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If you haven't seen the official AVATAR Na'vi image, check it out!

first? by The InSneider	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:51:54 PM

yup you are first by tolomey	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:55:36 PM
now you get to go home and fuck the prom queen. Prom queen from 1979 that is...or as you call her....mom
Well... by CaptainAxis	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:56:29 PM
That looks, umm... generic. Like that chick in X-Men, kinda.
Fourth! by SingingHatchet	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:56:52 PM
Sweet
It's a.... by Semen Stains	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:57:12 PM
Blue face!!! oh Cameron is gonna redifine science fiction with this one i tells yah folks
Fifth? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:57:21 PM
IT'S A ROBOT!
I wonder if the hype by SingingHatchet	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:57:36 PM
will kill Avatar? Any news on the rating?
Here we go... the weekend I love/hate living in San Diego by Heckles	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:57:45 PM
Downtown is f'n packed beyond belief every year. Luckily most of the closet cases don't hit up the bars. Haven't seen that display yet though. Surprised, usually the streets are lined with Comic-Con ads by now.
that doesn't look like Ang at all! by dead youngling	Jul 2nd, 2009 08:58:06 PM
the real avatar.
aroused eyeballs by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:00:58 PM
i has them
already on LatinoReview yesterday. Plus, NO TRAILER by DoctorZoidberg	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:01:43 PM
I doubt JC will post a standard trailer on the internet. He might show some footage at ComiCon OR do some early test screenings, and count on word of mouth to bring in the masses. If he posts a trailer on the net, then everyone will see it in less than ideal quality, and then rip on it for 'not being all that'. At this point he won't risk it. The stakes are too high. So no trailer, maybe just some teaser images.
Dude! I saw it! It's a lion! It's huge! by otm shank	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:02:07 PM

Hey! by vaterite	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:02:24 PM
Listen!!
OMG!! by one_guy_from_andromeda_	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:05:25 PM
This movie is gonna rock! I may even look up at the screen while i'm at the cinema this time (usually i don't watch the movie, i just give my bf head)!! yay
That looks about right by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:06:17 PM
It makes sense that Iron Jim went with a humanoid-like avatar. Supposedly the actual Na'vi are a little less humanoid in features (I heard that avatars have 5 fingers/toes and more human-like face, while Na'vi have 4 fingers/toes). Mr. Cameron probably realized that a less humanoid face/form would make it difficult for the audience to connect to the story/characters. Bold move on the eye, though. Part of Davy Jones' realistic connection was his human eyes - eyes are the toughest part of crossing the uncanny valley. Well, here's to the hope of a great story!
FUCK!! MY EYES PAPERCUTS!!!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:08:04 PM

wow exclusive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! by TheExterminator	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:09:37 PM

Why wasn't a preview on Transformers or Trek? by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:13:03 PM
Those movies reached out to more people this summer than most movies did last year. I don't get it.
MY EYEBALLS JUST GOT FUCKED! by FuckMichaelBay	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:13:34 PM
And it was just OK.
If that's a CG effect, it looks damn real. Unlike HULK. by Se7en	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:14:13 PM
Bravo Cameron. And no, our eyes aren't gonna be fucked.
I can't wait!!! by Evangelion217	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:15:23 PM
My eyeballs have just been fucked so good! Thank you Cameron. :)
CaptainAxis..... Dumbass by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:16:26 PM
"That looks generic" like that chick from xmen. Fucking retard. The chick from xmen was a real human. This is CG. The fact that you even compared the two proves that Cameron has succeeded.
Mighty Boosh joke, coming right up... by ImJustSaying	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:17:04 PM
"Glad you're here Howard! The star faced midnight lion lady escaped from the Zoo!" "You mean the Na'vi?" "Exactly!" Is it just me, or is this FUCKING BARELY A PICTURE OF A NA'VI?? When I saw the headline I was thinking, "Ohhh shiiit, here we go, I'm about to actually have something to get excited for avatar about..." And then it's a picture of a comic con advertisement flag. And now I'm thinking, "I'm so fucking tired of every scrap of this thing being news." This is exactly like when the first Iron Man poster turned out to be... the helmet. Looking just like the iron man helmet was ever gonna look like. Now of course that movie ended up being RAD, and this one will too (even though the plot sounds really boring... like... video game boring), but as of right now I'm more stoked about M. Night Shyamalan's kids fantasy action superpower movie than this one. And I have a sneaking feeling it's not just me.
The "real" Na'vi? by CaptainAxis	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:17:49 PM
I don't know shit about Avatar, so...
am I missing something? by BadMrWonka	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:18:15 PM
it's a blue guy with yellow eyes...the concept art we see a week ago was way cooler. no way this is gonna be better than Piranha Part 2: The Spawning
GForce05 by CaptainAxis	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:19:11 PM
So generic is good, as long as it's CG? That's curious logic.
What the hell!? by oatmeal2348	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:19:38 PM
This movie has been nothing but hype for two years! It better rip out my eyeballs and skullfuck me to make up for everything I have and haven't heard about it to date.
Quint, I think that's an avatar, not a Na'vi by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:19:49 PM
If you look at the features of the face, there are basic patterns similar to Sam Worthington, the main character in the film. That is an image of his avatar. The Na'vi are supposed to have a little less humanoid features. . Just saying. Respectfully.
this is 2 days old, can't rely on AICN anymore by DarthBakpao	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:20:26 PM

