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A look at Ted Tally's RED DRAGON Script!!!

Oww Baby!! by MonkE	May 4th, 2001 03:37:06 AM
I hope it really is that good... better than load of crap Hannibal!!
Okay I'm being Harsh!!... by MonkE	May 4th, 2001 03:41:57 AM
It wasn't that bad but it was incredibly bland... apart from the brain bit... that had me on edge!!
Manhunter by IKillSlingers	May 4th, 2001 03:41:58 AM
Since Ted Tally is such an excellent screenwriter, I won't fly off the handle and start bashing the film. "Manhunter" is one of my favorite movies of the 80s and when I heard that they were remaking it, I went nuts with rage--thinking that it would be another bullshit Hannibal (superhuman cartoon serial killer) film. No matter what happens, William Peterson will always be Will Graham for me. He was so fucking cool! As for Hopkins, he should let it go. His masterpiece acting was SotL, and he'll never reach that level of creepiness again--mark my words. MANHUNTER FOREVER!
Dodgey music by oisin the man	May 4th, 2001 03:59:11 AM
Manhunter wasnt bad but what about the crap score, I think they should leave well enough alone. SOL was great Hannibal was good so why ruin it by makin another just for moneys sake.
But Hannibal wasn't a thriller! by RevSam	May 4th, 2001 04:53:43 AM
Sure it some elements of a thriller in it, but over all, it was not a thriller...
Bullshit and reality by Logansan	May 4th, 2001 05:00:41 AM
We have heard this before, haven't we? I remember every body having an orgasm over that worth less piece of shit movie Hannibal. I read so many reviews on AICN about script, the early screening, etc. All of them were like Hannibal this, Hannibal that, great Oscar calibre performances
Manhunter Music by 8-Track	May 4th, 2001 05:12:07 AM
Dodgey? The music in Manhunter was one of the best parts! There was that wonderful, slow Shriekback song while the blind chick stroked the tiger. And In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida has always seemed really creepy ever since they had it blaring in that dark room at the end. The only improvement they could make to Manhunter would be to leave out the reporter's bright purple suit and perm.
"Red Dragon" question by thehowler	May 4th, 2001 05:33:13 AM
I heard somewhere online that the upcoming Red Dragon would be BOTH a prequel and a sequel to Hannibal and SOTL. Is that true or is it just a prequel?
Casting for Red Dragon!!! by MonkE	May 4th, 2001 05:58:00 AM
I'm for Danny DeVito as Lecter!!!...
FRANCIS DOLARHYDE!?!?!?! by BenDaRas	May 4th, 2001 06:12:17 AM
did anyone read this book? I mena is there ever gonna be a mention of this character becuase he was kinda (and by kinda I mean intrinsically) important to the story, far more than Hannible was. Yet so far no mention in the talks of the script. I'd love another Hannible movie but I hope they don't ruin the RED DRAGON story.
Where have all the posts gone? by Splinter	May 4th, 2001 06:15:11 AM
What happened?
Oh btw... SECOND!!!! by MonkE	May 4th, 2001 06:36:23 AM
Actually on second thoughts... maybe Pauly Shore as Hannibal(Well Ridley Scott did say Hannibal was funny!!!), and Jim Carrey as Will Graham(cause he's a bit mad, yet can do serious), and Steven Seagal as Francis Dolarhyde (because it'd be nice to see him do something different!!)....
A few comments by Pietro_Kozlowski	May 4th, 2001 06:43:49 AM
Although the idea of Russell Crowe as Will Graham is very intriguing, I'm afraid my first choice is bringing back Bill Peterson to the role. Albeit his current "CSI" gig is basically a repackaged Graham anyway, so Peterson might resist a callback to "Red Dragon." Otherwise, I'd omit Hopkins from this version. Even with CGI de-aging technology, I doubt that many would buy him as a young Lector. Instead, I'd go with Jude Law as the doctor. Finally, has anyone (including Tally) considered by-passing a remake on "Red Dragon" entirely in favor for the tale of how Graham nabbed Lector to begin with? Although the story is alluded to in "Dragon" and "Manhunter" it's never been completely told.
