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Comic dealer lends a hand with SPIDERMAN

Does whatever a Spider Can! by Rimmerboy	Feb 8th, 2000 11:48:09 PM
None of this matters. Comic books just don't translate well onto the big screen. Judge Dread anyone?
Spiderman p. 2 by MrKearns	Feb 8th, 2000 11:49:03 PM
Where the hell would they start the movie off if they didn't have some sort of "introductory flashback" or... sumthin, it's just traditional for comic movies to show how the character came to be. They can't just rely on fanbase, even though Spiderman is popular with many different people, there's always that slight margin of morons who don't know where the character originated. However, it would be interesting if they could put a stop to the trend of showing the very beginning in comics; and for Christ's sake, don't make Green Goblin/(whoever the villain will be) the one who killed his uncle. Superheroes don't need to avenge their friends deaths all the time... maybe they just feel like stopping crime in general, not going after the person who killed their pet lizard, or some shit.
Spiderman....Nobody knows who you are! by Choda	Feb 9th, 2000 12:00:15 AM
I really miss those Spiderman shorts on that show "The Electric Company" that I watched when I was a kid. (In the mid to late 70's on PBS.) Someone needs to find those and edit them all together then sell it as a direct to video production. It would make a fortune!
Sam Raimi will do it RIGHT! by Susumu Kodai	Feb 9th, 2000 12:20:58 AM
I knew that Sam Raimi would do a great job. It seems he's hired some people that LISTEN to people who know more than they do about something. GO SAM! DO US PROUD! Oh, and give Bruce Campbell a cameo for old times sake willya?
Do faithful adaptations really matter? by Niiiice	Feb 9th, 2000 12:24:26 AM
Someone on this site posted that Bryan Singer pored over X-Men issues to prepare for this film, I don't think it necessarily is any indication that we'll get a "true to form" Spidey. The final vision will tell us more about the director than Spiderman because ultimately, its what the director sees in Spiderman that he chooses to represent on film.
Electric Company by Rimmerboy	Feb 9th, 2000 12:25:49 AM
Those Spiderman clips were incredible, although from what I remember they struck me as kind of creepy, maybe because I was three at the time. Still, Sammy boy might want to check em out. Better than getting his fucking ideas from old comic books!
I know this guy and he has a cool store not like Stinky the Conv by Uncapie	Feb 9th, 2000 12:40:31 AM
This guy has lots of cool stuff in his store. Stinky the Goat Boy lives in his store with a box of human remains that he keeps in the back. Maybe that's why it stinks so damn bad in his store. Stinky is a momma's boy, so maybe that's the remains of his momma-in-a-box. Who knows? His comics are a mess, unkept and its just plain dirty, like him. Nice to see where the quality shoppers go!
High Hopes and "Spidey" by Paco J	Feb 9th, 2000 12:45:05 AM
God, I really hope this works. I really want to believe that higher-ups will take an interest in the common fan's thoughts...perhaps I'm being a bit unrealistic. DAMMIT, I CAN DREAM, CAN'T I????? Oh, and by the by, those Electric Company "Spidey" shorts kind of blow when viewed nowadays. And I thought whenever Spidey had a Thought Bubble it always sounded like he ripped a loud one.
Bad News Indeed... by mr_ripley	Feb 9th, 2000 12:46:09 AM
I thought Sam Raimy was supposed to be the perfect choice to direct SPIDERMAN. It makes me nervous that his assistants are asking questions like "How's about a new origin?" or "What about two villians?". Changing the origin shows a total lack of respect for the property. (If you think it's lame, just skip the origin and deal with an already mutated Peter Parker, simple enough. AND by all means throw out that Koepp script!) Having two villians looks like their headed down the same road as BATMAN. When will Hollywood learn from its mistakes? I also cannot believe everyone was championing the director of FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME. I am hoping for the best, but...
Judge Dredd and DMFC by BigRick	Feb 9th, 2000 12:56:28 AM
Way to troll, you wanker! I'll take the bait. If you think that comics are where REAL novelists go to die, you obviously have never read any of Frank Miller's stuff. As for "STALLONE - JUDGE DREDD" you got what Hollywood wanted...NOT what the talented geniuses of Mega-City One have penned for years. See you in the funny pages....
AND SO IT BEGINS... by Bono	Feb 9th, 2000 12:58:34 AM
The best thing about this movie is going to be reading all of the enraged postings as Harry reveals every new, leaked insider detail!! You comic book kooks are like rabid dogs! I hope I'm here the day you find out that Spidey is going to be dressed in a black leather jacket with four thousand zippers with a bulky grappling hook slung over a shoulder!! Let the disappointing begin!!!
....These are the stupidest fucking points in the world. by JSamson	Feb 9th, 2000 01:07:49 AM
"Where failed authors go to die"? "why wouldn't they write movies they make more money"? "The Beast is a classic novel"? Geez, someone sure seems to not know shit about shit. For starters, saying people who write comics fail is about the stupidest fucking thing ever. Kevin Smith wanted to write comics more than make movies, so once he got famous he did just that. Neil Gaiman started for comics, and still writes comics, and is one of the most brilliant writers out there. He's also had succesful novels and wrote the english adaption for Mononoke Hime. That's failure? And childish? I think you, my friend, need to start looking in different places. I mean, who the fuck reads a Spiderman comic thinking it's gonna be some work of art? It's a fun comic about a guy with spider powers fighting crime. You don't go too deep with that. And how about comics like Sandman, or Alan Moore's Watchmen, or his America's Best Comics line? I think you should take a trip down to your local comic store and pick yourself up a copy of Preacher. The story and art contained within are fucking brilliant. And I'd much rather sit down and reread all my Preacher comics than go watch, say, Supernova, or Deuce Bigalow, or anything similarily shitty. The fact you can call Preacher childish and The Beast, a reworked version of a novel he wrote years earlier you may have heard of called Jaws, a classic? That's just fucking stupid. As for the money comment...I know it may be odd, but some people do what they do because they enjoy it. Everyone's not out just to make the most money. People who are passionate about their work love what they do, and so they do it. I mean, geezus, is that so hard to understand? Why wouldn't they look at the comics? Spiderman is a comic, and so you should probably go to the source. What's the point in just sticking something with the same name and making it totally different than that it's based on? I'm not even a big fan of comics (all my previously cited works are about all I read), and yet I can still see that you should read the comic if you're doing a damn movie. Anyways, put some time into your points before you come off looking stupid. Try it in your inevitable reply where you desperately try and hurt my feelings. Sometimes I just don't fucking get people. -=-JSamson
choda and rimmerboy\| thanks for the memories, electric company's by darthpsychotic	Feb 9th, 2000 01:31:57 AM
those electric company spiderman series were LUNATIC! i too, was freaked out by those spiderman(spider-man?) shorts. for the uninitiated, they featured a live action spiderman set inside 'virtual comicbook frames' and used virtual comicbook dialog balloons. The spiderman shorts had a dark tone(origins of my dark hour?). Unfortunately, like underdog and battle of the planets(g-force) on cartoon network, they would end on a cliffhanger with OUR HERO usually in mortal danger and the next electric company we would never find out what happened! another psychotic show which scared me was 'vegetable soup'. it featured a cartoon psychedlic/acid metal band and had these 'FREAKY puppets with human hands' shorts. the freaky puppets built a homemade space rocket with a bicycle wheel as a window. i would always wonder when they would come home.
