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Moriarty Takes A Stand On X-MEN 3!!

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

Okay... let’s review.

Here’s my review for the first X-MEN movie.

And here’s my review for the second X-MEN movie.

And then last year, I published a review from an anonymous spy about the X-MEN 3 script as it existed at a particular point in time, an article which also addressed some of my ongoing concerns with the way Fox manages its franchises. Here’s that piece in case you missed it.

I like this franchise. I think it has limitless possibility. I think the second movie was a definite improvement on the first film, and I’ve been crossing my fingers now for the past few months because I started to hear some genuinely good buzz on this new sequel, and I was hoping for something better than the rushed half-assery that early reports indicated. This morning, I found myself sitting alone in the Daryl Zanuck theater on the Fox lot, and I had all of about two minutes after I walked into the room before the lights went dark and the Fox logo came up. In those two minutes, I repeated the mantra that Harry had whispered to himself before the first X-MEN film six years ago.

”Please don’t suck. Please don’t suck. Please don’t suck.”

And this morning, in that darkened theater, the movie gods answered my prayers. Because X-MEN: THE LAST STAND (since no 3 appears anywhere in the title on the actual film) is not only a worthy addition to the franchise, it actually feels like it is simply part of one big movie, absolutely on par with the first two films.

Yes, it’s true. Brett Ratner has stuck the landing.

The original X-MEN was, by comparison to its two sequels, a low-budget affair. X2 and X3 look pretty much like they are two halves of one movie, however. Ratner and his crew took their cues from what Bryan Singer had done, due in large part to the same producers being in place and maintaining some sense of continuity between the films, and the result is that this feels pretty cohesive, picking up right on the heels of the second film. I’ve avoided watching all the online clips, since I wanted to see how it played as a whole. Even though I generally knew what was going to happen, I was surprised by a lot of the specifics of it.

For instance, the first scene in the movie shocked me. Set twenty years ago, it’s the moment where Magneto (Ian McKellen) and Charles Xavier (Patrick Stewart) go to meet a young Jean Grey for the first time. Whatever bit of digital trickery they used to de-age both Stewart and McKellen, it’s fascinating. It doesn’t look like an effect at all... they’re just younger, the clock somehow rolled back. After two full films before this, it makes me sad to see Xavier and Erik together, still friends, the two of them still on the good side of the rift that separates them. There’s an optimism to that opening moment that I find really bittersweet, especially considering what else happens in this film. Both Chris Claremont and Stan Lee have cameos in that first scene, and although we’re used to seeing Stan Lee show up in Marvel films, it’s nice to see Claremont in there, considering which story they’re telling in this film. That sort of nod to fandom sets a tone for what you can expect from the rest of X3 as well. This is a movie that was made to finally satisfy fans who were left wanting even after the first two films in the series, a sort of checklist of things to get into the film before the franchise ends or morphs into something so different we don’t recognize it anymore. That’s risky, because it could make the film feel so episodic and disjointed that it no longer works as a movie, but the script by Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg manages to pack in a lot of incident, a ton of characters, and a fair number of nods to specific incidents from the history of the comic, even as they manage to craft a concise, well-told story that works on its own terms. No easy feat, that, but it’s the spine that makes everything else in the film work.

One thing that really helped me in my attitude towards the movie was getting over the fact that I think it’s ri-goddamn-diculous to end this franchise at this point in time. This could be Fox’s license to print money once every couple of years if handled properly. Resigning myself to the fact that the title is literal, I ended up having a damn good time with this. In fact, I think it will be interesting to see what effect this has on mainstream audiences who aren’t already familiar with the history of the X-Men and on young viewers who only know the films and who weren’t around for the Dark Phoenix saga when it was first published. At that point in time, it seemed revolutionary. It changed the rules of what comic books could do in the same way that the original Gwen Stacy comic did. It raised the stakes, it made you question your attachment to characters, and it managed to kick unholy amounts of ass while doing so. We’re at a weird time right now for the superhero movie genre. I think the quickest way to kill these movies dead is to keep barfing up oddly-similar origin stories for second-tier characters while basically ripping off the films that have done it right in the past. Audiences now have seen enough of these movies that they’re ahead of the filmmakers as they watch, and I think it’s up to filmmakers to play off that sense of expectation now. What X3 does really well is it raises the stakes of superhero films again. The cure, the main plot point in this film, opens up some interesting ethical concerns about genetic testing and genetic tampering, but the reason the stakes feel so high in this movie is because of the goodwill we’ve built up towards these characters so far. Wolverine, Rogue, Professor X, Magneto, Mystique, Storm, Iceman, Pyro... we’ve spent time with them now. We’ve gotten to know them, and that history between them pays off in many ways.

In particular, I think the way Jean Grey has been handled in the franchise has worked out. I wasn’t sure at first... her role was fairly underwritten in the first film, but I’ve always enjoyed The Dutch Treat on film, and I thought she managed to give Jean a sense of life beyond what was in the script. In the second film, they realized that they needed to push her to center stage a bit more, and Famke really stepped up. But here, in what is largely a silent role, she manages to create a sense of real malice and danger that has nothing to do with special effects.

Speaking of special effects, though, I found all the Phoenix scenes to be beautiful. Yeah, that’s right. Beautiful. In a Brett Ratner movie. There’s a strong sense of almost AKIRA-like power in those scenes, and the one that takes place at Jean’s childhood home about halfway into the film is a stunner. I wish there had been a Beast CG team assigned to do nothing but give us the bouncing blue furball at his best instead of the wire work the film depends on, but considering the time crunch this film was under, I’m amazed that there’s any consistency to any of the work by any of the many FX houses supervised by John Bruno. There’s a genuine kick to a lot of the big moments, like Magneto’s highway rescue of Mystique or the giant Alcatraz/Golden Gate Bridge sequence, and in scene after scene, there are little touches that really make it work for me. At one point, Magneto is throwing cars at the Army while Pyro lights them on fire, turning them into giant flaming hand grenades. This is the sort of thing I wanted to see in superhero films or TV shows when I was growing up, the sort of thing that I really haven’t seen until now. There’s a lot of bone-crunching superhero-on-supervillain action in the film, another plus. That scene I mentioned in Jean Grey’s house goes seriously haywire, and I love it. I love seeing these superpowered beings open up and fight full-force.

There are some things I didn’t like. I’m not crazy about the way Rogue’s handled in the film. I’m disappointed by who gets the cure first because it removes one of my favorite characters from the film too early. And considering how good James Marsden is in his brief screen time, I would have liked to have seen more from him. Also, John Powell’s score works better in the film than it does in the clips you’ve seen (many of which evidently were using cut-up excerpts from the score in the wrong context), but I still think it’s a bit bombastic. He makes effective use of Jean Grey’s theme, though, and a few other familiar cues. I just wish he’d eased up on the sonic assault a bit. I also think some people are going to complain about lack of screen time for certain characters, especially if they’ve been waiting to see Angel or Beast. You’ve seen about half of Angel’s role if you’ve seen the trailers, and there are several characters who fans will pick out based on a few visual clues who never even get a line of dialogue. It’s a very busy film, which may frustrate some viewers, but I thought it actually made the world of X-MEN feel more epic.

These are minor complaints, no worse than any complaints I have about the first two films. When this one is working, it’s so much fun it’s ridiculous. Mystique, who deserved a spin-off spy movie franchise all her own, has a great Mystique scene that I want to see again immediately. Wolverine gets to use his claws in ways that make me giggle. And Magneto finally goes totally bad, even as he finally finds himself on the exact right side of an argument. I think the deaths that take place in the film pay off, and I was actually a little taken aback by how many people end up taking the cure, and I like that there’s a body count to this war finally. I like things like the first scene with Beast in the situation room at the White House. I just like the reality that establishes, and Kelsey Grammer turns out to be the absolute perfect choice for the character. If nothing else, fans should thank Matthew Vaugnn for fighting that fight before he left the film. It was a great decision, and I think Beast will end up a fan favorite after they see him in the film.

In short, this is a damn fine summer movie just taken as a summer movie. It’s fun, it’s smart, it moves, and you’ll see some stuff you really haven’t seen before, quality eye candy. And as a sequel, it honors the films it follows. If I have one fear from this film, it’s that the studio is going to take the wrong message from it. Instead of saying to themselves, “Oh, thank god our $200 million gamble paid off and we just barely managed to put together a coherent film through the insanely dedicated efforts of our writers and producers who were on through the entire brain damaged pre-production process,” they’re going to say, “Oh, that’s all the time anyone needs for a big film, because if X3 did it, then anyone can do it.” This film is a glorious accident, a movie that should not work based on the troubles it had getting up onscreen. Please don’t start pushing filmmakers to go from no script to final release in fourteen months on these giant FX films just because it worked this one time. This is the exception, not the rule. We got very lucky on this one, and so did Fox. They don’t deserve a movie this good after how they treated it in development, but I’m not going to hold that against the film. It works. I had a blast with it. As I said to the person who showed it to me this morning, “Can I see it again?” I can think of no higher compliment to pay any film after a screening.

I’ll be back with a few other things tomorrow before I hit the road. Until then...

"Moriarty" out.





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  • May 21, 2006, 3:42 a.m. CST

    First!

    by Shermdawg

    First to say, killing Cyclops and Xavier is beyond fucked up!

  • May 21, 2006, 3:44 a.m. CST

    finally

    by atrips

    nice review!!

  • May 21, 2006, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Yay!

    by NeotheLessar

    Yay!

  • May 21, 2006, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Thank You Mori

    by Virtual Satyr

    I just got off from work and work sucked more than usual. This review has just made feel a lot better.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:52 a.m. CST

    by arrangedletters

  • May 21, 2006, 3:52 a.m. CST

    I'm Shocked

    by John-Locke

    So have you cancelled the Hit on Tom Rothman then Drew?

  • May 21, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST

    I'll believe when I see it...

    by arrangedletters

    on DVD. No way I'm giving my money to a film that was shit out. No matter how sweet it smells.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Take that, TB Ratner haters.

    by AtomicHyperbole

    Zzing! Signed, a Zoner.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:54 a.m. CST

    well, cool, i'm looking forward to it now

    by antonphd

    I hoped it wouldn't suck. But it looks like it's on par with the other 2. I liked both of them. Good for us.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:55 a.m. CST

    I have hope now for this film...

    by andrew coleman

    But nothing in the future. I agree studio's will look at this as a success and that you don't need to take time to make comic book films. A part of me kind of hope this bombs(which it won't) just so studio's don't do it this way.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Ebert/Roeper just gave it two thumbs up.

    by Lenny Nero

    It seems like this one's Ebert's favorite. Then again, he didn't really like the first one very much.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:57 a.m. CST

    I hope you're right. GO OILERS!

    by all

    chris pronger is a mutant

  • May 21, 2006, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Yes, nice review, but...

    by Shermdawg

    You know what they say about opinions. I'm wanting to like this film, but I still have my doubts. (Of course I kinda had the same feelings with the last movie and ended up loving it.) I'm just ticked off at the way FOX handled it, and Mori, I doubt I could ever "get over it" as some have said. I just hope, one day we will get a X-men tv show. Hell we should have already got one, and just had Wolverine flicks on the side. *sigh* Oh well. Anyways, five more days, and I can see if its as good as you say. I got my fingers crossed.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:59 a.m. CST

    o man

    by dr.bulber

    i want this to be good real bad.

  • May 21, 2006, 4 a.m. CST

    AICN has a nice garden full of PLANTS!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    Seriously, I think this review has made me anxious to see this film.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Vindication!!

    by Burgundy82

    Finally!! Honest, I had a good feeling about this flick all along... But still, Mori has been slightly more positive about this movie from the outset than others on this site... I wonder what the rabid unadulterated haters will say when they see it. Something makes me think they've all made their minds up and there's no going back. There's a big ass plate of crow on the table guys, grab your forks.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Oh btw, Mori, how about spoiling the...

    by Shermdawg

    ultra secret scene after the credits. Is it Scott waking up in a hospital going crazy? Is it Moira visiting someone who sounds like Patrick Stewart? Or is it the rumored Hujh Jackman song and dance number? Please tell!!!

