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MORIARTY'S REVISED RUMBLINGS FROM THE LAB #27: HELLBOY, DREAMWORKS 2000! (with Herzfeld Issue Clarified), '90s LIST!

pitch black by RipReaver	Feb 9th, 2000 11:26:03 AM
I guess this isnt the place to ask here, but whats the deal with pitch black, yes, an oh my god another horror sci-fi flick, but im hoping for a good one. man im about to get bashed for this but although event horizon failed in alot of ways, it did look good i thought and did have some pretty frigging chilling scenes, whats the deal with pitch black anyone? the premise sounds really cool. please be at least watchable and enjoyable, even if kinda campy or whatever. i dont mind a cheese movie but just not "pop" cheese. and yeah darth, i thought deep impact was pretty decent actually, there were no crappy onle liners or jar jar like attempts to garner a broader audience, it was a simple movie about a meteor coming to nuke the world, (yeah bashed again i know) and i agree,it wasnt that bad, it had more of a documentary style then the cheese fest armacheesein. i saw deep imp a couple days ago again and man, at least it was an attempt at a serious movie. so now that ive left myself wide open for aicn bashing with my admitted like for movies no one likes, again, whats the deal with pitch black. hey, while im lowering my shields, i love tron, i thought the matrix was overrated the day i saw it, and i even like ......KRULL....
Fixing The '90s List by Moriarty	Feb 9th, 2000 11:28:09 AM
I told you the resources of the Labs were still being tweaked. We will have the link fixed very soon. It's 11:15 EST right now. Keep your eyes peeled. When the new headline shows up on the main page, that's when we've got the thing working. "Moriarty" out.
On CREATOR and Herzfeld by mrbeaks	Feb 9th, 2000 12:18:04 PM
CREATOR was one of those "almost" movies. All the elements were in place: a good cast (headed by O'Toole,) an inventive script, and a director coming off a minor masterpiece (Ivan Passer had directed the great CUTTER'S WAY several years earlier.) What ended up on the screen, however, was an absolute mess. There's still a hint of something special, but it's buried in a film constantly searching for the correct tone. A real shame. As for Herzfeld..... a step forward? If you say so, Moriarty. Granted, I haven't read MEET THE PARENTS, but I did read FIFTEEN MINUTES, which was easily the most ludicrous idea for a film I've run across since JAWS: THE REVENGE. If you'd like a copy, you're more than welcome to mine. I must warn you, however, that it's been lining my cats' litter box for the last few months. Lucky for me, I just got David Koepp's SPIDERMAN draft; so, I can spare it.
Check this out !!! by Hobbs3	Feb 9th, 2000 12:31:27 PM
If you haven't already heard ( this really needs to be on the front page ) about the 3 new SW characters. Here ya go, Next 'Star Wars' Aims to Avoid Racial Stereotypes By Jonathan Bing HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - The distant galaxy where the ``Star Wars'' saga unfolds has suddenly become a lot more politically correct. Stung by charges of ethnic stereotyping in ``The Phantom Menace,'' Lucasfilm is seeking a more culturally diverse cast for the next ``Star Wars'' episode. Although George Lucas' script is far from finished, Lucasfilm casting director Robin Gurland has met with major talent agencies to outline several new roles. These include a Native American character, said to have a forceful, spiritual nature; an Indian or Hispanic character; and an Asian character, possibly trained in martial arts. Lucasfilm spokeswoman Lynn Hale told Daily Variety that since she has not seen a script for the second episode, she couldn't comment on specific roles. ``All 'Star Wars' films have international characters,'' she said. Lucasfilm was unprepared last spring for accusations that the alien races depicted in ``Phantom Menace'' reinforced racist stereotypes. Much of the criticism focused on the shuffling, patois-speaking Jar Jar Binks, whose ``simple-minded devotion to his (white) Jedi masters,'' Brent Staples wrote in the New York Times, ``reminded people of Hollywood's most offensive racial stereotypes.'' In a statement released to the press at the time, Hale said it was ``absurd'' to interpret ``Star Wars'' as ``a reference to the world that we know today.'' Nothing in ``Star Wars,'' she said, ``is racially motivated.'' While that may have been true, it has certainly given the filmmakers pause. Hale confirmed that Binks will be back in the second episode, but he'll apparently be surrounded by a panoply of characters that better reflects the franchise's vast multicultural audience. Whether these characters prove to be positive role models remains to be seen. ----------- Can you smell the cheese yet??? The next two movies is going to blow chunks. I can see it now Lucas spending large portions of the next two movies with character developement of these new P.C. characters. How can three more supporting characters be inserted into the next movie, it's crowded with characters already, lets count Anakin, Amidala, OB1 , Que-Gon, Yoda, Mace Windu, Jar-Jar ( Yuck ), r2-d2, C3-P0, Palpatine aka Sidous ?, Bail Organa, Boba Fett, the list goes on. I suppose Fett could be one of those three. anyhow this movie is most probably gonna be even worse than the last. GL should have hired a sceenwriter for this one, he's lost it.
