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The BBC Has Launched Its
Weeklong TORCHWOOD
Miniseries And We’ve
Got A Look At Episode One!!

About time by Aloy	Jul 6th, 2009 04:27:47 PM
Finally something to watch this summer.
all for it by mr. smith	Jul 6th, 2009 04:28:12 PM
torchwood is flawed to be sure, but cool
As bad as TV gets. by HoffmanPasander	Jul 6th, 2009 04:29:27 PM
Camp shit.
Actually, TV gets much worse. by offscauta	Jul 6th, 2009 04:35:23 PM
Krod Mandoon, for example. Or Britain's Next Top Model. Or X-Factor. Torchwood is merely mediocre.
A VAST Improvement by SminkyPinky	Jul 6th, 2009 04:36:19 PM
Thge camp is toned well down. The tone has more in keeping with Spooks or Waking the Dead (but with some humour) and far suits being a serial than stand alone episodes. I was impressed. After dislking the first two series, Torchwood finally has found its way.
10/10. Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant! by HarryBlackPotter	Jul 6th, 2009 04:36:24 PM
Wasnt a big Torchwood fan before tonight but that was fraking awesome. Cant wait til 2mrw
The list of worse television above... by offscauta	Jul 6th, 2009 04:37:09 PM
...is nowhere near complete, obviously.
@ Aloy -- True Blood, one of the best shows on TV by SallahBoBallah	Jul 6th, 2009 04:37:18 PM
is airing its second season, so there is something to watch already this summer. I suggest you watch it.
Where's Mickey & Martha? by Midnighter	Jul 6th, 2009 04:43:52 PM
After they beat the Daleks it sure seemed like they were joining up with Captain Jack, which was a huge f'ing relief because I like both of them a hell of a lot more than Tosh and Owen. It gave me hope that the show would become less mediocre. Ah well.
Freakangels is free... by Xandr37	Jul 6th, 2009 04:48:06 PM
www.freakangels.com no need to buy it in paper form
Seriously? This was good? And written by RTD??? by V'Shael	Jul 6th, 2009 04:51:58 PM
I'm sceptical, but will watch this. My suspicion is that "We are coming back" will refer to a brand new alien threat, rather than one seen before in Dr. Who, since RTD doesn't seem very keen on maintaining continuity. Would love to see Silurians come back though.
It was good... by Gabba-UK	Jul 6th, 2009 05:07:22 PM
just mailed my review to Herc, hopefully he'll use it. And Krod Mandoon???? There has NEVER EVER NEVER EVER been a program on British TV as soul crushingly SHITE as that. I defy you find one. It makes The Black And White Minstral Show look like serious insight into multiculturalism!!!
RTD writing by SminkyPinky	Jul 6th, 2009 05:08:26 PM
Yes, I was surprised when I saw his name at the beginning, but this was surprisingly tight stuff from RTD. There was still a few moments of his kind of whimsy and box ticking which bugs me but they were few and far between. The direction was damned tight as well. Far tighter than Euros Lyn's previous Who & Torchwood episodes. Keep it up, Beeb!
He did use my review. Yay for Herc. by Gabba-UK	Jul 6th, 2009 05:16:14 PM
Its just my opinion. But you guys have got to agree with me about Gwen as portrayed by Eve Myles. That girl would just be so fucking dirty in bed!!!
Mickey & Martha by Chorlton01	Jul 6th, 2009 05:19:08 PM
Mickey is now an up and coming director (please see Kidulthood etc) and Martha jumped ship to be in the British version of Law & Order with Apollo from BSG. After tonights Torchwood I bet she is kicking herself.
Enjoyed it by barnaby jones	Jul 6th, 2009 05:21:24 PM
The new format, has a sense of '24' style urgency about it. It doesn't give you time to think about how silly it all is.
wasn't previously a touchwood fan by ian216a	Jul 6th, 2009 05:32:54 PM
And I'm still not - I would agree that it is an improvement - especially in RTD's writing, and the first episode did a good job of setting up an intriging mystery. But it is all shot down again in fiery hot flames by the TERRIBLE quality of the acting by the lead cast, especially Eve Myles. Truly awful, suspension of disbelief killing, performance from her tonight. If they put the cast in an actual scene with Peter Capaldi for example, some home truths are gonna be more than self-evident!
Absolute bollocks by spud mcspud	Jul 6th, 2009 05:34:09 PM
RTD pushing his "OKAY TO BE GAY" agenda - there's a whole fucking subtext about Ianto and Jack that does NOTHING to advance the plot one bit - and finding the time to push his "THERE IS NO GOD" atheist agenda too, all at the expense of a coherent plot, or creating characters even approaching two-dimensional. Ianto is still so wooden you could use him for a bookshelf. Absolute, PC-is-more-important-than-plot rubbish. So, basicaly business as usual for TOUCHWOOD. There's an interesting discussion on this going on in the JENNIFER'S BODY TB too. But still. Oh, and Russell: HAVE AN ORIGINAL IDEA THAT ISN'T SOMEONE ELSE'S, JUST FOR FUCKING ONCE!
Behold a decent Torchwood episode. by Smashing	Jul 6th, 2009 05:38:50 PM
Colour me shocked by tonight's show, it was exciting and funny, something I thought this show was allergic too. Kinda feels like its all winding down though or about to go all Angel season 5 on us, I hope for the latter.
Touch wood Spud that's clever. by Smashing	Jul 6th, 2009 05:41:59 PM
Or it would have been if the show wasn't 3 years old. Your opinions are as usual biased your way, the Jack/Ianto romance was the story furthered tonight, also it isn't subtext if they openly talk about an issue, it's addressing it.
spud mcspud... by spiteface	Jul 6th, 2009 05:42:47 PM
How is the fact that Ianto and Jack are in a relationship together pushing an "okay to be gay" agenda? Do you object to gay characters on television, or do you just think that the depiction is poorly handled?
SMASHING! YOU'RE BACK!!! by spud mcspud	Jul 6th, 2009 05:45:59 PM
My old Who TB nemesis. Good to hear from you! Well, they managed to shoehorn some good old plot advancement when Gwen spoke to her fella - the whole idea that Gwen's guy figured out that the aliens must be targeting Britain as the events happened on UK time and the kids spoke in English all over the world. All fitted in with a chat about them buying a house and maybe having babies. In the whole "Ianto Comin Out" scene, which important plot points did they get in during the "Are you a bender? You take it up the bum?" scene again? And while we're talking hypocrisy, do you think a straight writer would've got away with a scene like that without being severly castigated by the Beeb elite? But it's OKAY to broadcast anti-gay vulgarity if a GAY writer writes it, eh? Come on, Smashing. You have to do better than that. Oh, and ripping off THE MIDWICH CUCKOOS... that's just fucking lazy, RTD.
"We are coming!" by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Jul 6th, 2009 05:46:15 PM
- AICN talkbackers each week on the ScriptGirl page.
spiteface by spud mcspud	Jul 6th, 2009 05:48:12 PM
Just very poorly handled, clumsy in a way that betrays RTD's rush to put his PC obsession before the plot. The whole Ianto-at-home-with-his-relativ es scene was pointless - dfidn't move the plot forward one iota, other than to get the car stolen. For what reason? For a supposedly pioneering gay writer, RTD sure is shit at tying in his gay characters to the actual narrative. You could throw Ianto totally out of this series and nothing would change, he's THAT ineffectual.
Fucking terrible by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 6th, 2009 05:49:13 PM
Yet again RTD shits all over Doctor Who. Moffat is our only hope now.
spiteface by spud mcspud	Jul 6th, 2009 05:50:09 PM
So yeah, it's the depiction I have a problem with. RTD should be forced to watch BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN several times in a row to see how well a gay relationship CAN be handled onscreen.
spud mcspud by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 6th, 2009 05:53:14 PM
Ianto is a horrible character, totally bland. I too thought the plot stopped dead when he visited his relatives.
The haters totally miss the point by Lloytron	Jul 6th, 2009 05:58:29 PM
Get all het up about RTD and the gay/atheist agenda all you want. That was some cracking Monday night prime time telly right there. It wasn't great but FFS, it was way better than anything else that was on. The part with the kids screaming was genuinely creepy too. So you guys can rant on about whatever phobias or intolerances you have, but let the rest of us talk about enjoyable telly.
Ianto by Lloytron	Jul 6th, 2009 06:01:07 PM
Can't you guys that are railing on the 'pointlessness' of Ianto and his family/jack scenes see something that is commonly known as 'telegraphing'? You don't think this next week is going to suck majorly for his character?
spud mcspud by spiteface	Jul 6th, 2009 06:01:26 PM
I agree with you about the gay-boy/bender/take it up the arse line, it was really contrived, a parody of how the working-class talk. Also - not so funny. Though I suppose it isn't too much of a shock seeing as how RTD's writing is so typically "broad". As for the "coming put" scene itself. I don't have a problem with it per se. It helps to establish more of Ianto's character (gawd knows he needs it) and his relationship with others, especially Jack. If you have a problem with it because it doesn't further the plot of the alien invasion, then by that account you should dislike any scenes between gwen and her hubby, or of gwen dithering over her pregancy just as much. These scenes are meant to contextualise the characters, so that you care for them within the greater drama of the alien invasion and what-not. If you don't care for the Ianto/Jack/"gay" scenes then fair enough, but it isn't anything to do with pushing a gay agenda.
Lloytron - better than anything else that was on? by ian216a	Jul 6th, 2009 06:09:24 PM
dude - they were doing an autopsy on a fucking WHALE on channel 4. Are you mental?
spiteface by spud mcspud	Jul 6th, 2009 06:12:24 PM
I'd agree with you - if there was any character advancement to be had re Ianto / Jack. Ianto's range of emoting goes from "constipated uncomfortable" to "yearning but constipated and uncomfortable" - a frown that doesn't change for four series isn't what you'd call "contextualising". As I say, I'm more confused by the fact that an openly gay writer can write straight characters / couples as three-dimensional, realistic people with needs, goals, arcs and emotions, whereas the gay characters are two-dimensional to the point that they don't actually develop from series to series - Ianto is still a plank, Jack is still covering his deep inner turmoil (if it's actually there at all) with his flippant, guarded exterior - and the only reason they are a couple at all in TORCHWOOD seems to be because RTD wants a gay couple to feature prominently - and his idea of featuring a gay couple prominently in this series is to have some other character say "But you're GAY!" (or something similar) in every other scene. Honestly - how have Ianto and Jack actually developed beyond Ianto staring at Jack with that intense frown, and Jack dropping comments that indicate he's not interested in anything serious? That same state of affairs for two series is unrealistic. And as for the kiss at the end of the episode - where did that come from, if Ianto's too shy to do anything about the relationship and Jack's too guarded? Is it beyond the realms of possibility to suggest that RTD threw that scene in there to rile up the Daily Mail readers? By "gay agenda", I mean that RTD thinks that furthering the understanding and acceptance of the gay lifestyle within a greater heterosexual viewership can be achieved efficiently by having every other scene refer to Ianto and Jack's relationship or their sexual orientation CONSTANTLY - without it having anything whatsoever to do with the plot. Bascially, it doesn't feel organic, and it's not me speaking as some bigot or homophobe - it's me speaking as a vehement hater of badly-written issue-driven shit. THE PLOT SHOULD COME FIRST - and tell me what plot we'd have lost had we cut out the scene with Ianto at his relatives, or Ianto and Jack talking outside the Hub? Virtually NONE. It's clumsy, it's heavy-handed, and - most unforgiveably - it's SOAPBOX WRITING. RTD needs to get back to entertaining his viewers, not telling them what they should and shouldn't find acceptable in everyday life.
I lolled at the 'taking it up the bum' comment by Lloytron	Jul 6th, 2009 06:12:40 PM
As did my mother in law who I was watching it with. Not because of the comment itself, but because of the way it fitted in with the scene. Which, incidentally, is how these things should be taken - in context. The previous lines were about how the sister was trustworthy, and that line was the payoff - it was a joke about the sister being a loose lipped gossips, and not about being gay.
ian216a by spud mcspud	Jul 6th, 2009 06:13:15 PM
Fuck! Missed the Whale autopsy! The elephant was very cool last week - will catch the Whale on playback...
ian216a by Lloytron	Jul 6th, 2009 06:14:31 PM
Heh, I forgot about that, but then again as interesting as that probably was, it's not my cup of tea!
it's a crocodile next week by ian216a	Jul 6th, 2009 06:16:33 PM
and they found a really really big one
I don't know about Torchwood's gay agenda BUT... by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Jul 6th, 2009 06:16:40 PM
...I DO know that Kathy Bates invented gays. Even before she was born, they used to show a picture of her face to cavemen kids and those same kids never wanted to look at a woman again. We are currently living in what the cavemen prophecised as 'The Age Of The Bates' (AKA 'The Coming Of The Beast') which is why there are more gays than ever. Torchwood should do an episode based on this real-life absolute fact.
I'm out, peeps by spud mcspud	Jul 6th, 2009 06:16:41 PM
It's past midnight here in the UK, and as much as I want to watch Chelsea Lately (that sexy bitch), I needs to hit the hay. Have a good one y'all. If tomorrow's ep is shit, I'll be back here bringing the hate. Bring me some reasoned arguments, would-be Spud mashers - I'm always up for a good argument! Have fun. Spud Out.
spud mcspud by Lloytron	Jul 6th, 2009 06:18:25 PM
You have a point, but I can't help but feel that it is one that will be disproven during the next few days. The Ianto/Jack stuff was handled poorly tonight but I get the impression that it was handled quickly more than it was handled badly. By this I mean that a lot happened tonight, and I get the feeling that the Jack/Ianto/Daughter/Sister thing will have a lot to do with the plot over the next few days, even if it is not apparent right now. Yes, it has been pretty redundant in the past, but lets judge the result a week from now.
pretty good by jccalhoun	Jul 6th, 2009 06:29:16 PM
I thought the first season of Torchwood was crap. The second was much better and I think this is better still. way to include a spoiler in the review up there though. I was surprised when the guy died (ok, not at the exact moment when he died. that was pretty obvious but the scene before that was a surprise) what's not surprising is our favorite anti-gay commenter is back. Why would someone keep watching a show with a gay character in it if you didn't like it? Expecting something to change after so many years is just stupid.
Watchable... by SilentSentient	Jul 6th, 2009 06:35:04 PM
I've dipped in and out of Torchwood..(no pun intended I promise!) and have generally been unimpressed. But watched todays ep out of intrigue of the new format and thought it wasn't too bad..watchable. So will tune in for the rest of the week to see how it pans out. At any rate only 5 eps so even if it doesn't quiet work out.. not too much time invested.
SilentSentient by Lloytron	Jul 6th, 2009 06:40:05 PM
Indeed - it is a fair gamble, especially if you are only going to be watching other channels instead, if this wasn't on (sounds sad but its true in a lot of cases). Folks can slag Torchwood off all they want, it's way better than some of the shit on telly at the moment.
Not bad until the last 5 minutes-- by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Jul 6th, 2009 06:50:10 PM
--then became laughably bad.
this show is wank by TheExterminator	Jul 6th, 2009 07:12:39 PM
anyone who watches it is a plebby gobshite
Starts in Australia tonight on UKTV by slimballs	Jul 6th, 2009 07:13:51 PM
Looking forward to it.