Still don't know... by ste1bro	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:20:39 PM
...why I'm supposed to be excited about this film.
Let me clarify by CaptainAxis	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:22:05 PM
I know literally almost nothing about this project. I'm not trashing it. I do love crazy visual trips, so I am rooting for this to be something awesome. I'm not really a CG fan, but I did like Beowulf.
ste1bro.... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:22:21 PM
You are supposed to be excited about this film because it will have the best special effects to date. The poster hints at that...it's CG... Maybe the best I have ever seen.
If it said "Cirque du Soleil" by Dark Knight Lite	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:23:46 PM
you wouldn't give it a second look. I'll get excited when I see a trailer that generates excitement.
ste1bro by godhelpus	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:25:40 PM
Agreed. What's up with this movie? Worthington seems kinda lifeless to me. And Why can't aintitcool get the hot stuff anymore? In the old days you guys would have beat comic con to this. I kinda liked when you were a bit more against the grain.
No dudes, that's not an avatar by ImJustSaying	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:26:04 PM
I'm sorry, but when you look at that face, you kind of want to bang it. Sam Worthington isn't going to look like a babe in this movie. http://www.geektyrant.com/wp-c ontent/uploads/2008/11/navi1.j pg See? Na'vi. And the avatar will look like a na'vi, but you know, a male one. Calm yourselves.
ImJustSaying..... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:26:26 PM
..... You, and so many other just aren't getting it. That poster is CG. It's the best CG ever produced. People keep assuming its an actor with makeup. It isn't. The point is that Cameron is going to produce photo-realism. Compared to Avatar, Gollum is going to look like a childs crayon drawing. That is the point.
Verbage by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:27:35 PM
Yeah, the trailer will be interesting, as Cameron wants it just right, judging from the interviews he's had. Wow, "9" - I totally forgot about that film! I need to add that to my top films to see in the theater, which are: 1. District 9 (August) 2. 9 (September) - thanks for that! 3. The Road (October) 4. Avatar I suspect the Avatar trailer will be in front of at least one of the first 3 on my list.
But Mystique lost her mutant powers and went all tan. by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:30:20 PM

ARGH...No...Not my Eyes!.ooooo..Ughhh...Ugh..Nooooo . by conspiracy	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:31:39 PM

The typeface... by InfiniteRegress	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:35:00 PM
...actually looks like the ones used in 'The Last Airbender' subtitle of the Avatar:TLA TV series. Which is weird. Fingers crossed that there's going to be some eyeball-fucking footage in San Diego. I gather the complete run-down of panels is to be revealed next week. This'll be my first Comic-Con, some exclusive Avatar goodness would be amazing, but I gather Cameron looks down on the convention, so perhaps not...
ImJustSaying, that's Sam Worthington's avatar by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:37:13 PM
Not a female avatar/Na'vi. Here's a link that mirrors the image: http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/ 2009/07/avatar-taking-over-san -diego-comic-con.html Definitely male features. Each avatar/Na'vi will have some of the facial characteristics of the actors. Look at the talkback in that link, and there are links to other full-faced images of that poster, for visual confirmation that it is a male avatar. Peace.
Where can I read the screen play? by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:37:38 PM
Anyone have a link?
The only people hyping it... by Gil Brooks	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:38:22 PM
...are you guys. So if it's over-hyped, blame yourselves. And that's NOT a Na'vi. It's an avatar. 100%.
NA NA NA NA NA NA CAT-MAN! by Tall_Boy66	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:39:35 PM
Or Catwoman!
This movie is RACIST! PETITION! BOYCOTT! by Ye Not Guilty	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:39:40 PM
Cameron did not cast enough Orientals in this movie! Sign the petition to protest! Boycott the film!
GForce by ImJustSaying	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:40:15 PM
Yeah man, I know it's CG. The test of realistic CG is never in the stills, it's how it moves. And yeah, everyone knows that's CG, I mean... LOOK AT IT! The huge gold iris? The light freckles? The animal nose? That ain't make up. I'm just saying, I was hoping for a dynamic full body shot or something groundbreaking. Instead I got a photoshop face. I really hope it puts other cgi to shame, but as it is, the incredible hulk's face was just as good as this. "I'm waiting to be impreshed."
Screen play?... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:40:56 PM
Does anyone have a link to the screen play? .... Yeah, I'm a drunk belligerent asshole... I'm sorry to the people I already offended tonight... Screenplay please?
nightcrawler with constellation bioluminescence by WalkenLives	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:42:05 PM
in a halo setting. fucking hollywood writes itself.
Just from this crappy image by godhelpus	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:46:06 PM
I can tell it's going to be some of the sweetest eye candy in sometime. But will the story be good? Been awhile since Cameron directed, hope it doesn't turn out to be his TPM.
Who's cock you got to suck.... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:46:37 PM
.... to get a screenplay around here?
That Na'vi has an EILF... by Happyfat73	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:47:19 PM
... an Eyeball I'd Like to Fuck.
DarthBakpao by BadMrWonka	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:48:24 PM
weeping jesus, PLEASE SHUT UP! some of us don't mind waiting a day for something, if it means not having to peruse 18 other retarded sites and running into whiny asshats like you. if it's important enough, it'll be on AICN eventually. and guess what? if that 12 hours after it was on whinyvirgincomics.org, I'm not going to lose much sleep over it.
GForce05 by Gil Brooks	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:48:52 PM
There is no screenplay that's leaked for this. Yet.
godhelpus... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:49:21 PM
Nah, this won't be like the Phantom Menace. Avatar is going to be sexy as hell. It's going to be a love story wrapped around an action film with the best special effects to date. It's going to be all dreamy and shit
GForce05 by godhelpus	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:51:22 PM
I'm hoping for the best
Gil Brooks.... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:52:33 PM
WRONG. The screenplay has been online for something like 11 years, every site refers to it, and I can't find it for some reason.
AVATAR... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:53:47 PM
.... Fucking your eyeballs in 2009
GForce05 by Gil Brooks	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:55:09 PM
Wrong on you. You're referring to the OLD treatment. Not a screenplay.
Gil Brooks.... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 09:57:56 PM
(sigh). Ok, fine. So do you know where I can find the old treatment? And how much dick I got to suck?
looks human. big deal. by V'Shael	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:00:40 PM

