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Published on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 8:24am |
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AICN COMICS REVIEWS ULTIMATE SPIDEY! Warren Ellis' DOWN! INDIE JONES! AND MORE!!!!
The Pull List (Click title to go directly to the review)
ULTIMATE EXTINCTION TPB
INCREDIBLE HULK #97
DOWN TPB
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #98
SECRET SIX #3
Indie Jones presents…
CHEAP SHOTS!
Tales From the Crevice: Alan Moore’s WildCATS
ULTIMATE EXTINCTION TPB
Writer: Warren Ellis
Artist: Brandon Peterson
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Baytor
“Doubtless, a lot of old readers will hate the Ultimate take on the Galactus/Surfer stories. My only consolation is that most of those people are now too aged to harm me in any serious way.” – Warren Ellis
I love that Warren Ellis is running amok in super-hero universes. Far too often, the guys writing super-hero comics are serious fans, and serious fans, well, they often don’t have the capacity to realize that some of the concepts they’re working with are kinda stupid. In point of fact, the entire Marvel Universe was co-created by a man who didn’t think much of what came before and took a sledgehammer to established concepts like kid sidekicks and the infallible hero and crafted something that no one had seen before. We call him Stan Lee and he is one of our Comic Gods.
Forty years later, we get Warren Ellis and despite his insistence that he hates super-heroes, he’s got that beautiful mercenary spirit that forces him to go in there and do a good job no matter what he thinks of the source material. Okay, sure, he’s going to point and laugh a fair bit, but if these things can’t take a bit of mean-spirited humor from a misanthropic Englishman, then they’re far too fragile to have any right to exist and we may as well just relegate the long-underwear crowd to the dustbin of history. Thankfully, they’re made of tougher stuff than that.
Which gets us to ULTIMATE EXTINCTION, which bears only the most superficial resemblance to Stan & Jack’s story from four decades back, and that, I think, is the right way to do it, because what’s the point of remaking the story if you’re not going to make the thing your own? Another more “respectful” writer might have prided themselves on keeping as much as possible, but given the set-up of the Ultimate Universe, a big guy wearing a weird hat and a purple toga is going to be seriously out of place…and unless you’re aiming for comedy, it’s probably not something you’d want to introduce to today’s comic readers, who are far too sophisticated for that sort of thing unless they remember it from the comics they read a child.
Yes, I’m rolling my eyes as I type that.
The run-down for those who aren’t already interested is that a big bad alien is coming to kill us and use our planet for fuel to go to the next inhabited planet and do the same to them, and it’s up to the combined resources of the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and the Ultimates to make sure this doesn’t happen. As you can imagine there’s a lot of characters running around, but the main focus is only on a handful so things tend not to get too confusing. If you’re a complete Marvel newbie, you might have a bit of trouble keeping some of the names straight, but anyone with the most basic knowledge of the main Marvel heroes will have little trouble navigating this story. While there’re two other books in this trilogy, there’s only the tiniest bit of past knowledge you need to brush up on, most of which just explains how they got the information and technology they’re using in this story. I was never too clear why there were a bunch of clones of a bald tattooed chick running around, apart from they needed a big action sequence for the Captain Americas and Wolverines to do something while the Big Brains did the heavy lifting, but I didn’t mind too much.
The plotting, as you would expect from an Ellis book, is on the slow side, taking a bit of time to let the characters be a bit more than just plot-holders, letting them get in a few amusing character bits without bogging down the plot too much. He lets the artist, the talented Brandon Peterson, do a lot of the talking, so it’s a fairly quick read. A more frugal scripter could probably cut this down to three issues without rushing the plot, but Ellis lets the story be BIG without crowding every panel with “something happening”. I recall this being a tad annoying when I read it monthly, but reading it all in one sitting, the whole thing unrolls like any good piece of fiction.
Another thing I think Ellis is smart enough to realize that the super-hero genre is a bit of a null genre, being only as interesting as the genre that fills it. There’s been a tendency over the years to extract this content out and replace the mad scientists and would-be world conquerors with bad guys in tights that exist for little more than beating up and getting beaten up by our similarly clad heroes, and filling the void with soap opera…lots of soap opera. Ellis shoves a white-hot dose of straight science fiction into the super-hero candy-coated shell and emerges with something that’s a hell of a lot more interesting and fun than watching the Fantastic Four wale on Doctor Doom for the billionth time.
This is a good plot, entertaining character interactions, and a good number of explosions. This is the fun stuff that makes me rethink my drift away from the super-hero genre the last several years. I just wish there was a lot more of this stuff out there.
INCREDIBLE HULK #97
Writer: Greg Pak
Artists: Aaron Lopresti (pencils), Danny Miki (inks)
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Ambush Bug
Ok, I’ve been following this story arc from the beginning, commented on the appearance of the Silver Surfer a few issues back in a Cheap Shot, and took some time to really mull over what’s been going on in the HULK title for the last few months and I think I’m finally ready to throw out my two cents and 800 words about it all. In a nutshell, this “Planet Hulk” storyline isn’t awful, but there are some serious flaws that the whole thing suffers from. Let’s start out with the positive though.
First and foremost, I can appreciate the ballsy path the storyline is taking. This is a tried and true action yarn that reaches for epic proportions and succeeds in some aspect. You have the Hulk exiled from Earth by the Illuminati and sent to a peaceful, uninhabited planet where he can cause no more destruction and possibly death (depending on whether you are talking to Bendis or Dan Slott). Somewhere along the way, the Hulk’s spaceship gets sidetracked and he ends up on a world better suited for John Carter or Conan. It’s a primitive world where slavery, royalty, and the gladiatorial ring are still in existence. It’s a world where technology of the future meets the barbaric customs of the past. The planet is a Mos Eisley-like place where all sorts of vile aliens come to fight, live, and rule. The Hulk, who proves his iconic status by being able to stand out as his own character no matter what situation a writer puts him in, actually kind of likes this place. He gets to let loose with some of his anger occasionally in the gladiator ring and has become honor bound to a group of aliens who have survived and escaped slavery in the gladiator pits as well. It’s nice to see this side of the Hulk. He’s found a kinship among these characters who have had to fight to survive. Remember that line from SIN CITY when they’re describing Marv—that he was a man born too late and better suited to be living in a time of gladiators and warriors? Well, that’s the Hulk in this story. He’s finally in a place that makes sense to him and with people who actually understand what he’s been going through on Earth all of this time. It’s nice to see the Hulk almost content with his situation, going with the flow, and not focusing on the eventual @$$-kicking he’s going to give the Illuminati when he finally does get back to Earth. In issue #97, the Hulk takes the role of a freedom fighter, freeing those enslaved (including a dinosaur-like beast with a toothy maw) and rising up against a tyrannical empire. It’s the type of action that wouldn’t be accepted on Earth, but on this planet and in this situation the Hulk can truly be seen not as a monster, but as a hero. The situation the Hulk is in and the setup are nice ones that highlight the Hulk’s character and present him with a problem that he has yet to encounter. The writers are doing something new with the character and that’s a welcome sight in my book.
But there are problems with this series--the main one being the absence of something that has been a constant in almost every Hulk book since its inception.
There’s no Banner.