Prequel is the way to go by CYBERSTAIN	May 4th, 2001 09:04:23 AM
I agree that an interesting movie could be made about how Graham caught Lecter.Manhunter doesn't need to be remade.Aside from the dated music, some of which worked actually, it was a good movie.
Tom Noonan by Frank Black	May 4th, 2001 09:37:08 AM
Tom Noonan frequents the store I manage and was very upset when I told him months ago about the rumors of remaking Manhunter. He said that it was the one thing people would remember him for, but I don't see why he couldn't play the character again if they insist on remaking this. He looks very young and menacing in the "Knockaround Guys" trailer, and especially so walking with his kids in the E.Village. As for Hopkins, after "Hannibal" he might want to reconsider reprising the role. I have seen scarier shadows. It was a well photographed tv movie with gore. The book was silly, but I liked the ending so much more than this piece of crap. The audience laughed the whole time. I don't understand how it did so much repeat business.
To tell the story on how Will Graham... by basara	May 4th, 2001 09:48:48 AM
...Caught Lecter you would need Thomas Harris to write a novel about it first. Don't hold your breath given his track record (a little over a decade between Silence and Hannibal). There would be a serious problem If they ever made a Hannibal movie without a Harris novel behind it.
Manhunter = Bad '80's Flashback by Mickey Ribs	May 4th, 2001 10:00:00 AM
Some friends and I rented Manhunter a few weeks ago on DVD, and it is screaming for a remake. As good as Mann is he was in Miami Vice form, as the ENTIRE movie looks ridiculously dated today. Look at the asylum, in Silence it was dark and forboding, in Manhunter it looked like a shopping mall. The point the movie lost us though, was when Graham and his wife's kid are in the grocery store talking about his past, and they stop in front of the old school Count Chocula boxes as the kid asks (and this is pretty much a direct quote here...) "Do you like this Folgers stuff?". After laughing for a few minutes over that, the movie lost whatever edge it had.
everything LECTOR by KyleKrane	May 4th, 2001 10:15:51 AM
Manhunter rules. I think it's great that its being remade. I thought SOTL blew ass and Hannibal was ok (if you look at it the right way). I think Tim Roth would make a good Will Grahm and Gary Oldman would make a great Hannibal. Any way, cant wait for this one...
Lay off Manhunter by dhjet73	May 4th, 2001 10:31:22 AM
I'm not sure that rehashing 'Manhunter' is a great idea or not but I think that the it does the book justice and should be givin it's proper respect. It always pisses me off when someone babbles on about how wonderful 'Silence' was and when you mention 'Manhunter' all you get is a dumbstruck face. Never forget those who came before you esp. when they did a great job.
Silence by Bruce T Shark	May 4th, 2001 10:44:45 AM
I have always thought that SOTL is one of the most over rated winners of best picture ever (we won't even mention Shakespeare in Love) but the thought that they're gonna remake Red Dragon (Manhunter) just chills my blood. This film is bloody brilliant. Will Petersen is so dark and broody, he's almost scarier than than the villain. Brian Cox plays Lecter completely straight and is all the more sinister for it, knocks spots off Hopkins pantomime version. Okey dokey indeed. The whole film just oozes class and should have a protection order slapped on it immediately. After all no one would dare suggest repainting the Mona Lisa.
shitty book=shitty adaptation... by Chow Yun Phat	May 4th, 2001 11:20:32 AM
Has anyone read Hannibal? It's a crappy book, so why the shock when the movie blew? Red Dragon on the other hand is Thomas Harris' best hands down. Looking forward to a more loyal adaptation. The ending to Manhunter was totally different than Red Dragon. Nring it on!