Wish he hadn't steered them away from Byrne by Pagz	Feb 9th, 2000 01:39:45 AM
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the original origin, but there are a lot of great ideas in Chapter one on how to effectively condense some aspects of the origin, or how to make it more believable. A reworking of the origin isn't a bad thing, it just needs to be done with the proper respect to the source material. I like the combining of Spidey and Doc Ock's origins, very convienient for the film, makes it easier so we don't have to waste time on 2 origins.
I just can't let this slip by... by FATHER GEEK	Feb 9th, 2000 02:15:11 AM
Usually I just let stupidity in a talkback speak for its self, figuring the writers own words will do him in, but this time I've just got to point out a couple of things in regard to the post that comic writers are no where hacks that failed at REAL writing like "Screenwriting". What a stinking crock! Alan Moore is a noted comic writer who has not failed in other endevors. How about Harlen Ellison he's certainly no hack. He's written hundreds of published novels, shortstories, essays, as well as Tele-plays, Screenplays, and, yes comicbooks too. Kevin Smith, no hasbeen of a screenwriter has written comicbooks. But perhaps the best example I can give here is Ray Bradbury who in the 1950's at the height of his writing power as a novelist, magazine writer, playwright, and screenwriter turned out dozens of comicbook stories for EC comics. Why do these men wright comicbooks? Well I can't speak for them all but both Bradbury and Ellison have said on several occasions that they did it because they LOVE the medium. Why do millionaire movie stars and directors go back to the stage for a tenth the money? Because they LOVE it. Also comics don't skimp on their paychecks to badly just ask mega-millionaire comic artist/writers Kevin & Eastman, or Todd Macfarlane if their paychecks leave anything to be desired.
It's about time... by SABER1	Feb 9th, 2000 02:18:53 AM
It's about time SOMEONE took the time out to listen to a fan, even if it was just a few assistants. While if they take what they heard to heart (more importantly if the director does) remains to be seen, it is a sign that maybe someone cares enough to listen to someone who has a personal attachment to a character. I'm sure ALL of us have at one time thought "If they had only asked me what I thought before this dung heap was made..." (isn't that why we are all here), well if this guy got the opportunity to voice his oppinion, then more power to him. It sounds like he knew what he was talking about, at least enough to turn him away from the recent Byrn revemp. As for comics not being a respectable medium with no good writing, I would have to point out that many have said the same about modern films. I would urge the author of the posting bashing comics and its proponents to ask fans he may know about some classic Spider-Man comics as well as other great stories or books. Remember: while not easy to make a flawless film, it can be done and fit into a few hours, but a comic's run can last for over 50 years, and in that time you can jam a lot of crap into a superhero's life (The Spidey clone saga........uuuuugggghhh).
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DMFC by SABER1	Feb 9th, 2000 02:48:41 AM
OK, it's only my personal taste, but I think the original Spider-Man story from Amazing Fantasy #15 is great, and here's why: like soooo many other stories throughout history, this is the classic heroe's journey described by Joseph Campbell. I know you probably have heard it a thousand times before, but please bear with me. The story of a nobody, shunned and laughed at by everyone but his aunt and uncle. When given a great power, he chooses to use it for personal gain, forgetting those who supported him and cared about the real him. By not stopping the thief in the hall, Parker was in a large way responsible for the death of the man who raised him. The next person he fails to stop could kill someone else's uncle. The fact is that Spider-Man the hero does not appear untill the very last panell as he walks away from the picture, his head lowered as he realizes...drum roll please: with great power comes great responsibility. EVERYTHING that follows in a Spider-Man book stems from this. Compare this to other such journies: Hercules, the Knights of the Round Table or Luke Skywalker...as Lucas himself said of ANH, "Im' telling a very old story in a new way." Any way, put this story on film in its original form in a short feature format and you might agree it is a great story, though the box office might not agree. To me, it's entertainment, it's fun, and it's just my oppinion.
no fists here by SABER1	Feb 9th, 2000 02:56:07 AM
I'm just trying to get across what I find interesting about the medium, and I think it's totally cool you openly admit you can change your mind. It's people like you, ones that admit that they're human and can be wrong or be swayed about things in general, that give me hope for the future. Let he who is without fault cast the first stone.
Spiderman, duh! by Psyberia	Feb 9th, 2000 04:28:26 AM
There is nothing wrong with Sam Raimi sending out his goons to do a little research. The fact that they bought comic books, asked stupid questions, and were answered by a knowledgeable comic store owner, just means that they are trying there damnedest to get it right! It's for the fans! Geez, some of you morons are never satisfied. The story and how it will be portrayed will be the most important aspect of this film. Not who plays Spiderman, who does the score, who plays the villain, even though those ARE important, they are not going to stop me from seeing a movie because I don't like who contributed to it. If I had my wish, they'd all be unknowns and Sam would make them all stars.
Jason Lee V's Johnny Depp by Dirtfish	Feb 9th, 2000 05:40:31 AM
Jason Lee would be a great choice for the web-slinger! Kevin Smith's favourite actor would be perfect and Bruce Campbell could play his uncle who gets killed. Johnny Depp could play a wooden beam(his wooden acting perfect for the role) that Spidey swings on.
hey DMFC by Lazarus Long	Feb 9th, 2000 06:01:01 AM
what do Big Larz! and Frank Horrigan have to say on this subject? Are they looking over your shoulders as you type your messages, or are they in your head? At any rate, it is rather baiting of you to go on this talkback and speak so smugly about comic writing in general, let alone being "unimpressed" by the writings of Alan Moore, Frank Miller, etc. Exactly what is good writing in your opinion? Watchmen is one of the greatest fiction works of the 1980's (the only reason I give it the edge over Dark Knight Returns is that Miller didn't create Batman), with layer upon layer of meaning and theme. How many 1980's screenplays achieved this? If you're going to talk about things in terms of money, you are a sad case indeed. Anyone that puts their financial situation ahead of everything else will never be truly happy. DMFC have fun living in your mansion, and I hope you forget to turn the stove off one fateful evening...
More DMFC hoo-ha by Dave_F	Feb 9th, 2000 06:13:06 AM
Hey Danny-boy, most of the comics you say you've read stem from the superhero genre (excepting From Hell). Try some other material to see what the medium has to offer. Want slice-of-life drama? Try the Hernandez Brothers' Love and Rockets, Jason Lutes' Jar of Fools, or Seth's It's a Good Life If You Don't Weaken. The best fantasy story I've seen in years (in any medium) is Hayao Miyazaki's epic-length Nausicaa, a far more complex work than the anime of the same name. There's a great all-ages educational comic that just wrapped up called Clan Apis, centering on the biology of honeybees. Concrete remains my all-time favorite series - witty, introspective, and full of appreciation for the natural world. It's got a hint of fantasy, but it's largely grounded in the world we live in. Hmm...what else? Try P. Craig Russel's adaptations of Oscar Wilde's fairy tales for something different. Maybe Eric Shannower's Age of Bronze for a bit of historical fiction regarding the Trojan War. If you just want to laugh, there's Jay Stephen's Land of Nod - the recent compilation, Rockabye Book, collects all the best stuff. Those are a few suggestions off the top of my head if you're looking for diversity. Mostly middlebrow stuff, but those are my tastes. As it stands, the modern comic book medium is still in its infancy (a little over a century old). Its greatest works are yet to come, and at least in America, that'll mean throwing off the shackles of the superhero genre first. Adventure comics are still great fun, but if you limit your reading to them, you'll never understand what the medium is capable of.