Gaywood? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 6th, 2009 08:40:29 PM
This show is just awful! AWFUL!!
No hatred, just boredom by MilesGloriosus	Jul 6th, 2009 09:20:14 PM
God bless the gays, may they be happy and all that, but I don't watch TV to see that stuff. That's why I stopped watching Torchwood: I got tired of being beat over the head with it.
Will HD Net also be carrying this? by nyj_et	Jul 6th, 2009 10:25:53 PM
They carried the last season at the same time as BBCA. Low-budget British Sci-Fi looks better in HD.
glad something worth watching this summer by FrodoFraggins	Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:34 PM
It's too bad they killed of 40% of the team and 2/3rds of the good characters in the S2 finale. This will help tide me over until Fall TV.
BBCA is going HD on the day of the premier by jccalhoun	Jul 6th, 2009 10:31:34 PM
BBCA is using Torchwood to premier their hd channel so I doubt hdnet will be showing torchwood.
Lol, rhey're making fun of American TV, when all by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 6th, 2009 10:40:09 PM
we heard all winter was that Susan Boyle shit.
ChoclateWoman by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:06:41 PM
If you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk about it. Yep, a lot of British TV is shit. It used to be the best in the world, until it was tabloidised etc & now it sucks for the most part. In that sense you're right. But to say "Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty".".....No we don't. I'm British & I don't give a shit about royalty. You'd be better off sticking to what you know.
TITBAG.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:10:18 PM
How can you possibly say Torchwood is better than BSG? That's insane. BSG pisses all over Torchwood, Doctor Who & pretty much any British sci-fi since the 60's & 70's, when we were good at it. Also, people complaining about the gay stuff in torchwood are right. Because it's heavy-handed, PC shit. There were gay people on BSG too, but it wasn't done like on Torchwood where everybody's at least Bi-sexual.
WHAT ABOUT.... by DrMorbius	Jul 6th, 2009 11:15:23 PM
PRIMEVAL? TORCHWOOD is 100 times better than that shit! And I don't even like Torchwood any more!!!
by pinkraygun_guy	Jul 6th, 2009 11:18:14 PM
At least on Torchwood they don't feel the need to turn the gay characters psychotic, or chop of their limbs as an outward expression of how "half-a-man" they are.
Dark Shite by DrMorbius	Jul 6th, 2009 11:19:47 PM
I actually did like a couple of the TENANT Who Eps. I only get to watch them on Sci-Fi (SyFy). Have you seen any of his last Episodes? Don't know when we'll get them here!
ChoclateWoman & lockesbrokenleg by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:21:51 PM
i'd just like to add, that if there's one thing that I don't like about SOME Americans, it's that they look for any excuse to insult other countries & be rabidly nationalistic. So, we get ChoclateWoman, saying that we "Adore" the concept of royalty. A blatant untruth. Then lockesbrokenleg, saying "They're" making fun of American TV, when as far as I could see, it was TITBAG doing his TITBAG thing. I wasn't aware TITBAG spoke for the entire British population.
DrMorbius by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:26:04 PM
I haven't seen any for ages. I live in Japan. I saw some of Ecclestone's & a few of Tenant's, but I wasn't hugely impressed. I'm surprised Americans like Doctor Who, to be honest. It always seemed a bit too tongue in cheek to me.
pinkraygun_guy by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:28:56 PM
Do you really think they did that to Gaeta because he was a gay character? Then why would they make him gay in the first place? There's also the fact that his lover (whose name escapes me right now), was given command of the fleet at the end. That's hardly anti-gay is it?
I thought TITBAG was Queen of Brtian or some shit? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 6th, 2009 11:29:46 PM

He is queen of Britain.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:30:48 PM
You're queen of the back alleys.
Anyway, back to Torchwood.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:37:07 PM
I think the thing abiout Davies is that he's about as subtle as a sledgehammer. I don't mind him showing that gay people exist & some people have alternative lifestyles, that's reality. But he doesn't stop at just having gay characters, he has to ram it down our throats (no pun intended). It's as if he doesn't just wanna promote homosexuality, but promiscuity & generally acting like a sleazy fucker, when the vast majority of Torchwood's viewers are little kids, due to the Doctor Who/Sarah Jane link.
DarkShite by DrMorbius	Jul 6th, 2009 11:49:18 PM
Have you ever seen Sanctuary? If so, what do you think of it? Ir's also a little hit and miss for me.
That's another I haven't seen.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 6th, 2009 11:54:03 PM
That's online though right? I keep meaning to check it out.
I had enough gay people on BSG. by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 6th, 2009 11:55:11 PM
It was weird watching the show in the first season, where it was pure sci fi. Then, it became some weird ass issues show. BSG was never an issues show. It was about people finding Earth.
DarkShite by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 12:04:09 AM
Don't really know if its online, but if it is, check out NUBBINS. A light quirky comedy Episode.
just say day one.... by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 12:08:51 AM
brilliant! so so good!
There's a report that Tenant and RTD... by paulrichard	Jul 7th, 2009 12:12:22 AM
are going to do a Dr Who movie: http://tinyurl.com/m26ce6
re: lockesbrokenleg by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 12:13:48 AM
you're a douche. BSG was FULL UP with political allegory. it was infinitely more an 'issue show' than 'torchwood', and having said that BSG was not an issue show either. Having gay characters does not make a show an 'issue show'. You have the issues... not the show.
lockesbrokenleg by Rhuragh	Jul 7th, 2009 12:20:42 AM
Your subject line is a completely inane statement. There were TWO whole gay relationships on BSG, and one of them wasn't even on the fucking show, it only happened in webisodes. Actually, the body of your post is fucking retarded too. The show was DESIGNED as a fucking "issues" show. It was designed in the wake of 9/11 to examine how society would function after a massive trauma of that sort. The first season, the season without any so-called "issues", contained one of the best episodes of the series, Flesh and Bone, focused completely on the ISSUE of torture! Note that it aired ten months after the Abu Ghraib torture scandal news broke. The first season also featured the beginning of the remarkably coherent series long arc of turning Baltar from a man of science to a man of faith. And speaking of faith, this season also fully elucidated the series long conflict between the Colonials and Cylons and their polytheistic and monotheistic beliefs. If faith and conflict between religions isn't an "issue", I'm not quite sure what the fuck is.
paulrichard by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 12:23:38 AM
Thanks for the link. I'm going to Comic Con and will definitely check it out!
I really want to like Torchwood by tomdolan04	Jul 7th, 2009 12:43:07 AM
It has smut, a distinctly British (Welsh) identity, is sci-fi and doesn't take itself too seriously. However it's just so...amatuer? Since day one it's been BEGGING to be various other shows (with plots lifted straight out of them and occasionally hell the actors from them too) and it's mistaking 'camp' as 'just plain lazy and awkward in parts'. Doctor Who has the whimsy charm (and in Tenant at the moment a charasmatic intelligent leading man) to move it beyond it's plot and story shortfalls. This has John 'BBC Jack of all trades, master of none' Barrowman and an unconventionally attractive female lead but lumpy story telling that I'm guessing this will culminate in some convoluted reset button affair. Ho hum - I'll take it as home grown sci-fi, but it aint great.
Torchwood is awful... and Welsh by catlettuce4	Jul 7th, 2009 01:15:35 AM
Seriously. Cardiff?
I meant the original BSG was not an issues show by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 01:24:28 AM
I KNOW the new one was an issues so, but it got so into issues in seasons 3 and 4, that it lost focus. Go look at Season one, and then Season Three. The show changed a lot. Of course, the nice guy on the ship turns out gay or bi, and has a ton of issues. The women on the BSG series were messed up, So messed up to the point where some didn't even give a shit anymore. Look at the episode 33, and then at the last episode. A WORLD of difference.
On the topic of gay-themed tv and movies... by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 01:32:42 AM
Some guy without FAIL has to post what he THINKS is an enlightened point of view: "I don't care if there are gay people on TV, but just don't ramp it down my throat". There's also the popular, "I don't have a problem with gay people, but why does every show have to have a gay character?" There was a chorus of that bullshit after "Brokeback Mountain" came out. People were saying, "Now EVERY movies going to be about gay people.” And then there was a near THREE YEAR GAP from 2005-2008 until another high profile gay-themed Hollywood film was released, 'Milk'. And you'll notice after last year’s financial and critical success of 'Milk', somehow the avalanche of gay-themed films is still yet to occur. My point is, a lot of times it might SEEM to a straight guy that he is being inundated with gay characters in movies and TV... But, it might just SEEM that way because you don't know a gay person. So, for instance, in the world of 'Battlestar Galactica', if 2 characters OUT OF THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE turn out to be gay… That IT SELF would be a science fiction plot. And if by chance you do have a gay friend or family member that you care about, and it STILL burns your ass when there's a gay character in a TV show... Please take a moment to realize that while this is a character you do not relate to, this might be the ONE character your friend can FULLY relate to... Especially in the rare case that the character isn't a completely insulting stereotype. PS: The over-the-top gay [fill in the blank with an occupation] character is not now, nor has it ever been an effort to entertain gay people. They are generally added to make Midwestern housewives laugh... So please don’t confuse that as part some “gay agenda” to dominate your DVR.
Captain Jack is always better on WHo by jccalhoun	Jul 7th, 2009 01:36:34 AM
On Torchwood Captain Jack has always seemed to be a different character that just happened to be played by the same guy and have the same name as the Captain Jack on Doctor Who. Jack is always more interesting on Who where he doesn't have to be the guy with the answers or the responsible one. This first episode was entertaining but I prefer to think of it as a different universe than Who. For my money Sarah Jane Adventures has been the most entertaining Who-related show even if it is a "kiddie" show.
Do you watch TV much? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 01:38:56 AM
There are gay people on there. The Ellem Degeneres thing was the starting poi8nt. The doors opened and every show had to have an edgy gay character or scenes. Sometimes it's just forced and it makes you shake your head. Hell, Most of the trendy YV shoes theses days have gay characters on them.
Again we see the weakness of RTD scripts... by wowsah156	Jul 7th, 2009 01:48:18 AM
RTD is a writer who would be excellent on soaps like Eastenders and Corrie but on Who and Torchwood he is awful. The scenes where Ianto and Jack go to visit their family was painful to watch. Jacks scene with his daughter could have been amazing and dark in the hands of a good writer like Steve Moffat, but under RTD it was like one big long Eastenders cliche. Just. Pure. shit. A story is only as strong has its characters and Torchwood is weak. And why is Gwen is fucking alive!? I hope to fucking god that Gwen gets killed off. Painfully. Clive Barker Hellraiser painful. Gwen is like a sopa opera character imposed/photoshopped into a sci fi environment. It doesnt work. There no dignity in her character. Give her a dgnified PAINFUL death. At its core torchwood is about the mystery of Captain Jack. Keep him and make all the supporting characters expendable. The writers need to watch BBC's Spooks to show how to write action and tension.
Doctor Who Blackout on AICN??? by travisc	Jul 7th, 2009 01:49:14 AM
So this week end I just happen to discover that Doctor Who has jumped from Sci-Fi to BBCA. I don't remember this being covered on AICN. Then, I find out that the first of the last four Tennant specials aired back on my birthday (6/26), just in time to miss any reshowings. Seriously, how does an American premiere of a Doctor Who special get no coverage on Coaxial?!
ChoclateWoman by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS	Jul 7th, 2009 02:04:10 AM
Well, at least most of them can spell the word 'chocolate'. Dumb ass!
re: lockesbrokenleg by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 02:18:00 AM
Again, you're an ass. "Of course, the nice guy on the ship turns out gay or bi, and has a ton of issues." The fact that he was bi was back story to flesh out the character... It was not meant to destroy your fantasy of a 100% straight BSG crew. I assure you the creators never intended to hurt you to the point that you're STILL bitching about it months after the show ended... If it really keeps you up at night, just pretend that in your BSG dreams, he's straight… even if he was SOOOOOOOOOO bi. 6's sexuality was completely overt, but I've yet to see you post about how painful that was when they rammed that fact down your throat. And yes, whether they were gay, straight, bi, or Starbuck, MANY CHARACTERS HAD BAGGAGE BY THE END OF THE SERIES. His leg was a visual metaphor for the things that had been taken away from him over the course of the series. And breaking from the cartoon tradition, legs don't grow back in the next scene on BSG. Felix had weak character (WHICH WAS INTERESTING!) and given the fact that he'd been run through the mud over and over, he eventually had a down fall. The mutiny was one of most badass eps towards the end of the series and it was tied to Gaeta's ruin... If it wasn't a character Adama trusted so completely, it would have mattered less. How do you like a show like Lost or BSG and fail to understand a plot point can make you sad or even angry and still be entertaining? You remind me of my mom.
Um why am I an ass. Did I insult anyone? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 02:38:33 AM
I liked BSG. It was an awesome show. I thought how they handled Felix. He was very nearly airlocked by HIS OWN CREW, and then they had to go mess his character up. Yes, I realize that Six is sexual, but she uses that to manipulate other characters. It was used to good effect. NOT just a story point. As for Felix, it would have been nice to see something GOOD happen to him ONCE. Instead, he, like most of the shows characters, were raked through the coals.
Tries too hard to be "adult" by ides	Jul 7th, 2009 02:38:57 AM
So far the series has tried so hard to be "adult" that it comes across as juvenile. The frontline of our defense against aliens is pretty much ruled by hormones and petty conflicts. To its credit, most of the episodes did move rather quickly, but most of the attempts to be "edgy" severely undermined any sort of logic about how the team would actually have to function if it were to be effective. I really want to like this show more than I do, but I usually feel like you could pick a few random people off the street and they could behave more professionally and make more rational decisions than most of the characters on this show do.
rere: lockesbrokenleg by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 02:39:24 AM
It’s really not your place to tell me the state of entertainment targeted to gay people. I know there are a lot of gay characters on TV. My point is that more often than not, these characters aren't treated like other characters. Their relationships are short lived, or largely off screen, or they just don't exist... On 'Will & Grace', a WILDY POPULAR show about a gay and straight pair of friends, the gay guy didn't have a real boyfriend for the first 7 or 8 seasons of a 9 season run. I don't expect you to know that, but it SEEMS like you don't know or care much about learning about gay culture Which is why I find it fascinating that a throwaway line that a character is bi could fucking set you on fire. Why do you care? I cannot and probably will not ever understand why simply having a character be gay as opposed to being straight makes straight men feel they’re being attacked. And if you don’t feel you’re under assault to some degree, please keep your bitching to yourself.
Great episode by Brody77	Jul 7th, 2009 02:52:08 AM
Really enjoyed it - but I miss the theme tune! They mentioned Martha - fair play - but no mention of Mickey Smith, last scene leaving Doctor Who to join Jack at Torchwood? I've heard rumours this is the last season of Torchwood - based on this, I truly hope not!