Noonan was miscast, Dolarhyde was a fucking body builder, with j by darthshatner	May 4th, 2001 11:45:16 AM
What did Mann think, get some tall guy with a slightly malformed face, have him tilt his head a lot and stare... Ooohh booga booga, don't let him near your sister. What a bunch of horse shit! And Noonan has done the same creepy guy schtick in movies ever since: Robo-Cop 2, Last Action Hero, and even an episode of the X-Files.
What's the point? by Batutta	May 4th, 2001 12:26:42 PM
The Silence of the Lambs is basically a refinement of the ideas Thomas Harris started with Red Dragon, so why make an inferior version of the same story. Don't get me wrong. Red Dragon was a damn good book, and Manhunter is a decent movie, but both the book and movie versions of Silence are better works. Unless they depart radically from Thomas Harris's book, I don't see any point in doing this movie, other than milking the Hannibal Lecter cash cow.
Red Dragon and Hannibal sequel by The Paragon	May 4th, 2001 12:58:32 PM
For one I think there is a need to remake Manhunter. The original was a good film but focussed on the wrong and less interesting character. In the book Francis was the one who really kept you reading because you couldn't wait to learn more about him or what he would do next. A movie with more focus on him will be good. As for casting, well I've been thinking about this for a while now. I feel Guy Pearce would fit the role of Will Graham. He was my first choice when I heard about the possibility of this movie and after seeing Memento he has defenitly got my vote. He just feels like the actor who can do the complex Graham justice. I never thought anyone could play Hannibal but Hopkins but when I heard Jude Law's name for some reason I didn't find that bad an idea. Although, is it not Hopkins who will pull the crowd into the cinema because to the public he IS Hannibal Lecter? Lets just hopes it's the Hannibal from Silence and not the camp catchphrase spouting Hannibal from...well...Hannibal. Putting him back in the cell will mean he will have to revert to his old ways and I can't wait for that. As for the Red Dragon himself...I really don't know. The hairlip makes me think of Joaquin Phoenix and his quiet intensity but whether or not he could play the Dragon is another story. I agree with the guy who said Tom Noonan should return. He was defenitly how I saw the character although he wasn't exactly the beefed up guy you read about in the book. It'll be interesting to see who gets cast in the next few months. As for directing, No Ridley Scott please. As much as I respect him for his better films, his Hannibal was devoid of any soul. Nolan or even better, Fincher sound like the guys who would make it special. For all those who hated Hannibal I have to say I was also dissapointed, but I didn't hate it. My major deal was there was no real advance in story. At the start of the movie Clarice was in trouble with the FBI still dreaming of Lecter and Hannibal was on the run from the police. At the end of the movie both characters are in the exact same position. No one got anywhere unlike in Silence when the characters were completely different from at the start of the movie. Lets hope Hannibal will eventually be remembered as the rather dull stepping stone to a much better sequel.
Hugh Jackman for Graham, David Rasche for Hannibal by W3bzpinn3r	May 4th, 2001 02:34:54 PM
PERFECT casting there, my friends. Jackman, from X-Men, has the 'uneasy psycho' look down, and David Rashe (Sledgehammer and Nurses tv shows) looks similar to Hopkins, and can be evil too!
T-Catchu by Logansan	May 4th, 2001 05:14:12 PM
Just wante to let you know that I love your casting Idea, specially on my new God , Hugh Jackman!
the asylum in Manhunter is actually the High Museum of Art in At by DT	May 4th, 2001 05:38:04 PM
When I saw it, I was like , Lecter hangs out there ? Guess they shot a lot in ATL.
Hopkins & Crowe by MrFrost	May 4th, 2001 07:25:55 PM
MANHUNTER is somewhat of a overlooked gem (despite it being a tad dated in its 80's look), and I wouldn't want to see it reshaped into some silly Hollywood horseshit. The Hannibal Lecter character in MANHUNTER was probably the scariest of all the films. Hopkin's version in SOTL comes in 2nd, and seems more on the creepy side than utterly frightening. If they do a remake of MANHUNTER, I don't see it coming off without Hopkins in it. I like Will Peterson a lot, and think it would be a neat way to tie all the films together by having him reprise the roll. If not, Russel Crowe would be very cool as Graham too.
