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Moriarty looks at HOLY SMOKE

wauw Warrior by Hotspur	Dec 3rd, 1999 08:56:15 AM
you seem like a very intelligent man!!!
As Long As It's Better Than PORTRAIT..... by mrbeaks	Dec 3rd, 1999 10:24:30 AM
My sentiments exactly, Moriarty. I saw that monstrosity at the Worldwide in NYC (Manhattan's only second-run theater,) and was more interested in the fist-fight that inexplicably broke out two rows in front of me than anything in Campion's lugubrious misfire.
Winslet does soft-porn? Woo-hoo! by Mickey Louse	Dec 3rd, 1999 10:26:11 AM
Okay, okay we all know this girl can act right? Who cares? She's a voluptous beauty and if she wants to play bouncy, "ride-em cowboy", soft-porn with the Bad Lieutenant I'll be the first to stand up in the theatre screaming "I'm the King of the World!"
there are only two female stars that can sell a movie to me by n by L'Auteur	Dec 3rd, 1999 11:25:30 AM
One is Natlie Portman, the other is Kate Winslet. One's flat and the other's fat, you say? Fuck off. Go read a fashion magazine and jerk-off to the freak show they call attractive women.
Kate is GREAT, the movie is GREAT! by Azur000	Dec 3rd, 1999 11:39:40 AM
I have seen the movie and I have no idea what that guy is talking about, Holy Smoke! is damn GREAT and Kate is Great!(he did say that!)No really, the movie is fantastic! And Kate, well...she is just the hottest women on the planet!!MAMMA MIA!!Veryyyyyyyy hot in the movie!!!
Winslet rules by 006	Dec 3rd, 1999 12:29:38 PM
I think that Kate is a great actress and is commanding in this film. She brings it from mediocrity to have the film warrant merit. And she's tasty!!
by savage lollipop	Dec 3rd, 1999 12:31:00 PM
I saw Holy Smoke and it stank. I am sick of Campion's old-school sexual politics. Pony boys get ready... there's plenty of Keitel's submission in this film. They're stuck in this house in the middle of some desert and that's when we might get into something good-- but Moriarity's right-- there's not enough intimacy passing betweeen them. It's all voyeurism. She doms him all up and down the outback, she teases him, she feminises him, she makes him give her oral pleasure (or at least she makes a show of it-- I promise it takes a lot more to train a man to do his duty). Okay, almost a new way of looking at the young woman older man relationship. As if. Any young woman who's ever had sex with an older man already knows that it's very easy to dominate an older man with your sexuality. A very obvious choice, in my opinion. And it's the major hinge of the movie. Yadda yadda yadda, men are weak, women are goddesses. Ask yourself, boys, do you really need the goddess? And Campions, I ask you, do you really expect Kate's character to forgive Keitel? Why is that so elemental? His submission, her forgiveness? It's Catholic at root, my dears. If they wanted to write some new feminist meditations, it would have been nice to see them break out of the same old schtick. Nothing new here.
Jane Campion killed Henry James again by haunted	Dec 3rd, 1999 01:39:49 PM
I agree with Moriarty. Campion's take on Henry James is a totally mistake after mistake. First, the screenplay: the fact that Merle and Osmond were lovers was a big shocker in the book. Then Campion's throws it away at the early scenes. Then she makes Isabel and her cousin, lovers. BLAAAH. This ain't Jude, Jane!. And finally she picks Nicole Kidman so we can all laugh as how a bad actress, if she ever deserves the latter can ruin a movie with a horrible, impavid performance. This is the most horrible movie I've ever seen, indeed. Wait a minute, I'm starting feeling dizzy again. I'm going to burp.
To Fireinthehole by Anton_Sirius	Dec 3rd, 1999 02:26:48 PM
One quibble: "...train a man to do his duty"? You mean train a BOY. A real man doesn't see it as a 'duty' at all. As for the goddess thing: Yes, yes we do, if only to remind us of our own godhood. I'll be Osiris to your Astarte any day.
Kate Winslet by Everett Robert	Dec 3rd, 1999 03:09:25 PM
While the rest of you may praise Kate Winslet as an actor in my opion she's not, she's an actress. There is a difference between that and I don't mean just in sex terms. to me I have never seen Kate Winslet ACT. To me she's always just been this whiny little girl. In my opinion she plays the same type of charaters over and over agin. I will say though that I have not seen this or Heavenly Creatures so I can't fully judge her acting ablities. But From Hideous Kinky to Titantic to Hamlet, I haven't been impressed with her. I'll be holding off seeing this one.
