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Quint saw Tony Kaye's epic abortion movie, LAKE OF FIRE, at the Santa Barbara Film Festival!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I've dragged some ass post Sundance. I've been attending the Santa Barbara Film Festival and seeing a decent amount of flicks, but any free time I've had I spent either catching up on Sundance reports or sleeping or finding old New Zealand friends on MySpace (hi Julia). You know, important things.

So, I've got a fair amount of guilt about dodging the SBIFF coverage, but I'm here to shovel some coal and get the review train rolling. And what a way to start.

By far, my favorite film I've seen at the Santa Barbara Film Festival is Tony Kaye's epic documentary, LAKE OF FIRE. And it's one that by all means could have not worked out for me.

One, it's an abortion documentary. Two, it's a three hour long abortion documentary. Three, it's a three hour long black and white abortion documentary.

However, I was engrossed the whole time, the documentary flying by. This is helped by Tony Kaye's stance. He is completely neutral the whole time, showing both sides in extremely good light and pathetically bad light.

Our first glimpses of the pro-choice camp are them protesting the pro-life protesters at an abortion clinic and they are so damn annoying. They act like 5 year olds, mimicking the leader of the pro-life crowd. Yet the pro-life crowd has ten-fold more crazy people and flat out cold-blooded murderers in their ranks, including one amazingly entertaining, yet incredibly frightening preacher that recounts literal stories (in his mind) of women who got abortions carrying out the fresh fetus from the abortion clinic, parading it in front of the anti-abortion protesters, pulling out a grill, throwing the fetus on that grill, cooking it and eating it in front of the shocked anti-abortionists.

My own personal politics and views were challenged, strengthened and every step in-between.

There's some harsh shit in this movie, graphic, yet sterile, footage of the abortion process, from consultation to execution of the procedure. There are some flat out revolting shots of the doctors sifting through the contents of the vacuum, making sure there aren't any pieces left in the mother's womb. The little baby parts, recognizable hands, feet, faces...

I can see the religious right getting behind this movie and using it as a tool to gain support, but I can also see the pro-choice movement using it for those exact same purposes. For every graphic shot of a doctor measuring a severed baby's foot, there's footage or stills of a murdered doctor and the complete lack of disapproval by the pro-life movement. In fact, not just the lack of disapproval, but a definite approval of their murders and the support of others in the future doing the same.

The debate in all its forms is shown. The best speaker, by far, is Noam Chomsky, famous author and linguist. He dissects both sides succinctly and intelligently describes the conundrum of this argument. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. You'd think that is just non-committal BS, but he goes into great detail on how that is not only possible, but you'll find it hard to disagree with him at all.

The film is amazing, eye-opening, heart-wrenching, funny, scary, sad... It is the end all be all of the debate, every single issue covered. You might not change your mind at the end of this movie, but you'll have a broader understanding of the argument.

I know Tony Kaye still considers this a work in progress, but I think it's as powerful as it can ever be. Roger Durling, head honcho of the Santa Barbara Fest, seemed to believe ThinkFilm was going to release the movie, but that hasn't been confirmed yet. If released, it'll cause quite the stir, but as I said before I don't think the uproar is going to be as crazy as some people think. I firmly believe both sides of the argument will embrace this movie. Whenever it is released.