Manhunter sucks by darth kubrick	May 4th, 2001 08:31:41 PM
Its so pathetic to read every dillusional one of you applaud a movie which, in the grand scheme of things, is nothing more than an also ran in the world of movies. manhunter sucks. you should be grateful that the hollywood machine is going to spend some money making something besides a teen love flick with ryan phillipe or freddie prinze, jr. tally is a great screenwriter. silence of the lambs and hannibal rise above manhunter if for no other reason than the caliber of talent which worked on them. hopkins is the definitive hannibal. this is not like picking your favorite james bond. not even close, bud. demme and scott are autuer/directors. mann only came into his own during the past 10 years. manhunter is horribly dated. it does not compare to silence or hannibal and it will be forgotten by all but you pathertic losers once they make this new movie. i'll be first in line.
DeNiro as Graham, Malkovich as Dolarhyde by The UnGod	May 4th, 2001 08:49:22 PM
Think of the emotions that Deniro can show in his face as Wil confronts the horrors in his own head!
Methinks Darth Kubrick is a disgrace to both of his namesakes. by DarthEric	May 4th, 2001 08:52:24 PM

And another thing.... by DarthEric	May 4th, 2001 08:56:06 PM
I get so sick and tired of hearing people say a movie sucks because it is "dated". What the hell does that mean? Ummmm, of course it looks dated. What, are the film makers supposed to be fucking psychics? I mean, I bet you watch "The French Connection" and think, wow, how 21st century.....of course you fucking don't!!! The movie was made in the seventies, set in the seventies, is seventies all around. Well, guess what? "Manhunter" was made in the 80s, set in the 80s, and is 80s all around. I mean, no one bitches about Dirty Harry....Lalo Schifrin's jazz score wouldnt work now, just like the synth score to Manhunter wouldnt work now....this is just the nature of movies....fuck, even Star Wars is "dated".....I mean, just take a gander at Mark Hammil's hair next time you watch it...
Manhunter by gareth98	May 4th, 2001 10:56:45 PM
I like manhunter but there's some great bits in the book which were left out. There could be many reasons why but I don't think that really matters. There's room for a different interpretation without resorting to a Hannibal-like gorefest. They don't NEED to remake it but there is no reason why they shouldn't try.
De Niro by gareth98	May 4th, 2001 11:00:27 PM
De Niro is a god-damb legend but he is too old for Graham. He could hjave played him 10 or so years ago. Stilla good choice but not quite right.
you can stick your 'new for old' idea up yer arse... by reni	May 5th, 2001 02:57:25 AM
The only way I'm gonna be happy about any of this is if they get Will Petersen back for it....
Open letter to Ted Tally... by reni	May 5th, 2001 03:08:09 AM
Ask Will Petersen to play Graham... I'll be alright with it... Anyone want to join in with this, feel free...
RED DRAGON SPOILER by chachiHATESjoani	May 5th, 2001 04:33:53 PM
THE SPOILER THAT THIS DIPWAD DOESNT WANT TO GIVE AWAY IS HANNIBAL GETTING GRAHAM AND SLICING UP HIS FACE.READ THE BOOK.
this review & my namesake & music by darth kubrick	May 5th, 2001 06:32:42 PM
anyone who has read 'red dragon' could have written this vague review. also anyone who thinks kubrick wrote 'a.i.' is dreaming. he didn't work that way. it wasn't sitting on a shelf in his house. he was working on ways to shoot the story. whatever stevie turns out is not stanley's responsibility. by the way synth scores don't always date. the music from 'apocalypse now' and 'the shining' comes to mind. yes, you may imagine an orchestral mood inducer by williams, goldsmith or silvestri, but that doesn't mean that alternative scoring is going to spoil the movie. and comparing a jazz score to a synth score is just not fair. jazz adds class to movies even today. 'the talented mr. ripley' wasn't great but the jazz was used in it so well and its only a few years old. can we try to have one talkback without palying the 'star wars' card? i betcha they really did have those shag hair cuts a long time ago in a galaxy far, far way.
