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Moriarty & Harry go mano-a-mano over the new trailers out on the web! T3, X2, BAD BOYS, OLD SCHOOL & more!!

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

It’s funny... I just walked in the door from the Butt-Numb-A-Thon. I stayed in Austin until the middle of Tuesday afternoon. This was my holiday vacation, basically. I just enjoyed time with my friends in Austin and talked about that insane orgy of movies we mainlined on Saturday and Sunday and spent time showing my girlfriend my home away from home these last few years. The whole time I was gone, from Thursday morning at 7:00 AM to just about three hours ago, I didn’t turn on a computer. I didn’t watch TV. I didn’t go to any regular showings of films at normal theaters. I saw a 16mm print projected at Harry’s house one night. I saw the movies of the BNAT at the Alamo. And I stopped after getting in from the airport, with my girlfriend, and met some friends for THE TWO TOWERS. Like many of you, I got to see some new trailers in front of the film, and when I finally got here (and, boy, does it feel good to be in), I saw that the trailers have been online, in some cases for the entire time I’ve been gone.

So don’t bust my nuts and yell about how these are “old” trailers in some cases, okay? This is the one weekend each year where I intentionally turn off everything except the event I’m in town for, and it’s nice to step outside the literal shitstorm of hype that I stand at the center of each and every day working on a site like this. What’s funny is how in synch I was with Harry over the weekend on all the movies of the BNAT... well, most of them, anyway. I agreed with him about how much NIGHT WARNING kicked ass, and I think we can agree that one of the secret films simply didn’t work, even if there’s some good work in it. I think I liked HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES a little more than him, even though we agree that Sid Haig is the star of the film and deserved far, far more screen time. Because we were so closely in agreement on the majority of the movies we saw together over the weekend, it surprised me when talking to him tonight after stepping in the door that we had totally different reactions to the trailers we saw when we saw the films. As a result, I thought we’d run the links and both talk about what we thought, since obviously opinions are going to be divided. I’m also curious what all of you think, since we seem to be so diametrically opposed.

First, there’s the new TERMINATOR 3 trailer. RISE OF THE MACHINES. And DECLINE OF MY INTEREST. I think this looks powerfully bad. I’m sorry, gang. I wish I could go with this. I wish I could say that Mostow looks like an inspired choice. But that shot of the POV of the thing being shot at the Terminatrix? Give to me f’ing break, please. This looks like something you’d see “premiere” at 1:45 in the morning on a Friday on Cinemax starring Mario Van Peebles and Christopher Lambert. “She’ll be back” is the stupidest fucking line of dialogue I’ve heard in a movie trailer since “John Connor... it’s time.” Yeah, there’s some decent FX work, and a few outsized stunts here, but they’re shot terribly. I hate that they’ll use Brad Fidel’s incredible TERMINATOR theme in the trailers to sell it, but Marco Beltrami has recently said he won’t use the theme in the film. That’s not fair, damn it. Unless that next trailer really kicks my ass, I’m afraid we’re looking at a dead shark, as Woody Allen would say.

Harry here - Moriarty is stark raving insane! Ok, I might feel that this movie may in fact suck the short hairs from his mangina, but this trailer kicks ass pretty fucking hard. Trailers are not truth in advertising, they are their own entity. The studio obviously knows that Brad Fidel's score sells TERMINATOR - why they're being retards and hiring the biggest hack in the music world to slap together shit in place of it... I have no clue... But at least in this trailer ... it is there. And that's fine with me. And if something that looks this good is on Cinemax at 1:45 in the morning every Friday, then I'm turning on Cinemax - just kidding... I don't watch TV, idle threat. What do I like about the trailer... The gizmos, the score, Arnie's bloody eye, that whole underwater skull pool with the flying Hunter Killer searchlighting through it as the world burns beyond... This trailer makes me want to believe that TERMINATOR 3 can be a great fucking movie that gets me jazzed and screaming and excited. And that's the job of a trailer. Now - our job is to see through that shit and see if it really is going to be that. All signs from the scripts are shit, production problems, budget issues - none of that screams shit, it just means irresponsible out-of-control production. Love the trailer, I'm just wary of the film.