sigh...cmon george by RipReaver	Feb 9th, 2000 01:33:14 PM
Just give us the straight ahead kickass story of anakins turn to darth vader. no politically correct justification, no assanine useless attempt at comedy in what is a dark story, no fucking muppets being stupid. man, just give us straight up star wars. i hope ep 2 isnt another confused movie....oh wait a minute, this isnt a star wars thread!!! i say again, anyone know anyhting about pitch black?
El Dorado... by Irie	Feb 9th, 2000 02:20:27 PM
...is a DOG. No disrespect to the artists meant, but Jeffery's little fingerprints on this film are DEFINETLY there--and it ain't good. The animation is vastly superior to the uneven work in Prince of Egypt --and technically it's a marvel. Still, without a compelling story or characters, it's just another bombastic Disney leftover. And the music is more than a bit distracting--and just as un-needed as all but the opening number of Prince of Egypt. Design wise, it's a mixed bag, but the character designs are much better than Prince of Egypt and CERTAINLY better than the awful and unappealing Antz (good film, OFF-PUTTING designs). Personally, I'm looking forward to Chicken Run--not only because it's a Nick Park/Ardeman Animations film, but because little Jeffrey Katzemburg had nothing to do with it.
You Lie, Moriarty! I say again, YOU LIE, DAMN YOU! YOU MANIAC... by keeper	Feb 9th, 2000 03:31:18 PM
I'll never believe another evil criminal mastermind ever again... for two weeks. Anyhow, I was just starting to look forward to EL DORADO until now. Not that I dislike musicals per se but I'm really tired of all these singing, clapping, hoe-down animated movies (except for THE JUNGLE BOOK - you can't tell me Baloo wasn't hooked on crack throughout that whole movie - and ALADDIN).
Mr. X: Del Toro DOES have other producers "beating down his door by Liz Sherman	Feb 9th, 2000 04:18:37 PM
Producers like Francis Ford Coppola ("Montecristo"), Pedro Almodovar ("The Devil's Backbone"), James Cameron (heh-heh-heh), not to mention the fact that he's got projects brewing at Disney/Touchstone ("Domu") and, I hear, New Line. Furthermore, Del Toro has _passed_ on _countless_ projects since "Mimic" (many _very_ high-profile) because he is very, very choosy. So before you go mouthing off, Mr. X, check your facts.
hellboy comix by Fuzzydog	Feb 9th, 2000 04:53:19 PM
where can i get some hellboy comics are they paper comics or hard back "graphic novels" that are like 10 bucks can i get them at borders or do i have to go to a comic store e-mail me if u can help
shadow of the vampire by bigdaddymuffla	Feb 9th, 2000 04:59:41 PM
I recently saw a TV spot for it, and it looks pretty damn cool. Excellent gothic tone and I spotted John Malkovich. Anyways... can't wait to see the Tom Green flick, i'm a big fan of the show, and I saw a behind-the-scenes thing for this movie on MTV. Generally plotless but it has several recognizable faces in it, and it looks funny (Tom eats a mouse). I heard it also has some celebrity cameos in it. Big Daddy out. ah yeah............
