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They've picked the female lead for SPIDERMAN!

ARGH! She better dye her hair red. by Tall_Boy	Dec 12th, 2000 07:56:55 PM
But did anyone see that MAXIUM spread she did? I say GODDAMN!
Kirsten Dunce?? by TechLord	Dec 12th, 2000 07:57:05 PM
She would only be ok if Gwen Stacy was the lead role. I definately don't see her as the Mary Jane type.
hmmm by BEARison Ford	Dec 12th, 2000 07:59:08 PM
too young for Maguire and better suited for Gwen Stacy. by the way, i was banned yesterday for simply asking about some stupid article on filmthreat about the mighty joe hallenbeck, what the fuck is your problem AICN?
Yes, yes, yes! by Lenonn	Dec 12th, 2000 08:01:36 PM
I know, she can definitely do the sexy model thing. Just die hair read. She is a good, but underused actress. This is more good news for the film.
What the fuck is this? by axelfoley	Dec 12th, 2000 08:02:28 PM
I'm not complaining too much but Kirsten Dunst she's a Gwen not an MJ. They could have done better than Kirsten Dunst as MJ. Now, look, she's gorgeous. Nice body, face, and she's a really good actress. Here's what doesn't make sense to me. Why her exactly? What the hell happened to the Alicia Witts and the Mena Suvaris we've been hearing about for four months? In all seriousnesswhat was so wrong with Alicia Witt. If Raimi liked the way he tested, then what was really so fucking wrong? But on the plus side, I know Dunst CAN act, plus her name will give the movie some interest from teenage girls. But from my standpoint, if Dunst is MJ, she really would have made a better Gwen Stacy. But they could have done worse I guess. I sure as hell know they could have done a bit better though.
Well... by il diabolo	Dec 12th, 2000 08:04:11 PM
Kirsten is a good actress, so I think she'll do a pretty good (respectable) job with the character, she can pull off the party girl thing. But I don't see her as the bombshell model. I still would rather see Alicia Witt.
by Havok2173	Dec 12th, 2000 08:05:07 PM
It's MAXIM, but whatever...she is definately a hottie. I would do her.
Are you complaining over hair color? by Hellpop	Dec 12th, 2000 08:07:59 PM
Come on, that is such a minor point, she is a fine actress and will do well opposite Tobey- Hair color is of little matter, it can be changed and who knows whether she is for MJ or Gwen . .so PLEASE stop bitching and moaning before you know anything, I can't believe how people can have hissy fits over little things like this or how their ages are too far apart? What? their ages match just fine since they can both pull off either a high school or college student. . . god damn it, I have to stop reading these shitty talkbacks
Coming Attractions got this... by The Kid	Dec 12th, 2000 08:13:03 PM
a little while ago.
Cool casting! by Wesley Snipes	Dec 12th, 2000 08:17:10 PM
Wow! An unexpected yet interesting cast here. Kirsten Dunst was on Kilborn a little while ago. Looked amazingly hot, yet also down-to-earth. Good choice. I also get the feeling that she would play well opposite Tobey Maguire. I'm not sure why. But she does have more of the "MJ is too good for Parker" dynamic than someone like Mena Suvari.
going with the flavor of the month, i see by Terry_1978	Dec 12th, 2000 08:18:03 PM
Dunst is a good actress and all, but I still prefer Laura Prepon in the role. It ain't about the hair...she just seems right to me.
Gwen- would it be prudent? by hellbender	Dec 12th, 2000 08:32:01 PM
hell yeah it would be prudent. there is no doubt that by casting Dunst they have gone with Gwen. Dunst looks just like her, and she is a far cry from looking anything like Mary Jane Watson. as a long time spidey fan/collector, i'm juiced that they went with Gwen. Even though i've personally always liked redheads, many of the spidey comics have characterized the relationship between petey and MJ in a way that.....well it didn't click for me. i think MJ just seemed too neurotic, unstable, and high-maintenance for laid back petey. for some reason i was always bummed that Gwen died too. maybe its just because the writers didn't have time to mess her up. also could have to do with the era when she was drawn- the long straight blond hair, high black boots, a touch insecure......mmmmmmmm. anyway trust me folks this is good news for the movie. this relationship will work on the big screen. hellbender out
have they chosen... by ChezKing	Dec 12th, 2000 08:37:17 PM
Aunt May yet? Kirsten Dunst would be better as Gwen Stacy, but she is a good actress, I believe she'll do fine as MJ. She's grown up alot...filled up all the right places. She's got alittle lascivious come on "tiger" attitude lately. She would also look good with Tobey. This is definitely becoming interesting. Hopefully a serious and dramatic superhero flick. I mean c'mon Dafoe? Macguire? Sounds pretty serious to me. Sounds pretty cool. Do you all think they will kill off the Green Goblin in the first film? You know, even if this film flops, we're still gonna get to see something tripped out. I mean a guy crawling up skyscrapers...swinging through the city....fighting a maniac thats riding a glider throwing pumpkin bombs and razor bats! It's gonna be a blast. A really tripped out cinematic experience.
Kirsten in Crow 3. by Horus	Dec 12th, 2000 08:40:51 PM
I don't want to worry any of you , but I read a few reviews of The Crow :salvation and they all said that Kirsten Dunce's acting was so bloody awful , that peaple , were openly laughing at her!I've not seen it{was it ever released??} so I can't comment too much on that.I thought she was good in Interview with the vamp,{What else has she been lately??} but not really the most obvious choice as a Peter Parker groupie mind you.
She is Gwen, you slack-jawed dumbasses! by X-Girls	Dec 12th, 2000 08:44:53 PM
and thank God for that, this shows that Raimi has made another smart decision (counting 3), I just hope she's less.. like herself. Show a little of MJ (Alicia Witt), but have the balls to finish with showing Gwen die at the end, in some way, even if it isn't shown. A death of two big characters isn't such a big deal thanks to the Batman movies, 'let's kill off alllll the franchaise characters!'. >sigh of relief out here
A rose by any other name... by JonQuixote	Dec 12th, 2000 08:54:11 PM
The girl could act when she was, like, 11, so she'll be able to pull off what will not be the most taxing role in the script. Nice look, she'll make good windowdressing, decent talent...I have to say I've been quite impressed with Raimi's casting so far. I agree that she would make a better Gwen than a Mary Jane, but I have the feeling that they're not really going to bother differentiating between the two, so it won't matter what they call her.