What about the spirituality? by All Thumbs	Dec 3rd, 1999 03:10:43 PM
When I read previews for this movie in the summer, I got the impression that it was about spirituality more than sexuality. Of course, Campion's films are all about sexuality, which is not a bad thing, but I thought this movie was going to be a good mix of both. I thought the main message of the film was about personal beliefs/spirituality, etc. and how they can be misunderstood by both the outside world and yourself.
to Thumbs by Hotspur	Dec 3rd, 1999 03:25:56 PM
you're right. But I guess when a babe like Kate Winslet is in a film like this it will be the sexuality of the story that is in focus. And to the guy who says he isn't impressed by Kate, well you don't even mention the two best performances of her career. Heavenly Creatures (which you, of course, say you haven't seen) and Jude. So a comment like that is simply stupid. It's no big mystery to see that Kate Winslet is one of the best (if not the best) actresses of her generation. And whiny little girl!!! I guess you don't really get the point of any of the characters she has played. There has been absolutely no whiny about them. A good idea for you would be to analyse the characters a bit more before you start talking about them.
So..... by mrbeaks	Dec 3rd, 1999 03:38:39 PM
.....what do you call men who play whiny little boys? Using your logic, I guess they'd be actresses, too. Still, might I suggest another term: "Reisers."
Kate Winslet is a good actress... by All Thumbs	Dec 3rd, 1999 04:14:51 PM
Though I still think she was out of place througout most of Titanic. When I first saw that movie, I was really happy to see her and thought she did this overwhelmingly excellent job. Then I got off my "I saw a movie about one of my favorite subjects in history AND it had Kate Winslet in it!" high. I took a real good look at the movie, which I own in widescreen because it IS a good movie in many ways, and notice that her chemistry with DiCaprio is almost non-existant until the drawing scene (I think that has to do with the way DiCaprio was nervous in real life about seeing her nude). She seemed wooden when she was acting opposite him...maybe it was because she was trying to portray the times...maybe it was she was just wooden when she acted with him. I thought she and Billy Zane had good chemistry and sometimes felt sorry for his character. Anyways, I'm always glad to see Kate in a movie because she's got a "real person" feel to her, unlike other actresses of late.
Ohhhhhhh Kate!!!! by mitsurugi777	Dec 3rd, 1999 04:15:50 PM
Damn L'Auteur, those are my favorites also. I don't care if Kate can act or not. She's so damn hot and thick i don't care if she's in Ernest meets Howard the Duck i'm going to see it. Man i'm tired of rewinding her nude scene in Titantic, i'm going to need to buy a new copy or vcr before too long.
For once, a pleasant surprise from Moriarty by Achilles	Dec 3rd, 1999 04:18:38 PM
I have been tuning in to this site for several years now, and Moriarty has always worked my last nerve when writing his reviews. I don't know how old this guy is, but my ten-year old nephew would call his lame "I'm-a-mad-scientist" routine totally childish. For whatever reason, Moriarty seems to have dumped his Sir Arthur Conan Doyle fetish and awful sense of humor in favor of a well-thought out and insightful review. The best I have read anywhere on this film, hands down. Without giving anything away, you have painted a clear picture of the strengths, weaknesses, and the general visual and emotional impact of this film. Keep writing them like that, Moriarty, and I'll take back anything nasty I've ever said about you. Good job!
The Goddess that is Kate by mechanimal	Dec 3rd, 1999 05:18:24 PM
Let me just throw in my two cents to echo the worship for Ms. Winslet. God Damn, what a wonderful woman in every respect! I have no interest in this movie really, but you can bet I'm planting my ass in a seat just to watch her be Kate. She chooses films SHE wants to make, not what will make her rich or bankable, she lights up every scene of every movie she is in with some kind of weird magic I can't describe. And beautiful?? Damn!! Everything about her is desirable (she even breaks the curse of British teeth!). Anyway, I get so god damn furious when I hear people say she is fat. What the hell do you think a woman is supposed to look like? A stick like Calista Flockhart, or a pneumatic freak like Pamela Lee? Get Real!! Kate is a WOMAN all around, with a WOMAN's body. Joan Rivers calls her fat. How many of you are dying to bone old Joan? Thought so! There are two types of people who work in "fashion" who decide what "beauty" is: old bitter jealous hags (like Joan) and gay guys. Think either of these types share the average man's idea what a beautiful woman is? Of course not. I think anyone who prefers a waistoid like Kate Moss over Kate Winslet probably has pedophiliac tendencies, admiring the body of twelve year olds in private. Geez, I'm rambling. Too much Green. Good Night.
hey Harry by Hotspur	Dec 3rd, 1999 06:23:53 PM
give Mechanimal some sort of award, because he speaks the only truth!
