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I like it 'cause I'm first by Mostholy	Apr 5th, 2000 10:55:14 AM
Otherwise, there's not much news there. I'm still ticked at B5 for having such a lousy ending, one that didn't resolve about half of the threads in the show. Ah well.
Finally! by wisegoat	Apr 5th, 2000 10:57:17 AM
It's about fucking time someone pulled their head out of their ass and put this show in a place where everyone can see them.
"Babylon 5" & "Crusade." by alex01	Apr 5th, 2000 11:27:54 AM
I'm happy to read that Sci-Fi finally has the rights to air B5. After the treatment the series and it's sequel received from TNT, I pretty much avoid that channel at all times. The question now, however, is regarding "Crusade." Will Sci-Fi attempt to get that show restarted like they did with "Sliders?" I, for one, would like to see "Crusade" continue with new episodes.
And now for this commercial break.... by westies	Apr 5th, 2000 12:06:36 PM
You know, I was really happy back when Sci-Fi bought the old Classic Star Trek series, and they promised to restore them and make them look good. And they did....sorta. What they also did was a) add about 30 minutes of total advertising garbage to an hour-long show and turn it into a one and a half hour long extravaganza with interviews (who cares) and factoids (been there, done that), and b) slice it up like a loaf of bread to accomodate all that extra garbage. The put commercials and breaks where they didn't belong, and fused breaks that used to be. The writers wrote the show a certain way, with specific crescendos and timing, and Sci-fi just mashed it together. I had bought all these blank tapes to record the show the whole series, and I stopped even trying after the second show because it was so trashed. So...are they gonna do this again? I can see that each episode is now going to be two hours long, with commercials for "Farscrape" every four minutes.... If they don't show the episodes in their entirety, and without the Veg-o-Matic treatment, forget it. Suncoast Video has the complete episodes, commercial free, and I'd rather spend the money.
DVD by Bigfoot	Apr 5th, 2000 01:20:06 PM
Any news regarding the release of B5 on DVD??
Anything that'll keep the "Babies" from whining is a darned good by Ilvenshang	Apr 5th, 2000 01:24:34 PM
but memo to Scifi Channel: please run MST3k at some time when I'm actually out of bed, ok? And if you're going to dump all those rather endearing old horror movies in the early morning Monday slot (this weekend: Dracula's Daughter, my fave!), would you mind terribly running Brides of Dracula again? Curse of the Werewolf & Phantom of the Opera have cropped at least twice in the last 12 months, but it's been nearly 16 since BOD was shown.
Hurray for the UK by Rat Instinct	Apr 5th, 2000 01:54:25 PM
At last, the UK has finally been enjoying something longer than the US. We've had B5 on SCI-FI so long we're at the end of season 5 for the second time. But fair play I've had to have my DVD player chipped so I can enjoy the proper versions of your lovely films. Don't ever come to England and watch any American film you'll only leave extremely annoyed.
The UK is miles ahead of The US, how did that happen? by Roborob	Apr 5th, 2000 02:32:47 PM
Serously, I mean how can we in the UK have B5 repeats showing on the UK Sci-Fi Channel and Channel 4 Months befoe America, It defies logic. How can we get fine Sci-Fi? This is the UK, we get lousy Sci-Fi and have to buy satelyte TV or Cable? The USA is often years ahead of us and so this news comes as a wonderful suprise.
Hey, Mostholy... by Pseudo	Apr 5th, 2000 02:36:56 PM
...I think you kind of missed what the appeal of B-5 was to many who watched it, imperfection. Of course the show ended and didn't wrap everything into a neat and tidy little bundle. I applaud the shows creators for resisting the tepmtation to pull a Star Trek "Hey we only have ten minutes to wrap EVERYTHING up!" There's too much perfection in the Trek universe, too much resolution to be truly believable. I liked the fact that B-5 existed in an imperfect universe where sometimes things were left unresolved. Kind of like life, eh? Cheers, ??Pseudo??
There is a God! by Cassius the Evil	Apr 5th, 2000 03:06:20 PM
Now, if only they'd start making Crusade again...
