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Moriarty's Rumblings From The Lab #12Re: AI/Spielberg, AMERICAN BEAUTY, MINORITY REPORT, FINAL FANTASY VIII...

Cool by 7	Sep 8th, 1999 05:19:19 AM
Great to know Spielberg is not doing AI as of yet and Shamalaya should do Perfect Storm.
These were the best of posts, These were the worst of posts... by Haystacks Jones	Sep 8th, 1999 05:19:42 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Meyers enters back into the Scooby Doo equation. Meyers, like in past films, wanted to play several dual roles...including Shaggy & Velma. They make a good point at www.itaintcool.itgo.com about Velma looking an awful like Austin Powers.
AI-Spielberg by Paco J	Sep 8th, 1999 05:19:45 AM
He can go ahead and make it, and it may be very good, but it ain't gonna be the film Kubrick would have made.
good by temp	Sep 8th, 1999 05:19:58 AM
i'm glad i'm here so no geek can exclaim "i'm first!!!!!"
DWD: David Allen by DwDunphy	Sep 8th, 1999 05:25:40 AM
Of the people involved with Charles Band's grind shop known as Empire (then Full Moon) Pictures, David Allen was the star, bringing credibility to some movies that may not actually deserve it. Puppet Master forever.
dave allen: RIP by angel	Sep 8th, 1999 05:28:04 AM
excellent report, doctor. as per LABOR OF E, fox didn't want shalayman to direct, so he walked. it's very doubtful he'll direct the film for them now. and it is great to see a film like SIXTH SENSE make money that treats its audience with class and respect--unlike THE HAUNTING. dave allen gone? sigh. i grew up on 'FXRH' and 'cinemagic' and allen's famous kong VW commercial. all those unsung creators...twas beauty killed the beast, indeed....
Paco's Rather Salient AI Point by Moriarty	Sep 8th, 1999 05:33:50 AM
Hey, Paco... Duh. Big giant honking duh. Why would you even feel the need to say that? I swear, some of you fanboys are so quick to tear someone down that you say things that are just gibberish. Of course it won't be the film Kubrick would have made. It won't be the film anyone but Spielberg would make. Funny how that works, eh? "Moriarty" out.
AI - I know what the Press are on about by pete23	Sep 8th, 1999 05:59:36 AM
First off, I know nothing of the newspaper article in question BUT I did watch a Channel 4 Program last Sunday night here in the UK that consisted of lots of interviews with people who knew Kubrick. Spielberg featured a lot and a good fifteen minutes of the hour long program was specifically concerned with AI (it was used as an example of how Kubrick worked before filming actually began). Now I can't give you exact quotes, so this will probably be written off as bollox, but Spielberg did IMPLY that he had agreed to direct AI with Kubrick producing and that it was a done deal after Eyes Wide Shut (although a Kubrick 'after' could be measured in years rather than months). He never said he was to begin filming AI next week, or that he wished to continue with the project in any way, shape or form, but the way he talked throughout the program about Kubrick, and the way he spoke about AI, means that if it is confirmed that he's to take over on AI I will hardly faint from shock. I fall upon the mercy of the court...
pete23, keep rocking child... by reni	Sep 8th, 1999 06:39:36 AM
I saw the Kubrick Documentary too. Spielberg hinted heavily at a gentlemen's agreement between the two of them, with Kubrick producing and Spielberg directing. Christiane Kubrick explained that her husband felt he would focus too much on the philosophical and scientific issues and not enough on the human issues involved. Terry Semel was also shown discussing the same thing. Spielberg also intimated that Kubrick spent a long time trying to think of a project that could be profound enough to satisfy his own vision and make more money than Star Wars...p.s moving on, I'd love to see Scooby Doo... A question for readers : Scooby - CGI or Muppet?
Channel 4 Kubrick documentary by Meat Takeshi	Sep 8th, 1999 06:42:23 AM
I too saw this ad wether by clever editing or very leading interviewing tactics or whatever i got the impression that AI may still be a goer with Stephen "God Light" Spielberg at the helm. Check out the 2 hour extended version of this doc on Film Four this Sunday night and you can all shoot me down after seeing it if i am wrong.
I thought Scooby was a dog ? by Meat Takeshi	Sep 8th, 1999 06:44:06 AM
Erm, thats it.
