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VARIETY: Aronofsky signed for BATMAN: YEAR ONE

As long as it's not Affleck by Valley Knight	Sep 21st, 2000 01:10:43 AM
Much as I like Ben "Reindeer Games" Affleck, the man makes a horrible action hero.
ITS ALL PURE GRAVY NOW BABY!!!! by Art Vandelay	Sep 21st, 2000 01:14:46 AM
I dunno let's see what this guy ARAn, Aranowski's or somethings got? We'll see kiddies!!
Two words: David Boreanaz by Liz Sherman	Sep 21st, 2000 01:14:58 AM
'Nuff said.
Wow, am I actually first for once, all I have to say is... by moto	Sep 21st, 2000 01:15:37 AM
Who knows how good this project will be? I like the idea of a Year One film... I would like to see Affleck take on the role myself.... BUT... it is Batman. And Batman has sucked for the most part for awhile, except for the animated series. I would rather see a kickass adaption of Batman Beyond. Sure it;'s not REALLY Batman we love, but it's something new and we would get a chance to see an aged Wayne as the mentor. But who the hell knows? Frankly, I'm null and void about this "franchise" after BATMAN AND ROBIN. If they do something great, excellent. But I'm not going to anticipate it.
Miller time by Anti-fanboy	Sep 21st, 2000 01:17:39 AM
Sounds like were in for a grim, gritty, hard-nosed Batman movie. About time.
What ANGEL NO WAY MAN, he sucks! No pun intended!! Hee hee! by Art Vandelay	Sep 21st, 2000 01:17:47 AM
Don't get me wrong, he is a good actor but I DON'T see him as Batman, maybe someone like, uh an unknown, a fresh face?
by nofate	Sep 21st, 2000 01:19:50 AM

Make him a Vampire Bat by JFSebastian	Sep 21st, 2000 01:22:48 AM
I want a broody Batman and no one broods better than David Boreanaz.
The Batman series is tired... by Batutta	Sep 21st, 2000 01:23:41 AM
The first Batman got the look right, had a kickass score, and a good Bruce Wayne, but the story was boooring, especially the middle our and a half. And the action, when it did happen, was pathetically choreographed and shot. The rest are garbage, and I'm not that excited about Aronofsky and Miller either. Pi was excellent, but whether or not he can handle a project of this scope is a big question mark. And let's not forget Frank Miller wrote the screenplay for that masterpiece Robocop2. I have more faith in The Matrix sequel.
what about the writer/actors strike???? by nofate	Sep 21st, 2000 01:25:11 AM
Entertainment Weekly recently reported that the writers and actors strike appears to be more than just rumors and that it will happen in march and june respectably, are they planning on shooting in six months? or does the hiring of Frank Miller mean they're going for outside help to get this going?
Ben: NO! Dave: YES!Wes: Totally! by Monty Python	Sep 21st, 2000 01:28:36 AM
Angel could totally be the wing-ed one. Benny could so not don the cowl. Wes Bently is God.
O.K, so mebbe that sounded a bit gay, but ya know what I mean... by Monty Python	Sep 21st, 2000 01:35:27 AM
Wes Bentley is totally dope! he could totally be the Batster. (Oh yeah, no offence intended, yadda-yadda, perfectly valid lifestyle choice, yadda-yadda, Jodie foster, yadda-yadda...)
Oh shit, I've just wet myself. by veers	Sep 21st, 2000 01:45:47 AM
This is the best news in f'kin years. If they remain faithful to the comic then the casting of Gordon will be just as important as Bats. How about John Cusack and Billy Bob Thornton. You know like real actors. (Although Cusack's kickboxing will come in well useful.)
Restate my assumptions by Guyver - III	Sep 21st, 2000 01:48:34 AM
Restate my assumptions. 1) spandex is the fabric of nature. 2) I am the protector of gotham city. 3) if one uses the intellectual property of "Batman" to make a movie, patterns will emerge.
With the actors strike looming on the horizion, we probably won' by Choda	Sep 21st, 2000 01:49:02 AM
It's true people. All the actors in Hollywood are supporting this thing. T.V. will suck too because it will be either reruns or reality shows. I hate fucking unions!
P.S.: William H. Macy as Gordon by Liz Sherman	Sep 21st, 2000 01:52:51 AM
There ya go.
This IS good news........ by crimsonrage	Sep 21st, 2000 01:58:10 AM
......I blame "Robocop 2"'s failure mostly on Kershner's direction rather than Miller's script. Sure his script WAS terrible, but if Verhoeven would have helmed it, at least we would have got some over-the-top violence, and some flashy direction. Instead we got static direction and grainy cinematography, with no score by Basedil Pouleris (Gosh, I know I butchered that name) which was the film's biggest problem. "RB2" seemed like such a classic idea too. First you get Kershner the director of the best sequel of all time, then you get Miller, a writer who can take over-the-top characters and give them a realistic grittiness, and a master of funny news bits (in "DKR") like the ones in the original "Robocop"- you throw 'em together and you get!!!!!!.......Total crap. Oh well, hopefully this will be better.
3 Words: Boreanaz Sucks Shit by Bari Umenema	Sep 21st, 2000 02:28:27 AM
The guy's a fucking joke and you want to cast him as Batman? Jesus.
casting notes from me that nobody cares about by Pseudonym	Sep 21st, 2000 02:58:35 AM
Christian Bale could make for a decent year one Batman. He can play cold and intimidating just as well as he can play playboy. And he just looks dark and brooding. But he might be too old. For Commissioner Gordon, I think Brian Denehey (sp?) could do a decent job. But he might be a little old for it if it's a year one piece. Dammit. Please keep in mind before you toast me like a Duraflame that it's very late, and these picks are the result of a weary mind.
Boreanaz is PERFECT, BUT... by Blok Narpin	Sep 21st, 2000 03:08:51 AM
This is a BAD BAD idea. First off, while Frank Miller is a great comic writer this guy shoulD NEVER write another movie. Anyone see Robocop 2 or 3?? And what about continuity?? Batman was just starting his career in the first Tim Burton Batman movie. While it didn't tell the Frank Miller Batman Year One Comic it DID esentially tell the story of Batman's origins. Batman Year One: The Movie will most likelt CLASH with that. The only other alternative is to through out the current Batman movie continuity and that is an EVEN WORSE idea. The first two Tim Burton Batman movies are among the BEST comic book movies EVER made. This is a GREAT foundation to build upon. To through that out because of one bad movie is just STUPID. That would be like saying that Godfather I and II never happened because Godfather III sucked. Thats just plain STUPID. STILL if this is the route they are going to take then I say get Boreanaz. Couldn't do better casting then that. He looks the part AND can play the part.
Harrison Ford by JFSebastian	Sep 21st, 2000 03:11:15 AM
I think Harrison Ford would make a cool Gordon. But he might be to old. How bout a beefed up Kiefer Sutherland, he could be alright. He used to make good films.
Harvey Dent... by JimJim Binks	Sep 21st, 2000 03:19:33 AM
While we're going through the fanboy castings (I'm not knocking it, I love it.) I like the idea of Vince Vaughn as Harvey Dent. Its not a huge part in Year One, but I'd love to see him go from Harvey to Two Face in future movies. One thing thats definately going to throw non-comic fans in this movie is the lack of comic book villians. I wonder how the general public is gonna take that.
really cool news by X-Girls	Sep 21st, 2000 03:23:48 AM
What was Batman Year One alla 'bout again? Don't have George Clooney. If Hollywood is on strike, FUCK 'em get someone outside Hollywood -that's right an actor...outside Hollywood. An unknown as Batman? maybe. get the old alfred if possible. Why is this movie getting made before The Dark Knight Returns?? Why is the director the director of pi? Get Tim Burton-for the Gotham city design -find someone else to direct. The WB is really retarded... next thing you know they'll ask me to direct! "we here at the WB enjoy your posts as 'X-Girls', that's why we flew you (a 15 year old boy) out of your home country and asked you to work wonders with our ___ million dollar budget. Best of luck!" Saddest part? I think a lot of talk backers have better ideas for a Batman movie than we shall ever live to see.
Boreanaz, too damn right!!! by Glenngarry	Sep 21st, 2000 03:26:35 AM
That would be fantastic. Need I say more?
Please God let Brad Pitt be Batman by krackato	Sep 21st, 2000 03:27:33 AM
I know, there's no way in hell, but think about it. He's got the body. He can act. He can do the playboy act easy, and the brooding Dark Knight angel of death thing. Plus, he's a big name which'll make the studio execs. happy. For the love of god, Frank Miller with a Batman that we can actually imagine doing all those cool athletic things. Keaton and Cloony never had the totally "I know Kung-Fu" "I could kill you with my left-pinky" ripped physique. And while Val Kilmer was younger, he sucked ass. (I hate that guy.) A movie with Frank Miller, Brad Pitt, and a hands off studio could create an amazing Batman.
disgruntled at lack of mention by Cthulu	Sep 21st, 2000 03:37:28 AM
Frank Miller was the man who reinvented the man behind the mask. Not Tim Burton. I don't know about you but the single highest point in Batmania was when Miller came out with Dark Night. And the single lowest point was when I realized Tim Burton and Warner Bros gave Miller no credit whatsoever for the transformation of the Bacardi-inspired hero.
Batman YO by PhoenixRising	Sep 21st, 2000 03:58:20 AM
Every time a cool part comes available, I here Wes Bently's name thrown around...and a vampire turned bat...nah too corny. Whatever happened to Sean Patrick Flannery... the Young Indiana Jones and star of the underrated film, "Powder?" He is a terrific actor that has the dramatic range for a darker Batman...plus he probably would come a bit cheaper than the aforementioned. Whaada ya think? Kenneth Branagh Commissioner Gorden? Get original people!
Batman YO by PhoenixRising	Sep 21st, 2000 04:04:58 AM
Every time a cool part comes available, I here Wes Bentley's name thrown around...and Boreanz...a vampire turned bat...nah too corny. Whatever happened to Sean Patrick Flannery... the Young Indiana Jones and star of the underrated film, "Powder?" He is a terrific actor that has the dramatic range for a darker Batman...plus he probably would come a bit cheaper than the aforementioned. Whaada ya think? Kenneth Branagh Commissioner Gordon? Get original people!
