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Is this the face of The Joker? Hell nawwww!

Hey folks, Harry here... I leave the house for an hour and a half and this goes up. Sigh. Mori and Quint got a bit too excited to quickly. It's something easy to do, but the gray t-shirt, I'm thinking just would never be a Joker look... ya know? And sure enough - our ever-vigilant talkbackers found the pic on Comics2film - that was used to make this pic. This is 100% BS. AICN got punk'd. Well, Quint and Mori did. Heh

D'oh! Quint here... oh well... we'll do better on the next go 'round... For the record, I knew the pic wasn't a screen grab, but a proof of concept picture being used in the production offices to give an idea of what Joker would look like... and methinks someone might be calling the kettle black, especially since that someone also told me to go ahead and post it... just sayin'.

"Moriarty" here. You guys are both fucking crazy! Christopher Walken IS SO playing Darth Bane, and no one can tell me otherwise! ... what? This isn't about that? I'm sorry... what was the question again?!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a really damn cool image for you. Forget that fuzzy far-away snuck pic. This is the first glimpse you're getting at how they're handling the Joker in THE DARK KNIGHT. Our source is new, but his/her story checks out and jibes with the whispers that have been coming out of the production. My guess is that this is one stage of the make-up. We know that Ledger has the green hair from that previous pic and I'd imagine we'll see some form of the white make-up, the clown aspect. But this is what is described as a "proof of concept" still. My understanding is that the image below is what the Joker will look like at the beginning of the film and that he'll change by the end. Click on the below to get a bigger version.

If this is just the beginning, I'd love to see a full color, official shot. Right now there might be concerns about looking too much like the CROW, but I love the look of the mouth scarring, like he did it himself to give him that permanent clown's grin. I'm really liking the look of Heath Ledger here and I can't wait to see the whole enchilada. Thoughts?

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  • April 22, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    I've got news for AICN...

    by pip1345

    That's fake. His hairline's further back now. That looks like a doctored photo from 10 Things I hate About You or some shit.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by TheDohDoh

    Good looks on mentioning the Crow, I was just about to say that.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Not much to comment on / FIRST?

    by Nick Michalak

    Not much to comment on, and perhaps I'm first? Like you said, need full color to be sure. Plus, we're not even sure Ledger's in FULL makeup here. So, it's hardly anything to judge Nolan's Joker upon. -NJM

  • April 22, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Pretty cool

    by magnetoelectric

    Smart changes always have my approval

  • April 22, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Looks more goth than anything Burton ever did.

    by KongMonkey

    I still can't see this guy doing a decent joker. Hope he doesn't give anything an enema in this one.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by richfinshu2

    Still not crazy about him in this role...still think Brody's the better choice...the scars at interesting, could have been worse, coulda been flames...

  • April 22, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Looks like Joker tried to bite the "whole enchilada"

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    spliiiit. Ouch. Can't say I'm convinced but I'm sure it looks better on film.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I'll pay that

    by Latauro

    Nolan and co get an automatic benefit-of-the-doubt after BB, but even so, I think they're going in exactly the right direction with the Joker's look. The scarring is perfect.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I've got news for pip1345

    by generationofghosts

    10 Things I Hate About You was awesome. Can't imagine how this would be a fake. How many Heath Ledger movies feature him with dark eyeshadow? Doesn't look like a photoshop job.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I Think This Is From 'The Making Of The Crow'

    by georges garvaren

    Who's with me?

  • April 22, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Are we sure that isn't Jared Leto?

    by Jewfro Tull

    30 Seconds To Batman

  • April 22, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    That looks pretty damn cool to me...

    by FilmFanatik

    Even without the final stage make-up.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by pip1345

    Compare this photo with the one that's confirmed to be true. Look at the hairlines. Look at the coloring. Do you honestly think people can't photoshop "dark eye shadow"? But then again, I'll defer to you since I'm sure you're a photoshop expert. And 10 Things I Hate About You? Is shit.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    AICN on the rebound

    by The Grey Ghost

    Good for you. Congrats. <br><br> And yeah, it does look a whole hell of a lot like the Crow, but we'll see...