KING KONG '76 JOHN BARRY SCORE? by terrybrogan	Sep 8th, 1999 06:51:03 AM
anyone a fan of this score? anyone know if it'll be issued on CD? huh?
Can I Get A Witness? by mr_noodle	Sep 8th, 1999 06:53:27 AM
I really hope that hollywood wises up to the fact that they can create smart little films and they will do well (after the success of both Blair Witch and the Sixth Sense) at the box office instead of continuing to hand us overblown crap neatly packaged with big name stars and a heaping helping of special effects. I'm also really hoping that people catch on to the fact that well-written scary films are commercially viable as well instead of just teen slasher flicks with lots of "face of the moment" stars and heaving cleavage. Amen! http://www.almostcool.org
that KUBRICK doc airing here.... by terrybrogan	Sep 8th, 1999 06:56:14 AM
we'll probably see it next spring on BRAVO, who love to broadcast UK programs. anyone happen to have a copy to trade?
Worth The Wait by Otaku73	Sep 8th, 1999 07:20:07 AM
Well, I'm suitably impressed. Not that I think that is your goal in writing these, but still...many well-earned kudos are coming your direction. There was a lot of good news, well-reported, and I simply must call attention to your scientific dissection of an article that was distressingly, well, bad. Badly reported, badly sourced, badly written. And right when I thought no one else noticed...there was Moriarty to the rescue, preaching to the heathens that accused harry of being "scooped." Besides all that, there were only two paragraphs of shtick, and a bit scattered about, so maybe three paragraphs out of about thirty-five. Even then, it was lyrical and well-written. To a point, but nevertheless, I didn't feel the urge to click away and miss my movie news. Well done, Moriarty old boy. Let's see good stuff like this in the future, ne what?
Counter-point by Anton_Sirius	Sep 8th, 1999 07:26:38 AM
I was greatly disappointed that Moriarty toned down the schtick in this one. As a jet-setting alien playboy I enjoy getting glimses into the lives of people just as phantasmagoric as I. Aimee Mann doing the Magnolia soundtrack? Too cool for school! Now let's get that Sophie B. Hawkins casino heist flick (no, the OTHER casino heist flick... no, the OTHER other one...) moving people!
Oh no! Not again! by Rover	Sep 8th, 1999 07:48:29 AM
I don't know why each time there is a big story coming out, there is someone to say that it can't possibly be true. Fortunately for us, the story about Spielberg making A.I. "IS" true... Or at least it's not just another rumor!??!!?! It's now a fact that Spielberg will eventually direct A.I. (If the movie ever gets made) It has been confirmed by the man himself and by many other "REAL" sources in the movie buiseness, as well. Moriarty??!!?... Hmmm??!!?... ... And of course, it ain't gonna be the film Kubrick would have made.
hey Moriarty, you wet noodle by Z	Sep 8th, 1999 07:49:11 AM
Usually I enjoy reading your contributions. This time, you devoted half the article to debunking the AI rumor. So fucking what?? egads man, and the effort you put into it. Is that cool news? I think not. As to your off hand "fanboy" comment, I've never met you, but from your articles, you sound like the biggest "fanboy" this side of Harry Knowles. Yeesh. Oh yeah, and Spielberg may make AI, but it'll never be a Kubrick film (sorry, couldn't help myself). O well, i hope next weeks rumblings has more cool news and less rumblings.
who cares by KermitTfrog	Sep 8th, 1999 07:56:15 AM
Maybe I'm being cynical but who cares if Spielberg does AI. he's directed so many formulaic films over the past few years I mean sit down and watch 'Jurasic Park' &'The Lost World' and see how many times you say 'whoa deja-vu'. Spielberg can re-do ET under the guise of AI. p.s. did anyone else find this Rumbling hard to read or do I have a poor attention span
entirely unrelated by crying wolf	Sep 8th, 1999 08:14:38 AM
one gross oversight from the "booby poll"--"wild things." i can't vote, because my fave just isn't there.
comparisons by KermitTfrog	Sep 8th, 1999 08:21:54 AM
When I say deja-vu I don't mean between the two films either, Just in case you missed the point. Sure Spielbergs a good director he's made a lot of groundbreaking films but you can't deny his direction is formulaic. BTW I don't think Moriarty is a 'fanboy' he strikes me as some-one who needs to relax a little. If people say Harry was scooped that's their opinion if they don't like the site they won't stick around but don't waste time justifying anything. Most regular visitors know this site is solid. Finally here in Britain we get to see 'Eyes Wide Shut' totally uncensored now that's cool!!