Krackato: What you don't know about Pitt... by LlGHTST0RMER	Sep 21st, 2000 04:08:08 AM
... is that, just as Schumaker took the Batman films and fucked them up with "his version," so too would Brad Pitt with the role of Bruce Wayne. The only time he sees anything beyond himself is when he's looking at a mirror. His ego would ruin the whole thing. You wanna know what Brad Pitt's really like? Watch a movie called "Living In Oblivion," by Tom Dicillo. He actually wrote and directed an entire film based on making a movie with Pitt. (The movie was Johnny Suede.) When you see James Le Gros appear, you see Brad Pitt's reincarnated persona. That's all I have to say. Lightstormer out. Way out.
P.S. Definitive Harvey Dent? by PhoenixRising	Sep 21st, 2000 04:09:50 AM
The Gladiator "scene stealing" Joaquin Phoenix. He would soak up the screen...who needs super villains?
Batman Reborn by Scott Ridley	Sep 21st, 2000 04:11:45 AM
This sounds SO GOOD the whole idea of scrapping the existing Batman franchise and starting from scratch is excellent.Aranowski is something of gamble, he could completely fuck it up or turn in the darkest,grittist, edgiest movie of the whole lot. I think it's a risk worth taking.Frank Miller made total crap out of R.C.2 but screwing up isn't his speciality, and anyone can forgiven one bad mistake.Anyway Batman :year one is already written and it's brilliant, and he's adapting his own material, and no one writes Batman better than him.If the film takes it's stylistic lead from something like Finchers Se7en and is photographed by the same guy then it could really kick ass.If they nail the visuals that's half the battle' all the existing movies tend to look a bit 'Pinball'.Casting will be crucial get that wroung and the whole things fucked again as a young Batman I would hope for Christan Bale for that quirky something new the part seems to need or maybe Jared Leto might pull it off,I know that sounds strange at first but the idea has grown on me.Gorden's role calls for nothing less than someone like W.H.Macy or Kevin Spacy (clean shaven) if the role is to have any depth the actor has to be of that quality, this is almost as important as the casting of Batman.Afflec would make good edgy cameo as Harvey Dent, if they could fit Edward Northon in, in any capacity, Batman, Gordon, Dent.. then my mind would never recover from the sheer awesomness of the experience but I guess I'm only daydreaming now.I would like to finish with a small prayer PLEASE, PLEASE OH! PLEASE GOD DON'T LET THIS ONE GET FUCKED UP! Amen.
P.S. by Scott Ridley	Sep 21st, 2000 04:20:22 AM
John Cleese as Alfread and nothing less.
Good news by The Captain	Sep 21st, 2000 04:21:40 AM
Excellent news, but surely WB can't be thinking of releasing Batman Beyond AND Batman: Year One in close proximity to each other. Both young Batmen but in different eras, surely one would score and one would flop. Rene Auberjonais for Commissioner Gordon!
Great potential here. by Dave_F	Sep 21st, 2000 04:27:44 AM
First off, I'm just glad to see that a "year one"-themed story is confirmed for the next movie. That's the break we need from Burton and Schumacher to revitalize the character and rebuild him from the ground up. I have no love for either of their visions and will happily watch them scrapped. Batman's a strong enough character to survive frequent reinterpretations. Even if the "Year One" project is a massive success that launches a new Batman film continuity, I expect that ten or fifteen years down the line the slate'll be wiped clean yet again in favor of a new vision. It's okay, the character will survive, and hopefully we'll get some interesting adventures along the way. ******* The biggest wild card in this flick is the choice of Anonofsky, but I'm inclined to think he'll come through. "Pi" was a great, twisted little film - darker and weirder than I'd ever want Batman, but if nothing else, it suggests that he won't turn Batman into a spoon-fed, campy, mainstream actioneer. I'm way happier to hear Aronofsky than I would be to hear, say, Michael Bay or Tony Scott. The fact that Aronofsky was able to draw Miller back to Hollywood to develop the screenplay is a minor miracle in and of itself. That Miller clearly trusts him speaks well of his potential. As for Miller's "Robocop" debacles...they scare me too, but Batman is territory he clearly knows, "Year One" in particular. I'm pretty happy about this news!
David Boreanaz...MUST DIE! by Dave_F	Sep 21st, 2000 04:39:32 AM
Actually, I liked him quite well on "Buffy", but after watching a few episodes of the weak spin-off, "Angel", I don't think he's quite leading-man material. Besides, talk about typecasting! He moves from playing one broody, obsessed, night-based crimefighter to another. Yawn Give me a talented unknown any day, someone who'll really bring the role to life for me without making me think of their previous roles when they're on screen. It's what scientists call the "Hugh Jackman Effect", or sometimes the "Christopher Reeve" effect. Works wonders on superhero movies.
Arrange these words into a sentence.. by Sepulchrave	Sep 21st, 2000 04:46:49 AM
RATS I GIVE ASS COULD A Batman's a medeocre concept which has acquired a sheen of artistry and complexity it doesn't have because so many talented people in the movie and graphic novels industry liked the idea. A flat one dimensional hero who appears to have hidden psychologaical; depths, and a gallery of eccentric and lurid villains. The flimsy premise has been gang-raped by so many conflicting visions, from gay camp through dark comedy to gritty realism, that it has no idea where or what it wants to be. Let it die and move on for Chrissakes, greater stories and movies are being told every year. If this shit ever happen s to Gaimans 'Sandman', it'll be a sad day.
Totally agree with veers by voight-kampff	Sep 21st, 2000 05:34:42 AM
Billy Bob Thornton would be excellent for Gordon, I mean the role has to be very physical if they stick to the comic. John Cusack? Have you lost your marbles veers?
BRIAN'S THOUGHT FOR THE DAY by Brian DePalma	Sep 21st, 2000 05:44:12 AM
It's much wiser to choose what you say than to say what you choose.
For Gods sake! (?) by JohnBigButte	Sep 21st, 2000 05:57:43 AM
Every single comment on this darn talk back should be positive at this moment. During the last three years all I've heard has been, "Lets get Batman fixed...I hope they do something with Batman...man, a Batman Year One movie would be cool...lets hope its not some Hollywood candy director again." Sheesh people, you've gotten your wish! Batman Year One with Frank Miller!!!!??? C'mon that's good news. Batman Beyond with Deni!!!??!?? C'mon, thats good news too. God knows if this will ever make it to screen, but for now I'm satisfied to think they are at least starting off on the right foot for once.
Sepulchrave, you're a cranky sort. You should probably avoid Bat by Dave_F	Sep 21st, 2000 06:24:38 AM
Alright, Sep, so you acknowledge the character's drawn the attention of a lot of talented creators. Question: if the character's premise is so flat, exactly why were these creative-types ever drawn to it? The answer, I think, is that there is a strong core to Batman's premise, something about our desire to idealize vigilantism (and naturally, get a vicarious thrill out of it). Superheroes in general personify that concept of vengeance tempered by benevolence and lack of ego. Batman stands out though because he's got an almost mythic purity to his motivation. Crime destroyed his world and he's dedicated himself to a lifetime of payback, for himself and anyone else crime touches. Because crime will always exist, because the police can never become perfect, benevolent protectors, the fantasy concept of idealized vigilantism will always be strong with the general public. So why does Batman get to dominate other heroes? Partially his purity of concept, but also because he does have those eccentric villains you mentioned. And he's got a cool costume, cool gadgets, and often enough, cool writers and artists crafting his adventures. If their visions of the character conflict a little (or a lot), who really cares? Is internal continuity the best standard to judge a mythic character by? Wouldn't the quality of the individual stories be a better standard? And why begrudge Batman the status anyway? Batman movies are hardly going to have any bearing on movies being produced in other genres, including any potential "Sandman" film. "Sandman" has no link to Batman whatsoever, save a common medium as its original source. You know, the same way "The Three Musketeers" and "Great Expectations" both derive from prose. No in-fighting necessary. The only negative effect I can imagine coming off a Batman film is a general bolstering of the trend towards big-budget movies, blockbuster actioneers, Summer flicks, whatever you want to call them. But that's a general criticism you could levy against any film in that category, from "Jaws" to "The Matrix". Sepulchrave, I will agree with you on one point - that the character's been overanalyzed for psychological depth. Personally, I think the strength of Batman is the simplicity of the character. Of course, simplicity of character doesn't necessitate boring or depthless stories (witness the great animated series, or even Miller's "Year One"), but I don't think Batman's concept will be unlocking any secrets of the American psyche. Still, he's a strong vigilante archetype, deserving of his popular success.
Forget these guys... by dougmac	Sep 21st, 2000 07:42:41 AM
this story should focus more on Gordon than Batman anyway. He is the true heart of Year One. I think the Norton suggestion is very good, along with the Vaughn idea for Harvey Dent. Angel would be a good Batman, but the casting of Jim Gordon will make or break this movie.
BRIAN'S ADDITIONAL THOUGHT FOR THE DAY by Brian DePalma	Sep 21st, 2000 07:56:38 AM
Always wear goggles, you cannot replace your eyes,
Boreaneaz is great, but not as Batman by Sci_Fi_Wasabe	Sep 21st, 2000 08:02:18 AM
Angel is a great show and David Boreaneaz is a terrific leading man. He actually has a greater range than they usually let him show (when he's playing "Evil Angel" it's killer). But, he shouldn't play Batman. Get an unknown. I liked Keaton, but I never truly bought him as Batman (same for Kilmer and Clooney). The guy that made the Jackman/Reeve point was dead on. Oh, and what about Tom Skerrit for Gordon? (Scott Glenn as second choice).
Gordon's story or Batman's? Hmm. by Dave_F	Sep 21st, 2000 08:02:54 AM
I really like that Jim Gordon was so fleshed out in Miller's "Year One", his uneasy alliance with Batman the underlying premise, but I don't think I'd want him dominating the story in a film adaptation. For me, one of the major problems with every single Batman film to date is that Batman himself plays second fiddle to the villains, to his partners, hell, even to the scenery. Just once, I'd like to see Batman dominate a Batman movie, same as Superman was the absolute focus of Donner's flick. The real question at this point is whether Miller intends to do a direct adaptation of his "Year One" comic or a very liberal interpretation. For all we know, the film might be related to his comic in name only, with a completely different plot and character focus. I expect the same gritty tone and crime focus over traditional superheroics, but beyond that, who can guess what Miller's up to?
thespecials-movie.com by whoiskeysersoze?	Sep 21st, 2000 08:27:23 AM
Check out that site....the movie opens tommorow it looks pretty funny. OK as for Batman, loved pi and the guy should make it a little darker than mr 'all these people are so incredibe' shumacker. ....which is good thing......
original batman films continuity by sundown	Sep 21st, 2000 08:43:17 AM
I dont think starting fresh negates the existance of the previous films. After all do the Bond films have any real continuity? The last THREE Batman films sucked Returns was HORRIBLE`, Waters sucks. The first one was cool. Starting over doesnt erase that film it is still there. But since neither Keaton or Nicholson are coming back...LETS FACE FACTS they are too old! then why not start fresh again. There is no rule that says we can't have Batman Beyond films and Dark Knight Returns films and Year One films in different continuity if they all rock. They are simply good separate films.