  • May 21, 2006, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Mori is Now Audrey II

    by TheMovieLover

    Now, can anyone, any of you paranoid whiney geeky fanboys come in a spurt PLANT PLANT PLANT all over this?? NO!!!! And that's what make's me the happiest about this review. It's not that its a positive one, but that its a positive one from a AICN writer himself, so shut up you geeks and enjoy it.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:03 a.m. CST

    the last review I read wasn't so positive...

    by bubcus

    The other review called it X-Men: The Last Bland and the critic tore into the film as I expected would be done. Moriarty's review seems strange to me, like he was in a different Universe watching the film. I won't be going into this film in that same blissful state. BUT I am thankful to the points he does make as to what he likes. I will try to appreciate this film more based on his review and try to understand where he is coming from. I started collecting the X-Men comics when they were dealing with the Siege Perilious and Rogue got pulled through it while trying to save her friends from a super Sentinel. I missed the Dark Phoenix saga but am aware of it. I guess I'll try to have more of an open mind for this film than the dark cloud that currently hangs over my head.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:04 a.m. CST

    thank goodness

    by ClarkK82

    I'm breathing a deep sigh of relief. I'm so glad my optimism seems to have paid off and my childhood heroes haven't been royally screwed over. But Moriarty's right, this could have a terrible aftermath in Hollywood

  • May 21, 2006, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Sherm...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... yes, you should stay until after all the credits. It's one of the three things you mentioned.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Great to hear Mori liked it

    by Rindain

    I guess most of the concerns from the script review were unfounded? Should be fun and filled with eye-candy at any rate...I have a feeling this will open bigger than Da Vinci Code.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... keep your ears peeled for a groovy R. Lee Ermey cameo. Seriously.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Sounds good to me...

    by moviemaniac-7

    Am a big fan of the first two (although the first one seems like a teaser for X2) and I've been worried about this one. But I am full of hope now... BTW, Southland Tales screens today at Cannes. Wonder when the first review for that sucker comes up.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:24 a.m. CST

    EAT IT, RATNER-HATER'S!!!

    by Rant Breath

    You fuckers never gave the man a chance and he ends up getting praise from Ebert, Moriarty and most other reviews. This movie is shapping up to be waaay better than the first movie. How can Brett Ratner make a better X-men movie than Bryan Singer??? Probably with passion and imagination something Singer always lacked. Admit douchebags, Ratner is underrated and Singer is overrated. Good for you Brett Ratner and congrats on a rush-job well done!!!

  • May 21, 2006, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Great review Mori@

    by funkydipshit

  • May 21, 2006, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Brokeback Mutant

    by RichJohnston

    Has everyone seen the RichAndMark take on the corridor scene from X-Men 3? http://www.richandmark.com if you haven't...

  • May 21, 2006, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Let Me Guess...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... they're gay. Boy, I hope that punchline gets old soon. 99% of those re-edited movie trailers play off that single joke. "It's JAWS... but they're all gay! It's BIG... but they're all gay!" Yes. We get it now. It's hilarious that people are gay.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:51 a.m. CST

    what a shocker! and i am a ratner hater

    by walshiereloaded

    i'm still hoping superman will be THE film this year

  • May 21, 2006, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Good job Fox, now make FF2 rock.

    by Rindain

    And also make sure to give James Cameron every penny he wants for Avatar/Battle Angel.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:55 a.m. CST

    One reason why Mori is wrong

    by KCMOSHer

    Drew, me boy, you're off here, and I'll tell you why. The entire review is based off one thing, and you admit it as such: you enjoyed it because you ejected all hope for continuity or the history of the characters as we know them. Sure, they're effectively ending one of the longest running serial stories in history, one that still continues in several formats. Sure, that requires them to completely defecate on all of the long term fans who want to see some of the THOUSANDS of potential film-sized stories from this series pay off, only to be handed one decent movie, one great movie, and one movie that takes some influence from the comic and then just pisses all over the franchise by killing off or 'curing' a large number of the characters we've spent so much time loving. Am I saying you're wrong because you've forgotten the fanboys? Oh yes, yes I am. So is Fox. See, the problem here is, we're fanboys because someone created some characters and a mythos that has kept us in our seats for 40 years. The phrase 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' comes to mind here, even though I fully understand you'll change some things from book to screen. This film's plot points are akin to JJ Jameson, Mary Jane, and the entire Sinister Six being slaughtered in the next Spiderman film, while Peter teams up with the Lizard to find a cure for himself. Akin to Lois and Jimmy being murdered while Supes morphs into a lizard and starts breathing fire on Lex Luthor. Liberties can be taken, but these are not liberties: these are endings. After X-2 showed the comic fans of the world that their heroes could be treated with respect and displayed properly on screen, this movie sends a very clear message: we do not care, fans, we do not care at all, and will do whatever we want with the characters you love, no matter how it clashes with decades of storytelling. You're wrong Mori, they're wrong, and the box office will show that. Now way am I seeing this, ever, actually. I know what I need to know, and I just have no interest at all watching characters I'm invested in reaching endings that have no bearing in canon. If you told me they remade Return of the Jedi where Han, Leia, Chewie, and the droids all die during the battle with the final death star, I wouldn't see it either. Why would I? Those characters found their own endings, or didn't, in a story I love with all my heart. Why would I, or any fan of that film, want to see a revised version like that? That's what this film is, and I'm steering very, very clear. It just sounds like you're -terribly- eager to say something positive here, considering you echoed almost every single thing I'm saying here in your piece last year. I'm surprised you even linked to it, as it appears to be absolutely contradictory. Back then, the deaths and ends were at the core of your outrage at the film...now, you're A-OK with the lot of them because you've 'gotten over it'. We haven't, and won't. Be prepared for a flop of epic proportions.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:10 a.m. CST

    About Continuity...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... these films have never run concurrent to established comic canon. Ever. Getting mad about it for just this one film seems silly to me. If you hate all the X-MEN movies so far, you'll probably hate this one. If you've enjoyed the films so far and you'd like to see the end of this series, then you'll enjoy this film. But dude... seriously... relax. No one's gonna take your funny books away from you.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:11 a.m. CST

    KCMosher, what you need to understand is...

    by AtomicHyperbole

    ... is that the film series never followed the comics from the start and don't assume that everyone out there in movie-seat world is a comic reader and fan. All the movie has to do is follow up the rest of the films and nod to the comics, that's all. The movie-going public who're going to see it on the basis of the prior films aren't going to care... because it follows on from the other movies. It lifts off the comics, not respects them. But the others were the same.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:22 a.m. CST

    KCMOSHer - This film was never going to flop

    by John-Locke

    Thats why Rothman could treat the franchise the way he did, he knew that the X title alone would get people in theatres even if the film sucked.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:26 a.m. CST

    And I'll Go You One Further...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I think one of the interesting things you can do with these films is fuck with fanboy expectations while also making a mainstream series that exists in its own particular continuity. In SPIDER-MAN, for example, it's fucking bizarre that Raimi started with Mary Jane. But what if he's been setting us up? What if bringing in Gwen in part three was always the plan? What if Mary Jane is Gwen and Gwen is Mary Jane? It's absolutely contrary to canon... but it'd be cool. It'd be fun to see it play out that way, with Kirsten hanging there, neck broken, both mainstream AND fanboy audiences freaking out for different reasons.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Great to finally see some pro X3 material here

    by Lone Fox

    I've been a fan of the X books for a mazoolian years, enjoyed the first 2 movies (wah they're not following the comics 100%... please, they're still a fine supplement to the comicbooks) and have been looking forward to number 3 despite the constant barrage of criticism aimed at Ratner and the production in general. Great review Mori. Actually the second review I've read on the film, both positive.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Indeed

    by Ridge

    Comicbook continuiity on screen is rarely followed exactly to the tee. After all, they didnt make Sabertooth part of Wolverines background, they made Lady Deathstrike part of it tho strangely... they didnt make Rogue, Nightcrawler and Mystique all one happy family like in the comics but kept them unrelated in the movies... it's all good. The best thing is, when they change the continuiity and it works, its great because its something slightly different that might work better. Take BLADE for instance, he was originally just a pissed off black guy with a wooden sword and stakes, Hannibal King was the half vamp who took serum, however, they redesigned him and changed it all to how we have it now. So its all good guys. Remember, you'll always have your comic books, but who wants to see an exact word for word translation on screen when you can have something so much better?

  • May 21, 2006, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Cause and effect

    by KCMOSHer

    You guys are still missing it. This is not altering canon. It's destroying it absolutely. The reaction of a LOT of fans (of both the movies and the books) will be 'oh, they kill off or de-mutant most of the characters? Screw that, let's go see Superman.' You can trace the success of the films with how closely they please the fans: X-1 did a so/so job, and was so/so successful. X-2 did an amazing job, and was uber successful. X-3 does no job...you think it's going to have legs past the first critic-proof/fan-proof weekend? If we were talking about changes, even as dramatic as the Gwen/MJ suggestion Mori makes, we'd be fine. We're talking about destruction. Absolute destruction. Not destruction because it's good for the story, not because it's good for the franchise, not because it make any sense on any level with any fans of either the series or the movies...but primarily, and let's be honest here, because Fox can't get back most of the major talent and doesn't want to risk a re-cast or leaning on newly-introduced characters. This is a jaded, cynical Hollywood move, and NOT a move backed by creativity or a respect for the characters/story. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is going to want to swallow this pill, for this very reason. Once it's clear this is it, you're going to have confusion and anger, and NOT the kind of buzz that makes people go back and give the big bucks to Fox. I think the only reason this has any buzz at all is that Fox has (intentionally, maybe?) dramatically understated that this is the end of the series as far as they're concerned, and there's no going back once this is over unless they completely restart, Ultimates-style. If that was made clear, I think you'd see a major upswell of both comic -and- film fans.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Oh, and P.S. for Mori

    by KCMOSHer

    I'd still love to hear how you can explain the total change in tone and direction between the piece last year, where these deaths/changes were your core gripe, and today, when these deaths/changes are somehow 'one of the interesting things' about the movie. Right now, there is no way to reconcile these two pieces, and while I doubt this is true, it makes you look like you're sucking up to Fox. Last year: 'ROTHMAN IS THE VILLAIN OF THE PIECE! FOX HAS NO IDEA HOW TO HANDLE THIS FRANCHISE!' This year: 'I GOT OVER THE FACT THAT IT ISN'T THE COMICS AND THINK IT'S A KILLER SUMMER BLOCKBUSTER!' I know this isn't true, or I hope I do, but damn if you don't sound like Earl Dittman.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Nice review...

    by LeiaDown&FuckHer

    Hopefully when I check it out on Thursday I'll feel the same way. Not that I was ever one of the folks expecting an absolute train wreck out of Ratner's X3, I was more worried that it'd simply turn out to be nothing but sheer mediocrity. Not horrible, just not particularly good either. We'll see soon enough I guess.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:59 a.m. CST

    This will be # 2 or 3 in Summer Boxoffice...

    by Negative Man

    Figuring PotC:DMC to be the most likely #1... But, I will not be suprised to see X3 as #1. 100% of the people I know intend to be there opening/second day and are mixed on the previews of Supes and PotC:DMC. These X-movies are perfectly designed for non-comic readers. I never had faith in Rattner, yet never did not. This was a plug and play movie because the actors knew their roles. And these actors are the types to stand their ground if they didn't like like what their characters were doing in the script. I've scene all there is to see as far as early footage and it looked spot on for me. I only read the first few paragraphs of Mori's review because I didn't want any spoilers. I've become excited for this movie. But, there is only ONE thing I don't want to see. Colossus being gay. Sorry, he's just not. ULTIMATE X-MEN be damned (and really, it's just not a well written book), but it just doesn't work. It would feel pushed to be PC. Gambit, Wolvie, Beast, Toad, Mystique (which would be such a huge plus...lol) could be. But not the Russkie. Him, Kitty Pryde...not to be messed with. Next week can not get here fast enough.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Who cares if half the characters die?