Bug on Spidey by Ambush Bug	Dec 12th, 2000 09:07:19 PM
Well, well, well...another character cast, but which Parker girl with our little vampire be playing. MJ or Gwen. Maybe Raimi is sitting up in his little tower and plotting to give us Spidey fans what we really want. Give us Gwen. Dunst is a dead ringer for Miss Stacy. It just makes sense. If Raimi wants any type of character development in Peter, he would start off with Gwen as Peter's main love interest. Snuff her in the second film and that clears the way for MJ in the third. Gwen represents that girl that slipped through our fingers. The one that we should have held on to given what we know now. Sure Mj's hot, but even after almost thirty years of comics history, Peter still looks back on his time with Gwen and her tragic death. Next to the origin, the Death of Gwen is easily the most popular Spidey story. Her death is the perfect Empire ending for a second film. I hope, I hope, I hope Raimi goes with Gwen. And by the way, since this is the Spidey Romance Talkback: Parker is a nerd. An introvert who doesn't have the courage to ask a girl out on a date. Tobey's first moments in Pleasantville where he acts like he is talking to the popular girls from a distance is exactly how he should be played. When Peter gains his powers, sure he will gain confidence. BUT FOR GOD SAKES, NO BANGING MJ ON THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE!!! That was the single worst scene in the Cameron script. Peter should gain the confidence to ask Gwen or MJ out on a date. Keep it slow. Lil' Pete is inexperienced in the lessons of love. Don't make him take a swan dive into Lake Watson in the first flick. Have Peter ask a girl (preferably Gwen)out on a date in the first film. Make the relationship grow into puppy love in the second and break it off with Gwen's death. In the third, up pops MJ to console poor Pete and eventually the two fall in love. Awww, how romantic. Raimi said there are going to be at least three movies. How about having some character development in there somewhere between the villain du jour? Hey, Raimi! Don't blow your wad on the first flick, ifyaknowwhutImean. Bug out.
Dude! It's the Doo! by littlenemo	Dec 12th, 2000 09:30:26 PM
When I see Alicia Witt, I see Gwen Stacy with red hair. When I see Kristen Dunst, I see Mary Jane with blonde hair. I think it's pretty obvious by now that they're casting her as M.J. and I believe they made the right choice. Heck, she's the prettier of the two, and she's no worse an actress than Alicia. This should be a no-brainer. If you disagree, feel free to make me your whippin' boy. It can't be any worse than what I do for a livin'.----------------------- --------"Oh, piss-boy!"-------------------W ell, got to get back to work.....
When Did Kirsten Dunst Become The Flavor Of The Month???? by The Founder	Dec 12th, 2000 09:46:02 PM
This young and may I add beautiful and talented actress has been around for nearly ten years as I can recall.I'll agree with some of you that she is more of a Gwen Stacey(hell even a Felcia Hardy), but I'll take her as MJ anyday over the true crop of flavor of the month girls out there,and we should all be thankful that Rami swooped her up before she got tied up with another prject.Alicis Witt would have been cool,but Kirsten's a much better actress,and this Laura Pippon seems to be more of a girl basketball player than a supermodel.All I'm going to sat to Rami on this matter is...GOOD DAMN CALL MAN.
I have but one thing to say... by Valles Marineris	Dec 12th, 2000 09:48:13 PM
(Epic)Sigh
I'm sorry but... by Dlhstar	Dec 12th, 2000 09:51:27 PM
I can't see her as any woman in Peter Parker's life. To me, the perfect Gwen Stacy would have been Christina Applegate a few years ago. So many of her facial and physical features looked perfect for the role. As for MJ, hell yeah Laurie Prepon (sp?) would have been perfect. She's just glamourous enough to be a model in the current modeling world (ie. thin and young), and approachable enough to someone like Peter...
OH MY GOD I MISPELLED TWO WORDS..... by The Founder	Dec 12th, 2000 09:53:12 PM
and I know how sensitive some of you become over this. SPELLCHECK: IT'S PROJECT not PRJECT, and SAY not SAT
Wow! Kirsten Dunst is gonna play Aunt May! by Cowblaster	Dec 12th, 2000 10:22:05 PM
Sure, she's kinda young for the role, but she's one helluvan actress.
Well Smack My Ass And Call Me Sally by darthpsychotic	Dec 12th, 2000 10:24:01 PM
um, I usually would not use the said subject phrase, however in light of the MISCASTING of Spiderman(no hyphen, get over it) with Leo Di's best "friend" Toby "Candy Ass" McGuire as Peter Parker and now Kirsten "Bring It On" Dunst as the "female lead" the said phrase just came out. Now we can assume that when Toby and Kirsten promote the movie it will be on Carson Daly's(who must be assassinated) TRL and with special guest appearances on the WBs primetime. Now before you Toby McGuire/Leo Di lovers out there get your pantys in a wad over my "Diary Of A Madman AICN Talkback Posts" I just want you to know I love Kirsten Dunst too WHEN SHE IS NOT IN WB-TYPE GEN-Y TEEN MOVIES, which is what Raimi's Spiderman is so obviously is. In fact I got some non-nude, though "stimulating" Kirsten Dunst bra and panty MPEGS along with other GEN-Y Ho MPEGS. GEN-Y Ho MPEGS are the latest rage and I have some hilarious Britney Spears and Christina Ricci mpegs which will make you wanna "Smack their ass and call them Sally". I haven't uploaded them to the CURRENT darthpsychotic homepage yet, though I just did get doing a major update since I have some freetime after I got done failing my final exams.(Like any of you give a fuk.) I am not allowed to post the URL because Harry Knowle's Enforcer, The Evil Professor and Fanboy Gangster, Moriarty basically used: threats, extortion, and intimidation tatics against me. These tatics are usually saved for Movie Agents and rival movie critics and in a way I am honored that Moriarty would use them against me. (Mori, please don't ban me Great Evil One).
Here we go! by ChezKing	Dec 12th, 2000 10:41:24 PM
Kirstin Dunst as Aunt May! Wow that's awesome! Let's see: Bette Midler as Gwen Stacy! perfect! Drop Tobey, and make John Goodman ole' Spidey! I'm amazed the perfect cast! oooo and Gary Coleman as The Green Goblin!!!
Bug on Spidey-to "The Comedian" by Ambush Bug	Dec 12th, 2000 10:46:17 PM
I'll keep this short and sweet. To start it off, I have read and own those old Gwen issues. They were great stories and you should try reading a few. They are much better than today's shitstream of stories. For the record, I never said that Raimi should introduce MJ in the third film. I said they should intro MJ and Peter's relationship in the third for the sake of story. You know, that talking and plot stuff between the 'splosions. I know it is common practice on this site to label those who have differing opinions as morons, but let's try to be civil. The main reason most people want to see Gwen and Peter together in the first film is because they want to see her bite it in a sequel. And there will be a sequel. If a no name super hero like Blade can get a sequel, Marvel's biggest hero will in a heartbeat. Raimi himself has said that one of the main reasons he took the Spidey assignent was his love for the Death of Gwen storyline. So don't rule Gwen out yet. I agree that Gwen was a little dull, but if her relationship with Peter and her subsequent death can bring more depth to Peter's character, I can't see why anyone wouldn't want her in this flick. I agree with you on the Organic mess. There's no need for it. So much for short and sweet. I'm tired now.
Dunst by moovees	Dec 12th, 2000 10:55:05 PM
Keep in mind that the last movie we saw Dunst in was actually filmed about a year ago and she's pretty young so she's still filling out those curves. Surprising choice, I must say, but I like it...
