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Mr. Beaks Gets to the End of THE MIST with Frank Darabont!

(Disclaimer: this entire interview is one big spoiler for THE MIST. If you haven't seen it yet, please do something about that. There's a very nice DVD readily available, and a Blu-Ray disc scheduled for release on September 16th. Once you check it out, I think you'll want to come back and read what Frank Darabont has to say about the film's stunning conclusion.)

If I were to revise my Top 15 of 2007, I'd find a way to squeeze Frank Darabont's THE MIST. Though I still have a few problems with the somewhat contrived conflict of the first act (seemingly reasonable characters often take opposing viewpoints because it's narratively expedient), Darabont rewards our suspension of disbelief with a harrowing horror parable that measures up to Rod Serling at his very best. It's especially effective because you don't expect the writer-director of THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION and THE GREEN MILE to keep piling on the grim. Even if you're acquainted with the classic Stephen King novella, you still figure that the humanist in Darabont will win out. Surely the kid will at least make it out al--

Bang.

And that's just the first sucker punch. As far as I'm concerned, it's the one that comes after the gunshots that has THE MIST bucking for "horror classic" status. Though the film didn't catch on commercially when it was released to theaters last Thanksgiving, people who wrote it off as a low-budget genre programmer are discovering that it's a helluva lot more than that. The question is whether they admire or resent the film for daring to be more than just a scare machine; judging from the many conversations/arguments I've had regarding this film (and its finale) since last November, there seems to be a fifty-fifty split.

While THE MIST may never inspire a SHAWSHANK-level groundswell of popular support, I'm confident it will acquire its fair share of ardent defenders as the years wear on. So when I was offered the opportunity to chat with Darabont at the 2008 San Diego Comic Con, I leapt at it - even though the interview would be held on the convention floor (where the din of the geeks is hell on transcribing). Darabont was running a tad late for an autograph signing, but we still managed to get in a solid ten minutes of discussion on the meaning of THE MIST's ending.

Once Darabont exchanged pleasantries with a just-arrived Thomas Jane, we dove right in.

Beaks: It's great to be talking about this movie with you now. I missed you during the theatrical release, but now that THE MIST has been out for a while, we can focus on the ending. It's engendered some very passionate responses.

Frank Darabont: Pro and con.

Beaks: I've had a number of arguments over the conclusion, and interpretations tend to break down along political lines - though I do have a left leaning friend who read it as a conservative tract.

Darabont: Conservative!? Oh, no, baby! That's an outraged liberal tract!

Beaks: I agree. But she read your punishment of Thomas Jane's character as a swipe at defeatist liberal attitudes.

Darabont: (Pause) Wow!

Beaks: This is a very well-read individual, too. Very intelligent. But she was pretty resolute on this.

Darabont: Here's my feeling on such things. Whether I agree or disagree with this reading, I am absolutely delighted that the movie opens itself to interpretation. SHAWSHANK certainly does for people. THE GREEN MILE does for people. THE MAJESTIC probably less so. But I love movies that are open to interpretation, where people infer, or bring something of themselves to the table. If that's her interpretation, she's a right to it. As long as it stirs some kind of reaction. There's so much stuff we see that just washes over us; it plays too by-the-numbers, and then you're done. There is no interpretation to be had. There's just, "Okay, I watched something."

Beaks: Filmmakers are afraid to end their films with Bonnie and Clyde getting shot to shit, and then say, "Okay, there's your movie!"

Darabont: "Bye!" (Laughs) Well, I grew up in the 70s watching the movies that were coming out then, and I'm not the blanket acolyte who says, "All movies made in the 70s were genius." No, I was there, and there was plenty of by-the-numbers crap then, too. But I certainly will concede that there was more experimentation going on - certainly within the studio system - than there is now. We're trying stuff like that: the non-obvious stuff, the leave-it-open-to-interpretation stuff. I think that's wonderful. It's definitely what excites me. I don't necessarily want to walk out of the theater knowing exactly every stroke that the storyteller made. Because if I don't, then I get to walk out and think about it a little bit. "Gee, what do I have to bring to that?" It's like Stanley Kubrick movies - not that I'm comparing what I do to Stanley Kubrick. But there was always something that was open to interpretation to a greater or lesser degree, and that was always so stimulating to me, so intellectually exciting.

