and cant believe WB are playing this game. If anything WB should not be showing anything from this movie untill next year. I am talking about legit photos and stuff.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    That pic looks nothing like Heath Ledger

    by kilik777

    I agree with the people that say Batman Begins was not as good as people think it is. It was a great departure from all the kiddy shit but it still wasnt great. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do

  • April 23, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    ajtk210 redux

    by Rupee88

    Yes, they did change the Green Goblin and he looked fucking stupid. The Sandman's look is nearly identical to the history of the character and it looks great. Why didn't they just give Spider-Man a new costume and "still have him act" like Spider-Man and everything would have been great? You are saying retarded things.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Just because he looks like this now...

    by Swoomustdie

    Doesn't mean that is how the Joker will look at the end of the movie. It could be the same as seeing dear old Jack from the first movie before his dip in the old Axis chemicals. The talkbackers would explode over the 'cheap, 20's fop of a joker' not realizing that the old grinning freak was in store for them later. With all the facial casts, wigs, and masks that have been snapped and reported of so far during this movies production, my money is that this is simply the Jokers 'normal' look, while he will get a more fucked up version later on.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Except You've yet to seem him act like the Joker.

    by ajtk210

    You cant say this Joker will be bad based off of one emotionless picture. It's not logical. Look Im not saying Chris Nolan has a better eye for talent than you do or anything, but if he thinks Ledger can pull it off I'm willing to bet that he probably can. Remember, he's never played anything like the Joker ,he could very well end up playing a perfect Joker, maybe this is the type of character he's best at playing. You don't know. But I'd say he probably auditioned, and I'd say Nolan probably liked what he saw, so I'd say we have nothing to worry about...get over the fucking scars. The Joker is about the fucking CHARACTER. The other shit comes second. I'd bet money that as soon as he begins to act on camera, all that crow ripoff shit you're spewing will be forgotton.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    If anything

    by StayBeautiful

    they should speed up the press shots, that way people stop shitting on unfinished designs like its the final product.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Where's his bird?

    by Rikrik the White

    You know, the one that gives him his immortality until he can kill the Batman in revenge?

  • April 23, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Help me to complete the list:

    by DerLanghaarige

    - Scars on Joker<br> - Nipples on batsuit<br> - Organic webshooters for Spidey<br> - Black leather for X-Men<br> - Flames on Optimus<br> - African American Catwoman<br> - Galactus as a cloud<br> I know there is more.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Dear god... I didnt know

    by StayBeautiful

    Dear god... I didnt know there was still people who wanted The X-Men in bright spandex on film.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Kakihara the Crow

    by DOGSOUP

    Sory Dark Knight crew, you'll never get rid of the Crow association with this design. Heh, The Crow: Wicked Prayer totally failed so that's not a good idea. Kakihara is still the coolest villain ever to come out of Miike's mind. I shouldn't even be thinking about the Crow or Kakihara, I should be thinking about The Killing Joke. Back to the drawing board please.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    The Ghost Who Lurks

    by superninja

    Who know what Singer & Co. saw in Jackman? I think that's pretty obvious. He's smoldering and magnetic. Just thought I'd add that.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    NO ORIGIN STORY....for the love of God.

    by 7pointedstar

    The Joker doesn't need one. All you need to know is there's some homicidal psycho killing people for what appears to be the mere amusement of it. There is no definitive comic book origin for the Joker, something which Alan Moore alluded to in the very book everyone keeps insisting is his origin story. The only one who knows the Joker's background is the Joker himself, and it changes every time he tells it. Maybe there's a Red Hood, maybe something tragic happened to his pregnant wife...but no one knows. That's the beauty of the character. Almost every other villain in comic book history has a well-documented origin story, some reason they are the way they are. The Joker doesn't.<br><br>I would be happy if Nolan decided to go a completely different route. I could see a petty thief/bank robber/low-life becoming the Joker. As much as I love the Joker, I don't want to see the same old thing on the screen again. I want to see something new and something different...as long as it respects the personality of the character.<br><br>Truth be told, I'd rather there be no origin whatsoever, but I know the movie-going public would never go for it. But I am anxious to see what angle they do take.<br><br>And Ghost...thank you for proving my point. The word "most" just killed your argument. Most...but not all, like you were alluding to. Once you've seen every single performance Ledger has ever done, then I will believe that he isn't qualified for this role.<br><br>Even if that were the case...if Hollywood performed to your apparent standards, each actor would be typecast to the very first role he ever plays. You've never heard of branching out?

  • April 23, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    My Point was Rupee, that

    by ajtk210

    The Green Goblin looked retarded, but he acted so much like the fucking Green Goblin that people still loved the movie. You cant get away with that with a Character like Spiderman, because the Red and Blues really define him. And the fans would have had a shit fit. The Joker on the other hand, is really defined by his personality. I will grant you this, if they totally changed his look, for example. No Green Hair, No Bleached Skin, No Grin at all. I would be just as pissed as anyone else. But they didn't they slightly altered his look, and it does happen to match the current Joker, which btw was a really good read, so you should get around to it. Im not for the total hacking of the way a character looks either, but as long as he looks close enough and this guy looks like the fucking Joker and ACTS THE PART, it's ok in my book. Maybe that makes a little more sense now?

  • April 23, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    My Point was Rupee, that

    by ajtk210

    The Green Goblin looked retarded, but he acted so much like the fucking Green Goblin that people still loved the movie. You cant get away with that with a Character like Spiderman, because the Red and Blues really define him. And the fans would have had a shit fit. The Joker on the other hand, is really defined by his personality. I will grant you this, if they totally changed his look, for example. No Green Hair, No Bleached Skin, No Grin at all. I would be just as pissed as anyone else. But they didn't they slightly altered his look, and it does happen to match the current Joker, which btw was a really good read, so you should get around to it. Im not for the total hacking of the way a character looks either, but as long as he looks close enough and this guy looks like the fucking Joker and ACTS THE PART, it's ok in my book. Maybe that makes a little more sense now?

  • April 23, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    atjk210

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    The general public knew NOTHING about the Green Goblin, Venom or Sandman before the Spider-Man films came out, so the producers could've made them look like Cabbage Patch Kids and the majority of moviegoers would be none-the-wiser. That said, Venom's look and origin, as well as Sandman's look were remarkably similar to the comics... close enough NOT to get comic fans in an uproar over the minor changes made. The Joker's look, on the otherhand, is WIDELY well known to the general public, though the 60s Batman show, the successful '89 film and numerous Batman cartoons shown on TV over the years. To toss the iconic look of The Joker and practically ape the "look" of the main character from another film (The Crow) isn't just lazy and unimaginative, it's stupid in the sense that producers risk not only ticking off and annoying comic fanboys, but also the general public, who expect to see a character they recognize as "The Joker," but might end up getting a bad actor in powder makeup, instead.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE KILLING JOKE

    by torontoxic

    Hey tards!! <P> That back story is told BY THE JOKER. He's not exactly right in the head. ergo...The story is bullshit!!!!!!!!1 <P> Understand? Holy crap. I've only had to point that out to 2 million people or so over the years.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Just because

    by StayBeautiful

    Batman wasnt there at the red hood scene doesnt mean it didnt happen. He doesnt need to be there in The Dark Night either, but the audience needs some sort of explanation for The Jokers origin, they can see it happen on screen but the other characters in the film dont need to. Whats to say he doesnt wander out of the chemical plant when no one else is around, after everone figured he died? You can still have that on screen for the viewers but have it remain unkown to everyone in The Batman Universe. I think you need some sort of explanation and I dont think there is anything wrong with that one to warrent coming up with something else.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    AICN please stop posting these

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    god you think for the budget this film has, THIS is what the joker will look like? uh, no...plus that doesnt even look like Ledger at all.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Ghost you know what we could do this all day

    by ajtk210

    So how about we agree to disagree on all points and wait until something more concrete comes out ok? Im sick of trying to change the opinions of people over the internet for the day. It's 80 degrees outside, and Im sitting in my fucking room arguing about the Joker and a Batman movie for the better part of the day. I'm going out, lol, anyway it's just a movie, not worth creating enemies over, even online ones. So lets agree to disagree, and at least the two of us can be sensible in contrast to most people who will argue this point against eachother and not change anyones mind all fucking night long. General Message to everyone: We all have our opinions and obviously we're not going to change them, and we're not going to able to change eachothers, so lets just say fuck it, and wait and see until something a little better comes out....ok?