Spiderman can lick my balls! by RedFive	Dec 12th, 2000 10:55:45 PM
Sam raimi is one of the most genius filmakers of our time but fu*k him for picking the single most complete trendy bunch of actors in hollywood.SHAME ON YOU SAM.If theres one thing that would make spiderman the movie great besides story and characters is THE RIGHT CAST=UNKNOWN ACTORS.Yeah,yeah,yeah i know every fanboy out there whos got a hard on for spiderman is gonna bash me and keep doing it till there fingers go numb.But Fuccccck all of you too.Theres one thing that makes a character that character and its unknown actors becoming that character.HUGH JACKMAN IS WOLVERINE,HALLEY BERRY IS NOT STORM.Blah,blah,blah but ill tell you one thing if you start to bash me just think SCOOBY DOO THE MOVIE YOU ANAL DIPSHITS.Enough said....
What about the pivotal character in any Godzilla film? by James_O'Nasty	Dec 12th, 2000 11:03:18 PM
How fucking random is this news?
Comedian, Good Choice With The NICK FURY AGENT OF SHIELD!!! by Buzz Maverik	Dec 12th, 2000 11:37:16 PM
I'm waiting for Steranko's NICK FURY: SCORPIO TPB myself. As for Mary Jane, I saw this girl on the street the other day that would have been perfect for the park if she could act. I didn't say anything as I have no official say in casting and she would have probably called the cops and they have that damned three strikes and yer out law here in California.
Kirsten is a HORRIBLE choice!! by Psyclops	Dec 13th, 2000 01:00:01 AM
I was able to catch a test screening of 'The Crow: Salvation' late last year and I can tell you she was more than laughable. She was embarassing. Watching her act is like having your teeth pulled minus the laughing gas. This is a poor choice, considering Alicia Witt was also in talks to star. I am feeling a bit down about this flick. I had such high hopes. But wait!! I have a surprise. Read my next post...
Dunst is not the way I would have went by Pimpin' Ken	Dec 13th, 2000 01:10:20 AM
While I do think she is hot and I definately would, Dunst is not Mary Jane. MJ was a bombshell who shoul be played by someone much hotter. Alicia Witt and Mena Suvari also fall way below the bar. I am thinking of a younger Angie Everhart of someone of that level. They don't even really need to naturally have red hair. Famke Jensen was a great Jean Grey despite having the wrong haircolor.
S P I D E R - M A N .... Extras Wanted!!! by Psyclops	Dec 13th, 2000 01:14:34 AM
That's right, people! You can participate in the 'Spider-man' movie as an 'upaid' (sorry) extra or spectator this January. They are looking for people of all ages to fill in a crowd scene when Peter Parker first gets his powers... something to do with a 'steel cage' match! Anyway, I received this flyer at the L.A. Comic Book & Sci-Fi Convention with the following information: Filming will take place January 16th, 17th and 18th. Free buses are provided for groups as well as free food and "Great Door Prizes". The number to call is (310) 653-4105, Monday-Friday between 10am - 5pm. This is for real, I've already called and confirmed personally.
Kirsten is White Trash. NT by Cliffyb	Dec 13th, 2000 01:26:51 AM

Dunst as Gwen? by Arcaneman	Dec 13th, 2000 01:34:40 AM
isn't it possible that Kristen may end up playing Gwen Stacy, instead of Mary Jane Watson? I mean, way before viewing the X-Men movie, we thought that Magneto wanted Wolverine for the machine, when he really wanted you know who...maybe the "we're going with Mary Jane" is just a rumour they started.
Argh... by Arcaneman	Dec 13th, 2000 01:40:47 AM
Me again. I know some of the Army of Darkness fans will want to kick my ass...but i seriously think that Sam Raimi was, by far, the worst director they could have chosen to do this film. I don't think a guy like David Fincher, who was rumoured for a while, would do a good job with Spider-Man (I think he'd make a much better Batman director...check out the detective work in SE7EN). I still think that there were probably a lot of other directors that could have done a better job...like Brad Bird, director of The Iron Giant.
Spiderman spiderman la la la by jedimonkey2	Dec 13th, 2000 01:59:02 AM
I like spiderman hee hee. Isn't Mary Jane a red head? Isn't Kirsten Dunst a not red head? She turned out pretty hot though, I was surprised that the "Bring it on" chick was the little psycho vampire kid. doodoodoo I don't get this butt numb o thon thing, and that big picture of the ass in the corner makes me uncomfortable. JOSE IN THE METRODOME!!!!
Kirsten Munter? by The Equalizer	Dec 13th, 2000 02:27:08 AM
They could have picked an attractive female lead. Something a la Denise Richards? She's got the poutability of a particularly pouting puffer fish on a pouty day.
Father Geek Rules! by Boss Hog	Dec 13th, 2000 03:46:22 AM
If this pans out you could put a pillow over Harry's Numb Butt and secretly take his place as the king of useless movie scoops. Muhahahaha! But don't kill him yet, let's see if this pans out. Just joking about Killing Harry. If you ever do decide on infanticide, the pillow would be moot. Just feed him Snickers with ground up glass and Mountain Dew with a tiny drop of arsenic, in a month he will drop like a domino. Father Geek, the one true Knowles.... it is written.
I doubt Gwen will see the light of day... by AlonzoMoselyFBI	Dec 13th, 2000 05:51:23 AM
...despite Raimi's assertions that her story is one of the main reasons he wanted to do this film. MJ has been the main girl forever, and the casual Spidey fan has never even heard of Gwen. This movie will not be a blow by blow adaptation of the main storyline of the comic no matter how much we Webheads would like that to be the case. It's going to need to be streamlined and made fit for public consumption. I'm not happy with Tobey as Parker, and I have no idea who this Kirstin Dunst chick is (some pics with the article would've been nice). Willem Dafoe wasn't a bad call, though. I don't know about the guy playing JJJ. ------------------------------ As I see it the principle failure points for this movie that still remain in question are the treatment of the webshooters, the soundtrack (yes, the soundtrack) and the costume (classic spidey all the way with darker colors is the way to go...if I get the Spider-Codpiece, I'm audi 5). I'm sure I'll be able to live with McGuire, although not happily. Six months from now we will probably have both the webshooter and costume issues settled with any luck, and then I think we can REALLY begin to tell what we'll be in for.................... I can't wait. This movie could still potentially rule.
Nods to the casting thus far by the_pissboy1	Dec 13th, 2000 06:52:33 AM
First Tobey and now the delectable and extremely talented Kirsten Dunst. I hope that girl's career takes off as it should.
why no credit to coming attractions? by BjornBorg	Dec 13th, 2000 07:02:20 AM
See, this is why people get pissed at the fat bastard. Everyone ran this story, CInescape, Dark Horizons, the whole lot of them, and they all gave credit to Coming Attractions for the story, yet there is no credit given here. Reading a story in another site and posting it with no credit isn't journalism, it's plagarism. If there is any justice a dingo will gnaw away your genitals while you are in New Zealand
blah by Uga	Dec 13th, 2000 07:23:15 AM
I've never read the comic. I don't know who Mary Jane is. I don't know who Gwen is. But I do know who Kirsten Dunst is, and I'm excited! You folks who say she's talentless obviously have no clue what you're talking about - just check out her comedic timing in "Drop Dead Gorgeous," for one. Not the greatest movie ever, but she's hilarious.