  • April 22, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I'm still not behind Ledger...

    by TheSeeker7

    I of course have a galaxy of trust in Nolan, he's certainly earned that from me and then some, but I just have never liked Heath Ledger, he's always rubbed me the wrong way as an actor (not unlike how I generally feel about Josh Hartnett), and I just can't imagine what ever would change that, hell, even if he was in the hands of my favorite director, Fincher. But it's not like I won't see this strictly on that basis. I'll just be going in very cautiously (but am quite happy at the inclusion of Maggie G., and the concentration on just one villain - minus the setting up of Harvey Dent of course, but still).<br> <br> And that's funny about the Crow reference. Yea I suppose pretty much everyone will automatically go there, because as I was scrolling down and had only yet seen just the top half of hte imagine that was what IMMEDIATELY came to mind, then I cracked a smile when I saw Quint make mention himself.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I have put this image into the Computrex 3000...

    by Bronx Cheer

    ...and the verdict is that this is a picture of a man's face. The Computrex 3000 says that the photographer should be fired. Remember: you can't argue with Science.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Crispin Glover

    by wadi77

    Would be recognized as Joker even without any make-up.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Doesn't really look like Ledger to me.

    by thelivingdoll

    Even with makeup taken into consideration, the facial structure just doesn't seem the same.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    It looks good, but it looks


    It looks good, but it looks Photoshopped. I expect Nolan's gonna give us something very far removed from Burton's version of the Clown Prince.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Just like The Psycho remake...

    by Frank Black

    We just keep getting the same origin stories and retreads over and over again. Batman Begins was really pretty average and I am a HUGE Batman fan. (I hated The Prestige and don't think Nolan is as clever as he thinks he is.) I love AICN a lot more than I like this news. John Carter Warlord of Mars would be cool news because they haven't done it A MILLION TIMES!!!!

  • April 22, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Im with pip1345

    by Drworm2002

    This looks so fake. Hairline is all wrong.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    I like it. He seems happy!

  • April 22, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I like to think that The Bat had....

    by Cheif Brody

    something to do with that scar...perhaps in Nolan's story...there's no magical vat of acid he falls into...but rather, his alter ego could be very vain and a bit of a narcissist...always pausing to admire his look in mirrors....and in one of his early scrapes with Batman...The Bat somehow causes these "Black Dahlia" scars (bat-a-rang slices?)....and THAT makes him turn loopy....and finalizes his turn to the Joker. OR....they could just be going after the look Joker had in Batman #663, as drawn by John van Fleet, shown here:

  • April 22, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Look's like Lee Bermejo's

    by Dr. Rockso

    Check this sketch that Lee Barmejo did of Joker

  • April 22, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    "It's not a good day to be a bad guy."

    by Darkman

    Wait, this IS the bad guy? That's messed up.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    It's a fake...

    by frazzle dazzle Too bad, I kind of liked it.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST


    by Dr. Rockso

    Nice job frazzle dazzle....

  • April 22, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Can't take the credit...

    by frazzle dazzle

    Friend of mine caught it. Oh, and what's up with the lips on Optimus?

  • April 22, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    If it is real

    by jamassie

    then I like the way they've slit his face to give him a big smile. It its real.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Looks awesome, though I do suspect fake.

    by ThePorkChopExpress

    Like the direction... he definitely looks crazy, gothy and totally capable of fucking shit up. No offence Chief Brody... i'm glad you didn't write the script.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by The Grey Ghost

    Abort. Retreat.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    An AICN Exclusive Fake!!!!

    by El Scorcho

    Awesome, guys! Thanks for wasting my time!!!!

  • April 22, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Jumped the gun a bit?

    by AICNSFW

    Just looking at this thing I knew I had seen the pic somewhere else. I really can't believe that AICN feels the need to jump the gun on this so badly and start calling to the hills that this is an "exclusive" scoop. I'd rather have slight delays with reliable news than fast "oops, we fell for a fan-manip" crap in the future, thanks guys. I pick sites to visit based on reliability, and I think I'm not alone in that respect.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Ichi the Killer

    by Nerdboy1423

    I think his stitches or scars should open up and go all "Ichi the Killer" personally. Kakahari style.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by jamassie

    When I said It its real I meant If its real.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    AICN punk'd again?

    by vich1


  • April 22, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    obviously fake, too

    by troutpencil


  • April 22, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    I'm glad that source "checked out" for ya.

    by El Scorcho

    LOL. You might wanna rethink that whole checking out process.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    My new goal in life is to fool AICN...

    by El Scorcho

    Shouldn't be that hard, even with my limited photoshopping skills.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I think it's best to wait for an official...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius photo release. Anything else is simply jumping the gun. Ledger is bizarrely inspired casting. If he and Nolan pull off what I think they're shooting for, we'll have a truly frightening and disturbing Joker in store. And it's about time.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    The Computrex 3000 is NEVER wrong.

    by Bronx Cheer

    I think I'll draw a pic of the Joker with Crayolas and send it in, see if they bite.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Wow. Even a blind man can see that's fake.

