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Interview tidbits with Tim Burton

First by David Fincher	Aug 14th, 2001 05:19:08 PM
Hey Harry. Great artical!
Ok, I wasn't first. Better luck next time huh? by David Fincher	Aug 14th, 2001 05:20:39 PM
I don't normaly do the "first" thing. Bu I thought I'd do it for fun. But I wasn't first. No big deal -Paul
Jesus Clones @ level-nine.com by charltonsect	Aug 14th, 2001 05:25:17 PM
http://level-nine.com/jesusclo ne.htm poor vincent.
Beetlejuice by Geno200	Aug 14th, 2001 05:38:18 PM
Meh, I dunno what everybody else thinks o' this article, but I'm pretty psyched about a Beetlejuice 2. I know nuttin's set in stone at all, but it'd be pretty sweet. I love the original. Especially his Cowboy commercial for a Bio-exsorcist "I'll eat anything ya want me to eat I'll swallow anything ya want me to swallow so come on down I'll..... chew on a dog! Hooooowl!"
Anyone see Lisa Marie (Burton's honey) hosting Exposure on Sci-f by SethShandor	Aug 14th, 2001 05:43:37 PM
Wearing skimpy, tight sci-fi outfits... it's nice. You immediately see why he doesn't give her too many lines in his movies though. Hollywood arm candy. Now Kevin Smith's wife? Good looking and I bet you can even have a decent conversation with her too!
Man with X-Ray Eyes by ItsOver	Aug 14th, 2001 06:34:24 PM
Has anyone else seen this movie? Its a trip. It has a sort of psychedelic and primitive special effect theme that has the sort of charm that CGI would have difficulty reproducing. Nonetheless, I think its one of the few films ripe for a well done remake. After shitting the bed on Apes, I just don't know about Burton.**** Does anyone else think Lisa Marie isn't human. I swear Burton built her out of a kit.
It's not cool to make fun of ... by Human Tornado	Aug 14th, 2001 06:44:01 PM
... other people's replicants. Lisa Marie was actually build with cloned parts from b-movie actresses and vintage porn vixens, but that doesn't make her less human - well, not less human than Burton, I guess ;D
Lisa Marie by ItsOver	Aug 14th, 2001 07:00:09 PM
Actually I heard she was 80% soy by product, and only 20% b-movie actress and vintage vixen. Oh and a dash of orange juice.
Spin the Bottle by Sraven	Aug 14th, 2001 07:18:25 PM
Burton a genius? Not sure I do like most of his stuff, but maybe its just he is so weird he comes up with fresh stuff. But now his weirdness is known and the magic is gone. (Please ban "Anywho" is sucks greatly)
Check out another Burton interview in the latest MEAN magazine. by Monkey_King	Aug 14th, 2001 07:19:45 PM
Not only do they have a good interview with Tim Burton, but they also have one with his hottie girlfriend who is now hosting EXPOSURE on the Sci-Fi Channel and a great interview with John Carpenter on the state of modern films and his thoughts on the industry.
LisaMarie and Burtonization... by Be like water	Aug 14th, 2001 08:11:39 PM
Well we already discussed Lisa Marie, didn't we? Whatever she is she's not human. Still she's eminently lovable in all sorts of ways. So what if he is as vapid as most of Burton's scripts? The point in Burton is dreamlife, imagination, otherworldly vision--quite simply the man shows us worlds we would never see otherwise--with a wittiness and smartness that the David Fincher(s) of the world just can't muster in their "darkness." Give Burton a break--it sounds like he went through real utter hell on that Superman production. If he's still feeling it, it had to be some bad BB syndrome. And I'll ask here because it's being asked everywhere: Is Hollywood ready for Jay and Silent Bob? Just saw a new commercial with Jules Asner. I knew E's Stevey K. was in this film but cutey-hottie JULES??!! I was already there opening day but now I'll be there opening show!! Jules: "...Expletive...quote...explet ive...expletive..." Jules. ahhhhh Jules....I'll take you over Hollywood's dream-makeover-Penelope-Julia- new-hot-actress of the week anyday! Jules can butter me up anytime... I am JackMercy.