Just a superhero fan, not a comics fan... by xeeds	Feb 9th, 2000 06:25:05 AM
I have never been a big comic book fan. Though since I was a kid whether it was the Spider Man Electric Company shorts, the cartoon, or even those really bad movies made in the 70's, I;ve just loved the stuff. Same goes for Superman from the old B+W shows to the new animated ones. It's just fun. When you are a kid you want to escape your normal little life and watching somebody who flies, or crawls up walls, or even is just rich and uses his money to create their superhero, its a great escape as long as you don't actually try to live it or get to involved in it, same with any escape. Live action versions of superhero films are rarely what they should be because some marketting poll taken by clueless people ends up twisting things around and screwing it all up. It rarely matters though because when you see a scene like the one in Batman where he descends on the rooftop, roughs up some thugs, and lifts the one up and lets him know "I'm Batman." Well thats just the coolest thing even if you have never read a single Batman comic in your life. I don't like the comics, the dialogue is USUALLY bad, and their are often too many silly and overdone details. Not to say that their aren't excapetions, but I'd still rather see the movie. I'd just like to see them get the movie versions right a little more often. I like Burton and I like the first Batman, but he didn't get it right. God when the Batwing spent 5 minutes flying into town and then got shot down with one bullet from the Joker's gun, it was all hype and build up with no delivery, the Batwing should have got to do something once it got to town, and the Joker should have had to figure out something clever to stop the Batwing, or Batman should have just landed it after he kicked as much ass as he could from the air. That scene still ruins that movie for me to a small degree. Its like if somebody took a pet piranha into school for show and tell and didn't have anything to feed it to actually show off what the thing does. The first Superman, though it had its faults, did it right. The Punisher, god Dolph Lundgren was bad, the dialogue was bad, but the flow of the plot and the action made it enjoyable, and I've never even seen the comic. The best comic book movies usually have the worst budgets, actors, and special effects, but they actually put time into the story and focus on the action. Sorry this was so long and I haven't really even started in on Spidey yet.
Two villains? Not so cool. by Dave_F	Feb 9th, 2000 06:35:59 AM
Really hopin' that they'll drop the two villains idea. I don't know how it began, I just know that the Batman series should have aptly demonstrated what a flawed concept it is. Only reason it worked in Superman II is because the three baddies essentially acted as one unit, not individuals with individual backgrounds to flesh out. For the first film, especially, the hero's story must be central, and that ain't happenin' with two villains. Sidebar to Eternal: if they bring in Venom, the film's fucked anyway, Carnage or no Carnage. ********* On a broader note, I'm pleased in general that Raimi's assistants are talking to Spider-Man fans. Sounds like the comic shop owner was largely on target in expressing fan hopes for the movie. Hope to hell they were listening.
Actual Spidey talk.. by xeeds	Feb 9th, 2000 07:05:11 AM
I am a huge Raimi fan, but lets face it Darkman left something to be desired, and the M.A.N.T.I.S. was pretty bad. So his superhero track record isn't the best, but he definitely had some of the right ideas, so maybe this will be the time that the pieces come together. He needs to do a of his cool camera tricks too, like in Evil Dead 2 or Quick and the Dead. The actor, an unknown definitely, I want to see Peter Parker and Spidey up there and not somebody I've seen a hundred times. My personal favorite is Justin Long who played Brandon the super geek who saved the day for Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest. I can totally picture him playing a science geek who suddenly gets these powers, by being bit by a radioactive spider in his college lab, and decides that he is going to be cool as crap because of it, but then has a sobering experience that makes him realize what he really needs to do. Which means yes I like the Spidey lets a simple thief go who later kills his Uncle Ben idea. Make it 10-15 minutes long and get it all over with before the starting credits role. Kind of like the recap of Evil Dead 2 in the start of Army of Darkness, but with a tad more detail. Past this and keeping the main chracters in tact, I don't care a whole lot how closely it follows the comic books. Screw the supervillans. The first movie should be about Spidey. I'd rather see Spidey spend another 10-15 minutes doing tons of good deeds and then bam he gets framed for something by somebody like KingPin. He then spends the next hour running from the cops, while taking out henchman, and split between Spidey and Peter Parker the newspaper photographer discovering that the framing was just a distraction so that KingPin could distract both Spidey and the cops while he did something more sinister. In the end clearing Spidey's name and simply delivering KingPin to the ploice simply and nicely wrapped in a web. Then having Peter Parker someplace where the HobGoblin or some other supervillan comes flying in and he ducks into an alleyway to become Spiderman just before the credits role leaving you yearning for the next movie. Please no biomechnical web shooters and don't waste too much if any time on a love story/girlfirend tangent. If they are going to modernize spidey at all, give him some wireless internet computer that lets him get info on the fly to help him avoid the police, research something to help him stop the bad guy, and possibly to send in his digital photographs of Spidey moments after the action actually occurs. Let Peter's geek side use some modern gadgets for Spidey. Oh and yeah cast Bruce Campbell as JJJ. A little fake greay hair and this would be awesome.
If they only did this with Batman. by Wheel99	Feb 9th, 2000 08:43:29 AM
It's nice to see that Rami is going to the source to get good spidey source material. I know in the Batman movies they got Bob Kane for a tech consultant. Now I know that Bob invented Bats and he deserves all the praises that come with it, but I remember reading an article where he was quoted as saying that he read the Dark Knight Returns and didn't understand it. Batman had been re invented by Frank Miller and they went and got Bob Kane to be an advisor ?? I have higher hopes for spidey now.
The Science of Spider-Man by Killeen	Feb 9th, 2000 09:23:05 AM
First, The Electric Company Spidey kinda creeped me out a little, too. He never spoke (except in word-balloons) and the way they did the webbing, with those freaky, flashing black lines that just appeared...spooky. Yeah, I grew up on Spidey--every other pic of me as a kid, I got on a Spidey T (loved the underoo vers.--could really pretend I was Spidey--very dangerous). Even have a pic of me setting on the web-slinger's lap--a guy in costume at a mall--talk about reality-warping experiences--also very dangerous. Still, think it'd be best if there were at least a psuedo-scientific origin/explanation for the powers, ala Cameron's scriptment/Spider-Man 20??. Not just a radioactive spider bite. Seemed stupid to me as a kid when Nicholas Hammond got bitten and that was all there was to it. Also, organic web-shooters just make more sense. Pete's gonna outdo major research corporations in his bedroom? A stretch to the breaking point. Still, Raimi, going by Ash's mechanical modifications to himself, will probably opt for the mech shooters. That's fine. Also, what about his wall-crawling powers? Electro-static something-or-other, or little retractable claw/hooks? Find out soon , I hope.
