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Well, Here's One Way To Kick Start A New SUPERMAN Film...

What's going on? by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 10:41:34 AM

What happened to the first link by ThatGuy05	Jul 9th, 2009 10:41:58 AM
What happened to the first link
That's what I was wondering... by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 10:42:22 AM
Seems the story on node 41638 got all screwed up.
Th Brains by Merrick	Jul 9th, 2009 10:42:25 AM
The previous post of the article was not displaying correctly. I had to delete it and repost. Fixed now.
I don't mind Routh reprising... by Marxeffect	Jul 9th, 2009 10:42:40 AM
the Superman role. As long as there is at least some fucking action this time! Bring on Doomsday!!!
I blame the Anti Life Equation by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 10:43:20 AM
Or Gleek.
Is Roger Corman busy? by photoboy	Jul 9th, 2009 10:44:09 AM
I'm sure he could knock out a new Superman film to make sure the rights are retained...
Thanks Merrick by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 10:44:30 AM

With plenty of time, they screwed the pooch with S:Returns by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 10:45:29 AM
I don't know how they could do a decent job on a movie that was rushed out the door. Unless they did something VERY unconventional. Like a low-budget Superman movie with little special effects, which acted as a lead-in to a more balls-to-the-wall movie which followed at a more realistic pace.
HARVEY FIERSTEIN for SUPERMAN... by SeXX ED	Jul 9th, 2009 10:45:38 AM
... inspired casting.
I say bring back by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 10:45:51 AM
Brandon Routh as Superman, he did a good job. The problem with Returns wasn't so much the casting (Spacey as Lex Luthor was inspired IMO) but the lack of action, thee simply was not enough. I can't fault Singer for concentrating on characters but he concentrated a bit too much. Oh, and as good as Spacey was, there needs to be a new foe for Superman, enough with Luthor already, he can be a part of it like in Superman II, but Superman needs a new foe to fight.
Warners should go for the insanity and cast Morgan Freeman by Stuntcock Mike	Jul 9th, 2009 10:46:28 AM
I'd go see that.
I actually liked Bryan Singer's Superman by Organs	Jul 9th, 2009 10:46:51 AM
I really can't understand why everyone hated it. Brandon Routh was a fantastic Superman and Clark Kent. Spacey, in my opinion, was even better than Gene Hackman (who came off as a weasel in the older films), and the emotional tone was just wonderful. He accented what makes Superman great and contrasted it beautifully with Nolan's Batman. It was Superman minus comic relief.
rogueleader66 by c4andmore	Jul 9th, 2009 10:47:43 AM
100% correct on all counts, Routh was fine as Supes, he even looked and sounded like Reeves fer crissakes!
Won't the proposed "Smallville" TV movie do, by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 10:48:55 AM
since RETURNS and "Smallville" are the issue here? I'll admit, I'm not sure I'm clear on the legal mumbo-jumbo, here. Plus, I don't care enough to really figure it out.
do it right you morons Jon Hamm by blackshuck	Jul 9th, 2009 10:50:14 AM
no will smith no shia no donnerlove no johnwilliamsscore no fuckinggiantspiders...um unless they do a live action version of timm's superman:doomsday. Honestly, how hard is it to do a Superman movie?
Routh was awful. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 10:50:43 AM
I know he's got his fair share of apologists, but he's scrawny and dull. He might not be a pansy, but he sure came across on screen as one. RETURNS was garbage.
Routh by Merrick	Jul 9th, 2009 10:51:45 AM
I have no problem with Routh coming back at all & understand he's been actively campaigning to return in whatever project ends up happening. The biggest problem with SUPERMAN RETURNS was its story/pacing, and its over-dedication to Donner's original film. It mimicked it without capturing the textural energy that made Donner's original work - making me wonder what the point was.
Routh wasn't awful...the SCRIPT was awful. by Cletus Van Damme	Jul 9th, 2009 10:54:34 AM
I get the feeling that WB is going to go "Springtime For Hitler" with this, though.
resign Routh, bring back Spacey, but bring in DARKSEID too by GLENN_THE_TOOL	Jul 9th, 2009 10:54:37 AM
how awesome would it be to have Apokalips launch a full-on invasion of Earth? here's how you go about the next Superman film: get rid of the kid, pretend he didn't exist. recast Lois, preferably with someone with a smaller forehead than Bosworth. and rather than going the Kryptonite route, give Superman a threat that can kick his ass in Darkseid, his Furies, and legions of Paratroopers. have Lex use the money he inherited to start LexCorp so he can be the post-Byrne businessman he's been for the past 20 years. make Lex an underlying "puppet master" threat pulling everyone's strings. and perhaps when Darkseid invades, Lex can break out his Kryptonian armor and join the fight. how much of a twist would that be? Superman and Lex fighting side-by-side against Darkseid? of course, Lex's real motive is to make the public look at him as a hero and make the public think they don't need an alien like Superman to protect them. now that would be a kickass Superman movie.
Superman Returns... by Sauce Diesel	Jul 9th, 2009 10:55:04 AM
...wasn't a bad film. Routh did a great job in the role and he definitely pulled off the look (Bosworth being cast as Lois is another story). I'd actually like to see Routh again in the cape but agree with Merrick that the film didn't pull off the same level of excitement that Donner's did. I think that movies like Dark Knight show you can make a movie intellectually stimulating while still adding in the right level of action. I just think Singer got it wrong...
Merrick, "textural energy" by SpawnofAchilles	Jul 9th, 2009 10:55:13 AM
What is that, exactly?
Please, No TDK 'Darkness...' by BoggyCreekBeast	Jul 9th, 2009 10:56:52 AM
Superman is an entirely different animal. But, MORE ACTION!
Singer was just a mistake to begin with... by BNITT	Jul 9th, 2009 10:58:16 AM
fact.
superman returns sucks ass by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 10:58:42 AM
the effects were brilliant, the casting of Routh was acceptible(but he's not a good actor at all-just LOOKS like superman/Clark Kent)-but the film-totzal boring garbage. STOP with Lex Luther(at this this iteration-he's just too damned boring)-and bring in fucking villian with powers.Darkseid would be great,ANYONE would be great! I WOULD RATHER see THIS SDMALLVILLE idea go to the bigscreen-that's a good idea
Merrick makes a valid point by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 10:58:57 AM
Slavish devotion to a thirty year old film that was flawed to begin with. Weird. But Routh was still dull and weak and un-supermanly. I really doubt they'd go with anyone but Routh in a hurry-up. Especially since such a move will cause the film to tank, thereby, giving them grounds to legally claim they over-paid for the license! Paranoid? Maybe.
Merrick by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 9th, 2009 10:59:35 AM
Spot on. It was like a fan homage to the Donner films. A bad one. But Routh was pretty bland in the role.
For the most part I really liked Returns. by TJ Donkey Show	Jul 9th, 2009 10:59:43 AM
I agree that it could have used more action. However, the action it did have was pretty great. The scene with the plane was awesome. It did a outstanding job showing how powerful Superman is. I'm tired of Lex Luther "Maniac Realtor", I say bring on Brainiac or even Lobo.
New Supes by Mr.FTW	Jul 9th, 2009 10:59:59 AM
Who cares what the motivation is as long as Warners quits dragging thier feet on getting a new movie up and running. It does boggle my mind though that the Siegels have any rights to any money regaurding Superman at all. How did DC not obtain al rights decades ago and why don't you ever hear about the Shusters being a thorn in the side of Warners and DC? Superman Returns was awesome especially when viewd in the context of Superman the Movie and then the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II. I don't understand why so many people want or expect HULK SMASH from a Superman movie. Go back and watch the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II, it will put Returns into perspective. That being said a trilogy that started with Kalibak coming to earth and had Darksied pulling stings in the shadow until coming to earth in the 3rd would be awesome and epic and where the should go with a new franchise. That would give people all the action they could handle.
Please Get Lex Luthor Right... by dixieflyer	Jul 9th, 2009 11:00:41 AM
Lex Luthor is not Max Bailystock from The Producers. Luthor does not swindle little old ladies out of their money. Luthor does not have buffoons as side kicks. Please stop using Donner's model for Luthor.
The problem with Returns........... by connor187	Jul 9th, 2009 11:01:14 AM
Was simple really.....It was just a lame sequel! That there was the mistake, they should of started all over again like Nolan did with Batman. Singer dropped the ball and it bounced back up and hit him in his face. He had too much of a hard on for Donner's version. They should of started from the begining, Crypton, Smallville, the lot.
Rouths Contact has expired by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 11:01:15 AM
I don't think we will be seeing him again.
MICHAEL BAY by Toilet_Terror	Jul 9th, 2009 11:01:59 AM
I don't believe they've gotten their heads straight enough in three years to make a better Superman film, so they might as well go straight to the source of modern film hackery and destroy hopes for a good Superman film altogether.
Bring back Routh by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 11:03:26 AM
He's too perfect for the role to be let go.
FUCK!!! Routh's Contract has expired by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 11:04:18 AM
I don't think we will be seeing him again.
I loved Superman Returns... by theneonsamurai	Jul 9th, 2009 11:04:54 AM
and I'd love to see Routh back for whatever they do next. Superman Returns and Hulk (2003) are two of the most unappreciated flicks in recent memory..... Just had a thought. Maybe WB can get Ed Norton to play superman, and blow 150m on a pointless reboot
THE KID STAYS IN THE PICTURE by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 11:06:22 AM
Routh-stay Spacey-GONE! Bryan Singer-DOUBLE GONE! Screenwriters-GONE!AND SHOT IN THE FACE! that is all
Routh was the only brilliant part of Superman Returns by dr sauch	Jul 9th, 2009 11:06:37 AM
He was absolutely perfect. Every single other actor and actress sucked donkey dick. The plot was retarded, and the script was laugahable. But DO NOT lose that kid.
and enough with DOOMSDAY, for chrissakes by GLENN_THE_TOOL	Jul 9th, 2009 11:08:01 AM
as epic as The Death of Superman was, Doomsday as a character is so fucking thin. he never speaks (asides from growling "MMMTTTRRPPLLISSS"), and he destroys shit. but after he killed Superman, they had virtually no use for him. everything after that was utter garbage. Doomday is more of a plot device than a character. they could do a Death of Superman movie, but there's only two ways to go about it. if they have Doomsday kill Superman midway through the movie, Superman will just come back to life toward the end of the film and his death won't have any emotional impact. but if you do a two-movie arch and have Doomsday kill him at the end of the first movie and have him resurrected in the second movie, a lot of people are going to be pissed off about Superman being dead for so long. and you really have to think about how you're going to stretch the Doomsday/Superman fight for a large chunk of the first movie. because if it's just action-action-action, the audience will get bored and the movie will get shit on for being shallow (like a certain giant robot movie in theaters right now.)
"He's too perfect for the role" by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 11:08:05 AM
Sure. If his role is to imitate Christopher Reeve in the screen version of "The Making of Superman: The Movie". If the role is the character of Superman, as opposed to somebody's nostalgic version of a deceased movie star who played Superman thirty years ago, Brandon is a terrible casting choice. I'm amazed that anyone with a brain can think otherwise.
Glad to see the love for RETURNS grow by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 11:08:26 AM
it really is a good film. I understand people wanted more action. But it has it's heart in the right place.
Screwing the Siegles for over 70 years by shutupfanboy	Jul 9th, 2009 11:08:27 AM
I loath how Warner Bros/DC has treated this family since Action Comics #1. I agree Superman Returns' problem was the script. I just don't see how they can get past all the crap in the script to do a sequel. I expect them to do a Smallville movie in order to fill out the contract date. Darkside should be saved for a JLA movie, Brainac is probably the best villain to go with if they do a sequel to Superman Returns. I am thinking straight up reboot will the alternative as long as Mark Millar's trilogy ending with Clark on a dead earth ready for the sun to explode isn't going to be the script.
Remember how much Harry liked Superman Returns? by McFly in the Ointment	Jul 9th, 2009 11:09:06 AM
This is still a perfect example of why Harry is so full of it and biased in all his reviews! He's always been hot for Bryan Singer. McFly speaks
Jon. Hamm. by blackshuck	Jul 9th, 2009 11:09:50 AM
Ok the thing is with an iconic character like Superman or Batman is that there are more than one 'right' ways to do it, but that doesn't mean there aren't any 'wrong' ways. Keep it clean, storyline wise, have some subtext ok - but DO IT RIGHT. He's a man, not some twink from the casting couch. He's not tortured and dark. He doesn't have a kid with aqualad powers. HE's SUPERMAN!!! I liked Burton's Batman. I liked Nolan's. I loved Dini/Timm's. All different. All 'right'. I hated Schumacher's. His was wrong. I loved donner's. I've seen it. Do it different. Do it right.
Should cast Kristen Bell as Lois by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 11:12:48 AM
She has the spunk and is very easy on the eyes.
blackshuck types sense by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 11:12:50 AM
But sense does not exist in Hollywood's dojo.
Let Routh back in, and... by Tash226	Jul 9th, 2009 11:12:55 AM
go with this cast Lois Lane - Anne Hathaway Lex Luthor - Alexander Skarsgård Brainiac - John Malkovich Perry White - Who cares Jimmy Olsen - Who cares again Throw in some Darkseid and have Brainiac running amuck in the flick, and you would have a great Superman flick. Just, this time for a change, make a good script to go along with a good director. Dont rush it with McG or Ratner; if so, then don't do it at all.
Please, Kumar - don't hit me again! it really hurts! by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 11:14:28 AM

I hear the Disaster Movie guys are free by JoeSixPack	Jul 9th, 2009 11:15:57 AM
and Steve Gutenberg as Superman
SR wasn't bad? by Philvis	Jul 9th, 2009 11:16:37 AM
Ok, people get on here trashing Transformers 2 to no end, but then get on here and say that Superman Returns wasn't bad...that the casting wasn't bad, and so on? That movie spat on Superman. Brandon Routh did nothing but try to mimic Christopher Reeve, Kate Bosworth was a travesty, Kevin Spacey had potential, but tried to be like Gene Hackman, and so on. They also bring in a bastard Superman child into the mix. It was nothing more than Singerman's attempt at a Donner sequel...a horrible attempt. I would have rather seen a low budget Smallville direct to DVD than SR. Routh is weak...he looks about as super as Harry. Superman needs a complete reboot...new writers, new cast, new director.
OHHH MAN!!! by Series7	Jul 9th, 2009 11:17:44 AM
I HOPE ITS AN ORIGIN STORY! I always forget where Superman came from.
Steve Gutenberg, see NOW we're talking! by blackshuck	Jul 9th, 2009 11:18:57 AM
Tash226 - good cast. Howabout Malkovich as Luthor?
Shia would make an awesome superman! by Series7	Jul 9th, 2009 11:20:12 AM
How needs a full grown human being to be a superhero! Maybe Shia will break the sterotype that short actors aren't superheroes, something that Tom Cruise could never make happen.
Stop bashing SR. Harry loved it! It's the film he always dreamt by McFly in the Ointment	Jul 9th, 2009 11:21:09 AM
From June 18, 2006 "...And finally today I saw a SUPERMAN film that is no fantasy – no careless product of wild imagination. No, my friends… this is the film I was hoping and dreaming for. A movie to reintroduce SUPERMAN to the world. Many would take this to mean that I was "predisposed" to love SUPERMAN RETURNS - actually - for me, that's not exactly true. I could have shown up today and found a basket of lies and false hopes. I could have not seen the film I saw. A film filled with love and beauty. To not brush the original films of my childhood away like artifacts of a misguided time. Instead – what Singer, Dougherty and Harris have done – well… they too liked the first and second films. And they dared to honor them, but not be beholden. To acknowledge, while reinventing. And – not so much improving, but learning from the mistakes of an era." Get real!!! McFly
Subtitles_Off by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 11:21:24 AM
What's wrong with imitating Reeve's Superman whom I grew up with and has be ingrained in my childhood? It worked so what's the problem?
JON HAMM AS SUPERMAN! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 11:21:45 AM
Make it so and then retire this franchise. Eh, zfisk?
SR was bad, but not because of Routh or Spacey by GLENN_THE_TOOL	Jul 9th, 2009 11:21:46 AM
but because the script was shit and Singer was more obsessed with paying homage to Richard Donner than taking the franchise in a new direction. the whole film felt like a rehash of the first film only with better special effects. and the kid angle just felt like Singer trying to pound it into everyone's head that he actually saw Superman II. and please, no more Zod. he was awesome in Superman II, but let's try to bring in a threat we haven't seen in the movies yet instead of further regurgitating things from the previous films.
ROUTH WAS A PLANK OF WOOD by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 11:22:28 AM
Keanu Reeves laughs at what a poor actor Routh is.
Rudy Reyes for Superman. by 11dayempire	Jul 9th, 2009 11:22:40 AM
The guy who played himself in Generation Kill. You know it makes sense. He's the size of a house, he looks like Superman, he's a comic-book nut, and - this is the crucial bit - NO ONE WILL DARE CALL HIM A "FAG" AS THEY DID ROUTH. Because he's an ex-Marine, a martial-arts expert, and he knows thirty-seven different ways of killing you with his bare hands.
Routh didn't remind me of Reeves much at all. by TheLastCleric	Jul 9th, 2009 11:22:41 AM
Reeves really played the bookish dork thing a bit too heavy where by contrast Routh played Clark like a wide-eyes innocent out of his element. As to Superman, I think Routh was dead on and I really give him credit for bulking up. I think he did a great job, especially considering the history and expectations of the roll, and I would love to see him in a sequel. As to SR, it may be flawed but in my opinion it is the closest we have gotten yet to the comic. I agree with those who say it's time for a new villian and more action in the sequel however.
Time to introduce Brainiac by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 11:23:33 AM

DWAYNE JOHNSON IS SUPERMAN. by Shermdawg	Jul 9th, 2009 11:23:40 AM
DO IT, WARNER BROS. HE'S PERFECT FOR THE ROLE.
Singer I'll never forgive you by Mr Gorilla	Jul 9th, 2009 11:24:15 AM
Your X2 was PHENOMENALLY good. But your move gave the world a mediocre X3 and a turgid Superman. If you had completed the trilogy, those X-men films would have stood as one of the great blockbuster series. Instead, no-one talks about them much these days. DAMN YOU!!!
by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 11:24:48 AM
I see RETURNS as a good ending to Donner's story, but I don't like the tone and look of it for a modern Superman movie. I don't want a new movie to be TDK dark, but they should treat the characters, as wacky as they could be like Darkseid and Brainiac, with utter seriousness. The drama should also be there for Clark/Superman- they should work on his characterisation so that he doesn't come across as a "douchebag" as I've heard Superman described before, but as a guy you can relate to and root for. Elevate the threats, including Luthor, to a global scale, add more sci-fi. They can't afford to make a half-assed Superman movie anymore.
And for good measure... by 11dayempire	Jul 9th, 2009 11:24:49 AM
...here's how to revive the franchise. Do a 1930s period piece, inspired by the Fleischer cartoons and the early comics. Opening sequence: Lex Luthor breaks out of prison with the help of Giant Robots. Luthor then summons Brainiac to Earth to defeat Superman; Brainiac, in this version of the story, is the Kryptonian super-computer created to preserve the Kryptonian race (hence the "bottle cities"). Brainiac reverts to its original programming and attempts to Kryptoform the Earth to create a New Krypton; this involves turning the Sun red, which will both reduce Superman to human-level strength, and (in this version of the fiction) kill off the human race. Superman has to battle to protect his adopted home against a villain who wants to recreate his dead homeworld; plenty of character beats there. Get John Malkovich to play Luthor, and Rudy Reyes to play Superman. Make Superman a bit more paternal, like the George Reeves version. Watch the dollars roll in.
how bout by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 11:24:50 AM
"me" as superman.That works for me.And Lex Luther? duh-me again. An the rest we can jsut make up as we go along.
Superman origin story? BORING by prbt	Jul 9th, 2009 11:25:47 AM
Brandon Routh just wasn't Superman, he looked like a kid. Whereas Chris Reeve was a proper grown-up all-American hero -type. I never thought a Superman film could be dull until Superman Returns... I actually fell asleep during it, I _never_ do that.
screenplay by Andillformthehead	Jul 9th, 2009 11:25:51 AM
Wouldn't be cool if DC creative team and a traditional screenwriter wrote a kickass Superman screenplay that contained some of the multitude of characters Superman interacts with on a day to day basis and not just people from 1977 era Superman comics? Or maybe ask Timm & Co. for there take or angle. Having people not emotionally invested in the source material ultimately hurts the end product. Singer infused his messianic complex in there when the best Superman stories deal with why Supes tries to be more like us than a God up on high....
Yes because Keanu Reeves.. by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 11:25:51 AM
would have made a more convincing Superman. GTFO of here.
Harry drank the Kool Aid by blackshuck	Jul 9th, 2009 11:25:53 AM
I mean, it's understandable. Synger obviously had a lot of love for the project. He did a pretty good/possibly great job with X Men. Add the Donner feel, the William's score.. SR played on those hopes and memories. it almost felt right. But it was a bloated aimless mess. One with heart. But it was a borrowed heart.
Re: FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS by GLENN_THE_TOOL	Jul 9th, 2009 11:26:31 AM
because doing an imitation of those movies means little new material is being brought to the table. shit, watch an imitation when you can just watch your Superman and Superman II DVD's? stop being so nostalgic. i grew up watching them too, i ran around my house with a towel tied around my neck pretending i could fly. but sometimes you gotta let go of the old things and delve into new territory to keep things fresh and interesting.
Very funny idrinkyourmilkshake by McFly in the Ointment	Jul 9th, 2009 11:26:33 AM
You need to contribute more to this site. You are the funniest and smartest person on this talkback. I'll bet you're real popular with the ladies. Am I right idrinkyourmilkshake? McFly
Harry writes great reviews for guys like idrinkyourmilkshake by McFly in the Ointment	Jul 9th, 2009 11:27:20 AM

