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More on the Christopher Lee casting in Star Wars

COOL!!! by Pr_Frink	Jun 19th, 2000 02:16:32 AM
The only cool thing about this is that I'm first. Christopher Lee being in II is pretty cool, though. But not as cool as me being first. YES!!!
Hurry by fiji mermaid	Jun 19th, 2000 02:17:20 AM
Lucas had better shoot his scenes for Ep 3 NOW, before it's too late. Let's hope it's a fitting denouement for Lee.
One more reason Episode II will be better than Episode I by charlieheston	Jun 19th, 2000 02:24:49 AM
Not that Episode I was as bad as everyone around here seems to think. But just think about it and slowly get excited: Christopher Lee could give his scenes a classic british vibe such as the Peter Cushing stuff in episode IV, not to mention Alec Guiness and so on. Plus I don't think there will be any child actors in this film and on that basis it's already a better film.
Lee could be...... by Lightwave7871	Jun 19th, 2000 02:38:25 AM
Exar Kun, the oft mentioned leader/founder of the Sith movement who has been alluded to in several different books & comics (including the Jedi Academy trilogy and the Dark Horse Tales of the Jedi comics) Of course I could be talking out the top of my Jedi Robe :)
Cooler things do not exist by Boomingranny	Jun 19th, 2000 02:53:55 AM
No really...They don't. Hope its true.
BANE by Moose&Squirrel	Jun 19th, 2000 03:00:25 AM
We've heard that this movie will have many flashbacks, Maybe Lucas will show the origin of the Sith (the real origin, not that fake-ass comic version) and he will in fact be playing Darth Bane, the ultimate Dark Lord. This is much more exciting then seeing that trick-ass mark Boba Fett actually do something...
Hey its Christopher Lee by Brian DePalma	Jun 19th, 2000 03:06:22 AM
If they used him for anything other than a creepy role it would be a wasted opportunity to utilise the master of creepiness.
Lee wil be wasted just as Stamp was by jamie	Jun 19th, 2000 03:19:55 AM
I'm afraid this casting means nothing. When I found that Terence Stamp was in Ep. 1 I was so excited - the man who's played everything from the Limey to General Zod. But he was utterly wasted in the film, looking awkward as he delivered dull as ditchwater lines to a bluescreen. (He never actually met Natalie Portman.) Let's hope, but the fact is that Lee will probably be wasted in the same way. In fact, every actor was wasted, from Sman Jackson and Brian Blessed to Pernilla August and, you know, the guy from Withnail. Nowadays, Lucas makes all actors look as if they can't act. So don't get too thrilled by this news.
The Hammer strikes back?? by The Equalizer	Jun 19th, 2000 03:25:36 AM
I love it. Let's see how many ex-Hammer actors we can get for Star Wars. All of them are great actors, even though most of them are now dead (undead?). All we need now are Ingrid Pitt and that finest of all British actors: Bernard Cribbins!!!
Star Wars casting by Scooter_B	Jun 19th, 2000 03:45:24 AM
Christopher Lee is cool and all, but why ins't Sean Bean in Episode 2 or 3? He would be a cool hero or villain. Hell, he is just plain cool.
I know who Christopher Lee will play... by knox21	Jun 19th, 2000 03:48:47 AM
...DARTH GEEZER! The ancient Sith Lord who's Dark Force powers include, telekenetic Ben-Gay application, finding a good, low-priced, buffet anywhere in the galaxy, and an ability to bore Jedi's to death with his stories from "the good ol' days".
Congrats to Harry! by OzymandiasEurope	Jun 19th, 2000 03:59:28 AM
Don't normally have time to talk back but I think this one deserves special praise and congratulations to Harry for having the complete left field scoop on this one a week or more before the legit media. But then again that's why we all come here anyway isn't it????? Cya, Ozymandias - Dublin, Ireland ozymandias@ireland.com
Darth Bum says... by Darth_Bum	Jun 19th, 2000 04:00:45 AM
Christopher Lee would be completly wasted, unless of course he was cast as that shadowy, mysterious warrior of the Sith...Darth Bum. And they'll never call it The Phantom Menace. And England beat Germany 1-0 on Saturday, and Darth Bum subsequently disregarded his Dark Side mystique for a few minutes, so he could jump in the fountain at Traflagar Square.
THE IRON GIANT AT-AT by Todd	Jun 19th, 2000 04:06:47 AM
When Hogarth tossed a rock into THE IRON GIANT's mouth, we realized that THE GIANT was hollow. In The Empire Strikes back, we see AT-AT's to be large mechanical transports that use giant robotic legs as an effective mode of locomotion. It is my belief that the origins of THE IRON GIANT are Imperial. In The Phantom Menace we see three of ET
EXCERPTS FROM THE JOURNAL OF BRIAN DePALMA part 213 by Brian DePalma	Jun 19th, 2000 04:38:17 AM
"I see in the press there is a lot of speculation over George's (a beard gone bad) next movie, I believe it's going to be another one of those Flash Gordon thing that he's getting rich off of. You know I had a point before I started dear journal but now I'm so mad I have to sit down for a while."