I don't understand how anyone could possibly characterize the ch by JonQuixote	Dec 13th, 2000 07:51:44 AM
Tobey Maguire as flavor of the month? Hey, if Cider House Rules, The Ice Storm, Wonder Boys, and Pleasantville were cookie-cutter teen movies, then I guess I need to give the genre a second look. This guy has done nothing but serious, dramatic work since we heard of him, and has been around, working steadily and respectedly for years! Now, if he doesn't fit your preconcieved notions of what Spidey should look like, that's one thing, but to diss this guy as flavor of the month is ridiculous. His very casting demonstrates that this is not a route the filmmakers are going. Flavor-of-the-month is a Dawson or Freddie Prinze or Jason Biggs; guys who nobody is going to remember in 6 years, not serious dramatically trained actors whose every movie gets nominated for a slew of awards! Kirstin Dunst is the same. This girl has done all sorts of risky movies, like Wag The Dog, Interview, and Drop Dead Gorgeous...she does one popular teen movie (which I haven't seen, but have heard it's way better than most) and suddenly she's Flavor of the Month? Now, I have my apprehensions about this movie, but the casting thus far has been GREAT and very unconventional. My only gripe is Cliff Robertson as Uncle Ben, but that's mostly because I've visualized Paul Newman in the role for so long and barely even know who Cliff is. Whether you like it or hate it, the casting thus far has NOT been flavour of the month. And, I for one, would love to see a Death of Gwen 2-movie storyarch. I'd say she was interesting, at the time, I don't think comic books had a girlfriend character who loved the secret identity but HATED the hero; it adds an interesting dimension to Peter's cumpulsion to continue playing Spider-Man.
My biggest problem by Trax	Dec 13th, 2000 07:55:41 AM
Here is what I don't understand, and maybe all of you fanboys out there can help me out, yeah? Why do you want a Spidey story (the death of GS) torn directly from the pages of the comics? Wouldn't that slightly spoil the movie for you, knowing that it will inevitably end in tragedy? I know that sort of thing ruined Titanic (yes, I saw Titanic), and the Perfect Storm for me. I just have troube connecting with a character and getting into a relationship when I know that the character dies and the relationship ends in heartbreak. All I have to say is Sam, surprise us!
Ok, maybe flavor of the month is a tad harsh..but just a tad by Terry_1978	Dec 13th, 2000 08:02:27 AM
You're starting to hear Dunst's name around Hollywood more, and I seriously don't think that she should be casted just because she's becoming more popular now, that's what I really meant to say...if she can pull of the role, fine..but the timing of her sudden popularity and the casting of MJ just seemed to coincidental, that's all. If she was in like a lot of indie films and no one had heard of her, it would have been a more interesting casting decision since they're going with a virtual unknown. I'm sure they feel she can play the part, but I'm really hoping she wasn't cast simply because people are taking notice to her now.
Miscast by riskebiz	Dec 13th, 2000 08:31:04 AM
Unbelievable. They cast the perfect Gwen Stacy as Mary Jane. Idiots. I have no faith in Raimi anymore. He did good casting Tobey but has misfired in every single instance since.
Terry and Trax by JonQuixote	Dec 13th, 2000 08:36:54 AM
Regarding Dunst's popularity, I'm sure it had something to do with the decision to cast her, if in fact it's a true story. It is also a question of marketability as well as appropriateness. I'm sure there are a lot of unknown actors who could have played Spidey, but Tobey had the talent and the look as WELL as a semi-recognizeable name/face. Hollywood is a business, and the studio wants to sell their product as broadly as possible. But the thing with Dunst is that she's been working in Hollywood for almost 10 years now, often doing quite adventurous work. Her current popularity probably DID help her get the role, but it doesn't mean it's not still a good choice. She has proven herself.***** As far as why we want the Death of Gwen storyline, it's partially because it's an interesting chapter in our favorite web-slinger's life, and partially because it has a sort of pathos that elevates it above the regular comic-book fight-the-badguy sort of story. Think of it as your favorite book. Let's say you love The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Now, you've read the books and are excited about the movie...do you want them to change the ending just so you can be surprised? It's a similar sort of idea. We also know Uncle Ben is going to kick the bucket, but we don't want that changed either. Now, I'm not saying Gwen's death is nearly as integral as Uncle Ben's, and I'll be perfectly happy if they don't do this story (provided that everything else is up to snuff), but I do think it would be cool. Even if I do know how it ends.
No!!! by NeoCyber	Dec 13th, 2000 08:43:13 AM
Damnit! Shes had what!? 2 Good roles in her entire life? Claudia (Interview) and one of those Virgins from the Virgin Suicides? Why couldnt we get that chick from That 70's show? And even if she is Gwen Stacy she's still a bad actress. Why is this chick getting so many roles? I smell a casting couch....smells like syphillis...
Anyone see Crow: Salvation? by Great Bandini	Dec 13th, 2000 08:50:18 AM
I got to see it at the San Diego Comic-Con, and no offense, but she was terrible in it. Actually, the whole movie sucked, and all the acting was bad. The guy who played the Crow wasn't too bad, but Kirsten Dunst was the worst I've ever seen her. Just an awful, awful, movie. I pray Sam Raimi knows what he is doing.
Good point JonQuixote by Trax	Dec 13th, 2000 08:57:49 AM
I never thought of it in that way. I'm always quick to admit my mistakes, and yes, the death of Gwen would make for meatier fare than the average comic movie. I was a big fan of that storyline myself. I have NO idea, however, how ANYONE can see Laura Prepton (70's show) as MJ. Is it just me, or is she not a total butch? She has a manlier voice that Tobey for chrissake! I always pictured MJ as being feminine, not like a guy in a red wig. If Ms. Preptons hair were not red, I guarantee her name would never have appeared for an MJ casting suggestion. Casting someone based on hair color is the stupidest thing I have ever heard (sorry, had to vent)
BETTY BRANDT ALL THE WAY!!! by Klam Bake	Dec 13th, 2000 09:00:21 AM
Mary Jane and Gwen shouldn't even be in this movie! Pete's first girlfriend in the Comic was Betty Brandt. I mean lets talk about putting some realism in this film. How many People end up spending the rest of their life with the first person they dated in High School. If you say "I did" I can only pity you. Betty then Liz then Gwen then finally Mary Jane. Come on Rami! Go read the damn books!