Superman is all in the news by Series7	Jul 9th, 2009 11:27:28 AM
He was in my copy of USA today yesterday. I say they make take that strip and just make it a movie.
Just what we need, a rushed Superman flick by D.Vader	Jul 9th, 2009 11:27:52 AM
Well, as long as they throw in an interesting villain and some fine action set pieces with some incredible things we've yet to see... I'm fine with that. Bring on some fucking ALIEN DESTRUCTION for once. Seriously, you want me to go ahead and write a Darkseid movie? Just adapt the animated series, its practically already been done for you producers.
"Superman Returns by Autodidact	Jul 9th, 2009 11:28:06 AM
as a Moony, Stalking, Date Rapist Absentee Father and oh he's a Fucking Moron now too!" That should have been the title.
FUGL, what's wrong with imitating Reeve? by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 11:28:45 AM
Because the film is about SUPERMAN, not CHRIS REEVE IS SUPERMAN, AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT. Jebus. It was thirty years ago. Move - the fuck - on. It worked for you, did it? Good. Glad you liked it. It exists on DVD. You can watch it over and over until your eyes bleed and you've worn holes in your Chris Reeve jammies. There is absolutely no reason to do a Superman movie in 2009 that is beholden to 1979.
what's with all the hornyness today, Merrick? by Talkbacker with no name	Jul 9th, 2009 11:29:07 AM
go knock one out or something, bruv. You seem backed up :)
As long as they have a seen with Superman by Series7	Jul 9th, 2009 11:29:26 AM
Realizing he can run really fast, for the first time. Nothing says superman more then fast running!
AICN's Smallville/Metropolis movie suddenly sounds real by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 11:29:49 AM
That rumor makes a lot more sense now. If WB has to push out a movie quick, SV already has the sets built and actors cast. All they'd need was an experienced movie director and writer. How else is WB going to make a movie by 2011? It's late 2009 already. Green Lantern hasn't even started shooting and that is expected for summer 2011 and has already done pre-production. To start a movie up from nothing right now and expect it out by 2011 is crazy. Unless that Metropolis rumor was true.
Stop bashing SR. Harry loved it! It's the film he always dreamt by McFly in the Ointment	Jul 9th, 2009 11:30:59 AM
Remember those words, my friends. That's the guy who runs this site. There is no way anyone on this talkback like this movie. So how can we trust anything Harry writes? Who's with me??? McFly
It had all the right pieces... by brute101	Jul 9th, 2009 11:31:41 AM
...but basing it on a 25+ year old storyline (Superman 2) was just too late. If this had come out in place of Superman 3, it would have been a bigger success. As it was, it was out of time and drab by today's comparison. As for Singer, Routh and Spacey - c'mon, they all did their parts admirably. Singer painted a good movie (story non-withstanding), Routh was a good Superman (who else coulda' done it?) and Spacey is the man. Make his Lex more like the super-genius he's currently thought of as and I think it would be fine to have a go at it again, but with a bit more action and some 'otherworldly' threat...
brute101 by Philvis	Jul 9th, 2009 11:33:19 AM
*Routh was a good Superman (who else coulda' done it?)* I would have taken that Tom Welling guy for Superman any day over Routh.
I never understood the hate... by codymr	Jul 9th, 2009 11:33:34 AM
for SR. Yeah perhaps it was not as good as S:The Movie and SII, but it wasn't the worst Superman film either... have you haters seen parts III and IV - YIKES! And I think SR has the potential to set up a really good Superman Returns Again (or whatever they call it... my hope is Man of Steel). If they get Luthor or Brainiac to kill Supes & Lois's kid in the first act... a vengeful Superman would be very interesting, especially if he is self aware of his actions. I do agree with those who say that if you are going to use Luthor again he needs to be the head of LexCorp - enough with the real estate schemes. He needs access to advanced tech from LexCorp's Advanced Weapons Division to be a real threat to the boyscout in tights. As for Lois Lane, she needs to be recast. As cute as Bosworth was, her portrayal was weak. I didn't buy for a second that she had won a Pulitzer. I get that they wanted to cast the character young so down the line they don't run into the problem they had with Margot Kidder (where she really was showing her age after part II). But whoever they cast she needs to be a good foil and have mucho sass. Returns wasn't great, but it wasn't the embarrassment that haters make it out to be either. And is was nice to see a Superman motion picture again after such a long hiatus.
WB got tired of the gay rumors so let Routh go by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 11:34:05 AM
He ain't under contract no more.
Doomsday and the Siegels by Mr.FTW	Jul 9th, 2009 11:34:38 AM
GLENN_THE_TOOL I couldn't agree with you more, Doomsday is and always has been lame. He worked in comics due to the serielized nature of comics and the impending doom of his arrival then proceeding to beat the crap out of all the DC heroes until Superman showed up. But in a movie it would just be Hulk smash, which would be cool for a maximum of about 15 min. Superman deserves something more epic. shutupfanboy How has DC screwed over the Siegels? Putting aside any moral high ground that as co-creater he and his family deserve compensation. DC/Warners own Superman and really shouldn't be expected to give them a dime. Sielgel and Shuster for better or worse sold the rights to Superman. They had no way of knowing the character would become what it has, that's the gamble of buisness.
It won't be Routh by Series7	Jul 9th, 2009 11:35:04 AM
His contracts gone, and have you seen him lately? He's let himself go a bit, looking pretty pretty flabby.
ANYONE else could've done it as well. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 11:35:54 AM
That's my point. They didn't look for anyone who could've done it better. They wanted a mimic. A drone. So they cast a drone. When they were supposed to have cast a superhero.
Nothing wrong with Routh by AJD_1	Jul 9th, 2009 11:36:18 AM
Didn't think that Superman Returns was as bad as people made it out to be. Routh made a pretty good superman so why change him? I'm all in favour in recasting Spacey though!
I'm a big fan of Superman Returns. by Knuckleduster	Jul 9th, 2009 11:36:35 AM
It's a sweet, wholesome and thoughtful film. Singer's a solid director. We need more serious filmmakers like him in Hollywood and less fratboy wankers like McG and Ratfuck. Wouldn't mind a 40's era Superman starring Jon Hamm, though.
Everyone seems to think their problem with SR is the right one by D.Vader	Jul 9th, 2009 11:37:26 AM
So I'll throw my two cents in: Casting was fine all across the board EXCEPT for Lois Lane. She didn't look pretty and she looked way too young. My problem with the film was the pacing. And the lack of action. I think the actors did great jobs, I thought the character development was good, but it just started feeling overlong and like it was missing... something. I want to see Superman go nuts and start bashing the shit out of wrecked cars and whatnot, wracked with guilt over the death of someone he couldn't save. Like Detective Turpin's death in the animated series at the hands of Darkseid. There's some real pathos there: Superman feeling like he has to atone for the deaths of real heroes, humans who sacrificed themselves in ways Superman, being nigh invincible, never could.
SR experience by Philvis	Jul 9th, 2009 11:37:46 AM
My wife, brothers and nephews didn't let me in the car after I forced them to go see Superman Returns. I convinced myself it wasn't that bad. I then re-watched it on DVD. It WAS that bad. The acting was bad, the look was bad, the plot was bad, the directing was bad. Even the suit Superman wore was crap. WB would be better off deleting Superman Returns from their catalog.
Knuckleduster is truly full of it by McFly in the Ointment	Jul 9th, 2009 11:38:35 AM
Stop being Harry's mouthpiece already, you liar! If I wanted sweet and wholesome, I'd see more movies with your momma. McFly
SUPERMAN III is far better than RETURNS by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 11:40:18 AM
Take out the bit where Clark Kent eats dog food. Yeah, it's campy, sure. It is also entertaining, and that's something RETURNS could never be (airliner scene exempted). Before you bash me, there is nothing in III remotely as retarded as Lois Lane's sing-song poetry, reversing time by reversing the rotation of the Earth, expanding S insignias, or superpowers from the fingertips.
Harry loved Superman Returns by McFly in the Ointment	Jul 9th, 2009 11:42:26 AM
Live with that and keep coming back for more of his lies. McFly
The Truth is... by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 11:42:27 AM
Superman Returns failed for a number of reasons. The script, the kid, the casting of Bosworth, Lex Luthor being obsessed with REAL ESTATE again... jesus fucking christ. But mostly because it suffered from the same issue as (of all things) the Incredible Hulk tv series. You have this guy with all the power in the world, but you can't have him use it. Hulk threw people around, lifted cars. Superman lifts whole islands. Big deal. But he never all-out punched someone. Couldn't be done. Superman needs to be SUPER. And that doesn't mean just flying. And it certainly doesn't mean flying around the earth until he's in some fucking timewarp. Or throwing a sarin-wrap insignia at people. He needs to be Super, and that means having villains that can challenge him, like Superman II, but without the RETARDED bits. No ice-cream in the face sight gags. No phone calls being made horizontally. Make Superman a fucking hero. Make him Super. And the audience will be there.
Who will touch my pee-pee in times of despair? by SnatchVagina	Jul 9th, 2009 11:42:41 AM
Hmmm?
Knuckleduster by codymr	Jul 9th, 2009 11:43:27 AM
"...Wouldn't mind a 40's era Superman starring Jon Hamm, though." BEST IDEA EVER.
smallville by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 11:43:56 AM
Michael Ausiello at EW.com says this: Question: I'll give you a dollar if you have any scoop on the rumor circulating that after season 9 of Smallville there may be a spin-off called Metropolis. --Tan Ausiello: My peeps at Warner Bros. are still insisting that (some drunk fan probably made that up) nothing like that is being discussed at the moment. Now for the awkward part: I'd like my dollar. I accept cash or Diners Club.
Superman Returns was fine by NeoMyers	Jul 9th, 2009 11:45:23 AM
I, like a few others, don't really understand the hate over SR. I thought it was a good return for the character. Plus, since Superman is so damned perfect I really liked the Christ metaphors and the inclusion of his kid, which Superman never had before. It gives the character some drama. That being said, while I did like it, I agree with those people who are arguing for more action. I'd like a real knock-down, drag out super-powered fight with an opponent that can give as good as he gets. Brainiac, Darkseid, hell, even Zod again. But definitely not Luthor, even though I really liked Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor. I wouldn't mind him in a supporting role, akin to Superman 2, though.
Do Millar's Epic Trilogy Idea by LaserPants	Jul 9th, 2009 11:48:08 AM
I thought that sounded fuckin' AWESOME.
Knuckleduster & codymr by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 11:48:57 AM
Agreed gentlemen. Great idea.
PANSY ASS ROUTH IS GONE? by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 11:50:04 AM
COLOR ME HAPPY.
Yeah he should run really fast by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 11:50:42 AM
like Forrest Gump. He should be like Forrest Gump! But at the end he should punch a giant robot/squid/spider for about twenty minutes, all angry like. Preferably during a violent thunderstorm on top of an out of control plane. With lots of lightning. Yeah lightning!
Green Lantern? by teethgnasher	Jul 9th, 2009 11:51:07 AM
What's happening with that?
Lex by Philvis	Jul 9th, 2009 11:51:28 AM
If they bring back Lex, he needs to be corporate Lex with LexCorp. Rosenbaum did and excellent Luthor on Smallville, so the WB should take note from his take on it.
Superman III better than Returns? slow down there by GLENN_THE_TOOL	Jul 9th, 2009 11:52:16 AM
while Superman III did have its good points - Pryor, Evil Superman, and the awesome junkyard battle - the movie played it a little too goofy at times. at least SR tried to maintain a serious tone. and i agree that the "Apokalips Now!" episode of Superman: The Animated Series should be used as somewhat of a template for the next movie. it was truly one of the best, most ass-kicking, and dramatic episodes of the series and one of the best Superman stories in recent years.
Merrick - the problems with Returns were... by snomusic	Jul 9th, 2009 11:52:38 AM
Both Superman and Lois were 10 years younger making them age backwards, LOis Lane was now simply a bitch (Kidder was tough but tender), Superman was a peeping Kal, The costume changing to gay speedos with elf boots and leather cape, and even changing the belt - simply too much. You already touched on the storyline... But yeah Routh was OK and Spacey can't help being great. Not better than Hackman, but yeah, great.
Unite the pee-pee in this time of need! by SnatchVagina	Jul 9th, 2009 11:53:59 AM
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SR sucked ROUTH sucked (on Singer) Spacey chewed scenery by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 11:55:27 AM
Reboot. I one hundred percent agree with Jon Ham casting. Bring in a villain Superman can really beat the shit out of who can take it, like Solomon Grundy or even Bizarro Superman. Maybe some scientist working with quantum physics discovers the parallel universe that unleashes Bizarro Superman or that it's revealed that either Mr. Mxzlptk or Brainiac is behind it. But Supes is the most powerfully strong, fastest, heat beamin', super-breathing hero of all, let's seem him do TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION this time!! Fuck you, Singer!!!!
V'Shael by snomusic	Jul 9th, 2009 11:55:38 AM
Your complaints about the goofiness/sight-gags from II aren't Donner's fault - it was the director that took over what was left to shoot.
Hostage situation with Superman by shutupfanboy	Jul 9th, 2009 11:56:30 AM
The Seigel/Schuster agreed to the terms, because they were going to be fired if they didn't turn over the rights. When DC got the rights, they were eventually fired anyway. Action Comics was the highest selling comic book of its time. Of course, DC knew it was going to be huge or they wouldn't want the rights in the first place. Why go after the rights if they didn't think they could make money off of it?
Michael Madsen as Superman by marcspector	Jul 9th, 2009 11:57:05 AM
Seriously, he looks like George Reeves. I think he would be an awesome "Kingdom Come" style Superman.
Christopher Reeve by Philvis	Jul 9th, 2009 12:00:06 PM
Christopher Reeve was great as Superman, but that doesn't mean every Superman has to look like him from here on out. As long as he resembles the comic character, that is all that matters. The next Superman needs to be able to fill out a suit without padding.
SR stank by MaulVader	Jul 9th, 2009 12:00:15 PM
I wished for a Singer directed Superman movie way before it was announced. I now kick myself twice daily. The character of Superman has always been more about action than story (unlike Batman). Giving it emotions, a kid and a stupid story photocopied from the original movie won't (and didn't) work. I say get rid of EVERYONE involved with SR. Although Routh was OK, he wasn't exactly great. For once they should stop chasing the forever-getting-younger-and-yo unger demographic and cast someone who looks more man than boy. And while they're at it, get Sam Worthington to replace Bale in the next Batman. His facial structure and body type suits much better than Bale.
One word ..... by GINGE_MUPPET	Jul 9th, 2009 12:00:23 PM
Doomsday. Give Supes somthing to actually FIGHT! SOOOOOOOOO sick of Lex.
Not ever gonna happen but: by Orbots Commander	Jul 9th, 2009 12:00:56 PM
Dream Director for a new Superman movie: Peter Jackson or Robert Zemeckis. For Actor: John Hamm Then just cast Rachel McAdams as Lois Lane and convince William Goldman to pen the screenplay, and you have a winner.
I wouldn't mind a Smallville-based movie by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 12:03:23 PM
... if they had to make something quick. I don't think such a movie would have much to do with smallville really, since it would be set after he became Superman. It would be more like a continuing adventures comic issue. Simply telling a standalone Superman story without bothering with backstory or plotting out a trilogy. And the cast of Smallville is pretty good, even when the writing isn't.
Routh is the only one I can see playing Supes by ganymede3010	Jul 9th, 2009 12:07:04 PM
He's Superman, there's no way Warner Bros will change that.
How come every time there is a Superman Thread by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI	Jul 9th, 2009 12:10:40 PM
I have to scroll through the same Superman movie ideas that Talkbackers proposed in last Superman movie thread? Yet they manage to make it sound like it's the first time this grand idea is being stated.
I'll Stlll Away Respect Hackman's Luthor by Aquatarkusman	Jul 9th, 2009 12:12:01 PM
He totally fucked Superman up in the original movie; only the quirk of Ms. Tessmacher's mother living in Hackensack saved his life.
The Future.... by Wackyal123	Jul 9th, 2009 12:12:41 PM
... lies in a rebirth. Superman, unfortunately, can never be a kick ass trilogy. It's too big a story and too much money can be made from it. They do need a new origin story though. Introduce Krypton and have us really feeling for them when they have to send Kal-el off to earth. Similarly, Smallville needs to be more in depth. Show him to be the outcast, the last son of Krypton. Again so that we feel his pain but then flip it when he realises that he can fly/leap buildings in a single bound. Then when he actually becomes superman, really show him kicking ass. It's pointless having an epic baddie (ala. Darkseid, Doomsday, Braniac) in the first movie. Better off having him struggling with his new superhero status. Saving the planet from something huge at the end. Also, maybe worth finishing the movie with a hint at the JLA... similar to Iron Man/The Incredible Hulk. A second movie can deal with a superbaddie... probably Braniac. Hint at Lex Luthor being in the background as a player manoevering people into position and setting up situations whereby his business is moving into the forefront of corporate capitalism. The third film could then show luthor running for senator/president and then helping supes save the world but for his own purposes. Then hand the show over from a good director to a bad one... similar to Batman Forever! LOL
2013 by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 12:16:38 PM
I don't get this 2013 thing. Will WB lose Superman then? Or will they just pay the Siegels/Shusters more money, since they'll hold copyright? Will they make a deal or part ways?
Mutt Williams and his quest for MANSTINK by shogunshin	Jul 9th, 2009 12:17:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/m2jaln
Chris Reeve is the only Superman to the public by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 12:19:19 PM
Get real. Routh isn't even a blip on the public's radar. They care more about Tom Welling than they do Routh. Jon Hamm would do a better job. James Caviezel would do a better job. Henry Cavill would do a better job. Matthew Boomer would do a better job. Replacing Routh is the very last thing anybody will care about in the next movie.
Good one Shia by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 12:19:31 PM

Ideal casting... by RoyComplain	Jul 9th, 2009 12:20:44 PM
Superman - James McAvoy; Lex Luthor - Daniel Day Lewis; and Lois Lane - Margot Kidder.
It amazes me by WickedJester	Jul 9th, 2009 12:23:21 PM
That in a world where they're making movies out of anything with a brand name behind it we don't have a Superman movie in development. It also amazes me that there hasn't been a good Superman movie in years (SR failed overall)..
Rushed Superman movie by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 12:23:46 PM
This is the most concerning thing. WB will want to put a movie out there as quickly and cheaply as possible. How can they do that without the movie completely sucking?
Hire those Brancato Orci guys. by The Brains	Jul 9th, 2009 12:25:53 PM

Superman rights by Mr.FTW	Jul 9th, 2009 12:26:46 PM
Siegel and Shuster were only fired after their second attempt to sue the company they sold their rights to. They were getting paid enornous amounts of money at the time,. It might seem unfair but business is business. After several attempts at suing Warners/DC agrred to give them an annual pension that they were not obligated to give them. Siegeland Shuster are both dead and it is the Siegel family just trying to cash in now. It might suck, it might be unfortunate but they aren't getting screwed.
James McAvoy is too skiny. He'll look as pathetic as Routh did by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 12:27:40 PM
For God's sake, can we just once have a muscular Superman instead of a ballerina?
I will Snatch, but I'll wear gloves, and I won't enjoy myself by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 12:27:53 PM
I'm just doing it because I'm compassionate, and you seem to want it so badly.
James McAvoy as superman by MaulVader	Jul 9th, 2009 12:30:28 PM
Carrot top will look better than James. How much is McAvoy anyway, 140, 150lbs? The suit is probably heavier.
Jon Hamm by Philvis	Jul 9th, 2009 12:31:25 PM
He is too old and too short (only 6' tall). The next Superman needs to look the part physically. Jon Hamm would be alright if you were going for an older Superman.
Drop everything about Singer's version by Movietool	Jul 9th, 2009 12:35:19 PM
If they're going to re-boot the series, they have to re-boot everything. Routh was fine with what he was given, but unfortunately he was given a director that 1)didn't care about respecting the character (super-stalker) 2)didn't care about respecting the iconography (disco-cut trunks and a leather cape that wrapped around his neck like freakin' dracula) and 3)had a script written that had nothing to do with Superman and everything to do with Singer's agenda. Please understand I really like most of Singer's work, but if he wants to explore orphan issues in his movies, he needs to understand that turning Superman from a fun action superhero to a brooding, creepy deadbeat dad was not the way to do it.
Sooo sick of a poorly played Lex Luthor by Mindtrip	Jul 9th, 2009 12:35:54 PM
Take a page out of Superman: The Animated Series and play him as a ruthless mega-tycoon. Preferably with Clancy Brown in the role. Parker Posey could take over the Lois Lane role as Bosworth sucked. Have him take on three villians like the older James Bond sometimes did: show him finishing up whaling on one guy, fill the movie up with the main badguy, finish with with luthor sayng something like,"See what you're up against?" without showing who he's talking to - but maybe the obligatory shadow - thus setting up the sequel. But basically, just make some live action versions of S:TAS because they have been the best Superman stories we've seen outside of the animated Justice League.
Bring on the Singer! by BackStJoe	Jul 9th, 2009 12:35:59 PM
The problem is that the longer they wait to lock in Bryan Singer, the better chance they have to wind up with an X3 situation. You have the BEST superhero director in your grasp, with a clear vision of the franchise, and you are going to blow it by letting him get away? Superman Returns was a masterpiece, and I'd love to see Singer return with a more action packed part 2.
New Supes movie? By 2011? No problem, I pitch to you... Superman by Zero CLU	Jul 9th, 2009 12:38:17 PM
They fly like MORONS! MST3K forever wooo!
BackStJoe was being sarcastic. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 12:38:23 PM
That HAS to be it.
Just business bullshit by shutupfanboy	Jul 9th, 2009 12:38:36 PM
They both died fairly penniless and one went blind during their fight. They have every right in the world to get the copyright back. They also have part of the copyright anyway since DC has to pay them according to the ruling. Hell, I'd sue Warner Bros on the last few seasons of Smallville, talk about devaluing a character. A Superman that can't fly or wears the costume, fuck that.
QUICK AND CHEAP SUPERMAN by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 12:38:47 PM
Does nobody else care about how rushed this movie will be?
New Supes movie? By 2011? I give you... Superman vs Pumaman! by Zero CLU	Jul 9th, 2009 12:39:32 PM
They fly like MORONS! MST3K forever wooo!
Superman Returns was... by BurnedNotice_Dude	Jul 9th, 2009 12:40:38 PM
nothing more than a remake of Superman: The Movie. It is also the first and only movie to date that checked my watch to see if it was getting close to ending.
Aloha means goodbye... by SnatchVagina	Jul 9th, 2009 12:42:04 PM
UniteThePeePee.org!
Paul Rudd for Supes... by SnatchVagina	Jul 9th, 2009 12:43:03 PM
He's a pee-pee toucher...
ZorroZ nails it - Get someone who's THICK by Movietool	Jul 9th, 2009 12:44:29 PM
I'm tired of ballerinas as well, Superman should look like Clint Walker, with a thick neck, wide chest, and broad shoulders.
I bet no movie gets made. by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 12:46:48 PM
The president of the studio said that they aren't and haven't been developing a movie and they have no script or plans. WB can spend $200 million on a movie or pay a million or so in "damages" to the Siegels for not making a movie. It's cheaper for the studio to pay damages than it is for them to make a movie.
Mcweeny the fag banned me for talking shit about the superman wr by Professor_Monster	Jul 9th, 2009 12:47:04 PM
Mcweeny was soo keen on selling that shitty Trick or Treat lump of shit made by one of those buttfuck reach around buddies of Singer - he banned me when I wrote they fucked up Superman. I'm so glad that fart bubble is gone -Hop he catches something from sucking Singer's cock
well routh is gonna get screwed over. by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN	Jul 9th, 2009 12:48:15 PM

All they have to do is get a movie in production by dec of 2011 by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 12:50:29 PM
that i hope would be a enough time to get a decent film off the ground.
REBOOT THE REBOOT by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 12:50:49 PM
And somehow, have a 'time traveling" element-and have THE ultimate actor's actor-GENE HACKMAN appear as LEX LUTHOR from the future-and he's here...(yep, you guessed it) to HELP SUPES defeat teh gay-ass spacey luthor! And throw in Mr.Mxlptlix(or whatever he fuck)-and you got me sold!!!!
BurnedNotice_Dude by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 12:52:04 PM
You didn't do that during Transformers 2. Because I did like 5 times during the last hour of that pile of shit.
SUPERMAN VS. BATMAN by Mullah Omar	Jul 9th, 2009 12:52:09 PM
I don't really like Superman as a character - too whitebread, just doesn't interest me. However, if he was essentially the white-hatted bad guy sent to bring in a misunderstood Batman, I might like it. Adapt Frank Miller. Get Bale. Profit.
Blah... by Triple_J_72	Jul 9th, 2009 12:52:50 PM
I just want them to release the rest of the Superman Filmation cartoons from the 60's on DVD, along with Batman & Robin, and yes... SUPERBOY! Come on, you guys can work things out... pleeeeeease! Us old-school DC fans aren't getting any younger!
erichaislar, by BurnedNotice_Dude	Jul 9th, 2009 12:54:41 PM
Didn't see T2. I probably would have taken a rusted spoon and gouged my eyes out.
Dream Team by badboymason	Jul 9th, 2009 12:55:41 PM
Wachowski Bros to direct, paired with a real writer, say William Goldman. And a strong Producer to keep their excesses in check...
You might as well cast Routh. by AzulTool	Jul 9th, 2009 12:56:40 PM
Because, if the movie sucks as much boner as the last one it won't matter. Hell, I wonder if the character is even relevant anymore.
REBOOT SUPERMAN SET IN THE 1930's by uberman	Jul 9th, 2009 12:58:04 PM
Make it a period peice. Reduce his powers to what he ORIGINALLY possessed, not the ultra-God like powers he has in later incarnations. You can thank me later, Hollywood.
Give it to the guys who did Crank by Kief_Ledger	Jul 9th, 2009 01:01:58 PM
Make this Superman movie completely fucking nuts.
i dug Superman Returns. by smudgewhat	Jul 9th, 2009 01:02:56 PM
some aspects of it were brilliant. the idea that Superman would feel this huge weight of all the world's problems b/c he can't block them out was interesting, and modern. they never would have tackled that in the original run. Routh did a great job. Not even flinching while being shot in the eye - cool. The airplane save - awesome. Emotional. Lex and his lackeys beating the tar out of Supes once they've got him on the kryptonite island. BRUTAL. it was really savage and nasty. upped the stakes of the Supes/Lex dynamic by putting them on equal grounds. did i think it was perfect - no. but i never understood people saying it sucked.
ROUTH GETTING SCREWD OVER WAS HOW HE GOT THE JOB by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 01:04:29 PM
Cowbell, He can't complain about the screwing now, because Singer and his gay writers already taxed his ass.
Jon Hamm is Superman by SnowDogs	Jul 9th, 2009 01:04:30 PM
Whoever thought The Rock should be Superman should be shot--what a stupid-ass idea. Might as well cast Hulk Hogan. Put Jon Hamm in the role he was born to play, and make the story about a villain with earth-ruling or earth-destroying ambitions. Give us real action and real humor and make it about "Truth, Justice and the American Way." Stop with the ridiculous PC nonsense. Superman is a red-blooded American male with no ambiguity, regardless of the planet he came from. Just stop all this pussyfooting around and make a badass Superman film.
i also like the idea of making the Dark Knight follow up... by smudgewhat	Jul 9th, 2009 01:06:10 PM
a Supes vs. Batman film a la Frank Miller. how do you up the stakes after the Joker? Supes v. Batman would do it.
Somebody ,ade th crazy-ass suggestion... by wookie1972	Jul 9th, 2009 01:06:48 PM
of getting the Coens to do it as a 30s/40s period piece. I'm all for it. They work fast, they can do comedy, and they can do action. I like Hamm but I think he's just a tad too old. He did make a fantastic Luthor in the Funny Or Die video. Maybe Gosling, now that he's not in the running for Green Lantern?
Also, Jon Hamm was born to play Rueben Flagg by wookie1972	Jul 9th, 2009 01:07:44 PM
Too bad they could never make a movie of it. Maybe a miniseries.
Oh, Kumar, please! Stop. Please don't. Stop. Ow! by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 01:08:57 PM

"Truth, Justice, and ... all that stuff" by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 01:09:25 PM
Brought to you by writers who sucked off Singer to get their jobs. Did Singer do everything on SR via the casting couch? It appears so.
Superman Returns is a TERRIFIC FILM by TheMcflyFarm	Jul 9th, 2009 01:10:39 PM
It is so, for I am fact incarnate.
Superman does not exist by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 01:11:13 PM
in Nolan's dojo.
Hamm and his jawline for Superman by Yawkey	Jul 9th, 2009 01:11:22 PM
Also, they really need to cast an actual woman as Lois. Everyone agrees that Bosworth was too young for the role but then I'm reading suggestions for Kristen Bell? I like Veronica Mars fine, but no. Let's get Carla Gugino. Or how about Tricia Helfer? Or if we're just going full Mad Men-y, Christina Hendricks. A full-grown woman that looks like she would have won a Pulitzer.
All Star Superman by fat bears	Jul 9th, 2009 01:12:07 PM
No need for a reboot or a new origin. Grant Morrison covered everything you need in just 4 panels. I'm not saying to make a movie direct from All Star Superman, but that's where I'd start (once I got Jon Hamm cast and started beefing him up). Superman v. Bizarro with an assist by Zibarro! Superman v. Jimmy "Doomsday" Olsen! Superman v. Super Lex Luthor! Superman v. Paranoid Lois Lane! Give us Silver Age Superman, with a script written by Grant Morrison please. Oh, and whoever said Anne Hathaway and Stellan Skarsgaard for Lois and Lex is a fucking genius.
NIX THIS SHIT! by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 01:12:22 PM
FUCKING NIX SINGER-he's toast!done!ave him make GAY GLAM ROCK MOVIES(OR SOMETHING THAT He's suited for)-keep him the fuck away from superman.Let Lawrence(i am legende ,etc) direct.And ditch spacey-SUPERMAN NEEDS A PROPER VILLIAN. and DITCH THE KID-I DON'T WANNA SEE any of that bullshit.
dear hollywood, by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 01:13:22 PM
don't fuck this up. regards -IDRINKYOURMILKSHAKE
Superman Returns was really good. by Keith Maniac	Jul 9th, 2009 01:14:23 PM
I find it improves with each subsequent viewing. Routh was perfect, change him and you've fucked it. It amuses me how the film put its characters and story before action and fx, which is without doubt the biggest gripe most fans seem to air about comic book adaptions, yet SR gets constantly slated for being too lite in the action department. I mean, come on, it couldnt possibly be because every single, miserable year we have to listen to moaning fuckers who say they never get what they want, despite clearly not having the slightest fucking notion what that is, could it ? NAAAAAAH
Bosworth looked like a young boy in drag by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 01:14:30 PM
Exactly how Singer, Routh, and writers wanted her to look.
Maybe the casting of Robert Downey will swade WB by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 01:16:01 PM
To cast a older actor like Jon Hamm. Wishful thinking.
Routh had few lines - was his mouth too full of cock? by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 01:17:11 PM
Why didn't they trust him to do any dialogue?
Fuck all Superman Returns haters. by HoboCode	Jul 9th, 2009 01:17:57 PM
It's no wonder we get horseshit like Bayformers, Wolverine, and T4 when you douche's don't like or repect superhero films that are actually fucking good. The movie kicked ass. The jet sequence kicked unholy amounts of ass, the special effects and cinematography were astounding, Routh was PERFECT, the humor was smart and engaging, the acting all around was solid, the kid saving his mom kicked ass, and the story was great. you dumbasses complaining about Luthor's "real estate scheme" are beyond annoying. I wouldn't call destroying a continent to build a new continent and killing billions of people in the process a fucking real estate scheme. And god damn didn't you guys just get fucking choked up when Supes gets his ass kicked, and after being saved by the woman he loves, rises up above the clouds to regenerate his powers anew and goes back to lift the entire fucking continent, despite the creeping paralyzing shards of Kryptonite, and save billions of people? That is epic powerful movie making at its finest.
HoboCode by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 01:19:20 PM
Right on sir.
De-Power Superman by Crimson Dynamo	Jul 9th, 2009 01:20:43 PM
He's way too powerful. In the old Fleischer cartoons, there was a sense of gravity and heaviness apparent when Superman stopped a train or lifted a girder - in SR, he could lift continents and take gunshots right to the eye.
animated by Dradis Contact	Jul 9th, 2009 01:20:59 PM
Why not make an animated superman movie? Would that not count?
Reginald VelJohnson as Superman! by scriptgirl_nipples	Jul 9th, 2009 01:21:42 PM
PLEASE!
come on hobocode by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 01:21:58 PM
this film was soooo boring.And why have "superman"-a man who can fly, shoot lasers from his eyes, posseses super strength and near invulnerability-and have go toe-to-toe with Lex Luthor? Come on! We all want to see SUPERMAN fight a super-villian.And the fact that Singer mae him into a stalker fucking pissed me off. He's superman, don't make him some downtrodden loser.That's NOT superman.And Lex Luthor is beyong lame-iagre bout his "nefarious plot".It was lame.He should';ve rebooted it and at least have tried to add something fresh-not re-hash donner's outdated version. Why? Because the same shit is boring!
HoboCode by fat bears	Jul 9th, 2009 01:22:28 PM
A lot of Superman Returns was really well done, most of it covered in an earlier post by smudgewhat (the jet, constant awareness of others' suffering, etc.). But some of it deserved to be hated. Luthor was great, until his scheme was to create a new land mass to... have a new land mass I guess. It's not like he was in a position to take advantage of having a whole new continent. It was a stupid scheme that didn't make sense on any level. And when the villain of a superhero cartoon sucks the whole movie fails, no matter how good certain bits were.
Even when Routh's mouth wasn't full of cock and he got lines by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 01:22:45 PM
He said them badly. He's just a wooden actor. Witness how his career has taken off in the three years since SR.
Michael Cera is Superman by iownyou	Jul 9th, 2009 01:23:38 PM
for real
agree with Hobo by smudgewhat	Jul 9th, 2009 01:24:09 PM
i forgot to mention how affecting it was when he lifted the island. that was amazing. what good is action in a movie if there are no emotional stakes? then yes, you get exquisite garbage like Transformers. Singer's X-men films are excellent b/c of the emotion set-up. remember that scene with Wolvie & Rogue on the train - perfect. then Magneto crashes the party and holds Wolvie in the air. it's TERRIFYING b/c of the emotional stakes.
Superman Returns by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 01:24:31 PM
I've said this a million times, but the whole movie should have been like the airplane sequence. That would have been beyond awesome instead Singer chose to wave a carrot in front of our faces.
by fat bears	Jul 9th, 2009 01:25:10 PM
er, that is... Luthor's speech about greedy gods keeping their technology to themselves was great. When Spacey was given good lines to deliver he delivered his lines good. But stupid stupid old woman sex, and Miss Tessmacher v.2, and his scheme were all so lame...
Hobo was choked up. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 01:26:07 PM
I can't belittle him, though I may want to. I got choked up at the end of ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES when they killed the imposter chimp baby. Still. Choked up? Pussy!
Dradis Contact, that is a very good question by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 01:26:57 PM
I bet an animated Superman movie - in theaters - would fulfill the legal requirements. Maybe we'll something as kickass as Batman: Mask of the Phantasm?
subtitles_off.... by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 01:27:52 PM
i admit...twas funny!
animated supes by fat bears	Jul 9th, 2009 01:28:20 PM
ew, as long as it doesn't suck as hard as Superman: Doomsday. Blech
Hey, the end of Escape from the Planet of the Apes WAS sad by D.Vader	Jul 9th, 2009 01:30:45 PM
They fucking killed Cornelius and Zira! AND shot that poor baby chimp! Damn that movie was hardcore.
Just let Singer do his Wrath of Khan by venvariants	Jul 9th, 2009 01:31:52 PM
The man knows what he did wrong. Not letting Singer do his action-packed Supes because of Superman Returns is like not letting Raimi do Spidey 4 because of Spider-Man 3. Give me a break - it's Bryan Singer, people...he'll make up for it!!
Supes Returns had a difficult mission... by smudgewhat	Jul 9th, 2009 01:32:12 PM
it had to reboot the story - so you need a lot of exposition on WHO Supes is in this version. but then of course you need the action that engages that part of the audience. Singer even said that for the 2nd movie they'd look at a villian who was more equivalent to Supes in powers. i thought that would be perfect follow up. maybe some dude born on New Krypton floating out there in space. also, there was no way you can't have Lex in your reboot - he's the iconic villian, even if he's a little lame as a character. that presents story problems too. ok, i'm done talking now.
Poorly thought out Superman Returns was itself a rush job by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 01:32:15 PM
After McG flaked out, WB got tired of the development tries and rubber stamped any half-assed thing Singer put in front of them just to get any Superman movie done. It's why the plot makes no sense and how the hideous suit got approval.
Singer and Routh's contracts have expired because by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 01:34:48 PM
WB is done with them and you'll never see either on Superman again. It's not that hard to figure out. Good riddance anyway.
reboot the reboot of th reboot. by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 01:36:19 PM
nuf said!
Aw Hell Naw! by ackack	Jul 9th, 2009 01:38:02 PM

