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UPDATE!! The AVATAR Teaser Is Here!!

Eh by apollocandy	Aug 20th, 2009 09:27:07 AM
Not impressed
And............... by Lashlarue	Aug 20th, 2009 09:27:44 AM
it doesn't work.
It's quite nice by ultrakev69	Aug 20th, 2009 09:27:51 AM
My eyes are lying back smoking a cig right now feeling quite buzzy.
Not working by smiteboy	Aug 20th, 2009 09:28:17 AM
Eyeballs un-fucked
apple site not working by rajium32	Aug 20th, 2009 09:28:22 AM
the whole trailers site is down and out.
they dont work by richardphilip	Aug 20th, 2009 09:28:42 AM

This link worked for me by apollocandy	Aug 20th, 2009 09:28:51 AM
http://www.apple.com/movies/fo x/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-ts r_720p.mov
Wat? by MrDuke118	Aug 20th, 2009 09:28:55 AM
Looks like a Warcraft players wet dream. Judgment reserved
My eyes by EGOvoruhk	Aug 20th, 2009 09:29:08 AM
The goggles do nothing
This one actually works by louisse	Aug 20th, 2009 09:29:29 AM
http://specials.divertissement s.fr.msn.com/cinema/avatar/def ault.aspx
Alright, suppose by TheBoyFromUlster	Aug 20th, 2009 09:29:37 AM
Looks alright, defo be there front and centre when it opens in December but for me Cameron will never, ever beat Aliens. Thats the film that made me fall in love with cinema....
STILL NOT WORKING... by maliswan	Aug 20th, 2009 09:29:40 AM
what am I doing wrong?
Here's a link to a working trailer by DrunkyMcLush	Aug 20th, 2009 09:29:46 AM
it's 720P: http://www.apple.com/movies/fo x/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-ts r_720p.mov
...all I get is "?" by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:29:49 AM

#11 by JeffManSixtyFo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:29:56 AM
Heh
French MSN works by santoanderson	Aug 20th, 2009 09:30:05 AM
http://specials.divertissement s.fr.msn.com/cinema/avatar/def ault.aspx
Yup, all the signs are there by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 09:30:11 AM
for another Cameron classic. The music is fucking cool too.
can't get it to work by kafox	Aug 20th, 2009 09:30:19 AM
very sad, but I enjoyed the leaked trailer yesterday, stunning.
some sort of error getting the HD version. gay. by Mysterious_Volvo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:30:33 AM

more website fail.... by intersect	Aug 20th, 2009 09:30:38 AM

Trailer Site Fucked by mordorclaw	Aug 20th, 2009 09:31:03 AM
Yet again...The avatar web team fails. Useless fucks. I think they are just trying to alienate the fan base. Lame.
Way to go Apple by Dublin579	Aug 20th, 2009 09:31:07 AM
Epic Fail etc. Why bother having the big countdown thing at all?
less than impressive by StovetopStuffin'	Aug 20th, 2009 09:31:19 AM
looks like the stereoscopic 3d aspect is what will be it's selling point.
they broke the internet! by ilander66	Aug 20th, 2009 09:31:42 AM
not workin not workin come on come on!
EPIC FAIL by Trannyformers_Apologist	Aug 20th, 2009 09:32:12 AM
JAR JAR AVATAR FUCK YEAH 400 million dollar FURY CARTOON: The Movie LOOK LIKE SHIT LMAO
...fuck this. Those stills made my eyes sleepy, not horny. by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:32:20 AM

ah, maybe the "?" IS the trailer.... by intersect	Aug 20th, 2009 09:32:26 AM
Genius!!!!
alvin and the chipmunks squeakquel was better by JeffManSixtyFo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:32:43 AM

10,000 B.C In Blue by Marcus1138x	Aug 20th, 2009 09:32:45 AM
Love it! Can't wait for the 15 minutes tomorrow!
What's the point of having a countdown... by AJD_1	Aug 20th, 2009 09:32:52 AM
...if the damn thing doesn't work!!
AVATAR is a hoax. There is no AVATAR. by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:33:47 AM

Love it. by SeanMiller	Aug 20th, 2009 09:34:08 AM
The music totally made the trailer. The Navi look a little stupid at first, but so did the aliens in District 9. After watching the preview multiple times they look less dumb. The action looks to be amazing though. I love that the marines are taken right out of Aliens. No need to reinvent the colonial marines. Maybe Avatar and Aliens takes place in the same universe?
IT'S NOT FUCKING WORKING. by --- Emperor ---	Aug 20th, 2009 09:34:11 AM
WORTHLESS FUCKING RETARDS. FIX THE FUCKING BULLSHIT AT ONCE YOU INCOMPETENT RATS.
by santoanderson	Aug 20th, 2009 09:34:40 AM
http://images.apple.com/movies /fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a -tsr_h1080p.mov
Welp... by xcornealiousx	Aug 20th, 2009 09:34:48 AM
Looks pretty fantastic, but is it just me, or do the Na'vi look .. slightly CGI...as in I just thought it'd look more realistic. Im sure itll be awesome though. The action sequences looked amazing.
Wow the haters are out already huh? by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 09:35:01 AM
Back...back to your Abrams/Bay/McG shit. The moment where Worthington smiles at his avatar tells you all you need to know, you're in the hands of someone that actually know how to make films.
Underwhelmed by dastickboy	Aug 20th, 2009 09:35:03 AM
I know it's a teaser, but the lack of dialogue was a bit worrying. Otherwise it was...a hollywood sci-fi film. Maybe this thing only comes to life in 3D?
My first thought - oh shit, Cameron's gone Lucas on us. by JuanSanchez	Aug 20th, 2009 09:35:08 AM
WTF? The alien action looks like a weird CG kids movie. My enthusiasm level has dropped to zero. James - let me know when you plan to make movies with people again.
EGOvoruhk by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha	Aug 20th, 2009 09:35:20 AM
Haha, thanks for the laugh. Yeah, this is a buzzkill. Where dat trailer at? I'll be patient. www.agenesisfound.com
1080P . . . . . .and it still sucks by jjensen9971	Aug 20th, 2009 09:35:20 AM
nope.
Okay, so they've screwed up tickets AND the trailer now by SnowDogs	Aug 20th, 2009 09:35:33 AM
I'm starting to get pissed at this movie.
JUST AS I FUCKIN' FEARED by Ashen Shugar	Aug 20th, 2009 09:35:46 AM
This is it. We now all know the truth. This is ugly as shit, CG everywhere, this is Final Fantasy Spirits Within only 1000 times uglier, there is the same eyeball problem than those Zemeckis shites, thank god Rothman is going down with this but fuck it Jim, you should have realised that you had no taste and use some Rick Baker here and there. THIS IS INSANELY UGLY, and yes MSN works, not Glorious quicktime...
720p . . . . . . . . .and it really sucks by jjensen9971	Aug 20th, 2009 09:36:01 AM
sorry.
MotoWhateverYourNameIs by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 09:36:18 AM
...I doubt many people will notice much eyeball fucking come December is this laughable trailer is anything to go by!
saw it on the french msn by Chagui	Aug 20th, 2009 09:36:24 AM
and I have one question to ask. That's the trailer for the videogame, right? right? because that can't be the real trailer, it simply cannot, it's so fucking cartoony its laughable!!! please let this be a hoax, a prank, this movie, from what I've seen in the teaser, cannot be this cartoony, come on JC, you can't be serious with this!!! fuck, no way you're raping my eyeballs with that limp, flacid, little, miniature cock of a teaser. Expectations checked.
Very dissapointing..... by simongarth2001	Aug 20th, 2009 09:36:29 AM
...Looks like an xbox 360 game. i guess we've come as far as cgi can go....cause this SURE doesn't look photo realistic!!! At least the story should be ok, coming from cameron....but not impressed at all by the graphics.
Reminds me of Titan AE... by JuanSanchez	Aug 20th, 2009 09:36:45 AM
Too action heavy and adult for little kids, too cartoony for adults.
YUS! by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Aug 20th, 2009 09:36:47 AM
thanks.
Just saw the frenchie trailer by Dr_PepperSpray	Aug 20th, 2009 09:36:54 AM
Ehhhh... Okay. I gotta go with the naysayers. So all the hype this thing has been getting, and for as long as they've worked on it, why does the modeling look like crap? Why does this thing look exactly like what someone else said earlier, a world of warcraft trailer. ...I dunno guys. This doesn't look like money well spent and if it weren't for James Cameron's name I'd probably over-look this.
fucking hell fire by richardphilip	Aug 20th, 2009 09:37:18 AM
brilliant. tomorrow night cant come soon enough for me.
1080P on a 62" Plasma . . . . . .on it still REALLY REALLY sucks by jjensen9971	Aug 20th, 2009 09:37:40 AM
I'll try on my itouch now . . ..
I kinda feel like Juan here by xcornealiousx	Aug 20th, 2009 09:37:49 AM
I just DON'T get how District 9 looked SO realistic for $30 mill, yet Lucas and Cameron spend WAy more, and get a less realistic view.
720 link is working by cool_britannia79	Aug 20th, 2009 09:38:03 AM
just takes a while to buffer
looks nice enough by supermarch	Aug 20th, 2009 09:38:27 AM
Dunno what the insane fanboyism is over. I'll watch it when it comes out.
of course its gonna look CG by intersect	Aug 20th, 2009 09:38:33 AM
sigh... looking for something to hate, you will always find
To All you haters out there... by Dead_Geek	Aug 20th, 2009 09:38:54 AM
... This film will be a big stinking pile of horse Sh*t!
Clunk! Not workin. Ah..technology. by brock landers baby	Aug 20th, 2009 09:39:02 AM
Fucking shite.
NOTHING WORKS by Kaiser Soze	Aug 20th, 2009 09:39:22 AM
Okay, I tried each of the HD trailers (480, 720, 1080), and they tell me they're not files that Quicktime understands. So I try the standard def. and get a broken link symbol. So I tried a couple of the posted "this page works" links and all I get is a frozen green preview screen. I don't know about my eyeballs, but I feel fucked right now.
Tired of this cliche by kingink123	Aug 20th, 2009 09:39:42 AM
Does EVERY CG creature have to strike a pose and roar before attacking? It's almost as irritating as hearing the wilhelm scream for the thousandth time in a movie.
Why do these big directors... by JuanSanchez	Aug 20th, 2009 09:39:54 AM
want to work with CG characters instead of actors? Lucas, Zemekis, now Cameron, soon Jackson and Spielberg. What's the deal? Actors just don't get close enough to their vision anymore?
The new Pixar movie looks great. ! by Georges Bouche	Aug 20th, 2009 09:39:56 AM
Is there a Randy Newman song about Space Marines ?
the shark is working, over. by illegaltouching	Aug 20th, 2009 09:40:04 AM
the boat is sinking, over.
No good on the itouch either . . .. . guess I'll just go watch I by jjensen9971	Aug 20th, 2009 09:40:16 AM

Looks fucking stupid - like Napolean Dynomite characters by Professor_Monster	Aug 20th, 2009 09:40:18 AM
I never understood the appeal of animal/people - and having them fly around on big bugs - nope not for me
Teaser for the game? Please!! by Sagart1994	Aug 20th, 2009 09:40:45 AM
Come on!! Tell me that was the teaser for the PS3 Avatar game cause if THAT'S what we've been waiting for... Very disappointed. And kwisatzhaderach? "The moment where Worthington smiles at his avatar tells you all you need to know, you're in the hands of someone that actually know how to make films." WHAT??? Sorry, but that's the silliest thing I've heard in a long, long time.
looks Like Ferngully the last rainforest by ilander66	Aug 20th, 2009 09:40:56 AM
quite nice but.....not the eyeball mashing its been built up to be
Another typical Apple FAIL!!! by DirkBelig	Aug 20th, 2009 09:41:03 AM
They put up a countdown and when it expires, the page is blank for 7 minutes. Then the HD links just come up with a ?. I'll probably see the preview tomorrow night faster than Apple will learn how to properly run a web site and make technology. Losers. Stick to music players and toy phones and leave the real tech to those who know what they're doing. kthxbai!
I will settle for 720 by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha	Aug 20th, 2009 09:41:12 AM
Brand loyalty for apple sucks, but I must be honest with myself. www.agenesisfound.com
720 doesn't work! by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha	Aug 20th, 2009 09:42:01 AM
snap
Hmmm. by adolfwolfli	Aug 20th, 2009 09:42:08 AM
Not immediately impressed. I love James Cameron, but in the 15 years or so since he's made a sci-fi film, the design of sci-fi films has evolved. This looks very 90s to my eyes. I was thinking it'd looks more slick and sophisticated, but it's looking a little video-gamish and kids-film-like. But, it's just a trailer. I'm sure as an experience it'll be pretty amazing.
Is this Toy Story 3-D? by RainesMaker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:42:25 AM
The new toys look great
finally worked, looks amazing by kafox	Aug 20th, 2009 09:42:40 AM
I'm excited to see how this looks on the big screen in 3D.
This is a non-QT link: by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:42:56 AM
http://avatar.substance001.inf o/
So we waited 12 years... by Captain_James_T_Stubbs	Aug 20th, 2009 09:43:11 AM
And all we got was Star Wars Episode 1 but with more mechanical robots? FUCK YOU CAMERON
It's that this was billed as a game-changer... by JuanSanchez	Aug 20th, 2009 09:43:17 AM
If it was just some random movie it would be one thing - this is a highly anticipated James Cameron film long in development and production that Cameron has built up as something truly groundbreaking. That's why it's being judged harshly.
Do I need to see Delgo first by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 09:43:36 AM
To understand this sequel?
Navi design by RainesMaker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:44:15 AM
something about their faces looks ridiculious... its adding to the cartoonishness
"Photo-real?" Ok - if you say so JC. by sevadro	Aug 20th, 2009 09:44:20 AM
You do know what "photo-real" means? Because these aliens are about as photo-real as The Hulk. Still want to see it, but don't give me crap and call it caviar.
Look at the mechs... by Ashen Shugar	Aug 20th, 2009 09:45:16 AM
Remember Matrix revolutions ??? Much much better photorealistic looking in this old steampile of shite, and don't tell me it was easier in a tech environment than in the Jungle, we are three years later.
There's a lot of estrogen in this board... by DrunkyMcLush	Aug 20th, 2009 09:45:33 AM
Go clean the sand out of your vaginas and stop your bitching. Boo-fucking-who. Hating a movie based on 2 minutes of footage? REALLY?? Bitch as much as you want, the world will still continue to spin and the movie will still exist.
To Kaiser Soze by --- Emperor ---	Aug 20th, 2009 09:45:37 AM
Download real player (it's free)...Then go back to the "frozen green preview screens", and instead of waiting for it to load, simply click "download with realplayer"...You will see the blue download screen if you scroll the mouse to the top right of the green strip...It works great for many embedded clips...
looks amazing by lumberjaw	Aug 20th, 2009 09:45:42 AM
I don't know what the haters are talking about... like what kind of movie were you expecting??? Why hate on a movie like this? GO AWAY WHINERS.
Sagart1994 by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 09:45:44 AM
What I meant is that there is clearly an element of wonder in the film... something I haven't seen in a film for years.
So James Cameron by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 09:45:56 AM
Was the one that paid money to stop Delgo from being seen.
JuanSanchez by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 09:46:05 AM
I'm with you on part of your argument, but the point of using CG is to create convincing characters that are not simply just a man in a suit - and using mo-cap utilises an actor's performance, not just key frame animation. However, yep, the N'avi, while they look nice in terms of design, don't look like the photoreal characters Cameron said he was doing.
i'm not sold on the art style by cool_britannia79	Aug 20th, 2009 09:46:12 AM
that looked like gungans in some places
lumberjaw by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 09:46:32 AM
They're upset its not up to the standards of Transformers 2, Star Trek and Terminator: Salvation.
OH MY GOD! by mastes360	Aug 20th, 2009 09:46:45 AM
That was incredible imo, breathtaking. I love the build up music in the trailer, it makes the film look epic. I bet we still get some haters though, it is AICN afterall.
District 9 looked more real on a 30 million dollar budget! by blackmantis	Aug 20th, 2009 09:47:01 AM
Cameron made the mistake of making his shots too beautiful, to the point that they look phony. Not impressed.
First of all, it's only a movie so fucking relax by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:47:11 AM
Winning the Lotto, fucking a supermodel, being elected President... those are game changers for a person. Seeing a movie is simply giving 2 hrs of yourself for a diversion. So... relax. Second, it's a fucking teaser. So, anyone saying this movie is shit already is entitled to their opinion, but it's not based on much substance at all. Personally, I think the Na'vi CG looks silly in places. But then 99% of CG is silly in my book. Newsflash: None of this shit is real.
Photoreal if you took pictures of your game screen by Brosefulae	Aug 20th, 2009 09:47:20 AM
Then yeah...it's photo real.
Two words: computer game by BenBraddock	Aug 20th, 2009 09:47:25 AM
Sorry but I expected something...more. I'm tired of dodgy CGI creatures inhabiting dodgy CGI worlds, and this isn't, by the looks of things, going to be the one to change all of that after all. Despite the hype. Shame.
However... by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 09:47:31 AM
I am still very much looking forward to seeing the film. I hope the story is good, as it should be. Story front and centre, it's method of execution as invisible as it can be.
The look is good. Movement and acting?...ok I guess. by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:48:32 AM

I wasn't the one claiming it would be a game-changer... by JuanSanchez	Aug 20th, 2009 09:48:49 AM
that was Cameron - and he has to answer for the disappointment.
Yackbacker by Brosefulae	Aug 20th, 2009 09:48:54 AM
Don't bitch at people who are pointing out how fake it looks. If Cameron hadn't made this into something it's not, none of these comments would exist. He deserves every bit of it.
480, 720 and 1080 trailers... by REAL6	Aug 20th, 2009 09:48:57 AM
That work!!! http://images.apple.com/movies /fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a -tsr_h480p .mov http://images.apple.com/movies /fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a -tsr_h720p .mov http://images.apple.com/movies /fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a -tsr_h1080 p.mov
okeyyy... by Graffelaff	Aug 20th, 2009 09:49:08 AM
cant wait to see some Avatar porn, hehe :)
Game Changer by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 09:49:14 AM
When Cameron said "game changer" I think he was speaking in terms of the industry, not altering an permanently audience member's perception.
mastes360 by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 09:49:19 AM
Exactly. That music as the gunship flies past the floating mountains... if that doesn't get to you there really is no hope. Expert teaser in my book.
I usual LOATH THE TB HATERS..BUT by xcornealiousx	Aug 20th, 2009 09:49:39 AM
Im kinda feeling this way, I love all James Camerons work, and Im sure I'll enjoy this movie, but now Im more excited for Chris Nolans trailer...the man who avoids cgi as much as possible.
And I'm not saying the movie is shit... by JuanSanchez	Aug 20th, 2009 09:49:49 AM
I'm saying I'm profoundly disappointed.
http://images.apple.com/movies/f ox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 09:49:57 AM
http://images.apple.com/movies /fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a -tsr_h1080p.mov
It's a high tech cartoon. by DonnaDarko	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:01 AM
Seriously - it looks like what my nieces watch on Saturday AMs on the Cartoon Network. It's not REMOTELY by ANY stretch of ANY imagination 'photo real'. Not even close. What was Cameron thinking to convince himself otherwise?!?! Christ - actors in make-up could make this thing look better. Cameron needs to shut the hell UP now and forget the bragging rights. Avatar should be promoted as a high tech adult animation film - not the be-all and end-all of SciFi 2009.
Some of the effects shots look great.... by Orbots Commander	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:13 AM
...others, not so much. The aliens look spectacular but 'the world' shots look like something out of a video game. I'm intrigued, but no, there isn't any eyeball penetration happening here. And I slaved over this candle-lit dinner with wine, waiting to set the mood for eyeball intercourse---for nothing!
go back and look at past cgi, by intersect	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:17 AM
and you'll find you're making THAT into something its not. This looks great, better than anything so far, can't wait for 3d tomorrow
eyeball violation, etc... by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:33 AM
Who the hell coined that infantile temr anyway? It couldn't have been Cameron. More likely some dimwit TBer.
...looks like the effort went into the models, not movement... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:39 AM
...or physics...at least from this trailer.
I'm starting to wonder if the problem by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:42 AM
is on my end. None of these are working. Apparently that's okay, because the internet says it sucks. Thank you internet. www.agenesisfound.com
meh by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:46 AM

Looks good to me... by JKrow21	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:48 AM
I'm not sure what looks so shitty about this. I hope the CGI is polished up a bit more before release but it looks like a good sci-fi movie. Oh and District 9 was overrated.
feeling slightly ill by swanstep	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:51 AM
That looks like an xbox 360 game alright. Holy crap. :(
kwisatzhaderach by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:53 AM
there was `wonder`alright.I wondered what the fuck all the fuss is about.
The 720 link worked first try by Jaka	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:54 AM
And that's the only one I looked at. I love the way nearly every second looked. I'm official excited. Everybody won't like it. Some people just want to hate. Some people probably pumped themselves up too much and expected more. I didn't expect that much. And I actually expected something quite different. It was just a trailer, so I won't get silly about it. But I challenge everyone, in a friendly way, to name something else that it looks like. Doesn't look like the Final Fantasy. Doesn't look like any Pixar film. Doesn't look like any Dreamworks Animation. I saw just a tiny bit of clunkiness in the Avatar's running scenes, but that could just be there mechanics. The humans didn't seem to have the same funky stride. Anyway, I'm excited to sit in a theater opening weekend and geek out now. It will actually be my first film I see with any kind of new 3D technology.
MEH 2: MEH HARDER by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 09:50:57 AM

Saw the french version by S-Mart shopper	Aug 20th, 2009 09:51:12 AM
and my eyeballs were molested
Mechwarrior by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 09:51:33 AM
Anyone remember that awesome old ass video game? Thats was this reminds me of.
Intersect - - Go watch District 9 by Brosefulae	Aug 20th, 2009 09:51:35 AM
And realize how painfully wrong you are.
Yeah, FlickaPoo saw it too by Jaka	Aug 20th, 2009 09:51:56 AM
Glad I didn't imagine that.
The soundtrack sounds good though. by DonnaDarko	Aug 20th, 2009 09:52:29 AM
Just to throw that out there. It's the best thing about the teaser.
chuffsterUK by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 09:53:09 AM
Back, back to your McG/Abrams/Bay shitfests! Get back while you still can!
I kept expecting Jar Jar to show up. by JuanSanchez	Aug 20th, 2009 09:53:12 AM

Does this movie end by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 09:53:17 AM
With it was all a dream?
who cares when expendables is fucking your wife in 2009? by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 09:53:41 AM

i'm quite saddened by this by cool_britannia79	Aug 20th, 2009 09:53:51 AM
after everything we've heard, it's little more than a CGI ferngully. Look at the shot of the ship landing in the forest, with the animal running away. That looks far too much like a painting, it's just not gritty enough to look anythign like real. And towards the end of the trailer, there's a non CGI shot of Worthington sandwiched between 2 effects shots, the difference is jarring. Like others have said, usually I hate the whining talkbackers, but this is leaving me with the same sense of disappointment as Phantom Menace. Sorry to be pessimistic dudes.
Tentacle Love! by kikuchiyoboy	Aug 20th, 2009 09:54:18 AM
Curious how the Sneak Preview preview will look compared to the online footage.
watched it by rancthetank	Aug 20th, 2009 09:54:30 AM
and I'll probably watch it more before tomorrow. Quit whining, most of you people, and I include myself, are gonna see 16 minutes of it FOR FREE tomorrow anyways.
Brosefulae, you guys sound like babies by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:01 AM
Like someone pissed in your breakfast cereal. I admit the CG looks bad, I'm not disagreeing. But some of you come off like you're truly offended. Get a grip.
Well... by Dr_Monty	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:21 AM
I'm not going to dismiss this yet... I mean we all know that all of you people saying "fuck this movie" right now are going to go running to see it when it comes out, and so will i. But this really does look pretty errr.. standard... Almost bad for the stuff we have seen lately. Maybe this are old renders, don't know, and nobody is going to know until the movie comes out. But i think that they should have done better for the teaser after all the hype...
Ok in HD by erichaislar	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:24 AM
It looks a 1000 times better. I am sure on IMAX It's going to look even better.
You people... by Pooty	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:27 AM
...have no idea how fucking hard it is to do what they are doing. And on the scale they are doing it. My hats off to them. It's amazing. I can't wait to see this film.
when the phantom menace trailer came out by illegaltouching	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:30 AM
expectations were heightened. maybe it's better this way.
Damn by mastes360	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:43 AM
Are some of you realy watching the same trailer that i have?, this thing is jaw dropping.
Don't forget... by Ashen Shugar	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:50 AM
it is not supposed to be "just a movie", it's fuckin' 350 Millions US DOLLARS, not talking about additive P&A, and some formerly incredibly smart guy who took a huge huge bonerhead ("I'm the king of the World") and forgot to ask any talented guy : "do you believe this is good looking and finely executed ?". Guys at Fox lost their mind, will lose their jobs, and for all I loved in JC's career I'm sorry to say this is ugly as shit and not good CG at all. And no this universe does not look real and eyeballs blowing.
Oh and I am of the camp that thinks Cameron is overrated by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:55:55 AM
I never understood the worship the geek community piles on him. But at the same time, it's a teaser and everyone seems to be up in arms.
Looks like a live action Heavy Metal story by AlibyebyeEssmob	Aug 20th, 2009 09:56:00 AM
Which is totally awesome. Unhinged, creative fantasy. Why the hate? No, it's not photoreal, but it's badass, and that's good enough for me.
MAN DID YOU SEE SAM WORTHINGTON THOUGH! by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 09:57:33 AM
That guys got some acting chops! His use of wheel chair rivals Daniel Day Lewis. He embodies Stephen Hawking in the mere 5 seconds we saw him. He should star in everything!
Cameron's boat movie sucked! by S-Mart shopper	Aug 20th, 2009 09:57:36 AM

Cameron better hope tomorrow goes better.. by bobjustbob	Aug 20th, 2009 09:57:38 AM
than today. This looks .... not good. No wonder there hasn't been any production stills. If the AVATAR preview tomorrow goes poorly then this movie is in serious trouble. Grain of salt: I thought TITANIC would be a huge flop too.
Cameron pisses money, he always has by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:57:43 AM
Any studio dumb enough to write him a $350 million check deserves to have its ass kicked. That's just silly business right there. The moviegoing audience has shrunk considerably since even TITANIC. Fuck FOX, seriously. They make shitty movies all of the time, they deserve a major embarrassment.
...for now the future is using CGI all the time but subtly... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 09:57:45 AM
...in ways that are hard to spot. I still don't think these full CG onslaughts are working yet...
I had no expectations and I love this... by Redfive!	Aug 20th, 2009 09:57:52 AM
this looks like a sci-fi film for the ages,of coarse it looks CGI...IT FUCKEN IS CGI.Awesome fantasy flick,cant wait.
Those blue things look stupid. by HerbWestAustin	Aug 20th, 2009 09:58:04 AM
absolutley
All its missing is Mark Hamill.... by Praetor	Aug 20th, 2009 09:58:07 AM
Lets nail those Kilrathi bastards.
Our expectations were too high by ForkTongue	Aug 20th, 2009 09:58:14 AM
Maybe we can lower them a little now. It looks good but my eyeballs are still virgins. I swear they used a Jumpback right in the middle of the trailer. At this point, it's pretty much a cliche to use a light tunnel effect to show any type of warp speed or mind transfer concept.
I scanned for nipple. by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 09:59:00 AM
I found nipple.
are you guys confused? by rancthetank	Aug 20th, 2009 09:59:08 AM
i think most of you are still watching this trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iYBRFJ9RArc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2 Fwww.aintitcool.com%2Fnode%2F4 2095&feature=player_embedded there is a new one thats out
Did Michael Mann direct the trailer? by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 09:59:18 AM
Just asking.
I like the aerial battle... by just pillow talk	Aug 20th, 2009 09:59:25 AM
but all the other CGI looks spotty, and not what I was hoping for.
Welcome back James Cameron...... by masteryoda007	Aug 20th, 2009 09:59:30 AM
What is thy bidding my master?
Is that Fox logo new? by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha	Aug 20th, 2009 09:59:40 AM
I've never seen it before. I like how it gives a specific geographic location in reference to the Hollywood sign. NOT SINCERE
kwisatzhaderach by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 09:59:42 AM
What a cock you are!
...the alien's expressions look goofy. I don't think... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:00:27 AM
...I will be able to get past it. Will try though...
Christopher Johnson kicks Na'vi ass! by sevadro	Aug 20th, 2009 10:00:49 AM
District 9 was photo-real or at least as close as I've ever seen. This looks like a Peter Jackson flick and mind you - I'm only criticizing the CGI. I'm sure the story will be tops, but first impressions are key IMO especially when Cameron comes out of his mouth with all that "game changer" yang yang.
wow, its that final fantasy cartoon from a few years back by gomez33	Aug 20th, 2009 10:00:54 AM
seriously, it looks like a cartoon. Action cartoons rarely work. I see an almighty flop here, the action didn't even look that great.
Oh so sweet. by knowthyself	Aug 20th, 2009 10:01:02 AM
Loved it.
Welcome back James Cameron...... by masteryoda007	Aug 20th, 2009 10:01:21 AM
What is thy bidding my master?
well done, that trailer debut was completely ballsed up. by Mysterious_Volvo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:01:40 AM

HEY CAMERON! how bout not lieing about making advancements in cg by Mysterious_Volvo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:02:15 AM

Avatar makes my balls ache!!! by ProziumJunkie	Aug 20th, 2009 10:03:09 AM
in a good way
glad I wasn't invested in this movie by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:03:45 AM

I think the live action stuff has been treated to make... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:03:58 AM
...it fit in with the animated stuff..instead of the other way around.
Just get Yao Ming and paint him blue by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:04:12 AM
Save hundreds of millions of dollars. Seriously.
So whats the point of the movie? by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:04:21 AM
Wheel chair guy becomes a fake blue guy to help infiltrate the world of Blue people, to aid humans in the fight to ummm set up a factory on their planet?
You guys are too quick to forget that by masteryoda007	Aug 20th, 2009 10:04:31 AM
This is a Jim Cameron film. As Jimm would say himself, "Fuck you or get out of the way" amen
Cool, but surprisingly pedestrian by REVENGE_of_FETT	Aug 20th, 2009 10:04:52 AM
I think it just has too much hype. There's nothing "wrong" per se, but the CGI is hardly mind-blowing. Hell, it's pretty cartoony. The Na'vi look very 2 dimensional. Nowhere NEAR Gollum or even Jar Jar Binks! It could be a color problem like we saw with the first Hulk. Overall it looks cool, but it looks like a kid's fantasy adventure movie Like The Neverending Story or something, but in an odd mash-up with Aliens. This trailer definitely lowered my expectations significantly.
Cameron has been trying to undersell us by FilmBuf82	Aug 20th, 2009 10:05:24 AM
he said, don't expect a Titanic or anything truly groundbreaking. Plus, in HD, the trailers look more clear, once its projected onto a giant screen, some of the grain will be restored and it should look fantastic. I'm still a little disappointed though. But it's Cameron, his movies aren't all about the effects, he's a good storyteller, too. I'll take this over Bay any day.
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Don't hate it...just not impressed by londoncalling	Aug 20th, 2009 10:05:27 AM

looks better than most most stuff, like king kong, but by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:05:41 AM

its all about the story folks... by snallyg	Aug 20th, 2009 10:05:50 AM
I haven't read the script, but the success or failure will hinge on the story: Engaging characters, plot, etc. Look at King Kong and Sup Returns. People would have been a lot more forgiving of the sometimes less than perfect CGI if the scripts had been better. As genre fans, we should want his to be good and succeed. If it flops it will mean less cool fantasy/sci fi movies. Isn't that the whole reason we're here? Isn't this the kind of fantastical stuff that gets up excited? I'm neither a hater or apologist. I just want a cool freakin movie experience. Isn't THAT the whole idea??
...usually the goal is to blend the CG with the real... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:05:54 AM
...looks like they realized that wasn't realistic for this movie so they tried to make the real look CG
terrible compared to D9 by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:05:59 AM

Eh.... by karmakitten13	Aug 20th, 2009 10:06:02 AM
The stills we've seen up until now haven't been all that great and this trailer was just ok. Reserving judgement until I see the movie, but after seeing this I will be going in with much lowered expectations.
It does look cartoony. by Lashlarue	Aug 20th, 2009 10:06:06 AM
Doesn't mean it'll be a bad movie, but this isn't a Star Wars type leap ahead in special effects.
looks better than most most stuff, like king kong, but by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:06:26 AM

terrible compared to D9 by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:06:33 AM