Bruce Banner, the Hulk’s alter ego, is nowhere to be found in this story, and that’s too bad. It’d be interesting to see how his fellow warriors would react to this fierce warrior if they knew that beneath all of those muscles lies a frail scientist. It’s one of those lost story potentials that really bothers me as I read through each chapter of this series. This book is just as much Bruce Banner’s story as it is the Hulk’s and to have the book ignore that fact looms over this book like a dark cloud every time I read it.
Apparently, the Hulk we have in this story arc is the “Smart@$$” Hulk that Peter David ended up with towards the end of his run. It’s supposed to be kind of an amalgamation of the mindless brute, the crafty Mr. Fixit, and frail yet brainy Banner himself. I think…though I’m not sure that’s the Hulk we have in this book and that’s the biggest problem with the Hulk since Peter David left all of those years ago.
Say what you will about Peter David’s extended take on the Hulk, but one thing he always did was give you a clear picture as to which Hulk you were dealing with in each story. He played around with all of the incarnations at one time or another and threw him into a boatload of offbeat situations, but when he did so, you knew which Hulk to expect. Since David left, there really has been no clear indicator as to which Hulk is in which story. Is it the mindless brute? No. Is Banner still even part of the equation in “Planet Hulk”’s Hulk? No clue. It’s nagging questions like these that have bogged down every story for the last few years to the point where I don’t even know if the writers know what Hulk they are writing themselves.
So although this is an interesting setup and a surprisingly detailed new situation presented in this story, the book itself lacks a sort of foundation to let the reader know the basics of the character. Taken solely as an adventure yarn, I guess the story is pretty decent, but if you’re going to use the Hulk and ignore the transformations and all of the stuff that goes with the character, you might as well be doing a Strong Guy or a Demolition Man story.
DOWN TPB
Writer: Warren Ellis
Artists: Tony Harris, Cully Hamner, Billy Tan, Brian Ching
Publisher: Image/Top Cow
Reviewer: Baytor
Back in the mid-80s, Arnold Schwarzenegger made this awful, mostly forgotten movie called RAW DEAL, which, for most of its run-time, was a fairly involving tale about Arnold infiltrating an organized crime family. Had it stayed the course, it might be remembered fairly fondly (despite some rather clumsy writing and poor acting from the lead), but it devolved into a typical run-and-gun Schwarzenegger flick in the final act and its fate was sealed.
DOWN is a lot like that. The first three chapters tell a rather brutal story of a cop going deep undercover to assassinate another undercover cop who has gone native, and to do so, she’s required to kill a lot of folks in order to gain her target’s trust. This is not something done lightly, and it’s clear from Ellis’ script and Hamner’s art that this is taking a considerable psychic toll on our heroine; but it goes along its path, not quite sure if the end justifies the means.
Then on the final page of the third chapter, the story collapses, as our heroine crosses a rather important line and starts acting contrary to her established nature. There’s an explanation of sorts, but things are happening at such a pace that the explanation doesn’t feel like something this character would do on the basis of a single encounter with her intended target. And if that twist isn’t enough, there’s another one (this one set up properly) that reverses it and leaves us with a deeply cynical conclusion.
Perhaps things would have been different had this story been its intended six issue length, as the first two chapters are very leisurely paced, while the final two are done in Ellis’ Pop Comic fast-paced mode. A couple of issues added to the middle of the third book probably would have given the characters some much needed time on-stage to cement their relationships with one another.
The second part of this TPB is a reprint of Ellis’ TALES OF THE WITCHBLADE story. It’s a murder mystery, set in the near future, when medical science has extended our lives indefinitely and murder is virtually unknown. After a gruesome double-homicide, the lead investigator calls on the Sexy Gloved One, as she’s the only person on the planet that has handled a murder case.
In many respects, it’s the more enjoyable of the two stories, as Ellis has a fondness for forensic detective shows such as CSI and QUINCY, and he demonstrates a good knowledge of the genre, as he takes us through the paces with the examination of the disfigured bodies and the almost magical discovery of evidence through pseudo-science, knowing that the real meat of the story is uncovering why this murder happened.
All-in-all, it’s a good story with a more satisfying conclusion than DOWN, although I rather dislike the lifeless pin-up art that is Top Cow’s house style.
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #98
Brian Michael Bendis: Writer
Mark Bagley: Artist
Marvel Comics: Publisher
Ben Reilly: The Real Vroom Socko
Say anything you like about Bendis (and trust me, I’ve said almost everything you can say about his work) but you have to admit the man has balls the size of Ohio. For the love of God, he’s retelling the Clone Saga. The fucking CLONE Saga! The story that was the bloated bane of my beloved 90’s, and the bald bastard is making it work. How does he do it?
Well okay, it’s not perfect. I mean, there’s a Waterworld reference in the first page. Talk about 90’s crap. But this issue does manage to buck convention, or at least the stereotypes folks like us @$$holes have built up around Bendis. So far in this Clone Saga for a New Generation we’ve had the usual Bendis conversation pieces, the same usual funny business, some heartfelt dialogue, one helluva fight, the shock of a lifetime, and a final page that chills. And I’m not just talking about the story so far; the last issue featured the same level of varied storytelling as this one, and each one is crammed to the gills with both plot and nuance. I’ve seen Bendis going on about how Dan Slott’s next book is one of the best things he’s ever seen. It could be that some of Slott’s better habits are rubbing off on the man. God help us all if these two ever co-wrote something together.
While the last issue featured a fight with Scorpion, the first of Peter’s clones, this issue had a tussle with Spider-Woman. We don’t see her face, but if Bendis’ words and Bagley’s body language are any indicator, this gal might be Spidey’s equivalent of X-23. Having said that, I really don’t think I’d mind seeing this new girl stick around. There’s something about her that works for me.
But it’s the shock at the end that’s got people talking. For the sake of the two of you who haven’t been spoiled yet (and the one who don’t recall the 70’s origins of the Clone Saga and haven’t put two and two together) I won’t reveal it here. But I will say that it involves my favorite supporting character in the book. I don’t know what Bendis has planned here. I don’t know if he’s going to follow the same beat as the original or what, but I do know that he’d better not fuck this part up. A thousand clones could descend for all I care, killing each other and leaving Spider-Woman the new protagonist of the book, just as long as this one character is handled properly. If not, I will hate Bendis forever.
Honestly though, I don’t see that happening. This story is Bendis doing what he does best. Hell, he’s doing the stuff he normally doesn’t do so great amazingly here too. We’re only one issue away from the big 100, and this title’s the best it’s been in a while. Don’t miss out on this one.
SECRET SIX #3 (of 6)
Writer: Gail Simone
Artists: Brad Walker, Jimmy Palmiotti
Publisher: DC Comics
Reviewer: Baytor
It’s always a joy to see DC converting one of their old titles into a super-hero book, because there simply aren’t enough of them on the shelves these days. The super-hero genre is one of the founding genres of the medium and their sad state of neglect is downright shameful. One can only hope that we’ll see more of these super-hero titles to help bring much needed diversity to our local comic shelves.
SECRET SIX is a book that just inspires this level of sarcasm in me. One quick glance through the issue will find a well-versed DC reader thinking so much of another title with the S.S. initials (one that was similarly converted a couple of decades back into a super-hero title) that you simply wonder why they didn’t call this book SUICIDE SQUAD. They both have the same basic set-up: a group of super-villains take on nigh-impossible missions around the world and both books have Deadshot in a leading role. Throughout the three issues to date, I’ve been waiting for The Wall to show up and start throwing her considerable weight around, because non-stop DCU references are what this book is all about.