"John 'BBC Jack of all trades, master of none' Barrowman" by Scratchmonkey	Jul 7th, 2009 02:53:44 AM
You've got that right. What a talentless bunch of ubiquitous cunt that bloke is. The BBC really needs to stop grooming him to be the next Graham Norton.
rerere: lockesbrokenleg by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 03:00:16 AM
For one, the ass thing was out of line… noted. As Geata's bisexuality not being vital enough to the plot, you're talking shit. I could go through any episode and pick out 50 things that are there for no more purpose than to hint at some insight into the secondary characters' lives. It's these little details that were dropped along the way that made Geata interesting in the first place. I will not claim to understand why it bothers YOU so much, but I've had may a conversation where an angry straight guy is simply annoyed that the 'bi' thing was thrown in for no other reason than to please gay people. If this applies to you, I've suggested it might be because you get no added benefit to learning Geata is bi... however, a gay or bi person might look back and think differently about the character and gain a new perspective, I suggest this possibility, because I FOR ONE saw the character differently. The one thing I know for sure, is NOBODY was aiming to please you with this revelation. If you can accept that you are not THE ONLY audience for the shows you watch, it might be easier to watch them without getting so bent out of shape.
Time taken before first gay reference... by BiggusDickus	Jul 7th, 2009 03:01:35 AM
...five minutes forty-eight seconds. Russell, you're gay, we get it, but are you so shallow and insecure that every single thing you write has to be liberally flavoured by your need to broadcast and justify your own sexuality? Is the fact that you're gay truly all that defines you? Is it? How sad.
rererere: lockesbrokenleg by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 03:03:54 AM
... can we just agree 'lost' kicks ass? i feel the need to find some common ground.
Wonder how a Steven Moffat episode would play? by BiggusDickus	Jul 7th, 2009 03:07:14 AM
Imagine him writing this one. Not so much campness, far more spookiness and a bit more subtlety around the wholesale ripping-off of John Wyndham. Oh Russell, you hack...
re: BiggusDickus by VoteRoslin08	Jul 7th, 2009 03:13:49 AM
you're silly. this is series 3. the characters are bi. why are you still watching if references to bisexuality send you into a time stamp checking frenzy? How sad.
So sick of people slagging off Torchwood by blagwedge	Jul 7th, 2009 03:26:30 AM
Why is it whenever a decent british sci fi show comes out, british people flock here in their droves and pretend they know about good script writing? wer-er-er theres not enough plot advancement wer-er-er theres not enough characterisation. I'm sick of it. This is the BEST british Sci fi in years!!! Do you think you could do better? The characters are likeable, the dialogue is sharp and witty, and the plot is ....well i dont know about that, i've only seen episode 1. But so far....i'm tolerant and accepting. Give it a chance Britain! Or would you rather see a double bill of "hole in the wall"?
When does Michel Jackson appear on this show by masteryoda007	Jul 7th, 2009 04:24:59 AM
As an intergalactic paedo?
Is that cunt Jackson buried/cremated yet? by masteryoda007	Jul 7th, 2009 04:25:50 AM

In fairness to RTD, Wyndham's been fair game for years by palimpsest	Jul 7th, 2009 04:33:38 AM
See 28 DAYS LATER, which nicks the opening of DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS. Speaking of which, the BBC (on arts channel BBC4) is currently re-running the splendid early 80s version of TRIFFIDS, partly in preparation for a new version the Beeb's premiering in late 2009. It's interesting that with WHO, TORCHWOOD, TRIFFIDS, MERLIN, SARAH JANE ADVENTURES, SURVIVORS (yes, that got re-commissionned too, and there'll be a new BBC series of that before Christmas), the Beeb's unafraid to present SF/fantasy as mainstream entertainment. The trick for them is to develop original material, rather than rely on remakes, spin-offs and retellings.
VoteRoslin08... by BiggusDickus	Jul 7th, 2009 04:37:56 AM
Never seen it before, chief. I've always been put off by Captain Jack, as I couldn't stand the character every time he popped up in Doctor Who. However, the BBC plugged this as and adult sci-fi 'event' and from the trailers it looked as if they were going for a Quatermass-style, thought-provoking storyline. Alas, it doesn't look like that's going to be the case, does it? Just more of the same Captain Jack/RTD 'issues' that we've been spoon-fed ever since the character was introduced... Mr. Zeddemore has put this more succinctly that I, though...
As for Moffat's SHERLOCK project by palimpsest	Jul 7th, 2009 04:44:21 AM
I'm interested to see how that'll come across. Basically a 21st century retelling of the Holmes stories, this is a collaboration between The Moff and LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN / WHO alumnus Mark Gatiss. A single one hour pilot's been filmed (screening at Christmas 09?). Geeks will rejoice at the casting of Martin Freeman as Watson. Benedict Cumbernatch is Holmes (he looks the part, tho I'm not sure I've ever seen him act) and Rupert Graves gets to bluster as Lestrade. Gatiss can do dark comic pastiche in his sleep (check out his Lucifer Box novels and graphic novels) and The Moff is the UK's go-to guy of the moment for genre entertainment. There are concerns that this material might be getting overworked (the Guy Ritchie movie, HOUSE essentially doing Holmes in a hospital for the last five years, two relatively recent
The reason that Jack and Ianto's sexuality was mentioned... by offscauta	Jul 7th, 2009 04:44:49 AM
...is probably because they're expecting new viewers that have never seen the show with it being on BBC 1 for the first time. Also the same reason they had a scene to establish Gwen's relationship with her boyfriend and a scene where somebody reads about Torchwood. It's there to establish the backstory for people who've never seen the show. For those who get all worked up about a "gay agenda", it's not uncommon for people to write about their own experiences and what interests them. What's the big deal?
(previous post continues) by palimpsest	Jul 7th, 2009 04:46:15 AM
period adaptations from the BBC and so on. We'll see. But again, it shows the Beeb's commitment to genre entertainment, if it also shows they're playing safe for the moment.
@ Mr Zeddemore by palimpsest	Jul 7th, 2009 04:48:06 AM
JEKYLL was great, but it wasn't as good as Moffatt's "Blink" ep for WHO. Still, JEKYLL reminds us again why we're in safe hands with The Moff.
Quatermass? My first thought was 4400. by V'Shael	Jul 7th, 2009 05:02:34 AM
I just watched it and in the first 30 seconds, I said "Huh, it's like Cocoon, where one of the old guys/kids stays behind." I know intellectually, that it's a common trope, used as far back as the Pied Piper of Hamlin. But then, I thought to myself "Oh, I've seen i the trailers and shit that the kids all over the world are saying "We are coming ... back". I bet the ones returning are the kids who were abducted. They'll have freaky powers and shit." Who the fuck bought Russel a copy of the 4400 for Christmas?
Mr. Zeddemore by offscauta	Jul 7th, 2009 05:29:17 AM
Don't get me wrong, for most of its run Torchwood has been depressingly mediocre. It's just that a lot of the complaints here are that it pushes a "gay agenda", not that it's wildly inconsistent in tone and doesn't have anything even remotely resembling a coherent, believable universe. And I'm a big fan of Whedon, but his dialogue is rarely natural. (Nor is RTD's, but in a different way. And for the most part Whedon's is better.)
Mr. Zeddemore by offscauta	Jul 7th, 2009 05:55:44 AM
I agree. I watch Torchwood because I still think the concept has potential, but I'm aware that it's almost masochistic at this point. 27 episodes in and I think I've enjoyed maybe 6 of them, and even those had fairly obvious flaws. But my girlfriend likes the show, often for the very things that bug the shit out of me. Oh, and a lot of the blame for Torchwood must lie with Chris Chibnall. Asides from the first episode and the opening 5 minutes of season 2, RTD didn't write any of it.
Oh, and another thing... by offscauta	Jul 7th, 2009 05:57:50 AM
All the characters being bisexual would have been fine if they were written well.
@Mr. Zeddemore by V'Shael	Jul 7th, 2009 06:28:22 AM
What did I make of the episode? I thought the acting was very bad in places. Like when Gwen pointed at the child and said "Jack, look!" or something. Was she trying not to laugh? Did they use "blocking" footage for the shot? I dunno, but it was bad acting. I liked the surprise reveal about Jack's daughter. I liked the usage of Gwen's bloke. I didn't care much for the way the UK government is represented. It seems to be a major flaw in RTD's writing. He has either no understanding of, or no ability to convey, the way government works. Or reacts to crises. A first day temp being given someone elses password? That password being something as hackable as "Hastings"? Foolishness. Best I can say about the episode is that it wasn't dull, and it wasn't offensively stupid. It's probably the best thing RTD has written for Torchwood or Doctor Who, IMO.
ChoclateWoman by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 07:31:51 AM
With a name (& a mouth) like that, I just know you take it up the wrong 'un. It's ok to admit it. So you take it in the tradesman's entrance? That's ok. You're slack in the back? YOur arse whistles when you're kissed? Don't worry. You don't need to be an angry little dwarf. Just take your sheets to be dry cleaned. Job's a good 'un.
Never mind by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 7th, 2009 07:58:25 AM
Only 3 more episodes of RTD Who to get through until Steven Moffat takes over, a much better writer.
Not Torchwood's biggest fan BUT by UnicornsExist	Jul 7th, 2009 08:07:51 AM
I loved this. Who fan for years, and British, and I hated Torchwood Season 1, and a huge portion of Season 2, but this took most of the problems, and rather than removing it, improved aspects I wanted gone, and made them watchable. If Season 1 had been like this, then it would be part of my collection. But hell, I hate on RTD, but you guys don't appreceate that he brought back Who, or the fact that the guy is writting for kids more so then us. Not a great exuse, but hell, the guy has to make Who appeal to a whole new market, and make it popular. And he's proven he can write an episode well (Midnight, although would have worked better as a 20 minute episode, was a good example of this). So before bashing him, remember that. And I loved BSG, but it had so many fucking terrible fillers, and the worst, most anticlimatic episode of all series finals.
I just can't understand the hate. by UnicornsExist	Jul 7th, 2009 08:08:49 AM
I should know it, but you guys are far to hard to please.
I utterly agree by Specktron	Jul 7th, 2009 08:36:29 AM
There's no way this was as bad as you lot are making out. The Gwen bit ("Jack., look!") was awful though. And The Dark Shite, calm down on the misogyny. Four in one post seems a bit much. ChoclateWoman - don't accidentally label an entire nation of dudes with your small worldview - makes you sound like a prick(ette). Peace.
TITBAG, by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 08:37:16 AM
I hope that's true. An eternity of you would be worse than losing my knob in a freak Dyson accident & coming back as a ghost with the nozzle still attached.
Sorry specktron, Sir. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 08:44:31 AM
Won't do it again Boss. Seriously, check out some of her posts. She says far worse things than I did... Specifically the one mentioning "wierd women issues", "inbred wierdos", "ugly Queens", "Retardation" etc. NOTHING accidental in what she said. The woman's a fucknut. Plain & simple. Mysogyny is hating women. I love women. Just 'cause I wouldn't touch choclatefuckup with somebody else's equipment, it doesn't equal mysogyny.
Mysogeny is... by V'Shael	Jul 7th, 2009 09:46:28 AM
where a man hates women almost as much as women hate other women.
Talkbackers opinions seem mostly positive... by V'Shael	Jul 7th, 2009 09:52:24 AM
I think most of the comments here have been positive, even from people like myself who generally don't like what RTD writes. Personally, I don't care if he hamfists bisexuality and gayness into every scene. I just don't care. Some people clearly do, but if that's the only reason they dislike RTD's writing, well, one could argue their homophobia is blinding them. But the fact is, RTD usually has plenty of stuff in his scripts which can annoy any SF viewer with more than 9 years of life experience on this planet. Anyway, aside from the obligatory "RTD gay agenda" complaints, I think the response from the talkbackers who've seen it has been pretty much positive.
Great stuff, now lets get back to Jack by Specktron	Jul 7th, 2009 10:05:44 AM
Mad talkbackers aside, this one's a doozy. Hopefully we can keep this talkback going over the week as we hit the highs and lows of Torchwood either being shit, predictable, or fandabeedozee.
@Mr. Zeddemore by V'Shael	Jul 7th, 2009 11:29:35 AM
No confusion sir, I understood your point.
Mr.Zeddemore by offscauta	Jul 7th, 2009 11:44:09 AM
Which do you think was the worst Torchwood? I remember really hating Countrycide and the one with Gwen's wedding.
Titbag - turn off caps lock, you retard! by irishraidersfan	Jul 7th, 2009 11:57:13 AM
Whether your points are valid or not, you're coming across as a total fuckwit.
Oh, and it's Joss Whedon. by irishraidersfan	Jul 7th, 2009 11:58:03 AM
EOM
ChoclateWoman by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 12:03:55 PM
In your post above on British males, in your last sentence you mistakenly wrote in Princess Diana instead of Michael Jackson. Now your sentence makes perfect sense. Oh, and you sound more like a COCOA DOUCHEBAG! That is all!
TITBAG is unable to master the Shift key by SpyGuy	Jul 7th, 2009 01:56:50 PM
But let's be fair, he probably has to keep the Caps Lock on with one hand devoted solely to jerking off to gay porn.
Titbag makes me ashamed to have a caps lock by UnicornsExist	Jul 7th, 2009 02:26:26 PM
Whether or not the points you make are valid or not, you have to be the most annoying poster i've seen on this site. Caps lock isn't big and clever. We can still hear you.
Man, Gay people are really angry. by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 02:27:24 PM

Also, Dr. Who has been shit for many years by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 02:39:27 PM
A plank of wood could emote more than most Dr. Who actors
John Woo!! by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:12:21 PM
Nice diving double pistol action there from the welsh wonder
Gwen, obviously by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:14:31 PM
forgot to mention that
Plank of wood by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:16:06 PM
Gwen's first task should be to find Ianto and use him as a shield. Surely he is dense enough to stop bullets?
Totally agree with spud mcspud by football	Jul 7th, 2009 03:17:56 PM
This show should be called Pinkwood.
Accents by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:23:55 PM
Is just me or does a thick welsh accent make every one sound like they are overracting ie Ianto's family/
? by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:25:21 PM
is this thing ever going to let anyone edit a post?
Mr Zeddmore by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:27:06 PM
yeah, all the bits in one bag. suppose it saves on the cgi costs. Government cutbacks and all
Char grilled Jack by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:30:51 PM
I prefer mine medium rare.
Mr Zeddemore by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:32:19 PM
you and i the only ones watching this? or is everyone else too polite to spoil it?
Mr Zeddemore by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:35:17 PM
Probably drying their tears from that 3 hour promotional exercise, i mean memorial service
by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:36:40 PM
thats just finished showing on every other channel in the multiverse.
Lois by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:45:04 PM
this girl is atemp on her second day and now she's panning ambushes? Credibility like knicker elastic
aagghh by GreenFlashlight	Jul 7th, 2009 03:46:21 PM
i can spell usually. honest
Nobody cares. Let's talk more about Sarah Palin. by FlandersBum	Jul 7th, 2009 04:09:42 PM
It's the trendy thing to do. Seriously, nobody in the US cares about Torchwood. The average Joe on the street has never heard of it. 99% of the average viewers have never heard of it. Move on.
Let's talk about MJ!!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 04:12:38 PM
CNN is rehashing the same shit over and over again.