    by Rant Breath

    This is the end of Fox's X-men movies.They could end the movie with the Dark Pheonix blowing up the Earth for all I care. The franchise will be restarted by Marvel studios. New actors, new atmosphere, new everthing. Personally I can't wait for Marvel to start all over fresh.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST

    I really have to disagree, KCMOSHer

    by Lone Fox

    Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that the cost (or likelihood, artistically) of getting all the A-lister's back for numerous sequels would be a task in itself (and one Fox would prefer not to undertake), but creatively the driving force behind the seperation of film and comic canon is the very fact that the comics are an ongoing monthly series with over 40 years of history and counting. Film franchises just don't run like that. So naturally changes are made. You may get exceptions such as Sin City, but then that is essentially only a handful of stories set within the same time frame. Comicbook films are usually the equivalent of a movie with the preface 'based on true events'. Heavily inspired by, perhaps, but with a lot of leeway. I really don't see this as a problem.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST

    It was only a matter of time...

    by AtomicHyperbole

    ... before someone hinted that Mori was taking some kind of reward for a good review. I sometimes wonder why some people come here at all.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:16 a.m. CST

    KCMOSHer...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I don't see what there is to explain. Go read the script review piece again. The whole thing. I stand by what I wrote then and I can also reconcile it with what I wrote here. The film works as a film. Do I think it is an act of corporate malfeasance to end this franchise prematurely? Yes. Yes, I do. Did I enjoy this film anyway? Yes. Yes, I did. It's about reviewing the film that is instead of the film that might have been. I can still think Tom Rothman is the single worst studio boss in the business. I think he dodged a bullet here, and he's got a lot of people he should be thanking on hands and knees right now. But if you can't see past the infuriating choice -- which I can understand -- then you really won't like this movie at all.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:19 a.m. CST

    And KCMOSHer...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... if I was kissing up to Rothman, would I have published that recent AVP2 script review? Trust me... that bridge is fucking burnt, and I have nothing to gain by enjoying this film. Hell, if I was worried about my "cred," I would have hated this film on principle even before watching it. But despite what some people insist on thinking, I don't watch movies with an agenda. I never want to hate any movie I watch. If that's how you're walking into any film, then don't walk into it. Why bother?

  • May 21, 2006, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by Rant Breath

    Do you think the reason you enjoyed the movie was due to LOW expectations?

  • May 21, 2006, 6:26 a.m. CST

    RantBreath...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... that's possible. I had no idea what I was going to see when I sat down.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Wow, Batstud...

    by AtomicHyperbole

    ... how completely redundant after what Mori just posted. Retard, much?

  • May 21, 2006, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Superman Vs X-Men

    by LucienPierce

    From the beginning I've been more excited to see X3 than Superman. I'm not going to rehash my sentiments on the Superman Remake but suffice it to say that while I loved the original films it was more from a nostalgic point of view. They weren't great films, just very good ones considering the era they came from as well. From what I've seen Singer and his crew haven't taken the opportunity to really knock Superman out the park. Not enough amibtion. It all looks good and I'm sure it'll be enjoyable but I can't imagine it to be much better than the original (minus the nostalgia) since it's effectively the same thing. Which for some will be enough but a Superman story just represents so much more potential. At least with X3 (whether it succeeds or not) the filmmakers tried to take what came before and add to that, not to mention actually adapting narratives from the comic book. Fortunately they're working from a base that correctly portrayed the major players in the first place...Wolverine, Magneto and Professor X were all handled well (Singer butchered Storm, Cyclops and almost Jean Grey). So far Beast looks spot on...SR is working from a basis where they got...er...well I suppose they almost got Superman right originally...if you take away Superman 2 completely...So essentially I've been looking forward to X3 more because I feel it's truer to the comic book source than the Superman Rehash...but I guess it's better to get a good but not great Superman than no Superman at all...

  • May 21, 2006, 7:04 a.m. CST

    oh no! moriarty dont say that!!!

    by misnomer

    I'm gonna be really disappointed if mary jane doesnt die now! But man, youre right-that would be THE ultimate cinematic death! two movies just to take her out- SM3 could really plunge those dark depths....

  • May 21, 2006, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Good point Moriarity

    by LLcruize2

    Holy frito chili pie! An objective view on X3 at AICN! There is still hope yet! All seriousness, was getting a bit tired of all the one-sided hate going on here for the film. I totally agree with your point Moriarity that you must see the film as it is, not what it isn't. But then again, this is the net and it is a haven for such tunnel thinking unfortuntately. A million "I can do better" opinions.

  • May 21, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but...

    by droog

    I can't help but recall Drew's positive reviews of DAREDEVIL and PUNISHER, movies that were nearly excruciating experience to actually sit through. And giving any credit to Ratner seems suspect, since everyone in town knows that movies get made in spite of him, not because of him. If anything, you should thank his 2nd unit guy and DP and 1st AD and FX supe (which you did), since they likely handled 80% of the work. Not that it matters, since the movie is rubbish.

  • May 21, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST

    THANK GOD!

    by Atomik Steve

    I want this movie to rock so bad. I usually agree with Moriarty's reviews, so reading this comes as a huge relief. Thanks Mori!

  • May 21, 2006, 8:26 a.m. CST

    To Rant Man

    by Tripman5000

    You took the wors right out of my mouth!Cheers!Exactly what I've been trying to say! ALSO why the tiny headline?If the review was negative,it'd be in GIANT TEXT RIGHT ACROSS THE PAGE WITH HUNDREDS OF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 21, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST

    X-Men 4

    by kevinwillis.net

    I don't read comic books any more, but when I did (in the 80s), X-Men was my favorite (right after Cerebus, and I wish there would be a movie of that but Dave Sim is "an artist" and not interested in doing a movie--bah!) . . . During that time, there were some interesting story-arcs, and for a while you would have thought The X-Men consisted of Kitty Pryde and sometimes Storm. Additionally, there were several arcs where Angel and Beast figured heavily (and, though Alan Cumming probably won't do it, bringing Nightcrawler back--I'd watch a Nightcrawler movie, that character rocks so hard). But I'd be pleased as punch to see a rockin' story line with Colossus, Kitty Pryde, Beast, and Angel. Also, the anemic "New Mutants" kicked off in the mid/late 80s and a more mature, cinematic take on the characters as just another part of Xavier's School for Gifted Children could rock.

  • May 21, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Or an X-Men Prequel

    by kevinwillis.net

    Given the cool powers of youthen-ing technologies in film these days, what about a prequel featuring a younger beast, Jean Grey, tracing the history of the establishment and construction of Xavier's School for Gifted Children? The development of X-jet? The beginings of Magneto's brotherhood . . . it could cover a wide swath of time through, like, the 60s or 70s to the 90s, depending on how they wanted to shape the movie timeline. I'd pay 10 bucks to see that. Oh, they could also do a spin-off Wolverine movie. That would be cool, as long as the stories were better than the spin-off Wolverine mini-series from the 80s.

  • "I think the quickest way to kill these movies dead is to keep barfing up oddly-similar origin stories for second-tier characters while basically ripping off the films that have done it right in the past. Audiences now have seen enough of these movies that they

  • May 21, 2006, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Also, A new Superman Movie . . .

    by kevinwillis.net

    Would be cool. I'm thinking Nicholas Cage, with Tim Burton directing. What do you guys think?

  • May 21, 2006, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Moriarty . . .

    by kevinwillis.net

    I've heard rumors (or I made them up, I can't remember now) that Kitty Pryde gave you a lapdance before the movie started. Do you think maybe that affected your review?

  • May 21, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Ratner

    by Babyshamble

    was probably a safe choice as it appears he hasn't brought an ego to the film. He seems happy to follow what Bryan Singer did. I've been looking forward to this since I saw the trailers and the seven minute clips because it still feels like X men. I hope there's a number four, either with a brand new director or Ratner again. I doubt Singer would go back. I think following the good response to Joss Whedon's x men comics he could be a good choice.

  • May 21, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST

    wait a sec

    by haywire666

    first aicn tells me to hate xmen 3, now it tell me the movie is actually quite good? what do i do? whom should i listen to? why cant you all tell me what to do?

  • May 21, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST

    One Note, Mori...

    by genro

    Raimi wanted Gwen for the first Spidey - everyone else shot it down. Gwen for Spidey3 was a trade for Venom. Raimi will say it was "organic" and from the story, but it was a trade-off.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Review up on Empire Online.

    by AmirReza

    Been up for at least a couple of days, though funnily enough hasn't been advertised on front page apart from the tiny writing in the "Also Reviewed" section. http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=9798

  • May 21, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Moriarty's "MJ is Gwen, and Gwen is MJ" suggestion

    by Ktak

    is fascinating because of the possibilies it creates. As much as fanboys may be horrified by such a change in canon, it would provide the Raimi with the opportunity to create a "happy ending" for Peter and Gwen that Spider-man fans always wanted, but never got to see.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Nice review, Mori

    by DocPazuzu

    I trust your take on things more often than not, and given the vitriol leveled at the project beforehand, I'm even more convinced that this is going to be a load of fun. I was wondering what kind of outrageous spin the haters would put on your review and, as usual, they didn't disappoint.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Brokeback Mutant

    by RichJohnston

    http://www.richandmark.com

  • May 21, 2006, 9:29 a.m. CST

    positive cannes buzz

    by u.k. star

    i was wondering when all the good buzz that's been coing out of Cannes would find it's way here? not as good as x2 but good. that'll do for me :)high high hopes for the wolverine/weapon x and inevitable x4-6 now!

  • May 21, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Multiple character films are now too expensive to make

    by TJ50

    I'd be grateful if Harry can also offer his analysis of X-Men 3 when he sees it. The reason Fox understandably don't want to do more multiple character X-Men collective films is because they're becoming too expensive and financially unviable to make from an actor salary point of view (now that many of the actors have become A list). Since Fox were convinced the first film would bomb, they very foolishly only had the first film's actors sign on for 2 films at the same price. They all understandably wanted much more for X-Men 3. Had they signed the casts of the first X-Men film (and any new X-Men characters who appeared in X2 and X3 to a 10 multi-picture deal legally obligating the actors to appear at the same price for each film, they'd be ok. The disadvantage with such films is that admired X-Men characters always get short shrift. Starting with the Wolverine spin off film that Hugh Jackman is already signed on for, it's cheaper to make films featuring no more than 1

  • May 21, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST

    I trust Mori too

    by DigitalDong

    If I remeber correctly, X2 was hammered by critics, but its the favorite of most fans. I perfer them both back to back. It sounds like X3 will extend them. Can't wait to see it. And Magneto rocks.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    WoW

    by Russman

    I'm shocked too.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Marvel will Start X-flicks over at Paramount

    by JUSTICE41

    Marvel taking The X-films back home is a good move. This way they can do the storylines the way they want to. Look at the big thing at Marvel now, Civil War. This comics series fits perfectly with X3. Imagine a movie and comic storyline coming at the same time? I can see it and I'm sure Marvel is planning to do just that. Look for changing storylines to match every movie made from Marvels deal with Paramount.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Mori---it's already happening...it's sad and scary....

    by masheen81

    You said that Fox will say

  • May 21, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    God, Dunst fucked up those flicks...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Kill her, NOW. Bring on Gwen. I still liked X1 over X2. I know I'm in the minority, but the second one felt more empty. "Do they hurt when they come out?"/"Everytime..." is way better than "..uh, duh, I checked out Akili lake, and couldn't find 'nuttin"

  • May 21, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Moriarty...

    by mrfan

    thanks for the review. Appreciate it. Also, thanks for the confirmation about the scene after the credits. Would hate to have to sit and get nothing. I am looking forward to this movie. Cannot wait till Friday.