LOOKS LIKE LOST PLANET 2 by damiz707	Aug 20th, 2009 10:06:47 AM
I can't fucking stand CGI heavy movies. Guillermo Del Toro's creatures look way better than this.
Was that the boner by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:07:33 AM
From the Hottie and the Nottie and the Waking Up In Vegas video and Matrix nerd from Grandmas Boy?
chuffsterUK by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:07:33 AM
You're the cock.
MY EYES MY EYES MY EYES by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:07:40 AM
oh god i can not see,i am blind aaarghghghg
michael bay jerks off to Cameron's name by ProziumJunkie	Aug 20th, 2009 10:07:51 AM
to Cameron's movie trailers he jerks off then snorts coke and kills a hooker
Whoever said Ill take this over Bay.. by xcornealiousx	Aug 20th, 2009 10:08:02 AM
AMEN! Just saying District 9 looked more realistic!
Where the f**k was Sigourney? by Oompacabra	Aug 20th, 2009 10:08:37 AM
I'm not sure about this anymore.
HOLY FUCK!!!!!!! by twogunjames	Aug 20th, 2009 10:08:43 AM
It looks just like I knew it would. Green screen nonsense. FX driven shots that I could care less about. Creature designs that suck. I mean they are tall blue elves with very human features.Big fucking deal. And obviously this is going to be a story about a marine going native and helping the indians from the white devils trying to put them in reservations so later than can build casinos!
FernGully 2: The Magical Rescue by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:08:59 AM
Was over 10 years ago. Man I'm tired of all these reboots.
Didn't I play this as a first person shooter? by I_Snake_Plissken	Aug 20th, 2009 10:09:14 AM
I would consider myself a big Cameron fan so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt – but my immediate reaction is this looks pretty bad (as in had I seen this trailer and not known it was Cameron I wouldn’t think it would be something I’d need to see in the theater). The ending kiss scene looks straight out of some cheeseball video game cut scene. It makes me wonder if everybody n this board who are saying, wow revolutionary, great! Are the same people who still think the new Star Wars trilogy is good. Just seeing this makes me think you’ll see Watchmen like performance – a big first weekend bump from the sci-fi geeks than a big drop-off from people who think it’s just another Beowulf-ish experiment.
saw the footage at Comic Con... by scaryskeleton	Aug 20th, 2009 10:09:23 AM
Guys you do not know what you are in for. Cameron, as opposed to McG, Bay, etc. is a real filmmaker. He knows how to build suspense and immerse you in a world. Gollum wasn't "photo real" either, but you cared about his performance. This movie in 3d on a big screen will astonish. Bless you Cameron for taking the time to make something amazing and original.
Oompacabra by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:09:50 AM
Sigourney was the voice of the computer.
Oompacabra by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:10:19 AM
Sigourney is the crazy lady that lives in the jungle with blue apes.
Oompacabra by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:10:51 AM
Sigourney was the mech technician.
An awesome effects test for the Halo movie by cool_britannia79	Aug 20th, 2009 10:11:00 AM
Which is ironic seeing as though District 9 is blowing Avatar away. If you don't have the capability, technology, and vision, to convincingly portray an alien world in CGI, don't do it. They could have used real rainforest here on Earth for Pandora, look at all 3 Jurassic Park movies, those fight scenes in the jungle looked superb.
looks better than most most stuff, like king kong, but by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:11:16 AM

terrible compared to D9 by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:11:22 AM

Anyone else think the Nav'i look a little gay?? by Marxeffect	Aug 20th, 2009 10:11:24 AM
I know they're fluid in motion etc, etc but they do look a little bit camp!
Oompacabra by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:11:39 AM
Sigourney was the lady that reads off what the computer is saying.
terrible compared to D9 by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:11:43 AM

It's Not Photoreal! SHUT UP by LeCercleRouge	Aug 20th, 2009 10:12:06 AM
It never will be. There needs to be some disconnect in your mind from the fact that you are watching a CG special effect. You've never seen an 8 foot tall hippie alien. How the hell do you know how it looks? Also, at an expense of $240 million, don't you think they have just about the best technology/artists money can buy these days?
Could someone please tell me by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 10:12:15 AM
..just having a discussion,who insists the whole film is CGI.I thought the scenes such as Worthington in the wheelcahir etc were 100% human actors,he says they are CGI rendered.
Honestly guys... by mastes360	Aug 20th, 2009 10:12:16 AM
...Your hate never suprises me but even i am a little suprised by the hate for this. The film looks amazing and its only because of the sweeping camera shots and all the alien stuff that your brain knows must be fake and thats why it doesn't look real (by the way, how do you know alien worlds and aliens themselves don't look and move exactly like in this teaser?). distric 9 looked so good due to the earth setting, on'y the aliens and the hazy ship in the background was cgi and thats a lot easier for your brain to accept, also the documentary style as oppose to sweeping impossible camera shots like in Avatar certainly help your brain to accept it more. AVATAR will blow everyone away at the cinema, gauranteed.
TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC TITANIC by bobjustbob	Aug 20th, 2009 10:12:36 AM
I do like some of the Roger Dean-ish planetscapes. But in HD it really does look like World of Warcraft cut scenes. Only bluer.
Looks like Warcraft Vs. Starcraft. by Azlam Orlandu	Aug 20th, 2009 10:12:36 AM
Which is fine by my standards. You're a bunch of fags.
Oompacabra by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:12:41 AM
Sigourney is the gatekeeper. Are you the keymaster?
Just consider that a large portion of the CGI in this trailer by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:13:11 AM
Is being shown in slow-motion. That may be screwing with your perception of it as well.
Sc-Fi "Dances with Wolves"? by BibFortuna	Aug 20th, 2009 10:13:12 AM
That's what impression I'm getting here.
Underwhelming by judge dredds fresh undies	Aug 20th, 2009 10:13:12 AM
nothing too exciting on show. I still think the film will be awesome but I don't think they have enough material at this point to deliver a great trailer, which is I guess why this is billed as a teaser All the CG army stuff and fantasy creatures etc is such a well worn path now, its just no impressive even though this looks very well done and it reminds one of the bad taste left by the prequels.
Oompacabra by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:13:23 AM
Sigourney was Alvy's Date Outside Theatre. Ok I'm done.
VENTURE BROS. Season 4 trailer fucked my eyeballs harder by SpyGuy	Aug 20th, 2009 10:13:38 AM
Anyone else getting the feeling AVATAR is going to be a mega-bomb? I know I am.
Anyone who didnt like i............ by standundermyumbrella	Aug 20th, 2009 10:13:48 AM
must just fuck off and DIE
scaryskeleton...it is true that Cameron builds action... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:13:48 AM
...scenes as well or better than anyone...you find yourself tensing up even if you don't ant to...
Cameron blows it by Chesterfield Slacks	Aug 20th, 2009 10:14:14 AM
Sad. Nice execution by the artists involved, however no hint of originality whatsoever. It's late 80's Sci-Fi designs ported to 21st century CG. Eye-candy for geeks mired in "Aliens" hardware worship.
I LOVE IT!!!! by JohnRyder	Aug 20th, 2009 10:14:54 AM
I watched it 5 times so far. I truly love it! I am not sure about the navi, but once we get use to them it will be fine. as far the CGI concerned it is about the level of the Star Wars prequels and I think it is fine. CG in the star wars movies were never an issue to me (apart from some cheap looking bluescreen compositing) thinking about seeing it in IMAX 3D... all we can hope for. I personaly don't give a fuck if people like it or not it just make me sad we get film like this in every 10 year (yes) and people waste it on sensless hate. Good for you people (no, its not) For me, december cannot come fast enough
Hooh boy, when I saw the trailer two things... by Orbots Commander	Aug 20th, 2009 10:15:08 AM
...came to mind: 'Ferngully' and 'preachy-humans-are-evil-envir onmental-message-guilt-trip-mo vie'. The aliens and some of the action looks fine, but you get a sense of what the story is going to be from the trailer, and I'm sensing...Ferngully II: Avatar.
king kong's landscapes and animals weren't as good as that trail by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:15:28 AM

Avatar trailer by Tenenbaum	Aug 20th, 2009 10:15:36 AM
meh. eye balls certainly not fucked.
There is an upside by I_Snake_Plissken	Aug 20th, 2009 10:15:37 AM
If this blows up, maybe Cameron will be forced to make another Aliens or Terminator film to redeem himself….then again, we might just get Titanic II.
MY EYEBALLS!!! by The Penultimate Gunslinger	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:04 AM
That looks fucking awesome. Cameron's been playing too much Halo it seems, but it looks great.
WTF Apple? by Dr_PepperSpray	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:20 AM
I can't believe how badly they've buggered this up. Doesn't someone at AINTITCOOL have a contact over at Apple or Fox that can say "Hey, maybe you guys should pull this thing since it's kind of making you look bad." Thinking about the CG, the comparison to the hulk is pretty apt, who didn't look as bad once he got dirty. The thing that automatically let me down was seeing that Mech in the background when our hero wheels himself off the transport. That thing looks like it was ripped straight from Poser. Very plastic, Very fake. The same with the Transports flying through the Pandorian skies. There's practically no atmosphere. Nothing that muddies the shot up and makes it look real as opposed to fantasy mall art. I know it's a strange new world, but come on. Give the eye an anchor, will yah? The Navi also seem to lack a bit of grit. Maybe they'll look better when they get something on them but there's still a weight issue. Everything seems to be really light and cloth has this fat cartoony feel to it. It's as if the computer can't figure out cloth weigh, or hanging physics. Nothing mind blowing here. This is sad, because this thing is largely being sold on how impressive it's special effects are going to be. And I'll be honest, the story concept wasn't really that interesting to begin with. It just sounded like a plot device to get into a mess of CG effects but I thought, hey if the fireworks are going to be good I'll pay to see that. I dunno now. Need more input!
chuffsterUK by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:20 AM
Its not 100% CG, its a mix of live action and animation.
So the scenes by ledbowman	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:23 AM
from the "Greetings. I live Pandora" trailer were real after all.
So, James Cameron ... What You've Done ... by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:33 AM
... is spend the GDP of a small nation on creating a movie that looks a LITTLE better-rendered but imagewise is essentially the same as this: http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=EgQ_ichSL9A ... mixed with this ... http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=TkV-of_eN2w ... mixed with this ... http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=2Qd_IsxgAf8 ... Sorry, on the premiere day I'll be painting with the colors of MY wind in terms of my excitement over this project.
After District 9 .... by pita1963	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:38 AM
my reaction to this is - meh ...
Um... this thing looks like a fucking cartoon... by JackLucas	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:39 AM
THIS is what we have been told is going to rape our eyeballs and change the game and all of that hyperbolic horseshit? THIS is what they are having a special day for that people are shitting themselves to get tickets to see? I really hope the final product is more than that trailer because I'd hate to see Cameron's triumphant return end up being a fizzling bomb.
Worthington in the wheelchair coming out of the plain is cgi by Mysterious_Volvo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:16:43 AM
you can tell because he moves shit.
DioxholsterUnbound, the shots of Sully seeing his Avatar by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:17:23 AM
The shots of the Avatar waking up, the shots of his Avatar hooking up with the lady Na'vi... all slow-motion.
Those of you who judge a movie by its trailer... by Azlam Orlandu	Aug 20th, 2009 10:17:29 AM
...will be brutalized by me in the theater. That's not to say that I'm in stark defense of this film. But you're all ignorant fools who have been wrong many times in the past. Chalk another one up for your judgemental and ignorant existances.
Looks good but... by Scotious	Aug 20th, 2009 10:17:44 AM
...I guess wheelchair technology hasn't caught up in this future.
should star julie strain by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:18:05 AM

And DioxholsterUnbound, as for the QoS reference by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:18:26 AM
you've totally lost me. What are you babbling about?
I love Cameron's films... by simongarth2001	Aug 20th, 2009 10:18:49 AM
...but this just looks too much like a damn xbox game!! Did somebody forget to push the photo realistic button?......just sayin'.
kwisatzhaderach by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 10:18:58 AM
Thanks mate.So,for instance,the guy with the scar is real and Worthington in the wheelchair?
You idiots,fyou ucking ignorant kids by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:19:23 AM
have u read at all the interview cameron gave to aicn during comicon? go to the part where he says that one of the movies bigchallenges is to make the audience immerse to these alien characters and their world.And from the screen previews he already did,he witnessed that at first the audience had difficulty to think of the aliens as alive and not fake,not CG images.but quickly they got immersed into the movie,their mind let accept the photorealistic creatures as something real,as real as the real life actors of the movie.its all in the mind. In other words,your brain cant comprehend the image of the navi alien,because it hasnt seen a navi before,so it acknowledges as fake and as a result u get the impression that is cartoony. BUT download the HD version and look the navi when its in the table.DONT look its head,look his feet,look his hnds,look his skin how interact with the light and how it looks compared to the real actors in the scne. Now tell me does its cgi photorealism looks to u worse or even the same as those of TF2,GIJOE,D9 or even LOTR gollum? shut your mouth until tomorrows preview.if this stuff looks great in a downsided,compressed video file,it will be amazin in the big screen.
Beowulf by mastes360	Aug 20th, 2009 10:19:28 AM
Another thing, will people please realise that this is not Beowulf i.e. everything is cgi, AVATAR is like Sky Captain where the humans and some of the sets are all real and only the background, aliens, Pandora etc are cgi.
MATRIX vs. TPM all over again by snallyg	Aug 20th, 2009 10:19:36 AM
Seasoned veteran known for pioneering FX returns to the game with much hype and anticipation. Few months before release, a scrappy upstart (D9 in this case) steals the thunder. Lets just hope Avatar is better than EP 1, but the similarity is uncanny.
you're all still gonna see it. by richardphilip	Aug 20th, 2009 10:19:43 AM
so shut up. fucking whining yanks.
BibFortuna! by xcornealiousx	Aug 20th, 2009 10:19:48 AM
YOU ARE RIGHT! HAHAHAHA! This is a SciFi Dances with Wolves!!!! Minus the Ta-tonka!
This is going to be the exact reversal of Phantom Menace by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:20:04 AM
People complaining the trailer is shit, then getting their head fucking blown off in the theater.
AVATAR is the Bizarro version of DISTRICT 9 by SpyGuy	Aug 20th, 2009 10:20:41 AM
$350 million vs. $30 million. And the $30 million flick looks way better.
Wolfman trailer by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 10:21:11 AM
http://movies.yahoo.com/featur e/the-wolfman.html?showVideo=1
Does look better in Glorious quicktime. by Dr_PepperSpray	Aug 20th, 2009 10:21:27 AM
Guess they finally fixed it. Good work....
Bad CGI? by Lobanhaki	Aug 20th, 2009 10:21:40 AM
You've got to be kidding me. That was excellent CGI. The haters just don't suspend disbelief, so nothing looks real. I'll bet you the same people would have made the same complaints about ugly optical effects, were those the ones employed. As a person who actually knows a thing or two about CGI, and actually remembers what old CGI looks like, I can say that this is some excellent animation, and excellent rendering. The Problem we have here is that many of the talkbackers want the film to fail. So they nitpick. The reality is, most people won't nitpick. Most people will look at and just experience it. Anything done through special effects will look unreal if you look at it hard enough. Stop motion will give itself away through its jerkiness. Models by their scale of detail. Matte Paintings through their painted appearance. Optical composites through the matte lines, the generational degradation, and the problems with reflections. Everything unreal falls apart in a movie if you're looking to nitpick it. The best way to judge work is to relax, soak it in, and then judge. But that means losing control a little. However, you're judge an artform where absorption of that kind is part of the point.
chuffsterUK by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:21:51 AM
Right. All those portions were shot on live action sets. It goes CG when they head out into the jungle. (One exception being the shot where Worthington wheels himself out of the ship, clearly a CG background). Have we made up now?
Sorry Mr. Cameron by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLO0D	Aug 20th, 2009 10:21:56 AM
This doesn't seem like my type of movie. I could never hate on James Cameron after he dazzled me with Terminator 2 as a boy and made me literally weep in public during multiple showings of Titanic, but this just didn't excite me. But then, fantasy has never been my thing. If Harry gives it a positive review I'll give it a shot, but in all honesty... if I hadn't heard the hype or known who was directing I don't think I'd have finished watching the trailer. Good or bad, nothing could tarnish James Cameron in my eyes though. I applaud his experimentation.
crisp clear colorful by rajium32	Aug 20th, 2009 10:21:59 AM
seems to be the bane of CGI's existence. Where are dirty grainy seems to work better for CGI. crazy because it was such a huge deal in the early 90's to get dirty and grainy CGI. any thoughts?
ishtar2? by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:22:06 AM

hate the haters... by scaryskeleton	Aug 20th, 2009 10:22:13 AM
Seriously. Somebody swings for the bleachers and you guys dump on them. What makes me sick is that the studios really do read these things and attach weight to what you idiots say and think. The images look much better on a big screen and in their proper context. Just wait.
i dont know... by saint seiya	Aug 20th, 2009 10:23:10 AM
i was not impressed by this trailer at all :( Hopefully tomorrows screening fixes my dissapointment.
OF COURSE STAR WARS looks better... by Banshee7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:23:15 AM
ILM kicks WETA'S ass. Nuff' said. I do want to see the movie though.
That's it?! This looks like fucking Delgo! by juggygales1000	Aug 20th, 2009 10:23:17 AM
I am not impressed with the CGI. I'm not saying the movie doesn't look mildly entertaining but c'mon JC! We've waited 12 years for you to make a real kick ass movie ala Aliens, T2 or True Lies. This looks like child's play with CGI characters that not only do not suspend any sort of disbelief, but are distracting and pull you out of the movie. Somebody tell JC to call Peter Jackson so he can teach him how to make realistic CGI characters. Where's Gollum when you need him?
The first closeup of Saldana's character by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:23:21 AM
through the leaves in the jungle... that's pretty exceptional CG there. Look at the details on the skin texture.
Looks okay. by I Hope You Die	Aug 20th, 2009 10:23:57 AM
Some of the CGI is a bit wonky. But it's not awful.
YAAAWWWWNNNN........ by berksbear	Aug 20th, 2009 10:24:08 AM
.....SO bored with CGI characters in movies now!
FINALLY! by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha	Aug 20th, 2009 10:24:20 AM
It LOOKS pretty good, but I still can't see myself getting too amped for the story, and I'm already finding quite an uncanny valley in my empathy for the Narnia Centaur-looking muhfugs. Still, though, I can say this is visually impressive. www.agenesisfound.com
kwisatzhaderach by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 10:24:29 AM
Yes.....biatch;-)
kwisatzhaderach by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 10:24:34 AM
Yes.....biatch;-)
dances with aliens... by spidercoz	Aug 20th, 2009 10:24:37 AM
fucking sweet
kwisatzhaderach by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 10:24:40 AM
Yes.....biatch;-)
where "AS" - sorry by rajium32	Aug 20th, 2009 10:25:36 AM

fuck you ominus by cool_britannia79	Aug 20th, 2009 10:25:44 AM
you cock
Na'vi tails being inserted into flying things assholes.. by conspiracy	Aug 20th, 2009 10:25:55 AM
and in IMAX 3-D at that. Still, I'll see it...eco-fuck message and all. Can't wait for the game...hope it allows me to be the door gunner...killin spear and arrow chuckin Na'vi looks like fun.
And no cgi is crap,when it makes me pay attention in Neutiris as by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:25:58 AM

that looks really, really bad by mthrndr	Aug 20th, 2009 10:26:00 AM
My enthusiasm went from 10 to 0 so fast I got whiplash. The first 20 seconds are cool, and then the 'nav'i' show up. What was Cameron thinking?? "I want to make something bad-ass. I know, ten foot tall versions of the puppets from Dark Crystal, with a little bit of smurf thrown in!"
ass by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:26:13 AM

Who cares about the Effect... I want a good story by mistergreen	Aug 20th, 2009 10:26:35 AM

Well, I for one.. by Madcapper	Aug 20th, 2009 10:26:50 AM
think this looks very good. Exiting stuff. I don't care who you are. If you´re trying to sell me something, I will always take everything you say with a grain of salt..Therefore, I'm not bummed out, as many seems to be in this TB. It's a movie, not the fuckin second coming..
DioxholsterUnbound by gotilk	Aug 20th, 2009 10:27:23 AM
A program called "flashgot" (firefox plugin) allowed me to grab it.
The best thing in the trailer is... by TraumReiter	Aug 20th, 2009 10:27:31 AM
...him saying "This is great". The emotion is real you can feel it. I'm so excited for tomorrow. In Cameron we trust.
The skin was moving u idiot by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:27:32 AM
try not to be blind of your hate.
Mysterious Volvo... by The_Coyote	Aug 20th, 2009 10:27:36 AM
No, actually. It looks jittery because they've slowed down a shot that was filmed normal speed, so they're duplicating some of the 24 frames in order to increase the length of the shot. It has nothing to do with the CG. It's the frame rate. I can't believe some of the people here. Sure, if you don't like the premise or the universe, that's fine. But to say it looks like a video game just makes it sound like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I've gone through this thing frame-by-frame, and the rendering and effects here are amazing. There's subtle stuff going on that can only be appreciated when you're actually watching it for extended periods of time (not to mention we don't even get the 3D here). Is it completely photo-real, indistinguishable to the eye? No. But it's still some of the most impressive and immersive effects work that's ever been done.
Looks fucking awesome! by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Aug 20th, 2009 10:27:46 AM
Fin.
Ok, now I have something to get excited over by Geomancer21	Aug 20th, 2009 10:27:51 AM
About damn time. some footage, its all i wanted. Now I want to see this. looks badass.
My eyes are dripping with JC's Semen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! by crackerfarmboy	Aug 20th, 2009 10:27:54 AM
Seriously, what's the big deal here? Looks interesting but it's a CGI flick. I don't see anything "so revolutionary" about the CGI in this trailer.
YackBacker by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:28:01 AM
That's an incredible shot.
So much anger. by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:28:11 AM
Good luck finding happiness in the world, gents.
that looks like a poop by bright boy	Aug 20th, 2009 10:28:24 AM

Is it wrong if the alien chick gave me wood? by rev_skarekroe	Aug 20th, 2009 10:28:32 AM
Hypothetically speaking, of course.
Looks like a CG version of Ferngully by shitstorm23	Aug 20th, 2009 10:29:49 AM
That's what I take from that, we'll see if it looks any better at the preview tomorrow.
And THIS is what AICN is all about by chuffsterUK	Aug 20th, 2009 10:30:10 AM
All of us verbally kicking the shit/or praising a trailer in the medium we love and all of us verbally kicking the shit/praising each other,knowing full well most of us are posting each insult with a wry grin and the thought that we actually would share a beer with everyone here.
Wolfman trailer by ledbowman	Aug 20th, 2009 10:30:16 AM
is where it's at.
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLO0D by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:30:27 AM
Dumbass DGDB hates T2.
Yeah, kwisatzhaderach I think people will do an about-face by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:30:29 AM
When this comes out, they'll say "OMFG!" etc. I am not a huge Cameron fan, I think he's a maudlin storyteller, heavy-handed with the characterizations, etc. But this looks damn interesting. Of course, I'm not expecting eyeball fellatio, or whatever these people were praying for. It's just a movie... and this one is looking good.
YackBacker & kwisatzhaderach by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 20th, 2009 10:30:51 AM
You guys are two discernable gents. What's your overall opinion of this here trailer? (Unfortunately, I cannot view it while at work.) On a side note, it looks like some of the girls from AIBN have come out to play. Keep your eyes on those underscore bitches.
DO YOU FAGS LIKE ANYTHING? by Atomica	Aug 20th, 2009 10:30:52 AM
Seriously? I haven't seen the Trailer...i'm saving my eyes for Avatar Day. But C'mon...you Motherfuckers BITCH about every Goddamned movie. EVERY FUCKING ONE. I know that some shit needs to haveit's ass raped for shittiness...Can we say Van Helsing? Come the fuck on man...Avatar? Seriously? No wonder why Kevin Smith made JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK. You BitchTits are LOCO. I wish I could see ONE, just ONE fucking movie that you dickshits didn't rip a new one. Spazzes.
Hey Lobanhaki... by juggygales1000	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:01 AM
I don't think people want to see this thing fail. It's just that after the "Lord of the Rings" series, people have HIGH expectations for what CGI characters are supposed to look and 'feel" like. I don't want to "suspend disbelief"... I WANT TO BELIEVE that what I am seeing on the screen is REAL, not spent the whole movie trying to convince my brain that what I am seeing is real. This looks good, just not good enough. Like I said before, in my opinion, this really does look like "Delgo" to me. LOTR changed my perception of what CGI and CGI characters could be. Gollum felt like a living, breathing real creature. This just doesn't do it for me and after sing this trailer, Its changed my expectations for the film and my exitement for it. I love JC movies and am not a hater, just a realist.
My favorite moment... by gotilk	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:06 AM
The way the male avatar's ears and features kind of stretch back like a cat reacting with surprise or danger when faced with one of those flying things coming at him. Little details like that are becoming more obvious with each viewing. I think many of you will be surprised when you finally see it in 3d, with longer to gaze upon the characters in full resolution. I get the feeling this is going to spawn a generation of new furries and a renewed interest in consumer VR head-tracking, head mounted or retinal displays. Bring it on.
Yeah Neutiri is hot by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:11 AM

Is AICN really that excited by this? by Sloopjohnb	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:21 AM
Ok, Harry I can understand: the man likes just about everything enthusiastically and there is that part of him that comes of as a shill (which I don't mind, btw). Quint seems like the only level headed person on this site (in regards to Avatar). How anyone can be excited by the terrible looking aliens is beyond me... They look like something out of a bad video game.
Is AICN really that excited by this? by Sloopjohnb	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:27 AM
Ok, Harry I can understand: the man likes just about everything enthusiastically and there is that part of him that comes of as a shill (which I don't mind, btw). Quint seems like the only level headed person on this site (in regards to Avatar). How anyone can be excited by the terrible looking aliens is beyond me... They look like something out of a bad video game.
Some darn fine Occulingus by yomomma	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:28 AM
Any of you haters still trashing this movie just on principal officially are dead inside.
I've watched The Phantom Menace... by Azlam Orlandu	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:38 AM
...50 times more than The Matrix. And I'm sure I'm not alone.
And by bring it on, I mean the VR. by gotilk	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:43 AM
Not the furries. ahem.
EVERYBODY: SHUT THE FUCK UP! by --- Emperor ---	Aug 20th, 2009 10:31:53 AM
Upon finally seeing the entire thing, I have to say: This is quite good. It has all the hallmarks of a Cameron Epic (including all the naysayers being proven wrong eventually)... I remember how everybody was beginning to trash titanic: Then, it won 11 oscars and made 1.8 billion world wide. Then people shut up...for a while at least. AND THEN
So it's Dances With Wolves with Cartoon Aliens. by DonnaDarko	Aug 20th, 2009 10:32:11 AM
Holy Hell. I expected disappointment - but no where NEAR this level. WHAT.THE.FUCK. was Cameron thinking?!?!
Here is your photorealism you idiots by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:32:17 AM
screengrabs from the trailer.and yes the motion of these images will be fantastic in the big screen. http://tinyurl.com/lbw7ue http://tinyurl.com/n2sm7y
It looks like SW prequels and the Matrix sequels... by Jon_Snow_Targaryan	Aug 20th, 2009 10:32:32 AM
Had a retarded baby.
THIS LOOKS AMAZING!!! by ZombieHeathLedger	Aug 20th, 2009 10:32:36 AM
Someone in the other TB said it best. It's not REVOLUTION as we were told but it is EVOLUTION and I think a landmark film. well done, Mr. Cameron.
Apple is working now. by Lashlarue	Aug 20th, 2009 10:33:04 AM
It's growing on me. Now that the hype balloon has been deflated.
Yep, definitely dissapointing,,, by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 10:33:14 AM
Great, more shitty, cartoon-looking CGI. I was trying to be cautiously optimistic for this, but by God, this looks shit. Not feeling the face-fuckingness, here...I was going to go to the screening tomorrow based on this trailer, so looks like I won't be going. Anyone want a ticket to the AMC Lowes in NYC?
I'm sure it'll look better in 3D by Magic Rat	Aug 20th, 2009 10:33:35 AM
well, I hope it will, anyway.
So it's WoW Night Elves vs Futuristic Military? by ThrowMeTheIdol	Aug 20th, 2009 10:33:41 AM
Weird. The fx are cool but the lead guy is dull as door nails and I'm not really getting much human connection with this.
Mr. Nice Gaius by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:33:59 AM
On first viewing the CG does look a little cartoonish. But when you go back and rewatch the detail is astonishing. It looks and feels like Cameron, awesome use of music. There's clearly a story and a sense of wonder involved. Some epic battle shots towards the end. Be excited.
Wow..that CGI is fucking AWFUL by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 10:34:17 AM
I've long felt this movie was more hype than hip but now that I've experienced the aforementioned "eyefuckery" all I can say is...I feel so fucking vindicated. This CGI is the worst since Lucas. Good luck, Cameronfags. I'll save my money for Nolan's Inception.
Photo-real? No. Gorgeous? Yes! by Sheeld	Aug 20th, 2009 10:34:35 AM
This mostly resembles a 3D Miyazaki adventure, and that's A OK in my book! Will it be a mega hit? Probably too hardcore sci-fi for that, but if the story and 3D hold up, it could have humongous legs.
Another one screengrab by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:34:56 AM
OMFG ITS SO FAKE,SO FAKE: http://tinyurl.com/lt5rv2 a big fuck you to the haters
Welcome back JAMES CAMERON...you rule! by ABking	Aug 20th, 2009 10:35:41 AM
The more I watch this trailer, the more I want to see it. It has a THE MATRIX meets KING KONG (on the Island scenes) feel to it. I think it should do well this December, but I get the feeling a star would have sold the film better. Say Tom Cruise instead of Sam Worthington. Heck, Schwarzenegger would have been an awesome cripple and bad ass ape size AVATAR if he wasn't Governor. Welcome back JAMES CAMERON! This film looks epic and awesome. I know your next film is with ARNOLD, so why not remake WESTWORLD!?
YackBacker by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:35:41 AM
Exactly.
At 250 million by MrDexter	Aug 20th, 2009 10:35:48 AM
I don't want it District 9 gritty - I want it beautiful: and it was - looking forward to tomorrow at real IMAX. The reason it doesn't look real is simple: it's not.
Looks good, just bad approach... by The Eskimo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:36:25 AM
...no dialogue, ande the only story element you glean from this is that Sam Worthington uses his Avatar to walk again. No mention of what the conflict is, where they are, etc. And why did we have to see that monster jump out of the woods twice? And the aliens don't look especially tall or especially alien.
How the fuck is D9 blowing Avatar away? by Larry of Arabia	Aug 20th, 2009 10:36:29 AM