Gwen & MJ by Elliot_Kane	Dec 13th, 2000 09:05:21 AM
The casting of Kirsten Dunst as 'the main female lead' certainly complicates matters. She is a very talented actress, as anyone who has watched Drop Dead Gorgeous will attest. As many other talkbackers have already said, she is perfect for Gwen Stacy but, red haired or not, not really right for MJ. If Raimi runs with Gwen though, that could give us a very dark first film. Two major character deaths, two funeral scenes... Unless the Green Goblin kills Gwen and Uncle Ben at the same time. It would be pointless for Raimi to plan for killing Gwen in a sequel that may or may not happen. Surely no-one would want the Goblin to be the main villain in every Spidey film ever made? Although, if Raimi decides that Gwen deserves better than she got in the comics... That would be a really daring way to go - confounding all our expectations, Gwen Stacy lives! After all, can anyone truly say that Gwen herself, as a character, deserves to die?
casting someone by hair color by JonQuixote	Dec 13th, 2000 09:13:11 AM
is, yes, pretty stupid. i never was an advocate of laura pepron...i do enjoy That 70s Show, but i don't think she's exactly the greatest actress, and i'm sure nobody would have mentioned her if it wasn't for hair color. perhaps the only thing that i wonder about tobey's portrayal will be his spidey-voice, but it never occured to me how extra silly he would sound next to gravelly voiced Laura. alicia witt, however, would have been a good choice 'cause the girl at least has some chops, but i digress. Betty Brandt was Peter's love interest for, what? four issues? depending on the angle the filmmakers go for, she could work, but it all depends on what story they want to tell. if they're doing the death of gwen (which i'm sure they won't but a boy can dream) it would work better for her to be the love interest in the first one before going to that great big high school in the sky in Spidey II. the viewer would have more attachment. if they're not going to kill off gwendy, then it's best to just let her rest in peace, and use mj (or maybe betty) for the first one where the romance is taken slowly, establish a black cat/mj love triangle for the second, followed by a happily ever after third chapter. i still think spidey lost his cherry to the black cat, so she needs to be in there somewhere (or, even if he didn't, it would work wonderfully if he did).
I see it now! by Sepulchrave	Dec 13th, 2000 09:19:39 AM
Strange choice for a heroine. Especially a comic book heroine. Both Dunst and Maguire are odd unblinking styles of actor, perhaps they
To quote the poets of Cypress Hill...."I love you Mary Jane" by monkeylucifer	Dec 13th, 2000 09:23:17 AM
I hope that Miss Dunst is being pegged as the Gwen Stacy character and NOT for MJ, 'cause I look at her and see more of the Stacy character. I agree with the concept of having her being the primary female interest, and then following the comics and snuff'n her off to pave way for the lovely Mary Jane. I surely want Alicia Witt for that role, and anyone else will have to do a damn fine job to change my mind, 'cause I am just absolutely in lust with that girl (I even forgive her for "Urban Legends"). Hell, if Alicia doesn't get the part of Mary Jane, well...let me just say that I have a part ready for her anytime.
well fuck me sideways by JokersNight	Dec 13th, 2000 09:23:33 AM
I might have to go see this film now...
Won't the real Stacy please stand up, please stand up. by PoopyPantsFanBoy	Dec 13th, 2000 09:30:48 AM
I mean really people can't you see between the lines? Raimi is indeed going for Gwen, Dunst is Gwen! Excellent, the fans voice has been heard, rejoice! I'm in total agreeance to some fine points that earlier TBers made in regards to having the Gwen storyline arch into two movies. A big problem with the Batman franchise is that they endeavoured to try too much in one film (i.e. too many damned villians). I hope that whoever is in charge of the Spidey franchise has the foresight to see the interesting elements in charcter development that has occured through a large portion of Spider-man's history. In other words pace yourselves. I don't expect the film to be just like the comics but have the premise intact as well as the impact players there. And yes of course this movie will be the first of many to come.
I suppose next thing we'll hear is that the female lead will spo by ARCTURUS	Dec 13th, 2000 09:45:54 AM
Dunst? Probably got the role based on past box-office draw, no doubt.
COMEDIAN, take a chill pill by monkeylucifer	Dec 13th, 2000 10:02:24 AM
Look, I just think that Dunst is more suited for the role of Gwen Stacy, and not because of her hair color...but because of her acting style and general appearance. I would LIKE to see the death of Gwen Stacy be apart of the film franchise, IF it takes off and becomes such, because the Gwen's death was an important part of the Spider-Man saga, and I feel it deserves proper treatment on the big screen. I also feel that Mary Jane should eventually play a major role as Peter Parker's S/O if a franchise is successfully launched. It's just a wishful thinking kinda thing....so don't get yer panties in a wad.
I hope Tobey doesn't shoot a wad when looking at Dunst. by kickassgolferha	Dec 13th, 2000 10:04:49 AM
Wouldn't that be the sight, Spiderman shooting a wad when he looks at a hot female counter part. Maybe after all these years, we've been lead to believe that that's actually spiderwebs, when it's not. Dunst has been cast to help enlighten us of the mystery. She'll get on her knees and help us determine. "I mean c'mon Spiderman, bring it!" She's a horrible actress. Although great for a comic book movie.
showest teaser online by BEARison Ford	Dec 13th, 2000 10:09:27 AM
http://www.premiere.fr/index.p hp3?Id=28692
another one bites the dunst by QuizKidDonnie	Dec 13th, 2000 12:04:38 PM
Even though I'm a Marvelite I could give a shit what they change about the Spidey mythos, and I don't care which one of PParker's honeys KDunst is playing, but I just want her to be onscreen a lot, looking fabulous. I thought she was a precociously gifted child actor who shone in Interview and Little Women, and I thought she was a terrific budding little actress in DDGorgeous and DICK, and she was good in Bring It On. (Maybe she was lame in the Crow 3 but I wouldn't know, having written that whole franchise off as bankrupt of ideas long ago, like while I was watching the shitty first one. The Crow = Blah.) As far as I'm concerned she's a hotter property than anyone else who's been in the running. Laura Prepon is great but she needs to be in a few movies before she has to carry a feature as the female lead. She has a future in features but she ain't there yet. Alicia Witt is more appealing to me when she's surrounded by the real world (like in Cybill and the Sopranos) than when she's surrounded by weirdness (like 4 Rooms, Dune, Twin Peaks, or like Spider-Man would be). She's just spacier when the subject matter is spacier. All this is just empty conjecture because Dunst is CAST! Yay! How hot was she in Maxim? And that specialFX photo in Rolling Stone -- Holy Schnikies!
All hope I held out for this movie is gone. by chrisd	Dec 13th, 2000 12:08:41 PM
Like casting Margot Kidder as Lois Lane all over again. Bad move. Dunst would be barely passable as Gwen Stacy, laughable-if-it-wasn't -so-bad as Mary Jane. At least we have the video game.