  • May 21, 2006, 10:10 a.m. CST

    PHEW!!!

    by Killah_Mate

    So it's at least better than mediocre? Fuck, that's awesome. I always kinda liked this franchise, good to know they didn't completely fuck it up. And to all you guys complaining about continuity, after reading Whedon's destruction of the beautiful Morrisson's New X-Men storyline, I simply gave up. I am now officialy too jaded to care about character/continuity flaws in the movie. (Side note: if they were to make a movie trilogy of the New X-Men, they would likely be the best superhero movies ever made, but no studio exec has the BALLS to do it. In case you were wondering, yes, this is a CHALLENGE.)

  • May 21, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Good news and about Marvel starting X-Men over...

    by Logo Lou

    If Marvel does take the X-Franchise back, I hope they DON'T re-start everything. Still plenty of stories and characters that they can do and stay in continuity with the first 3 films (and the Wolverine solo flick). And, sadly, masheen81 is EXACTLY right. FF2 is being pushed out the door as well. Yes, the studio lucked out and got a decent film. No, they will not learn anything from it. The question you have to ask yourself now is: What Marvel film will Brett Ratner do next? He WILL get another MARVEL job, no doubt in my mind. Will it be a sequel? or something new? Hulk 2, anyone?

  • May 21, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I thought I read Ang Lee was interested in the sequel?

    by Killah_Mate

  • May 21, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST

    In Moriarity We Trust

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Yeah baby yeah! Unlike others who may write for AICN, I actually trust Moriarity

  • May 21, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    If Cyclops and Prof X die, then it sucks by definition

    by Rupee88

    Killing two major X-Men characters for shock value and killing the franchise does not a good movie make.

  • May 21, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Spoilers, fuckwits.

    by AtomicHyperbole

    Some of you guys are the very definition of idiot.

  • May 21, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Mori's approval was all I wanted after that script rev

    by George Newman

    Thank God. I can sleep easy.

  • May 21, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Why do I hate X2 so much?

    by BendersShinyAss

    I say this because to hear that X3 is on par with X2 does not reward me confidence.

  • May 21, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Why do I hate X1 so much?

    by Shermdawg

    Oh yeah, it's because they neutered Sabretooth.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Harry Review?

    by Burgundy82

    Mori, please tell us one's coming from the big guy soon... Whether he sticks his foot in his mouth and admits to loving it, or he still tries to hate it, it's going to be pretty friggin' hilarious.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST

    AICN production of BatSTUD vs. AtomicHyperbole

    by mrtorrance

    Couldn't help but let my mind wander when reading through this talkback... I got to thinking of how a big budget production of a full-on super-powered BatSTUD vs. full-on super-powered AtomicHyperbole. What super powers would they have? What epic backstories would they have, and how would the audience relate? What other AICN characters would be involved and what powers would they have... just a fleeting thought. :)

  • May 21, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    wow.

    by JacksonsPole

    well, after all that bitching and moaning, you finally decide to like the film. hope that's a lesson to everyone on here to not judge a movie before it's time.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST

    A license to print money?

    by Batutta

    The last time Mori said that about a movie we got The DaVinci Choad. I'm still skeptical. For one, I actually wasn't a fan of X2. I thought it was lazily directed and lacked narrative drive.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    So is there something after the credits?

    by Johnno

    Thats all I want to know so I can sit through 'em...

  • May 21, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    What about that really awful "Fastball" clip?

    by veritasses

    If that was an embarrassing low point of the movie, then maybe I'll give the film a chance. But if that scene's on par or better then the other scenes I may not even pick it up on DVD. I had some early hopes for X3 and it's big mutant vs mutant battles but when I stopped to consider that they were sending "Fastball" out to promote and build hype, I became discouraged. And what's with all the praise from all the new TB posters? A new studio Plant Tactic? Instead of sending painfully obvious Plant reviews, bombard the TBs with unnatural amounts of support?

  • May 21, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST

    brokeback mutant? oooold

    by Holodigm

    brokeback to the future was the only funny one. the rest are just lame.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    MrTorrance, sign me up!

    by AtomicHyperbole

    Where's Fox when you need them? It could be a trilogy!

  • May 21, 2006, 11:30 a.m. CST

    I don't think "continuity" is the real issue...

    by Prof.Ikamono

    Many people who had no problem with Wolverine being over six feet tall are upset by what they hear about this film. Continuity would mean yellow spandex, it would mean Bobby as a member of the original older team along with Scott, Jean, Hank and Warren. Rogue would have been taken in by the Brotherhood and mentored by Mystique before she crossed over to the X-Men, whereas Pyro would never have been at Xavier's school (he also would have been Australian). And on and on and on. These alterations in the comics continuity seen in the first two films are largely ignored by fans. This is because Singer's films stayed true to the X-Men's character and to the spirit of the comic series as a whole. It would have been wrong for example if Nightcrawler had been presented as an athiest, Scott as a boisterous party-animal or Wolverine as urbane erudite dandy. That is not who these people are. In the comics Jean killed herself to save Scott's life. That is who she is. If what we have heard about X3 is true, then they have completely violated this ascpect of Jean's character. Also why destroy good characters that so much more could have been done with? The richness of the potential film X3 could have been (and X4, X5, etc.)squandered so uselessly, so meaninglessly, is just so damn depressing. Of course the death and resurrection of comic book characters became a cliche long before Superman himself spent a year in the grave so it would not surprise me should anybody killed off in X3 mysteriously return in another film, and remember when Storm wore a mohawk and had no powers? So I guess any damage done can be corrected, although it may have to be through a reboot ala Batman Begins.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Let's just be happy...

    by Lost Skeleton

    we appear to be getting a fun X3 movie and possibly a good Supes flick in the same season. Great news! Oh, Da Vinci Code wasn't as bad as critics said.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Killing Cyclops...

    by CatVutt

    ...is actually the one thing I DON'T take issue with. There was absolutely ZERO chemistry between Jean and Scott in the first two films, and the decision to knock him out of the Dark Phoenix storyline part of it early on is probably the best decision they made. Anyway, Mori, thanks for the review. Glad to hear there's hope for this.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST

    X3 vs. Superman Returns

    by ninpobugei

    I was very, VERY pleased to read Mori's review. I always look for them because he doesn't offer an opinion so much as a reason for an opinion. I don't go (or not go) see a movie based on someone saying a movie was "good" or "bad", but rather on how they say they arrived at that opinion. I agree with Mori far more often than not and his reasoning lets me know if I'd agree with his version of "good" or "bad". I personally felt that X3 was going to be good. Maybe not very, VERY good, but "good" nonetheless. How could it not at least be fairly decent if they simply continued what came before? Instead, they had the guts to go balls-out and throw everything but the kitchen sink into the mix. Sure, there's an effort to try to please everyone (and this will inevitably fail to some degree), but they gave it a shot and it seems to have paid off. On the flip side of this, Singer has gone in and reinvented the wheel with Superman Returns despite saying he was going to stick to the previous movies (at least I and II). Instead, he has created a cheese fest of undreampt of proportions with his WB take on Superman. I have not seen one single solitary image or scene that interests me in this film. Routh and Bosworth look like little kids playing dress-up, the Superman costume is just a horror, and the advertising is obviously directed to the teenager crowd. I can't imagine that anyone over the age of 25 will in any way identify with THE head honcho superhero - Superman himself - as looking like a whiny frat boy with top reporter Lois Lane having all the believability of Elisabeth Shue as a nuclear physicist. I can hear Bosworth now, "I, like, totally gotta get this story in to Perry before he, like, kills me or something!" Basically, no matter the level of CGI or rendering of interesting Superman effects, the story and characters are so lacking in this film and the MARKETING...my God, but you talk about a slap in the face to the fans that grew up with Christopher Reeve's Superman!! X3 may have been a rush job, but pleasing the fans with a story that continues the movie canon (if not the comics canon) was first and foremost in the writing and "look" of the film. Further, the storyline of a cure is certainly in keeping with the build-up that came before. I won't be seeing Superman, but I will be seeing X3 opening night!

  • May 21, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST

    DVD vs Movie Theater...

    by Datascream

    Why do people consist of saying "I won't watch this in the movie...I'll just wait until the DVD comes out. That'll show'em". What makes you people SO god damn ignorant? A ticket to a movie theater can cost about $6.50 for a matinee, or $8 for a late showing. A DVD can cost up to $20. So if you wait until the DVD, you'll be BUYING the movie, instead of just getting a one time viewing of the movie. So you'de rather spend MORE money on a movie that you already hate, to spend the cash to own it and bitch about it later? Even a movie rental will cost about the same as watching it in the theater. dear god people...

  • May 21, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Character deaths

    by blackwood

    "Wah. But they was my favowit." <----> Good review, Mori. Glad it didn&#39;t uber-suck. It always had my $10... but now it might just have my heart. Sniff. Glue.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST

    RENT the DVD, not BUY it!

    by ninpobugei

    Datascream raises a good point, however I think most people mean they will watch the movie on a DVD rental. If they like it afterward, they can always purchase a used Blockbuster version. This supports a film to a much smaller degree than paying to see a full-price night showing.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I love...

    by Ribbons

    ...how Moriarty gives this film a positive review and says he liked it, and people have the cajones to say "Take THAT, X-Men hater!" to him. I guess it&#39;s technically as correct as most people who are labled "haters" and "naysayers," but something about shoving a positive review in said reviewer&#39;s face just seems hilariously absurd to me.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST

    captboulder

    by blackwood

    Re: Wah. Have a cookie and a lie down.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Guess I&#39;ll go see it after all

    by CrispyOne

    Really didn&#39;t expect ANY good reviews from genre fans on this, most especially Moriarty (or Harry.) Weird. I really want this to be a good flick.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    DOWNLOAD the DVD, not BUY or RENT it!

    by Rupee88

    That is the only thing that sends any kind of message to greedy filmmakers who shovel shit in the fan&#39;s mouths. Of course I wouldn&#39;t endorse "piracy", but I have heard the download recommendation from others.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I think I hate Ratner more now

    by andrew coleman

    First I rad an Entertainment weekly interview with him, he&#39;s an asshole. Also I believe all these TB who for some reason are gloating because the movie doesn&#39;t suck are actually Bret Ratner, so please man for the sake of man stop making movies. Also X3 won&#39;t even be in the top three money makers this summer: Pirates, Code and Cars or Snakes on a Plane.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Stakes in movies

    by Thunderballs

    I can&#39;t believe people actually talk about the "stakes" in a movie. Entertain me fuck! That&#39;s all I care about. Stakes....give me a fucking break with that industry script speak for people who have no idea what they&#39;re talking about.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Reiterated: I&#39;ll believe it when I see it

    by zikade zarathos

    EVERY SINGLE clip I&#39;ve seen has looked like absolute garbage whenever they open their mouths. I just can&#39;t believe that this thing ties together and doesn&#39;t make you want to jam power drills into your eyes and ears.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Who the FUCK is this "Erik" guy? His name is MAGNUS

    by Razorback

    I hate that they had no balls to call him by his name. Magneto is Magnus. Simple.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:56 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s good to hear that X3 may be good.

    by Orbots Commander

    Also on Ratner: it&#39;s obvious the guy is not a storytelling visionary. He&#39;s simply a capable journeyman director who can bring in a finished film on time and usually on budget. It&#39;s obvious he&#39;s only as good as the screenply that he&#39;s working with. Pair him with a great writer on any movie and Ratner could churn out an entertaining studio picture.

  • May 21, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Thanks Mori

    by Atomica

    I was going into this movie more for respect for the characters and some closure for the story. Now i feel like i may actually enjoy myself, lol. Thanks.

  • May 21, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the positive review, Mori

    by chrth

    Now, has Harry fully vetted you to make sure you&#39;re who you say you are?

  • May 21, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I didn&#39;t like X2 as much as the first one

    by chrth

    X2 was less fun (you know you&#39;re in trouble in the humor department when the funniest part is a cat licking Wolverine&#39;s claws), and I don&#39;t believe for a second that Magneto would order the complete genocide of every non-mutant. Also, the interactions between Xavier and Magneto in the first movie were so enjoyable. But I&#39;m hoping for good things in X3

  • May 21, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m quite surprised...

    by CurryIce

    of this positive review. I hope i&#39;ll enjoy it as much as Moriarty did but i&#39;m still not really convinced. Anyway thx for this one Mori.