Look the teeth ffs.look the fucking teeth by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:36:32 AM
amazing detail,and incredible photorealism.
Soooo.... by SunTzu77	Aug 20th, 2009 10:36:44 AM
What was supposed to blow me away about this film? It looks interesting (story wise)... obviously CGI... lots of the production pieces seem to be influenced by his prior films. shrug
FOR REAL?? by Stifler's Mom	Aug 20th, 2009 10:36:57 AM
that's what we've been waiting for? a FINAL FANTASY reboot?
Every 10 year old boy in the world will see this by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:37:23 AM
3 or 4 times. Massive box office winner. Avatar is for young boys what Titanic was for teenage girls.
How the fuck is D9 blowing Avatar away? by Larry of Arabia	Aug 20th, 2009 10:37:24 AM
Avatar isn't even out yet. It's also not the same kind of movie, other than the fact that both are science fiction - a very broad umbrella indeed.
We don't need no stinking Mark Romanek!!! by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:37:27 AM
This looks fucking kickass, Anthony Hopkins rules!
So when this movie does record Box office by yomomma	Aug 20th, 2009 10:37:50 AM
Will you haters yelling 'TANK!" please do the honorable thing and kill yourselves?
The minute they find out females dig this... by gotilk	Aug 20th, 2009 10:37:51 AM
haters will switch sides. And by haters, I mean people who think it looks like Ferngully, not people who actually have valid criticisms along with their anticipation. If you think this looks like a cross between Ferngully and Beowolf, please watch it again and get your eyes checked. I think it just looks a tiny bit less than my wishes and dreams. Just a tad bit cartoony, but an obvious leap forward. VERY obvious. As in... if you don't see it, you're blind. Uncanny valley still hasn't been "escaped", but we are getting very, very close.
Very true... by SunTzu77	Aug 20th, 2009 10:38:22 AM
I was thinking the same thing... the whole 3D crap will be the selling point... the CGI looks like something out of 10,000 BC.
Thank God the innocence of my eyeballs is still intact... by 7pointedstar	Aug 20th, 2009 10:38:23 AM
That... was underwhelming. I'm sure Cameron is saving all his money shots for the theatrical trailer, but still... I'm just not that impressed.
Wait wrong trailer Talkback... by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:38:31 AM
Wait there is no Wolfman trailer TB. Actually we'll call it let down of the day #2 trailer talkback. Save for Anthony Hopkins.
to ominus by teamneedle	Aug 20th, 2009 10:39:03 AM
screen grabs always look great- its cg in motion that fails..
EVERYBODY: SHUT THE FUCK UP! by --- Emperor ---	Aug 20th, 2009 10:39:19 AM
Upon finally seeing the entire thing, I have to say: This is quite good. It has all the hallmarks of a Cameron Epic (including all the naysayers being proven wrong eventually)... I remember how everybody was beginning to trash titanic: Then, it won 11 oscars and made 1.8 billion world wide. Then people shut up...for a while at least. AND THEN...Suddenly, after titanic achieved so much more success (including album sales and video/dvd sales), People started trashing it again...calling it a 200 million chick flick, etc etc, and how it only made money 'cause of DiCaprio, blah blah blah. You people are pathetic. Trashing for trashing's sake. It's so much easier to trash this, than something like District 9. I have seen District 9, and it's a great film, but just because it cost a lot less and was a lot less anticipated, doesn't mean you should take it more seriously than an event film like Avatar. I bet you any money after District 9 becomes a classic within the next few months, you'll see the first nay sayers popping up talking about how silly it was...In fact, it's already started in the IMDB forums... Anyway, back to Avatar. While it isn't the second coming of christ (and I don't recall Cameron ever intending for it to be), it surely is imaginative, intriguing and broad in scope. I have confidence that this is going to be a great film. So you people sitting here on your fat, hairy undeserved asses, should shut the fuck up and stop crying like cretins, just because you are unimportant and have achieved nothing in your lives, besides chilling out on AICN along with your equally insipid pals. Cameron is in his position because he has achieved a lot of success in his life. I understand when people like you get angry at the likes of Shyamalan or Anderson, because it also pisses me off that idiots like them get funding for repeated failures in the past. But in this case, I must say, it's simply a case of idiotic mob hysteria.
sci fi needs more concept, less creatures by j_difool	Aug 20th, 2009 10:39:28 AM
i thought cameron understood this. i'd like to see him make a movie for $30 million. or, where do you suppose that other $320 went? marketing? cocaine and whores? are we sure he didn't just hire the team who is making the game to do the CGI for the film? i think i prefer the leaked trailer from yesterday. it looked less "cartoony."
MNG, my honest take by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:39:49 AM
Is that this is going to be a fairly straightforward story, similar to what someone said earlier- DANCES WITH WOLVES. There will be an element of the Vietnam war mixed in too (a military-industrial power being fended off by a native, low-tech people). Nothing I've seen here or have read makes me think this is a philosophically complex story, which is pretty much par for the Cameron course. Visually, I like what I see. I think a lot of thought has gone into the designs and I am looking forward to them in full motion, without any "trailer-editing" fades and slow-motion gags. I think the trailer itself is a B- it shows off something new, but at the same time I agree that the CG looks bad in a few places. They would have been better off just showing 2 minutes of actual footage- maybe a battle or the waking of Sully's Avatar. I've said above, I'm not a Cameron fanboy. I think he's a heavy-handed storyteller. He wants you to FUCKING laugh when he wants you to and CRY when he wants as well. Filmmaking is a form of emotional manipulation, but he is a real dick about it sometimes. But I am very interested in seeing this movie.
The more I see it... by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 10:41:29 AM
...the more I like it. But it's the N'avi's eyes whihc seem to be giving their CGness away to me.
kwisatzhaderach by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 20th, 2009 10:41:53 AM
Cool. I'm excited but not insanely so. After being thoroughly impressed with DISTRICT 9, I'm just curious to see what Cameron has in mind when it comes to aliens, world creation and so forth.
Anybody remember the trailer to Titanic? by Lashlarue	Aug 20th, 2009 10:42:29 AM
Say what you will about the movie, but the trailer really got people in the theater. i don't think the same thing is gonna happen here.
From the director of by ledbowman	Aug 20th, 2009 10:42:34 AM
THE TRUE LIES and THE ALIENS...
--- Emperor --- by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:42:47 AM
Learn how to make paragraphs.
Of course you recognize that it is CGI... by TraumReiter	Aug 20th, 2009 10:43:05 AM
because you know that stuff like that doesn't exist. If there would be CGI cow with the same detail in the shot you couldn't tell if it was real or not.
ominus Thanks for the grabs. by gotilk	Aug 20th, 2009 10:43:42 AM
Outstanding quality. I didn't even know I needed glasses a few months ago. Perhaps a percentage of people here have sight problems they're not aware of. Cannot wait for tomorrow to come.
The Only opinion that will matter in the end , . . . by Lazerman21	Aug 20th, 2009 10:43:46 AM
Is the Box-Office Opinion. You all hated TRANSFORMERS 2, but people went out in Droves, You all hated SPEED RACER (not me) and it FLOPPED at the box-office. We the people vote with out dollars, and I pretty much GUARANTEE that AVATAR will be voted very high this year with those dollars. Loved the trailer! And Those who do not watch trailers before films come out, you are more disciplined people than I. I envy your skill. :-)
Errr.... by jasper Stillwell	Aug 20th, 2009 10:43:48 AM
...is that it?!?
first time talkbacker by food_fight	Aug 20th, 2009 10:44:05 AM
Took the time to register to say that this looks way too cartoony to be taken seriously. Not really excited at all to see this.
Looks awesome by The Decider	Aug 20th, 2009 10:44:15 AM
I don't give a shit if it's photorealistic or not. It looks great. We'll have to wait and see if it actually is great.
BEST looking videogame footage ever! by Cervantes	Aug 20th, 2009 10:44:20 AM
....but there's no doubt a lot of this is about as 'natural'-looking as this - http://www.dangerouslyasian.co m/AvatarJarJar.jpg (remove any spaces that might show in that link there)>P>The fact is this thing WILL look fantastic in all it's 3D big screen glory....but in 2D, it's just got too much of a videogame CGI 'cut-scene' sheen to it, albeit a great one. I have a feeling I'll care more for the shoot-'em-ups than for the implausible 'inter-species' romance between 2 Jar Jar clones....
Anyone that gets mad at people for trashing shit they don't know by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:44:48 AM
Must be new. This site thrives off of hate. I'm pretty sure its a monster living in Harry's stomach ala Quato. It grows bigger and stronger with hate.
Remember the 3D bit? by LarkStew	Aug 20th, 2009 10:44:53 AM
There was an interview where Cameron said it's the 3D that (supposedly) convinces your brain that it's real and not CG. So take the 2D teaser with a pinch of salt. Even in 2D after you've seen it a few times you start to notice the details. Although the Na'vi faces do look a little static to me. I was expecting the faces to be a bit more expressive? But hey it's barely 2 minutes of it, I'll be in the queue for it come December!
Disapointing by Leoridgway	Aug 20th, 2009 10:44:55 AM
Looks like a blueman version of 'Last of the Mohicans' . I dont undersatnd if they wanted to create totoally cgi ' actors/creatures' why make them look so similar to humans, i dont see the point
couldn't they have just hired basketball players and painted the by Magic Rat	Aug 20th, 2009 10:44:59 AM
I mean, would the audience really notice the difference between a 7-foot blue alien and a 8-foot blue alien? Outside of the ears (and tail), those blue creatures look just like those young European basketball centers that come to the NBA, all awkward and gangly. I'm sure there were at least a dozen Cameron could have gotten for the movie.
YackBacker by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:45:26 AM
You're right, subtle ain't in the Cameron lexicon. And this is definitely a 'soldier going native' story. Cameron said he looked at 'Emerald Forest' and 'At Play in the Fields of the Lord' going into it. But at least we're getting a story. What was the story in 'Star Trek'? Or 'Terminator Salvation'? Cameron is a storyteller. Bay, Abrams and McG ain't.
teamneedle by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 10:45:47 AM
i already mentioned the motion of the skin (essentially the texture of the cgi) when the navi is on the table.watch it,pay attention to how interacts with the light,how the shadow appear and disappear,make also a comparison of the real life actors in the same.now imagine that in the big screen,not in a hdtv or monitor.is it bad,one of the same,good or great?
Welcum 2 teh ineternets, teh ---EMPORORER --- by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	Aug 20th, 2009 10:45:55 AM
Obviously you're not acquainted with the notion of opinions, i.e. no one gives a fuck about yours, especially when you demonstrate epic hypocrisy.
Landscapes Photo Real, Characters Not by KingOfMilwaukee	Aug 20th, 2009 10:47:46 AM
maybe better in 3-D?
Bad design well rendered. by mindlight	Aug 20th, 2009 10:48:01 AM
I don't get it.. We've got the technology to create awesome photo realistic creatures and worlds never before seen, so why have we ended up with a slightly distorted humanoid blue bi-pedal creature? Was CGI even needed for these guys? Some basketballers and some prosthetics could've come close to this. The tiger stripes and the pointy ears kinda remind me of Star Trek where the budget limited them to only create alien races by adding prosthetics to human faces, or like when they updated the design of Godzilla because the old one looked like a guy in a suit... only to design a creature that looking like a guy in a slightly more expensive suit. Couldn't they at least have positioned the eyes in a different position? The CGI in District 9 was technically of lesser quality, but the designs at least felt alien and justified the CGI approach. Also why do the landscapes look like a floating version of the Blue Mountains in Australia? Glad the photo reference trip paid off for the matte painting team.. but for some reason I was expecting a truely otherworldly experience with unique plant life not just a hodge-podge ripoff of our own world. I mean what are the chances in this universe of finding life on a planet so similar to ours? Even on our own planet there are creatures and environments that are far more alien to us than this. The Abyss had AWESOME alien creatures. What happened? I hope tomorrow goes better, and I don't come away feeling like this is just an expensive sequel to Arthur and the Invisibles.
Pause the trailer by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:48:04 AM
when the gunship flies past the floating mountains...check out the rockface detail!!
Come on, this looks REALLY cheesy... by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 10:48:08 AM
Certainly not on the level of genre-defining entertainment such as LotR and the original Star Wars that we were lead to believe. I'll still see it, obviously...as others have said, hopefully it'll look better in 3D. But this is a major letdown...also, notice Jake's Avatar's mouth doesn't even match his THREE WORDS of dialogue. Not a good sign...
I really don't buy Benicio Del Toro in this at all by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:48:43 AM
His accent sound odd, like English may be his second language (and he just learned it for this movie). But Anthony was looking pretty bad ass. Almost wish Anthony was the Wolfman instead.
Whoever says the CGI looks like crap.... by The_Coyote	Aug 20th, 2009 10:48:50 AM
Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. I'm not defending the film itself, I've only seen 26 minutes of it. But to say the effects are cartoony and horrible, it just makes you look foolish. Because they don't and you're wrong. The rendering on these creatures is quite amazing. They have pores, they have tear ducts, small little facial tics. Every little subtle piece of facial movement that we see in humans has been transferred here. The movement is quote incredible as well, although we don't have context for a lot of these scenes (the hospital scene looks spazzy, but that's only because the character is supposed to be groggy and tripping around, and the one piece of movement we see is of the avatar stumbling forward and catching himself on the glass). Say what you want about the content of the story, but to make idiotic statements that are clearly nothing more than exaggerated whining and bitching just makes it harder for this to be a place to actually dicuss film.
...the only problem I see is the movement...body and face. by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:48:52 AM

kwisatzhaderach by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 10:49:08 AM
Your opinion ceased to be valid the second you lumped Abrams in with Bay and McG.
Not gonna lie by Sardonic	Aug 20th, 2009 10:49:14 AM
I'd bang that blue chick
The reality is... by Azlam Orlandu	Aug 20th, 2009 10:49:28 AM
...it's going to be a pretty cool film no matter what. Hype or no hype. It may not be the best filim ever and it may exceed our expectations. Either way the world is a better place with a new Cameron film in it.
Oops wrong TB again by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:49:49 AM
Sorry. Is Harry still upset about that One Hour Photo guy pussing out on this or something?
...and amazing rendering makes average motion look... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:50:07 AM
...worse by comparison.
Looks fucking awesome! by ApneicMonkey	Aug 20th, 2009 10:50:43 AM
It looks like the kind of movie you get when a creative as fuck Director is given free reign and he decides to show us a world we've only ever dreamed about. Fuck the naysayers - I've never been to Pandora in real life to see what a Na'Vi actually looks like so I'm sure as hell going to take James Cameron's word for it.
Well I'm looking forward to it... by jenjen21	Aug 20th, 2009 10:51:02 AM
I thought the trailer was beautiful - truly breathtaking. I guess I can understand people not liking it but I don't get the hate - you're bashing it when you've seen two minutes of footage and not even in 3D. It seems as if some of you would only be satisfied if Cameron had actually somehow genetically engineered the Na'vi for real and filmed them instead.
The_Coyote by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:51:19 AM
The Wheelchair work in X-Men 1 looked better then Best Actor nominie for Avatar, Sam Worthington's wheelchair.
Sorry haters, that was awesome by Browncoat_Jedi	Aug 20th, 2009 10:51:29 AM
You can go back to your Blomkamp circle jerk now.
kwisatzhaderach, agreed by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:51:51 AM
Those other directors you mention are not storytellers, you're right. They're technicians, moving equipment around to make things go boom, etc. I'm mostly excited by the fact that this isn't a remake, adaptation or some other rehash. That's why D-9 worked so well- it wasn't an established "property." I hope AVATAR is good. I don't need it to bring me to Nirvana. Just take me to someplace new and interesting for a couple of hours. That's why I love movies, that's why I go to see them.
BTW, The Wolfman trailer actually looks by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 10:51:57 AM
MUCH better than this, and I loathe the Idiot Johnston for that fucked-up clusterfuck that killed off the JP franchise...still, I'll take Rick Baker over excessive CGI crap any day of the week.
Emily Blunt what you nerds wish Zooey Deschanel by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:52:12 AM
looked like.
...in fact, the better the rendering the heavier the burden... by FlickaPoo	Aug 20th, 2009 10:52:36 AM
...on the animation.
dixholster, that looks like a possibly real alien planet by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:52:56 AM

When it works it is awesome, when the CGI is crappy - it sucks. by kellek1974	Aug 20th, 2009 10:53:00 AM
Yes when Sam smiles - Totally awesome. The avatar in the tank and waking up etc - awesome. Creature in woods with "wet look" CGI - looks great! The bamboo looks great. Sam landing and wheeling off and looking around at beginning - TOTALLY CRAP CGI, looked like video game footage. When the aircraft flys in and you see CGI guys hanging off - again crappy CGI. Still waiting for last 10 seconds to load....
Photorealism by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 10:53:02 AM
It's all ther ein the N'avi. Until I see their eyes. But eyes are tricky buggers to get right, in puppets or CG. The environment looks great, so far. But I don't think that the filmmakers should be relying on 3D too much for the effects to looks better or there's going to be a lot of annoyed 2D viewers who have no choice given their location or circumstances. I might get over the eyes when I see it in proper action/context as part of an emotionally compelling story. Oh, and Star Trek did have a story.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT TOMORROW IN IMAX by 420 Boylston St	Aug 20th, 2009 10:53:03 AM
Sorry guys. I have th epatience to see this on the big screen.
YackBacker by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:53:07 AM
Spot on, they're technicians.
To sum up The_Coyote's post: by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 10:53:10 AM
I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE ALL EMBARRASSING YOURSELVES BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE THIS. THESE CREATURES AMAZE YOU AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT.
even though I'm underwhelmed, I'll still see it. and so will you by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 10:53:35 AM

Low tech rebels vs high tech imperialism? Really? by ebolamonkey	Aug 20th, 2009 10:53:44 AM
Seriously? I've seen this story enough times that I think I've already seen this movie. They just set it in Jurassic Park.
Edgar Rice Burroughs fans will be pleased... by dogu4	Aug 20th, 2009 10:54:06 AM
...at long last. So will Robert E. Howard's devotees, and Lovecraftians, and Terry Pratchett. The teaser looks great and I want to see it of course and I'll overlook the eco-message's apparent preachey-ness and the ferngully parallels, but throughout the reel I constantly flashed on the idea that at long-last some of Edgar Rice Burroughs' world, such as Pelucidar or the strange ape/human hybrids in lost cities in a mythical Africa can at last be realized on the screen in a convincing way. Maybe this is why the few recent efforts to create Burrough's martian world have been side-tracked; knowing that this new technology would make any earlier attempt forgettable and weak. How long before Rodriquez has one of these set-ups in his home digital movie studio? It's a given that every new technology in photo and film and video has always been propelled in its early days by conoisseurs whose tastes run toward the pornographic. There must be some amazing erotica being developed using this technique.
YackBacker by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 20th, 2009 10:54:18 AM
Thanks, I appreciate it. Judging from what we already know by the story, I'd say your take is probably about right. As a storyteller, Cameron is more of a by-the-numbers guy. But his technical prowess and knack for effective action sequences cannot be denied. (I'm a little dismayed by the comments on the CGI quality - so much as been made about this, you'd think it would be the one thing they would absolutely nail down for a teaser trailer.)
Fuck you The_Coyote by Franco Begbie	Aug 20th, 2009 10:54:26 AM
Who the fuck are you to tell us whether or not something looks fake to us. I've just watched that trailer and it looks like the fucking CG cartoons I watch with my son on a Saturday morning. I don't care what you do or don't know about the technical whys and wherefores that went into this. I'm the fucking consumer and to me, it looks fake. It looks fake. It looks fucking fake.
Burgundy82 by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:54:29 AM
Abrams is a TV director, a proficient one. But he has no cinematic talent. His shot selection in MI3 and Star Trek is sloppy as fuck.
Gamechanger....No, Impressive...Yes. by KingOfMilwaukee	Aug 20th, 2009 10:54:34 AM
will see this for sure.
Coyote and Emperor... by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 10:54:35 AM
It's ok that others feel differently than you. You're excited for the film and that's fine..but to cap on an overwhelming amount of people who are underwhelmed by the somewhat disappointing CGI (and it is NOT the best CGI to date no matter what you say), is both arrogant and narrow-minded. If it looks good enough for you and you'll enjoy the film, that's fine. But don't try and condescend to people who feel differently....there have simply been better rendered creatures than this. The planet itself looks good but the rendering on the Na'vi just doesn't quite live up to all the hype (which isn't necessarily Cameron's fault...most of the 'eyefuckery' crowd have themselves to blame for the frenzy). But seriously...don't be condescending assholes. It's beneath you.
Yeah, The_Coyote, because by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 10:54:51 AM
your bitching and moaning about the moaners and bitchers really helps. Now fuck off with your delusional Cameron apologism, tit-smacker!
DioxholsterUnbound, too bad that blue chick is SO fake! by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 10:55:07 AM
You cannot fuck her.
It will look better on a big screen by krabklaw	Aug 20th, 2009 10:56:03 AM
True, it may look overly sharp and clean on a computer moniter, but it could look fantastic when it's blown up. Plus, it's going to be in 3D, so it's not fair, or even really possible to judge the look of the movie from this sample.
Jesus, guys!! by Flibbertygibbet	Aug 20th, 2009 10:56:03 AM
I'm amazed you folks are bitching about the CGI. Seriously, you don't know you're born! To my mind, the artistry involved here is so incredible that if you brought back from the dead and showed this to them, they would never paint again. Now, if you want to question the plot, fill your boots...
The visuals on Wild Pacific on Discovery last month by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:57:05 AM
BLOW THIS AWAY.
The reason people are disgruntled, The_Coyote by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 10:57:15 AM
and YackBacker and kwisatzhaderach, for that matter, is because District 9 has CG that was UNQUESTIONABLY more convincing, at a sliver of the budget. Cameron talked a big game, like he always does, and it inevitably led to disappointment. He deserves the backlash — End. O. Story.
3D by ledbowman	Aug 20th, 2009 10:57:17 AM
I don't know if I can risk wasting another trip to the theater on 3D after the blurry distraction that was BEOWULF IN GROUNDBREAKING 3D. Has it really gotten any better since then? If not, my movies will remain two dimensional.
Bollocks... by Flibbertygibbet	Aug 20th, 2009 10:57:53 AM
That was supposed to read "if you brought any classical artist back from the dead"...
Cameron's mom by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:58:04 AM
Always told him not to play so much Mist, its was going to rot his mind.
Alien Chick... LOOKS LIKE... Agelina... by TheBLIGHT	Aug 20th, 2009 10:58:14 AM
From CERTAIN angles... Looks like the Alien Chick is modeled after Angelina Jolie... Cute.
Burgundy82 by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 10:58:56 AM
I haven't seen District 9 yet. Looking forward to it though.
Backlash by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 10:59:05 AM
How about some of you bored fools wait until you see the finished film, story and all, befoe you begin your inevitable and wilfully ignorant rants about the actual film?
This isn't a remake??? by Leoridgway	Aug 20th, 2009 10:59:31 AM
It might not be but the story has been told plenty of times before. Now just in Cgi-o-vision with Bluemen. I will certainly see it, but im not expecting it to give me a woody
I told my co-workers about this by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 10:59:44 AM
And they told me to shut up, because the new trailer for Alvin and the Chipmunks 2 just came out today and they'd rather watch that.
It looks like a cartoon! by Sithdan	Aug 20th, 2009 10:59:51 AM
Hahahahahahaha! So much for the hype. Star Wars will forever be the pinnacle of science fiction!
Decidedly underwhelming by Scorchy	Aug 20th, 2009 11:00:07 AM
I trust Cameron as a director. That this will be a kickass action flick, I have no doubt - the scale of the action looks awesome, and his skill as an action director is pretty much unparalleled (or was, before his decade-long hiatus). But the creature CGI really does look like a video game cutscene. It doesn't have weight...it doesn't have gravity...it doesn't have dimension. In other words, it takes you, the viewer, right out of watch you're watching, because you can't help but think, "That doesn't look real." Maybe it'll be better on the big screen. I hope so. Because it doesn't look great here. Gollum is still the standard for CGI characters, and really it's because they got the emotion in his eyes. Conveying the soul through the eyes is obviously soemthing exceedingly difficult to do with CGI - but Gollum did it, which means it can be done again.
Is this the whole plot? by Rubiks Doob	Aug 20th, 2009 11:00:35 AM
Ok- from watching this trailer here's the story: Jake Sully is a disenchanted war veteran who gets a second chance to 'make a difference' by enlisting in a special program to infiltrate the Nav'i people on the planet Pandora and help turn the tide on a losing military conflict. Of course, once he meets the Navi up close and falls in love, he realizes that Everything He Knows Is Wrong and instead switches sides to help the natives turn back the imperialist marines and save the ecological beauty of Pandora. If that's basically it wow, that's incredibly cliche and stupid. Please tell me that other than the details there's more to Avatar than this because if not, wow I'm sad for JC. Because that's about the most obvious story one could tell. Like no kidding, war=wrong and natives=should be left alone.
we have nipple! by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:00:50 AM
http://tinyurl.com/nv3vbg
I KNEW IT! The only terrible thing this did to my eyeballs was b by Johnny Smith	Aug 20th, 2009 11:01:00 AM
If I wanted to see a movie about the Smurfs, I'd take Shrooms and go watch a Blue Man Group performance.
I'll probably see it but.. by Dkev00	Aug 20th, 2009 11:01:03 AM
The CGI isn't very good. Nothing game changing for sure.
Wolf Man trailer looks more entertaining by apollocandy	Aug 20th, 2009 11:01:05 AM
I cant wait for that film!!!
Reminded me too often of World of Warcraft. But i still have hop by caipirina	Aug 20th, 2009 11:01:08 AM
I really want to like this movie .. i loved the 90 page treatment and some of the imagery in this teaser is great (the floating rocks) albeit too CG looking (maybe our HD eyes?) But maybe this will all come together once one focuses on the story instead of the effects ... and why was there no Sigourny Weaver in this teaser ... and why do na'vi women bother with clothing (ah, its an american movie) .. Loved how someone else read my mind and called this 'the next pixar movie' ...
we have nipple! 2! by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:01:22 AM
http://tinyurl.com/lx2l9u
Story Matters by Ultraman2000	Aug 20th, 2009 11:01:42 AM
As with any film, the story has the potential to sell the effects. D9 is a prime example of that principle. My top questions now are: Will the story go beyond the Manifest Destiny cliches evident in the trailer? And will the characters be worthy of our emotional investment? Cameron's never demonstrated much facility with nuance. Let's hope that's part of the paradigm shift here.
Sithdan by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:01:49 AM
You are aware of how utterly fucking ridiculous your post is, right? Or I guess not...
Also... by scaryskeleton	Aug 20th, 2009 11:02:16 AM
This movie was meant to be seen in 3D. I know a lot of hyperbole is thrown around and many movies say that, but the colors and the way the shots are framed, it is all with 3d in mind. Its a VERY bright movie, so that when you put the glasses on, the tint will be just right. All I can say, is that seeing the footage on a big screen with 3D glasses on really did feel revolutionary, to the point that I was grinning like a 8 year old, and I cannot wait to see the whole movie. I think this is why Cameron is baiting everyone to see the free imax footage, because that is the only way to really prepare people for what a new experience will really be like. An original sci-fi movie with a story and believable characters in realistic 3d that for the first time actually makes you forget that you are watching a 3d movie. Isn't that what we all want? A new experience?
"Inception" trailer STAT.. by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Aug 20th, 2009 11:02:36 AM
So much hate here. We need a Nolan circle jerk.
GAME changeR by PeanutButterSlut	Aug 20th, 2009 11:02:38 AM
Boom Baby!
on second thoughts . . . awesome by Bitchassmother	Aug 20th, 2009 11:02:56 AM
Actually, this looks pretty f..kin cool. I was affraid by the comments. I was worried by the comic-con buzkill. I was blown away by district 9. And you know what? Avatar look's awesome. It looks absolutely fuckin great. The CGI DID look like CGI in a number of scenes and I was dissapointed by the initial 'look' and feel but you know what? I watched that trailer a couple more times and the aliens look really, really good. I mean, I do get the fakey feeling about their shiny-ness but I'm over it already and NOW I see all this extra detail in them and the emotions they seem to be conveying is working on me. Really digging in particular the scene where the hot alien babe is crying and the bit where she is first revealed. I'm knowing she's animated but I'm sympathizing with her subconsciously and it makes me wanna watch more. It looks like a different kind of experience altgether. I'm kind of seeing this know as an animated movie that is transcending animation rather than a live action movie that has 'phot-real' effects work. All I'm saying is, it looks like a whole lot of fun and my eyeballs are starting to feel a bit emotional. Bring it on. Fuck the haters.
Rubiks Doob by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:03:20 AM
Ummm YEAH HELLO! There is a whole side story of Crysta trying to stop Hexxus from taking over the rain forest. With the aid of Christian Slater as a bat!
*did to my eyeballs was bore them. by Johnny Smith	Aug 20th, 2009 11:03:25 AM
Fucking subject line limit.
Is this just ttest FX? by Wes_Reviews_	Aug 20th, 2009 11:03:29 AM
...Because, wow. What a colossal build-up and letdown. I guess CGI people just can't fool the naked eye like Cameron had hoped/hyped. Everytime I saw a shot of one of the CG characters, it took me out of the trailer. Looked like a cartoon. Sorry.
The goggles do nothing!! by Dapper Swindler	Aug 20th, 2009 11:03:39 AM

Trailer for SF comic Goldilock! by StrokerX	Aug 20th, 2009 11:03:52 AM
Looks just as good :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =AN06-LzHGnU for realz
Or Robin Williams by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:04:01 AM
As the Bat, I can't remember from the comic con footage who the voice actor was.
CGI was brilliant by PeanutButterSlut	Aug 20th, 2009 11:04:31 AM
Comon guys, you cant sit there and say this isnt the best stuff u have seen recently. I think you guys should see this movie, I'm not a plant, scouts honor. Avatar is win guyZ
And yet Avatar Day Tix are SOLD OUT by aceattorney	Aug 20th, 2009 11:04:37 AM
All you people are dying to watch this movie.
I'm behind the times by Vote Fa Stokes Brutha	Aug 20th, 2009 11:04:59 AM
So EVERYTHING in this teaser is motion capture CG, or is some of it live action? Because if so, that's pretty impressive.
More CGI? by Hargy99	Aug 20th, 2009 11:05:12 AM
It just looks like another Star Wars cartoon : (
Rubiks Doob by SminkyPinky	Aug 20th, 2009 11:05:15 AM
How about the lone survivor of a terrible incident goes back to the face the monster again only to wind up among the very few survivors yet again. It's the execution which counts. I have faith in more than special effects and will wait until I see how the story is executed.
More CGI? by Hargy99	Aug 20th, 2009 11:05:19 AM
It just looks like another Star Wars cartoon : (
kwisatzhaderach re: District 9 effects by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 11:06:06 AM
I don't want to oversell this, because too much hype is an enemy to ANY film, but I will say that my girlfriend and I were halfway through a discussion about the movie before either of us even THOUGHT to bring up the effects. Meaning, they were so seamlessly integrated into that world, that we kind of forgot we weren't looking at people in costume. I would also recommend going in completely spoiler-free. These TBs are treacherous as far as that goes, but the marketing dept. has done an exemplary, WALL*E-esque job of giving away precious little of the plot in the trailers.
Fa_Tass_DinoMolester by Sithdan	Aug 20th, 2009 11:06:10 AM
For months I've read nothing but how much eyeball fucking Avatar was going to inflict. People (without seeing so much as a production shot) were harping that Avatar was going to be the "next Star Wars." After seeing this cartoon of a trailer, I can't help but laugh my ass off at all of them. For a while I thought I was watching scenes from the next Shrek film, hahahahahahahahaha!
DioxholsterUnbound by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:06:34 AM
Where do I work? Ummm America? $217,326,974 on a 60 million dollar costing movie = PROFIT LIKE A MOFO!!!! God bless this land.
New Wolfman trailer... by Dkev00	Aug 20th, 2009 11:06:40 AM
kicks the shit out this trailer by a country mile.
Not sold on it. Heres why: by wowsah156	Aug 20th, 2009 11:07:15 AM
It looks like what Lucas would have done if he was put in charge of a Dark Crystal sequel. Also the CGI in the teaser doesnt look good. Very very disappointing. I look forward to Jame Cameron doing a movie about teenage rentboys in Russia based on Lars Von Trier's Dogma philosophy...
What Are You Guys Saying... I Can't Read It by Autodidact	Aug 20th, 2009 11:07:16 AM
My eyeballs just got fucked out of their sockets. Seriously those saying that's not impressive are a little bit goofy. Bet this'll be one of the first 120hz blu-ray discs, and I'll probably have to upgrade to a 3D-ready display by the Fall of 2010!
Rubiks Doob, you're forgetting: this is cameron. by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:07:16 AM
the na'avi will be decimated. every one will be slaughtered. and sigorney will find a pidgin english scrawlling from sam worthington's avatar telling the na'avi religion stories that make her cry. the end.
It doesn't look BAD it's just not that SPECIAL. by Margot_Tenenbaum	Aug 20th, 2009 11:07:30 AM
Hundreds of million dollars and they still can't get CG skin to crease properly at the joints or make the muscles move right under the skin. Moveable marble statues. This is a step above 'Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within', but not a giant leap. I do think the comparison to Phantom Menace is very, very apt. Let me be clear: I don't personally hate Cameron or the people who worked on Avatar, I'm just disappointed in everything that I've seen so far. If we're not meant to judge a film by its trailer then why make a trailer?
I was excited for the Avatar screening tomorrow until I saw this by TheMark	Aug 20th, 2009 11:07:42 AM
Seriously? Terrible teaser. All I understand is that if you are in a wheelchair, you can turn into a blue alien. If that were the case, I wouldn't have spent my youth in physical therapy. Seriously though. I thought this was pretty weak looking aside from the battle sequences. I know that Cameron knows what he's doing but...well, he hasn't done a movie in like 15 years now, so maybe he, like the rest of his contemporaries, has lost his touch.
I am now on board by Sonny_Williams	Aug 20th, 2009 11:07:47 AM
My eyeballs are still drowned in a creampie of awesomeness! If these visuals are accompanied by Cameron's typical solid storytelling this will be out-of-the-park greatness.
Maaaaan, I don't give a FUCK. by Traumnovelle	Aug 20th, 2009 11:07:49 AM
That shit looks incredible.
My impression by tomimt	Aug 20th, 2009 11:08:10 AM
I've been skeptical about this whole movie and I must say, that this trailer looks much better than I expected. But There still is much in it, that looks like 3D cartoon. Should end up entertaining though.
Sithdan by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:08:15 AM
Oy...I was referring to your exclamation of "Looks like a cartoon! Star Wars will forever be the pinnacle of science fiction!", when the last three Star Wars movies WERE a shitty-looking cartoon...for Serling's sake...
It doesn't look that cartoony by MandrakeRoot	Aug 20th, 2009 11:08:17 AM
Some shots look pretty bad (only on a photo-real level), but many of the shots are indistinguishable from CGI. The chopper flying through the mountains looks damn flawless, the first few shots of the Navi's hands and feet, and some shots of the female Navi look great up close. (p) I agree some landscape shots are too bright and painting light, hopefully that will be changed, or different in the theater. Also some of the Navi's face look a little off, as well as the creatures look good but not photo-real. But seriously, anyone saying this looks like an XBOX game, please point me to that game.
Don't go to an interview by PeanutButterSlut	Aug 20th, 2009 11:08:24 AM
with a giant dildo on ur head. Cameron is interviewing for a job at the theater, basically, when he released a trailer. He has a good resume, but all you see is a big dong rendered in CG plastered on his head. Don't know where I'm going with this, got really stoned before the trailer... BTW getting high helps! AVATAR, fucking your eyeballs "if your high" in 2009!!!! Seriously though I went full screen w/the frenchy trailer while smoked out and it was more-epic-er
Video Game Cutscene by fiester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:08:31 AM
That's what it looks like. Sorry but that's the truth. I'm sure it's entertaining, but "visionary" seems overly generous.
and yeah... by Wes_Reviews_	Aug 20th, 2009 11:09:04 AM
The trailer definitely had the feel of a Star Wars prequel. But alas, the hype machine will continue to churn and salavate over this BS.
haters...i got your meal ready by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 11:09:10 AM
a big bowl of warm crow!
Episode One -- The Avatar Menace by madCanada	Aug 20th, 2009 11:09:21 AM
... I'm sure I saw Jar Jar Binks in one of those shots.
My eyeballs were faking it. by Lashlarue	Aug 20th, 2009 11:09:27 AM
"No. No it's not true."-James Cameron
loos sortof "DARK CRYSTAL"ish by beefywhore	Aug 20th, 2009 11:09:35 AM
not really as impressive as I'd hoped, but its about Godamn time we got a teaser.
franco begbie? by richardphilip	Aug 20th, 2009 11:09:40 AM
they let you have kids ? goodness.
Here we go... by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 11:10:38 AM
Sometimes a rant is necessary, so could people on here stop their whining for just a moment to consider a few of these points: 1) First of all, out of all the people above hurling their pathetic abuse, it might even be an understatement to say that 90% will still watch the movie in the cinema, thereby defining themselves as hypocrites. The opinion of a hypocrite is worth less than zero, so do the rest of us a favour and keep it to yourself. For the other 10% who WON'T watch this movie, well done! You have the courage of your convictions. Unfortunately, you've decided to base your opinion of a 180 minute movie on 2 minutes of footage. That is simply D-U-M-B. It is not possible, logically, empirically, hell even linguistically, to form a valid opinion at this stage, therefore you are making a decision not to see this movie based primarily on your own prejudices. The opinion of prejudiced people is worth even less than that of hypocrites, so again move along, please. Now, onto the footage itself... 3) Let's just stop this nonsense right now that 360 game somehow have better graphics, ok? I like my games, but to suggest that ANY game is even close to that is simply making a stupid point to fit in with the other haters. Somebody with more computer skills than me PLEASE put up a picture of a Na-vi from that trailer (Zoe Saldana one crying over her fallen colleague lit by flames would be a good one) next to a troll from WoW (closest match I can think of off the top of my head) and try telling me the troll looks more "real" while keeping a straight face... 4) For anyone saying it doesn't look "photo real", first of all what the fuck is "photo real" really, beyond a nice buzz word for effects companies etc to use and secondly hands up anyone here who's ever seen a photo of a 10ft tall blue alien with smooth, poreless skin and bioluminescent markings? 5) Of course, Cameron has already fooled half of you once. Remember the still a few weeks back of the avatar in the tank with Worthington next to it? Go back on that talkback and count the number of times people said "puppet". Guess what? It's CGI! If people are looking at a computer generated image and HONESTLY believe they are looking at a real, on set, three dimensional object, wouldn't you say that is as good a definition as any of "photo real"? 6) While we're on the subject of 10ft tall blue aliens and CGI, is there honestly anyone out there that REALLY thinks you can create something like that any way other than CGI? Of course not! That means you KNOW already that what you are looking at is computer generated and therefore your eyes are able to perceive this fact. So what? As someone above already said, Gollum was CGI as well. We all knew it and could tell with the simplest of visual inspections, but the story, dialogue and especially Andy Serkis' performance were strong enough that it didn't matter. Do you think it might just be possible to afford this film a chance to prove itself in similar fashion? 7) On the whole story/script/performance side of things, we must remain in the dark until the film is released, naturally. However, judging just on the treatment (yes, I know it's been changed considerably since then), I feel that there is a strong story behind this film. Furthermore, Cameron has a proven track record of being able to get strong, believable performances from actors (Ripley, SC, pretty much the entire cast of the Abyss). Maybe not Oscar winning, grandstanding performances, but you always believe that the character is a real person, especially with strong female characters and military personnel, which - guess what? - this film is full of. Sure, Cameron is as guilty as any writer of the odd clunking line of dialogue (and not just in Titanic), but if people hated every movie that had the odd bad line then they would hate everything. Hang on a minute... People are entitled to their opinions, but to form their opinion of this film based just on this teaser is stupid. I'm more than happy to form my opinion at the correct time: on December 16th, right around the time the end credits start to roll
All the haters will change their minds by aceattorney	Aug 20th, 2009 11:11:00 AM
As soon as Harry declares it golden.
We've been burned BAD by Lucas and the Wachoffs by performingmonkey	Aug 20th, 2009 11:11:28 AM
Yes it looks like a videogame environment but it was always going to, it's what Cameron wanted.
Yes! by godhelpus	Aug 20th, 2009 11:11:28 AM
Looks like full-on Cameron. I don't give a fuck if its perfect, it looks fantastic. Go out and do better of it annoys you. Can't wait!!!
Lashlarue by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 11:11:28 AM
Nicely done.
aceattorney, good one! by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:11:41 AM
Oh, wait, you were serious.
I agree with fiester by Potatino	Aug 20th, 2009 11:12:28 AM
it does look like a videogame cut scene.
Cameron With A Dong On His Head in 3D... Fucking Genius by Autodidact	Aug 20th, 2009 11:12:43 AM
Jesus christ that would be fucking perfect.
So you think this will be the season opener of South Park by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:12:55 AM
In the fall? Or will people already have forgotten about it by then?
the opinions aren't on the film, yanni, they are on the trailer by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:13:11 AM