Zack Galafinakis IS SUPERMAN by JoeSixPack	Jul 9th, 2009 01:38:13 PM
The first bearded and out of shape Supes!
just make the SMALLVILLE film by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 01:39:08 PM
and let tom welling shine. WE ALREADY know he can pull it off.And you know-The show is pretty decent.
Sorry by TedKordLives	Jul 9th, 2009 01:39:25 PM
I get what Singer was going for, but I didn't like SR. I need to see Superman fight someone. I need to see Superman throw a friggin punch, not end up in situations that enable him to showcase his varied powers. And, if you only have one weakness, it should be fucking debilitating. You should not be able to lift an ISLAND made of your weakness into orbit. Bah. Time to jettison Donner's approach and start anew.
Make it a "reboot" sequel... by MCVamp	Jul 9th, 2009 01:40:00 PM
Elements of the old with new. Luthor "reformed" with a government pardon. Starts Cadmus to protect against superhuman threats. Creates Bizarro. Re-creates Kryptonian crystals and Phantom Zone projector from photographic memory with help from paroled and de-powered Zod. Kid is zapped into Phantom Zone, saving Superman. Brainiac arrives after detecting massive amounts of Kryptonian soil in solar system (the island from SR.) Reveal: Brainiac accellerated the end of Krypton. Zod is turned into Doomsday. Superman fights and dies. Brainiac takes control of Doomsday, Bizarro, and essentially Earth. Lex of all people leads a resistance and is forced to revive Superman. Superman fights Bizarro and Doomsday while Lex goes after Brainiac. Things go bad until the Kid somehow returns as a 20-year old and...WELL? GET TO IT, DAMMIT.
Why waste money? by SenatorJeffersonSmith	Jul 9th, 2009 01:40:39 PM
When you could easily have Hamm play Supes AND Luthor
Animated Superman movie by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 01:40:43 PM
Wow, that is something that never occurred to me. That probably would cover the legal contract. It would also cost less than a two hundred million dollar movie. That is some real out of the box thinking.
The best part of Superman Returns by ufoclub1977	Jul 9th, 2009 01:40:45 PM
was the falling plane sequence... and that's not part of the main plot, or the climax... or even a character turning point, therefore that movie is not very well made. But I never really thought any of Bryan Singer's movies showed signs of a complete skilled filmmaker, he's really good with certain details and little parts.
"THE DARK KNIGHT and the MAN OF STEEL" by JDanielP	Jul 9th, 2009 01:42:24 PM
It has a ring to it. :-)
Rashida Jones as Lois Lane by Ironhorse	Jul 9th, 2009 01:43:19 PM
She can be tough, vulnerable and quirky. She has the personality to pick up Lois Lane where Margot Kidder left it. Parks and Recreation isn't giving her enough to do. Jones and Routh would have an interesting chemistry together.
"SUPERMAN in GOTHAM CITY" by JDanielP	Jul 9th, 2009 01:44:19 PM
Hmmmm....
Spacey was lame as Lex by MaulVader	Jul 9th, 2009 01:44:30 PM
Lex is supposed to be from the top echelon of the human race. He is the arch nemesis of SUPERMAN. The animated series got it just right. The live action version however, gave us a moron, surrounded by bigger morons, getting insulted by super-moronic girlfriend on a regular basis. The only way Siinger should be allowed back with any of the other cast is if he addresses the following issues: (1) What did Luis tell the world about her child's father. Did she tell Marsden he is the daddy? A Maury (You're NOT the father) Povich episode should do the trick. (2) How is Supes handling child support with his measly reporter salary. Was he selling high-risk mortgages on the side.
smudgewhat and hobocode re: supes asskicking by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 01:44:47 PM
Watch that scene again where Routh gets beat up. Spacey stabbing him from behind was shot like Luthor just pulled a Ned Beatty from DELIVERANCE on Routh and assraped him wearing a sandpaper condom with no lube. "Squeel like a pig for me, boy! Wheeeeeeee!" But maybe that's what you guys liked about it right? As far as the epic lifing of the continent, yeah, one little tiny shard of kyptonite completely kicks Superman's ass but a whole island full of the green shit inches from his face? NO PROB! Biiiiiiitccccchhhh, plleeaaseeee........
I don't really care about Harry's Potter by Series7	Jul 9th, 2009 01:47:15 PM
But why is there no review for it? Hopefully Rupert will die of the Swine flu.
Damn, MCVamp: by TedKordLives	Jul 9th, 2009 01:48:33 PM
That's pretty fucking good. I'd see that movie 12 times in the theater. If they let me direct it. ZombieHeathLedger: Exactly.
for those of you who thought routh was too young by mr. smith	Jul 9th, 2009 01:49:24 PM
reeve was the same age in Superman. look it up.
News broke that Routh wasn't Superman anymore on July4 by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 01:49:36 PM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA!
Re: for those of you who thought routh was too young by MaulVader	Jul 9th, 2009 01:50:40 PM
Its about how the person looks, not what their birth certificate says.
How will Singer get his dick sucked if he can't do a sequel? by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 01:52:18 PM
You know the diseased rodent face isn't getting any action if he can't cast them as leading man or writer.
fat bears by Tash226	Jul 9th, 2009 01:52:20 PM
That was me. I've always thought Anne Hathaway was perfectly fit to be Lois Lane. She looks like the comic incarnation, she can play the tough reporter role and the starstuck/in-love role perfectly. As for Skarsgaard, I first saw him in Generation Kill, but when I saw an episode of True Blood, he really stood out. Seemed like he had that balanced evil-for-his-own-good-intentio ns part down to an art. blackshuck - I had Malkovich for Brainiac because I see Brainiac as more of a "Wizard of OZ" man behind the curtain type of role. Malkovich's voice would be perfect for that omnipotient role. If they did want to go full casting, and not just a voice, how about Ben Foster? I dug him in 30 Days of Night & Alpha Dog, plus his psycho-shtick in Hostage was pretty good too.
Nic Cage as a middle aged alcoholic Supes by Kankennon	Jul 9th, 2009 01:53:00 PM
The guy named his kid KAL-EL. Throw him a bone quick, before he decides to make Ghost Rider 2.
Bring back Routh, scuttle the remaining cast & crew by YackBacker	Jul 9th, 2009 01:54:23 PM
Bosworth was worthless. Spacey sucked. And no more Singer (obviously). For the next movie, have Superman realize he was in an alternate dimension in the last fliuck (SR)- that he really doesn't have a kid and that Lois Lane really does weigh more than 80 lbs.
Anne Hathaway by Kankennon	Jul 9th, 2009 01:55:25 PM
...as Lex Luthor! Now THAT'S genius casting!
Would alcohol even affect Superman? by RobertBaron	Jul 9th, 2009 01:57:44 PM

I think Merrick is exactly right. by Rev. Slappy	Jul 9th, 2009 02:00:13 PM
I don't hate Returns but it's big flaw is it was too beholden to the Donner films. An homage would have been okay. Instead it became a rehash. Singer should have tipped his hat to the original and then done his own thing. Abrams' Star Trek is an example of how Singer should have approached Superman.
Give Welling the cape... by I AM ROCKO	Jul 9th, 2009 02:00:57 PM
...the best episodes of Smallville are soooo much better than Superman Returns its untrue- hell even the weak episodes (and there have been a lot) are better than SR- which although noble, and great to look at, lacked something. Routh was fine, but did not have much to do either as Supes or Clark Kent. Bosworth- miscast, Durrance is the perfect Lois Lane and super hot...in the last three seasons Welling has been acting, looking and well being Superman more than ever. The show is the longest running Superman based TV series in the history of the character- just fucking do it. For me Superman 1 and 2 are gold, the rest of movies not so much. The Animated Show was great and Justice League good, but need a real kick arse movie again. And yes note to Singer, the only thing you should take from the Donner movies- the main Superman theme. Bosh.
Routh was probably tired of sucking Singer's dick by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 02:01:40 PM
so was happy when Singer got the boot.
All this means is... by Logan_1973	Jul 9th, 2009 02:01:52 PM
They're going to rush things into production, preceded by a slap-job script. 2011 is not that far away.
MICHAEL MOORE ANNOUNCES NEW FILM (link) by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 02:04:51 PM
called "CAPITALISM: A LOVE STORY" http://tinyurl.com/mh3nfh
Rashida Jones for Lois is a GREAT choice by D.Vader	Jul 9th, 2009 02:04:57 PM
Plus, she's hot.
del toro by comx	Jul 9th, 2009 02:13:02 PM
Whats gonna happen is Smallville will end in 2010 with the "Metropolis" TV movie and then Tom Welling will be in the 2011 film. I'm hoping its Darkseid story with Guillermo Del Toro directing.
Isn't Guillermo Del Toro... by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 9th, 2009 02:14:50 PM
kind of busy for awhile?
rogueleader66 by AsimovLives	Jul 9th, 2009 02:15:59 PM
Hey, friend. I really agree with what you said in your very early post above. I think you pointed out very well that the real problem with superman Returns was not the cast, not the directing itself, but that it was just too slavish to the Donner's movie. I still think that Routh was a brillant choice as Superman and Kevin spacey was pretty good as well as Lex Luthior. In fact, he did something that Gene Hackman never did as Lex: he made him scary. Spacey as Lex was both funny but also scary. He was indeed a villain, not just some lame comedy foil for Superman. In fact, the thing i dislike the most about Donner's original movie is the bloody lame weak unfunny comedy. As for Kate Bosworth as Louis Lane, it's like Katie Holmes as Rachael Dawes in Batman Begins: i don't hate them, i don't have a problem with them, but they don't set the world on fire for me either.
Reeve was the same age, but he looked like a man. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 02:16:55 PM
Routh looked like a very pretty, very pretty, skinny boy. In a ridiculous speedskater suit. With a girl's skin and eyelashes.
No Welling, either. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 02:17:30 PM
That shit is played out.
SR was a good followup to Supe 2 by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 02:17:49 PM
i dont have a prob with Superman returns..i was entertained by it and i loved the quiet moments in the film.. what the fuck???--the same people who are blasting this film for it not having enough action are the same people who are blasting Transformers 2 for having TOO much action...pick a side ladies. and enjoy your mindless Bay flicks..Singer rocks. it doesnt have to be wall to wall mindless action. the first 2 werent!
Alcoholism to Superman by Kankennon	Jul 9th, 2009 02:18:00 PM
Goldschläger with little flecks of Kryptonite instead of Gold. That should do the trick. He'd be an alKAL-ELic! Hurky durky DUR!!!
Lois Lane by AsimovLives	Jul 9th, 2009 02:19:32 PM
I believe that Lois Lane should be older then Clark Kent/Superman. As in, aparent age, since Superman himself was born much, much before Lois, but i think you get my meaning. I think Lois should always look more mature then Kent.
Paul Giamatti as.. by snomusic	Jul 9th, 2009 02:19:37 PM
Superman! OK, maybe Mr. Myxlplyx...
Superman: Back by contractual obligation! by Clavius	Jul 9th, 2009 02:19:47 PM
When a studio is legally forced to produce a film then... You will believe a movie can suck.
Six Demon Bag by AsimovLives	Jul 9th, 2009 02:22:07 PM
Hi friend, how are you. Yeah, i share the same puzzlement as you do. i give credit to Bryan Singer for trying to make a smart, calmer comic movie, which could live off as much from the dramatic moments as from the action. Basially, it was him following the same mould and style as Spider-Man 2, Batman Begins, and the terribly underrated Ang Lee's Hulk.
And don't forget X-Men 2 by AsimovLives	Jul 9th, 2009 02:22:54 PM
Bascially, Singer made his superman movie in the same style as his X-Men movies. Which is a way i fully endorse.
I agree that Superman Returns was awful by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 02:24:20 PM
Who the hell wanted a Superman movie based on BabyMama drama? I'm glad Warner Bros let go everybody connected to that movie.
ZZZZ. Put this franchise to bed by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 02:29:03 PM
With all these directors, we still haven't had a decent Superman film since 1978.
It's amazing how the public has forgotten the movie even happene by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 02:30:40 PM
Whenever the subject of Superman on film comes up, I have to remind people that there even was a movie three years ago. Most people have genuinely forgotten. That's mindblowing when you think about it. An over $200M mass marketed film came out about a huge pop culture icon, and nobody even remembers the event.
ZombieHeathLedger by HoboCode	Jul 9th, 2009 02:32:09 PM
Yeah, douche, and it nearly killed him. Or did you not watch the movie?
Giamatti as Mr. Mxyzptlk is inspired casting by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 02:33:30 PM
Well done, Snomusic...
darn title cutoff by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 02:33:43 PM
It's amazing how the public has forgotten the movie even happened.
The Superman franchise is so spotty by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 02:35:39 PM
Why do the directors of this thing go for cute and cheesy all the time? Superman isn't cute and cheesy.
HoboCode by fat bears	Jul 9th, 2009 02:37:05 PM
When he landed on that island all it took was shove from Luthor and down he went. And then he was beaten. And stabbed. And thrown off a cliff. And drowned. And then he had the strength to pick up an entire land mass of the stuff that made him so weak that a shove could knock him over? It lacks internal consistency and is teh stoopid. STOOPID.
Superman 3 FTW! by TedKordLives	Jul 9th, 2009 02:38:43 PM
Stack O' Tires! Flickin' peanuts at supersonic speeds! Robert Vaughn! Computer Lady! Skyscraper Skiing! Tar! Squeezing Coal into a Diamond! Is there anything Superman 3 didn't deliver on?
They should set Superman in the 40s by GornPirate	Jul 9th, 2009 02:38:48 PM
Like the old Superman animated cartoons. Superman is just to good and pure for the modern jaded/cynical era. Go retro with it or completely reimagine him for the modern age. Superman as is just doesn't work in the modern era on in a live action film for me.
Bring in Lobo by baaba_pappa	Jul 9th, 2009 02:40:18 PM
and just make it total carnage, let superman be exciting!
I hope Ratner gets the new Superman movie, so by CreasyBear	Jul 9th, 2009 02:43:01 PM
it will suck just like Singer's did, or even worse, and then big-budget tentpole funds can go to something other than such a boring superhero. Apologies to Jerry Seinfeld, Superman's biggest fan. Wait a sec . . . Jerome Seinfeld. J.S. What's that co-creator's name again? Hmm.
oh and if it's full of action by baaba_pappa	Jul 9th, 2009 02:43:16 PM
no shakycam!!! I'd hate if they filmed a superman with that stupid fucking 'technique'
Routh by ReelMan	Jul 9th, 2009 02:45:24 PM
Bring him back! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =SRZmqwDsY0k
SUPERMAN RETURNS was critically acclaimed by TTMan	Jul 9th, 2009 02:47:14 PM
SUPERMAN RETURNS PG-13 -By Kevin Lally For movie details, please click here. Nearly 20 years since the unfortunate Superman IV: The Quest for Peace brought its hit franchise to an embarrassing halt, Warner Bros. has finally resurrected the comics' enduring Man of Steel in high style, thanks largely to the blockbuster smarts of X-Men director Bryan Singer. Newcomer Brandon Routh proves an admirable successor (and bears a strong resemblance) to the late, beloved Christopher Reeve in the title role of Superman Returns, and the 21st-century visual effects improve on the thrills delivered by Richard Donner's 1978 feature and its antic 1980 successor. Singer and screenwriters Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris (X2) clearly have high regard for those earlier hits, since Superman Returns, in tone and content, plays like their long-lost sequel. In this case, it's a mere five years since the last adventure, a period in which Superman has abandoned his earthly duties after astronomers discovered signs of his home planet, Krypton. Following an explosion in space, the former Kal-El crash-lands back at the family farm and reassumes his guise as fumbling Daily Planet reporter Clark Kent, startled by the news that his abiding crush, star reporter Lois Lane, is now engaged to editor Perry White's nephew Richard and has a young son. In the meantime, Superman's nemesis, the power-hungry Lex Luthor, has been released from prison because the superhero missed his parole hearing, and has acquired new capital by wooing a dying heiress (a neat cameo by the '50s TV Lois, Noel Neill). Lex finds his way to Superman's fortress of solitude and purloins powerful crystals with the potential to change the topography of the Earth. As is her wont, Lois investigates the strange disruptions Lex's activity has caused and winds up once again in the clutches of the diabolical villain, awaiting rescue from her supernatural savior. For much of its length, Superman Returns is light on its feet while maintaining an unashamed earnestness about its comic-book mythology. The scenes at the Daily Planet keep a retro feel in a more modern setting and are energized by the presence of Frank Langella as an authoritative but slightly addled Perry and the puppy-dog charm of Sam Huntington as ever-eager young reporter Jimmy Olsen. Kevin Spacey, who won an Oscar in Singer's The Usual Suspects, hams it up brilliantly as Lex, who takes absolute joy in his lethal monomania, and indie queen Parker Posey steals all of her relatively brief screen time as Lex's dizzy and morally vacant moll, Kitty Kowalski. Singer readily admits that his film is a "chick flick," with its Superman-Lois-Richard triangle, and while that strategy may broaden his demographic, the soap-opera elements are the weakest aspect of the movie and add to its excessive running time. Kate Bosworth (here a brunette) has a patrician beauty as Lois and Routh is model-handsome, but their scenes together are more Aaron Spelling than classic Hollywood. The film is so caught up in the angst of their relationship, it doesn't bring enough fresh twists to the Superman legend, aside from the question of the true paternity of Lois' little boy. Despite an attenuated finale, Singer has crafted a generally exciting and dazzling entertainment. The best set-piece arrives in the first half-hour, as Lex's experiments create a power outage that wreaks havoc on a space-shuttle launch and Superman races to rescue Lois and the other passengers on the seemingly doomed plane accompanying the shuttle-leading to the most spectacular photo-op any superhero's publicist could wish for. Routh is clearly up to the physical demands of a sequence like this, and he has a disarming comic presence as Clark, very much in the same spirit as Reeve. The kid has charisma, even if he's sometimes made up and lit like a Madame Tussaud's wax figure. Cinematographer Newton Thomas Sigel, production designer Guy Hendrix Dyas and the visual-effects team all do top-of-the-line work on this consistently lavish production-an auspicious and overdue return for an icon who's been gratifying audiences since 1938. At the end of Superman II, the producers promised "Coming Soon: Superman III." It has taken 26 years for that promise to be fulfilled. To be sure, there were movies in the 1980s called Superman III and Superman IV, but those were bad jokes masquerading as motion pictures, unimaginative stories cashing in on a pay-day. These many years later, Bryan Singer has gotten it right. In fact, Superman Returns is not only a credit to the first two Superman movies; it may be the best of the series. Its combination of romance and fantasy adventure is unparalleled in superhero comic book-to-movie sagas. What differentiates Superman Returns from the average superhero movie is its focus on the love story between Superman (Brandon Routh) and Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth). If you think Mary Jane and Peter Parker are star crossed, they've got nothing on this couple. Of course, the Lois/Superman pairing has never been simple. Clark Kent has always been lurking around. Now, there are further complications. With Superman having been away from Earth for the better part of a half-decade, Lois has moved on in a big way. She has a son, Jason (Tristan Leabu), and a boyfriend, Richard (James Marsden), although she resolutely refuses to marry him. Maybe it has something to do with the man of her dreams. Some may not appreciate the amount of screen time devoted to these characters and their romantic interaction but, for me, it provides balance. Suddenly, Superman Returns has more to offer than a megalomaniac seeking world dominion -although it has that as well. When last we saw Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey), he was played by Gene Hackman and was off to prison. So, like Superman, he has been out of the spotlight for a while. He's "yesterday's news." Once free, however, he is more determined than ever to make his mark on the face of the globe. He visits Superman's Fortress of Solitude and pilfers all the crystals. With these, he intends to create a new continent and destroy a few of the old ones in the process. Superman, newly returned from a futile outer space search for other survivors from Krypton, will (of course) oppose his old nemesis, but this time Luthor is ready for him. Revenge is a dish served cold, with Kryptonite icing. Superman's return to once again aid mankind may be short-lived. Gone are Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, and Gene Hackman. It's a credit to their replacements that they're not missed, at least within the context of the film. Brandon Routh channels his predecessor, although his version of Clark is a little less gawky. Kate Bosworth provides an altogether different take on Lois - a sexier, more modern view. She's prettier than Kidder, and there's more chemistry in her scenes with her co-star. Kevin Spacey's Luthor is cut from the same mold as Hackman's, except he's more cruel and less flippant. He has his share of one-liners but, when it comes down to it, he doesn't waste time with drawn-out monologues. That's when he's at his most brutal. There are no miscasts to be found in the supporting cast, either. Parker Posey's Kitty fills the function of Miss Teschmacher - Luthor's female stooge who has a soft spot for the Man of Steel. James Marsden, following director Bryan Singer to Metropolis from Professor X's school, has the tricky role of playing the foil in Lois and Superman's romance without coming across as a jerk. Richard is a nice guy. Eva Marie Saint plays Clark's Earth mother, who gets to find her son and almost lose him again. The only returning cast member from the original Superman is Marlon Brando, with archival footage recreating his limited part as Jor-El, Superman's biological father. For those who go to superhero movies for the action, rest assured there's plenty of that. While the extended climactic sequence is the movie's longest and most involved, I was partial to the rescue of a space shuttle and airplane, which heralds the Man of Steel's return to his adopted planet. It's a great moment, filled with tension, and topped off with top-notch special effects. Visually, Superman Returns offers the kind of upgrade one would expect after a quarter century layoff. This time, you really believe a man can fly. Composer John Ottman puts his ego aside and gives John Williams' original music plenty of play. Singer provides us with a blast from the past with opening credits. Not only is the music 100% Williams, but the lettering nearly replicates that which was used in Superman and Superman II. There are other unobtrusive homages to the first two films, from Lois' spelling faux pas to Luthor's love of maps. Singer may not be a fan of the Superman comic books, but his affection for and knowledge of what Richard Donner brought to the screen is evident. Superman Returns clocks in at a fat 157 minutes, but I hardly noticed the passage of time. The movie had me enthralled from opening to closing. One could easily argue that Singer used his time in the X-Men universe as an opportunity to hone his superhero movie skills. Superman Returns is near the top - if not at the top - of the superhero movie pile. It offers nearly everything: romance, action, humor, and plenty of goose bumps. For Superman, many happy returns.
SUPERMAN RETURNS rave review by TTMan	Jul 9th, 2009 02:48:11 PM
Superman Returns Warner Bros. // PG-13 // June 27, 2006 Review by Brian Orndorf \| posted June 26, 2006 \| E-mail the Author \| Discuss C O N T E N T R E P L A Y A D V I C E DVD Talk Collector Series E - M A I L this review to a friend P R I N T Printer Friendly After a five-year journey into the deep reaches of space to find remnants of his home planet of Krypton, Superman (Brandon Routh) has arrived back on Earth to reassess his place in a world that has learned to survive without his help. Returning to his Daily Planet reporter job as alter ego Clark Kent, he discovers that the love of his life, Lois Lane (nicely played by Kate Bosworth), has a new fiancé (James Marsden) and a young son. Frustrated, Superman attempts to reconcile with Lane, but their relationship is put on hold when supervillian Lex Luthor (Kevin Spacey) reveals his ultimate plan of destructive global repositioning (using Kryptonian crystal technology) that threatens to kill billions unless he can be stopped. "Superman Returns" will be condemned by some for audaciously cribbing from the immortal 1978 Richard Donner feature film (the production says they're using it as a "vague history") that took the Man of Steel to the next level of worldwide popularity. I look at "Returns" as the sequel Donner's film so richly deserved but was consistently denied. Director Bryan Singer has proven himself confident and steadfast with his recent superhero adventures ("X-Men" and the flawless "X2"), but here he's made a unapologetic valentine to the picture that helped shape his sensibilities as an emerging filmmaker, and he's given spectacular new purpose to a character and franchise the silver screen has missed for decades now. It's nothing short of a superhero masterpiece. The Donner tributes are sprinkled throughout the film (even the deceased Marlon Brando is resurrected briefly as Jor-El, Superman's dad), starting with opening titles that streak across the screen in the same 3-D design they did back in 1978, scored to composer John Ottman's celebratory reworking of John Williams's timeless theme. Ottman intermixes Williams's score in several essential places, but instead of sensing bitter thievery has taken place, Singer uses these callbacks as an emotional touchstone; shrewdly using the older music to instantly put the audience right back into the soaring feeling of flight and unabashed heroism. Also disarming is newcomer Brandon Routh, who has the regrettable challenge of filling the beloved red boots of Christopher Reeve while also embodying a Superman for a younger generation who might not know the enchantment of Donner's film. Physically a perfect match for Reeve (sometimes unsettlingly so), Routh is given a wide berth by Singer to find his own voice for the character, and the young actor couldn't be better in the role. He captures every iconic Superman trait from bullet-swatting brawn to Smallville corn field simplicity with the same effortlessness that made Reeve a rightful legend in the genre. The same could be said of Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor. Miles away from Gene Hackman's habitually comedic reading of the role, Spacey turns Lex into an exasperated madman, blood-thirsty for revenge and seething with real-estate greed. Softened slightly by his girlfriend Kitty (Parker Posey, doing dimwit delightfully), "Returns" puts the menace back into Lex, and his final showdown with Superman is a frightful one that bangs horrifically with five long years of pent up fury. This isn't camp acting from Spacey; this is comic book villainy at its most cunning and cocksure. Much like the "X-Men" series, Singer doesn't merely take the idea of superheroes seriously; he's willing to plunge to the depths of their darkest fears and profound human yearnings. "Returns" is surely chock full of jaw-dropping special effect set-pieces (one doozy features Supes trying to save a plummeting jet with Lois aboard from crashing into a baseball stadium), but while all the pricey eye candy fills the belly with tremendous satisfaction (the towering CGI and time warp production design here are the cat's meow), Superman's heartbreaking character arc is what ultimately drives the film. Singer and his screenwriters (Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris) take special care fleshing out Superman/Clark Kent. He's a man who took off without a goodbye to find himself, only to discover his adopted home makes him feel even more alien when he returns. The outsider theme is touched on throughout the film as Superman comes to terms with the love he lost and the world that has figured out how to live without his helpful watch. Routh plays these difficult beats extraordinarily well, imparting Clark with a humbling deep-seated regret and Superman a critical emotional vulnerability: he can stop bullets and save millions in the blink of an eye, but the sight of Lois with a human life he's unable participate in is an emotional barrier he's powerless to overcome. Singer isn't worried about showing the pure balletic grace of Superman's bravery, especially with a hefty technological upgrade from the 1978 film that's used to dazzling effect, but the moments that penetrate are the ones probing the isolation that matures gradually around Superman during the course of the picture. Blessed with an epic length of 150 minutes, "Returns" balances the various storylines with consideration, cutting back and forth between Lex's murderous ambitions and Superman's rocky reentry. It builds to a gargantuan boil for the climax, but Singer is sure to sustain the silent moments between the characters in the eye of the action hurricane, and unexpectedly saves the final 20 minutes of the film not for explosions and speaker-rattling victory, but for tender plot twists that take Superman further into his desire to live among human beings, and also offers a satisfying bookend to Donner's movie. I treasured the experience of watching "Superman Returns," both as a rabid fan of Richard Donner's initial gamble and as a filmgoer starving to witness filmmakers with an actual grasp on the idea of an epic cinematic vision. Singer has struck gold here, crossing dangerous terrain to bring Superman back to life, and his efforts to remain true to the heart and to the rippling red cape have provided the overwhelming, goose bump-inducing exhilaration of watching one of the greatest films of 2006.
It'll prob go to ratner or bay by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 02:48:15 PM
and suck. a lot. I hate all reboots, as none of my favorite comics writers (Morrison, Johns) ever resort to a full on reboot to tell their story. Regardless, I can accept one in this case, but they should bring back routh. before AICN starts floating rumours of Justin Timberlake throwing his hat in for the role.
TTMan by TedKordLives	Jul 9th, 2009 02:50:36 PM
Just so you know, no one's going to read that. Just FYI.
10 SUPERMAN FACTS by Snookeroo	Jul 9th, 2009 02:51:22 PM
1) You're never going to get a better actor for Superman than Christopher Reeve. Get over it, and move on. 2) In "Superman, the Movie", he did not reverse the rotation of the earth. That was a standard representation from the Silver Age of Superman flying back in time. He was not literally supposed to be reversing the earth's rotation. 3) According to the original comics, Krypton's sun does not explode. Only Krypton explodes. "Superman - The Movie" got that part incorrect. 4) The "S" shield was not originally designed as the family crest of El. Marlon Brando wore the "S" insignia on his chest because he had an incredible ego, and wanted to wear an "S" like Superman, and the writers worked around it. 5) "Superman II" is remembered more fondly than it merits. It's a cheaply made, poorly-paced campy piece of shit. The only thing it got right is that Superman is an action character -- at some point during ANY Superman movie, Superman needs to have a throw-down with the Bad Guy Du Jour. 6. "Superman Returns" suffered from the fact that Singer didn't know anything about the Superman character except what was portrayed in "Superman - the Movie". However, to his credit Singer was respectful of the character - which is more than can be said for the Salkinds. 7. Brandon Routh is a tall, lanky dude. The suit was tailored completely incorrectly for his build. The tall neck and low waist accentuated his torso and made him appear long in the middle and short in the legs. Add to that his long, thin face, and you have a Superman that looks like he stepped out of a funhouse mirror. 8. Superman's colors are primary -- red, blue and yellow. Not brown, blue and gold. It's just not that hard, people. 9. Lex Luthor should never, never be in another Superman movie. Ever. 10. Having the Superman franchise in Warner Brother's hands is like giving a Ming vase to a moron. They know it's valuable, but not not sure why. The best thing they can think of is to put flowers in it; and more likely than not, they'll probably drop the damn thing and break it to pieces.
Homocode by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 02:55:42 PM
Wow, 'nearly killed him' and he's STILL able to throw a whole island out of Earth's gravitational pull into space? How can you be such a moron to not be able to see the disparity in that a tiny little shard of kryptonite completely dehabilitates him but he's somehow able to lift an ENTIRE FUCKING ISLAND full of the stuff with it inches from his face into space? You REALLY can't see how that doesn't work? Good thing he didn't still have that tiny shard still stuck in him!
10 SUPERMAN FACTS by Snookeroo	Jul 9th, 2009 02:55:56 PM
1) You're never going to get a better actor for Superman than Christopher Reeve. Get over it, and move on. 2) In "Superman, the Movie", he did not reverse the rotation of the earth. That was a standard representation from the Silver Age of Superman flying back in time. He was not literally supposed to be reversing the earth's rotation. 3) According to the original comics, Krypton's sun does not explode. Only Krypton explodes. "Superman - The Movie" got that part incorrect. 4) The "S" shield was not originally designed as the family crest of El. Marlon Brando wore the "S" insignia on his chest because he had an incredible ego, and wanted to wear an "S" like Superman, and the writers worked around it. 5) "Superman II" is remembered more fondly than it merits. It's a cheaply made, poorly-paced campy piece of shit. The only thing it got right is that Superman is an action character -- at some point during ANY Superman movie, Superman needs to have a throw-down with the Bad Guy Du Jour. 6. "Superman Returns" suffered from the fact that Singer didn't know anything about the Superman character except what was portrayed in "Superman - the Movie". However, to his credit Singer was respectful of the character - which is more than can be said for the Salkinds. 7. Brandon Routh is a tall, lanky dude. The suit was tailored completely incorrectly for his build. The tall neck and low waist accentuated his torso and made him appear long in the middle and short in the legs. Add to that his long, thin face, and you have a Superman that looks like he stepped out of a funhouse mirror. 8. Superman's colors are primary -- red, blue and yellow. Not brown, blue and gold. It's just not that hard, people. 9. Lex Luthor should never, never be in another Superman movie. Ever. 10. Having the Superman franchise in Warner Brother's hands is like giving a Ming vase to a moron. They know it's valuable, but not not sure why. The best thing they can think of is to put flowers in it; and more likely than not, they'll probably drop the damn thing and break it to pieces.
Lex Luthor by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 02:56:28 PM
Is the Bruce Wayne of Metropolis, the second most owerful man in the City. I can understand him not being the main villain, but not being in the movie? ridiculous.
The movie was decent, of course the fanboys hated it by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 02:57:44 PM
Why? Who knows? Maybe it was too slow for them?
Hire talkbackers to write next film by CENOBITE	Jul 9th, 2009 02:58:19 PM
do it all with voting on badguys, scenes and casting. genius.
fat bears by HoboCode	Jul 9th, 2009 02:59:29 PM
I guess you didn't see the part where he flew above the clouds and reenergized in the direct rays of the sun for a momentary burst of power/energy that gave him the will and power to do what he had too. And he was weak enough to be shoved over the cliff and drown because the kryptonite was IN his body at that point.
a talkbacker film by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 03:00:06 PM
is better than no film.
maybe by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 03:00:41 PM