I was a hardcore DCU fan about a decade back, and this book is striking two wrong notes on this front. First, I keep recognizing stuff from 10-20 years ago and I’m thinking “they’re still going on about that?” Second, I, with an impressive (albeit out-of-date) knowledge of the DCU, have only the vaguest clue who half these people are and Simone isn’t exactly laying out the characters in a clear way, cutting between costume and civilian identities several times an issue. This story seems to be intersecting with a lot of other storylines from the DCU, with even more being referenced in passing, and much of it isn’t being explained very well. Doctor Psycho wants to kill them for some reason or other and Vandal Savage is trying to kill his daughter’s girlfriend for some reason or other and they’re being dropped into some fight for some reason or other and now they’re about to fight the Doom Patrol for some reason or other.
Now, I’m being really unfair here, because if you pay close attention, you can figure out the reasons for most of these things, but the story never seems to emphasize the major points, so it’s drifting from scene to scene with only a quick line of dialogue (“Blake’s got a lead on them dames that shot me”) to mark the moment. But if you don’t know who the hell Vandal Savage is, then you’re out of luck, because there’s little to no attempt to explain who he is, apart from being the deranged father of one of the cast members.
Another thing that gets me down about this book is its attempts at humor and shock. I say “attempts” because the book never made me smile (despite several obvious attempts), nor made me flinch (despite a character slicing off his own hand). I’m not overly familiar with Simone’s work, but I found myself properly amused by her ATOM; here she seems to be trying too damn hard to be cute and funny in scenes where it’s hard to be cute and funny. This is one of them grim ‘n gritty books and one would expect the humor to be a lot darker, but instead we get lame gags about Jello and fruits wearing hats.
Maybe I’m not who this book is for. I put aside my interest in super-hero universes about a decade ago, and favor stories that tell a complete story without the need of company wide cross-over events to explain half the back story--where if a guy shows up in the first issue, they tell us who the guy is instead of expecting us to know if from reading some other book. This book seems to have, like much of the DC Universe, disappeared up its own continuity hole and I spending half the book just trying to figure out who everyone is and what the hell it is they’re doing…and that’s simply not what I look for in a book.
I'm out.
I like this series. To me, it’s the comic book equivalent of a Walter Hill film. It ain’t flashy or showy, it’s just pure action and proud of it. The story is something you’d want to see as a film—a vampire gets himself locked up in LA’s most notorious prison and converts the entire prison population into vampires. A riot ensues, but the prisoners are still in the prison. A team of government agents trained to deal with this sort of thing is sent in to contain and eliminate the problem before they find a way out of the prison and cause some real damage. That’s the premise and with issue two our team finally infiltrates the prison. The action moves pretty quickly from there on out as our team finds that they are outnumbered. This classic “contain the problem or die” scenario is well done with very capable artwork by Tone Rodriguez. Check this one out. - Bug
Seems the zombie genre in comics is at an all time high these days. Eventually, I’ll probably get sick of all of these stories with zombies and survivors in this scenario or that scenario. But not yet. This story is very Ennis-esque as a couple of fun-lovin’ rednecks decide to cash in on this whole End of Days hoopla and seek out loved ones and put them down for good so that they don’t wander the earth eating brains and standing in front of me in the damn supermarket when all I freakin’ want is some gum, some TP, a pack of condoms, and a sixer of Red Stripe! By the end of this issue, the Savage Brothers are forced to make a decision whether to become heroes or continue to profit off of Armageddon. It was a quick read with a lot of lowbrow humor, but I like that sort of thing and if you do too, you might want to check this one out. - Bug
WORMWOOD: GENTLEMAN CORPSE – Birds, Bees, Blood, & Beer #1
IDW Publishing
The highlight, as always, is Ben Templesmith’s artwork with this book. Like McKean, Ashley Wood, and I’d even lump Ted McKeever in there as well, you buy one of these artist’s books to soak in the rich manipulation of lines and colors, darks, and lights. These guys, while maintaining their own styles, push the boundaries of the medium. Their dedication to this craft is evident in every panel and this is the type of book that one uses when trying to convince people that comics are an art form. It’s just an added bonus that Templesmith has created such a great character to bring to life. Wormwood is an alien worm taking residence inside a rotting corpse. His sidekick is a mechanical man of his own creation, and he just hired another gun in his arsenal, a cutie whose tattoos come to life. If you like Steve Niles’ CAL MACDONALD (and shame on you if you don’t), you’ll like this series. Templesmith seems to be just as talented at story as he is with illustration. A beautiful looking book and a promising new series. - Bug
It is not a question of how much they will take
Because they will take everything
They will take your lunch breaks and your nights and your weekends
Your passion and your courage
Your time and your energy
Your heart and your soul
Your life and your dreams
And it will never be enough
They will take it all
It is NOT a question of how much they will take
It is a question of how much you will let them take
Before you stand up and scream…
ENOUGH!
Number of days since I last worked full-time…786
Number of days since I last set foot in a cube…484
---from the inside cover of WASTED MINUTE #3
I read that little ditty and immediately knew I had to share it with the AICN Comics readers. If that doesn’t make you want to stand up, put your hoof through your computer monitor, and walk out of your dull day job to follow your dreams, I don’t know what will. At WIZARDWORLD Chicago, writer Lewis Helfand sold me on the concept of this book: it’s about superheroes who have day jobs. Simple enough and a concept that has been utilized in comics from the beginning, but never given center stage. This comic does this. In many ways, this book is like CLERKS meets THE INCREDIBLES except it centers on former heroes who are literally being sapped of their energies, not from death rays or evil plots, but by the tedium that comes with a desk job. Like CLERKS, it’s the observational humor that makes this entertaining as the former heroes bitch about the idiocy and monotony of working for The Man. This book will definitely appeal to anyone who has “wasted time” at work thinking about being anyplace else. It’s an indie book, so don’t expect high production values or all pro panels. But this is the type of book that hones in and addresses thoughts and feelings we all have from time to time. Writer Lewis Helfand proves not only to be someone to come up with a catchy theme for his book, but his sensitive storytelling and careful wordplay proved to be impressive as well. I plan on tracking down more issues of this innovative indie. - Bug
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GREEN ARROW #65
DC Comics
Hey! AIDSy the teen sidekick is back in this issue! Yip…eee?
This issue marks another perfect example of the strengths and weaknesses of Judd Winick’s writing. The book is paced evenly enough at first, with a nice fight scene involving Green Arrow, AIDSy, and Brick (the mob boss turned street enforcer) against a gaggle of drug addled cannibal/vampires. It’s spliced pretty well with some political debate, but the problem is that the debate is so heavy-handed and unevenly represented that the piece just slides into crapsville as quick as you can say “I hate AIDSy the sidekick!” I liked the idea of a politician who also happens to be a super hero the first time I heard of it…when it was called EX MACHINA. David Spade imitations aside, as much as EX MACHINA is a prime example of how to smartly splice politics with super-heroics, this book shows how it’s done badly. The political debate starts as a sidebar to the action piece, running alongside what the main character is doing on the streets, but as the story goes on, it elbows the action out of the picture and literally crams its political views down the readers’ throats. Although quite liberal myself, even I was offended at the way Winick characterized the liberals as the godly and right, while the conservatives were characterized as caveman-like hate-mongers. It’s sloppy, easy writing from someone who is seriously shooting himself in the foot every time he decides to turn his comic book into a soapbox. To top it all off, Winick neuters his main character by having Hal Jordan swoop in and fix the situation with a flick of his ring finger when GA had been fighting said menace all night long. He does this in front of AIDSy nonethefuckingless. “Way to make me look like a complete split-tail, old chum.”