Dunst is a hottie, but.... by Y2Dude	Dec 13th, 2000 12:23:53 PM
While her casting is a little disappointing, it could have been worse. On the same token, it could have been WAY better. I'm not one of those to cast by hair color alone, BUT I wouldn't mind seeing Alicia Witt in the role. She's stunning and can pass as a model. My perfect choice, though, would be Kate Hudson. To me, Hudson embodies Mary Jane's spirit and, well, she's hot, to boot! Now we all could be wrong. Maybe they ARE casting for Gwen Stacy and saving MJ for future installements. I could live with that. But would Dunst would a good Stacy? More suited for that than MJ, that's for sure. But how about Tara Reid as Gwen? That seems like perfect casting...to me at least. Oh, and as far as the costume goes...personally, i'd LOVE TO see the black Spidey outfit, but that ain't happening, especially in the origin story. Regardless, this will be one kick ass movie and the dream of every fanboy
SO NOBODY HERE SAW "DICK"???? by GAHD DEMMIT	Dec 13th, 2000 12:25:01 PM
WOW...KIRSTEN DUNST....REALLY..WOW..YUP THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL LACK OF EXCITEMENT COMING FROM THE DAMNED1NE HIMSELF. THE ONLY THING THAT SHE HAS TO HER DECENT ACTING CREDIT WAS "INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE" AFTER THAT SHE FELL OF THE EARTH, ONLY TO COME BACK WITH A BOMB "DICK", HELL I JUST LIKE SAYING THE WORD "DICK" (as in you're a). SERIOUSLY, I FEEL AS MOVIE APPRECIATING FANS WE SHOULD ALL TAKE A TRIP OUT TO HOLLY WOOD, AND KICK THE ASSES OF EACH AND EVERY PRODUCER BEFORE THEY MAKE A BAD IDEA IN A MOVIE GOING EXPERIENCE... KICK THAT'S FOR SUPER MARIO BROS. KICK THAT'S FOR MAKING US BELIEVE THAT JEAN-CLAUDE VAN-DOUCHEBAG CAN SPEAK PERFECT ENGLISH IN THAT PIECE OF SHIT MOVIE "STREET FIGHTER" YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE?? KICK THAT WAS FOR PUTTING JAMES WOODS AS A VAMPIRE HUNTER..WAIT LET ME GET MY STEEL TOES FOR THIS ONE....KICK in a huge font THAT'S FOR DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS..CAUSE I'M STILL PISSED OFF AT THAT ONE.... GAHD DEMMT "FRIEND TO NO ONE, DAMNED FOR ETERNITY" 1NE (T.J., HATER1, PORN?STAR)
Egads........................... ................................ by Smugbug	Dec 13th, 2000 12:28:29 PM
I dunno. Well, maybe her testing in as the character drove Sam to decide on her. I trust his judgement (even after directing that sad-ass b-ball movie w/Kevin Costner). He's done some of my fave movies (Evil D 1,2,3; Darkman; Quick and the Dead, Simple Plan) and when he's on, he's certainly one of the best in the H-town Biz. I saw in a previous post - Margot Kidder as Lois Lane. All I can say is that at least Sam will NOT use the person who costumed those movies. Lois Lane's outfits were undeniably BAD BAD BAD.
RE:Klam Bake by The Founder	Dec 13th, 2000 12:29:15 PM
I'm not really into the Spidey comics, but I believe Betty Brandt was the receptionist at the Daily Bugle, and Peter had a crush on her.I pretty sure she wasn't his girlfriend. I could be wrong on this matter, but I don't think I am.
Surprises by superninja	Dec 13th, 2000 12:35:43 PM
Most films follow a formula, especially action films. You know Uncle Ben is going to die, but the whole point is to see it live, on-screen, and have the actors and writing be so good it tears your heart out. What Singer did w/ X-Men is apples and oranges here. He had a whole team and had to pick and choose which origins to convey. As far as I know, there's only ONE hero in Spider-Man. Superman being another example -- the only twist in that film is him reversing time to save Lois. What was a surprise about Burton's Batman? The death of Gwen Stacy is extremely emotionally affecting, despite the fact that we've seen it. The exact events that surround her death don't even have to mirror the comic book -- they could change the scenario around as long as they don't tamper with the origins characterization-wise.
At Least She's Got Talent And Personality, Unlike The Dead-In-Th by Easy Rider	Dec 13th, 2000 12:50:11 PM
I also can't wait till this movie is out and suddenly everybody and their brother is calling it the coolest thing, backtracking on their "This is gonna suck" comments. Twits usually do that.
Black Cat by Lom Halfstruck	Dec 13th, 2000 12:54:48 PM
Surely Miss Dunst should be Alicia, rather than MJ?
Yeah, well call me ballsy, but I'm still not ruling out the poss by axelfoley	Dec 13th, 2000 01:00:39 PM
That's right. The general consensus on this talk back is that a decent MJ a Dunst does not make. I'm no exception, Raimi--PLEASE tell us that Kirsten Dunst's services were called upon for a portrayal of Gwen Stacy. If this is true, I will shit. Now, look there are clues that can support this. First off, Harry posted this "press release" that Dunst got hired to play the "FEMALE LEAD" in the movie. In that entire statement, there's only one place the name Mary Jane Watson pops up, my friends. Nowhere. That's where. Also, you have to take into account that Raimi did indeed say one of the many reasons he took the directing gig was because of his liking of the Death of Gwen storyline. However, whether or not we see the death of Gwen in the first movie is a different story. We still have to see if this movie goes on to a sequel, in which no doubt it will. First thing's first and I realize that, but I would like Sam to stick around for the series. Why not? Well, again, we'll have to see if he fucks up the first time around, but I do have faith in the guy. Back to Dunst as Gwen, she really has the look, personality and overall, I dunno, fucking everything that could possibly- if not for the most part, close enough correlate to the very character of Gwen. Kirsten is NOT an MJ. I hope MJ's in the movie, that's already known, but with this "female lead" inclusion in the statement, and Raimi's philosophy toward making the film "give the fans not what they expect, but what they want" who are we not to give some thought toward the other cheek? Besides, every fan's been practically crowing for Dunst as Gwen from the get go, and this was from when the filmmakers weren't clear whether or not she had a role. Well, look, in one of the many recent script developments for the film, BOTH GWEN and MJ ARE IN THE FRIGGIN' THING. I could go on here, but I've rambled enough. Besides, let's at least hope Kirstin's Gwen, because if she's MJ, Raimi's going to have practically the same credibility of casting when he hired James Franco as Harry. I have nothing personally against Franco, but that was an awful choice.
Mary Jane... by darken	Dec 13th, 2000 01:09:32 PM
From the time I was but a child, I have always pictured famed actress Traci Lords taking the role of Mary Jane. As we all know her willingness to do explicit sex scenes and wear red wigs make her a must for any true fanboy interpretation of the Spiderman Legend. If Raimi thinks he can shy away from giving us, the fans, the true sexual depravity of Spiderman's beloved bride, he is SADLY mistaken. Issue 35 of Marvel's Spiderman clearly depicts Mary as a wayward whorish type willing to experiment with outlandish sexual devices and pasty face geeks like myslef. I will personally picket every theater in the country until I get my fanboy wish of a slutty pornstar portraying Peter Parker lovely lass!
go to www.cinescape.com to view the teaser trailer by SammyG23	Dec 13th, 2000 01:10:58 PM

I agree MistahEyahs!!! by darken	Dec 13th, 2000 01:22:48 PM
The nerve of Raimi to cast some chick who has not shown a willingness to wear red wigs or dye her hair! The travesty! No one who was none born with true genetic red hair should even be considered for the role. Except for that naughty little tart Traci Lords who will fufill my every Mary Jane fantasy. Death to Raimi for trying to cast Mary Jane. And while we're at it, who the hell does he think he is, not casting Jessica Tandy as Peter's Aunt! Who care's if she's dead??? Did her up and make her play the role!