  • April 23, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    atjk210, you say:

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    "Im not for the total hacking of the way a character looks either, but as long as he looks close enough and this guy looks like the fucking Joker and ACTS THE PART, it's ok in my book. Maybe that makes a little more sense now?" Except for WHY you think Ledger has the acting chops to pull it off. The guy's starred in numerous films for YEARS. What has he done that convinces you (and SHOULD convince US) that he can play a good Joker? Simply because "he says so?"

  • April 23, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    ajtk210

    by monkeybrow

    hilarious stuff...

  • April 23, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Origin Story

    by The Nothing

    I don't think the Joker needs an origin story at all. Look at Scarecrow in the first movie. Sure we had that whole getting shot in the face with his own nerve gas(or w/e) which explains why he's insane later on (if he ever resurfaces), but in reality he was an evil prick to begin with. How did he get like that, what prompted it, what's his reason for being an asshole? Who knows, they never told us, and in the end, who cares? He was still an interesting character, and the Joker will be even more interesting as a completely insane, homicidal, sociopath who runs around being the exact opposite of Batman. All we really need to know is that he does what he does because Batman does what Batman does. That is what I've always got out of the character. He exists because Batman does, and I think The Dark Knight Returns got it best, if Batman went away, so would he. That's all the audience needs to know.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Obviously, we all very bored.

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    :)

  • April 23, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    What did Christopher Reeve

    by StayBeautiful

    What did Christopher Reeve do to convice us he could be Superman, sometimes youve just got to have some faith in the directors choice and Cristopher Nolan has had a pretty decent track record with his casting choices.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Fine, one last point and them Im leaving

    by ajtk210

    I think he can because Chris Nolan thinks he can. Chris Nolan has seen him act like the Joker, we havent. So unless Nolans vision of the Joker is an emotionless monotone piece of shit, I have to believe he'll be able to play the Joker up to Nolans standards. Which are based off of the Jokers first few appearances and the Killing Joke. He wants to make the Joker dark and insane has he's stated numerous times. I have alot of doubt that he would hire somebody to do the job that sucks. The short of it is this: He's seen Ledger play the Joker. It obviously sat very well with him and his vision of an insane and dark Joker. I dont need to have faith in Ledger, I have faith in Nolan's ability to cast the part well and if HE has faith in Ledger based off of actually seeing him act the part(something we have yet to do) Then I have faith in him playing the part. Anyway I hope that clears up why I feel the way I feel, if you don't agree that's fine, as I said let's just bury the hatchet and agree to disagree if you want. Peace

  • April 23, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Fine, one last point and them Im leaving

    by ajtk210

    I think he can because Chris Nolan thinks he can. Chris Nolan has seen him act like the Joker, we havent. So unless Nolans vision of the Joker is an emotionless monotone piece of shit, I have to believe he'll be able to play the Joker up to Nolans standards. Which are based off of the Jokers first few appearances and the Killing Joke. He wants to make the Joker dark and insane has he's stated numerous times. I have alot of doubt that he would hire somebody to do the job that sucks. The short of it is this: He's seen Ledger play the Joker. It obviously sat very well with him and his vision of an insane and dark Joker. I dont need to have faith in Ledger, I have faith in Nolan's ability to cast the part well and if HE has faith in Ledger based off of actually seeing him act the part(something we have yet to do) Then I have faith in him playing the part. Anyway I hope that clears up why I feel the way I feel, if you don't agree that's fine, as I said let's just bury the hatchet and agree to disagree if you want. Peace

  • April 23, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    STFU about STFU about THE KILLING JOKE

    by SpyGuy

    If that's what Christopher Nolan is passing around for people to read, then that's the look and standard that Nolan needs to follow. And unless this pic is complete bullshit (and hopefully it is), then Nolan completely misses the mark on the Joker's appearance. Here's hoping he can get the tone right...

  • April 23, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    StayBeautiful...

    by 7pointedstar

    ...actually, Batman was there in THAT version of the story. It was actually very similar to how it was done in the 1989 movie, plus a red hood and minus a few other things. Batman shows up as the Red Hood is running away, Red Hood gets cornered by Batman, then jumps over the rail into the vat of chemicals.<p>I still don't think this is how it should be done in The Dark Knight. As a matter of fact, as I've documented quite heavily, I don't think it should be done at all. No origin needed. It's fun to speculate, but in the end, it's just not needed.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    He does look like the CROW in these pics..

    by ckone

    but that's not a bad thing, but I do hope that there is a reason for the scars,like maybe batman slashed his face in half with a batarang or something...that would be pretty cool. better than batman dropping him in acid..I always felt like he did that on purpose...i always thought that the Killing Joke was the origin story, at least the best one, but I could care less about seeing that on film, I would rather spend more time on Batman being a detective hunting him down..And I so hope to god they don't do the personal connection to the bad guys that they are doing with Spiderman..I love those movies, but when are the bad guys just going to be bad guys, I don't want to always sympathise with the fuckers...I want to be able to say that guy was bad, and the good guy beat him...at least a couple times....

  • April 23, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    I stopped blindly trusting directors' decisions (even good directors) a long time ago. Especially when the people they choose has proven with their past performances that they're the LAST people who should be given certain roles. And most of what Heath Ledger's performances have shown is that he simply doesn't have the acting chops or innate charisma to make a convincing, maniacal Joker.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Derlanghaarige: Don't forget...

    by SpyGuy

    <p>- Bruce's dad as the Absorbing Man</p> <p>- African-American Kingpin</p> <p>- Elektra that isn't Greek</p> <p>- Doctor Doom as a corporate metrosexual with an American accent</p> <p>- The Thing looking like a burn victim</p> <p>- Young Lois with Superman's kid</p> <p>And several others, I'm sure...</p>

  • April 23, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    how one big fan envisions the joker:

    by tibbar

    dark green hair, oily, stringy... like seaweed. two sharp and animal-like eyes; watchful, bulging, bloodshot. a thin and dagger-like nose. long, cracked and unaligned teeth. blistered and taught lips pulled back across the cheeks and chin in an almost skull-like manner. dark peridontal diseased gums. forehead and jawline protruding the way a malnourished person's would. a laugh that sounds like wet, broken glass being shredded in a combine. that is what i see in my head. he's all extremes, i think that is a fact alot of people are forgetting. he's not just a dude in face paint, and he's not some hannibal lecter either. he's insane, in a way that only this character has ever really been portrayed as.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    jfp2006

    by Mattyboy122

    I like how you just call me a jackass and let that be that. You could have, you know, voiced a counterpoint, but I guess calling me a jackass works just as well... At any rate, superninja, I have to agree with you on the escalation thing. That's how I saw the sequels to Begins moving (more and more from realism to stylization), but it looks like we're just going to get more of this Law and Order, paint-by-the-numbers style.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Enter The Joker...

    by Pagliacci

    First off, we know Nolan's going for a pseudo-realistic look, in that we, as audience members, watch the new Batman trilogy and think "well, just maybe that could happen..." That's the whole point of the Batman franchise since it's creation. And Ledger has said he's going more with an Alexander DeLarge/Clockwork Orange approach, rather than over-the-top Nicholson. So this look is PERFECT for THIS FILM. Even if this look is not finalized, which it isn't. Who would you be more afraid of to meet in a dark alley: Nicholson's Joker or that crazy lookin' psychopath at the center of this talkback? Also, I don't know how anyone can give any semblance of legitimacy to Batman: Dead End. And the Spider-man films are good? I suppose if you're big on cartoon action, as well as boring plots and horrid acting.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:19 p.m. CST

    ...must stay awake through

    by jimmy rabbitte

    yet *another* Joker talkba..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • April 23, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Seriously, talkbakers....

    by hitchhiker42

    Yes...you all think this picture (which is still yet to be confirmed) looks like the Crow...wow...stop repeating it. I bet you are all the same people who dissed Nolan for even trying to "touch" Burton's BATMAN, and then when it kicked you square in the nuts, you happily bowed and said "OMG Nolan is God" and now you turn on him again....tsk tsk.. Also guys, look carefully at the pic, it may look like he has six fingers, but really his hand is just at a crooked angle and the fuziness of the picture makes it look that way...cmon...Heath with 6 fingers? Dumb guys, real dumb....