Beaks: Absolutely. That's the kind of excitement that got me queuing up multiple times for EYES WIDE SHUT. It was the type of film that raised so many questions, I wanted to go back and engage with it again. THE MIST was definitely one of those experiences where, after I'd absorbed the shock of the first viewing, I wanted to get back in there. I didn't think you were going to take us all the way there. I kept assuming there was a safety net, and, because of that, I left the theater shaking.

Darabont: Really?

Beaks: Oh, yeah. I just didn't see it going there.

Darabont: You know, some people love that sensation that you just described, and some people really don't. I knew going in that that would be a divisive thing, but some of my favorite movies were [divisive].

Beaks: Do you find that, after the fact, people are beginning to embrace this as they did SHAWSHANK? For different reasons, of course.

Darabont: I have no idea. I think only time will really tell, and I don't think enough time has passed for me to get a sense of it. But, geez, it took years for me to grasp that there was something special going on with SHAWSHANK, that it had some lasting value for people. So... I don't know. Come back in five or ten years, and we'll finally have an answer to that question. A fair one, anyway. I hope so! It'd be great!

Beaks: Do you think the film's reception was due to people not wanting to be hit in the face with the harsh realities of what it is we're going through as a nation - even on a metaphorical, microcosmic level? We just don't want to be perturbed?

Darabont: Oh, yeah. The whole "Don't Worry, Be Happy" syndrome that we have as Americans has never allowed for much getting slapped in the face by reality, I'm afraid. Certainly now is no different. It may be to a greater degree now than it has been before, but, again, time will tell. Retrospect is always the greatest tool. But, look, a part of me doesn't blame the average moviegoer for wanting to go to the movies half the time and walk out feeling happy because they saw the superhero beat the supervillain. I get that. Shit, I like that. I want that sort of film catharsis, too. Just not at the exclusion of something that challenges me on occasion, or kicks me in the nuts, or dares to piss me off - because I dig those movies as well. The art form, I believe, should count for more than just the opening weekend gross. That's how I feel about what we do. It should count for more than that. And when it does, I'm such a happy man. When I see PAN'S LABYRINTH, I say, "Thank god! Art happened! An artist showed up to work, and he painted with beautiful, elegant brushstrokes." It's like a Monet. It'll last for a while. It's not a blockbuster I'm going to forget in ten minutes.

Beaks: The nice thing with PAN'S LABYRINTH, though, is that people had time to discover that film. It was handled in such a way that the opening weekend was never a factor. But, getting back to the tone of THE MIST, I'm wondering if you were working on it pre-9/11, and, if so, whether the tenor of the piece darkened after 9/11.

I think my idea for what THE MIST was going to be was pretty intact prior to that event. I think what changed after 9/11 was my determination to make the movie. It felt like it was more relevant than ever. The issues it deals with are timeless: it deals with extremism; it deals with a mental condition of fascism; it deals with mob mentality. Those things have always been around, but it just went from being a timeless story to being a very timely story. To me. And that's what really made me want to buckle down and do it. The intention was always there to do it, but [9/11] just sort of reinvigorated the need to do it.

Beaks: When you were developing and, ultimately, shopping the film, did you ever get notes that said, "Well, obviously, you're not really going to kill the kid."?

Darabont: (Laughing) No. What I got was financiers saying "Okay, we'll fund your movie, but, of course, you have to change the ending." And I'd say, "Of course, I won't. And, of course, you won't finance it." I understood. And we shook hands and parted ways. That's why I wound up making it for Bob [Weinstein]. Bob was the only guy who said, "Wow, this is ballsy, this is crazy. I can get behind this, but you have to make it for a price." And so I wound up making it for him for about half the budget other people had been offering me. And I thought, "You know, that's a fair tradeoff. I won't make a salary, and I won't get the little things that I usually get for making a movie. But I get to make the movie my way. And I have to shoot it in six weeks. Financial accommodation was well worth being able to maintain the creative vision of the movie, and it's a choice I'd make again. I'm just happy to have gotten the movie made.