CG Christopher Lee by Pippins_Diamond	Jun 19th, 2000 05:04:41 AM
This is great news, but I hope Lucas shoots all his scenes ASAP, or else I fear we might be in for a fully computer generated version of Mr. Lee.
Latest Christopher Lee Scoop: by goatb0y	Jun 19th, 2000 05:10:27 AM
Whatever happened to the news about the dark Sith assassin? Guess we'll just let that one go... ***** My cousin's friend who supplied me with the X-MEN sequel scoop is also a manual laborer on Skywalker Ranch. While taking a piss behind one of the many... uh... barns, I guess, he overheard Lucas telling his trusted concept artist Iain McCaig (in said barn) about the character that Lee will be playing. In confidence, he told McCaig that he intends to introduce the darkest of all Sith, a terror to the galaxy, the first Sith vampire: DARTH VLAD. My source would have recorded more, but his urine stream crossed over one of the ranch's many electrical fences, thus bringing an abrupt end to yet another intriguing "news leak." I'll supply updates as more news comes trickling in...
uk papers by hotdog	Jun 19th, 2000 05:20:29 AM
calm down - the mirror, especially the sunday mirror prob just took it off your site, and added made up words - they had prince william feature speculating he was gay - hey come to think of it the mirror is all true. where the hell is official casting press release as promised. hoping temura morrisson rumour is true - a real bad assed sith/mandolarian.
Darth Bane will be in Episode 2! by Blair_jedi	Jun 19th, 2000 05:58:52 AM
It makes sense, doesn't it? Why else would Lucas hire such an accomplished actor? Darth Bane is essentially the connection between the old Sith cult and the new Dark Jedi. Darth Bane was the one who decided on the Master-Apprenctice idea, I think. Exar Kun may have been the first to have an apprentice, but wasn't Bane the one to put it into practice? Whose to say Bane wasn't the father of Sidious. So much is unknown about this guy...
What!? The Iron Giant is an AT AT? by jetset-jimbo	Jun 19th, 2000 07:23:53 AM
I've gotta say, I think that's kinda tenuous. Oh, and Christopher Lee will undoubtedly suck. Lucas has just lost the ability to get decent performances out of anyone. How was it possible for him to put Ewan McGregor, Sam Jackson, Terence Stamp and Liam Neeson together in a movie and still get a really hammy, wooden bunch of performances? Has anyone else seen Dracula AD 1972? It proves that Lee can suck, and if he can suck then you can be sure that Lucas will make sure he does suck. I don't want to be too negative about Ep. 2, but I think that getting our hopes up is gonna be really dangerous.
So, Jetset, because Stamp was underused in Ep 1, that means that by Reverend Dave	Jun 19th, 2000 07:51:40 AM
Is that your point? Because it seems to me that regardless of how Ep 1 did or didn't suck, Ep 2 is a chance to set a bunch of things right. Christopher Lee is a character actor, and I'm positive that Ep 2 will have a character for him to play to the hilt. Peace.
DAMN MY EYES!! NOOOOOO!! Re: The Harry Gif by PORKY	Jun 19th, 2000 07:58:51 AM
Harry, you big, fat, beautiful bastard! You never cease to amaze me...
The British press and other fantasy authors... by Charlie & Tex	Jun 19th, 2000 08:18:20 AM
Take whatever has been reported by the British press with a pinch of salt. We speak with some degree of experience, as we recently finished a course at the London School of Journalism. When a quote comes from "an insider", this invariably means it is from somebody who works for the publication who has a little knowledge on the subject. It may be journalistic masturbation, but in the unlikely event that the quote is right, then the "ancient & evil" Jedi could be Darth Bane. He may take the form of a malevolent spirit who influences one of the characters. Perhaps Darth Bane is the same malevolent Irish pixie that tells Ralph Wiggum to burn things...