Burgundy... by The_Coyote	Aug 20th, 2009 11:13:23 AM
Okay, I can understand that. But at the same time, is it fair to compare a film that was going for docu-style, gritty realism, to a film that is trying to achieve an entirely different aesthetic all together? Avatar is supposed to be an exaggerated fantasy sci-fi film, and as such the look is a little more glossy and "cartoony", if you will. I'm merely commenting on people saying it looks like a video game when it clearly doesn't. The filmmakers have created a planet from top to bottom, from the plant life and ecosystem to the composition of the atmosphere. The characters are clearly "true" to the environment that has been created for them. Light penetrates the outer layer of skin, they sweat and have pores. They're expressive in the same way humans are. True, District 9 feels more real to our world because it's SUPPOSED TO. The aliens and creatures in Avatar feel true to their world, which is foreign to ours. I understand if people don't like it, but to say it looks like a video game or like any other effects work, that's simply not true.
Ok by Cockpoop	Aug 20th, 2009 11:13:38 AM
I'm conflicted. Read all the comments here...that trailer, despite the sometimes dubious CG was pretty damn good. I will agree with those that say that if this weren't a Cameron film I wouldn't see it, but I will say it was a good trailer. Hopefully it looks incredible in 3D on a giant screen. Time will tell. Sucks I don't have tickets for tomorrow...
~~~COOL! it's like GUNDAM meets ALIENS meets THE DARK CRYSTAL!~~ by The Marquis de Side 3	Aug 20th, 2009 11:13:53 AM
cannot frickkin wait man!!! =0)
question about a specific scene in this trailer by Magic Rat	Aug 20th, 2009 11:13:57 AM
the part near the end, when the marine gets grabbed by that creature's mouth and spit out the helecopter thing --- why does the marine have a tail? pause it at the right moment, you can see it, it's a freakin' tail.
Here we go... by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:14:32 AM
Anyone bitching about people bitching about this movie is a bitch.
all the stupid 'its gonna doink yer eyeballs' comments by RKDN	Aug 20th, 2009 11:14:39 AM
Im totally prepared for this movie to be some stupid 3D rendered anime bullshit, what with all the 13 year old boys taking about eyeball copulation. So I was prepared for this trailer to let me down. It did not. That was amazing. Oh and for the zombies, it looks like a sci-fi retelling of Dances With Wolves - isolated disenfranchised soldier gets assigned to remote location, suffers from Stockholme syndrome, and when the cavalry comes to run the injuns off to the reservation, he finds himself fighting with the big blue lakota night elves instead of with his army pals. usually when you dress up an old cowboy movie in Sci-Fi jumpsuits, it sucks. This one, based purely on that trailer, looks like a BETTER version of Dances With Wolves. Seriously - the last trailer that looked this good was for a little movie called Lord of the Rings. Get on board with this movie now - you'll avoid looking like a complete tool later when the whole planet is going to see this movie for the 5th time if you dont.
and tho this looks meh, STFU about cut scenes. ps7 will have cut by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:14:42 AM
and tho this looks meh, STFU about cut scenes. ps7 will have cut scenes that have this much polygons and renders.
Lashlarue: Titanic trailer by Margot_Tenenbaum	Aug 20th, 2009 11:15:11 AM
I HAD to go because they showed Leo and Kate on the ass end of the ship going straight into the Atlantic. Straight up cliffhanger jeopardy 101 right out of silent movies.
"this looks like a cut scene", yeah, from 2020 on ps7 by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:15:57 AM

Great Stuff, That Cameron T2 cold lens look was there by fisheater	Aug 20th, 2009 11:16:26 AM

District 9 is to Avatar like by gerrit4	Aug 20th, 2009 11:16:38 AM
The Matrix was to The Phantom Menace. I had no expectations for TPH or D9, and they blew their counterpart out of the water in story, effects, longevity.
magic rat, lanyard so he doesn't go out the side? by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:16:48 AM

Thanks ominus by catlettuce4	Aug 20th, 2009 11:16:52 AM
Your meltdown was more entertaining that the clip. Speaking of which, was that footage just a collection of cutscenes or actual videogame play?
The problem isn't that it's dark... by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:17:04 AM
It's that the CGI is total crap. It could be pitch black the entire movie, and the CGI would still suck. And yet, The Wolfman, with like an eight of the budget, doesn't look nearly as fake. This is actually the professional style in recent years: directors like calling attention to the CGI, in an attempt to "wow" people with the wizardry of said CGI. "Photo-real" my fat dino-molesting ass...
This will be better than District 9 by Beezbo	Aug 20th, 2009 11:17:36 AM
As long as the plot is good. I'm a big fan of D9, but I can't overlook the plot holes (I know, they have been discussed to death here). Effects alone do not a classic make.
Series7, couldn't have said it better myself by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:17:50 AM

yiannis by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 11:18:05 AM
Epic post. Congrats.
oleg! by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:18:25 AM

Correction by gerrit4	Aug 20th, 2009 11:18:30 AM
No expectations for the Matrix or D9
yiannis by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 11:18:36 AM
You're wasting your breath man. It looks cartoony. It just does. We're not all lying to ourselves because we have it out for James Cameron or some shit. In fact, I think it's the opposite, if anything. Most of us are eagerly anticipating this film. Still. Now, that said, IT LOOKS FUCKING CARTOONY. Quit saying it doesn't. The fact is, it does, and we're all more than fucking entitled to think that. Your justifications are bunk. I know damn well there's no such thing as a six-and-a-half-foot shrimp alien, but that didn't stop them from looking real in District 9. WE'VE SEEN BETTER CG THAN THIS. That's what people are griping about. Now, the fact that it looks cartoony doesn't mean it's going to be a bad film. Or even an ugly film. The color palette is impressive, and the look of the film is GORGEOUS. It just, also, looks fake. That is all.
Correction by gerrit4	Aug 20th, 2009 11:18:36 AM
No expectations for the Matrix or D9
Avatar fans now have a nickname: Avatards by sevadro	Aug 20th, 2009 11:18:37 AM
Look a-holes. We all love James Cameron and we are always rooting for the motherf*cker, but this shit is underwhelming as hell. As soon as Worthington shows up in his wheelchair on Pandora - the tomatoes start flying. Why? Because the trained eye can tell that shit is Episode One meets Matrix Revolutions. Blame my eye. Frankly, my stupid cat looks more alien than a na'vi. He looks more "photo-real" lol. When the movie comes out and we all say "meh with the CGI, but great everything else" so be it! Tell us we were wrong then. Until then - backlash. Severe backlash for talking the big game and not delivering something discerning cinephiles have been desperately desiring for decades. Deal with it JC sycophants and easily pleased, pointy transformer loving bitches.
that was fucking awesome.... by iwasredempted	Aug 20th, 2009 11:18:48 AM
i'm sorry. it's not going to change the world but fuck that was fucking cool. that grin when worthington sees his avatar is pure cameron. yes!
Way too many dickdrinkers in this talkback by Shut_Your_Penispouch	Aug 20th, 2009 11:19:55 AM
Definitely stoked to see this movie now. The sweatpantsed army of fags hating on this trailer can go back to tittyfucking their families foldout couch, nobodies listening.
@yianis is CORRECT by fisheater	Aug 20th, 2009 11:20:13 AM
I actually thought it looked like prosthetics at first.
Another thing by godhelpus	Aug 20th, 2009 11:20:42 AM
I didn't get much of an impression from Sam Worthington until now. I can see now why people say he's good.
Cameron caught the George Lucas Flu by Sithdan	Aug 20th, 2009 11:21:13 AM
He has all the symptoms!!!
iwasredempted by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 11:21:35 AM
Exactly. A character moment. Something I haven't seen in a blockbuster for ages.
godhelpus by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:21:39 AM
I know right! He totally put Jean-Luc and Daniel Day Lewis to SHAME!!!!!
playstation7, with built in etkm so you can play with your brain by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:22:19 AM
and 46 year old elijah wood says "you have to play with your hands? not with this!"
Final Fantasy by Donkey_Lasher	Aug 20th, 2009 11:22:31 AM
All over again.
Looks fantastic by StrykerIsland	Aug 20th, 2009 11:22:54 AM
Watching this on my PC monitor just wasn't cutting it for me, so I downloaded the 1080P file, and streamed it to my home theater in the living room via PS3 Media Server. Holy shit. I watched it like 4 or 5 times and my eyes and ears burn from the amazing. I may have to drive to Vancouver to see this on an IMAX screen before Christmas.
To many dicks on the dance floor. by erichaislar	Aug 20th, 2009 11:23:09 AM

yiannis by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:23:30 AM
People are SUPPOSED to form an opinion based on the teaser...that's what the teaser is for, to get people to WANT to see the movie. If people were excited about this thing, and the teaser dispelled that excitement, that's ass-backwards. Sigh...and as always, the apologists' excuses get lamer and less cohesive. BTW, every time a trailer for a film has sucked, and the apologists screamed, "WAIT UNTIL THE MOVIE COMES OUT", the film in question has always sucked. ALWAYS. So this doesn't look to good right now...
WTF -- It's suppossed to be hyper realistic by masteroftheuniverse	Aug 20th, 2009 11:23:54 AM
Dont you guys get it... if loooked exactly like live action or photo realism it wouldnt be transendant... your eye cant possible in reallife experience this hyper reality... that's what makes it mythological for fucks sake you guys think your so smart but youa re a bunch of whiny unforgiving assholes... AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER DONE IN YOUR PATHETIC LIVES. THIS GUY IS CHANGING THE GAME... IM ALL ABOUT DISTRICT 9 AND IT WAS FUCKING AMAZING BUT THIS IS THE CONVERGENCE OF ALL OF THE COLLECTIVE STORYTELLING CAPABILITIES WE HAVE... FILM, GAMING ETC. BE HAPPY ITS HERE...!!!!!!
Lobanhaki and ominous… by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 11:24:14 AM
Thank God, we've got you two on the board to make fucking sense of the what we're seeing in context…
So is Thirst by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:24:49 AM
Not getting a full release? Fuck that shit.
Waiting by Rogue Trooper	Aug 20th, 2009 11:24:49 AM
I'm going to wait until I see this on the big screen before I pass judgement but I think as a tease the trailer works rather well. I think it's important to consider that, in watching a trailer on your computer monitor, you're seeing out of context footage in way that it was not designed to be seen. Roll on tomorrow when I can see more footage in Edinburgh :-)
I love to say I told you so. . . by jimmay	Aug 20th, 2009 11:25:28 AM
And I specifically warned the Avatar fanboys about setting up expectations this movie was going to blow everyone's minds, solve the energy crisis, and bring peace to the Middle East. Me, I have no expectations for this flick, I not only find Cameron overrated, I outright despise some of his films, but I'll probably be there opening week, I'm a big fan of digital 3D, and believe it is the future of video presentation-mark my words-and my guess is that's what Cameron's really attempting here, to be the first filmmaker to really get 3D 'right' so that skeptics stop brushing it off as a fad or a gimmick.
yiannis by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 11:25:49 AM
YES!!! EPIC POST!!
masteroftheuniverse by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:26:13 AM
Yeah I know right, I hated Mist the game as well.
electro telekinetic manipulation. like the force ball toy or nad by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:26:20 AM

It's a 3-D movie. That's the merits it should be judged on. by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Aug 20th, 2009 11:26:29 AM
I thought the trailer was underwhelming the first time, but amazing the second time. I am still insanely psyched for December!
Series7 by godhelpus	Aug 20th, 2009 11:27:03 AM
I like that...
Well at least if this crashes and burns, by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:27:05 AM
we have Spielberg and Jackson's 3D Tintin trilogy coming up! Oh, wait...oh, shit.
masteroftheuniverse by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 11:27:15 AM
I'm taking a screencap of that post and putting it on my blog. You're hilarious, man.
I think it looks great by Kief_Ledger	Aug 20th, 2009 11:27:20 AM
A few shoddy moments, but overall I thought the cgi was pretty incredible. Can't wait for tomorrow!
@Fa_Tass_DinoMolester, Thats because Michael Bay has made movies by fisheater	Aug 20th, 2009 11:27:24 AM

for 10 years along with Snyder and McG by fisheater	Aug 20th, 2009 11:28:08 AM
They all fucking suck
HALO IV Looks AMAZING!!1! by Zahaladeen	Aug 20th, 2009 11:28:25 AM
I'll still spend my money on opening day - just a matinee.
It looks great by m_prevette	Aug 20th, 2009 11:28:44 AM
Fanboy whining aside...and is always expected ... the trailer looks great. Cameron's strength is bringing strong ( if soap opera-ish) character to his films ... here's hoping this will be no different. And also kudos for having trailer music that accents the trailer, instead of the stock heavy drums and choir.
Penispouch... by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 11:29:11 AM
So much rage at people who disagree with you. Kind of sad really. Ah well....to each their own. By the way, are you grumpy because you can't get the taste of your dad's erection out of your mouth? Or just the inner realization you're a befuddled sheep? Enquiring minds want to know!
@ yiannis by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 11:29:22 AM
Also, Cameron has got at least one Academy Award nominated performance form Sigourney Weaver.
I want to see thirst. by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:29:24 AM
goodnight!
Looks cartoony? by scaryskeleton	Aug 20th, 2009 11:30:12 AM
Have you seen it on a big screen with 3d glasses on? Oh, you're going by seeing it on a computer screen. Fair enough. Yes the trailer is underwhelming. There is no hint of story, or dialogue or character, so nitpicking the effects is all we can do. Let's see what people say tomorrow...
Does it look good? by JRcanReid	Aug 20th, 2009 11:30:18 AM
Yes. Does it live up to the hype? Certainly not.
One more complaint: by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 11:30:19 AM
I know the Na'vi are based on Native Americans, but do they have to LOOK like Native Americans? Similar "hair", similar war-paint, similar clothing and technology. Yep, that's real "alien", real "visionary"...if ever we needed an "eye-roll" icon on AICN, it's now.
I was watching the live action footage by Donkey_Lasher	Aug 20th, 2009 11:30:35 AM
and thinking, "wow, is this how far CG has come nowadays?" Then I saw the blue aliens. Anyways, I'll probably go and see this. Not for the effects, but for the story.
Movie might be great. The aliens suck by bah	Aug 20th, 2009 11:31:20 AM
Brains and, based on the trailer, ears might be fucked. Eyeballs are safe. There's no two ways about it: they look like cartoons, not living beings.
eh, this will be a cool movie. the only ones who made it by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:31:46 AM
seem like such a big deal is retards on aicn. its a movie. a fun looking movie, too.
For some reason the humans look more CG by estacado1	Aug 20th, 2009 11:31:55 AM
compared to the blue aliens. When everything else is CG and only the humans are not, it makes the humans look fake. My eyeballs will have to accept the fact that they will remain virgins even when December comes. Visual wise, it's not what it's all hyped to be. The easier CG stuff, the inanimate stuff like the flying ships and vehicles look unrealistic when compared to what we've seen achieved in other movies. What is shown in the trailer is GI Joe standard. They should be able to do better than that. The animals and creatures look better. What makes it look weird is the colors. The colors that they put on these living beings aren't natural colors that we are used to see on earth, it makes them look fake. But story wise, from what little they showed ,it looks like a great adventure movie. I can see it make a ton of money from the amount of toys it will sell.
Has Cg actually improved since.... by Donkey_Lasher	Aug 20th, 2009 11:32:12 AM
..Jurassic Park?
Underwhelming by beatleMatt	Aug 20th, 2009 11:32:25 AM
It didn't quite grab me by the balls like I thought it would. I'll wait for the full trailer before I make my decision though.
CCH Pounder by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:32:33 AM
What kind of name is that? Sounds like a porno name kind of.
No... They don't get it. by MatrixMonkey	Aug 20th, 2009 11:32:41 AM
The reason they don't get it, is because they have no imagination. They're completely incapable of going outside the box and draw themselves into an imaginary world. Everything has to be given to them, and right or wrong just about everything has with the increasing advancement in video games and subjecting it to those that suffer from ADD and hocked up on energy drinks. (With much apologies to my wife's nephew.)
Burgundy82 by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 11:32:56 AM
Name a film with better CGI, then, and reasons why... I get that people are excited about D9 - can't wait to see it myself -, but the comparison is unfair. D9 is taking a world we know (slums of Joburg) and inserting CGI elements into it. They are able to use dust, mist and all manner of tricks and MORE IMPORTANTLY, are able to tweak lighting etc to perfectly match the REAL footage over which the CGI is placed. Furthermore, I am under the impression that the D9 aliens have little, if any, in the way of recogniseable human emotions, at least facially. This, on the other hand, is an entire world created in CGI, meaning there is no "real world" element to allow your eyes to, effectively, trick themselves. Furthermore, we are talking about CGI creatures with essentially human faces, who are giving a performance, not some shellfish faced obvious alien. In my opinion, the ONLY frame of reference we have to judge these characters is Gollum and, as I said, without seeing the entire performance it is STILL an unfair comparison. If people dislike the WORLD, or some of the more obviously "animal" creatures, maybe I might listen a bit more attentively, but the Na'vi simply have no comparison in film to date.
CarlThorMark1978 by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 11:33:18 AM
The release date is locked to December 18th. It's all or nothing now…
The eyes have it. by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 11:33:32 AM
Just figured it out. It's those giant fucking irises they have that are making my brain register "CARTOON."
kwisatzhaderach.... by iwasredempted	Aug 20th, 2009 11:34:16 AM
a point and a nod to you my friend. also it's in the eyes. yeah all the jokes about eyeball fucking. but my main concern was is it going to be like soulless eyes you would see ala beowolf? or is it going to convey some very subtle emotions. and i believe it does.
freeze frame the chick on the dactyl, looks real by ironic_name	Aug 20th, 2009 11:34:19 AM
and nipple.
CCH Pounder sounds like a McDonalds burger! by blackmantis	Aug 20th, 2009 11:34:29 AM

The planet looks awesome by Donkey_Lasher	Aug 20th, 2009 11:34:47 AM
On second viewing.
How real? by Rogue Trooper	Aug 20th, 2009 11:34:51 AM
For all the folks saying the aliens don't look real how many real aliens have you see for comparison? I'd be interested to know.
Yiannis - my thoughts. by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 11:36:21 AM
A movie with better CG? King Kong (not a great movie but the island was better realized than this). 30 Days of Night was largely CG and looked cooler (while also not a great film from a narrative standpoint). Sunshine was also largely CG and looked so much more vastly amazing on a visceral level than this.
4 more months to go Jim by The Rebel	Aug 20th, 2009 11:37:20 AM
I'll bet Jim is on a private jet flying back to NZ / Weta right now to have some kind of evaluation. Lol! 4 more months to go Jim, 4 more months to overhall those blue boys!
Hard to say by Frojitsu	Aug 20th, 2009 11:38:14 AM
It's pretty, but no plot details in the teaser. I have no problems with cartoons, though, which Avatar seems to be.
gerrit4 by ledbowman	Aug 20th, 2009 11:38:50 AM
So you've seen Avatar? How was it? Dish!
Basement... by Shut_Your_Penispouch	Aug 20th, 2009 11:39:27 AM
Your erection line drinks more dudeglue than you do. Go back to motorboating your uncles fartbox for strawberry milk money.
Fa_Tass_DinoMolester by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 11:39:56 AM
No, no, no, no, no, no, no!!! People are NOT - EVER - supposed to base their opinions on a trailer. That is wrong-headed thinking of the worst kind. The purpose of a trailer is, was and always will be to make people WANT to see a film. Wanting to see a film is TOTALLY different from having an opinion about it. If you, or anyone else, has already formed your opinion YOU ARE WRONG. If you actually see the film and your opinion differs from mine (once I've seen the film too), then that's perfectly fine. That is what an opinion is. You might want to consider that...
The CGI looks cartoony like a video gam...wow, wow, hang on a se by Chagui	Aug 20th, 2009 11:39:57 AM
After watching it on the fucking french MSN, it was one of the first dunks who bitched and moaned about the cartoony crapfest that this movie was going to be, but then Apple got its shit together and I saw it on 720p, fuck, I am man enough to recognize when I'm wrong, and I was wrong, the improvement in quality from crappy regular MSN stream to 720p is enormous, I haven't watched it on 1080p yet, but I bet it is way, way, way better, if that's the case, then the looks of it on the highest resolution of all (IMAX) and 3D will more than likely fuck my eyeballs anyways this coming December. Wow, I'm an idiot for calling this film crap based on a shitty streaming video, my faith has been rewarded. You go James Cameron, fuck my eyeballs, please fuck'em hard!!!
CCH Pounder by saint seiya	Aug 20th, 2009 11:40:27 AM
lmao @ the burger remark. She kicks ass in the shield and in ENd OF DAYS ! !!!!
From the director of "the" Titanic? by G Suave	Aug 20th, 2009 11:40:54 AM
200 million evidently doesn't buy you a proofreader...
Penispouch... by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 11:40:56 AM
Come on bro..you can do better than that! At least try and pretend you come armed with more intellectual ammo than a 4th grader. C'mon try again..give us another!
I'll be rooting for the humans to win. Those blue 'tards deserve by spadge1976	Aug 20th, 2009 11:42:12 AM

Cameron should never have put out a trailer. by gingerella	Aug 20th, 2009 11:42:14 AM
Think of the frenzy come December if we literally hadn't seen a still. Like when Raiders came out in '81 and no-one knew a fucking thing about it. He's bigger than that. He should have kept the whole thing under wraps. Now he has to contend with 4 months of disappointed fan boys analyzing every pixel.
So, linking with your navi resembles travelling through the STAR by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 11:43:53 AM
See 1:00 on the French teaser, haha. I think everything looks cool... EXCEPT the Navi.
Gate by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 11:44:15 AM
Stargate I meant to say.
TO ALL THE HATERS, READ THIS (MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY): by --- Emperor ---	Aug 20th, 2009 11:44:31 AM
"Hopefully by now you've been able to see the Avatar trailer, despite the technical problems that seem to now be required when it comes to any Avatar-related event. Whether you managed to get through to Apple's high-res versions or watched it through our embed, you've at least got an idea of what James Cameron is going for in the movie he says will change the world. So what did you think? For me, the trailer sucks. Having seen 25 minutes of the film at Comic Con, I was able to piece together which footage came from which seen, and hazard a guess at what the hell was going on when blue people rode on the backs of dragons and wielded spears at one another. But for the people who have never seen footage of the film before-- which is a whole lot of people-- the trailer seems needlessly disorienting and vague. Why not a single word of dialogue? Why not even an indication of the plot, beyond the basic plot description "Sam Worthington lives inside his avatar and runs around an alien planet." Why only show your hand halfway? I get that they're trying to follow up on the promises that Avatar looks like nothing ever has, and would rather show off as many flashy scenes as possible rather than ease you into this world. But the Quicktime format is so limiting, especially for a 3D movie, that the impact of all the CGI wizardry is muted anyway. Already people are complaining that Sam Worthington's Avatar doesn't look realistic, that the blue skin looks fake, because they haven't had enough time to see it move like a human, hear it talk, or see it respond to its world. Having seen it in Hall H, I promise it works. It just needs time to settle in, and just by showing one complete scene at Comic Con, they sold the effect entirely. Cutting together all the random scenes in the trailer just makes you more disoriented. But even if you can't show off your technology in a trailer, you can at least hint at the story, which I wrote from Comic Con was the most exciting part of the movie. This isn't just a big-budget spectacle about people running around in space. It's a deeply felt, mythic story, the kind that Cameron has proved time and time again he's great at telling. Even if the Na'vi will take some getting used to, the hero's journey is an instantly recognizable story, and the hook that will get people to take a chance on this strange sci-fi. The footage shown at Avatar Day should definitely get that across, but I'm worried that the word online will remain that the CGI looks weird and fake. My best hope is that, after Avatar Day, Fox releases just a bit of a complete scene online, giving the rest of the world a chance to see these characters with more context, and understand that, at heart, it's a story as old as the written word. This trailer, for all its visual magic, just wasn't capable of getting that across. " Taken from http://www.cinemablend.com/new /The-Avatar-Trailer-Sucks-But- Don-t-Give-Up-Hope-14448. html
I would rather see the haters get a life for a change by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 11:44:36 AM
who knows,maybe the world will become a better place.
Eyeball hymens... still fully intact, btw. by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 11:46:03 AM
Looks cool though not eye-fuckingly cool. Guess I'll have to wait to see it in 3d to pop those cherries.
Trailer breakdown by Rogue Trooper	Aug 20th, 2009 11:46:14 AM
Empire online has a good trailer breakdown which gives some context for what's going on as well as detail on what things are called et cetera. http://www.empireonline.com/fe atures/avatar-teaser-trailer-b reakdown/default.asp
Bless you Emperor,thats the truth by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 11:47:11 AM

FFS JUST PUT THE FUCKER ON YOUTUBE by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 11:47:32 AM
All these non-working links are cockteasing my retinae.
You got nothin... by Shut_Your_Penispouch	Aug 20th, 2009 11:47:34 AM
You're already backpedaling and begging me to blow my tangy wordload in your hair.
Huh. Well. Hrrrrm. by TheCap	Aug 20th, 2009 11:48:08 AM
That's a big old pantsload of "MEH" if I've ever seen it. If Cameron expects to change the "game" with this ... we'd better have just seen the dullest parts of this movie.
It's ARTHUR AND THE IVISIBLES! by celm02	Aug 20th, 2009 11:48:43 AM
Let the shit-storm commence.
BENJAMIN BUTTON was the actual game-changer... by BurnHollywood	Aug 20th, 2009 11:49:01 AM
Until I read a copy of Cinefex, I didn't realize that Pitt's head was entirely CGI up to the point where he's "young" (old) enough to join the tugboat crew. What's more astonishing is how Pitt and Blanchett were "de-aged" to teenage years. That's really going to be the movie that "changed it all" when we look back from the age of synthespians...
Stunning by antonphd	Aug 20th, 2009 11:49:15 AM
God Bless James Cameron. Now, come on Steven, Peter and Robert the guantlet is throw. Pick it up.
I can't watch the fucking thing... by drompter	Aug 20th, 2009 11:49:32 AM
All I get is the Questionmarkbusters logo
The problem is by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:49:48 AM
Why no one is really going bonkers over the trailer is because compared to LOTR and King Kong it just isn't THAT MUCH better. Such you could say, the rock face or the pours on the leafs look SO much better...but who gives a fuck about that? Also since Titanic Peter Jackson directed all three LOTR, Kong and has another movie coming out this summer.....I didn't see a 10 year plus break anywhere in there did you?
Not Really As Revolutionary... by KosherWookie	Aug 20th, 2009 11:50:13 AM
As I had expected. Love Cameron's films, but I have to agree with the folks who have observed that the set/ship design seems about mid-90s... Also, after watching the trailer a few times I popped LOTR: Return of the King into the DVD player, and I've gotta say I don't see the much-hyped, game-changing revolution in digital effects. It integrates the real & CGI elements only just about as well, though I do have to say that the CG environments are very pretty and will probably look good on the big screen. All in all: Looks like a cool flick, but not a life-changer. Coming from a guy who was 14 years old when Star Wars (the grand-daddy of game-changers) premiered in 1977: "I know game-changers and you, sir, are no game-changer."
teaser working as intended by grimber	Aug 20th, 2009 11:50:17 AM
It teased. Nobody said the first trailer would sodomize your eyeballs. I'm glad that they decided to ease people into the world with something that doesn't give away every money-shot in the movie. It pulls people back from whatever expectations they were dreaming up and sets the tone for what was actually created. I'm willing to bet the next trailer will be more flashy now that people know what the world looks like. Stop complaining like Cameron took some movie you grew up with and pissed cgi all over it.
WOW! by GMannino	Aug 20th, 2009 11:51:01 AM
I cant believe that anyone can say that this trailer sucked or that this movie will suck. This trailer is clearly amazing and nothing short of that. I know I'm talking to a brick wall in saying this because you all will hate it anyway. I am really looking forward to this movie and everyone on here needs to lighten up and take it for what it is... a movie.
TO ALL THE --- Emperor --- out there by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:51:05 AM
Fucking learn how to make paragraphs you fucking 5 year old.
Master Chief invades Azeroth by Taragor	Aug 20th, 2009 11:51:08 AM
just my first impression...like blending Halo with Everquest
BASEMENT by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 11:51:11 AM
Three films I own and like and all good effects. The most valid comparison is, obviously, Kong, but again it's the problem of comparing a 180 minute (or 210 for the extended cut) movie to a two minute trailer. Once the full movie is out, I would be interested to know if your opinion is still the same. 30 Days of Night is a very poor comparison in my opinion. The CGI there (which was NOWHERE NEAR as extensive as you are making it out to be) was tweaking the facial features of actual, on set actors being actually filmed. Again, if you have real elements your eye can relate to, it goes a long way to masking CGI (in that film highly successfully). This is 100% CGI based on motion capture. As for Sunshine, please show me the fully CGI character in that film? Most of that film was a (good) set with the odd CGI flourish. The only major CGI was the big bomb room thing and the sun itself. Again not really a valid comparison.
My eyeballs by rogueleader66	Aug 20th, 2009 11:51:20 AM
Are hardly fucked, but that being said it looks quite impressive, although I am hoping the CGI characters wind up looking better, because they don't look very real to me. I will be seeing this, no doubt.
Guess I don't have to go now... by Acappellaman	Aug 20th, 2009 11:51:35 AM
...to see it on the pseudo-IMAX screen. Iv'e got two tickets, but I really don't care enough right now to make the trip. The tailer's cool enough I suppose, but not enough to warrant a trip to the theater.
Hahaha! by Doschwall	Aug 20th, 2009 11:52:07 AM
The similarities with Lucas and his later SW ventures appear staggering.... Guess the target audience are +25 males living in their mothers basement!
BurnHollywood by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:52:16 AM
Actually Brad Pitt isn't real at all, he is just a walking computer effect!
Avatar humans Vrs poor cgi overgrown smurfs by kaizen	Aug 20th, 2009 11:54:09 AM
The CGI looks horrible.... it reminds me of the second matrix movie where neo fights the mister smiths in the courtyard after meeting with the oracle, they may as-well have put a cgi pac-man in that seen. not really impressed but im sure it will have losts of distracting explosions to take peoples minds of the lack of story or good effects.
So Cameron should go back to movie stars...SCHWARZENEGGER? by ABking	Aug 20th, 2009 11:55:14 AM
At least Cameron's next film will be real with a movie star like SCHWARZENEGGER.
Anyone saying by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:55:25 AM
Haters/lovers need to get a life.......do you not realize that you are arguing a moot argument? No matter who you are, or how cool your mom says you are at the end of the day we are all posting on nerd central's web site. We all have about the same amount of life we need to get.
--- Emperor --- by knowthyself	Aug 20th, 2009 11:56:06 AM
To be fair teasers are just meant to tease. That's why no mention of the story.
kids film? by acelaney	Aug 20th, 2009 11:56:25 AM
holy shit is that it...is this film been made for a long run in one of those 3d tents in sea world?...i thought it was a fuckin halo advert
New Wolfman trailer... by Last_of_the_V8_Interceptors	Aug 20th, 2009 11:56:33 AM
can whip an avatar's ass... and no mention of it here yet for some reason. It's on Yahoo movies. Me likey.
The BIG TWIST by ebolamonkey	Aug 20th, 2009 11:56:37 AM
Is that the female alien is also an avatar, being controlled by another DUDE! Then Jake Sully realizes maybe that's OK and it gets all Brokeback Planet.
it does look fake.... by iwasredempted	Aug 20th, 2009 11:56:49 AM
but in a people in a rubber suit fake. then it clicked for me. it was rubbery. get it people. my god. let it soak in man. the movements had a gravity and weight to it. it didn't look at all like pixels floating in space trying to fake physics. let happen man. get your cherries popped.
My wife is in LOVE with this now. by antonphd	Aug 20th, 2009 11:57:16 AM
Face it fanboys, this movie was made for the Titanic audience. This is not Aliens this is Last of the Mohicans. And it's going to make a billion or two.
This trailer was jaw dropping... by The Gipper	Aug 20th, 2009 11:57:17 AM
Jaw droppingly AWFUL!!!
Hype? by codymr	Aug 20th, 2009 11:57:26 AM