Good action/bad everything else/Ollie = no balls. - Bug
A MAN CALLED KEV #2
Wildstorm Comics
Up until now, the KEV books have pretty much a one-note joke that’s been going on about two mini-series too long. He’s an ex-SAS homophobic loser that keeps getting teamed up with The Midnighter and hilarity ensues as he’s embroiled in some larger-than-life super-hero plot. The joke was only mildly funny the first time they did it, and Ennis isn’t adept enough at super-hero plots to have mined the concept for anything but the most obvious jokes. The main redeeming features of them have been the more down-to-Earth moments involving Kev and his military buddies, and, thankfully, that seems to be the entire focus of this mini-series.
This month, Kev looks up an old buddy, the owner of the infamous tiger that had been the root of all of Kev’s troubles in the last three outings. And, well, that’s about it. It’s 22 pages of boozing, smoking, joking, poking, outings, and stops just short of revealing the Big Story behind this adventure; and that’s enough for me. For those familiar with Ennis’ stories, you know he’s always got to take a bit of time out to let you get to know these people, so he can twist the knife in later on when very bad things start happening to likeable people. So, sit down a spell and laugh along with the merry band. In another couple of months, you’ll be crying like a baby when one of these people takes a shotgun blast to the gut. - Baytor
BEYOND! #2
Marvel Comics
What’s that in the air? Do I smell a sleeper hit? Sure do. This book left me pleasantly surprised with its first issue, but with this second one I’m hooked. It helps that there’s an appearance by Dragon Man. But the true standout is the reappearance of a character that hasn’t been around in ten years. Much like MARVEL SUPER HEROES SECRET WAR before it, this book seems to embrace the Marvel U and what makes it special. Don’t buy that “world outside your window” crap that Quesada tries to pawn off as the Marvel mantra. The best thing about Marvel is the fantastic characters and stories told in a sophisticated manner. This is high adventure storytelling where the characters act the way they have been acting for years and the thrills come at the characters non-stop and in the classic Mighty Marvel Manner. Dan Slott lovers will like this book. People who like fun adventures will like this book. Those of you who don’t want to pick up 200 crossover issues to see all of your favorite and not so favorite heroes interacting with eat this up. - Bug
52 – WEEK 13
DC Comics
Week Thirteen (25% of 52) features Ralph Dibny and some former JLA'ers infiltrating the Cult of Conner and the attempted resurrection of Ralph's late wife, Sue Dibny. It also delivers a throwaway piece with Black Adam and Isis freeing slave children, probably included so that we may witness Isis in action. The cult storyline takes the majority
of the issue, and I can understand the somewhat questionable actions of the “heroes,” who never cause considerable property damage or physical harm; they are simply available to break up a charlatan and thief who might be poisoning others. They do not start any literal fires, but be sure to re-check the panels to witness who does. This issue initially did not work well for me and it's because Todd Nauck's pencils are somewhat cartoonish in nature. Had this been a more whimsical storyline, such as many, but obviously not all, of those in featured in YOUNG JUSTICE or WILDGUARD, I would have been more accepting. To me, Nauck justifies his artwork with a single, creepy panel towards the end of the book that put a chill down my spine and made the entire issue worth the money spent. - Squashua
WOLVERINE ORIGINS #5
Marvel Comics
In this issue, we get the secret origin of Wolverine and his lost love Silver Fox. Oh wait, that’s not a secret. That story was told in an early issue of Wolverine’s last series. This was just a poorly drawn rehash of that story interspersed with whoever Wolverine is fighting in this issue. So far, this series has been a complete waste of my time. No longer though…because this is the last issue I pick up. Should’ve done this four issues ago. - Bug
It Came From the 90’s
Now, I didn’t read everything that was published in the 90’s, mind you. There were plenty of books that I passed over, and even more that weren’t that great (this is true of every comics era, mind you.) For example, I don’t think I touched a single book WildStorm published. It wasn’t something I did intentionally, mind you. There just wasn’t anything that stood out for me as something I simply had to read, no matter what.
That is, until Alan Moore became the writer on WILDC.A.T.S.

I don’t know about you but I’ll try out anything that Moore does, even if it’s 13 issues of work for hire about an alien war set on Earth. Of course, Moore being Moore, he turned the entire title on its ear. The team arrives at their homeworld to learn that their war has been over for centuries, making the Earth the equivalent of an island in the South Pacific filled with Japanese holdouts. But he didn’t stop there, setting up the heroes’ homeworld as a dystopian nightmare filled with political parasites who help drive the team apart. Then there’s the crew who stayed behind on Earth, who start a major war on crime with the help of new member Tao. If you’ve read SLEEPER, you know what a mistake that is.
One of the things I love about this work is that each element has essentially the same plot, that of good people doing what they think is right and finding themselves suddenly and unexpectedly in shit up to their neck thanks to people manipulating their every move. That Moore tells essentially the same story twice without drawing attention to the fact is a blast. Each aspect has its own nuances and touches that help keep the reader riveted. And Tao is an absolutely fascinating and chilling character.
There’s also the fact that the book has some hilariously funny moments. One of the people reforming the Earth team comments that “There’s always three well-known loners, a giant guy, and two bimbos that nobody’s heard of.” (Almost sounds like the New Avengers.) Majestic is constantly commenting that things were so much simpler back in the ‘60s. The cyborg called Ladytron gets in a fight with Overtkill, then complains that his head doesn’t come off like on the action figure. Some of the heroes hang out at a bar called Clark’s that’s full of background gags. And there’s an absolutely hilarious funeral at a church for robots. You can see a whole mess of ideas in these stories that are clear precursors to the stories he told in TOM STRONG and TOP 10.
Then there’re the two issues that crossed over into the Fire From Heaven event at WildStorm. Not that these issues stand out in terms of quality or anything. I just find it hilarious that Alan Moore, his own man when it comes to storytelling, took part in a multi-writer crossover event. Of course, I only read the issues that Moore wrote, which means that I will probably go to my grave without ever learning why the last three pages of issue #29 feature an appearance by Marvel’s Silver Samurai and The Hitcher from "The Mighty Boosh".
This isn’t Moore’s best work by any means. But all things considered, it’s still a damn good comic, as well as a prime example of the reason you shouldn’t write off a weak concept, especially when it gains a writer who’s the best there is. Of course, it’s also an outstanding example of why you shouldn’t write off a decade like the ‘90s.
Question for Discussion:
What creator/s and which title do you never expect to cross paths, but would love to see the end result of?