Justice League by Blueberry	Jul 9th, 2009 03:02:47 PM
As Warner will be forced to start pre-production on a Superman movie before the end of 2011, why not revive the project that had most everything in place, a director, a script, fully designed costumes and sets? The Justice League movie could be a good way to "reintroduce" the character as a kick-ass superhero, who beats the crap out of Batman, Wonder Woman (under Lord's mind control) and a whole army of OMACs. According to DC's Gregory Noveck, one of the few people who really read the scripts, the latest draft was very good. They only need to replace the John Stewart Green Lantern with Hal Jordan, who would have been introduced in the GL movie. And they could have Routh, the GL actor and maybe Bale (who's contractually signed to be Batman in a third movie) if Nolan decides he won't do another sequel. Otherwise they could cast Jon Hamm as Batman.
Yeah, he ddi fly right up to the sun, and got reenergized by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 03:05:33 PM
It wasn't hard to miss. Also, he did pretty much drop down to Earth after he lifted the island into space.
I didn't read the actual judgement... by dogrobber	Jul 9th, 2009 03:07:18 PM
... but could the ruling be satisfied by Supes appearing in another film (just wondering about the 'Green Lantern' rumours)? Also, what is the definition of starting 'production...by 2011'? Does pre-production count? Does the film ever have to be completed and released? Could they simply edit together episodes of 'Smallville', call it 'Superman: Beginnings', and release it in Europe or Asia to satisfy the ruling? Thanks.
justice league by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 03:11:14 PM
sounded dumb from the get go. to me anyway. build anticipation with flash and gl, not to mention WW then go for a JL movie. which by the way should be a big deal, crisis-type movie, not some imac robot nonsense
If they make another super___ movie... by DrBrianOblivion	Jul 9th, 2009 03:13:25 PM
...it should be another super mario brothers movie. B-b-b-b-b- BOMBS!!!!!
Smallville is probably the best Supes story right now by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 03:15:09 PM
It's got decent writing, acting, etc. It's great.
Brian Orndorf is an idiot. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 03:20:27 PM
And when he cashed the check Warner Bros. paid him for his rave review, he wasted all the cash on Skittles and a 40.
lockes, I wanna love you, but then by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 03:21:44 PM
you gotta write shit praising "Smallville." Aw hell, we all got flaws.
consider Kyptonite like plutonium to humans by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 03:22:21 PM
I don't give a fuck if it's "in" your body or balancing on your nutsack, the effect of deadly radiation on you is gonna be sickness to death. Now imagine a whole box of plutonium, you suddenly wouldn't be able to lift it (supposing you could) just because the piece in you (or on your nutsack) is gone. Massive amounts of deadly radiation is what is at issue with Kryptonite (that's why lead protects Superman from it) and a larger mass of radiation, particularly the size of an entire island would be enough to kill him instantly just being around him, (like Plutonium would us) let alone lifting and throwing the motherfucking ISLAND into space. Especially when we have just been shown how utterly dehabilitating a tiny little shard of what the green shit did to him, regardless if it's in him or on him. Radiation is radiation. Even if you go with the idea that the shard in him infected his blood stream and his super healing abilities cured him when it was gone, the tiny amount it was compared to the ENORMOUS amount of the island should've killed him, "in" him or not. And that shot of him falling dreamilly back to Earth afterwards was a direct rip off of Ang Lee's Hulk who did the exact same damn thing. FAIL.
The 1994 production of Fantastic Four comes to mind by ricarleite2	Jul 9th, 2009 03:22:34 PM
Hopefully they will follow this strategy. We don't need to see the crappy Superman flick that comes out of this.
Superman vs Batman by smackfu	Jul 9th, 2009 03:23:12 PM
Do it. Do eeeeeeeet. Or get Patrick Warburton and make it a surreal comedy with a thick-as-a-tree Superman.
I'd like to kick start a Superman film.... by ScottinDC	Jul 9th, 2009 03:27:30 PM
...right in the nuts if it has Kate "I'm a Fucking Whore Bore" Bosworth as Lois Lane again. Woof...she was fucking TERRIBLE in Superman Returns. And Kevin Spacey was absolutely wasted as Lex Luther. Really awful movie - Brandon Routh was good in an otherwise dreck film.
I don't understand why they wouldn't go with Routh by CherryValance	Jul 9th, 2009 03:30:24 PM
He's the perfect guy for Superman. Why recast him because other people messed up the first one? It's not his fault and it's not Superman's fault so why should either of them suffer because other people couldn't think of a better villain than land? If they recast Supes, I'm not going.
the problem with Superman by Muki	Jul 9th, 2009 03:30:26 PM
is that Lois Lane is such an annoying bitch. Seriously, it's just not believable that the most perfect man in the world would fall for her. He could do so much better.
zombieheath by smudgewhat	Jul 9th, 2009 03:34:03 PM
suspension of disbelief is helpful
ZombieHeathLedger by HoboCode	Jul 9th, 2009 03:35:11 PM
Oh please get a life. I guess I missed the fucking comic book issue where they sketched out the complete physics of kryptonite
Hobo, maybe you were busy choking. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 03:36:26 PM
Up.
Subtitles_Off by HoboCode	Jul 9th, 2009 03:38:09 PM
Good one. Ouch that hurts. I'm getting choked up at your blistering attack on the fact that I'm not an emotionally-stunted sociopath.
I've said it before and ill say it again... by ChocolateJesusMan	Jul 9th, 2009 03:38:25 PM
Denzel Washington as Lex Luthor
Kevin SPacey was the awful one in Returns by BMacSmith	Jul 9th, 2009 03:40:36 PM
maybe not awful, but awfully boring and forgettable. please no more lex luthor. Super kid pretty much sealed that movie's fate. no one wants to see sequels of Superman raising his annoying son. reboot is the only way to go.
Um Spacey is never awful by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 03:43:47 PM
He was one of the best things about the movie!
I don't think you're emotionally stunted. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 03:46:37 PM
You've got a very good handle on it. Let the choking commence, my friend. There's nothing wrong with it. Remember, I admitted to getting misty at a PotA movie. Sorry I called you a pussy before. That was just a juvenile joke. Nothing to weep over. Pussy!
See, lockes, there you go... by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 03:48:42 PM
Spacey is USUALLY awful. SEVEN. That's it. And only, methinks, because he wasn't in it long enough. Then again, that movie was good enough that even Pitt couldn't suck in it.
The kid is such a minor issue. by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 03:51:45 PM
didnt supes have a kid in the normal comic,like an adopted son
LOL @ Subtitles_Off by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 03:53:39 PM
That's not the ONLY thing homocode gets "choked" up over, lol.
Subtitles_Off by HoboCode	Jul 9th, 2009 03:57:35 PM
Spacey usually awful? Apparently you haven't seen a little movie called K-Pax. Joke. But seriously he was great in Seven, The Usual suspects, American Beauty, Glengary Glen Ross, and LA Confidential.
Did you guys all see that Justin Timberlake is Up for Green Lant by TheDayClintEastwoodDied	Jul 9th, 2009 03:58:32 PM
We have bigger problems then a new superman movie.
The kid in the comic by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 03:58:35 PM
Was introduced by Donner after RETURNS. Guess one hand-job deserved another. By the way, the comic kid is being suggested around DC offices as a replacement for Clark Kent, ala the current fuck-fest that is the Batman comic. I'm not kidding you. Mark my words.
Hobo, he was ok in GLENGARY GLEN ROSS. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 04:00:21 PM
And, as I said, he was good in SEVEN. The rest of that shit? Unwatchable.
Casting ideas- not set in stone by wookie1972	Jul 9th, 2009 04:01:19 PM
Jon Hamm as Superman Rashida Jones as Lois Lane (thank you Ironhorse) Isla Fisher as Lana Lang Hugh Laurie as Brainiac The voice of Keith David as Doomsday Keep Langella as Perry White, cast some newcomer as Jimmy Olsen
Subtitles_Off by erichaislar	Jul 9th, 2009 04:02:01 PM
Chris Kent is not in the Phantom Zone anymore? See this is why i stopped reading Comics.
I never liked superman at all by animas	Jul 9th, 2009 04:02:11 PM
the ubermensch is supposed to be beyond good and evil not a faggot do-gooder and especially not a capitalist do-gooder.
More Love... by HapaPapa72	Jul 9th, 2009 04:06:30 PM
For Routh's Supes than I expected on here. I thought he did fine. Hell, I bought the DVD. But Bosworth? NO, please. Langella was alright. Spacey was great but the character wasn't all he could be. I like someone's idea about a period piece 1930s Superman. And cast Christina-Mad Men-All-Women-Should-Have-Her- Body-Hendricks as Lois Lane.
Superman Comics by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 04:06:48 PM
are one of DC's best franchises right now.
Shia As Jimmy Olsen! by HapaPapa72	Jul 9th, 2009 04:07:53 PM
Brilliant.
The Superman Returns DVD was so lame by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 04:09:28 PM
The extras on it were terrible. Why didn't they put that filmed scene if Superman encountering remains of his home planet on there. No commentary either. Shitty
eric, Chris Kent is now Nightwing. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 04:09:45 PM
Comics are stupid.
Stop hating Routh because he might be gay for pay by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 04:10:52 PM
Hate him for being a stiff actor but not for the gay stuff. Have dignity people.
Wha?! How is Spacey "unwatchable" in... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 04:11:02 PM
...THE USUAL SUSPECTS, AMERICAN BEAUTY, and LA CONFIDENTIAL? Along with GLENGARRY and SEVEN, those represent the best from his body of work.
JIM CAVIEZEL = \S/, ARNOLD VOSLOO = LEX, ROSE BYNE = LOIS. by ironic_name	Jul 9th, 2009 04:11:24 PM

Shia as Superman? by jaysin420	Jul 9th, 2009 04:12:08 PM
Oh man I just puked. Just wait a year and then lock Welling up for a few movies. He's got the CK part down cold and he'll be the perfect age to start a franchise around when Smallville expires next year.
Those movies are crap, that's how. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 04:13:14 PM
Ah, LA CONFIDENTIAL isn't, but, whatever, Spacey could've been replaced by anyone in that.
Those movies are crap? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 04:15:09 PM
Hmmm, don't know. Maybe if you turned your subtitles on, you may understand them better.
Buffy_ by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 04:15:18 PM
I don't hate Brandon Routh. I hate Brandon Routh as Superman. Because as Superman Brandon Routh was both stiff and gay. It's allowed.
"The leads are coming!" by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 04:16:08 PM

My handle is sarcasm, Gaius. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 04:16:37 PM
But, thanks for playing.
I do what I can, Sub. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 04:18:08 PM

Speilberg could knock off 2 Supes flix by 2011 by pokadoo	Jul 9th, 2009 04:18:19 PM
...they'd be bellow par, but on time and worth a watch.
And that's all any of us can do. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 04:21:54 PM

The only way i'd ever re-watch this crap is if. by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 04:28:40 PM
Richard Kelly came over, pulled up a chair, and offered me a nice dry peice of toast slathered with a helpful serving of RICHARD KELLY'S TASTY JELLY(tm).At that point- I'd even watch pee-wee's playhouse
Routh wasn't bad but... by jaysin420	Jul 9th, 2009 04:28:55 PM
it's like he was trying to mimic Reeves performance and it just came out really weird I think.
Most everyone loved Routh by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 04:38:03 PM
I don't remember Bale getting universal praise for Wayne.
Most everyone liked Routh?? by Philvis	Jul 9th, 2009 04:41:18 PM
Where are y'all coming up with this information? I've not spoken to a single person who liked the movie or Routh. There are some apologists around, but other than that, I can't think of anyone. My wife and brothers still give me a mean look if that movie gets mentioned because I took them to see that bomb.
This Articles Lacks Info by kenichi tanaka	Jul 9th, 2009 04:51:26 PM
Yet the dumbfuck bastard who wrote this article failed to mention one very important point. Warner Brothers and D.C. Comics, unless the Siegels and the Shusters grant them a license to the property, that they will all rights to the character come 2013 when the remaining 50% of the rights to the character revert to the Siegels (or is it the Shusters estate). At any rate, Warner Brothers and D.C. Comics will be prevented from using the character and while they hold the trademarks to the design of the current Superman character, they wouldn't be able to publish any comics books, television shows, movies or merchandise based off a new character for the simple fact that there would be too many similarities confusing the two characters and Warner/D.C. would be infringing on intellectual copyrights. The estates of Siegel and Shuster will have the movie studio and the comic book company over a barrel and would be able to charge whatever they think if fair market value and D.C. would be forced to license the character from both estates.
Who did you talk to? Your D and D club? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 04:51:55 PM
Most regular people I know said they liked SR, and Routh was fantastic.
Sam Worthington is the new Superman by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 04:52:59 PM
I read a bunch of comic and movie sites. They do a lot of fantasy casting. In all these years, never has Worthington been mentioned by anybody for the role of Superman. All these sites and all those commenters and it never occurred to anyone to want that. Probably because it's a terrible idea. But once news that Routh's contract had expired hit these sites, there was suddenly multiple posts on every site asking for Worthington. PLANT! Suddenly everyone like Worthington for the role, when nobody did before? WB loves Worthington. They cast him Terminator and Clash of the Titans. Those are huge roles for a basic unknown. WB believes Worthington will be a huge star after Avatar and they want to ride that money train. I think they've already signed Worthington and that's why there is this sudden explosion in Worthington chatter on all these sites. Sam Worthington is the new Superman. Take it to the bank.
Theyshoudl make the next Superman Dark. Because dark films are by Particularly Hard Vato	Jul 9th, 2009 04:57:36 PM
Oh- and it should be in a realistic world. Because Batman was in a realistic world. Because Dark movies with realistic worlds are good. And the bad guy should be nutz. And people should die. And he should be a real world super hero and be messed up because that's what superheroes would really be like. And it should have a shitload of robots. And Tomato nose poopy face.
lockesbrokenleg by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 04:58:22 PM
You know regular people? IMPOSSIBLE.
and most regular people don't give a shit about Routh by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 04:58:55 PM
They don't even know who he is. They didn't give a shit about him during the movie, and haven't given a shit about him all these years after the movie, when Routh has been scrounging for roles. They can't picture his face, don't know his name, and don't give a flying fuck about yet another C list nobody actor.
sam worthington by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 9th, 2009 05:03:13 PM
is a loser.i doubt he will last.He DEFINITELY won't be a major star.
Henry Cavill by ICantBelieveIRegistered	Jul 9th, 2009 05:04:21 PM
I've been catching up on The Tudors and everytime Henry Cavill is on screen, I think of Superman. I liked Routh too, but Cavill is the comic book image of the Man of Steel
sam worthington by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 05:05:28 PM
I think Fanboys pretty much sealed his fate.
LOL!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 05:09:06 PM
That Superman-Lightsaber post by ThePilgrim is fucking hysterical. Man, sometimes the stuff geeks think about is just too damn much.
The problem with Superman Returns by Bat185	Jul 9th, 2009 05:10:22 PM
I think most of us are in agreement that Superman Returns was NOT a worthy successor to the Chris Reeve movies. I don't know what Bryan Singer was thinking with this movie. He did an amazing job with the X-Men movies. The casting, with the exception of Kevin Spacey was terrible. I completely understand casting an unknown for the Man of Steel. Richard Donner did the same thing with Chris. Brandon Routh just didn't have the chops, though. They would have been better off going with someone who had been in movies before but wasn't yet a "household name." The script, also, was AWFUL! It was a mish-mash of vague references to the original films, and a plotline that made Superman look like a dead-beat dad and a stalker. Other than Spacey, about the only good thing with the movie was the special effects.
I LOVE Superman Returns... by ZodNotGod	Jul 9th, 2009 05:12:36 PM
Routh was great. Keep him, add some action, Brainiac, Dark Sied and have at it.... I read an odd quote from an Exec that said, if SR makes over $200 domestic a sequel will be green-lit. Where the hell is it?
Hey Mr. Milkshake, I don't like Worthington either by ZorroZ	Jul 9th, 2009 05:12:39 PM
But I think it's a done deal. The execs at WB love him and they have their PR reps working overtime puffing up Worthington on Superman fansites.
Superman is not dark! by ZodNotGod	Jul 9th, 2009 05:14:33 PM
Superman is not dark. Fuck all of you who think that.
Hmm. I thought most people saw SR AS a worthy succesor by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 05:15:45 PM
to Supes 1 and 2. It's better than Supes 3 and 4, AND X Men 1 and 3.
Pilgrim-What the fuck was that about??????? by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 9th, 2009 05:17:35 PM
Reading Pilgrim's post was like doing a rail of white vader as long as the equator. What the? Who the? What the?
Bring on the Wachowskis!!!! by Sephiroid	Jul 9th, 2009 05:19:38 PM
Let the brothers direct the film, and I wouldn't mind see Tom Welling go full Superman, as long as he gets a fucking proper haircut at least. Stay away from Donner style, and bring on Doomsaday, Brainiac or Darkseed... I wouldn't mind if Zod returned too...
No, Routh WAS awful! by GeorgieBoy	Jul 9th, 2009 05:22:43 PM
No verisimilitude.
Why in God's name would McG / WB relationship be damaged? by Tall_Boy66	Jul 9th, 2009 05:22:49 PM
Have you SEEN the overseas gross of Terminator Salvation - over 65% of it's total and it made past it's budget. Sure, it capped out at 120 mil Stateside but it doubled that with the international gross. I'm pretty sure WB is happy with McG's return. Does Merrick know anything or is he just really, really stupid?
Fuck Donners Superman by smatt584	Jul 9th, 2009 05:25:54 PM
Seriously, it may have been great thirty years ago, but so was the slinky. Can we please move the fuck on? Why can't we just have a new "Superman movie" instead of shit like Singer's "Superman: The Movie: The Movie!" Goddamn, can't we get something new?
whats wrong with jon hamm?it`s been called superman by DavidCarradinesAutoEroticRobot	Jul 9th, 2009 05:27:03 PM
and not superboy, why would he be 2 old?
Organs- you said SR was pretty good. by Cotton McKnight	Jul 9th, 2009 05:27:30 PM
Please go to a deserted island somewhere and never, ever, ever procreate. Superman Returns was GOD AWFUL and I want the people who enjoyed it quarantined so they never have a chance to remind the rest of us that it ever existed. I'll even do my part by collecting all of the dvds that havent already been sent to the landfill and use them to build you shelter on the island. Whats better than that? A house with superman returns wallpaper. You know you want to.
i dont want fucking shia not even in the same country by DavidCarradinesAutoEroticRobot	Jul 9th, 2009 05:28:20 PM
while they will shot this movie!
I saw SR at an IMAX theater in 3D by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS	Jul 9th, 2009 05:30:01 PM
I remember enjoying it and thinking Routh did a good job. However, he hasn't exactly set the world alight since has he? What happened? Is he waiting tables again or what?
what was wrong with SR is spacey, bosworth, story & kid by DavidCarradinesAutoEroticRobot	Jul 9th, 2009 05:30:16 PM
& again not a super villain and over the top acting from a luthor...this gets boring...thats it!
So, what do the fanboys hate? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 05:30:16 PM
All the Spider Mans, SR, Transformers, etc. I need a list.
give it to the coens or the wachowski bros by DavidCarradinesAutoEroticRobot	Jul 9th, 2009 05:32:56 PM
and i think we would have a new great start!
routh had all the charisma and gravitas of a piece of 4x2 by slappy jones	Jul 9th, 2009 05:35:12 PM
he was horrible.
The COENS? THE FUCKNG COENS?!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 05:35:35 PM
We want the movies to make sense.
Start with Routh, go from there ... by doubledown44	Jul 9th, 2009 05:39:23 PM
And Anne Hathaway as Lois would be nice, too.
Superman Returns was great! by Dirk Shocker	Jul 9th, 2009 05:41:18 PM
Get another director for the action sequences. Zack Snider or Guillermo Del Toro and keep Routh.
Here's what the story should be... by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS	Jul 9th, 2009 05:44:05 PM
Superman flys to 'New Krypton' to get back his crystals, he inadvertantly brings back some microbes that, once back on earth grow into loads of superpowered monsters that have the upper hand over Supes seeing as they have Kryptonite as part of their genetic makeup. Luthor can be in the background trying to work things to his advantage while the rest of the movie is made up of all out, balls to the wall action as Superman and the monsters go head to head.
THE WACHOWSKIS FOR SUPERMAN!!!! by Johnno	Jul 9th, 2009 05:48:38 PM
Remember that rumor? That sounded fucking awesome! Reboot Superman and give it to the Wachowski Brothers!!! I will fucking guarantee awesomeness if that happens! They're not doing anything right? Finishing off NInja Assassins, fuck Plastic Man, get Joel Silver on the line and have WB fix this now!!!!
Coen Brothers on Superman just as Moriarty by hallmitchell	Jul 9th, 2009 05:51:52 PM
suggested. Ron Moss as superman. More action for crying out loud. Darkseid. Cameo by batman or Martian Manhunter.
Snookeroo: too bad the court didn't rule on all of those too by Nem_Wan	Jul 9th, 2009 05:51:57 PM
There should be a court order that forevermore Superman's movie costume must look exactly like his comics costume. Whatever else the Salkinds did they got the costumes right, not just on Reeve's films but on Supergirl and Superboy (TV) as well. And yes it may have been a (huge) paycheck for Brando but he was great and the family crest thing worked out well, since it allowed Lois to invent the name Superman even though he already had an S on his shirt. Anyway Brando was a good sport because he didn't want the spit-curl hair but he accepted it along with the S.
We need a movie of Superman lifting stuff by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Jul 9th, 2009 05:57:53 PM
We haven't had that yet. You know - an hour or two of Superman doing nothing except lifting stuff just to show how amazing he is at lifting stuff. Sounds great, right?
THE FUCKING WACHOWSKIS?!!?!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 05:58:06 PM
Not after that Speed Racer shit
DAMN RIGHT THE FUCKING WACHOWSKIS!!! by Johnno	Jul 9th, 2009 06:07:13 PM
After asshats like you made a blockbuster hit out of Transformers 2, no fucking way do you have the right to talk shit about Speed Racer which was fucking awesome!!!
HARRY! WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE THAT LIKED SPEED RACE by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 06:14:05 PM