I'd hit it by DOGSOUP	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:05:10 PM
Have to get a few extra pillows to make up the height difference Na'vi supposedly being 11 feet tall, but hell I love a challenge. You know Sam Worthington is going to bang one, why can't I?
That treatment is probably fairly unreliable by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:07:13 PM
Treatments are a pain in the ass to write and they're usually just a bunch of fumbling around. The form demands storytelling with absolutely no nuance that is about as exciting to read as a grocery list. I still want to read the old Avatar treatment though, hook up a link.
And by "suck your cock for an old movie treatment"... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:07:53 PM
....I of course mean "do nothing at all except sit here and drink more beer."
Yeah, in LOTR they looked human. Big Deal. by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:08:22 PM
In the original Star Wars most of them looked human. Big deal. In the new Battlestar Galactica most of the cylons looked human. Big deal. Your point, V'Shael? I'm interested in connecting with the story and characters, just as much as reveling in the effects. Hopefully we'll get the best of both worlds. Respectfully.
..... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:09:03 PM
...Though I shall praise your kindness for eternity.
GForce05 by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:13:10 PM
Hey, I hear you regarding the need to read the scriptment. I'm sure if you dig around, you can find it. Obviously that scriptment from 11+ years ago is Jim's Old Testament, then he went through revisions over the years for the New Testament, finally culminating in the King James Testament that will be bestowed upon us, the voracious masses, come December 19th, 2009. Merry Christmas!
Correction... by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:14:43 PM
King James Version, not Testament.
What the hell is this Avatar thingy anyway? by SoylentMean	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:16:31 PM
Why so blue?
ste1bro by orange cinema	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:19:03 PM
right?! i'm just not getting how this creature from dr moreau's island is supposed to change the cinematic world as we know it.
Geek 2 Geek ads by Tokyo_Drifter	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:20:46 PM
What. The. Fuck?! Wow, thank you for making my fucking night, AICN, that site is a goldmine.
Looks like a human by Kobaal	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:24:00 PM
However if it's CG it's bloody good.
A blue face. YAWN. by Raymar	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:24:27 PM

Verbage by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:32:25 PM
Agreed. And however films it, please make sure no one makes a fricken' sound around the camera.
Whomever by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:33:44 PM
And yeah, make it a good video for us to see. Thanks in advance.
So long as she yells "Hey! Listen!" a lot, I'm fine. by Chewtoy	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:42:30 PM
Wait... it's a different Navi? Nevermind.
Wait a minute by BrandLoyalist	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:42:46 PM
Is this why "The Surrogates" was made just now? JC's $750 bil, 14-year-in-the-making 3D epic will end up being the second movie in 3 months to feature remotely controlled substitute bodies when it comes out in December. The Mouse is evil! Evil!
Yeah and attack the projectionist by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:44:26 PM
Punch that fat bastard in the eye and steal whole damn 3D apparatus. Bring that shit to my house and let it have its way with my eyeballs.
Wasn't Navi.... by Jaka	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:45:31 PM
...a character in Ocarina of Time?
Ah, yes... by Jaka	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:46:04 PM
..it was. lol Glad the memory isn't playing tricks on me yet.
Chewtoy! lol by Jaka	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:47:06 PM
I hadn't even seen your post! Cracked me up. "Hey! Listen" (brrriiinnng)
They left the mo-cap dots on it!? by planescrashdown	Jul 2nd, 2009 10:53:06 PM
fucking douches!
I'm blue dabade dabadie or however that song goes... by Johnno	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:01:37 PM
It's a shitty song... Most likely the comic-conners will be seeing the same footage as the people in Amsterdam... Apparently an actual trailer won't be due out until August...
Yup that is indeed cgi, which is damn amaz by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:02:04 PM
ing imho because that looks like good make up fx. Gollum was damn good, but I could still tell he was cgi. The first time my eye was completely fooled was Davy Jones. Adn it looks like they have succeeded here as well. If this is the level of photo real we can expect in this movie, then holy shit this could look amazing...
The film company must be scared as shit about this movie by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:03:17 PM

bubbadestructo...apparantly that is a face of by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:04:41 PM
one of the Na'vi/human hybrids that are used as avatars. The real Na'vi apparantly look more alien....Disagree with you about the eyes though dude, they have to be alien looking imho, the eyes go a long way towards selling something as being otherworldly.....
titanic, people hate that shit by WalkenLives	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:06:45 PM

