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PLAN OF ACTION!!!Additional Info: Official WB Word About BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER

Let's just hope... by Mr. Sartre	Oct 4th, 2000 03:51:50 AM
that our wants will not be deprived and the original version of this film is released. I do get the feeling Warner Bros. is lying to save themselves from the backlash of angry fans. I've been looking forward to "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" for a long time now. If the studio suits wind up shafting everyone, expect a big run on bootlegged versions on e-bay and other sites. If this re-editing news is true, I'll be paying my for the bootleg while I in turn will be giving WB the shaft, I can tell you that much. Take care
The best thing we can hope for... by Lujho	Oct 4th, 2000 04:24:50 AM
... if it IS being edited, is that sometime after the first release will be an uncut release. They can make it a super duper collector's edition as well, to make it up to us for having to wait so long. Another example of a DVD where two versions were released, one for adults and one for children, was disney's Tarzan, although on that case the content of the actual film was not changed, only the extras.
Box art... by Dlhstar	Oct 4th, 2000 04:35:45 AM
I have to take WB to task on one other element: Their box art is always a little questionable in quality. My idea: Solid black box, red BB emblem at the bottom, faint outline of the BB figure around it, and red circuitry lines in the background that eventually align to form the facial features of the Joker. I just watched the express.com trailer... I got chills. If there must be any cuts, offer VHS in TWO VERSIONS and the DVD with parental lockout.
People... hear my desperate cry!!!... by Psyclops	Oct 4th, 2000 04:37:18 AM
If anybody... ANYBODY... has access to a copy of this original version... Please contact me! I am going mad! MAD I TELL YOU!!
help by batman1111	Oct 4th, 2000 04:46:41 AM
please emial me if anyone has a copy of this movie ill pay for it if you have it i must see it thanks email is greenspt@flash.net
2 questions by Toby O Notoby	Oct 4th, 2000 05:24:27 AM
One: WB doesn't have a very good excuse, is it? I mean, if there were color problems or pressing problems or something, it would ring more true. But more special features? Doesn't that mean that somehow they have to actually put some on? You can't delay a DVD because of "added features" then release it month late without any extras. Two: Why would WB lie if they already know that they could be caught? Screener tapes are out there, it would be pretty easy to see if some edits were made. I'm not defending them, I'm just saying that maybe there is hope. Then again, a week after H'wood was lashed for marketing violence towards children, this could all be very, very real.
This means WAR!!! by Joe Isuzu	Oct 4th, 2000 06:12:07 AM
If this is true, this is CENSORSHIP. Now, I'll be the first to admit that this doesn't mean that government censors are getting their hands on this and deciding what is "acceptable", but the Gore/Lieberman ticket has THREATENED as much if "evil" Hollywood doesn't change it's "nefarious" ways. Now, I'm not naive in thinking that it's not the view of some Republicans that some changes should be made, but when most of their diatribe is aimed at PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, I can't see them joining Lieberman and both Gores in a Hollywood witchhunt. And I can see the cowardly suits (played by Wilford Brimley and Don Ameche) wheezing into their phones and calling their assistants to get on record as being "for America's kids" and "against the kind of violence shown on TV that causes such great tragedies as Columbine"... Well, if all we do is boycott this thing, they will just think it didn't do well and use that to kill any future Dini-lead projects. We need that petition thing to send to them... You don't REALLY think we should leave it up to the WB suits to figure it out on their own, do you? Look, if there's any doubt about CENSORSHIP being in play here, consider this: The original creators' vision is not going to see the light of day because of GOVERNMENT pressure. 'nuff said.
This would be such a tragedy if it's true... by TheCorpulent1	Oct 4th, 2000 06:29:38 AM
I, like many of AICN's visitors and reviewers, am a huge comic book fan. I have been for quite some time now. I haven't read a whole lot of Batman comics, as I tend to stick mainly to Marvel, but I am fully aware that the animated series' Joker has been so much more watered-down and clownish than the comics' Joker that they're practically two different characters. I was hoping this movie would finally be my chance to see the cruel, sadistic Joker of lore - the Joker who murdered the second Robin, the Joker who maimed Barbara Gordon, and did it all with a smile on his face - would finally be animated in all his evil glory. Sadly, the suits seem to be taking that away from me and every other Batman fan who feels the same way, just because they're too paranoid about the movie not being P.C. and castrated enough to keep some imaginary protective bubble around kids (because let's face it, kids know about violence and most other bad things by the time they hit 2nd grade...It's in the news graphically almost 24/7). I'm usually one of those people who likes to do things by-the-book and make sure everything I do is done the right way, but if all that's going to be out there is some watered-down crap, I'm sure as hell gonna be searching for a bootleg for myself. I've seen editing for American kids take the balls out of Dragon Ball Z for the past 4 or 5 years and I'd hate to see it happen to Batman too.
DVD ratings by wdowler	Oct 4th, 2000 06:59:59 AM
Why are the movie studios ignoring the built-in ratings capabilities of DVD players? If I understand correctly, the DVD format allows each scene to have its own rating. The player can lock out scenes with a given rating, and just skip them, moving on to the next. They can put both edits on the disc, and allow parents to choose the version they want their kids to see. Granted, this assumes that parents read the manuals, which is rarely the case, but it's a step in the right direction. Why else does that feature exist?
Im telling you this for the last time...... by NUXX	Oct 4th, 2000 07:10:54 AM
If they DO kiddie-edit this, ill be first in line ON ANY PIRATE SITE OUT THERE to get a copy. If this turns out bogus, im even ready to demean myself to a VCD version. Warner - Get your shit together. A lot of us out here are adults, im closing in on 30, and i still buy comics (Now mostly VERTIGO stuff, but also the occasional MARVEL or DC title) Comics and animated movies are not just for kids anymore. Where do you people think the money is, fools? Only so much allowance goes on Pok
Having seen this movie..... by Jon Zuckerman	Oct 4th, 2000 07:20:48 AM
...I can't tell you how disappointed I am. Best Buy had Batman DVD for sale for $9.99.I said what the hell and bought it.I am returning it tonight-I forgot how bad a movie is is, and now this is how they treat the best Batman movie yet made. I don't have any hope for Year One,no matter who's involved. I have a screener for this.I was so blown awasy by the sequence in question here,I rewound it and rewatched it twice-IT"S FANTASTIC!!!!It should be rated PG,but remember it's a cartoon!JEEZ! The Joker is so "on" here. True it is the Joker from Killing Joker,his dialogue is amazing,simply amazing.This backflash sequence is the best I've ever seen, live action or animated. AMAZING,AMAZING,AMAZING.Thank you Paul Dini! I will guess the scenes in question are(SPOILER).................. .............................. .............................. ...............the torture of Robin and the Joker stabbing Batman with a knife. Too bad. If this is recut I won't buy the DVD,I'll just watch the screener forever.They should release more than one version-one for the kiddies and one for us who want it the way Paul Dini intended.
Wasn't the violence edited out of Bugs Bunny in the early 80's? by Cruel Shoes	Oct 4th, 2000 07:26:32 AM
Thus sparing the generation that would come after mine from being influenced by such violence. Oh by the way, THAT particular generation was the first to murder each other in massive scales in their High Schools. Perhaps if Bugs Bunny were still blowing Elmer's head off with a big ass shotgun, a child or two of the Columbine Generation might have tapped Mom or Dad on the shoulder and asked a pertinent question. Oh, wait, I forgot, parents have nothing to do with the outcome of their child. The success/failure rate of all children falls on the shoulders of Jack Valenti. I want an apology from the parental action groups of the 80's for the editing of Bugs Bunny, and then I want them to apologise for Columbine. A friend showed me an old comic book with and ad for a B B Gun in it. There was a 12 year old kid with a look of pure glee on his face. My friend had a pop culturally superior "it's funny because we know better now, in 2000, where we don't make mistakes" kind of laugh at it. But do you think if Old Pa Klebold had bought his son a B B Gun and spent a couple Saturday afternoons showing him the proper way to carry it, load it, and what not to do, that he would've grown up with such disrespect for firearms? Banning information and experience and the possibility of discussion of a topic does not make the problem fail to exist, it only makes those who have banned the topic from existence feel that things are getting better. I suggest they all stand on a bridge and chant "gravity doesn't exist, never has" 100 times, no 500 times (so it'll really go away) and then jump.
Comics and cartoons are for children... by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 07:27:32 AM
...and should be created and marketed with that in mind. The self-absorbed refusal of the last two generations of adolescents and adults to grow up and embrace mature forms of entertainment shouldn't be permitted to rob kids of simple, innocent entertainment. You overgrown doofuses have already taken Halloween away from the kids; leave cartoons alone.
The Village People poster is an idiot by Kerle	Oct 4th, 2000 07:48:19 AM
In addition to being one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen, the point of view he espouses is absurd. The idea that an entire medium is good only for one market - and could not possibly have any appeal beyond said market - is quite simple the silliest thing I've heard today (and I work at a newspaper, so that's saying something!). Were he to suggest that foreign movies could only be appreciated by art professors, or that novels are only meant for college students, no one would take him seriously. That shouldn't change just because his targets are cartoons or comics.
Re: Village People by NUXX	Oct 4th, 2000 08:01:37 AM
Comics & Cartoons are for children? WTF? Are you still living in the 70
Copies of the screener by DarkPrinceVegita	Oct 4th, 2000 08:02:54 AM
If anyone could send me a copy of the screener I would pay them whatever amount of money they ask. Now, if I get my hands on a copy I will make sure to make millions of copys for everyone who doesn't want a watered down crap version of this movie for FREE. I do distribute fansubs so I can make a hefty amount of copies in a short amount of time. Just email me and lets see what happens
I agree... by Kerle	Oct 4th, 2000 08:11:40 AM
I have the equipment to make good SVCD copies off most of the common sources at my disposal - whether WB releases this film uncut or not, I can tell you that I will have a good copy - no matter how long it takes me to find it. I'd pay for it if they released it, but I will not buy or otherwise support needless censorship of this sort.
again, where do I sign? by Hotwire	Oct 4th, 2000 08:11:47 AM
Harry, start a patittion (or however y'spell it) now, do it now and I, and every person I can find from the aniame fans I know to the comic geeks will sign it. thats at least seventy people just from the groups I can wrangle. we have to show these jackasses that people over the age of 15 are fanaticly interested in animation. the anime fans I know have been awating this as a kind of second coming of American animation. we want the Otaku of the USA to have something to be proud of. I personaly will refuse to buy anything but the untouched version of this film, and if you make one, I will try to convince everyone I can to sign a pattiton that sas so. another battle for creative freedom is begining, will the rest of you give up before it begins? or rise up in one voice and tell Washington that they can sit on it and spin? I dont know about you but I'm not backing down, if we don't start to fight this NOW, it wont get fought.