  • May 21, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    yes! i hoped it would be good.

    by El Borak

    honorary stereoscopic x3 biatches!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/thejeditraitor/x3.jpg

  • May 21, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST

    color me pink

    by stvnhthr

    Wow, I would not believe it if it was anyone else but Moriarty reporting it.

  • May 21, 2006, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Has this ever been done?

    by Burgundy82

    I just recently got back into the X-Books, (Whedon&#39;s run on &#39;Astonishing&#39; pulled me in), so I have no idea if this has been done... but I think it would be interesting if Magneto fell in love with a non-mutant woman, and then had to deal with feelings of shame and secrecy, racism, self-loathing... fun stuff like that. Anyone know if this is old-hat? I know there&#39;s been plenty of interspecial relationships between mutants and non-mutants, but has it ever been treated as a source of drama? An allegory for interracial relationships? I dont even know if Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch&#39;s mama was a mutant or not, come to think of it. Anyway, somebody tell me.

  • May 21, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Burgundy82

    by The_Comedian

    Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch&#39;s mother is humna, not a mutant, so tehy have dealt with this before in teh comics. In the Ultimate X--men comic Magneto holds a resentment towards them because he views them as proof of his one moment of weakness with a non-mutant.

  • May 21, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST

    X-TREME SPOILERS!! HUMOR!!

    by Be like water

    Wrote this baby up the other night... X-Factor: A Humorous Look at the Readable Gay-ness in the X-Men films, or What

  • May 21, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Hate The Script...Liked The Movie???

    by utz_world

    I know Payola when I see it...

  • May 21, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    As a fan of the comics I know...

    by DOGSOUP

    ...no one EVER EVER EVER stays dead. As a fan of Moriarty&#39;s reviews I&#39;m a little shocked. This is the first time I have a ray of hope for this movie. I&#39;m with you Mori, "Please don&#39;t suck, please don&#39;t suck, please don&#39;t suck...."

  • May 21, 2006, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Razorback

    by paddington

    His full name is Eric Magnus Lehnsherr.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:27 p.m. CST

    so does gambit have a cameo?

    by McLuvin

    if he does, that will make it the best movie of the summer

  • May 21, 2006, 3:37 p.m. CST

    gambit

    by Freakemovie

    I heard that they weren&#39;t putting him in because if they want to use him, they want to use him right. But I haven&#39;t seen the movie so I can&#39;t be sure.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The Real Questions: HOW WAS HALLE BERRY???

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Was she a douche? Did she stink up the place with her verbal diarrhea? I must know!

  • May 21, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST

    ....

    by blackthought

    cyclops...one day you&#39;ll be adapted correctly...sighs.

  • May 21, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Narco

    by halfmahalfn

    OK - I&#39;m officially psyched for this film. And ready to take the good with the bad. The good? It&#39;s looking like the treatment of Jean Grey wil be great - and mutant on mutant action. The bad? Wolverine walking around from behind a sentinal head. Anyway, I just saw a truly great French comic film - "Narco". Highly recommended. And a special "non-prize" to who can tell me the action star cameo in it.

  • May 21, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    NARCO: Jean-Claude Van Damme

    by Negative Man

    And I&#39;ll take the &#39;no-prize&#39;...that French &#39;non-prize&#39; just isn&#39;t as cool.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    NEGATIVE MAN

    by halfmahalfn

    Nice work Negative Man. It was the best work by Van Damn in a long, long time (since Double Impact). And, for your fantastic film knowledge, you&#39;re going to get both prizes. Enjoy both prizes - you deserve it.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I must say, I&#39;m delightfully surprised

    by zerogundamx

    Aside from Cyclops getting a huge dick shoved up his ass this sounds like a great film.

  • May 21, 2006, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ok

    by TheLastBystander

    "X-1 did a so/so job, and was so/so successful. X-2 did an amazing job, and was uber successful. X-3 does no job" not sure if anybody commented on this, but X-1 did more than so-so. it was then considered a disaster, much like this, and when it came out it made 300 mil worldwide and 157 right here in the US. The sequel did even better, yes, with 214 and slightly over 400 world wide, but they were both hits. In fact it worked perfectly, the first becomes a hit, the sequel comes, is even better and does even better, too. And I&#39;m betting X-3 does mighty fine, just like DaVinci code did even though everyone was like "it&#39;s the new Bonfire of the Vanities." No, you idiots. The book got terrible reviews too (and it did suck), people want to see this whether you like it or not. Same goes for X-3 (except for the terrible reviews part.)

  • May 21, 2006, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Mori, "both mainstream AND fanboy audiences"

    by Immortal_Fish

    "freaking out for different reasons." That proves that there was nothing worth changing in the first place.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:13 p.m. CST

    captboulder, "always HATED Famke as Jean Grey"

    by Immortal_Fish

    The uncharacteristic change fit the story that Bryan Singer wanted to tell. Just like the uncharacteristic motherhood of Lois Lane fits the story he wants to tell. Bryan Singer is not a bankable storyteller where comic fans are concerned. He rapes, mutates, and transforms them beyond recognition in order to exorcise his own personal demons. Good on ya, Bryan. Problem is, you&#39;re really fucking some fanboy ass really hard. Trying REALLY hard to avoid delving into homophobic punnery here, but facts remain. Bryan has and is laying waste to longterm comic canon. For that, it is very, very hard to avoid wishing cancer on him or anyone that he knows.

  • May 21, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The X-Men Franchise

    by Boromir187

    Correct me if I am wrong, but haven&#39;t the producers (Shuler-Donner, DeSanto, Winter, etc.) said in numerous interviews that this film is by no means the end of the franchise? I know that Ratner has stated it is, but I would think the producers would know more about the future of the series than he would. As far as I know, he is the ONLY person who has ever said it was the last one. Jackman has referred to it as the end of a thematic trilogy, but he himself never declared it to be the final installment. We already know we are getting the Wolverine and Magneto prequels, that much has been made official. It has also been alluded to recently (by Lauren Shuler-Donner and Zak Penn) that we&#39;ll more than likely be getting X-Men 4 in the form of a "New Mutants" film with the younger mutants being full team members and battling who knows what. I can easily see them bringing back most of the cast whose characters survive X3 and moving on with the series. With at least three films on the horizon, this franchise is far from over.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:07 p.m. CST

    LastBystander

    by chrth

    Wait for next weekend&#39;s numbers. If DaVinci Code drops 70% (for the Fri-Sun), it will be BOTV&#39;06.

  • May 21, 2006, 6:13 p.m. CST

    There&#39;s Something About You....

    by Crash Crator

    *****Instead of a review about Xmen, we get a review about Moriarty. Is it ALWAYS about Moriarty?

  • May 21, 2006, 6:21 p.m. CST

    i dont fucking believe it

    by calami-shami

    i saw the leno clip, I suffered through the seven minute preview and the other night HBO had a preview of its own just before the premiere of Batman Begins. "Let me outta o&#39; this thing I need to pee." Everything Ive been allowed to see of this film SUCKS. Not one scene looks interesting at all.

  • May 21, 2006, 7:19 p.m. CST

    X4 Will See...

    by flanaganagain

    X4 will have Jean using her powers to bring anybody dead back to life and anybody "cured" is "uncured". She is a bad ass in the comics! I still believe that due to a tight budget we will see the younger, more affordable actors in X4 with Beast leading the team. Kelsey Grammar must be cheap comapred to Stewart,Berry,and Jackman who must have huge salaries. Glad to hear this will be decent. Now if only FF2 can redeem itself?

  • May 21, 2006, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Well after reading the talkbacks to the review

    by Doc_Strange

    I think I&#39;m gonna wait to see who else reviews the flim. I&#39;m anxious to see what Harry has to say and some of the other guys. I definitely don&#39;t want to see a movie that&#39;s good based purely on low expectations because these are supposed to be good films. They aren&#39;t great films by any means but they were good enough for me to go and purchase the DVD. Hopefully we&#39;ll see a few more positive reviews, however if the negative outweigh the positive, then I&#39;m waiting for XVID/DIVX.

  • May 21, 2006, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Good idea, Doc Strange

    by ninpobugei

    Weigh the pros and cons of supporting something you don&#39;t agree with. Everyone else on this board will just run out and see a bad movie (like Superman Returns) and then whine and cry that they paid all that money and lost two hours of their life when they could have saved themselves the money and the anguish and NOT gone to see it when they knew they weren&#39;t going to like it to begin with! I&#39;d love to know what the average age of people on this board is, because most sound like a bunch of kids (i.e. teenagers).

  • May 21, 2006, 7:36 p.m. CST

    ALMOST FORGOT!!! X3 special on SciFi Channel...

    by flanaganagain

    Check your listings but Thursday nite the Sci Fi channel will have a TV Special on the movie with interviews with the cast.

  • May 21, 2006, 7:37 p.m. CST

    ....

    by blackthought

  • May 21, 2006, 8 p.m. CST

    Bravo, Moriarty.

    by johnmikeoos

    As sad as this sounds, I really, honestly wanted this movie to suck. It would be FAIR if this movie sucked. It would be FAIR if Rothman destroyed the X-Men franchise while Bryan Singer resurrected the Superman franchise. But you know what? I&#39;m glad Ratner "stuck the landing", as you put it. I&#39;m glad for him, because after endless amount of fanboy hate that was directed at him (when it really should&#39;ve been directed at Rothman), it&#39;s great to see that he just may walk away with the last laugh, knowing that he made a great film against all odds. If he truly nailed it like you said, then he&#39;s getting a lifetime pass from me...I still hope Superman Returns blows this movie out of the water, though.

  • May 21, 2006, 8:05 p.m. CST

    You want to ask Rat and Cast a Question?

    by flanaganagain

    On May 25th, the night before the theatrical release of the movie, several stars of the movie and director Brett Ratner will host a five hour Marvel movie block on the Sci-Fi Channel, and answer questions from fans which you can submit at http://www.scifi.com/inside/xmenthelaststand/

  • May 21, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Where the hell did NIGHTCRAWLER go?

    by My Ass Smells

    Is it explained in this fucking movie?

  • May 21, 2006, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Doesn&#39;t Mori seem less enthused?

    by meta4

    Compared to your other 2 reviews it seems like after your fanboy loving reviews (which i completely enjoyed don&#39;t take it as a jab) of the first two x-flicks you&#39;ve run out of steam. Your excitement for X-3 is incredibly subdued im alittle worried! i want to love this film i truly do, especially if i get my god damned sentinels and not just that one danger room scene

  • May 21, 2006, 8:14 p.m. CST

    my ass smells *Spoilers*

    by meta4

    His disappearance from x-3 (besides a contractual pissing war) is explained in x-men the official game, -Spoilers- Basically at the end of the game he can&#39;t handle being an x-man because his past demons (no pun intended) haunt him so he hands his resignation to wheels and leaves

  • May 21, 2006, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Ratner still = hack

    by mascan

    "Ratner and his crew took their cues from what Bryan Singer had done, due in large part to the same producers being in place." In other words, Ratner&#39;s film doesn&#39;t suck because (like he did with Red Dragon) he copied a better director&#39;s style instead of using his own. In my book, that&#39;s still the definition of a hack.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Wow. What a stunning reversal of opinion...

    by Zardoz

    I, like many others here, were so upset about the film&#39;s production primarily due to Moriarty&#39;s scathing review of the script. And now he likes the finished film? Huh! ("What a twist!") I remain VERY skeptical, but I actually hope it&#39;s somehow good. I guess we&#39;ll have to wait until Monday night for the first reviews from Cannes...