Better than yesterday. by offscauta	Jul 7th, 2009 04:13:05 PM
Still achingly stupid at times. (Eg. Was the sniper at the beginning chosen for his ability to miss a man running in a straight line away from him at a distance of about 100 metres?)But as Mr. Zeddemore pointed out, at least it had some fun to it. Although perimeter security at that army base is worse than at the school where I work.
I'll watch ep2 tomorrow. I was watching Bruno tonight. by V'Shael	Jul 7th, 2009 04:23:52 PM
So while it's slightly off topic, I'll just say Bruno is short, disjointed, playing more like a series of sketches. (And yeah, the Michael Jackson / La Toya jackson bit is removed.) But there are moments of stomach aching hilarity which make it worth watching.
Bruno? Shit, I'd rather have root canal work done by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 04:36:41 PM
than watch that shit.
Yep loads of fun by palimpsest	Jul 7th, 2009 04:55:44 PM
World's worst sniper (though the laser sight on Gwen's eye was a cool image); the aliens have obviously read / seen CONTACT; Gwen does a bit of John Woo - stylee diving with handguns; reasonable practical make-up FX; Ianto kicks some arse (you almost think they're working up to a "kicking the back door in" joke); some very neat lines indeed ("If she's anti-terrorist, I wouldn't mind being Uncle Terrorist"), a sense of fun throughout, and some naked male bums. Basically they're taking the piss and having fun with guns and aliens and conspiracies on the telly. Good on 'em.
Loving what I'm liking and more - er.... by carefulsilly	Jul 7th, 2009 05:20:41 PM
Thoroughly enjoying the new mini series, that whacking great hole in the middle of Cardiff was very convincing - the exploding truck (that we never saw explode) maybe less so. Loving that Gwen (by far the grooviest and best of the bunch) is getting the lions share of the action. It's all gearing up toward an excellent series with lots of action and fun and character development and... Lordy what more could you ask for? I have a feeling the very nice black woman from the ministry is being set up as a new Torchwood member. So she'll die heroically on Day Five.
That was a big pile of silly fun!! by Gabba-UK	Jul 7th, 2009 05:40:09 PM
RTD didn't write this one and you could tell. Some people are taking this far too seriously. It's a piece of escapist sci-fi hokum over a week of some, frankly, piss poor TV scheduling. And I'm not gonna apologise for this but I am nursing a semi every time Gwen pulls her bristols... I mean pistols!!
Worst sniper since I played Halo by Brody77	Jul 7th, 2009 05:53:37 PM
Thank god, I was worried it would get bumped for the MJ self promotion excercise by "Rev" Al Sharpton & those other wankers. Enjoyed Torchwood, despite Jack being in 1 piece after being encased in concrete & dropped down a quarry. But still, any excuse for Jack to show his arse (and almost front bum) - that guy is such a tart. Yet after 3 series STILL NO GWEN NAKEDNESS!!!! WTF???!!! Torchwood is full of gay shit & nude blokes, and not a single nude woman in the whole run. Bastards. Loving this story though, it's a lot of fun!
Ep 2... by SilentSentient	Jul 7th, 2009 06:44:16 PM
Actually quite good.. think I'll stick with it.. and as Lloytron says better then most shite on british tv. ...and Gwen makes me feel funny down under.
That stuff with Martha jones by emeraldboy	Jul 7th, 2009 07:32:27 PM
joining Torchwood was bollcks after all then.
Nah, I jujst think you're a pig of a woman. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 08:29:09 PM
Repulsive in every way. I refer you to your statement earlier where you said "suck my clit", to some guy. YOU weren't talking about TV shithead. YOU. I was. & I'm not Homophobic either (if you read my posts). You started it, you filthy mouthed whore. Seems you can be racist, xenophobic & offensive, but can't handle it when people respond in kind.
Freema Agyeman and Torchwood by Rhuragh	Jul 7th, 2009 08:31:46 PM
Agyeman had intended to join Torchwood and plans were in the works for her to do so. Unfortunately for us, she was hired onto the new Law and Order: UK series which precluded her from joining Torchwood permanently. Sadly, not only is she wasting her talents on a dull procedural, Jamie Bamber from BSG joined her as well. It really depresses me that great actors who have been a part of incredible shows (like BSG, Deadwood, and Rome) have to take their acting cred from those shows and parlay that into a role on a piece of shit procedural like Law & Order or CSI--where their talents will be completely wasted--just so they can actually make some money.
You're just one of the no marks by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 08:33:28 PM
who get on here lately. You say let the real people talk about TV, that's what I was doing. Unfortunately, this site has gained a few people who get exicted by being offensive to others for no reason. Not mentioning the subject at hand, not mentioning the TV show or movie being discussed, but being offensive to any poster above for no reason, then scuryying behind tbheir PC & feeling really esxcited that they did a naughty thing. That's you. So don't pretend that you were talking about the show & being mature, (in the hope that people won't look up & see your insane hate filled drivel that you posted), because the proof is there. You're a pig. Now fuck off back to the docks you foul mouthed harpie.
I LOVE LESBIANS!!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 7th, 2009 08:39:46 PM
WHOOOO!
I love Lesbians too. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 08:40:31 PM
They're big & strong like my dad.
I am actually..very. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 08:46:30 PM
No I don't hate all women, I jujst don't like your xenophibic comments & I also don't appreciate you trying to turn it around, as if you were bieng normal & talking about TV, while I was somehow being sexit & homophobic. The reality is still there for all to see. You were horrible. "Hateful words for all womankind"???? There's only one thing worse than a xenophobic hate filled woman & that's a xenophobic hate filled woman, who doesn't have the courage of her convictions. You can't hide what you said. It's there. Are you insane? As for "racist", YOU were the racist one. My name isn't racist. It's a pun. A play on words of the Darlk Knight. I wonder why you'd think it's racist? Hmmm. Do you equate black people with faeces? Otherwise, I don't see the correlation.
For all those.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 08:49:26 PM
who read her words, accusing me of racism/sexism etc, you can just look up. Not thqat it's important of course. It isn't really worth your time. But she's full of shit. She started it with her vulgar xenophobia & offensive remarks. Now that I've commented on it, she's hiding behind her gender. & making unfounded accusations, which personally I find offensive.
Ok, that's it. I'm gonna hand you your arse now.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:02:28 PM
You've gone too far. Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar. Before I'd spoken to you: by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:40 PM "There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually." I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty. Later.... by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009 01:27:59 AM "Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed." What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart?? To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name... "With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead." THAT is your sole contribution to the TB. So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities. You're a frucking liar.
I don't much constructive TV discussion there.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:06:35 PM
just the crazy rants of a fopul mouthed, xenophobe. The only worse thing is that you thought you could wait & post later, as if you're the one being mature & talking about TV & then accuse ME of the things you did. Well, I'm too smart to let you do that. Everyone can see the truth. Now as I said, get back to the docks you foul mouthed harpie. The sailors is a' waitin.
Now that's cleared up.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:14:15 PM
& her bullshit posts trying to paint me as the things she is won't work... Did anyone see the remarks from John Barrowman saying he feels the show has been "punished" by being changed into a week long show instead of a series? I'm in Japan, so I haven't seen it yet, but I can only imagine moving to BBC1 & having a concentrated run would actually improve the quality.
You've already fucked up.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:18:53 PM
Leave it alone. Now you just look like calling me sexist/racist etc is just your way of trying to offend me (which it probably is).. BECAUSE I've posted your comments. You've been shown for what you are. I'm talking abiout the actual show, you know, the subject we're supposed to talking about?? Now fuck off you skanky mouthed bitch.
I'm NOT interested in anything you have to say.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:20:45 PM
& your comments & accusations can be seen as bullshit by anyone who wanted to read the TB. You're the sexist, you're the racist. Your comments are there to see. You can't bait me into haveing a feud with you. Not gonna happen.
My final response..chocobigot.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:38:59 PM
You know, the worst part is that you're such a coward that you can't even stand by your convictions. You have no integrity as a human being. You've also got a potty mouth, which is very unattractive in such an un-educated woman. You had to go & pretend like I was being sexist etc further up, when really you were the one being sexist AND xenophobic. I don't know why you care so much that people who hadn't read the whole TB would get that impression. But for some reason you wanted to paint me in that way & I caught you out. You also insinuated that I was a racist because my name is The Dark Shite. That shows you as the racist. My name is simply a pun on British slang & a movie title. I wouldn't mind your brainded spamming if you stuck to your guns. I might even enjoy beating you in a verbal spat, but you're a coward hiding behind bullshit PC allegations of things I never even said. I was talking TV. You used the TB to bve bigoted & repulsive. You've shown yourself. From now, if you talk to me, I'll just keep reposting your TB comments, thus depriving you of the one thing you want, which is to pretend you were being mature & I was the one saying the stuff you said. Like so:-).. You've gone too far. Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar. Before I'd spoken to you: by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:40 PM "There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually." I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty. Later.... by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009 01:27:59 AM "Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed." What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart?? To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name... "With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead." THAT is your sole contribution to the TB. So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities. You're a fucking liar.
Bullshit.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:50:50 PM
You were bigoted, foul mouthed, xenophopic & sexist, then tried to turn it around, using your credentials as a woman to insinuate that I was the bad one. "Oh pweese help me, the nasty man is picking on me" Bullshit. It's the other way around. You're a nasty bitch & if anything the only one demeaning women is you by using your gender to curry favour. As I said, the more lies you tell, the more I'll just repost your comments & point out that those comments were the ONLY contribution you've made to this TB. Like so:-).. You've gone too far. Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar. Before I'd spoken to you: by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:40 PM "There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually." I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty. Later.... by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009 01:27:59 AM "Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed." What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart?? To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name... "With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead." THAT is your sole contribution to the TB. So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities. You're a fucking liar. Ps, you obviously don't know shit about Britain. & fatso? I'm a sculptured work of art compared to you thighmaster.
I can re-post your hate filled bigoted shit.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 09:51:50 PM
all day long. I don't give a fuck.
Quit shitting in the talkback. by Rhuragh	Jul 7th, 2009 10:00:05 PM
Jesus. Shut the fuck up.
DarkShite by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:04:40 PM
Whats up with that COCOA DOUCHEBAG? Is he/she/it for real?
First of all Rhurgh.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:04:47 PM
If you can get that lunatic to go away so I can talk about Torchwood, by all means do it. Choclatefuckhead... If you think you're bothering me, you're mistaken. I'm just watching you dig yourself deeper & deeper into a hole. It's fun to me. Also pretty easy to win, as I just have to copy & paste. You can't win, because you're fucking lying & everytime I re-post your evil words, it shows how insane you are. Only a loonie writes like that.p> As I said, everytime you call me a racist/sexist etc, despite having no proof (as I never said anything of the sort at all) & despite the evidence that you're that..I'll just re-post your comments. Like so:-).. You've gone too far. Your posts in one handy place for all to see, just WHO is the sexist/racist one. Liar. Before I'd spoken to you: by ChoclateWoman Jul 6th, 2009 10:28:40 PM "There is such a lack of quality TV in the UK that shit like Torchwood and Merlin gets eaten up by the inbred populace over there. Fuckers still love and adore their queen and the concept of "royalty". Might explain a bit actually." I decided to not take offence at your xenophobic remarks, but pointed out that I'm British & don't like royalty. Later.... by ChoclateWoman Jul 7th, 2009 01:27:59 AM "Most british males I've met have wierd women issues and are thoroughly impotent in bed. Not to mention really goddamn ugly. I blame this indirectly on the whole national identity of these inbred wierdos being so tightly linked a series of ugly Queens and their hideous royal family of cousin lovers. Retardation must be high in the populace as well. The over the top national reaction to that waste of space called Princess Dianna's death just proves this. Case closed." What happened? Did a bwittish man bweak your ickle heart?? To another person, who pointed out that you missed an O in your name... "With original names like yours, somebodies gotta do something a little out of the normal. Dropping letters is the new it thang, yo. Now suck my clit, you fat dickless fuckhead." THAT is your sole contribution to the TB. So don't try to turn it around & hide behind your gender like you're some sweet girl & I'm somehow offending your ladylike sensibilities. You're a fucking liar.
DrMorbius by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:05:43 PM
I don't even think "She's" a woman.
& I love "her" bullshit accusations.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:09:29 PM
Like "10+ posts filled with hate for women and minorites".... Yeah? Really? I'm pretty sure nobody can see them. Because they don't fucking exist. The only minority I don't like is "her". She's a minority because if she is a woman, she's one of the very few I wouldn't shag.
I posted above in response...... by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:12:44 PM
to he/she/its post regarding British males, guess she didn't see it, or she just has a hard-on for you!
Seems so. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:16:43 PM
"It" isn't really worth botheirng with. It's Obviously insane.
Have you seen the new Torhcwood Dr Morbius? by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:18:52 PM
I mentioned earlier (before the loony hijacked me), that John Barrowman seems to think doing a 5 show-a-week run is "punishment" for the show. I would have thought it would improve the quality.
Maybe he/she/it is TITBAGS "girlfriend"! by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:19:08 PM
What about it TITBAG?
It may well be.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:21:03 PM
In fact I do recognise the phrasing a bit. There is someone on here who keeps making several identities.
Sorry DarkShite by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:24:12 PM
I haven't seen Torchwood since Season 1. They moved it to the BBC America Channel and I don't get it. If they are online I might give it a chance, but usually only get a few eps of any series, not the whole season. Are they stand alone eps, or needed to be viewed in order?
I think for the most part.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:26:26 PM
They're stand alone eps, with little references to stuff that happened before. I can't see it here at all.
Damn you edit button.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:27:12 PM
I was gonna say I can't see it here at all. BUT I do know of some websites that I probably can't name:-).
I was so sad when FREEMA..... by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:29:57 PM
left Doctor WHO. I really liked her, thought she was hot as hell. Someone mentioned she's on Law and Order UK. Don't get that here, DAMN! What's your take on her?
Look fuck off ok? by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:33:56 PM
I'm not interested. & you weren't discussing the show & the reasons as to why you think it's terrible. You were being a xenophobic prick.
DrMorbius by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:35:03 PM
Yeah, Freema's great! That's one of the reasons I don't get the Catherine Tate love. She's ok, but how can you go from Freema to her?
^^^EXACTLY^^^ by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:41:28 PM
What is the purpose of this EDIT BUTTON everyone keeps talking about?
Well, an edit button.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:43:33 PM
would just give you a chance to fix any mistakes you made if you wrote the wrong thing, or didn't write the full sentence. Sometimes I accidentally post when I haven't written everything.
AFTER you posted..... by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:49:10 PM
you could go back and change things? On a different note. Someone posted a link, for a DOCTOR WHO Panel at Comic Con, plus Cameron will be there with "something" from AVATAR, EXCITED about that!
As for the fuckwit above.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:50:54 PM
No. You're the one who keeps harrasing me! You keep referring to me by name & trying to offend me with lies about things I never said, when I'm busy talking about the show. Now you're pretending you were making valid points about the show. That's bullshit. You were just being xenophobic. You probably haven't even seen Torchwood. As for "continuing" to discuss TV & movies, you didn't even start. You just spammed & flamed.Now fuck off & don't talk to me again you bigot.