Check out that new T3 trailer right here!!

Next up, there’s BAD BOYS 2. Which... god help me... I liked. Color me shocked and confused. I am, after all, the notorious Michael Bay hater on the site while Harry is his card-carrying apologist. Or at least... that’s how it’s supposed to work, I thought. Problem is, this trailer did what it was supposed to do. It sold me the idea that this film will be worth paying $22 to see on opening weekend, my girlfriend at my side, at the best theater in town because those stunts look absolutely insane. I like the gunfight that is shown constantly rotating between inside and outside. That’s a cool fucking idea. And the end of the trailer made me laugh. Oh, and didja see that “Written By” credit? Ron Shelton, John Lee Hancock, and Jerry Stahl? That’s pretty damn impressive, as are the glimpses we get of that insane car chase. Bay shoots action well, and dropping the pretension of PEARL HARBOR earns him much kudos in my book. Instead of making something like THE ALAMO, he’s gone back to pure boneheaded action films, and I think that’s admirable. This movie looks so dumb and fun that they even resurrected Don Simpson to co-produce it according to the credits. What more do you need from a summer movie?!

Drug Dealing KKK Members? Um... So this was written by Ron Shelton, John Lee Hancock and Jerry Stahl... did they happen to be on KKK brand drugs at the time? The end of the trailer made Moriarty laugh? You mean the part where Martin acts like a total retard (like 99% of his movies) and forgets the lyrics to the title song - which was sung terribly from the get go - and was funny - MAYBE 7-8-10 years ago, but now it's so anciently inept that I just sort of cringe. The highway stunts are cool as hell as is that rotation camera thing on that shoot out, but I wonder how many times we go ring-around-the-rosie, and if we keep it up for 5 minutes. I'm really tired of Martin Lawrence on film as a dumbshit with a gun movies. Personally, Don Knotts did it best in THE SHAKIEST GUN IN THE WEST and THE APPLE DUMPLING GANG. And am I the only one that looks at this as a major career back-pedal for Will Smith... I mean to go from ALI to MIB 2 to BAD BOYS 2 -- Isn't that like following up SCHINDLER'S LIST with LOST WORLD? After falling for the action in the PEARL HARBOR trailer - seeing a couple of really nice action shots in a Michael Bay trailer - followed by tons of bad comedy and tired performances - this one doesn't really have me interested.

”Whoopsie daisy, it’s the nigras!” Whatcha gonna do when BAD BOYS 2 opens this summer?!

I’ve seen OLD SCHOOL already, so I was curious to see how they were selling it. The trailer’s good, but it gives away a TON of the film. There are jokes I wouldn’t have even hinted at here, but then again, if the audience doesn’t know the film’s got some giant laughs, then they might not go. It’s a tricky proposition. Rest assured, there’s a hell of a lot more than you see here, but this gets the tone of the film right, and it uses some of the things I think are going to become pop culture catch phrases after the film opens, including Vince Vaughn’s consistently funny “Earmuffs.” Don’t believe me that it’s good? Maybe Mr. Beaks can convince you...

Harry here - This trailer doesn't strike me as being particularly funny - I actually laughed more at that bad Eugene Levy - Steve Martin - Queen Latifah trailer. Drew swears this is very funny and Beaks says it's very funny, so i'll give it the benefit of the doubt and it has a great cast - but I'm just not all that jazzed about it.

Quick! Look here if you want to see Dreamworks give away about five of the big moments in OLD SCHOOL!

The new X2 trailer starts the same basic way that the Comicon footage started, with the chess match between Magneto (Ian McKellen) and Professor X (Patrick Stuart) intercut with shots of soldiers descending on the Xavier School in the middle of the night. Good stuff. Builds steadily with a great sense of mood. And then the new stuff kicks in, and we see some shots of Nightcrawler and Rogue and Magneto in full costume and a mysterious character in a wheelchair sitting behind Professor X in full Dark Cerebro mode, and if you look closely, there’s all sorts of crazy shit going on, like Magneto in jail being beaten by a guard and Mystique in action and Wolverine... holy shit... is he hitting a SENTINEL, fer chrissakes?! Lady Deathstrike and Kitty Pryde and even more Nightcrawler and Storm finally using her powers to bring some seriously crazy weather to play and that last vicious slash and... how can you NOT want to see this thing?!