Censorship makes me furious! by MrFurious	Oct 4th, 2000 08:43:04 AM
For all of you fanboys out there, I call you to rally behind the only word that might make WB listen! BOYCOTT !!!!! ("FIREBOMB" also works here, but I hear whispers that it's illegal..) I was ready to buy this DVD opening day, sight unseen. If it's a cut version, I won't even rent it. I'm just not interested. And yes, the Pirate market will be phenomenal for this thing. So those of you with screener copies, start your engines. And just to educate this angry fanatic, could someone tell me what a VCD is?
Preach it Hotwire! by MarkAndrew	Oct 4th, 2000 08:47:03 AM
So, what can we do as consumers? Is there an executive or department at Warner that we can email or snail mail? We as adults (since this IS going to be marketed to adults, right Warner :-) need to do more than just post talk backs about this. If anyone can provide information about how we can apply leverage to these people, we need it now.
VCD by Kerle	Oct 4th, 2000 08:48:57 AM
VCD is Video CD - they're playable in most DVD players, and virtually any computer than can decode MPG's. The quality is generally around VHS, though it can be better or worse depending on who handles the job. Guess what the "S" stands for.
"Batman" & Election Year Politics by Pietro_Kozlowski	Oct 4th, 2000 09:27:04 AM
The most disturbing sense I get from this story (and I suspect it to be true) is the timing, as I seriously doubt WB would be getting so uptight about scenes of excess violence were it any other time than an election year. Here, perhaps fearing that should either Bush or Lieberman get into office with their anti-Hollywood sabres at the ready, that Hollywood could face some type of creative threat. Thus, WB is behaving itself for now, and waiting for the political dust to settle after November 7th. It's too bad, all around. I'd really like to see that uncut footage. However, at best such an uncut DVD would likely fail to see distribution until next year. But at worst, it might also never see the light outside of Warner's vaults.
Can't they release both versions? by Sismik Lad	Oct 4th, 2000 09:44:24 AM
I know that a few years back, I bought a Street Fighter animated movie. There were 2 versions. A G and a PG 13. I don't think there's anything wrong with a toned down one for kids but I do not think the real fans should have to suffer for it. Give us the real deal, to us, the big kids! -Sismik Lad
Bootleg version by DarkPrinceVegita	Oct 4th, 2000 09:46:39 AM
Ghibi, if Wb has its way, then a bootleg version is pretty much the only way anyone will see the REAL movie. I have done if for years now with Dragonball Z. I and many other fans have watched DBZ with shitty quality while the show is shown on TV in great quality but....its censored and watered down. Plus the bootleg version is not going to be bad quality, if it is copied with good video equptment, i should look great. lets hope the WB won't censor it though.
Censorship is undeniably bad, but by Lizzybeth	Oct 4th, 2000 09:47:15 AM
doesn't the fact that they're trying to give a movie like this a "G" rating indicate that the industry IS aiming violent content at children? It is one thing to produce violent content for adults and allow parents to decide if their child is ready to view it, and another to market it for children. This does not sound like a G-rated movie to me. When are they going to advertise this movie? During the afternoon cartoons? And yet, I don't think they wrote this with the younger viewers in mind. Would it not be better to simply rate the movie as it deserves to be rated, and market it for the young adult/teen kids (who would have been at Cartoon age for the original batman animated series), advertise it during the WB teen shows (it is WB-affiliated, right?), rather than cut it? The whole thing stinks.
whoops, I meant by Lizzybeth	Oct 4th, 2000 09:54:41 AM
that the WB can advertise in a number of places besides its cartoon shows.. They can market it to Batman fans, comics fans, and during their older-skewed shows, instead of relegating it to the cartoon block. Villiage People I heartedly disagree with -- cartoons can be a medium for adults as Japan has shown time and time again, there just needs to be a seperation of the two.. kiddie cartoons should not be lumped in with the ones written with adults in mind. It's all yet another example of how studios circumvent the ratings system to get more profit, and it's the fans who lose.
Leave it to the Hollywood fatheads... by Mockingbird Girl	Oct 4th, 2000 10:29:14 AM
...to panic unnecessarily. Although it's true that there is a certain amount of election-year politicking on the issue from BOTH parties, the fact of the matter is that the politicos have only focused on the MARKETING of violent and/or sexual materials, and not the content. All Warner Bros. has to do is put a rating sticker on the box and avoid aiming their advertising to 6-year-olds, and no one will complain. While it's easy to blame the Democrats/Republicans/Congress , I have not heard ANY politician claim that movies and or television shows should be re-edited or censored for content.
Boycot the damn thing by Project: 2501	Oct 4th, 2000 10:30:12 AM
Don't give 'em the cheddar til they give us the content. If a kid can't figure out that movies are entertainment and not bibles for self-damnation then they've failed a test of life. No big deal, natural selection can be a bitch.
"we can't broadcast this" ?!?! by Hjermsted	Oct 4th, 2000 10:30:21 AM
Save your edits for the TV version. Don't fck with the DVD!! As for the grim escalated violence, I'm telling you a warning label will suffice along with a PG-13 rating. The industry invented rating systems and warning labels so that gross artistic censorship would NOT have to take place. How dare you turn these parental information devices into yet another damned marketing tool?! And why on earth are you boughing to election year pressure? Don't you realize that the issues/platforms brought up while campaigning are merely lies told by the politicians in order to get elected? C'mon, where you been the past 35 years? The heat is off of Hollywood after Election Day. The "Hollywood is evil" thing only happens once every four years. You have a mere four weeks left to endure it, then you can release the Batman Beyond film the way the artists intend it and the way the fans want it. Don't fck with the fans, we WILL turn on you...
Catch-22 by cuznjean	Oct 4th, 2000 10:32:57 AM
If someone starts a petition, I'll definitely sign it, and I know a lot of other people who will, too. I don't know if I agree with a boycott, though. Like someone already said, if a boycott of the watered down version has any siginificant effect on video and DVD sales, the WB execs would likely just assume that it didn't sell because it was no good, and would threaten any future Paul Dini-helmed projects. I want to support Dini and company, we know that they're capable of producing masterpieces even if the people they work for never let us see those masterpieces. At any rate, whichever is true, it can't hurt anything to let WB know how we as adult fans and collectors feel about this rumor, whether it's through a petition or a letter writing campaign. If somebody does start a petition, please let me know, and I will link to it from my web site, Joker's Realm (welcome.to/DivineMadness), which is frequented by a lot of hard core Joker fans whom I am sure will be willing and eager to participate in a campaign to preserve this appropriately evil version of the Joker.
Thanks a bunch by PoxyVonSinister	Oct 4th, 2000 10:42:50 AM
So once again, my entertainment options are being limited to those of a six-year-old child because somebody decided Hollywood should raise our children. Sorry, I've been six years old, I'd like to think I've grown a little beyond that now. I'm not saying we should be letting children watch R or X rated movies, but the longer you shelter a child from the realities of this world, you have one of two things happen: either they're completely unprepared for it when they encounter it on their own, or they become even MORE curious about these "taboo" subjects and begin to explore them without the benefit of parental guidance. I mean, maybe Hollywood DID target children with some of their advertising, but who is ultimately repsonsible for whether or not the child sees the product? The PARENTS. Just because a child sees something they want on TV doesn't mean they have to see it. Someone gave that child money to go. Someone took that child to a theater. Someone saw the child was underage and took their money anyway. And NONE of those someones was Hollywood. But people are always more willing to cast stones than to look in the mirror, so we have stupidity like this happening.
Anyone willing to sell a copy of the original? by DigitalKnight	Oct 4th, 2000 10:46:49 AM
If you have the uncut version, and willing to make copies of it to sell. E-mail me at digitalknight16@hotmail.com
Don't be naive by G$fresh	Oct 4th, 2000 10:47:17 AM
Read between the lines Harry. Another word for PR is BS. After reading all of the spy stuff you received I find it hard to believe that they aren't making horrifying cuts. If the ROTJ is released with major edits
Ahh, Nuxx... by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 11:00:06 AM
...you're exactly the kind of self-important, overgrown kid I was hoping to catch in my net. Thanks for a couple of minutes of easy entertainment. :-) ("living in the Seventies" was worth the price of admission alone. ROFL.)
Boycott BB, write to WB in protest. by TheExtra	Oct 4th, 2000 11:13:30 AM
I for one, and I urge everyone to do this, to go over to the W.B. website, get every e-mail address you can get and write to them telling them you will not purchase, rent, or watch Batman Beyond:The Return of the Joker until a version in release in an 'UNCUT' and 'UNEDITED' state.
CuznJean is right... by MrFurious	Oct 4th, 2000 11:21:55 AM
A simple boycott of the video might tell WB that the Batman Beyond/Paul Dini project just wasn't a success. Now I'm not saying drop the boycott, be good little automatons, and buy the video for Paul Dini's sake. I just think that this point really nails home the need for a petition as well. We need to not only make sure that a censored version fails, we need to make sure that WB knows why it failed. So I'm gonna go check outthe official WB Batman/Superman Adventures site and find a contact address. If anybody already has it, post it now. If anyone has a better idea, I'm all ears. I've got me an industrial-grade, 12-foot long, stainless steel with 24-karat gold trim, customized pnuematic crowbar, and I intend to either help pry the WB's exec's collective heads out of their collective asses, or shove the whole uncomfortable contraption right up there to make it a little more crowded. Who's with me?