If you're a true fan of the Dark Knight... by Fitzy Funk	Sep 21st, 2000 08:49:05 AM
Then you have to be pleased by this news. If you haven't seen Pi yet, do yourself a favor this weekend and go check it out and let the work speak for itself. Very impressive debut. Anyway, as to the casting of the lead, it's really not as important as people make it out to be. The success and failure of a Batman movie really comes down to the writing, because you know the costumes, lighting, casting, and directing are going to be competent. As has been noted before, Schumacher was unfairly blamed for killing the franchise when it was really Akiva's script that sunk the movie to ridiculous lows. As much as I like Pitt (when he's doing cutting edge stuff), I think he has the wrong look and demeanor for the role. My choice? Wes Bentley. Really looks more like Batman than the past three actors. And I could see him generating some real excitement for a mainstream audience....I guess the question remains: is he interested? With Aronofsky in charge, he damn well should be.
Gordon casting by Illinois_Boy	Sep 21st, 2000 08:55:23 AM
While I don't really have a clue as to who should be Batman (part of me says Wes Bentley, part says Ed Norton, and a third part of me just really itches), I think I have a provacative suggestion for Jim Gordon.... Gary Sinise. He's about the right age, been around the block, and has that scruffy sort of nobility I've always attributed to everyone's favorite cop. PS - I agree with someone above that John Cleese would be a fantastic Alfred.
just a thought.... by gigolo aunt	Sep 21st, 2000 09:02:26 AM
Maybe they should do Batman Beyond as a movie.I'm not a huge fan of BB, and this is probably a good thing.There aren't as many elements for the purists to gripe about, they can play fast and loose with it and not piss off too many people.Also the buzz about Return of the Joker seems good.When I say I'm not a huge fan, it's not that I don't want to be,they just haven't "got" me yet.As for continuity, nobody complained when they didn't include the 60's series as continuity,they should follow Superman and wait a few more years until people forget.
Aronofsky--action sequences by MattHat121	Sep 21st, 2000 09:07:29 AM
Aronofsky is a talented, gifted director, but what does he know about action sequences? Year One has its fair share of hand-to-hand fights and other gritty, realistic violence. So I'm wondering if Aronofsky, given his past two films, is able to competently map out an action scene. I'm not saying he can't, its just that he's never done it before.
How About Jason Lee? by Lance Rock	Sep 21st, 2000 09:16:36 AM
He's proven his chops in Almost Famous--give him the cape, WB!
Jim Gordon should be... by chrisd	Sep 21st, 2000 09:17:14 AM
Kris Kristoferson.
That Brian DePalma is a funny guy by Drexl Spivey	Sep 21st, 2000 09:17:38 AM
Is he the real thing?
Action Sequences by BriscoCountyJr	Sep 21st, 2000 09:32:58 AM
Don't worry about the action sequences, after all, Burton let his second unit director handle most of them in the first Batman. Besides, we hace far to many directors concerned with the look of a film and not enough worried about the story and the acting, anyway.
My goodness. Can't you people take FIVE MINUTES to say "I LOVED by SDG	Sep 21st, 2000 09:50:21 AM
If I were a studio exec this kind of inane vituperation would make me want to eschew comic-book super hero movies altogther and make lots of Merchant-Ivory period pieces. At least then I wouldn't have to listen to my target audience whining the moment the project was announced. This is the kind of TalkBack that gives TalkBacks a bad name. I see Cormorant and a few others have had some sensible and measured statements to make. I basically agree with Cor about Miller and Aronowsky. Yes, Miller made Robocop 2, but he also did Dark Knight, Year One, Daredevil Born Again, and The Man Without Fear. They weren't movies, but they were great superhero storytelling. No one does Batman better than Miller. I haven't yet seen Pi but I'll take some hungry young indie director over Burton and Schumacher any day. Casting unknowns or little-knowns worked well in X-MEN and I trust the same will hold true of Maguire in Spider-Man, and I hope Batman YO does the same. That Boreanez guy from Angel is too lightweight and projects an IQ of about 110. Batman needs to be a really sharp guy. Everyone needs to be YOUNG: Bruce Wayne is about 25, Gordon is no older than 40, Harvey Dent no longer than 30. Even Alfred shouldn't be older than 45 or so.
If this does succeed, what sequels will we see? by FallenStar	Sep 21st, 2000 09:59:13 AM
The Long Haloween or Dark Victory would be cool, but they're too long to translate into a good movie. I would love to see The Dark Knight Returns. But, as with a Batman Beyond feature, a jump from a origen Batman to a future Batman would be disorienting, especially for the average movie goer. There are a number of great comic storylines, ranging from The Killing Joke and A Death in the Family to Knightfall and No Man's Land, but I can't see any of them translating well to the screen. If the studio wants to keep the films going, they'll have to use original material. They'll need top quality writing, directing, and producing, which they've failed to obtain so far. As for the casting, I agree with using an unknown. Besides, Afleck wouldn't do it anyway, unless Paltrow was Catwoman. You think maybe they just want the costumes? However, that's one character you haven't addressed yet. Depending on how closely the film follows the comic, Catwoman should make an appearance, even if it's just an unmasked cameo.
The perfect Batman - Two Words: by mumblesomalley	Sep 21st, 2000 10:10:21 AM
Jason Schwartzman. No, but seriously, I think Jason Lee would be good.
Josh Jackson or Wes Bently by Sam-80	Sep 21st, 2000 10:11:42 AM
George Lucas thought enough of Josh Jackson to test him for "Star Wars". He really does have range as an actor. He can do the stunts. And Wes Bently just is..... My choices
another shitty batman movie by tokyoslim	Sep 21st, 2000 10:15:20 AM
this will either never happen or will suck like all the others!!! no discussion needed for this, its a no brainer, hollywood cant make a good bat flick!!! and miller wont help it one bit!
Do not tamper... by Raist159	Sep 21st, 2000 10:15:30 AM
From what I gather, 'Batman: YO' is not going to follow with Tim Burton's FANTASTIC origonal film, 'Batman'. This is just wrong! Of the 4 recent Batman films, this is by far the best, no one can disagree with me there. Those gigantic POS that Joel Schumacher made should be scrapped from film history. But, by chaning how the Batman and Gordon meet, one is basicly saying that NONE of the first 4 films happened. We don't need a character tie in w/ Gordon. Or with any of the other villians who alrady appeared in the films. Brining back the Joker, Penguin, or Catwoman in any way other than how Burton did it should not be allowed. Granted, I'm a bit biased because I am a big fan of Tim's work. But I am a Batman fan LONG before I'm a Burton fan (I used to run around in my Batman underoos 24/7 when I was little). 'Batman: YO' is going to be made, fine, whatever. I can't do anything about it (I would have preferred 'The Dark Knight Returns' but, whatever). But if this film is going to be made, KEEP IT SEPARATE. NO connections to villians, characters or story lines that were already used. Just show how Bruce grows as a vigilante crime fighter. And if that dipshit Robin shows up ANYWHERE, I'm going to lead a one man campaign to put WB out of business. Raist159
Wait 'Til You People See Requiem by Anton_Sirius	Sep 21st, 2000 10:22:58 AM
Aranofsky co-wrote that script too with the original author (Hugh Selby Jr.) and turned what was thought to be a nearly unfilmable novel into a masterpiece. As for how dark it will be? If Requiem is any indication, Year One will make the Burton Batman's look like Barney episodes. My hunch for casting: Jared Leto as Bruce. They seemed to work really well together on Requiem. I didn't see Prefontaine, so I don't know if Jared can play anything other than a slighty dim pretty-boy, but I have a feeling he could pull it off.
Tim McGinnis RULES! by Lev_Harris	Sep 21st, 2000 10:53:50 AM
I'm more excited about the BB film live action film, and even more so about "Return of the Joker". They'll have to make this film fucking spectacular for me really dig it. Shoefucker has really made me doubtfull about batman films, and I'm a HUGE batman fan. Oh... and what's the deal with "...is no longer Batman and his role is filled by Tim McGinnis, a Gotham high ..." I swear his name was Terry. Unless... Terry is long for Tim? Hehehe... Whatever...
Well it's not Dark Knight Returns, but it's a step in the right by ARCTURUS	Sep 21st, 2000 11:51:30 AM
I would guess Warner Bros. likes the "Year One" concept as a tagline on a marquee to pull in new fans who otherwise would shy away from a new sequel. I'm glad Miller is involved in any case, and Aronovsky hopefully will bring his interesting neo-noir style to the picture. As far as casting goes-Brad Pitt?: No. Boreanaz? Although the right frame an build, and experience playing a dark, troubled character, his facial features, eyes, haircolor, etc., should be more like the comic books, and no amount of prostetics can rectify his deficiencies. I can't see him as Bruce Wayne, either, it would be too comical. And as for Jason Lee? Come on. Maybe he could play a 30-35 year old slackeresqe loser-type Robin, but he's all wrong for Bats, at least according to the comic books. Unfortunately, I'm drawing a blank as to who should be cast as Batman for Year One. I'm still infatuated with the idea of a fifty-year old Batman ala Dark Knight Returns.
Respect by Scott Ridley	Sep 21st, 2000 11:52:13 AM
Given the length of this talkback it is easy to deduce that the 'Batman ' movies are far from over.Arguement is healthy in this respect; it proves that 'Batman' still arouses a great deal of passion and intrest amoung the fans, if only someone in Hollywood would read some of the comment's here they would get some fresh and intresting idea's for casting.Another thing that strikes me is that most of us are far more intrested in the story, casting and characterization than action or special effects.We seem to recoginise that the movie need's depth, complexity and drama with thrills similar to movies like Se7en,Silence of the Lambs and even The Shawshank Redemption than another 'Jurassic Park' type effect's extravaganza.'Batman' needs that kind of respect to bring the subject matter truly to life, so far, as someone said earlier, he has not been the focus of any of the movies playing seccond fiddle to villans, effect, set design, and I suspect, marketing concerns.The net effect of this has stifiled the series and has become the biggest villan Batman has yet to face.With regard to continuity it is probably best that they start over,Burton's Batman movies will still exist and the other's will hopefully be forgotten .Starting over is something that's done in the comic's on a very regular basis and it hasn't done them any harm, and I believe that most of us would rather see something fresh and innovative than anything tied too closely to the existing film's, especially the last two.Many of the concerns we express here may allready be under consideration; with Aronowski and Miller on board the evidence suggest's that Warner Bros has finally gotten the message.I hope so. -S.R.