2 Michaels to direct, Eric Christian Olsen as Supes, Kreuk as Lo by estacado1	Jul 9th, 2009 06:15:54 PM
Michael Bays's Superman with lots of explosions. It doesn't get better than that. But you can't rely on Bay for character development, so Michael Mann will co-direct so that there's an actual story being told. Although Kristin Kreuk played Lana in Smallville, but I think she's perfect for Lois. It also keeps the tradition of the flat-chested Lois going. I don't mind my girls being flat-chested as long as they have a beautiful face and their ass isn't flat too. And Eric Christian Olsen as Superman. I saw him in Fired Up! (which I loved) and he has a tight body. He'll bring a more masculine feel to Superman. And one final casting, if Lex is in the movie, then James Spader should play Lex. He's great playing the no-moral-compass guy in Boston Legal, and he can emote very effectively. He can do funny, he can do ruthless. He's perfect.
This TB proves most AICN readers have no fucking clue by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 06:19:04 PM
About good movies.
Lockes, that last comment... by ebonic_plague	Jul 9th, 2009 06:23:10 PM
...coming from YOU is probably the most jaw-droppingly ironic statement ever written in an AICN TB. Holy shit, how much more black could the kettle be? The answer is none.
Give it to, oh I don't know.....Roman Polanski. by OutlawsDelejos	Jul 9th, 2009 06:24:26 PM
Who gives a fuck.
ebonic_plague by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 06:24:29 PM
Oh whatever, you snobby douche. Are you hugging your copy of Firefly?
Money talks by deanbarry	Jul 9th, 2009 06:29:24 PM
Just hope it doesn't talk smack. If this gets fucked up it's the end of Superman. Lex Luthor has nothing on these damn Movie studios. They are Supermans biggest threat. Worse than Kryptonite I tells ya.
Firefly? No thanks. by ebonic_plague	Jul 9th, 2009 06:36:15 PM
You got me confused with someone else there, skywalkerfamily.
Returns by Logan_1973	Jul 9th, 2009 06:37:16 PM
The only problem I really had with RETURNS was Kate Bosworth: WAY too young for the role. What was she, 15 years old when she had that kid? Other than a lame ending, I was okay with it. Routh and Spacey were great, and while Lex's plot might have seemed like recycled material, it was true to the established character in the consistent universe.
Hulk Hogan for Lois Lane by The Atomic Worm	Jul 9th, 2009 06:38:08 PM
"You've got me, who's got you brother?????????????"
Superman Returns Sucked Dead Whale Dick by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 06:42:40 PM
From the damn real estate plot, to the fukken gay agenda. From the damn stupid kid, to the damn stupid no super villains. From the damn stupid stalker, to the damn stupid getting ass whupped by skinny thugs. From the damn stupid lack of action to the damn stupid lifting an island filled with kryptonite into space. Just damn stupid
SUPERMAN RETURNS is fixable. by GibsonUSA Returns	Jul 9th, 2009 06:43:53 PM
Very much so. No need for a reboot. Just continue off that story...it can be saved.
To those bashing Superman Returns by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 06:50:17 PM
Do me a favor and go watch Superman III and IV, then tell me how weak Returns was. Seriously people, those two films were not that good. Pryor made III kind of watchable and the good/bad Superman fight was pretty good, but the movie overall was weak, it made Superman into a comedy. Part IV, don't even get me started on that steaming piece of shit. Made a mockery out of everything Superman. Bad acting, terrible effects, the all time stupidest foe (Nuclear Man??? gimme a fucking break sooooo retarted), a lame story, a horrible sidekick for Luthor (who did not have any of the charm of Ned Beatty's Otis). Overall an incredibly stupid dumb moronic movie that was a complete insult to Superman. Everyone involved should be ashamed. For the flaws that SR had and it definitely had them, at least Singer tried (a bit too hard) to honor its source material. It had respect for Superman, no matter how you may think of the story and tone, it did not dissrespect Superman. SR was a good effort to revive Superman, but now they need to take it to the next level. I hope they do.
I liked SUPERMAN RETURNS, I just want more action and no Boswort by Drath	Jul 9th, 2009 06:50:19 PM
and no Jason White/son of Superman. Otherwise, I liked a lot of what was in SR. Pacing sucked, plot was ultimately nothing much, and they overplayed the martyrdom of Superman over and over. I know it's shallow to say it, but dammit I wanted a superfight on the level of the Matrix Revolutions. The movie could have given that. Holding back made it feel like they just didn't have the vision. Of course I want Darkseid, it's insane to not even hint at him but instead still use threats from Krypton like it's the only place that can generate threats to Superman. Bring back the production staff if possible, get John Williams to do the music, but MAKE another one NOW! Also recast Lois. Bosworth was awful. Along with the writers, she's the only think I don't want brought back in another movie. Super stalker should never have happened either. But I liked Superman Returns...can't remember why just now...
Liberal_Warrior by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 06:52:11 PM
Go watch Superman IV and you will think SR is a masterpiece.
Logan_1973 - is you damn stupid? by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 06:52:57 PM
It fukken sucked! Ok here is the whole fukken SR writers meeting. "Hey lets get Lex Luthor as the villain! 'Yeah!' Lets cast a suspect gay actor! 'Yeah!' Hey what was LL's motivation in first movie? 'Well BS, he wanted to nuke Kali and buy up Nevada for real estate gains!' 'Hmmm? And what was his motivation in second movie? 'Well BS, he worked with Zod to get revenge and to get Australia for more real estate!' Hmmm, well for the third movie we should do something totally unexpected! 'Like what BS?' 'Another real estate scheme! They will never see it coming!'"
Comparing Returns to IV is a bit unfair by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS	Jul 9th, 2009 06:54:43 PM
One had a budget of $200 million and the other had a budget of the contents of my wallet... and I'm broke.
If it's going to be Singer again the villian should be Prop-8iac by AzulTool	Jul 9th, 2009 06:55:07 PM

Liberal_Warrior by Logan_1973	Jul 9th, 2009 06:56:49 PM
"is you damn stupid" No, but at least I can write in proper english. I liked the film. Deal with it.
What the Fuk does Supe III and IV have to do with it? by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 06:57:14 PM
Yeah, they sucked too. So what? Does that mean we should be grateful that SR sucked marginally less after a twenty year hiatus and a 200 million dollar budget? Fuk no. Bad is bad. Supe 3 and 4 were money grabs - it would have been a miracle if they did not suck. SR had a 200 million dollar bduget, big name director/writer and it still ate diseased camel shit!
KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 06:57:59 PM
Budget has nothing to do with it my friend. They still could have tried to make a good movie on a low budget, and it is obvious on every level that there was no effort by anyone involved with IV to make it good. SR didn't appeal to everyone and I understand that, but it was not an insult like IV was. As I already said, they at least tried to be respectful to the source, nothing about IV was respectful to anything.
Will Smith for Superman??? Really??? by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:01:03 PM
Give me a break. Why not Will Ferrel as Shaft? Makes as much sense as casting Will Smith as James West in "Wild Wild West"!...Oh...shit...
Liberal_Warrior by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 07:01:03 PM
Well obviously we have different opinions about SR. I thought it was 1000 times better than III and IV and at least honored the source. It needed more action, and I do tire of Luthor's real estate scandals. At least they tried to make it feel like a Superman movie. Ok you think it sucked ass, I got it. We agree to disagree, let's leave it at that.
Logan_1973 by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 07:01:44 PM
I don't have to deal with shit! Your taste in movies is about as finely refined as a ten day dead moose.
Liberal_Warrior by Logan_1973	Jul 9th, 2009 07:06:24 PM
You nothing about me and my life, or my taste, insight, and experience in film, therefore you are unqualified to comment. And yes, you do have to deal with people having differing opinions. Grow up.
How will Singer get his dick sucked if he can't do a sequel? by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 07:07:56 PM
The seminal question remains.
Honored the Source? by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 07:08:39 PM
Source of what? Donner? Look first of all Superman I was a bloated mess. Took 50 damn minutes before you even saw the fukken cape! Yes, it tried to be epic in scope -and it failed! It was boring. Oh, yes seeing Big Blue Boy fly was cool, and Hackman was good, but the movie was dull. Supe II had lots more excitement, but even it was no great shakes. The source was flawed if Singer was trying to use Donner as template! Which he did!
Live Action Version of Superman:Doomsday? by Jabbu	Jul 9th, 2009 07:11:21 PM
I thought this was pretty good minus Anne Heche as Lois. Cast: Superman - Channing Tatum/Kevin Zegers Lois - Ginnifer Goodwin/Rachel McAdams Lex Luthor - Ed Norton/Ben Kingsley Martha Kent - Helen Mirren Toyman - William H Macy
lockes says he's talked to a lot of people who loved RETURNS by Subtitles_Off	Jul 9th, 2009 07:11:22 PM
Problem is, all those people are the ones lockes was talking to when he was talking to himself. My lockes' gots lots of imaginary friends. That's all I'm saying. And those imaginary friends keep telling him the stupidest shit! RETURNS was crap. Routh was a lousy Superman. All of this was settled in the court of popular opinion a long time ago.
Singer's dick must miss taxing Routh's ass by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 07:12:03 PM
Have you no pity on the rodent faced man?
I agree... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:14:12 PM
The time is not right for another Superman movie. I agree with Warrior too. The original was stretched too long. The opening credits seemed like an hour for shits sake. If there needs to be a Superman movie, make one where he fucking DIES! I'd pay to see that...
Logan_1973 - is your ickle fweeings hurd? by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 07:14:43 PM
I sorry. Didn't mean ta make baby kwy! Grow the fuk up. Superman Returns sucked. No, it was not the worst movie ever made. It was not even the worst Superman movie made. But it sucked. Movie enjoyment is subjective. But just because there are plenty of people who think Plan 9 from outer space is the finest movie ever made, does not make their opinion worth a bottle of warm platypus piss.
rogueleader by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 07:16:20 PM
yeah i dont even like to consider 3 and 4 when it comes to Superman..it goes right to SR...they feel like the same world and there was a lot of passion in creating them..i think people are bitching unfairly because afer 20 years, people, little boys and kids dream of THE PERFECT SUPERMAN FILM and they got this. which was fine, it just wasnt their film. it is like that with T4, TREK (which i liked), WATCHMEN (which i loved), Indy (meh), etc. just get over it people, unless you can do a better job than singer or for that matter GOLAN. geez reeve looked sickly in 4.
Routh did fine. Recast most of the actors from Returns. by GibsonUSA Returns	Jul 9th, 2009 07:16:25 PM
Especially if this is a rush job...to recast/reboot is risky. Just make a badass summer action followup to returns WITH A BADASS NEW SUPERVILLIAN, and it will make $200 mil again.
Subtitles_Off by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 07:17:18 PM
Um, WTF do you like anyway? You seem to hate every fucking thing on this side? I bet you you're gonna be at the Bruno showing tonight, right?
I meant rehire most of the actors from Returns. by GibsonUSA Returns	Jul 9th, 2009 07:18:13 PM
Very few parts should be recasted. Everyone should pretty much stay the same.
Liberal_Warrior by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS	Jul 9th, 2009 07:19:58 PM
It was also about 50 minutes into Batman Begins before you saw him in the damn cape, does that make it a bad movie too?
Question for everyone... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:22:06 PM
Where the fuck is our "one" great summer movie? Trek was good, but not stellar. T4, Transformers, Wolverine, and the rest of the "blockbusters" sucked the biggest, juiciest asshole you can think of. Could D-9 be it?
I think Terrance Stamp has one more in him... by groorgman	Jul 9th, 2009 07:22:31 PM
Kneel Before Zod!
KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 07:25:17 PM
Batman Begins was no fukken masterpiece, but it did have much better pacing that Superman I and it did not try to be epic. It had serious flaws though, so I would not hold that up as template for a good superhero movie if I was you! Which thank dead armadillo I aint!
If you want to see a good Terrance Stamp movie... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:25:57 PM
See "Billy Budd". Fucking excellent and one of my all time favorites.
they will reboot it and make the same film over again by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 07:27:20 PM
cause the general movie going audience has the fucking short attention sp-
D 9 is coming out this fall by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 07:27:32 PM
Nice try "movie fan".
best STAMP film---the Phantom Menace!!! by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 07:28:07 PM
what the fuck was that??? one days work!
Yeah... by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS	Jul 9th, 2009 07:29:09 PM
All I'm saying is that when you're telling an origin story you expect to not see the cape show up till a good way into the movie. If you had no build up then it wouldn't have had the same impact when he finally does show up.
GI JOE is THE summer film to beat... by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 07:29:47 PM
or transformers 2..the idiot masses have spoken and that is what they want...mindless entertainment, sequels, remakes, and reboots. am i missing anything?
Ed Harris = Lex Luthor by JackBauer@CTU	Jul 9th, 2009 07:29:50 PM
Boom. Done.
the first superman was the ORIGIN... by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 07:30:26 PM
let it be!!!
Why Superman Returns sucked by Continentalop	Jul 9th, 2009 07:31:10 PM
Because he tried to make a sequel to Superman 2. To quote Heraclitus: "You can never step in the same river twice."
lockesbrokenleg... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:31:29 PM
Your missing the whole point and concentrating on the wrong thing. My point is where is the big hit this year? The true "blockbuster"? A great movie? The fucking season has nothing to do with it. IMO, the movies are getting lamer these past few years.
YOU FORGOT HARRY CRAPPER OMG!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 07:34:36 PM
You can take your teenie cousin to HARRY CRAPPER!!!
lockesbrokenleg..one more thing... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:34:43 PM
Fuck ya if you don't like my "quotes". LOL! ; )
Iron Man was the Origin by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 07:35:09 PM
And it fukken rocked! The First Blade was the Origin and it fukken rocked! Origins do not have to be boring.
lockes... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:36:28 PM
Harry Potter will probably suck too. This is the year of sheeeeeeot...
THIS JUST IN! vettebro HATES EVERYTHING!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 07:38:05 PM
We've already had at least three "blockbusters" this year. Star Trek, Transformers, UP, The Hangover, and even Watchmen to an extent.
Warrior...Yeah, but by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:38:29 PM
X-Men Origins: Wolverine Sucked ASSSSSSSSS!
Yeah Wolverine sucked by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 07:40:09 PM
I thought it was just as bad as SR. That should make the SR defenders happy
lockes...good point... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:40:18 PM
UP, Star Trek and The Hangover were good, but not blockbusters IMO. With UP being the best movie out of the three.
Blockbuster defined... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:44:02 PM
IMO: Star Wars Jaws The Matrix Raiders of the Lost Ark (you get the point)
Star Trek made more than ALL the previous Trek films! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 07:45:51 PM
And it was highly rated - blockbuster by any standard.
Superman I was dull? II not much better? by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 07:47:23 PM
Ok well then your opinion really means very little to me, it was an origin story as SDB said. Granted, II was a bit better, but dull? Sorry, cannot agree with you on that, and it's obvious you don't have too much love for Superman movies in general so when you say SR sucked, it is coming from a source that really doesn't like Superman movies much to begin with.
Superman:The Movie was NOT boring by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 07:48:15 PM

Superman II was NOT boring by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 07:48:41 PM

Casting & plot by Kobaal	Jul 9th, 2009 07:49:39 PM
Supes - Routh. He did a fine job and can probably act better now and hit the gym Lois - Rachael MacAdams. No contest The Kid - skip him for the next one Villian - Terrance Stamp Plot: dunno, but make it Dark Knight good
Stamp plays the villain on Smallville by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 07:50:57 PM
Well, he voices it, anyway, but you people slam it.
Dominic Purcell by SlowBurn	Jul 9th, 2009 07:51:53 PM
I always thought he would have been great as Superman and Clark Kent.
Stamp voices by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 07:53:23 PM
Jor-el on smallville
dominic purcell by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 07:54:18 PM
would make a great metallo. superman, not so much
Superman Cast & Plot by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 07:56:03 PM
Superman - Routh. He did do a nice job. (Script sucked) Lois - TBD (someone with spunk and charisma) The Kid - What kid? (It didn't really happen so forget it) Villian - Ben Foster Plot: Ben Foster kills Superman with some of that super wicked nasty kryptonite shit. I'm not talking the weak green shit either. The End.
make it a legion story by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 07:59:07 PM
some threat from the future that challenges supes. then have the legion grab the kid and pull him into the future, and then saturn girl could make everyone forget. retcon w/o a reboot
dominic from his john doe days... by SlowBurn	Jul 9th, 2009 08:01:56 PM
Back then I was convince he would be great in the role. I still think so. But I can see were his stint on prison break might bring metallo to mind.
Or... by vettebro	Jul 9th, 2009 08:04:07 PM
Superman decides he's tired of making the child support payments. So he does light speed circles around the earth in reverse, just like the original movie. Bang! The kid never happened, AND Superman meets a different Lois Lane. One that doesn't look like Kate B. There you go...a fresh start.
good point slowburn by antimcgyver	Jul 9th, 2009 08:05:29 PM
I never caught John Doe, only have seen him on prison break. he is a good actor though
Superman Returns is just too grey and unwatchable by HermesTrismestigus	Jul 9th, 2009 08:07:14 PM
It bored me out of my mind and there was no energy in the performances. They cut out stuff that made routh look good, But what amazed me was that they had a premise where superman was gone for five years which was perfect to have the world attacked and taken over by some supervillain. Superman could have come back and been a real hero, and they better bring back Truth, Justice, and the American way...I want to see some flag waving dammit.
Why shoud Siegel's family get anything? by careyleefisher	Jul 9th, 2009 08:08:01 PM
I am not trying to sound cold and uncaring here but why should the Siegel family be entitled to anything? Siegel and Shuster signed a valid contract with DC comics. Then when they saw what a gold mine Superman turned into then all of a sudden they want their creation back? This makes no sense to me at all. I have used this analogy before on this subject but Siegel and Shuster created Superman but it was the marketing and money that DC put into the character that made Superman thrive. Siegel and Shuster certainly did not put one dime of their own money into the cost of publishing Superman comic books on a massive scale or producing the merchandise. They did not put one cent into creating the Superman franchise. This would be like someone selling their tiny general store and the buyer spends millions of dollars and turns that same store into a Wal Mart. Then the original owner wants their store back after the buyer spent millions of dollars turning it into something the original owner could never have financed. DC is financially and creatively responsible for taking Superman to heights of success that Siegel and Shuster did not have the resources to accomplish. And let's not forget that the sum they were paid for Superman was good money in the 1930's. Just because that sum looks paltry by today's standards does not mean that Siegel and Shuster were ripped off. They made a business deal and it should have been honored by the courts. Now, DC and Warner Bros are constantly being taken to court by family members who had absolutely nothing to do with Superman's creation. Can anyone tell me why the families, who had nothing to do with Superman's creation, should be entitled to anything?
Even though Routh had to trade sexual favors to get hired by Youngblood	Jul 9th, 2009 08:08:36 PM
It worked out for him. He has a career now. well kind of
Warrior, I agree. Superman the Movie was dull by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 08:10:37 PM
I actually saw Superman in theater as a child. I remember the two year long build up to it. And the tagline "You will believe a man can fly!" No movie since Jaws had me as excited to see it. I saw Star Wars in a half-empty theater the first week it came out. It had no build up before its release. But Superman had the kind of hype that is hard to believe in pre-internet days. I could not wait. And it opened huge! I wanted to see Krypton being blown to bits. I wanted to see what all that money paid to Brando went for. I wanted to see Ma and Pa Kent and the farm. I wanted to see Clark grow into a man. But I really wanted to see Superman fly! And When he FINALLY did, it was amazing. Yes, now you can see the wires, but then it was awesome. But as great as Hackman was. As great As Reeve was. As great as the whole supporting cast was - even ugly ass Margot Kidder (only Snaggle tooth Dunst beats her in ugly heroine/love interest contest), something was missing. The scenes when Supes was flying and doing super stuff were thrilling, but the inbetween times and pacing and story were just deadly dull. I was twelve years old, and bored to tears at times. It was a boring flick for all of the man of steel's flying around. It reminds me of Star Trek the motion picture. Just deadly dull. Reeves charisma puts Superman in the top ten of superhero movies. But low in the top ten. Superman Returns was not a badly made movie; Singer is a talented Director. But it was badly written and plotted. It was badly conceived and executed. And Singer has no one to blame but himself.
What's so horrific about Superman Returns exactly? by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 08:12:03 PM
I've never been able to figure out why so many talkbackers hate this one with a passion?
I almost peed laughing... by brute101	Jul 9th, 2009 08:14:59 PM
...when I read some Talkbacker's comments that they think Tom (my career is over) Welling can act and should be in the next Supes movie....bawaaaaahahahahahah! If pouting and looking 'concerned' once in awhile is 'acting', then by all means...
Superman 1 nuked the fridge before any other movie by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 08:15:23 PM
The reverse world spin is actually the stupidest thing I've ever seen on film. Think... just think about the physics of that. Let's say you actually could reverse the way the earth spun... the earth spins so fast that the minute you slow it down everything would fly off of it... trees would be uprooted... every living thing would be instantly killed. And going back in time? This was a hairbrained idea even for the 70s. What a stupid, stupid scene.
conti--whats the problem of making a sequel to SM2?? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 08:17:21 PM
that's usually what sequels do, they follow the previous story..i thought it was a great followup to it...he was gone for 5 years they let lex go lois moved on. whats not to like?
JAWS nuked the fridge before Supes by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 08:19:10 PM
Whem audiences accepted you could kill a shark by shoving an oxygen tank down its throat and then shooting at it.
My beef with Superman Returns by nyj_et	Jul 9th, 2009 08:21:10 PM
was Kevin Spacey. I was really looking forward to his take on Lex Luthor. How freakin' cool would that be, right? But no, we get him doing Gene Hackman through most of the movie. I loved Hackman's Luthor, but I had seen it already. I had no expectations or Routh, and thought he did a decent job as Christopher Reeve. Being an unknown that should have been his job. But Spacey as Luthor? That was a real missed opportunity. The closest you get to him putting any of himself into thr role is during his "Prometheus" speech.
DWAYNE JOHNSON IS SUPERMAN. by Shermdawg	Jul 9th, 2009 08:23:39 PM
TOMMY LEE JONES IS JONATHAN KENT (A Widower) ANNE HATHAWAY IS LOIS LANE THAT CHEKOV KID IS JIMMY OLSEN...
Is there such a thing as Talkbacker Kryptonite? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:27:21 PM
Because I wish someone would use it on lockesbrokenleg. Egads, what a useless Talkbacker.
No way, Shermdawg! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:28:04 PM
Supes is JON HAMM!!! HAMM IS THE MAN!
Welling gets paid $10 million a year for SV by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 08:29:52 PM
I read it on some tv website. He's renegotiated a couple of times. First to $6 million and now $10 million for seasons 9 and 10. He would have to take a huge pay cut to star in the movie. Warners only wants to pay about $1 million to their Superman star (what they paid Routh). Even a new reboot actor would only get paid about that much. Which is why I don't think we'll see Welling or Worthington or anyone in a higher pay scale in the new movie.
If reality was the basis for all movies by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 08:30:05 PM
Then all movies would be boring as fuck. Period. So a shark was killed with an oxygen tank, so what? Yea it was a stretch but who cares, a great movie capped by a great ending. I have seen things in other movies that make that seem very plausible. Like a shark screaming in the god awful cannot get any worse than this Jaws The Revenge. Even Spielberg would not have done something as incredibly stupid as making a shark scream.
careyleefisher by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 08:30:34 PM
The created a multi-billion dollar franchise. Billions of dollars have flowed into the DC/Warners coffers from Superman and ancillary products. Siegel and Shuster were given a pittance, even by 1940's standards. They were practically children when they signed the contract. But forget that for a moment. No matter how old they were, the contracts of the day were onerous and slanted entirely in favor of the publishing house. Writers could make money back then. Writers of novels. But the funny books or cartoons - comics, writers and creators were not given a dime. Superman has been a monster success almost from very beginning. Radio shows, serials, spin off mags, books, movies, TV. Every type of product imaginable. S&S received a lump sum deal of about $100k back in the late 40's. A fine sum, but nowhere near what the propery was worth. even then. Divide that by two and try to live off of it the rest of your life. When your creation spawned an industry. Yes, others took it further than they could ever have. BUt no one would have been able to unless it was created in the first place. And they created Superman! By the 60's that 100k was almost gone. And they had no real legal recourse or money to fight DC. It was not until Neal Adams took it upon himself in the late sixties to get them something. That fight lasted about eight years until DC 'generously' gave them $20k per year for the rest of their lives. That was it. For Superman. 20k per year. Do you really think that is fair?
Mr. Nice Gaius, I agree by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 08:31:25 PM
I try to ignore him but then he'll say something completely retarded and out of left field.
I find this news encouraging by nyj_et	Jul 9th, 2009 08:32:51 PM
"sometimes you do your best work when you have a gun to your head." -Chili Palmer
Chekov kid as Jimmy Olsen by Buffy_	Jul 9th, 2009 08:33:18 PM
That is a pretty good call Shermdawg.
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 08:35:52 PM
Hey, Fucknut, enjoy your showing of Bruno you fucking douchebag.
Oh boy here we go by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 08:37:27 PM
More childish insults, can there ever be a TB without any? Nope, this is AICN TB. Immaturity is rampant here.
Hola MNG by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 08:40:17 PM
You and Lib War in same TB. Must be trolls afoot!
MattmanReturns by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:41:36 PM
I hear ya. I think lockes is a prime example of a compulsive TB poster. He needs meds. Nice post on the "reverse world spin" too, BTW. Even when I was a kid, that scene made me roll my eyes. It's beyond silly.
"...enjoy your showing of Bruno..." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:42:36 PM
Brilliant reply, lockes. No, really. I'm stunned at its originality and effectiveness.
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 08:43:07 PM
So, your favorite movie is The Bad News Bears right? A movie with a flying person didn't make you roll your eyes, but when he went back in time, it did? You're a douche.
nyj_et by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 08:44:29 PM
how odd--i just watched get shorty today..good such a great film you're going down, orson!
TKD! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:45:11 PM
Hola to you as well, sir. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. Yeah, I saw Lib Warrior kicking up some dust over here. It's been awhile since he hit the boards.
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 08:46:26 PM
Are all you trolls having fun jerking yourselves off?
Yes, that's right lockes. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:46:35 PM
My favorite movie is THE BAD NEWS BEARS. How did you guess?
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 08:47:44 PM
You are a douche. Do you ever talk about anything other than yourself EVER?
I know. I have not seen Lib War in a while by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 08:50:34 PM
Dude is too damn funny! I saw this quote "But just because there are plenty of people who think Plan 9 from outer space is the finest movie ever made, does not make their opinion worth a bottle of warm platypus piss." Things are very well on my side of the planet. Life is good. Superman Returns - not so good.
What the Funny Fuk is Wrong with loving Bad New Bears? by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 08:53:41 PM
Someone have a problem with that? If you do...Bring it.
lockesbrokenpussy by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:54:05 PM
What's that? How am I talking about myself? Please try to make sense when you're addressing me. Thanks!
Small scale Supes or large scale - either way will be cool by Miyamoto_Musashi	Jul 9th, 2009 08:54:15 PM
Small scale - like the powered down Supers set in the 1930's. or Large scale we have modern Earth invaded by large scale alien forces. Either way we don't need to spend time on an origin reboot. Watchmen style titles works for me. My preference is that Darkseid is the main villan whether its set in the 1930's or modern times. Luthor will be a part of it, but not the main villan. If its not a reboot and if we go with Singer's storyline, I would like to see Luthor being instrumental in protecting Earth as well. Which could be the catalyst for Luthor creating a global corporation and being more of the modern Luthor. If we go the reboot path, Anne Hathaway would be a great choice as Lois Lane.
When the next Supes films comes out, I know I can rely by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 08:55:10 PM
on this site to bash it.
Hola Lib War! by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 08:56:20 PM
Whut up dude? BTW I love Bad News Bears! Matthau was awesome. Tatum O'Neal and Rorshach were great!
Who doesn't like Bad News Bears? by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 08:56:45 PM
You've got problems Locke.
TKD by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 08:57:34 PM
"platypus piss". HA! Nice. Yeah, when the Warrior is about, the trolls run for the bridges. Glad to hear things are well. I wish we could say the same for the state of summer movies...
Toad by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 08:58:16 PM
Been a while.
Darkseid probably wouldn't work. by Durendal	Jul 9th, 2009 08:58:45 PM
I know he's a badass character, but he's a bit too out there, a bit too comic-booky for the established Superman universe. Maybe I'm wrong on that, but I think it might come off as a bit of a stretch giving the established films. Doomsday, on the other hand, could be adapted to screen pretty well and could make for a goddamned kickass "Death of Superman" movie.
BAD NEWS BEARS is the shit! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:00:57 PM
lockesbrokenpussy is just ignorant of this fact - hence the utter FAIL of his attempted cutdown.
Superman: Red Son by fatjesuschrysler	Jul 9th, 2009 09:02:03 PM
I know it'll never happen. A boy can dream can't he?
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:02:46 PM
No. it's a shit movie, though.
Hail, Liberal_Warrior! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:02:53 PM
Question: on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate lockesbrokenpussy's level of motardedness?
Nice Gaius by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 09:03:26 PM
Like I said, he just comes out of left field with shit like that. "You're probably one of those douches that liked Shawshank Redemption." Crazy shit. If he were smart he'd just shut the fuck up. But I have a feeling another brilliant reply is on its way. Let's see what happens.
Why Death of Superman wont work by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 09:03:50 PM
They done already pissed off the fans and general public with the piece of diseased sheep shit called Supes Returns. If they plan a multi picture arc that has Superman dying - when everyone knows he aint gonna, but you have to wait two or three other pics to see the payoff, well it will just piss people off even more. Do a self contained kick ass action movie. Then hope people come back to see it. Then worry about a follow-up.
MattmanReturns by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:05:14 PM
I bet your wife enjoyed that beating you have her last night.
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:06:04 PM
On a scale of 1 to 10 how many kids have you had sex with this week?
What are you, 12? by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 09:07:48 PM
Another off topic insult having nothing to do with anything.
Gaius: 11 by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 09:08:18 PM

(on a scale of 1 to 10) by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 09:08:46 PM