Hellboy Artwork by Wadeo	Feb 9th, 2000 05:12:47 PM
Is it just me or does anybody else think the artwork in the Hellboy comic sucks the big loin? I was going to pick up a copy a couple of months ago,but as soon as i opened it up to take a peek i could'nt believe the incredibly lousy artwork,i mean this stuff is flat and absoluteley no detail,uugghh! It sure seems like alot of the comics artwork has gone downhill,including Marvel and DC titles. The comics that really stand out for me are Image,Top Cow and Dark Horse,all of these have titles with awesome artwork! The Darkness,Tomb Raider,All of the Spawn titles,the Star Wars and Aliens series just to name a few. I only wish i could draw a tenth as good as these incredibly gifted artists. Now don't get me wrong not all of Marvels and DC's stuff is bad,just some.All of the Spidey titles are still pretty good,and yes ther'es definateley room for improvement in the art dept.the storylines however are excellent,man do i miss the days when Todd McFarlane was doing Spidey,those were truly awesome. And actually alot of the Batman titles are awesome in the Art and Story dept.It just seems like alot of the other titles are'nt up to snuff,both Marvel and DC. I can remember in the 70's and 80's i'd go to pick up all kinds of titles and all of the artwork was excellent,remember the Micronauts?, man that had great artwork and storyline from the first issue,another is the Punisher,i remember i was elated when he got his own title,and subsequently the two other Punisher titles,these were my favorites for a long time,man i miss him! Just thought i'd throw my two cents about this since you were talking about Hellboy,anybody agree with me on the artwork issue,let me know. Thanx, Wadeo
On the "SW" issue - what a f***ing CROCK!! by scifihead	Feb 9th, 2000 05:50:37 PM
"...These include a Native American character, said to have a forceful, spiritual nature" - Yes, of course, ALL Native Americans are forceful and spiritual - I mean, remember the one who made all of us feel guilty for littering the beach??... "...and an Asian character, possibly trained in martial arts." RIGHT, because all Asians do have SOME martial arts training. This is such a load of PI BULLSHIT!!! Instead of making it even MORE racist by bowing to the above stereotypes, why not just write a good, fucking story, George, and then cast it with the best possible actors - if some of them happen to be hispanic, asian, african-american, or american indian, GREAT! But to force the issue like that? Good God, are you a jackass or what?!?!
geez by RipReaver	Feb 9th, 2000 06:01:47 PM
Yeah right scifihead, good point! that casting call is as racist a thing as anyone could have said! the second you try to make a point like that, you ruin the integrity of your project. now george will be on a crusade to appeal to all genders, as well as children, as well as non violence, blah blah blah. fucking pitiful, cast a "spiritual" indian? a martial artist asian?! and on top of that JAR JAR will be back. what the hell happened to the fantasy story of darth vader in all this? well, my post here is seeming more nutty on this then i meant, its all bullshit anyway, who knows, there years before any of this takes shape, whatever....
Mike Mignola is a GENIUS by Charlie Oakley	Feb 9th, 2000 06:10:22 PM
That's not only my opinion but that of 90% of the comic book industry. The guy fuses the best of Kirby, Toth, Kurtzman etc into a beautifully-balanced visual style and makes it aaaall his own. Hellboy is a great comic book, an absolute gem and anyone thinking that "more lines" mean better drawings, well, to each his own- I personally think that McFarlane's drawings single-handedly lowered the bar for all pro work in this country. His toys kick ass though-
Moriarty's 90's list, Hellboy, etc... by BlueDeimos	Feb 9th, 2000 06:29:34 PM
Hey, oh Evil One, I hope you'll remember movies like CITY OF THE LOST CHILDREN, starring none other than Mr Only-I-can-be-Hellboy Ron Perlman. That guy is aawesome. Question: wasn't Scorsese (sp?) producing del Toro's "Montecristo" or was it a movie called "Mefisto's" or something like that. When is the "Hellboy" movie being shot? Is it going to look like the comic book? also, another great movie from the early 90's was THE LAST SUPPER -also starring Ron P. Did you like that movie? see ya-
Re: Wadeo by Dave_F	Feb 9th, 2000 07:27:42 PM
Mike Mignola's art is fairly stylized, so maybe it's just not to your taste, but I have to say, I think he's head-and-shoulders above all the artists you listed as favorites. Most of the artists at Image and Top Cow follow in the tradition of Jim Lee, who is quite likely one of the worst, most-overrated comic artists of the 90's. Possibly ever. Lee and his followers are terrible draftsmen. They attempt to compensate with overly done cross-hatching, large-breasted women (pose shots on every other page), and very superficial cinematic techniques. Mignola's work is far more original. He uses heavy blacks to create tone. His clean line style exudes power as only Kirby has before. Even the colorists he works with are ten times more skilled than the typical Image folks, who bathe everything in a metallic sheen and overwhelm the artwork with special effects. Like Charlie Oakley posted, detail is not a measure of quality. Mignola's forgotten more about artwork than the Todd McFarlane/Jim Lee-legions will ever learn.