Hollywood Makes Lousy Super Hero Movies. by Roborob	Feb 9th, 2000 09:53:24 AM
Ever since Hollywood started turning Comics into films, they have felt the need to tell the origin of a caracter. While this worked in Superman it failed in Steel, Batman explained his origin to Viki Vale but it didn't play a huge part in the overall story. Spiderman has an origin that is Known to most people in the English Speaking World, and beyond it too. If the film is made by a fan with influence rather than a Hoolywood Director, then it might turn out to be a Blockbuster. It would Also help if The film is not made in Hollywood but New York or even Out side The USA as was Superman, Batman and The Matrix.
It's spelled "Identical," consult the expert fans on Spidey, and by Funny Ha Ha	Feb 9th, 2000 10:00:48 AM
Remember how MASH tried to have a little bit of operating room scene in every episode to ensure they maintained a sense of war in the show? I will try to do that here by starting with the topic: I approve the consultation of this comic-guy. We all know that studios do focus groups, test screenings, etc. to gauge movies, but here they are consulting the superhero movie equivalent of an "expert.
well now we can talk, baby by eddie munster	Feb 9th, 2000 10:13:31 AM
Finaly, some guy that is intersted in the true fans opinion. I am of course talking about Sam, the mother of em all. If he changes the script it can only get better. And please Sam, just one villian and no "Batman and Robin" crap type of thing. Cheers. Ps. Father Geek, how old are you dude?
DMFC by Bloodclot	Feb 9th, 2000 10:29:18 AM
You are probably the most monumentally stupid piece of shit I have ever encountered online. You claim to foster discussion and inquiry, but it seems to me that you're just trying to prove how smart you are (and you're failing miserably, I might add). To say that comics are somehow an inferior medium is not only ill-advised, but also totally wrong. In the first place, there are plenty of comic mini-series that stand alone as works of art. Miller's 300, Moore's WATCHMEN, and Loeb's THE LONG HALLOWEEN come to mind. But rather than just give examples, I'm going to tell you why the comics medium is so special. And I'll use small words so that you can understand. See, comics (more than any other medium) allow characters to develop over time. Every established comic character has a history, a legacy, if you will. Batman is the best example of all. When I read a Batman comic, I get a sense of the dignity and stature of the character that I'm reading about. When I see him encounter various situations, I am able to match those situations against earlier events in the continuity. In short, comics often allow readers to forge deeper connections with characters than other types of media. By extension, they also allow WRITERS to forge deeper connections with the characters that the write about. So you see, sparky? That's a pretty good reason to write comics, ain't it?
I pride myself on being easily amused and silly! by Funny Ha Ha	Feb 9th, 2000 10:53:05 AM
Without doubt I try not to take myself as seriously as our pal DMFC! Horrigan - I was actually trying to diffuse the situation with you by joking around - up to that point I had no beef with you. You don't have enough information to call me pathetic yet, nor enough motive to declare war. In a nod to Eddie Munster, I'll extend you an olive branch here and refrain from returning fire, and hope that it takes an action more significant than "spell checking" this site to get your dander up in the future.
Thank God. by riskebiz	Feb 9th, 2000 11:04:25 AM
Finally, the voice of reason. I hope they take a clue.
OT: Daredevil by drcruz	Feb 9th, 2000 11:30:50 AM
Speaking of comic book movies, if a Daredevil movie was ever to be made they should do the Frank Miller story of when "Kingpin" finds out Daredevil's secret ID. GOOD STORY, very intense. C-Yah...
I stopped reading this arguement halfway down, but... by Coopcooper	Feb 9th, 2000 12:27:10 PM
wasn't DMFC just asking us to admit that there are comics in print that suck balls? There are. There are many. This site full of alleged movie lovers is quick to trash the latest DeCaprio effort but won't admit some comics suck. I barely read comics anymore. I read Wizard to see what comics are up to. I like Frank Miller's work, certian Batman storylines, certain Wolverine storylines, was a big fan of the Punisher when I was younger, I've read some Preacher and nothing else good comes to mind. I've tried just picking up recent Batman titles and they suck. Superman sucks. I love the character but when the movie was going to try to give him feelings of alienation and shit I was excited 'cause he is one boring motherfucker. Batman really does suck cock nowadays. I love the character but I can admit it when I think they're killing him with poor comics and movies alike. The cartoon kicked ass, though. Come on kids, give up the blind, devoted faith. Nic Cage is my favorite actor but Snake Eyes sucked. I love Star Wars but was a little dissapointed by Episode 1 (still liked it, just wished it was better before you start badgering me about it). They should keep the original Spidey origin. But then again, wouldn't seeing Spidey in a wrestling ring (and you know they'll have some jack ass popular wrestler) be kinda dumb looking on film? Maybe they could change that part of the story. Oh well, fuck ranting. The arguement probably pulled a 180 twenty post ago and I'm arguing to no one here. Fuck it.
If he DOES use the Goblin in the first film, he'd better live, b by dennis	Feb 9th, 2000 12:54:02 PM
I really see that as being ideally the second film in a Spiderman franchise. Build up the character in the first, let him become a hero, then knock him down in the next film and make him question everything. Actually, if they're going to go with two villians in the first film, I'd say go with Doc Ock with Vulture or Sandman. I don't think there is anything wrong with having two villians in a picture, folks. It's when you have two villians and you're trying to explain BOTH origins and they're BOTH the main antagonist. Spiderman exists in a world populated with super villians/heroes. There's nothing wrong with having someone like, say, Sandman, as a supporting villian or henchmen. Think about it. Do any of us really give two flips about the Sandman's origin? (Personally, I'm more dissapointed that Creed got demoted to WWF-henchman in the X-Men film.) The Sandman doesn't really have an agenda -- he just wants to make money or a name for himself and that makes him the perfect henchman and a special effects-driven character. Doc Ock is the one with the personal vendetta against Spidey and should get the bulk of the screen time. But there is NO WAY I'd use Goblin in the first film. As someone mentioned on another TalkBack, YOU MUST SHOW THE FULL EFFECT OF OSBORN'S TRANSFORMATION. That means we have to get to know him BEFORE he's the Goblin, and before his SON becomes the Goblin. And if they DO make Goblin kill Uncle Ben, that would just be pure $hit. If I had a choice, I'd do Doc Ock/Sandman for Spidey I, Green Goblin for Spidey II, and Kraven for Spidey III.
By the way...Bruce Campbell for KRAVEN anyone?! by dennis	Feb 9th, 2000 12:56:22 PM
That's the only place I'd fit Brucey boy in. He'd be excellent at that role. I'd really like to see him sink his teeth into a role of pure villiany.
Brainless Cattle by Darth Delicious	Feb 9th, 2000 01:23:01 PM
The perfect Peter Parker/Spider Man is obvious. Lets get the original live action Peter Parker from those great TV movies of the late 70s or early 80s? Sure he's a little old to play a teenager, but a talented director like Sam Raimi could use lighting, makeup, and CGI to roll back the years. If not him, how about Ralph Maccio or Robbie Benson? Both are the veritable picture of Dorian Grey. I know, Ralph Maccio waited my table at dinner the other night and he still looks like he's 17. This posting was marinated to add flavor.
Bruce Campbell in Spiderman by Wheel99	Feb 9th, 2000 01:26:46 PM
I think Bruce would be a perfect Kurt Connors who will later transform in to the Lizard. Picture him with the deadpan serious scientist act and then going in for a real hammy lizard.