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Reader Talkback
Too soon? by Stollentroll | Aug 16th, 2006 08:28:58 AM | "I just wish there was a lot
more of this stuff out by chrth | Aug 16th, 2006 08:31:08 AM | Yeah, really, too soon by Engineer_at_peac | Aug 16th, 2006 08:41:29 AM | Wrong about Nauck's
style.. he rules.. by stlfilmwire | Aug 16th, 2006 08:48:33 AM | Kingdom Come is an Elseworlds
tale? by Sinestro | Aug 16th, 2006 08:55:00 AM | TOO SOON! by Elmore Rigby | Aug 16th, 2006 09:00:26 AM | Winnick by Spaz_Monkey | Aug 16th, 2006 09:01:00 AM | Phillipe is Two Face... by stlfilmwire | Aug 16th, 2006 09:02:08 AM | Top Cow house style... by biscuit turner | Aug 16th, 2006 09:09:27 AM | Civil War by AlgertMopper | Aug 16th, 2006 09:16:25 AM | Nauck by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 09:33:11 AM | I know I'm two months
behind... by rev_skarekroe | Aug 16th, 2006 09:37:30 AM | Yeah, Kingdom Come is
Elseworlds by chrth | Aug 16th, 2006 09:37:50 AM | ult. spider by John Dalmas | Aug 16th, 2006 09:40:15 AM | Welcome to Chicago, JD! by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 09:50:56 AM | Thanks Bug! by John Dalmas | Aug 16th, 2006 09:55:36 AM | PSH as Penguin? by chrth | Aug 16th, 2006 09:58:42 AM | Banner was in Giant Sized Hulk by rev_skarekroe | Aug 16th, 2006 10:03:57 AM | Two-Face has always been a
hard one to cast... by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 10:11:08 AM | Giant Size Hulk by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 10:15:04 AM | listen to the Bug, JD by Dollar Bird | Aug 16th, 2006 10:16:46 AM | and rev... by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 10:18:06 AM | Not bad, a-holes by Drcool975 | Aug 16th, 2006 10:23:37 AM | I didn't make up
tradewaiting... by rev_skarekroe | Aug 16th, 2006 10:42:47 AM | Answer: Warren Ellis and Frank
Miller by Mr. Fist | Aug 16th, 2006 11:10:13 AM | Wolverine: Origins by KoozyK | Aug 16th, 2006 11:10:43 AM | The Frank Miller writing
crack... by Mr. Fist | Aug 16th, 2006 11:12:37 AM | Is There A Moore-helmed
WildCATS TPB? by ZombieSolutions | Aug 16th, 2006 11:13:14 AM | The Frank Miller writing
crack... by Mr. Fist | Aug 16th, 2006 11:13:22 AM | There are Alan Moore Wildcats
trades... by Mr. Fist | Aug 16th, 2006 11:16:51 AM | Yea, Elseworlds by Heisenberg85 | Aug 16th, 2006 11:32:39 AM | The ending of 52... by SamBluestone | Aug 16th, 2006 11:33:20 AM | .... by blackthought | Aug 16th, 2006 11:35:06 AM | Absolute Edition=Thumbs Down by chrth | Aug 16th, 2006 11:37:34 AM | Ultimate Galactus by Caped Revenger2 | Aug 16th, 2006 11:40:05 AM | re: JD (SPOILERS) by Ribbons | Aug 16th, 2006 11:48:53 AM | Robert Downey Jr. would have
made an AWESOME Two-Face by stlfilmwire | Aug 16th, 2006 12:06:42 PM | MAN YOU GUYS ARE SO LATE!!!! by BilboRing | Aug 16th, 2006 12:09:19 PM | Self appointed "honarary
@$$hole" reviews Ult. Spidey by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 12:26:13 PM | I don't know about Robert
Downey Jr. by chrth | Aug 16th, 2006 12:26:48 PM | You didn't like the Jell-O
gag? by vagrant's choice | Aug 16th, 2006 12:40:44 PM | Quick! Which sidekick is
AIDSey? by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 12:46:43 PM | First Ledger as Joker now
Phillipe as Dent?? by chickychow | Aug 16th, 2006 01:02:02 PM | AIDSy by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 01:02:31 PM | Ed Norton could be a nice
Harvey Dent... by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 01:05:32 PM | *SHOOMP!* by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 16th, 2006 01:08:58 PM | Thank, Bug! by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 01:13:02 PM | AIDSey=Mia, Ollie's latest
sidekick. by SleazyG. | Aug 16th, 2006 01:14:24 PM | Baytor, Ultimate Extinction
and Secret Six by Homer Sexual | Aug 16th, 2006 01:19:48 PM | Some have made the teen
superheroes cool but... by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 01:20:54 PM | I like Mia by Engineer_at_peac | Aug 16th, 2006 01:22:25 PM | Bug by Homer Sexual | Aug 16th, 2006 01:25:51 PM | Question for Discussion: by MCVamp | Aug 16th, 2006 01:29:15 PM | Yes, Baytor truly is a dick
among @$$holes by MrBoinfoint | Aug 16th, 2006 01:29:40 PM | re: Philippe as Harvey Dent by Ribbons | Aug 16th, 2006 01:30:48 PM | Question for discussion by MrBoinfoint | Aug 16th, 2006 01:31:15 PM | I think Heinberg is doing a
great job with YA by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 01:32:35 PM | I agree with Engineer, I
enjoyed Mia before she... by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 01:39:08 PM | Alan Moore's Powerpack is
a great one... by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 01:51:34 PM | Baytor by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 01:56:13 PM | Ambush Bug, by vagrant's choice | Aug 16th, 2006 02:00:11 PM | Is it me? by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 02:05:08 PM | baytor knows shit by joergn | Aug 16th, 2006 02:05:55 PM | AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!! by Giant Ape Balls | Aug 16th, 2006 02:07:33 PM | Secret Six by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 02:09:11 PM | joergn by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 02:16:32 PM | Question of the day... by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 02:20:01 PM | On the other hand... by Squashua | Aug 16th, 2006 02:21:10 PM | Notice How AICN doesn't
like to be second? by stlfilmwire | Aug 16th, 2006 02:22:01 PM | And another thing. by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 02:24:10 PM | bad news for loodabagel by Homer Sexual | Aug 16th, 2006 02:31:46 PM | Thank you, Giant Ape Balls by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 02:35:12 PM | One thing, tho', @$$holes by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 02:35:17 PM | Even Better than Pekar: MARVEL
Heroes by R. Crumb! by ZombieSolutions | Aug 16th, 2006 02:35:18 PM | Who coined "AIDsy"? by Drcool975 | Aug 16th, 2006 02:36:58 PM | note to vale by Homer Sexual | Aug 16th, 2006 02:40:38 PM | Hey loodabagel by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 02:41:41 PM | Mark Waid and Alex Ross
together again? by Sinestro | Aug 16th, 2006 02:46:12 PM | Homer by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 02:47:29 PM | stlfilmwire by Ribbons | Aug 16th, 2006 02:50:54 PM | I wasn't particularilary
complaining, Homer... by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 02:53:55 PM | Question for Discussion by BilboRing | Aug 16th, 2006 02:56:13 PM | I will admit... by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 02:57:15 PM | Bilbo by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 03:03:45 PM | If you want Bilbo to leave... by rev_skarekroe | Aug 16th, 2006 03:10:42 PM | Yeah sorry by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 03:16:47 PM | question for discussion... by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 03:17:41 PM | Actually, stlfilmwire... by SleazyG. | Aug 16th, 2006 03:22:45 PM | loodabagel by Giant Ape Balls | Aug 16th, 2006 03:26:49 PM | No wait! Marc Silvestri
redraws old freak brothers! by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 03:32:53 PM | Baytor by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 03:36:16 PM | Don't worry, Giant Ape
