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The Current Slate For Tim Burton

bastards by reni	Jan 7th, 2000 06:21:30 AM
None of friends liked Dogma, and now they've seen it, they don't like Sleepy Hollow either... Bastards!!!
Well me and my mate like them both... by I'mAlanPartridge	Jan 7th, 2000 06:29:24 AM
But I only say liked. They were both distinctly not coming into the category, "Very Good." I'm still in artistic shock over Fight Club I think.
Lincoln and Tim do Burton by DarthRitz	Jan 7th, 2000 06:33:40 AM
Sorry to hear Mr. Burton isn't working on any "real" projects, but the hot gossip over at countingdown.com is Lincoln's crush on Tim Burton. According to my sources, Mr. Gasking has fanboy pics of Mr. Burton hanging on all the available wallspace. Mr. Doyle came home to find this and a HUGE sissy fight ensued. They currently aren't speaking and are sharing custody of their poodle, Mr. Frou Frou. Further news as events warrant.
Tim Burton is not the greatest filmmaker alive, but tha he is da by Dodge Manhunter	Jan 7th, 2000 06:51:21 AM
Let's be honest. The guy needs a break. He has been doing classic after classic (I haven't watched Sleepy Hollow it opens in Brazil only in february) and is one of the most talented crafters of style. Okay, "Batman" was a weak movie, but "Returns" was the best of the "Shitty Bunch"(okay... I Am a living contradiction... "...mas prefiro ser uma metamorfose ambulante..."). But my curiosity goes to the production of a new stop motion film produced by Burton. I hated him for a while because he choose CGI over SM in MARS ATTACKS!(Marte Ataca), but the effects turned out to be great. And the film too. A modern classic of COOL filmaking!!! The anti-INDENPENCE DAY!!! But coming back to earth(wait... aren't we going to see two Mars suckafests next year? 2000 will be a cruel year for SCI-FI. Worst than 1999.) .. But coming back again... What do you prefer folks? CGI or good old stop-motion? I have to say that I love both, but CGI has yet to be mastered by a lot of directors!!! I don't admire Spielberg's entire work as a director, but the damn guy knows his shit when it comes to CGI!!! Cameron is almost there... He is too much of a pseudo-perfectionist to grow as an director. David Fincher, even not being a master "da linguagem do cinema" is a great director with a good eye for CGI. But the living master of using CGI(as director, not taking credit from the special effects team) has to be ROBERT ZEMECKIS! I hate FORREST GUMP, but I have to say that the CGI work is incredible! A masterpiece of special effects! The same goes for the incredible effects of CONTACT!!! Man, this movie effects were worthy of an OSCAR. But they choose to nominate JP2 and STARSHIP TROOPERS over it and give the prize to TITANIC. Great...choose an almost perfect over PERFECTION. But the effects master of all time is still RAY and STOP-MOTION rules!!! And I Am a rumbling esquizofrenic brazillian humanoid!!! mail:daviop@conex.com.br
The Naked Civil Servant by Bryan	Jan 7th, 2000 07:10:13 AM
Hmm, I wonder if there was any truth to that column that said Burton was considering adapting Quentin Crisp's autobiography _The Naked Civil Servant_. I haven't read the book but from what I gather it sounds like a fitting but new topic for Burton. And maybe even another good one for Depp to star in.
Well he's been busy at Sotheby's by zinger	Jan 7th, 2000 07:13:38 AM
Tim Burton should do another stop motion. Period. If any question to their longevity in appeal and rabid fan base I point only to his recent auction of props (and not much in way of puppets) and a few miscellaneous items from TNBC.There were about 15 lots from his personal collection, the thrust being different sized and scaled renderings of Jack Skellington's house. I was blown away at the last minute bidding for virtually every piece save for a few truly odd pieces. I motivated after not coming close on a character auctioned on ebay from the first and only auction of memorobilia 8 0r 9 years ago found out about the Sotheby's @Amazon and whoa trust me there are fans galore who were so taken by the detailed, skilled craftsmanship of the
Burton/Depp by Dodge Manhunter	Jan 7th, 2000 07:19:38 AM
I haven't seen that level of chemistry between a director and an actor since JAMES STEWART/FRANK CAPRA, JAMES STEWART/HITCHCOCK, HENRY FONDA/SERGIO LEONE(They did only two movies together, but they kick ass), EASTWOOD/LEONE, DeNIRO/SCORCESE. Well... You got the point.