here's an idea: rather than remake 'manhunter' as 'red dragon'.. by tommy5tone	May 5th, 2001 10:52:50 PM
...why not do a film about will graham's hunt for hannibal lecter, as alluded to in both film and novel? get ted tally to script, with input from thomas harris. as harry previously suggested, get fincher or christopher nolan in to direct. russell crowe or guy pearce as graham. DEFINITELY ralph fiennes as lecter. 'manhunter' purists (like five-tone) are happy. lecter enthusiasts are happy. if it's done right, thriller fans and gorehounds are happy. if i'm guilty of anything, it's that i care too much...i'm tommy five-tone.
on the subject of Michael Mann, by ol' painless	May 6th, 2001 02:57:04 AM
has anyone else seen his early film "the Keep?" If not, find it, because it is some SERIOUSLY CREEPY SHIT. Trust me on this one.
"Manhunter" Cannot be Improved Upon by Lt. Torello	May 6th, 2001 03:11:37 AM
From the unnerving POV opening to the "In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida" shootout (one of several improvements to the novel, Harris purists be damned), Michael Mann's '86 masterpiece will not be surpassed no matter who's penning the remake. William Peterson was pitch perfect, especially in the supermarket scene when he explains to his young son who Hannibal Lector is and how he caught him (Mann knew it would be a BIG mistake to dramatize the capture -- it works so much better as a quiet yet chilling recollection). Anyway, where you gonna find a Charter .44 Bulldog nowadays outside a pawnshop?
Manhunter no classic by football	May 6th, 2001 03:46:57 AM
It surprises me that most people on this site think that Manhunter is untouchable. Well, what about the first murder we see in the film, or don't see? Mike Mann could've shown us more but didn't, leaving it to our imaginations. Of course, this was lost on most people unless they'd read the book. I for one was disapointed when I first saw the film. BUT I agree that Tom Noonan was perfect casting as Red Dragon, just about the only thing. Also, why must the villian always be a Brit? Isn't this racist?
Review is Bullshit by mrzsasz	May 6th, 2001 10:01:37 AM
This guy didn't read anything. His synopsis easily applies to Mann's film, for he provides no new information - not even a line of Tally's dialogue, and bakcs everything up with his conjecture. Harry mentioned the day before that he's dying to read the new script, and this sychophant decided to supply him with a bogus review, so he could feel important. His fuckin "code name" spells out "Tom N Lover" for chrissakes.
Benicio Del Toro and Hopkins facing off by Jimmy DeNiro	May 6th, 2001 12:09:52 PM
First off let me say that there is no way they will cast someone else as Lecter. Think about it. It is completely Hopkins role and if they do cast someone else, they run the risk of pissing thousands of fans off. Second, Robert DeNiro is my favorite actor but I don't see him as Graham. I was thinking about it and I think Benicio Del Toro would do a kick ass job.
ummm, why...? by I AM CHEWBACCA	May 7th, 2001 09:36:18 AM
i dont understand, why do another film based on red dragon, have we not learnt anything about remaking classics, who can forget the attrocious remake of king kong with jeff bridges and jessica lange, or maybe there should be a remake of cassablanca, maybe an updated version of terminator perhaps. it would just spoil the whole thing god damn it. and what is all this stuff about hannibal be outrageously bad? ok, it wasnt as good as manhunter or silence of the lambs, but you have to understand that manhunter and SOTL were very different movies and gave a different message, hannibal follows this trend, but too many people compare it to only SOTL and that attitude sucks. its not a great film, but judging by most of the cack out at the moment, it wasnt bad either. it was the return of the jedi of the hannibal lector saga...

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