What's wrong with Star Wars. by Redwood	Jun 19th, 2000 08:27:45 AM
This is why I do not like computer animation: Some may say it looks very realistic. These people are obviously misguided. With the exception of the stuff used in Forrest Gump, it doesn't look realistic: it looks cool. There is a difference between realistic and cool. And it has been present ever since special effects were first used. In Ray Harryhausen days, what with Mighty Joe Young and Attack of the Giant Tarantulas and all the great flicks you watch with Servo and Crow, people watched these movies and said to their friends or girlfriends stting next to them, 'Wow, that looks cool!' Actually, they probably said 'swell!' or 'hot dog!', but that's beside the point. Rarely did anyone ever think that it looked truly real. They knew they were being fooled- most knew a giant ape wasn't on top of a NYC skyscraper- they just didn't know how they did it. Today, people do the same thing. You watch all these special effects movies from Star Wars to The Haunting to Pitch Black and say, 'Wow, that was a cool alien!' or something similar- just like in cinematic days gone by. The difference today is, you know how they did it. Everyone does. If you see something amazing on the screen, you might think it looks cool, but there's no mystery behind it: it was obviously done by computers. Some of you might think that's O.K. You might be the type you laughs at all the 'primitive' special effects done in the 70s or 80s. But to me, those are the king I like, for this reason. I'll take the ghosts in Ghostbusters for my example. You know that a lot of them looked really fake- cool, the average 1986-er would've said- and it was obvious they were puppets. Many say that CGI would've made it cooler. But here's the reason I prefer ghost puppets to ghost CGI-when you watch the movie, you KNOW that the ghosts actually existed in our physical world. You might not know HOW it was done, but at least you can handle the notion that, sitting in some dark warehouse in Hollywood, sits that cheesy purple ghost puppet. For the same reason, you KNOW that the DeLorean time machine was really used, be it a miniature or the real deal. The fact is, non-CGI effects have a more textured, home-made quality to them- you can see that people tooled with them, put their hands on them, stuck their fingers in the nooks and crannys, painstakingly painted them to a shiny gloss. You KNOW that at one time or the other, these things really existed in the physical world. But with CG effects, they seem to have an empty... marshmallowy fluff in their center. You know that it's not really there, that it's just percolating on someone's hard drive somewhere- it's just a bunch of 1's and 0's. People might have worked equally hard on a CG effect as a non-CG effect, but it just doesn't have that same quality, that same payoff when you see a really good effect and you don't know how the heck they did it. Watch 2001. It still blows my mind to this day. So in conclusion, give me the wooden sets and the flying wires in the next Star Wars flick, and then you can use all the CG effects you want it the third. Wouldn't that be cool (there it is again- cool) if the middle film of the trilogy returned to its roots with all miniatures and matte paintings (holy geez, did you see sleepy hollow? There were some REAL hand-built sets and mattes), and then converted back to good 'ol computers for the third? I'd pay my 8.50 to see that. Let me know what you guys think, I'm interested (although I bet some big burly guys from ILM and the Ranch will be showing up at my door, and the next week I'll probably die of some mysterious stroke. (watched conspiracy theory?)). Oh, and watch JP and JP2 consecutively, you'll see the quality difference between the dino puppets and the CG's. Peace out. -Redwood, who liked THE HAUNTING.
Just say..... by lappdup	Jun 19th, 2000 09:38:36 AM
There is only one thing that needs to be said in any argument about using "real" puppets instead of CGI ones......Jabba The Hutt. I'm sorry, but in Ep1 & A New Hope:Special Edition he looked like a.....like a......like a bloody fake computer graphic! How come he was the most fake looking thing in Ep1?? And yes, I know the added scene in Ep4 adds "atmosphere" but it also don't look as amazingly real as the absoloutly stunning "puppet" (if you can call such a creation a puppet) in Jedi. Lets be fair...that rocked. Jabba looked so real...oh well. Um....ok back to the point. Christopher Lee will be great in Ep2, no matter who he plays. He is a brilliant "old school" actor...so even if George has lost the ability to get decent performances from his actors I don't think the man who brought Count Dracul (no thats not a spelling mistake) to life should be able to still manage a decent performance. And will people please lay off of Ep1! Yes it didn't live up to the hype. yes Jar Jar was annoying (but most of you probably chuckled at his antics during the end battle of the film...or at some other point)Yes some of the acting seemed wooden at the first viewing but above all of that.....It's a New Star Wars movie!! Did any of you who can remember seeing the original Star Wars movies in the cinema actually think that it could beat those films for shear enjoyment and pleasure????? Please... Nothing could of equalled the feelings generated by those films...EVER! Even if Ep1 had been an out of this world film then people would still of said that it wasn't as good as....do ya get me point? Good. Lets just all sit back, lay off of the slagging off of a film we all enjoyed (and if you didn't enjoy Ep1 you are weird...or dead....or maybe possibly both)and Ep2 which we haven't even seen yet!! Give it a chance at least! Sorry about the length of this post but sometimes you have to get something off of your chest, ya know? Laters all..
DOH! by lappdup	Jun 19th, 2000 09:42:49 AM
I would just like to say that when I said "I don't think the man who brought Count Dracul (no thats not a spelling mistake) to life should be able to still manage a decent performance"....I actually meant "I DO think...etc etc". ;oD
Casting Christopher Lee by DOLLY	Jun 19th, 2000 10:37:00 AM
What next...Barbara Steele? Hmnn....not a bad idea. Imagine what music those two could make.
I'll tell ya when I'll get hyped about Episode 2 by Cereal Killer	Jun 19th, 2000 10:42:08 AM
I refuse to get excited about the next two "Star Wars" films until AFTER they come out. I'll be there on opening day but I'm gonna treat them like any other movie. IF they turn out to be great then I'll get excited and tell everyone I know that the crapfest known as "Phantom Menace" was a fluke and that the magic of "Star Wars" is back. Before then Episode 2 is just another movie. This way I can't have my hopes dashed like they were for George's last magnum shittus (or would that be shittus opus?). I suggest the rest of you fanboys adopt the same attitude.
