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why oh why by kev	Jan 3rd, 2000 06:53:30 AM
a terminator movie without Arnie would be like........well.....ummm..... well, you know how the rest goes
NNNNOOOOOOOOOO by Swiss Toni	Jan 3rd, 2000 07:24:34 AM
Why oh why oh why can't these arseholes be satisfied. They've created two of the finest sci-fi films of the last century so why do they want to degrade their memory with two more? I don't want to judge things before they are released but it would clearly be a huge mistake. Look at Lethal weapon 3 and 4. Pants. Even if Arnie was in this film it would be crap because there can be nothing new from his character. We've seen his two sides: evil terminator and reprogrammed good cyborg. What else is there? And without the creative genius of Cameron it will probably flop quicker than an alcohol related erection. Please please please stop tarnishing the memories of superb film with sequels that aren't made out of artistic merit or the need for a story. You big wig fucks are making them to line your wallets and in the process ruining people's memories of two excellent films. We do not need another. Does anyone think they will be good, apart from Harry who'll no doubt love them for a brief period.
i think this is outdated - Cameron is not that stupid. by Best Boy	Jan 3rd, 2000 07:45:11 AM
I dont believe that James 'King of the World' Cameron is letting this happen at all. From what i've read, knowing that Arnie wouldnt play ball without Cameron involved, Vajna and Kassar sold out - Gale Anne Hurd's portion of the franchise is now back in safe hands and Cameron is developing the property appropriately. I say never fear!!
terminator franchise by mut77	Jan 3rd, 2000 07:49:13 AM
a terminator movie without arnie??? then why does he keep on saying 'i'll be back'?
no arnie?? by mut77	Jan 3rd, 2000 07:55:46 AM
i guess the immortal lines "i'll be back" weren't so immortal after all...
Not much of a franchise by dehayd	Jan 3rd, 2000 08:43:16 AM
Cameron would do well to distance himself from this mess. I predict that development on these lame sequels will continue, then somebody up the food chain will wake up and yank the funds for a theatrical release. The scripts will be rewritten, and Terminator: the Series will appear on USA Network's fall schedule. The ratings will be pretty good, and after a few seasons, there'll be a spin-off featuring a female terminator, titled Terminatrix. Overexposure will finally take hold and the whole thing will implode. (Highlander, anyone?) And I'll say, "Thank God." It was okay 10 years ago, but the Terminator thing is done, folks. It's over. I'd much rather see Cameron spend his time working on something new and different than a sequel to anything.
T3 by Cynic	Jan 3rd, 2000 08:54:51 AM
I think we may have gone this route before. Anyone remember Robocop 3? another good Franchise wasted.
They're going to make it regardless... by The Gline	Jan 3rd, 2000 09:27:54 AM
...and when that happens, we're going to be treated to two very, very lackluster movies. That's my prediction, anyway -- unless they find some way to breathe some life into it. They are also ignoring some real problems: How can the apocalypse take place in the third film if it's shown in the second that it isn't going to happen? They're going to need to do some wonderfully fast tap-dancing to get around that one. Not that it matters -- at this point my enthusiasm for projects like this has cooled down to somewhere below room temperature.
Silver lining by Owatonna	Jan 3rd, 2000 09:31:24 AM
Just be grateful Cameron, Arnie etc aren't going to be involved. Even if Cameron were in charge it would still be woeful - quite apart from the staleness of the franchise, he started to lose it with T2 and has been going downhill ever since. As it is, if nobody of any significance from the first two films is involved, these can be declared not to count and ignored. Personally I think all this weeping and wailing is a bit behind time anyway because the first sequel should never have been made, fun though it is, so when it comes to preserving unblemished memories of a great original the horse has quite definitely bolted.
I said it before, I'll say it again... by Portnoy	Jan 3rd, 2000 10:46:12 AM
They're going to fuck up the Terminator sequels so why not fuck them up well? All you need are two things: 1) Bruce Campbell as John Connor 2) Sam Raimi Directing If they do this, I won't even remember Cameron and Arnold.