Charlie Oakley is right... by Penderecki	Feb 9th, 2000 08:08:22 PM
He said everything I was going to. People who worship Image and Top Cow just don't "get" the art of Mignola, Miller, etc. They never will. Too bad.
Hey,I liked Carnosaur 3 by user id indeed!	Feb 9th, 2000 08:22:29 PM
Can't a shifty studio make a cut-and-paste puppet show out of $75,000 and a couple vats of weird-smelling plastic to try and catch up with the killer dinosaur craze for a few bucks without it being considered "poor production values"?
Hellboy comics by Tons of Fun	Feb 9th, 2000 11:19:46 PM
This is a little off subject but I didn't know where else to ask. I am a recent addition to the AICN family and a longtime reader of comics, and Hellboy has been one title I've wanted to pick up. The problem is I want to start from the beginning. I've checked out the official site for Hellboy and some other sites and they have the comics listed alphabetically, not in chronological order. Can someone out there help me out? My e-mail is snoogans@dragonbbs.com. I would really appreciate some help guys. Thanks. Tons of Fun
Mignola's art has gotten a lot worse since Seed of Destruction by Wesley Snipes	Feb 10th, 2000 12:40:51 AM
I love the stories (though Wake the Devil was disappointing) and the characters, but Mike Mignola's art has took a huge turn for the worse starting around Wake the Devil. It has become extremely abstract, distorted and the panel-to-panel work is weak. The fact that they made the borders white instead of black takes away from the art too. I used to love his work. I'd go so far to say that Seed of Destruction has the greatest comic book artwork of all time, but now, I don't even bother to buy the issues. I just wait for the graphic novel. I mean, his art has always been highly stylized of course, but if you look at Seed, it's stylized/simplified while still clearly being EXTREMELY carefully done. You can tell there's been an incredible amount of attention paid to getting the shapes right, the figures right, the details right. It's that attention to form and shape and detail that made it so fantastic. It's not the amount of lines you put in there (McFarlane - blech), but which lines you put in there. So it was this beautiful blend of simple and complex. It was like modern stylings mixed in with true, superbly-learned classical drawing technique. Now, it's still stylized, but it looks like he's just dashing off vaguely humanoid shapes, and putting in random squiggles. Just look at Hellboy's trenchcoat from his early Hellboy covers compared to current ones. The coat in the early work actually looked like a coat. The current ones look like pear shapes with crescent cuts in them! It takes away greatly from his work. His storytelling has also changed. Seed of Destruction used fewer panels, but more powerful, iconic images. Later work eschews that for many panels, perhaps to accomodate the wordiness? (veteran writer John Byrne scripted Seed; Mignola the rest) I prefer the former approach but whatever. Another issue is making the borders white instead of black. The white draws attention away from the art IMHO. When the borders were black, the art just jumped off the page. It suits his style. End fanboy rant. Ack, sometimes I wish I had gone the comic artist route instead of university and "real" work...Even looks like the comic industry may be recovering somewhat...
Wesley Snipes' Mignola critique by kkrankk	Feb 10th, 2000 02:38:56 AM
It's nice to read a thoughtful composition on AICN TalkBack. I, too, have noticed a change in Mignola's work. I think he's a little hasty these days yet his stories still don't come out often enough. I continue to love his pictures but I'm sometimes aghast at how shamelessly he borrows from H.P. Lovecraft for the occult elements of his Hellboy stories. I recently reread a dozen old Lovecraft stories and it was clear that Mignola lifts huge chunks of the old boy's plot elements without quite plagiarizing. However, he ends up with something fresh so what the hell, right?
There should be a permenent talkback for starwars by McKenzieFrenzy	Feb 10th, 2000 04:46:02 AM
seriously, i really do enjoy hearing every fucking trivial piece of news about the star wars movies, but enough is enough. Hear i am reading talk back that actually has something to do with the above artical, then WHAM! some dickhead is telling me about the ground shattering news that Anikin's Jedi cloak is going to be dark brown instead of pastel bone, or that the actor playing Bobba Fet is going to be 2.24 inches taller than the actor in ESB. Seriously, these pieces of info are important, but try to share them when the topic calls for it. By the way I think that Deep Impact was a rotten piece of offel, it looked like shit, I wanted that naked truth chick to get it, and if that dickhead and his girlfriend can escape the flood that covers half of America by ridding a dirt bike up a fucking hill then i'm moving to the States (the land is too flat in Australia). One more thing, to Edgard, Flash Gordon is a kick arse movie which can be enjoyed thouroly without the need of any "nostalgic" motivations.