The Treatment To Spider-Man That Sam Raimi Should Be Looking At by Jake The Snake	Feb 9th, 2000 01:29:39 PM
(I saw this posted on another talkback)Start off with Parker's origin as a kid in high school who, while on a field trip to the 2000 World's Fair in New York, gets bit by a radioactive tarantula. He immediately starts noticing changes in his body(holes in his wrists where webs shoot out, the strength of ten men, superhuman quickness and agility, a "sixth" sense) but keeps all of it a secret from everybody because he doesn't want to end up a guinea pig for NASA. The only person he tells is Uncle Ben who, aside from Aunt May, is the only human being on this planet he trusts now that his folks died in a plane crash. Ben is a ringmaster in a circus. Ben wants Petey to be in his circus show as the main attraction. Petey agrees as long as Uncle Ben keeps his id a secret. They go on tour for a couple months and every show sells out. Things however start to get a little rough when the circus comes back to NYC. The mafia wants a big kickback from Ben's circus because they've been making big money with their "Spider-Man" attraction. Ben is a stubborn fuck and tells the greasballs to go hump themselves. Peter Parker knows about this but does nothing because he's a pussy. One night while walking on the street carrying groceries, Ben is mugged and left with a bullet in his head. Parker doesn't know it for sure but thinks the mob had something to do with this. He realizes he shoulda done something earlier. He quits the circus, moves back with Aunt May, and starts patrolling the streets of New York as Spider-Man. After providing some impossible to get pictures, Peter Parker gets a job as a photo journalist at the Daily Bugle. It is here where he meets Mary Jane, an older babe-alicious reporter who they both know is too good for him. He's her photographer sidekick dude. In between nights of kicking ass in crackhouses and picking fights with the wiseguys on Mulberry Street, Parker meets a friend from high school, Gwen Stacy, who's working at a McDonald's. They begin to develop a "thing" that develops throughout the movie. While all of this happen the media of New York focuses in on Wilson Fisk, who's just been acquitted the fourth straight time since the Feds have started hounding him. Fisk is a businessman who has somehow taken over the underworld of New York eversince Cosa Nostra was nearly wiped out in the early 90's. On the streets he is known as the "Kingpin". Fisk is charismatic and an affable celebrity who takes it all in stride and even goes on Letterman joking about how he's gonna "whack" Dave. Spidey and Kingpin, protagonist and antagonist, eventually come into conflict with Spidey finding out that Fisk was indirectly responsible for Ben's death. The climax is on top of the empire state building with Spidey laying the smack down on Kingpin's ass 100 stories. Him and Gwen Stacy fall in love.
That treatment was... by Coopcooper	Feb 9th, 2000 01:37:32 PM
...the stupidest fuckin' thing I've ever read. I hope to God whoever wrote it was joking.
Sam Raimi, please don't read that god awful treatment. Thanks. by Coopcooper	Feb 9th, 2000 01:47:43 PM
That was the stupidest fucking thing I've ever had the misfortune to read. I hope it was intended as a joke.
uhh, hello? by Coopcooper	Feb 9th, 2000 01:51:43 PM
I've tried to bash that treatment twice to no avail. So, this is a test, really. Hopefully they do the death of Gwen Stacy eventually. That's one of the best comic book deaths. Seems like old Spidey has a knack for accidentally killing chicks (Spider-man/Wolverine crossover).
ALERT ABOUT GREEN GOBLIN! by Osborn	Feb 9th, 2000 02:00:32 PM
If the Green Goblin is ever to be used in Spiderman film (and he must!)then please understand that those first few times he appeared which are featured in Vol. 1, 2, and 3, of the essential Spiderman black and white paperbacks are not indicative of the exact kind of villian he would become in the series. In short, in those issues, he was not a psychotic, but a much more subdued crime boss with typical henchmen at times. Stan Lee seemed unsure about him and which directions he should go with him. To see those appearances is to wonder what all the fuss is about on having the Goblin in the film at all. Oh, but did Stan Lee grow as a writer, and on came John Romita, and changed the Green Goblin into the character we truly feared as children (and weactually feared for Spiderman as a result). The change came in issues 39 and 40, when it was revealed that the Green Goblin was Norman Osborn, unloving, nasty father of Peter Parker's best friend Harry. Now understand this, even though cruel to his son on a daily basis, Norman Osborn loved his son, and blamed Harry's friendship with Peter for everything that went wrong in his son's life (instead of blaming himself). Bad grades, his later drug addiction, you name it, it was all Parker's fault. We understood this type of character as teens for many of us ran into real life Osborns on our own travels. The fact that the Goblin was Osborn was a terrifying thing to us, for we understood he was "sick" and knew wanted to punnish Spiderman for not only what "he" was doing to his son, but how some perceived him to be a hero, which infuriated Goblin/Osborn. Osborn wanted to be a hero to his son. Marvel used GG sparingly in the years to come (not like the Joker or Dr. Doom type villians too often displayed), letting Osborn forget his "other" personality after the goblin's clash with Spidey left him with no memory of his secret back alley storage room with his little playthings . Years went by, Peter roomed with Harry, each had girlfriends who were friends themselves(Harry's was MJ, pete's Gwen )and all through those years, Norman Osborn was a ticking timebomb. He would look at Peter, and the boy's reaction would be, "Oh God, is he remembering?" We kept reaching into our pockets for our dimes and nickels and wanted more each month. We had to know how it all would turn out. When Harry started to flunk college, he turned to drugs, and Osborn started to lose it, and Marvel then did a legendary thing, a 3 part return of the Goblin story that didn't pull punches on it's dark tone, which included a hard look at drug addiction. This resulted in the Comics code authority refusing to approve it for publication! Marvel, which then had balls as well as true talent, published the story anyway (Amazing Spiderman 96, 97, 98). It was years in the pressure cooker for us as readers and we were about to watch it bubble over at last. Osborn finally regained his memory, and raced to that dark alley with Peter in pursuit of him, but it was too late, as Spidey entered the darkened room, there hovered the Goblin, saying he'd never leave that room alive. Part of the same story was Harry's overdose of drugs, and Peter and friends following doctor's orders to care for him. This led to the stunning conclusion of Spidey forcing the goblin to look into his son's bedroom window, to view him in his agony and fever, and that snapped the Goblin back to father mode and his Goblin side was suppressed. Spidey had won a victory, but it was understood to be just for a short time only. It would not end then. It was to be two years later that the entire Green Goblin story arc was to see an end (unheard of in a biz that never truly seems to conclude anything unless something doesn't sell) and that is when that pressure cooker didn't just boil over, it exploded. We all know it, we all remember how it shook us to our cores as kids, Hell, how many of us remember the letters Marvel received from people of all age groups shocked by its impact? I'm talking about issue 121 (and 122 for the conclusion). Harry's back on drugs and overdoses again, Osborn's other side awakens again and the Goblin races directly to Parker's apartment to murder him, but instead he finds...Gwen. The other story arc we'd read for many years that was the light to the dark of the Goblin one. Peter Parker and Gwen Stacey. When would they be married, damnit!! Read Amazing Spiderman 121 and you will find everything that made the series groundbreaking, it's all there. The turmoil of Peter's world, that being Spiderman is not that great at all, that indeed it did bring a danger to his loved ones. You'll also see Norman Osborn's world, you'll see he does love his son, but lord is he misguided, and you'll see what the Goblin character truly is, a spectre of vengeance stalking Spiderman. This villian does not want a bank to rob, he wants to murder his son's best friend. Then he'll be loved! Add to this another depiction of the evils of drug addiction and you've got a whole lot to think about if you were a kid back in the seventies. And then there's Gwen Stacey, and what the Goblin/ Spiderman relationship does to her. It affected me, like many many others, like no single comic book ever would again. Cudos to the old Marvel. Of course, in the next issue, Spiderman hunts down the Goblin and for all purposes, ends him. The final page was memorable, with nowhere else to go to grieve, Peter ends up at Mary Jane's apartment and collapses in tears (the actual start of a new relationship they were to have). There's a reason 121 goes for bigger bucks on ebay, just like there is for issue 39. Those Goblin stories rocked us as no other Spidey books did. They also weren't about an artist over induldging in anatomy or over the top marketing ploys passed off as stories. These characters lived on the page. We cared as much to see what happens in non fighting scenes as well as the action ones. So, please, I ask you consider this when talking about the goblin. He was and still is in our memories, so much more than a simple cliched crime boss. This guy lived next door.