I actually know nothing about AVATAR by DrMorbius	Jul 7th, 2009 10:52:35 PM
Is that a good or bad thing? Should I read up on it or just see it without any preconceptions?
DrMorbius by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:52:59 PM
Not after, just a quick preview thing. Sometimes you have to write fast here to keep up, so there isn't always time to check spelling etc. Who am I kidding? It's just laziness:-). Comic con sounds like it would be great! Never been. I wish they did that kind of thing here.
I think it's better to not know.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 10:55:07 PM
I still don't understand how so many people got excited about it without knoing anything though. As it turns out, they might be justified in the end, but for the wrong reasons. It seems some people were saying it would be great just because it's Cameron. He's made some good movies but also some shit.
JC (John Carpenter) by Darkocity	Jul 7th, 2009 11:02:46 PM
Was gonna just leave a small post on how i actually thought someone between Russel T Davies and his writing team finally pulled their fingers out their arse for a change (no pun intended); but this bitch fest is ridiculous. DARK SHITE: Shes winding you up mate(if im correct and shes for real); and your falling for it! She provoking you, to try and make some bullshit point that clearly only exists in her head. She probably did have some british fella break her heart heart or it was pitch black and bitch-witted long before in any case; but who gives a fuck? Shes an idiot taking desperate bitchy potshots to try and stab your soul; because thats what desperate bitchy idiots with inner scars and no soul like to do (who in this case happens to be female and straight); Throwing her mean spirited self loathing bitch-wits about her is clearly where the desperate potshots about being tiny dicked, impotent and fat comes from (let alone Johnny E loves his Queeny), and is designed to be so relentless and ridiculing to the point they throw their shit at you and say look! look at the monkey with his shit! and everyone turns around and lo and behold,,, its her inadequacies (fat, small dicked, crap in bed), not yours, dont descend to her level. Just ignore that crap and it will go away. Why do people insist on dragging down fourums like this with evil bitchy smearing bullshit? I use the word bitch meaning bitch; as in not a lady or woman or female but a bonafide bitch CHOCOLATEWOMAN Please change your name to Cavewoman, if you post crap like that about Queen and Country. It would make alot more sense for anyone - no matter what nationality - who has a brain and whos conception of royalty and class and national issues does not belong in THE FUCKING CAVEMAN ERA. And by 'friends' i can only take that seriously as you + your many assortment of chocolate bars that DO love you back (that a bullshit stereotype of a female? Sorry your bitch-idiocy cathes like wildfire and spreads like Cancer if ur not careful) + that one person who honestly would hang out with you if they had an internet connection or anyone else found them throwing around 'retard' insults online to peoples faces or dicks the've never met hilarious. Now THATS a prime example of compensating someone could show their pals You madam, are a shit stirrer; and thats your only interest here.
Dark Shite is either an idiot or Choclate's alter ego by FrodoFraggins	Jul 7th, 2009 11:23:25 PM
As the person claiming to be choclate "woman" is obviously a dude that's trolling.
Fuck you Frodo. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 11:32:53 PM
Not really, just always wanted to say that:-). I'm neither. But thanks for limiting the options. I know it's someone trolling. But you try being accused of racism etc, see if you can resist the temptation to defend yourself, even if you know the wanker's a troll. There's always the worry that people might believe her/him/it. I've already said I'm done with the bitch (IF she IS in fact a she), so let's drop it.
Shit. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 11:34:03 PM
The fucking whore.
Pretending to be me doesn't work though.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 7th, 2009 11:38:55 PM
Because I won't spend the next 20 posts arguing with "myself". I'm done with your skanky arse.
CW You can play 'woman hating virgin' by Darkocity	Jul 7th, 2009 11:55:52 PM
and make suggestions of homosexual tagteams if you like; and please feel free to carry on. In no way does that come across as a desperate pot shot clutching for straws. All i take from your rants i've expressed above already; it all comes back to your half/bitch witting to me and the angry undermining need to prove some bullshit point. People are spewing sexist bile? Boo-fucking-hoo goes your thinking in relation; do something to show up or disregard and ignore the losers; don't give them a giddy-up! The moment you start thinking and talking angry self loathing shit like that you make yourself no better than all the people and behaviour you complain about. WHV, and sad sad litle men? Yep, your name is 'Cavewoman' to me. Feel free to carry on; this 'virgin' cant deny he might find your ignorant cavewoman strops of defiance quite the misogynist turn on.
Darkocity, you're wasting your time. by The Dark Shite	Jul 8th, 2009 12:41:07 AM
I realised that. "She" isn't complaining about sexism etc. "She"'s pretending to complain about it, trying to draw attention away from the fact that "she" did those things. "She" thought "she" could do that further down the TB, after "her" bigoted rants & make out like I was the one who did it (not realising that "her" posts were still there. Maybe "she" didn't expect me to come back & read the TB again the next day. Now "she"'s turned her attention on you too. Look at "her" post above, where "she" has me supposedly referring to what "she" calls "Ngrs". I've made no such comment. Not anywhere in this TB. It came from "her" warped, filthy excuse for a brain. I say ignore the dumb cunt. That's what I'm gonna do.
Time wasted by Darkocity	Jul 8th, 2009 01:03:28 AM
before getting up doing work is still sweet sweet time not working DS, but i hear ya. My interest here is in not seeing topic threads descend into bullshit bitching, cock-wit, lets underminine-and-kick-ppl-in-th e teeth-in-the-most-ignorant-off ensive-discriminitory-childish -no-one-can-touch-me-behind-my keyboard-cos-we-wouldn't-do-it face-to-face-in-reality post. I mean, if you are going to attack someone for being 'retarded' at least call them mentally disabled or something. thats about the very least you could do; (not singling out Cavewoman in anyway, lots of Cavemen as well)
I know what kind of liquid gold showers you like. by The Dark Shite	Jul 8th, 2009 02:35:25 AM
You filthy bitch:-).
& pretend to be me, if you're so lonely.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 8th, 2009 02:41:24 AM
& attention starved. But 1) I've been on this site for ages, so it's not like people are gonna suddenly think you're me. 2) if you were me, you wouldn't refer to yourself as DS. There's a T in my name. It's THE Dark Shite. Got it? Now get back in the kitchen & cook my supper.
Geez, can't you two just admit, you're in LOVE with each other? by V'Shael	Jul 8th, 2009 03:18:00 AM
For fecks sake guys, if you're going to continue this playground sniping in front of a small bored disinterested audience, like the latter seasons of Moonlighting, can't you at least try to make the snipes a little more entertaining? Now returning to the regular thread already in progress... Ep 2 was not a let down after Ep 1s frantic pace and set up. But it did have a couple of outstanding flaws. Like how they put Jack out of commission. Any fool would have put the pieces in seperate small metal boxes, and sent them to the 4 corners of the earth. Not put them in a body bag, SEAL it, then put on a camera on the closed bag. Stuff like that is fine for dramatic effect, but it's pretty dumb. I also got the impression (can't say for certain) that the story line was not worked out entirely before hand. It felt like each writer was handed the baton of the previous episode, but then pretty much told to run with it. Maybe that's just me. I'd be interested to know what anyone else thought.
HARRY - BRING THE PAIN! BANHAMMER DOWN ON CHOCLATEOMAN!!! by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 06:39:19 AM
Bring that skanky, no-class bitchfest to heel. Ban her fucking barely literate ass for not posting one single word on what we're all meant to be discussing. Fucking attention-seeking twat. Obviously in need of some dicking...
Yeah, TORCHWOOD can be dumb... by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 06:43:39 AM
But this is hands down the best TORCHWOOD yet. Yeah, I had problems with the issues-driven plotless scenes in Ep 1 (and for those about to flame me with the HOMOPHOBE name again, I think a little less on Gwen and Rhys house-hunting wouldn't have gone amiss, though at least they advanced the plot in THAT scene) but Ep2 ironed that shit out and gave us what I always wanted TORCHWOOD to be - a grown-up, dark, thriller of a show. Dealing with the regenerated Jack - THAT was some of the darkest stuff I've seen in British SF since the halcyon days of Nigel Kneale. Ianto ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING!!! I'm still reeling from that. (Oh, and if Jack continues spurning Ianto after what Ianto did to rescue him - then fuck him, Ianto, there's better out there for you.) Ep2 was firing on all cylinders. 100% better than Ep1. Let's hope it's this great all week!!!
V'Shael by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 06:45:28 AM
Yeah, not sending Jack's pieces to the four corners of the Earth is pretty dumb. But this is TORCHWOOD, and I can't believe you've made it to season 3 and STILL expect it all to be sensible! But yeah, I agree - shit like that should be thought through much more clearly, fun though it was. And ditto to th4e TBer who mentioned about poor perimeter security - you're not kidding! It's harder to get into a fucking car park in the East Midlands than it is to get into that army base ;D
THE DARK SHITE by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 06:47:45 AM
You're a class act. Leave that attention-seeking harpy to her/his/It's own devices. Most of us would rather discuss things in an intelligent and literate fashion with TBers like your good self than spend precious time feeding trolls like that... Talking of which, Smashing's here - where's Tegujai Batir, my TB stalker? Dammit!!!
HEY! TITBAG!!! by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 07:10:24 AM
SPUD MCCOCK by TITBAG Jul 7th, 2009 - 11:08:05 AM I'VE REGISTERED AT AICN PURELY TO INFORM YOU THAT YOU ARE A CUNT. fucking hell, titbag. You care THAT MUCH about what I have to say. Wow. Just... WOW. First Tegujai Batir, now you. I'm really racking up the dumb-ass TB stalkers here, aren't I? At least Smashing can articulate - intelligently, and at length - why HE think's I'm a cunt, and usually we manage to see each other's point of view, even if we do disagree. But you... I fear rational, literate discourse will be wasted on you. Therefore... GO EAT A BAG OF DICKS, DIRTBAG!!!
@Spud Mc Spud by V'Shael	Jul 8th, 2009 07:23:35 AM
"I can't believe you've made it to season 3 and STILL expect it all to be sensible!" If it had stayed on BBC3, I might agree that such hopes were forlorn, but damnit, it's on BBC 1 now. Time to raise the bar and bring some fucking game. I wonder if Stephen Moffat could do something cool with Torchwood, or is the premise so fucked that he'd refuse to offer to write a script for it?
Cheers spud mcspud.. by The Dark Shite	Jul 8th, 2009 08:58:38 AM
Likewise.
regarding Freema by emeraldboy	Jul 8th, 2009 09:50:54 AM
that must have pissed the bbc off no end. I had heard that she was going to do Law and order UK. utterly boring that show is and it wastes the talents of its actors. though bradley walsh and the word talent. not so sure about that one? but on freema and torchwood. it buggered up the ending of season 4. Cant blame the beeb for being privately very sore. I have been watching this torchwood. Eva mysles looked stupid firing those hand guns last night. Those teasers gave me goosebumbs for the children of earth. so far very bland. In the loop was a a huge let down. before they commit actors should read the small print of thir contract. if freema had that then she might have gone to torchwood. we will never know. Off topic the Micheal jackson memorial was awful. I was once a micheal jackson fan. I even had bad on tape and it end up in a cup of tea. I profoundly disagree with those who say lets move and remember the man and his music. This should be used as a way to change hollywood forever. Rid it of its need to have its stars on priscription drugs. If the ryan report into abuse industrial schools in ireland teaches us anything its how silence was the abusers deadliest weapon. it made me sick to think that Micheal jacksons children would end up in the hands of the people who abused him. ie his mother and father
Wow, was I wrong, DARK SHITE! by Specktron	Jul 8th, 2009 11:40:44 AM
I came over all Headmaster-y yesterday and told you to tone it down. But ChoclateWoman is a total mentalist. What a fucking freakazoid. If this was happening in real life, she'd be sectioned by now and goofing off on happy pills. How many cats do you think she's got?
Kudos TITBAG by Specktron	Jul 8th, 2009 11:55:02 AM
You're a little live wire, aren't you? I bet your boyfriend's well content.
Kudos TITBAG by Specktron	Jul 8th, 2009 11:59:36 AM
You're a little live wire, aren't you? I bet your boyfriend's well content.
Specktron by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 01:07:06 PM
Don't worry - when Titbag's Mom finshes up crushing his ritalin to go in his Cheerios, maybe the twat will calm down. Oh, and here's hoping he makes good on that whole "taking a rusty shovel to my head" thing that he promised...
V'Shael = Moff on TORCHWOOD by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 01:11:27 PM
That would be very welcome - The Moff brings a welcome mind-fuck to most of hs plots - and he'd tone down all the interpersonal bollocks to deliver some proper thriller type stories. Anyone else remember class acts like THE X FILES, that REALLY did avoid going into its characters' personal lives, going downhill as soon as they started getting into the agents' private lives? And as for that mid-credits shot in XF2: I WANT TO BELIEVE... FUCK RIGHT OFF. The worst thing they EVER did was to get Mulder and Scully together. What are we, fucking Mills & Boon fans? FUCK OFF! When TORCHWOOD just deals with the plot, it can be great. See DAY 2 - fucking classic compared to the heavy-handed PC preachiness of DAY 1. Can't wait to see what else John Fay has in store for this series. Shitcan RTD, throw Julie Gardner off with him, and give John Fay this show to run. See the quality soar!
Mr. Zeddemore by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 04:07:06 PM
Hmm. Smacks of keeping the budget to a minimum. Enjoyed the pillar of fire though. It's kind of weird actually enjoying TORCHWOOD - though you can tell this was co-written by RTD. Yet another heavy-handed "calling gay people queer is WROOOOONG" lesson crowbarred in there by Russ the T - luckily the rest of the episode wisely concentrated on ratcheting up the tension. There's some fantastic atmosphere being developed here, with overtones of THE OMEGA FACTOR, DOOMWATCH and QUATERMASS - thoroughly enjoying it! Every RTD line, though, adds mightily to the argument for throwing his issues-driven writing and his fucking overbearing social engineering type dialogue out, in favour or writers who actually think the story should come FIRST. He's like a fucking furious right-on sixth former preaching at a Gay Rights march, for God's sake. We get it. You're gay. It's okay. MOVE THE FUCK ON.
Well... by offscauta	Jul 8th, 2009 04:08:42 PM
There wasn't anything too bad in this one, apart from the scenes of them nicking laptops and credit cards which seem to have been ripped from "The Real Hustle" of all places. Oh, and using the incredibly tired television news for exposition device after managing to restrain themselves for two episodes. And the rubbish staging of the grabbing of Jack's daughter. On the plus side, Frobisher is great. I'm hoping it all works out ok for him.
Castiel - Jack's past by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 04:08:54 PM
Interesting how every time there's a problem with aliens that have been to Earth before, Jack's often the cause of it. His ass should be thrown out of TORCHWOOD already - he's a fucking menace!
offscauta by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 04:11:03 PM
I have the feeling things can only get worse for the hapless Frobisher. But then, he does work for the Government, in the Cabinet - so fuck him and his dodgy expenses claims for duck houses and moat cleaning! FEED HIM TO THE TENTACLED ALIEN!!!