I, too LOVED Tank Girl AND both Terminators, but dammit-- by Sith Lord Jesus	Jan 3rd, 2000 11:19:05 AM
--the last thing I want to see this year is a sequal to ANYTHING! Goddammit, enough with all the rehashing already! Let's see some NEW stuff out there. How many good, origional scripts--science fiction and otherwise--are being passed up by the studios because the suits just want to crank out the same old crap on the notion that since it's been done before it already has a built-in audience? Whatever! Remember ROBOCOP 3, anyone?! How about JAWS 3D?!? Screw the remakes, let's see something NEW in this new decade/century/whatever ya wanna call it! What about Harlan Ellison's excellent "I, Robot" script?! Why the hell isn't THAT in production?!? What about a movie of David Zindell's MOST magnificent "The Broken God?" Or an action/bio flick about the life of the Roman Emperor Augustus? Or--oh, what the hell, go for it!--Neil Stephenson's SNOWCRASH! True, this latter is probably almost unfilmable, but fuck it, excellence is only achieved when one tries to reach beyond their grasp! The point I'm trying to make, though, is this--where are the CITIZEN KANE'S and GONE WITH THE WINDS of tomorrow going to come from if all Hollywoood keeps doing is regurgitating the same old CRAP over and over again, sequel after sequel, scripts based off of old television shows and the like. BLECH!!! The best films I saw last year were things that at least TRIED to be origional, things that went the extra mile--BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, THE MAITRIX, AMAERICAN BEAUTY and PRINCESS MONONOKE. THAT'S the sort of thing I want to see more of this year! Well, I'll stop now, as I'm sure I've already pissed off a lot of people, but ya know what? FUCK IT!!!! DAMN THE TORPEDOES, BRING ON THE NEW STUFF, BABY!!!!!
I, Robot.... by Ninja Nerd	Jan 3rd, 2000 11:59:27 AM
Hey, I am given to believe that Asimov and Ellison pitched a TERRIFIC, completed, ready-to-shoot screenplay several years before Asimov's death. It was published in Asmiov's magazine along with the story of how it Hollywood wanted to "fix" the script. Asimov and Ellison basically said "eat shit and die" and that's the last I've heard. Based on the recent Robin Williams suck-fest based on another Asmiov robot story, I'd say they made a good decision! While I would love to see Ellison's treatment hit the big screen, I doubt Janet Asimov, Isaac's widow, will let it happen. As to Cameron and Arnold and T-pick-a-number; the first two pretty much told the entire story. A movie of the Cyberwar and it's end might be OK, if it was done well, but it needn't (shouldn't) take two movies or Arnold or Cameron to do so.
Terminate! by Kraven	Jan 3rd, 2000 12:02:08 PM
This news is no big surprise to those of us who have been watching the writhing coils of Carolco rise from its funeral pyre. Of course this looks like drek from the "talent" thay have assigned to it, but who knows who will actually end up making it? Not that I would see any Terminator movie without either Arnie or Cameron involved in it. And for all of the stupi...sorry, naive people who think Cameron cannot direct because he made a love story, I would point out that making a love story didn't exactly harm the subsequent careers of William Wyler, John Ford, Howard Hawks, Alfred Hitchcock, David Lean, Stanley Kubrick, Robert Zemeckis, Stephen Spielberg etc. etc. Jeez, give the guy a break.
The plot was revealed in the 1st two movies! by RobRed1	Jan 3rd, 2000 01:16:01 PM
Let's re-cap. We know that the humans are enslaved in death camps by machines, not terminators. (I believe human simpathizers/colaborators help in an attempt to curry favor: my speculation.) John leads a rebellion in one camp and begins to lead a resistance. The first terminators are only developed after the resistance starts. They have rubber skin and are easy to spot. Eventually, the first series of terminators is developed. The one that we see attacking a rebel base in the sewer looks NOTHING like Arnie!! The entire first movie can be done EASILY without the muscle-bound mush mouth! IF the 3rd film is wildly successful, he'll beg to come back for the fourth when he is really needed to show the end of the war with Sky-net, the capture of the time facility, and the reprograming of the original terminator. (Read the first couple of chapters of the novel of the 2nd movie.) This movie will only suck if incompetent people get their hands on it. Not because two people bail on the project.
Oh please let's move on by groverTrover	Jan 3rd, 2000 01:25:04 PM
I would have to agree with the majority of talkbackers on this-ITS ALL OLD HAT NOW!-if anyone involved in this franchise reads this then listen to these voices-we have never wanted to see a Spartacus 2, why now in 2000 do we need another damned sequel to a sequel to a sequel. looking at what's upcoming this year-it was looking hopeful that sequels were not the order of the day- and indeed 1999 had too many good films that weren't sequels to prove that they are not a prerequisite when writing a film. just leave it alone-go read some scripts written by the legions of 'unknowns' out there with astory to tell, and who dont have the money or power that provides one with the luxury to keep manufacturing garbage, dressing it up as a film and selling it to world who then spend money, and wish they hadn't.