All of the treatments to date are $hit. by dennis	Feb 9th, 2000 02:00:42 PM
Cameron's sucks. Koepp's sucks. Sure they have nice little "effects sequences" with all sort of cool shots and gimmicks. But they are missing the heart of Peter Parker. And both versions screw with the origin -- I just don't get it. He's got a whole cast of characters that are perfectly believable the way they are. They translate into the 90s just fine, but I have the feeling that they'll try to make it more "hip" (translated: contrived)and give all the characters some stupid, DATED 90s spin on them. If anything, I think they should leave Parker in the 50s/60s before they do that.
That treatment is terrible by TylerDurden81	Feb 9th, 2000 02:20:04 PM
Really, I've never read something so awful. Changing the origin a little is one thing, crossing Dick Grayson's origin with Frank Castle's is retarded.
What the fuck? by TylerDurden81	Feb 9th, 2000 03:14:14 PM
Why did my post responding to that Spider-man treatment way at the bottom come up first? Weird.
Bullshit by Spicolino	Feb 9th, 2000 03:28:31 PM
Hey, this Spider-Man movie is a Sony property, right? Well, Sony is in fucking Culver City, NOT Burbank. So this guy claiming to "run a comic store in Burbank" would not likely have Sam Raimi's people in Burbank, which is way the fuck away from Culver City, besides which, all of the superior comic stores are on Sony's side of the hill (Meltdown Comics, best example). So unless you have some good explanation or some extraordinary reason for believing this scumbag, I say he's whacking off his fanboy fantasy on the internet and fuck him.
Movie treatment by buddman	Feb 9th, 2000 03:39:49 PM
For a good idea of a movie treatment, why not check out the book "The Ultimate Spiderman"? If the origin story is going to be used, and Doc Ock's the villian, there's very good origin story that ties in Doc Ock with how Peter got his powers. Aside from some assholes just ranting to get a rise out of talk-backers, the consensus of us fans seems to be that we just want a faithful adaptation of our friendly wall crawler and will be very happy if this turns out to be the case. I think the origin story does play a powerful part in how Spidey came to be. It shouldn't take more than a half-hour of screen time if done right, and that leaves at least an hour left for further action. It seems that Sony, Sam, pa's et al. are treading carefully with this property. I think this is good for them because if they do this right there is no way they won't have a cash cow franchise. I think this is good for us because hopefully they will take the time and do the work to give as the Spiderman we want to see. Just me thoughts. Buddman
The Ultimate 5-Movie Spidey arc by Fo	Feb 9th, 2000 03:55:41 PM
Here it is 1- Origin. Players: Spidey, Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Gwen Stacy, Doctor Octavius, JJJ. Plot: PP goes to see the science show, explosion, bite, Spidey becomes the hero (power and responsibility crap) and Doc Oc becomes the evil genius. Big fight in NY. JJJ hates spidey, because JJJ had an editorial that proved wrong. II-Spidey, May, Gwen, Mary Jabe, JJJ, and some guy named Norman Osbourn. Plot: Green Goblin/NO is a bad guy who is trying to destroy the competition for Norman Osbourns corporation. Spidey follows him and they have it out, Spidey wins, disgraces Norman (1st part) Second, GG kidnaps Gwen Stacy cause he knows who Spidey is and kills her. Spidey and GG fight it out, GG seemingly is impaled by his flyer. All the while, PP was researching this black ooze from a strange meteorite that had fallen in upstate NY. Debut the black costume for the final fight! III- TWO WORDS....VENOM! IV- TWO WORDS....VENOM AND CARNAGE! V- After Maximum Carnage (the 4th movie) The Green Goblin returns to mess up Parker's life. He's framed for all sorts of stuff, all the while trying to get rid of the Spidey suit. In the end, though, it comes to blows between Normal Osbourn, his son, and PP. In the end, the son is dead, the father is gone, and PP marries Mary Jane. All is well.... Those are 5 movies, all action-packed, all loyal to the comics, all merchadise friendly (Black costume in part II!) You have a hot blonde (Gwen) then a red head (Mary Jane) Venom, Carnage, GG, Doc Oc, Heck, even divert a bit from the thing and make GG's son the Hobgoblin instead of a second Green Goblin. Teen angst turns into young adult angst into love and finally stability. Plus, two venom movies, a venom villian and a venom sort of friend. I mean, the ultimate comic book movie has to be the Spidey/Venom/Carnage showdown.
Fuck the 5 movie storyline by TylerDurden81	Feb 9th, 2000 04:15:57 PM
They should concentrate on making one good one first. All this sequel talk makes me sick. Focus on the task at hand.
Problem with web slinging by PeterMiller	Feb 9th, 2000 04:33:54 PM
The only problem I have with the original story, is that your average 19-20 year old science student does not have the knowledge to build a new material stronger that rope or steel out of nothing. So why not give Spidey the natual ability as part of his powers to generate this material? Where some people have complained is that this would take the science edge away from Peter. No problem.....just have him not able to shoot the web substance at all! He'd have to build a projection system to propel this stuff, otherwise it would just drool out. This seems a little more credible, and would take care of some questions like: "Hey, where does he keep all that stuff? He just swung from one end of the city to another, how much has he got?" This would also need Peter to eat a lot of a given substance to produce the web.....sugar, fat, carbs, protien, whatever. I know it really differs from the original story, but it might work better on film. Thoughts?
I hope to never see Venom or Carnage in a Spiderman movie. by dennis	Feb 9th, 2000 05:26:16 PM
Talk about two piece'o'$hit villians! They really took the character in the wrong direction. You do not need a dark, edgy version of Spiderman. You can find that with several other Marvel heroes like Wolverine and The Punisher, for example. Stan Lee has said over and over again the purpose of creating Spiderman was to contrast all of the popular heroes of the day, which were larger-than-life. Parker is a NORMAL GUY who is given amazing powers, but end the end comes to the realization that "with great power comes great responsibility." If Sam Raimi can stay true to that statement, then I'll think we'll be in business.