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Sorry, I got nothing.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    i really hate to rag on this site, but......

    by tibbar

    seriously... come on.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    pip1345 offers a lesson for First posters

    by Bronx Cheer

    pip1345 went right to work and called this what it is, a lousy fake. None of that annoying "first" bullshit. He wrote an actual comment!

  • April 22, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by El Scorcho

    That really made me laugh and I don't know why. This site really should know better that to exercise in such self-fellatio as "AICN EXCLUSIVE!!!" LIKE, OMG!!!!

  • April 22, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Quint, why aren't you taking this down?

    by The Grey Ghost

    The situation is still salvageable at this point!

  • April 22, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Maybe Quint should slow down on the Extra Extra

    by Bronx Cheer

    and finish the freakin' Rocky contest.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    I wonder how long they're gonna keep this up.

    by Dr. Rockso

    It's like pantsing someone and they just leave them down for 2 hours while everyone around goes from laughing to pity.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Please, leave it up! Maybe we can start a contest

    by Bronx Cheer

    to pick the best fan photoshop job? I swear, I am tempted to do it myself--set a deadline, and then within ten days I'll announce the winner.

  • April 22, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Do all super-secret production photos have...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ..."Ain't It Cool News" in blue font embedded in them???

  • April 22, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    HAHA This is too funny

    by enrique_o_k2000

    I'm sorry, I still like the site and all, but HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

  • April 22, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Here's the url to the original picture...

    by Xeniten

    This confirms it, it IS a fake... Apparently it was taken from a film called "Candy".

  • April 22, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    This exact guy just tried to Friend me on Myspace

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    his username was "NJ_ScissorhandsFan1972" and his interests included "Eating Lots of Totinos Pizzas"

  • April 22, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Here's a link to the Google cashe of the same picture..

    by Xeniten

    Just in case the site goes down or something...

  • April 22, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Not saying it's not a fake, but...

    by xavier masterson

    Quint said it is a "Proof of concept" referring to photos manipulated and whipped up by a films art department. Usually stills or candid photos. So, it could feasibly be from the art department of "Dark Knight" as one of many concepts worked up for the Joker's final look in the film. Still, it could just as easily be a fake.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    I hope that is truly a fake

    by Toxic Frog

    Because any facial scarring, permanent smile, etc is stupid. The Joker should look slighy deformed, but nothing too extreme except for his bleached skin, red lips, and green hair. He can have dark circle around his eyes, big teeth, etc, but any makeup that alters his mouth in any inhuman way would suck. Look at the comics - he has a big, creepy smile, but his face is not permanently shaped into a smile. That's what I hated most about Burton's Joker - the permasmile looked idiotic, and a scarred smile will look just as stupid.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by ThePorkChopExpress

    It's amazing how quick you guys are to shit on Quint for this. No kidding it's fake, but damn people... PROOF OF CONCEPT. Read between the lines kiddies.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    i don't know...