Game over man! Game over! by Darth Siskel	Jan 3rd, 2000 01:29:45 PM
Gimme a break! Terminator without Cameron on Arnold? Hold on a sec........................... .............................. .............................. ...................BWAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAA AAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHAHAHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA A!!! Why?
Darth Siskel is a dumbshit. by Zeylan	Jan 3rd, 2000 01:46:26 PM
Thanks a lot for scrolling the whole message forum over to the right with your stupid "HAHAHAHA" crap. Idiot.
Old news.......... by RobinP	Jan 3rd, 2000 01:47:24 PM
I read the same thing in "Starburst" a totally superior Brit S/F movie mag a month ago. Face it, without Arnie and Cameron, the franchise is dead......stick a fork in it, it's done !
The Iron Giant Teminator by Todd	Jan 3rd, 2000 01:54:33 PM
Why not use the Iron Giant as one of the new Terminators? That would be cool. He has the guns built into himself already. Infact, now that i think about it, Maybe The Iron Giant did not come from outspace but from the future, He was supposed to time jump back to the 1980's and kill John Connor, but got sent back to the 50's instead and became friends with Hogarth. WOW, The Iron Giant is really part of the Teminator films!!! It makes so much sense. Hey, my finger puppet keeps saying redrum too me
They better get the ball rolling on this one... by Niiiice	Jan 3rd, 2000 02:16:14 PM
If they want it to be set in the year 2001! And wasn't it 1999 that Skynet was supposedly switched on for the first time? Maybe I'm wrong. Terminator holds absolutely no appeal without Cameron or Swcharzennegar. No one cared about what happened to John or Sarah Connor in T2, they wanted to see the badass Arnie blowing up things with big guns, and they wanted to see Robert Patrick melting and shapeshifting. All the little screenplay things were interesting, like the bonding between Arnie and Edward Furlong, or the Terminator's struggle to understand the concept of emotions, but honestly, people who love the film remember it for the "bad ass" factor. Without any significant star power, Terminator has only its namesake to rely on for success. And resuscitating what's supposed to be a finished storyline won't be too attractive either. Anyhow, if its supposed to be set in 2001, they better be WELL into preproduction right now. It'll look pretty lame with a post apocalyptic war being set a few months BEFORE the film actually comes out.
TANK GIRL?! This is gonna fuckin suck like Batman & Robin by Jopapa	Jan 3rd, 2000 02:26:48 PM
I can't believe Cam is gonna put up with this. Cam and Arnie ARE Terminator. Without Arnie leading they may as well call it "pussy Robot". The only director good enough to stand in for Cam is Simon West. And only if Bruckheimer produces it. Although I would NOT want to see a Nick Cage-type cyborg, if you know what I mean.
T-1OOO? by The Kid	Jan 3rd, 2000 02:51:44 PM
This story is really old, but I never heard about a T-1000 factoring in.
Hmmm I don`t know about this by Elgyn6655321	Jan 3rd, 2000 03:58:56 PM
I have a sneaky suspician that these movies will either never really get made, or go direct-to-video. "Terminator" without Arnold or Cameron is......well.....Universal Soldier.
highlander II by bigbenkenobi	Jan 3rd, 2000 07:28:12 PM
highlander II!enough said!!!
Someone clarify this... by Mr.Chupon	Jan 3rd, 2000 08:09:02 PM
I haven't seen the first Terminator movie for a long, time, so if the answer lies within that one, i can't be expected to know...How can a sequel be made along the same lines as the others? Wasn't the building of SkyNet stopped when Arnie's and T1000's chips were destroyed? Am I missing something? The only option I can see is that some sort of lame amendment to the ending of T2 (the chip is molten metal resistant or some stupid thing like that) for the sake of maintaining some sort of continuity in the series...as for myself, I seriously don't see the need for two more Terminators, the series is absolutely fine where it stands. Even if the improbable occurs and the sequels are good, I'm not willing to take that chance. No thanks.
HHAHAA! Double Dumb Ass on you! by Darth Siskel	Jan 3rd, 2000 08:15:42 PM
I don't run this site! Why the hell did this page turn into the 70mm edition? I don't know why.