It is funny to me that people talk about the hype for this film... there is certainly a lot of fan anticipation, but there has been very little hype per se until last months Comic-Con. Cameron has been his usual secretive self and the studio has released very little in the way of promotional material. I have seen very few magazine covers, posters or Entertainment Tonight type set visits for Avatar. In fact, for a film of this size there has been remarkably little hype. However it looks like the Fox marketing and promotions juggernaut is just gearing up with the special IMAX screenings and so on. So from this point onwards, yes, there will be marketing/promotions/hype galore. As for the CGI debate, my feeling is that they did a pretty good job when you account for the volume of CG effects in this film. Someone mentioned District 9 and the great effects. They are right IMO, the CG work in D9 is utterly fantastic (and Oscar worthy with any luck), but much of that film was “only” character mo-cap and rendering with some mother ship and CG helicopter shots and some digital mattes of Johannesburg now and then. Avatar has 100% alien CGI environments and characters... the more you have to create, the more computer resources you need to balance to bring the film in as close to on time and on budget as possible, despite the budget size. However one thing that D9 does do well that most SF films do not is to incorporate the “bad” shot into the effects. To my eye, too often CG shots are too pretty and smack of the “money shot” to try and blow the audience’s socks off. In D9 there quite a few shots were the camera was shaking… or the racked focus and framing was a bit off which helped sell the realism. Finally, one of the great things CGI can do is to create places, things and situations that simply can’t exist… and that is also the Achilles heel of the technology; when I look at the Na’vi sitting up in the hospital bed, it looks strange because my brain knows that there is no way that is real – it can’t be just an actor in a blue suit. The skin creases in the blue feet may look totally believable, but subconsciously, you know it can’t be. I think it is known as the “Uncanny Valley” effect. All in all I think this will do well, despite what the naysayers argue. It has Cameron’s name on the project and there are space marines for the boys and a cute alien love story for the girls. The only demo Cameron in not reaching this time around it the 50+ viewer… even my Grandmother went to see Titanic. Cameron always knows how to put on a show and this teaser looks interesting enough to get me in the theatre, unless the critics and word of mouth turn out to be horrible closer to the release date. Time will tell. That is my 2 cents.
HAHAHA AWFUL! by name818	Aug 20th, 2009 11:58:08 AM
the hype almost had me going. What a fucking turd. It kind of reminded me of SpaceJam with its shitty mix of real life and cartoons. The CGI is total crap. The problem is that there is no texture to the Navi. Its cartoon bullshit.
yiannis by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 11:58:12 AM
Sunshine, please show me the fully CGI character in that film? = The Sun.
FINALLY saw it - lighten up, fellas by Kaiser Soze	Aug 20th, 2009 11:59:19 AM
Finally got the site to work. Watched it a couple times to let it sink in, and I gotta say, chill, people. Does it look like the end all, be all of special effects as we know it? Not so far. Does it look like the effects shots are missing a coat or two of polish? Yes, and with roughly four months to goon something this ambitious, they probably aren't finished yet. BUT, does it look like something that could be epic in story and a kick-ass ride? Well, it does that, too. How's about we wait for more than 2 minutes out of at least 120 total before we pass judgment on a director that's proven himself time and again.
HATERS by Dhova09	Aug 20th, 2009 11:59:35 AM
you ppl are some fuckin haters! you damn well you are gonna shell out your gas money to go watch the film so shut the fuck up. You couldnt make a better film with a flip-cam! FUCKERS
Camerons other 3-D side project by technotranceporter	Aug 20th, 2009 11:59:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =a9P_St-sOWY
I think it looks amazing! And I usually don't like anything. by TooWhippy	Aug 20th, 2009 12:00:30 PM

with DAYBREAKERS and... by DC Films	Aug 20th, 2009 12:01:21 PM
...A SERIOUS MAN on the the way, i'm not too precious about AVATAR. I hope it's great and Cameron always brings a lot more substance than a teaser can show, but does look like Jar Jar Meets Apocalypto (the latter is good, the former bad). Despite what Cameron's been saying, i think it will depend on the 3D for the movie to work... I think DAYBREAKERS will the surprise hit, sadly AVATER might well be the surprise flop... Hope not.
I don't understand... by coastercrusader	Aug 20th, 2009 12:02:01 PM
...why all the whining? First of all, this is a "science fiction" movie. We have all known that it was going to be that. We also all knew that it was going to be all CGI. I for one think that Cameron hasn't even come close to showing us what his technology can do. Of course he's not going to blow our minds in a two minute trailer, why would any of us go see this movie if we see all the amazing stuff in the two minute glimpse. I have to agree with everyone else that said it, I think that the most important part of this trailer is when Sam Worthington's character smiles at his Avatar. I think with this movie we are not only going to get state-of-the-art cgi motion capture animation, but we are also going to get a touching, emotionally engaging story. That's what I hope to see in December.
Hopefully they don't release a first 7 minutes online by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:02:02 PM
Like they did with Speed Racer. That ended up hurting that film more then helping. I'm thinking like Speed this movie has a learning curve to it, you need about 15 minutes of Speed to really get what you are seeing before you can fully enjoy it. This may be the same.
my eyeballs by werewolfbynight	Aug 20th, 2009 12:02:25 PM
feel like they just got fucked by a cheap whore. i got my nut off, but i kind of wish i had'nt paid for it.
What I just saw was pretty awesome! by The_Genteel_Gentile	Aug 20th, 2009 12:03:01 PM
I don't know what you guys seem to be looking at. Any complaint likely comes down to the design not the render. I'd be willing to guarantee once people really see this thing, they will believe. I portend you all are going to regret ever doubting.
The Real Story by Mike Hunt 4 Pres	Aug 20th, 2009 12:03:27 PM
The real story here is that this thing is going to be a financial turd. I'm not a hater, I think it looks cool and will go see it in the theater. But seriously, there's no way mainstream audiences are going to go watch blue elves fight cartoon robots. Some studio executive just shit his pants after watching this trailer.
Floating grassy islands? by TheMarineBiologist	Aug 20th, 2009 12:03:36 PM
Oh no... I'm in Outland again...
Ok.... by Doschwall	Aug 20th, 2009 12:04:00 PM
...i will agree to watch it only if the game controller is included in the ticket price!
the blue... by gonkdroid	Aug 20th, 2009 12:04:27 PM
skin with over sized eyes is a piss poor choice.
antonphd.... by Magic Rat	Aug 20th, 2009 12:04:37 PM
you pretty much nailed it. This is Last of the Mohicans in space.
D9 and avatar cannot be compared to each other by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 12:04:42 PM
they are totally 2 different ways of filmmaking and such..
Hey, where are my deleted CE3K scenes? What gives? by BenBraddock	Aug 20th, 2009 12:05:11 PM

by Mintcake	Aug 20th, 2009 12:05:16 PM
not impressed, I am however thinking this year will be a little bit like when The Phantom Menace was released and The Matrix stole its thunder,and proved to be a far superior film, cept this year its District 9/Avatar
I think we can ALL agree that the ugliest thing about that trail by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 12:06:27 PM
was the use of Papyrus for the logo font. WTF, Cameron — are you making a movie or opening an organic grocery store?
after multiple viewings by bluebottle	Aug 20th, 2009 12:07:04 PM
it looks amazing. the first time i watched it, i couldn't help but scrutinize every shot, looking for flaws in the cg - it looked fake to me. but as i watch it more and more... i dunno... it looks pretty damn good. i'm excited.
Must say, THE WOLFMAN looks pretty good by BenBraddock	Aug 20th, 2009 12:07:19 PM
Wonder when AICN will put up a link?
Carl...1978 by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 12:07:29 PM
Stephen Lang is a fucking shit C-lister? Do a little basic fucking research.
er by Burgundy82	Aug 20th, 2009 12:08:09 PM
FUCK YOU, SUBJECT LINE LIMITATIONS!
A V A T A R - Fucking your eyeballs in 2009! by Motoko Kusanagi	Aug 20th, 2009 12:08:52 PM
EPIC WIN YOU FUCKERS!
This looks... by OceanWang	Aug 20th, 2009 12:09:07 PM
like shite. Seriously, dumb concept and a dumb movie. Wheelchair guy jacks into alien body, does it with other aliens. The actual planet looks kind of cool but the aliens look like they were originally designed for a Pixar movie. There's no photorealism to be had. Avatar? More like Avasuck! Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee! WANG OUT!
Doesn't look bad by Biffs_Pleasure_Paradise	Aug 20th, 2009 12:09:20 PM
Doesn't look revolutionary or amazing either. In the end, I don't care about getting my eyeballs fucked, I care about the story. Hopefully we will get a movie that deserves a seat next to Aliens and T2, and that's all I could hope for. On another note, The Wolfman trailer is up and it kicks ass.
The cat things look... by Exasperilious	Aug 20th, 2009 12:09:38 PM
kind of lame IMO. Looks strange overall. Not too excited for it other than it being Cameron.
Too much CG! It looks fake and inconsistent in a lot of spots! by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:09:46 PM

BenBraddock by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:09:50 PM
They won't put up a link because Harry is still pouting about Mark Romenek not being the director. Since he is SOOOO fucking good.
Looks shit by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR	Aug 20th, 2009 12:09:50 PM
My interest would be non-existent were it not for JC's name being attached to this, so I'm stuck on 'judgement reserved'. I love how some people's lives seem to be over because the link didn't work on time, fucking gimps.
I wish Bayformer Optimus would come in... by Crock_Samson	Aug 20th, 2009 12:09:58 PM
... and eat these shitty blue zebra-cat people! Fuck Michael Bay, fuck Fox, and fuck James Cameron's new over budgeted cartoon!
Merrick, what happened to the Close Encounters link? by snallyg	Aug 20th, 2009 12:10:05 PM
Did I just dream that?
My eyeballs feel like they've... by PessimusGrime	Aug 20th, 2009 12:10:12 PM
...just been with that rich, cheerleader chick from high school that everyone was thought was so hot, but who turned out to just sort of lie there like a paralyzed fish when I actually did manage to nail her. Then years later I saw her again when she came home from college and she had shaved her head and wore Timberlands, Wrangler jeans, a flannel shirt and no makeup, had gained at least 20 pounds and listened to Tracy Chapman and Jill Sobule on her car stereo.
Is everything lit too bright? by Domi'sInnerChild	Aug 20th, 2009 12:10:26 PM
That's what I came away with. Especially the mechs. There needs to be more grime to them.
What the hell just happened to the "Close Encounters" story? by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 12:10:41 PM
It was just there! Oh Christ, the Avatar teaser's fried my man-brain!
This is DEFINITELY a 'family' film, just like — by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:10:43 PM
"Titanic" was a film for tween girls. It will have action for the adventure heads, but this seems more like a 'live-action' anime than anything coming from a major studio (looking at you "DragonBall Z). I think Cameron anticipated the growth of anime/manga and saw the direction the zeitgeist was going and worked out how to westernize it enough with a backstory similar to "Dances with Wolves" to retain a point of entry for western audiences. Makes me curious regarding the storytelling beats and the overall narrative drive and pacing.
INCONSISTANT CG RENDERING RUINS THESE FILMS!!!!!! by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:11:18 PM
when will they fucking see it looks like shit when not handled moderately and controlled!!???
Hmm by MandrakeRoot	Aug 20th, 2009 12:11:25 PM
I don't get how people can say the CG looks like shit. I mean, it's not the best, but many shots are definitely up there. If you watch Lord of the Rings, you can easily tell Gollum is CGI, and your lying if you say different. Still, that's considered some of the best CGI, and some shots in this teaser are better than that. I think it's the realistic backgrounds that really differentiate it.
the last thing i have to say about this is where is the vagina.. by iwasredempted	Aug 20th, 2009 12:12:53 PM
dr. manhattan penis=avatar vagina. you want photorealistic. give me some clitoris. no? okay.
Series7 by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 12:12:59 PM
Erm, listen dude. You might want to grab your nearest dictionary and look up the meaning of "character" in relation to some form of dramatic performance. I may not have as good drugs as you do, but I don't recall the sun in Sunshine having much in the way of dialogue, or showcasing many nifty fighting moves or deep emotions...
Well if this is a repeat of The Matrix and TPM by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:13:18 PM
Avatar will still be a cash cow.
Burgundy82... by PessimusGrime	Aug 20th, 2009 12:13:39 PM
...Yes, a fellow graphic designer, I take it? Papyrus sucks ass... it's such an outdated, fn mid-90's crunchy granola font. And it hasn't even been altered at all besides stretching out the kerning a little. Epic lame!
Wheel Vhair Guys stays on the planet at the end. by SHIA_LABEUFS_CHRISTMAS	Aug 20th, 2009 12:14:18 PM
You guys go on back without me I'm gonna stay here and fuck giant blue cats.
There is no Close Encounters scene here. Move along." by snallyg	Aug 20th, 2009 12:14:30 PM

I agree, if James Cameron werent involved.... by MANZILLA	Aug 20th, 2009 12:14:34 PM
Then most people would not be interested. This looks like Cameron is still stuck in titanic mode, giving us a pg-13 dances with wolves type love story. The art design looks awful, everything looks like a retread of stuff we have seen already.
An optical illusion by LarkStew	Aug 20th, 2009 12:14:40 PM
When the two lab assistants are looking at the Na'vi sitting up on the bench, it looks like they're staring behind him. But I just realised, the Na'vi are ten feet tall (something like that), but your brain thinks he's the same size as a human, so puts him closer than he really is in your visual field and makes it look fake. When you see that in 3D, you'll get a proper impression of where he is and it'll look awesome. So now I'm wondering how many other shots might suffer like that?
Bamboo, Dinos, Dropships, Gelflings and Mechwarriors by Pabodie	Aug 20th, 2009 12:14:50 PM
Ho Hum. I just can't get up for this. We are being event marketed into submission to how "real" it looks. It has to feel real, too. No soul, no movie.
I think it looks exciting. by WYLD STALLYNS RULES	Aug 20th, 2009 12:14:54 PM
I think the "eyeball-fuckery" thing was more a product of people here and at other movie sites unreasonably inflating expectations. I thought the trailer was great, and I'm looking forward to Avatar Day tomorrow.
It's the realistic backgrounds that set the cg apart. by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:15:07 PM
it just looks like a prettier version of that Delgo. It looks ok in spots but others it looks fake as all crap.
Motoko Kusanagi by Sir Nigel Lengthington-Smythe	Aug 20th, 2009 12:15:32 PM
you stupid cunt, this is what you've been spouting on about for so long? I bet you feel like a total twat now, but you'll keep a brave face until the film comes out.
What if this were the case... by BubbaDestructo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:15:39 PM
District 9...a film by James Cameron. Avatar...a film by Neil Blomkamp. Now view each of their respective trailers with that in your mind. Does your perception of these films change?
yiannis??? by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:16:27 PM
Are you fucking kidding me! The depth and range of the Sun in that movie was fantastic! I mean have you ever seen someone SO close to death as the Sun was in that movie potrayed SO brightly before? He just needed one little nuclear blast the size of New York to be saved! And due to his location it was so hard for them to get there, but he SHINED as brightly as he could even in his frail state, so brave. Oscar worthy in my book.
The Furry community will love it. by BobWinters5	Aug 20th, 2009 12:16:33 PM
Enjoy the epic SyFy quality love story that you've been waiting for.
Looks about the same... by Hugh G Rekshun	Aug 20th, 2009 12:17:03 PM
...as anything GL has done...except without as many a-hole fanboy complaints. I give it a rating of meh/meh.
What's Avatar again? by HapaPapa72	Aug 20th, 2009 12:17:50 PM
By the way, The Wolfman trailer is on Yahoo.
If I was being condescending... by The_Coyote	Aug 20th, 2009 12:17:56 PM
...I take it back. Apologies. I understand how some may find it underwhelming. It just seemed that the haters were going a little overboard with the hyperbole. There's clearly some pretty cool stuff going on in the trailer, but perhaps not to everyone's personal standard. Either way, I concede.
I like Cameron but. by JestaFool	Aug 20th, 2009 12:18:27 PM
my niece just watched it with me(she only 5) and she siad it was willy wonka with the girl that ate the gum and turned blue only she didnt get fat!
Ominus... by Samplelord	Aug 20th, 2009 12:18:28 PM
"In other words,your brain cant comprehend the image of the navi alien,because it hasnt seen a navi before,so it acknowledges as fake and as a result u get the impression that is cartoony. " Thats' bullshit... The creature in Alien, The Thing, The Fly,fuck, even The Blob remake are much more unworldly and "alien" than the Navi and much more disturbing for to mind to accept ...do they look cartoony? Even more so, most non horror fan's can't even look at these flicks cuz the of their design, their mind make's it real for them...they get scared of a animatronic puppet or a dude in a suit. The Navi look like tall, blue, Thundercats...very comprehendable and very cg looking. See how fast my brain has grasped the unoriginal representation of the Navi? How it has classified their design and concept....and has put in the Bermuda Triangle section of my brain? Nice try...better luck next time...
woah.....how do those lands float? by MillaJovovichsArmpitSmell	Aug 20th, 2009 12:18:36 PM
yet after that trailer i dont care. sure, the aliens weren't hyper realistic, and the plot seems like ferngully, but damn, in 3d, ill prolly see that shit more than once.
this is NOT photoreal? yes it IS...check link by lukasman	Aug 20th, 2009 12:18:37 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UEbZ krBImcM/So1prFiKAnI/AAAAAAAAAt U/og40vEGF9OY/s1600-h/avatarte eth.JPG Im sorry, that looks like a guy in makeuo = photoreal!
THE WOLF MAN trailer looks pretty good! by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 12:19:12 PM
Even though the fucking Chorus of the Apocalypse had to be used yet again! Emily Blunt is cinema class, people. If Joe Johnston can pull this off, there's hope for CAPTAIN AMERICA yet.
Why all this Fuss about CG by ScooterJockey	Aug 20th, 2009 12:19:15 PM
Why all this fuss about AVATAR - when the Wolfman Trailer and it's Genuine Physical Makeup / CG transformation mashup will own all these little blue fairies.
Not A Game Changer, But That Did Look Totally Effin' Awesome by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 12:19:30 PM
That's right, you heard me, I think that looked totally fucking awesome. I'll officially shut up forever about Cameron and how much I hate T2 if the actual movie lives up to the awesome I think I just saw.
Wow! Pretty damn amazing stuff by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Aug 20th, 2009 12:20:13 PM
Almost too I amazing, Its going to take a leap of faith to just accept those creatures as the protagonists. But I for one will be there watching in 3D IMAX to give it my best shot. The graphics looking incredible. The soles of its feet! Just wow! Lets see if I can just accept the faces and not be taken out wondering how they did it/
dont judge a movie by its teaser/trailer? by Bouncy X	Aug 20th, 2009 12:20:20 PM
ummmm, that's the whole point of those, to give you an idea of what the movie will be like so you can decide whether or not you want to see it. if you expect people to see a movie before judging it then why bother make a trailer you know? anyway, this is exactly what i expected, it looks cool and i'll definately check it out but its not impressive or awesome or anything. it just looks cool.
please take me screening tix! I don't want them now. by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:20:26 PM
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I think the CG looks fine... by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:20:50 PM
...and watching it in 3D on an Imax is going to be an entirely different experience from watching it in 2D on a computer screen. Nothing in this preview leads me to believe this WON'T be an incredible experience.
Eyeballs have been UNfucked! by IndyCollector	Aug 20th, 2009 12:21:13 PM

Chagui by CharyouTree	Aug 20th, 2009 12:21:55 PM
Hats of to you sir for admitting the HD one looks great.
Yep, the CE3K deleted scenes link has been deleted by BenBraddock	Aug 20th, 2009 12:22:47 PM
We demand to know why!
this would've made a very cool anime... by HaterofCrap	Aug 20th, 2009 12:22:54 PM
meh?
Furry fandom has a pretty big fanbase CTM1978 by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:23:07 PM
I don't know if it's big enough to support a $200 million dollar epic, but, you'd be surprised how many people exist in that fan community. I don't know if I'm on the right track, but if the film is a hit, that might be factor.
I think The Wolfman trailer comes across better by just pillow talk	Aug 20th, 2009 12:23:14 PM
I still think the aerial battle is the best thing in the trailer, not crazy about the other parts. We'll see...
Being still upset about people hating this? by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:23:35 PM
All and all I'd say that the hate for this has been pretty mild in terms of AICN hating. There is no one spamming crap. The dick jokes have been kept to a minimum. So that probably doesn't say much for the movie, because it isn't moving people to curse the name of Avatar and say bat shit crazy nonsense about how stupid it is and its not getting over whelming praise from everyone. A movie that causes no reaction is the worst sort of movie you can make.
Looked alright until it turned into a video game by Laserhead	Aug 20th, 2009 12:23:36 PM

CGI / Actor interface doesn't work by BosphorusBill	Aug 20th, 2009 12:24:00 PM
If you look at where the worryingly effete avatar wakes up on the hospital trolley the actors are looking at a point about 2 feet behind his camp fashion designer's head. Couldn't they afford a stick with a bit of card on it when shooting..? Like the 1970's Roger Dean floating mountains.
Damn, Emily Blunt should have been Black Widow by BenBraddock	Aug 20th, 2009 12:24:07 PM
Again, damn
CG still has a ways to go, but I'll definitely see it... by Mr. Waturi	Aug 20th, 2009 12:24:31 PM
I work in the industry, so I guess I'm more discriminating than most. But honestly, the CG doesn't look much better than "Beauwolf." The character movements are still stiff (just look at the first scene where he slams his arm against the glass). The CG is still too clean. The skin doesn't have enough grit and texture. The environments don't have enough atmosphere. The eyes and teeth look cartoonish. Still, I guess that's a good thing. It should be incredibly difficult for computers to replicate life. A worthwhile effort, though. I'll be there opening day.
Not Bad by Soapfish	Aug 20th, 2009 12:25:07 PM
I thought it looked pretty sweet. I was expecting it to not live up to my expectations of the hype and was ready to hate it, but I kinda liked it. My issue is with Fern-Gully story remake qualities and the Papyrus font. Come on Cameron/Fox, any college design student could tell you not to use Papyrus.
ebolamonkey by codymr	Aug 20th, 2009 12:25:53 PM
"Brokeback Planet" LMAO.
Jurrasic Park = best use of CG ever! by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:26:03 PM

wolfman CGI transformation FTL by knowthyself	Aug 20th, 2009 12:26:30 PM
Another wack CGI wolf man? No thanks
Trailer Backlash? by DeadPanWalking	Aug 20th, 2009 12:27:24 PM
Anyone with a brain knows that blacklash is simply a defense mechanism due to low self-esteem. If you're getting worked up over this trailer, you might want to consider improving your own life and caring about something that actually effects you personally. Just a little advice.
Samplelord by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:27:25 PM
The reason your brain is quicker to accept those other creatures you mentioned is that they are LESS human than the Na'vi and thus you have fewer points of reference to compare them to. The more human something looks, the harder it is to trick us, because we see and interact with humans every day.
BosphorusBill by BenBraddock	Aug 20th, 2009 12:27:27 PM
Those were my thoughts exactly!! All except for the Roger Dean bit.. but you're right on that too, come to think of it.
Looks awful (Apocalypto meets Final Fantasy crappy CGI) by effector12	Aug 20th, 2009 12:27:35 PM
Aliens that look like blue fairies, ships from Terminator Salvations. It's Apocalypto meets Final Fantasy. Can't believe Cameron spent 5yrs of his life on this one, and over 237 million dollars making it. This is going to fail miserably. I've liked some of Cameron's past films, The Terminator, Aliens, and The Abyss. But this film looks terrible. Here's hoping the movie is better than the trailer.
Prepare to relax tomorrow as well... by gotilk	Aug 20th, 2009 12:27:39 PM
a certain percentage of people who believe they have perfect sight cannot experience the 3d effect. It just doesn't register as any different from 2d beyond some added "blurriness". I remember having an argument with one such person while discussing true 3d vs. simulated 3d environments displayed in 2d on a screen. He was convinced that true 3d had arrived when he played Halo. It was 2d, period. After a long time talking about the various 3d films we'd both seen over the years, it finally dawned on me that the poor guy just did not see 3d, at all.. ever. So tomorrow, be prepared for a few people here saying it was a "blurry mess" and didn't once make them feel like they were immersed. Don't take it personally.
Most will see the film in 2D by vadakinX	Aug 20th, 2009 12:27:40 PM
Having just watched it...ugh, cg is horrible. Yes the movie is designed to be watched in 3D but most people will be forced to watch it in 2D and so far it's failed. That big panther creature was laughable and when the Avatar speaks (technically Huntingtons consciousness inside the avatar) it looked horrible. There are a few nice shots of machinery (ships etc) but I've seen shots that are just as good and realistic in Battlestar Galactica, and that has a TV budget, not the biggest budget in Hollywood history. I'm sure it will look great in 3D. The problem is, most people aren't going to be able to watch this in 3D. It will be a 2D experience for most of the audience.
Is this Dances With Wolves in space? by Thrillhaus	Aug 20th, 2009 12:28:23 PM
It gave off that kinda vibe. I wish that Scorcese was making Hyperion...Damn that would be game changing. Also the aliens remind me of the Sithi in Tad Williams Memory Sorrow and Thorn trilogy. I don't care about the CGI if the story is good. That's why Moon was so rad. The CGI in Moon was kind of dated really--but the story kicked ass
So realistic...it's unreal by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 20th, 2009 12:28:30 PM
This is a glorified cartoon. It's like a Roger Dean album cover come to life. So many colors and floating islands, you can't believe they actually exist, which is funny, cuz they don't. Oh Mr. Cameron, Starship Troopers 3 called, they want their armored suits back.
Lang was the Party Pooper by CharyouTree	Aug 20th, 2009 12:28:42 PM
in The Hard Way, great movie, with great Lang.
Ferngully 2: Electric Boogaloo by Pissed Off And Bitter	Aug 20th, 2009 12:28:51 PM
With Sam Worthington protecting the creatures of Ferngully, whose very existence is threatened by the Human Race. I'm sorry but I remember when everyone here thought James Cameron was gonna save cinema with this film. Everyone was like "Cameron's gonna show Lucas and Spielberg how to do CG right" and all kinds of other hyperbole that was probably put there by Cameron and his ego. Take a look at what being overconfident and overstating your abilites is making your movie look like now, Cameron. The backlash on this talkback hasn't been seen since Phantom Menace came out. As for my opinion on the look of the film - I think the Navi look jerky and unrealistic at the minimum. They have no pores and it doesn't look like they have any textures on thier bodies, it just looks like blue coloring. I think a lot more texture and bump-mapping work has to be done to at least give off the illusion that they look fairly real. But until then, this looks like an Epic Fail!! My eye's virginity will be taken by Tron Legacy, thank you...
Drink Cameron's Kool-Aid by Abominable Snowcone	Aug 20th, 2009 12:29:09 PM
Drink it!
Blue cat people with mullets... by kjmad25	Aug 20th, 2009 12:29:18 PM
...why not something a little cooler, more ferocious looking? Like the prawns in District 9. I'm still gonna see this. But I'm really, really disappointed in the direction Cameron took with the Na'vi. Everything but the Na'vi looks amazing.
I thought most markets now had 3d screens. by gotilk	Aug 20th, 2009 12:29:22 PM
I have several to choose from here, Sacramento region. Some are better than others, but there's a selection. I still find it odd that the best 3d imax screen in town is not participating in Avatar day.
Looks alright by darkslab	Aug 20th, 2009 12:29:25 PM
I have a feeling though, the story is pretty "see through" at this point. It looks like a classic western almost, cowboys vs indians, with "cultural" misunderstandings. As much as the cg is transparent, I think the plot itself can be easily seen through the preview. But hey, I could be wrong.
My eyeballs didn’t get lucky by I_Snake_Plissken	Aug 20th, 2009 12:30:15 PM
Not even an end of the night hug – instead the Avatar trailer walked me up to the door and said, “you’re a great friend.”
And everyone comparing this to... by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:30:50 PM
..."Dances with Wolves" should google "Edgar Rice Burroughs" and "planetary romance". Just sayin'.
Thrillhaus by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:31:02 PM
Does Scorcese still have the rights to "Hyperion"?
Prawns > Na'vi by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 12:31:57 PM
Totally agree. This still looks awesome, though. I honestly can't believe so many of you are hating on this. It looks good to me, and I'm highly dubious / critical of Cameron seeing as how he made two good movies and then a handful of shitty ones (imho). This looks pretty friggin' awesome, though.
JC took too long to develop this movie by DarthBakpao	Aug 20th, 2009 12:32:52 PM
that we have seen enough other impressive CG works, we're no longer wowed by the quality we see in Avatar... JC can only pray that the story is good enough to attract moviegoers to see it, otherwise i'm sorry to say that the word "epic fail" might be true...
Anyone got a download link by CharyouTree	Aug 20th, 2009 12:33:35 PM
for the HD version? Please.
Scott Derrickson is apparently directing Hyperion by Thrillhaus	Aug 20th, 2009 12:36:57 PM
and it's shame b/c Scorcese's interpretation would have been something to see!!
Looks good to me. Don't like that font tho by theneonsamurai	Aug 20th, 2009 12:37:11 PM
Then again, I don't really give a shit about what looks CG or not.
Cameron Backlash! by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 12:38:03 PM
I'm not surprised. This actually does look cool, but the self-proclaimed "king of the world" just totally fucked up by proclaiming that this was going to blow everyones minds. If it just quietly came out, and the trailer hit, people would be far more excited. As it stands, it looks cool, but it does not look any better, efxwise then any of the other big CG tentpole movies like the Star Wars prequels, LOTR, Matrix sequels, King Kong. It does look good, its just not game changing.
Completely... by Lucasblows	Aug 20th, 2009 12:38:40 PM
...underwhelming.
I was looking forward to this by Redmond	Aug 20th, 2009 12:38:50 PM
Hell, I'll go see it, just because I'm sure the technology is great. But I was never jazzed by the story, and this doesn't help. It kinda looks like a sci-fi version of "Dances with Wolves". Dunno....it seemed underwhelming to me.
The lamest thing about Avatar... by darthvedder81	Aug 20th, 2009 12:38:58 PM
...is that they are using "Papyrus" as the title font. Good God. Other than that it looks great. The movie doesn't need to be all mindblowing and revolutionary for me to enjoy it. If Cameron can just make a decent sci-fi action flick I'll be happy. We've had to endure too much garbage in the action genre for far too long.
Series7 by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 12:39:09 PM
Sigh... Where, at any point in any one of my posts, did I criticise the effects of Sunshine? I think that film is absolutely fucking amazing and criminally underrated at both a commercial and awards level. But... THE... SUN... IS... NOT... A... CHARACTER!!!!! No matter how much symbolic meaning an inanimate object is given in a movie (see also the ring in LOTR and the ship in Event Horizon), it is NEVER a true character.It has no emotion, no performance and does not react with the world around it in any meaningful way. Of course, when I wrote my initial reply I had already contemplated the fact that your post could be a ham-fisted, clumsy attempt at irony. I chose (and choose now) to take your post seriously, though. I'll take the chance of being the butt of a pathetic joke that only the teller laughs at any day if the alternative is to correct someone's misconceptions...
MY EYES... GOOD GOD MY EYES! by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:39:34 PM
...are they still there?!
This doesn't look good... by catlettuce4	Aug 20th, 2009 12:41:30 PM

Not the biggest budget in Hwood history by Redmond	Aug 20th, 2009 12:41:36 PM
I heard reports of $240 million on AVATAR and $250 million on last Harry Potter movie.
IT'S NOT CATURDAY YET! What the... I don't even... by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 12:42:14 PM
Blue cats everywhere.
You know, it's not the CG it's the art direction by theneonsamurai	Aug 20th, 2009 12:42:24 PM
the haters just hate anything that sparkles. watch the scene in the bamboo forest again. remember, that's all fucking CG. pretty massively incredible when you think about it. only thing i don't like is the kiss.
yiannis by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:43:33 PM
Consider yourself an ass because I was just havin a wee bit of tom foolery wit yeah! And as long as I'm laughin who gives a fuck about anyone else! I'll dance away playing me pan pipe.
D-9 owns Avatar ass by paulyd30	Aug 20th, 2009 12:44:25 PM
Way too much CGI. Aliens worked becuse of it's realism . If they can make Abe from Hellboy a guy in a suit they could have done it here too.
avatar/halo by ChainsawX	Aug 20th, 2009 12:44:36 PM
this is what halo should look like..let cameron direct that next!
FINAL FANTASY THE SPIRITS WITHIN by iwontwin	Aug 20th, 2009 12:45:12 PM
It looks alright.....a step up from beowulf
See Avatar in it's entirety right here! by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:45:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Zvhp4j3BMGA&feature=related
Meh by Dimpy	Aug 20th, 2009 12:45:41 PM
My eyeballs are still virgins...
Penispouch... by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 12:45:41 PM
That's what I thought. You're a cunt. And have zero intellectual prowess. Quit surfing AICN and go back to playing World of Warcraft :) You'll be missed though!
does look cartoonish by mynemaborat	Aug 20th, 2009 12:45:43 PM
but thats only because the design of the navi are cartoonish. i actually liked it... looked interesting really.
JC's Heavens gate by Not_really_here	Aug 20th, 2009 12:46:05 PM
The teaser didn't impress me at all.I really expected something mind blowing from all the hype this has been getting. Instead I see nothing but the same old shitty cgi. I really think this will tank at the box office. Bummer.
Wow. That looks awful. by HoboCode	Aug 20th, 2009 12:46:42 PM
Every frame looked fake. The aliens looked like motherfucking CARTOONS. This is what we waited for Cameron? WTF?
wow by Tacoloft	Aug 20th, 2009 12:46:49 PM
Based on the trailer this 'looks' fantastic - however I say a lot of cliché moments ala LOTR, Star Wars, ect... could be the same story with new paint. Oh well, I am a sucker for anything sci-fi so I will be handing my money over anyways.
It looks like by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:46:56 PM
Terminator 4.0: Live Free or Die Hard, raped Tim Burton's CGI work.
looks cool to me by Rupee88	Aug 20th, 2009 12:47:01 PM
I am not a CG hater like many people....and I'm not a retard who bought into the hype.
Which one of you pricks is hating on my AVATAR movie? by standundermyumbrella	Aug 20th, 2009 12:47:13 PM
after watching the trailer a minute ago, i can honestly say blowing a single load is absolutely impossible! i had multiple orgasms that were so juicy and fresh you can't even imagine!! neytiri has gotta be one of the sexiest creatures ever put on film. the cgi is so mindblowing i needed to call a detective to help me find all the missing pieces of my skull! you are all being too hard like my dick because your expectations were just simply impossibly high. that doesn't change the fact that neytiri is a sexy bitch thats going to be masturbated to for years and years. i will be looking forward to busting more nuts on avatar day! what a wonderful glorious beautiful masterpiece this is going to be!!!