Fight Club ads on MTV by Durden	Sep 8th, 1999 08:41:46 AM
I also think that there will definitely be some Fight Club ads on the MTV music awards. I think Fox has realized that their main audience is 18-34 year old males. That same weekend, The Story of Us opens and I guarantee adults will flock to that movie, so the twentysomethings will be seeing Fight Club instead because they can't identify with the Rob Reiner flick. Not that they can identify with beating each other up but it's certainley more intriguing. Also, go check out the incredible official website that EW gave an 'A'. www.fight-club.com The first rule of fight club is, you don't talk about fight club.
Aimee Mann by Garrett	Sep 8th, 1999 08:48:12 AM
The lost album will be out this fall, according to http://www.aimeemann.com/. 13 songs. Woo hoo! There's currently a 7 song CD floating around out there (you could buy it on EBay if you were willing to pay somewhat inflated prices), which is a subset of the lost album, I believe. Me, I'll be getting it at the San Francisco show of her tour. And it's about time.
The Sunday Times by stvrick	Sep 8th, 1999 09:00:19 AM
Is it just me, or is most of the news on AICN and slashdot from the Sunday Times misleading, clueless, or outright BS?
Forgot To Mention by Moriarty	Sep 8th, 1999 09:06:45 AM
Hey, all... Today is also special because it's Peter Sellers' birthday. I can't believe I didn't include this in the RUMBLINGS, but let me say it here... Sellers was a genius, a horrible person who managed to be an outstanding actor, and whose legacy of film work includes more classic moments than you can shake a stick at. Between Turner Classic Movies and my own movie collection, I'm going to spend as much of today celebrating Sellers as I can. Thought it was worth sharing. "Moriarty" out.
Paging Oliver Stone by Powerslave	Sep 8th, 1999 09:11:42 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned that 'Fight Club' dropped the 'The.' Sounds like a massive conspiracy involving Moriarty's good buddy, Jack Valenti. Look into it, old man...
Go Ahead & Beat It, Sarin Rufus..... by mrbeaks	Sep 8th, 1999 09:38:30 AM
You won't be missed. Moriarty's rumblings may not be high comedy, but they're far from insipid. I doubt any of the posters who regularly find fault with his column could cobble together anything better. As for the Zmuda book, I started reading it last night, and have been laughing myself silly since. Even if half the tales are embellished, it's still a more-than-worthwhile read, and further evidence that we'll never see the likes of Andy Kaufman again.
Spielberg is a LIAR! by Peregrin	Sep 8th, 1999 10:02:46 AM
Kubrick was going to produce the film? With Spielberg directing? I find that incredibly difficult to believe. Kubrick is not the 3 films per year with your name on eight others as "executive producer" kind of guy, and he NEVER HAS BEEN. No Kubrick doesn't play the Hollywood game, and I for one am finding it amazing that even Spielberg, the king of bullshit, has the balls to claim that world-renowned control freak Stanley Kubrick was actually going to relinquish directing responsibility on a project he's wanted to make for thirty years! Please...
AI/Minority Report by Killion	Sep 8th, 1999 10:08:48 AM
C'mon people. you have to be smarter than that. What Moriarty is alluding to is the fact that everyone is wrong! All this reporting on "new" info is bogus and the general public is believing all of it. Basically, don't believe all of what you read and don't be surprised when we hear that Minority Report is not gonna happen!
Here is Spielberg's comment on this matter from Cinescape. by samscars	Sep 8th, 1999 10:30:37 AM
This is the report over at Cinescape with Spielberg basically saying he is still working on Minority Report and Geisha and not focusing on anything else at this time. Here is the report.... ---- ---- --- ----- ------------- ------- In a follow up to this weekend
Sunset Times by Walter Burns	Sep 8th, 1999 10:40:36 AM
Anyone who put's too much credence into the Sunday Times deserves what they get. Good breakdown of their 'new story' - a fairly typical ST scissors and paste job.
Moriar...Who? by Rover	Sep 8th, 1999 10:45:30 AM
...Basically, don't believe all of what you read on Moriarty's column either. Spielberg will direct A.I. This is confirmed!