And dude, that new animated Harry GIF, the "Fast Times" one, is by Cereal Killer	Jun 19th, 2000 10:44:27 AM
...it looks entirely too much like my brother.
Re: Scooter B by Sir Mordred	Jun 19th, 2000 10:52:10 AM
Sean Bean should be in any movie that has a chance at being good, cause he's just so cool.
So, when will the movie be about Anakin, Obi-Wan and Amidala? by superninja	Jun 19th, 2000 11:05:41 AM
All I know, is this cast is getting more monstrous on what seems like a weekly basis. Oh well...those characters aren't THAT important anyway.
Redwood, I totally agree with you. by superninja	Jun 19th, 2000 11:12:35 AM
I find the Harryhausen-style effects to be infinitly more spooky than anything from The Haunting or the House on Haunted Hill, with their CGI "demons". Tangible. That's the word you're looking for. The effects in the OT are tangible, whereas they are hollow (as you said) in TPM. Maybe someday CGI will be at that point -- seamless and believeable -- but it isn't now. Not to mention that real substance adds almost some kind of soul to the character. Yoda vs Jar Jar, I mean come on! There's no comparison.
Blair_jedi...what do you think about the posibility of a FLASHBA by superninja	Jun 19th, 2000 11:27:52 AM
I really think there will be only two sith in the present -- master and apprentice. But perhaps Bane will be there to give us a little more background on the history of the sith in a flashback?
Master and Apprentice by WiccanPaladin	Jun 19th, 2000 11:36:24 AM
Has anyone else noticed that it was Darth Vader, NOT the emperor, who was Dark Lord of the Sith in the first three movies. That made something occur to me. Maybe the Phantom Menace is Sidious, because he isn't REAL! Or at least, not really a Sith. Maybe Palpatine was just a Force-dabbler who managed to hook into something larger going on for his own benefit? Perhaps we haven't seen Maul's real master yet, and that is Lee's character.
Lie, Damn Lies and the UK press by Hopkirk	Jun 19th, 2000 11:46:31 AM
Charlie&Tex are bang on. The showbiz columns in the UK press are complete fiction. Here's how it works. The journalist, desperate to fill up the column inches will take an established rumour or fact from the internet. (Christopher Lee's casting, in this case) They will then state a fact as some sort of revelation, when actually it is pretty obvious (Christopher Lee's role will be an old guy...and creepy) They will then just make something, with no basis in anything (He'll be a dark jedi and will be in Episodes 2 & 3) This works with virtually every UK press rumour you can find, ranging from Harry Potter to LoTR. The UK press simply DO NOT have anyone in any sort of inside capacity in Hollywood - and must rely on the internet (such as this site), official Hollywood sites and their own imagination. How do I know this? I know someone who worked for a short time as an apprentice in such a tabloid showbiz page and the above pretty much approximates what they were told to do, when they lacked any scandelous gossip for the showbiz pages.
The Noise of Life by Memento-Mori	Jun 19th, 2000 12:27:29 PM
An animator friend of mine calls it the "Noise of Life," that undefinable "something" that brings an animated character to life. The reason that CGI is never as "real" as a puppet is that the "Noise of Life" is completely fabricated. If you use a physical object, weird random stuff can happen -- the smoke from the fog machine can wrap around it, obscuring it...or a stray gust of air can move the puppet's hair a certain way. Yes, you can do that with CGI but the difference is that it's all planned. You have to program in everything that would happen naturally and accidentally to a real-life object -- and programming by its very nature is antithetical to the Noise of Life.
WiccanPaladin...that's one of the best theories I've heard yet. by superninja	Jun 19th, 2000 12:32:27 PM
Wouldn't be interesting if he were manipulating BOTH the jedi AND the sith? That would make him kind of this strange anomaly in the Force. But, Sideous does use the Dark Side, and I believe he is referred to as Sith Lord Sideous at some point in the novelization. Still, good idea.
I like that, Memento-Mori by superninja	Jun 19th, 2000 12:38:27 PM
The "Noise of Life". Almost sounds like of mystical. Like something called "The Force" used to be. Heheheh...
Lee has another ten years in him yet by gingeracrockford	Jun 19th, 2000 12:54:11 PM
Jesus what is everyone woorying about.Did you see how active he was in Gormenghast?He may have looked like a freshly exhumed corpse but he did a cool fight scene with Richard Griffiths (who should also be in this film as Jabba the Hutt's dad)I bet you that Christopher Lee does not die before 2005 (when ep. 3 comes out)No worries.And I would like to see more of Brian Blessed and Terence Stamp in Episode two if possible.And I liked the Christopher Walken rumour too (and Robert Carlyle- hell this is becoming a haven for ex Bond baddies)
Christopher Lee / Celia Imrie by replicant	Jun 19th, 2000 12:55:18 PM
Both now appearing in the BBC fantasy Gormenghast. Maybe this is how the introduction to Lucas came about.