David BoringAss as Batman?... by prajadhipok	Sep 21st, 2000 11:54:20 AM
...only if the producers have a gay erotic fetish. i am not a big buffy fan, im sure its a great show, but he just thinks hes "ALL THAT!"
Year One by Mijin2	Sep 21st, 2000 11:59:38 AM
Yes! This is very good news that uber comic god writer Frank Miller is helping with cowriting duties. Lets just hope that the suits at Warner Bros. don't find a way to screw this up. My only question is how they are going handle the continunty. I mean the first film was kinda of set in a year one time period.
An interesting choice at the very least. by superninja	Sep 21st, 2000 11:59:49 AM
At least this won't be another Schumacher debacle. It could be a debacle, but at least if it is will be one of a different sort. I'm not naysaying, I'm just pleasantly surprised WB went with an indie director and the Year One storyline. I would say shades of Singer/Fox here, and I hope the effort turns out just as well if not better. Good luck Mr. Aronofsky!
Boreanez. by superninja	Sep 21st, 2000 12:10:43 PM
He has a long way to come as an actor before I'd give him Batman, especially in the context of a Year One storyline. Not to say he doesn't have dramatic potential, but I feel he has yet to demonstrate it to the fullest. There are lots of handsome young actors out there waiting for a shot at the big-time who I would say have a better range than DB. I only hope that as well as acting ability, they do consider body type and avoid rubber suits for this new Batman outing, which could relaunch the franchise. As for Ben Affleck, I think he would make a fantastic villain, as Bullseye in a Daredevil film.
Viggo Mortensen as Jim Gordon. by superninja	Sep 21st, 2000 12:13:48 PM
He's perfect.
sorry ! by X-Girls	Sep 21st, 2000 12:15:14 PM
I'm sorry I bitched, some of us are too young to have read the whole year one thing. And it's hard to believe this would make a better film than Dark Knight Returns. Hopefully it'll be a character driven, well written, film noir piece, starring an unknown that doesn't look like a little boy. By the way, Akiva didn't know they were going to turn it into a movie while he wrote did he? I thought it was written a while back? If ShoeMaker thought that that film could work on screen -IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT-he knew what he was gonna shit out, ShoeMaker wanted to make Year One too, remember? With a "poor, black catwoman living in the 'hood" as I recall.
This movies will suck because Aronofski hasn't proven he can dir by U.R. Pretentious	Sep 21st, 2000 12:19:38 PM
This movie will flop harder than Joel Schumacher's wet dream films did! Why? Because Aronofski is using a comic book writer to write a movie about a comic character! He actually has someone who defined the character in comics, so he'll obviously destroy him on film and Aronofski has only directed two films and hasn't proven he can direct action yet! But, most of all, this movie will suck because I haven't read the script, and all the previous Batfilms sucked hard ass! And I know this because I'm an Uberbatfan and, aside from Batman, only collect the most obscure underground comics by unknown artists! Why? Because I'm a film geek and I nitpick.
On second thought, this movie will rock because aronofski hasn't by U.R. Pretentious	Sep 21st, 2000 12:24:46 PM
Miller is the greatest comics writer ever! He defined the character, so there's no way he can screw him up! Aronofski hasn't proven he can direct an action scene, but, he's an indie God filmmaker so he's obviously the best choice to direct the film. He's even a comic book fan so he knows the characters and won't ruin them with unneeded homosexual fantasy shots like BATMAN & ROBIN and BATMAN FOREVER! This film will dominate the box office because posting movie titles in all caps is uberkool! I have no real information to base this opinion on, but this film will rock! Why? Because I'm a film geek, and I nitpick.
Aronofsky and action... by superninja	Sep 21st, 2000 12:33:12 PM
Where did Bryan Singer direct action previous to X-Men? Look, it can be done. You can get an indie director and make a nice little superhero film. The smaller the budget for this film, the fewer "name" actors involved, I'd guess the better luck we have at seeing a REAL BATMAN FILM. Batman does NOT need a big budget!!! All that wasted money on set pieces and gadgets was just that -- a waste. I think Aronofsky should make this film as low-key and film noir as possible.********Now for my ideal cast, heheeh...Jim Gordon: Viggo Mortensen. Barbara Gordon: Bridget Fonda. Harvey Dent: Vince Vaughn (EXCELLENT suggestion Jim Jim). Selina Kyle: Cate Blanchett. If you must do the Joker, I say Joaquim Phoenix, though he might be a bit young.*****On a side note, anyone think Natasha Lyonne would make a great Harley Quinn?
El Hombre Murcielago, Numero Uno, Si! by Superman	Sep 21st, 2000 12:34:16 PM
Estoy de acuerdo con el articulo de Cormorant. El es un hombre muy inteligente. SDG, tambien es inteligente. Harry, es una ballena embarazada. El Warrior, es el rey del universo. Si fuera director, yo contrataria, a Ed Norton, para el papel de Batman. No se parece mucho a Bruce Wayne, pero tiene la intensidad necesaria (gran actor), para demonstrar las emociones de un hombre en agonia. Ben Affleck, valdria mierda como Batman. Otra chingadera, seria ese maricon que actua en el programa de TV, Angel. John Cleese, exelente como Alfred. Como el Comisionado Gordon, Gary Sinise (imaginen, Norton y Sinise, juntos, en una pelicula). Bueno, ese es todo por hoy. Hasta la vista, baby!
Yeah...genius, right. by TheGooch	Sep 21st, 2000 12:53:54 PM
Frank Miller was the genius who wrote and directed the stinker Robocop 2. So let's not just banty around this "genius" tag. He's a great comic writer and artist...but no freakin genius. Get real.
Miller did NOT direct Robocop 2!!!!!!!! by sundown	Sep 21st, 2000 01:07:28 PM
point of fact he wrote ONE script that was butchered horribly in rewrites and ended up being TWO films so that can tell you how much they changed it. Irvin Kershner directed Robo 2 and because of that debacle MIller has stayed far away from Hollywood for a long time. He made this clear in his Sin City editorial pages. They must have offered him creative control and a sweet deal after splitting his last script in two and making two sucky movies.
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST by Wee Willie	Sep 21st, 2000 01:08:11 PM
Batman movies are the sell-out king's last refuge. Aronofsky should stick to indie films. Batman is the kiss of death.
singers action sequences by sundown	Sep 21st, 2000 01:09:46 PM
Usual Suspects HAD action sequences where gusy run around with guns but not many.ANd while Xmen was good its strength was NOT its action. Those seens were weak when compared to ther action directors films and sequences. That is not to say this guy CAN'T do action but he better hire some good guys
I'd wrather see Frank Miller's Ronin! by iamdeadfish	Sep 21st, 2000 01:11:58 PM
But don't get me wrong... this movie will kick ass too! I hope this means that Clint Mansell will be doing the score? CM and DA work so well together that they have to! When's that Requiem for a Dream soundtrack coming out anyways?!
Requiem for a Dream by TheChronic	Sep 21st, 2000 01:16:57 PM
Before you all start heaping on Aronofsky check out his new film _Requiem for a Dream_. I think after seeing the performances he gets out in a gritty yet stylish dram you'll be impressed. Also _Year One_ was stylistically influenced by _Taxi Driver_ and I think we'll see some nice gritty realism combined with interesting direction and cinematography from Aronofsky. Since Miller is adapting his own story we should get some respect for the character. The only real question is how much studio interferrence there will be. Yet you have to admit that by picking Aronofsky over a regular studio director they are signalling a very different approach to things.
Sundown, like I said, it can be done. by superninja	Sep 21st, 2000 01:18:14 PM
I wasn't saying Singer's action sequences in X-Men were standouts, but they certainly didn't take away from the film, IMHO.
Casting for Gordon by Wing_head	Sep 21st, 2000 01:21:31 PM
What about Eric Stoltz for a young Gordon? Oh, and Brad Pitt for Batman is a terrible idea!
Yo! Batman Raps! by Kent Allard	Sep 21st, 2000 01:38:33 PM
Anyone else notice in the Variety article (at least in print) that BATMAN: YEAR ONE is ALWAYS abbreviated as BATMAN: YO and "Year One" isn't mentioned anywhere? Maybe a small thing, but won't those non-comic people out there believe that the Dark Knight will be bustin' some rhymes in the next film? About the Batman casting, Ben Affleck - no, Jared Leto - too pretty-boy, Wes Bentley - probably the best choice if they can get him. I am cautiously optimistic about this one...
Here's a concept: What if... by SDG	Sep 21st, 2000 01:42:49 PM
What if a Batman movie were actually about Batman? What if he were the most compelling and interesting character in the movie? What if he were more interesting than his opponents or his toys? What if it were all about his development and motivation instead of over-the-top mugging by the other actors? What if Batman could actually move, fight, jump, dodge, hide, roll, swing? What if he were an action hero instead of an action figure? What if there were hard choices he had to make and his humanity figured larger than his utility belt?......That could be a movie worth watching.
Russel Crowe! by brody783	Sep 21st, 2000 01:53:11 PM
Now, I know he may look a little old, but I think they could make him look a little younger. He's just perfect in my mind. William H. Macy for Gordon! Thandie Newton for Catwoman! Some people may think she's a little too Eartha Kitt like, and it'd bring back memories of the TV show but I think it'd work, and really help start the series fresh. John Cleese would be a good Alfred or maybe even anyone from Monty Python (the two terry's exculded). i have read dark knight returns but not Year One, what does the plot consist of? Is there any main villian?
Russel Crowe! by brody783	Sep 21st, 2000 01:58:27 PM
Now, I know he may look a little old, but I think they could make him look a little younger. He's just perfect in my mind. William H. Macy for Gordon! Thandie Newton for Catwoman,! Some people may think she's a little too Eartha Kitt like, and it'd bring back memories of the TV show but I think it'd work, and really help start the series fresh. And he slinky, sexy body is perfecto for the costume. She reminds me of a feline already. John Cleese would be a good Alfred or maybe even anyone from Monty Python (the two terry's exculded). i have read dark knight returns but not Year One, what does the plot consist of? Is there any main villian?