And now, Back to Star Wars! by Niiiice	Feb 10th, 2000 01:17:43 PM
Before that guy posted about the new diverse roles of Episode Two, I would have agreed that every Star Wars casting rumor should come with a full talkback from another Star Wars story, since nothing new ever EVER EVER gets said. But this race thing brings up something new, even though it seems like every talkbacker is of the same wavelength on this one. Lucas misinterpreted the problem and chose a wrong way of reacting. The problem was RACIAL STEREOTYPING, NOT LACK OF DIVERSITY. He mixed up the two, and in the process of addressing diversity, he forgot about stereotyping, which was the "problem" to begin with. Now, this racial thing is all bullshit; people can read whatever they want into some subtle symbolisms, but in the end, their reaction reveals more about themselves than it does about the film. So what are the typical asian stereotypes? Short and squinty-eyed, right? What about the Nemeuroidians played off of this stereotype? They were tall and bug-eyed. As for Lucas, conceding to the public is a MAJOR COP-OUT, he's admitting that the public was right in its assesment of Star War's racial portrayal, something that SHOULD NEVER BE PART of a Star Wars movie. What the hell point would these new characters serve in the new film? If they're there just to satisfy the political activists, Lucas needs to take his own advice: "It's just as movie."
By the way, twist my nipples if I'm wrong.... by Niiiice	Feb 10th, 2000 01:19:41 PM
But isn't EVERY jedi supposed to have a "STRONG, SPIRITUAL NATURE"???????
Reading Hellboy. by otto66	Feb 10th, 2000 03:08:12 PM
To answer your ? about the order of the Hellboy books...pick up the collected stories from Dark Horse. Hellboy.com is still the best site for all things Hellboy and it will link you to the best sites to buy the books. 1- Seed of Destruction 2- Wake the Devil 3- The Chained Coffin and Others Buy Seed first. If you don't like it or don't "get" Mignola's art then take a pass on the other two. Mignola didn't create the Hellboy stories in chronological order. He moves up and down Hellboy's time line to tell the whole story. If you feel that you have to know in which order the stories fall, a little bit of detective work on the Hellboy sites will make this very easy to do. I envy you. Your about to link up with a character that is totally unique in comics. Those of us that have been reading Hellboy since the beginning wait months and months while Mignola creates the pages of his art. You, you lucky reader, can have 3 books worth of Hellboy if you so desire. Come, share our addiction.
Hellacious by Crom	Feb 10th, 2000 05:05:36 PM
I stand by my original wish to see Hellboy done as an animated flick - maybe they'll do this live-action thing and a cartoon will be spun off. Did I just suggest that? Damn, I am getting desperate...maybe the black lotus is making me hallucinate. And when is McFarlane Toys gonna release the Hellboy action figure? Army of Darkness Ash is outstanding, he will guard my workstation, but the pictures for the Hellboy prototype have been around for quite some time now. As for the comments about Mignola's art, at first I found it a little different than the norm, but he does have a signature style. What really brought me into the Hellboy fold were the stories - I just really like his stories. Waitaminute! Stories...characters...plot... using ellipses like Harry...can't hold her, she's breaking up...stories! I sincerely hope that the screenplay is interesting. Yes, I like films that tell stories. All the special effects in the world can make a lame movie walk (and yes, I'm thinking specifically about Jurassic Suck, so let them slings & arrows fly).
addendum to Hellacious by Crom	Feb 10th, 2000 05:08:09 PM
in my final sentence of the post, please replace the word "can" with the word "can't"...fookin' Micro$oft...
Rest in Peace, JIM VARNEY by Bregalad_	Feb 10th, 2000 08:07:13 PM
You were funny in spite of yourself. The world of Slapstick Comedy has lost a really talented fellow. Good luck in the great beyond, know what I mean Vern?
Jim Lee by CAD	Feb 10th, 2000 10:10:26 PM
People, cmon. You may not like the image style of comics, but to say Jim Lee can't draw is just wrong. Don't confuse style with draftsmanship. I'm not knocking Mignola either his stuff is great.