Just one villian by Cicero	Feb 9th, 2000 05:36:00 PM
I've had it with this two villians or more shit. It's been done to death by the batman movies. Has anyone learned? The main problem with flops like Batman & Robin was that they had WAY TOO MANY characters. I liked that suggestion I read above about just having one villian and it being Kingpin. In my mind he's always been one of the best villians in the Marvel universe and would be perfect for the pilot Spidey movie because a) instead of wasting time trying to explain the villian's origin, we can instead focus on Spider-Man 's origin and transition to super-hero b) Kingpin, unlike Sandman and Green Goblin, could be a much more plausible villian in a live-action film. Think about it. Green Goblin dresses up in ridiculous green tights riding around on some ridiculous jet surf board, I can already picture the audience's laughing at the preview. Sandman would not only look stupid on screen but he's also not a great villian in of himself. Mr. Raimi, your story may very well be up there, use it.
Cicero, the Green Goblin is scary. by dennis	Feb 9th, 2000 06:34:11 PM
The Goblin is nightmare scary, whereas Kingpin is real world scary. That green bastard freaked me out as a kid. Properly lit (and with some of the colors toned down) I think it could be dreafully frightening!!! I'm picturing something along the lines of makeup similar to that greepy little sidekick of Darkness in Legend.
Am I the only person in the world who LIKES "orgainc webbing"?! by Tall_Boy	Feb 9th, 2000 09:59:36 PM
I kinda liked the theme that Cameron was trying to get across in the scriptment: Spidey becoming a freak as a metaphor for going into puberty and growing up. Being a teenager can make you feel like an outsider and Spidey can work into that. Peter Parker, supreme geek, can only really come alive as your cocky nieghbourhood Spider-Man but deep down, he's afraid he might be revealed as a freak of nature. Sure, some parts of the scriptment need to be fixed (the whole Spider mating on the bridge sequence, etc.) but all in all, I thought it was a nice reinvention of the comics mythos. I'm probably a lone voice here, but hey, I'm not out to make friends here, just state my 2 cents. . .
I got two words for ya: STEVE DITKO! by Bosko	Feb 9th, 2000 11:22:03 PM
I just hope the moviemakers check out the first 40 issues of SpiderMan, drawn by the only guy who truly captured the essence of the character, Sturdy Steve Ditko. Then they would get excited by the film noir possibilities of Spidey, and they'd scrap the idea of computer-generated super villains and go for gangsters, two-bit crooks, burglars and thugs on the waterfront instead...
Some thoughts on web slinging... by MrBadExample	Feb 10th, 2000 12:00:02 AM
I'm not sure what the comic books say about Spideys web dispenser things, but the Fox series said that the spider bite gave him "...an instinctive knowledge of the compounds involved..." Seems reasonable enough to me. I'm just worried they won't computer animate the webbing, so we'll have to watch some guy shooting Silly String on the baddies. If they screw up the last great untapped super-hero, Boss Sony's got an ass-whoopin' coming...
Spidey Science by Bono	Feb 10th, 2000 12:47:07 AM
Spidey's webshooter is one of the elements that make the comic book cool! Why do so many of you "fans" insist on stuff being "realistic"? It's almost as if you are actually ASHAMED of the comics...even though you read them. COMIC BOOK SUPERHEROES HAVE INHERENT SILLY ELEMENTS...and isn't that part of their charm? Does Superman's cape make any sense? It's useless! Batman's cowl? In reality only a moron would wear that to fight crime AT NIGHT! And Spidey's costume...who would deliberately wear something that looks like that? There is a reason that these characters are featured in COMIC BOOKS, folks. Ya gotta love 'em for those reasons!
The PERFECT Spider-Man story arc. by AceWpK	Feb 10th, 2000 06:38:20 AM
First and foremost, most people are right when they say that before talking about sequels, Raimi and Co. have to make sure that the FIRST picture kicks ass. That having been said... There are two major rules which must be followed in the making of a successful Spider-Man film. 1.)IT MUST BE FAITHFUL TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL. Spidey has one of the most rock solid backstories in all of comics, very specific and linear. There is no need to change any large chunks of it (ESPECIALLY with that organic webbing crap) and doing so would alienate the rabid fanboy base for the character. Sony has to please the die-hard Spidey fans if they want to create a viable franchise. 2.)THE FILM MUST BE FUNNY: Not stupid, haha, campy, Batman and Robin horrible, Joel Schumacher deserves to die "funny", but supremely, supremely witty. Spidey is one of the most legitimately witty superheroes ever created, and probably the only one manages to remain badass while cracking jokes. This ain't the Bat, folks. Is Spidey a little creepy? By the very nature of his distinct powers, yes. Is he dark and twisted? Not at all, except maybe for that Death of Harry Osborne's Green Goblin/Vermin series that ran in "The Spectacular Spider-Man" a few years back. Whoever wrote that (I forget who at the moment) is one twisted, twisted man. As for a Spidey film arc... I agree almost completely with the story arcs proposed earlier in Talkback, with a few minor changes. Film 1.) Origin story, with Doc Ock. Spidey wrestlest, Uncle Ben is shot, Doc Ock goes on a rampage, "with great power comes great responsibility". We meet Peter's friends and supporting cast, so instrumental to the entire Spider series. The "new" comic origin, which is faithful to the original except it makes Doc Ock the scientist working on the experiment that produced the radioactive Spider, is probably the best way to go. Film 2.) The Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacey. Probably one of the most powerful storylines in comics, ever. Set the stage for the tragic, personally set-upon superhero that's oh-so popular today. And the dynamic between Norman, Harry, Peter and Gwen would drive this film and make it particularly powerful. And I don't care what anyone says, the Green Goblin is the most psychotically frightning villain since the Joker. Film 3.) What everyone is waiting for... VENOM! Oh hell yeah! Actually, doing a Venom film is tough, just because of all of the backstory involved in the alien costume. Fortunately, the villain himself doesn't need much of a set-up once he gets his claws on the symbiote. Venom's master plan: Kill Spidey. Simple yet effective. (One of the WORST things Marvel ever did was make Venom some sort of anti-hero. He was so much better as the Parker obsessed Eddie Brock.) In the very least, this film would be a great vehicle to feature the Fantastic Four. While some may claim them to be extraneous, the FF have always been key players in the Venom storylines. The only problem here is that somewhere between 2 and 3 Mary Jane's and Peter's relationship would have to be established, to make Venom's psycholgical rape of MJ (in his first appearance) all the more effective. In that case, you could switch film 3 with film 4 in the cycle, which should feature... Film 4.) THE SINISTER SIX! This is where I differ in opinion with most. Doc Ock, Mysterio, Hobgoblin, Sandman, Electro and the Vulture. Except for Doc Ock, these classic Spidey villains probably don't have the strength to carry an entire film on their own, but are still cool enough to be represented. Is oversaturation an issue? Maybe. But if done right, this could make for a supremely cool entry in an established franchise, and a light chapter in the middle of Spidey's heavier sagas. One of the biggest problems of the last Bat movie (besides the fact that the script SUCKED) was it's reliance on second-string vilains. Freeze and Ivy are pretty cool, but c'mon. They ain't no Penguin, they ain't no Catwoman, they ain't no Riddler, and they sure as hell ain't no Joker. But all these Spided second stringers together make them a legit force to be reckoned with. (C'mon, who out there actually BELIEVES that Electro could carry a film?) Oh, and Doc Ock can come back because Spidey NEVER kills a villain. Film 5.) Carnage and Venom. Probably the coolest one-two punch, and the only legitimate reason why Spidey should EVER fight on the same side as Venom. And I'm not talking about Maximum Carnage. That was just an excuse to see how many lame unused Marvel heroes and villains could be packed into twelve part miniseries. I'm talking about Carnage's sweet three-issue introduction. Short, simple, and to the point. Aside from these five stories, you could probably do one about Harry Osborne's descent into the Green Goblin, but that just seem a rehash of the story with his father. I stopped reading the comics after they cloned Spidey (terrible) and kept putting him up against clones of Venom's symbiote (also terrible). Even though, to be honest, I kinda liked the Scarlet Spider, especially when he fought Venom. Best "Web of Spider-Man" issues ever. Hey, sorry if I was a little long-winded, but I've been mulling over this for awhile, and I REALLY don't want these Spidey movies to suck. If anyone has any comments, feel free! Excelsior! -Ace
One as one and one as the other!! by The Equalizer	Feb 10th, 2000 12:49:39 PM
I read somewhere - I don't know where - that Spidey would be split into 2 roles. Get some gimp to play Peter Parker, and as the rumour went - get JET LI to play the ole Web Slinger himself. This I would regard as a perfectly resplendant idea. So come on Sam - I know you're reading this - get your arse into gear and employ Jet Li. And while you are there, get Bruce Campbell to play all of the other characters - we all know how versatile an actor he is!!!