Yes by Pietro_Kozlowski	Oct 4th, 2000 11:35:46 AM
I am, Mr. Furious. Let's keep in touch on this petition idea, kids. The net is a powerful tool. Let's use it to make our voices heard....just constructively. mail: chv@dead-projectionist.com
WE NEED a successful petition against WB! Pronto! by Bregalad_	Oct 4th, 2000 11:40:55 AM
Remember when the idiots at Buena Vista were out to ruin the upcoming Princess Mononoke DVD? Well, if Nausicaa.net could have a successful petition against the simians at Buena Vista Home Video, the WE CAN TOO against W.B. Harry, who do we write? Who is the best target for floods of mail, faxes, e-petitions, and angry phone calls? YOU GODDAMN DIRTY APES! Leave the DVD content alone, RATE it properly as PG, and don't run violent ads during the Histeria! show. Is that so damn hard? .............. Geez, THE IRON GIANT was properly rated as PG, and nobody had to cut anything out of that amazing masterpiece! Get some perspective, WB, and stop playing global parent!
contacting WB by cuznjean	Oct 4th, 2000 11:42:43 AM
I combed all over the WB website and they don't post their e-mail or contact info anywhere. The best I could come up with was their customer service form: http://www.wb.com/pages/help/h elp_feedback.jsp ... I couldn't find a snail mail address, either. We could all go bombard their form mailer with protests, but that would probably just make them angry and cause them to take their form offline. If anybody can find out actual e-mail addresses for the people in charge of this thing, or better yet, a snail mail address where we can send real, tangible letters (hard letters on actual paper tend to get attention better than e-mail), please post them here.
Get bent WB by IAmLegolas	Oct 4th, 2000 11:45:49 AM
Shove that frickin' frog right up your frickin' arse!!!
Writing to WB by TheExtra	Oct 4th, 2000 11:58:13 AM
I havent yet found a sinle address there to voice complaints, but I've been going to every page on the site and emailing every address I find with the same letter of dissatisfaction about the butchering of BB:TRotJ. I urge all the other fans to do the same until a formal petition is drawn up here....
Hey, Harry, thank your buddies Joe Lieberman and Al Gore by freexter	Oct 4th, 2000 12:01:35 PM
...for this, buddy! Some Democrats! If they'd kept their mouths shut this wouldn't be happening. The pieces of hypocritical bullshit artists! VOTE FOR NADER! VOTE FOR CHANGE! VOTE FOR COMMON SENSE!
WB "BB" Message Board by Pietro_Kozlowski	Oct 4th, 2000 12:05:13 PM
http://www.wb.com/pages/messag eboard/board.jsp?board=-536882 600 Try linking to the above. It's WB's community message board regarding all things "Batman Beyond." Perhaps it isn't the most effective tactic right now, as WB could just unplug their server & erase all anti-censorship posts, but it's a start. Jean, write me if you wanna team-up on drafting a basic petition about this.
WB mailing address by WinkinBlinkinNod	Oct 4th, 2000 12:14:38 PM
hey guys, don't know if this will help but i did some digging and the WB Network/Warner Bros. Animation/Warner Bros. TV mailing address is........ 4000 Warner Blvd. Building 178, Burbank CA 91522. let's get a petition started and flood these pricks. email me at lindelos@hotmail.com
But you can trust Al Gore? by D'Jesus	Oct 4th, 2000 12:16:25 PM

still hope by xander_rules	Oct 4th, 2000 12:31:52 PM
Ok, well this all sucks royally. On the other hand, I'm not expecting the worse on this one. I actually expected something like this might happen a few months ago once word started going about how violent ROTJ was going to be (of course this only fueled my desire to see it). The reason I'm not expecting the worse, is because as a die-hard Buffy The Vampire Slayer fans know, we went through some of the worst censorship at the end of the 3rd season, the same time as the Columbine murders. When the WB decided not to show the season finale in the US, they made one HUGE mistake; they had already shown the episode in Canada. Within days, legions of fans had already begun the bootlegging (I still have mine as a souviner), and the best part was, no one was charging more than 5 bucks, roughly the price of the tape and postage. Warner Bros. already made the mistake of realeasing hundreds of screening copies of ROTJ, and if these censoring rumors are true, I hope the fans with the tapes will begin distributing as many copies as they can make of the uncut version. Still, at the risk of hurting sales if Warner decides not to cut the DVD, it would be smarter to wait until the truth is revealed. but if worse comes to worse, indystokes@aol.com wants a copy :)
I just talked to WB...good news...I hope! by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 12:35:04 PM

I just talked to WB...good news...I hope! by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 12:38:30 PM
I just talked to "Josh" at WB Home Video who said that the reason it was delayed was because they didn't want it to get lost in the "Halloween movies", so they decided to release it closer to the holidays in hope that people would buy it as a gift, etc....blah blah. Now this I actually DO believe, it makes sense. I asked him if anything was being cut out, he said "NO." I said, "Anything added?" He said, "Actually, they may add to the DVD now that there is more time." ALL OF THESE THINGS IN QUOTES ARE EXACT QUOTES. So...now let's see... I personally believe this theory. So, let's ride this one a little longer before we march...hehe.
Me again by Jon Zuckerman	Oct 4th, 2000 12:40:32 PM
I can't see how they can cut this and make it work.They WILL have to make new scenes to fill in the blanks.And the end of the last Batman/Joker confrontation doesn't make sense........(spoilers) without the stabwound!AAARRRGGGHHH! LEAVE THIS MOVIE ALONE!!!! BTW,This film runs only 74 minutes as it is.
why does no one use the dvd parental controls function, we can c by sonatinas	Oct 4th, 2000 12:44:17 PM
i mean, congress and shit talk about parental controls and all that, but no1 uses it cept the porn people
Comics and cartoons are for adults by holidill	Oct 4th, 2000 12:44:33 PM
Village People you are one of the stupidest people out there. You cannot pigeonhole something as only for children. Comics and cartoons are for everyone, I'm assuming if you have kids you don't sit and watch cartoons with them, and if you do do you laugh and chuckle and say aww only kids would love this. Idiot. I assume you have never been to Japan before. I never have either, but over there comics and cartoons are for everyone. They have the kids shows and they have the adult shows and comics. There comics and cartoons are a true art form. I am 27 years old and I must be a big loser because I like comics and cartoons. I must also live in my parent's basement and am a perpetual virgin, I mean that's what kid's are right? You don't know me so don't even dare calling me a child. Oh and if you are getting off on having someone respond so boisterously to your idiotic postings I feel pity for you. Cartoons are for everyone, ask anyone. Hell my girlfriend has a big collection of Disney films and she doesn't have any kids. Is she anticipating having some just to share these cartoons with. She hasn't told me anything about children yet, we like the films and we enjoy them. Say what you like, Cartoons are fun, ask anyone, they will say they all secretly love to watch the Charlie Brown Christmas special, of Garfield, hell the Transformers and Gi Joe are making a comeback. Hate to break this to you Village people, there are a lot more of us out there who enjoy the animated/cartoon world, and we all are not losers who live in our parent's basements. Idiot...
One more thing... by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 12:44:52 PM
"Josh" at WB Home Video in Burbank, says, "Yeah what happen was everybody saw it and like thought WOW this could stand on its own as a theatrical release, so we wanted to wait until Halloween was over."
Harry and Who?Dini by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 12:58:12 PM
Harry -- Ya think since you and Dini are buddies, you'd have some pull and get some sort of "real" scoop out of this? Or maybe an official announcement from the DubbyaBee? Seems odd that you've really added NO insight (or is that incite, to you Harry? Piss off the geeks, Harry's website makes money...) to this at all, in fact I found more information with one phone call than you've provided in two days and you are "friends" with the fuckin' writer! EVERYONE -- Harry is full of shit here and I don't like it. I think there is much more to this than it seems. First of all, why does the website say OCtober 24 but the poster in my room says OCtober 31? Then they changed the date from October 31 to December 12...like two weeks ago. And suddenly, when news is slow, Harry pops this up. I dunno. Seems like publicity for his buddy? Maybe. Slow news day? Maybe. Fire up the fanboys? Maybe. Maybe a little bit of all these things. But as far as I'm concerned Harry you SUCK as a journalist. For the following reasons: 1. You failed to break the story until days if not weeks later. 2. You offered NO insight other than..."Hmmm...let's see..." 3. You have been outscooped in one phone call. Poor. 4. You are friends with the main man on the project and all you tell us is "No Comment." What the hell is that? Get more out of Dini and don't tell us his name. Make him your "Deep Throat." Think Harry. Or are you really one of those fanboy losers who'd rather say "I know Paul Dini then actually get the facts for the story." I think you get off on the name dropping. 5. Let's stop posting "I knew a guy who knew this guy..." Facts, fatty. Facts. Get them right. Get a name. Get a quote. Otherwise it didn't FUCKING happen. More to come... The fatman's reign will tumble...
Holding pattern? by Pietro_Kozlowski	Oct 4th, 2000 01:00:41 PM
Stone: Thanks for that info. Hopefully, your WB Home Vid buddies are being straight with you - but just in case, I've drafted a protest letter and fired copies to Jean to mull over. We'll see what happens, I guess.
aargh! by bumetalman	Oct 4th, 2000 01:17:03 PM
I've got to get in on this action here too, I mean I bought the Batman Beyond DVD recently to psyche myself up For Return of the Joker, now its getting screwed with? I forget who drafted a petition, but I want in, so I'm giving my support to us fans out there that are tired of being patronized and belittled. Well, send me any ideas anyone has at hedbangah@netscape.net, and send the WB(We Blow) a nice strong message.