It could work, IF by Blok Narpin	Sep 21st, 2000 02:50:11 PM
This will work IF they dont include Catwoman. Just as long as this movie does NOT contradict what we've seen in the first Three Batman films I'll be happy. Catwoman's inclusion would contradict Batman Returns and that is STILL the best Batman movie. This prequel buisness is just such a continuty NIGHTMARE, why dont they just get Miller and Aronofsky make a POST Batman and Robin movie? We dont NEED to see Year One. We ALL know the story of how Bruce Wayne became Batman. It would be FAR FAR better to make a movie staring George Clooney in which we see Chris O'Donnel's Robin move off to Bloohaven in the begining leaving Bruce and Alfred alone again. Bring back the Dark, brooding Batman we saw in the first two films. Less gadgets and more brains and detective work. and most important BRING BACK NICHOLSON AS JOKER!!! I mean geeze, he's getting a little old! They had certainly better get him back again before he's TOO old to play the role!!!
the current bat continuity SUCKS it has run its course by sundown	Sep 21st, 2000 03:03:03 PM
and Nicholson is already too DAMN old. SCREW Batman Returns (friggen penbguins with rockets that film SUCKED!) and Batman and Robin you have to insane to keep any of that continuity. Why not just let Shumacher make another one! Bloodhaven my butt! Screw the old sucky movie continuity and the new crappy comic continuity. Give me something new and cool. I could live with Bale as the Bat and Cleese as Alfed. Gimme Oldman as the Joker and Fairuza as Quinn (lets have FUN with continuity for once and change stuff for the better!) gimme Catherine Zeta Jones as Catwoman that doesn't say bullcrap like corndog. gimme Ed Harris as Gordon and gimme a movie put together by people that care based on a cool story like Year One that most heathens here haven't read!
Jude Law & Fairuza Balk by Leech	Sep 21st, 2000 03:08:44 PM
Haven't you people read Year One? Nicholson as Joker? This is a YOUNG cast folks. Who better to play Bruce Wayne than Jude Law? Who better to play Selina Kyle than Fairuza Balk? Vince Vaughn as Harvey is a great idea. You need indy actors to give this movie the right feel. It needs to be mega film noir and should be a little grainy and "unprofessional" to give the film that overall rookie feel. Oh, yeah. Stephen Dorff as the Joker.
Those damn hollywood execs by olmanic	Sep 21st, 2000 03:10:37 PM
Alright. Everybody is sconvinced that this will suck. It might very well suck. This is because hollywood is run by people who like to make money, not by artists. You must understand this. They only care about is the bottom line. Listen to people like kevin smith talk about his experiences with that silly superman script he was trying to write. Hollywood movies are also developed by comittee. Superhjero films especially. (if F. Miller's Robocop script sucked it wasn't necessarily his fault.) Prodecers can force a script to be anything that they(almost always a non-fan) wants it to be. If it's not, bye bye money. no money, no film. Face up to the reality of the situation. Movies are not made for the fans. That's what the comics are for. Movies are made for the mass populace of this country. These people are not fans. they are not knowledgeable about the storylines or the characters. Niether are most of the people making the films. It is RARE that anybody having anyhting to do with the movie (above the line) has any real knowledge of the original story. Or if they do, they want to do it "their" way. (schumacher was a HUGE fan of the TV show. Think about the connection) About Year ONE. It a astory about people moving to a city that is corrupt and crime ridden. Think about Se7en. This is very similar. Gordon comes in with a new wife to a nasty city. Wife is pregnant. Then there is this pyscgho is a suit beating the shit out of cops and criminals alike, but at he same time, he is saving innocents. Gordon has to deal with this new problem when the only thing the cops want to do it kill it. Corrupt cops work to gether. Read or watch L.A. Confidential and you will understand what corrupt cops do to the new guy. This can be a good movie. But will it? Warner Bros brought us the matrix. A movie much of fandom adores. They brought us the Iron giant, a faboulous film, horribly marketed? (this is becasue a higher up was tired of animation as a viable medium and would not fund the marketing) WEarner bros is incahrge of the animated series. They know the batman. They can do it right. Give it a chance and relaize the difficulty that making a film with soul can be. Next time you want to do something, imagine it costs even $1000 and then thake ten of your friends and make an unanimous decision on EXACTLY how that moeny should be spent. it's alot harder than you think. Enoy the comics. That is where the Batman belongs. This is his medium. Enojy the fact that he exist at all.
Gary Cole as Gordon by Cassius the Evil	Sep 21st, 2000 03:22:25 PM
Aw, c'mon, think about it. Anyone out there seen American Gothic? Anyone? Now, wasn't he cool as Sheriff Buck?
Revisionist History by sectors2	Sep 21st, 2000 03:41:52 PM
Has'nt 'Year One' been done already? Was'nt it called, 'Batman?' I think it starred Nicholson and Keaton. Was dircted by that 'Scissorhands' guy. But seriously. Does anyone besides myself remember the premise of that movie? Batman gets INTRODUCED to the streets of Gotham as well as the Gotham PD for the FIRST time? Are we then, to believe now, that this Year One adaptation 1. will seemingly NOT take place in Gotham, which is sure blasphemy.. and/or 2. That this film severes ALL ties to the previous 4 Batman big screen flicks. Either way, that'll further muck up a franchise that admittedly, already has one foot in the grave. A Dark Knight storyline is the ONLY way to go. You've already got the current 'Hottest' star in Hollywood signed for two more Bat flicks in George (Perfect Storm, Three Kings) Clooney. With the much ballyhooed Oceans 11 on the Horizon, why would'nt they take a chance on riding his continued wave of success, and let him don the cape and cowl again. Just keep that damned Joel SCREWmaker the hell away!! Even if you have to put a restraining order against him.
WB has finally gotten the idea by Blue Devil	Sep 21st, 2000 03:49:49 PM
I can't think of a single person who liked the concept of the Joker killing Batman's parents in the original film. Burton and WB really screwed that one up. But alas, they're finally doing right by revamping the entire Batman film mythos. Thank God! This is very promising (especially considering the mess Spider-Man is in right now) and hopefully will continue to be so. I only hope they don't try to cast some wet behind the ears teen goon to play Bruce. Remember, by the time he became Batman he had been through college (what was his degree in anyway?) and was in his early to mid twenties.
Completely toss out all the ShoeMaker films as continuity by X-Girls	Sep 21st, 2000 03:57:32 PM
Does Batman Year One take place in the 1930's?? That would explain the 'first year' thing to me. I would love a period Batman piece with nice Gotham scenery, taking place near in October or something, mentions of some big costumed villains but no adventures with them. This sounds great and look to great comics and movies that'll make or break this film like Xmen. And don't try knocking Frank Miller-you lose all credibility right about then.
more adventures in casting... by holidill	Sep 21st, 2000 04:05:23 PM
I've read everyone's posts, except Battleposter's that hoser! Or should I say hydrolic hoser, but I digress. Everyone is throwing out some good casting ideas. But before we get to that let's discuss Year one. Batman makes his first apperance, the GCPD is still crooked as all hell, young Jim Gordon who, let's face it is the focus of this story is contemplating an affair with another officer, and Selina Kyle gets introduced as a Prostitute. Well this was written by Frank Miller who is now doing the screen story. It's main villains are organized crime and the crooked GCPD. There are no supervillains, and that's the way it should be. We need to have a young Bruce Wayne(in all honesty I couldn't tell you who to pick, just no Affleck or Damon!), Alfred(Cleese is good as is Michael Palin, as long as they don't turn it into Monty Python hysterics), young Harvey Dent(while VInce Vaughn is interesting, I rather like the idea of Edward Norton myself) Selina Kyle who has to be in it and has to have her real origin in it played by Zeta-Jones, good idea.Or maybe Jennifer Connoley Finally the most important part, Gordon(I like Miguel Ferrer myself, maybe Ed Harris or Billy Bob, but I think Miguel could really break out in this role) Well that's the long and short of it. Seems interesting, but with the strike coming up who knows...
Russel Crowe and Thandie Newton! by brody783	Sep 21st, 2000 04:15:14 PM
Am I the only one who can see Crowe as Batman? He'd be so damn good, I can't even explain it in words, he fits it perfectly he can play young too as well as old (Insider). He could play a mean bad ass and a playboy. Perfect! Thandie Newton would make a great Selina Kyle/Catwoman. She's slinky and sexy and would look great in tight leather. Who cares if she's black? It would be a great way to say "we're telling these other films to screw off, this is totally different". also, WHMacy is perfect for Gordon. Now I've read "Dark night returns" by Miller and I have to say it may be the best mini-series ever in comix history. I haven't read Year One but I will soon, I can't see him messing anything about batman up. Aronofsky can is so imaginative with such a tiny budget, of course he'll rock with a big budget. This is a fanboy's dream I think. The only other people who would could do it justice are Fincher or Wachowski Bros.
Ben Affleck would be damn good in this role. by Dr. Spectra	Sep 21st, 2000 04:25:26 PM
Just my humble opinion. Time to go back to work now.
I would prefer someone younger as Selina Kyle than Zeta-Jones. by superninja	Sep 21st, 2000 04:55:02 PM
Thandie Newton is a good suggestion -- I don't care that she's black, but some of the fans might. Just like I didn't mind that Billy Dee was Dent in Batman. But I always thought the Kyle in Year One was very lean and hard and hungry -- not voluptuous and showgirly like Zeta-Jones or Jennifer Connoly. That's why I like Blanchett. And SCREW the Schumacker/Burton contiuity! Start over from the beginning and make a real Batman film.
Ben Affleck is a Cracker! by Corpsegrinder	Sep 21st, 2000 05:00:50 PM
Ben Affleck is a candy-ass pretty boy, he would definately not make a good Batman. You people probaly think freddie Priss Jr would've been a good Peter Parker, or perhaps you were leaning towards Leonardo de caprio? To hell with it all, I may not know who should play Batman, but I know who shouldn't.
"Der, Anyone From Monty Python Would Make A Good Alfred. . ." by Cowblaster	Sep 21st, 2000 05:04:35 PM
"Because they're all British, right? So, you need a British actor to play a British character, and since I don't know that many British actors, Monty Python would be PERFECT!"
Um..yeah you nailed it... by brody783	Sep 21st, 2000 05:09:11 PM
actually it's just cause john cleese looks alot like the alfred from the comic book and has the sarcastic, dry wit to pull it off, but hey if it makes you feel better to put people's suggestions down, be my guest.