Kate Winslett by TomReagan	Dec 3rd, 1999 06:48:36 PM
I agree with that Kate Winslett is far too overrated (although calling her an actress not an actor is meaningless). Like most people I used to be quite taken by her, Jude was the film where she really caught my attention. But at least in my eyes she's turned out to be a bit of a one-trick pony, giving essentially the same performance in each role. She doesn't really show any sign of being able to branch out either, being charming and radiant will only go so far in my book. She's turning into the art house answer to Julia Roberts (but with nude scenes). And what is it with all the nude scenes? It seems strange to complain about a beautiful actress getting her kit off, but she seems just a tad too keen to do it. I read that Phillip Kaufman (the dirty old bastard) has her getting her gear off again in that Marquis de Sade flic. I guess it'll keep the nude celebrity sites happy.
Or maybe more appropriately the art house answer to Pamela Ander by TomReagan	Dec 3rd, 1999 07:12:34 PM

The Beach by DarthJoe	Dec 4th, 1999 12:39:28 AM
Marketing Dude, the Beach is going to bomb because the script was the hugest pile of horse-shit I've seen in a while. I respect Leo for taking the project because the book is fantastic, but they had to change the role for him. They made the "Richard" character an American when he is actually English in the book. Ewan McGregor would have kicked ass in this movie if Fox didn't want to have their cake and eat it too. They chose Leo for bankability. That's not to say that the script doesn't suck for reasons besides the American thing. (SPOILERS)For example, Richard in the book is a likable Gen-X slacker-backpacker, obsessed with Vietnam and searching for an Eden paradise. At the end of his horrific ordeal on the Beach, he goes home and resumes his life as normal. It really doesn't have too much of an effect on him because author Alex Garland is making a comment on his generation and their "whatever"-attitude. Richard in the script is an arrogant prick who boasts about bagging the lady-friend of the Beach's leader. Furthermore, Hodge and Boyle missed the point of the book because at the end of the movie, Richard kills himself because of the horrors he has been through. I mean, come on.(END SPOILERS) So cut Leo a break cause the movie could have been cool. He could have had any movie for his next project and he chose a neat idea like "this". Oh yeah, back on this board's topic... uh.... Kate is hot and I would like to get it on with her. :-)
Bum ba bum bum by DarthJoe	Dec 4th, 1999 12:41:41 AM
Holy Smoke sounds like some movie starring Abbot and Costello.
Mechanimal by Absolut	Dec 6th, 1999 12:49:04 AM
Yes, those who like twelve-year-old bodies are pedophiles, or, even worse, they are men who really want to get it on with little boys. I mean, all photogs (Ritts, LaChappelle) are GAY! That should tell you soemthing. Kate Winslet rocks the fucking world with her sensitivity and passion. She was luminous in "Jude." And Anna Wintour should stuff her big black sunglasses right up her bony butt.
Marketing Man by Absolut	Dec 6th, 1999 12:54:30 AM
Finally, someone voices what I've always thought. I will never, as long as I live, understand why fucking Leo DiCaprio took creit for that movie. James Cameron wrote, directed and nursed that thing to fruition. Not that he didn't get his share of publicity, but in the end it was Leo's name that can sell as movie, so studio execs have decided for us. What about Kate, the first person cast in the film, the woman who SURVIVES the fucking movie, through whose eyes we see this story...Leo is a good actor but, come on. He as much to do with the sucess of Titanic as Kate did. You could have put Michael Jackson in the role and it would have done boffo box office. (Well, on second thought...)
HILARY SWANK BETTER WATCH OUT BECAUSE KATE WINSET IS GONNA.... by GEEKBASHER 3.0	Dec 6th, 1999 02:27:51 AM
snatch that little gold man right out of her hands....Well I just drove up to LA this weekend and low and behold "Holy Smoke" was playing up there for a limited one week engagement...I said what the heck, I'll catch a morning show... WHOAAAAAA!!! What a FUCKING MOVIE!!!! WHAT A OUTSTANDING, AMAXING PEFORMANCE FROM KATE!!! I am SPEECHLESS, STUNNED!!! Kate went where most actresses would not dare to go, Her and Hilary Swank are tie in my book for the best female peformance of the decade!!! When this movie comes out, Go see this movie!!! Man I cannot wait to see it again!!! Does anyone know when it is going to open in San Diego????
Katey-O! by bswise	Dec 6th, 1999 07:06:55 PM
I have a hard time seeing Kate Winslet in movies becuase everytime she's on screen I go, "Ohhhhhhh!" and am eventually asked to leave.
makin me feel like liz meetin marc antony by savage lollipop	Dec 8th, 1999 12:15:22 PM

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