gforce05.....you cant get the screenplay dude by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:10:00 PM
, only an old scriptment that was written in 1995 (which is now out of date as clearly many things have been changed). However if you would like it I can email it to you if you want, but obviously you would have to post your email address (which may not be a good thing on here...lol)
Eyes are the biggest hurdle in the uncanny valley IMO by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:11:39 PM
Especially human eyes. That's why Gollum looks better than Beowulf. There is no life in Beowulf's eyes. But there's a disconnect with Gollum because he's so outlandish looking, I'm not constantly comparing his eyes to normal human eyes. Even Dr. Manhattan works, because you can't see his pupils. And I'm pretty sure these alien eyes are helping James Cameron get closer to photo real. Next up, lip synching...
Turdontherun...whats up dude? Hows it going? by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:12:11 PM
I thing you are pretty dead on my friend, the Na'vi will be quite menacing. Apparantly they are supposed to be somewhat sinister looking even. But as you say, there will be no camp here....
still not fuckin hyped. cameron is being a douche by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:12:29 PM
the way hes acting i hope this movie fuckin flops hard. just show the fucking trailer you old fuck.
gwai lo......you make some good points dude by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:15:42 PM
, I really like how you can see the skin pores, texture, and lines in the skin. I love the hyper attention to detail. Apparantly Weta, ILM, and Digital Domain are working their asses off and really have had to push themselves to meet Cameron's exacting standards. Even had to develop a number of new software programs...
southafricanguy... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:17:32 PM
my email is look54345@yahoo.com You're the man
lol, maybe the trailer.. by Jaka	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:17:33 PM
...isn't ready, ya know?
no, he isnt being a douche, he's being clever, by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:18:46 PM
damn clever imho. Everything about how this movie has been handled is completely against the grain of how its done these days...and thank God for that. Im sick of seeing everything in the trailers (Hello Transformers 2!), and feeling like I have already seen the fucking movie. Cameron, just keep doing what you are doing, old school baby, like it was with JP, T2 etc....
Gforce....cool dude, will email it to you later by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:20:36 PM
im at work at the moment, but will do when I get onto my laptop.
Jaka...apparantly the trailer is nt ready beca by southafricanguy	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:23:45 PM
use Cameron wants a trailer that will highlight the world he has created, and that is approprite for 2d screens, as that is how most people will see the trailer first I guess. He has made it clear that the movie will play in both 2D and 3D. And as we all know he is a serious perfectionist....
What makes this CG look so real.... by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:25:03 PM
...is the way light is softly diffused over the skin, as opposed to that plastic look that most CG has. Also the lips.... the texture is perfect, and again, the way the light is diffused over them... Jesus, am I writing a critique or a Roberta Gellis novel?
It doesn't look real at all by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:27:26 PM
It looks like a cartoon movie. It's painfully obvious this is an CG animated wankfest.
southafricanguy by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:28:13 PM
I agree. I like the mystery. I'm salivating a little bit, but like that I have no idea what is being served to me. I sort of want to read the scriptment to satisfy writerly curiosity, but the fanboy in me says to just trust in Cameron's showmanship and wait for a serious eyeball defiling. Also in regards to textures, hair, skin pores and etc. I think they are getting close to perfection with that stuff. I'm waiting for the day that they make a movie where they don't tell anyone one of the characters is CGI, and see how long it takes for people to notice. We'll know we've crossed the uncanny valley if someone can pull that off.
The Furries are gonna LOVE this by StrokerX	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:30:03 PM
movie
On the topic of scriptments, treatments, unproduced screenplays, by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:31:39 PM
unused drafts, and products of development hell in general... where do you people find this stuff? Is there a magical treasure trove somewhere? Tell me the password. I somehow must read Richard Kelly's Cat's Cradle adaptation. I want to write that screenplay, dammit.
Is that a constellation on the face? by Octaveaeon	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:31:46 PM
It almost looks like the Pleiades.
It's Gollum - in the first Rings movie. LOL by hallmitchell	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:32:21 PM
Awesome image. The panther people. Wicked. How is San Diego looking this year for the con? Is James Cameron showing up?
Eyes like the medic at the beginning of Star Trek by Kobaal	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:32:58 PM
Subtle but it's there.
...I'm surprised we haven't already crossed the uncanny valley by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:34:12 PM
Considering Final Fantasy the Spirits Within came out in 2001! And that movie was pretty damn close. I was just talking about this with someone the other day, I feel like effects studios have been seriously slacking off since then. How do you get that close in 2001, and it seems that we have hardly gotten any closer since.
JAMES CAMERON spent 300,000,000 MILLION to ENTERTAIN by ABking	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:35:02 PM
And he WILL deliver.
Octaveaeon, southafricanguy by Jaka	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:35:44 PM
Good call! It does look like it could be a constellation. sag, I think I remember reading that, but I agree with you about the way this movie is being handled. In general I just like that Cameron does whatever he wants at his own pace. Sure, I'd like to have seen a couple films from him in the last decade, but why force something if you're not inspired? I also like that (for now) I can read this Avatar talkbacks without fear of major spoilers. It's refreshing.
Keep it going Jim. by imagin78	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:36:02 PM
Keep teasing us. Do not cave to the ADD addled masses that need to see everything before entering the theater. Of course, if you do show them everything, they will rip it to shreds. I am happy with the marketing as is. I am also impressed that no one working on this film has leaked anything. I feel this proves that they know they are working on something special. After a crappy summer full of T4, TF2 and G.I Joe, Big Jim will show everyone how it is done...including Lucas.
The Clone Troopers in the SW preauels looked cooler by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:36:17 PM
than this. And they were all CG save for one or 2 actors.
They rush those effects houses by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:37:28 PM
I got friends that have worked on some high profile stuff. Their schedules are nuts. Plus different effects houses doing different shots leads to movies where the CGI is photoreal in places and dodgy in other places (see: The Incredible Hulk) Hey, many filmmakers still have trouble making their shots look as real as stuff from 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's a very long and arduous learning curve.
Treatment by yiannis	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:39:06 PM
Why are people claiming the old 1995 treatment is so hard to find? I found it with one google search of "avatar" on about the 4th or 5th link I tried. Either I got lucky or you guys are lazy! For those that haven't read it yet, definitely worth a read regardless of how much they change, especially to give a notion of the flora and fauna of Pandora (which is described in surprising detail). Even if only 1/10th of it makes it into the movie as described, you're still going to be looking at some of the most imaginative critters we've seen onscreen in a long time (barring Cloverfield, I'm struggling to think of ANY movie in the CGI era that has had more than one type of ORIGINAL creature design in it - this has about a dozen)