Great Maker! by Twisted Mentat	Apr 5th, 2000 03:37:27 PM
Well, i hope this means we'll see more crusade, and maybe another telefilm! hey..whats wrong with lexx? ok..i'm biased because a number of the people who work on the show are friends...but hey. Though i live in canada, this really dosn't help at the current time, but the trickle down effect from Sci-fi to Space here. But i really do hope this means some more crusade eps. I really want to see the one with Bester the War Criminal. the Most evil little man in the galaxy
B5 and Crusade by theTemplar	Apr 5th, 2000 03:37:35 PM
Love B5, IMHO best sci-fi series done (no, I don't want to argue about the merits of Trek vs B5 - that's IYHO). Hope they show the series at a resonable time. Hell, they could just replace Lexx - I'm for that. Farscape, Good vs. Evil, B5 - now that would be a night of TV! As for crusade, well that's the Voyager of the B5 universe. It was DOA (and I don't want to argue over the speculations surrounding that). Gary Cole and the guy who played Max really shined, but that was about it for the series. No sense of urgency (hey, lets waste time going to a lost graveyard because our technomage feels bad), and it was missing a heavy arc - that made B5 so great (and which could have made X-files great). I know, I know, B5 season one didn't have an arc yet - but you could feel it coming together. Crusade fell flat for me. Perhaps Sci-Fi could kill Lexx for a continuation series of B5 but something new (maybe even something that tied up the crusade problem), of course SciFi could replace Lexx with 60 straight minutes of commercials and no one would care. Anyway - here's hoping for the best.
Don't get happy YET by Cavewoman	Apr 5th, 2000 04:27:02 PM
I have some big reservations of Scifi Channel showing B5. As we know B5 is a complete story from one end to the other. I'm afraid they may be shown out of order. It would be ridiculous and useless if they did, but look what they're doing with Xena. Xena has quite a few story arcs..Callisto, etc, yet they don't hesitate to show the episodes in random order. I'm thrilled Sci-fi has taken B5 under it's wing, but I'm wary what will happen to it in their hands. Cavewoman
big whoop by Morpheus1	Apr 5th, 2000 04:27:29 PM
The Space Channel in Canada has been playing the entire run of B5 over and over for about a year now.... although I DO hope SciFi will push for new eps of Crusade... that show has real potential, if it only has a chance to develop.
Thank GOD!!!!!!! by DARTH PENIS	Apr 5th, 2000 04:46:17 PM
They can't get B5 off that fucking TNT fast enough. Those assholes decided to air it at 6 in the fucking morning on Saturday. First they would run 2 eps back to back which made it liveable then those bastards replaced the 2nd ep with that moronic Due South. Who actually gives a fuck about that show anyway? As for LEXX, SciFi needs to shitcan that lemon faster than TNT can fuck up a wet dream. I have honestly tried to watch this crap and give it a chance but it is just too fucking stupid to bear. Whoever created this crap must have worked for Berman at one point and needs to have his balls ripped off so he can't reproduce. Hell, they'd be better off putting the Rocky Horror Picture Show in Space. Atleast that has some comedy in it.
couldn't they have just put an ad for the psyhic hotline instead by Tall_Boy	Apr 5th, 2000 04:50:38 PM
or just have those really cool "WHAZZUP?!" ads running on a loop? It would probably get more ratings then JMS's egotrip series. (PS- I want a B5 movie cuz it'll be the biggest bomb in movie history! Yehaw!)