I can't wait to skip this video game cut scene!!! by zargotron	Aug 20th, 2009 12:48:34 PM
Most of the games I play have scenes just like this only without the years upon years of waiting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C cj9RvwXTL8 by Brannagins Law	Aug 20th, 2009 12:48:40 PM

Scott Derrickson, eh? Well, hopefully the script will by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 12:48:50 PM
work.
Where all da blue women at? by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 12:49:23 PM
20 feet tall, their vagoo's must be immense! Maybe i could fit my whole head inside...
Prediction - by 69DUDE	Aug 20th, 2009 12:49:32 PM
Really long, really boring, really self-indulgent, really really cheesy Cameron dialogue, really really really tech-obsessed. Oh, and why does the CGI look like Finding Nemo or some shit? Did Jimmy C tells us this was going to be groundbreaking? In what sense?
THANKS FOR CRASHING MY COMP MERRICK!!!!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 12:50:05 PM

Just a dusting of Rape on my eyes. by pacrone	Aug 20th, 2009 12:50:24 PM
After all the talk about how this was going to redefine how CG was gonna look, I'm a bit disappointed. Maybe seeing an extended look might make me feel diferrent but my eyeball were far from being raped.
HEY QUAID, YOU EVER FUCKED A NAVI? by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 12:50:39 PM
NOO BENNEH, SCREWWWW YOUUUUUU!!!!
Whoa! Watched it four times now and IT FUCKING ROCKS! by Motoko Kusanagi	Aug 20th, 2009 12:51:01 PM
This is the first epic sci-fi action movie that has a story, nice visuals and no fucking shaky cam. Fuck all those Michael Bay / Stephen Sommers / George soulless Lucas / McFUCKING-G jerkoffs. This is the real deal. Welcome back, Iron Jim! We missed you.
That news about the ad from EW by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:51:05 PM
Is more interesting to me then this trailer. That thing sounds awesome, even if its showing crappy TV shows.
Not_really_here by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 12:51:16 PM
Why would it tank at the box office? Total shit makes hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes i'm looking at you, Transformers 2. Avatar will be huge because: A) Everyone will go and see it out of curiosity. B) Kids will see it multiple times. and, most importantly: C) It will probably be fantastic.
BIG DEAL by interneti	Aug 20th, 2009 12:51:19 PM
The CGI won't be enough to save the movie. It will live or die based on its plot. Hate to say it.
Oh, and this talkback just exploded. by Motoko Kusanagi	Aug 20th, 2009 12:52:01 PM
A V A T A R. Best movie of the decade.
Peoples Expectations Are Too High BECAUSE of Cameron's Ego by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 12:52:05 PM
Like I said, if this was just introduced in a normal fashion, rather than hearing Cameron scream, shout, and jerk off all over himself that it was going to dramatically alter the very framework of the Universe, then people wouldn't be hating on it. I agree, though, that people are being too hard on this. It looks good to me. And since when does cartoony = bad? I fuckin' love cartoons! I wanna live in a cartoon. Doesn't everybody? Oh, but photorealistic? Nah. Unless its a photo of a cool looking cartoon, of course.
standundermyumbrella by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:52:07 PM
AHhhhh there's the penis references. LET IT BEGIN!
THE PHANTOM MENACE!!!! by 69DUDE	Aug 20th, 2009 12:52:25 PM
Didn't know they were re-releasing that shit!!!!
Lame Fanboy Wank Material by paradigm26	Aug 20th, 2009 12:52:25 PM
This is what we waited for from Cameron? What a bunch of over-hyped drivel. I'm convinced it's target audience is undersexed, over-geekified man-boys. This movie just fell off my list of ones to watch.
I am not impressed. by Ironhelix	Aug 20th, 2009 12:52:30 PM
This looks like a really good video game cut-scene. CGI lacks the proper "weight" to ever look real. What planet do the people who think this looks even CLOSE to real live on?
Laser-- by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 12:53:35 PM
cameron hasnt come out and said anywhere this is gonna be huge....
Final Fantasy? Kinda cartoony. But give JC a chance. by Knobules	Aug 20th, 2009 12:54:07 PM
Not sure what I was expecting. For a live action video game it looks good. Uh. Guess we need more info. Camerons usually great so give the guy a chance.
It's not that they don't look like real aliens by bah	Aug 20th, 2009 12:55:27 PM
It's that they look like cartoons! I mean, this is only marginally better than that thing from Lost In Space. I've never seen a dinosaur, but I know when one in a movie looks realistic and when it looks like a cartoon.
CONGRATS CAMERON! by XiMan	Aug 20th, 2009 12:55:41 PM
"FOR ALL WHO EXALT THEMSLEVES WILL BE HUMBLED." -Luke 14:11
Six Demon Bag by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 12:55:58 PM
What did you think of the trailer?
Dear God. You whining shitfuckers! by Fitzcarraldo2	Aug 20th, 2009 12:56:02 PM
A new record for whiny internet virgin spleen-venting has just been set. That looked amazing, beautiful and exciting.
C'mon, this looks fantastic by prbt	Aug 20th, 2009 12:56:57 PM
I don't see how people can say otherwise. The CGI is the best I've ever seen, I'd like to see examples that people think are better.
That looked amazing, beautiful and exciting. by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 12:57:38 PM
AND THAT'S JUST THE TIP! What till he sticks it in!
I admit... by KillDozer	Aug 20th, 2009 12:57:55 PM
I was expecting to be more wowed by the CGI than I actually was, but I'll give James Cameron the benefit of the doubt. The thing that looked the most out of place to me? The wheelchair. For some reason a future where they haven't figured out how to regenerate nerve connections, especially when a mind can be projected into the fully functioning (nerve connections and all) body of an alien species, just seems all wrong...
Relax,tomorrow is the screen preview.after that by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 12:58:18 PM
the haters will go back to their caves.the link with the article, which Emperor posted,tells a lot of correct things.u should read it. just be patience.tomorrow u will watch a glimpse of Camerons true vision in its fully glory.
Series7 by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 12:58:21 PM
I said I was prepared to take the chance...
prbt by just pillow talk	Aug 20th, 2009 12:58:44 PM
Jurassic Park.
James Cameron: The New George Lucas by 69DUDE	Aug 20th, 2009 12:58:54 PM
Think about it, both took a massive break from directing. Both have served up over-hyped cartoony CG sci-fi garbage as a comeback. Admit it!!
Okay so by Juwanna_Mann_2_Fanboy	Aug 20th, 2009 12:59:13 PM
People who think this looks bad have the right to think that, of course. The problem lies with judging a movie so harshly before even hearing so much as two lines of dialogue. Especially given that this is the new creation by a man who's track record is nearly perfect, who has dedicated the last decade of his life creating an ORIGINAL world to entertain you. I think you owe the man a little more than some bullshit attack on two minutes of footage that is totally out of context from the rest of the material. Do you know what REAL work is? It's not hard labor, it's not a nine to five desk job. Those things drain your soul and make you negative, then you spread your negativity here. Real work is creating something new that enhances you and the world and makes you happy. Dedicating yourself and laying it all out on the line with a new piece of art is a very hard thing to do. At least see his work before you tear it down, and remember what the man has given you. And don't let the fact that you're force fed so many shitty movies by Hollywood cloud your judgment when a truly great movie comes along. District 9 and Avatar in the same year? We're fucking lucky. Let's focus on the good stuff people, make the world a little bit happier!
All your complaints are design related, not render. by The_Genteel_Gentile	Aug 20th, 2009 12:59:58 PM
But once we actually see real scenes involving acting we'll likely understand why the design had to accommodate the full range of human emotion, and we'll be all the more glad for it. I can't imagine how such a really fascinating, intriguing, and beautifully atmospheric trailer could possibly inspire this level of vitrol. You've all just been aching to bitch huh? You do realise you all just crucified the savior right?
Am I the only person who DOES NOT CARE about this film? by 5onthe5	Aug 20th, 2009 01:00:55 PM
It looks like all CGI-heavy films look: like watching someone else play a video game. And has there ever been any work of art this long in the making that was any good? Does Chinese Democracy mean nothing? I'll stick with Starship Troopers, thanks.
Oh, and you know what ELSE sucks about this whole premise? by Ironhelix	Aug 20th, 2009 01:01:06 PM
the fact that this "fantastic" world is populated by dinosaurs, and 10ft tall blue humans. The next time, take all that money and go buy yourselves an imagination, and THEN make a movie. Fuck.
FURGULLY by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:01:53 PM
Is this a remake of Ferngully or is it actually a sequel? Either way, my fur friends in Second Life are glad somebody's finally made a movie just for them.
Six Demon Bag by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 01:02:39 PM
Wait a second, Cameron wasn't shouting up and down saying that this was going to be a "game changer"? Thats what I remember. Thats been the hype from the man himself for several months. That it was going to be the most amazing explosion of 3d efx wizardry ever. Dude, we even had arguments about it and ridiculously over-the-top his rhetoric was. I think it looks really cool, but NOWHERE NEAR as cool as the hype, largely from him and/or his camp, led us all to believe. I'll definitely be seeing it, think it looks cool, but efx-wise it does not even approach "game-changing."
NEW JAY-Z VIDEO!!! by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 01:03:40 PM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articl es/1619098/20090819/story.jhtm l Who the fuck is that dork talking about the video before hand?
Looks Incredible. Cameron is BACK! by Rindain	Aug 20th, 2009 01:04:56 PM
The CGI performance capture is amazing. As is the shot of the ship landing in the forest, and mvoements of the plants. This movie looks EPIC and, most importantly, Cameron's record is perfect.
Great... for a Pixar Movie by Action Hero	Aug 20th, 2009 01:04:58 PM
Is this the new Monsters, Inc. 2 trailer?
KillDozer by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 01:05:10 PM
AAAAAhahahah thats funny. About the wheel chair. Then again think about now. We can get your dick hard when you are dead. Give hair to the hairless, but haven't done shit to fix cancer.
umm 5onthe5 by Juwanna_Mann_2_Fanboy	Aug 20th, 2009 01:05:28 PM
usually when someone spends a decade working on a film, making sure EVERY aspect is perfect, it turns out pretty well. Especially when it's James fucking Cameron. Why don't you see the movie on the big screen in 3D (and make sure your brain is turned on) before you judge it?
When's this game come out again? by RobertBaron	Aug 20th, 2009 01:05:56 PM
The script, performances and direction better rock because the CGI blows. None of it looks convincing. I don't see any huge advances based on the trailer. The CGI movement still is off. The characters look gummy and cartoony and the backgrounds look like something out of Myst. Unless the movie as a whole is utterly fantastic, this has disaster written all over it. Which may be a good thing. A huge financial Heaven's Gate disaster may just get Cameron back on the Terminator ship to right that course.
So does he just take over the mind of a blue cat by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 01:06:03 PM
Or do they make up a whole new Blue Cat?
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:06:54 PM
I can relate to this story. Originally skeptical of the anthro community, I went deep undercover as a cheetah man in Second Life and discovered an amazing world where I met the love of my life, a nine foot tall transsexual unicorn.
I've been talking about the lack of CG "evolution" for years... by Viewer 3	Aug 20th, 2009 01:07:07 PM
But every time I bring it up on this site, I get pegged as an "elitist". When I talk about how cartoony and unnaturally smooth and fluid lazy motion capture looks, people pretend like I'm just LOOKING for something to hate. Now suddenly people are crawling out of the woodwork to actually recognize that there hasn't been any significant CG evolution since Jurassic Park. As I've said in other TBs, I thought Gollum was a step in the right direction, and I hoped that character animation would really take off from there. Unfortunately it's only gotten more and more lazy. Everything in this trailer still looks like either rubber, latex, or plastic. Rubber and latex for the skin of pretty much every living CG thing, and plastic for everything else. And come on, are there really people stupid enough to say "Oh well maybe these shots just aren't finished and it'll look way better in the final release"? Honestly, I can understand why some still want to cling to hope, but it doesn't take a very high IQ to see the many logical and technical reasons why the enormous makeover required for this film to reach a better level of realism is impossible at this point. Use your brain, damn.
Bluecats by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 01:07:17 PM
Anyone up for calling fans of the film that? You know like Browncoats or BSG Nerds.
Flame me if you want. by Gabba-UK	Aug 20th, 2009 01:07:23 PM
it looked very good but in terms of ocular rapeage... It barely touched the sides. Sorry. Just my opinion. And as one of the 10 percent of the population that gets headaches from 3D.....
I don't like the look of it... by moonlightdrive	Aug 20th, 2009 01:07:40 PM
it's like a cartoon. Not excited about this movie.
Floating rocks? FLOATING FUCKING ROCKS?!?!? by Chariowalda_Barbarossa	Aug 20th, 2009 01:08:07 PM
Though I have to admit theres some impressing visuals here I was kinda shocked. What was this talk about putting so much work into making this Pandora world as realistic as possible? I was willing to buy these giant stone rings, alhthough no geological explanation for those comes to mind immediately. Sorry, but when the first floating rocks showed up i thought Mr. Cameron must be kidding. This was supposed to be science fiction, wasn't it? Floating rocks that's not science fiction, that's fantasy. You should hear the utter distaste i put into the word "fantasy" in such occasions. Or is this the film's McGuffin? Are the nasty humans there to mine for the world's precieous anti gravity pixie dust? Big blue elves with even bigger eyes, this seems to be made for the generation anime. I prefer some science in my science fiction. Guess teenagers are gonna love it. May not tank after all. And yes, I'm still going to see this film, as we all are.
looks like Final Fantasy cut scenes. by shogunshin	Aug 20th, 2009 01:08:37 PM

I can't believe anyone says it looks horrible, it doesn't look h by Magic Rat	Aug 20th, 2009 01:08:39 PM
But it doesn't appear that it continues the progression of CGI that Cameron started with T2 going all the way through Lord of the Rings. It seems like a minor step forward, instead of a major one, and I think that's why people are upset. Most were expecting a huge leap and in 2D, its hard to tell if this is that much of a leap. We might all be singing a different tune come December, though.
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:09:01 PM
We're actually setting up the Blue Cat Corral in Second Life right now. Stop by if you want to share thoughts, poetry, or song.
69DUDE by codymr	Aug 20th, 2009 01:09:37 PM
You may be right... both Cameron and Lucas have sworn off 35mm film for 24P digital film making as well.
What really stinks isnt the letdown of the trailer by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 01:10:20 PM
Its the whole promotion thing.Fox has really fucked it up with this,especially if we are talking about a such overhyped and anticipated movie. I dont know if Cameron has reacted,given an official statement or broke some heads in Fox.But he should do something with Fox and how they handle the whole PR thing. Things like crashed sites,inability of geting tickets or downloading the trailer,all these cause more damage to the film than promote.and more importantly a better trailer,and better movie/production captures should have been releashed to the impatient audience/geekdom. in other words,what Fox has done until now doesnt give justice to the movie,Cameron should take control of this fuckfest and finally i hope the tomorrows preview wont be one more victim of Fox incompetence.
District 9, It Would Appear, Is The Actual Game Changer by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 01:10:23 PM
Not because the efx were mind-blowing, but because they managed to make a 37 million dollar indie-ish flick look like 200 million dollar blockbuster. THAT is going to be the challenge to beat, especially in these tough times -- making cool ass movies as cheaply as possible that still feature good efx, rather than blowing hundreds of millions of dollars on something that doesn't really look all that much better.
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:12:29 PM
Emergency bulletin from Second Life: our model makers don't know what Na'Vi cocks are supposed to look like. Can someone please get Cameron to open his concept vaults?
just noticed somethin else.... by Magic Rat	Aug 20th, 2009 01:12:47 PM
the female na'vi have four fingers and the male avatar has five. why?
Yeah floating rock like in Nagrand in WOW by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 01:13:22 PM
which is uber cool. And they are talking about a realistic alien world,not a realistic terran world FOR FUCKS SAKE
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:13:55 PM
Second Life update: we've managed to put realistic cocks on the Avatar mech suits, still no progress on the Na'vi.
Avatar and the Uncanny Valley by NOENDER	Aug 20th, 2009 01:14:20 PM
Just I said from the footage at SDCC, it’s going to be the best movie on years, BUT still not completely across the "Uncanny valley"... The most evident CGI? The mechas and the messy rotto work on the guy on the chopper (!), the most realistic? Neytiri firing the arrow or Sully screaming (as a Na'vi).... And those people saying that we are "haters" because we don't think the effects are completed realistic?....sigh... Anyways, I just "adjusted" my expectations of the movie (FX-wise) and now I’m just getting ready to enjoy the extended trailer tomorrow... and on December, watch what will surely be one of the milestones of modern cinema...
Wolves in space. by Mr Soze	Aug 20th, 2009 01:14:26 PM
Everything I' ve heard and seen says this is Dances with Wolves in space.
Xbox game? Give me whatever you guys are smoking. by KDiher	Aug 20th, 2009 01:14:40 PM
This is easily one of the best CGI I've seen ever. Don't compare that fake-ass floating fortress of D-9 with many of the shots you see here. Yeah, the Aliens look 'fake' to use. It's only logical because they don't share our freakin anatomy and your brains can't comprehend that.
codymr by 69DUDE	Aug 20th, 2009 01:15:41 PM
Gagh!! He really is the new Lucas.
I think it looks pretty good by savagedave	Aug 20th, 2009 01:15:47 PM
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Isn't the film intended to be seen in 3D though by Jaka	Aug 20th, 2009 01:15:49 PM
Because that's part of what excites me. Trying to imagine what I see in the trailer in 3D on a giant ass screen. And I still think it looks great and not at all like what several people have used as comparison. Not mind shattering or world changing, but my mind is telling me it's going to be a fun ride in the theater all the same.
My eyeballs are still virgins by MattmanReturns	Aug 20th, 2009 01:16:15 PM
The movie certainly looks pretty, and will probably be very neat in 3D, but I could say the same of Beowulf. The shots of humans in action look too plastic. I'd rather they just used real people. Some of the closeups were impressive though. I'll definitely see it, but keeping my expectations in check.
regarding the navi design... by judge dredds fresh undies	Aug 20th, 2009 01:16:32 PM
I'm not a huge fan, but the thing is they have to be relatively human looking because Worthingtons character falls in love with one of them.
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:16:33 PM
Second Life update: Avatar Day is a hit at Furtopia 2k9, but could Cameron please release some tracks from the score? We've got the Ferngully soundtrack and "Earth Song" by MJ on a loop.
This is a step forward by LeFlambeur	Aug 20th, 2009 01:16:50 PM
not a leap foward, perhaps not as graphically amazing as promised, but I can see where the money went. There are just too many people working with CGI for anyone to expect the kind of OMG reaction that this footage might have had say five or ten years ago.
Magic Rat... by 69DUDE	Aug 20th, 2009 01:16:56 PM
I think it's something to do with the female only being able to fit four fingers up her pussy, and the male needing five fingers to properly grip his cock. I can't confirm any of that though...
You gotta be a horny motherfucker to fuck a blue bitch! by blackmantis	Aug 20th, 2009 01:17:03 PM
I mean, I ain't a racist, but if the bitch is blue, there's something wrong with the pussy.
lmao by Jaka	Aug 20th, 2009 01:17:36 PM
Dances With Wolves is like, easily in my top ten favorite movies of all time. Probably near the top five. So there you go. lol
Enough of this Avatar bullshit...bring on The Wolfman!!! by Kirbymanly	Aug 20th, 2009 01:18:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vWjDc-d2DSQ&feature=player_em bedded
floating rocks by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 01:18:26 PM
are because of some crazy fluctuations in this planet's magnetic field...I read that in one of the recent articles online in the build-up to avatar day.
That was fucking awesome!!! by TheWaqman	Aug 20th, 2009 01:18:31 PM
I don't know what your guys' problems are with it. The action set-pieces look fucking epic. Definitely looks like an extremely entertaining film.
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:18:50 PM
Second Life Advisory Bulletin: Could users wearing Ferngully avatars please stay clear of the Avatar Faire grounds? I just got an e-mail from the VP of Fox Interactive Marketing about brand confusion.
@ Viewer 3 - you are so right by 5onthe5	Aug 20th, 2009 01:19:08 PM
I guess there have been advances in "background" CGI, the stuff you don't notice, scenery and environmental effects. But in terms of full-CGI creatures / characters taking part in a scene, Jurassic Park remains the 16-year-old gold standard. Gollum was also very impressive, but I wasn't impressed by the battle elephants or CGI people in LOTR.
Schindlers List 3-D? WTF by technotranceporter	Aug 20th, 2009 01:19:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =a9P_St-sOWY
I've seen more realistic flash animation by Cyan09	Aug 20th, 2009 01:19:58 PM
seriously, this is the shit Cameron has had people wanking off about for the last year? If I wanted to see a live action cartoon I'd go watch GI Joe, at least that movie didn't talk itself up as high art. The CG looks like hell, should have hired Pixar.
Floating rocks by savagedave	Aug 20th, 2009 01:21:47 PM
Think thats because of the 'Unobtanium' which is the substance that people are on the planet to mine. Used to have the script to this from years ago.
That guy said it best: by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 01:22:22 PM
a user in io9.com: I do this work professionally and have friends working at Weta on this.... the environments are stunning, the mechs and ships and the various tech is gorgeous... the characters are very good, they are creeping up the other side of the uncanny valley but not all the way out. I don't think it's the work that causes this but the design, the Na'vi are far to close to looking like humans...the Jake avatar's smile is so human that it just doesn't work, so many people are saying that the aliens in District 9 are better - but they didn't look at all like humans. the real judgement will come in the theatre in 3D with dialogue and some 'acting moments'...some great moments in the teaser - the toes, the hands...but it's the face that people will be looking at and getting their sense of the characters from...as it stands this isn't going to change anything in VFX, except perhaps the willingness of the studios to allow these kinds of characters in their films.
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:22:28 PM
Second Life James Cameron Q&A continues. User WulffShadow would like to know: "Can the Na'vi have sex with the pterodactyls/jungle cats and if so can you describe what that's like"
Apple sucks and Quicktime is malware by felwithe	Aug 20th, 2009 01:22:55 PM

and ANOTHER thing... by Ironhelix	Aug 20th, 2009 01:23:25 PM
the have spaceships, and can transplant someone's consciousness into an alien, but the guy still rolls around in an 18th century wheelchair? What the fuck is that all about?
HAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Aug 20th, 2009 01:24:22 PM
hahahahahahaahhahahahaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggghhhhhh..... Sorry, just had to come and laugh at supposed film lovers who don't recognise how fucking special this is going to be. I personally have not been this excited since the year we had Lucas, Kubrick and Malick return......FUCK ALL YOU PUNKS. THE KING IS BACK BABY!!!!!!!!
Chewbacca is one pissed-off racist. by AzulTool	Aug 20th, 2009 01:25:00 PM
Because once the blue folk moved into the neighborhood, it drove the property values way down....I mean, it's hard to really judge on a computer screen. But, I can see how this is considered the next evolutionary step in CGI. The image clarity during some of the action scenes is pretty impressive. Very easy to follow. But, the characters still have a hint of that unnatural motion. And, I don't want to hear about how they are aliens, and we have no point of reference from which to judge their movements. Like many TBers said before, it still looks a little cartoonish. You know it does. I had to watch it with the volume down because I'm at work, so I don't know if the dialogue sounds gay or not. Nice visuals, though.
Last!! by BusterRantCasey	Aug 20th, 2009 01:26:12 PM
And It's Super Gay
Anyone who's bitching at Cameron... by mefrog	Aug 20th, 2009 01:26:28 PM
...for not making something "game-changing" based on watching this teaser is a complete fucking moron. Look at the fucking detail that has gone into every shoot. Look at how fucking spectacular all the environments look. Look at those absolutely amazing looking battle sequences. Think of it all when it's in 3-D. It really is shaping up to be like something we've never seen... if the rest of this movie is like this, I'll be there three times opening weekend.
What a cesspool this place has become. Really. by LlGHTST0RMER	Aug 20th, 2009 01:27:23 PM
Once any of you people actually learn anything about this industry, then you're welcome to give your advice or opinion. You people seriously know fuck-all about anything. All you do is talk shit with no real substantial knowledge to back any of it up. Are you the basement-dwelling, X-box playing mama's boys the world says you are? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. But you'll never make anything the world will spend money to see or enjoy or grow up watching, or call their all-time favorite films. All you know how to do is talk out your ass. I'm sure there's a great future in that. Have a nice life, morons.
Did "The Core" steal the Unobtanium concept?! by blakindigo	Aug 20th, 2009 01:27:26 PM
WTF?!
To the guy who said "a better dances with wolves" by MattmanReturns	Aug 20th, 2009 01:27:34 PM
Fuck you. Dances With Wolves was perfect, and didn't have CG. Fucking kids.
And why is it... by Ironhelix	Aug 20th, 2009 01:27:41 PM
that aliens who have evolved on another planet, under the influence of a completely different ecosystem, look like night elves from World of Warcraft? Does ANYONE else sense a complete and absolute lack of ANY imagination here? Does Cameron (who has made some of my favorite movies) not realize that we have all seen this shit before? In goddamned VIDEOGAMES no less? I am totally baffled... there had better be some BIG surprises in the movie to save it from the crap that the trailer shows.
Photorealistic my ass. by Raymar	Aug 20th, 2009 01:27:52 PM
This could have been done 10 years ago.
Visuals aside, I'm tiring of the whole by skimn	Aug 20th, 2009 01:28:33 PM
Humans=bad, aliens=misunderstood species, plot concept. War Of The Worlds withstanding, Aliens was the last kick-ass "bad" alien film. I'm not counting Starship Troopers because of the whole facist angle.
2 minutes or less and my mind is closed for business ! by Keith Maniac	Aug 20th, 2009 01:28:55 PM
Every year, year in year out, we hype the fuck out of things in our own minds, with a moderate amount of encouragement from the people who make these films. Every year after a 2 minute trailer or after watching the thing as a whole, we weep like fresh operation scars in a hot bath. Because like the spoilt, over-indulged, joyless, uninspired, jaded, experts that we are, we get angry, because we know, dont we, that deep down we spend too much time focusing on this shit and all the fucking fun has gone out of it. That trailer was not the face of fucking God, but it was impressive, a lot of people's hard graft i'd imagine and if you cant find just one good thing to say about it, i just dont know what the fuck anyone could say to you, i really fucking dont. Luckily i think most people in the world arent like some of the indentured knob cheese which is encrusted to this website
Ahhhhhh good ole Unobtanium by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 01:29:14 PM
So that's why everything is going to look like its sort of floating and not really reacting to normal wind and gravity. Gotchya. We need to get that on our planet, then my life would look more photoreal.
This looks like CRAP!!! by AtheistScum	Aug 20th, 2009 01:29:24 PM
Sorry, I know the buzz, I think this movie looks like total shit. The story is stupid, the effects looks mind-boggling dumb, the "Avatars" or whatever they are called look cartoonish. The love scenes looked laughable. I know this movie will make shitloads of money, but I will not see it - it looks like total crapola to me. Plus who gives a shit about 3D - 3D ALWAYS sucks. 3D is NOT the future of film-making and Cameron is wasting huge money and blowing his whole career on this junk project.
Not Impressed by blhotz	Aug 20th, 2009 01:29:34 PM
I really hope this looks better in IMAX because so far it looks like a clone of many other CGI duds.
Do the Navi like catfood as much as Prawns? by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 01:29:45 PM
Hey, somebody had to say it...
Such Nerd-Hate Going On. You're All So Pathetic. by Crow3711	Aug 20th, 2009 01:29:53 PM
Just a bunch of losers railing against the hype by thinking they are unique and above it all by shitting on all the most popular and mainstream things going on when actually you are just being as conformist and pathetic as ever because you're just saying you think it's shit when we all know everyone is gonna at least check this out. You're all such hypocritical bastards.
For people saying the Episode III CG was better: by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 01:30:06 PM
Watch the Kashykk sequence with the Wookies and realise your mistake.
it is a PLANETARY ROMANCE by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 01:30:41 PM
JUST FUCKING GOOGLE THAT AND READ WHAT YOU FIND. James Cameron said in an interview back in 2007 that this whole thing was heavily inspired by ERB and other pulp adventure writers working in that particular sub-genre of sci-fi. That sub-genre has always had more in common with your average fantasy story than with most sci-fi stuff. "Planetary romance" is basically a "lost world" story set on another planet instead of an ancient civilization here on earth. Sci-fi has not always been cyberpunk and space opera. There was a time when these kinds of stories were the best-sellers and the most popular. If anything, this is Cameron's riff on a classic pulp sci-fi adventure story. Cinematically he might have intended it to be some sort of leap forward, but in terms of the story, he ALWAYS intended it to be a bit of a throwback/homage. http://tinyurl.com/m6ghpt and... http://tinyurl.com/nydda7
Well at least these Aliens are going to be hard to kill by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 01:31:13 PM
They can only be killed by eye-fucking. Thats much better then spyware/aids/water.
There were "bad" aliens in ID4 by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 01:31:21 PM
Though maybe you don't consider that a kick-ass film. Lots of shit blew up though!
Hollywood, stop using CGI RIGHT NOW and hire Peter Jackson to do by felwithe	Aug 20th, 2009 01:31:34 PM

Suing Cameron... by Dude_Abides	Aug 20th, 2009 01:32:03 PM
this one time like ten years ago, i was on this dr. pepper, gummi bear, and acid diet.. for medicinal reasons, anyway one day I went outside to watch the D&D kids play dress-up in the park. This looks just like that!
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:32:09 PM
Second Life Update: User Crow3711 says: "Just a bunch of losers railing against the hype by thinking they are unique and above it all by shitting on all the most popular and mainstream things going on when actually you are just being as conformist and pathetic as ever because you're just saying you think it's shit when we all know everyone is gonna at least check this out. You're all such hypocritical bastards." Special thanks to Crow3711 for solving our modeling problem, the new Na'vi cocks look perfect.
For AVATAR not to suck major ass. It NEEDS... by scriptgirl_nipples	Aug 20th, 2009 01:32:12 PM
Iggy Pop.
Avatar is not "popular" or "mainstream" by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 01:32:32 PM
Whatchu talkin bout?
I'll bet it doesn't look photo realistic by hippie_killer	Aug 20th, 2009 01:32:39 PM
on your shit-ass monitor. Time for an upgrade.
JAR JAR THE MOVIE! by hakai	Aug 20th, 2009 01:32:45 PM
JARVATARD
They are human lookalike because Sams character by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 01:33:12 PM
is going to 'fuck' the alien female Neuteri.And i am sorry,but we are not talking about hardcore scifi here,its a movie for everybody and not just for the few hardcore geeks who have grown up with serious,pure scifi books. Audience has somehow to relate with this love aspect of the movie,or do u think that the general audiene is prepared to accept a human fuckin a sponglike alien? THINK BEFORE U POST
JAR JAR THE MOVIE! by hakai	Aug 20th, 2009 01:33:37 PM
JARVATARD
FURGULLY: THE LAST AVATAR by ZZZARDOZZZ	Aug 20th, 2009 01:35:40 PM
Cameron, in a FOX Myspace Fanchat session presented by Pepsi Max, further clarified the concept of Planetary Romance: "The bows and arrows and bead jewelry and the little leather rag outfits they wear are meant to signal that the Na'vi represent non-whites."
Where are the airbenders? by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 01:35:52 PM
Wrong movie...
LlGHTST0RMER by just pillow talk	Aug 20th, 2009 01:35:59 PM
Don't leave us! We need your enlightenment on everything movie related! How dare we express any opinions on a entertainment website which ENCOURAGES opinions. Fuck us!
People who are criticising the negative reactions... by 5onthe5	Aug 20th, 2009 01:36:03 PM
When a director has ten years off between films...and at least 3 years hyping up his new project...building anticipation...saying that he's wanted to make this film FOREVER but ONLY NOW is there the VISUAL POWER to deliver his "game-changing" vision...then drops the first teaser trailer...it better kick some serious ass, or that director will look like a fool. He WANTS us to react strongly. And so we are.
Looks pretty damn cool, if you ask me! by geeko2000	Aug 20th, 2009 01:36:07 PM

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Let the HYPE BEGIN!!!!!! by Trannyformers_Apologist	Aug 20th, 2009 01:37:20 PM

Lightstormer, you'd better get back to your by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 01:37:38 PM
tram, over there are Universal Studios! You know how they hate it where their guides are late!
Nobody Is Bitching That Cameron Didn't Make A Game Changer by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 01:37:45 PM
We're calling him to task for the fact that the efx clearly haven't lived up to the hype -- hype he himself started! We're pointing out that his ego bluster was just that -- hollow posturing. I say this, thinking it definitely does looks cool, its just not what the man SHOUTED at us for a few years that it would be. It looks about on par, efx wise, with LOTR, the Star Wars prequels, King Kong, and the Matrix sequels. Which isn't to say that it looks bad, just that it doesn't live up to HIS hype. Oh and like I said, District 9 is the game changer -- making good efx on the cheap. Anyone can throw more money at a picture, but it takes serious skill to make a $37 million dollar flick look like a $200 million one. And with the economy they way it is, the cheap-but-GREAT aesthetic is going to be the new trend. Watch.