Um... Isn't the Above a "Blurry, Fuzzy Image?!" by blhotz	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:41:48 PM
Don't mean to sound like a dick... but the banner shows/reveals very very little. Yay Comic-Con!!
last time we waited forever for a trailer a big budget movie=SUP by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:43:05 PM
funny because i liked it even though now i relize he just lifted up things
yiannis by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:43:41 PM
Post the link you smug bastard
last time we waited forever for a trailer a big budget movie = by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:43:53 PM
SUPERMAN RETURNS
Trailer by crazykrug72	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:45:06 PM
You know fuck Cameron, almost 13 years between movies, and we haven't even gotten a FUCKING TEASER TRAILER. FUCK THIS MOVIE.
Superman lifted that goddamn Australia size hunk of kryptonite by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:45:44 PM
right into the goddamn sky he did. Because he's the goddamn Superman.
Cloverfield!?!! by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:49:32 PM
I thought 'its' design was pretty poor. I went home and sketched up some creatures that were much cooler. In fact, I thought the idea of a mutated whale was cooler than the actual idea. It made no sense. Was it an earth creature? If so, why hadn't we discovered it yet? No creature lives in isolation, and a creature that size would have been discovered centuries ago. Was it from space? If so, that's just as stupid. So they are telling me that that the atmosphere condusive to life on the alien planet is exactly that of Earth? By the way, a create that size would never be able to support itself in Earth gravitation field, it would collapse under the its own weight.
Cameron didn't do Last Action Hero by Gwai Lo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:51:41 PM
You titboob
Haha by GForce05	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:52:38 PM
reading back my last post... fuck am I drunk
southafricanguy by BubbaDestructo	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:54:18 PM
Yes, I mentioned that was a Na'vi/human hybrid (i.e. avatar) earlier in this talkback. Glad we agree on that. The eyes...always a tough hurdle. Gollum was impressive, Davy Jones even moreso. Gwai Lo, agreed on your points as well regarding this. I really hope that these effects houses Big Jim is outsourcing to does their VERY BEST in this final push to Dec 19th, because this could be a positively historical moment in motion pictures.
Oh my god, you guys were all totally right! by jimmay	Jul 2nd, 2009 11:58:41 PM
My eyeballs are totally fucked! this changes everything! No one has ever, in the history of cinema, brought such an innovative and original vision to the screen!! Thank God you were all here to remind me how genius this was and how it would give meaning to my otherwise empty life.
I don't like JJ Abrams... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:00:41 AM
... He does Cloverfield, Fringe, and Star Trek and claims to be some scientist/artist when his work is so scientifically illiterate its sickening. HG Wells was a scientist/artist... Abrams and Spielberg... uhhhhhhhh NO. They both flunked physics and biology and it shows in their work.
GIVE IT UP FOR JJ! HE FUCKED OUR EYEBALLS by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:04:34 AM
THIS SUMMER WITH LOST AND TREK! DAMN STRAIGHT SKIPPY!!
You have a hand up your ass, by Gwai Lo	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:10:13 AM
spreading wide so you can talk out of it. Neither the Wikipedia article nor the IMDB page for James Cameron list Last Action Hero in his credits. So you are wrong, "Charger28"
Flaacid eyeball wipe at best.... by quantize	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:12:54 AM
aint sayin' it wont be good, you just cant tell from a little picture of a blue face with big eyes.
Ignore Charger28 by imagin78	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:31:59 AM
He is just Michael Bay in disguise. Can't you see the similarity in directing style and writing style? He is just jealous that Cameron is about to school him in how to make a sci-fi/action film.
Poor aliens of science fiction by Anything But Tangerines	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:32:39 AM
Always have to have a bunch of apostrophes in their names. Give them an opportunity now and then to have nice, flowing beautiful name. If Tolkien apostrophicated Elvish, it would just be Klingon. Fuck Klingon.
Tangerines re: Klingons by BubbaDestructo	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:38:38 AM
Yeah...fuck them up their fucking Sa'Huts.
Everybody knows that Bay and JJ Abrams.... by Trannyformers_Apologist	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:39:12 AM
are slacked jacked fagots who enjoy raping small boys. true story
Is charger a complete idiot? Seriously? by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:43:36 AM
the last action hero? Geez dude, please pull your head out your ass. And lockbrokenleg.....give me a break, your opinion is so worthless given that you like TF2 (a cgi wankfest if there ever was one) and think its better than the matrix for fucks sake. What have all the Bay fans come here to shit on this because they arte pissed off at the fact that sci-fi action fans with standards found TF2 to be utter garbage, and that we are interested in something that will probably get get critical acclaim? Move along guys, Avatar wont be for you, there wont be explosians every 5 minutes, there will be confusing (to you guys anyway) things like a story, characterization, and thematic content. Also, you will be confused by the action as it will be shot and framed in such a way as to establish the geography of the action, there wont be any shaky cam or overuse of close-ups (so you will actually be able to tell whats going on). And your patience will be worn out because the action will be an organic extension of the story, as opposed to just a reason for more things to go boom...
BadMrWonka by DarthBakpao	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:45:05 AM
Chill out dude, ain't got much love at home? I love being an ass and whine all day. I mean, what can you do? Telling me to shut up?
Your gonna kill this film with HYPE by kingoflight	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:45:41 AM
nuff said
What if it turns out that it isn't very good? by AJD_1	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:48:35 AM
Fanboys will be killing themselves!
and just to show what an asshat i am by DarthBakpao	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:48:39 AM
this news IS 2 days old, can't rely on AICN anymore...
Damn you guys by Jaka	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:50:04 AM
Cameron doesn't owe you a movie or a trailer. Sometimes the rants on talkbacks are silly, disturbing, insulting, intelligent, insightful, unnecessary, funny, lame, brilliant, etc. etc. etc. More often than not it makes for good reading. But this name calling and insulting because someone in creating art on their own terms is absolutely ridiculous. James Cameron owes you NOTHING. It doesn't matter if he hasn't made a film in FIFTY years. It's his film already! lol Dang.
And in regards to things that don't matter... by Jaka	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:52:37 AM
...Transformers2. < br>I don't really think I need to explain further, because it JUST. DOESN'T MATTER. Seriously, one of the 10 worst films I've ever seen. I almost walked out several times but the people I was with didn't want to leave. Talk about a pile of nothing.
AND!! by Jaka	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:54:02 AM
Stop calling that abomination T2, damn it! There is already a GOOD movie that goes by T2 and you insult it every time you call that pile of robot puke by the same name.
My eyeballs are ready... by GBRob08	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:54:34 AM
... to be fucked. Without the KY cause it will sting my eyes.
This movie change lives!!! by Orionsangels	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:55:27 AM