On cutdowns by Craig_P	Apr 5th, 2000 05:02:39 PM
Shouldn't expect cutdowns would be a problem, as this is really a very different situation from ST:TOS. TOS was cut for network TV broadcast, so it's too long for cable/syndication. The alternatives are cutting it down or (as Sci-Fi did) stretching it out. B5 has no such problem, as it was originally cut to 43 minutes (cable/syndication length).
we now do the dance of joy by MGTHEDJ	Apr 5th, 2000 05:35:02 PM
YES!! YES!! YES!! this should have been done last year instead of buying "the sentinal". for those of u who have not seen B5 yr 1 was a LOOONG set up, but it starts paying of in year 2 and y3, 4, and 5 are great(NYPD BLUE's andrea thompson's final ep is VERY INTERESTING*spoiler(will the scene be restored?)*end spoiler** now for next year they need to get at least BLAKE'S 7 if not the old doc himself. later
Lucky B5, but Crusade? by Drath	Apr 5th, 2000 05:42:17 PM
Okay, Crusade will not come back! Sure, magic happens, but this won't! It can't come back because the actors' contracts are done, they all have moved on, the sets are gone, and the ratings were slow. Not to mention its music sucked, and it showed no interest in continuing or improving upon the B5 universe, so there was no point in making it a spin-off in the first place! If Sci-Fi could get JMS to make a new series, and I doubt he would since I gather he too is moving on, I doubt he'll bother returning to Crusade. Frankly, Carrie Dorbo as Dureena, and Peter Woodward as Galen are the only two Crusade characters I want to see again, the rest just didn't happen. But we B5 fans shouldn't hope for more Crusade when more is left to see from B5(ahem Great Telepath War? Death of Bester? Freaky neck Parasite and Sheridan's son?). And replace LEXX? Are you kidding? They have Good VS. Evil and B5 now! Cancelling LEXX would be THREE GOOD THINGS AT ONCE, they can't do that!
no, no, and no by theTemplar	Apr 5th, 2000 05:48:53 PM
Dr. Who and Blakes 7? I cringe at the thought. Well, not really both were really well written shows most of the time. Blakes 7 (which apparently used the cast off props from Dr Who) would need to be redone (but how to cast Avon?) which would be ok since about 4 people in the US ever saw the damn show anyway. A continuation of Dr. Who would be cool (if done properly). I doubt Sci-fi would randomize B5 - they don't randomize Dark Shadows (which features the last remaining styrofoam graveyard in the US). Come to think of it, they could redo Dark Shadows . . . wait, someone tried that already (and it failed! Why? No styrofoam graveyard).
crusade by cohen	Apr 5th, 2000 07:28:40 PM
just out of curiosity, am I the only one that thought crusade was better than b5? (that is if you can filter out the advantage b5 has from sheer volume)I thought the premise of crusade(am i spelling that right?)was better than that of b5.
Canada Kicks Ass by fifo	Apr 5th, 2000 08:45:01 PM
Babylon 5 has been airing 5 times a week in Canada for over 2 years. Not only that, but each episode is shown THREE times a day! In Vancouver it's on daily at noon, 4pm, and midnight on the Space Channel. It's kickass.
And so it begins... by Xcalibur	Apr 5th, 2000 11:17:52 PM
Babylon 5 has been the greatest show ever. Crusade was living up to its predesesor in almost every way, telling interesting stories with interesting characters. Whoever screwed JMS over at TNT obviously had a whole in their mind, because that was the dumbest thing they could have done. Thank The Great Maker that at least one channel had the good sense to keep B5 alive. I only hope that we see further adventures of the crew of B5 and the Excalibur.
What is JMS up to now ? by BrianSLA	Apr 6th, 2000 12:43:26 AM
Thank you Sci-Fi. F TNT. But what is JMS up to now? No more B5 universe series?
Crusade failed because TNT wanted it to. by gary2012	Apr 6th, 2000 01:37:05 AM
I watched Crusade, and after the first few I got pretty bored, but then when they got into the episodes that were supposed to come first (with the old costumes) it was like watching Babylon 5 again. They were really good shows. It just shows that TNT fucked with the show which resulted in bad episodes. These were shown early on, but didn't show what JMS actually intended. I think that eventually JMS just said fuck you to their constant interferance, resulting in the cancelation before the season was even finished shooting or a single epsode had aired. I'm glad because it would have been depressing to see those good original episodes and then go back to an indefinite amount of more of the TNT version. I'm glad to have those good episodes, and sad to see what the series could have been if TNT had actually let JMS do what they apparently were willing to pay him to do rather than sticking their retarded executive heads in the way.