Harry here! The X2 trailer doesn't really do it for me. Now I haven't read the script - so all the action and movement is pure trailer nonesense, but the only stuff that works in this trailer for me is the Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart stuff. I hate Pyro pointing his hand in the direction of cars and them just blowing up. I like Pyro sculpting flaming animated birds out of flame that attack the cars and make them blow up. After watching trailers for DAREDEVIL seeing the whole film SPIDER-MAN and looking at that HULK poster - I just don't like the whole look of X-MEN anymore. It feels cheap and ugly. The costume changes from the originals just don't pass for me anymore, because I've seen it work when they did it right. I want X-MEN to kick major ass - and Moriarty loves the script something fierce - but he and I come from different places on this stuff because I'm a chapter and verse X-MEN fan. I love Nightcrawler and seeing him all growling and ferocious isn't how I want to see Nightcrawler. I want to see Nightcrawler being charming, debonair and smooth. I want to see elegant long acrobatic pans that involve convenient fun teleportation where I hear BAMF and I smell sulphur in my theater! Halle Berry's Storm wig looks much better this time out. And I went frame by frame and can't seem to find anything that even vaguely looks like a Sentinel to me? But sometimes its hard to spot the GIANT ROBOT in a frame... maybe its just me. There's still nothing in any of the X2 trailers that has me sold on the film. Lady Deathstrike looks cool in that one shot, but the bad Wire-Fu leap of hers, reminds me of the bad wire-fu from the last film. I'm dying to see the film, but this trailer really had nothing to do with that. It's the hope that the script is actually good like Moriarty claims - and that it might actually kick ass - but I'd be lying if I didn't say I'm much more excited for HULK and the MATRIX sequels!

”The war has begun.” “Eric... what have you done?”

"Moriarty" out.

"Harry" out.