Cast Me Instead?! by babygirl	Dec 13th, 2000 01:34:26 PM
I'd be better than Dunst! Really. www.musicnotes.com
WHAT?! by superc13	Dec 13th, 2000 01:44:17 PM
Oh, man.....after seeing that picture of Alicia Witt you had up yesteday, I though "this is MJ". Now we have Kirsten Dunst....yeah, she'll look as much like Mary Jane as Famke Jansen looked like marvel girl.
Very good casting! by brokentusk	Dec 13th, 2000 01:53:51 PM
I think she'll make a very good Mary Jane. Her chemistry with Maguire will probably be very good and she will look very good with red hair. Kirten Dunst is also quite a good actress, although she did do 'Bring It On'... but she's a babe that looks like Mary Jane so it's fine.
If Anybody Should Play Gwen Stacey, It's Alicia Witt. by Buzz Maverik	Dec 13th, 2000 02:23:04 PM
Gwen was a science major, just like Parker. Witt is a genius. Not an actress with illusions of intelligence and relevance like Geena Davis or Sharon Stone, but a real genius with an I.Q. that would blow your doors off. That's why she was cast as whatever the hell it was she played in DUNE when she was like four and had to deliver a shitload of dialogue and say she like "He is the Jizzsuck Hatrack." You're saying, "If she's so smart, why'd she do URBAN LEGEND." Money. Even geniuses need dough. I could buy Kirsten Dunst in either role. Personally, I just hope they have one girl or the other and don't clutter things up with both characters. For MJ, seeing Kate Hudson as Penny Lane was seeing what I'd always imagined Mary Jane, but I think Dunst or Witt or Prepon (whose style seems too real for this kind of movie) are better suit if the character is younger. The fact is, I know it was in the comic books, but I despise the idea of Mary Jane as a supermodel as much as organic webshooters. Guys like Spiderman might know super-models, but not guys like Peter Parker. It would have made more sense for Mary Jane to work the perfume counter at Bloomingdales or something.
Hot damn that trailer is boring! by superninja	Dec 13th, 2000 02:45:53 PM
It really is. Didn't have the sound up, so maybe the music was cool or something...
Virgin Suicides? by Coopcooper	Dec 13th, 2000 03:12:20 PM
since this was only mentioned in passing, i feel i must comment. this was a recent movie that came out early this year. I had the chance to see it, and it was fantastic. really, a beautifully sad film that i expected less from. now, i'd only seen Dunst in interview with the vampire beforehand, but i was aware that she was making more or less crap movies and her acting in even the trailers to said movies seemed lame. but, because of her performance in virgin suicides i have confidence in her not to be terrible. good even. and she even pulled of the object of desire aspects of the role. but i really hope she's gwen stacy, or at least the character is used. i hope they explore her death at some point. ESPECIALLY because of how brilliantly tragic it was written. they can make the character more interesting if they want to, and that will only benifit her death. keep in mind, the way she dies. now if you're the rabid anti possibly potential spoiler type, stop reading. she is knocked off of the bridge by green goblin, and spiderman shoots a web to save her. he catches her, but the momentum of her fall breaks her neck. now how tragic is that? that is something someone would be crazy not to try and realize in a film. that's golden. Stacy must be one of the only (at the time) current supporting characters in superhero comics not to die and somehow be ressurected. i mean, elektra came back and her death was a fantastic arc in daredevil. but no one would dare bring her back just because that moment is important. and because you have mary jane, but that's beside the point. now, i really don't think Dunst was cast as MJ. esepecially because the statement seemed deliberately coy. Raimi has said time and time again that he wants to make the comic movie that all the fanboys want. and he loves that idea. maybe he has a plan after all. a simple plan showed you he can do a dramatic, serious film. the evil dead stuff shows you he can be goofy and have a hero with a sense of humor. i bet he can pull off the right combination of the two. and don't even mention for love of the game. that was raimi whoring himself. and no self respecting whore loves what they're doing, they just need the money. i say have some faith. i know that's risky, because it could be dashed, but if it does work out its extra cool.
Disappointed. But better choice than Mina Suvari.... by Daredevil	Dec 13th, 2000 03:40:11 PM
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Confirmed on "Corona's Coming Attractions": Miss Dunst is MJ by Smugbug	Dec 13th, 2000 04:04:30 PM
Take a look at their "Spider-Man" site. Corona is listed as a link on AICN.
Wait.... by cheezus	Dec 13th, 2000 04:45:12 PM
Harry posts up a picture of some dude in a bathtub for some other casting story (I dont have very good memory. Damn Beer-Bong!), but doesnt put up a picture of this sexy lady? Harry, whats your problem! I need my jubblies!
Kirsten/Gwen by Elliot_Kane	Dec 13th, 2000 04:50:46 PM
Corona does indeed state that Kirsten is cast as MJ. However, according to the official website of Empire, the top British film mag, Sony have only confirmed - as Harry says - that Kirsten is playing 'the female lead.' I think it is possible that Corona have jumped to the not unreasonable conclusion that this means MJ, as rumour has centered on her for some time. Personally, I think that Raimi is trying to keep us all guessing. Speculation amounts to free hype after all. *** Everyone seems to want Gwen in, so can someone please tell me why? I appreciate she had a great impact on Peter's life, but nobody has yet mentioned anything they like about the character or personality of Gwen herself. If everyone is thinking 'poor Peter' when she dies, isn't that more tragic than the death itself? Who, really, IS Gwen Stacy? I never saw the story arc and I'd really like to know.
Kirsten Dunst and Spidey Teaser by Theta	Dec 13th, 2000 05:13:26 PM
Well, personally, I was rooting for Alicia Witt, but I'll take Kirsten Dunst over Mena Suvari, any day. Yeah, she's not the best, but what can you do? On the teaser; DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME. Unless you have a really fast connection, you will sit, and wait, and then hear a crappy voiceover and see some web special effects. No footage; wait for the trailers.
R.E. The Founder by Klam Bake	Dec 13th, 2000 05:24:59 PM
Um... I hate to admit that I know this much about Peter's love life but, Betty and Pete were seeing each other until a guy named Ned Leeds came along and stole ol' Betty away from Pete. From what I remember he wasn't that broken up about it. He went off to collage the next issue and soon enough met Gwen. Liz wasn't actually Pete's girlfriend but she considered it when she met Mary Jane for the first time. How that works out... Who knows the inner workings of the female mind? So that's that. Marvel Masterworks. Gotta love 'em.
R.E. R.E. The Founder by Klam Bake	Dec 13th, 2000 05:32:10 PM
Oh and she was also the receptionist at the Daily Bugle. Until she quit to marry Ned.
Kirsten Dunst is HOT, baby. by Jonny Quick	Dec 13th, 2000 05:42:51 PM
So, Kirsten Dunst can't play M.J., who grows up to be a supermodel? Ha! Take a look here: http://us.imdb.com/EGallery?08 63-blo/dunstki2.ste That is one slinky, hot young lady.
And another thing. by Klam Bake	Dec 13th, 2000 05:45:03 PM
I was always curious about Betty's position there at the Daily Bugle. If she was in High School who was JJ's receptionist when she was in school and if she was already out of High School? Well... Way to go Peter Parker. Sorry I'm geeking out.
of all people, it had to be her by Kurt Hectic	Dec 13th, 2000 07:10:32 PM
that has to be the shittiest casting job I have ever seen.