  • April 23, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    ghostwholurks...

    by ckone

    maybe I missed it on the above posts, but did you like Batman Begins? Because I think what your missing is that most people or fans who loved this movie have accepted that Nolans vision for Batman is one we all mostly enjoyed. I for one was very pleased with Begins, not that it was perfect, but enough that I can place confidence in Nolan that he would cast someone with the "chops" to do the part justice. Look at begins, every character in it was cast brilliantly, even the weakest link, Rachel Dawes, still had enough to pull it off...my point is this is somehting you can't change, he's been cast, you yourself feel there is no proof that he can pull it off, I don't have proof either, the only thing I can say with confidence , is that Nolans version of Batman, was deeply influenced by the comics, it stayed true to the comics and it came out rather well. So ,that is all the proof I need to believe that he knows what he is doing. We saw the results on screen already, it's time to trust him. I would be suspect if he had cast some overbloated fat guy who has only played himself for the last 20 years on film, as the joker...sorry Nicholson fans, but as much as I loved BATMAN89, he still was Jack Nicholson...his only range is to play himself...not that that's a bad thing, but I never envisioned a fat old Joker...I remember thinking that the guy in the alley with the big grin should have been the real Joker...at least then...sheesh...

  • April 23, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    What are we expecting?

    by Orionsangels

    The Joker! http://tinyurl.com/32q5dr not that mess up there. Willem Dafoe should have been cast. joker should have a skinny long face.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels

    by The Nothing

    For the time in Batman's life this is taking place in, Willem Dafoe is too old. Otherwise, I'd agree with you even though he already did Green Goblin and after doing one villian, I'd rather not see him do another.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Dropping loads all over the real Joker

    by crackerfarmboy

    Man, that doesn't look to good. But who knows how it will ultimately look.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Enough with the casting choices...

    by Pagliacci

    The Joker will be played by Heath Ledger. Get over it. And I'm quite confident that Ledger will kick ass in the role. This is one of those total immersion actors, who falls completely into the role, almost becoming deluded by it. Fantastic! In fact, I'd like to see even MORE realism. Ditch the green hair! Get rid of those scars! Just make the smile a little wider. This Joker is not supposed to be flashy like Doc Ock or Green Goblin or any of the Fantastic Four. Thank-the-fuck-christ...

  • April 23, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Nicholson ate your mom

    by Duke of Hurl

    I hate it when Nicholson haters say he has no range. You need to watch more movies, ckone...

  • April 23, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I LOVED Batman Begins, ckone...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    One of the few films I saw twice in the theatres (I'm cheap), and one that gave me hope that we'd finally see a strong, dark portrayal of the Joker. As you said, Nicholson's Joker was basically Jack playing Jack with heavy makeup on. The good thing about that, though, was Jack does psycho really good, naturally! Plus he has astonding charisma on the screen, skinny or fat. Ledger, however, is no Jack Nicholson or, quite frankly, even a Cesar Romero, who had a successful career as a ladies' man in films before the TV Batman. Ledger's just WEAK as an actor and not someone with a lot of natural charisma on the screen. Certainly nowhere near the level of creepy magnetism the Joker should evoke.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    ckone

    by Mattyboy122

    If you think Jack only plays one type, then you've never seen his early films (Five Easy Pieces or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, for example). When he became an icon he sort of settled in to playing his persona, but at least his persona is magnetic. I thought he played the Joker wonderfully. The Joker is supposed to be over the top, otherwise he wouldn't be the friggin' Joker.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    That can't be right

    by CherryValance

    That must have been a really bad initial idea of what the Joker should look like. Besides the Crow, it looks like all those guys who tried really hard to get their Frank-N-Furter make-up right.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Mattyboy122

    And that 'new look' for the Joker, ajtk210, looks nothing short of retarded.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Duke,

    by ckone

    I'm not a Nichilson hater..I've seen alot of his movies, and liked them, but he IS always himself...you know of any other actor who has played characters named after them selves? And he was great as the Joker, but he was still Nicholson...with added dance moves and laughter...

  • April 23, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    It's not about the look, it's about the character

    by dastickboy

    TBH I could give a flying fuck what Heath Ledger ends up looking like, so long as they nail the character that's what I'm most keen to see. People rail on about Killing Joke but it is true, the Joker in that is the character I want to see, a total balls-out psycho. Ichi the Killer style scars, fine, green hair, whatever. What I want to see is someone who makes Batman take a step back and think "I thought I was the scariest thing in Gotham, but this guy is off the rail." It's got to make Batman take the next step up.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    That's what I mean about Nicholosn..

    by ckone

    his early work is vastly different from his Icon status work. Again, I am not hating on him, but when you cast Jack, you get Jack...Anyway, Ghost, we will have to see how it pans out on film with Ledger, I have not seen enough of his work to have a valid opinion of his skill, so to me it's almost as if he is an unknown...wich is fine by me.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Nolan wants realism, not fantasy!!!!

    by Foucault

    So, it's logic that the Joker gave himself his creepy, scarry smile. Let's hope Ledger pulls it off.

  • April 23, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    ckone, I wish Ledger WAS an unknown...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Maybe then, the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach would disappear...

  • April 23, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Haters read this...

    by 69DUDE

    Y'know some people will NEVER be happy with anything. That's just a basic fact of life, especially on the internet. Personally, I'd won't be happy until I see THE REAL Batman squaring off against the Joker. By that I mean, a blind rodent with wings struggling with a playing card. Bring it on Nolan!!

  • April 23, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    You're wrong DerLanghaarige!!!!!!

    by Foucault

    -Scars on Joker? Right! -Nipples on batsuit Wrong! -Organic webshooters for Spidey? Right! -Black leather for X-Men? I doesn't look bad, but I guess is uncomfortable for them, so it's wrong! -Flames on Optimus? Eeeeer... wrong? - African American Catwoman? are you racist? - Galactus as a cloud? Do you have any idea how much this movie is costing me?

  • April 23, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    ghost...

    by ckone

    My suspicion is that Ledger has been wanting to shed his pretty boy status...this might just be his finest moment...we shall see.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I hope that Joker is a bit tougher than

    by MrJJonz

    Scarecrow and his demise doesn't involve some bird with a lopsided face and taser.<P>Also please god do Gordon justice in this film. You got a brilliant actor who looks like Gordon . . now give him a role and dialogue worthy of the character

  • April 23, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Can't believe they got Ledger and not Adrian Brody

    by Drath

    Dumb casting choice, I really think they botched this one. I won't mind be surprised, but I'm really not convinced even by this make up. And the way Nolan (and most of the studios) are so afraid of fantastical elements doesn't inspire me. I still think people should be mad they killed Ra's Al-Ghoul. The guy is DEAD people, there will be no Lazarus pits in this series! Again, I'd love to be wrong, but I don't think I am.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    It's 5 PM EST and WB hasn't taken this down

    by The Grey Ghost

    Batman-On-Film (hardly the most credible source on the internet either) is calling both pictures fakes after having consulted with their "contacts" at the studio. <br><br> Yeah.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    It's fake

    by Ham andCheez

    Dudes, stop bitching, it's definitely fake. Check Batman-On-Film.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Drath

    by MrJJonz

    For some reason hollywood seems obsessed with a Batman that kills or allows people to die when he could prevent it. It is a massive crime against the character that gets overlooked

  • April 23, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Yep, Jett declares it a FAKE

    by Primogeniture

    Thank goodness, it looks terrible.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    All hail the Jokrow.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    you heard it here first.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    its a FAKE, the guy who made it fessed up!!!

    by Mike_D

    check it out: <br> <br> http://www.superherohype.com/ forums/showthread.php?p=11556864&posted=1#post11556864

  • April 23, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    IT'S A FAKE! JACK NICHOLSON PHOTOSHOPPED IT!!!

    by Err

    He was tired of people saying Heath could be the best yet.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Just came back in to see this

    by ajtk210

    Wow all that arguing, for nothing, lol. Peace

  • April 23, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Damn seriously.........

    by MichaelCorleone

    This pretty much shoots this site in the foot. I'll admit the photo had me fooled as well, but then again, I'm not writing for a website. Check your sources people.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I like it.

    by mr. brownstone

    It looks beleivable.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    even if it is fake

    by mr. brownstone

    I still like it.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Wow Rockatansky

    by The Grey Ghost

    Way to kick a dog when its down.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    by Dr. Rockso

    The faker has a thread posted on SuperheroHype! Punked twice in one day!