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T3
by Uga
Dec 18th, 2002
07:10:45 AM
Terminator looks old, in more ways than one.
by Andy Travis
Dec 18th, 2002
07:11:05 AM
T3 dont look half bad.
by Pageiv
Dec 18th, 2002
07:13:37 AM
Can someone...
by BlackDragon
Dec 18th, 2002
07:14:11 AM
the people at our Midnight screening for T.T weren't too impress
by MentallyMariah
Dec 18th, 2002
07:17:47 AM
Claire Danes firing a machine gun is the only reason i'm going t
by KID AB
Dec 18th, 2002
07:37:33 AM
No news for a week and then an intentionally divisive opinion pa
by Regicidal_Maniac
Dec 18th, 2002
07:42:06 AM
Fact: All these movies except X2 will suck donkey balls
by DoggyDaddi
Dec 18th, 2002
07:44:02 AM
WTF is Herc
by ThingsThatTimDog
Dec 18th, 2002
07:53:13 AM
X2--that trailer gave me chills. Chills, I tell you!!
by Noriko Takaya
Dec 18th, 2002
07:57:05 AM
Moriarty, Mario van Peebles and....
by EdHairless
Dec 18th, 2002
07:59:17 AM
FUCK YOU - T3 IS GONNA ROCK!
by DukeTheBastard
Dec 18th, 2002
08:18:50 AM
T3 trailer did it's job!!!
by ABking
Dec 18th, 2002
08:22:54 AM
The new female Terminator T-X even menstruates
by JAGUART
Dec 18th, 2002
08:26:43 AM
T3 looks fun, Bad Boys is goofy, X2 I'm worried about
by KONG33
Dec 18th, 2002
08:28:36 AM
T3 MUST BE R RATED!!!
by ABking
Dec 18th, 2002
08:38:38 AM
Save Edward Furlong
by Silvio Dante
Dec 18th, 2002
08:44:32 AM
Mori, some advice...
by drunkelvis
Dec 18th, 2002
08:44:56 AM
Does anyone think Harry is dissing Moriarty slightly?
by Conan_the_Humble
Dec 18th, 2002
09:01:42 AM
The Star Trek Next Generation movies are much better than the X-
by Steal_Dragon
Dec 18th, 2002
09:22:19 AM
Rise of the Nuggets
by MikeInMoncton
Dec 18th, 2002
09:24:25 AM
Moriarty's taste good. Harry's bad.
by Darth Siskel III
Dec 18th, 2002
09:33:01 AM
You got T3 and X2?
by rev_skarekroe
Dec 18th, 2002
09:38:28 AM
Only A Matter of Time
by alamogordo-dj
Dec 18th, 2002
09:50:46 AM
No Brad Fiedel Terminator theme? That's like James Bond without
by Larry_Talbot
Dec 18th, 2002
10:02:17 AM
atribiance you fucking idiot...
by TV CASUALTY
Dec 18th, 2002
10:02:19 AM
WTF!?!?!?!
by originalskoobx
Dec 18th, 2002
10:22:43 AM
"Two Trailer-Hatin' Dorks Go At It Online, At It Online, At It O
by jollydwarf
Dec 18th, 2002
10:23:27 AM
Michael Bay sucks ASS!!!!!
by The JackBULL
Dec 18th, 2002
10:25:19 AM
Does this Cyberdyne chassis make me look fat?
by Hiram Abiff
Dec 18th, 2002
10:34:54 AM
Harry, whats happening to you man?
by JangoFett1983
Dec 18th, 2002
10:42:39 AM
Wax on, wax off part 5-is that next? Sequels ain't equals..or so
by KingKarll
Dec 18th, 2002
10:47:59 AM
I would just like to note, on the subject of trailers, that the
by Lizzybeth
Dec 18th, 2002
10:49:33 AM
double standards?? Surely not
by Holderbater
Dec 18th, 2002
10:51:01 AM
ok
by ZO
Dec 18th, 2002
11:13:14 AM
atribiance, you're a funny guy...
by TV CASUALTY
Dec 18th, 2002
11:24:00 AM
Big step backwards for Will Smith
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Dec 18th, 2002
11:35:18 AM
Editing/Filming Error in TERMINATOR 3 TRAILER.
by MisterNeil
Dec 18th, 2002
11:35:37 AM
Lady Deathstrike
by Logansan
Dec 18th, 2002
11:42:52 AM
You guys shoudl do this more often, critiquing trailers. Maybe m
by Spacesheik
Dec 18th, 2002
11:44:37 AM
Brassmonkey...
by Noisybast
Dec 18th, 2002
11:47:10 AM
T3 PG-13? and Bad Boy B-movies.
by SlowBurn
Dec 18th, 2002
11:53:25 AM
I shouldn't get involved in this, but...
by Cutter's Way
Dec 18th, 2002
12:31:51 PM
I was pumped to see T3 - until that crap ass trailer
by asucolin
Dec 18th, 2002
12:36:24 PM
Moriarty Is God
by NickFoley
Dec 18th, 2002
12:42:51 PM
Harry One The Other Hand Is Lazy, and Think T3 Will Be Good
by NickFoley
Dec 18th, 2002
12:44:46 PM
Marco Beltrami said nothing about replacing the Terminator theme
by Hammer2Fall
Dec 18th, 2002
12:51:44 PM
Since when did Michael Bay start thinking he was John Woo?
by Blue Devil
Dec 18th, 2002
12:52:11 PM
Tough crowd
by reallyfedup
Dec 18th, 2002
12:57:13 PM
T3 has the kiss of death!
by esad
Dec 18th, 2002
12:58:16 PM
t3-looks lame
by lsher
Dec 18th, 2002
01:00:07 PM
Oh, by the way, that T3 trailer sucks!!!!!!!!!!!
by Blue Devil
Dec 18th, 2002
01:02:01 PM
Yes, yes, I know...
by Cutter's Way
Dec 18th, 2002
01:22:31 PM
Oh no!! its the toonsinator!!!!!
by anttila
Dec 18th, 2002
01:33:45 PM
There is NOT A SINGLE SHOT of a Sentinel in that trailer, but th
by NeofromtheMatrix
Dec 18th, 2002
01:34:07 PM
Whew
by Mac Styran
Dec 18th, 2002
01:36:36 PM
HMMM...I WONDER IF MORIARTY HAS A GIRLFRIEND, SINCE HE NEVER SEE
by IncredibleYoda
Dec 18th, 2002
01:39:06 PM
Atribiance
by originalskoobx
Dec 18th, 2002
01:39:36 PM
I'm confused by inconsistency in Harry's remarks.
by dorfer
Dec 18th, 2002
01:42:15 PM
cutter's way
by originalskoobx
Dec 18th, 2002
01:42:24 PM
originalskoobx
by Cutter's Way
Dec 18th, 2002
01:45:23 PM
T3
by originalskoobx
Dec 18th, 2002
01:47:19 PM
Some help with trailers...
by Hitman 739
Dec 18th, 2002
01:49:20 PM
Hey Atribiance
by Beddy Sidious
Dec 18th, 2002
01:50:18 PM
Why is Rollins in Bad Boys 2?
by TestGiver
Dec 18th, 2002
02:01:54 PM
Hey, does anyone know if Moriarty has a girlfriend?
by wash
Dec 18th, 2002
02:17:39 PM
french fries wedged into the seat
by imageburn13
Dec 18th, 2002
02:32:00 PM
T3 hasn't been rated yet!!!!
by Hammer2Fall
Dec 18th, 2002
02:32:29 PM
traliers, trailers and more darn trailers
by direktor
Dec 18th, 2002
02:32:34 PM
the mechanical bride
by Hud
Dec 18th, 2002
02:34:14 PM
Mori's the Master Bay Hater!
by Hud
Dec 18th, 2002
02:37:25 PM
"smell sulphur in my theater"
by Hud
Dec 18th, 2002
02:41:56 PM
"She'll be back" Bwa ha ha ha haha ha ha hehehe
by Zeldas
Dec 18th, 2002
02:50:08 PM
atribiance and Brassmonkey... thanks for screwing up the talkbac
by direktor
Dec 18th, 2002
02:50:35 PM
I think Moriarty should stage a coup...
by blckmgk13
Dec 18th, 2002
02:59:44 PM