I also would like to get an uncut bootleg copy by deanduck	Oct 4th, 2000 01:18:16 PM
I have nothing original to say about what WB is doing. It is just more censorship and letting children decide what I get to watch! If the movie is cut, I will not buy a copy from WB and in any way support them. If anyone has a copy of the unedited movie and could copy it for me, I would be VERY interested and willing to pay! So please contact me a mary414@hotmail.com
one more thing by bumetalman	Oct 4th, 2000 01:21:37 PM
forgot to mention that I too would love a bootleg and would pay a good price for one if there is any out there, please email me at hedbangah@netscape.net. WB still sucks
This is breaking my heart. by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 01:29:28 PM
Probably Dini & Co. as well. I'm such a comic geek, that much is obvious, but at this point, I'm almost wishing they had never made this film. To tease us with what it could be, then to released a pared down version is just horrendous. This is a HORRIBLE PR debacle on the part of the WB. They should've controlled the screening environment more tightly if they never wanted word of an "edgier" version to get out. Tragic.
Holidill: "I am 27 years old and I must be a big loser " by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 01:29:51 PM
I love you guys. I really, really do. Thanks again. :-)
Paying Attention WB?.......... by Jon Zuckerman	Oct 4th, 2000 01:30:05 PM
....seems like alot of guys want bootlegs of the uncut version.You've lost about some $$$ on this thread alone.
Actually, Miller's Dark Knight was censored too... (sorta spoile by rap12	Oct 4th, 2000 01:34:58 PM
...in that a DC guy once told me that Frank Miller's original intent was to show exactly what did happen to Jason Todd -- tortured, raped, and murdered by the Joker. DC put their foot down at this and instead issued a cleaner version of the story in the "Death in the Family" storyline. The reason I mention spoiler is that Cerebus mentioned something along these lines before. In any case, there is no reason to believe anything Warner's says (remember Iron Giant?). By the way, Village People is an idiot. Peace.
By the way, if you listened to the Senate hearings on "Violence by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 01:40:23 PM
Only two of the big studios, Dreamworks and I believe United Artists, refused to cowtow by saying that certain films that had historical significance (ie Saving Private Ryan) or important lessons (American Beauty) would be adamantly kept away from younger viewers. Every other exec was falling over themselves to bend over for McCain and Co. I was going to vote for Gore/Lieberman, but at this point, I'm seriously reconsidering due to their pandering attacks on the media. I DO agree this film, if as dark as described, should get a PG-13 rating, and not a G. But that is Warner's own fault for greenlighting it in the first place and slapping on the wrong rating. I'll say it again -- GET YOUR PR $HIT TOGETHER WB. This is a nightmare for the non-kiddie fans of Batman. This is your AUDIENCE that brought in so much money on the live-action Batman and Batman Returns. These are the people you're screwing over who will see a live action Batman Beyond and Year One film. Think.
Shane Glines by illiterature	Oct 4th, 2000 01:43:29 PM
Over on Shane Glines' site's message board he replied to a post about this same subject. re: Batman Beyond Movie Gets Cut? I wish I could say something about this, but i'd better just keep my mouth shut; I may need to work for the W.B. again someday. Your best bet is ain't it cool news. S. If anyone is unaware, Shane is a Character Designer who's worked on Batman/Superman/Batman Beyond. http://www.shaneglines.com or for the message board address http://pluto.beseen.com/boardr oom/i/51606
Village People..... by NUXX	Oct 4th, 2000 01:43:55 PM
Well.... Let me find my dictionary......Hmmmm..."Self- important" = Confident. Possibly an inflated ego, but still confident...."Overgrown Kid"....Yes..There it is...Overgrown kid...Well, thats basically an adult, right? A kid thats overgrown? You
StoneHelper by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 01:48:41 PM
Dini said "No comment" not to just Harry but to other outlets. That is not good news when the creator, who should be proud of his product refuses to affirm that DVD extras are being added for a Christmas release. If that were the case, I think Dini would be MORE THAN HAPPY to speak on the subject. Dini's silence alone says volumes to me.
cerberus, read this and email me by bumetalman	Oct 4th, 2000 01:55:56 PM
Hey cerberus, id love to see that screener copy, and im sure you'll get bombarded with requests to see it, but, if you can squeeze in the time, id love to get a bootleg from ya, for a fee of course, but, hey if you will consider me, id be most appreciative hedbangah@netscape.net thanks in advance
Dini's "No comment" by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 01:57:32 PM
Why tell a friend "no comment."? Why not ask him to tell the truth and have Harry preserve his anonimity (bad spell - writing fast)??? He doesn't tell us who any of his other "spies" are...
StoneHelper by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 01:59:51 PM
You are asking a question you already know the answer to.
NEW RULE by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 02:03:03 PM
Hi Ninjaboy... Okay maybe talking in riddles got you through ninja school, but what are you saying? Speakey English. What do you mean...spell it out for me...I have no idea what you mean by this, and please I don't need any 4th grade recess rules like, "If you don't know I'm not gonna tell you..."
madness by bumetalman	Oct 4th, 2000 02:06:32 PM
madness, madness i tell you, the corporate sleaze again worms its way into the creative process and forever discourages those brilliant artists who attempt valiantly to tell a compelling story, alas, alack, for shame....
Ninjagirl, StoneHelper. by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 02:07:35 PM
I shot you an email. Hopefully that will clear things up.
Don't Rush For The Bootlegs Just Yet! by Cowblaster	Oct 4th, 2000 02:12:39 PM
In all fairness, I think we should wait until someone reviews the actual DVD when it hits shelves, and find out if cuts really WERE made before we boycott the WB. Think about it. It is entirely possible that, in this case, speculation has evolved into paranoia and anger. Someone probably just worried that the movie might be cut, spread the word, and in no time, everyone is grabbing pitch-forks and torches. It's also possible that these same rumors were started by people hoping to make extra money off their current copies of Return of the Joker to people like us. Let's find out what the ACTUAL word is before we do something too drastic.
An Open Letter To Warner Brothers... by TheExtra	Oct 4th, 2000 02:15:24 PM
To whom it may concern, As a big fan of Batman Beyond, I was very please to find out about the release of 'Batman Beyond:The Return of the Joker'. I could hardly wait for the release date. But, after reading articles on my favorite web site, aint-in-cool-news.com (a link will be provided below), I found to my dismay that you will be cutting the content, due to violence, of this much anticipated release. You may not be aware, but a great deal of the fans of this show are over 18, heck, I'm 33 going on 34. Well, as you can see from the link I provided, you have offended many fans. I for one will take the stand NOT TO PUCHASE, RENT, OR WATCH this release until an UNCUT and UNEDITED version is release on DVD media, and I will be urging everyone else, in every forum I can find to do the same. I hope you can rectify this. I have grown up loving almost everything with the Warner Brothers name on it, and I want to continue to do so, but by censoring and butchering a movie that has the potentional to be incredibly awesome, well, I wil have lost faith in you and all of your products, shows, movies, stores, and will do my best to boycott them all. http://www.aint-it-cool-news.c om/display.cgi?id=7106 David Blum scratch@home.com
You're right, Cowblaster. by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 02:15:42 PM
But you have to admit Dini's silence adds suscpicion. Everyone that has reviewed this movie RAVES about it -- he should be proud, right? "No comment."
Nuxx: "Well, maybe i should blame my dad..." by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 02:19:33 PM
ROFL. Nah, kid, embrace your own responsibility. It'll empower you. You're right, that one was a hoot. Thanks again, and keep it coming. ;-)
Got a Screener? I got $$$. Simple by Face147	Oct 4th, 2000 02:19:36 PM
I will not stand for a cut version of this movie. My son and I (and several people at my company) have been waiting a long time for this movie. So, and simple enough, if you have a screener or a very good copy of the BB:ROTJ screener, I would like to purchase it from you. Serious inquiries only, for I am serious person. Discretion will be honored in kind. Thanks in advance for helping out a fan.
politics damnit by bumetalman	Oct 4th, 2000 02:20:25 PM
why is there so much political crap in the movie bizz, i mean, it boggles my mind that something as harmless as a movie can get this much done to it for"safety's sake", sheesh, but im a 21 year old college student who votes, what do i know about politics, or the movie bizz
Anybody have the script?!?! by takehim2detroit	Oct 4th, 2000 02:28:39 PM
I don't even need the bootleg (although it would be nice). I hate the reviews without spoilers. Spoil away, dammit! Please someone email me if you know where the script is?? Thanks...
WHOA WHOA WHOA NICE SHOOTIN' TEX by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 02:30:58 PM
OKAY Everyone...let's calm down!!!!! harry's an idiot and he's just stirring up an issue that is NOT at all confirmed EITHER WAY!!! I am all for going ape shit but not until we know for certain. So let's step back and relax a bit, and see what WB brings to the table. My vote is that we stop listening to Harry for awhile and see what happens. WB has said they are adding not subtracting and all Harry can give us is "No comment"
bootleg.....me too, please! by jmorales	Oct 4th, 2000 02:33:32 PM
Sorry I'm entering the conversation so late, but I too would like to get my hands on a bootleg copy of BATMAN BEYOND: ROTJ. If anyone can send me one I'll pay and will be willing to start spreading this tape around to as many people as possible so that all of those that would like to see the original version can. Si if anyone finds it in their heart to help out a poor soul with a measly bootleg, email me at:jmorales1@hotmail.com
I want a BOOTLEG! please! by Bregalad_	Oct 4th, 2000 02:35:41 PM
I will beg, crawl, give you head, I DON'T CARE WHAT... as long as I can get a good copy of the screener and not have to pay money for a sanitized DVD. Please email me at dddude01@hotmail.com THANKS
I want to say this one more time to WB by Bregalad_	Oct 4th, 2000 02:37:57 PM
YOU GODDAMN DIRTY APES! It really is cathartic, you should try it at home folks.
(NUXX watches as sarcasm flies over Village People by NUXX	Oct 4th, 2000 02:42:29 PM

How totally unlike Warners...... by RobinP	Oct 4th, 2000 02:47:45 PM
to totally fucking blow it. To take their golden goose and ass fuck it royally, just as it's about to lay the golden egg. Can't even call this re-editing a knee jerk reaction, it's a dick jerk reaction from a bunch of spineless wieners. RobinP over and out ! Warners can kiss my ass !