BATFAT by Cuthbert Delish	Sep 21st, 2000 05:53:18 PM
I think Batman should weigh eight hundred pounds and carry Hostess Cupcakes and McDonald's Fries in his utility belt in this movie. Also, Robin should be played by a midget.
You know who should play Gordon by Sugars	Sep 21st, 2000 06:04:18 PM
That police guy who was in Die Hard 3. I cant remember his damn name in real life but in the movie his name was Walter. Does anyone know who the hell i'm talking about but he would be great.
the facts on Miller... by Coopcooper	Sep 21st, 2000 06:09:17 PM
and has anyone here even read Batman: Year One? first off, batman: year one is brilliant. it perfectly shows the rise of the best traditional comic book superhero out there. it shows how he starts out, and explains his costume and his relationship with gordon. its a very GRITTY and very realistic take on batman/bruce wayne. think millionare playboy meets travis bickle in a costume. i mean, read the fucking book and you will be excited about this. why are people complaining about Miller writing? would you rather Akiva Goldsmith had another go at it? Miller wrote this comic that is one of the best batman comics ever written. now he's writing the screenplay. we have a daring indie director at the helm. not another joel shumacher homo-erotic acid trip to gotham city (nothing against homo-erotism, its just not batman). we should be happy. this will put all four batman movies to shame with ease and i think it could actually be a worthy film on its own. arronofskky (sp?) is an intelligent filmmaker. there are very few of those around these days. any batman fan is lucky to have him in control. and i very much agree with the person who suggested christian bale for bruce wayne/batman. he looks good in a suit, has a good jaw, and, judging by american psycho and the pics from captain correli's mandolin, can have the build for the part. they could use a costume not made out of molded rubber for christ's sake, batman could actually move on film. and as far as frank miller is concerned, know the facts before you start bashing him. he has stated in the letters column of his sin city books how his screenplay for robocop 2 was drastically abused in the filmmaking process. and robocop 3 for the record, took that same script of robocop 2 and changed it enough to make a new (horrible) movie (think thunderball and never say never again). todd mcfarlane once bashed miller for robocop 2. miller responded saying that mcfarlane had no clue how little control you have of your work in hollywood. mcfarlane later issued an apology (which i'm sure he understands very much after the shit fest that was spawn:the movie). i think these two talents working together can bring upon a batman movie that doesn't suck and, dare i say it, could be a very good movie among actual good movies, not just comic adaptions.
the facts on Miller... by Coopcooper	Sep 21st, 2000 06:10:19 PM
and has anyone here even read Batman: Year One? first off, batman: year one is brilliant. it perfectly shows the rise of the best traditional comic book superhero out there. it shows how he starts out, and explains his costume and his relationship with gordon. its a very GRITTY and very realistic take on batman/bruce wayne. think millionare playboy meets travis bickle in a costume. i mean, read the fucking book and you will be excited about this. why are people complaining about Miller writing? would you rather Akiva Goldsmith had another go at it? Miller wrote this comic that is one of the best batman comics ever written. now he's writing the screenplay. we have a daring indie director at the helm. not another joel shumacher homo-erotic acid trip to gotham city (nothing against homo-erotism, its just not batman). we should be happy. this will put all four batman movies to shame with ease and i think it could actually be a worthy film on its own. arronofskky (sp?) is an intelligent filmmaker. there are very few of those around these days. any batman fan is lucky to have him in control. and i very much agree with the person who suggested christian bale for bruce wayne/batman. he looks good in a suit, has a good jaw, and, judging by american psycho and the pics from captain correli's mandolin, can have the build for the part. they could use a costume not made out of molded rubber for christ's sake, batman could actually move on film. and as far as frank miller is concerned, know the facts before you start bashing him. he has stated in the letters column of his sin city books how his screenplay for robocop 2 was drastically abused in the filmmaking process. and robocop 3 for the record, took that same script of robocop 2 and changed it enough to make a new (horrible) movie (think thunderball and never say never again). todd mcfarlane once bashed miller for robocop 2. miller responded saying that mcfarlane had no clue how little control you have of your work in hollywood. mcfarlane later issued an apology (which i'm sure he understands very much after the shit fest that was spawn:the movie). i think these two talents working together can bring upon a batman movie that doesn't suck and, dare i say it, could be a very good movie among actual good movies, not just comic adaptions.
attention Warner Bros exex... by trikydik	Sep 21st, 2000 06:18:02 PM
Thought I'd take the liberty of distilling down some of what I thought were the better ideas posted here today for the sake of any WB exex looking to these boards to gauge the public's interests. For the record, these are really great, well-thought ideas that would be affordable, safely bankable as well as good for the parts. Order and selection are mine, but culled from posts, so it's still just opinion (if aggregated): BRUCE WAYNE: 1. an unknown (see Cormorant's insightful post re: Christopher Reeve/Hugh Jackman) 2. Christian Bale 3. David Boreanaz (please hire a better hairstylist) 4. Wes Bentley JIM GORDON: 1. Gary Sinise (brilliant suggestion, BTW) 2. William H. Macy 3. Brian Dennehy (if we had a time machine...yeah, he's a bit old for the part, but if he had a clone...) 4. Billy Bob Thornton HARVEY DENT 1.Joaquin Phoenix (super twitchy, but 3-dimensional) 2. Vince Vaughn 3. Kevin Spacey ALFRED 1. Anyone from Monty Python (that's right -- I dare you to find another group of super-talented Brits who would be the right age) 2. (my own suggestion: Eddie Izzard) SELINA KYLE: 1. Jennifer Connolly BARBARA GORDON: 1. Bridget Fonda COULD PLAY ANYONE: 1. Edward Norton TWO FACTORS WHICH INDICATE SUCCESS: 1. WB released "The Matrix" without screwing with it 2. Studio copycat mentality means that they'll do whatever made "X-Men" a success, namely: intimate focus, 3-dimensional characters, inexpensive or unknown actors. Break a leg, guys!
My idea by evilbaby	Sep 21st, 2000 06:22:17 PM
do a Batman 5 THEN have the storyline veer off into a whole new direction into YO.
pope john paul (+casting, rambling) by Coopcooper	Sep 21st, 2000 06:43:27 PM
by saying that you imply that batman forever and batman&robin followed the precedent that the first two batman films established, which, as we all know, isn't true. this franchise basically allow the director to take the characters wherever they want no matter how sucky it is. its no surprise that after the sad state batman&robin left the franchise they're willing to pick up and start from the beginning on what could be a fantastic movie. and if aronofsky and miller gel to create such a film it may lead to a complete rebirth for the character as something well done and respectable, as opposed to the embarassed/laughing stock position it holds now. if it lead to the film adaptions of the dark knight returns and even (depending on how it turns out) the sequel to it miller's been working on. i personally think this is a very promising idea. anyway, the variety report said that batman beyond was still in the works. wouldn't it kick ass if they released them both in close proximity, with the latest cartoon adaption for the kids and an adult, possibly r-rated year one tale? wishful thinking of course but that would be extremely cool. i also agree that russell crowe would be cool as batman, but i still have to hope for bale, because he's just as good an actor, adept at physical transformations (see the differance between velvet goldmine and all the little animals to american psycho), and i think he most looks the part of a young bruce wayne (despite the fact he isn't that young, but look to metroland for his ability to play younger than his age). i like thandie newton as catwoman, and wouldn't be all that surprised by a black catwoman (wasn't the character black in miller's year one?). i also dig joquain phoenix as harvey dent. i think he could pull that off very well. i also agree with the suggestion of viggo mortensen as jim gordon. he has that square jawed look going. add a mustache and some glasses and he's just about perfect. hmm, what else? you really don't have much to worry about in the way of barbara gordon, cause if i remember correctly she's just a baby. the cool thing about this project is the focus is primarily on bruce wayne and how he becomes batman, and what that means. the story is firmly set in reality and made very believable. the movie could be great and i'm really excited for it. oh yeah, and sorry about that double-post of a lengthy set of rambling, my computer was being a cunt.
Hell Yeah, A Python As Alfred! John Cleese To Be Exact... by Buzz Maverik	Sep 21st, 2000 06:45:40 PM
"You want to dress up as a bat? A bat, did you say? Why on earth would you want to dress up as a bat?...To fight crime and avenge your parents? And you feel that being dressed as a flying rodent will enhance your abilities to do this? Really, sir, perhaps you should start seeing your doctor again .... You want to strike fear into the hearts of criminals? While dressed up as a bat? Will you be making squeeling sounds sir? Will you be radar guided? ... Bat themed weapons? Batarangs? Uh, yes, that would be more effective than, say a machine gun or an automatic pistol...A Catwoman calling for you, sir. Really, is this the calibre of woman you're seeing these days. I do hope you are ... hhhmmph, careful....Sir, I just have to say, this whole bat dressing up concept has me worried."
Hell Yeah, A Python As Alfred! John Cleese To Be Exact... by Buzz Maverik	Sep 21st, 2000 06:45:41 PM
"You want to dress up as a bat? A bat, did you say? Why on earth would you want to dress up as a bat?...To fight crime and avenge your parents? And you feel that being dressed as a flying rodent will enhance your abilities to do this? Really, sir, perhaps you should start seeing your doctor again .... You want to strike fear into the hearts of criminals? While dressed up as a bat? Will you be making squeeling sounds sir? Will you be radar guided? ... Bat themed weapons? Batarangs? Uh, yes, that would be more effective than, say a machine gun or an automatic pistol...A Catwoman calling for you, sir. Really, is this the calibre of woman you're seeing these days. I do hope you are ... hhhmmph, careful....Sir, I just have to say, this whole bat dressing up concept has me worried."
When Batman Leaves The Batcave, Does He Always Veer To The Left? by Buzz Maverik	Sep 21st, 2000 07:06:10 PM

Action Scenes by TheChronic	Sep 21st, 2000 07:24:53 PM
First off remember the Wachowskis? They had a sophmore effort called _The Matrix_. So it need not be that _BM:YO_ will have crappy action sequences. The trick is to hire a very good choreographer. Bryan Singer didn't, unfortunately. With the exception of Wolverine at the beginning the action sequences were pretty weak. (Although I still liked the movie) What Aronofsky has to do is decide on a martial arts style and then hire the best guy around. I'd prefer something other than a John Woo styled Kung Fu myself. It's sort of been done to death. Hopefully he'll use some Aikido or Ju-jitsu combined with some nice gymnastics. Both of those were always about a minimum of movement and efficiency that I always associated with Batman. Plus it'd be nice to see some of those styles in a movie that doesn't suck.
by The_Escapist	Sep 21st, 2000 07:30:57 PM

The One True Bruce Wayne Is.......... by The_Escapist	Sep 21st, 2000 07:33:37 PM
Guy Pearce!!!!!! Think about it, he could pull it off in an instant! Down with George Clooney!