Palpy Seducer by Mr Lucas	Jun 19th, 2000 12:58:09 PM
Greetings Harry... ....regarding Palpatine/Sidious thing... well maybe Palpatine is Sidious, but I don't know. I think that somehow Palpy is seduced by force lighting or whatelse (remember the ep2palpy standing in a dark room with hodded people pointing at him-rumor??...) to the force and "really" dark side and eventually becomes the Emperor , and that seducer is Lee...he somehow transforms he's evil spirit to Palpy...and old palpy goes from greedy, corrupt and powerhungry to pure evil dude (in ep1 palpy didn't showed any interest in the force)... tata the Emperor Palpatine..and a little bit of old spooky Lee!!!
Who the hell is this Christopher Lee you're all talking about? by THE TALL MAN	Jun 19th, 2000 12:59:33 PM
Heh heh. Just kidding. Let's knock on wood and hope for the best. The potential cool factor is readily there, but if anybody can make him suck, Lucas is the man.
Is anyone else seeing a pattern? by mephisto666	Jun 19th, 2000 01:24:24 PM
Chris Walken, Chris Lee... Let's hope he doesn't suddenly decide to cast Chris de Burg eh? 'The Jedi in Red, is dancing with me....'
Lee/Walken mixup? by KingMenthol	Jun 19th, 2000 01:39:53 PM
Is it possible that Harry's long ago "confirmation" that Christopher Walken would be in SW2 was perhaps a mixup, and Lee was actually the correct casting? Or will both be in it? I'm getting tired of all this damn speculation. Let's get the lead out and get the word from the boys at the Ranch!
by WiccanPaladin	Jun 19th, 2000 01:46:10 PM
Right, superninja - Sideous is referred to as a Sith Lord, not Palpatine. And it doesn't much matter if he's supposedly a "Sith Lord" if he's completely an alias. I've been pretty sure since I first saw Ep I that Palpatine, acting as Chancellor, will turn Anakin to the Dark Side by getting him to do bad things that are presented to him as being for the good of the Jedi and the Republic, and then revealing the true nature of those missions to him at the appropriate time. Like perhaps when Anakin gets pissed with the Jedi for his mom's death, or during his jealousy when Amidala leaves him because she's afraid of him only to run to the man she was going to marry before (Bail Organa). And if I'm right about that, your idea that Palpatine is playing the Jedi and the Sith off against each other would be dead on the money. Thanks for the compliment, btw. :) Harry, I love your forums, but can anything be done to allow us to have some formatting? Maybe look into Slashcode? Thanks.
InSideous, like root beer by WiccanPaladin	Jun 19th, 2000 01:50:48 PM
Right, superninja - Sideous is referred to as a Sith Lord, not Palpatine. And it doesn't much matter if he's supposedly a "Sith Lord" if he's completely an alias. I've been pretty sure since I first saw Ep I that Palpatine, acting as Chancellor, will turn Anakin to the Dark Side by getting him to do bad things that are presented to him as being for the good of the Jedi and the Republic, and then revealing the true nature of those missions to him at the appropriate time. Like perhaps when Anakin gets pissed with the Jedi for his mom's death, or during his jealousy when Amidala leaves him because she's afraid of him only to run to the man she was going to marry before (Bail Organa). And if I'm right about that, your idea that Palpatine is playing the Jedi and the Sith off against each other would be dead on the money. Thanks for the compliment, btw. :) Harry, I love your forums, but can anything be done to allow us to have some formatting? Maybe look into Slashcode? Thanks.
double post by WiccanPaladin	Jun 19th, 2000 01:52:59 PM
Sorry about the double post. I was testing to see if I could "trick" the board into doing the formatting I wanted. Nope. ;-)
"But Which Was Destroyed, the Master or the Apprentice?" by Drath	Jun 19th, 2000 02:31:45 PM
Ah hah! I've got it! Palpatine/Darth Sidious really IS the apprentice afterall! His master is Chris Lee, and Darth Maul was a secret weapon! Palpatine is breaking the rules that Yoda said, and repeating Sith history by having more than just two Sith. And this will be how he destroys the Jedi . . . there are only supposed to be two, but there are really more and nobody realizes it! Hmmm, maybe I should let sleeping dogs lie and not add to this theory.
Christopher Lee going out in a blaze of glory. by goatb0y	Jun 19th, 2000 02:32:07 PM
Personally, I think Lucas is following the advice of the late Bill Hicks by deciding to use terminally ill people as actor/stunt doubles. Quoting Bill: "You know what I think cruel is? Leaving your loved ones to die in some sterile hospital room, surrounded by strangers... do you want your grandmother dying like some little bird in a hospital room, her transluscent skin so thin you can see her last heartbeat work its way down her blue veins?... Or do you want her to meet CHUCK NORRIS?" This being a quote from the 80's, replace "Chuck Norris" with a bad mofo like Sam Jackson, and it all makes sense. Christopher Lee is going to go out in the coolest way possible, and no CG effects are going to top this.