Nuxx, this just gets better. by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 02:57:31 PM
Sarcasm is a childish affectation. Don't you get that I'm mocking you for it? No, that's your beauty: you don't get any of this. Don't ever change, Boopsie. ;-)
Hehe by NUXX	Oct 4th, 2000 03:10:34 PM
Coming from a guy who cant even bother to defend himself, mockery is for cowards who run away when they should stand up for themselves...Enjoy yourself as much as you want, but it doesnt change the fact that youre pretty idiotic - and those two-liners you keep spurting doesnt change that. Mock me some more Big boy, but use the INSIDE of your skull this time. Superficial people bore me to death.
Contact E-mail. by KnightJustice	Oct 4th, 2000 03:15:19 PM
Here is the old contact address they had at the batman-superman website. E-mail JokerWB@aol.com. It works!
info to all those who emailed me by DarkPrinceVegita	Oct 4th, 2000 03:16:18 PM
Alright, i got a good amount of people who emailed me abotu the screener. I may be getting the screener in about 2 weeks from a good source (this is the same source who gave me a copy of Tim Burton's original Batman movie, the 1989 one, a month before release) I will not be distributing this screener until it is certain that the retail version is infact censored. If that is the case i will email you all for your addresses and you will have your shiny bootleg copy of the ORIGINAL UNCUT version of Batman Beyond: The Return of the Joker. BUt if the movie will be released uncut, and all this malarky was just a rumor, then please buy it on dvd or vhs. Thanx and laterz
I hope for Paul Dini's sake... by Jon Zuckerman	Oct 4th, 2000 03:21:20 PM
..they don't recut it. If they do I just might be in on this bootleg thing to.I'm going to go home now and watch the greatest 10 minutes ever made in a Batman movie or TV show in it's original uncut version.
All that had be to said has already been done so .... by dry	Oct 4th, 2000 03:24:03 PM
words can no longer do justice to how we feel. We can just sit and wait and see whether the movie has been defiled or not, but on track record, I have a feeling that bootlegs will be required. So if some great humanitarian soul decides to do all of us a favour and spread the wealth, PLEASE do not forget me. (shahzad_enver@hotmail.com)
Village People... a quick word by Mr. Sartre	Oct 4th, 2000 03:26:52 PM
Now, I won't insult you or anything, let's get that straight. I just find it narrow minded of you to believe that the cartoon and comic book mediums are solely childish affairs. Given, this may have been their initial purpose (I have not done extensive research on it) but both mediums have expanded their subject matter and broadened their intended audiences thus becoming new ways of telling stories of all kinds. Take for example, as cliche as it is, Japanese anime: there are all types of animation for all tastes. Whether you're a child, a teenager, or an adult, the medium of animation should be able to offer something for everyone. The reason some people decide to do more adult themed subjects with animation lies in that fact that it is much easier to manipulate drawn pictures than it is to manipulate things in the real world. Animation opens numerous visual and fantastical possibilities for storytellers and film makers. Animation makes it possible for truly dynamic and impossible visuals and movements to be accomplished safely and cost effectively. Additionally, we notice the same thing with comic books. Titles like THE WATCHMEN, SANDMAN, PREACHER, and FROM HELL are not aimed at children by any means. These are all genuine attempts at using another medium as a storytelling device. I personally think it's commendable for writers like Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman or Garth Ennis to transcend those trappings people associate with the medium they are working in and redefine what a comic book has the potential to be. They have crafted masterful stories and breathed a new air of maturity and artistic expression into something dismissed as mere child's play. This is not to say that we should phase out all of the childish aspects of these two mediums, but rather we should embrace the expansion of the artistic endeavor. By your logic, where would poetry be? Initially it started as a means of telling myths and oral traditions in epic form. Poetry then evolved into more sophisticated means of story telling and conceptualizing, uses of metaphors and other writing devices. We notice another evolution as poetry embraces the idea of strict form (iambic pentameter, ryhme, etc.) then comes to reject form (modern poets, beat poetry, etc.). Why shouldn't other artistic mediums evolve as well, I ask you. I hope to have at least struck something in you. Hope to get a reply. Take care and apologies for any gramatical errors for I haven't slept in nearly two days.
_Defend_myself_? Oh, dear boy... by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 03:26:53 PM
...You are so wrapped around the axle here, "defending myself" would be like getting between a kitten and a ball of yarn. You are _too_ totally tangled up. Please post again! Ta!
Willing to pay for a copy... by JimJim Binks	Oct 4th, 2000 03:29:09 PM
I'm also willing to pay for an uncut copy of the movie if anyone is willing to send it, just 'cause I'm sure we won't be getting anything but a butchered version of the movie this December. Of course nomatter what happens I'll be buying whatever version they release just because I'm a weak minded fool. And I'll buy an uncut version if they release that later. For right now, if you're willing to sell an uncut copy of the movie, Email me. I've got money to spare.
Hey, Village People and Nuxx... by freexter	Oct 4th, 2000 03:35:28 PM
...why are the two of you bothering with this bullshit? If you really want to prove how smart or witty or intelligent you are than the other person, I recommend a face-to-face meeting and have it out with fists and flying feet. There's nothing like a good ol'fashion fight club-type confrontation to settle a supposedly "verbal" fight. All this back and forth between the two of you (and everybody else against Nuxx) is ridiculous when the board could be used by idiots like me to scream about how screwed up the world is. I mean, shit, I know both of you are trying to "out-wit" the other, but it ain't workin'.
Whatever. by NUXX	Oct 4th, 2000 03:36:19 PM
But Mr. Sartre was so kind to repeat what i was trying to tell you VPeople. Maybe you shoud try and read that. And of course the real author too, it shurely would broaden your horizon.... NUXX OUT.....
no prob, Nuxx (from Sartre) by Mr. Sartre	Oct 4th, 2000 03:49:10 PM
I thought you and Kerle brought up some good points in your initial posts way back from whenever. I just thought I'd expand on both your ideas in hopes that these longer ramblings would make more sense to Village People when examined a bit more in depth in the context of each medium. Twas a pleasure. Take care and keep fighting the good fight for art and imagination. No limitations, no trappings: artistic expression should be just that.
Mr. Sartre didn't repeat you at all, Nuxx. by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 03:49:39 PM
Quite the contrary, he made his points in a mature and intelligent manner entirely free of inflammatory flourishes, name-calling and other irrelevancies and inanity. There's nothing childish or pompous or deluded about his writing -- in other words, not a bit like you. Sartre makes several good points which I will consider. In the meantime you might reread his post as well; it's not unimaginable that you might be capable of learning. ;-)
I called WB, it just keeps getting more confusing by DarkPrinceVegita	Oct 4th, 2000 03:57:28 PM
I just called WB home video (1-877-277-9272) and i spoke to a representitive. I asked her about the movie and i asked that if it was true that the movie is being delayed to december 12 because they needed to re edit it. The lady (her name slips my mind, shit i should of wrote it down) told me that she thought that the date was still october 24, she then checked the date out and it was indeed moved to december 12, i then asked her that if it was to re edit the movie to make it more kid safe, she then told me to hold on so she can find out, when she came back she said that they were having troble copying it to vhs and dvd. So now there are 4 reasons for the delay, 1) so they can re edit it 2) so they can but more extras into the dvd, 3) so it can be moved to a holiday release and 4) they are having troble copying it into the dvd and vhs formats. Something fishy is going on.
Village People and NUXX work for WB by IAmLegolas	Oct 4th, 2000 04:31:50 PM
Believe it!!!
Damn it -- by Village People	Oct 4th, 2000 04:40:40 PM
-- Now we have to kill him.
VERY IMPORTANT: WB Changes its tune...again by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 04:44:14 PM
OK -- Just tried to get a screener under a new name and a new voice from JoshyPoshy, and NOW: 1. Screeners will be available around the first week of November. This is also when you'll see a new press release. NOTE: These are the NEW cut of the movie. Interesting... 2. He now says that he doesn't know, "They may add something for the DVD or SNIP SOMETHING OUT HERE AND THERE...I dunno, I mean we do that for our theatrical releases." So now I am back to being pissed. They ARE INDEED LYING AND CHANGING THEIR STORY EVERY FEW HOURS. So I have the "Josh" man's phone number. Should we all start calling and complaining. He's merely a publicity slave, but hey, we've got to start somewhere. Whaddya think? Or do we hold off and see what else we can find?
Village People is just stirring the $hit. by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 04:51:08 PM
Anyone who can take an entire artistic medium and label it childish just can't be taken seriously.
how to contact WB on the issue of BB DVD? by talosman	Oct 4th, 2000 04:52:29 PM
hi how can we contact WB on the issue of Batman Beyond DVD? I sure hope they put two versions on the thing. TT
e-mails & phone calls can be deleted/ignored too easily by cuznjean	Oct 4th, 2000 04:58:56 PM
I work for a big company, and I know first hand that an ink-and-paper letter sent through snail mail will get a quicker reaction from executive types than either a phone call or an e-mail. I maintain that a letter writing campaign and/or a petition is the best way for us to protest. Threaten a boycott if you will, just make sure that they know the reason. I just mailed off a letter which I will post on Joker's Realm for anyone who wants to read it. The address I mailed it to (thanks to Pietro Kozlowski) is WB Network, c/o Warner Brothers Animation, 4000 Warner Blvd - Bldg 178, Burbank, CA 91522. Also, we are working on developing a petition. If you would like to help get a petition online please e-mail me: cousinjean@cybergeek.com
StoneHelper.....this is not good....maybe we should wait by DarkPrinceVegita	Oct 4th, 2000 04:59:24 PM
I think we should wait till we find out exactly if the dvd is the cut version. as of now though when i get my grubby hands on the uncut screener i will start making copies for everyone who wants them, ill keep them till the word about the edits are true. Stonehelper if you can email me so we can talk about something it would be greatly appreciated or IM me on AIM, MarVsCap2Killer
Relax, people, I seriously doubt this. by Tall_Boy	Oct 4th, 2000 05:42:28 PM
Perhaps I'm being an optimist, but I really don't think that they're hacking the movie to pieces, they're probably just cashing in on releasing it for the holidays. Personally, I think some people just read the report yesterday and popped off a bunch of e-mails to stir the pot. . .