I think by Shaner Jedi	Aug 20th, 2009 01:37:45 PM
it looks great. I'll be there. Does it look "photoreal"? I don't even know what that's supposed to mean anymore. I'll be in line opening day.
This trailer is giving me lovers balls! by standundermyumbrella	Aug 20th, 2009 01:37:51 PM
and blisters on my shaft! i am completely dry!
Re: AVATAR by ArmageddonProductions	Aug 20th, 2009 01:38:03 PM
"Yeah, I read that issue of 'Heavy Metal', too." - Dr. Thaddeus Venture. Actually, I'm just kidding. I have no idea what everybody's bitching about, aside from the collective need to piss on anything because this is the Internet and they can. First of all, the CGI looks pretty goddamn impressive, like "Gollum" impressive and maybe even a little more solid than "Gollum". I'll grant you that the character design is a little goofy (I'm sure they were aiming for "friendly anthropomorphic that the audience can relate to" and wound up making compromises), but once you actually see them moving, and in the fabled "Pandora" environment, it works for me. What the hell were guys expecting? Exactly how "realistic" does it have to be?!? Would you have been happier with puppets, ala DARK CRYSTAL, or stop-motion? Truthfully, if this were twenty years earlier, you'd be lodging the same complaints at either process. I certainly didn't get the PHANTOM MENACE vibe from that trailer, I think it completely works. Fortunately, this talkback represents a very small sector of the doubtlessly huge audience that's gonna go see it this December, and the people bitching here bitching about it can stay locked in their rooms and write more fucking STAR TREK fan-fiction or whatever.
Reading all the tripe from the haters for hates sake.... by DrMorbius	Aug 20th, 2009 01:38:03 PM
You begin to realize why ANIMALS EAT THEIR YOUNG!
Simpletons Who Jerk off to District 9... by Liberty Valance	Aug 20th, 2009 01:38:27 PM
Good movie? Sure, it's a solid B/B+. But it's guilty of the most pathetic, unimaginative cop-out in sci-fi: they made every Prawn look exactly the fucking same. Jesus fuck they had to render one fucking model and dress one Prawn up in clothes so you'd know CJ is actually an important character. D9 is entertaining, sure, but there's nothing profound, insightful or visionary about it. And if you think there is, you really need to read more books and learn to think for yourself.
Good. Exciting even! Not breathtaking. by maybe banana-nut	Aug 20th, 2009 01:39:12 PM
It will be great just to see original material enter the sci-fi. I do trust cameron's storytelling and look forward to this. Blue cattle-eyed humanoids within the lighting environment of another planet are not something our eyes are not used too. Less believable than D9 aliens by far. On the level of Smeagol I would say. Is that not good enough for us anymore. New technology does not always equal realism but could mean better performance.
2009 will go down as one the great years for Science Fiction. by The_Genteel_Gentile	Aug 20th, 2009 01:40:02 PM
Tree Of Life, Avatar, District 9, Moon, Star Trek, 2012, Transformers:ROTF, Daybreakers, Gamer, Outlander, Surrogates, Pandorum, The Box, The Fouth Kind, The Time-Traveler's Wife, Knowing... Sci-Fi hasn't had this good of a year since 1997 gave us Gattica, Contact, Dark City (technically Feb.98), Starship Troopers, The Fifth Element, Men In Black, Face/Off, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Alien: Resurrection, Deep Rising, Sphere, Event Horizon, Mimic, and the original Star Wars trilogy special editions.
One last point by yiannis	Aug 20th, 2009 01:40:24 PM
... and this is something that all the naysayers should REALLY think about. I've watched that trailer this afternoon more times than I care to say. While that might make me a sad fuck, it has also made something else crystal clear. When I first watched the trailer, some of the shots - especially the two full screen close ups of Zoe Saldana's character - did jar a little with me. It didn't dilute my anticipation and I thought the effects were awe-inspiring, but I was still very conscious of looking at an effect. On an aside, I think this is what most people mean with their criticism, which is why I have such big problems with people resorting to crude insults and misplaced derision. Can't anybody express themselves properly anymore? However, I've found that the more you watch - even if it IS the same scenes over and over - the less the effects SEEM like effects, to the point that those close ups now honestly look to me completely real. This is, I think, an important lesson for the film as a whole. 20 minutes in people will probably be very conscious of the effects, but IF Cameron does his storytelling job properly (and track record suggests he will), by the end people should be so immersed in the world that effects don't matter anymore. The last card is, obviously, the 3D, but I can't comment on that yet until I see the preview tomorrow, so I won't. I imagine there will be a whole new TB created specifically anyway.
Oh... by skimn	Aug 20th, 2009 01:40:35 PM
and Independence Day..did I say "good"?
It Certainly Does Look Cool by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 01:41:14 PM
I'll be there opening weekend too.
KNOWING FUCK ALL ABOUT ANYTHING IS WHY TALKBACK OPINIONS ARE GOL by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 01:42:35 PM
The more the fuck all, the better.
Honestly it looks pretty good... by Flames gotta Eat	Aug 20th, 2009 01:43:03 PM
the teaser makes me want to see more, it intrigues me. I think the CG looks as good as possible for the tech we have today and for such a scale that this film is on. This looks King Kong/LOTR big. I've seen the trailer a few times now, in 1080p, and I've paused it during effects shots. The Na'vi look damn 3D and fully realized to me. The main characters for the most part look full bodied and not flat. The big problem still with CG and motion capture is the movement still isn't 100% natural. But what is natural for machines and creatures which don't exist? We're saying it doesn't look photo-real but we don't have photos of these things to compare that to! I'm just saying I think a lot of people are being hard on it but keep in mind these are the best CG artists in the world with the biggest budget in the world. It's as good as current tech allows. You're an idiot if you think this looks like a video-game or Star Wars. This is better realized. Quit your fucking whining and let's just hope for a good fantasy film.
THE BLASTING OF THE PLOT HOLES HAS BEGUN by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 01:43:24 PM
Say it loud CTM!!!
Sam Worthington looks fake. But those tall blue animals are amaz by gruemanlives	Aug 20th, 2009 01:43:51 PM

REDNECK SHOUTS HEIL HITLER AT ISRAELI DUDE by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 01:45:12 PM
This vid fucked my ears!!! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2009/08/18/woman-shouts-heil-h itler_n_262554.html
absolutely blown away.. by exador	Aug 20th, 2009 01:46:07 PM
boy...lotsa jaded folks here... personally, i was blown away with what i saw, and will most definitely be in line to see this in the theatre....the aliens looked 100% real to me, and like 'flames gotta eat' who posted somwhere above me, I also paused this throughout the trailer, and thought it looked fantastic. can't wait to see this....looks great..and my guess is that the story is what will make it compelling...all the effects in the world can't keep an audience in thrall if the story sucks....
JAMES CAMERON WILL BE OUTSHINED BY NEIL BLOMCAMP by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 01:46:10 PM
I gar ron tee!
ominus by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 01:46:34 PM
but that is exactly my point: a true hardcore sci-fi geek should welcome this movie. The problem is that the people on here crying about how unoriginal this is are not real sci-fi fans, or they would have a bit more historical perspective on the sci-fi genre in this country. Edgar Rice Burroughs is the grandfather of American sci-fi, and was, at one time, the best-selling author in the world. He popularized the sub-genre of sci-fi into which this film intentionally falls. Crying about stuff in this movie looking like stuff we've already seen is like crying about a new western in which everyone is wearing a cowboy hat and riding a horse: these things are called "codes" and they help to define their genre. If some of the people here would put down the Xbox 360 controller long enough to learn something about the history of cinema, or what a "genre" is and how it is defined, or what it means to have storytelling with a "universal" appeal, or who the fuck Joseph Campbell was, they might not be crying so much.
Way way overrated special effects by MontyPigeon	Aug 20th, 2009 01:47:01 PM
I thought it was going to blow me away but one part looked like Bioshock (The part with the hands). Looks like a nice enough movie but the hype was ridiculous for this.
Christmas is coming.....for us AICN talbackers!!! by JDanielP	Aug 20th, 2009 01:47:52 PM
:-)
JUST GOT THE Wii AND SPORTS RESORT by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 01:48:16 PM
The Xbox 360 is history for moi.
Liberty Valance by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 01:48:46 PM
Oh please. Do relax. You're embarrassing yourself. I liked D9, but I'm far from jerking off about it. I was actually disappointed that the social commentary didn't go further. It certainly wasn't as good as Children of Men. But thats not what I'm talking about with D9 in relation to Avatar or any other Big Deal Efx Movie. Just based on the numbers, D9 is a $37 million dollar movie that looks like a $200 million dollar one (or at least a 100-125 million dollar one). Avatar looks like a $200 million dollar movie, but probably cost about $300 million AND, its not anything we haven't already seen before. This movie will live, or die, on the strength of the story and its characters. If Cameron manages that, and he has before with Aliens and Terminator, it'll be a Classic. If not, it'll just be another efx workout that people get tired of really quickly. I really hope its the former, because it certainly looks cool, and the premise is tight. Its just not a game changer. You know it, I know it, and it appears the vast majority of people on this site know it.
I have seen the HD trailer for the 50th time by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 01:49:12 PM
and every time it gets better.especially the scene when Sams alien says 'this is great' seems so fuckin natural,so real. and then are all those little details,which add to the films realism of its characters: neuteris ears and eyes move when something takes her attention,the movement of the tribal jewels she wears and so on.magnificent stuff.
BSB, bro! by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 01:49:51 PM
What do you think of this trailer? I give it a B- for some faulty CGI, but I'm still looking forward to a sci-fi epic. What say you?
(cough, cough)...uh, er,...Christmas for talkbackers!!! by JDanielP	Aug 20th, 2009 01:50:13 PM
:-O
I mean it looks great visually by ToughGuyRizzo	Aug 20th, 2009 01:50:40 PM
But, it's like a space Disney kinda looking thing. I'm not 100% on board.
Re: The Bitching by ArmageddonProductions	Aug 20th, 2009 01:50:59 PM
I think everybody continues to forget that, the last time Cameron made a movie, it was a love story set on the Titanic that threatened to bankrupt two major studios (Fox and Paramount), held the record for the most footage shot for one movie and, if you think about it, had ultimately less-than-impressive CGI -- a movie that everyone was damn near positive was gonna make WATERWORLD and HEAVEN'S GATE (the film it was constantly being likened to until its release) look like TRANSFORMERS 2 by box-office comparison. So ... what about AVATAR looks like it's gonna suck? The CGI, which looks pretty goddamn amazing (not game-changing, but certainly in the same league or better that any other CGI-heavy film you can name in the last fifteen years)? The fact that Cameron's bringing back the Space Marines and apparently staging all the battles and capturing the "epic" scope that was barely hinted at in ALIENS? The fact that Cameron's directing a balls-out action movie again? Did you guys wish one of those blue cat chicks would just jump out of the fucking computer and have sex with you right there in your mom's spare bedroom?!? Eh, go ahead and whine some more.
here's hoping that future Avatar threads.. by just pillow talk	Aug 20th, 2009 01:51:14 PM
live up to the classic battles of yesteryear...Transformers, LOTR, Indy..etc. And now... FIGHT!
House of the Dead: Overkill - if you have a Wii, get it! by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 01:51:31 PM
If you loved Planet Terror, you'll love House of the Dead Overkill.
Looks like Star Wars: The Clone Wars tv series by DARTH VOODOO	Aug 20th, 2009 01:51:56 PM
I'm more than a little underwhelmed.
Carlthormark1978 and LaserPants by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 01:52:26 PM
regardless your blinded hate,u should realise this: Sciolism is more dangerous than ignorance.take care.
Military scifi, yet again. by Dingbatty	Aug 20th, 2009 01:52:43 PM

Dont get me wrong by rogueleader66	Aug 20th, 2009 01:52:51 PM
It looks cool as hell and I will be seeing this movie, because it is Cameron doing Sci-Fi. But I don't see anything that I would consider groundbreaking and as I sad before the CGI aliens look like CGI aliens, but perhaps that's the point and the best is being saved for when I see the actual film, which is definitely a good thing. The teaser did it's job, it has me interested.
YACKSTER - I KNOW FUCK ALL ABOUT THIS TEASER by BringingSexyBack	Aug 20th, 2009 01:53:56 PM
Because clicking on Apple's link brings the crashies to my comp. But I will say that it's pretty meh compared to D9, my retinae are not aroused and there are plotholes aplenty. That's my opinion until I see this damned teaser.
Keith Maniac by cylon_conspiracy	Aug 20th, 2009 01:54:04 PM
"You said "Because like the spoilt, over-indulged, joyless, uninspired, jaded, experts that we are, we get angry, because we know, dont we, that deep down we spend too much time focusing on this shit and all the fucking fun has gone out of it." I couldn't agree more. I think some of us are so blown away by movies when we were little that we keep that enthusiasm. Only thing is when we were kids (or at least if you were a kid pre-internet) we were forced to just be patient and wait it out. The internet and sites like AICN have turned us all into out of work movie executives who have all the knowledge, and nothing really to do WITH that knowledge. I mean, if you are not going to become a filmmaker... what is the point? In our cynical age we have taken out all the mystery and surprise of films by opening our christmas presents early just so we have something to talk about and complain about online.
GeneralJackCosmo by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 01:54:12 PM
"If some of the people here would put down the Xbox 360 controller long enough to learn something about the history of cinema, or what a "genre" is and how it is defined, or what it means to have storytelling with a "universal" appeal, or who the fuck Joseph Campbell was, they might not be crying so much." Quote of the year on here. Thank you.
I DEFY ALL OF YOU TO NOT GO TOMORROW by aceattorney	Aug 20th, 2009 01:54:36 PM
All the haters: Please stay home for tomorrow's 16 min preview. That is all.
I'm Telling You, Cheap And Cool Looking Will Be The Trend by LaserPants	Aug 20th, 2009 01:55:13 PM
When the bean counters count their beans and realize they made a larger profit from a cheaper movie, that will be the end of the Bazillion Dollar Blockbuster Tentpole. Watch. The D9 indie-ish summer flick will be the new trend.
The image on you computer and the big screen... by snakecharmer	Aug 20th, 2009 01:55:17 PM
are the same? Are you kidding me? It looks great for the compressed low res image that it is -- compared the big screen image. The movie will be fine and probably kick ass.
I swear to god you people should just stop watching movies by bullet3	Aug 20th, 2009 01:56:35 PM
This bitching is so pathetic. One of the most revered sci-fi directors of the last 30 years hands you an almost completely cg trailer with incredible effects, battle-mechs, and spaceships dogfighting with flying dragons, and you proceed to shit all over it and calling it crap. Seriously, just kill yourselves now, you'll never be happy.
yiannis by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 01:56:53 PM
Like I said before, this movie probably has a built in learning curve to get you fully immersed in the new world you will be seeing. Much like Speed Racer. I hated that movie for the first 15 minutes of it, then I finally figured it ou and my eyes got in tune to the visuals and I ended up loving it.
DioxholsterUnbound by kwisatzhaderach	Aug 20th, 2009 01:57:08 PM
Hahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahaha.
I stand by it by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 01:58:01 PM
I've watched it in HD several times now and my opinion hasn't wavered. The planet rendering looks great..the mechs look pretty tight and the creature effects are pretty solid EXCEPT for the Na'vi themselves. They simply don't live up to the rest of the rendering. BUT....it's a long time til Christmas. They're still doing post-production. One never knows...he may continue to tinker a bit (he tinkered til 2 months prior to T2's release). Some folks seem to think post-production ends months before but that's not always the case. As far as living up to the hype..of course it doesn't. How could it? The hype is a factor of the fanbase - not James himself (he's promised nothing).
Series7 exactly what Cameron by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 01:59:19 PM
said to his interview he gave here in aicn,during the comicon.i prompted the haters to read this,but god forbid,we have to hate something,do we?
It looked much better in 3D by CENOBITE	Aug 20th, 2009 01:59:45 PM
weird. I guess I will be attending the 3D version. Definitely!
After watching that, I have only one thing to say..... by TheKayakMan	Aug 20th, 2009 01:59:53 PM

Well.... by Segomo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:00:50 PM
I liked it...
aceattorney by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:01:12 PM
You don't need to DEFY me, the two IMAX theaters in my state already have. They booked A Christmas Carol for this holiday season. I want to see how IMAX even stays afloat, when half of them only show those fucking discovery channel docs and Fly Me To The Moon?
.....my eyballs are still virgins!! by TheKayakMan	Aug 20th, 2009 02:01:19 PM

Sam "hot stuff" Worthingtom by charabicharabia	Aug 20th, 2009 02:01:32 PM
The music sounds a lot like John Murphy's 28 weeks later...Check out track 3 Helicpoter Chase Maybe an arrangement? As for the trailer....when Sam Worthington smiled, the butter on my toast just magically melted.... I swear ! I swear !!!!!
Damn it - It looks like Australia with lasers by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:01:41 PM
Getting a weird feeling about this movie.
Unimpressed by FarSky	Aug 20th, 2009 02:01:41 PM
Huh...I saw both trailers for AVATAR and THE WOLF MAN today, and strangely, my expectations for each were reverse. I was wholly unimpressed by the AVATAR teaser (which makes me sad, because I was really hoping the Jim Cameron of ALIENS, TERMINATOR 2, and TRUE LIES was back), whereas the WOLF MAN trailer looked awesome (and I hate hate hate hate hate Joe Johnston's work...well, everything except THE ROCKETEER, which was boss).
I heard the ice planet monsters from Star Trek cameo by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 02:01:54 PM
In this. They'll fit right in with the one that roars before attacking, as they did the same thing in Star Trek.
The other guy watched for the first time,the trailer by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 02:02:10 PM
in his mobile,and his reaction was that he wasnt impressed with the films cgi.JESUS.
I meant worthington ....oops by charabicharabia	Aug 20th, 2009 02:02:13 PM

Fuck you guys...bunch of morons. by TheWaqman	Aug 20th, 2009 02:03:21 PM
It's depressing how much you guys hate everything. I think if you're hyped for a film you should avoid it's TalkBacks. Shit like this tends to happen way too often.
I can't believe nobody has said it yet: MAN-CATS!!!!! by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 02:04:17 PM
Fucking MAN-CATS: The Movie!!! BSB, I hope you see the trailer eventually! But on a serious note, even as someone who does not like James Cameron's body of work, I think comparing AVATAR to D-9 is a little unfair. They are arguably different sub-genres of sci-fi. AVATAR looks like your space-opera/gothic tale whereas D-9 was a mockumentary/personalized story. I think FX-wise, WETA's work on D-9 rivals anything ILM has put out yet. I was not a fan of WETA's LOTR work (save for Gollum), but here they've taken charge. As for AVATAR... it will be DANCES WITH MAN-CATS. I'll still check it out.
ominus by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:04:22 PM
Was there a Jimmy C interview posted on AICN from Comic Con? I must have missed it.
You can give him the Oscar by ZoeFan	Aug 20th, 2009 02:04:30 PM
For Sound and SFX.
I can't wait to see the exended foortagte tomorrow, though by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:05:14 PM
at least I didn't pay anything for it.
District 9 was great BUT.... by TheWaqman	Aug 20th, 2009 02:05:30 PM
do we really want all of our epic sci-fi/fantasy/action films to be cheap? District 9 looked cool, but really I could tell how cheap it was in some cases. This film LOOKS expensive. The fucking plane hitting sonic boom as it enters Pandora, the mechs, the vehicles, the sets. I don't want this shit to go away just because Neil Blomkamp made a successful film. Can't they co-exist. If this is the era of cheap action films. Then fuck it.
Yes there was. by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 02:06:05 PM

TheWaqman by just pillow talk	Aug 20th, 2009 02:06:06 PM
Do you need a blue cat hug? Talkbacks got ya down?
kwis-- by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 02:06:53 PM
i cant stop watching it... granted im not hyped about it yet...that will be tomorrow...but why the fuck are people hating on it? people are wanting this to fail like nobodys business. and thats pathetic..
Looks fucking amazing by Flying Spaghetti Monster	Aug 20th, 2009 02:07:19 PM
I don't understand the hate
And the setpieces in this film are like my fucking dreams!!! by TheWaqman	Aug 20th, 2009 02:08:45 PM
Cool alien-Dragons vs. Giant space-choppers. Rhinos vs. Mechs etc. How are you guys not excited for this? It looks like it will be so much fun.
This talkback is full of fail. by Segomo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:08:46 PM
Grow up kids, the CG is fine.
Looks like a really good time at the movies. Looking forward. by Se7en	Aug 20th, 2009 02:08:49 PM
not complaining at all.
Just to confirm my last post about the music!!! by charabicharabia	Aug 20th, 2009 02:09:48 PM
If you like the music ..... go buy 28 weeks later!!! It IS the same track towards the end as it pick up the pace.
LASERPANTS by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 02:10:12 PM
show me where cams said its a game changer..if anyone said that--it was rothman...from fox..hoping to get his investment back.. we'll see tomorrow..i enjoyed and am impressed about what i saw..but this film for all intents and purposes isnt meant to be seen on a computer monitor...
Avatar. Fucking aicn haters since 2006 by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 02:10:45 PM

HAHAHAHA... WOW, I have to agree SG: Universe DOES look better t by blhotz	Aug 20th, 2009 02:11:03 PM
Again, perhaps it will look 4x better in Imax. How pathetic would it be if a TV show looks better than Avatar.
How long is the final movie? by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:11:44 PM
Anyone know? Are we talking Funny People long? Are just 2 hours?
re: Fucking MAN-CATS: THE MOVIE!!! by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 02:11:45 PM
Hahahaaaaaa, shit! Maybe it's because I only got 2 hours of sleep last night, but seeing that shit typed out on my screen made me lose it. Glad I didn't have a mouthful of soda.
The assholes that complain about this trailer... by Imagikafan	Aug 20th, 2009 02:12:36 PM
should just stop watching movies. This is definitely Scrooge central.
ominus by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:12:43 PM
Is that the name of the article with the James Cameron interview I asked you about?
And you guys are morons for bashing the "haters" by blhotz	Aug 20th, 2009 02:12:43 PM
We KNOW what we see and it sure seems like A LOT of us are disappointed... again, sure hope it looks better in IMAX!!!
NABOO - IN 3D!!!! by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:12:53 PM

Smurfs meets Thundercats? by landosystem	Aug 20th, 2009 02:12:58 PM
Looked to me like a cutscene from Starcraft 2.
Direct download link for 1080p by dapaschad	Aug 20th, 2009 02:13:18 PM
http://www.mininova.org/tor/ 2869666
thunder...Thunder...THUNDERCATS !! by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 02:13:30 PM
Neat! They made Lion-O blue...I wonder if he'll snarl, yell and leap through the forest canopy.
The CG on the Stargate series has been good for years by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 02:13:47 PM
It's true.
Epic fail!! by genrefanboy	Aug 20th, 2009 02:16:22 PM
Cameron had the biggest hit of all time with Titanic. Now he gets the distinction of having the biggest flop!!!! $350M and this is all they can come up with. Cameron should have done T3 + T4 instead this looks utterly terrible CGI for such a big budget movie (which depends on it). 3D will be a gimmick as most people do not want to wear glasses for 2.5 hours.
laserpants... by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 02:16:25 PM
every new movie that makes money outside of the set formula is a "game changer"...the hangover threw everyone for a loop...expect to see more of these type films...same goes for "smart adult comedies"--hence the apatow films...yes, D9 is the latest example...hollywood has no more originality left, they just scamper at the latest thing making money..
No Cameron has never said that its a game changer by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 02:16:45 PM
He is very modest about avatar.read his aicn interview and u will understand thats the last man in the world to hype this movie.jesus.
LOOKS. FUCKING. DUMB. by gnarwhal_evan	Aug 20th, 2009 02:16:46 PM
Wow, this is what's being hyped up so much? How disappointing.
All that technology, and the guy uses a wheelchair?! by camerontx	Aug 20th, 2009 02:16:55 PM
You'd think the wheelchair would be automated or something like everything else in that movie...
CarlThorMark1978 by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:17:06 PM
Well, your idea of sci-fi is pretty narrow, and it's a pretty big genre.
Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 02:17:25 PM
Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien Y tu Mumm-Ra tambien
It did what is was supposed to do.. by skimn	Aug 20th, 2009 02:18:22 PM
after months and months of anticipation, and the occasional inconsequential photo, it did tease me into wanting to see the movie. Despite what some others think, it has made me truly curious...
HALO : THUNDERCATS IN 3D by MontyPigeon	Aug 20th, 2009 02:19:25 PM
Thundercats Hoooooooooooo! Snarf!
no such thing as photorealism by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 02:19:28 PM
if you go into the theater thinking its fake..nothing will change that...so let it go...sit back and enjoy the ride...oh yeah, and admit that it looked good..
Joseph Campbell's perspective is overrated. by Dingbatty	Aug 20th, 2009 02:19:39 PM
He is the reason why you can't find anything other than useless Campbellian/Jungian psychobabble, self-help pulp in the Mythology/Folklore section of any bookstore (save Half Price, Powells, Strand, etc. or a better library, which you have to be lucky enough to live near). These books crowd out anything with the original obscure legends, folktales, myths that they reference.
I love it. by Psyclops	Aug 20th, 2009 02:19:47 PM
The CGI characters do look a bit cartoony and that threw me off at first, especially after all the hype about these effects being "photo-real" and all that, but looking at the trailer again I'm actually really impressed by the motion capture technology and the expressiveness of these digital characters. They look better than anything that's out there right now, more "alive" than even the characters in BEOWULF or other CGI films, so even if it isn't groundbreaking it is certainly as far as the technology has ever been pushed at this point. What will make or break this movie will be the story and the characters, which if handled correctly can outshine even the best special effects. They've got a terrific cast lined up, let's see if Cameron can work his magic with the script. I'm definitely excited and I'm certainly looking forward to seeing this in the biggest theater possible this December.
I'm impressed by la_sith	Aug 20th, 2009 02:20:33 PM
I'm not sure what people were expecting. Watched it several times, and you can see the story unfold without using words. That is impressive.
Box Office BOMB by strider_is_hot	Aug 20th, 2009 02:21:23 PM
As a sci-fi fan, I will love this film. But it's going to blow chunks at the box office. There is no fuckin' way the masses are gonna go for this.*******Which doesn't really matter in the long run, but it really bugs me that Cameron's been saying this movie is going to set box office records and change the way cinema is made. Um, no. Mr. Joe Sixpack is gonna laugh like a hyena when he sees this trailer.
ThePilgrim by erichaislar	Aug 20th, 2009 02:21:31 PM
you do not animate hair dude it is driven by a physics engine.
Looks impressive by Rocky_Horror	Aug 20th, 2009 02:21:37 PM
Well, the problem as we all noticed is Cameron and his big mouth. Nothing else. The CGI look great and the cartoony aspect lies more with the design and the saturated colors of the aliens and the strange world. I am more disappointed by the story that looks like a space "Dances with Wolves" than the look of the movie.
Six Demon Bag by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:21:48 PM
How did The Hangover throw everyone for a loop? It was Old School 2, just with Zach Galifinakis instead of Will Ferrel, everyone else was the same (or interchangable).
Eh, I don't really care by Bagheera	Aug 20th, 2009 02:22:46 PM
but the thing that I think is really funny is that Zemeckis has been trying for years to do the super-realism thing and he's made like a billion movies full of dead-eyed freaky people, and Cameron's cg people actually look great first time around
CarlThorMark1978 by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:23:58 PM
Ever hear of Alfie Bester and THE STARS MY DESTINATION? It is basically a revamp of THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO...your classic revenge story, which we've seen how many times? It is also widely considered to be the greatest sci-fi novel ever written. Not to mention the fact that Phillip K. Dick, a favorite of mine as well, was very open about the fact that his work and its themes were very heavily influenced by the work of Carl Jung. Nothing is original, man...every story has already been told...it's all just looking at familiar shit from new angles.
didnt Lucas do this already? by theycallmemrtibbs	Aug 20th, 2009 02:24:20 PM

I dub this DANCES WITH MAN-CATS: DELGO V. FERN GULLY by YackBacker	Aug 20th, 2009 02:24:34 PM
But seriously, I'll be there opening night, and so will you.
Series7 here is the link for Camerons interview by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 02:24:41 PM
http://tinyurl.com/kslbwt
3D by Megamonki	Aug 20th, 2009 02:25:24 PM
Anyone forget that the man draw is its going to be 3D I think thats what he meant by "game changing"
Psyclops??? by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:25:31 PM
They've got a terrific cast lined up? Lighning boy? Christian Bale lite? The dude from Hottie and the Nottie? Resident Evil girl working off some community service? Sigorny Weaver, does anything these days? Ummmmm who's terrific? Not even Bill Paxton wanted to do a cameo in this.
The outstanding idiocy in these by comedian_x	Aug 20th, 2009 02:25:41 PM
talkbacks never ceases to amaze me. I lived to see you people call the Dark Knight, Spider-Man 2, Terry Gilliam, and now James Cameron overrated. All this while saying Transformers 2 is "just a popcorn movie" so its transgressions don't matter, yet you see 1 second of a "man-cat" and call the movie shit. District 9 seems to be all the rage now, but, I guarantee that Neil Blomkamp will be derided as well. Fuck it.
Fuck, Optimus Prime looked coolor than Man Cat by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:27:34 PM

No, ta. by ste1bro	Aug 20th, 2009 02:27:53 PM
Looks like one of those Xbox 360 games that end up in the 'Two for £20' bit in Gamestation. And my eyeballs remain unfucked, by the way.
ominus by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:28:57 PM
A thank you.
Dingbatty by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:29:08 PM
First of all, you can't find obscure stuff in bookstores because bookstores stock what sells and what is popular. They are in business to make money. Second, I never said that Campbell was any kind of self-help guru, but I think you would be hard-pressed to refute most of the things he has to say about the monomyth.
Looks.... weird. by thebearovingian	Aug 20th, 2009 02:29:15 PM
Not at all what I expected. Too jungle-y. Too Shark Tale/ Nemo/ Ice Age-y. The MoonCats don't seem to look much like the teaser poster (too light blue. I don't know, man...
We are calling the VISUALS SHIT (overrated) - GET A CLUE by blhotz	Aug 20th, 2009 02:29:50 PM
WE KNOW WHAT WE SEE. OMG, how the hell can you argue w/ someones opinion of the visuals????? AGAIN, let's hope IMAX bumps up the visuals 5-fold.
This looks strangely familiar..... by closeencounter	Aug 20th, 2009 02:30:02 PM
Where are Yoda and the Wookies fighting the Stormtroopers? OOoops, wrong movie!!
Looks very much like Star wars by Kraaken	Aug 20th, 2009 02:30:08 PM
Same sort of busy CGI scenes, with similar CGI monsters. This is not all bad, but I would have loved to see it be darker, scarier. Still, it is destined to be a smash.
Thank you haters... by drompter	Aug 20th, 2009 02:30:57 PM
You lowered my expectations with all your incessant bitching about the CGI, and now that I watched it I think this looks excellent. You can go suck your own cocks.
WTF??? by closeencounter	Aug 20th, 2009 02:31:12 PM
CANT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uhoh.... by closeencounter	Aug 20th, 2009 02:31:40 PM
there it is!
They can never get the CGI eyes to look right by _V_	Aug 20th, 2009 02:31:55 PM

series7 by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 02:32:55 PM
it wasnt supposed to make the kind of $$ it did though...there really wasnt any "hype" about the film...
Ignore the hype by Segomo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:34:02 PM
Here we have a movie with the best CGI to date, and people bash it for not looking "real." Of course it won't look real, it isn't.
um... by smorgasbord	Aug 20th, 2009 02:34:02 PM
am I the only one who doesn't understand all the Cameron worship? I'm not saying he's a bad film maker, but he's nothing special. Just a load of fancy effects that look dated within two years.
It looked so cool until the ZULU CAT people came in by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:34:24 PM
Ugh. But everything else looked Damn cool. Is Michael Ironside in this?
carl thor by Six Demon Bag	Aug 20th, 2009 02:35:11 PM
to be fair...about KONG costing the same as the ENTIRE RINGS TRILOGY--to be fair..kong was a little longer..heehee
Hmmm.... by Bootskin	Aug 20th, 2009 02:35:21 PM
I expected better after all of Cameron's "Molyneux-ish" hyperbole about this incredibly expensive project. I know I'll still go see it, and be entertained (I hope), but I hope that this ends up being "game changing" as promised. Unfortunately, right now it looks like I'll be watching Thundercats by way of the Matrix inspired by Halo and Aliens. Not thrilled.
Re: ominus by Viewer 3	Aug 20th, 2009 02:36:57 PM
Whoever you got that quote from is a fucking idiot who is clearly lying his/her ass off. No one who "does this stuff professionally" thinks the things in this trailer look impressive; I've done CG most of my adult life and I could easily tell how awful this was, and everyone I've talked to who has been in the field for a while agrees entirely. So no, that person didn't "say it best"; if they've truly "done this stuff professionally" then I'd like to know what intellectually bankrupt company was actually stupid enough to hire such a braindead moron.