As with many of the interviews I conducted at Comic Con this year, I was prepared to go longer. But, in this instance, the autograph signing session was running fifteen minutes late, and who am I to keep Darabont from his public? Perhaps there'll be more time at a later date. For now, I'm just thankful that a gifted writer like Frank Darabont is out there fighting for the good name of an often disreputable genre.

Faithfully submitted,

Mr. Beaks

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Thanks for the article, Mr Beaks
by palimpsest
Jul 30th, 2008
02:02:48 AM
I loved the ending...
by virtual_ninja
Jul 30th, 2008
02:04:47 AM
Yup, the ending was a kick in the nuts......
by Aloy
Jul 30th, 2008
02:05:22 AM
The Mist was kinda sucky
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
02:09:24 AM
The Mist is great
by reni
Jul 30th, 2008
02:11:20 AM
very good film
by Bruarvatn
Jul 30th, 2008
02:11:47 AM
Rupee88
by shodan6672
Jul 30th, 2008
02:21:35 AM
Gotta love Darabont
by David Cloverfield
Jul 30th, 2008
02:27:21 AM
Darbont is great
by m_reporter
Jul 30th, 2008
02:40:02 AM
shodan6672
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
02:42:20 AM
Crystal Skull
by GutsSpill
Jul 30th, 2008
02:43:42 AM
Why the ending was a piece of crap
by Greggers
Jul 30th, 2008
02:46:32 AM
If the ending doesn't tell you that there's always hope
by palimpsest
Jul 30th, 2008
02:50:26 AM
Yeah but it was a *good* kick in the nuts!
by BenBraddock
Jul 30th, 2008
02:52:11 AM
Shawshank Redemption sucked too...
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
03:03:13 AM
Fuck the ending-
by Commander Rah
Jul 30th, 2008
03:08:16 AM
Terrible CGI
by godoffireinhell
Jul 30th, 2008
03:09:33 AM
the eding
by Bruarvatn
Jul 30th, 2008
03:10:31 AM
cgi
by Bruarvatn
Jul 30th, 2008
03:13:53 AM
I have no problem...
by depalma25
Jul 30th, 2008
03:31:10 AM
Rupee88
by depalma25
Jul 30th, 2008
03:38:08 AM
Didn't enjoy this at all.
by Shermdawg
Jul 30th, 2008
03:50:42 AM
Tom Cullen
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
03:52:03 AM
Loved the film until the ending...
by Zino
Jul 30th, 2008
03:52:36 AM
...continued...
by Shermdawg
Jul 30th, 2008
03:54:52 AM
the ending
by ragingdrunklove
Jul 30th, 2008
03:58:12 AM
the ending is simply...
by cifra
Jul 30th, 2008
04:01:34 AM
The Mist is an annoying movie
by futureman3000
Jul 30th, 2008
04:07:15 AM
bacci40
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
04:11:02 AM
would lot ever give over about 9/11 ffs
by bongo123
Jul 30th, 2008
04:11:26 AM
Anyways i loved the ending, horrors should
by bongo123
Jul 30th, 2008
04:13:52 AM
Best film of last year
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 30th, 2008
04:15:11 AM
Oh
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 30th, 2008