Irony of Ironies by Jadeh	Oct 4th, 2000 05:43:20 PM
Excuse me while I roll in pain and anguish at the tagline of ROTJ. The Joke's on You... Jade oh cruel jest... thy wicked arrow stings.
The Joke's On You... by cuznjean	Oct 4th, 2000 05:49:34 PM
After reading Jadeh's post, it occurred to me that this whole thing could just be a big joke and publicity stunt on the part of the WB. Reminds me of when South Park promised to reveal Cartman's father on April Fool's Day and ran that Terrence and Phillip ep instead. That would be apropos to the Joker theme. Oh well, even if the joke is on us, I don't regret sending my letter, and until I hear otherwise will continue with the petition effort. Serves them right for screwing with our heads anyway.
Hey yeah, maybe it IS a joke! by Miracleman	Oct 4th, 2000 06:12:06 PM
You guys that mentioned this earlier may be right. Who knows... maybe this is all an elaborate hoax just to get the attention of rabid fanboys. Maybe the movie will be released on it's original release date, uncut and all, and the lot of us will be caught off-guard and stumped beyond belief! But then again, maybe it really IS gettin' delayed, and there are probably more than one factors that are causing this... either way, I'm just gradually gettin' more and more uninterested in this whole development. ...
Conincidences sad and otherwise by coxmage	Oct 4th, 2000 06:27:17 PM
Not too long ago I started telling my friends about how cool the Batman Beyond LIve Action project was going to be... just so long as the studio execs didn't foul it up. Now, with a hyper-sensitive studio looking to re-open the Bat-Franchise up for big bucks, we have the core work (the series) being subject to potential censorship. I am greatly disappointed, the 24th is my birthday and my plans invovled taking the day off and watching BB:ROTJ... but I'm not as shocked as I once was. No matter how many cool properties and products WB has, no matter how many geniuses work for them its still just that: work for hire, products and properties to all those businessmen. Out in comicdom we've seen award cailiber stories turned to pulp over at DC, the greats of the medium barred from working on the most classic characters... and you know what- I've just about lost hope that art and commerece can ever co-exist. While we still can though- fight back... use your dollars, evangelize all over the place, boycott, whatever you can do until you see the animation medium treated with a level of respect similar to what is seen in Japan. In other news... future Bat-Director Aronofsky is feeling Washington heat indirectly with the advertising for Requiem for A Dream. Exhibitors are forcing a "no one under 17" warning for this unrated film. What is it with the Bat-Creators and censorship these days?
Here's my letter so far......thanks harry for the addresses!! by JediFunk	Oct 4th, 2000 06:49:46 PM
Dear Warner Bros, I have become aware that the release of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, is being delayed while undergoing a re-edit to reduce the violent content. I understand that your initial target audience was intended to be of the Pokemon variety, which is why it is broadcast during the WBKids grouping. But despite any of your ratings reports, your viewership is largely over 17. This has been true since the original Batman Animated series first aired. I myself am a 34 years old male, and have enjoyed both series immensely. The writing and presentation is far superior to any of the live action releases, and requires a mature mind to enjoy it completely. The show would do far better if presented in prime time, and targeted more for its true audience. Understanding the poorly backed outcry of recent political topics, I can see the reason WB would want to avoid having this movie used as an example. WB should also be smart enough to fully utilize the features of the DVD format to exploit the entire Batman marketplace. There are two options, one would only require a single release, and the second would require two. 1. Put the
Dammit by cynicaster	Oct 4th, 2000 07:06:19 PM
Dammit Dammit, sons of bitches. I'm so pissed of I was so looking forward to a more mature American animated film, a batman film at that. The thing is there are soooooo many older people that want to see this movie its just not fucking fair. And now Requiem for a Dream is getting an NC-17 rating and I wont be able to see it because I'm 16. Fucking bastards way to ruin America and piss off everyone. EMINEM ROCKS MUTHER FUCKERS, SO DOES BLOOD AND KILLING AND I WANT TO HURT PEOPLE, LET ME KILL THE BUNNY MOMMY LET ME JUST TWIST AND TWIST AND TWIST TILL ITS WITTLE HEAD POPS OWF! sorry folks, but seriously, it's not right to tell more mature viewers what we can and cannot watch. I think entertainment is a lot more imporatant than the right to bear arms which isn't even a right at all.
I'm sorry, but some clerk at the distribution office is NOT OFFI by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 07:16:58 PM
Official news comes from the PR department in the form of a press release. You guys can start stockpiling weapons all you want, but until there is official word of a menace, I'm not going to jump the gun and act on it.
YES! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! by Brian 2000	Oct 4th, 2000 07:27:57 PM
This is the greatest thing ever! Lets do it guys!
Dammit! by SilverKnight	Oct 4th, 2000 07:34:40 PM
Okay, time to rant. I hope this isn't what it seems, but knowing the WB, it probabaly is and more. Well, let me just say: Rat bastards from hell! Sons of bitches! Penny pinchin', PC loving, cheap rat bastards from hell! Damn you, WB! We have every right to see the TRUE version; not some watered down, babyfied, piece of shit version that some overprotective parents want to see! Dini and Co have worked too damn hard for too damn long to get this shit dumped on them like this! >ahem< I'm done now.
Now I have to buy a bootleg. by UraBob	Oct 4th, 2000 07:42:30 PM
How sad that now I have to buy a bootleg. How sad that a fan has to go to such lengths to get something he/she wants. How sad that Warner Bros. obviously wants us all to buy bootlegs...tsk. With that in mind Email me if you have a copy!UraBob@ihateclowns.com
Horray For Harry by X-Girls	Oct 4th, 2000 07:44:45 PM
Thanks for the help in our effort, Harry. I can't wait for the poll. Villiage People is a fag, stop talking like you consider yourself a fucking james bond villian. Put the REAL ROTJ on Scour Exchange, and Return Of The Joker was a lame idea for the title, but Joker Strikes Back! is better.
"Bootleg the sucker" by Better By Design	Oct 4th, 2000 07:46:07 PM
In the immortal words of Buffy kingpin Joss Whedon, referring to the delayed American broadcast of the Buffy Season 3 Finale.... "BOOTLEG THE SUCKER!" If anyone can get a hold of the uncut screener (I'll be trying my contacts) start distributing... whatever means necessary! or possible... email me! And yes, also write the WB to whine and complain, but I say that two wrongs make a right in this case... I was pumped and ready to buy this DVD on release day, but now I hope to not only get a copy of the original, but to help others. STOP CENSORSHIP NOW! Also, STOP MARKETING VIOLENCE TO KIDS! Peace out y'all!
Here's my letter by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 07:55:22 PM
To whom it may concern: I have been meaning to express my distaste for Warner Brothers' lack of concern for the consumer for quite some time now, but I feel in light of recent events, specifically those concerning the release of the animated feature, "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker", the time to act is now. According to various news sources, including Internet movie news websites, local and national video distributors or store owners, fellow consumers, and a bit of my own "snooping", it has come to our collective attention, that the new Batman Beyond film has been delayed in order to alter its content to suit a younger demographic. Batman fans, DVD collectors, animation fans, and most importantly the average consumers is deeply offended by this decision. It shows not only a lack of faith in a quality product and an insult to the creative team on your part, but more importantly a lack of trust toward those who should be most important: the consumer. If you continue to offend the consumer in this manner, I assure you that sales will decline, starting with me and those who have signed below. I can also assure you that future Warner Brothers releases will suffer the same scruntinity. "The Goonies" for instance is a film that is so passionately loved by its fans that if a complete DVD treatment, including uncut scenes, commentary, etc. was not issued it would simply be a crime. Fans of "Scooby Doo" are dissappointed to see you've only released four(?!) episodes on DVD. Why not all of the episodes? "Scooby Doo" is one of Warner Brothers most lucrative franchises? Why cheat the consumer? We understand that violence in the media and its affect on youth is an important debate. However, we cannot respect your decision to alter or edit the content of "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker." Therefore, we suggest two versions: one for children, and one for the rest of us, parents, fans, collectors, and those of us who are still children within and who could never believe that Batman would let us down. And then we all sign it! Good? Bad? Whaddya think!?
Omigod! Harry has now been animated into FREAKS! I thought the by Lenny Nero	Oct 4th, 2000 08:05:30 PM
Now I have nightmares for another month. Thanks a lot, Harry.
Al Gore FUCKS our culture again! by SWDrawings.com	Oct 4th, 2000 08:18:59 PM
First right when Heavy Metal music was at its peak, Al and Tipper ride in and make it so you couldn't buy a decent, uncensored CD at Wal*mart and all the cool music got squeezed into a 2-hour program at midnight on Saturdays. Now that animation is coming of age in America (after how many years of crap???), and he comes in and fucks us again! Now the closest thing to Anime we're going to see stateside in the next TWELVE YEARS is going to be the next warm and cuddly Disney flick. And despite the fact that Gore has a PROVEN TRACK RECORD of RESORTING TO CENSORSHIP Every Single Time it'll raise his poll numbers, he's still ahead in this election. Can you imagine what will happen to Hollywood if he's actually elected? Vote Bush!
Good God, not this rambling political conspiracy again! by Andy Travis	Oct 4th, 2000 08:31:53 PM
I've said this before...democrats as well as republicans are lined up together ON THIS VERY SAME ISSUE. Turning it into a "vote for my guy" campaign is just silly. I'll be glad when I vote, the race ends, and we can wait four more years until this nonsense resurfaces...
Ahh, a good ol' down home tarrin' n featherin'. It's been too l by LSHB	Oct 4th, 2000 08:38:49 PM
Since the Spiderman Incident, actually.