  • May 21, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Now AICN is sucking the RAT&#39;S DICK, typical!

    by KAWS

    Fucking hilarious, where&#39;s Harry fat lop-sided ass now, come on Harry, put down the chicken and say hello to the RAT&#39;s damn good review. Come on shit-foot, we know you&#39;re reading this.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:35 p.m. CST

    X2 was great. (Even though Cyc was neglected.)

    by Shermdawg

    Nuff said.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    They could still bring Scott and Jean back.

    by Shermdawg

    I mean with Sinister, ANYTHING is possible. Oh yeah, if there is a reboot of the series, PLEASE GET JAMES MARSTERS AS SINISTER! He&#39;s great as Brainiac on SMALLVILLE, but he&#39;d be even better in that role. Rosenbaum wouldn&#39;t be a bad choice for Cyclops either. As for Jean? Still undecided.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:50 p.m. CST

    And if Nightcrawler returns to the current series.

    by Shermdawg

    See if Adrien Brody would take over. That&#39;s who I would have went with in the first place. I mean come on, he did a Diet Coke commercial after winning the Oscar. A little blue paint shouldn&#39;t be out of the question.

  • May 21, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Sounds good for the comic fanboys

    by performingmonkey

    Apart from the fact that it&#39;s the end of the franchise (for now, but for the love of god they won&#39;t find a better cast, especially Mckellen as Magneto and Jackman as Wolverine)

  • May 21, 2006, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Ratner Hands Harry his Ass.

    by Gay Jesus Christ

    Did you guys read Entertainment Weekly? Ratner says that Harry was sucking on his cock and then stopped liking the flavor later on. He calls him out. Fighting words

  • May 21, 2006, 10:54 p.m. CST

    give me SPOILERS!

    by El Borak

    could someone who&#39;s seen the film spoil some of the mutant fights and who dies? besides the obvious.

  • May 21, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    everyone not named wolverine

    by blackthought

  • May 22, 2006, 12:02 a.m. CST

    T2 went from concept to release in 9 mos!

    by 0007

  • May 22, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST

    WOLVERINEINJAPANWOLVERINEINJAPANWOLVERINEINJAPAN

    by DOGSOUP

    Heeeeeey......I hear Frank Miller&#39;s back in the movie buisness.....

  • May 22, 2006, 12:54 a.m. CST

    relief

    by teddanson37

    i think i knew i was going to enjoy this film back when everyone was hating on it, just because i love the x-men movies so much they could have two hours of wolverine taking a crap and i&#39;d think it was great. but now i&#39;m excited cuz i won&#39;t be the only one in the world who enjoys this. that and i don&#39;t have to watch hugh jackman take a crap. IN OTHER NEWS: the superman vs. x-men battle is nonexistant. everyone knows supes will beat xmen at the box office. even as a hardcore x-men fan/superman hater, i know supes sells better than any superhero because he IS the ultimate superhero. he is the classic all the others are spun from. and as much as i hate him, i know america loves him.

  • May 22, 2006, 12:57 a.m. CST

    i do not want to see a wolverine movie...

    by teddanson37

    set in japan. superhero films and ninjas don&#39;t mix (elektra). bring on some weapon x junk and a throwdown with omega red and sabertooth. that&#39;s the wolverine movie we want to see. not him slicing up ninjas and the silver samurai. i really don&#39;t get how that fits into wolverines history i know there&#39;s the frank miller storyline, but it feels rather forced.

  • May 22, 2006, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I totally disagree. Samurai Wolverine is awesome

    by DOGSOUP

    When Frank did the miniseries it gave the character a needed pulse. It was the first time we really get to see Wolverine at peace, until it&#39;s snatched away. We get to see him love an obtainable woman (ala Not Jean) and then get his heart ripped out. It&#39;s a part of his history that is extremely important to his character development regardless of how awfully Elektra was treated(Who by the way is the most deadly woman alive in the MU. That didn&#39;t translate well at all. If handled better her story could have done for ninjas what Pirates of the Carribean did for swishy guys). Don&#39;t worry though, the Wolverine movie will probably start with the Origin story and end in that cage match in Canada.

  • May 22, 2006, 1:39 a.m. CST

    I totally disagree. Samurai Wolverine is awesome

    by DOGSOUP

    When Frank did the miniseries it gave the character a needed pulse. It was the first time we really get to see Wolverine at peace, until it&#39;s snatched away. We get to see him love an obtainable woman (ala Not Jean) and then get his heart ripped out. It&#39;s a part of his history that is extremely important to his character development regardless of how awfully Elektra was treated(Who by the way is the most deadly woman alive in the MU. That didn&#39;t translate well at all. If handled better her story could have done for ninjas what Pirates of the Carribean did for swishy guys). Don&#39;t worry though, the Wolverine movie will probably start with the Origin story and end in that cage match in Canada.

  • May 22, 2006, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Moriarty was "cured"....

    by Ben Hawkins

    There&#39;s no way this will be good. I don&#39;t really blame Ratner. Singer screwed it up from the beginning.

  • May 22, 2006, 3:01 a.m. CST

    The REAL question about X3, Mori:

    by ZeroCorpse

    Is Halle still crap?

  • May 22, 2006, 3:05 a.m. CST

    cannot wait to see how they treat creative genius

    by reckni

    i refuse to read the review in full, but i am there in full force upon release, for good or ill, i pray for best

  • May 22, 2006, 3:24 a.m. CST

    more on samurai wolverine

    by teddanson37

    samurai wolverine is an awesome idea but it&#39;s kinda like those batman figures with skis and a snow jacket on. even though it&#39;s cool, it doesn&#39;t feel like it fits perfectly into the mythology. maybe i&#39;m just crazy though. but i hate seeing wolverine with a sword. i&#39;m like "he&#39;s got 6 swords popping out his knuckles right now. why does he need a sword". i&#39;d rather have a kicka$$ wolvie flick without all that feels like a natural step in the movie saga but to go in it&#39;s own direction enough to set it apart from the x-men movies.

  • May 22, 2006, 3:31 a.m. CST

    X3 finally brings us the war

    by thebearovingian

    I&#39;m with those who prefer X1 over X2. I still remember how excited I was when Wolverine got out of his truck because the road was blocked off and he started sniffing and looking around and then Sabretooth flies out from the tree. Unfortunately that wasn&#39;t much of a fight like it should&#39;ve been (the statue of liberty fight was cool but it would&#39;ve been awesome for them to brawl right away). X2 never had those type of moments for me. And why the fuck does this Brian Cox fuckingloserassbitchwhore piece of shit keep getting all of these movie roles (aka Stryker in X2; more puzzling is his role as Agamemnon in Troy). Make the story about mutants fighting mutants and to a lesser extent, the story about the human fear of mutants. How about mutants vs. mutants vs. Sentinels? Bring back the 90&#39;s X-Men cartoon!!! And surely we could&#39;ve gotten Gambit in X2 instead of Pyro!!! Who the hell is Pyro?! Oh wait, I remember. He&#39;s someone no one gives a flying F about. Gambit would&#39;ve been perfect b/c he probably would side with Magneto for a while! X3! First showing! Friday! Can&#39;t wait!

  • May 22, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST

    So,....

    by Lightwave7871

    Moriarty, you hammer the script to within an inch of its life, you see a film which is pretty much what you reviewed on as a script... yet in the meantime we hear rumours of AICN getting shut out by Fox and suddenly BLAM! Drew McWeeny&#39;s uber wow I liked it review of a film he utterly loathed in script form... hmmm me thinks once again that Fox has a new bitch now....

  • May 22, 2006, 4:06 a.m. CST

    No matter what people will still be negative.

    by The Founder

    Well i&#39;m a lot relieved. I was really scared for this film, but a lot of the reviews I&#39;ve seen has been positive and Mori is a lot more unbiased then Harry. While I feel confident i will like the movie, I&#39;m still holding some of my guard up. I&#39;m not ashamed to say that Kinberg and Penn may possiably have made me eat crow. Oh well I&#39;m surethat I will be displeased with some things, but overall I shouls enjoy the film.

  • May 22, 2006, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I hope FOX hasn&#39;t gotten to Harry?

    by The Founder

    Really I hope not. I think the film will be fine and I never had a problem with Ratner it was the script writers Penn and Kinberg, who like I already said may be feeding me crow.

  • May 22, 2006, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Mori is right about one thing. Studios don&#39;t make......

    by The Founder

    huge films like X3 on a hurried time frame with a preset release date. Fox probably indeed did get lucky again, just like they did with F4, but they and the other studios out there shoudn&#39;t hurry a production. I&#39;m sure while X3 may be good it would have certainly or will certainly have been better with more production time. I&#39;m sure it would have been longer too if not for the time crunch.

  • May 22, 2006, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Captboulder put down the pipe, Famke is fine.

    by The Founder

    Seriously, I&#39;m sick of hearing what Hollywood actress is too old. Famke is not old, I&#39;m not sure her exact age, but she&#39;s in the mid 30&#39;s and looks damn beautiful, and I&#39;m not even in my 30&#39;s yet. Let me guess Kiera Knightly should have been Jean? Give me a break I don&#39;t want to see Xmen the early years with Knightly as Jean and Lex from Smallville as Prof X.

  • May 22, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST

    MORI - Running Time?

    by AttackingClone

    What is the approx running time? I heard it&#39;s only 1.45. Hope it&#39;s longer. And The Founder, Famke is actually 42, but she looks good though. I got no problem with her.

  • May 22, 2006, 4:50 a.m. CST

    The Founder

    by Shermdawg

    No, Lex would make a good Cyclops in a reboot. For Xavier...because by the time there is a reboot, you&#39;d need to update the story a bit...have Magneto remain the same, you could just say his powers allow him to age slowly...but for Xavier...I&#39;d make him african american. Someone like Andre Braugher, Avery Brooks, or *gasp* Sam Jackson.

  • May 22, 2006, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Sherm - Avery Brooks as Prof. X...

    by Tubbs Tattsyrup

    would be THE ultimate geek casting. Plus, I can see him as Xavier. Not Sam Jackson. Avery Brooks. The second Starfleet captian to be X, and let&#39;s face it - he has the ability to do it well.

  • May 22, 2006, 7:55 a.m. CST

    I agree with mori

    by Ace Calban

    I saw X3 in Cannes the other night and I must say i really had a good time with it and pretty much in agreement with what Mori has wriiten.. If I was so anal then yes I could bleat on how much the continuity isn&#39;t like the comics (i&#39;ve been reading then since it was Neal Adams on art) but what it does do is keep with the continuity that the films have devloped. So it does feel exactly like it picks up where 2 left off and it does bring to a close how the &#39;world&#39; and the characters have been devloped within this franchise. My only complaint is that it feels a too short and some of the characters are not given enough screen time to develop. yet I enjoyed it as a movie and most importnatly as an X-men film. The most interesting thing which no one has picked up and a little bit like Star Wars but the themeatic thread has really been about the rise of the main villain, Magneto.

  • May 22, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m glad this doesn&#39;t suck...

    by brycemonkey

    After all I love sci-fi/fantasy and comic book movies. If this was a huge failure it means that there would be fewer in future.

  • May 22, 2006, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Armin Shimerman as Professor X

    by CrispyOne

    With really big ears.

  • May 22, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m willing to take back all I said about X3

    by Doctor_Sin

    Mori is one of the few AICN reviewers who I trust to give an honest, objective opinion. I may see the film and hate it, but Mori is the one who convinces me to see it. I&#39;m looking forward to this now. Thanks, Mori.

  • May 22, 2006, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Tubbs Tattsyrup

    by Shermdawg

    Think Mace Windu Jackson. For awhile, I was thinking of a Jackson Xavier opposite a Fishburne Magneto, but like I said before, Mags should stay the same.

  • May 22, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    ....

    by blackthought

  • May 22, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Also, if you were gonna pick someone for looks alone...

    by Shermdawg

    Ian Tracey from Davinci&#39;s Inquest would make a decent Wolverine. Never actually seen the show, but remember him from Taken. He&#39;s short too. Also, as much as I hate the guy, John Cena is a spitting image of John Byrne&#39;s character artwork. Look at his wide mouth and jaw structure.