MNG - locke is a Minor Motard by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 09:09:17 PM
Not even worth my time .- He just wants to get Black Rhino ass fukked on a TB.
MattmanReturns by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:09:27 PM
Well, I've told ol' lockey-boy that he uses AICN Talkback like it's his own Twitter account. So, if you ever want to know what he's thinking or what he's up to, this is the place! Did you see when he was spamming the recent obituary threads? Wow. Classy guy.
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:11:36 PM
Yeah, you're the same classy guy that keeps getting called out in the TV section, right?
Rampaging Black Rhinos! by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 09:12:28 PM
Dude is fucked now!
Liberal_Warrior by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:13:24 PM
I would consider upgrading lockester to a MAJOR MOTARD...especially if he's asking for a Black Rhino ass fucking. Don't be kind on him just because he's "special".
lockesbrokenpussy by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:15:06 PM
How, where, and when did I get called out in the TV section? Explain.
And for anyone keeping count... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:16:45 PM
...locke managed to work in a wife beating joke and a kid fucking joke. Both bombed.
EVERY film has a JUMP THE SHARK moment by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 09:19:00 PM
it just depends on if you believe in it when that moment occurs. thats what makes some films great and others not so much...in ET you believe the bike flying, in superman, a man can fly (it WAS the tagline) otherwise we would be watching bergman films (not 7th seal obviously)
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:20:07 PM
And you managed to twist the thread around to talk about you again. Congrats! Ever thought about therapy?
"Look! up in the sky! It's a turd! And, It's lame!" by Ricky Retardo	Jul 9th, 2009 09:22:34 PM
"It's Brandon Routh as Superskinnyman!"
I'll ask you again, lockesbrokenpussy. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:22:56 PM
How am I talking about myself (aka twisting the thread around)? AND What do you mean by your comment about the TV section?
Brandon Routh looked like Bruno in tights by Sweet Action Hero	Jul 9th, 2009 09:23:35 PM
imitating his masculine father. I also love how this LOST fanboy—on this site—proves once again he is a factory wrapped douche. keep it up, you're funny.
Look! up in the sky! It's fanboys whining again! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:24:07 PM
Meanwhile, people in the real world enjoy a movie without comparing it to the 100s of movies they saw a week ago.
Still no answer, locke??? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:27:00 PM
You're such a loser.
Last by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:29:29 PM
last.
and why do you guys think Routh is gay again??? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 09:30:24 PM
hes married and this isnt the 50s where you need to pretend. if he was gay, then he would say so or better yet, say no comment. i think you have a problem with his sweet looks and singer being gay. get over it boys. had yu not known singer to be gay, then these coments wouldnt be made. grow up.
WOW. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:31:43 PM
Congratulations, lockesbrokenleg. That may be the most pathetic thing I've seen on AICN.
"hes married" by Sweet Action Hero	Jul 9th, 2009 09:32:16 PM
so is tom cruise. next.
mattman returns is married too by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:33:09 PM
Snicker.
Six Demon by nyj_et	Jul 9th, 2009 09:33:14 PM
Yeah, me too. made me think of that line. HDNet Movies rules.
Tonight's Smallville Rerun by nyj_et	Jul 9th, 2009 09:37:35 PM
Was BS. Why would Clark not want to bang the bejesus out of Maxima?
lockesbrokenleg—i fucking love your opinions! by Sweet Action Hero	Jul 9th, 2009 09:38:11 PM
and then just to throw in 'people in the real world', witty.
The Hulk Hogan joke above... by Sweet Action Hero	Jul 9th, 2009 09:40:35 PM
...brought me back to the golden era of AICN. I WANT A SPOILER. A MAJOR SPOILER. AT THIS POINT I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT WHAT. PLEASE, RUIN SOMETHING FOR ME.
I LIKE WOMEN! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:41:30 PM
I heard Mr. Nice Gaias likes guys.
lockesbrokenpussy by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:44:10 PM
How big of a coward are you anyway? Why won't you answer my simple questions?
Locke - insult a man to his 'face' on these boards by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 09:45:36 PM
Don't fukken skulk over to another TB to insult MNG. You fukken cowardly piece of baboon shit!
LOL you babies. by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:46:51 PM
Grow the fuck up please.
Mr. Nice Gaius by Sweet Action Hero	Jul 9th, 2009 09:46:52 PM
leave him alone. he's been having a tough time—out in the real world— since john locke died.
This kinda reminds me of what happened to Ann Rice by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 09:51:45 PM
And why we never got a Vampire Lestat movie to follow up Interview with the Vampire, but instead a lower priced Queen of the Dammed as a sequel.... Well at least no one is screaming for proof of where James Cameron ripped off Harlan Ellison.
Liberal_Warrior by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:52:10 PM
You mean lockes is so afraid to engage me here that he had to lob some sort of half-assed insult somwhere else (thinking I wouldn't find out)?! HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!
Just saw Dreams w/ Sharp Teeth by Sweet Action Hero	Jul 9th, 2009 09:54:51 PM
loved it.
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:55:54 PM
So, was your ass sore after you and MattMan Returns got together last night?
Sweet Action Hero by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:56:06 PM
That's just it, I don't think he knows what it's like to be in the real world. It's very clear that ol' lockey-boy is a cellar dwellar of the lowest order. He didn't have a job when he was "skywalkerfamily" and I seriously doubt he has one now. How could he with the amount of time he spends posting here?
locke - you're an inbred spawn of ass raped macaque by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 09:56:47 PM
Arent you? See I don't insult you when you are not in the same TB All right you motarded piece diseased camel diarrhea assdrip... you ant to rock with the Warrior? Bring it
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:57:48 PM
YOU post here more than I do, and you have some sort of weird gay crush fetish on me because you always talk about me.
Cue up another lame comeback by locke. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:57:56 PM
And further evidence of his cowardice as he refuses to answer my simple questions.
Liberal_Warrior by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 09:58:27 PM
I think you rocked Mr. Gay Ass last night.
Ok another TB wasted with insults and arguing by rogueleader66	Jul 9th, 2009 09:58:51 PM
Grrrrrrrr wtf else is new around here. Sometimes I wish people would grow up and move on, instead things have to be drawn out to the point that the TB is hijacked by children fighting. Not calling out ANYONE in particular, just making a general statement of fact.
No, I don't lockesbrokenpussy. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 09:59:47 PM
A cursory look over the website will show that you post on AICN waaayyy more than I do. I'm talking like exponential figures here. Do you know what those are, lockes?
rogueleader66 by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:01:01 PM
Oh, come on. Don't be so overwrought. This site needs a Flame War every now and again.
Mr. Nice Gaius Ah, so the douche admits he trolls by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 10:02:01 PM
for attention. Nice job genius.
Mr. Nice Gaius by Sweet Action Hero	Jul 9th, 2009 10:02:16 PM
i couldn't agree w/ you more. but that's why it's sooo fucking funny. he thinks he has taste and class. he was 'skywalkerfamily'? now THAT'S fucking funny.
lockesbrokenpussy - Speaking of trolling for attention... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:04:33 PM
...I gotta hand it to you for your "admirable" work in some of the obituary Talkbacks. Let me ask you another question (that you probably won't answer): Did you think you were being funny?
Locke by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 10:05:00 PM
Just because you like to whack off on a crack addicts toilet seat and lap up the remains, does not give you the right to wipe your ass on the keyboard and expect anyone to understand you.
Well, this threa died. Good job trolls by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 10:06:28 PM
Continue on with the petty bickering.
Oh, Fuck yeah! Lib War flaming by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 10:09:54 PM
Flame on dude! Where the hell is Fred? He should be here eating popcorn. Ring side seats for the killing of another troll by the king!
WHERE IS BRINGING SEXY BACK? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 10:11:21 PM
That fucker starts every flame war on this site.
lockesbrokenpussy = Thread Killer by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:12:20 PM
Seriously, you bring TBs to a grinding halt every time you show up. But with the Lib Warrior bring the Black Rhino love, this place just got interesting!
Darkseid - can't work but Doomsday can ? by Miyamoto_Musashi	Jul 9th, 2009 10:13:35 PM
Seriously, one big ugly Alien can, cause he is just a brute, rather than being this intelligent leader ?
locke you motarded scumfuk! by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 10:13:54 PM
You dead armadillo fukker! Don't run away now!
The Wachowskis fucking SUCK! by scriptgirl_nipples	Jul 9th, 2009 10:15:04 PM

ChoclateWoman by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:15:32 PM
Jump in, honey.
Locke - Dumber than a piece of ten day old zombie shit by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 10:17:27 PM
And a fukken coward. A no talent goat fukken coward
first ROUTH gay?? now Lockes and Gaius??? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 10:17:57 PM
what.the.fuck.
Once again, lockesbrokenpussy has proven that... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:18:04 PM
...he is one unemployed, cowardly sonofabitch who is incapable of answering the simplest of questions or writing a post that consists of more than say...five sentences.
And I'm being generous with the five sentences part. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:18:56 PM

wachowskis made 3/5 good films. by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 10:18:58 PM
bound, matrix, speed racer. V for vendetta if you wanna get technical.
Six Demon Bag by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:21:12 PM
Hey man, watch your back. Lockes will try a reach around and before you know it, ChoclateWoman will try to impale you with her double-ended dildo. It's like fucking Sodom in here.
locke - you afterbirth of a warthog raped wildebeast by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 10:21:24 PM
You started it. But I will definitely finish it.
Gauis just admot your love forr me! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 10:21:40 PM
The way you bitch and moan about me is proof you love me. Come here smoochy!
SixDemonBag, re=Sequel to Superman II by Continentalop	Jul 9th, 2009 10:22:15 PM
Like I said, you can never step in the same river twice. The problem with Superman Returns IMO is it tries to be two things: a salute/sequel to the first two and the start of a new series. I think you can’t be both. Singer was trying to recreate something and when you do that you remind your audience that it is a poor imitation. It also used to many elements from the first two movies – especially with Luthor trying to do another real estate scam, having a female sidekick who is sympathetic to Superman, going to the Fortress of Solitude, etc. Plus, the big flaw in the movie is that it acts like Superman 2 only happened six years ago or so. If that is the case than Kent was only Superman on Earth for only a couple of years before he went to Krypton - Amazing how people got so dependent on him in such a short time. It also makes Superman look selfish that he would completely throw aside his responsibilities. I think the movie could of worked if they cast different actors. Sure Routh was ok, but he works as a young Superman. Superman Returns needed an older actor, someone who could portray a Superman we could believe had been guarding us for years and then disappeared for five years. It would then explain Lois bitterness – she sat around mooning over him for years and then she suddenly he leaves without saying a word to her. And it would explain Luthor’s anger and bitterness towards him if he had been in prison for say 10 or 15 years instead of just a couple. Plus I think the audience could deal with Super-Son if they saw it as one of the last chapters in Superman’s life instead of what was being set up as one of the first in a new batch of adventures. Superman having a kid at age 25-29 seems wrong, Superman having a 10 year old son at age 45 doesn’t seem so annoying.
call me six demon caligula by Six Demon Bag	Jul 9th, 2009 10:22:17 PM

Oh, and V For Vendetta sucked shit by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 10:23:05 PM
That movie made Hugo Weaving boring. Quite a feat.
Superman Returns was a classy picture by darthvedder81	Jul 9th, 2009 10:23:33 PM
Easily my favorite "event" movie of the last few years. I can understand why modern audiences didn't warm to it though: mainly it's lack of irony, shakey-cam, and non-rapid fire editing. Today's audiences would probably find Raiders of the Lost Ark "too slow."
Damn Lib War! I am laughing my ass off! by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 10:25:28 PM
"locke - you afterbirth of a warthog raped wildebeast by Liberal_Warrior" That is some funny shit! Unless you are lockesbrokleg, or the wildebeast!
Liberal, come on over here and give you a smoochy by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 10:26:31 PM

"admot"??? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:27:23 PM
What the hell does that mean, lockes?
locke - dude, he is fucking you up! by toadkillerdog	Jul 9th, 2009 10:30:03 PM
And I don't think he is even warmed up yet! I am enjoying the fuck out of this! Dude, you gotta have a better comeback besides 'smoochy' just makes you look wimpy as hell. He is mopping the floor with you! Fight back!
I'll tell you what I do love... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:30:44 PM
...the fact that you still won't answer my questions. Snicker.
Well, if it please the Chair, I yield the floor to Liberal Warri by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 9th, 2009 10:32:28 PM
...take it away, sir!
SR made more money that Gauis did pimping yesterday by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 10:32:52 PM

locke - snivelling Black Rhino fukked bastard by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 10:33:22 PM
You got nothing more than that? I knew I was wasting my time with you. Go back to your playpen and squeeze your ducky - you aint even ready for the big time.
Completely fine with the idea of Super-kid by Pop_aristocrat	Jul 9th, 2009 10:40:05 PM
Its a story that should be explored, and film is the one medium to do it in. Kids are a no-no in the comics, and that's the only reason he's never had one in the book, because there is no aging in comic books. He's been the same Super-age for 70 years. If Lois has a baby, either it grows up, and supes grows old, or he has an infant for the next 7 decades. Batman is the most successful exception with Dick growing from Robin to Nightwing over the course of 60+ years. But look at Fantastic Four, their kid was born in 1965, and he's still five years old, while the Power Pack kids, of which he used to be a part, are all teenagers now. How does that work? The films are a great place to explore Superman as a father and the results of his super-powered progeny, as the story has a finite time-span to explore, and it adds some personal drama and strife to challenge the invincible hero.
Locke - slurp some black rhino semen and try grow a pair by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 10:44:42 PM
You jizz juicer! oh wait you already do that and it still doesn't help!
Superman has sucked since Superman II. by hallmitchell	Jul 9th, 2009 10:47:13 PM
This is a travesty of justice.
Superman Returns IMO retreaded tire by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 10:48:55 PM
Sfx were perfect IMO acting was quality.... Story was a major retread of of things I'd seen.. and not in some cool "adapt Bob Kane and Bill Finger exposition for the first time" kinda retread. Basically didn't like the 4th appearance of Lex Luthor on film, though Kevin Spacey's portrayal was brilliant. I didn't like his 2nd real estate scam. In Supe 2 the original cut Supes had the brainwashing kiss for Lois, so the whole love story angle in the film is A HUGE PLOTHOLE. Basically the film should have been a proper reboot like the Batman films.
COMPARED TO LIBERAL_WARRIOR, TITBAG'S A BREATH OF FRESH AIR by BringingSexyBack	Jul 9th, 2009 10:53:03 PM

I'D TAKE PONCES AND MONGS OVER MACAQUES AND ARMADILLOS by BringingSexyBack	Jul 9th, 2009 10:54:32 PM
any day of the week.
Does this mean we get fun-ton torpedoes? by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 10:57:09 PM
or phasers set to fun?
PunkAssSexyBitchBack - you spawn of crack addicts toilet seat by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 10:58:58 PM
Go kiss a pustulating zombie crack
Dream Supes movie directed by Stallone by JoeSixPack	Jul 9th, 2009 11:01:03 PM
Directed by: Sylvester Stallone Written by: Sylvester Stallone and David S. Goyer Starring: ??? (Maybe Josh Hartnett) as Clark Kent/Superman Keira Knightley as Lois Lane Michael Cera as Jimmy Olsen Villains: Bizzaro Gerard Butler as Brainiac Plot: Don't care, just throw Bizarro and Brainiac it in with a lot of action. Gritty Rambo style hard enough violence to barely escape an R rating. Instant classic.
Nothing say AICN TB by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:02:41 PM
without someone who needs to douche the sand out of their vagina. Someone's getting pwned.... I know who..
not taking sides, but Liberal_Warrior's "insults" sound by vaudeville villain	Jul 9th, 2009 11:04:20 PM
like a drunken-played game of Mad Libs. just grabbing any word you can think of and seeing what sticks, eh? i hear ya. carry on.
Joe6pack by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:05:19 PM
I like that more the Superman Returns already.
Actually, Ed Furlong as Supes post weight loss by JoeSixPack	Jul 9th, 2009 11:07:15 PM
That would be awesome.
vaudeville villain - go twirl a monkeys ass stache by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 11:08:43 PM
And I am taking sides
Yeah toadKillerDog, Lib likes warthog raped wildebeasts by D.Vader	Jul 9th, 2009 11:11:49 PM
He's used it before. Its like a greatest hits record over here.
Vader - go fuk a double ended lightsaber by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 11:17:55 PM
And put PunkAssSexyBitchBack on the other end
It will take alot! by hopeless	Jul 9th, 2009 11:20:13 PM
To get me to see a new Superman movie!!!!! And by alot I mean big fights out of this world action a believable Lois and Superman doing more then flying around and lifting stuff over his head and not to mention no more peeping tom stalkerish Superman...Oh and kill the kid!!!!!!!
kindly enlighten me as to what a monkey's "ass stache" by vaudeville villain	Jul 9th, 2009 11:26:07 PM
is, exactly, and i just may take you up on the offer. i apologize in advance for misplacing my Webster's English to Cunt Dictionary.
It's the thing sitting on your upper lip by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 11:28:09 PM
Beating off with both hands
LIB_WARRIOR IS MAKING ALL KINDS OF FRIENDS AINT HE by BringingSexyBack	Jul 9th, 2009 11:30:34 PM
LOL
PunkAssSexyBitchBack - not everyone has ur need for TB love by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 11:33:18 PM
And attention and 'friends'. Pathetic PunkAss
and do you have a personal vendetta against the letter by vaudeville villain	Jul 9th, 2009 11:34:00 PM
"c?" not too sure what you have going on there with the "fukk," "fuk," and whatnot. though it's kinda cute... in a "i ride the short bus because i'm speshal!!" kind of way.
I'm going to read a few of the earlier posts by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:34:17 PM
Never thought an article about a copyright suit would get so haterifically out of control.
THIS WHAT YOU CALL TB LOVE? by BringingSexyBack	Jul 9th, 2009 11:34:43 PM
You can keep it, Libtardo.
look, just do this.... by BendersShinyAss	Jul 9th, 2009 11:36:13 PM
Make superman returns the start of bozzaro world and then have the real superman fight him. everyone wins
vaudeville villain by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 11:36:29 PM
fukker
I saw SR at 40,000ft over the pacific... by conspiracy	Jul 9th, 2009 11:39:07 PM
Its fun watching aircraft falling out of the sky when you are in one.
Picking sides by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:39:28 PM
Are you Autobot or Decepticon?
Man, I go have a snack and you guys are still at it? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 11:40:42 PM
Wow.
better yet... by BendersShinyAss	Jul 9th, 2009 11:40:55 PM
just get jake galagur and make an all new kick arse action superman film.... no bullshit. just hardcore superman action
Punkass Decepticon by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:41:26 PM
If you defy me....
I'm not married, Locke by MattmanReturns	Jul 9th, 2009 11:43:36 PM
I'm not sure why you've invented an imaginary wife for me that I beat regularly. That's some sick shit, man. I can only assume you fabricated this to distract others from the fact that you ignore every fact presented in argument, responding with childish insults.
Hardcore Supe action by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:43:50 PM
You know CGI can do it right. We need a fresh story with any villan other than Lex Luther so that Metropolis can get desrtoyed in the final conflict!!!
can i choose Gobot? by vaudeville villain	Jul 9th, 2009 11:46:48 PM
always was partial to Turbo.
Superman is a great character by Liberal_Warrior	Jul 9th, 2009 11:48:26 PM
Just make a fukken movie worthy of him and people will flock to it. It does not need a rebooted origin. It does not need an origin at all. The whole world knows Superman. Just do it right and make an action adventure movie with action!
Let Kevin Smith have IT. by mistergreen	Jul 9th, 2009 11:51:16 PM
He'll geek out and throw in the kitchen sink. But it couldn't any worse than the previous ones. Remember Superman III, IV, V?
DIDN'T NIC CAGE WANT TO PLAY SUPERMAN? by DrMorbius	Jul 9th, 2009 11:54:09 PM

Guardian or Renegade by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:54:37 PM
When is someone going to make a gobots movie again?
Superman III is not that bad really by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 9th, 2009 11:54:43 PM
It's terribly dated, but there is humor and nice Super rescue scenes. The entire opening credits scene is a lot of fun.
Nic Cage got $20 mill up front by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:55:43 PM
before the film went into development hell
Supe 3 by DarthSaul666	Jul 9th, 2009 11:57:29 PM
I liked the Bad Santa kinda take on Supe. Wasn't into the Richard Pryor stuff. Took me outta the movie quick
The Super Rescue I liked in III was when the guy by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 12:00:43 AM
drives over the fire hydrant, and his car starts flooding, and Supes rescues him. Pryor was really dated. It was over the top when he skied off the building and lands in the middle of the street and just walks off.
Yeah, Superman III... fucking brilliant. by MattmanReturns	Jul 10th, 2009 12:03:44 AM
Just like you, Locke.
as for SR, i'm in favor of salvaging Routh by vaudeville villain	Jul 10th, 2009 12:06:18 AM
while leaving everything else by the wayside. sorry Singer. i get what you were aiming at but... well, i'd hate to say "epic fail," but that's the phrase that comes to mind. as stated hundreds of times above, i'm sure, let's see Supes pit against a force which would actually require him to... hmm, i don't know, FIGHT maybe? let's see some punches thrown. cars used as Louisville Sluggers. Supes (or villain) getting knocked through three blocks worth of buildings. arial combat. let's see him be... well, super! i mean, Kryptonite or no, there is no acceptable situation where Superman should ever get his ass handed to him by fucking Kumar. Kumar, people.
He did fight in SR though by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 12:12:03 AM
I liked the shot where the guy fires the bullet at his eye and it bounces off Supes doesn't have to fight. He can just stand there.
Pryor at the time wasn't dated by DarthSaul666	Jul 10th, 2009 12:12:34 AM
He was selling out.... Why dwell on that flick. Anyone watch the animated flick Superman/Doomsday? Shit sakes that flick was everything that Supe V wasn't, but animated. Supe/Doom was the shit!!!!
But are you... by DarthSaul666	Jul 10th, 2009 12:17:03 AM
Autobot or Decepticon? Or is it Guardian or Renegade?
yes, because watching him stand with his fists by vaudeville villain	Jul 10th, 2009 12:24:56 AM
by his side while bullets fly off his chest (and eyeball) is oh so novel and exciting! that hardly qualifies as a fight. not sure if you caught the animated series where he went toe to toe with Darkseid (getting thoroughly pummeled in the process), but THAT was a fight. now while the movie doesn't necessarily have to feature Darkseid (though in no way could it hurt), it should feature a presence which would allow Superman to go all out with his powers/force. haven't you had enough of him blowing out fires and catching large objects? PUNCH something, Kal-El, for fucks sakes!
Um ever read the comics? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 12:33:56 AM
Cause he mostly stands there while they fire shitloads of bullets at him, and then he just flies around a beats up people.
I wouldn't say "Epic Fail"... by tensticks	Jul 10th, 2009 12:43:29 AM
But rather noble failure. I agree, I see what Singer was going for, and to some extent I appreciate the parts of it that worked--but yes, sadly, more of it DIDN'T work than did. But Routh was the man. He was the best thing about it, and I really think he deserves another shot.
you what I thought was a good Supes flick by DarthSaul666	Jul 10th, 2009 12:44:28 AM
Hollywoodland.
Routh's contract expired by DarthSaul666	Jul 10th, 2009 12:47:36 AM
Him returning is on the not going to happen side of limbo.
They will reboot it again in a few years by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 12:50:42 AM
They did it with Batman.
For anyone new in the TB or not by DarthSaul666	Jul 10th, 2009 12:51:08 AM
Have you read the Variety article? My ultimate question.... Since the rights to Supes become exclusive to the descendants of Segel and Shuster in 4 years.... What if Superman became a Marvel character?
Zooey Deschanel as Lois Lane by KAOS11DIRECTOR	Jul 10th, 2009 12:54:32 AM
Routh as Superman again. Villain should be Brainiac. Lose the kid. Langella as Perry White. We're gonna need a new Jimmy!
I've seen clips of the SUPERMAN TV SERIES by DrMorbius	Jul 10th, 2009 12:55:08 AM
with George Reeves, as he stands with his hands on his hips with bullets bouncing off his chest, and when the gun is empty the bad guy throws it at him AND HE DUCKS! Bullets can't harm him but an empty revolver can! What's up with THAT!
DrMorbius is right! by KAOS11DIRECTOR	Jul 10th, 2009 12:57:58 AM
I remember seeing that shit and thought it was weird.
Don't know if anyone..... by DrMorbius	Jul 10th, 2009 01:00:27 AM
...mentioned her or not, but I still like ERICA DURANCE!
KAOS11 by DrMorbius	Jul 10th, 2009 01:02:12 AM
I like your idea of ZOOEY, but with darker hair.
Zooey Deschanel by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 01:06:57 AM
Um, who the fuck is that?
She was.. by KAOS11DIRECTOR	Jul 10th, 2009 01:10:49 AM
the dimwitted chick in the Happening but I think only 5 people saw that. She was also in Yes Man! and the Tinman Miniseries.
Oh, I never saw any of those. by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 01:12:19 AM

Okay, who was supposed to lock Lib_War's cage? by ebonic_plague	Jul 10th, 2009 01:13:59 AM
Dammit, you gotta be careful with WMD's like that! If there's black rhino semen and multi-colored macaque ass drippings all over the place in the morning, I sure as hell ain't cleaning it up!
Yea..like I said.. by KAOS11DIRECTOR	Jul 10th, 2009 01:14:52 AM
Probably only 5 people saw any of those...look her up on Internet Movie Database.
LOL dated TV by DarthSaul666	Jul 10th, 2009 01:16:19 AM
That shit is old and conforms to practicalities of the time. Like a Wolverine Movie with no blood nowadays to sell action figures. Shit any read one any William Gibson? I read this short story of his once from burning chrome... It started with some observations of dated mass disillusions.... Rather cool bit of writing.
Possible answer to all of WB's problems by Dark Knight Lite	Jul 10th, 2009 01:18:07 AM
Coax Nolan back into the Bat-fold by giving him Superman as a gov't lackey (initially) charged with hunting the Dark Knight. And throw in a 250-300 million dollar budget. If you believe the scuttlebutt, Nolan is only going to return if his brother and Goyer give him a story that piques his interest. Would Supes be that enticement? Could a flying, superpowered alien fit into Nolan's vision? Perhaps not, but if anyone can make it work, Nolan can. Routh can stay, just bring in some trainers to pump him up, and redesign the super-suit.
Pardon My grammers fucked up by DarthSaul666	Jul 10th, 2009 01:18:48 AM
I think I check out the dvd I rented.
In SR, they did mention Supes was seen in Gotham City by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 01:20:45 AM
And Lois talks about a story she was working on where clowns interrupted a birthday party, or something.
SUPERMAN REVIEW by TTMan	Jul 10th, 2009 01:47:23 AM
http://video.newsweek.com/#?c= 40211&l=1785302026&t=138235426 Finally this summer, the hype is justified. "Superman Returns" is everything you'd want it to be. It's reverential of the source material, yet a unique film all its own. It's steeped in decadent art-deco mood and details, yet completely current. It's joyous with the possibility of discovery, yet deeply moving in its melancholy. It should satisfy purists and attract new converts. But most importantly for a summer blockbuster, it's just outright thrilling. With technology having vastly improved since the original "Superman" from 1978, director Bryan Singer has constructed a visual marvel. The enormous set pieces are jaw-droppingly elaborate, especially a visceral near-plane crash toward the film's start that will leave you on the verge of simultaneous laughter and tears. (At a recent screening, it prompted many in the packed theater to burst into applause, and justifiably so.) Having infused the first two "X-Men" movies with equal amount of dazzle and heart, Singer shows he's the ideal choice to take over the beloved franchise. He definitely has his own vision, but he was smart enough to retain key elements from the original film, including John Williams' score — the first few notes of which will surely inspire a wistful sense of childhood nostalgia — and archive footage of Marlon Brando as Superman's father, Jor-El. And yet, there's something softer, sweeter, warmer about this "Superman" than its predecessors, both in its tone and its performances. With his jet-black hair, blue eyes, chiseled facial features and muscular bod, Brandon Routh bears a great resemblance to the late Christopher Reeve — and is just as lovably klutzy in bespectacled Clark Kent mode — but he portrays the DC Comics superhero with more introspection and vulnerability, and not as much slam-bang charisma. As Lex Luthor, Kevin Spacey does his best work since "American Beauty" and reminds us that, after starring in a string of maudlin flops, he still knows how to deliver a complex, subtle performance. He doesn't chew the scenery as Gene Hackman did in portraying the self-professed criminal mastermind, but he's smolderingly smarmy in a way that's just as amusing. Kate Bosworth, meanwhile — who happened to play Sandra Dee opposite Spacey's Bobby Darin in the soggy biopic "Beyond the Sea" — gives us a surprisingly toned-down Lois Lane. It's a bit jarring at first until you stop and realize that the hard-driving, chain-smoking girl reporter is a woman now; the mother to a young son with her longtime fiance (James Marsden), Lois has matured and found that her priorities have somewhat shifted. She doesn't need Superman to save her. She even wrote an editorial, "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman," to prove it — and earned a Pulitzer Prize in the process. Things have changed in "Superman Returns." And things have stayed the same. Sort of a sequel to 1980's "Superman II," this new film takes a little while to get going, but begins with the Man of Steel returning to Metropolis after a five-year absence. He'd gone searching for the remnants of his destroyed home planet, Krypton, and comes back to Earth finding that he still hasn't found what he's looking for. But he knows to begin life again as Clark Kent at The Daily Planet (where Frank Langella has taken over as a comparatively authoritative Editor Perry White) and he responds just as instinctively to the first signs of trouble. At the same time, Lex Luthor is back, too. He's gotten out of prison on a technicality and has an expanded posse of sycophants, including the always hilarious Parker Posey as his floozy Girl Friday in an eye-popping array of '40s-style ensembles. Here, as in the original "Superman," Lex has his eye on land, but instead of taking over California, he wants his own continent. As always, Superman must stop him while simultaneously rescuing Lois, both literally and emotionally. Yes, "Superman Returns" is rooted firmly in the action-packed comic book world, which should keep the fanboys happy. But fundamentally, it's also a romance — a story of unattainable, impossible love that aches with longing and sadness. There is, of course, the theory that Superman functions as a Christ figure — that Jor-El sent his only son to Earth to light the way for humanity. And you could argue that now, more than ever, we need a superhero to swoop down and fight for truth, justice and the American way. You could even view the timing as significant in "Superman Returns": that the Man of Steel was gone for five years, the same period that's passed since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. (And it is a bit conspicuous that the Trade Center towers, which figured so prominently in those romantic late-night flights of the previous films, are absent now.) All those elements are in there — if you choose to see them, if you need to find them. So does the world really need Superman? Maybe not everyone. But people who love movies do. "Superman Returns," a Warner Bros. Pictures release, is rated PG-13 for some intense action violence. Running time: 157 minutes. Three and a half stars out of four. ___
Routh needs to return. by MalkovichMalkovich	Jul 10th, 2009 01:53:24 AM
Routh was perfectly cast in 'SR'. He needs to stay. god, I hope this forces WB to move on superman, i'm so fucking frustrated with how they are screwing these movies (apart from Batman) up.
IF I were Warner Bros, I'd offer Michael Bay 20% of B.O profits. by ganymede3010	Jul 10th, 2009 01:53:38 AM
Talk about a win win situation. We'd finally get an action packed Superman, and we'll get Michael Bay off the Transformers. Who's with me?
Not Marvel by The Brains	Jul 10th, 2009 02:04:04 AM
I'd prefer Superman stay at DC and WB.
Mark Millar by WavingFlagsInSpace	Jul 10th, 2009 02:44:58 AM
Use his trilogy script, stick J.J. Abrams behind the camera and have Routh as Superman (use the Benjamin Button tech to age and de-age him). Throw in Emily Blunt as Lois Lane and you have something I'd pay ten quid to watch!
BILLY ZANE AS LEX LUTHOR!!!!!! >:O by TheGhostWhoLurks	Jul 10th, 2009 03:01:46 AM
Start the new movie with a Luthor who actually LOOKS and ACTS like a THREAT, not an effeminate conman. And NO LAND SCHEMES!!!! >:O Portray Luthor as a scientific GENIUS and use him as an instrument to segue to more superpowered villians, like Darkseid, Brainiac, The Parasite, or Metallo. WE WANT TO SEE SUPERMAN HIT SOMEBODY!!!!! >:O Otherwise, don't waste our time. We've had enough of Bryan Singer's whiny, pathetic and self-pitying superhero concepts. >:P
Sheesh, guys. SPEED RACER totally fucking sucked. by Motoko Kusanagi	Jul 10th, 2009 03:10:22 AM
Stop defending this steaming pile of ape dung. Thanks.
Routh is a great Supes by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Jul 10th, 2009 03:42:18 AM
Just put him in a better flick. No fucking superkid. No longing looks as he watches Lois through her fucking window. No angst. A decent villian. More action. Quite fucking simple really.
Speed Racer was fucking unwatchable by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Jul 10th, 2009 03:44:13 AM
Like getting my eyeballs raped by a kaleidescope.
Take Martin Campbell of that Green Lantern shit... by I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for	Jul 10th, 2009 03:48:11 AM
and give him Supes. Or give it to Kathryn Bigelow. Just give it to SOMEONE that actually knows something about filmmaking.
Welling needs to be the new Superman by backagain	Jul 10th, 2009 04:27:27 AM
It's time for him to step up. Rachel McAdams as Lois Lane for the ultimate win.
Superman needs an ACTION director. by backagain	Jul 10th, 2009 04:37:01 AM
No more melodrama bullshit directors. It's called ACTION COMICS for a reason. Michael Bay would be 100 times better for this than a small time drama director like Singer.
Offer Peter Jackson 20% of the gross by backagain	Jul 10th, 2009 04:41:29 AM
He'd put the ACTION as well as the wonder back into Supes.
Give it to Duncan Jones to direct. by Dingbatty	Jul 10th, 2009 05:06:41 AM