  • April 23, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    When SHH! debunks AICN, then AICN hits new low...

    by Err

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • April 23, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Man, this site has lost a lot of credibilty

    by Volstaff

    They get scooped on a regular basis with real movie news. The BBC was reporting Ed Norton as the hulk days before AICN, and now this. If it weren't for the Hroes and BSG coverage, I'd just about give up on this site.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Never rub another man's rhubarb!!!!!!!!!!

    by performingmonkey

    Yes it IS FAKE!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHBWEHEHEHEFWUHUHUHUHUHU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    The Creator comes forward....

    by Blk_Kryptonite29

    http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11556864&posted=1#post11556864

  • April 23, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5558

    by Dr. Rockso

    http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11556864&posted=1#post11556864

  • April 23, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Good work.. I kinda dug it

    by T 1000 xp professional

    yep its true,on the Superherohype talkback the creator of the pic just confessed to it being a fake. Kudos to him. It wasn't a bad direction.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Ceaser Romero rests peacefully again

    by MontyPigeon

    Thank the Lord the fakeness has been revealed for the crap it is. This is a great day.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    WHY I DON'T BELIEVE THIS

    by ImJustSaying

    I don't really believe these pictures because on BATMAN ON FILM they once had an interview with a comic book artist who had two concept drawings for the Begins sequel, one for The Joker (which was a ridiculous one with his mouth slashed wide open and scars through his eyebrows), and Two Face (which was basically a burn victim version of Denzel Washington). Both of these Joker images seem to be very much based on that illustration, of someone who was in no way involved in the character design of these movies, so I'm calling bullshit. That said, I liked the previous image A LOT, and this one not so much, not a fan of the eyebrow scars at all. But you know what, I'm really glad he's got darker green hair and we know NOTHING about how the Joker is going to be until we hear him and see him tearing shit up. This man needs to be a psychotic force of nature, not Nicholsen. All I ask is PLEASE NO ORIGIN STORY!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Sorry I spelt the best Joker evers name wrong

    by MontyPigeon

    All this fakeness if faking me out. Where is Michael Bay to blame for this?

  • April 23, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    All in all, kudos to the faker.

    by Dr. Rockso

    to be fair, he did do a damn fine job on it, but I guess AICN is so desperate to regain their past credibility that they are jumping on anything that seems like a scoop now that noone will give them one.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    The slicked back hair

    by Jor-El23

    reminds me of Alex Ross' Joker. Bad ass, can't wait.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    BOF: It's Fake

    by The Only Woj

    http://p088.ezboard.com/fbatmanonfilm81780frm18.showMessage?topicID=1891.topic&index=71

  • April 23, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Forget Inglorious Bastards

    by The Grey Ghost

    Quentin Tarantino's next movie should be about Quint and Moriarty being shot and left for dead, then waking up from their comas to exact revenge upon Harry and Rockatansky. <br><br> I'd pay to see it.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    So, you could say "THE JOKE'S ON US!" BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

    by Err

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • April 23, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    It had us all FUCKING FOOLED though. Cunt!

    by performingmonkey

    Just goes to show the state of things. I'm going to watch Memento...

  • April 23, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Getting *clowned*...

    by Heckles

    by the dudes on superherohype.com, that's just sad.

  • April 23, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Tee-hee!

    by Zarles

    I wonder how many mothers out there will be doing laundry tomorrow morning and say, "Gee, I wonder why Junior started shitting his pants again?"

  • April 23, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Harley

    by themanwhojaped

    Harley Quinn is in the comics now...

  • April 23, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    ...

    by Angry Golfer

    Pwned

  • April 23, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    problems with the Joker beyond looks...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    I liked Batman Begins a great deal in spite of its flaws. But one thing i couldn't overlook was how Goyer and Nolan divorced Batman from every aspect of his character other than being a tech ninja. Batman isn't a scientist, mechanic, nor - and this is most important - a detective. Those aspects of Batman are dispersed amongst his supporting cast. And though i have much respect for the character of James Gordon, Sherlock Holmes he is not. So what we have is a glorified tech ninja going up against a psychotic criminal mastermind. The Joker is not the terror he is because he's a loon with a gun. He's dangerous because his plans are the plans of a deranged genius that will most certainly result in the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people if his plans aren't figured out. It takes an amazing detective to do it, not a tech ninja. In order to make an adversary the Batman can handle the joker has to be changed into something a tech ninja can deal with because the Dark Knight Detective isn't what Batman Begins offered.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Thank god.

    by riskebiz

    Hopefully a bullet was dodged and Heath won't look anything like that.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Crow wannabe

    by kafka07

    I remember while Batman Begins was filming and a rumored pic of the batmobile was posted by Harry and turned out to be a fake. Hey Crow wannabe, Sherwin williams wants their palette back.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    hello, detective

    by Captain Vidal

    i too, agree with a hopeful leaning towards the detective aspects of the batman mythos. i think heath is a great addition to the film and our latest joker, if he looks anything like the fake above, will be very very cool-ee-o

  • April 23, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Its all good...

    by david19

    Maybe AICN, being that they have gotten quite well known outside of the net, are trying to be more of a reliable source for news, but personally I dont mind stories like this. As long as they point out that it could be a fake, I see no problem throwing it out there. It gives us something to throw around, and maybe now Warner can look in and see public reaction and make changes as necessary. Everyone wins.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Photoshop: 2. AICN: 0.

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Let's go for the hat trick folks.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Well, thank heavens.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    This film still won't rise to Burton's ankles and Ledger's Joker won't be a pimple on Nicholson, but at least it won't look *that* bad. (Of course, it might turn out to look worse...)

  • April 23, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    whaaah!!

    by Napoleon Park

    I want everything to look exactly like whatever image I have in my mind of what it's supposed to look like because I am the ultimate arbiter of what I like, so I'm not going to ever go to the movies again until they invent a telepathic film process that reads my mind and gives MEEE exactly what IIIIIIIII want!!! *** LOL. These AICN talkbacks can be so amusing sometimes.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    nice job tho

    by landster

    Back to three fuzzy shots. Warner must be laughing their heads off.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Conned by the Hype again :)

    by black_dust

    Brilliant manip though

  • April 23, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Haha, what a KILLING joke

    by Evil Hobbit

    And it's goooood, love this gossipy speculating semi-flame war talkbacks.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I didnt call shenanigans earlier

    by George Newman

    but i did feel it. I hated how the image was slightly out of focus. couldnt get a look at the crisp-ness. I thought his forearm looked a little awkward and unnatural in its positioning.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Frankly sir I dont Like it

    by Phategod2

    But on another Topic I'm tired of all the Hater Hating. What the hell is the problem with people who cant stand someone who doesn't share your opinion. If a person doesn't like the direction of the movie so what let that person speak there mind. THer not being condescending towards anyone else so why do people feel the need to tell someone else to shut up just because they share a different view. Next time you want to call a Hater a immature shut in, maybe you should take a long hard look in t he mirror. With that said I still have faith in Nolan, I Nicolson's joker the best, and I'll still probably pay to see this. Anyone wants to hate on me feel free, I'm a TINO talkbacker and used to it.