04:17:36 AM
why i hated the mist ending
by hank quinlan
Jul 30th, 2008
04:30:39 AM
I'm surprised how divided everyone is
by nascentia
Jul 30th, 2008
04:33:09 AM
yeh loved it, kiss my ass hater mofo's
by quantize
Jul 30th, 2008
04:40:03 AM
I thought Solaris was an awesome movie...
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
04:40:37 AM
Although the beginning seems contrived
by thetwat
Jul 30th, 2008
04:41:27 AM
Superb
by cyberelf420
Jul 30th, 2008
04:55:59 AM
Do Worry, Don't Be Happy
by Iowa Snot Client
Jul 30th, 2008
04:57:18 AM
I don't get it...
by Samplelord
Jul 30th, 2008
04:57:59 AM
Ending was bad cause it just didn't make sense...........
by Riley Martin
Jul 30th, 2008
05:07:33 AM
It's pretty condescending
by InspectorDoppler
Jul 30th, 2008
05:21:04 AM
the ending was a repitition of the movie
by s0nicdeathmonkey
Jul 30th, 2008
05:22:05 AM
I liked The Mist, but, yeah, the ending was...
by fiester
Jul 30th, 2008
05:25:32 AM
Not my cup of tea
by stvnhthr
Jul 30th, 2008
05:33:04 AM
The ending....
by Young Moses
Jul 30th, 2008
06:09:19 AM
No George Lucas questions?
by surfsup22
Jul 30th, 2008
06:16:14 AM
The Mist and Darabont
by D o o d
Jul 30th, 2008
06:33:40 AM
Hank Quinlan said it all...
by KillDozer
Jul 30th, 2008
06:49:08 AM
YackBacker
by D o o d
Jul 30th, 2008
06:49:11 AM
recently watched it
by Mr_X
Jul 30th, 2008
06:49:58 AM
Mr Beaks = AICN MVP for July
by PotSmokinAlien
Jul 30th, 2008
06:53:18 AM
Darabont's Indy script sucked ass!
by Atticus Finch
Jul 30th, 2008
07:06:02 AM
The book was much better IMO for all the reasons above ...
by Shan
Jul 30th, 2008
07:07:09 AM
Loved The Mist.
by Knuckleduster
Jul 30th, 2008
07:17:23 AM
Eyes Wide Shut
by Cory849
Jul 30th, 2008
07:43:19 AM
Hank Quinlan: EXACTLY.
by Duck of Death
Jul 30th, 2008
07:53:07 AM
The only question Eyes Wide Shut raised...
by rev_skarekroe
Jul 30th, 2008
08:01:19 AM
The idiot characters wrecked it at the outset
by aboriginal
Jul 30th, 2008
08:01:42 AM
Crappy CGI...
by Kid Z
Jul 30th, 2008
08:04:08 AM
As for The Mist...
by rev_skarekroe
Jul 30th, 2008
08:06:22 AM
the MEHst
by ironic_name
Jul 30th, 2008
08:09:26 AM
Mr. Beaks and 9/11
by BobParr
Jul 30th, 2008
08:12:26 AM
Great fucking ending
by dr sauch
Jul 30th, 2008
08:27:40 AM
The Mist is a MASTERPIECE
by Sithdan
Jul 30th, 2008
08:28:20 AM
Why the ending sucked
by Funketeer
Jul 30th, 2008
08:45:51 AM
I'll have to watch it again...
by dengreg31
Jul 30th, 2008
08:58:51 AM
I thought the CGI was ok...
by rev_skarekroe
Jul 30th, 2008
09:08:45 AM
LOVED The Mist.
by HoboCode
Jul 30th, 2008
09:10:41 AM
my take on the ending
by robamenta
Jul 30th, 2008
09:13:09 AM
robamenta
by shodan6672
Jul 30th, 2008
09:40:08 AM
THE MIST was a HUGE MISS...
by hollywoodsummers
Jul 30th, 2008
09:43:57 AM