Re: StoneHelper (scruntinity?) by The Riot	Oct 4th, 2000 08:39:45 PM
There's a couple of spelling and grammar mistakes you may want to clean up in there before you mail it. Also, take out the Goonies and Scooby stuff.. Don't stray too far from your goal. Here's a (in my opinion) better version: To whom it may concern: I have been meaning to express my distaste for Warner Brothers' lack of concern for the consumer for quite some time now, but I feel in light of recent events, specifically those concerning the release of the animated feature, "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker", the time to act is now. It has come to my attention that, according to various news sources including Internet movie news websites, local and national video distributors, store owners, and fellow consumers, the new Batman Beyond film has been delayed in order to alter its content to suit a younger demographic. Batman fans, DVD collectors, animation fans, and, most importantly, the average consumers are deeply offended by this decision. It shows not only a lack of faith in a quality product and an insult to the creative team on your part, but, more importantly, a lack of trust toward those who should be most important: the consumer. If you continue to offend the consumer in this manner, I assure you that sales will decline, starting with me and those who have signed below. I can also assure you that future Warner Brothers releases will suffer the same scrutiny. We understand that violence in the media and its effect on youth is an important issue; however, we cannot respect your decision to alter or edit the content of "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker." Therefore we suggest two versions: one for children, and one for the rest of us: parents, fans, collectors, and those of us who are still children within and who could never believe that Batman would let us down.
Hundreds of letters from fanboys around the world, all addressed by Miracleman	Oct 4th, 2000 08:58:56 PM
Argh, mateys! Let's all just calm down now. Take DEEEEEEEP breaths... breath... and release...(repeat until maddening pulse subsides). I have complete faith that everything will turn out just fine. Believe me, I am hardly concerned at all that things will truly take a turn for the worse. In the immortal words of Alfred E. Neuman, "What, Me Worry?"
Very depressing... by draven03	Oct 4th, 2000 09:00:00 PM
I am trying to be optimistic here. If they are pushing it back for a holiday release, fine. But did they forget x-mas was coming months ago when they set this date? If the dvd is getting packed with more extras, ok. But would they push it back 2 months just to give us a little bit more bag for our buck? Do executives care that much? If they are having trouble transferring it, do they have brand new equipment in there? Or do they have monkeys working at WB(which is likely). If people die or something in it, why didnt they cut it out of Batman:MOTP? Doesn't make sense. I will hope for the best and hold off on trying to get a bootleg copy, but if anybody has one willing to sell a copy, please email me. draven03@aol.com
Suck ass... by Randy Meeks	Oct 4th, 2000 09:09:16 PM
Why the Hell do these fucking executives have to ruin a perfectly good movie just so they can market it to a bunch of overly sensitive 6 year olds? Bunch of savages in this town...
I've Been Shaking My Head w/ Disgust...... by "BadDates"Monkey	Oct 4th, 2000 09:16:39 PM
ever since I clocked in at work today (14:30 cst). The first thing I do is go to Harry's site when I get to work and what do I find today (and yesterday)but some of the worst news on here to date. This is ridiculous! It really is. At this moment, I CANNOT stand the WB! Is their goal to damn all animation that comes from their house to Hell (with the exception of the FINE entertainment known as Pokemon which they seem to market NON-STOP). Is that their goal? Unless the uncut movie is released, I won't be purchasing this. It's a shame, too, because I've been looking forward to it for awhile. Oh, well.
My two cents. by beaker75	Oct 4th, 2000 09:23:44 PM
If they are going to re-edit (ie cut things), what they should do is like what was done with Spawn (the anamiated version shown on HBO). Spawn was released in two versions, a PG and an uncut/unrated version. To compare differences, the PG version had approx. 90 min. cut as compared to the uncut/unrated version. If they are going to re-edit Batman Beyond I hope they release an uncut/unrated version for us adult fans.
what? another bootleg request? by redass	Oct 4th, 2000 09:24:50 PM
wanted: bootleg copy of BB: Return of the Joker. you provide the dub, I provide $$$, everyone goes home a winner - well, except WB who gets screwed. Oh well. If anyone is considering doing bootlegs, and God bless you for that, please e-mail me at redass@iwon.com. Thanks
Taking a cue from redass... by Randy Meeks	Oct 4th, 2000 09:37:19 PM
I would also like a copy, bootleg or non, of the unedited Batman Beyond movie. Anyone who's got the goods, e mail me at spam1981@aol.com. I'll be waiting. By the way, man goes in the cage. Cage goes in the salsa. Shark's in the salsa. Our shark. DAMN YOU WB SUITS!!!
Scruntiny...kinda ironic, no? by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 09:40:23 PM
Pretty funny that the word I spell wrong is that one. Thanks. Oh and by the way, grammar is dead, it's called style baby, style. There are no grammar mistakes in my book...read it aloud, that's what they'll do.
SCREW WB by scheng923	Oct 4th, 2000 09:54:56 PM
If this hadn't been an election year, we wouldn't be having this problem. Violent entertainment would have been just another issue that no one paid any real attention to and business would have continued like normal. But, unfortunately, this is an election year and the politicians need something to buy votes with. So the corporate executives get a little pressure and we get screwed. But there
Plan of Action by StoneHelper	Oct 4th, 2000 09:56:02 PM
By the way, Harry, thanks for the "Plan of Action." We couldn't have figured out what to do with out you.
Let's stop Screwing Around and get Something Done About This!!!! by Vicious	Oct 4th, 2000 10:10:42 PM
First of All if you don't care about Petitioning for an uncut version of BB RotJ, don't bother reading this. Secondly I have a writer friend of Mine, possibly putting a Petition Letter together now. We must act soon before these Mucky-Mucks totally rape this Project. I don't know if I'm the ghuy to Orchestrate this, but i DO feel very strongly about this. Email me at ViciousSaga@Yahoo.com and as soon as i know something more i'll inform you. BTW, any Mentally-Impotent-Naysaying-Mo rons such as VillagePeople can leave their comments and mail to themselves. Or i could probably have you removed from the Board....Hmmm, now that's an idea....
Director of Sales email addresses by zenjkd	Oct 4th, 2000 10:18:08 PM
I located the email addresses for the Director's of Sales mentioned in Harry's post. PLEASE DO NOT SPAM or "GO OFF" on these people. That can only have a negative effect. Intelligent, mature complaints and criticisms may have the effect we are looking for. My email letter follows their addresses. Fight the power! Fight censorship! Director of Sales, Eastern region, Suzette Cabildo, scabildo@wb.com Director of Sales, Western region, Jessica Siff jsiff@wb.com My letter: Ms Siff and Ms Calbido, I'm addressing this issue to you both as Directors of Sales of WB for your regions. If this email is not pertinent to you, I sincerely apologize for wasting your time, but ask that you forward this email to the individual at WB whose attention this should be brought to. I've read that the Batman Beyond:Return of the Joker home video release has been delayed from October 24th to mid December. Different responses have been given by WB employees as to the reason for this delay. Rumors circulating have said that the delay is due to a re-edit of the video in order to sanitize it an make it more "kid-friendly." If this is true I'd like to say that I then have absolutely no intention of buying, renting, or supporting this release in any way. The buzz about this video has been overwhelmingly positive and many fans, including myself, have been anxiously awaiting it's release. I understand violence in the media has been in the news recently. However, if WB has decided to cave to congressional pressure and pander to the lowest common denominator on this issue, I see it as a cowardly and bureacratic decision. 9 year olds do not have jobs. The bulk of merchandising and financial success that the animated Batman series have had has been due to 20, 30 and 40-something year old fans, like me, who enjoy intelligent, mature animation. According to all reports the violence in ROTJ, that is now being found "objectionable" by executives, is meaningful and integral to story. Those who attempt to lay the blame for anti social behavior at the doorstep of the movie, television and music industry are, quite simply, making excuses for poor parenting and abnegating any sense of personal responsibility. I sincerely suggest that you go to Harry Knowles internet news site, Aint-it-Cool-News, to see the very strong, almost visceral, reaction that animation and Batman fans are having to this latest decision by the WB. If WB chooses not to release the original, un-edited version of this video, I cannot in good conscience support the WB in the future with my hard earned dollars. You will have lost a customer. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Rob Pugh
Why not access unedited version via "Easter egg" by Capn Crunch	Oct 4th, 2000 10:21:45 PM
Make it a hidden feature on DVD, which all us net-savvy folk will easily be able to figure out how to access, while the default version most all kids would see would be the edited version? Two different releases in two different packages is a lot of trouble and confusing. Hidden Easter eggs are commonplace on many of your finer DVDs. Nuff said!
Let's get some facts straight first -- you don't want this backf by superninja	Oct 4th, 2000 10:59:11 PM
Given the description of the content in BM: ROTJ, I think we can all agree it should NOT be rated G. However, an executive at WB GREENLIT a PG-13 film and then slapped a G rating on it. If they were to release this film as is, they would give fuel to Washington's fire. What should be done in a responsible manner to remain faithful to the vision of the artists (something WB is notorious for NOT doing) is either two versions in release, or a single version with Parental Blocks so they can monitor the content if they feel it is too violent. BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, PEOPLE. If the WB releases it as is, they could get burned so bad that they will draw the line and more than just ROTJ will be censored. It's just something to keep in mind. You don't want them to tie Dini's hands permanently. We need to encourage them in typical Hollywood ass-kissing fashion (executives love that) to be RESPONSIBLE and release alternate versions so they can keep everyone happy. Play up on the economics of it. Threatening will do no good unless every last one of us really doesn't buy, rent or order this film and we all know that isn't happening.
two thoughts come to mind... by nitekatt	Oct 4th, 2000 11:07:28 PM
If they do this editing,etc to the animated movie,what type of restrictions would the live-action BATMAN beyond face. (Just look at the tone of Batman Forever and Batman & Robin next to Batman and Batman Returns to see wat I mean.) Also,when is an american studio,major or minor,or video label going to have the "balls" to release good animation without worring about offending a handful of people who don't have the smarts to control what their kids watch,see,hear and want the studios do it for them!