Sotheby's continued by zinger	Jan 7th, 2000 07:24:59 AM
oops gotta watch where I rest my palm....Anyway big bucks. I bailed after 7k on two Xmas trees and Sandy's elves asleep in a wood carved bed with a snowman headboard...went for nearly 9k. Point is the adoration of a film can easily be monitored by the clamor for anything original related to that film. Movie poster collecting also a barometer. The skill, detail and loving craftsmanship in bringing the charactrers to life made from foam, styrene, wood and such is a testament to Burton's care in delivering top notch craft and storytelling to last the ages. Watch TNBC again, it never ceases to amaze, and charm. And hey Tim the backend garage sales are no small shakes either. Take a break and come back with your sleight of hand that brings life to the inanimate and joy to zillions of which I proudly include myself.
Thanks, Zinger by Dodge Manhunter	Jan 7th, 2000 07:34:18 AM
Thanks a lot! You bring calm to a tormented soul! A soul that couldn't go on with his life thinkin that one of the last STOP-MOTION freak had abandoned us!!!TIM BURTON rules!!! SAM RAIMI rules!!! STOP-MOTION FREAKS RULES! Thank again, Zinger! Now I can sleep. On the other side, I agree that he is a passionate director. A thing that is rare(not so rare as some think, but rare) in the filmmaking world! He has love, is creative and knows the craft... What more can you ask from a director? On the other hand, EDGARD, "Edward" is my favorite Burton film, too!!! Man. What a incredible movie. Simple and well done. on the other hand... I should be convicted to dead for doing a BATMAN cinema series joke with a Peckinpah refeence! Damn me! LOL
"On the other hand"? by Dodge Manhunter	Jan 7th, 2000 07:39:20 AM
"On the other hand, on the other hand, on the other hand"! How many hands do I have? Am I a mutant? No just plain stupid that is! Not the stupidiest guy to come to talk, but damn well near it. But I forgive myself. Dodge, you sucker, I forgive you!
DAREDEVIL: Wrong again. by Dodge Manhunter	Jan 7th, 2000 07:44:15 AM
I didn't worte on the other hand... It was "on the other side"! Man. I I Am not that stupid, but I Am going blind!!! When does the DAREDEVIL casting begins? I Am almost ready, baby!
No Naked Civil Servant by Michael-Jason	Jan 7th, 2000 07:46:21 AM
Mr Burton cackled like a madman when asked if he was considering an adaptation of The Naked Civil Servant. Never even heard of the idea. He believes there must be some alternative Tim Burton out there signing him up for random films. So I guess that rules out the Sabrina The Teenage Witch project then.
Oz? by Teko	Jan 7th, 2000 08:04:11 AM
Jeez....Tim Burton decides to take a year off and Talk Back is suddenly filled with Burton-haters. I personally think he's a brilliant visual storyteller, and I'm wondering about his involvment in the "Oz" TV show...wasn't he producing this?
Have a good vacation, Tim by Nordling	Jan 7th, 2000 09:05:09 AM
Love him or hate him, he is the only director out there right now that has a distinctive voice in American film - you know what you're getting when you see a Tim Burton film. A lot of other directors change directions more often than they change underwear, but Timmy is still that kid in the closet reading his Famous Monsters of Filmland by the eerie glow of the glow-in-the-dark Frankenstein. That's fine my me. Hmmm, Frankenstein...love to see Burton tackle that one...
NORDLING by happydude	Jan 7th, 2000 10:45:41 AM
Tim Burton is great for what he does. But come on. He's not the ONLY director with a distinctive American voice. Personal preference is fantastic and I am all for it. Now go watch anything by Martin Scorsese, Joel Coen, Spike Lee, Roger Corman, Woody Allen, Sam Raimi, David Fincher, George Lucas, Robert Altman, Quentin Tarantino, Francis Coppola, David Lynch. These are all live working directors. They may not make the most accessible films anymore, but even bad stuff by them is distinctive. And still visually good. And I think Fincher and Lynch are in as creative a space now as they've ever been. ONLY distinctive voice, indeed.
C'mon Tim, did Roger Corman ever take a year off? by SCOTT1458	Jan 7th, 2000 10:51:55 AM
Well regardless, I love every Tim B movie, and yes I know he has his critics, fine. To be honest, I don't care for David Fincher. Seven is a piece of shit from the nine inch nails credits to the lame ass ending. So take a break Tim and spend some time with that beautiful girlfriend of yours...