Star Wars seems to be missing something... by Znosaro	Jun 19th, 2000 02:36:22 PM
Oh wait... I remember. Have we cast a British bad guy yet? Comon, we have to, right? Part of our great American Conspiracy to conquer the world by maligning the UK in film. Of all the people on earth, in shattered Kosovo, in war-torn Congo, in violent Chechnya, NO ONE has it worse than the British. I mean... being consistently portrayed (or so we are told) as "bad" in the movies... could there be a worse fate? I'm going to go cry now, and mourn about when grand ol' Brittania ruled the waves and all.
peter cushing!! by bigbenkenobi	Jun 19th, 2000 03:12:52 PM
remember everyone that peter cushing was in star wars as grand moff tarkin! this only makes sense!lee and cushing were in many horror films together. i think that lucas is just a big fan. aaaaHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!i just saw harry take off a bikini top!nasty!!don`t look up to your right!!!!my eyes!damn you!
Palpatine....sith lord? by scubaG	Jun 19th, 2000 04:45:12 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else remember Tarkin saying that Vader was the last of his religion. Wouldn't he know if Palpatine was Sith? Yes, I remember the Emporer's abilities in ROTJ. What I'm thinking is simply this....Lucas had no clue about the sith when he made the first 2 films. Vader's title as lord was simply a political title much like a British lord's. Remember Tarkin ordered Vader around, he was not second in comand, just a henchman. Lucas has just relied on everyone else to write the history for him. By saying that he had written everything previously doesn't mean anything....he already has shown he's willing to abandon continuity. It's stupid to think he wouldn't take from the novels/comics whatever he wanted and disregard the rest. Anyone thinking that Lucas knew what the history was need only look at the book showing the sketches for various characters in ep1. Qui Jon was supposed to be the apprentice to Obi-won. As we all know this idea was abandoned. As far as Palpatine is concerned....Lucas already made him sith, but why does there just have to be two.....yeah, I read the book too and I know what it says, but in the movie (ie the story Bible) only Yoda says there are always 2. How does he know this? Earlier in the movie they say the sith have been gone for thousands of years...during that time couldn't there have been a change in the sith philosophy to train more than one. I guess my point is do we really know anything.....Lucas has shown us...we don't and niether does he.
Stay in Sherwood Forest Chris! by ALAMO	Jun 19th, 2000 04:59:30 PM
Christopher Lee would be better off reprising his occasional role in the syndicated TV series THE NEW ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD.At least this contains proper swordfight sequences and not acrobats waving silly CGI torches at each other like in STAR BORES.
"An Ancient & Evil Jedi Knight..." by Otter	Jun 19th, 2000 05:09:07 PM
Thank you, George Lucas, for restoring Christopher Lee to the throne he's been long missing from.
MalwynOY2k.... by goatb0y	Jun 19th, 2000 05:13:17 PM
I know my barnyard animal impressions, and that ain't no cow.
Turning to religion........ by RobinP	Jun 19th, 2000 05:45:51 PM
.......please God.....please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please.....let this NOT suck ! Now then, true to the usual inept press, we have conflicting reports.....old Jedi Knight says one....."a real spooky role" says another......so, I guess we're going for a spooky old jedi ? Wow ? Are there such things ? Well, I guess that Obi-Wan's habit of getting even longer winded after going belly up was pretty spooky. Lee would've made a better spooky old Sith, though......Lee as Palpatine would've really rocked if anybody'd thought about it sooner.
THIS IS THE BEST NEWS SINCE CASTING EWAN!!!!!!!! by frenchie	Jun 19th, 2000 06:08:51 PM
This is JUST GREAT!
HOWARD STERN RULES FUCK MANCOW!!!! by Burger-Pimp	Jun 19th, 2000 06:11:21 PM
HOWARD STERN IS THE KING OF ALL MEDIA!!! MANCOW SUCKS WORSE THAN JENNA JAMESON. WORD. PEACE OUT IM OUTTY!!
If you like Lee by summerisle	Jun 19th, 2000 07:47:38 PM
For more Christopher Lee news, check out my Lee website: http://members.home.net/jrmagg /welcome.html
Ba-ba-booie and Jackie the Jokeman in Star Wars Ep. 2 by Tall_Boy	Jun 19th, 2000 10:39:54 PM
And High-Pitched Eric as a Sith Lord.
cool but what we really need is IRVIN BACK!!! by ThaSurgeon	Jun 20th, 2000 07:15:32 AM
GEORGE IF U R READING THIS (HAH) PLZ REMOVE URSELF FROM EP2 AND BRING BACK IRVIN KIRSHNER BECAUSE U SUCK AND R AN INSULT TO DIRECTORS EVERYWHERE.
A Musical ! by Darth Brooks	Jun 20th, 2000 07:34:01 AM
George has absolutely lost it. There is no one to yell "STOP!" at his idiocies. No Leigh Brackett or Larry Kasdan to write a moving story. No Irv Kershner to move a plot from point A to B to C, then back to B. Instead, George goes back to his twenty-somethings and rewrites his old, fresh stuff with pap and CGI. He will waste Christopher Lee the way he wasted Councillor Zod. And all his kiss-ass yes-men at the Ranch will only ask "How tall do you want those wookie toys, Mr. L?" -------- Another 2-hour Muppet show. Maybe Jar-Jar will get a singing part this time.