ㅓJaka......100% agree with you dude. AJD by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:55:31 AM
then nothing dude, its just a movie, if it does turn out to not be good, it will be dissapointing because i have always wanted an epic sci-fi action space opera with a more adult tone and sensibility (ala TDK to superhero films). But otherwise....shrugs
hey Turd, whats up dude? How you doing? by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:18:06 AM
So I take it you saw ROTF then? I was less than impressed personally.
Looks suspiciously like it might be classic a sci-fi to me by Mysterious_Volvo	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:18:12 AM

So, apparently there's a rumour— by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:20:30 AM
that some footage will be shown at Comic–Con in 3D. Possibly, the same footage that everyone who has written about this movie has seen, which is something like 10-15mins. Anybody got spare tickets they wanna sell?
Blak....apparantly Hall H is being outfitted to by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:33:57 AM
screen 3D, so make of that what you will.....
Why has there been bitchin' in the media about the budget? by standundermyumbrella	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:36:43 AM
It cant cost just $200 million can it?
3-D by imagin78	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:38:52 AM
With 3-D now a mainstay, I imagine that every ComicCon will have an outfitted 3D screen. The banner, I feel, proves that Cameron will be showing 3D footage. We will find out soon enough.
southafricanguy, I just need to learn patience… by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:40:25 AM
It's already 7 months into the year—I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
Ah, eff it— by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:41:59 AM
I CAN'T WAIT!!
FUCK THIS!!! by krullboyisback	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:43:28 AM
There is nothing there. .. it's like smelling a hot chick's fart when she walks by you in the bar, it means NOTHING
The banner.... by The_Coyote	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:45:16 AM
...doesn't necessarily ensure that. Last year there were Star Trek banners for the Con, yet no footage was shown (I don't even think it was featured in a panel). But it's looking like this time there will be some footage shown, so everything I just said is irrelevant.
Hrm, my eyeballs are starting to recieve... by Davidia	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:47:45 AM
A little mild for-play. Like a dry-hump or something. So far I liked the videogame images, and those eyes and face make an enticing image. But can we please skip the teases and get down to some real fucki...I mean footage.
I am tired of hearing of this movie, and I know nothign about it by cylon_conspiracy	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:48:54 AM
I love sci-fi and I'm sure when whatever "it" is comes out, I will see it and enjoy it, but come on. They've been hyping this film for what seems like years now, and only NOW we're seeing a girl who looks like a cat? I'm all for not spoiling yourself and not revealing too much info about a movie too soon, but if you are going to hype a film like this, you better give people SOMETHING GOOD to justify all the hot air and meaningess speculation you put out with your film. Genre fans are used to getting just the right amount of teasers an links to get them excited for opening day. In the case of avatar, less has actually been less.
The word from someone who has worked on AVATAR by standundermyumbrella	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:49:27 AM
I cut and paste it from IMDB avatar forum: having worked on quite a few features, I know how much a minute can cost. Knowing how MUCH work is going into a minute of avatar, how many revisions there have been on each and every element of every shot, how much R&D went into the lighting, shading and texturing, the sheer SCOPE of the production and the level of quality demanded by Mr Cameron, going over $200 for this movie is in no way a stretch. I'm pretty sure that Weta got more than that for their contribution alone,and when you factor in Actors, live action sets (AWESOME live action sets, I saw them being constructed) the full size APU, the live action crew, the mocap shoots (pretty cheap, considering) ILM, Framestore et al and the fact that 800+ people at Weta alone are putting a LOT of OT in on this production and you can see how costs can rise. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Every penny will end up on screen. It will LOOK amazing. Like nothing you've ever seen. I only know that the 3d screening I saw gave me a bad headache and nausea, but that was most likely a technical issue at the screening. I did find it hard to believe that JC would put out something that would give people headaches, well technically at least. as for the costs, I can't know for sure as I'm not privvy to the finances, but I can extrapolate and I've worked on other features that were not as enormous or ambitious as this one and I know how much they cost. This movie is HUGE. It makes Titanic look like a Kid's paddling pool video and look how much THAT cost over 10 years ago!! Avatar is going to be THE movie that all future effects movies are going to be judged by for a good while to come. It's the story that concerns me most, but then I liked Titanic, still do. Even the cheesy bits. Think Dances with Wolves meets Aliens. With kickass battle armour and planet spanning war. Doesn't sound too bad, eh?
meant "leaks" by cylon_conspiracy	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:50:30 AM
Genre fans are used to getting leaks that titillate and excite. The days of Blue Harvest are way past us.
Damn Jaka by Projectedlight	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:51:13 AM
I'm amazed to see so much intelligence on this site.
There are people that like TF2? by Happyfat73	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:53:14 AM
Really? Wow! Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, seeing as there are also people out there who like to watch mexican women fuck donkeys. Some people just enjoy watching dumb shit.
Sounds good to me… by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:53:41 AM