    by The Real MiraJeff

    ...if that's real or not and frankly I don't care to speculate, but if it is, that REALLY looks like The Crow. I mean, they might as well stick a black bird on his shoulder. I was in Barnes and Nobles this weekend buying the new Lorenzo Carcaterra and I stumbled upon the original Crow graphic novel, which is significant because The Crow is one of my favorite movies of all-time and yet, I'd never read O'Barr's original work. I read it for about an hour today and was surprised at the structure (Top Dollar dies at the beginning??), but the point is that The Crow is sacred territory. Not the sequels mind you, but the original and the character's look. I love Ledger's casting and it'll be cool to see a 21st century Joker, but I can't give that design a pass. If it ends up looking like the torn mouth in Pan's Labyrinth, then that's fine, but I know they're trying to make the Joker's costume look like he assembled it together from scratch, and if he does steal the face-paint bit from the Crow and even remotely resembles Eric Draven, I will have a heart attack and my hopes for this film will drop like Imus' approval rating at Rutgers. Please Mr. Nolan, steer clear of anything invoking the memory of Brandon Lee. Just don't go there and you and I won't have a problem. The green hair should help, but man does that picture look just like the late great. And I'm telling you right now, if Lee didn't die, he would be getting paid $20 million to BE the new Batman. He was going to be an even bigger star than his father. A true shame we were robbed of a great actor on the cusp of his breakout, and this picture only serves to dredge up those painful memories. If it's fake, I'm sure we'll take it down as soon as we're sure, but guys, don't go getting all pissy. It's hard figuring out what information is real and what's fake when you're working independently of the studios. Frauds are bound to happen in this business of internet journalism. As technology improves and you guys get more familiar with it, it becomes easier to generate stuff like this which makes the editors' jobs that much harder. Give it some time and I'm sure someone will get to the bottom of this.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Wow! This site just lost it's credibility.

    by Mr. Moe

    This picture has been used in Joker manips for a while now. How could you guys at AICN fall for such a lame and horrible looking fan made picture? No wonder people always talk trash about AICN being a bogus movie news site.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    PLEASE get the Joker right this time

    by Toxic Frog

    And that means no perma-smile, scarred or otherwise. The Joker is the coolest character in comics - DON'T FUCK WITH HIM. Just read The Killing Joke and make that guy. Done.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Where's the 3,500 word retraction from Moriarty?

    by The Grey Ghost

    Being spell-checked as we speak.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    This "Exclusive" is still alive?

    by wadi77

  • April 22, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Emo Heath Ledger Joker = nipples on Joel Shumacher

    by Forestal

    This talkback needs enema.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    AICN Exclusive: Brad Bird doing "John Carter of Mars"!!

    by Flim Springfield


  • April 22, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    From AVATAR to JOKER!!

    by wadi77

  • April 22, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Whats wrong with this crappy sight!

    by saints834

    Listen i thought BOF reports nonsense news AICN says that a good reliable source gave them this picture. I got news for you AICN you guys have no right calling yourself a legitimate source of news this picture is a mockup down with a picture from candy here is the link [url][/url] AICN whatever happened to checking out your sources.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    I hope they don't go with him cutting his own face.

    by superninja

    The character doesn't need to go there. He is a nutjob but even the Joker is vain. He is more of a psychopathic dandy.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    It looks like it is done with photoshop.

    by superninja

    Could be real, but I doubt it.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST


    by Forestal

    I seem to remember Harry posting an Indy IV story without any source....

  • April 22, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Moriarty needed Sherlock to spot the fake!

    by BatPsycho

    Too bad guys, but its bound to happen sometime.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST


    by Han Ol' Buddy


  • April 22, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Hey, I found an actual NEW TOP SECRET JOKER PIC

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>I seriously trust this source. He is trustworthy and very well-connected. When you see the picture, you'll realize that this is indeed the real deal.</p> <p></p>

  • April 22, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    As far as fakes go...

    by DildoBaggins

    That photoshopping of Conrad Veidt from "the man who laughs" is teh win for being the most fucked up!

  • April 22, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry

    by Forestal

    Time to call bullshit on that "Indiana Jones and the City of Gods" post you made w/ a source. Are you gonna update us on that??

  • April 22, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    When the cat's away the mice will play...

    by Xeniten

    We salute you Harry for restoring a little law and order around here! :-)

  • April 22, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Bronx, all that needs is some

    by superninja


  • April 22, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Does no one read the posts before they spout off?

    by earl of sandwich

    Why is it that whenever there's an obvious fake photo posted (all too often around here lately), there's still shithats posting that they think it looks cool or commenting on how awesome the offical design is for days. Don't you knobs read the friggin posts? This thing being a fake was called out on the first fucking post, and only 2 out of 3 posts following that repeat that affirmation. People even post links to the source photo! So someone please tell me how 65 post down someone says "I hope it real, cause lawd all mighty, it looks rad!" Tell me please...