Mr. Zeddemore by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 04:12:42 PM
Great hints at a Chtulhoid alien, though. You CANNOT have enough Cthulhoid aliens in current SF TV. Hope it's a Shoggoth...
spud mcspud by offscauta	Jul 8th, 2009 04:14:25 PM
He's not in the cabinet and he's not an MP. He's a civil servant.
spud by offscauta	Jul 8th, 2009 04:16:21 PM
Shoggoth would be good, but we all know that the 456 will be really disapointing when finally revealed. Probably a giant animal.
offscauta by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 04:24:59 PM
Really? He's just a civil servant? Do you reckon a civil servant could attain a position that close ot the PM? Or is this just lazy writing (perish the thought from such a literary genius as the man who invented "Bad Wolf" then did fuck all with the concept)? Just wondering. They're being very non-specific with the who-does-what side of the civil service in this series...
offscauta by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 04:28:30 PM
I could live with a Great Race of Yith. It would be every flavour of AWESOME to see such a batshit insane creature on a Doctor Who spin-off! But not as cool as when the Real Ghostbusters crossed the streams on a Coney Island rollercoaster and FUCKING DESTROYED GREAT CTHULHU! THAT was a great Cthulhu tie-in. TORCHWOOD better pull out all the stops if it's gonna beat animated Venkman falling off the coaster and into a bush - after vanquishing Cthulhu back the the void between the stars...
Hope it ends well for Clem though by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 04:48:09 PM
He seems a nice guy, who needs some rest after that traumatic 1965 thing. Hope he does okay. Enough with the "dark secrets of Captain Jack" shit. It peaked with ADRIFT, which is my favourite TORCHWOOD plot ever (marred with all the Jack/Ianto shagging - would you REALLY be more bothered about getting it on in office hours than you would be preventing Gwen from uncovering one of TORCHWOOD's biggest, nastiest secrets? WHAT THE FUCK EVER) and I think we prefer the "Tony Stark" Captain Jack over the "Dark Knight" Captain Jack. Sometimes, dark is less, not more. (Oh fuck. Watch that last statement get twisted into me being a racist bastard by some halfwit fucker like TITBAG or CHOCLATE(ILLITERATE)WOMAN...
Ah, TWATBAG again... by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 05:02:04 PM
You're telling ME about knowing nothing about Cthulhu? YOU didn't even fucking spell it right! And as for knowing all about the Cthulhu mythos... Well, let's just say I'm probably A LOT more familiar with it than YOU. Since it would involve reading, and if you're as illiterate a reader as you are a writer, well... As for TORCHWOOD... it's not exactly STAR TREK. There ain't a whole lot you need to know about its backstory. But then, none of this matters, since you're a reactionary cunt who just abuses anyone you find on a TB to appease your monstrous, bloated, childish self-seeking attention-craving, pathetic, cowardly ego. Fuck off, you fucking useless excuse for a talkbacker. Calling you a FUCKIN' AMATEUR is an isult to the fuckin' amateurs, you wankstain.
As edifying as this TB has become... by Gabba-UK	Jul 8th, 2009 05:30:12 PM
Not taking sides (but if I were it's obivious which side I would, the one that doesn't need sectioning). But the third episode was very good. Only problem is RTD is writing that last episode and he always fails to finish his stories as good as the build up deserves.
Gabba-UK - Absolutely! by spud mcspud	Jul 8th, 2009 05:36:14 PM
Agree 100% - RTD always has problems bringing a satisfactory ending to the tension he builds up. His plots (though usually nicked off others) are always good, it's just his soapbox issue-driven scenes and crap dialogue that need sorting out. A decent producer and another writer (to handle characters) could improve RTD's stuff no end. John Fay's DAY TWO was awesome, though. Even Ianto was badass! IANTO, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! It's weird to say I'm actually enjoying TORCHWOOD for once...
Excellent ep 3 - Frobisher's a right bastard! by palimpsest	Jul 8th, 2009 06:15:30 PM
Loving the twitchy fucker negotiating a cover-up with the 456. Liking the splattery alien goo, and the wobbly mad tramp and the contact lenses gag. All we need now is a proper resolution and maybe some wholly unnecessary lesbiandige between Gwen and the army hitwoman and things will be utterly groovy.
Shit... by Darkocity	Jul 8th, 2009 06:23:09 PM
...episode 2 really good, (shity implausable action scenes and blatent overhype as a result of being shocked as to how enjoyable Torchwood is aside); loved that freaky facsinated old fella clasping the design at the end and his delivery of dialougue prior. Pacing and tone seemed much more confident and considered (just...why do we suck at even basic gun fights on uk television production?) some good naturalistic AND theatrical acting simultaneously, such as P Capaldi and a bunch of others; what Dr Who & TW need more of in addition to less of the really tacky production design i reckon. Actually felt really sorry for Jack Harkness dying for once; thats a fucking horrible and mean spirited way to go, regardless of ressurection. That fellas freakangels link was apt; and thought this might be going all Midwich Cuckoos on Galactic Pot Healer and The Glimmung?, but despite that fantasy not being fullfilled really excited to see where Torchwood goes in its own right. Can't believ Yet based on agreement with other ppl about RTD endings; worried concluding ep will fuck it all up. Go RTD! Make that UK TV licence payers fee this year that bit less of a bitter pill to swallow!
Mmmmmmmm by GINGE_MUPPET	Jul 8th, 2009 07:06:23 PM
Must be more to it than this .....
Best of the first 3 by FrodoFraggins	Jul 8th, 2009 08:27:19 PM
This episode was pretty solid, but I'm pretty confident the quality will go down from here. RTD understands how to build suspense, but once it's time for the payoff he goes to shit.
I've changed my mind... by BiggusDickus	Jul 9th, 2009 12:16:49 AM
Despite what I said after episode one, I decided to stick with watching this. Partly because I'd invested enough in the story to want to see where it went and partly because that Welsh bird has got a great arse. Result? Last night's episode was a belter! There was the 'Quatermass' vibe I was looking for (though admittedly it was the John Mills version).I'm now officially hooked, though if it ends up with Captain Jack Gayness snogging Ianto, I'll probably vom. Nevermind - roll on tonight and Episode 4!
This miniseries, so far... by Imagikafan	Jul 9th, 2009 01:16:35 AM
is the best Torchwood has ever been. I'm really looking forward to the last two episodes.
As a very casual Torchwood watcher... by berksbear	Jul 9th, 2009 01:42:14 AM
...I have to say that I am riveted to this 5-nightly series - loving all the twists. My only concern echoes what has been said on here about RTD's climaxes (stop sniggering at the back) - please don't let him go for the ol' RESET button at the end!!!!
Most obvious deus ex machina ending... by offscauta	Jul 9th, 2009 02:55:47 AM
...would be for the Tardis to materialise at the end. The Doctor steps out, chucks a bucket of stuff over the 456 which immediately vanishes, Doctor winks at the camera, back in the Tardis, credits roll.
Ep3 : Pretty good but only if you don't stop to think by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 03:14:20 AM
about it. I mean, it's filled with plot holes, but it rocks along at a fair old pace so you don't really notice. The fictional British PM stood up to the American at the table, with far more backbone than we'd ever see in real life. But then, as a nice counter to that, the alien says Britain was chosen because it's insignificant. That was funny. Also, a little mistake I wonder if anyone else caught. They said the kids in china were pointing at the heavens. Shouldn't they have been pointing at the ground?
I'm glad that the Gwen love is beginning to flourish. by Gabba-UK	Jul 9th, 2009 03:51:56 AM
Means I don't have to feel bad about wanting to fuck Eve Myles ragged!!
So that gappy toothed look doesn't put you off? by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 04:44:44 AM
I'm sure she's a lovely lass and all, but every time she opens her gob, my eyes are drawn to that gap. If you go to Google images, and search for Eve Myles (as I just did) you'll see that in the majority of pics, she keeps her lips together. Maybe she's sensitive about that gap...
Ah, the AICN Talkbacks... by Dr Strangeface	Jul 9th, 2009 04:59:32 AM
What would we do without them? The Dark Shite, I feel for you. ChoclateWoman, looks like you had a good time. But listen, in all sincerity, you really are insane. However, I'm looking forward to your reply - hopefully a further illustration of the typical form of psychosis you presently enjoy that will provide a good example to some of my psychology students. Remember kids, "when in denial, bring out the bile!"
I saw ep 3 by emeraldboy	Jul 9th, 2009 05:21:16 AM
I did get the feeling the alien was giger-esq. I thought that stuff with the alien was really menacing.
There was always a dark side to captain by emeraldboy	Jul 9th, 2009 05:27:39 AM
jack. This is what it was. he was a pawn to alien races.
V'Shael... by berksbear	Jul 9th, 2009 05:41:15 AM
...I can't imagine why Eve Myles would be so sensitive about her teeth gap with people like you around? There a pic of you anywhere where we can bathe in YOUR gorgeousness?
Gappy teeth... by BiggusDickus	Jul 9th, 2009 06:05:23 AM
Didn't harm Madonna's career, eh?
@berksbear by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 06:16:29 AM
Calm down. I didn't say she was bet-down ugly or anything like that. She's not my cup-of-tea, and yeah, the gap thing would put me off. I'm shallow that way. But since when do you have to be a model of gorgeousness to comment on someone elses features, especially when they are in the public eye?
@emeraldboy by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 06:19:18 AM
I think there'll be an immediate ret-con of that statement in ep4. I can't see them saying that Jack was a pawn to another race. Rather the "gift" was a sacrifice or something, to save the planet. Who knows. But they won't just let it stand with "They were a gift, from me to them! Happy birthday."
V'Shael.. by berksbear	Jul 9th, 2009 06:39:28 AM
...I don't need to calm down, mate - trust me, u aint significant enough to rile me xx
We know that Frobisher by emeraldboy	Jul 9th, 2009 07:09:54 AM
is expendable. but is captain jack? playing both sides is risky and that is what Captain jack has been doing. he has been playing a danger dual role being on earth while secretly siding with the aliens. someone is trying to bring him down. love the menace about frobishers children as well as the gigerish looking alien. complete rubbsih but entertain rubbish.bit like tf2.....
Has everyone watched the show from the beginning? by Mindtrip	Jul 9th, 2009 11:45:49 AM
Not this mini-series, but the first two seasons as well? This is my take on it. The "456" appears to be a tentecled beast that... appears to slaughter some of the life forms in its' cage when asked a question in the wrong way or tone. Not always, but enough that I see a pattern. I may be completely wrong but it seems that way. In the first season, the one about the fairies that had chosen a particular girl to become one of them, Jack, against the objections of the others and with tears in his eyes, let them have her. The point: They weren't strong enough to stop them, so better to let one little girl go than lose countless lives trying to resist them. To an extent, I think this is what we are seeing here. Jack was an agent in the transfer the last time not because je's an Earth agent for aliens, but because he realizes the level of destruction that would result if they refused. The fact that one kid, the now old man, got away, has deeper meaning than has been revealed. Here's a dark thought: anyone else wonder if the beast in the gas is slaughtering lifeforms it's gathered from previous hostage takings?
Okay, what's the trick to paragraphs? by Mindtrip	Jul 9th, 2009 11:47:25 AM
I thought maybe holding down shift while hitting enter would do it, but it didn't.
Paragraphs are done like HTML. Use < p > by V'Shael	Jul 9th, 2009 01:51:10 PM
but with no space between the < and p and the p and the >
Thanks V'Shael by Mindtrip	Jul 9th, 2009 02:41:16 PM
Just a few more hours until I can start looking for the next dl'd.
Just clocked Episode 4. Wow! by BiggusDickus	Jul 9th, 2009 04:08:04 PM
This is really getting better and better. Isn't it? Isn't it? Isn't it? Can't wait for the finale tomorrow night. You Yanks are gonna love this when you get it! A 'Quatermass' for the Noughties and the best Sci-Fi miniseries since the original 'V'...
...the effects are cheap as arseholes, though... by BiggusDickus	Jul 9th, 2009 04:09:50 PM
Still, can't have everything.
i was wavering a bit on this episode.. by notspock2	Jul 9th, 2009 04:23:52 PM
Then the scene with the school league tables came up.. and wow. Very impressed that they went there.
... 3 2 5 ZERO ZERO ZERO by football	Jul 9th, 2009 04:28:25 PM
Pinkwood's got a little better since the first episode, which can only be down to John Fay and not that dreadful fat poof RTD. His writing's only marginally better than Titbag's
I thought the school tables bit was a killer line. by Gabba-UK	Jul 9th, 2009 06:07:28 PM
That was as dark a British sci-fi moment as I've ever seen. Storming stuff. Just worried about how they end this. If it a typical RTD copout like 456 are allergic to peanuts or someother shite like that, I ain't going to be happy.
eep by Majereuk	Jul 9th, 2009 06:44:47 PM
The penultimate ep was about as grim as a grim thing on a particularly grim day, having just read a note in its diary saying "Note to self- be more grim." At this rate I wouldn't work for Torchwood if they paid in gold-plated hookers.
Ep 4.. by SilentSentient	Jul 9th, 2009 07:03:04 PM
...actually quite awesome I thought. Pretty dark for British tv, looking forward to the finale... although I too have my worry about what RTD might do! Hoping they keep the dark theme (looked like it in the highlights).. oh well we shall see. But definitely worth a watch...
The face of boe? by notspock2	Jul 9th, 2009 07:17:28 PM
anyone notice the similarity between the 456 and the face of boe? is it possible that by the end of tomorrow night's episode captain jack will be transformed into a vapour breathing, glass encased head?
FUCKING AWESOME STUFF!!! spoilers by spud mcspud	Jul 9th, 2009 07:38:00 PM
Just got done watching - FUCKING WOW!!! And that bland bastard gone as well! Can this mini-series get any better? Well, NO, probably not, as Russell the T gets his George Lucas writing style (great at overall story, fuck all use at ANYTHING ELSE) on the end of the best TORCHWOOD EVER. DAY ONE was okay when not showcasing Russ the T's views on homosexuality (show it as often as possible, regardless of it being part of the plot), religion (all religion is VERY BAD and only believed by VERY BAD PEOPLE) and government (apparently PAs get to stand in the highest level meetings, regardless of National Security). DAY TWO was spectacular - especially what they did to Jack! And Ianto as badass - WHO'D A THUNK IT? DAY THREE - Even more tension, and FINALLY some alien action - pitch-perfect, terrifyin visuals, more hints than reveals and a VERY "QUATERMASS" / Cthulhoid monster. And tonight DAY FOUR - hysteria, threats that envelope the whole world, a stunning reversal where TORCHWOOD turn the tables on the black ops team out to destroy them, and then - BOOM! Back in the deep shit, and the born-again badass bites the dust! How much more atmospheric, grim and downright FUCKING AWESOME can this show get?!? Gotta lower my expectations. You just KNOW there's no way RTD is going to match the quality of Days 2, 3 and 4 for his finale - every WHO finale he's ever written has been unmitigated SHITE. This will be no different, though I fervently hope I'm wrong. Still stunned. Someone got TORCHWOOD right - fire RTD, get Fay as showrunner!!!