Balls by loodabagel | Aug 16th, 2006 03:39:01 PM | loodabagel by Giant Ape Balls | Aug 16th, 2006 03:49:13 PM | I'm starting to suspect... by Squashua | Aug 16th, 2006 03:57:02 PM | Squashua by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 04:12:44 PM | Nahh, Vale isn't Dildo... by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 04:17:01 PM | I think I came up with AIDSy,
DrCool. by Ambush Bug | Aug 16th, 2006 04:18:13 PM | Wow, what an asshole move by
Marvel. by SleazyG. | Aug 16th, 2006 04:26:31 PM | "We're not publishing this
for the long-time fans..." by SleazyG. | Aug 16th, 2006 04:29:46 PM | El Vale by Giant Ape Balls | Aug 16th, 2006 04:32:17 PM | Bug by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 04:38:14 PM | "only thing more useless than
a comic reviewer by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 04:38:34 PM | Ape Balls by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 04:40:31 PM | Squashua!!! by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 04:41:35 PM | I would like by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 04:43:53 PM | Giant Ape Balls by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 04:45:58 PM | YES!!! by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 04:46:18 PM | Question for Discussion: by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 04:47:06 PM | Umm by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 04:50:13 PM | No idea, man by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 04:55:42 PM | ,,, ,,, ,,,, by blackthought | Aug 16th, 2006 04:59:03 PM | blackthought? by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 05:03:13 PM | Top Cow House Style by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 05:04:16 PM | Wolverine Origins looks like
its drawn by monkeys by tonyd1411 | Aug 16th, 2006 05:09:49 PM | ah fuck... by blackthought | Aug 16th, 2006 05:10:24 PM | and vale ain't no
fuggin' bibloring thing or
whoever... by blackthought | Aug 16th, 2006 05:11:40 PM | Baytor, regarding Down by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 05:12:00 PM | Would it be wrong by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 05:12:53 PM | ah, rendering by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 05:12:59 PM | Vale re: Top Cow connoisseur by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 05:14:56 PM | Origins by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 05:14:59 PM | Dillon by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 05:19:52 PM | Down Spoiler by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 05:20:53 PM | i wish i knew by blackthought | Aug 16th, 2006 05:35:11 PM | The Clone Saga ROCKED! by RezE11even | Aug 16th, 2006 05:40:15 PM | So basically fuck everyone who
isn't RezE11even by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 05:52:57 PM | Gail Simone by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 05:56:11 PM | I'm starting to suspect... by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 06:21:05 PM | You are all part of my
delusion by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 06:25:28 PM | worst (non-death) comic news
of the year by waggy | Aug 16th, 2006 06:29:06 PM | Bagley by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 06:34:05 PM | "So basically fuck everyone
who isn't RezE11even" by chrth | Aug 16th, 2006 06:53:38 PM | But Bagley can't leave Ult
Spidey! by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 07:20:31 PM | Thanks for the Down info,
Baytor by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 07:22:30 PM | You should check out some of
his early Hellblazer by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 07:28:35 PM | Look, man. Dildoring is in
disguise... by Squashua | Aug 16th, 2006 07:59:15 PM | Hmm by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 08:02:05 PM | Hmm... by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 08:06:30 PM | sorry im late by Darth Kal-El | Aug 16th, 2006 08:14:15 PM | Hmm by The Heathen | Aug 16th, 2006 08:32:59 PM | Bagley quit "Ult. Spidey"?! by Ribbons | Aug 16th, 2006 08:44:21 PM | glad to be heard from by Darth Kal-El | Aug 16th, 2006 08:44:50 PM | OMG they got together! by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 08:54:47 PM | man he quit? by Darth Kal-El | Aug 16th, 2006 09:01:11 PM | .... by blackthought | Aug 16th, 2006 09:08:35 PM | New Warriors... by Squashua | Aug 16th, 2006 09:36:00 PM | not a huge slott fan by Darth Kal-El | Aug 16th, 2006 09:44:12 PM | did u notice by Darth Kal-El | Aug 16th, 2006 09:45:54 PM | Civil War delay ... by dregmobile | Aug 16th, 2006 09:51:06 PM | Ultimate Extinction by Baytor | Aug 16th, 2006 09:58:35 PM | Oh Dildo is a member alright by Darth Kal-El | Aug 16th, 2006 10:04:39 PM | What is it, break Vale's
heart day? by El Vale | Aug 16th, 2006 10:08:21 PM | by John Dalmas | Aug 17th, 2006 12:29:08 AM | No confirmation from
tonight's Variety. by dregmobile | Aug 17th, 2006 12:32:20 AM | still number one tb? by Darth Kal-El | Aug 17th, 2006 02:07:18 AM | I don't think so Darth by El Vale | Aug 17th, 2006 02:15:56 AM | vale my friend by Darth Kal-El | Aug 17th, 2006 02:20:22 AM | Just read that Giant Size Hulk
book... by Ambush Bug | Aug 17th, 2006 02:47:38 AM | warren ellis by mrbighat | Aug 17th, 2006 06:04:16 AM | But Bug, one of the other
aliens saw Hulk transform... by rev_skarekroe | Aug 17th, 2006 07:52:38 AM | I never liked Bagley by rev_skarekroe | Aug 17th, 2006 07:53:33 AM | Dregmobile might have
something there... by Squashua | Aug 17th, 2006 08:34:03 AM | Oh, and... by Squashua | Aug 17th, 2006 08:35:02 AM | Read Agents of Atlas by Drcool975 | Aug 17th, 2006 10:40:16 AM | civil war was delayed? by blackthought | Aug 17th, 2006 10:57:00 AM | But who is You-Know-Who,
DrCool? by loodabagel | Aug 17th, 2006 11:01:09 AM | Silly COGs, Turtle will die
alone.... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 17th, 2006 11:19:39 AM | I'll take one of whatever,
GreatA did. by The Heathen | Aug 17th, 2006 11:40:37 AM | Reviewed Agents of Atlas in
last week's column, DrCool by Ambush Bug | Aug 17th, 2006 11:57:41 AM | I don't know, rev... by Ambush Bug | Aug 17th, 2006 12:04:16 PM | TURTLE SMASH! by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 17th, 2006 12:45:25 PM | Well, we'll see what
happens when/if Banner shows
up. by rev_skarekroe | Aug 17th, 2006 01:12:18 PM | Comic Reviews Suck by BilboRing | Aug 17th, 2006 01:14:28 PM | We're kicking
everyone's ass by El Vale | Aug 17th, 2006 01:19:28 PM | Dildo by El Vale | Aug 17th, 2006 01:22:43 PM | comic creators who are both
fun and cool. by Homer Sexual | Aug 17th, 2006 02:27:01 PM | Long Time Fans by Baytor | Aug 17th, 2006 02:50:21 PM | Baytor...um...WTF? by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 17th, 2006 03:26:58 PM | Old School by Baytor | Aug 17th, 2006 03:50:57 PM | Works for me by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 17th, 2006 04:18:44 PM | To Be Young Again by Baytor | Aug 17th, 2006 04:26:05 PM | That's should be... by Baytor | Aug 17th, 2006 04:28:23 PM | Totally disagree on your
Hulk/Banner take Ambush Bug. by thestrongestone | Aug 17th, 2006 04:53:50 PM | 52 #15 by Psynapse | Aug 17th, 2006 04:55:11 PM | ... by blackthought | Aug 17th, 2006 05:01:13 PM | Spoil(er) me by Darth Kal-El | Aug 17th, 2006 05:42:30 PM | fwiw, I also wild new twists