I know Cameron said... by Dan Halen	Aug 20th, 2009 02:36:59 PM
in an interview a year or more ago that he was going to be the first to have cgi characters and human actors indistinguishable. I don't have a link to the interview but I'm very sure he said it. HE HAS FAILED. Still can be a great movie especially once you add the 3D and Imax elements in but... this is underwhelming.
You figured out the movie is color saturated... by Bedhead7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:37:13 PM
kids movies are color saturated. You hate kids movies. You hate Avatar. Phantom Menace was color saturated. You hate Phantom Menace, you hate Avatar. Congradulations on being the painfully average predicable genX emo angst ridden person you are.
Apple Sucks! by Tirnaog	Aug 20th, 2009 02:37:18 PM
Why is it the only system that never works right on my systems.! :(
Six Demon Bag by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:38:32 PM
Yeah but there wasn't much hype about Old School either. It didn't make as much dough, but sequels always do better. Just looked The Hangover made a SHIT TON more dough then Old School.
This article gives me hope! by maybe banana-nut	Aug 20th, 2009 02:38:49 PM
http://tinyurl.com/l8vb66
Ahem... by rutgersjaffo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:39:45 PM
Avatar = Butt mud
This looks....awesome! by pdennett316	Aug 20th, 2009 02:39:57 PM
That is a very impressive trailer, the CG is the best I've seen...period. I saw someone say it's on par with LOTR and the Matrix Trilogy???? I suggest you get your fucking eyes tested my friend, the images here are far beyond what has come before. Don't get me wrong, I'm still very aware that what I'm looking at is CG, but it's definitely a step above everything else out there. Eyeballs fucked?? Nah, just a bit of friction burn from some dry humping. But to all those writing off a movie based on a trailer....when did you lose your love of film you dead souled cunts?
I was wondering how long... by Margot_Tenenbaum	Aug 20th, 2009 02:39:59 PM
...it would take for the "kids movie" excuse to come out again. This IS Phantom Menace all over again.
I was wondering how long... by Margot_Tenenbaum	Aug 20th, 2009 02:40:13 PM
...it would take for the "kids movie" excuse to come out. This IS Phantom Menace all over again.
Makes Phantom Menace look good by Samuel Fulmer	Aug 20th, 2009 02:40:29 PM
in retrospect. At least Jar Jar didn't look like a lame cat man. "Now this is pod racing!!!!"
Knocked Up Cost $30 million to make? by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:41:08 PM
God and I thought they wasted money with Avatar.
Viewer 3: I agree. by Playkins	Aug 20th, 2009 02:41:15 PM
After all the hoopla about how amazing this movie is supposed to look, I don't see anything I haven't seen already in the SW Prequels. Not saying it doesn't look interesting, but not absolutely mind-blowing.
Looks fun by its what i expected .... nothing special. by kingoflight	Aug 20th, 2009 02:42:27 PM

So... by rutgersjaffo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:42:34 PM
They did District 9 for $30 mil, but this shitfest ran like eleventy gajillion dollars? Booooo...
Mission to Mars was better than The Abyss by Samuel Fulmer	Aug 20th, 2009 02:42:56 PM
You know I'm right.
Somwhere George Lucas is reading this and laughing his ass by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:42:58 PM
off. ROTS looked better than this.
amendment: by Playkins	Aug 20th, 2009 02:43:10 PM
I should qualify that last remark: I think that the studios are the ones creating the disappointment these days. So many marketing departments are so eager to tell us that the film they're shilling will change our lives, how can we NOT be disappointed?
Very "Apocalypse Now" In Look by Media Messiah	Aug 20th, 2009 02:43:15 PM
The film looks very impressive, albeit, they still haven't managed to create a real looking CGI puppet. The race of aliens still look very CGI/video gamie??? We were promised something more realistic looking.
Looks Bad Ass!!! by Wrecks	Aug 20th, 2009 02:43:16 PM
Fuck yes it does.
Agreed with comedian_x.... by TheWaqman	Aug 20th, 2009 02:43:27 PM
TBers are retarded. People bash TDK to hell here. So whatever, the opinions are fairly laughable here. You'll all see this in theatres. And then bash it even if you liked it just so you don't conflict with your hateful opinion you've developed over the past few months. Believe me I used to do it too.
totally not interesting... by Chadley BeBay	Aug 20th, 2009 02:43:41 PM
...at fucking all. I guess I just can't enjoy movies anymore. If this is supposed to look cool, then I am happy to be uncool.
Viewer 3 dont tell me that u too have done by ominus	Aug 20th, 2009 02:44:03 PM
seminars in Amiga graphics....
ROTS looked better? by TheWaqman	Aug 20th, 2009 02:44:21 PM
Oh wait, lockesbrokenleg said it. Never mind, move along people.
lockesbrokenleg by charabicharabia	Aug 20th, 2009 02:45:00 PM
Michael Ironside SHOULD be in this !!!!!!!! "All right. SPREAD OUT! Fire Teams, you see a bug hole, NUKE IT! "
Michael Ironside MUST be in every cool sci fi miltary movie by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:45:43 PM
make it so!
ROTS had people surfing on lava. by Margot_Tenenbaum	Aug 20th, 2009 02:46:21 PM
Let's not get carried away, lockesbrokenleg.
ATTENTION CYNICAL FUCKS... by seniorspeilbergio	Aug 20th, 2009 02:47:05 PM
what the fuck trailer did you just watch, because that one looked incredible! If you want to hate the movie for hates' sake go right ahead. You people give star trek and transformers a pass but not this? Get some fucking perspective! A real master hands you a brand new adventure that's not based on a comic book, video game, cartoon or toy and not a remake (which is your biggest gripe toward Hollywood)and instead of being excited you're going to slap Jim in the face? Well, you're fucking welcome. Do you people even like film anymore? Good God. You get what you ask for and whine louder than ever. You guys remind me of a gold digging, trophy wife who has everything she ever wanted served up to her on a silver platter and then says "Meh. I expected more out of life." You know what? When December rolls around, just stay the fuck home. I don't what you bitter, jaded assholes sitting next to me in the theater. Just stay home and play Worl of Warcraft or something. Neither Jim or I need you there.
Glad they didn't show too much by spectrebeeyatch	Aug 20th, 2009 02:48:33 PM
Most of you are bitching about being underwhelmed blah blah... Oh you're such a rebel for not liking a small trailer for a big movie. Shut up. I like that they didn't show a lot and I hope they keep that up and save it for the movie. Also I think D9 will help this movie. Smart sci-fi doing well will actually help Avatar when it comes out. Oh btw this looks great you fan-boys need to get laid and wake up. This is a movie for us! Not like TF2 which was for racist pre-frat boys, this movie will rock for us.
TDK bashers by Samuel Fulmer	Aug 20th, 2009 02:49:04 PM
I think most of them don't think it's a bad film, but they are out there to counter balance the freaks that think it's perfect (which there are a lot of those people out there) with facts: Such as the last act of the film is a mess that drags on forever, Maggie Gylenhal was even worse than Katie Holmes, Heath Ledger gave a good performance playing Johnny Depp, and the bat voice is beyond goofy.
Answer: DioxholsterUnbound & lockesbrokenleg by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 20th, 2009 02:51:50 PM
Question: What do you get when you cross a STARGATE whore and a Talkback Twittering bore?
The only problems I had with TDK were.... by TheWaqman	Aug 20th, 2009 02:52:37 PM
Bale's shit performance (can't help that now he's stuck with the Bat voice) and Nolan's shit quick editing. His editing is really awful, his one big flaw. I don't think TDK is perfect, but it's certainly the highest a comic book movie has gotten. And Heath Ledger was a bit like Depp, but also he had some McDowell in him too.
still cant see it by mutombo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:53:30 PM
do i need the latest quicktime version or what? I keep getting questionmarked.
Unlike KONG... by Redmond	Aug 20th, 2009 02:53:34 PM
I doubt there will be any lame scenes where the 10 foot avatar ice skates with his true love. You know, because 3 ton gorillas would never break the ice on a frozen lake while ice skating. Ice skating monkeys? Really, Peter Jackson?
strider_is_hot is probably right... BOX OFFICE BOMB by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 02:53:56 PM
"Mr. Joe Sixpack is gonna laugh like a hyena when he sees this trailer." I agree... you think us talkbackers are being mean to this movie? Joe Sixpack dumbass is going to have a gut-busting shitfit laughing at the man-cats in ths movie. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see this making back the fuckton of money it cost to make. Even if they shout-out Titanic in the trailers...
NO BILL PAXTON by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:54:00 PM
I'm not there.
The Only Computer That Can Deliver Life Like Images by Media Messiah	Aug 20th, 2009 02:54:16 PM
The military supposedly has a top secret computer that can render realistic looking organic images, including CGI, that can make something human, or humanoid, appear real to the eye and human brain. James Cameron should have asked the military if WETA could use that computer for rendering the images of the aliens--not that the military would say yes, but, who knows, it wouldn't be as if they were asking them to render photo-realistic images of humans, thus, it would not break above top secret protocols in respect to guarding closely held military secrets--regarding the full capabilities of that computer system!
Meh by Phategod2	Aug 20th, 2009 02:54:24 PM
This looks as "game changing" as Beowulf did. I liked Beowulf but I don't see anything revolutionary about this maybe Mr. Cameron should do more then 1 movie every 10 years.
Amazing. You know it .. by time. by Furan	Aug 20th, 2009 02:54:32 PM

Mr. Nice Gaius - a DOUCHE THAT HAS NO LIFE by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 02:54:55 PM
Give him a mod title, Harry.
i just jizzed by Killsomethin	Aug 20th, 2009 02:55:43 PM
OMFG wow!!! what could be said about this Film wow again.
TDK Sucked by Media Messiah	Aug 20th, 2009 02:55:54 PM
Stop defending a mess of a movie.
Spielbergio...a thought by BASEMENT_CHEETOH_EATER	Aug 20th, 2009 02:56:10 PM
None of us know if this movie will suck, obviously. No one (including the fanboiz dripping baby butter all over every second of this trailer) has a fuck-all clue whether this will be good/bad or even commercially successful given the significant cost of the film. But, people look at Cameron's quotes about 'seamless integration of CGI and actors' and they see a few rough patches in the CURRENT iteration (understanding that the movie is still in post-production). And others are picking on inconsistencies - some of which are nitpickey...others flat out correct (everything in the future can fly but his wheelchair requires manual rolling of the wheels...as if it were made in 1962). Even now, manual wheelchairs are becoming obsolete. So this seems a tad sloppy and forced. But again...this may or may not be successful....I have no idea. But I do know that the hype will likely be toned down a bit now that this trailer is out.
Super Mario Bros. with Bob Hoskins by Samuel Fulmer	Aug 20th, 2009 02:57:06 PM
now that was "game changing!" I still wonder if I really saw Dennis Hopper in that as Bowser, if I was having a waking dream.
Just stay home and play Worl of Warcraft by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:57:11 PM
Yeah at least then I don't have to go to a theater and watch someone else do it, after I've paid $12 to see it. And I can do it in the nude.
TDK's last act is a mess? by MattmanReturns	Aug 20th, 2009 02:57:18 PM
I thought it's last act was brilliant. The ferry scene was very intense (first time I saw it, I was sure those people were going to blow themselves up), the fight in the skyscraper was cool, the final conversation between the Joker and Batman was great, and the whole scene with Harvey and Gordon was suspenseful. And Batman taking on the role of the villain... unexpected and poignant. I'm not saying it's a perfect movie (BALE'S VOICE), but it's pretty damn close.
The Real Deal by Koyaanisqatsi	Aug 20th, 2009 02:57:31 PM
For those complaining about photoreality: Lighten up people. No CGI characters have EVER looked totally photoreal and they never will. Gollum works for no other reason than Serkis' performance . Yes there are immensely talented animators behind him too, but I dare anyone to tell me (seriously) that Gollum looks photoreal. He doesn't, plain and simple. I've seen a lot of CGI humanoid aliens in movies over the years and these avatars certainly look more photorealistic than anything else I've ever seen (the District 9 aliens are not humanoids and thus much much easier to pull off). Besides weren't people saying the same kinds of things about Aliens and the Terminator films before they came out? Then BAM they blew all our minds and people just conveniently forgot about what assholes they were being beforehand. So shut up and stop regurgitating the same "Oh I'm so disappointed, James Cameron has let all of us down" bullshit and development your own opinions. That shit looks great and you all know it.
...this is what everyone is excited for? by Spice-Orange	Aug 20th, 2009 02:58:14 PM
I mean, yeah, looks fun. but its not all the impressive. it looks like star wars or something that Dreamworks could cook up. A bit let down from all the talk of people weeping in their seats about how amazing the pre-sneak pre-preview thing was a couple months back. This looks like a cartoon. I guess this trailer is holding some things back, but so far its nothing special... yet. maybe in 3D is great? the only thing that impressed me was the robot suit stuff. is that real or CGI? the guy in the cockpit looked pretty real. i liked that. all the blue people things was a bit... underwhelming. I'll still see it. looks fun. but i've officially downgraded this from "HOLLYWOOD CHANING AND WORLD ALTERING" to "MUST SEE".
Media Messiah, you hate everything by MattmanReturns	Aug 20th, 2009 02:58:22 PM
so your opinion means dick.
Has the Dr. Manhattan by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 02:58:24 PM
Cameo been confirmed?
Addendum by Koyaanisqatsi	Aug 20th, 2009 02:58:49 PM
To the people who are saying Stargate Universe has better CGI: Really? Seriously? For real? I didn't think the world was that full of morons.
for the haters who hate the haters by mutombo	Aug 20th, 2009 02:59:10 PM
since when has an anonymous internet talkback site been a placed for wel placed, nuanced arguments? It's all about the extreming the extremes in the hope to get quoted in someones signature.
The Abyss Directors Cut by erichaislar	Aug 20th, 2009 02:59:16 PM
Is a great film. One of my fav. Hell I still think The Abyss is one of the most ambitious films ever made. More ambitious then this.
seniorspeilbergio: by Playkins	Aug 20th, 2009 02:59:23 PM
Actually, I recall most people around here thrashing both Star Trek and Transformers. In my mind thoughtful criticism is more valid that "blahblahSUCKSblahblahSHIT", so I understand your frustration. However, lets not forget that this is a discussion board and not an ass-patting board. So what, there are people that like to gripe about movies? What else is new? I guarantee that probably 99% of the people complaining (including me) will still see it. If you don't ask for better, you'll never get it.
LOL. Gotta love lockesbrokenleg. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Aug 20th, 2009 02:59:26 PM
He's so...easy.
looks great but waaay to obviously CGi'd by bongo123	Aug 20th, 2009 02:59:45 PM
hmmm, ill wait to see the flick in 3D but does look like a cool video game intro and the navi look a bit pants tbh
Media Messiah liked GI JOE. by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 03:00:25 PM
Fuck him.
meow by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 03:01:10 PM
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Bill Paxton from Weird Science by charabicharabia	Aug 20th, 2009 03:01:37 PM
Or Bill Paxton from Aliens? I maybe a mix of the 2? "maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but we just got our asses kicked, buttwad !!!" :-)
hahahahhahahahhahahha by Rickey Henderson	Aug 20th, 2009 03:01:45 PM
It looks underwhelming
cuz, you know it's coming by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 03:02:15 PM
Avatar teaser youtube video that cuts to the meow mix commercial music as soon as the Navi show up.
I'll say this, the CG effects are way better than Delgo! by Orionsangels	Aug 20th, 2009 03:02:28 PM
While it still looks CG. It has this impressive quality to it, like it's above normal CG graphics. This movie looks expensive! I wanna see this!
AVATAR + IMAX 3D + MUSHROOMS = by krull rules	Aug 20th, 2009 03:02:28 PM
absolutely fucking incredible -- this is light years ahead of STAR WARS -- the best CGI i have ever seen in my life -- very impressive -- now, the story -- if it's ALIENS, we're in for something really special -- if it's TITANIC, then we're fucked, still this will be the 3D movie event of our lifetimes -- until, BATTLE ANGLE and THE HOBBIT...
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK? by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 03:02:33 PM
The movie is coming out on DVD before it hits theaters? http://tinyurl.com/njnj7o
you can see Dr Manhattans wang at 2:09 by kingoflight	Aug 20th, 2009 03:03:08 PM

You want to know what's wrong with the CG, watch this... by Mr. Waturi	Aug 20th, 2009 03:03:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0zLPM8FLMtk It's the trailer for "The New World" which came out a couple of years ago. Similar subject matter and visuals. It will show you how far CG has yet to go before looking real.
Series 7 by YOUKILIS20	Aug 20th, 2009 03:03:59 PM
I spit out my soda at the Delgo reference. Bravo.
It maybe CG, but it's the most ambitious CG i've seen yet! by Orionsangels	Aug 20th, 2009 03:04:22 PM

CATS - IN 3D - COMING THIS CHRISTMAS!! by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 03:04:57 PM

Was there any dial on the teaser? by charabicharabia	Aug 20th, 2009 03:05:19 PM
The only line I heard was "this is great" Perhaps a subliminal message? A VERY CLEAR SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE !!!
CarlThorMark1978 by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 03:05:26 PM
Well, I love Demolished Man, too, but we'll have to agree to disagree on it being better than Stars. And you're really kind of missing my point: everything draws inspiration from something as nothing is created in a vacuum. The degree to which it draws on its sources is of course up to the creator, and whether or not he/she wants to set his/her story firmly within the confines of a genre or push the boundaries of said genre in a new direction. Planetary romance is every bit as viable a sub-genre of sci-fi as the mind-bending, psychedelic, psychological sub-genre in which you could classify Dick or some of Bester's stuff among many others. The Man in the High Castle is sci-fi, just like A Princess of Mars is sci-fi, just like Fahrenheit 451 is sci-fi, just like The Road is sci-fi. All of those might not be your cup of tea, brother, but they are all sci-fi. And so is Avatar.
actually, go here... by Mr. Waturi	Aug 20th, 2009 03:05:44 PM
http://www.apple.com/trailers/ newline/the_new_world/
anyone else think NEYRETI is super hot??? by standundermyumbrella	Aug 20th, 2009 03:06:28 PM
holy wow. she is DAMN foxy. i'd bang her 100 times in a row. she'd be blacker and bluer than ever when i'm done with her. i'd eat that blue vagina like a cotton candy competition. she'd be spittin out avatar babies on a daily basis!! OH YEAH! i love that beautiful blue bitch!! i LOVE HER!!!!
"the best CGI I have ever seen" by HoboCode	Aug 20th, 2009 03:07:11 PM
Some people better lay off the mushrooms. Unless you haven't watched a film in the last five years this is not remotely the best CGI you have ever seen. But hell, I'll still be watching in 3D on opening weekend.
Well... by Colin62	Aug 20th, 2009 03:08:17 PM
I thought the trailer for T4 was awesome. So clearly, trailers have shit to do with how good a movie is. I'll wait until I see it to pass judgment.
This could be the sequel to Watchmen by turketron_2	Aug 20th, 2009 03:08:26 PM
In the comic doesn't Dr. Manhattan say something like he might go somewhere and try to create life? Maybe these blue aliens are that creation! Dr. Manhattan cameo might make it in after all!
PLAYKINS... by seniorspeilbergio	Aug 20th, 2009 03:09:07 PM
Right on. I definately understand your point. It's not that there's any criticism at all that bothers me, its the sheer VOLUME of people with negative opinions about the movie (and yes, like Jim and Terminator Salvation; i will also reserve the right to hate this movie if it blows)that troubles me. I see more people ready to bash this then like it. I find it discouraging and sad is all.
Earth Girls Are Easy II by iownyou	Aug 20th, 2009 03:09:23 PM
jim carrey in this?
Looks very promising, especially when it's on 3D by TheGza	Aug 20th, 2009 03:09:33 PM
But gamechanging? Probably not. That's what overhyping a film will lead us to believe every time. Honestly though, were you people expecting the screen to literally jump out and fuck you in the eyeballs. Cut the film some slack, I'm gonna give Jim Cameron the benefit of the doubt until he actually makes a bad film.
Mr. Waturi by erichaislar	Aug 20th, 2009 03:09:36 PM
Holy shit you are right.
I really hope there'sa musical number in this by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 03:10:10 PM

Series 7 by charabicharabia	Aug 20th, 2009 03:10:41 PM
Hahhahahaha ! Brilliant link ! I've just choked to death and resuscitated to type this message !!!
you're looking at this the wrong way, seriously by mutombo	Aug 20th, 2009 03:11:30 PM
You should see it as a few real actors blending in in a fictional world, instead of the fictional world becoming as 'aesthetically' real as the real actors. Goddamnit, I've always hoped for an adult Pixar film and this looks like this could be it. It's a CGI ANIMATION PEOPLE, NOT A LIVE ACTION FILM. Jesus.
Re: And yet Avatar Day Tix are SOLD OUT by Spice-Orange	Aug 20th, 2009 03:11:38 PM
... wasn't Avatar Day free? It looks fun and all, im just thinking what Cameron was thinking when he said it would revolutionize the industry. it looks like every other CGI fest out there, possibility less realistic looking, because its not even on earth. Those awful kids movies SHORTS and ALIENS IN THE ATTIC have more believable CGI. do you not agree? The "its meant to be in 3D" reasoning is ridiculous because MONSTERS V ALIENS was meant to be seen in 3D, and it wasnt that great. does this mean that JC put in a lot of those super-obvious and shitty scenes? "Look at the rocket coming right at you! woo! duck!" Give me a break. A film needs to stand on its own as a story first, acting second and appearance third. Only some really crazy psychedelic CGI and 3D effects would really wow me, and so far this look like a traditional action film. nothing "Meta" about it that questions your reality like "THE CELL" or "THE CUBE". so its not a small intimate story with mindblowing effects. its a big dumb movie with big dumb effects. call it what it is, we'll be okay with that. just dont say its gonna change the industry. Titanic this is not. and Titanic looked, and FELT real.
i'm sold by entrafis666	Aug 20th, 2009 03:12:58 PM
the trailer looked great.
HoboCode by Koyaanisqatsi	Aug 20th, 2009 03:13:06 PM
Yes the CGI for the avatars is the best I've ever seen in a movie representing completely alien yet humanoid characters. Show me something better.
I'm not too concerned with SFX, but I'm still underwhelmed by Knuckleface	Aug 20th, 2009 03:13:11 PM
I need to say that I don't give a damn about SFX. Effects don't make or break a film for me. It's just a tool. But this trailer is still disappointing. I just don't see where I'm going to care about any of it. The plot just seems silly, like the humans are playing an MMORPG... but it's real. Where's the threat of danger when the protagonists are hundreds of miles away from the action? Cameron has a lot to prove with this one.
Great. Now I Have Jizz On My Chest... by Frodo T. Baggins	Aug 20th, 2009 03:14:15 PM
Yeah that FX is great....off to get tissues...
It's got my money by interneti	Aug 20th, 2009 03:14:44 PM
But I don't think it's amazing or anything.
There's about 2 seconds of CGI in that Stargate trailer by hippie_killer	Aug 20th, 2009 03:15:14 PM
you stupid fucking child.
To those saying the CG looks good: by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Aug 20th, 2009 03:15:30 PM
You're either delusional of just fucking blind. For examples of GOOD CGI: The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Jurassic Park/The Lost World, Minority Report, The Dark Knight, Iron Man, hell even Terminator Salvation. It's been very far and few between. So STOP telling us that the CGI looks any good in this trailer when to someone with a functioning pair of eyes, no, it doesn't.
At least it's a 3d movie not directed by Tim Burton by lockesbrokenleg	Aug 20th, 2009 03:15:31 PM

Knuckleface by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 03:15:43 PM
Who's to day that if the avatar dies the "user" doesn't die too? If you die in the Matrix, you die in the real world, etc.
The whole reason he can't walk.. by CharyouTree	Aug 20th, 2009 03:16:51 PM
.is his main choice in volunteering for the Avatar programme, so he can walk again, I think it's because he's a war vet or maybe something else but I'm sure the wheelchair will be explained. "One of the Consortium agents leans close to him. He says that as an avatar he will have legs. Long powerful legs, and he can run again"
Here's why this movie sucks by Rickey Henderson	Aug 20th, 2009 03:17:05 PM
It's entire purpose is to be a tech demo. Some sort of evolutionary leap forward. And it looks like a goddamned Saturday morning cartoon. Rickey doesn't give a rats ass about whatever quantum physics derived machine that Jim Cameron used to make this movie. Nothing in this trailer looks groundbreaking.
Unobtanium? Really? by Chariowalda_Barbarossa	Aug 20th, 2009 03:17:15 PM
Sorry, did I get this right? Question to you scriptment readers, do they really speak of Unobtanium in this film? And that's the stuff that makes the rocks float? If so then lol. That's an old science fiction joke. If you need to make something work which just doesn't work, if you need a materieal with unobtainable properties, you just use unobtanium. I think Ringworlds are made of unobtanium too, no other material could possibly be strong enough.
This looks about as gay as could be by The_Floating_Skull_of_Robert_Log gia	Aug 20th, 2009 03:18:12 PM
Like a Halo cut scene as created by a 13 year old girl with glitter and puppies and unicorns. This movie may fuck my eyeballs, but it's only because it missed me while trying to fuck my ass. Gay Gay Gay.
So, why exactly do the Ferngully cats NOT have genitals? by gruntybear	Aug 20th, 2009 03:18:15 PM
If half the world has one swinging between their legs, why exactly is showing a little dick still so fucking taboo? It's not like, after Watchmen, the general public isn't used to a big ol' smurf dong. Fear of the cock, it's apparently everywhere.
If you want to see the best CGI featuring blue creachers look at by kingoflight	Aug 20th, 2009 03:18:25 PM
The blue pixes in one of the harry potter movies. Even though they look stupid they look like they are there in the world they are in. Where as this trailer is a fake looking blue bloke in a fake looking world. Even the guy in the wheel chair looks like he's in one of thoese budget all CGI background movies when he's getting off the space ship.
GeneralJackCosmo by CharyouTree	Aug 20th, 2009 03:18:53 PM
that is an integral plot point in this if I remember correctly
Kubrick didn't SIT ON HIS ASS FOR 12 YEARS by Redmond	Aug 20th, 2009 03:19:16 PM
He was developing various projects over that span, like Aryan Papers and A.I. Sitting on his ass for 12 years is you.
Fa_Tass_DinoMolester by GeneralJackCosmo	Aug 20th, 2009 03:20:24 PM
The only one of those movies to feature a cgi character as close to human as one of the na'vi is LOTR with Gollum, and I think the na'vi, FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, looks every bit as good as Gollum. I stress "from what we have seen" because it was Gollum's PERFORMANCE that sold it for me, and we have not seen enough from this 90 second trailer to accurately gauge what the performance of these cgi characters will be like.
Jury is still out for me by Kammich	Aug 20th, 2009 03:21:09 PM
The visuals don't blow me away, but I didn't really expect them to. CGI is CGI; some is bad, some is great... but there really isn't anything transcendent here. A concern of mine is that after only 2 minutes of trailer, I already felt that feeling you get watching the Star Wars prequels("okay, this is cool, and lush, and gorgeous... but I'm watching an expensive cartoon.") The Abyss is one of my favorite movies, Aliens is hardcore, T2 is a classic... but outside of that, Cameron has never really cracked my fav directors list, so my expectations for this movie are still tempered.
ahhh, the haters by 35MinutesAgo	Aug 20th, 2009 03:21:23 PM
the stupid, stupid, stupid haters. i'm gonna enjoy this epic fucking motion picture... you guys can just keep jerking eachother off and being generally lame altogether.
The last movie with VFX that took my breath away by Redmond	Aug 20th, 2009 03:21:36 PM
Was Jurassic Park. Nothing can replace that head rush of seeing the Brontosaurus move for the first time, the way I imagined when I was a kid in pre-CGI days. There have been great CGI work since (and plenty of bad ones), but that was the last one I can remember that just seemed transcendent. And, yes, I include Matrix in that, too. I was never that impressed by it, since it essentially used the same technology as the Gap commercials.
What would've been sweet..... by theycallmemrtibbs	Aug 20th, 2009 03:21:50 PM
If all the furry fuckers in this thing were ALIENS! What if the guys in the Mech Suits were Marines and this was the Aliens' Home world they were invading? What if Sam Worthington's Character was transported into one of those nasty bastards instead of the 7 foot Blue Lion-O? James Cameron directing a full assault Aliens War to end all Wars! Now that my friends would've gave me my geekasm of the day! They already have Sigourney Weaver aboard...... Instead we get a film filled with creatures that suspiciously look like stuff George Lucas did for 6 movies and a Cartoon network series. Oh well so much for wishful thinking. But still I cant front, I'll be in line with the rest of you circus animals opening night. Welcome Back Jim
more PVT. Hudson quotes by Phategod2	Aug 20th, 2009 03:22:14 PM
"Where all gonna die man." "Fucking A man." "That's it, man. Game over, man! Game over!"
JohnRyder by Daremo	Aug 20th, 2009 03:22:18 PM
"december cannot come fast enough" There you go... Wish your life away on a movie... That looks like ass.
YOUKILIS20 by Series7	Aug 20th, 2009 03:23:04 PM
You know whats funny, the movie I linked to is called Battle For Terra....but yeah I totally confused it with Delgo as well. The two movies had become the same movie in my mind as well.
Chariowalda_Barbarossa by CharyouTree	Aug 20th, 2009 03:23:29 PM
I think that joke was in the scriptment "Pandora is blessed with a naturally occurring substance a million times more precious than gold. Its joke name of "unobtanium" has stuck, over the years. Unobtanium is a rare-earth mineral, formed volcanically, which is a roomtemperature superconductor.
Fa_Tass... by Mr. Waturi	Aug 20th, 2009 03:24:59 PM
While I agree with you, your comparisons are unfair. Those movies used CG in real environments with miniatures. AVATAR uses CG characters in CG environments. Problem is, it's trying to sell it as real and not a cartoon. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the shortcomings with CG will be made perfectly clear by watching the trailer for Terence Malick's "The New World." ( http://www.apple.com/trailers/ newline/the_new_world/ ) Similar setting, characters, shots, etc. It proves that CG is still years away from looking real. AVATAR is ambitious as hell and I'll be there on day one to see it, but it still looks like a cartoon.
I love all the sweeping judgements about the CGI by hippie_killer	Aug 20th, 2009 03:26:27 PM
when you butt fuckers have only seen the trailer in choppy Quicktime on your mother's Gateway 2000. Put your precious LotR in that machine and see how it looks. Tards.
lockesbrokenleg - Musical number, indeed by strider_is_hot	Aug 20th, 2009 03:26:39 PM
From my inside sources, there IS a musical dance number performed by the blue cat-people. I heard about it 3 years ago and was like WTF.
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It looks amazing, revolutionary, by one_guy_from_andromeda_	Aug 20th, 2009 03:27:03 PM
To explain why the cgi looks miles better than anything that's come before is to waste words. If you don't see it, too bad for you. Like all works of art, avatar will not be appreciated until the artist is dead. I doubt JC reads talkbacks, and much less cares about the opinion of all the manchildren who come to spew their bitterness and hatred here. People, face it, you haven't enjoyed life in a long time. If you can't get exited about this, then i pity you, and most of all -rest assured that JC didn't make this movie for you people, he made it for folks who actually enjoy films.
NOT IMPRESSED... by TheGhostWhoLurks	Aug 20th, 2009 03:27:25 PM
How is this any better looking than a Final Fantasy film or even PIXAR's stuff? The aliens look pretty cartoony, compared to the live-action material and not nearly as convincing as they would if prosthetics/animatronics were in play. CGI still isn't at a point where they can fool the human eye and brain into accepting that these humanoid characters are anything more than day-glo pixels on the big screen. The story had BETTER be great, because the effects are certainly lacking. I have a feeling that the only things AVATAR will be f***ing are people's wallets.
Wait just a second by TheWaspUK	Aug 20th, 2009 03:27:56 PM
Wow people on here have such strong feelings from such a short clip. Really I think this says more about SciFi over the last 10 years than anything else. If you think about all the rubbish sci-fi we have had to deal with this decade its not suprising that we all feel so strongly. The Matrix was the last great Sci-Fi movie I remember. I mean really groundbreaking SciFi that made you WANT to believe. Since then we have had rubbish Star Wars cash-ins, poor Matrix sequals, dissapointing Hyped up monster movies (Cloverfield) and we are all too jaded now to really want a great movie. Hopefully this will be an Epic. And by that I mean an epic movie in scale, tone and story. Something that Cameron has been able to deliver time and time again. He never really had great actors or actresses in the past but he always delivered a top notch story. Personally I thought it looked OK. The action looks interesting, the HD quality made some areas of the aliens look real (in the medical booth) and some of it look crappy. But not as crappy as PM with the Windows XP Wallpaper style battlefields and Jar Jar Binks. Personally I will wait and see what tomorrows preview brings. Maybe this trailer is meant to dissapoint just so we can be blown away tomorrow. We will all know more then.
FlashGordon like ... DarkCrystal, even T4 looked better by HessianHorseman	Aug 20th, 2009 03:28:10 PM

Someone said this was the next 10,000 BC by interneti	Aug 20th, 2009 03:28:23 PM
That was spot on.
I'm not crazy about the horse like creatures galloping, looks ba by Orionsangels	Aug 20th, 2009 03:28:54 PM
It reminds me of the horses in beowulf. The galloping animation of the horse was so bad, that it distracted me from the rest of the movie. They should have used motion control, like they did in Return of the King.
Just saw the trailer. Negatives and positives. Mostly negative. by Hint_of_Smegma	Aug 20th, 2009 03:29:29 PM
Well, judging by that it's certainly not 'photorealistic' for the most part, although the shots of Worthington's avatar waking up on the ship were pretty realistic looking. Everything on the planet though looked on a par with the Kashykk scenes in the SW prequel abominations. The mechs looked like typical CGI - unrealistic, no 'weight' to them, cartoony. The aliens in the rest of the trailer were underwhelming, but the space shots looked good. Hoping the story makes up for the visual shortfalls. The biggest thing though is that while I thought before seeing this that due to the marketing so far this film would fail to succeed at the box office, now I KNOW it. It's going to have a good opening weekend, maybe a good first two weeks, but it will have a massive drop-off after that. The average cinema goer i

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