-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com



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Yeah I'm sure
by gboybama
Feb 2nd, 2007
04:51:02 PM
DEAD FETUSES (sp?) GOTTA EAT AND ARE THIS YEAR'S LMS
by Err
Feb 2nd, 2007
04:56:19 PM
GOTTA EAT DEAD FETUSES
by Zarles
Feb 2nd, 2007
05:23:42 PM
Noam Chomsky admires Hugo Chavez. 'Nuff said.
by Pound Sand
Feb 2nd, 2007
05:23:48 PM
Yeah what is with this whole "abortion" thing...
by BGDAWES
Feb 2nd, 2007
05:36:24 PM
bring on that "road-kill used in processed food" doco
by Amy Chasing
Feb 2nd, 2007
05:50:41 PM
Abortion
by JohnRevik
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:11:28 PM
Fuck DUDE!
by halcyonseven
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:15:23 PM
ABORTED CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN!!!
by PwnedByStallone
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:24:37 PM
JohnRevik
by PwnedByStallone
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:28:51 PM
Pure and simple
by covenant
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:47:19 PM
I shudder to think where this talkback is going.
by IndustryKiller!
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:55:05 PM
The whole reassembling the fetus thing...
by Garbageman33
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:57:31 PM
Pwnedstallone
by JohnRevik
Feb 2nd, 2007
06:58:47 PM
Pure and simple?
by Amy Chasing
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:08:08 PM
Abortion = murder? then a condom facillitates genocide
by Err
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:15:24 PM
Maybe everyone should just mind their own business
by CarmillaVonDoom
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:24:56 PM
Daddylonghead you rule
by CarmillaVonDoom
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:28:40 PM
I would be impressed if it shook my beliefs.
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:28:53 PM
And anybody who calls Chomsky "stupid"
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:31:53 PM
We're in Iraq to protect the unborn Iraqi babies
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:45:23 PM
Daddylonghead
by BGDAWES
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:50:14 PM
Daddylonghead...
by ryanislyin
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:52:26 PM
ryanislyin
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:52:28 PM
I ain't no fucking liberal, T 1000
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
07:56:09 PM
crazy defensive liberals
by T 1000 xp professional
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:03:20 PM
fwiw I think coolguyaaron has a good point
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:09:32 PM
Completely misrepresents the debate
by coolguyaaron
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:13:29 PM
everyone is Pro-Life.
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:25:20 PM
'Think the word...
by JohnRevik
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:26:24 PM
I'd love to see the statistics of murder abortion docs.
by Optimus Murphy
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:31:36 PM
Johnrevik, you incurable optimist
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:33:31 PM
Well optimusmurphy
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:35:29 PM
wow, someone agrees with me
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:49:34 PM
DLH
by JohnRevik
Feb 2nd, 2007
08:56:20 PM
reminds of mr show line
by luckylindy
Feb 2nd, 2007
09:18:17 PM
Back to the subject at hand
by T 1000 xp professional
Feb 2nd, 2007
09:27:20 PM
That's the question, T1000
by theBigE
Feb 2nd, 2007
09:40:16 PM
HypeEndsHere
by theBigE
Feb 2nd, 2007
09:44:13 PM
'Pro-life movement' doesn't condemn murder?
by KCMOSHer
Feb 2nd, 2007
09:56:54 PM
.
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 2nd, 2007
10:04:42 PM
www.abirdandabottle.com
by bjork
Feb 2nd, 2007
10:16:54 PM
Im not clear on how you plan to get rid of abortion
by IndustryKiller!
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:07:33 PM
Daddylonghead
by Sir Loin
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:09:56 PM
DirkBelig, what's "ManBearPig"?
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:10:42 PM
Sir Loin, do you know ANYTHING about Chomsky?
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:16:54 PM
How many are pro-abortion just because it'll piss off..
by DirkBelig
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:17:15 PM
Daddylonghead
by Sir Loin
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:23:08 PM
Ha ha ha, Sir Loin, you are well-programmed.
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:36:05 PM
The third reason to have a baby is...
by Zarles
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:42:18 PM
I SUPPORT THE REGRESSIVE PARTY
by Cylon Agent
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:42:27 PM