Sounds good to me… by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:53:43 AM

Cameron has already put out movies that unduce headaches by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:23:24 AM
They're called Abyss, and True Lies.
Happyfat73, yeah i know imagine people liking dumb popcorn movie by bongo123	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:24:32 AM
I mean there’s guys out there that like fat chicks... what gives... and how can anyone not like startrek!!?? Or waffles... i thought we were all the same, as for the Mexican donkey fucking.. isn’t that how your dad met your mum, when the donkey couldn’t get it up and he stepped in...
happyfat...lol dude, yeah im afraid tis true my by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:26:10 AM
friend. Did you not check out some of the stuff being said in the TF talkbacks? Apparantly you should nt expect a story, characterization, or logic because it aint shakepeare, and if you were offende by it, or thought it needed things like plot or characterization you are a left wing liberal nut...lol. Yeah it was actually THAT nuts...
Since when did Panteara get a part in this film? by Gabba-UK	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:27:09 AM
Hardly unique don't you think.
Lock....I think you may be confusing those by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:28:43 AM
films with loud, obnoxious crap like TF:ROTF...
True Lies by imagin78	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:30:21 AM
True Lies is what TF2 wishes it could be. A light action movie that doesn't take itself seriously, but still provides imaginative set-pieces that one can follow. The director's cut of The Abyss is a tremendous film. The one thing one can't say about Cameron is that he gives people headaches. He doesn't use shaky-cam and has a great sense of story structure and geography.
Erm...is that news worthy? by HarryBlackPotter	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:34:03 AM

I wish Cameron would go back to doing SPIDERMAN. by Bob Cryptonight	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:34:13 AM

LEAVE MY F**KIN' EYEBALLS ALONE!!! by HarryBlackPotter	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:34:32 AM

Ugh, True Lies was not good by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:56:23 AM
It's silly panderous shit. Tom Arnold was terrible, and the only real good scene is at the start. Jamie lee Curtis was just awful, too. The Abyss could have been great, but that ending is so boring and hard to believe. Gah. What a waste.
What? by imagin78	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:03:45 AM
Yet, you claim to like 2001. That has an even more obtuse ending and the warp sequence seems to last forever. Keep in mind, I actually love 2001, but to attack The Abyss for being boring is strange in relation to 2001. I wish I knew how True Lies is panderous while TF2 is not. I imagine you would agree that if you think Arnold and Curtis were terrible then Fox and Turturro are equally poor.
Who care when Bubbles the Chimp is in the news again? by Anything But Tangerines	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:08:27 AM