Keep it simple by Booster66	Feb 10th, 2000 01:07:34 PM
One Villian... the Goblin (he's "the" classic spidey villan with the exception of mabye Doc Oct. New script (both Koepp and Cameron missed the boat, really missed it, I mean they weren't even near an ocean) Peter Paker... needs to have his orgin in tact and should be and akward kid (not teen pin-up actor) and for Gods sake just keep it simple and TAKE THE STORY FROM THE FREAKIN SOURCE MATERIAL AND DON'T CHANGE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS FOR USELESS (a.k.a "more marketable")REASONS!!! Spiderman is one of the big comic 3 (Batman Superman, Spiderman) He's a classic character. All of us have wanted to see him on the big screen for years, and I for one will be really dissapointed if the Spiderman I get see on movie screen isn't the Spidey I've grown to love in the comics. If it's a Spidey they've "re-adapted to make more appealing" or "updated for today's hip youth..." or some bullshit like that well then I for one see another "Batman and Robin" clusterf#$K on the horizon. Not Spidey.... any character but him. Mr. Rami and Co. just put what was in the books (or it's real essence) on the screen and you'll have a huge hit on your hands.
Thanks by knightwng	Feb 10th, 2000 09:02:46 PM
Damn skippy! Thanks for steering them straight.
umm,Spider-Man? by MrMajestyk	Feb 10th, 2000 11:53:13 PM
Looky here,none 'o dis bullshit is necessary!First of all,everyone seems to be responding to this fool(I don't even see his post anywhere,anyway)and that's exactly what he wants you to do.Who cares, he's a moron.Secondly, getting worried about Spider-Man is a waste of time.I love Spider-Man as much as the next motherfucker, but we can't do anything about our worries.Sam Raimi has done some good work,(A Simple Plan comes to mind as being excellent)but the guy is hit-or-miss.As for his lackeys checking in with comic store owners, that doesn't seem to hurt the process any.Third,talk of changing the origin is inevitable,but there should be no mention of Carnage anywhere near this film.I'm embarrassed I know who Carnage is.I also believe Peter Parker not stopping the man who kills his uncle and his resulting guilt and lesson learned is carved in stone.Lastly,I want to comment on John Byrne.I read one of these books and it crushed me.The man responsible for creating my image of what the FF and X-Men(especially Storm) should like and later his great work on his own Next Men(which dealt very seriously with topics like abortion,rape,corruption)is now a hack.Do you realize this whore actually said he went back to do Wonder Woman and Spider-Man because he had "played with almost all of toys" and wanted to try the few he didn't get the chance to write and draw?That shit broke my heart(and lots of other Next Men fans who don't eat up everything he does)and I lost a lot of respect for him.Fuck him.What I don't get is how this site is constantly over-analyzing the latest details of these huge budget superhero movies which are almost definitely going to end up disappointing lots of people when ANOTHER comic book film is underway with a great director,great source material,and good actor attached.Confused?The film is GHOST WORLD.The director is Terry Zwigoff,the source material is Daniel Clowes' Eightball,and Thora Birch(American Beauty) is one of the two leads.Terry Zwigoff directed CRUMB,which if you havent seen yet,is an excellent and disturbing documentary on the life,carreer and family of 60's underground comix artist R.Crumb.I agree with the other poster who said Love and Rockets,Preacher,Land of Nod,etc. are great examples of what this artform can do.Watchmen and Sandman are two of the single greatest stories I have ever read,in any medium,period.We need to start focusing on the real elements here,story and characters,not sequels and how many villains.It's also a travesty if R.Lee Ermey(Full Metal Jacket,Dead Man Walking) doesn't play JJJ.That's it,any feedback would be welcome.Peace.
spidey by Asylum	Feb 11th, 2000 02:34:26 AM
Who else thinks that Edward Norton would be the perfect Peter Parker\Spidey... he has the perfect build and peter-like personality. I am just scared that they are going to get Leo or Chris O'donnel and ruin this project... Oh well.
Norton as Spidey by CmmsnrGordon	Feb 13th, 2000 10:31:04 PM
Heres the deal...with the appointment of Raimi as director all spiderman fans should have hope for a kick ass film. Raimi has shown he can do believable special effects on a much lower scale budget and will inject just the right amount of humor and authenticity to the film (just check Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness). This film should be what Marvel uses to boost a back to basics approach to Spidey, instead of all that Mackie/Byrne shit they've been peddling. NOW the hard part finding Peter/Spidey. Well look no further Ed Norton is the man for the job. Sure he is a little old, but this is an actor of the quality of a young Deniro, capable of doing anything. He also has the perfect look and if you don't believe that just look at Fight Club or Larry Flynt. And finally, please no VENOM and don't start out with MJ! At least until the third film. The Goblin and Doc Ock are the real Spidey villans (but Sandman and Electro are the coolest henchmen). Besides Gwen Stacy is Peters first love and she and her death are neccessary to give Peter that final lesson which elevates him to the role of real hero. Just my two cents.
the greatest spidey story by Silverage	Feb 14th, 2000 10:56:47 AM
take it from an old guy who has read the whole asm run [thru 400, anyway]----the best of all the plot/storylines was in #31-33. The books themselves were cinematic to a great extent, and they would translate to an incredible movie hook. any self-professed spideyophile who isn't aware of the story, run over to your back-issue shop and buy some ragged out issues--or, pick up the masterwork with 31-40 in it. i'm waiting for this movie with peerless eyes and baited breath, but am set up for quite a fall if they botch it.

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