It's ALIIIIVE!!!! by Swithin	Apr 6th, 2000 02:04:51 AM
Yes... I even read the entire talkback because I was so elated! theTemplar, as for Blake's 7, it runs every Saturday in Seattle. GvsE sucks. SF should have passed (even though they own the rights to it) and bought Brimstone instead. Farscape, Babylon 5, Blake's 7, Dr. Who, and Brimstone... that would be a line up!
A B5 article and only one Trekkie troll? by Owatonna	Apr 6th, 2000 07:47:25 AM
That's got to be a first. Perhaps they're all so demoralised by that new Trek series news that they can't even summon up the energy to be petty, the poor things.
Letterboxed would be sooooo coooool by UberMushroom	Apr 6th, 2000 09:46:32 AM
For the true B5 cogniscenti it would be uber cool to see the series in wide-screen (letter-boxed) as it was originally filmed. Sigh, I guess I'm destined to never see it in its true glory.
thank you god, may have another by sigma957	Apr 6th, 2000 10:44:35 AM
Wish they had done it sooner, avoided the TNT debacle of canning claudia christian....might have made the last season at least on par with the others.....it was good, but a let down after season 4.
reason no one's slagging B5 beause nobody cares by Tall_Boy	Apr 6th, 2000 10:58:17 AM
look at the number of posts in here compared to the rest of the site. Rather low wouldn't you say? Frankly, the amount of Ego that JMS stuffed into the show and his relentless slagging of everyone associated (ex. "GODDAMN PARAMOUNT FOR STEALING MY IDEA! GODDAMN TNT FOR WANTING SEX ON MY CREATIVE GENIUS! THEY SHOULD ALL BE SHOT!") really just gets annoying as hell after awhile. I'd go on, but really its hard to work up enough energy over a dead-as-a-doornail franchise like B5. Here's hoping you all keep gobling up his comic books. Sheep.
WOO HOO!!! by godef	Apr 6th, 2000 11:19:47 AM
'nuff said
good stuff... I suppose by JShrubbery	Apr 6th, 2000 01:51:42 PM
this doesn't really affect me (Canadian, been getting this over 2 years now) unless they start making more Crusade! Make more Crusade! Make more Crusade! As for all those Lexx bashers, I know it's total crap (at least after they switched Xev, I don't care for the redhead). I watch it anyway just cause it was made in my home town (Halifax). Note the was, I have it on good authority that after this third season that's about to start playing up here, that's it. I'm sure you'll all be happy about it no doubt.
good stuff... I suppose by JShrubbery	Apr 6th, 2000 01:51:48 PM
this doesn't really affect me (Canadian, been getting this over 2 years now) unless they start making more Crusade! Make more Crusade! Make more Crusade! As for all those Lexx bashers, I know it's total crap (at least after they switched Xev, I don't care for the redhead). I watch it anyway just cause it was made in my home town (Halifax). Note the was, I have it on good authority that after this third season that's about to start playing up here, that's it. I'm sure you'll all be happy about it no doubt.
Well the early eps were interesting by scarpad	Apr 6th, 2000 02:02:47 PM
Alot more than the TNT influenced ones, especially the Captain and His Apocolypse Box, it was intresting how they were building up Galen's suspicion of his Captain. TNT made most of that moot.