Smartypants SithMaster, so how did the ending happen? by DomisInnerChild	Aug 14th, 2001 09:34:07 PM
All I can think of is... 1) The genetically engineered monkey went to Earth before saving Marky Mark and banged some primative tail (and then Earth somehow developed 20th centrury American culture because it's so cool). 2) Roth busted out, whipped some human until they swam to get Marky Mark's ship, repaired it by sniffing the proper parts, watched some Pinky and the Brain, and took over the world. 3) The rift caused two parallel universes where the ship with the monkeys crashed on Earth in one and on the planet we saw in the other. Again with the American culture thing. 4) You really all are monkies in rubber masks. I have to tell ya, these all seem pretty lame. Wouldn't you be pissed if at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark if they opened the Ark and a bunch of animal cookie ran out? Then the audience was left to figure out how that could happen. Nope, you're right, it would make you think.
Burton can't tell a good script from a bad script? by hktelemacher	Aug 14th, 2001 10:17:25 PM
With so much re-writing in the Hollywood studio system, I don't think Burton cares much about the flow of story or the characterization when he chooses a project. Burton is probably looking more for the visual and the overall thematic elements of the story when he selects a project that hhe hasn't originated. He needs to stick to only talented writers, not like the two cats who wrote Superman IV: Quest for Peace for a page-one rewrite on POTA. Has anyone read Andrew Kevin Walker's Sleepy Hollow not revised by Tom Stoppard, it's much darker and much better than what hit the screen. The producers should have enough sense to hire a good writer for the initial draft, but should contract them to re-writes instead of bringing another writer on-board the project mid-stream. Consistency of vision on all fronts will make a consisent and cohesive script. Ed Wood was written and Burton agreed to film it as it was, so he doesn't have terrible taste, or even a lack of taste. Basically, the way to solve a problem is not to throw work at the team who wrote Superman IV - that's a lesson for everyone in Hollywood. Burton's best have at their very base a GOOD STORY - forget characters, plot flow, act structure - the stories themselves are always appealing. As for his next project - it's time for something that stems from Burton at it's origins the same way Edward Scissorhands or Nightmare Before Christmas did. A good morbid Burton concept and a good screenwriter (few and far between) would kick major ass. POTA, while interesting, was a step backward from Sleepy Hollow, which totally repented for how weak Mars Attacks was following the incredible Ed Wood. Every other film Burton directs is great, while the ones between are only above-average visual feasts, so here's hoping for the next one.
maybe I'm an asshole but... by QuizKidDonnie	Aug 15th, 2001 07:05:11 AM
...I'm always interested in the personal lives of my favorite entertainers and creators, and after reading his Playboy interview, I think Tim Burton needs to call his mom. It's no Darrell Hammond story, it sounds to me like he's estranged from his family for no good reason, other than everybody's feeeelings are hurt. I was estranged from my old man for ten years, just from both of us being stubborn, and I'm glad I finally let it go and called the guy, and I think Tim Burton should do the same.
Confused by Emperor Allmon	Aug 15th, 2001 07:21:02 AM
I an not really sure how someone who takes pride in not reading comic books gets control over projects like Supermand, Batman, or Catwoman.