Don't bother making another Superman by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 10th, 2009 05:51:52 AM
What's the point? Some empty CG spectacle? Donner's original is a thing of wonder and beauty, Unsworths photography, Williams music, Reeve. Perfect.
LockesBoring to star in Superman!!!! by Sal_Bando	Jul 10th, 2009 06:06:37 AM
He's the gay inbred half-brother of Ma Kent who'se secret Identity is 'SheepPumpinMan'. And he listens to Toby Keith. In a tutu.
Let's eee some of this actor in action... by Sal_Bando	Jul 10th, 2009 06:16:19 AM
"How do you prepare for you role Lockes? as SheepPumpinMan?"-breathless Mary Hart. "Oh it's real simple. I'm a Method Actor. I've gone and hired me some of the best Oxford, Dorset and Merino ewes in the businss-though I don't discriminate, I'm also partial to Suffolks... Hart-"That looks like a ram--" Locks-"Well I swing both ways. I said. I don't discriminate. I act as my own casting agent too-"
--the Mary Hart interview Continuessss....-- by Sal_Bando	Jul 10th, 2009 06:19:51 AM
"But-but, what about your role preparation?" "Oh never fear...I do Extensive training. I've got an Oxford HERE--c'mere Gal.....put the head into the holding pen gate like SOoooooooo- Some commotion. "And you gotta grab the back legs like This, and make sure the head's pointed AWAY from you and your weight is pushing forward---You become the Ram and the Ram becomes Ewe--- Oscar Nomination sure to follow.
The problems with Superman Returns ... by JackGraham	Jul 10th, 2009 06:20:19 AM
I think I speak for a lot of fans when i say that the biggest issue with S.R was that instead of creating a new approach to Superman, Warners went with Singers idea of basically sticking way too close to Donners vision and creating a film that could almost have sat alongside those earlier films as a sequel. It didnt work. It was bland, it was lacking in excitement, the casting was uninspired and i was utterly dissapointed when i saw it at the theatre in 2006. I thought its intentions were admirable (obviously singer was a huge fan of the originals) but the execution was poor. Firstly, and i think i'm in the minority here, I didnt think Brandon Routh was a good choice to play superman/clark. He definately looked the part, spookily reminicent of Christopher reeve, but you cant rely on just having an actor look the part to make the part. he has to act it aswell and here is where i found Routh lacking. As Clark Kent, I found routh to have none of the bumbling twitching bufoonery that Reeve brought to the table. wearing gucci glasses doesnt cut it and thats how Routh came across to me. as a gucci model wearing cool specs who traps himself in a revolving door again. but the mannerisms were just not there. i didnt believe this guy was Clark. I believed he was trying to act like Clark and failed. As Superman I felt he fared a little better but again he just had no charisma and the part demans it in spades. Basically i just thought Routh was too young and inexperienced for the role. he had no gravistas. and in a slightly more superficial level i didnt think he was big enough for the part. this is superman, not spiderman, amd i would be forgiving of this had routh delivered the humanity i wanted to see from superman but i didnt get this. i dont dislike routh, everytime i see him in interviews or in zak and miri i only see a really nice guy, but i just didnt think he was right in superman. Secondly and again i might be in the minority but the casting of spacey and bosworth as lex and lois was bad. it was too comedic in places, i wanted the spacey i saw in seven or swimming with sharks, but instead we got spacey the guy from austin powers goldmember. the scripts fault more than anything but i think spacey was miscast nevertheless, as was bosworth who was too young and completely unconvincing as lois, where are you margot kidder, you were awesome as lois, hell you smoked 20 a day and you looked like a woman as apposed to a girl. thirdly not enough action. i think everyone would agree S.R lacked in balls to the wall action. fourthly and lastly the music was crap. even the superman theme was cut and chopped to a half of the original themes appeal rousing appeal. if your gonna use the classic theme dont chop it up into something that runs half the length of the original theme. just go with it in all its glory. its a masterful theme so dont short change it. peace.
Brandon Routh was ONLY in the wrong Superman movie! by JDanielP	Jul 10th, 2009 07:07:23 AM
Same thing with George Clooney and BATMAN AND ROBIN. No actor is going to save a movie that has problems to begin with! --Bring back Brandon Routh as Superman, with a spirited vision from a talented director! (Here's to hoping that Nolan uses him in his follow-up to THE DARK KNIGHT.)
A Peter Jackson directed Superman picture, with Routh?! --YES!! by JDanielP	Jul 10th, 2009 07:12:38 AM
YES!!! --Absolutely, yes.
I would LOVE to see Brandon Routh in a Michael Bay SUPERMAN. by JDanielP	Jul 10th, 2009 07:18:29 AM
Having the iconic Superman in his hands, Michael Bay might even show James Cameron what can be done with an audience's eyeballs.
Flop? by Blueberry	Jul 10th, 2009 07:27:40 AM
Was Superman Returns really a flop? Last time I checked it made more money than the Wolverine movie. And Terminator: Salvation. And was better than both those movies.
DISTRICT 9 supports reasoning of Superman in Nolan's universe. by JDanielP	Jul 10th, 2009 07:44:24 AM
If you don't follow this reasoning, than consider the fantastic elements of "DISTRCT 9" with the life-like visualization. True, we've only seen the trailers so far, but those trailers should be enough to prove my point. Escalation + Brandon Routh as Clark Kent/Superman (with a more familiar Superman costume design and having no connection to SUPERMAN RETURNS) + Nolan's consistency of his life-like vision = POTENTIAL FOR GREATNESS (even above and beyond THE DARK KNIGHT).
As long as they shitcan Spacey, by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead	Jul 10th, 2009 07:45:15 AM
Wow, he was bad. So ladylike and weak. I agree with what someone up there said, not an epic fail, but a monumental fail on a shoot-for-the-moon attempt by Singer. You really have to hand it to him, Singer did try to get it right. You could really see where he wanted to go, but Spacey SUCKED COCK!!! as Lex, and Bosworth, ugh....wow, she lacked anything resembling a personality; maybe she threw it up with alongside all those yummy dinners. Routh? Bosworth had more presence and personality. Make the fucking movie, just bow it all to hell, forget SR ever happened, avoid the goddamned origin story and give us some Superman with one of the modern badass villains. It's too bad Terrence Stamp can;t be the villain in every Superman movie, just being so fucking badass, but we don;t need nancyboy Spacey trying to be Hackman either. Darkseid. Bizarro, there are so many kick-ass bad guys, hell, one of them was so bad-ass he killed Superman for Christ's sakes. So why do we get Luthor trying to get away with a real estate scam for the third time? Singer swung mightily and failed, but he did swing for the fences and we have to give him credit for that. Just a shit cast and that unlikable Superkid. Hand the reigns to someone else, let Nic Cage direct the fucking thing, that might be really interesting!
JackBauer@CTU by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 08:05:02 AM
Ed Harris = Lex Luthor. That's a brilliant fucking choice my friend.
Jim Caviezel = \S/ made by chan wook park by ironic_name	Jul 10th, 2009 08:11:12 AM

The biggest problem with SR is that it was a rehash by Coughlins Laws	Jul 10th, 2009 08:26:24 AM
of the original. instead of a school bus you had a plane and instead of real estate on the west coast you had real estate on the east coast. But, that whole plot point was ridiculous. What exactly was Lex Luthor's plan? To sell real estate on that gigantic black, ugly, crystaline iceberg? Really? Why would anyone want to live on that big piece of shit? It didn't make sense. Not to mention all the people that had to have been killed. He obviously didn't stop it from happening. It reminded me of Star Trek: Nemisis. A crazed fan wrote it and instead of coming up with something original, they pretty much stole the plot of the best movie in the series. I really don't understand how anyone could've liked Superman Returns. The plot was lifted from the first movie. Superman was turned into a stalking Peeping Tom. It was supposed to be 5 years after Superman 2, but they inexplicably cast someone even youner than the Lois Lane in the first two, someone who in no way looks like she could've had a kid 5 years old. Was she 18 when she got pregnant? And did she just all of a sudden not know how she got pregnant? Superman erased her memory. She never had sex with Clark Kent. The whole thing is a mess...
JDanielP has a Routh man-crush.... by Philvis	Jul 10th, 2009 08:34:44 AM
Routh was horrible as Superman. They made a special suit with muscles built in and he still looked weak. His acting (if you want to call it that) was wooden and he was about as convincing as Superman as some guy who dresses up like Superman for a Halloween party...
Agree with Coughlins Laws. by BurnedNotice_Dude	Jul 10th, 2009 08:41:20 AM
Could not have said it better.
None of the acting was the problem. by Freakemovie	Jul 10th, 2009 08:58:03 AM
People can complain about Spacey and Bosworth if they want, but Superman Returns failed because of its plot. (A) The backstory of the movie is that Superman knocked up his girlfriend and then skipped town. (B) Lex Luthor's scheme made no logical sense. (C) Nobody wanted to see Lois married or with a kid. (D) Superman was a moron. Was anyone not rolling their eyes during the scene in which Superman confidently walks up to Lex Luthor, oblivious to the fact that Luthor may have found a stash of kryptonite at some point in the past six years? Hey, make sure to walk up right next to him so he can stab you with it! Lazy writing and a flawed concept.
PETER JACKSON'S SUPERMAN? BRILLANTE!!! by BringingSexyBack	Jul 10th, 2009 09:02:47 AM
Just keep it under 2 hours though.
Ed Harris as Lex Luthor by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 10th, 2009 09:15:05 AM
would be amazing. But can you really see him agree to do it?
http://tinyurl.com/llghd9 by Stuntcock Mike	Jul 10th, 2009 09:17:22 AM

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If Brandon Routhe ain't Supes again .... by pumaman	Jul 10th, 2009 09:25:22 AM
Then I ain't fucking seeing it. He was excellent in the role.
kwisatzhaderach by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 09:36:47 AM
I think so. He was in The Abyss, so we know fantasy/sci-fi at least somewhat interests him. I see his Lex Luthor as being a culmination of Carl Fogarty's disturbing presence in A History of Violence and the plotting mastermind of Christof in The Truman Show. Goddamn we need to get Ed Harris on this shit!
Ed Harris as Lex Luthor... by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 09:40:41 AM
would put Spacey and Hackman's portrayal to fucking shame. Believe that shit!
Superman versus Anton Chigurrh by BurnHollywood	Jul 10th, 2009 09:44:34 AM
There. The screenplay writes itself.
Ed Harris is also naturally bald(ing) by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 09:44:52 AM
and has a sexy braincase. Ok I'm done.
Danny Trejo as Zod... by BurnHollywood	Jul 10th, 2009 09:46:06 AM
...With Aria Giovanni as Zod's bitch.
It's Superman by sruli	Jul 10th, 2009 09:56:05 AM
Awesome book, suggested by Moriarty. Golden Era Superman - so tightly told. Frank Darabont would do it perfectly.
RUDY REYES from Generation Kill by superman76	Jul 10th, 2009 10:00:11 AM
My god, this man is the perfect fella to play superman.
Not Zooey but Emily Deschanel by wookie1972	Jul 10th, 2009 10:04:02 AM
She can project intelligence and attitude and she's incredibly easy on the eyes. But I agree with everybody who says they should get a different villain than Luthor. Part of the problem is that movie execs think that Luthor is the only villain the general public will know. Batman Begins shows that you can have a secondary villain as long as they're done well.
Bruce Campbell as Bizarro. by wookie1972	Jul 10th, 2009 10:04:37 AM
I'm surprised nobody's said it already.
MIKE MEYERS by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 10th, 2009 10:13:56 AM
as superman! and dana carver as lex. let the hilarity consume you!
People say SR lacked action by DennisMM	Jul 10th, 2009 10:16:38 AM
but it had as many action scenes as the first Reeve film. We've just become used to wall-to-wall mayhem.
Speed Racer OWNS your asses! by Johnno	Jul 10th, 2009 10:31:28 AM
Characters and family moments, consistency, coherent plot, brilliant visuals, awesome action, respect for and elevation of the source material, something entirely new and refreshing for cinema! It's only downsides were shitty moments of humor with the kid and monkey and dragging a bit in the middle. Other than that I find it hilarious to see the same fucks sucking Michael Bay's cock over Transformers 2 would dare to call Speed Racer a shitty movie!
As for my piping opinion on Superman returns by Johnno	Jul 10th, 2009 10:40:45 AM
Not a badly made movie per se, but simply highly disappointing! You see that fight in Matrix Revolutions? I expect something like that and better in a Superman movie! The comics and animated series show crazy action and villians all the time, why can't the movie actually do that? Budget? Unrealism? Fucking LOL! Plus all that other unnecessary shit like a bastard kid. Why? It would be a clusterfuck to carry on from here, reboot the damn thing, forget trying to bring Reeve back to life, just get an actual super looking superman! Find someone who looks like an Alex Ross painting and start over. We don't need to see the origin again. Just start with Superman already doing super shit and halfway through the movie let him simply just talk and explain his origin to someone to cover that base. Let there be more fantastical villains! Crazy technology in existence being used by criminals, aliens, what the fuck ever! Make it CG animated if you have to, but if that's not in the next live action then fuck it altogether! The Wachowski Brothers get superheroes, have respect for the source material, take risks and know action spectacle! They've had one major flop with Speed Racer which was undeserved otherwise they've made WB bucketloads of money. Get them on board, get an outline from them, get someone else to finish the script based on said outline if you want and then fucking let them go at it!
Nicholas Meyer ought to direct Supes... by Snake Foreskin	Jul 10th, 2009 10:43:13 AM
With William Shatner as Lex Luthor. Hell, make Leonard Nimoy Superman!
Whoever directs, I sure hope they cast Nicolas Cage... by Snake Foreskin	Jul 10th, 2009 10:44:06 AM
as Lex Luthor. Just to drive him firmly over the brink.
lockesbrokenleg doesn't know who Zooey Deschanel is??? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 10:57:17 AM
WOW.
RE: Ed Harris as Lex Luthor by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 10:59:21 AM
Interesting idea. He'd definitely bring an intensity to Lex that we've never seen. I'd love to see him play the role like he did as Moss in GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS... "Superman! You've got the memory of a fuckin' fly!!!"
Routh by enderandrew	Jul 10th, 2009 11:03:31 AM
He nailed all the iconic Superman imagery and poses. He carried the appropriate gravitas in the final scene with his kid. He did everything that was asked of him. Singer realized that he lacked action and promised to bring an action-packed Superman 2 in the vein of X-Men 2. And honestly, I want to see that.
Put me in the "I loved SPEED RACER" camp as well by YackBacker	Jul 10th, 2009 11:08:51 AM
That movie was given such a bum-rap. It's legitimately good! WTF world???
Jebus chrissy, I missed a pansy fight! by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 11:08:58 AM
Damn! I love those! Somebody, I think it's lockes, keeps mentioning the bullet-against-the-eyeball thing as some kind of acme for adventure cinema. That was the most retarded special effect, I've seen, and it has lots and lots of competition. Seriously, it's fricking Superman. Everyone can tell you he's faster than a speeding bullet. If Singer had had Skinnyman zip out of the way or melt it with heat vision mid-air, he'd have captured the iconic essense of the hero that has been ingrained in everyone's mind. But no. He wastes the chance on a cgi money shot that earned groans from much of the audience. Dumbass. And, lockes, by picking that particular image, you have a branded yourself, forever.
And Billy Zane as Lex Luthor, as mentioned above by YackBacker	Jul 10th, 2009 11:10:54 AM
Hellz yes. Ed Harris, no- he comes off as dumb when he speaks. "Duhhhhh" = bad Lex.
The only reason everyone likes Routh by Stabby	Jul 10th, 2009 11:14:57 AM
is because he reminds everyone of Reeves. Ni Cage would have been a much better Superman! Can you imagine the hairpiece that would have required?!
Mister Mxyzptlk should be the next villain by Stabby	Jul 10th, 2009 11:20:32 AM

Stabby, you're exactly right by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 11:29:06 AM
Nostalgia for a dead actor has replaced their common sense.
Routh looks like Superman by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 11:43:44 AM
Reeve mannerisms aside, he just does. I've been looking at various manips of other actors in the role and I always come back to Routh.
I agree. --Ed Harris for Lex Luthor. by JDanielP	Jul 10th, 2009 11:45:54 AM
Excellent.
YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE EMMA WATSON IN A LEATHER TOP? by BringingSexyBack	Jul 10th, 2009 11:52:26 AM
Then don't go to this link! http://tinyurl.com/mmkumt
BASE IT ON THE OLD MAX FLEISHMAN CARTOONS by uberman	Jul 10th, 2009 12:06:44 PM
Set in the 1930's and restrict his super powers to what he originaly had, not the God powers of later incarnations.
Billy Zane is a terrible actor! My God! by Snake Foreskin	Jul 10th, 2009 12:09:39 PM
And I agree, base it on the Fleishman cartoons. I was just watching those the other day. Great art direction and character design. Hell, just fantastic animation. And now I have the theme music in my head. Thanks for that!
I don't think Emma Watson is attractive in the least! by Snake Foreskin	Jul 10th, 2009 12:11:26 PM
Dakota Fanning, in the other hand...
Routh looks nothing like Superman. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 12:13:34 PM
Have you ever even looked at a comic book? Pick any version you want. Any image, from any comic or cartoon or underoo image anywhere, ever. Routh doesn't even look much like Chris Reeve, unless you squint, though he sounds EXACTLY like the dead actor. Just quit saying that shit.
I wonder if Dakota sucks cock yet. by Snake Foreskin	Jul 10th, 2009 12:17:55 PM
I sure hope she learns real quick.
Subtitles_Off by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 12:28:04 PM
I'm a huge comic book fan and I've seen many incarnations of Superman and it's true, Routh doesn't look all that much like them, but when I see Routh regardless if he's wearing the costume or not, I see Superman. That's just how I feel. So sue me.
There's also many people... by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 12:35:52 PM
who disagree with you Subtitles_Off, so stop playing holier than thou. I'll say it again just out of spite, Brandon Routh looks like Superman. Fin.
Why can't they make a Superman movie without by Coughlins Laws	Jul 10th, 2009 12:35:55 PM
using Lex Luthor? I liked Gene Hackman and Kevin Spacey alot, but aren't there other worthy villain in the comic books? I'm pretty sure that Richard Pryor and that Super-Computer were never in the comic books. Why not use Brainiac from that Kevin Smith script? I think the beiggest
THE TITLE of this post should be by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 10th, 2009 12:36:44 PM
"HOW TO KICK BRYAN SINGER DOWN A FLIGHT OF STAIRS"
The ROUTH/SINGER sex affair... by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 10th, 2009 12:37:45 PM
was the worst kept secret in Hollywood.
I hated Routh and Spacey. Story was boring by Animation	Jul 10th, 2009 12:39:35 PM
Superman was creepy and elfin. Spacey always just looks like himself in a role, I can't get past him. "Why is Kevin Spacey trying to kill Superman? And why is Kevin bald?" Ugh. Reboot? Or better, just get different guys, but don't reboot.
WAIT, WHAT? by idrinkyourmilkshake	Jul 10th, 2009 12:39:38 PM
ZombieHeathLedger-are you serious?
Spacey was terrible as Lex Luthor. by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 12:43:34 PM
Way too over the top.
can't stay awake by crazybubba	Jul 10th, 2009 12:49:30 PM
i've tried several times to watch Singer's Superman and its just too boring. Singer has gone downhill since Usual Suspects. That Nazi movie was mediocre. Kevin Spacey's worst performance ever, he's got nothing on Gene Hackman.
Hackman didn't even bother to go bald by crazybubba	Jul 10th, 2009 12:50:42 PM
and he still owns Lex Luther.
There are also many people who enjoy NASCAR by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 01:05:35 PM
Doesn't mean you can't reach beyond. Expect a letter from my lawyer next week.
Luthor has to be in the next movie by Continentalop	Jul 10th, 2009 01:06:26 PM
For two reasons: 1) to wipe the bad taste of Spacey's version out of my mouth; and 2) even if you use another villain, Luthor always seems connected to just about every member of Superman's Rogue gallery (The Brainiac-Luthot Team, he created Bizarro, in some comics and the cartoon he created Metallo, member of the Terrible Trio, etc.).
snake foreskin by rogueleader66	Jul 10th, 2009 01:15:19 PM
I hope you are not talking about Dakota Fanning.If you are then you are one sick twisted fuck. If you aren't then fine. I hope you aren't.
milkshake by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 10th, 2009 01:16:27 PM
yup.
Lex Luthor will be in every SUPERMAN movie except III by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 01:23:33 PM
Just like Lois Lane. Now, tell me again why III isn't the best of the whole bunch.
Ed Harris as Luthor? by rogueleader66	Jul 10th, 2009 01:28:56 PM
"Anybody who talks to this asshole is a fuckin asshole" Gotta love Glengarry Glenross. Love how Harris flips out on Pacino, what a great flick. I can't really see Ed as Luthor though, then again I couldn't see Keaton as Batman and next to Bale he was the best Batman, so I could be wrong. It's happened before LOL.
Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 01:31:55 PM
No, I don't pay to see shit movies. I wait until they come on TV for free. At least at the end of SR, they had Lex escape to a desert island somewhere without having him go back to jail. Plus, the girl still has the crystals.
Anybody who likes Transformers 2..... by Trannyformers_Apologist	Jul 10th, 2009 01:43:54 PM
...should not be taken seriously.
Anyone who likes Bruno by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 01:45:50 PM
God, well, I feel sorry for them.
Anybody who likes Transformers 2... by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 01:47:00 PM
...should not be taken seriously. Truth.
Anyone who likes Transformers 2... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 01:49:44 PM
...should still know who Zooey Deschanel is.
Superman's NEXT villain...should be Nolan's Batman! by JDanielP	Jul 10th, 2009 01:53:12 PM
"THE DARK KNIGHT and the MAN OF STEEL"
rogueleader by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 01:58:47 PM
"you got the memory of a fuckin fly!" im going home! amazing
II dpn't think even Zooey Deschanel knows who she is by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 02:07:57 PM