Why can't people realize... by TruPhan	Oct 4th, 2000 11:43:19 PM
...that when people put these things in movies, they are inspired from the worst kind of influence on children in the world...THE NEWS. And politicians are always looking in the wrong places and for all the wrong reasons. Clean up the streets, not the airwaves. TV shows only reflect our society, not the other way around. SO DON'T FRIGGIN' RE-EDIT THE MOVIE!
Attn KnightJustice re JokerWB@aol.com by zenjkd	Oct 4th, 2000 11:59:21 PM
The email addy you provided is for a member of the BB creative staff, not someone with WB. He responded to my email and sympathized with my complaint, but said he had no influence on WB's decisions. To everyone else, pls don't inundate this individual with emails.
I've Sent My 3 Letters! Have You? by Cowblaster	Oct 5th, 2000 12:15:10 AM
I just got done typing out my letter. I'm sending copies to all of the addresses Harry gave. I know I said that I would wait until some confirmation before I did anything, but this can only help. I'm not gonna bother posting what I wrote, because I don't want to tempt people into being lazy and copying my letter and putting their name on it. If the execs at WB saw a few dozen copies of the EXACT letter, they would probably dismiss it, seeing it as a sign that people don't care enough to write to them themselves. Well. . . okay, it's a long-shot, but I'm just trying to get everyone who writes the ambition of speaking from their hearts, and truthfully telling them what we think of this. Be cival and mature in your letters. Don't lash-out with some in-coherant drivel and swearing. Give them something they'll WANT to read!
My Letter... by JimJim Binks	Oct 5th, 2000 12:18:20 AM
I figured I'd throw my letter up here just in case some of you are going to be printing up the Talkbacks and sending them with your letters.... To Whom it May Concern: I just heard a few days ago that you are delaying the release of BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER to make it more kid friendly and edit out the violence. I respect your position and see why you would want to do something like that, and I can see many parents wanting to buy that version for their kids. At the same time though, I speak for a lot of adult Batman fans when I say I WILL NOT buy a copy of the movie that is cut down like that. I want to see the movie that Curt Geda and Paul Dini wanted to make, and had made before the decision was made to make these cuts. After talking with hundreds of fans on the Internet and many in person about this, I know I
I want a copy... by One_Nice_Guy	Oct 5th, 2000 12:39:36 AM
If anybody out there has a copy of the original screener, I'd be interested in a dub. If you want to sell me the original, I could make you an offer. Click on my user_id to get the address. I agree with everyone else, this news is unfortunate and unfair. To the guy who thinks cartoons are for kids, you're a fucking jackass. Give us some reasons for your shortsighted views.
Screener for sale! by Aunty-WB	Oct 5th, 2000 01:07:51 AM
Yep, that's right; I got one, and it's for sale. The price is...one million dollars! OK, OK...make that one hundred ($100) U.S. dollars. Normally, I would be happy to make a copy of this, but with what's sure to be an overwhelming response, I don't feel like making and mailing a thousand copies of this tape. (and I don't have the capabilities, anyway!) But I'm not going to give this tape away, either. (especially to someone who's probably going to sell a bunch of copies themselves) And I don't want to attract too much attention from the FBI or Warner Home Video, so I'm only going to do this one sale. So, how to prove this is for real? Well, I know what happens in the film, and I'll tell you if that'll help. (Inside info: Angie Harmon takes over as the adult voice of Barbara Gordon, replacing Stockard Channing from the series.) I can also send a pic of the tape and the cover box. (it's the real deal: Joker/Batman illustrated cover and everything!) For those who don't know, a screener has company titles that scroll onscreen every few minutes; these are several small, white words that appear briefly at the bottom of the screen, partially blocking it momentarily. (I've seen much worse on other screeners) It's a minor nuisance, but tolerable. If interested, email me at auntywb@yahoo.com. Oh, and in case you're wondering, it's not rated and the running time is 76 minutes. (not 74 as someone else had posted) Oh yeah, and it kicks fucking ass!
Zenjkd made it easy for us by Schwinn	Oct 5th, 2000 01:22:23 AM
Ok, of all the letters that have been posted, I think Rob's says our plight the best. I've taken the liberty of adding my own header above his original letter and have sent emails and letters to all the adresses provided. So, email me at bigdaddyschwinn@aol.com and I'll be happy to forward you the letter and all you have to do is add your own header, put a stamp on it, and send it out. Remember, if all we do do is bitch about this, nothing is going to happen. We need to send out polite, well written letters that quickly get to our point(s). PS- I wants a screener too. hehehe
Again, DON'T BUY THE BOOTLEG JUST YET! by Cowblaster	Oct 5th, 2000 01:38:18 AM
If the WB is genuine about adding extra features to their DVD, all those people who shelled-out all their milk money for a cruddy bootleg will be sorry. Besides, I'd be more than happy to support the WB if they did such a noble thing. Then again, if all else fails, and it becomes nearly impossible for me to buy an official, un-cut version, then I'll find another way. In the meantime, just be aware of cyber-sharks ready and willing to take advantage of you and your money by over-pricing a cheap copy that may, or may not get to you at all. There's no guarantee that you won't be taken advantage of.
censorship by tensortensor	Oct 5th, 2000 01:53:22 AM
This is fear. Nothing altruistic or compassionate. Nothing about children. Its about people in Hollywood being afraid that sooner or later it will hit their pocketbooks. Well, it stinks. It stinks that I am not even being given a choice in which version I will see. You want to dumb it down for kiddies? Kiddies who see worse in their homes and on TV everyday? Kids who are blindfolded and told to ignore violence. How about dealing with violence. How about acknowledging violence and showing its consequences. How about not hiding, not putting a bandaid on a mortal wound, how about giving me a choice in what I see and hear. I had my money ready and now I don't think I am going to spend it on Batman Beyond.
Ya Want Publicity? How 'Bout If Someone Starts-Up A Website? by Cowblaster	Oct 5th, 2000 02:20:35 AM
www.no-organic-webshooters.com has been mentioned in many articles and magazines. Hell, they even got a radio spot once! So, why doesn't someone start a website devoted to this? Call it, www.save-batman-beyond.com or something. It's sure to turn a few heads!
Hi. by Quetzalcoatl	Oct 5th, 2000 02:24:23 AM
Al Gore sucks. It is all his fault that the executives at the WB are idiots. It is also his fault that the American people are too stupid to vote a third party candidate into office. It is his fault that he has to tell people what they want to hear to get elected and that what they want to hear is "profamily" buzzword nonsense. Stupid Al Gore. I want to vote for Bush, that is why I ignore the fact that he has the same stance on this issue as Gore. Gore is running with Leiberman, and I'm sure the Vice President must have a lot of power, right? I don't really know. I don't understand how the government works very well, but Bush's dad was the President, so Bush will be a good President too. Voting for a good party, like the Libertarian party, is just throwing my vote away! PS...Al Gore Sucks!
Imagine if you will....... by TallScott	Oct 5th, 2000 03:11:16 AM
A suit sitting in front of his/her lap top reading all of these posts with all the intent of throwing a monkey wrench in thier nerrow minded plans. Thinking..god I hate this site..Ha Ha I wish we had this when John K got the royal screwing from nickelodion and got ren and stimpy taken away from him Oh and if a suit is reading this, think about the last time you monkeyed with comics and us geeks..Three words " Batman and robin"
check out what IGN.com has to say about it by bumetalman	Oct 5th, 2000 03:52:12 AM
just read some stuff at IGN, go read it and take it as you will... http://dvd.ign.com/previews/74 5.html we can only hope they're right...
An example of how to help by Kerle	Oct 5th, 2000 05:26:00 AM
Over the last few hours, I've been frequenting a few message boards that I normally do, and leaving variants on the message below. I'd suggest that some of you do the same - help to try to make as many people aware of this as possible, and providing contact adresses...as well as sending mail yourselves. Anyway, here's the message: I know this isn't something that will interest all of you, but any example of censorship in film releases that is backed by fear of political reaction rather than artistic concerns or responsibility to the audience is something that we should all be aware of. The upcoming release of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker has been postponed, and the buzz is that Warner Brothers is cutting down some of the more violent segments, in order to avoid the politics currently going on with the entertainment industry and marketing violence to kids. The have already been several early reviews or previews of the movie, and they've all - without exception - said is was amazing - the best Batman movie ever. Paul Dini wrote the script with mature audiences in mind. The Joker is as evil, if not moreso, than the comic version ever was, and the characters feel real, and go through some real trauma. This affects the decisions they make through the course of the movie. If this were changed, the trauma edited, the film as a whole would be lessened, and would feel justifiably watered-down. We need to let Warner Brothers know that there is a mature audience that appreciates and purchases animated movies. If you think that these movements never produce results, just look at nausicaa.net and the response to the Princess Mononoke DVD. However, we need to do more. With Princess Mononoke, the studio that was releasing the film already knew they were only dealing with a niche market - no matter how good the film was. For a studio produced American film, a petition alone will not be enough. Yes, it would help, and should be done. More than that, though, we need to contact the people at Warner responsible for this, and let them know that they've made a mistake. That there is an audience that will buy the film. Here are a few addresses you can contact, if you decide to back this issue: Warner Brothers HOME VIDEO, c/o Warner Brothers Animation, 4000 Warner Blvd - Bldg 178, Burbank, CA 91522 Director of Sales, Eastern Region Suzzette Cabildo 1325 Ave. of the Americas New York, NY 10019 scabildo@wb.com Director of Sales, Western Region Jessica Siff 505 n. Brand Blvd Glendale CA 91203 jsiff@wb.com If you send mail, please be civil, and perhaps suggest a compromise - that they produce two version - the VHS in "Kid Friendly" form, and the DVD with either the original, or with both version and a parental lockout. But please let them know that there is an audience, and that - as long as they don't market the more mature version as a kid's cartoon - there is no real political pressure on them.
GET A LIFE YOU PIECE OF FAT SCUM! by vinageddon	Oct 5th, 2000 06:00:39 AM</

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