by shodan6672
Jul 30th, 2008
09:43:58 AM
I can't wait for The Long Walk
by robertkent.net
Jul 30th, 2008
09:44:48 AM
Tom Cullen: Religious Nutbags
by kevinwillis.net
Jul 30th, 2008
09:54:38 AM
BTW, Haven't Seen the Mist
by kevinwillis.net
Jul 30th, 2008
09:56:23 AM
The film's ending is contrived and makes no sense
by Lovecraftfan
Jul 30th, 2008
09:59:20 AM
It made no sense, dammit!
by Isopor
Jul 30th, 2008
10:08:01 AM
BTW, King May Have Liked The Mist
by kevinwillis.net
Jul 30th, 2008
10:08:19 AM
Riley Martin...
by -guyinthebackrow
Jul 30th, 2008
10:10:48 AM
The Mist was ass
by Thot
Jul 30th, 2008
10:23:22 AM
Oh lucky you, talking with Darabont
by Aeghast
Jul 30th, 2008
10:51:15 AM
MIST IST MIST
by Sir Perior
Jul 30th, 2008
10:51:34 AM
Thanks Beaks
by Super Rabbi
Jul 30th, 2008
11:22:22 AM
The only distractingly bad CGI in The Mist...
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jul 30th, 2008
11:36:31 AM
I think Rupee 88 is the BIGGEST idiot in the world
by Ghostwood
Jul 30th, 2008
11:50:32 AM
Rupee88 is a tool
by Eyegore
Jul 30th, 2008
11:57:18 AM
Rupee88 is a frakin moron!!!
by Crackles
Jul 30th, 2008
12:17:38 PM

by nefarius1
Jul 30th, 2008
12:27:33 PM
Bad Planet
by Hikaru Ichijo
Jul 30th, 2008
12:58:51 PM
The ending was indeed INARGUABLY out of character for jane
by IndustryKiller!
Jul 30th, 2008
01:15:32 PM
Eyes Wide Shut is HILARIOUS!
by fiester
Jul 30th, 2008
01:36:07 PM
The Mist Ending.
by fiester
Jul 30th, 2008
01:41:01 PM
Ok let me get this straight...
by yiannis
Jul 30th, 2008
01:48:32 PM
Nihilism for Nihilism's Sake
by The Alienist
Jul 30th, 2008
02:14:55 PM
9/11? Really?
by König Lear
Jul 30th, 2008
02:18:12 PM
sooooo tired of "soap-box" movies.
by TooWhippy
Jul 30th, 2008
02:24:26 PM
Greatest Horror Movie in recent years
by bee152
Jul 30th, 2008
02:54:18 PM
Thought the kid was good as Gordon's son in TDK
by Andyrooskie
Jul 30th, 2008
03:07:24 PM
The Alienist
by HoboCode
Jul 30th, 2008
03:30:45 PM
Piece of Crap
by kbass
Jul 30th, 2008
04:22:44 PM
9/11
by mrbeaks
Jul 30th, 2008
04:24:00 PM
Jeremy Smith top 15 list sucks ass
by ArmySmithaz
Jul 30th, 2008
04:43:10 PM
not enought sex
by chipps
Jul 30th, 2008
04:51:34 PM
Sorta Okay...
by symon
Jul 30th, 2008
04:57:16 PM
Kinda sucked.
by 18to88
Jul 30th, 2008
05:09:41 PM
Industrykiller!
by -guyinthebackrow
Jul 30th, 2008
05:11:03 PM
The Ending made PERFECT sense.
by ZeroCorpse
Jul 30th, 2008
05:12:24 PM
no bathroom facilities?!?!!!!
by chipps
Jul 30th, 2008
05:14:03 PM
Yes. Nowhere to shit or piss.
by ZeroCorpse
Jul 30th, 2008
05:31:49 PM
There's a reason that most people think this movie is shit
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
05:39:50 PM
And for the record, I probably watched at least 30-45 minutes of
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
05:44:07 PM
Oh Rupee......
by Crackles
Jul 30th, 2008
05:51:32 PM
"reasonable characters taking opposing viewpoints"
by zooch
Jul 30th, 2008
06:04:06 PM
shocking for shock sake..perhaps
by zooch
Jul 30th, 2008
06:25:23 PM
I actually thought his ending would go for AWE...
by Anti-fanboy
Jul 30th, 2008
06:26:05 PM
Rupee88
by Gwai Lo
Jul 30th, 2008
07:00:11 PM
The ending sucked ass. Plain and simple.
by Chrighton
Jul 30th, 2008
07:11:52 PM
"It must be reckoned with"
by Geekgasm
Jul 30th, 2008
07:17:14 PM
Geekgasm
by PotSmokinAlien
Jul 30th, 2008
07:29:55 PM
Oh, for fuck's sakes....
by futureboymaddog
Jul 30th, 2008
07:44:15 PM
Don't Usually Talkback, but...
by Doug Exeter
Jul 30th, 2008
08:11:28 PM
The reason it failed was shitty marketing
by rjcjr9
Jul 30th, 2008
08:33:36 PM
I loved it
by dirtsandwich
Jul 30th, 2008
08:54:59 PM
Fun flick, very insulting ending...
by Billyeveryteen
Jul 30th, 2008
08:58:00 PM
90% of the people in this TB agree with me
by Rupee88
Jul 30th, 2008
09:08:37 PM
The ending
by Cory849
Jul 30th, 2008
09:10:58 PM
"Pan's Labyrinth" is an apt comparison...
by D. Allusion
Jul 30th, 2008
09:20:36 PM
Re: Beaks and 9/11
by BobParr
Jul 30th, 2008
09:24:44 PM
Its called TONE, Hobocode
by The Alienist
Jul 30th, 2008
09:28:23 PM
90% of the people in this talkback are whiny little bitches!
by Crackles
Jul 30th, 2008
09:31:07 PM
Plus......
by Crackles
Jul 30th, 2008
09:34:28 PM