  • May 22, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Oh, and if they ever make a new X-men cartoon...

    by Shermdawg

    I&#39;d base the look for it, off Paul Smith&#39;s run on Uncanny. (My all-time favorite X-artist)

  • May 22, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST

    the script

    by PoliMan4

    Many of you seem to be criticizing Mori for giving a poor review to the script and a good review to the movie. If I remember correctly, Mori merely posted SOMEONE ELSE&#39;S review of a script TREATMENT. And the review was somewhat positive. Seems to me to be an interesting case of talkbackers projecting their own opinions onto the mods of the site.

  • May 22, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Ebert and Roeper Early Review

    by blackwood

    Last night on the teevee. Two thumbs up. Said it presented many interesting ideas at the same time as being a slam bang action flick. They weren&#39;t gushing, but both seemed genuinely please with what it was.

  • May 22, 2006, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Told Ya, Bitches. Told Ya.

    by www.valiens.com

    Waaah waah waah--Bret Ratner, WAAAH! I knew he&#39;d pull it off.

  • May 22, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    something tells me...

    by emeraldboy

    that come next weekend there is going to be alot egg all over the face of a certain texan, who just a few short months nearly contaminated this site with his unfair hatred for a film that hadnt be released. I cant wait to see this film x-men 3 or superman for that matter. and this summer with all the boring crap on offer we need films that just entertain and that is all.

  • May 22, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    This is cynical but...

    by Jewish_Batman

    Can&#39;t you picture the producers talking to Ratner during production? "Uhhh, almost Brett, but you&#39;ve got to do it like Bryan did." I&#39;m glad he (apparently) listened.

  • May 22, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Well...we may be premature about this...

    by Lost Skeleton

    Variety and The Hollywood Reporter have revies on Rottontomatoes and they are not good. The term mindless action comes to mind. I&#39;m still down but I do not think this will be a critical darling. That said...it is going to make a shit load of money.

  • May 22, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Howard Stern Loved it

    by YouIgnorantGeeks

    Said it was great, good action, and just enough story (As in not TOO much of a story where its more talking then fighting) He said of the 6 people that went, only 1 didnt think it was great, JD, who said it was too formulaic. I am looking forward to this movie so much. Liked the first... LOVED the second... and this is looking to have more in common with the second, and continuing in that trend. Besides Howards favorite shows (Buffy, Smallville, etc) are mine too... so I trust his movie opinions. Only he hated Just Friends and I thought that was funny in a stupid way.

  • May 22, 2006, 11:37 a.m. CST

    GREAT review, Mori!

    by mbeemer

    I&#39;ve been VERY leery of this for a long time. You&#39;ve given me hope!

  • May 22, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST

    40 years

    by Larry Jay

    I&#39;ve been a comic fan for 40 years and it disturbs me to hear all of these younger fanboys bitching and moaning about how much they hate a comic book movie that they haven&#39;t even seen for themselves. They don&#39;t know how long guys like me have waited for some of these great stories to finally make it to the screen. They don&#39;t know how many half baked turds came through the pipe (r.corman&#39;s FF) and others to finally get us to the point that there is a movie we can watch and enjoy. "I&#39;ll only watch it on DVD" . FUCK Ya, you little whiney, mama&#39;s basement dwelling, slack jawed drooling mouth breather. Half of the fun of these movies is picking out the good stuff. Sure they aren&#39;t part of Chris Claremonts X-Men Reality. Heard of Alternate Universes? That make it any easier to swallow. Crawl back into your sleeping bag in the laundry room on friday. I&#39;ll be in the theatre waiting to see one of my lifetime favorites make it big on the big screen. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

  • May 22, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    RIP

    by Heckles

    Ms. Marvel killing off you-know-who in the first act is pitiful and makes me not want to see it. I will, of course, but Havok&#39;s brother has gotten shaft this whole series.

  • May 22, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I still want them to reconcile the Hank McCoy from X2

    by rev_skarekroe

    with the current Beast. Yeah, I know, nobody cares but me.

  • May 22, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Hell ya

    by lofe101

    i always knew this one was going to be sweet no matter what other people said. Superman sucks. GO SABRES!!!!!

  • May 22, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t think Samurai Wolvie would work in this case...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    The Wolverine of the movies seems to be a vagrant hillbilly-type, just wandering canada (and presumably the US) just surviving. That&#39;s one of the things I liked about him compared to the comics... in the comics, for a guy who can&#39;t remember his past, and had his memories altered, he sure remembers quite a bit very accurately. I think it should be based on his secret survice days before william stryker. with the bone claws and the commando team with him, Creed, North, and Wraith, taking on Omega Red. after nearly getting owned by Red, the Wolverine signs up for a project that would put him as Red&#39;s equal... Weapon X

  • May 22, 2006, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Seens to be a lot of backpeddling now. Hmmm?

    by The Founder

    I alwayssaid to just wait people until the final product instead of ripping am ovie to shreds whole hog. Yeah I had my doubts becuase of the screenwriters, but I&#39;ve always supported Ratner. I knew he was just there to shootthe film and that&#39;s it. I&#39;ve liked his movies no problem, and he capable enough to do a solid flick so long as the script is good.

  • May 22, 2006, 1 p.m. CST

    Let&#39;s not spooge yet...

    by monkeybrow

    X3 is already down to 60% on Rottentomatoes.....but on the other hand.....the "Davici Code" got a hoorible rating on that site and I really enjoyed it.

  • May 22, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST

    "horrible" - sorry

    by monkeybrow

  • May 22, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Monkey Brow

    by Larry Jay

    There are only 5 reviews there for pete&#39;s sake. Give it a little time.

  • May 22, 2006, 1:57 p.m. CST

    NICE REVIEW, BUT IF YOU WANT A GOOD COMIC BOOK MOVIE...

    by coldreboot

    Tarantino directing Preacher is what you need. That is all.

  • May 22, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    my little rant

    by Drexl

  • May 22, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST

    What a genuinely...

    by Childe Roland

    ...pleasant thing to find upon my return to civilization and the aicn talkbacks. You&#39;ve raised my expectations for this one, Mori, and I think they were already higher than average. For quite some time I&#39;ve been content with the notion that these films exist in a universe unto itself, inspired by and reverent of while being dramatically different from their source material, and I&#39;ve actually been very glad since learning this would be the final film (now if only Raimi will do the same for Spider Man and keep that at a respectable trilogy). The franchise has been good enough for me to deserve its closure, and I was willing to give it that even though I hate the way they&#39;ve treated Cyclops while pandering to Halle throughout. Despite being sad at the loss of Nightcrawler, I&#39;ve been excited to see Beast on screen. I remain a bit disappointed that apparently a lot of characters are in this just for the visual nod factor. But now, thanks to your review, I&#39;m looking forward to the resolution of an overarching epic that&#39;s been, overall, very well told.

  • May 22, 2006, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Hear Hear!

    by CRanapia

    Drexel wrote, "We also have to get rid of the notion CGI needs to be photorealistic. It

  • May 22, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Getting 67% favorable on Rotten Tomatoes so far...

    by Zardoz

    But none of the reviews are really ecstatic or glowing. Most are: it&#39;s okay, filled with cool action scenes, but not as good as the first two films...

  • May 22, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST

    V

    by AmirReza

    Moriarty was the only one who really seemed to give an honest, fair and balanced review of V for Vendetta, so I&#39;m only slightly skeptical of this review. I&#39;ll see X3, maybe not opening day, but the hype machine led by Harry for V would have made the final film really disappointing were it not for Mori&#39;s sobering words: it was a good film with great moments, but a fair share of blunders as well.

  • May 22, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Then again...

    by AmirReza

    X3s got a 6/10 on CHUD. http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748 Like I said, I&#39;ll wait and see.

  • May 22, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    97 mins

    by AmirReza

    Running time. Pretty darn short. Sorry for the multiple posts.

  • May 22, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST

    This strikes me...

    by Christopher3

    As a film that non-geeks will like more than geeks, whose main gripes are that it&#39;s too short and they want more. As a semi-geek, I am looking forward to a summer film that doesn&#39;t overstay its welcome -- MI:III being Exhibit I.)

  • May 22, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST

    M:I 3 was an excellent movie

    by ninpobugei

    What more can anyone ask of a summer action flick - it was the best I&#39;ve seen in years!

  • May 22, 2006, 5:53 p.m. CST

    well my money is on the CHUDster

    by Knugen

    http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748

  • May 22, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Did that first post f"#khole just spoil the movie?

    by Knugen

    First post = instaban

  • May 22, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    My money is on the Chudster too. I don&#39;t trust Moriarty

    by Snuffles

    http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=reviews&id=6748 Moriarty simpy dismisses all the problems in that movie, and seems to be in Harry spooge mode. If you want spoilers, definitely read the "invisotext" at the end of the article.

  • May 22, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST

    How about this one?

    by Larry Jay

    How about a Wolverine/Hand/Mariko/Silver Samurai/Yakuza movie WRITTEN AND DIRECTED by FRANK MILLER? With maybe a little help from Robert Rodriguez? ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!!

  • May 22, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Knugen

    by Shermdawg

    No, I didn&#39;t put the deaths in the title. AND YOU HAVE TO BE LIVING UNDER A FUCKING ROCK TO NOT KNOW WHO DIES. IT&#39;S BEEN SPOILED BY JUST ABOUT EVERY PERSON ON THIS SITE. So if you banm me, you gotta ban half the users here. And honestly, the site is all about the spoilers, so.....GET OVER IT!

  • May 22, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST

    And furthermore...

    by Shermdawg

    thats part of the main reason, some of us are so pissed about this film. Of course, the bad effects, Jeans demise, and Halle&#39;s acting are other key factors.

  • May 22, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Re: Getting 67% favorable on Rotten Tomatoes so far...

    by CRanapia

    Well, who knows - perhaps it&#39;s critical karma. I expect fanboy flaming, but X-Men and X-2 weren&#39;t exactly the Citizen Kane of comic book movies. Not bad - but I walked out of the theatre without cream-filled panties. Perhaps two over-rated films will be followed by an under-rated third.

  • May 22, 2006, 8 p.m. CST

    Pay Attention KCMOSHer and whoever else...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    complained about killing off or curing a bunch of characters in the movie, they just had a massive shift event in the COMIC that killed off or cured a whole bunch of characters, not to mention magneto and sabretooth both finally meeting the pointy end of Logan&#39;s mood. anyway, he&#39;s an idea, watch the movie and form your own opinion about it, or don&#39;t, and don&#39;t. but if you don&#39;t, don&#39;t bitch about it. it&#39;s a movie, meant to be watched. deal with it

  • May 22, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST

    hey W3bzpinn3r

    by teddanson37

    sick idea for a wolverine movie. i love to see that.

  • May 22, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Childe "content with notion films exist in own timelin"

    by Immortal_Fish

    First of all, don&#39;t you HAATE!! how our subject lines have been truncated beyond quotability? That said, I dismay how I agree with you here. You&#39;re ultimately right -- the films should be absorbed as their own creation. That they are an absolute bastardization of the source material is a sidenote because they favorably resonated with audiences, therefore hold merit on their own canon. This is the only reason why I&#39;ll be introducing my 8-yr old daughter to the X-series this coming weekend (she&#39;s since graduated from FF last year). That said, I take umbrage with your notion that a series could be rebooted later on. This is not because it isn&#39;t feasible. Hell, King King has seen its 3rd retelling after 70 years. Thing is, Wolverine ain&#39;t King Kong and there will be many X-Men stories to pass between 1966 and 2046. Perhaps one of them may be more bankable than a reboot of the Sentinels, Hellfire Club, or Phoenix saga. Roland, the time is NOW and its passing us by. Lookit, Mori sees the Gwen v MJ switch on film as a fanboy v flimgoer mindfuck. I see this as a reason why things should have remained as they were in the first place!

  • May 22, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST

    "deal with it"

    by Shermdawg

    You just dont get it do ya?

  • May 22, 2006, 8:58 p.m. CST

    MORIARTY i need to know...

    by teddanson37

    is there an opening monolouge by xavier. cuz if not that takes major points off for me. especially in continuity from the first two. it&#39;s tradition.