  • April 22, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Hey, superninja, COSMPIC POWERS weak...gasp...

    by Bronx Cheer

    can't...urgh...go on...oh wait, yes I can.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    to white

    by juliomario14

    sorry somebody need it to say it i like it but yes he looks like the cro

  • April 22, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    I'll give Quint the "proof of concept" out...

    by Bronx Cheer

    but that was pretty weak of Harry, leaving Quint and Mori twisting in the wind. Way to back them up, skipper. Quint, even if Harry doesn't have your back, I'll happily admit that the mob jumped on you a bit hastily...but it was fun! Now go finish a fucking contest!

  • April 22, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by superninja


  • April 22, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    pan's labyrinth guy had a joker smile

    by Jubba

    when he got sliced open...wicked.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Well said Xiphos!

    by Xeniten

    That's the correct attitude to have. I don't know why people are dumping on Mori and Quint. Chill out people, these things happen. I think some good has come out of this after all, in that I think this is a relatively new picture and we just identified it as a fake. That's good news all around. There's a secondary benefit from this in that we just heard from plenty of talkbackers who thought this was real and they voiced their opinions on the concept of a "Joker with scars" VERY interesting reactions. I don't care for the idea myself, I think Heath has a pretty good smile to pull off the whole joker look naturaly without scarring or added makeup.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    superninja, you had me at "infect"

    by Bronx Cheer

    That was very good! Shades of DHAMAKA2007 indeed. I was supposed to go to bed an hour ago so I could get to the gym before work tomorrow, but here I am goofing around on AICN. But I have no regrets, because if I'd gone to bed, I never would have received the SPIDER_BITE OF GLORY! Konichi wa, superninja.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    hum !!

    by juliomario14

    atleast he is not a cloud or have gay stupid flames !!!

  • April 22, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Hey, well, it was the best I could do on short

    by superninja

    notice! Take care. :)

  • April 22, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Goodnight You Princes of Caspian, You Kings of Queens

    by Bronx Cheer

    Whatever. Nighty nite all, especially supes.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    April has been a tough month for AICN

    by The Grey Ghost

    Between posting reviews of screenings that never actually happened and "disappearing" talkbackers for outscooping them with Joker pictures... <br><br> Do you guys need a hug or what? <br><br> Well, at least you're doing better than the guys over at Latino Review. I think they're STILL reporting that J.J. Abrams is off Star Trek.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST


    by mr.cancerstix

    you guys are confusing me. you won't post a blurry far away set pic, but you'll post this??? once again you're so concerned with getting scooped that you get us excited for nothing. let me know when you get something official. this is something i expect from a newbie movie site. NOT you guys...meh

  • April 22, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Harry is an asshole.

    by pip1345

    How do you say "Too big for his britches"? In this case, literally true. If Harry were some kind of perfect human being, I would have accepted what he wrote up top without question. But Harry, you're worse than both Quint and Moriarty COMBINED in the jumping the gun department. Calm down.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    jfp, I believe that in the comics they recently

    by superninja

    had Joker cut his face.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by Falcon5768

    Aint like its that hard to find the infamous pic

  • April 22, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Ichi the Joker

    by Neosamurai85

    Would kinda be nice if at some point we saw The Joker through Scarecrow vision with teeth like The Mouth from Return of the King. God I love those teeth! Peace.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Here's the real Ledger as Joker pic!!!

    by Mgmax

    Here it is everyone-- 2yb6pv I think the bold choice of 18th century costume totally shows what a genius Nolan is and what a fascinating new direction he's taking the character in. I hear he'll also be wearing cowboy clothing in part of the movie, and at one point be dressed as one of the Brothers Grimm.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    You know

    by Mattyboy122

    I love Nolan's work outside of Batman (well, Insomnia was just okay, but Memento and The Prestige are amazing), but I'm not sure he's the right guy for Batman. The man is too high on his 'everything must be grounded in reality' schtick, and I think that hurts the Batman character a lot. I mean, the character's history is firmly rooted in the noir style (which is captured wonderfully in Mask of the Phantasm). Nolan had himself a pretty awesome cast (Bale may be the best young actor working today), but the film was made dull by the lack of visual imagination and the often terrible writing (thanks David Goyer!). So, to make a long story short (too late), removing the Joker's theatricality removes the essence of the character. He isn't some scarred asshole with raggedy clothes; he's the clown-prince of crime. He's a purple suit wearing, big grin shining, constantly laughing like a crazy sumbitch motherfucker. And giving the Joker a scar for his smile a la the Black Dahlia is one of the most ridiculous attempts at trying to make a character appear like a psycho I've ever heard of. Here's hoping that shit doesn't happen.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Real photo of Ledger as Joker!

    by Mgmax

    Here it is everyone-- I think the bold choice of 18th century costume totally shows what a genius Nolan is and what a fascinating new direction he's taking the character in. I hear he'll also be wearing cowboy clothing in part of the movie, and at one point be dressed as one of the Brothers Grimm.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    AICN Exclusive F' Up: Is this the face of The Joker? Um

    by wadi77

    Nice new title...