  • April 23, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Don't sweat it, Quint

    by Ribbons

    Like you said, comes with the territory. I'm sure it's embarrassing, but trying to scoop these films is part of this site's appeal.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Just like the FAKE FF2 screening Seattle....

    by warpspasm

    FAKE!

  • April 23, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Even the FISH are laughing!

    by Mike_D

    Get it? Because the Joker makes laughing fish in the comics? ...nevermid.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    You are Forgiven Sir

    by OGREISHERE

    Just get some spys on the set and get a real pic!!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    I SAY GOD DAMN, WHAT A RUSH

    by AlwaysThere

    Love the Faux news this sites been running since inception.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    IT'S FAKE!!!

    by martydmc12

    First of all, why the filmmakers would need a color balance for a still photo makes no sense. And second of all, the biggest tell-all that it's a fake, is the Warner Bros. logo in the corner. Notice how they spelled Warner BROTHERS. If this was official, there is no way in hell that the studio would mis-spell it's own company name... it's always been WARNER BROS., not WARNER BROTHERS.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Poor Quint

    by Darth Thoth

    This is hilarious. Don't sweat it dude. All you can be blamed for is getting a little too over anxious to share something with us! That's just love man and here's props right back to you. I'm excited for this movie too. And soon enough we'll see some Joker pix pop up. Until then...

  • April 23, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    AnakinsDiapers

    by Darth Thoth

    Good point regarding Batman Begins' deviation from Batman the detective, etc. And also your points about Joker. I feel you on that. I loved BB but you have a great point.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Was this your card? ...Was THIS your card?? ...

    by Flim Springfield

    <b>

  • April 23, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    What many people seem to forget..

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Is that the Keaton/Kilmer/Clooney movies payed homage to the camp Batman TV show and not to the comic. So when people say that their definitive Joker is Nicholsons take on it, (and he was pretty cool in that role), they're actually disregarding alot of work in the comic

  • April 23, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    You all are fools.

    by MonteCristo

    I said it was Photoshopped from another board (SuperHeroHype) from the beginning, but everybody wanted to argue. Quint, why didn't you just follow my advice and take the blasted thing down?!? Sigh...

  • April 23, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Bull-shit-o-meter

    by david19

    The moment I ever hear anyone giving props to either Burton's Batman or Dead End, right then and there their opinion of anything Batman automatically gets filed into my "People who dont know shit about Batman" box. <P> Dead End was corny as hell, I like Keaton but he was five feet tall, Nicholson has those great sharp eyebrows and devious grin but didnt have the laugh (which Mark Hamill nailed) and was short and pudgy. <P>20 years later Nicholson was the only redeeming thing about a movie that was ok as movie's go, but ultimately the opening act of a bad Batman interpretation, unsatisfying at its beginning, and embarassing at its end. Kilmer was a better Batman anyways. <P>Nolans interpretation, though not without its flaws, if it continues in the direction will be a series that will remain for a long time, and wont need a revamp for quite a while. I'm still uncertain about Ledger (My top favs for Joker standing with Adrian Brody, William Fichtner, or the psycho dude who played T-bag on Prison Break). This look I thought was ok, not my first choice, but interesting, but ultimately its about the way Joker is played. Ledger's remarks on how he sees Joker made me wary (something about Joker being more about the eyes, not the laugh). I hope he is just referring to the buffoonish Cesar Romero-type Joker. If they go with a Killing Joke/Man Who Laughs/Animated Series(minus the saturday morning censors) type Joker, with a dangerous, creepy laugh, whether its the scarred-face type dude, or the more traditional style, just toned down slightly in his dress, then Im happy, though I do prefer my Joker with his trademark purple suit.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Devin Faraci on CHUD is a total ass

    by BrowncoatJedi

    "Aint It Cool will delete the story about the Joker picture and act like it never happened," Devin just wrote on Chud. No, AICN retracted it immediately, and they always do. What a lying asshole.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    To Quote

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    "It is like putting up a photo of Fisher Stevens in a polo neck and saying it is Bruce Wayne." <p>ROFLMAO!!!!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    fucking morons

    by troutpencil

    Wasn't the first pic enough to make you people at least SLIGHTLY suspicious of the new one? I really fucking hope none of you ever actually see whatever makeup scheme they are using. Maybe miracles can continuously prevent you from ever seeing pictures or footage of it until you are dead, so no one else has to read the fucking gibberish you produce in response to pictures of comic book characters whenever they surface. judging by the amount of retard bitching on display here, when the Joker IS finally seen, it will not be pretty for the rest of us. it will likely resemble a scuffle at a dungeons and dragons convention. two obese 24 year olds in Japanese Schoolgirl Vampire Hello Kitty shirts getting riled in a debate about how comic book characters should look and dropping their bags of cheetos on the ground and charging each other. magic cards spilling out of backpacks, tiny clawed pale hands slapping each other weakly as they shout names of anime werewolves and battlewary mothers running out of their cars and across the parking lot to rescue their children. god help us all.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    AnakinsDiapers

    by blindambition238

    I liked BB, dispite the facts you pointed out which was probably the one thing i didnt like about the movie as well. I was hoping that maybe that they wouldnt emphasis his time with the league of shadows as the begining and end of his real training. If we're lucky though, but I doubt itll happen, maybe in the next and later movies they can have Bruce reference or flashback to other moments of his time abroad that we didnt see in Begins, where hes learning from zantanas dad about being an escape artist, or learning to be a chemist (which will probably be a really useful skill in DK). In the animated series and especially comics they always would throw in something like that if the plot needed it, maybe theyll do it here.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    the maker also proved proof...

    by CorpseRide

    ... that it WAS Heath Ledger's photo he used. So all of you "It's not Ledger" posters just got handed your asses. Don't cry, just learn.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    david19

    by TiVo1138

    I think I know quite a bit about Batman. I've been reading the comics since I was a kid and I think I've pretty much covered all major Batman storylines of the last 20-30 years. Yet I still enjoy Tim Burton's Batman and Batman Returns regardless of how well they follow their source material. Batman Begins got the characterization right, but in my opinion it depleted all of the romanticism from Batman and Gotham City. I've always thought that if you had the look of Batman Returns, the score of Batman, and the script of Batman Begins, you'd have the perfect Batman movie.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Ledge as Joker still "suspicious" to me