Wow. Day 4 was fucking awesome. by Rhuragh	Jul 10th, 2009 12:33:20 AM
Please, RTD, don't shit the bed in the finale like you have in every other season of Doctor Who or Torchwood...
Another excellent episode by FrodoFraggins	Jul 10th, 2009 12:50:28 AM
I truly have no clue how he's going to handle the final episode. But I'm now hopeful that it won't be utter crap.
WOW by NoQuarter	Jul 10th, 2009 01:06:33 AM
There was more awesome packed into Day 4 than every previous episode of Torchwood combined.
Final Guess by WASPFAN	Jul 10th, 2009 01:24:17 AM
The old man that died has to hold the key - why did they not take him in 65 -- he has some DNA defect or some auto immune disease -- but he is dead? Anyway - other the gay action (and I am not homophobic) it is quite the pleasant mid-summer surprise and surely could not be made in USA --- it is too mind numbing crazy..
and Where is Martha --- Freema??? by WASPFAN	Jul 10th, 2009 01:25:39 AM

Of course this could be made in the US!! by Mindtrip	Jul 10th, 2009 01:49:04 AM
By FOX. And put on Friday nights. At 8:00 PM... For two eps until it was put on hiatus for not drawing in the numbers...
This just keeps getting better... by berksbear	Jul 10th, 2009 02:18:21 AM
...LOVED the discussions about how to select the 10% of kids. Cracking stuff!
I cannot believe I am saying this... by bb6634	Jul 10th, 2009 02:34:13 AM
But after Ep. 4 of CoE I think Torchwood is better than the current incarnation of Dr. Who.
Retcon... by Rhuragh	Jul 10th, 2009 06:14:25 AM
In a way, I kind of hope they do retcon CoE. I mean, in the last five episodes of Torchwood, they've killed three of five members of the team, and destroyed the Torchwood facility itself. That means the rift manipulator is gone, as is, likely, their alien artifact storage, the weevil cells, and even the morgue containing the bodies of Suzie, Toshiko, and live cargo like Jack's brother. Moreover, even if parts of the Torchwood facility survived, are they going to continue the show using graphics of the Roald Dahl Plass with a giant crater in the middle of it? So, in other words, between Exit Wounds and Children of the Earth, it certainly seems like they're doing their best to kill Torchwood off, or at least DRASTICALLY remake the series. Will they bring the series back with a low-tech Torchwood team struggling to keep up with the flood of alien flotsam and jetsam now that the rift manipulator is no longer there to regulate the rift? Or are they simply killing the series off since Moffat has had absolutely no part in it so far and wants Jack (who, while created by RTD, made his first appearance in Moffat's two-parter The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances) back in the TARDIS with Matt Smith? No matter how much whinging these boards may draw, the character is still incredibly popular, and the role made Barrowman's career. I can't imagine that either he, or the BBC are willing to let Captain Jack rest quite yet.
@Rhuragh by V'Shael	Jul 10th, 2009 07:02:42 AM
I know what you mean, and if it was JUST Russel writing the series, I'd think the reset button was a given. But consider, they killed off 2 team members in Season 2, and that was permanent. They could just be going for a retool of the show. Or maybe the Hub will be "rebuilt" in record time, or they'll move to a new location. I mean look at how quickly they set up new digs in ep3, with a montage of thieving shots. I haven't heard anything about Moffat wanting Jack back in the Tardis. If anything, the scenes in Dr. Who Confidential give the impression that Moffat doesn't like the Jack character, and was forced to include him in the script.
Jack back in the TARDIS... by Rhuragh	Jul 10th, 2009 08:12:42 AM
...is simply conjecture on my part trying to explain the wholesale slaughter on Torchwood lately. I don't watch the Confidential series, so didn't know that Moffat doesn't like Jack. I find that disappointing, given that I really like the character (and even, for the most part, the Torchwood series). I also didn't mean to imply that a potential CoE climax retcon would bring back Tosh and Owen, though I wouldn't mind that happening in some fashion, since I really liked their characters too (what they did with Tosh and Owen in 2x12 Fragments was _excellent_).
waspfan by emeraldboy	Jul 10th, 2009 08:17:44 AM
Freema agyeman was supposed to go torchwood and then ITV offered her a role in Law and order UK. She accteped but her contract stipulated that she could only work for that show and nothing else. must have pissed off the bbc highly. it does confuse the viewer over her absenece, but that is the reason why she is not there.
Watched COE last night by emeraldboy	Jul 10th, 2009 08:41:50 AM
and will watch. the conclusion tonight. I think they are trying to kill off the series. There is a bit in tonights ep with gwen in what appears to be a video recording. If you are going to go out with a plot about the end of the world. Barrowmans acting was awful. and I found the scenes in the cabinet office woodden. One other piece of inexplicability was that in the 40 year gap since 456's arrival, you would have thought that someone would have been ready if they came back. or that a plan would have been prepared.
Didn't Jack once bring Ianto back to life with a kiss? by Mindtrip	Jul 10th, 2009 11:36:32 AM
Or was it just a coincidence?
oh shit by Dradis Contact	Jul 10th, 2009 11:40:30 AM
"If we can't identify the least achieving 10% of children, then what on earth are the school league tables for?" Holy shit. I dunno - I teach high school. People don't usually speak that plainly about education, even if it is on a fictional TV show.
Episode 3 FUCKING AWESOME! by Darkocity	Jul 10th, 2009 11:51:49 AM
Someones letting a Torchwood/DR Who episdoe and arc just...breath for a change if that makes sense? Can't wait to see the next. My world view is shattered.
Fantastic miniseries by Harrow	Jul 10th, 2009 12:00:34 PM
Putting it on nightly made it into a great event, it built up suspense well despite being effectively a long film. Loving it so far, and excited for tonight, as if it were a Who episode. And thank fuck those 2 pillocks have shut up so I can finally start enjoying the talkback too!
Jacks ultimatum is stupid (Ep4) by V'Shael	Jul 10th, 2009 12:44:47 PM
The 456 have already said, give us the kids or we wipe out your species. And Jacks response is this : Leave the planet, or we broadcast the tapes to the public. Does that strike anyone else as retarded?
V'shael by emeraldboy	Jul 10th, 2009 12:58:37 PM
Pretty much. The acting was awful. Ianto's demise was the worst acting i have seen on tv in a while. It was emotion free. bollocks
Okay,. just finished episode 4. Fucking good. by V'Shael	Jul 10th, 2009 01:07:02 PM
The 5 part serial format has been done before on UK television. Most recently, I remember "Dead Set", the Zombie Big Brother thing. Nowhere near as entertaining as this. The plot still has some very very stupid holes, but it's sweeping the viewer along really nicely. I think first time viewers who have never even seen the show, would be loving this on BBC1. And to echo those above, yeah, the school league tables dialog was fucking amazing. Shocking not just at the cynicism, not just at how plausible it is, but that anyone would have the balls to show a UK government in that light.
@Emeraldboy - Agreed, acting is piss poor by V'Shael	Jul 10th, 2009 01:09:37 PM
But I've come to expect bad acting from SF. It seems to be a standard.
How Mr Zeddemore? by Harrow	Jul 10th, 2009 03:07:12 PM
Are you pissed off already?
Fickle by Harrow	Jul 10th, 2009 03:27:15 PM
is the new black.
Touchy by Harrow	Jul 10th, 2009 03:32:29 PM
is the new fickle ;)
SciFi endings by Harrow	Jul 10th, 2009 04:09:48 PM
SciFi endings rarely satisy me. Buffy and Angel did it well, but miniseries always end too quickly. It was fun stuff and I enjoyed having sth to watch every night, but Series 2' last 2 episodes were far better than any episode of this series as a single ep. Oh well, Torchwood only ever keeps me going for the real thing, can't wait for Moffat's run!
what an irony....... by laguna_loire	Jul 10th, 2009 04:18:50 PM
.......in that such a lot of people who criticize the show readily, desparate to put forth their ire, watch it without a moments hesitation. I mean, why are you wasting your time watching it when you can watch something you can enjoy? Great program throughout. I don't care for its flaws, it entertained me throughout. Fuck the haters!!
God, Castiel... by berksbear	Jul 10th, 2009 04:20:19 PM
...dont you get tired of your own voice??!! No one thinks you are insightful or intelligent or amusing. Try interacting with a person in the flesh for once in your (so-called) life.
Yaaawwwwnnnnnnnnnnn.... by berksbear	Jul 10th, 2009 04:24:08 PM
@Castiel
Whats your problem, Castiel... by berksbear	Jul 10th, 2009 04:30:42 PM
...RTD refuse to suck your cock? You have issues, my friend, serious issues. ps - couldnt think of an original forum name, eh? You's not very creative.
by newkie brown	Jul 10th, 2009 04:40:54 PM
That was good stuff. RTD gets a lot of flack for his Who/Torchwood writing, but he did a very solid job there. Minor quibbles aside (could an American general walk into the cabinet room and start threatening the Prime Minister (even a weak one) without getting his arse thrown into the Tower of London?), it was nice dark, nihilistic sci-fi of the sort that is in painfully short supply on British TV.
Wow... by berksbear	Jul 10th, 2009 04:43:51 PM
...I misunderestimated your immaturity, Casty. Trust me, no further energy will be wasted on you. Toodles x
Classic RTD by McBegbie	Jul 10th, 2009 04:50:41 PM
In the sense that the previous episodes were a great build up but, while it had it's moments, the finale was ultimately unsatisfying. And I guess that's that for Torchwood then, I can see why Barrowman was so pissed
The End? by McBegbie	Jul 10th, 2009 05:22:49 PM
Torchwood has improved alot since it began and this series, for the most part, was good. Barrowman was annoyed about the shift to BBC1, and RTD has said previously that he wouldn't leave the show whilst it was still running. The dick seems to have solved that problem by winding it up, I can't see how it can come back for another series. I just pray that RTD doesn't stitch Who up before he hands the reigns over to Moffat
Sapphire and Steel? by McBegbie	Jul 10th, 2009 05:24:01 PM
Get a hold of yourself man!
Big problem with Ep5, was by V'Shael	Jul 10th, 2009 06:05:07 PM
the excuse the PM gave for having Frobisher turn his kids over. That was guaranteeing that Frobisher would turn against the plan in some way. Not only did it go against what was laid out in the previous episode, it made no logistical sense within the context of Ep5 either.
Well, as endings go, that was a bit shit. by V'Shael	Jul 10th, 2009 06:45:21 PM

Glad they kept the darkness. by Gabba-UK	Jul 10th, 2009 06:55:27 PM
It was a little ropey in terms of plot but Jack daughter did say he had a dark side. Killing your own grandson to save all the worlds children was just cold. At least they didn't kill them with a peanut allergy, which would be typical RTD copout.
Fucking hell! by spud mcspud	Jul 10th, 2009 07:07:09 PM
Just finished watching. RTD grew some balls - the scene with Stephen was awesome (nice to see Lucy Cohu finally get to show how great an actress she is - she was the bomb in CAPE WRATH) and (sorry Zedde) it's fairly obvious why they choose him - no other kids immediately available, and it's 1 vs 350,000. No contest. The negatives? Well, there's nothing compelling or especially interesting about Capt Jack, and the fact that he keeps running away every time he gets to make an awful decision is more than a bit pathetic - it means that next time Jack is in WHO or TORCHWOOD, I'll just be waiting for him to do something heroic so something awful can happen next, so Jack can fuck off again. Upshot of all this? Jack is a selfish, cowardly bastard who has occasional bursts of heroism between his craven running-off-and-crying fits. At least Bale's BATMAN is a hard bastard in between being alternatively heroic and angsty; Capt Jack is just fucking boring. Enough with the dark and brooding heroes shtick already - it's SO FUCKING OLD. Get someone a bit more Tony Stark in to run the new TORCHWOOD, and keep new mum Gwen as the overseer of the info centre. Reboot with an all-new crew. Why not? Blank slate!!! I DID like that RTD went there: the scene with Frobisher and his family, the Prime Minister getting hung out to dry by his own Cabinet, the overbearing American general, all the stuff to do with forcibly sending kids to their certain death, capitulating to aliens without even an attempt to fight back... It'd be nice to see the assassin chick and her black ops unit fighting FOR "TORCHWOOD" if it came back - I can't imagine that character just sitting by as the British Government pretended all this never happened. I think this would radicalise her to fight WITH TORCHWOOD - the only organisation who actually tried to resist the 456. Talking of which, the reason for the name 456 SUCKED. But then, it' RTD. In conclusion? Mostly stolen from QUATERMASS: THE CONCLUSION and VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED, RTD is still ripping off the best, but it'd be nice to have a fucking ORIGINAL story for once. Glad to see some good dark, nihilistic, UK '70s style apocalyptic sci-fi back on British TV (hard to believe, but back 30 years or so ago we did this shit best) and we have to thank RTD for this. His last attempt, THE SECOND COMING, went well until the unbelievably dumb (and predictably soap-boxy anti-religious) ending, which theologically was the fucking most stupid ending you could imagine. Dramatically, it could have worked... but RTD bottled out of a REALLY nasty twist (I'd have had a bogus religion spring up based on the erroneous belief that God would rise from the dead again, despite the entire world feeling it when God commits sui-deicide and destroy Himself forever). But he didn't. Coward... Yeah, good stuff. Hope the next TORCHWOOD is anywhere NEAR as great as this. Now bring back QUATERMASS, and maybe reboot SAPPHIRE & STEEL. And I think CHILDREN OF THE STONES is due a rehash too...
so its over by jon pertwee	Jul 10th, 2009 07:10:53 PM
i wonder if we'll get a spinoff, maybe the adventures of captain jack, interplanetary hitchhiker?
Gabba-UK by spud mcspud	Jul 10th, 2009 07:11:54 PM
I think a peanut allergy will be what regens Tennant into Smith. Heh heh. Glad they didn't wheel out the Gallifreyan to save everyone in the TORCHWOOD conclusion: that, sometimes, the Doctor DOESN'T ride in on his TARDIS and save the day. Niiiiiiiiiice. Oh, and hope Capt Jack NEVER comes back. He's a weakling, a coward, and a shit character to hang a concept like TORCHWOOD on. Give Gwen the reins and have her (and the black ops team that tried to kill them all) recruit a new team and reboot. Go X-FILES on this bitch. TORCHWOOD could be great - and this mini-series showed us how. Hope it comes back this strong.
My biggest worry by Majereuk	Jul 10th, 2009 07:18:21 PM
The biggest problem I'm having with the recent Torchwood and Who is that it's sort of breaking Earth. To put that another way- a lot of what makes RTD's take on Who work is the 'real world' feeling, so the companions have families who live on council estates, and Paul O'Grady is talking about the events of the story on his show, for example. The problem is, the more aliens visibly trample all over Earth, the harder it is to see 'our' world meeting the world of The Doctor/TW. It's a tightrope the Stargate series managed to walk for a very long while, whereas RTD seems to have fallen off it a bit. That's not to say I hated it- just that it's going to get increasingly tough to do this sort of thing and make it work.