  • April 22, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I am with you Mattyboy, I would really

    by superninja

    hate to see Batman movie into true crime territory. Ain't necessary.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Hammil's Joker is the best Joker ever.

    by superninja

    He's vain, funny, has an insane mean streak and is obsessed with one-upping Batman to the point he will not let other criminals off him.

  • April 22, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST


    by Toxic Frog

    No, he doesn't. He just smiles all the time. Numbnuts. He's been shown many times without a smile - in the Killing Joke, for example, at the end he's got a sad, smileless face. You really shouldn't challenge me on Joker trivia - I'll win.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST I was right after all.

    by thelivingdoll

    And I was the first to say that it didn't look like Ledger.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    If this is a F'Up, then what do we consider...

    by PirateEmery

    ... the Indy IV story last week?

  • April 23, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST


    by ThePorkChopExpress

    Would you like 10 beautiful goddesses with their tits out to come and give you blowjobs or will just the medal do?

  • April 23, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Re: Fake Pic.....IN THE WORDS OF THE JOKER.....

    by wackybantha


  • April 23, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    ThePorkChopExpress, who were you talking to?

    by thelivingdoll

    If it was me, I want neither, but if prizes are being handed out I'll gladly take Mori's pink bunny slippers.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Why is it not possible

    by myspoonistoobig

    that in an age where photoshop is easy, that the people working on the film would not take existing images and photoshop a proposed makeup onto an actor's photo just to see what it looks like? Who's to say this is not a "proof of concept" image, just a really quick, cheap one? Maybe I am misunderstanding the term, but it seems that the idea is just to get an idea of what something is gonna look like.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Is it just me...

    by bollhatergc

    Or does he look like Edward Scissorhands?

  • April 23, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    "Lack of visual imagination"? WTF?

    by major_tom_aint_dead

    "Nolan had himself a pretty awesome cast (Bale may be the best young actor working today), but the film was made dull by the lack of visual imagination"Sure, yeah, yur rigth: that jumping Batmovile was so fucking lame...Batman Beggins works because of character development, even if the script has some holes, not for pseudo art deco massive settings, neon ligths or nipples in the suit. In the end Batman is a human being: not Neo, not Superman, not the fucking Human Torch and not Wolverine; you relay on character, not in his "visual" concept. In any case you´ll be happy with "Transformers" for real "visual imagination".

  • April 23, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST


    by wadi77

    I thought Harry's gonna take it down like they did with the Avatar fake poster post.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST


    by Vadakin

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  • April 23, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST


    by Darth Thoth

    Because personally I thought the pic sucked. I was underwhelmed. But still, all this joker talk has gotten me really souped for Batman next summer. Oh boy! And by the way. Shouldn't we be getting souped for Spider Man 3? I'm starting to really worry about this movie. Still, I'll be there opening day to check it out myself. Peace.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    In Other Joker News

    by wadi77

    Crispin Glover will play the lead role of a vengeful ice cream vendor in indie horror pic The I Scream Man, reports Variety. The cast includes Tom Sizemore, Judd Nelson and Haylie Duff. Horror filmmaker George A. Romero will cameo in the movie, which is written and directed by J.T. Mollner. Nicholas Terry produces. Shooting begins June 11 in Eugene, Ore.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Thank fucking god

    by Shabbadoo

    That looks less like the joker and more like some pussy My Chemical Romance fanbitch. And I can't tell if Harry and Quint are just taking friendly potshots at each other, but Harry's really coming off as a dick here. Sounds to me like someone needs to go indulge in some more of their beloved yummy yummies and loosen up a little. Just sayin'.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Whoa Major Tom