Borrowing from Timothy Zahn's books? by LordUndertheMtn	Jun 20th, 2000 10:02:37 AM
Perhaps they are casting him as Jorus C'baoth(sp), the mad, overly cloned jedi (before he was cloned of course) from the book "Heir to the Empire"? It was just a thought...I don't pretend to speculate on Lucas' use of novels outside the trilogy, but it might be cool to see.
mystical arse by liamk	Jun 20th, 2000 11:30:30 AM
you guys haven't learnt anything from ep1!! lucas is making kids' adventure movies first and foremost, just as the original star wars was. ep 2 is not going to have all this mythic crap from the novels because the film is going to be aimed at the under-12s and the books were aimed at teenage fantasy\SF geeks
AICN by DumDum	Jun 20th, 2000 04:01:29 PM
AICN=crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap crap Harry=fool fool fool fool fool fool fool fool fool fool I think I'll stay with theForce.net and FilmForce.net because they are...well...real sites. Harry...please...go ahead with your threat to not cover Star Wars anymore...because you're very bad at it. Ban me now please... Hahahaha...losers
AICN - last post by DumDum	Jun 20th, 2000 04:07:51 PM
Hey sorry bout that last post...my stupid idiot friend that would be funny...he's been belted in the head...
exar kun by dionysus	Jun 20th, 2000 07:19:24 PM
I seem to remember running accross something in the books about exar kun being responcible for vaders turn towards the dark side.
Ep II crap... Ep III best by tylerdurden	Jun 21st, 2000 03:24:39 AM
If you guys don't mind, Chris Lee's already out.. Let me explain : in EpII, it's a love story between Anakin and Amidala...pretty boring. In ep III, we will find out how Anakin becomes darth Vader, much more interesting Episode . Unfortunately, Chris Lee won't have the force to play in a movie planned for 2005 ...perhaps he will, but I say Ep III will be better . And, what's all that about Chris Walken ? And, who's Anakin in Ep II ? Leo Dicaprio or not ? will be there today for all answers... PS : I saw "Dogma" last night, it's big, big, big shit
I managed to see the subject of your message, by tylerdurden	Jun 21st, 2000 04:29:27 AM
...but not the actual message ! Where is it ? What are your answers to all my questions ? Tyler
Got it ! by tylerdurden	Jun 21st, 2000 07:37:41 AM
Understood, Ol' boy ! When I get problems, I'll give you a call . But I still haven't got your opinion on Dogma, oh god, that's shit.
Off-topic: Will Darth Maul return? by remesq	Jun 22nd, 2000 09:59:51 AM
Ok, no flames for being somewhat off topic, but hey, at least I am talking about Star Wars, and not only that, but the only cool thing about Episode I. I read a week or two ago (probably on DR) that Ray Parks may have signed up for II and III. Cool. Speculation is that he will play another Darth "x" character. I say "BUNK!" Why not just keep playing Darth Maul. How? Come on, if you are a true Star Wars fan you know how!!! Clone Him!!! Okay, we know that in IV Leia mentioned to Obi Wan that he previously helped out her father with the Clone Wars. And anyone who read Zahn's books knows more about the Cloning Machines. It makes sense that if II and III delve into the Clone Wars thing, that Darth Maul could easily have been cloned. Come on, if it hasn't been discussed already, you know its plausible. Either the Darth Maul killed in I was a clone, and the original will re-appear in II and III; or the real one died in I and a Darth Maul clone will appear in II (and maybe III). Darth Maul is the "Darth Vader" for these new Star Wars episodes, admit it. Of course, this will only be true until Anakin turns, gets mauled (no pun intended) by the Emporer, and becomes Vader. I'm giddy with anticipation. Don't flame me, I just fucking love Star Wars.
Lucas and his merchandising... by tylerdurden	Jun 22nd, 2000 10:28:33 AM
I think Lucas goes too far with all that ; what I mean is, if it's not even important to lose an actor on the shoot, what's the point of using actors ? Why Lucas doesn't make his films with computers, he seems to get on so well with them ! I mean, only with computers . On the Dogma front, I agree that the two actors that play the fake prophets (is that right ?) are indeed very funny...
Unknown!!!??? by darthbrad	Jun 22nd, 2000 01:10:40 PM
I think this finally puts to rest the belief that Lucas uses just unknown actors. Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen notwithstanding. Original Trilogy: Carrie Fisher- Everybody knew her as Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher's daughter. Harrison Ford- Already well established character actor. Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing- Unknown? Excuse Me? Liam Neeson- Shindler's List anyone? Rob Roy? Need I go on? Ewan McGreggor- what can I say? Sam Jackson- The name says it all. Now we have Christopher Lee and God knows who else on board for II and III. Unknowns? I havent seen this star studded a cast since Gettysburg. Well I guess Ill have to concede the facts of Jake Lloyd (unknown save for Jingle All the Way, but still worthless) and Natalie Portman (the greatest discovery since Janet Leigh) This kid will go far I guarentee it. The only unknown to come out of SW to really succeed.