on old characters. by Homer Sexual | Aug 17th, 2006 05:43:25 PM | and while on the subject of
insider info by Darth Kal-El | Aug 17th, 2006 05:44:01 PM | I just assumed by Baytor | Aug 17th, 2006 05:54:32 PM | i wold have thought so too
baytor by Darth Kal-El | Aug 17th, 2006 05:55:53 PM | the "too soon" thing... by SleazyG. | Aug 17th, 2006 06:08:51 PM | a 52 Spoiler and "Too Soon"
explained.... by Psynapse | Aug 17th, 2006 06:12:12 PM | Psynapse is right... by SleazyG. | Aug 17th, 2006 06:33:27 PM | thanks sleazy and psy by Darth Kal-El | Aug 17th, 2006 08:07:02 PM | Too Soon by Squashua | Aug 17th, 2006 08:54:24 PM | Gah... by Squashua | Aug 17th, 2006 08:55:32 PM | rendering by blackthought | Aug 17th, 2006 09:24:09 PM | Too soon by El Vale | Aug 17th, 2006 09:42:55 PM | Star Trek: The Manga: The Bomb by dregmobile | Aug 18th, 2006 03:40:35 AM | 2 Soon by dregmobile | Aug 18th, 2006 03:43:06 AM | And now for something
completely tasteless... by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 01:11:40 PM | Too soon? All right bitches,
try this on for size then by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 02:21:45 PM | Joke shamelessly stolen from
Greg Rucka: by SleazyG. | Aug 18th, 2006 02:49:45 PM | i love the tasteless psy jokes by Darth Kal-El | Aug 18th, 2006 02:59:56 PM | One of 'em actually came
out this month! by SleazyG. | Aug 18th, 2006 03:02:20 PM | *Zing* by Darth Kal-El | Aug 18th, 2006 03:10:45 PM | Who's Lance Bass? by El Vale | Aug 18th, 2006 03:31:58 PM | one of the nsync guys by Darth Kal-El | Aug 18th, 2006 03:43:16 PM | OMIGOD DARTH!!!! by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 04:05:58 PM | Wanna hear one REEAALLY
tasteless? by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 04:11:54 PM | Psy, that would be a hearty
"Hell YES!" by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 18th, 2006 04:30:08 PM | Though, I feel I must warn you
all.... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 18th, 2006 04:32:28 PM | Okay, you asked for it..... by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 04:59:20 PM | oh my...did mel gibson write
that one? by blackthought | Aug 18th, 2006 05:12:09 PM | Actually.... by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 05:17:05 PM | Holy shit! by Darth Kal-El | Aug 18th, 2006 05:28:02 PM | Well isn't that pathetic by El Vale | Aug 18th, 2006 05:32:37 PM | This ones for you Psy.... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 18th, 2006 05:37:18 PM | that kind of joke by Darth Kal-El | Aug 18th, 2006 05:41:32 PM | maybe by Darth Kal-El | Aug 18th, 2006 05:42:26 PM | Yes!! by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 05:54:39 PM | Okay how about this one.... by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 06:00:22 PM | And one more for my homies.... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 18th, 2006 06:01:08 PM | whoa ethiopans now... by blackthought | Aug 18th, 2006 06:07:38 PM | Or this..... by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 06:10:29 PM | Or this..... by Psynapse | Aug 18th, 2006 06:16:46 PM | fuck too soon it is too early!
by Darth Kal-El | Aug 18th, 2006 06:35:38 PM | did i kill the tb again? by Darth Kal-El | Aug 19th, 2006 05:28:22 PM | That'd be Turtle Power, I
assume? by Thalya | Aug 19th, 2006 06:31:51 PM | In other news, it's pretty
much official that... by Thalya | Aug 19th, 2006 06:44:21 PM | And wait.. by Thalya | Aug 19th, 2006 06:45:28 PM | Ok.. by Thalya | Aug 19th, 2006 06:46:42 PM | That would suck by El Vale | Aug 19th, 2006 06:55:22 PM | I hate Vertigo. by Thalya | Aug 19th, 2006 07:48:49 PM | It's "Vale picks random
fights" week! by El Vale | Aug 19th, 2006 09:41:59 PM | But don't you always pick
random fights, Vale? by Thalya | Aug 19th, 2006 10:39:09 PM | Stomach churning revulsion? by El Vale | Aug 19th, 2006 11:07:35 PM | To be fair by El Vale | Aug 20th, 2006 02:51:41 AM | ... by blackthought | Aug 20th, 2006 09:00:45 AM | Gardner is seriously due for a
change in hairstyle... by dregmobile | Aug 21st, 2006 12:32:36 AM | And I don't think anyone
here really cares, by dregmobile | Aug 21st, 2006 03:09:16 AM | Throws lots of vegetables at
dreg by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 04:23:57 AM | shoot, i'd throw veg too
but i haven't ate one.. by blackthought | Aug 21st, 2006 09:39:59 AM | DAMN YOU MONDAYS! DAMN YOU TO
HELLLLLLL! by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 21st, 2006 11:10:16 AM | I'm tired of these
motherfugging Mondays... by The Heathen | Aug 21st, 2006 11:44:31 AM | 8*) by The Heathen | Aug 21st, 2006 11:49:48 AM | 8*) by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 21st, 2006 12:11:14 PM | OMG look! by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 12:52:48 PM | heh, emo kid by The Heathen | Aug 21st, 2006 02:09:06 PM | Monday you vile rogue by Darth Kal-El | Aug 21st, 2006 02:20:53 PM | and thalya by Darth Kal-El | Aug 21st, 2006 02:24:59 PM | Heath by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 02:26:02 PM | 8*) might mean... by SleazyG. | Aug 21st, 2006 02:31:04 PM | Oh Sleazy by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 02:33:26 PM | I see they've gotten to
you, too, Sleazy... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 21st, 2006 02:55:57 PM | ... by blackthought | Aug 21st, 2006 03:21:45 PM | *thunk* by Thalya | Aug 21st, 2006 03:31:11 PM | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 21st, 2006 04:11:30 PM | huh, thanks Sleazy by The Heathen | Aug 21st, 2006 04:29:23 PM | Questions & Answers.. by Thalya | Aug 21st, 2006 04:45:54 PM | Well bitches, here it is: by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 04:53:39 PM | Vale, you're no Dave
Chapelle by Thalya | Aug 21st, 2006 04:56:49 PM | Thalya, you're a bitch by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 04:59:50 PM | i would say by Darth Kal-El | Aug 21st, 2006 05:05:22 PM | There's only love when you
start givin' it, sweetums by Thalya | Aug 21st, 2006 05:09:57 PM | Darth by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 05:14:53 PM | The Exterminators: Bug
Brothers by Psynapse | Aug 21st, 2006 06:13:10 PM | my name is kal by Darth Kal-El | Aug 21st, 2006 06:29:13 PM | HI, KAL! by The Heathen | Aug 21st, 2006 07:08:06 PM | Just saw the Lost finale by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 08:02:12 PM | Exxxxactly by The Heathen | Aug 21st, 2006 08:13:14 PM | i agree with my fellow
colombian... by blackthought | Aug 21st, 2006 08:26:01 PM | Sorry to get you guys off your
tangent, but... by Thalya | Aug 21st, 2006 08:50:54 PM | I was blown away by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 08:53:54 PM | yes ill read it by Darth Kal-El | Aug 21st, 2006 09:00:24 PM | ah yes, desmond brothah by blackthought | Aug 21st, 2006 09:01:28 PM | Dudes named Yorick certainly
do rule by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 09:41:21 PM | SUCH by El Vale | Aug 21st, 2006 09:45:16 PM | I was going to pick up
Manhunter soon anyway by dregmobile | Aug 21st, 2006 09:56:05 PM | i noticed that too by Darth Kal-El | Aug 21st, 2006 09:58:30 PM | ... by blackthought | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:04:23 AM | I've got Manhunter 1-3 and