Well, to tell you the truth... by The_Escapist	Sep 21st, 2000 07:41:35 PM
I don't hate george clooney at all. i think he's a pretty good actor. But, even he admit that he sucked in Batman & Robin. sorry if i offended anyone.
Gordon Rules by telegramsam	Sep 21st, 2000 10:21:36 PM
Anyone actually read "Batman Year One?" From what I remember (cue the harp), half of the story is told from Gordon's POV. Rather than going on and on about who's going to wear the cape, focus on who's going to wear the badge. Cassius the Evil (earlier Talk Back) spaketh the truth when he said Gary Cole would make an excellent Gordon. Damn, he was great in "American Gothic" and he's been good in almost everything I've seen him in, including the Brady Bunch movies. I think I got another likely candidate: Viggo Mortenson. Just think about Miller's characterization: Gordon was relatively young, only about 10 years older than Bruce Wayne (about 35). He was a man of high principles and deep flaws (screwing around when his wife was pregnant) He could kick his own ass, not just run to the Bat Signal whenever he was in over his head. Now think about 'ol Viggo. Granted, some of his career choices have been downright bizarre (the "Blouseman?"), but he always brings edginess and moral ambiguity to whatever he's played ("GI Jane," "Prophecy," "Crimson Tide," "A Perfect Murder"). What do you think, Harry?
ManOwaR by Superman	Sep 21st, 2000 10:40:42 PM
Tu Espanol, fue muy impresionante. Bueno, hasta la vista, baby!
ok...I'll lay it on the line by acebandage	Sep 21st, 2000 11:00:54 PM
Tim Burton's Batman was not the end all be all Batman. A hero is only as good as his villians and that is why the films would focus on the bad guys, although a little more of the hero would be nice. WB and the rest of us have NOT forgotten about the Burton Batman film of 1989 and they are not ruining continuity, they are trying to start over. About the movies that have been made...Burton's Batman was good...just good. The rest SUCKED so bad it's leaving a hickey. Frank Miller is a comic God, but I personally would want to see a film written by Dini. He has a much better grasp on the comic book hero in a comercial medium. As far as casting...NEVER get George Clooney, Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer or Ben Affleck for the role of Batman/Bruce Wayne. They are all wrong for the role. For Year One, do not cast Russell Crowe. HE IS TOO OLD. I still think Bruce Campbell would play Batman and Bruce Wayne closer to the Animated Series, but for Year One he is too old, too. Do not let the Wachowski Bros. direct unless you want a leather-clad, wire hanging chop sokey action fest that has less plot than the ingredients for Maypo. I would probably go with a younger unknown who seemed to fit the role. As far as Commissioner Gordon, I would have to go with Kurt Russell. Rant ends, Flame away.
Ooooooohhhhh YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! by Sith Lord Jesus	Sep 21st, 2000 11:31:45 PM
Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease let this turn out all right!!!!
So you're overjoyed that Batman will be dark again... by kojiro	Sep 21st, 2000 11:34:13 PM
... yet the majority of the posters seem in favor of having John Cleese in it. Yeh. That's really makin sense there folks.
regarding Burton's Batman by Pseudonym	Sep 22nd, 2000 12:13:29 AM
I've seen this in more than a couple of posts, and I just had to say something about it. Just because the Batman mytho may be rewritten in Year One does not mean Burton's two movies cease to exist. They will not be stricken from the historical record, they will not be burned, they will not lose what made them good. Man, some people are acting like Year One will completely erase Burton's two movies. Year One is just a different take on the franchise. Nobody's coming to your home to take your Burton Batman movies away so just relax. And no, I'm not anti-fanboy, I'm just anti-nonsense.
Batman Doesn't Have To Be Black Hearted Dark, Just Not Idiotic C by Buzz Maverik	Sep 22nd, 2000 12:23:07 AM
...there's a middle ground between the Schumacher/Adam West versions and some of Miller's less inspired, shock value scenes in DARK KNIGHT and YEAR ONE. I fucking hate his Catwoman origin and I don't think a character like Holly belongs in a comic book (everyone calls Miller's work realistic but he turns around and has Bats and Daredevil jumping off skyscrapers, grabbing a lamp post and landing on sidewalks in one piece; that's fine but it ain't realistic and no one should have it both ways). I like the Mutants and Two Face in The DARK KNIGHT but his Joker was bland, Joker's girlfriend Bruno was shock value for no other reason and DC didn't have the cajones to say "Don't fuck with Superman, Mr. Hotshot." I love Miller's work but it is not without major flaws. Some of this stuff had more of a place in the '80s when we needed a break from the Reganized brainwashing we were being fed, but it wouldn't work as well now. When Batman is done best, when Miller does Batman best, is when he's an uncompromising force for justice in a world gone insane. Batman might be grim and sinister, but everyone and everything around him is a little nutty.
Russel Crowe... by Scott Ridley	Sep 22nd, 2000 04:27:21 AM
..is too old for Bat's but he would make a perfect mean and moody troubled Gordon.Still think Bale For Batman and if they could get Cristina Ricci to play the woman Gordon has the affair with (or anything else) then I would be a happy man indeed.
Leading Man , Batman:Year One by Sweeper238	Sep 22nd, 2000 05:09:47 AM
Forget all your Hollywood leading man tossers , go for a relatively unknown actor! My pick , Thomas Ian Griffith. I know he is a direct to video type , with the main exception being Vampires ( with James Woods ). Now before you get all snotty and flame the hell outta me , read this. 1) Great Jawline 2) He can fight like a badass S.O.B 3)His Age , is almost perfect ie mid 30s-40 4)His Height 6ft 5in Rent some of his films , Hollow Point , being one of the better ones , and picture him in the SUIT!!
actually Guy Pearce could rock as the bat if he gained some weig by sundown	Sep 22nd, 2000 08:51:23 AM
I read that post earlier from someone and thought damen he has the intensity especially ifit is more character driven and about as 20 something Bat coming to terms with a crap world. Repairing him with a Russell Crowe Gordon would really turn some heads and easily put a focus on Gordon that people wouldn't mind as they eat him up. imagine Crowe dealing with a crroked police force trying to be straight and the spector of the young Pearce over him. DAMN that would rock. Plus they can age Crow to be the older Gordon and he can pull it off (insider?) My idea of Bale/Harris could still work but I like the other much better. I just feel that no one plays indignant better than Harris (needful things speech rocked) One last word on Catwoman. Zeta Jones might be too old but she is NOT too voluptuos come on she has a small tight body and small chest what are you talking about superninja? No doubt Blanchet is an awesome actress (much better than Zeta Jones who I think actually sorta sucks especially after that crapfest Haunting) but she seems too prim and proper. Jones can pull off the urban aspect and as far as her being a villian just watch her in her debut Young Indiana Jones where she plays the biggest seductive two faced bitch you will ever see. That and tight trim athletic build (which Blanchet doesn't really have) make her a fit...but she might be too old. How about Julia Styles she can play the bitch and her as ateenage prostitute would sure be "gritty" and disturbing. As far as Cleese being too goofy for Batman COME on the darkest films are the ones where the laughs come easiest at times as you sit there praying for someone to lighten the mood. Cleese wouldn't make it a laugh fest but his two or three scenes can add contrast to a dark movie poking a little fun at all these tortured souls (usually tortured by themselves) either way if they pick good actors and the studio doesnt force them to hack this could be good. but with all the news of this and a live action Batman Beyond film I have to wonder if this will ever come to pass.
Batman or Gordon? by sectors2	Sep 22nd, 2000 10:27:59 AM
'Year One' , smear one. I've read the Year one storyline, and it was good. Was'nt quite, the Dark Knight.. but one man's trash is another man's treasure. One man's God, another man's Devil... etc. If Hollywood wants to do a movie centered on a young jim Gordon, then by all means. But call the movie 'Gotham'. There's a REASON this one's called 'BATMAN.'
What? No Schumacher!!!! by Stone Cold	Sep 22nd, 2000 11:03:43 AM
I can not believe they are not bringing back Joel Schumacher to direct Batman 5 after the masterpiece that was Batman and Robin!!! And although not as good but a very close second, Batman Forever!!! Both of these films were not only the best two Batman flicks, but were the best comic superhero movies ever created!!! Far better and surperior than films such as X-men and Superman. The dialouge and plot alone in Batman and Robin just blow every other superhero movie out the water. The acting was stupendous!! Especially Aronold and that clueless girl as Batgirl. So, I ask again what was the studio thinking when they did not offer this to Joel!! I think they did, and Joel turned it down, because there can be no way the studios would not want him back after the box-office smash that was Batman and Robin. I mean come on! It made like mind-boggling 107 MILLION DOLLARS!! Geessh! Now this film will suck.
sundown by superninja	Sep 22nd, 2000 11:23:54 AM
Zeta-Jones is too pretty, is what I'm saying. Jennifer Connoly is the one that's too voluptuous...I was referring to Zeta-Jones as a showgirl-type. She's not the type to make herself seem seedy or ugly for a character, and Catwoman is a PROSTITUTE (with what I felt were definitely DOM overtones) in Year One. Name one film where Zeta-Jones isn't vampy, vixeny or seductive. Catwoman from Year One is none of those things -- she's edgy and disturbed and a bit nihilistic, I felt. That's why I suggested Cate Blanchett because no, she's not got the body of a seductress -- she's lean and athletic. She also can be both attractive and not so, which I feel is a key to this character. The Catwoman from Year One is not very likeable IMHO. I dunno, maybe they should change that aspect as someone suggested.
You know whats unbelievable by gigolo aunt	Sep 22nd, 2000 11:48:56 AM
Nobody has mentioned Leo dicrappio for this yet.This is a good thing.Also no Freddie Prinze Jr.
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BATMAN YEAR ONE by Darth Grego	Sep 22nd, 2000 01:23:32 PM
This could be good, but I'd still like to see THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. And who the hell is that director? "Pi"? What? Huh? I'm not the biggest Boreanez fan, but the more I picture him in the role, the more he looks right. Macy would be a great Gordon, but he might be a little old for YO. Phoenix as Harvey Dent? Hmmm... Fairuza Balk as Catwoman and, if you MUST have the Joker, Willem Dafoe. have you ever seen that guy when he smiles? Spitting image! Or hey, why not Mark Hamill? He's got the voice down already...