Obi-Wan Kenobi is Chinese by LookAtMe!	Oct 21st, 2000 05:25:07 AM
Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. Ray: The stormtroopers were NOT supossed to be Jedi's you numbnuts. Not everyone with a lightsaber is a Jedi. Sender: False, George Lucas believes that anyone in his Star Wars films who fights with a lightsaber is because they have extraordinary skill, power, and elegance as opposed to those that use blasters. Stormtroopers used blasters but they were initially drawn with lightsabers and that is very subjective. They could have been a Jedi's match (being able to fight with one entails particular training), per se, but because they finally became analagous with blasters shows that they have less skill, power, and elegance as opposed to Jedi's. All I was saying was those having extraordinary skill, power, and elegance were characters free of a predetermined look. And even if Jedi's were meant to be geared towards a Japanese look (entailing that it was predetermined), than obviously those that believe so (including George Lucas) are falsifying what is called the "truth." The "truth" is that Jedi's look Chinese in origin. I call it as I see them. Ray: Then you say "Darth vader is definitely samurai like with his helmet so i am not racist." Sender: That is the truth. In fact, Darth Vader was supposed to have a completely samurai looking helmet with a cloth as a face mask but because Ralph said that Star Wars is futuristic, Lucas thought the technological face mask was a brilliant idea. Ray: Then you say : "Furthermore, the new obi design far surpasses the old one making him look a lot more sleeker, faster, and daring in design" Geee, would that be because he is YOUNGER now?...Young people and Old people dress differently you know, but still his Costume is practically unchanged. Sender: You are only catering to what I have been saying all along. Hell, Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps as near as Obi-Wan Kenobi's age when he was in A New Hope. However, he wore the same costume design Obi did in The Phantom Menace and he looks just as sleek, fast, and daring as Obi. However, Qui-Gon may have looked fast but he wasn't. On the other hand, Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope for all we know died because he let it be. With his age, he had become a great master and he was probably hiding more that we can ever imagine (hell when he died, he was still appearing here and there!) but he certainly looked weak in A New Hope and that's not just because he had wrinkles on his face. His costume inside and out looked very sluggish in A New Hope than when compared to the better Chinese version in The Phantom Menace. Ray: "Wut is even more intriguing is that Ralph and Doug have been known to work closely together during the design phase and so the original Obi look had been slowly transformed to a chinese look. " Ralph McQuarrie retired from the bussiness, the only access Dough had to McQuarrie was through his paintings. Sender: No, I am pretty sure that they have become good friends and they analyze each others paintings regardless of whether or not Ralph retired (this isn't construction work). Furthermore, Doug tries to live up to Ralph's paintings through their simple presence, objectiveness, vivid colors, and realism that they convey for Star Wars which isn't too sci-fi but rather with an Earthly feel. Doug may have drawn from his Chinese culture (or Chinese culture research from a simple library) to give Star Wars a historical feel to the Jedi from Chinese origins. What Doug Chiang does not do is copy Ralph McQuarrie for his designs and for obvious reasons, this is the prequel trilogy we are talking about and from what I have seen, there has been very little continuity in terms of design in The Phantom Menace in regards to the original trilogy and I hope it remains that way. Ray: This is not about pride, it's about customs. Doug confessed he knows very little from the Chinese culture, because he is an U.S. citizen and never been to china or anything. Sender: You don't have to go there in order to be educated about such a culture or any other culture for that matter. Ray: I think it is pretty obvious you have issues against the Japanese culture, and that my friend, is what we call R-A-C-I-S-M. Sender: I am not, I simply call it as I see them. Ray: But you still say you're not racist...how about comments like these, from your previews email "DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. Sender: There is a Japanese word for such meditation when you kneel down like that. Something like Hama-kiri. Ray: Further, you said, "OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. " Sender: That is definitely true. The Japanese were strict as hell in the Shogunate days 1590-1750. They didn't wash their hair and they grew bushy beards as a sign of masculinity. I do admit that I rant but it is only for Star Wars that I do this since Star Wars is perhaps the only thing that uses a lot of historical background in its making and I can't help but feeling held back when people just falsify the truth for everyone else. I vent the truth sooner or later. Ray: Star Wars shouldn't be tainted with the subject of race. Sender: Star Wars would not be the same were it not for the history and the different cultures that numerous races have created over time. If you create something totally bizarre for Star Wars, it wouldn't look Star Wars. It would look too far-fetched like Babylon 5 or Star Trek. Ray: I am glad you are proud of being of Chinese heritage, just don't take out your shortcomings as a person with other races. Sender: You can call me a racist China-man all you want but I respect all races, cultures, and the whole human race. But it should be intrinsic for anyone to sense whether someone is just being egocentric or just telling it like it really is.
What? Obiwan is chinese and Christopher Lee is not? Why not writ by matrix_sux	May 30th, 2001 05:40:07 AM
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