20-current by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 10:57:56 AM | DUDES by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 11:08:11 AM | in other news by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 11:16:32 AM | Fables am good food... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 11:20:36 AM | Who could replace the Bagman? by loodabagel | Aug 22nd, 2006 11:49:34 AM | Bagley's replacement by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 12:09:58 PM | and in case you forgot by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 12:13:10 PM | squeeling with glee is always
good by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 12:14:35 PM | I didn't get no paley legs
picture by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 12:18:45 PM | check your MySpace, Shig by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 12:56:40 PM | ahahhhahahhaha by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 01:11:05 PM | Sorry, but there are some
shitty issues of PREACHER. by SleazyG. | Aug 22nd, 2006 01:16:54 PM | Sleaze by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:00:11 PM | Shig by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:03:56 PM | It's not all laughs, Vale. by SleazyG. | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:03:58 PM | Hetero Man Love.... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:10:03 PM | THALYA: Start reading Fables
NOW by Psynapse | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:10:40 PM | no problem Vale, like I said,
I skipped the posts by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:12:42 PM | I HATE YOU!!!!!!! by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:16:01 PM | woo, October 4th! by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 02:33:11 PM | it wasn't a purse in my
pic... by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 03:10:57 PM | Heath...words fail by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 03:22:00 PM | What a bunch of Fags...... by Psynapse | Aug 22nd, 2006 03:26:10 PM | Hey now son! by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 03:40:39 PM | Walking dead by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 03:52:12 PM | Ask Heath about the pic by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:07:34 PM | Death Cab by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:12:41 PM | Please email, PLEASE! by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:14:06 PM | All American Rejects by Shigeru | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:16:03 PM | What Shig said. by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:17:04 PM | All American Rejects? by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:19:58 PM | Punk by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:23:00 PM | Well said, Vale by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:41:15 PM | Email's a comin' Vale by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:41:50 PM | Oh, and my credibility... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:43:45 PM | American Idol? by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:46:30 PM | still, not stikk by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:49:20 PM | dont know by Darth Kal-El | Aug 22nd, 2006 04:55:01 PM | check him out, Y!!! by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 05:00:30 PM | More Dude by The Heathen | Aug 22nd, 2006 05:33:55 PM | sounds good heath i will do
that for sure by Darth Kal-El | Aug 22nd, 2006 05:40:44 PM | Darth, fear not... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 06:09:42 PM | Thanks Heath by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 07:09:01 PM | Belle and Sebastian aren't
emo, goddammit. by SleazyG. | Aug 22nd, 2006 07:36:37 PM | FUCK AFI. by SleazyG. | Aug 22nd, 2006 07:42:20 PM | Ben Gibbard out-Morriseys
Morrisey. by SleazyG. | Aug 22nd, 2006 07:47:44 PM | Wow by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 08:24:12 PM | Are you kidding? I love this. by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 22nd, 2006 08:53:09 PM | Truth is... by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 09:00:31 PM | all the different bands your
mentioning by Darth Kal-El | Aug 22nd, 2006 09:08:26 PM | but serioulsy by Darth Kal-El | Aug 22nd, 2006 09:10:32 PM | Linkin Park, Live, and Juno
Reactor by Thalya | Aug 22nd, 2006 09:23:10 PM | Darth by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 09:25:37 PM | Oh, and Turtle? by Thalya | Aug 22nd, 2006 09:26:18 PM | Who? by Thalya | Aug 22nd, 2006 09:27:01 PM | Vale's late in the week,
totally out of left field-- by El Vale | Aug 22nd, 2006 10:58:46 PM | damn i just read that mori
column... by blackthought | Aug 23rd, 2006 12:55:13 AM | oh... by blackthought | Aug 23rd, 2006 12:56:36 AM | Punk. I cannot comment ... by dregmobile | Aug 23rd, 2006 01:27:43 AM | It's settled then by Thalya | Aug 23rd, 2006 08:23:57 AM | I never called Belle &
Sebastian emo. by Shigeru | Aug 23rd, 2006 10:00:51 AM | music stuff by The Heathen | Aug 23rd, 2006 10:59:22 AM | I don't recall ever
bringing up the word "emo"... by GreatA'Tuin | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:05:50 AM | Rollins is the man by The Heathen | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:10:18 AM | The Descent does indeed rock
as well. by The Heathen | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:20:07 AM | I could keep talking by Shigeru | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:29:03 AM | nah by The Heathen | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:31:11 AM | bastardo by Shigeru | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:37:02 AM | Well you came and you gave
without takin'... by SleazyG. | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:38:15 AM | You DO know Mandy was about a
dog, right? by Psynapse | Aug 23rd, 2006 11:47:40 AM | Mandy or Brandy? by Thalya | Aug 23rd, 2006 12:07:09 PM | Nope, I mean "Mandy"... by SleazyG. | Aug 23rd, 2006 12:24:54 PM | Mandy is a great song. True. by The Heathen | Aug 23rd, 2006 12:47:57 PM | whens by Darth Kal-El | Aug 23rd, 2006 01:43:04 PM | Mandy's about a DOG?! by El Vale | Aug 23rd, 2006 02:05:26 PM | aw sweet i've pulled ahead by blackthought | Aug 23rd, 2006 02:21:43 PM | about the Paris Hilton album by The Heathen | Aug 23rd, 2006 03:04:19 PM | i just read a review of the
outkast album... by blackthought | Aug 23rd, 2006 04:32:53 PM | couldn't agree more, black by The Heathen | Aug 23rd, 2006 07:38:15 PM | test by DennyNewH | Aug 23rd, 2006 09:01:56 PM | i dunno... by blackthought | Aug 23rd, 2006 10:04:00 PM | I dunno by The Heathen | Aug 24th, 2006 04:15:15 PM | sniffles... by blackthought | Aug 25th, 2006 02:52:27 PM | fuck that by Joey P. Brenner | Aug 25th, 2006 07:25:15 PM | uh-huh by blackthought | Aug 26th, 2006 12:57:24 PM | yep by The Heathen | Aug 28th, 2006 07:48:21 PM | Watch this... by loodabagel | Sep 7th, 2006 10:24:00 AM | Last. by loodabagel | Oct 3rd, 2006 09:21:52 AM | Get out of here? by loodabagel | Oct 4th, 2006 09:22:01 AM | Truth be told by Squashua | Dec 19th, 2006 09:31:04 PM | This thread lives??? by 0rcus | Jan 19th, 2007 12:43:58 PM |
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