  • May 22, 2006, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Hey, Mori mentioned a groovy R. Lee Ermey cameo.

    by Shermdawg

    Any chance he&#39;s the voice of the Sentinel?

  • May 22, 2006, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Shermdawg...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    Apparently, I just don&#39;t get it. explain it to me, if you be so kind, as to why you can&#39;t bring yourself to enjoy or dislike something after you have seen it, as opposed to entirely based on what other people say about it. is it just you lack the ability to make up your own mind?

  • May 22, 2006, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Sleeping_Angel

    by Shermdawg

    I have yet to actually pass judgement on the film yet. I have my fingers crossed, which I&#39;ve said before. Buuut I have my doubts. And its not based on what others say about it, its about what my eyes have seen. Colossus? Berry? That Sentinel Head? And even if I do end up liking the film, I will NEVER get over the shitty treatment Cyclops got.

  • May 22, 2006, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Moriarty got a PRIVATE SCREENING from FOX?

    by Ringwearer9

    Shouldn&#39;t that be sending up a big red flag? I mean, it&#39;s not really Payola, but it is a special favor to give Moriarty a private screening of the movie ahead of time. I mean, if you are a decent human being, and people go out of the way to set up a special screening for you (and what dont we know about, the cute secretary saying "OH, Mr. McWeeny! Right this way!" ) Did he get to talk to anyone after, anxious, nice people who hoped he liked it? If he&#39;s a decent human being, there&#39;s going to be psychological pressure to look at it in a more favorable light after that, and Moriarty starts thinking of the Movie makers as his buds, not the people who will have to watch it. After reading that Chud article mentioned above, I can&#39;t help but feel Moriarty is being misleading. Not to mention Moriarty&#39;s usual habit of going the opposite direction of Harry and Friends in order to prove how much smarter or cooler he is for having a different opinion from them.

  • May 23, 2006, 3:36 a.m. CST

    PLANT!!!

    by grendel824

    Ok, maybe not. I hope it&#39;s good, but I&#39;m still keeping my expectations low. I&#39;d love to be pleasantly surprised by this...

  • May 23, 2006, 3:37 a.m. CST

    stupid character deaths

    by grendel824

    yeah, but come on - it&#39;s not like they haven&#39;t been stupidly killed off in the comic before, and they&#39;ve come back just fine. I can deal with that.

  • May 23, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST

    You said I didn&#39;t get &#39;it&#39;

    by Sleeping_Angel

    I still don&#39;t know what it is. all you&#39;ve said now is what &#39;it&#39; isn&#39;t. which doesn&#39;t answer the question. and yes, I know this took a long time , but I have a life...

  • May 23, 2006, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Do I really have to explain "it"?

    by Shermdawg

    Haven&#39;t you already figured "it" out? The "it" in question, is the same "it" you told us to deal with. And that "it" is the mishandling of what could have been the biggest franchise next to Star Wars by FOX. Is "it" so hard to understand that someone can love something so much, but also issues disgust with "it" at the same time? Are you a sports fan? "It" is the same as critiscizing the ______ for sucking, but still supporting them. To shut up and deal with "it" is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. But we are told this in countless talkbacks and whatnot, and are labeled haters. If everyone just dealed with "it" we&#39;d live in a communist society. If we dealed with "it" we&#39;d get the same tired sh"it" we&#39;ve been given for years. Sure, theres not much we can do about "it". But you know what? A guy can dream can&#39;t he? I&#39;m sorry if you can settle for "it" being half-assed, or not even getting the chance to be something great that "it" deserves to be.

  • May 23, 2006, 5:29 a.m. CST

    What is it about X Men.

    by hallmitchell

    It has a history of having buzz that it was going to suck. Especially One and Three. Yet it comes through and delivers the goods. The buzz on this film was so bad I was considering not going. I&#39;ve changed my mind. Thankyou for the review.

  • May 23, 2006, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Since I had no earthly idea...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    ...What you were trying to express, explaining it is helpful. But no, I can&#39;t imagine the point of loving something and hating it at the same time. Nor can I see the point in disliking someone else&#39;s idea of what &#39;it&#39; should be. There are countless movies out there that are considered bad, but the filmmakers still talk with passion about what they were trying to do. do they do that because they&#39;re trying to convince you to see something that isn&#39;t there, or to convince you to see it the way they did? I&#39;d prefer the latter.

  • May 23, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the review. I hope it&#39;s as good as you say.

    by minderbinder

    I&#39;m on the fence on this one, but probably will see it just because I like the franchise.

  • May 23, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    X-Men Canon

    by elric666

    I grew up on the X-Men from #96 on and was immediately hooked. I loved the characters and they drew me into the entire comics medium that included FF, Spidey, etc. Now regarding the X-Men movies, sure I was disappointed that they didn&#39;t follow canon very well but I divorced myself from the comic mythos and just tried to enjoy the essence of each character captured on screen. And in that light I was fairly happy except for Cyke and Storm. They to me were very integral pieces to the team and were pretty well wasted in the movies. Cyke and Wolvie needed way more interaction and bickering that could have been really played up cinematically not to mention that Cyke was miscast by a very impotent actor. Blame the script but still, Cyke needed to be &#39;Team Freakin&#39; Leader&#39;, no ifs ands or buts!!! He also should have been the same age as Jean. Storm is a wallflower and horribly miscast in Halle Berry. A number of black actresses come to mind that could have pulled off Storm tenfold. Patrick and Ian do fine by their characters. With that said I truly hope that Fox is done with the franchise and that Marvel Studios restarts the X-Men in a truly less restraining medium. Turn them loose in a 100% CGI animated movie, ala The Incredibles,(and PG-13) that goes balls to the wall comic geek pleasure. That means staying close to X-Men canon, retain the comic book costumes, and bring to life all those fantastic stories we read back in the day updated somewhat for contemporary tastes. Maybe this will finally make everyone happy. The possibilities are endless. Just my brief two cents.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:34 a.m. CST

    I&#39;ve said it in 2 other reviews

    by WannaBePoser

    so i might as well post to yours and let you know that i enjoy your writing and the way you approach movie reviewing.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Fellow X-Fans

    by McFlyWalker

    Whilst I agree that in their own ways, the first 2 "X" movies were grounbreaking, I still felt thta we hadn&#39;t been given the spectacle that the source material delivers on page. This is due to Fox not wanting to take a risk, no other reason. If you want proof, look at Pete Jacksons LOTR trilogy and King Kong...the studios knew the draw & were willing to back their director no matter what. If this movie blows, who cares! I&#39;m a fan & would rather see an interpretation on screen than always wonder in the great Marvel tradition of "What If". After all, it is better to have loved & lost than to never have loved at all. NB: If you read this Moriaty, I hope your wrong about this being a fluke giving the time constraints, since Transformers looms on the horizon of geek hate-dom!

  • May 24, 2006, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Moriarty was right... a year ago

    by rgatz

    The most depressing aspect of X3 is something Moriarty pointed out a year or so ago. Fox hates Science Fiction but they make are charged with creating an awful lot of it. It makes them piles of money but the studio doesn&#39;t give it any respect. It sounds like X3 is a serviceable exploitation of the X universe. But they didn&#39;t/don&#39;t have any intention of keeping faith with the stories. The X Men are just gimmicks to hang high concept pitches on, stories be damned. Success or failure Fox will feel completely justified in their process. If it succeeds the concerns of the fans original stories are rendered irrelevant. If it fails it&#39;s because there isn&#39;t a mainstream audience for "this Stuff" and its just as well we didn&#39;t spend real money on it. X3 sounds like the X series&#39; "Battle for the Planet of the Apes." We finally see the ape/human apocalypse and it&#39;s two horses and a jeep.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    To The Haters

    by McFlyWalker

    To all the people having a fit that Wolverine&#39;s dressing to the left, rather than the right, that Kitty&#39;s a 34dd rather than a 32dd, etc, etc.......get a life! Where were you when it was MAry Jane flung off the bridge in Spiderman & not Gwen Stacey? Where were you when Xavier giving the mutant population an anurism in X2 didn&#39;t affect Jason Stryker? and more importantly, where were any of you for the Generation X movie? THE ONLY MOVIE TO RAPE, PILLAGE & SUCK THE LIFE FROM THE "X" UNIVERSE????? I&#39;ve said it before, so what if the director&#39;s Brett Ratner? Did any of you see Brain Dead or Meet The Feebles before LOTR/King Kong?? Probably not as the interenet wasn&#39;t was it is & you were all at home whacking off in your mum&#39;s basement. Comic movies are for everyone, not just those of us who spend money on comic books rather than taking girls out to dinner!!! FYI: I&#39;ve written this wit hmy son on my lap whilst my wife prepares dinner! PS: GET A LIFE!

  • May 24, 2006, 4:03 p.m. CST

    why does everyone forget that the first x men..

    by Cotton McKnight

    movie was not all that great? It was good, no doubt, but I thought of it as a bit of a letdown. X men 2 was the one that redeemed the franchise. Now though, those two movies are just pure gold.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Stop touting Van Damme as Gambit...

    by lynxpro

    That role should go to Mr. Monica Bellucci, better known as Vincent Cassel. And if there&#39;s an X-Men4, Storm should be recast with Rosario Dawson in the role.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Guy Pearce=Gambit

    by DOGSOUP

    This guy needs the meaty hero role.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Hi there, Tom! Nice "zinger" there ...

    by Ringwearer9

    Yes, Pazuzu is kind of a foul rotting syphilis of a talkbacker, isn&#39;t he.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Pierce won&#39;t be Gambit...

    by lynxpro

    Just as he refused to be Daredevil or Batman.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Oh, yes. Homewrecker is definitely Pazuzu

    by Ringwearer9

    Who does Pazuzu think he&#39;s fooling?

  • May 26, 2006, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Yes, great zingers...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...much like telling talkbacker My Ass Smells that "your ass smells, which means that you don&#39;t wipe, haw haw haw", since -- of course -- he would have no idea what his own username meant.

  • May 26, 2006, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Speaking of "zingers", Ringy...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...GoatZinger flattened you in your absence in the Ghost Rider TB.

  • May 26, 2006, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Not to mention...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...his slamming of you in the The Promise TB. How&#39;s his cock taste now?

  • May 26, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Forgive and Forget, Pazuzu, Forgive and Forget.

    by Ringwearer9

    Who cares? Obviously YOU would obsess about it, but I, being cool and all ... Why&#39;d you bring up Goatzinger by the way? Oh, because I used the word "zinger"? You really are obsessed and paranoid.

  • May 26, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST

    "Why&#39;d you bring up Goatzinger by the way?"

    by DocPazuzu

    Who do you think TomBodet is, anyway? Dumbass.

  • May 26, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Pazuzu, you try to pretend you are smart BUT ...

    by Ringwearer9

    ... you had no idea until you saw me drop the "zinger" clue in another talkback. And now you are desperate for everyone to think you are super smart for figuring it out.

  • May 26, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Ringwearer9

    by DocPazuzu

    Which must be why I suggested to him a couple of weeks ago that his disguise was "slipping" when he went off on an anti-Peter Jackson rant. You got ass-rammed by GoatZinger in that other TB and were blowing him in this one. Hilarious.

  • May 26, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Stick around for the credits

    by OnSlaught35

    Stick around for the credits and you will get a treat for true X-men fans. I just saw the movie and I give it a 8 out of 10 which is high Lord of the rings would be a 10. So enjoy.

  • May 31, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Painful

    by Spangler

    But still a fucking awesome movie. I give it a B. Though the day to night transition (or lack thereof) after the bridge sequence can not be ignored.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    FIRST!!!!!

    by dacanesta

    Hello, im Bob Jefferson from the Moon Toilet

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Oooh! I can have a field day here

    by dacanesta

    So i will say that I love Kelloggs rice crispies but DESPISE dead grandmas!

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    I wonder about toilets sometimes

    by dacanesta

    but im not telling you why!

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    anyone fancy a bit of beef?

    by dacanesta

    BEEFY BEEF THAT IS!

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    FUCK WILLY BUM BEEF!

    by dacanesta

    and a partridge in a pear tree