by Wellesian
Dec 18th, 2002
03:35:44 PM
T3: Straight To Video
by darth_testine
Dec 18th, 2002
03:41:45 PM
X2 trailer was good and mysterious, T3 trailer was devoid of Lin
by Monkey_King
Dec 18th, 2002
03:55:58 PM
MaxMeridius, you're a complete idiot!
by YellowSubmariner
Dec 18th, 2002
03:59:34 PM
Marco Beltrami isn't the biggest hack in film scoring.
by Cash Bailey
Dec 18th, 2002
04:04:56 PM
hey Spacesheik
by Surf Ninja
Dec 18th, 2002
04:41:36 PM
T-3 trailer had me scratching my head
by Lobanhaki
Dec 18th, 2002
04:50:41 PM
"X2" looks awesome, "T3" looks, awesome, but "Bad Boys II" I'm a
by screenplaywriter
Dec 18th, 2002
04:55:58 PM
Nobody cares because they're all too busy watching TTT over and
by TooReal
Dec 18th, 2002
04:57:31 PM
Smell Of Sulphur In The Theatre?
by Spelunker Gregg
Dec 18th, 2002
05:12:20 PM
So yeah... I just wrote a long thing only to have it erased befo
by a goonie
Dec 18th, 2002
05:22:16 PM
T3
by SCOTTVADER
Dec 18th, 2002
06:10:27 PM
Opening shot...
by andreasingo
Dec 18th, 2002
06:30:04 PM