    by jorson2

    The idea of Heath Ledger as the Joker still bothers me, and I'll explain why in the third paragraph. To preface, I, frankly, love BATMAN BEGINS and have confidence that THE DARK KNIGHT will be a good (if not great) sequel and a good movie on its own merits. Nolan was true to the comics, the visual and adventurous nature of the characters while still being as believable and "realistic" as he could given the material. It is dark without being one of those movies that you watch and its darkness is very self-aware (if a movie can be self-aware... sorry, bad terminology). It's as mature as it can be without alienating the childhood audience, which is smart because as much as most of us would probably like to see a hardcore, Miller-esque R-rated Batman, ultimately, it's cinematic value would probably be more novelty than anything lasting or reputable. Ledger as the Joker, though? Okay, I admit, I'm not familiar with his work beyond his role as Mel Gibson's son in THE PATRIOT, and I'm still stubbornly stuck on Nicholson's performance in 1989. However, the Joker, as a villain in the Batman canon, probably has more personality in his pinkie finger than half a dozen other Batman villains combined. And yet, to me, Ledger just seems like a blank slate. Though I've never seen it, I've read that even as good as his performance is in Brokeback Mountain, he plays the calmer, more subdued, salt-of-the-earth cowboy next to Gyllenhaal's character (whose sister, ironically, seems to be replacing Katie HOlmes... hmmm). I have to ask myself exactly what Nolan is trying to do here, especially since he and his co-writer(s) swear to presenting a Joker the way he was presented in his first comic book appearance(s), characteristically and aesthetically. I can understand wanting the Joker to be closer to Bruce Wayne / Batman's age than Nicholson was to Keaton in '89 -- it seems a smart if not, in hindsight, obvious choice ala the casting of Topher Grace as Maguire's "evil" doppelganger in SPIDER-MAN 3 -- but I'm afraid it's going to be exceedingly tough making Heath Ledger believable as a truly dangerous psychopath, in his actions and his looks, and that's not even taking into account the comic timing that MUST be present in an actor portraying the Joker. I sort of see it as paralleling the placing of Cillian Murphy in the Jonathan Krane / Scarecrow role. He just barely managed it in my opinion, and still looks too young. What always bothered me was that they didn't seek him for the part. He auditioned for the role of Batman and Bruce Wayne, wasn't right for that but the filmmakers liked him anyway so they just handed him the second bananna villain part. I know, pre-judging these things at this stage is rather stupid, but it's being done anyway and as much as I care for the material, dammit, I have to vent. Now that I think of it, if Christian Bale wasn't playing the hero, he'd for sure be a better choice to play the Joker than Heath Ledger. Frankly, the only way I can conceive of them pulling this off is for them to give Ledger as little dialogue as possible. I know, Joker is supposed to crack jokes, but I just don't have the faith in Ledger's acting charisma (not ability). I just think that if he works well in the part at all it will be when he's not talking, just grinning and glaring at people while mowing them down with an uzi or laughing gas. Disturbing, still, since Joker is definedly an outspoken character.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins

    by david19

    Did right: Christian Bale, Morgan Freeman, Batcave, Liam Neeson, Thomas Wayne, Gotham City, Flass, BATMAN <P> Did wrong: Katie Holmes(not horrible, but c'mon! Of all the hot actresses why her?) Scarecrows rather awkward exit, the final kiss <P> Coulda done better, could do better: Batman's unequalled badassness in detection/fighting, Gordon (Sam Elliot was my first, but Gary Oldman? Can't complain too much!) The Batsuit which remained awkward, but the promise of a more mobile suit is exciting, the Bat-tank which was a lot of fun but i want to see something a bit more practical and traditional. <P>And I must stop and bitch for just a moment at the completely unnecessary, unwanted return of Rachel Dawes in the form of the more talented, but even less attractive Maggie Gylenhaal.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Hahahahahah!

    by Bruce Leroy

    The Joke is on us. Thank god it's a fake! Didn't like the design but that's a damn good Photoshop fake! Now let's see your version of Galactus. A blue cloud, green cloud, yellow cloud or a pink cloud...

  • April 23, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    david19

    by underscore_only

    Anyone who says "Val Kilmer was a better Batman" goes on MY list of people who don't know shit about Batman.

  • April 23, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    While we're on the subject.....

    by Jobacca

    Batman Begins was a good film (compared to the Schumacher years) it just wasnt entertaining. The whole damn film should have been a 15 minute flashback in a much better movie. For all its faults (Joker killing the Waynes,Batman killing goons)the first Burton film is just more fun to watch and a much better film. Although Mask of the Phantasm rules them all!!!

  • April 23, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Don't be harshin' on Quint's mellow

    by AICN Nazi

    I'd rather AICN be overly aggressive in posting stuff and fall for the occasional hoax than sit on legit scoops and then get scooped by another site. It's a no-win situation for AICN, so I'd rather they err on the side of posting stuff than not posting stuff. I'm talkin' about you, Mori. And Harry too. They both have admitted to sitting on script reviews and other cool news. Fuck that shit. Quint's cool in my book, tho.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Can they make The Joker scary?

    by performingmonkey

    Considering this movie won't even go as far as Burton's Batman due to the rating, will The Joker even be scary? Surely he's supposed to be. Nicholson's Joker did a couple of freaky things (burning the guy to death with the hand buzzer) but the humour was always there due to Nicholson's performance. A part I always like is when he shows Vicki the mask and says 'Alicia threw herself out the window...but to make an omlette you gotta break some eggs' and he smashes it, it's fucking hilarious. Maybe every one of his lines is quotable - 'where does he get those wonderful toys?' 'Batman! Can somebody tell me what kind of a world we live in where a man dressed up as a BAT steals my press?' 'My balloons...those are my balloons...HE STOLE MY BALLOONS!!' There's no way there'll be anything that quotable in The Dark Knight.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Hmmm.....

    by AKRay

    Neither of these fake pics looked very convincing. Why would test shots be so flippin' grainy and soft looking? Just to blend the fakery in a little better, that's why.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    TIVO 1138

    by david19

    Hmm Im seeing what you are saying, and I think i agree. i dont want to completely bomb on the first 3 movies cause I loved them as a kid, but ive rewatched a lot of movies i liked as a child and while it wasnt a a disaster if i knew then what i love now about the comics i would have been pissed. As it is, there were some good things about it, one being the city design, but even that became ridiculous in Returns and after.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Kilmer vs Keaton

    by david19

    In a fight Kilmer would win. In my book that makes him more convincing Batman. Also Forever was just a bad movie, but that doesnt change the fact that performancewise he played a better Batman. But really, when it comes down to it, its like betting on track-racing at the Special Olympics. It may be entertaining but are you really going to argue with the guy next to you about who is the better athlete on the field? <Bale makes the whole, "who is the best Batman?" question kinda obsolete. But only cause I dont count Kevin Conroy.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Dont trip Quint

    by magnetoelectric

    Like the guy from batmanonfilm pointed out-Sony still hasnt released an 'Official Pic" of Venom. Even tho now we can see him clearly in the trailers..Seems like the only way were gonna get the inside juice on Joker is going to be a set pic or a leaked test

  • April 23, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    This site hit rock bottom a while ago....

    by Forestal

    But this is pretty low....That being said, thank God these pics are fake....

  • April 23, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    spin, spin, spin

    by The Grey Ghost

    Listen, there's nothing wrong with getting excited about movies. There may in fact be something wrong with getting OVER-excited about movies, but that's pretty much a null point, because we're all guilty there. I think if AICN simply ran a fake pic of the Joker (Or even two fake pics of the Joker... or even two fake pics of the Joker on the same day!) we'd be ribbing them about it, sure, but it would all be in good fun. I mean, we're excited too and we'd have probably fallen for the same thing (or something like it) if we were in their position. But the problem is this comes in the immediate wake of Mori posting those GENUINE set photos hours and hours after they'd been out on the net (TBers who posted links to pictures before the story "broke" mysteriously found themselves "disappeared") and then rambling on about how he only put them up begrudgingly and that we deserve something more "official" (So which one is it? Do you want to be Entertainment Weekly.com or don't you?). <br><br> Guys, we don't care if you flub a story, or two, or three, or eight. You're not CNN. You're a movie rumors and news site. It's all in good fun. But don't go screwing over your readers, you know? We're all in this together.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    THANK GOD

    by tile_mcgillus

    That looked like shit and I was worried. What kind of douchebag does this type of stuff...the ultimate in raging cockwhoredom. What could possible be gained from this? Bad pathetic geek! BAD!

  • April 23, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Blindambition238

    by AnakinsDiapers

    The problem with the "flashback training" is that Goyer and Nolan wrote themselves into a corner concerning Bruces' training. In the movie he is portrayed as a troubled young man. He's a guy who hasn't come to terms with his parents death. He has this anger and rage that he doesn't know what to do with. He doesn't come to a decision on his lifes direction until he has the conversation with the mob boss. Bruce in Batman Begins wasn't a boy who chose to give up all childish things after seeing his parents murdered. The obsession isn't there. The dedication to training his mind to master the sepcific skill sets needed to accomplish his goals isn't there. Nolan would have to ignore much of the first half of Batman Begins to establish detective Batman.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    AnakinsDiapers, what about his obsession

    by Bronx Cheer

    with crime and the criminal mind? People who are as obsessive as "Begins" Wayne was can find deep reservoirs of discipline. Besides, all that training involved cool weapons, and if he was killed in the process, I don't think he would have given a damn.