Year One Better than Dark Knight Returns? I don't know about th by ARCTURUS	Sep 22nd, 2000 02:34:52 PM
But I'm pretty sure they are both better than "Batman Beyond". It's good that a least one Miller story will get to the big screen. I still have no doubt that "The Dark Knight Returns" will make it to the big screen eventually, as it's too good a comic not to. The sad part of the story is, when "Batman Beyond" premiers in theatres, it will steal much of the thunder for "Dark Knight". The uninformed, casual movie goer will assume a future "Dark Knight" movie to be some kind of wierd rip-off of the futuristic theme of what will have been a previously released "Batman Beyond". What a shame. You know, this whole "youthquake" movement in the entertainment industry has gone too far. Teenagers aren't the only folks that buy tickets or watch television en mass, you know. There's NOTHING wrong with seeing a little maturity on screen if done right. This bias against the old, semi-old, (even late-twenties type-old!)really pisses me off.
Neither of Miller's great Batman stories can make it unscathed by moviet00l	Sep 22nd, 2000 04:12:34 PM
Let's face it, we can't have Catwoman in Year One because The very silly Batman Returns made her into a secretary who FALLS OFF A BUILDING and suddenly becomes an ass-kicking Gloria Steinem (instead of an embittered prostitute who has a good reason to loathe men and steal what she needs), and we can't have Dark Knight because in Burton's original Batman THE KILLED OFF THE FUCKING JOKER! THEY FUCKING KILLED THE JOKER! To quote Adam Sandler, "who are the marketing geniuses who came up with this one?" Miller's whole point in writing Dark Knight was to give Batman a resolution, because in order for a legend to truly become a legend we have to know the end of their story. Batman's resolution MUST include The Joker, but in WB's continuity, that's not possible. A year ago, I predicted X-Men would suck, and I was wrong. You want to know one of the reasons WHY I was wrong? BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KILL OFF MAGNETO! I don't trust Warner Brothers as far as I could throw Marlon Brando. They micro-manage their "big" movies until we get tripe like "Batman & Robin" and completely fail to support good movies like "The Iron Giant." Can we believe they will leave Miller and Aronofsky alone and let them craft a good movie, or will the suits order a series of bad re-writes in order to justify their jobs? My money is on the later.
Please God, make Warner Brothers trust their talent... by lycanthrope	Sep 22nd, 2000 04:28:42 PM
It's hard to believe these people own characters that have been around for over half a century, yet they have trouble writing a decent story... Batman has one of the best rogue's galleries, origins, costumes and equipment in the entire genre - who can beat that premise? If only WB would hire decent writers and directors, I thought, they could have a tremendous movie on their hands - not these bloated star vehicles - the fact that WB doesn't trust their own character is seen in many of the posters - they're comprised of glamorous head shots, rather than a stunning visual of a Batman keeping watch over Gotham. Bring on Year One, I say - shitcan all the rest of the films - those of you who worship Burton's vision obviously don't think much of the character - where was the great detective? Where was the uneasy alliance with Gordon? Where was a Batmobile that would scare the shit out of criminals? And a Batplane shot down by a handgun? Ludicrous - to top it off, they kill off the greatest villain in the DC Universe ('cept maybe Lex)... So let's dispense with the rubber, the homages to Metropolis (Lang's, not DC's), the Batmobile that must be destroyed every movie so a new toy line can be introduced next time 'round... Let's let Batman be the focus of the film not the superstar cast as a villain... Let's see him learn his craft - become the most brilliant, tough, kickass superhero out there... If they do that, we'll all be happy, and WB will make a shitload of money... Thanks... Now I'm off to church to pray the WB is listening - otherwise I'll sic Pazuzu on 'em...
See, someone agrees with me! by The_Escapist	Sep 22nd, 2000 04:29:17 PM
Guy Pearce would make an amazing batman!!! Than you sundown! But think about it, a young man, having just recieved a large fortune (i may or may not be right, but i think when you inherit something, you cannot recieve all of it until your of legal age. corect me if i'm wrong) and for what, he didn't earn it. he looks out to the streets and sees homeless people and hookers (celina kyle, for one)and him bieng a millionaire, feels like he owes something to the world, so he sets out and becomes........BATMAN! Guy Pearce could could do it!!!! Let's go "shotgun Ed"!!!!!
About the writer....... by The_Escapist	Sep 22nd, 2000 04:34:02 PM
I say........................... ..................Quentin Tarantino & David Mamet!!!!!! Imagine the script they'll write!!!!!
DC HEROES MOVIE by darthpablo	Sep 22nd, 2000 07:21:57 PM
Enough Batman and Superman.
DCHEROES movie II by darthpablo	Sep 22nd, 2000 07:23:27 PM
Long LIVE THE LEGION!!!!!!
If done correctly... by madman	Sep 22nd, 2000 11:31:13 PM
Since "Forever" and "Batman and Robin" pretty much screwed the Batman franchise and took a long piss on it, starting over would be a great idea, as long as they used good judgement in the plots. Ideas for casting... -Batman/Bruce Wayne-Ed Norton, he played a corporate suit and a loose cannon in Fight Club, and this is younger Batman so he doesnt have to be super built. -Joker-Jason Lee, has the perfect smile and was a psycho from hell in Dogma. Perfect. -Gordon-Russel Crowe, his character in LA Confidential was Gordon. -Catwoman-Sarah Michelle Gellar, obvious reasons and looks kinda like Selina Kyle. -Dent/Two Face-Kevin Spacey, the man can do it all, so give him a dual personality and let him go. -Alfred-John Cleese, everyone is saying it and he does look the part.
I'm all about Christian Bale!!! by Corpsegrinder	Sep 23rd, 2000 12:56:18 AM
I think Christian Bale is the best decision for Bruce Wayne. This guy can act. Have you ever seen American Psycho? Bad fucking ass! He's got the physique, and the looks, he'd be perfect. You know, William H. Macy is a great actor, but James Gordon he is not. I think John Cleese would possibly be a good alfred, but not just anyone from Monty Python. I'm sure they are not the only british actors that are that old... Plus,...for anyone that doesn't understand why they're doing a year one,... It's a completely new start. This movie has nothing to do with the movies 1989-present. It's just like how the Nic Cage Superman wasn't going to be part of the old Christopher Reeves series, and I think that it's a step in the right direction. It's not to say that the previous movies are erased, this is just going to be a new set of movies, telling a new story... Corpsegrinder
Joel Schumacher by stevefan	Sep 23rd, 2000 05:36:04 AM
I just want to say something to defend Joel Schumacher.(The one who did Forever, not Batman &Robin) who did a good job following up the genius of Batman Returns. Joel Schumacher did nothing more than deliver the movie WB asked for. A kid-friendly summer money maker that would sell lot's of toys and Happy meals. Think what you like about the movie ( I seem to be the only one who enjoyed it!) but stop criticising WB for doing it. WB makes movies to make money for it's shareholders, not please obsessive fans who want to 'hang, draw and quarter' anyone who dares make a movie they don't like, no matter how successful it is. If you hate the Batman movies so much; a)don't go see 'em, or b)make suggestions that are a bit more viable COMMERCIALLY than the shit you keep spouting. Sorry if I sound angry but HONESTLY, leave Schumacher alone, you (presumably)don't know the guy, and he did direct good films (well, I liked them anyway!) like Falling Down and The Client. He's proved that he can direct dark films that make money, and he's versatile as a film-maker, which I think makes him more suitable than some of the other stupid suggestions. As for Brad Pitt, if you want him as Batman you must be either gay or Brad Pitt. Boreanaz would not suck as much (he can act a bit)People who love Wes Bentley should watch American Beauty to see what a superficial imitation of The Ice Storm it was. I am Australian, by the way. All the other suggestions are basically casting people in the same role they've played before but wearing black rubber. (ooh!) Also, if you really think you need to personally insult Schumacher and say he deserves to die in a horrible way, at least spell his name properly! If you want to get mad, gat mad at Akiva Goldsman. Orson Welles could not have made B&R good with that script! If I were Joel Schumacher I'd stand up, walk over to my window and tell you to FUCK OFF because I'm as rich as hell and I'm not going to listen to your hateful shit anymore! Excuse my profanity.
1st it's Russell Crowe, 2nd No!!!!! by Sam-80	Sep 23rd, 2000 11:29:44 AM
Russell Crowe is a fantastic actor and he can do anything he puts his mind to but I really doubt he would do "Batman" or "Superman". God, with all the studio interference on this type of film it would, most likely, drive him crazy.
Further proof that there's a God... by Theta	Sep 23rd, 2000 11:42:01 AM
...and that He/She/It's a comics fan. Aronofsky is perfect for something like this; he can handle dark, film-noir type material. And the collaboration with Frank Miller is even better news; the Bat franchise is back on its feet!
Burton, Aronofsky, and Beyond by crackerfarmboy	Sep 23rd, 2000 11:13:49 PM
Where to start? What a huge couple days of news for a Batman freak like myself. First off Return of the Joker comes out next month and according to recent reviews it will kick ass. If it's anything like Mask of the Phantasm it certainly will. How could you not love the Joker? He's the perfect villian. At any rate, now Year One is going to be made. Written by Frank Miller and directed by Aronofsky no less. What a perfect combo for Batman! I'm so psyched. I hope they decide to shelf the Batman Beyond live action movie in favor of this one. Keep Beyond alive through the cool series and the occasional movie. We want Year One, one of the best Batman stories ever told. Finally, stop the Burton bashing! Burton's Batman (the first one anyway) was amazing. Nicolson nailed the Joker. Keaton didn't look the part but he fit the role of the disturbed billionare. Also Batman did some detective work in the movie (the chemicals of the Joker's toxins, the museum scene). Although I do wish that Gordon played a larger role. Don't blame the original because the sequels got progressively more awful. At any rate, go Year One!
JAKE LLOYD as the Caped Crusader?? by hamburglar	Sep 24th, 2000 12:55:15 AM
I think Jakey boy would make a great young Michael Keaton.
Finally.... by Darth_Mallrat	Sep 24th, 2000 09:44:17 AM
The FRANK has come BACK to GOTHAM!!!! This movie will the absolute best Bat-flick ever, cause the MAN will be involved. If anything was to happen to re-affirm my faith in this franchise, this is it.
Hire Alex Ross for Production/Costume Design by Crimson Dynamo	Sep 24th, 2000 12:20:37 PM
'Nuff said.

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