blake's 7 was .... by MGTHEDJ	Apr 6th, 2000 02:37:32 PM
to the previous poster, BLAKE'S 7 was an HOMAGE/clone of star trek's mirror mirror universe(7 people, fastest ship in the quadrent, a transporter, gov. called the FEDERATION, and the logo was trek's turned on its side). ST:TNG then "nodded back" with the character deanna troi: based on B7's callie, the empath from another planet who could communicate with her own kind with telepathy. i want the series back on a NATIONAL channel so the uninformed will see how much BRANNON BRAGA ripped off this and other BBC series, then maybe the voyager defenders will shut up, 'cause it ain't all that. later
B5 by arodri02	Apr 6th, 2000 04:30:21 PM
This is so great..... We can't let this stop the campiagn, we have to make flyers and let people know about babylon5.. id b5 does well on the sci-fi channel then they will pick up crusades. later Adolph Rodriguez
BABYLON 5 is not THAT great by -Buff-	Apr 6th, 2000 04:47:14 PM
Hate to burst people's bubbles out there....but B5 was never THAT great to begin with. The sets SUCKED....the acting SUCKED...the comedy SUUUUCKED. When you think about it, there were really only a caouple of good things about it. The backstory/story arcs and the CGI space battles (which were too few and far between). However, there is a shortage of even half-way decent sci-fi on TV....so I am glad that the SCI-FI gave the shoe a 2nd....no wait 3rd chance. I never really watched the show that much (except when I turned the sound down and only watched the space battles). When it appeared on TNT, I did start to watch it an learned to appreciate it more....however, it was never GREAT. TNT really fucked up by giving the audience half of season 5....then 6-8 months later giving us the other half. By then, I no longer cared. IN THE BEGINNING was the only decent B5 movie....the others SUCKED ASS. You know it's true. BABYLON 5 was a good effort....but it was no SPACE: ABOVE AND BEYOND. now THAT was a show.
Buff by Owatonna	Apr 6th, 2000 06:32:04 PM
Mostly fair points. I'd quibble nonetheless, but I've got something more important to do. I have to tell you that, if you want to be taken seriously, proclaiming S:AAB as a paragon of quality is...unwise. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it...but only in the way that I enjoyed the Mortal Kombat movie.
Blake's 7 by theTemplar	Apr 7th, 2000 12:55:31 AM
Was a well written and sometimes well acted show. Unfortunately, it made Dark Shadows look high budget. I mean, why does everything in blake's 7 look like a dark room with stuff in the foreground. I think a remake of it would be a cool idea. As for the guy who doesn't like Good vs. Evil, well, the show is just brilliant! Besides, its got the black guy from Law and Order. It's like a seventies cop show with a techno soundtrack. Give the guy who thought of this an award. Space, Above and Beyond was total crap.
Trekkie troll here! by Assimiltr	Apr 9th, 2000 09:12:20 AM
lol....yes, it's me again. I have not died and fallen from the face of the earth. B5 Lives! NEW YORK (Variety) - The Sci Fi Channel has ponied up about $12 million to buy the exclusive rerun rights to Warner Bros. Cable's "Babylon 5." Warner Bros. and Sci Fi declined to discuss financial details, but industry sources say Sci Fi will pay $97,500 an hour for 120 hours, covering 112 series episodes and four two-hour "Babylon 5" movies. License term runs from September, when the series kicks off on Sci Fi nightly, through December 2003. Series, set on a space station in the year 2258, has taken an unusual distribution journey, starting in first-run TV syndication, where it aired 1993-97. TNT bought the reruns for stripping during the 1997-98 season, commissioned the four two-parters and decided to keep the series in production for an additional season as a boost to its sister company, Warner Bros. Cable. Awarded an Emmy for visual effects in 1993, "Babylon 5" was created by J. Michael Straczynski. Cast includes Bruce Boxleitner, Michael O'Hare, Richard Biggs, Andrea Thompson, Jeff Conaway, Bill Mumy, Jerry Doyle, Tracy Scoggins and Claudia Christian. And as a Trekker, I can only say... Email your thanks to program@www.scifi.com and be sure to tell them that we are hoping they will also pick up Crusade! Be sure to visit Crusade - The Quest for Life http://babylon5.acmecity.com/l urker/2/crusade.htm for further details! Assimiltr@aol.com
A response to -Buff- by godef	Apr 11th, 2000 11:44:58 AM
Actually, you said it all: "...and the CGI space battles (which were too few and far between)." and "...I never really watched the show that much (except when I turned the sound down and only watched the space battles)." Well, what can I say? You probably thought ID4 was terribly good science fiction. Ya got absolutely no depth and probably less attention span. There's nothing but air between your ears, thus that's why everything seems to suck to you, because it is the vacuum in your head that causes that sucking sound that you hear that causes you to think such mistaken things about such an excellent show. Hey, you're missing Voyager!!!

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