Daddylonghead
by Sir Loin
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:45:26 PM
Logical error?
by Thing-Fish
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:45:30 PM
Thing-fish, I am strongly anti-colonscopy.
by Daddylonghead
Feb 2nd, 2007
11:46:13 PM
Sir Loin, fierce defender of the down-syndrome fetus.
by Daddylonghead
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:03:02 AM
Dead Fetuses as alternative fuel source
by Dr Gregory House
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:09:15 AM
Hey Sir Loin
by Daddylonghead
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:13:58 AM
Daddylonghead
by Sir Loin
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:26:05 AM
Is WoW when your mom paints a "W" on each asscheek
by Daddylonghead
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:29:01 AM
Pizzaguy says, "Best point so far: coolguyaaron."
by thebearovingian
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:34:58 AM
tony kaye isn't mentioned once in this talkback
by troutpencil
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:49:46 AM
any of you guys women?
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
01:49:13 AM
My hometown was ground-zero for the media
by CreasyBear
Feb 3rd, 2007
08:14:15 AM
Hitler
by JohnRevik
Feb 3rd, 2007
08:29:21 AM
good one, john revik.
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 3rd, 2007
09:06:31 AM
Abortions for some, but not for others
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Feb 3rd, 2007
09:20:57 AM
Once Hitler shows up, the debate has jumped the shark.
by Daddylonghead
Feb 3rd, 2007
09:23:51 AM
theBigE
by I Hope You Die
Feb 3rd, 2007
09:26:37 AM
"Neural development is the only viable point where..."
by HypeEndsHere
Feb 3rd, 2007
09:34:30 AM
I Hope You Die. Correct answer, thank you
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Feb 3rd, 2007
09:53:29 AM
tough shit, rant.
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
10:01:21 AM
Let's just roll this TB in with the Roman Polanski one
by tonagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
10:02:54 AM
Republicans love bringing up Hitler.
by Zarles
Feb 3rd, 2007
10:18:41 AM
I hope...
by Massage...Bored
Feb 3rd, 2007
10:30:03 AM
don't fret, massage.
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
10:31:22 AM
ALEXANDER?
by Leafy McPlantsalot
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:05:55 PM
HypeEndsHere
by I Hope You Die
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:13:33 PM
There is some dishonesty in this film...
by Dagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
12:35:25 PM
God, there are so many idiots in this talkback
by omarthesnake
Feb 3rd, 2007
02:24:14 PM
and dagan, you perfect example you...
by omarthesnake
Feb 3rd, 2007
02:28:21 PM
Abortion isnt murder.
by Omegaman
Feb 3rd, 2007
02:51:46 PM
"An actual human being" - let's work this out...
by Dagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:01:24 PM
A baby is a person with rights... "only at birth"
by Dagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:05:14 PM
Chavez and rule by decree
by Trader Groucho 2
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:12:36 PM
The other argument that doesn't work - "when viable"..
by Dagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:13:15 PM
bravo, omar.
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:20:50 PM
Why conception is the only standard that makes sense...
by Dagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:22:59 PM
oh, and one more thing...
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:23:35 PM
Our legal definition isn't cncptn, vblity, or birth...
by Dagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
03:40:55 PM
Think I'll skip this one.
by Tinfang
Feb 3rd, 2007
04:39:00 PM
oh please
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
04:48:56 PM
No I haven't occula.
by Tinfang
Feb 3rd, 2007
05:06:55 PM
Occula
by Dagan
Feb 3rd, 2007
05:15:14 PM
sorry dagan.
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
05:51:06 PM
What pro-choicers should do
by theBigE
Feb 3rd, 2007
06:43:36 PM
big e...you are so right.
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
07:15:45 PM
This sounds entirely intellectually dishonest...
by JayDubya
Feb 3rd, 2007
07:34:49 PM
THE FILM IS NOT BEING DISHONEST.
by Cameron1
Feb 3rd, 2007
08:08:34 PM
OCCULA
by Leafy McPlantsalot
Feb 3rd, 2007
08:18:22 PM
occula
by coolguyaaron
Feb 3rd, 2007
08:39:16 PM
How Can You Be Pro War But Anti Abortion?
by pockybot
Feb 3rd, 2007
10:40:26 PM
As Far As Gnome Chompsky...
by pockybot
Feb 3rd, 2007
10:42:56 PM
pockybot
by Sir Loin
Feb 3rd, 2007
11:22:13 PM
been readin for years, first time i felt need to reply
by jarjarsdeathrattle
Feb 3rd, 2007
11:42:51 PM
*sigh*
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
11:44:42 PM
aaand...
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