Stop Motion by Trompe LeMonde	Jan 7th, 2000 11:13:25 AM
Didn't Mars Attacks originally begin production with SM animation used for the alien effects?
MARS ATTACKS! began production as STOP-MOTION by Dodge Manhunter	Jan 7th, 2000 12:01:02 PM
Yeah. But TIM BURTON accepted the changes and dismissed the STOP MOTION crew. ILM presented CGI MARTIAMS that could emulate the SM frame by frame effect!
What about Beetlejuice 2? by DIEHARDBRUCEFAN	Jan 7th, 2000 01:40:48 PM
I thought Burton and Keaton were developing a sequel to Beetlejuice. Like I've said before, Warner Bros. should just give Burton and Keaton whatever $$$ they want so we can stop dickin' around with these lame-ass Batman movies and get back to what was great about the first two--BURTON, KEATON, AND DANNY ELFMAN!!! What are they fuckin' STUPID!!?? DIEHARDBRUCEFAN@HOTMAIL.COM
Bloody hell, if I had Lisa Marie around, I'd take a year off, to by Horseflesh	Jan 7th, 2000 01:56:23 PM
Jesus, I'd take two years, I'd retire! Can you blame the man?
Disappointment of the Year ? by thebernards	Jan 7th, 2000 02:00:37 PM
This may have been one of Tim Burton's greatest achievments, but the screenplay was nothing to brag about, and unfortunately even Burton's marvelous direction couldn't make this bizarre, pointless rewrite of a truly classic tale worth sitting through. I have to admit that I'm by no means a huge Tim Burton fan. I don't have anything against him particularly, in fact I was excited by the knowledge that he was doing a Sleepy Hollow film, but his style is a bit more campy than I generally prefer. I am a big fan of Johnny Depp, however, and upon seeing a list of the cast members, as well as experiencing the stunning previews , Sleepy Hollow quickly became the second most anticipated movie of the year for me (after Phantom Menace). And I have to say that, like TPM, it was rather disappointing. I think everything is good about this movie with the exception of one thing: the story. Why'd they have to change it? After seeing it, I have to admit that the Walt Disney version is much more successful at capturing the spirit of the tale. It isn't easy for me to be so critical, given all of the outstanding elements in the movie -- scenery, acting, soundtrack, etc. But it just didn't work for me. Harry wrote somewhere that they were aiming for a "Hammer Film" kind of feel, and if that's the case, then they may have succeeded. Those films often tended to be more about the scenery than a great story, but while I've often enjoyed falling asleep to those films late on a Saturday night at home, I wasn't real interested in falling asleep at the movies.
So what happened with... by Devils Halo	Jan 7th, 2000 02:18:55 PM
Beetlejuice 2? (not that i wanted it to be made) Catwoman? (now this would have been interesting) The Man with X-ray Eyes (another interesting flick) Superman? (thank god he's NOT doing it) I don;t know... and I guess I don't care.. I'm just bored here at the studio. As for 'Lost in Oz,' it's one thing to be an exec. producer... another to be actually directing, which he is not. Besides.. it's just a pilot.
Astro Burton by Thunderball	Jan 7th, 2000 03:36:14 PM
I like the idea of Tim Burton doing Astroboy. Astroboy should be a visual treat and Burton's such a visual artist. I'm sure he's a fan of the cartoon because wasn't there an Astroboyish looking logo in city scape shots in the "Batman Returns" film?
Superman has just escaped a deadly foe more lethal than Green Kr by Bono	Jan 7th, 2000 04:50:50 PM
Thank God Burton isn't touching SUPERMAN. The lingering "creative" stench of his work on the BATMAN films seems to have permanently tainted comic book movies. He should stick to art directing.
Do Something, Tim! by Buzz Maverik	Jan 7th, 2000 06:10:07 PM
Take a year off? Modern directors are pussies! Under the studio system, guys like John Ford, Victor Flemming and Howard Hawkes made two or three movies a year. I have to go to work every day, why shouldn't Tim Burton? That said, I love everything Tim Burton has done and I know that there are a lot of terrific projects he could be doing. He'd be perfect for Spider-Man. Much better than Raimi and Spiderman suits him much better than Superman ever did.
What about Sherlock Holmes and the Vengeance of Dracula? by riskebiz	Jan 7th, 2000 06:19:13 PM
I mean why not? Sherlock Holmes and the Vengeance of Dracula is the sort of property that is custom made for Tim Burton. I can't think of any other director better suited to take on that movie. I'd rather that than the Quentin Crisp movie from him, that's for sure.