All in all... by SilentSentient	Jul 10th, 2009 07:23:50 PM
pretty good, as said before good dark sci-fi (for british tv) and that's a great thing. Yes they're some negatives with the way RTD let it play out... but overall still quite enjoyable. ...and really just comparing it with what's on British tv generally there is no contest it kicked ass. Never really watched this before as a series (aside from the odd ep here and there) just didn't hold my interest..but this miniseries did it..because as others have said it went there.
Wow...I seem to have the exact opposite opinion... by Rhuragh	Jul 10th, 2009 07:38:23 PM
...of everyone else here. I thought it was great. Yeah, there might be a few issues with pacing (but then again, it is essentially a five hour episode), and the "end of the world" rhetoric was a bit hyperbolic. Regardless, Day Five was much like Day Four in that it had some very well crafted and honest line-crossing. Day Four's frank discussion on the logistics of sacrificing ten percent of the world's children was matched, nay, exceeded by tonight's implied triple murder-suicide and then a graphic ON CAMERA murder of a child! Including blood streaming from his nose and ears! WHILE HIS MOTHER WATCHED. And this was on BBC1! Can you imagine being stateside and seeing something like that on ABC, CBS, or NBC? Here we banish stuff like that to the cable networks (think BSG)! In fact, off the top of my head, I think this might be darker than anything that ever happened on BSG! Oh, nope, looking through an episode list I can say that the attempted rape of Athena (then still Boomer) in 2x10 Pegasus, and Tigh murdering Ellen in 3x04 Exodus Pt. 2. Still, as dark as those two scenes were, neither of them involved a child. Given the MONUMENTAL social taboos about hurting children in the media, I'm going to have to give the point to Torchwood (but only barely).
Addendum by Rhuragh	Jul 10th, 2009 07:45:59 PM
Anyway, I have to give RTD some massive credit for this. He played scorched-earth with the characters on the show (such that I doubt the series will be back), but he managed to not fuck up the climax! He didn't resort to something retarded like a peanut allergy to kill off the aliens, he actually wrote a pretty smart way for Jack to turn the aliens' technology against them! He also avoided using the patented RTD reset switch or a deus ex machina! That has to be a first for him in the Whoniverse.
I'm with you, Rhuragh. I thought it was great by Mazzke	Jul 10th, 2009 10:03:12 PM
I think it's some of the best torchwood they've done yet. And it was as epic as some of the best things they've done on Dr. Who. It was suspenseful and delightfully dark. And I know other fan sites are in an uproar, but I'm so glad they killed of Ianto. I've hated his character since day one when he was constantly whining and crying about his half-cyberman girlfriend, ready to let the world go to hell by hiding her rather than man up and tell everyone else about her. I just wish they nixed Gwen as well. Torchwood is an odd series because I really like it overall, but I've loathed every character except Tosh and Jack, despite the latter's HORRID acting ability. I'm crossing my fingers that season 4 is a go, and the first thing that they do is kill off Gwen and replace her with the Lois Habibi character. Now she was someone who was both likeable and intelligent, which would be a refreshing change for Torchwood. btw, the show will supposedly get a fourth season if the ratings for the miniseries are good, which they have been. In fact, the ratings have way surpassed expectations. http://tinyurl.com/mlgwwn
Really happy with ending by FrodoFraggins	Jul 10th, 2009 11:53:10 PM
I definitely think this is RTD's best work for Who or Torchwood. Yeah there were tons of holes and nitpicks but I didn't really care. I was definitely surprised at how dark things got. I'm not sure why they've decided to kill off so many important characters, when including S2 finale. It certainly clear that they either don't want torchwood to return as a series or they want a brand new spinoff with just Captain Jack. Either that or Barrowman asked out, even though he publicly denies it, or the BBC has another show lined up for him.
One thing that seems to distinguish BBC sci-fi? and American is. by Mindtrip	Jul 11th, 2009 12:31:42 AM
...the BBC willing to kill off characters much more sop than the US. Thinking back a bit, this certainly applies to "Spooks" or "MI-5" over here, although it isn't sci-fi. They've recently done the same with Primeval.
Meh by NoQuarter	Jul 11th, 2009 12:49:35 AM
I thought that episode five, while having some good moments, was a letdown overall. Unlike Rhuragh, I thought the way they killed off the 456 was the very epitome of a deus ex machina. More importantly, I thought it was kind of boring. I'll say this, though--it was far, far FAR better than the massive clusterfucks that were the previous two season finales. I do like that there was no happy ending and no pushing of any reset buttons. I do wonder if the show will be back, and if it is back, who will be in it and what form it will take. This miniseries felt to me kind of like it was a sci-fi version of 24, and frankly I liked that.
Mr Damp Squib strikes again by prbt	Jul 11th, 2009 01:28:39 AM
V-e-r-y disappointing. The PM/Frobisher scene was utter nonsense, what would the PM have hoped to achieve?? And as for Jack killing his grandson - great idea, poor execution (pun intended). All the great work from the previous 4 episodes, just pissed up the wall. Gutted. I really REALLY wanted it to be a classic piece of telly, but it was a huge letdown, like all RTD endings are.
Mr Zeddemore by laguna_loire	Jul 11th, 2009 03:38:18 AM
You're right, it isn't irony - it's listening to some anally-retentive twat who hasn't got something else to rant on about. You fuck off. Forever I wish.
The switch to BBC1 by newkie brown	Jul 11th, 2009 04:58:16 AM
Perhaps what's most surprising is that the switch from BBC2 to BBC1 didn't dilute the series' dark intentions. If anything, it played against all expectations, and I would agree with one of the above posters that it was reminiscent of an old Quatermass series. In an age where there is often bugger all on television to get excited about, this 5-nighter was must-see stuff.
NoQuarter by Rhuragh	Jul 11th, 2009 08:29:55 AM
I'm going to have to disagree with you that this was a deus ex machina. Given that this is a sci-fi series, and a particularly outlandish and incredible one at that, the bar for deus ex machina is quite high. Given that RTD has ended three of the four seasons of Doctor Who with LITERALLY turning a character into a GOD to solve the dilemma I don't think this really counts. For the record, those three are having Rose absorb the Time Vortex in season one, having the Doctor absorb the combined "psychic energy" of the planet in season three, and the Donna Noble human-timelord "biological meta-crisis" in season four. THOSE are deus ex machinas. Jack is a human from the 51st Century; he has been shown to have technical skills on par with the Doctor's (for example, rigging the Slitheen surfboard to create a shield around the TARDIS in the season one finale). It doesn't strike me that anything he did at the end of Day Five was beyond his character's established technical capabilities.
prbt... by berksbear	Jul 11th, 2009 09:52:37 AM
..."And as for Jack killing his grandson - great idea, poor execution (pun intended)" I mean, Huh? What, you wanted Jack to maybe force a gun up the kid's arse and shoot him through the head???? I think what Jack agreed to with Stephen was suitably shocking and dark for the series. Damn you retarded ranters - get lives, please!!
Well I fucking loved it! by BiggusDickus	Jul 11th, 2009 09:58:11 AM
I'm not an RTD fan, I can't stand Barrowman and I've never watched Torchwood before, but I thought this miniseries was the absolute tits! Very dark, very entertaining and loved the five night format. I can't remember the last time I stayed in on a Friday night because there was something unmissable on the telly! Brilliant stuff!
When I saw the trailers on the BBC 1 by emeraldboy	Jul 11th, 2009 10:18:06 AM
for Torchwood COE i got a chill. all those kids saying in unison we are coming etc made me sit up and take notice. I watched COE from start to finish. aside the moments of menace. I found this series of torchwood to be average. No knock out moments, no final twists no suprises, whatever. gwen questioning the dr lead me to believe that tennant would turn up at some point as the series big suprise. despite being an anagram for dr who. the whole thing seems like a wasted opportunity. I liked Season four a lot and it seemed they were becoming more and more ambitious. which is why this season was so avarage is all the more disspaointing. I had high hopes for this week long Torchwood and I agree with barrowman in retrospect. putting this on bbc 1 was not a good idea. But then bbc2 has miniscule budget. all of the actors in this had little to work with. but these are all talented people so why were there emotions all on mute? Ianto's demise was wodden and shockingly so. Gwen should have called capt jack a coward. but when she challenged him not to run away he said just watch me. weak and if this is the final of torchwood. it was an utterly cack handed way to go.
oh and speaking of time travel sort off by emeraldboy	Jul 11th, 2009 11:28:30 AM
celtic rock legends Horslyps are back preforming live after an absence of 35 years. They play the 02 dublin and the oddessy arena in belfast in december. Horslyps were legends in the seventies. they merged trad and rock. Their album sleeves were works of art. The designed there own outfits. their gigs were fire crackers. heady stuff. utterly unpredictable. they are all older wiser heads. Like most bands of that era. they drank too much and had a huge row over royalities and who took the credit for writing the songs which included Dearg duam, trouble with a capital t and the man who built america. berry develin one day went to court without telling the others and got judgement saying that he was the ole song writer in the band. they woved never to work with hinm again and the band split up. rumours abounded then for at least a decade that the band would reform. but then a couple of years ago at some music festival the prefomed an acustic set and that was all. untill last week when it was announced that the seminal and mighty horslyps are back on the road. there concerts were the stuff of legend.
cant stand barrowman by emeraldboy	Jul 11th, 2009 11:34:28 AM
eithe. I hated that quiz he did last yer. where he seemed to shout for no reason. he seemed to channelling later pacino. and anyway he looks like cruise. and we all know that cruise is well.......
Emeraldboy... by berksbear	Jul 11th, 2009 11:45:43 AM
...your blow up doll is waiting. Go have sex (and pretend it's a real girl) and then you'll realise that you don't have to spend your life slagging off successful people to make you feel better. there, there.
When did Jacks' ...Time Agent device get fixed? by Mindtrip	Jul 11th, 2009 12:10:27 PM
Am I even correct in calling it a "Time Agent" device? I thought the Doctor had disabled it the last time they met. What am I mising?
"I hated that quiz he did..." by Scratchmonkey	Jul 11th, 2009 12:34:30 PM
Oddly enough, I was expecting Jack to yell out "the kids are alriiiiiight!" with his best jazz hands at some point during CoE. A potential crossover into Jack's double life as a terrible gameshow host lost forever. A sad day for British TV.
that was so fucking boss by ianrewel	Jul 11th, 2009 05:42:48 PM
I loved this, it had so much fucking gravitas. I liked that Jack seemed to be in the back burner all the time, and they even managed to make Gwen extremely likeable, Ianto you will be missed
berksbear by spud mcspud	Jul 11th, 2009 05:51:18 PM
Do you know where you are? This is a TALKBACK! We're MEANT to be slagging off successful people - especially those who got where they are DESPITE their extremely obvious limited amount of skills. Barrowman is a fucking AWFUL actor, and emeraldboy is bang on with his comments - WHY all the shouting on that fucking terrible quiz? And, more to the point - WHY are you so upset by people slagging off Barrowman? Barrowman has a great career, loads of wonga, a man he loves AND just had a hit mini-series on BBC1. He could NOT give less of a shit what we think. Why the hell do you?
Oh, and I'd so-o-o do Eve Myles by BiggusDickus	Jul 11th, 2009 07:41:33 PM
You would too. Admit it. Regardless of your shallow American prediliction for perfect china-white UV-reflective teeth, you'd all be queuing up for a go on the gappy Welsh bird, wouldn't you? You know it, I know it. Get in!
Spud... by berksbear	Jul 12th, 2009 05:45:04 AM
...am entitled to my opinions of you sad pathetics as much as you are of Mr Barrowman. Deal with it, saddo!
berksbear by spud mcspud	Jul 12th, 2009 07:14:10 AM
Fair enough. While you spend your entire life in here slagging off anyone else who dares to have an opinion that disagrees with yours, I'll be off actually living my life. So who's the saddo again?
Hey Spud.. by berksbear	Jul 12th, 2009 07:42:40 AM
... I think it's sweet that you jumped to poor emerald boy's defence like that. Maybe you don't like John Barrowman because he is more like you than you dare to believe? Hmmmmmm.
I would also like to point out by emeraldboy	Jul 12th, 2009 07:50:03 AM
That when barrowman is on other programs he comes across as annoying. I have seen him on other shows like graham norton, 8/10 cats and when someone cracks a joke he goes over the top in a completely and utterly contrived way . He works well on those shows to a find a lead ie those loyd webber reality shows he knows a lot about musical theatre . I saw barrowman once on Friday night with jonathan ross and he was acting the idiot in the green room and I just turned off the tv or changed the channel.
Thanks, emeraldboy... by berksbear	Jul 12th, 2009 08:16:42 AM
...that FASCINATING story really contributes to the textual analysis of Torchwood: Children of Earth.
Shite... by Darkocity	Jul 12th, 2009 11:07:54 AM
didnt occur for some dumb reason this is 5 episodes, and not 6. Gonna have to go back and watch it all again; i guesss, is this tying into Dr Who?
Mindtrip by zer05um	Jul 12th, 2009 11:24:24 AM
The Doctor just disabled the vortex manipulator, so no time travel, but other functions were probably maintained.
what fascinating by emeraldboy	Jul 12th, 2009 01:26:21 PM
story?
Berksbear by spud mcspud	Jul 12th, 2009 05:18:22 PM
Whereas your veiled insult (which either means you think Barrowman is untalented and so am I, or you are pointing out that I must be gay because Barrowman is) adds huge amounts of intellectual rigour to the textual analysis of TORCHWOOD: CHILDREN OF EARTH. I'm sure media studies degree students will be quoting from your massive contribution to the semiotics of TORCHWOOD for decades to come.
Ahhh, Spud... by berksbear	Jul 13th, 2009 02:28:29 AM
...you don't like it when your little emeraldboy gets attacked do you? When's the wedding? xxx
That's it, Berksbear... by spud mcspud	Jul 13th, 2009 06:37:28 AM
Bend over. I'm going to fuck up your kidneys FROM THE INSIDE. Prepare to SAY HELLO TO MY LEEEEEEEEEEETLE FRIEEEEEEEEEEND!!!
aint you even gonna... by berksbear	Jul 13th, 2009 07:45:01 AM
...buy me a drink first? ;)
Only if it has by spud mcspud	Jul 13th, 2009 06:33:31 PM
a little umbrella in it. And then I'll tell you how beautiful you are before I rearrange your insides with Lil Spud ;D
just finished Children of Earth by blue1622	Jul 14th, 2009 02:05:24 AM
...and Jesus, it was spectacular.
Zer05um by Mindtrip	Jul 14th, 2009 12:32:39 PM
I can't recall him ever using the device to transport like he did. I wonder if this will be alluded to in one of the last two Doctor Who shows to be broadcast later this year, be explained in S4 or never mentioned again...?
frackin excellent by kimbers	Jul 17th, 2009 08:51:22 AM
I was amazed at how dark bleak and distressing the show was, especially for a primetime bbc show on the most watched channel in the UK. Frobisher was brilliant, especially after seeing him play a completely different politico in the excellent The Thick of IT It wasnt perfect a few plot holes and shaky plot device here and there and the music got in the way a bit But overall the show was excellent, proper sci-fi for grown ups, obviously going way over the heads of some of the intellectually challenged homphobes that seem to post on here!

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