No, it's true. Jim Lee really can't draw. by Dave_F	Feb 11th, 2000 12:53:07 AM
Okay, that's a little harsh. I haven't looked closely at Lee's art for a few years, but what I remember is a guy who used excessive crosshatching that did little to delineate shape and form. His faces were flat and resembled each other. Backgrounds were sparse, and often filled with that same meaningless crosshatching that fills the background of so many Image titles. These deficiencies represent poor drawing skills, not stylistic choices. Now believe it or not, there was a brief time when I was actually "into" Lee's art (circa the early 90's relaunch of the X-Men). I liked the costumes, some of the anime-inspired vehicles, and the pretty ladies with the big boobs. Now I look back on his work and it's just so empty, so flat and uninspired. He and his legions of followers have a certain very superficial slickness to their work, but it's ultimately lifeless. Jim Lee was a little better than the likes of Rob Liefeld, but that's about all I can give him. And isn't he doing Frank Miller riffs these days? God, there's nothing sadder than a Frank Miller imitator.
Come on Cormorant by Niiiice	Feb 11th, 2000 02:38:43 AM
It's true that Lee's excessive use of crosshatching gave his work a somewhat "messy" look early on in his career perhaps pervading through his stint on Uncanny, but thankfully I'd have to say that he eventually got control of it. No matter how much lovers of old-school style may hate it, I have to say I like it. It may be a case of style (flash) versus substance, but I'd have to say he does a really good job of flash.
Ok, the posts are all WHACKED out of order so I hope you get my by Niiiice	Feb 11th, 2000 02:40:13 AM

Niiice, I agree to disagree with ya. by Dave_F	Feb 11th, 2000 04:31:03 AM
Tastes vary, that's fine. I'm a lifelong comics fan with kinda refined tastes, but even I can enjoy a glitzy no-substance artist on occasion. As for people like me being "lovers of old-school style", as you put it...well, if "old-school" simply means "good", sure, I'll accept the description. But I'm by no means a slavish follower of the old guard comic artists. I dig on any artist that's good, whether they're from the 60's or the 90's. Sadly, Jim Lee just doesn't fall into the "good" category. There are so many more 90's artists deserving of the recognition and fame that Lee got. Hmmm, this is gonna sound really condescending, but I think one day, as your artistic tastes mature, you'll look back on Lee's work and cringe. Yeah, that was condescending. Sorry, didn't mean it to be, but I think it's true.
Jim Lee can't draw? Don't be ridiculous by snapperhead71	Feb 11th, 2000 06:52:05 AM
I'm really only familiar with Jim Lee's work on the X-Men, but it was clearly head and shoulders above anybody who's work cam before him. It was quite a stunning difference when he came on board the X-Men. To say he can't draw is an irresponsible statement.
Are you out of your gourd?! Jim Lee used to be the best! by Wesley Snipes	Feb 11th, 2000 10:06:10 AM
It's true that Jim Lee's art has become a parody of itself and has been that way for several years now (essentially after the first few months of Image). It looks stiff, rushed, and particularly uninspired. He's too busy running his business and has admitted as much. Whatever. He publishes some amazing books (All that Alan Moore stuff) and has a good stable of talent. But if you look back at the height of his Uncanny X-Men days (Note I mean "Uncanny X-Men", not the later series simply entitled "X-Men"), he was absolutely world-beating. I've no idea where that "no backgrounds" comment came from. Perhaps you've confused Jim Lee with Rob Liefield? Check out his issues during the X-Tinction Agenda crossover event (#276-277??). Gorgeous, detailed and most importantly natural-looking (not that "inserted" stage play look drawn by some crappy artists) backgrounds. INCREDIBLE mastery of anatomy and perspective. Great composition. Wildly exciting layouts while still being absolutely easy to follow. I'm stunned that you would put him in even the same ballpark as that hack Rob Liefield. Actually, I'm sure you're at least partially confusing Lee with someone else, as backgrounds have never been a problem with his art. I'm not trying to be a snob or trying to insult you so please don't take this the wrong way, but anyone with any kind of art training should be able to objectively tell that Lee knows his stuff, especially upon seeing the Uncanny X-Men work. It's evident that he has a superior grasp of anatomy, perspective and general illustration skills. Yeah, his faces didn't vary enough and I wouldn't stack that work against that of a Renaissance master (hehe), but remember he wasn't using live models to work from, had to churn out 22 pages every 30 days, and had to accomodate the demands of the story. Lee's work was better than 99% of the other comic art out there. And regarding that Frank Miller rip, he only did like 2 issues of it! It was an experiment. And personally, I thought it was a beautiful rip. Probably the best thing he did the entire time he was with Image.