No more Burton on Superman...thank god! Bring on Nicholas Meyer! by KingKrypton	Jan 7th, 2000 08:35:37 PM
That snivelling, egomaniacal hack Burton would have just perverted Superman into his own wapred and weird goth freak thing instead of making a movie about the iconic character we know and love. We need a director who knows story and knows how to handle established properties with respect. There's only one guy I'd trust to WRITE and DIRECT a new Superman film franchise...STAR TREK vet Nicholas Meyer. His style is perfect for Superman. And while we're at it, let's fire Jon Peters and get Donner in the producer's chair. Let's see a good Superman movie, not a warped goth piece of trash! Burton should go to Image, where he'd fit in just fine, and couldn't screw anything up because it already stinks.
THIS is how Sleepy Hollow sucks... (SPOILERS for you foriegn fan by Chthonico	Jan 7th, 2000 08:59:44 PM
POINTLESS CHARACTERS- what exactly was the purpose of Casper Van Dien's character? He does nothing but act like a jerk in one scene then suddenly turns heroic (I guess) then is killed. All Ricci's character does is pout in a corset and cop a bad English accent- she's not even interesting as a love interest. The witch in the woods? Nice scare but, again, is basically a throw-away. DUMB-ASS SCOOBY DOO ENDING- and she would have gotten away with it too if it were'nt for those meddling kids! Then that lackluster chase sequence...ugh! Boring! CHARACTER INCONSISTENCY- Ichabod is scared silly by a bug then suddenly can muster the courage to help fight the horseman then, a couple scenes later, is a screaming little bitch again. What? Either he's a coward or he's not. He can grow out of it- but you can't have him revert back so quickly. UNFORGIVABLE SADISM- you simply don't set up a scene with a cute kid and his adoring parents then lop their heads off. Wasn't it bad enough that the kid sees his parents killed (with his mother's severed head staring at him through the floor boards)? Apparently not- the horseman has to discover the kid and decapitate him too. Nice, Tim. Thanks a lot you sick fuck. Oh and that blood in the face bit just kept getting funnier, too. Hey I'm a Burton fan and was eagerly awaiting this pic like everyone else. But I'm not such a ignorant mall rat that I can be so easily seduced by fantastic photography, production design, and killer cast credits. You have to have a story AND logical consistency to be a masterpiece. That's why Nightmare Before Christmas was such a yawn. Beautiful to look at but the story drags and the songs (mostly) are too flat. SIGH... Let's hope Burton uses his vacation time to come up with ORIGINAL ideas so he can stop making big-budget b-film homages.
Sleepy Hollow is Sleep inducing by Superunknown	Jan 7th, 2000 09:50:53 PM
Looked pretty - shite plot. End Result: you can't polish a turd, not even if your as talented as Tim Burton
Mars Attacks and Plastic Man by user id indeed!	Jan 7th, 2000 10:08:54 PM
Actually,Tim Burton was gonna do Mars Attacks in stop-motion(which is ok,as long as they do it right),but didn't because the martians wore those clear helmets and the puppeteers' fingerprints got on them when they moved the heads around,so he switched to CGI, which can also be good if they do it right.Did you see Anaconda?Holy shit!!That snake looked fucking retarded!!!They'd do better with a sock puppet..er,back to what I was saying.Also,I got this book,The 50 Greatest Movies Never Made,about movies stuck in development hell.It mentioned a film that never got around,called Plastic Man.It was gonna be directed by Burton,and star Paul"Public Masturbation"Reubens as a superhero with stretchy-powers.Too bad that was never made.It also mentions a movie called Swirlee,about a crimelord made of ice cream.I'd pay to see that.Oh,it also mentions everyone's favorite life-size love doll,Harry Knowles!Congrats to you,Har.Can I call you Har?Tanks.
Hail KingKrypton! He Speaks The Truth: "And while we're at it, l by Bono	Jan 7th, 2000 10:15:21 PM
Hail KingKrypton! He Speaks The Truth: "And while we're at it, let's fire Jon Peters and get Donner in the producer's chair. Let's see a good Superman movie, not a warped goth piece of trash! "
Tim Burton Makes GREAT Tim Burton Movies... by Bono	Jan 7th, 2000 10:20:36 PM
...but you can't expect them to stand on their own (in terms of story, pacing, logic, suspense...). I enjoy BATMAN as a "Tim Burton movie"...but as a movie about Batman, the D.C. Comics character, it sucks!