MJ, Gwen, Betty, Liz.... by ChezKing	Dec 13th, 2000 07:21:52 PM
C'mon PEOPLE!! Who cares!?!?! We're going to see Spider-man fight The Green Goblin on the big screen!! Everybody is arguing, insulting, getting real analytical! Mellow out...DAMN IT!!!!
Klam Bake and Elliot Kane... by Buzz Maverik	Dec 13th, 2000 11:30:15 PM
Betty Brandt was Peter's age but she dropped out of school due to family problems to work. When Liz Allen liked Peter, she treated Betty like an old lady, calling her "Miss Brandt" etc. Gwen Stacey was Peter Parker's college sweetheart. She was a science major and was originally dating Harry Osbourne. At first, she thought Pete was stuck up because he didn't have anything to do with anyone during the first few weeks of his freshman semester because he was having severe Spider problems. She gave him a hard time, but became more and more intrigued by him, especially when he started dating a hottie named Mary Jane Watson, whom Aunt May had been trying to set him up with for years (we all know those set-ups never look like Mary Jane especially when an adult is doing the set up, which is what Pete was afraid of). They eventually got together and got rather serious. Gwen's father was a retired police captain, who befriended Peter and sort of did a Profile on Spiderman (very interesting, but Marvel never did much with that angle). Captain Stacey figured out that Pete was Spiderman, but kept his secret. While trying to save a child from falling rubble during a Spidey/Doc Ock slugfest, Captain Stacey was killed. Gwen blamed Spiderman and hated him. Later, Norman Osborne, the original Green Goblin, kidnapped Gwen and took her to the Brooklyn Bridge. Spiderman came to her rescue, but when she fell, he snagged her with his web and her neck broke. He was blamed for her murder. As a science major, Gwen had been in several classes of Professor Warren at Empire State University. Prof. Warren took cell samples from his students, including Gwen and Peter. Warren developed a fixation with Gwen and cloned her after she died. His lab assistant got wise, so Warren murdered him and took up the alter ego of the Jackal. Determined to make Spiderman pay for Gwen's death, the Jackal used the cloned Gwen to torment Pete while setting several foes, including the Punisher in his first appearance, against Spiderman. In their final showdown, the Jackal unleashed his greatest creation, a clone of Spiderman/Parker who was killed in an explosion along with the Jackal AND NEVER RETURNED, DO YOU HEAR ME! For a while, Pete worried that he was actually the clone, but realized that being the real PP, he cared for Mary Jane, whereas the clone would have been in love with Gwen.
Dunst's character's name is................ by Uga	Dec 14th, 2000 12:37:34 AM
The Hollywood Reporter says in Thursday's editions that Dunst is playing Mary Jane.
Gwen Stacy and her snapped neck by Damien Thorne	Dec 14th, 2000 02:11:17 AM
Buzz Maverik in his/her post mentioned Gwen's neck snapping when the web hits her. I had to show this to people to prove it to them when I was a kid. No one else had ever noticed. People said the shock of the fall did it. If so, what is the big ass "SNAP" sound effect for? BTW, people have mentioned Laura Prepon as MJ. Alicia Witt would be better in that role or even just sitting there doing nothing. I do think Prepon is hot tho', but on TV acts tomboyish. Intersting note: Prepon comes from some word [latin I think] that means MELON.
Thanx Buzz by Elliot_Kane	Dec 14th, 2000 02:15:05 AM
I appreciate your taking the time to fill me in on Gwen. The impression I'd got from all the other Spidey talkbacks was that Gwen was a nothing character whose only purpose in existence was to die. That rather worried me, especially as everyone seemed to love the idea so much. No-one has ever said that they like or respect her as a character, or that they want to see her for herself. That kind of character is bad enough in comics, but worse on film. If the female lead has no personality (A charge that could never be levelled at MJ) it detracts from everything else. If a major character (albeit supporting cast) dies and you feel nothing for them, how poor is the quality of the writing? Incidentally, what happened to Gwen's clone?
Gwen's Clone... by Buzz Maverik	Dec 14th, 2000 07:45:50 AM
...went off to start a new life at the end of #149, and as far as I know or want to know, will never be seen again.
Where's that confounded bridge? by Vaultkeeper	Dec 14th, 2000 08:10:11 AM
Several posters have made reference to Gwen being tossed off the Brooklyn Bridge. It's nit-picking I know, but the structure mentioned in the comic stories was the George Washington Bridge. Spiderman makes a remark something along the lines of "it figures Osborne would pick something named after his favorite president", a jab at Osborne's greed. Now, not being a New Yorker, I don't know if they're the same bridge. Anybody? As for the neck "snap", the Goblin is the first to put forth the "shock of a sudden fall" explanation moments after her death and it remains in place for years. The first time I remember them dealing with the snapped neck was in "What If Gwen Stacy had Lived" around 1982. Here Spidey realizes that the sudden stop could kill her, so instead of firing a web-line, he matches speed and catches her. I've never seen another instance where Parker recognizes his own contribution to Gwen's death.
Whatever Happened to Mary Jane? by Parlo	Dec 14th, 2000 08:22:12 AM
Um... curious. I'm not sure what's going on with Raimi ...he's extremely wishy washy. First he was all jazzed on Alicia (a big talent that SOMEONE needs to give a real shot to) then I read he was all into Kate Hudson (like every other hype influenced person in Hollywood) and now its Kirsten Dunst? Hmmm... Casting is probably a nightmare of conflicting egos when you're dealing with a major studio franchise hopeful. There's probably 17 people and 23 lawyers involved. PS LOVED Dunst in Virgin Suicides and Bring It On but still wish he was sticking to his instincts with Alicia Witt.
Thanks! by Klam Bake	Dec 14th, 2000 08:26:42 AM
Buzz Maverik, I'm humbled in your presence.
Thanx again Buzz by Elliot_Kane	Dec 14th, 2000 08:36:04 AM
I appreciate your help.*** Does anyone out there actually want to see Gwen return to comics - either in Spidey or elsewhere? Are there ANY actual Gwen fans out there at all?
Marvel Online confirms... by Elliot_Kane	Dec 14th, 2000 11:21:09 AM

Marvel Online confirms... by Elliot_Kane	Dec 14th, 2000 11:22:39 AM
that Kirsten has been cast as MJ. It also gives the film release date as May 3rd 2002.
Gee, you mean it's not gonna be.......... by Beau	Dec 14th, 2000 11:47:01 AM
......CHYNA?!?!?!?!? I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOO disappointed. :(
I said, I said....... by Beau	Dec 14th, 2000 11:49:24 AM
....that was a joke, son.
Father Geek by superninja	Dec 14th, 2000 02:49:27 PM
What happened to the thread on the Spider-Man Trailer that was up last night?
OOPS!! Major mistake on my last post!! by Psyclops	Dec 14th, 2000 05:43:01 PM
I posted the wrong number for the 'Spider-man' extras (Someone in the 310 area code must be pissed!)-- Anyway, the correct number is (323) 653-4105. I really am sorry about this.

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