Tank Grrl is a Slut... by mini maul	Jan 3rd, 2000 09:39:32 PM
and a dike too!
make it stop! by PRINCE OF EGYPT	Jan 3rd, 2000 10:47:38 PM
"Terminator" was awseome. "Terminator 2", while not as perfect overall, definitely completed the story. It's done. Skynet could never be built so the war never happened and the terminators were never made. Why pull it all out of mothballs again? Obviously for the money. It will suck HUGE! It would be an okay film if Arnold and Cameron were in the loop, but only okay. By the way, to the guy that said that Schwazenegger couldn't act. I bet you there's a rabbi's son out there by the name of Leonard Nimoy who would strongly disagree with you. It takes a great deal of talent and effort to portray a completely emotionless character. It can, in fact be downright exhausting. Arnold pulled it off in both films beautifully.
Hey, Harry, you forget 6th Grade reading class? by keeper	Jan 3rd, 2000 10:58:14 PM
Remember that whole thing with the Trojans 'cause it had taken Ulysses alot more than that to get back home? As for T3 or whatever, the only way it can happen without completely screwing up the continuity of the other movies is to make it a prequel. The most awesome part of T1 and T2 were the future war scenes in the post-apocalyptic LA anyhow. Then again, everytime I think about this I remember what happened to Robocop and Aliens, so maybe it's better that this thing stays dead. If they do it though they better get their butts in gear before the Wachowskis possibly beat them to expanding the "future war against the machines" concept on the big screen with their Matrix prequels.
End of another franchise by 60091	Jan 3rd, 2000 11:23:57 PM
Typical movie producers out to rape the hell out of another franchise to make a quick buck. I thought Tank Girl BLEW CHUNKS...although Lori Petty is one heck of a hot momma. If the movie is made, all I foresee is alot of Terminators running around and explosions everywhere...without a STORY in sight.
Damn it your forgetting the ARM!! by ToxicTwins	Jan 4th, 2000 12:09:38 AM
All you who are whining about them tacking on info to have to make the 3rd movie are forgetting about the T-100 arm that the 1000 ripped off in the steel factory. Cameron obvoiusly put that part in in the case of another sequel. So quit your damn whining already! That still doesn't mean this movie needs to be made without Cameron (at least) otherwise it will just be rehashed crap.
There's room in the story, but... by Sorcerer	Jan 4th, 2000 10:21:33 PM
The big thing about TERMINATOR 2 was that it suggested we might manage to avoid "Judgement Day", that it doesn't need to happen because of the T-800's sacrifice and because he "learned to be human." Sort of a Christ allegory, see. Hence the problem was solved in that film, and reviving it would sorta negate the second film's message. So I don't think TERMINATOR 3 needs to be made, especially after this delay. The franchise has eked out its niche in film history, it doesn't need to go anywhere else.
?? by Mr.Chupon	Jan 4th, 2000 10:54:45 PM
The arm got blown up along with the rest of the lab in T2, didn't it? Including all the tests and records? Or is it...the -other- arm? ^_^U sheesh.
Various Ramblings... by Dlhstar	Jan 6th, 2000 04:01:21 AM
True, we have seen Arnie as both the evil/good terminator, but perhaps he could come back as human freedom fighter who's looks were used as a template for all those T-800's of his type that followed. It's quite believable that Skynet might have first used actual skinned human flesh for it's T-800 skin design between the rubber skin and realistic skin periods (and then continued to base the skin designs of all those skinned humans, possibly cloning skin cells of those people to grow the flesh).
T1 - good, T2 - sucked, it just gets worse... by Maniaq	Jan 6th, 2000 08:20:42 AM
It has already been said, but what the hell... if they really want to they will make another Terminator movie. But it WILL suck. T2 sucked big time - not only was it's own plot full of hole, it completely defeated what happenned in the first movie and created holes in IT'S plot that weren't there to begin with! They should never have messed with a great film - like Reese says in the first film (and I quote) "Nobody else goes through - it's just him and me!" 'nuff said
Eyes Wide.....Shit! by xzyzx	Jan 6th, 2000 03:30:14 PM
Hey could anyone mess up the Terminator series as bad as this Sin-er-ama post site?
Terminator Ideas by Boothroyd	Jan 7th, 2000 04:20:16 AM
If they do them well I will see them no matter what. However to me it doesn't really matter what they are like. I wrote a 3rd part over 4 years ago. That has two possible endings. One which makes it a continous loop of events and one which involves one major time theory conondrum. So whatever happens I'm happy. If you E-Mail I'd love to talk Terminator, or anything else for that matter.

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