Burton by Lester Diamond	Jan 8th, 2000 01:10:57 AM
Has anyone ever read his poetry? My friend had a book of it, and I can't really figure out if I liked it or not. Really Burtonian stuff. One of the poems was something like: "HIS NAME WAS THE HIDEOUS PENGUIN BOY" by Tim Burton but his friends called him Jimmy. And that's the whole thing. I liked SLEEPY HOLLOW. Thank you, Timmy, for finally (SPOILER) killing the kid. Burton also did the two coolest Batman scenes ever. The Joker throwing money at people, and all those cool guys on motorcycles coming out of that big box. Don't you think it's funny that Andrew Kevin Walker has worked with two AICN wet dreams (Fincher and Burton) and one AICN nightmare (Schmuckmaker)? CAN YOU FEEL ME LOOKING IN YOU?
Heres to a year free of pain! by desslok	Jan 8th, 2000 01:57:21 AM
Taking a year off? There is a god! Burton is one of the worst no tallent hacks in Hollywood to come along in years. Every one of his films is all style, no substance. ("ooh, we'll put up some lovely looking sets, and nobody will notice the lack of script!") I would rather scoop my eyeballs out with a spoon, mush them up, and eat them served on toast than watch how Burton was planning to dry hump Superman up the butt. Nick Cage indeed - sheesh. . .
Okay by Kiwi-1	Jan 8th, 2000 06:27:47 AM
I looked at this one, hoping to find some news of similar excitement to that when I first heard that he was doing Sleepy Hollow. But there's nothing. Oh well. I agree with Harry - I hope he relaxes, come up with some new ideas, maybe write some more of that wonderful poetry, and finds a perfect project to do. Man, I finally saw Sleepy Hollow today. Wow! Wonderful. Not his best, but pretty damn close. And for the first time in a Burton film, the story seemed to flow, and not just be an excuse for combining scenes. Until now, this was my only problem with Burton, but he's cracked it. But I'm still buzzing from Hollow. Incredible. I don't really know how to describe it. It's sort of a beautiful film, but then again, beautiful implies pretty, which it isn't. I don't know how to describe it - exquisite, richly detailed, just wonderful. May his next film, whenever he makes it and whatever it be, be as good as Hollow. And also, do the Burton art book. I would buy it in an instant. ***** http://vertigofilms.homestead. com/
Sweeney Todd by 0007	Jan 8th, 2000 01:13:18 PM
Okay, so he bought the rights to Sweeney Todd years ago. All he has to do is cast and film it amongst a few sets. The music is there, storyline, guaranteed good plot; It would not take much for him to bring it to his plate now. If he bought the rights, what is he waiting for on something so simple? That would be a perfect interim project.
Sweeney Todd would be great! by Elgyn6655321	Jan 8th, 2000 02:14:23 PM
I remember hearing about Tim doing a movie of "Sweeney Todd" a long, long time ago. I guess nothing ever happened with it. But it would be a GREAT movie, that`s for damn sure! As long as Andrew Kevin Walker doesn`t attempt to write it!
Leone/Fonda by DarkRealms	Jan 9th, 2000 01:45:46 AM
Dodge Manhunter, would you please let me know of the two movies that Fonda did with Leone? Leone's one of my favorite directors--but the only movie I've seen that they did together was Once Upon a Time in the West (which rocks). I had no idea they did another film together, and would be dying to see it!
SSZero by Elgyn6655321	Jan 10th, 2000 12:10:55 AM
My sendiments exactly. Tim Burton and Nic Cage are both ALL WRONG for Superman. I mean, come on, Nicolas Cage.....as Superman?? NOOOO! He`s pale and skinny and short! He`s NOT friggin` Superman. Now, Bruce Campbell, on the other hand......
Burton can do no wrong by darthflagg	Jan 10th, 2000 09:57:58 AM
Get a grip, people. If you don't like his movies, fine. Just watch that Matrix DVD a few hundred more times. Burton is a true artist. So what if he can't do plot? Some people appreciate movies for beautiful visuals, great music and weird characters. Burton ain't no hack - its people like Barry Sonenfeld who rip off his style without the substance. You'll be chasing Burton back up to his castle with torches next!
Well... by Elgyn6655321	Jan 11th, 2000 04:24:00 PM
Okay, so Bruce`s name has been thrown around a lot lately, but c'mon, he`d make an okay Superman. Better than Nic Cage!

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