Fight Club ads are already airing by Maul99	Sep 8th, 1999 01:29:45 PM
I saw the new Fight Club ad on the Sci-Fi channel earlier this morning. This film is going to make people stand up and take notice. Pitt/Norton look riveting, and Fincher's style makes the film look like none ever seen before. The ad shows a little of the "camera moving out of the brain" sequence that Moriarty has reported on previously. It also has Brad Pitt with a shaved head (footage from towards the end of the film). Having read the novel, I'm totally excited to see the finished product that Fincher/Uhls have created.
Kubrickian aplomb by DAS BOOB	Sep 8th, 1999 03:04:57 PM
I can't recall where I read it, but Dennis Muren has even spoke of being commisioned to do special effects demos for AI (some time after Jurassic Park I believe).Something to the extent of designing New York City underwater and the designs of the child.I think they were even playing with doing the child CGI when Stanley took off to do eyes wide shut.More then likely a CGI film with Kubrick attached would have amounted to a 4 year project,not to mention the old fart would've probably wanted to do the effects himself.They went on to mention that Kubrick was a total tech-head, and had a house full of state-of-the-art editing equipment.As far as Spielberg goes...hell, even James Cameron and Kubrick had a friendly rapport, surely, AI would be more up Cameron's alley...why isn't a Cameron/AI rumor floating yet??Do your part AICN...START THE RUMOR!!
Stocks and Bombs by Powerslave	Sep 8th, 1999 03:39:35 PM
Admit it, Moriarty: you own stock in Sega, don't you? You can tell us. Why else would you talk about Dreamcast so much? Dreamcast means 'more of the same' console games: more fighting games with great graphics, more driving games with great graphics, more cutesy-poo "mascot" games with great graphics. All the 'cool' commercials in the world can't hide that fact. I can't wait to see 'Street Fighter II: Super Deluxe Alpha Championship Turbo Edition - The Final Chapter' on Dreamcast. I've seen 'House of the Dead 2' in action on the Dreamcast, and it looks neat, but that pathetic voice acting - if you want to call it that - really grates.
"The" Fight Club by Matt Murdock	Sep 8th, 1999 03:43:16 PM
I have no idea why Entertainment Weekly and a couple of Talk Backers seem to care about the absence of "The" from the title of "Fight Club." For one, it sounds a bit cooler, in my opinion. And two, the original novel by Chuck Palahniuk was just called "Fight Club." The book was very cool stuff, by the way. If the movie is half as nihilistic and subversive (which I doubt it would be; I have incredible faith in David Fincher, but the MPAA just ins't going to let this by without some big-time cuts) as the book, it will be a masterpiece. Only one more month to wait...
Max Steiner & Casablanca by BigJackieV	Sep 8th, 1999 08:26:58 PM
This may be old news to some...but I recently picked up a new release of the Casablanca soundtrack by Max Steiner which also has music mixed it with the some of the great dialogue tracks from Casablanca. The CD comes with a special cover, too and there's a fat booklet about Casablanca inside (stuff about the movie, how the ending wasn't written till the end, etc...in addition to stuff about the score). All in all a good buy. On a related note...interesting how 50+ years can bend "If she can stand it, I can--play it!" into "Play it again, Sam."
Wow, dissed by Moriarty... by Paco J	Sep 8th, 1999 09:20:49 PM
I consider myself honored, old man. You are indeed a worthy foe. I was just trying to express my disappointment over not seeing Kubrick's vision of this story, and that I'd rather not see anyone try to make it, that's all. And now that I know I can get your Irish up, perhaps I can help the eventual henchman uprising. Viva La Revolution!!!
Kubrick is dead! by Dirtfish	Sep 9th, 1999 02:23:05 AM
The simple truth is that Stan is dead and with his death a large part of cinema died. No matter how good Spielberg is his AI will never be as good as it would if Stan had directed it or even produced it. Lets stop discussing the classics Stan may have directed if he had lived longer (AI & Napolean)and be thankfull for the works of genious that he did give us.
Kubrick's autobiographical A.I. by Jimmer72	Sep 9th, 1999 05:58:46 AM
Anyone can see that whole idea of a little boy who's actually a robot, lost in a nightmare technological world, is actually Kubrick's vision of himself. This guy loved computers, logic, chess, razor-sharp intellect--he would have loved to have Spock's mind in Data's body. For Spielberg to direct A.I. would completely negate the real, fundamental reason why Kubrick would have made it in the first place--as an autobiographical vision. And doesn't it seem a little ludicrous for the director of E.T. to be making a movie called A.I.?