Anyone still on this TB? by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:09:00 PM
I didn't know there was a superman tb or i would have been here WHORES ago...
If they want it low budget, they should make it about Luthor. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:09:39 PM
I mean, duuuuhhh.....
Batman v Superman would rock, but not yet. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:10:49 PM
Putting Batman in a Supes movie, is the same as putting robin in a bats movie. You must wait til the main character has some glory.
yet again, how is ROUTH gay? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 02:12:07 PM
and what about this Singer affair with him? ive only heard this from fanboys sitting in basements, so how can it be possibly true?
Is Alex Proyas too busy to direct Supes? by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:12:11 PM
I'd rather see him do X-Men, but a Proyas directed Supes reboot would make me squeal
Superman and Batrman by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 02:13:36 PM
It could work. Say that Wayne Enterprises has found the cure for Kryptonite. Wayne tries to locate Superman. Have a villain- Riddler or Lex snatch up the formula and use it for evil to create a race of new Kryptonians. Superman and Batman team up to find a way to solve the problem.
Signer had a crush on Routh for sure. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:13:45 PM
Poor Routh. I wish he'd been given a better shot. Now that his contract is up maybe he can audition for Capt. America?
whats wrong with being over the top? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 02:13:53 PM
lex is maniacal and hammy and over the top...that was comic book villians are...some would say that the joker was over the top in TDK
Zooey was in Bridge to Terabithia by MattmanReturns	Jul 10th, 2009 02:14:04 PM
Awesome movie. And don't talk shit unless you've actually seen this movie all the way through, otherwise you don't know wtf you're talking about.
I maintain we need a solid supes movie before meeting bats by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:15:36 PM
It would be awesome to see both of them on screen at the same time though!
Joker was not hammy in TDK. I hate a hammy Luthor by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:16:48 PM
Superman's greatest enemy should not be 'hammy'
ugh, 'hammy' is a nasty word when used 3 times in a post. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:17:51 PM

yum by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 02:19:42 PM
I just ate a hammy sandwich.
I don't like hammy Luthor either (the movie Luthor) by MattmanReturns	Jul 10th, 2009 02:21:44 PM
I prefer the calculating business man who becomes president eventually. Smallville actually nailed the character... until the actor quit.
"how is Routh gay?" by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 02:22:31 PM
Well, I think it starts with somebody telling him he's pretty. Then, I guess, he gets all bashful and blushes. Then the disco music starts to pounding, they both get a little sweaty and one notices the other one's pants are a little tight. After that, it's all a blur.
rogueleader66 & Six Demon Bag by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 02:23:00 PM
"Fuck you! Fuck the lot of you! Fuck you all!!!"
Stay classy Mr. Nice Gaius by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 02:24:26 PM

dammit guys. I just want another Superman movie by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:25:31 PM
Batman Begins and TDK were so good (esp when compared to their previous attempts). I know Superman is a tougher character because he's an all powerful alien, but still!!!! Day the Earth Stood Still is a Sci-Fi classic! Same with ET! Same with Alf!
Hey lockesbrokenpussy...get a clue. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 02:26:00 PM
It's a line from GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS. It's a movie (and play) that's probably way over your head.
Spacey was... by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 02:26:21 PM
hamming and mugging the fuck out of the camera. It was almost cringe inducing.
Just get the cast of the new day the earth stood still and I'll by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jul 10th, 2009 02:26:30 PM
Connely is Lane, Reeves is Supes, and Hamm is Luthor. He'd make a Hammy Luthor.
lockes is starting to bait Gaius by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 02:34:29 PM
Let's see if Gaius goes for it. What this thread needs. More than anything. Is. A. Rematch.
http://tinyurl.com/mzuc5q supes and bats arrested by ironic_name	Jul 10th, 2009 02:34:35 PM
"The Man of Steel didn't go down with just two officers, it took seven officers!" witness Ryan McCormick said. "He was putting up a good fight. Little kids were like, 'Mommy, it's Superman!' "
Sorry. My last post had no ham. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 02:35:38 PM
Hammy. Hammy. Hammy. Hamfuckingham, hammy ham.
Subtitles_Off by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 02:37:09 PM
Nah, he's too easy. Besides, it's almost fun enough to just watch him pwn himself.
OMG! ACCORDING TO TMZ ARTIE LANGE GOT ARRESTED! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 02:37:49 PM
HOLY SHIT!
I thought Artie Lange was dead. by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jul 10th, 2009 02:44:00 PM
Nevermind he is.
His career is by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 02:45:14 PM
You know when you open up for Gary the Retard, you're just wasting time.
Can name every lackey of Howard Stern's by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 02:50:16 PM
but doesn't know Zooey Deschanel. Maybe Mr. Nice Gaius is right about you, kid.
There is nothing worth a "HOLY SHIT!" about Artie Lange... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 02:52:34 PM
...getting arrested. Nothing.
Zooey Deschanel. some wanker who starred in some cult by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 02:53:52 PM
movie right? Shit, I had no idea who Bruce Campbell was before Spidey, either. I knew he was in some douchey movie with zombies.
Um, no. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 02:57:08 PM
Wankers are, by definition, men. IMDb the name and learn something.
With a name like Zooey by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 02:57:53 PM
she sounds like a hippie freak that gives good blow jobs.
But by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:00:44 PM
you'd rather go slo-mo hand to hand with Artie Lange? See! I knew I could do it. (much love to Blue_Demon)
Subtitles_Off by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 03:04:21 PM
With the fucked up views you have, you've probably already done it.
Oh dear. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:06:20 PM
Quote: "she sounds like a hippie freak that gives good blow jobs." I'm willing to bet cash money that is something you've never experience, lockes. Quote: "Shit, I had no idea who Bruce Campbell was before Spidey, either." And you call yourself a movie fan?! I think this just further proves that you are probably all of 19 years old...and live in a cellar. A dark one.
SDB and Mr Nice Gaius by rogueleader66	Jul 10th, 2009 03:08:10 PM
"You stupid fucking cunt... you Williamson i'm talking to you shit head you just cost me 6000 dollars....that's right 6000 dollars and one Cadillac what you gonna do about it? What are you going to do about it....asshole" Damn I love that movie it is one of THE most quotable movies EVER. You know a lot of people tell me how i'm not a movie buff because I have not seen this movie or that movie, well fuck that if you have not seen Glengarry Glenross one of the most quotable movies ever, you are not a movie buff, PERIOD. LOL just kidding but seriously how can you be a movie buff and not love that film? Classic just classic.
Evil Dead by rogueleader66	Jul 10th, 2009 03:10:19 PM
A stupid douchey movie? Ok, I have heard it described in many ways but not like that. Mabe because it is a totally wrong description of the movie. Oh well, to each his own...i guess.
Johnny, what d'ya make outta this? by finky089	Jul 10th, 2009 03:12:08 PM
Oh, this? I can make a hat. Or a brooch. A pteradactyl - oH! Even though that YT clip with Bridges is gone, I'm obviously in the mood to watch Airplane all fo a sudden.
If Warner Has Any Brains At All... by buster00	Jul 10th, 2009 03:12:31 PM
they'll realize that it's cheaper to simply pay off the Siegels. Look - either spend a few million bucks to keep them quiet, or spend upwards of 300 million making another shitty Superman film. It seems obvious to me.
More proof that RETURNS sucked: by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:13:44 PM
It's a LOT more fun hurling insults at lockes and watching him swing limply than discuss that crappy, dull, colorless film in a Superman thread.
rogueleader66 by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:14:14 PM
Nice! It is, without a doubt, one of the most quotable movies of all time. A bonafide acting classic - each actor and roll has a chance to shine. Some of the monologues have such an awesome rhythm to them that they somehow become funny despite their cruelty. Ricky Roma = Hero
Didn't know who Bruce Campbell was? by finky089	Jul 10th, 2009 03:15:02 PM
Can he even be 19? I'm not saying he even has to like him as an acotr or any of his movies, but how can someone be that ignorant of a popular film star and call themselves a fan of film? Only if the "films" he is a fan of star Care Bears or sub-par tweener anime.
buster, that's exactly the whole point of the ongoing litigation by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:15:04 PM
to determine how much they have to pay to make the we-created-nothing heirs to go away.
Oh dear by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 03:15:36 PM
I got the 2 Bruce Campbell fans on this site mad. Damn.
Superman Returns had a LOT of colors in it. by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 03:15:40 PM
But it was still a crappy, crappy, movie.
"I had no idea who Bruce Campbell was before Spidey," by finky089	Jul 10th, 2009 03:17:19 PM
Just leave. Now.
There are two films, in the history of film, where the dialogue by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:18:00 PM
and the rhythm of the speech is the magic of the film entire. You guys have already named the one (GLENGARY GLEN ROSS). Can you name the other?
Casablanca? by finky089	Jul 10th, 2009 03:19:07 PM

Uh oh...lockes is failing again... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:19:31 PM
"I got the 2 Bruce Campbell fans on the site mad." HA! Man, he really doesn't have a clue.
Crimewave? by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 03:20:27 PM
"Well maybe I'm a Heel, who hates guys who hate Heels."
Hudsucker Proxy? by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 03:21:03 PM
'You know, for kids!'
A lot of colors? by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:21:21 PM
Cerulean, green, white, black and brown. Mostly brown. What colors did I miss?
Actually, I do have a clue by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 03:21:46 PM
when this site gives rave reviews to shit like Borat, I have a perfect idea of what people on this site find entertaining.
Subtitles_Off by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:22:03 PM
Right off the top of my head, I'll have to offer up BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA. But something tells me that's not the one you're looking for.
Got it Subby by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 03:22:24 PM
Miller's Crossing! "Hey, horses got knees?" "Fetlocks." "Well, if I was a horse I'd be down on my fetlocks praying you didn't bet on me."
Entire magic, meaning the whole point by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:22:25 PM
Think harder.
Fargo? by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 03:22:57 PM

"Actually, I do have a clue". by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:23:57 PM
No...no, you don't.
I'm not going for quotable. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:24:17 PM
I'm going for language. The rhythm of the words. Powerful enough to make all other considerations - cast, director, scenery, score - secondary.
Good guesses all, but by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:25:15 PM
A LION IN WINTER
A LION IN WINTER by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 03:26:09 PM
no.
You don't even have a map that could guide you to a clue, lockes by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:26:16 PM

Oh, hell yeah. O'Toole is riveting in that one. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:27:16 PM

Now lockes by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:28:03 PM
type something stupid about a film that you have never seen.
Well, I am out of this troll wank fest by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 03:30:33 PM
See you in a real thread.
Swinging limply. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:32:06 PM

Superman Returns Sucked COCK!!! by thedoctor28	Jul 10th, 2009 03:32:26 PM
Did SM and Lex even talk to each other for more that 4 minutes in this movie? Brandon SUCKED! He didnt even do the bumbling fool routine well as CK. How hard is that to do as an actor??!! The only good part of the movie was the plane scene, other than that the movie was pure SHIT!! And so was the story!!!
increase the piece by ironic_name	Jul 10th, 2009 03:32:35 PM
flame wars are pointless, guys - calm down and stop raising eachother's blood press'. its a fucken' TB about a superman court case.
Boy watches more balls go past than Barry Bonds by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:32:51 PM

finky089 by thedoctor28	Jul 10th, 2009 03:34:03 PM
Bruce would kick Supermans ASS!!!
peace. its 6:32 am here, and I haven't slept. by ironic_name	Jul 10th, 2009 03:36:16 PM
so fuck off. anyways who needs to fight on aicn?
"See you in a real thread." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:37:03 PM
I'm sure we'll find you posting pointless dreck there as well.
Mr. Nice Gaius by rogueleader66	Jul 10th, 2009 03:38:03 PM
How do you beat the cast in that movie? Answer: YOU CANT lol. Pacino, Harris, Lemmon, Baldwin, Arkin, Spacey, even Pryce. I don't know anyone who has seen that movie and didn't like it. Like I said you cannot call yourself a movie buff and not love that movie. "Fuck you, Dave. You know you got a big mouth. You make a close, this whole place stinks with your farts for a week - how much you just ingested. Oh, what a big man you are! "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it." Whoof! You're pal closes, and all that comes out of your mouth is bile. Ooh, how fucked-up you are!" "WHAT YOU'RE HIRED FOR, is to help us... does that seem clear to you? TO HELP US, not to... FUCK-US-UP... to help those who are going out there to try to earn a living... You fairy. You company man." God I could go on all night, but I gotta take my boys to baseball, will be back later to see how this thread progresses...oops I mean regresses LOL.
ironic_name by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:38:42 PM
Heh. Are you being...ironic?
Superman Returns Sucked COCK!!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 03:40:08 PM
Wow, what a fantastic and witty review. Thanks AICN readers!
'Who needs to fight on AICN?" by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 03:41:26 PM
Lots of people, it seems. You know, as much as I now hate DC comics (for reasons that are obvious if you get my handle), I pity them. They're owned by a fucking movie studio that has no idea how to translate their characters into successful films (Batman aside, of course). Sure, they've lucked out a few times, but for the most part they seem fucking clueless. WHA DONCHU FUCKING UNNERSTAND?
It by TBoneME	Jul 10th, 2009 03:42:29 PM

It's Superman by TBoneME	Jul 10th, 2009 03:44:08 PM
They should start from scratch with that book as the guide. Just work in a little more action. It takes place in the 30s, takes itself completely seriously. I'd love to see a version of Superman like that. Smaller budget, more serious, but a hell of a way to reboot the story.
I thought he said he was leaving. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:46:06 PM
Make it count.
rogueleader66 by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 03:49:01 PM
Man, just reading those quotes cracks me up. Especially the first one by Pacino - I can hear the rhythm and cadence in my head. It's the primary reason why it's so quotable; each actor's delivery is spot-on and you really get a feel for how well they can play with the words to create a desired effect. Mamet's writing is unique to begin with but watching it being handled that well is a real treat. ""Patel"? Fuck you. Fucking Shiva handed this guy a million dollars, told him "Sign the deal!" he wouldn't sign. And the god Vishnu too, into the bargain. Fuck you, John! You know your business, I know mine. Your business is being an asshole. I find out whose fucking cousin you are, I'm going to go to him and figure out a way to have your ass. Fuck you!"
Ted by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 03:49:56 PM
You can't blame Warner Brothers. Jebus. DC Comics doesn't know what it's doing. You realize they publish a monthly comic titled SUPERMAN which doesn't even have the title character in it? Comic books. Are. Stupid.
Ouch. by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 03:54:52 PM
I generally don't like blanket statements like that, Subby. Comics are being published right now that are ten times better than the average Hollywood POS. There's an amazing variety of genres being published and all of them have varying degrees of quality. DC sucks tho. Can you tell me what happened to Batman? Can anyone? Can Grant FUCKING Morrison tell me? No, because they don't have a fucking clue. They only know that Bruce Wayne'll be back in two years and they have that much time to figure out how they're gonna do it. Idiots. That said, 'Secret Six' is one of the best books out there right now. Go pick up a trade. I promise you'll be impressed.
Subtitles_Off by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 03:59:50 PM
is the worst kind of fan. He constantly spews off inane comments and listens to no one else. He is a douche.
"He constantly spews off inane comments..." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 04:05:24 PM
Sounds like you, lockes. (Hello, Artie Lange!!!) And speaking of douches, have you looked in a mirror lately? I think you'll find the reflection to be quite douchey.
Six Demon Bag re: Singer/Routh by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 10th, 2009 04:08:51 PM
Some of we AICN posters have worked in Hollywood for quite a few years and are well connected and shit gets around.
ZombieHeath by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 04:15:08 PM
And that is one of the myriad reasons I enjoy visiting this site. Tho it is sometimes difficult to discern the real nuggets of truth from the fanboy troll bullshit.
Mr. Nice GaiusYou by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 04:15:18 PM

Gauis is a follower of a follower by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 04:16:08 PM
a troll. His opinions are invalid, because he simply never has any.
raavidam patel???? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 04:27:40 PM
you see this watch? this watch costs more than your car. fuck you! thats my name! i could care less about wall street and all the hype of that film..BALDWIN kills douglas, i dont give a shit what you say! Baldwin is a fucking animal in that film.
WE ARE DONE, PROFESSIONALLY! by ironic_name	Jul 10th, 2009 04:30:03 PM

BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA quote to kill all by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 04:30:35 PM
WHAT???!!! What wont come out anymore??!! younever could beat me, egg shen.
2nd film to have perfect dialogue and rhythmn..T4!!! by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 04:33:34 PM
and my brother? no. common cries this is the reason for 10 best picture noms now.
'Hollow?' by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 04:37:42 PM
'Hollow.' 'Fuck it.'
lockesbrokenleg by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 04:39:48 PM
Whatever. You are so out of your league here that it's ridiculous.
I BET THE MOVIE IS DAWN OF THE DEAD! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 04:51:01 PM
LOOK OUT ZOMBIES!!!!
^ BEHOLD! ^ by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 05:00:07 PM
Yet another useless, inane post by lockes!
^ BEHOLD! ^ by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 05:02:23 PM
Another creepy stalker comment by Gauis.
jack burton says: by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 05:03:27 PM
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
my moment of GLORY!!!! by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 05:06:07 PM
Can see things no one else can see. Do things no one else can do. Real things? As real as Lo Pan! Hey, what more can a guy ask for? Oh, the six-demon bag! Terrific, a six-demon bag. Sensational. What's in it, Egg? Wind, fire, all that kind of thing!
lockesbrokenleg - Dude, seriously... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 05:08:12 PM
...take a look at your DAWN OF THE DEAD post and try explaining to us what the hell that pertains to. I eagerly await your explanation as I'm sure it will be an enlightening one...
Here's to the army and navy and the battles they have won. by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 05:10:29 PM
Here's to America's colors the colors that never run. May the wings of liberty never lose a feather. Man, I got goose bumps just typing that.
"This is going to take crackerjack timing, Wang." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 10th, 2009 05:14:28 PM
"Ready, Jack?" "I was born ready."
'Total Concentration!' by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 05:19:26 PM
I love that they re-used the line from 'Kentucky Fried Movie' in Big Trouble. Intentional or not I do not know, but it is awesome.
"Black Blood of the Earth!" by Continentalop	Jul 10th, 2009 05:37:16 PM
"Do you mean oil?" "No, I mean BLACK BLOOD OF THE EARTH!"
Imagine Michael Bay + General Zod!! by ganymede3010	Jul 10th, 2009 05:41:11 PM
That will be total fucking carnage.
Ya know what? by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 05:42:43 PM
As much as I hate Michael Bay, I'd love to see his version of a Superman film. Bay's Supes vs. Metallo in the heart of Metropolis? I think I'd actually pay to see that...
"I'd come with you but...." by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 05:43:26 PM
"I know, there's a problem with your face."
Jon Hamm was born to play a superhero, but... by wookie1972	Jul 10th, 2009 06:09:13 PM
He's 38, roughly the same age as George Reeves when he played Supes in the TV show. He's perfect now, but if they want to start a franchise, my guess is that they would go with someone younger.
Jon Hamm was born to play a superhero, but... by wookie1972	Jul 10th, 2009 06:09:14 PM
He's 38, roughly the same age as George Reeves when he played Supes in the TV show. He's perfect now, but if they want to start a franchise, my guess is that they would go with someone younger.
Superfolks by wookie1972	Jul 10th, 2009 06:11:41 PM
Anybody else read it? It's quite dated, and it's a copyright nightmare (it names characters owned by various companies), but it would make a hell of a Charlie Kaufman movie.
Why keep beating a super dead horse? by AlwaysThere	Jul 10th, 2009 06:20:20 PM
Let the franchise just go away.
Ted by Subtitles_Off	Jul 10th, 2009 06:28:01 PM
There's no way Bruce Wayne stays away for two years. Twelve issues, tops. Sincerely, The Worst Kind of Fan P.S. I would've responded earlier, but I've been checking myself in the mirror, getting my douchebaggery perfect.
Subtitles_Off by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 06:35:16 PM
You may be right. DC has nowhere near the restraint that Marvel has. Ps. You're cool by me dude. I don't believe I hurled any epithets your way. If I did, I humbly apologize.
Subtitles is an asshole by Continentalop	Jul 10th, 2009 06:47:33 PM
Not really, But I think he wanted me to call him that in the comic book TB so I thought I would oblige here.
If Bay was going to do a superhero movie by Continentalop	Jul 10th, 2009 06:49:20 PM
It should be the Hulk. Not the origin, but just a Hulk movie were you get 2 hours of the Hulk fighting almost everyone of his toughest foes in the middle of New York. Call it Rampaging Hulk.
Wow, still going at it, eh? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 06:52:50 PM

Conti by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 07:00:31 PM
Yeah, but he's my kind of asshole. Oh God, Bay meets Hulk? Fuck, that would be badass. But who plays Bi-Beast?
Re: toadkillerdog by careyleefisher	Jul 10th, 2009 07:08:07 PM
I can understand your argument but I still think that Superman would never have gained such a monumental status without all of the financial backing of DC Comics. I can agree with you that it may have been a bad contract but it was still a legal contract. Is it fair? No, of course it is not fair that Seigel and Shuster got a pittance for their creation but is it also fair for them to try and break a contract and reap the benefits without contributing one dime in the fortune that DC comics spent in marketing Superman. Ink, paper, distribution, marketing and product creation are neither free nor cheap. It took spending a fortune to make a fortune from Superman and Seigel and Shuster did not contribute one dime in that effort. I feel bad for the guys but trying to reclaim your property after someone else improved it doesn't sound very fair either.
Returns should've been a reboot plain and simple by pacrone	Jul 10th, 2009 07:08:44 PM
I liked Superman Returns for the most part. The problem was that it was sequel to 26 years old movie. And unless you saw the Donner cut it wasn't a great sequel to begin with. Look, I know how good Donner's original movie was and maybe it seemed like a good Idea to pay homage to it, but it should've been a reboot. Sure everyone knows the origin of Superman, but I would've be thrilled to see it through new eyes. Plus by making Returns a sequel it left the cast the challenge of picking up the parts that other actors left. I liked Routh and Spacey, but Bosworth really had none of the spunk Kitter brought to Lois Lane. Plus the whole Krytonian crystals/Lextopia plotline was an utter mess.
P.S. Box Office Numbers by pacrone	Jul 10th, 2009 07:21:07 PM
One other thing. As much as Superman Returns was seen as a disappointment it did well enough($391,081,192 world wide) to best the triumphant Batman Begins ($372,710,015 world wide) I wouldn't be a huge gamble to get another flick off the ground if they get a good script to shoot and from what I've been reading since the mid 90's there are plenty of scripts out there. If they did they could make at least two thirds what The Dark Knight did.
SR was also the highest grossing regular movie by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 07:25:55 PM
for IMAX screens. It beat out Batman Begins.
why are people still calling for REBOOTS???? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 07:45:34 PM
the first film was more than fine. why do you need a replica of Donner Superman? or a pale imitation of one? Superman Returns was awesome in that it wasnt a reboot...if you want an origin story, go to your dvd shelf and watch the first film. if not on your dvd shelf, then fuck off, cause you weren't a fan in the first place.
nother big trouble for ya! by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 07:49:41 PM
Anybody that showed up was gonna join Lem Lee in the Hell of Being Cut to Pieces. Hell of being what? Chinese have a lot of Hells
What the hell by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 07:55:31 PM
is Gracie Law doing here? Just happened to be in the neighborhood on a dark and stormy night? This IS my neighborhood.
Box office formula by Continentalop	Jul 10th, 2009 07:55:53 PM
Remember, you have to halve the box office (50% goes to the theatres). So Superman returns actually made about $195,000 for the studios. Then you have to subtract advertising (which is probably another 50+ million) and the films budget (which was reported to be at $204-209 million). So without counting TV, Video, or toys and other tie-ins, the film came in at about negative $60 million after the theatrical run. Batman Begins might have made less in Box Office, but it sold a lot better on DVD ($125,000,000 in DVD sales) and it cost less in Budget (about $55 million less). It was easily a more profitable movie.
Ted, re=Bi-Beast by Continentalop	Jul 10th, 2009 07:59:33 PM
CGI but get Cheech Marin and Tommy Chong to do the voices.
Can Hollywood take it easy with origin films for awhile? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 10th, 2009 08:01:37 PM
For a few years, at least?
Oh shit... by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 08:05:43 PM
That's awesome. Or maybe John Cho and Kal Penn? With Robin Williams as the Wendigooooooooooooo!
Start all over again by jxfortune	Jul 10th, 2009 08:07:47 PM
They need to do a Batman begins and just go back to square one, not necessarily an origin story, cos everyone knows the superman story, they should make a film that assumes you know the story, but still ignores the other films. The Donner film was great and all, but it was a very compromised version of superman, Singer's odd devotion to it should never have been let happen, someone somewhere should have stepped up and said, no, superman can't fly to krypton for 5 years, he cant have a kid with lois, you cant make a strange kryptonite island, for reasons that don't quite make sense, you can't give Lex the most useless, characterless goons,none of that makes sense, go do something else, something better.
Routh by Maniaq	Jul 10th, 2009 08:17:10 PM
I only had one problem with Brandon. He absolutely NAILED Clarke Kent - no question - and as some people said at the time, it was like he was channeling Reeve or something... BUT the one thing that he seemed to FAIL to understand - which Christopher obviously "got" - was that he should drop the whiny nasally voice when he wasn't "in character" as Clarke! Reeve's voice was always noticeably deeper and more authoritative when he was in the costume, whereas Routh's voice stayed thin and nasal the whole time... oh and yes absolutely Kate Bosworth sucked - no question
Wendigo would be awesome by Continentalop	Jul 10th, 2009 08:20:36 PM
But what the Hell is he doing in NY? Of course, things like that never get in the way of Bale. I want the Sean Penn as Zzzax and Crispin Glover as Half-Life.
Glover as Half-Life! by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 08:40:07 PM
Great call, Conti. Man, Hulk doesn't have a very big rogues gallery, does he? He's borrowed a lot of enemies, eh? I wouldn't mind seeing Hulk vs. Vinnie Jones' Juggernaut; it'd be over in about 10 seconds, but I'd like to see it. Ah! Gerard Butler as the Constrictor!
why do people insist on rewriting movies??? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 09:06:23 PM
ignorign the other films? what the fuck for? is nothing sacred? is star wars next then. we'll start over, but with a twist--we will do them in chronological order!!! fuck off with that noise! leave the origianl films alone and come up with something original!
Mongul, Mongual he's our (alien) man... by crankyoldguy	Jul 10th, 2009 09:12:08 PM
if he can't scare ya, no one can!
Superman Returns got it half right by crankyoldguy	Jul 10th, 2009 09:17:51 PM
For starter, use of the Williams theme: you can't beat it. Better than Star Wars theme to me, more emotional and stirring. The elements of Donner homage - fine, but Luthor and real estate with moll-type...no no no. If Superman left, he should've become a legit businessman, involved with charities, orphans and all that as a veil for bigger, more sinister schemes, like the best Luthor ever in the animated series and Justice League (Thank you, Clancy Brown). And Routh - he didn't get enough to do and was directed by Singer (why, why , why) to play it with little or no emotion. Wrong. But check the few deleted scenes with wrong, like the one where he scans the old newspapers and spots the Lois editorial that went on to win Pulitzer. That's the stuff this movie needed. And a better villain-plot and action than kryptonite island causes quakes in Metropolis. And the kid? It's been done better (differently, of course) in the recent comics. But it's still wasn't all bad.
The Theme by TedKordLives	Jul 10th, 2009 09:36:28 PM
If there's one constant, it IS the music. Williams' theme should always and forever be the source music of any Superman flick. Hell, I've got a copy of it that I saw on the shelf and picked up without hesitation.To be fair, it was only 6 bucks used, but, as I said, no hesitation. Shit is classic.
Tom Welling or Matthew Bomer no one else. by SID 8.0	Jul 10th, 2009 09:54:04 PM
Don't start over again just do the Watchmen thing and show the history during the opening credits. Hit the ground running and get Darkseid in the batting circle cause he's up next. Make the best superhero movie ever. Now where's my check HOllywood?
tedkordlives--johnny williams just hijacked this TB by Six Demon Bag	Jul 10th, 2009 09:55:46 PM
did you get the 2 disc? thats jamming. the output of his from 1975-1984--classic. the golden age of film music and a quite impressionable time for me.
If I could dream of the next plot of Superman... by Rakafraker	Jul 10th, 2009 10:01:54 PM
...I'd like a reboot, but this time, I'd like to see WB make a trilogy where the first movie is mostly about the events on Krypton before the planet blows up (Brainiac, and his bottled cities) and ends with Jor-El blasting Kal-El's ship into space as the planet explodes. Second movie should be The Kent family bringing Supes up to be a man, escalation of super-villians, ending with reveal of brainiac behind events. Third movie, death of Supes.
Film them consecutively, LotR-style... by Rakafraker	Jul 10th, 2009 10:11:32 PM
... and release one every summer for the next 3 years. Of course, nobody has the balls to do something as ambitious as this. Prove me wrong. I dare ya.
Awwww hell by rogueleader66	Jul 10th, 2009 10:41:39 PM
I don't give a shit what they do, just give me a Superman movie that kicks ass the way Superman II did. Period. To my Glengarry Glenross compadres..."Coffee is for closers only....you think i'm fuckin with you?....I am not fuckin with you"
just pay the vultures the money by vetepalapinga	Jul 10th, 2009 10:49:37 PM
why do we all have to suffer thru another badly written /made Superman movie?
I scrolled all the way down to see if lockesbrokenleg left after by xalener	Jul 11th, 2009 12:12:32 AM
He didn't...
SONOFABITCH MUST PAY! by ironic_name	Jul 11th, 2009 04:14:12 AM

Good God, the theme? by Subtitles_Off	Jul 11th, 2009 08:35:26 AM
Fuck that shit. It's old. THIRTY YEARS LATER, PEOPLE. Sure, reference the theme in a new score. That's fine. But, note for fricking note? Where's the imagination? Ted, I told you you were aces. Don't make me take it back!
Thanks 'lop! by Subtitles_Off	Jul 11th, 2009 08:37:04 AM
Now I get to call you a douche or something. I think that's how this all goes. Then lockes will jump on and type something stupid. If we play this right, we could have an epic flame war, and nobody would end up with hurt feelings.
you know what it takes to sell real estate? by Six Demon Bag	Jul 11th, 2009 10:38:49 AM
it takes brass ball. go and do like wise gentlemen.
I've been consistent in what I've asked for... by lynxpro	Jul 11th, 2009 10:44:28 AM
I want a SUPERMAN film which has its origins in SMALLVILLE but treats that "source" material as selective canonicity/continuity. For example, take the cast but jettison a lot of the back story. Say for example, the death of Jonathan Kent. Ignore that and bring his character back since it was WB Pictures that demanded that The WB kill off the character so that it wouldn't "confuse" SMALLVILLE viewers who might actually check out that abortion of a film (SR). Bring back Lex and Lionel. But start the film with Clark Kent permanently relocating to Metropolis and finally becoming Superman. And for gosh sakes, use the Byrne material as the way Superman should be portrayed on the silver screen. No more reliance on Silver Age, Donner age, or the current take on the character in the comics. Byrne is the way to go. And I'd highly suggest drafting Nolan to do the film as well as the mirror opposite of his Batman films. He'll, I'd bribe Bale to pop up in a cameo scene too in full Batman attire and/or in a meeting as Bruce Wayne with Lex. Michael Rosenbaum must be Lex and Christopher Reeve's own choice to play Superman should be honored... that being the actual actor who has been playing Clark Kent on tv for 8 years - and who beat out Routh for that role too, I might add - Tom mofo Welling. Say "your welcome" for the advice, Warner Bros.
speaking of Big Trouble in Little China... by lynxpro	Jul 11th, 2009 11:32:13 AM
When the hell is Fox going to release it on Blu-ray? I want that film on Blu-ray more than I want the original Star Wars trilogy on Blu. Same goes for Fight Club.
ZOOEY by DrMorbius	Jul 12th, 2009 01:18:19 AM
Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy
superman76... by 11dayempire	Jul 13th, 2009 10:15:00 AM
Glad someone agrees with me about Rudy Reyes. :)
Thak God no one's listened to lynx. by Subtitles_Off	Jul 13th, 2009 01:11:58 PM
SMALLVILLE is ass.

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