  • April 23, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    SHIA LABEOUF IS CONFIRMED TO PLAY ROBIN IN THIS FILM!

    by Err

    He's gonna be all like "FWOOSH!" and "KAPOW!"

  • April 23, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    I'm all about change for the Joker

    by alienindisguise

    Him being slashed up makes a whole lot more sense to me than him putting on makeup or being twisted by toxins...My only beef with Nolan is that he can't film a fight scene for shit but I like the emphasis he puts on the characters. Knowing that the Joker will be the main villain, I'm just wondering if the Scarecrow will show up. That would be one hell of a tag team.

  • April 23, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I think there's really only one thing to say...

    by Vadakin

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <p> oh and on a serious note... <p> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <p> AICN fooled twice...were both fakes by the same guy? Who cares. Guess we'll just have to wait for an official pic <p> Oh and one last thing... <p> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <p> AICN has been "JOKERIZED"

  • April 23, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    He looks like Val Kilmer in Real Genius

    by Orionsangels

    If he got in a bad accident while wearing makeup

  • April 23, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Is this how far AICN has fallen???

    by LeeLuDallasMultiPass

    I mean, seriously. In the age of superior photo-shopping techniques, you'd think that the contributers to a movie website as popular as this would take all the precautions to ensure what they are posting is 100% legit. The first post I can forgive, but to have it debunked as being fake and then post ANOTHER in its stead is a sign of complete incompetence. Journalistic credibility is more important to this Talkbacker than getting the "scoop" ahead of another site. I've been surfing this site since '99, and I really think it's time to move on elsewhere....

  • April 23, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    No, don't go!

    by Bronx Cheer

    We need you!

  • April 23, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Twice in one day!? Jesus...

    by Mr. Moe

    Not only that, but because you thought it was Nolan’s Joker you guys was sucking dick and being all apologetic for the image. LMAO! Nolan could do anything to the Joker and you guys would make it out to be the greatest thing ever, but God forbid someone changes Galactus!

  • April 23, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I don't know about you guys...

    by The Real McCoy

    But just to make my lame ass self feel better, I think I'm going to threaten to visit other movie web sites instead of this one. Only to come back in two hours, salivating for the next big scoop. For crying out loud. A really clever prankster fooled a couple of internet journalists who don't bother playing it safe. I'd take a Quint and Mori over some E! or EW reporter anyday. What didn't kill them will only make them stronger. Or something like that.

  • April 23, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    What a huge boner.

    by losder

    nt

  • April 23, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    dummies.

    by RetroActive

    it's called corroborating your sources. C'mon now. Journalism 101. I'm not saying your actual journalists, but please do just a wee little bit o' homework! Ya dummies!

  • April 23, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Honestly though, how many

    by StayBeautiful

    Honestly though, how many other sites get caught posting "fakes" as much as Aintitcool?(The only other movie site I regularly check is but chud and they never seem to have this problem) And not to bash the site but its sort of become common place on other more relaiable sites to suspect the truth to the exclusives here.* Come on guys check your sources before posting this stuff, its starting to look bad. *(Its basicly a running joke on superherohype everytime a comic based movie gets into production to get harry or quint to post a fake pic and drool over it)

  • April 23, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    So is Shia really Indiana's son, after all?

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    From People magazine: "20 year old actor is working out daily to portray Indy's son. 'I run for one hour and lift weights for two hours. Definitely, I never trained like this for nothing, in all my life. I'm preparing myself as if I was going into the battlefield.'"

  • April 23, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    RE: AnakinsDiapers

    by blindambition238

    That's a good point you have there, as Bruce didnt decide he wanted to be a vigilante until late in the game compared to the comics lore. Still, I dont think that they completely wrote themselves into a corner in the chronological sense as Ras mentioned Bruce was traveling the world and stuff for some time before the league where he could of picked up some things. But yea, it would probably feel a bit forced in there if they did a flashback thing. And the more I think about it the less I dont like Lucius Fox's role in BB since hes just a plot device to get bats his gadgets and distill the scifi talk; I like him better as the guy who thinks Bruce is a lazy dumbass. But we'll have to deal with the fact that in a Batman movie, he probably won't ever be able to be the world's greatest detectives or one of its best minds since by nature theyll always have to be action movies where hes going have to blow something up to get results instead of using his brains.

  • April 23, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Shia Jones Jr - Whole story here.

    by The Artist FKA Vesuvio

    http://tinyurl.com/2w37r5

  • April 23, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Don't you think the Joker laughs at you?

    by Flim Springfield

    Ho Ho Ho! Hee Hee Hee! Ha Ha Ha!

  • April 23, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Also

    by StayBeautiful

    I'd like to add to my last post that I hope that Harry, the mods, or whoever respond to this. And hopefully not just in this talkback. Take the time to address it in an article or something.Ive slowly started to question the integrity of this site over the past few years. AintItCool has become synomonous with movie scoops, unfotunitly it has also left me questioning every exclusive Ive read here in the past 2 years. You're losing ground to sites like Chud(just an example, not trying to promote them or anything) who have come to offer not only vastly more reliable exclusives(check and check their sources, then check again) but also offer messageboards which offer a lot more orginization in terms of conversation between the readers and writers of the site.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIC CAGE'S HAIR IN 'NEXT'

    by thebearovingian

    We know you're balding, Nic. We had to look at your ridiculous hairdo in 'Con Air' and now this? Why are you doing this to us?

  • April 24, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Bruce's training

    by Gwai Lo

    The training he received from Ras was like finishing school. He was training his whole life, that's why he beat up six guys in prison. He was in prison to get a better understanding of the criminal mind. Remember when he said "you're practice"? He may not have solidified his plan to become Batman until after returning to Gotham, but his desire for justice clearly extended way before meeting the League of Shadows.

  • April 24, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Please guys recommend other sites

    by bomardv

    This kind of made me make the decision...besides chud could you recommend other sites?

  • April 24, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    jorson2

    by oisin5199

    If you doubt Heath, you should really see more of his movies. Like Monster's Ball. Or especially Brokeback. If it wasn't for Philip Seymour Hoffman, he would have walked away with the Oscar that year. Sure his character is more 'subdued' than Gyllenhall's. But his character also had many more layers, and he was able to convey an amazing range of emotion by doing very little. That, my friend, is an actor. I can't wait to see him as Joker. And Batman Begins may not be the best comic adaptation (my vote's for History of Violence), but was certainly the best superhero film ever. The Spider-Man movies have been good popcorn entertainment with easily digestible morality, but Batman Begins was more adult, complex and interesting, I DID care about the characters, and for once, it made sense for someone to be a superhero. I know many people disagree with me, but I loved every minute of Begins and cannot wait for the sequel.

  • April 24, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Please add other sites in order of reliability:

    by bomardv

    1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8 9 10 11.Aintitcool.com

  • April 24, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    and oh yeah, for acting 'charisma'

    by oisin5199

    see Knight's Tale or Casanova. These may not be great films, but Ledger's charisma certainly makes them watchable. Even though a lot of people rip on Knight's Tale, I thought it was kind of fun in its cheesiness. I still think Ledger will be able to pull off a nice balance between charismatic and psychopath. And your idea that Bale would be a good Joker, only confirms why he's so good at Batman , since the two are so linked psychologically.

  • April 24, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST

    I bet you they'll change the look based on

    by Doc_Strange

    The overall negative reaction people are giving in the talkbacks. Warner seriously can't afford to lose the Bat franchise again so expect a lot of fan service with the look of the Joker. Hell, I'll be surprised if they do go along with something similar to this. But really, going this route just says "lazy" to me. The Joker is one of the greatest villains in DC, hell, in comicdom, so I don't think they'd do something so stupid as to screw the fans over because doing that equals a loss at the box office. Yep, Transformers again. FUCK that movie!!!

  • April 24, 2007, 2:19 a.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = PHOTOSHOPED JOKER

    by ZombiKiller86

    Fo sho.