    by Mattyboy122

    Michael Bay is a hack. There's no argument there, and Transformers will undoubtedly be a terrible film. However, Batman Begins is still a visually boring film. Sure, you can see some cool stuff happen, but there's no style to it. Batman is rooted in the noir tradition (which is what the animated series got right). Yes, Batman is a real person, but so are the people in noir, they just happen to live in a stylized world. Once you strip Batman down to a real-world aesthetic, he just looks like a goof running around in a clunky suit (like he did in Batman Begins, though scenes in which they didn't show Batman moving too much looked okay). And when I say it has no style, I don't mean I want Michael Bay's MTV movie mash-up 'style,' I mean I want noir.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Who really gives a fuck? This kind of stuff is what

    by GQtaste

    stuff is what it's all about. What do you expect them to be, Nostradomus? It's fun to discuss this type of stuff. And for Harry, that was a punk move on his part for dumping on the boys for doing their jobs.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Even if it is fake, it's clear he doesn't have the face

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    to play the Joker. God fucking dammit. Oh well, hopefully he'll be able to act the part.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    he looks like the crow?

    by Napoleon Park

    Seriously, doesn't anyone who posts here have any sense of history? When you compare a design to "The Crow" what you're saying is "he looks like a character who was designed to resemble a cross between Alice Cooper and David Bowie, circa 1972. Look, I loved O'Barr's comic, but it was basically "What if The Punisher looked like Alice Cooper?" And if any of you little kids here think The Crow was a movie, a TV series or a wrestler, no, first it was a comic book. And anyone who thinks it was a graphic novel, no, it was a comic book. A comic book aboug a junkie rock star who looks like a cross between Alice Cooper (the mouth and eye make-up) and David Bowie (the spiky mullet and the mis-matched eyes.)

  • April 23, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Napoleon Park...

    by The Grey Ghost

    And Alice Cooper was a cross between Mick Jagger and Vincent Price and David Bowie was a mix between Marc Bolan and Iggy Pop. But you know what? For all intents and purposes, that manip STILL looks like the bloody Crow.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Many MANY years ago, I visualized this joker

    by BendersShinyAss

    For a future Batman remake. And here we are. Here we are. Afte rwatching 'the prestige', I now know why Batban begins was such a weak looking film (to me)... it's because Nolan was more into that other film. Here's hoping his full concentration is on the dark knight.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    hugh jackman should play batman

    by BendersShinyAss

    Chis bale is not a hero character

  • April 23, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Alec Baldwin

    by BannedOnTheRun

    And he's getting on a plane to fly over there and straighten your ass out! Shia LeBouf is Joker. And Robin.

  • April 23, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    at least there was some kind of BS identification for this one as opposed to last week's horseshit indyIV story...

  • April 23, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by Dkev00

    This looks like something you would see in a Crow movie. And can you honestly tell me Heath has the intensity to play a darker version of the Joker? I think not.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    A victim of the Carver on Nip/Tuck.

    by riskebiz

    This stupid idea of The Joker ought to pay a visit to Doctor's McNamara and Troy. They'd fix that scarring.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    If Brandon Lee hadn't died ...

    by riskebiz

    What movies would have been earmaked for him. For one, I bet Brandon Lee would have been Neo in the Matrix.

  • April 23, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    WOW, that image is LAME...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    If Ledger looks ANYTHING like that weak-as-lamb-pee image AICN thought was real, The Dark Knight will join the ranks of Elektra and Fantastic Four. Just make the character LOOK LIKE THE JOKER! Sheesh, it's not that hard. Even Cesar Romero could do it...

  • April 23, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    wow the Joker really fucked up that Rubix Cube

    by DrLektor

    the more I look at that pic the more I like it. The only thing that spoils it is the fact he's not really smiling. When he does cut loose (no pun intended) with a grin, you know it's going to be pretty outstanding. Trust in the Nolan.

  • April 23, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Wow, Brandon Lee as Neo just blew my mind. I wish we could have seen it.

  • April 23, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I'm getting very excited

    by trombone

    The Dark Knight is looking to be great. I think Nolan is going to get really nasty on us with this one. Great!

  • April 23, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by kafka07

    This is getting old fast. WB, just give us an official pic now please. They must be laughing at us. I guess you could say the joke's on us. HA HA A HA HA HA AAHH HA