by Noriko Takaya
Dec 18th, 2002
07:27:50 PM
I think you mean a figurative shitstorm.
by bewareoftext
Dec 18th, 2002
07:35:33 PM
Like Moriarty, Harry also has a hot and sexy girlfriend
by eraser_x
Dec 18th, 2002
07:39:30 PM
Frame by frame Nightcrawler running....
by Da Great AKU
Dec 18th, 2002
07:46:10 PM
i wanna be steve
by quills
Dec 18th, 2002
07:55:19 PM
Will Smith backpedaling?
by E.C.
Dec 18th, 2002
08:06:35 PM
jpx, T3 won't be an "Alien 3"
by E.C.
Dec 18th, 2002
08:21:30 PM
MaxMeridius : "Whoopsie daisy, it's the..."
by Jack Parsons
Dec 18th, 2002
08:26:09 PM
T3 looks like a total cheesefest, and X2 looks very, very intere
by CoolDan989
Dec 18th, 2002
08:57:36 PM
Heres the right answer about the trailers
by therightanswer
Dec 18th, 2002
09:42:57 PM
dumbshits
by crawcraw
Dec 19th, 2002
12:06:07 AM
That T3 trailer was awful; the movie looks like a complete joke.
by JohnnyTremaine
Dec 19th, 2002
12:19:16 AM
More thoughts on T3
by darth_testine
Dec 19th, 2002
12:33:54 AM
T3, or Arnold's last ditch effort
by Super Mendez
Dec 19th, 2002
12:44:17 AM
TerminateWHORE 3 : Fall of my britches
by IAmJacksUserID
Dec 19th, 2002
12:47:43 AM
T3 looks frickin' terrible
by Heywood Jablowme
Dec 19th, 2002
12:58:47 AM
To call T3 a B-movie is an insult to Bruce Campbell.
by NJM
Dec 19th, 2002
01:03:52 AM
T3 will suck hard.
by Dookie Nukem 2D
Dec 19th, 2002
02:43:05 AM
Michael Bay can do action. Bad Boys 2 will own all your asses.
by VirgilHilts
Dec 19th, 2002
02:52:12 AM
TTT Question
by SlappyJoe
Dec 19th, 2002
02:54:52 AM
Michael Bay can do action movies no question. That's not an issu
by axelfoley
Dec 19th, 2002
04:06:49 AM
Harry's Smokin Some Shyt, X2 Looks AWESOME, But I can Understand
by The Founder
Dec 19th, 2002
04:41:31 AM

by onks
Dec 19th, 2002
05:21:22 AM
Need help with Quicktime
by onks
Dec 19th, 2002
06:08:45 AM
Brassmonkey...
by Noisybast
Dec 19th, 2002
08:14:44 AM
I also concur now that Micheal Bay has checked his pretension &
by Tall_Boy
Dec 19th, 2002
02:24:31 PM
"hearse" dammit not "hearst" you dillbags
by Looptid
Dec 19th, 2002
03:49:28 PM
No Cameron....No T3!
by simonbrock
Dec 19th, 2002
04:39:45 PM
T3
by Pissflaps
Dec 19th, 2002
06:13:28 PM
Bad Boys 2, T3 (Arnie is OLD!)
by Jack Burton
Dec 19th, 2002
08:46:57 PM
Yes?
by The Assmonkey
Dec 19th, 2002
11:21:58 PM
well now...
by Mithril
Dec 20th, 2002
03:46:35 AM
Since everyone's obsessing about the Terminator 3 trailer...
by BillBrasky2620
Dec 20th, 2002
06:12:01 AM
You're all Losers
by Motopop
Dec 20th, 2002
08:52:50 PM
T-3 will rock your prosthetic elvish ears off.
by baxide3325
Dec 21st, 2002
12:55:42 AM
T3
by 260298
Dec 21st, 2002
03:00:43 PM
T-X... Designed for X-treme combat
by Roxbott
Dec 21st, 2002
04:08:50 PM
does anyone else savor the irony...
by Roxbott
Dec 21st, 2002
04:10:50 PM
Have you ever thought T3 might actually be good?
by Ghostface01
Dec 21st, 2002
11:09:52 PM

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