BURTON DISSES "CITIZEN SMITH" ON BRIT TV by terminal	Aug 15th, 2001 11:19:40 AM
I was just watching a movie show in England called the movie chart show, in which Tim Burton was doing promotion for POTA.during the interview, when asked about his thoughts on Kevin Smith's comments about stealing his ending, he gave a pretty hilarious reply, which I'll paraphrase. BURTON ON SMITH: "what is it with this guy.he's always on the phone or on the internet or whatever blabbing away.when does he find time to work.who is this guy anyway.did'nt he do CITEZEN KANE". I take the sarcastic Kane reference to mean that Burton does'nt think much of the Quality of Smith's films.though I might catch some flak for this, compared to Burton, Smith is a hack.as long as Smith sticks to his slacker/gen X/New Jersey Woody Allen niche market, he'll be fine, but I don't see him doing great things outside of this tiny world he inhabits his films in.the early 90's are long over, and he can only do this slacker schickt for so long.Burton has Ed WOOD,EDWARD SCISSORHANDS,SLEEPY HOLLOW,BATMAN.Smith has Mallrats and Dogma.no comparison.
i've had enough by op94	Aug 15th, 2001 01:32:13 PM
i don't usually partake in these, but i felt the desire to chime in here. i don't know about the rest of you, but tim burton no longer gets my 'benefit of the doubt'. i will no longer get excited about a film in prep simply by him being attached. this is certainly due to his last two films. 'sleepy hollow' should've been phenomenal, and it was for the first 75%, but that ending, that 'miranda richardson literally explaining the entire plot over ten minutes' was simply bad. and then, well, 'planet' needs no explanation, i feel the same way that pretty much everyone else does. that ending was retarded. sorry tim, you're to the back of the line in my book now. you've got to work for it. and try something original now, huh?
I'd like to hear what Moriarty thought of POTA by darthflagg	Aug 15th, 2001 02:41:37 PM
Cause I'm beginning to think I'm the only Burton fan who actually enjoyed that film. I just don't understand the anger over POTA and it's tongue in cheek ending. Burton gets criticised for making all his movies the same, but when he directs something that doesn't feel like the typical Burton film, people dis him even more. What gives?
To hell with Kevin Smith... by BarkingShins	Aug 15th, 2001 04:16:08 PM
What is the big deal with Kevin Smith movies? They're awful to the point of being nearly unwatchable!! From "Clerks" to "Dogma" I have consistently despised every film he's done. Personally, I think that the only thing Kevin Smith is a "master" of is the ability to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the movie-going public. His humor is cliched, sophomoric and an insult to any reasonably educated person's intelligence. Doesn't anybody else see this? His only real success has been the characters Jay and Silent Bob...that's it!! He will continue to milk these two lame characters until they become as nauseating as Pauly Shore became in the early-nineties. Count on it!! They are already well past that for me. In fact, I think my favorite movie of his has yet to be made...the title: "Jay and Silent Bob Eat Shit and Die!"
Barkinshins... no by DomisInnerChild	Aug 15th, 2001 04:31:33 PM
While not much to look at, Smith films have things Burton films will never have. Usually a plot (unless it's going straight for laughs), great lines, and usually a point. Just my opinion, but I'd watch Clerks or Chasing Amy any day over a Tim Burton movie. He has his cool style that covers for weak scripts, but Tim Burton simply isn't that great. Other than visuals, POTA was lame, Sleepy Hollow was boring, Batman good for its time but not aging well, Batman Returns was garbage, Beetlejuice decent, Edward Sissorhands quirky but forgetable, Nightmare Before Christmas okay, and the rest I'll haven't seen.