by nefarius1
Jul 30th, 2008
09:40:20 PM
The mist DIDN'T dissapate at the end...
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jul 30th, 2008
10:17:43 PM
This movie didn't suck because it had a dark ending...
by KillDozer
Jul 30th, 2008
10:32:19 PM
Ending = Keep hope alive? Really?
by Greggers
Jul 30th, 2008
10:46:32 PM
just because
by chipps
Jul 30th, 2008
11:07:58 PM
The ending sucked
by criticalbliss
Jul 30th, 2008
11:35:12 PM
D.Vader
by Rupee88
Jul 31st, 2008
12:28:08 AM
I loved The Mist
by krushjudgement
Jul 31st, 2008
01:19:56 AM
The Mist is one of the worst movies of the decade
by darthvedder81
Jul 31st, 2008
02:47:07 AM
MIST was awesome
by killianx
Jul 31st, 2008
04:24:29 AM
That "keep hope alive" stuff was mine
by palimpsest
Jul 31st, 2008
04:55:10 AM
The ending was awesome! The crazy church lady was RIGHT!
by fireclown
Jul 31st, 2008
07:00:08 AM
why doesnt Darabont shut the fuck up about thsi movie?
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Jul 31st, 2008
11:05:02 AM
Mebbe he believes in it.
by palimpsest
Jul 31st, 2008
12:10:40 PM
What's his next project?
by mrfan
Jul 31st, 2008
12:22:57 PM
I haven't got a problem with the movie at all
by palimpsest
Jul 31st, 2008
01:17:56 PM
Fascism has many faces.
by angel_svn
Jul 31st, 2008
02:15:39 PM
RILEY MARTIN...
by SG Xibalba
Jul 31st, 2008
03:22:07 PM
My Take On THAT Ending
by SG Xibalba
Jul 31st, 2008
03:23:35 PM
One of those movies........
by u.k. star
Jul 31st, 2008
05:28:08 PM
Kind of reminded me of Mamma Mia
by skani
Jul 31st, 2008
09:37:44 PM
...because
by skani
Jul 31st, 2008
10:03:30 PM
bacci40
by angel_svn
Aug 1st, 2008
09:17:13 AM
The ending and this film was brilliant
by BrightEyes
Aug 1st, 2008
11:50:25 PM
Best Horror ending in YEARS!!!!
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYan ks
Aug 6th, 2008
08:47:33 AM
Nasty In The Pasty is right.
by Fawst
Aug 11th, 2008
09:40:53 AM
"Gerry" anyone?
by norler
Aug 18th, 2008
12:14:43 PM
Ran across this...
by Dosomo
Sep 10th, 2008
03:37:51 PM

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