11:45:56 PM
oops
by occula
Feb 3rd, 2007
11:48:42 PM
And I have to say that overall
by jarjarsdeathrattle
Feb 3rd, 2007
11:52:54 PM
they were gonna be. supposedly.
by jarjarsdeathrattle
Feb 3rd, 2007
11:54:59 PM
i'm sorry occula
by T 1000 xp professional
Feb 4th, 2007
02:30:53 AM
You Yanks are funny with your crazy abortion debates.
by Grando
Feb 4th, 2007
03:03:55 AM
Yes, Well Said Dagan
by PhillipMarlowe
Feb 4th, 2007
03:04:02 AM
Grando, you on the other hand
by PhillipMarlowe
Feb 4th, 2007
03:04:43 AM
Imagining Europe without abortion
by JackieJokeman
Feb 4th, 2007
10:18:12 AM
I'll agree with occula et al.
by Daddylonghead
Feb 4th, 2007
10:47:36 AM
Muslims taking over Europe?
by Daddylonghead
Feb 4th, 2007
10:56:17 AM
Roe v. Wade
by ChildOfMen
Feb 4th, 2007
11:00:55 AM
Explain how...
by runfoodrun
Feb 4th, 2007
11:38:38 AM
wow how stubborn
by T 1000 xp professional
Feb 4th, 2007
11:43:48 AM
Thank you runfood
by T 1000 xp professional
Feb 4th, 2007
11:48:18 AM
ChildOfMen: Agreed
by Bob X
Feb 4th, 2007
12:23:13 PM
As a friend...
by AngelCordy
Feb 4th, 2007
01:47:03 PM
points appreciated!
by occula
Feb 4th, 2007
02:40:49 PM
*another sigh*
by occula
Feb 4th, 2007
02:47:49 PM
Daddylonghead
by JackieJokeman
Feb 4th, 2007
03:02:30 PM
Good Point occula
by runfoodrun
Feb 4th, 2007
03:10:02 PM
Roe v Wade
by majorbobhooters
Feb 4th, 2007
03:26:00 PM
Freakonomics is the new Bell Curve
by JackieJokeman
Feb 4th, 2007
03:32:16 PM
You know what's funny?
by OBSD
Feb 4th, 2007
04:30:12 PM
TOO SOON
by Pageiv
Feb 4th, 2007
04:51:44 PM
ANNOYING TALK BACKERS GOTTA EAT
by mattthebat
Feb 4th, 2007
07:32:22 PM
ABORTED FETUSES GOTTA EAT!!!!!!
by BigTuna
Feb 4th, 2007
07:34:58 PM
ChildofMen: A Rebuttal
by JayDubya
Feb 4th, 2007
09:30:40 PM
The debate on abortion isn't whether it is wrong.
by one9deuce
Feb 5th, 2007
12:00:31 AM
pro life meat eating fucks
by iorek
Feb 5th, 2007
04:43:05 AM
and another thing...
by iorek
Feb 5th, 2007
04:48:14 AM
iorek... I thought you people were a myth...
by ejcarter9
Feb 5th, 2007
08:11:00 AM
ejcarter9: just out of curiosity
by Bob X
Feb 5th, 2007
08:43:39 AM
Choice and Consequence
by blackwood
Feb 5th, 2007
08:47:23 AM
Yeah, Hugo Chavez is a horrible guy...
by Batutta
Feb 5th, 2007
08:52:50 AM
Bob X, I refer you to this...
by ejcarter9
Feb 5th, 2007
09:30:09 AM
most of america holds those
by iorek
Feb 5th, 2007
09:40:00 AM
from EJcarter9 - "I'm
by iorek
Feb 5th, 2007
09:46:12 AM
iorek: you had me at "hello"
by Bob X
Feb 5th, 2007
10:51:55 AM
What's to discuss?
by PwnedByStallone
Feb 5th, 2007
12:03:30 PM
AAAHHHHH AAAAAAHHHHH AAAHHHH!
by ELGordo
Feb 5th, 2007
12:26:20 PM
I just got off the phone with the CGI fetus...
by Forestal
Feb 5th, 2007
01:32:39 PM
I found this particularly interesting:
by Childe Roland
Feb 5th, 2007
01:34:06 PM
Iorek,
by King_Midas
Feb 5th, 2007
01:59:43 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
by occula
Feb 5th, 2007
04:58:09 PM
The back alley abortion has become a bit passe.
by Childe Roland
Feb 5th, 2007
05:15:36 PM
Childe Roland
by one9deuce
Feb 5th, 2007
07:00:06 PM
Ideally
by Novaman5000
Feb 5th, 2007
07:21:14 PM
They have actually found correlations
by Novaman5000
Feb 5th, 2007
07:23:55 PM
one9duece,
by Novaman5000
Feb 5th, 2007
07:28:34 PM
Iron Chef 2027
by brakula
Feb 5th, 2007
09:01:54 PM
We are not becoming a theocracy
by PhillipMarlowe
Feb 5th, 2007
10:04:34 PM
JRKerr: Are you on crack?
by PhillipMarlowe
Feb 5th, 2007
11:08:49 PM
anything with the words "epic" and "abortion"
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Feb 6th, 2007
12:15:46 AM
Will you marry me, Daddylonghead?
by Manatee
Feb 6th, 2007
01:09:19 AM
fair and balance view? no way
by stvnhthr
Feb 6th, 2007
08:59:54 AM
This has only happened three times, it is not common.
by stvnhthr
Feb 6th, 2007
09:04:21 AM
facts slightly off
by stvnhthr
Feb 6th, 2007
10:02:53 AM
one9deuce
by PwnedByStallone
Feb 6th, 2007
11:35:55 AM
Ahem
by J Skell
Feb 6th, 2007
02:30:42 PM
PwnedByStallone
by one9deuce
Feb 6th, 2007
03:17:53 PM
one9deuce
by PwnedByStallone
Feb 6th, 2007
05:17:53 PM
Just curious
by rivercb
Feb 7th, 2007
04:38:38 AM
Nevermind, Dagan had actually answered that earlier
by rivercb
Feb 7th, 2007
05:00:10 AM
on personal decisions & what women do with their bodies
by God Shamgodd
Feb 7th, 2007
08:08:05 PM
The most ridiculous idea in this review...
by readingwriter
Feb 9th, 2007
02:37:52 AM
any of you guys women? no, then...
by readingwriter
Feb 9th, 2007
02:40:45 AM
And thus this talkback resolves the abortion debate...
by PurityOfEssence
Feb 9th, 2007
02:41:37 AM
About the bs about pro-lifers not being against murder
by readingwriter
Feb 9th, 2007
02:42:20 AM
God Shamgodd and readingwriter
by one9deuce
Feb 9th, 2007
03:41:48 PM
Skimmed through the talkback...
by Johnno
Feb 9th, 2007
06:34:09 PM
Johnno
by ELGordo
Feb 10th, 2007
08:11:03 AM

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