Domi's inner child, how convenient.... by terminal	Aug 15th, 2001 05:23:18 PM
...that you've never seen ED WOOD.even if We were all to accept your rather pedantic views on the few Burton films you claim to have seen (Edward Scissorhands, forgettable?!!? on what planet), after ED WOOD, Burton would never have to make another film again to prove how good he is.stunning visually (best use of monochrome since Raging Bull), touching and farcical at the same time, with Oscar worthy performances from all the principals and an Oscar winning performance by Martin Landau.a genuine, accepted by all, cinematic tour de force.in short, the kind of film Kevin Smith is totally incapable of making.don't get me wrong, I don't dislike Smith or his films. (well, that's a lie.except for the dialogue of Clerks and parts of Chasing Amy, I am not a big fan.but unlike you, at least I can claim to have seen more than a quarter of his films.that would be like me judging Ridley Scott based on White Squall, GI JANE and SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME, then turning round and saying I've never seen Blade Runner or Alien.people would rightly laugh me out of the building) unlike some, I am cognizant enough to realise that while entertaining at times, Smiths films are lightweight, attracting "cult" status only because they are blatantly written to the type of demographic who are into "cult"=ie/ geeky" stuff in the first place (stuff like comics, BUFFY, being a middle class, 29 year old white suburbanite who still skateboards.you get the drift).like Micheal Cimino, with the DEER HUNTER, Burton has already produced a single work (ED WOOD), that will go down as a cinematic great.if you think Chasing Amy or Dogma are in that sort of class, that's nice, but the rest of the world knows better and simply accepts them for the well written, lightweight comedies they are.I hope (but seriously doubt) that Kevin Smith will one day make his cinematic tour de force, with the stunning visuals, Oscar worthy performances ect.but it won't happen.Smith can Write, but he is not a particularly good or imaginative director.for all the guff people talk about his writing skills and Burton's lack of them, they are directors.writing is a surplus skill.Ed Wood showed that Burton could get his hands on a great script and produce a sparkly, tightly plotted film, that looks amazing.simth could never have a good script AND amazing visuals.he does'nt have the ability to create good visuals.whereas Burton does'nt need the ability to write good scripts.that's what screen writers are for.
just a thought... by garumphul	Aug 15th, 2001 07:29:57 PM
I'd love to see Burton do a small film again. Frankly, Ed Wood was (to quote a personal favourite movie line) merely a blip on an otherwise uninterrupted downward spiral. I would like to see him coax a good movie out of his talent rather than a thousand test screenings and a 9-digit budget. As somebody said earlier, I find myself being far from excited about seeing Burton's name attached to a project. All I think now is "oh shit, how is he going to fuck this one up?" That isn't good. As for this strange comparison between Burton and Kevin Smith... bullshit, totally different directors working in totally different milieu. But woudln't it be nice for us all to go to a film that had Tim Burton's visual flair married to Kevin Smith's ear for dialogue? Wouldn't that be better than any of the total crap being laid before us this year?
Terminal, how does not seeing Ed Wood mean I've missed 1/4 of Bu by DomisInnerChild	Aug 15th, 2001 07:38:52 PM
I missed Ed Wood mostly because Sleepy Hollow was supposed to be so great and wonderful and well... not. I was pretty down on Deep after being forced to se the Astronaughts Wife at that time too. Hell, I saw Frankenweinie or whatever it was a couple of months ago. What was so special about Edward S.? I think I've seen it three times total between cable and at the movies. I guess that magical world was just too neat for me. I seriously barely remember anything about it. Anthony Michael Hall was a bully, Rider was Rider, Deep was how Tim Burton sees himself. He cuts some trees and gave some people haircuts but really just wanted to be a real boy or whatever the lifted point was. It had no effect on me, what can I say? In my opinion, Burton movies are nice to look at but boring for the most part. Smith movies can be childish at times, but he makes up for it dealing with issues other than the eternal Burton message of how mistreated yet wonderful our freaks are. It's just like enough already, go bang your plastic girlfriend and reimagine Jack and the Giant Peach.
Tim Burtons The Shit by brokenspeaker	Aug 15th, 2001 08:27:35 PM
I'm not getting into the whole Smith vs Burton debate because no matter how much you dickheads try to rationalize who's better, your opinions are still going to be subjective. For every person who hates Burton there's someone who loves him and the same goes for Smith. Ed Wood was truly inspirational and a soulful work of art, it was ahead of it's time. Their movies affect different types of people. As for Smith, he possesses his own unique style, a style you can't even compare to fuckin Burtons. It would be like saying Capra was a better director than Kazan or Scorcese's better than Spielberg, they're different kind of directors, it's all fuckin subjective.