#271-272 - Best Lee work. by Wesley Snipes	Feb 11th, 2000 10:21:55 AM
Sorry, issues 271 and 272 of Uncanny X-Men are the ones I'm referring to as Lee's best work. You can find them in a collected trade paperback of the whole X-Tinction Agenda series, though the print quality of that book is strangely faded. See if you can find the issues themselves. Okay, enough making a nerd out of myself. :)
up your bung by John Brabble	Feb 11th, 2000 11:31:06 AM
Enjoy the comic books-- the X-MEN are fantastic to experience on the drawn page. Whether the movie is good or not-- we'll see. It's not a dream cast, but there are some great people in it, i.e. Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan. And the X-MEN!!! I mean, they are huge, iconic, legendary. This movie-- it's like trying to write a movie about who Shakespeare was and how he wrote and why he wrote. It's impossible to please every, single, solitary viewpoint of each individual human being who has come in contact with the material. Everyone has an opinion about what Cyclops' visor is supposed to look like. The movie will be what it is, and for all y'all who think that Hugh Jackman is a poor choice... tough shit. He's been cast, and he will do his best. As will the others. I have a feeling that they want to work again in show business, so I think that the cast and crew and everyone associated with the movie will probably do their absolute best and poosibly surpass that. There is no perfect X-MEN movie, only the ones that exist in our imaginations. xxxooo, John Brabble P.S. Shove it straight up your bungholios. Relax.
Jim Lee by CAD	Feb 11th, 2000 11:38:39 AM
Ok, I don't if you guys are just biased because Jim Lee gets recognition that other artists that you feel are overlooked don't or you guys are being comic snobs(which is just sad). Fact, Jim Lee can draw, you may not like what or how he draws, but he can draw the shit out of things. Pure technical ability can be seen in an issue of X-men which takes place in the savage land. There is a panel, kinda rip from apocolyspe now where he draws a bunch of hind helicopters. Dude, they are in perspective with characters inside. I'm not talking about great storytelling or generic faces, I'm saying he can draw. Please don't be petty about about popularity when there are many other artists out there who really can't draw. Face it, if he couldn't draw, he wouldn't be popular or rich. Rob Liefield on the other hand I can't explain.
Hellboy casting by Tons of Fun	Feb 11th, 2000 12:46:55 PM
I would first like to say that i have never read any Hellboy comics...yet. but I am getting some soon. I have always loved the look and concept of Hellboy, but for some reason never picked any up. But I know who should play him in the movie. Michael Clarke Duncan (the big guy from THE GREEN MILE). Who said Hellboy had to be played by a white actor? Hellboy's frickin' red. Like it matters and Duncan is a really big dude. He also really made me feel bad for his character in TGM, and I guess Hellboy has some of the same character elements.
WARRIOR youre tame compared to Percie Johnson, and Moriarty and by Malchizedik	Feb 11th, 2000 08:55:41 PM
That guy has been banned fucking 5 times now, and still cant get a solid spot or post. and most of the time he was addressing the subject unlike you who cant do more than suck off ABKing. Moriarty, have you ever been in a film????
Anakin Casting by Palpateen	Feb 11th, 2000 11:44:44 PM
Lucasfilm's Lynne Hale has posted the up to the minute definitive update on the casting of Anakin on the Star Wars website. Check it out.
Warrior .. by Malchizedik	Feb 12th, 2000 04:07:27 AM
youre about as bright as Conan, good luck pal
right on--WARRIOR by Malchizedik	Feb 13th, 2000 05:48:46 AM
that was great pal, ill paraphrase brundledanmaunzfanfightclub here- tis not a greater pestilence known to man than the poster who corrects grammar- but on the other hand, i actually enjoy your posts, do you have a girlfriend?
ata boy WARRIOR by Malchizedik	Feb 13th, 2000 05:18:09 PM
your all over it ehh. so, would you like to go out sometime? What sort aye things do ye like tae do?
Malchizidek is a girl? by Niiiice	Feb 13th, 2000 07:01:25 PM

Warrior, i underestimated you by Malchizedik	Feb 13th, 2000 09:31:19 PM
and your capacity for ignorance. I can take a hint. The spelling isn't exactly wrong if the idea is still conveyed. Im bobby mcgee you thick fuck, thats how i talk.
Hmmm...tricky tricky! by Niiiice	Feb 14th, 2000 03:11:55 AM
I'm slapping myself for not seeing through her/his clever ruse, SSZero

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