  • April 24, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Other Sites...

    by The Real McCoy

    ...JoBlo.com is my personal fave. They update often and always entertain. I give 'em a 9 for reliability.

  • April 24, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Thank God - BULLSHIT

    by Steve Rogers

    I always had a suspicion it was bogus, thank Christ it was. Looked like absolute arseflakes.

  • April 24, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Are your lives so empty...

    by Wee Willie

    ...that you have to have a massively long thread of posts about a freakin' make-up test?

  • April 24, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST

    my joker photoshop pic (not ledger tho)

    by Ali786

    http://tinyurl.com/3yymtk

  • April 24, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST

    yup

    by kingoflight

    whats your reason for posting wee willie is it becuase your fat and mummy does not let you out of the house.

  • April 24, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Flossy Don't Care

    by flossygomez

    I'll take a bag of dogshit with a green wig and red lipstick. Katie Holmes is gone, what else do you frackin want?

  • April 24, 2007, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Ya know in the Godfather Special Edition DVD...

    by Sundaycall1

    ...Where they included a screen test for Robert DeNiro auditioning for Sonny (awesome) as a sort of extra bonus for what if fans? Wudn't it be interesting if for this movie (on DVD) they included an extra showing Christian Bale acting out a full scene as the joker (complete with make-up)? After American Pyscho and Harsh Times you knwo he can play a lunatic...twud be interesting me thinks. Oh and give Ledger a chance! No one wanted Jackman for Wolverine, people scoffed at Michael Caine as Alfred and what about Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze.....ok, scratch that last one.

  • April 24, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Who gives a shit, he'll have green straggly hair..

    by quantize

    ...it's Keith Ledger playing the Joker.pretty fuckin obvious how he's gonna look

  • April 24, 2007, 6:37 a.m. CST

    The Superman Returns sequel will blow

    by performingmonkey

  • April 24, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    performingmonkey...

    by Freefinger

    is right! "Superman Returns Yet Again" will blow chunks.

  • April 24, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    hahahahaha!

    by brassai2003

    you dicks fell for it! hahahahaha! "no way!" "Looks like the Crow!" "I won't be seeing it!" hahahahaha...get lives people.

  • April 24, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Note to Mori, Qunit et al....

    by brassai2003

    c'mon guys....this is the same thing that happened with the Galactus cloud and the test screening....do you guys print EVERY rumour/unconfirmed pic you get in the in-box. I'll have to try it sometime and see..... Yeah, you don't want to be EW but Dark Horizons isn't either and they score pre pics, he just has enough secret sources to check them before he posts them.

  • April 24, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    One things for sure ....

    by riskebiz

    If this is ANYWHERE close to what Nolan was envisioning .... he's in trouble. Backlash on this was bad.

  • April 24, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns2 will rock ass

    by liljuniorbrown

    Sorry fuck wads Singer will produce given the chance.We all forget, most of the time (FF not included) producers and directors take on these properties and they want to deliver good material. The studios are so interested on selling happy meals and T Shirts that they pressure the film makers and writters to add kiddie stuff or date movie bullshit to try and draw numbers. Nolan and Singer are awesome filmmakers and can deliver.

  • April 24, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    was superherhype designed by a blind teenager with ADD?

    by BadMrWonka

    I can't find what Quint was linking to about the guy admitting authorial status and showing how he did it...I just see a bunch of nerds yapping at each other. it's like here except they're even bigger nerds! <p>any help guys? I'm curious to see how someone makes one of these things.

  • April 24, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Funny thing is...

    by 7pointedstar

    They're "holier-than-thou" nerds who get pissed when they're compared to Talkbackers. Who would have thought that there would ever be a nerd echelon...one where you actually aspire to be more nerdy than the next guy?

  • April 24, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    If it looks like shit and smells like shit...

    by ATARI

    then it probably is shit.

  • April 24, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Guess the Joke's on AICN

    by Fecal Debris

    we got pwned

  • April 24, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    People need to lighten up

    by Fecal Debris

    The site is "Aint It Cool." And, fake or not, that was a cool manip that got everyone talking, and maybe Nolan's listening. This was a productive talkback. Let's not lose sight of that. And Mr. Nolan, please make Joker's nipples a dingy green. That'd be sweet. Okay, back to hate flames.

  • April 24, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    lighten up? I don't know if it's AICN's goal...

    by BEARison Ford

    ...to be taken seriously as journalists, web or not, but if it is, then what the hell. Not one, but TWO bogus stories are posted within hours of each other, SAME subject. I understand the need to be the first one with the "scoop", especially on internet movie sites, but geez. I don't know Quint or anything and I really don't have anything against him. I understand the enthusiasm in wanting to put something like this up ASAP but an insane and inane shitstorm was put forth solely because Quint was unable to accurately check with his sources, whether at the WB or otherwise. Internet movie site or not, sloppy journalism is sloppy journalism.

  • April 24, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Well shucks,

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Nolan is one of the only cats out there to do these films right. I enjoy all his films. Thats rare these days.

  • April 24, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I don't know if Harry and Co.

    by Fecal Debris

    intend to be taken seriously as journalists. I suppose they do NOW, after all these years. But I think the site was started as a forum for "cool" movie stuff, and let's face it, most of the things pertaining to geek movies that we all want to talk about are things still in production or pre-production. So, unlike real "news," there isn't always easy access to hardcore facts. It's more akin to weather forecasting than CNN headline news. Lots of guesswork and speculation involved, and sometimes you just don't have access to verify the info. It's a rumor-based thing.

  • April 24, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    One of the buldings caught fire today

    by abcdefz7

    ....according to TMZ. http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/24/ holy-s-t-fire-on-the-batman-set/

  • April 24, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Gay

    by YO MOM'S GOAT

    That is all.

  • April 24, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    does anyone notice...

    by DarthSlater68

    that the words: LAME FAKE JOKE DUMB FOOL and HAHA All have 4 letters, and all will be used shortly...

  • April 24, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    oh my god, someone jsut give me the link, please

    by BadMrWonka

    to where this guy claims responsibility and shows how he did it. please. that's all.

  • April 24, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    link

    by abcdefz7

    http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11556864&posted=1#post11556864

  • April 24, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    original link

    by abcdefz7

    http://www.superherohype.com/forums/ showpost.php?p=11556815&postcount=3864

  • April 24, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Hahahaha! all you fools who were defending it!

    by Orionsangels

    Just goes to show you how many of you are predisposed to like anything you love just so it succeeds.

  • April 24, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    wow, what a suprise....

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    one look at those pics should have been enough to know they were fake. smooth move Quint.

  • April 24, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    The Chuds are jealous, that's all there's to it.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    AICN has actual scoops every week (and some fakes. Gee, how can that be!) while Chud has... what? Nothing. The biggest "exclusive scoop" they had this year is a fucking trailer for a video game. A sequel to a video game at that. And they are so ecstatic over having even something as lame as that that they've been pimping it with a huge banner for over a week.

  • April 24, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Its probably not even close.

    by fractureJonze

    I once saw a quick cut of a xenomorph claiming to be Spidey 3 footage get pulled at the request of Sony because it looked too much like Venom. But then again, that was sony.

  • April 24, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Where Does He Get Those Wonderful Toys?!

    by MarkoOhNo

    All I could find was this damn giant Rubik's Cube!

  • April 24, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Hey, I looked up gullible in the dictionary...

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>and that joke is older than the boil on my ass, and I'm old. Get off Quint's back. Regardless what opinions any of us had about these two BS pics in the early going, if you are giving Quint shit this late into the Talkback, you're just piling on. You're like the fourteenth little kid to come by and kick someone who just had his ass kicked. Sure, you're tough now. And don't give me any shit about "I'll say what the fuck I want, you douchebag" because there's something called simple courtesy. There are rules, and then there are the unspoken guidelines by which humans live their lives...and you don't pile on. You just don't.</p> <p>Having said that, I do have a legit gripe. FINISH THE ROCKY CONTEST, QUINT! What the hell are you waiting for, Rocky 7?</p>