AI a personal thing by KermitTfrog	Sep 9th, 1999 07:05:10 AM
I agree with the above poster. AI was obviously a personal project for Stanley so maybe it should rest with him.
Spielberg's A.I. would be better than Kubrick's by Stone Cold	Sep 9th, 1999 07:12:52 AM
Steven is just an overall better director and has had a hell of a lot more hit blockbuster films than Stan. Don't get me wrong, Kubrick was good, 2001 ruled! However, he is not Spielberg. Other than 2001, none of his other films have reached the level of Spielberg's masterpieces. Just ask any average movie fan if he has seen any Kubrick films, and you will probably get a blank stare. However, ask that same person if he has seen any Spielberg films, and he will probably name a handful of films with a big smile on his face. The bottom line is that Steven has made more entertaining films for people to watch and that is why his films are more well known and have made more money. If Spielberg makes A.I., it will be more emotional, and human oriented with a epic story emerging the people into the film. Kubrick would not have been able to do that, and the film would have probably been hard to understand. Stan knew this and he knew that Spielberg was the man for the job.
Hi Stone Cold! by Jonte	Sep 9th, 1999 07:43:49 AM
"more well known, made more money..." You're an american, right? You take a look at the box-office and decide: These are the best movies right now!!! They're the most popular!!! They've made most money!!! They ruuule!!! It seems that how much money a movie make, is more important than how good the movie actually is! People like you leave me stone cold... PS Don't get me wrong, Spielberg is one of my favourite directors. The criticism is directed to all of you who think like mr. Stone Cold DS
Hey Jonte! by Stone Cold	Sep 9th, 1999 08:00:13 AM
The reason they are more known and have made more money is because more people in the world watched them. I am not saying that Kubrick's films sucked. What I am saying is that I personally enjoy Spielberg's films more, as a matter of fact, a lot more. I can watch every Indy movie over and over again. The same goes for Jaws, Jurrasic Park, E.T., and many more of his films. I can not say the same about Kubrick's films. Only a few of his films have ever made me want to watch more than once. 2001, The Shining, and Full Metal Jacket. Some of his other films just did not click with me. If they clicked with you, then that is your opinion, and I am allowed mine. I am American, but I am not saying that how much money a movie makes determines if it is good. I am saying that in Spielberg's case most are good, and they make alot of money, because people like me want to see them over and over. Those films bring fantasy and adventure to life. Me being American has nothing to do with the fact that most Kubrick films do not do the same for such a worldwide audience. Enough said on this matter from me. You are going to defend your stance no matter what, and all I was doing was stating mine. And that's the bottom line, cuz Stone Cold said so!
GunRay by Stone Cold	Sep 9th, 1999 10:03:46 AM
I never said who Spielberg thinks is the better director. I said that I think Spielberg's films are better. Yes Kubrick was a visionary, but he is not God to everybody. You have your opinion and I have mine, and I just think more people enjoy Spielberg films over Kubrick's. Whether this is an American blinded view or not, I don't know and I don't care.
Gunray, Stone Cold, Kubrick, and Spielberg by Peregrin	Sep 9th, 1999 12:45:56 PM
Comparing Spielberg to Kubrick is like comparing Stephen King to John Milton; you would be foolish to even try. Spielberg makes MOVIES; easy to understand, readily accessible, thematically as deep as a shallow cup of piss, mainstream, fast moving, and consumable by the mass of morons we like to call the world. His two supposed master-piece "films" [well he tried for three, but Amistad just didn't have it], Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, are so pathetically predictable, and so non-sensically obvious its frightening. What themes does he explore? Nazis are evil & war is bad! Breathtaking vision...Kubrick, on the other hand, makes ART in the fullest sense of the word. His vision goes far beyond cinema, and his films have the thematic complexity and depth, the layers of symbol and metaphor, that you would expect to find in the greatest of novels. Kubrick explores notions as far ranging as the birth of humankind, the future of our race, the constant struggle between conscious and unconscious thought, the meaning of madness, the death of the self, the roots of human sexual behavior, the manipulativeness of our minds, and all the other deep dark things hidden inside each of us...
AI by alcester	Sep 9th, 1999 09:08:43 PM
only Ridley Scott could do it justice.
Lord, Mort was born a rumblin' man. by Wolfpack	Sep 5th, 2006 11:40:40 AM

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