Domi's inner child... by terminal	Aug 15th, 2001 08:59:32 PM
I don't dispute your right not to like Edward S, I'm just disputing the fact that you choose to call it forgettable.whether you think it's the worst film in creation, forgettable is about the last adjective, I would attach to that film.it was visually and thematically very memorable. if you seriously want to critically appraise Burton, I implore you to watch ED WOOD.it's easily his masterpiece and it would be akin to me appraising Speilberg and Kubrick with what are considered by most to be their best cinematic achievements (Schindler's list and 2001-A space oddessy).both their reputations would be altered immensely by the omission of those single films, especially Kubrick, who was'nt exactly prolific.without Schindler's list, Speilberg would be stuck with the rep of a child friendly popcorn guy who when it came to serious issues, dealt with them clumsily (COLOUR PURPLE, AMISTAD).Watch Ed Wood, and if you still hold the same opinion of Burton after that, then at least you will be fully informed of his best work.till I saw Ed Wood, I, like yourself, was somewhat jaded by the whole gothic thing of Burton.but this one film, reaffirmed my faith in the creative power of cinema.and nobody can complain about plotting or script in this film. As for Smith,he is too in love with the sound of his own writing.his best film (CHASING AMY) is also one of his most flawed.the whole BANKY the raging homophobe as a repressed homosexual is one of the most cliched,clunky plot devices in cinema.it was cliched in American Beauty, but Smith handled his with even less subtlety than a gun to the back of Kevin Spacey's head.I gather that JAY , the other view askew raging homophobe is also supposedly turning out to be a (surprise,surprise) a repressed homosexual.this is how Smith deals with serious issues.with cliched dime store psychology.the guy even repeated the same goddamn awful cliche twice.he's in his element when dealing with lightweight topics such as "rugmunching technique", "comix" or "gen X slacker lingo".his just using big themes (religion, ect.) impresses the easily impressed.if he handled them competently instead of falling back on cliches, I would find it a lot more palatable.otherwise he should just stick to talking about "SNOOTCHIE-BOOTCHIES" or whatever other juvenille nonsense he feels like spawning.
Edward Scissorhands was a masterpiece! by darthflagg	Aug 16th, 2001 12:33:09 AM
The most beautiful and moving film ever. I wouldn't trust the opinion of anyone who didn't like it.
POTA official site has ending explanation and sequel info. SPOIL by Regicidal_Maniac	Aug 16th, 2001 01:37:10 AM
In answer to the question of the ending of POTA and a possible sequel head on over to the official site and read Leo Davidson's bio. Under the headings MAURO and SPACECRAFT there is this info "As interesting as Leo Davidson's clothes were, the most amazing discovery was not made until the winter of Thade's tyranny. An Ape Action Committe, led by Ari, the daughter of the high ranking Senator Sandar, finally received senate approval to dredge the Mauro Bog in search of the so called 'mythical' spacecraft that Leo Davidson used to reach our planet." "Once salvaged from the bottom of Lower Mauro Bog, "the Spacecraft" was the focus of intense study and speculation as nothing like it had ever been seen before. Since the dat Leo Davidson arrived at Ape City, Ape and humans alike had considered "The Spacecraft" something out of a child's fantasy. Its discovery and resurrection subsequently presented more questions than it did answers."_____________________ ______________________________ ________ So clearly Thade convinced some of his remaining supporters to let him out somehow whereupon he jumped onboard Delta Pod and flew back in time to Earth and took over before Leo got back. Burton is a genius director. POTA ruled as do all of Burton's films. The reason is that he is a highly imaginative visual director. Any idiot can direct a film (see Schumacher's continuing career) but only a director with a strong aesthetic sense can direct memorable visual feasts such as ANY of Burton's films.
I thought we already determined that ending was crummy by DomisInnerChild	Aug 16th, 2001 07:15:04 AM
So Thade didn't starve to death, busted out, got the humans to pull the ship out the water, sniffed the proper conrols, and took over the Earth single handedly? Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my butt. The ending was a cheat and felt tacked on more as a set up for the sequel than real ending.

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