He likes bananas, cucumbers, and by Anything But Tangerines	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:10:43 AM
MJ's startling pure white genitlia
Hey, I only like the space parts of 2001 by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:14:56 AM
I usually skip to that section of the movie when I watch it. I like some aspects of the Abyss. The characters are great, and the military part of the story I liked. I admit Tf2 has problems, but that's based on a comic book which AlSO had problems, I admit that.
I saw True Lies too, and well, I didn't like it by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:16:26 AM
It was trying too hard to be James Bond with a harder edge. I can get a better spy movie with a classic Bond than in True Lies.
I've actually seen it... by drompter	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:17:53 AM
It was posted by other sites two days ago.
My favorite Cameron movies are by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:18:00 AM
Titanic, T2, and Aliens.
Titanic....really? by masteryoda007	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:20:43 AM
Hmmm
My point BubbaDestructo? by V'Shael	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:25:41 AM
That the rabid fanboys who think this movie is gods gift to cinema should calm right the fuck down. Sorry if that was too subtle for you.
Do you mean this image, drompter? by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:26:01 AM
Or did you see anything else? A poster maybe?
James Mameron just.... by digital_soul	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:30:12 AM
popped out my eyeballs , rubbed them all over his sweaty cock and drenched them in spunked before popping them up his ass for good measure
Ahhhhh the aintitcool talkbacks by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:35:00 AM
Where James Cameron and True Lies sucks, and JJ Abrams and Mission Impossible 3 rocks.
Ahhhhh the aintitcool talkbacks by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:35:32 AM
Where The Abyss sucks and Star Trek rocks.
You know what this hype reminds me of? by V'Shael	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:35:34 AM
Fucking A.I. with Haley Joel Jackson-bait. We'd hear all this bull about how Kubrick, the great god Kubrick, saw the effects in Jurassic Park and said "Now, finally, the technology is here, and I can make my masterpiece called A.I." And we followed it for ages. And marvelled at stills which showed robots with the faces of girls, and Jude Law as an unconvincing sex bot. And when A.I. finally came to the screens? Sure, Harry sucked it's cock. No surprise there. But a large number of people did call it a steaming bag of boring shit. Avatar and it's pre-release hype reminds me of this. And those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are condemned to repeat them.
Ahhhhh the aintitcool talkbacks by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:37:03 AM
Where people only watch the 'space bits' of 2001 and think Transformers 2 rocks.
This movie's gonna rock harder than HHHs! by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:37:26 AM
That's a lot of dope. And great eyes too Did Not See That Cummin'.
V'Shael by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:38:08 AM
Cameron has spent years on this. Spielberg knocked out A.I. in a few months.
... by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:39:23 AM
Like really gigantic titties I mean. Not the wrestler.
V'Shael by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:41:08 AM
Agreed, A.I. was a rushjob.
Kwisatzhaderach, by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:42:57 AM
not V'Shael.
kwisatzhaderach, it's like a fine wine— by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:43:11 AM
—the AintitCool talkbacks age well, don't they?
Ahhhhh the aintitcool talkbacks by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:49:07 AM
Where The Mist is cool, and Titanic is crap.
Mr Zeddemore by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:50:33 AM
Kubrick developed it on and off for years. Spielberg picked it up and shot it in 2 months. Thats what i'm talking about. Now who's the idiot?
lockesbrokenleg by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:51:29 AM
The Mist is indeed awesome. But Titanic isn't crap. It wasn't to your taste (nor mine) but you can't say its crap. On a technical level its mindblowing.
blakindigo by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:52:19 AM
Indeed.
Mr Zeddemore by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:56:02 AM
Kubrick spent 2 years shooting Eyes Wide Shut. Spielberg spent 2 months shooting A.I.
Comic Con is gonna be crazzzzy!!!!!!! by TheWaqman	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:07:50 AM
Way better than the last 2 years, what sorry excuses those were. Avatar will make everybody shit their pants.
TheWaqman by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:10:23 AM
Yeah it's to Cameron's advantage that all the big summer blockbusters have been shit. The game is his for the taking now.
What excites you about ComicCon this year TheWaqman? by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:10:43 AM
Comics? Anime? Avatar?
Fuck! Lost is a piece of shit you moron! by TheWaqman	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:11:31 AM
Get it through your head. You bash so much on this site and you're a Lost fanboy. There is so much wrong with that.
wow! by High Grade 4 Eva	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:12:15 AM
half a blue face, mindblowing!
Clearly Avatar.... by TheWaqman	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:14:09 AM
I don't care about Blackest Night, or the new Batman. It's obvious Bruce Wayne is coming back at some point. I don't follow Marvel much so that's out the window. Anime? The only anime I care about these days is Shinichiro Watanabe's. But he's busy working on that shitty Bebop live action movie that will suck.....uh I just want to see some Avatar stuff. It's half a year off. We have to see something now!!!
The Mist was a 6.5/10 kind of movie.... by TheWaqman	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:15:40 AM
The movie was fairly mediocre. And they just threw in that stupid ending to distract you from the rest of the pile of shit you watched. All you would think was, "wow, poor guy" when you should be thinking "that was a piece of shit, did Darabont actually make this?"
I'm obnoxious I know...but Lost is a horrible show by TheWaqman	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:16:25 AM

Doesn't "Lost" end next year? by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:21:03 AM
I dunno. Any other things about Comic Con? Ever read "Kick-Ass" or "The Boys"? Are you going to any panels?
dioxholster, you 'Lost' me at STARGATE by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:24:23 AM
That show feels like a step above Sci-Fi Channel's "Flash Gordon" to me. Sorry, that's 'SyFy Channel.' Meh.
I don't read many comics mate.... by TheWaqman	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:26:55 AM
Yeah Lost ends next year. Thank God. It hasn't been good since the first season. Everybody says season 5 was good, but it was merely a decent season. And you had to sit through the piles of shit that were 2, 3 and 4. How does this show have so many fanboys? Oh wait, the constant use of flashbacks and clear lack of ending in sight. People bash BSG. But all the sane people knew how it was going to end.
Do people still bash BSG? by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:29:04 AM
I only heard mild complaints about the ending.
DickHolster, what's new with Stargate? by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:31:34 AM
Might as well ask, 'cause it just might be interesting…
Watched the teaser, I'll give "Stargate Universe" a shot… by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:42:33 AM
Might as well. Can't be worse than "Ghost Hunters" now can it? And, nothing, I mean nothing is worse than "Flash Gordon." Thanks for the link.
GOD watches "LOST'' by blakindigo	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:49:00 AM

Mr. Zeddemore by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:04:02 AM
You know, I always considered Spielberg to be a tool. A garden tool. He has a keen sense of what's hot/not, great timing on the release dates, but that's all. Never broken the mold like a Kubrick or, say, a Cameron, making the type of movie that changes everything you thought you knew were the movies. He hasn't done that ever. Unlike the classy gem OLDBOY, and his version of that and his party over the weekend chopped and screwed versions of everything classy and original OH I'm angry. WAR OF THE WORLDS? INDIANA, DUEL, ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT Oh F You. Not you Zed, SS, you seem like a classy gem willing to admit it's faults. Nicks.
geeez...is he still pimping that shitty tv show? by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:06:22 AM
dude, for the love of god, go find some stargate related talkback for that shit, you are in every talkback pimping that crap. And for the record, how do you know anything to be fact about Avatar? Did you hop in your imaginery time machine and travel to the future? Must be in the same imaginery world you live in where anyone gives a shit about this tv show.....
btw AVATAR sucks harder than by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:06:49 AM
I DISAGREE!
Anyway....Turd..you pretty much nailed it with by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:08:18 AM
your assessment of TL.
People think Stargate is good? by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:08:50 AM
Oh my sides.
and besides diox thinks TF: ROTF is good by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:09:53 AM
so that pretty much tells me he cant tell the difference between chocolate and dog shit. Yikes!....how god awful must this stargate show be?
Avatars look like Navis by AgentCross	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:10:42 AM
So STFU about it.
Kwis...hey dude...yeah diox is quite the by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:10:47 AM
comedian, he makes me laugh...lol
southafricanguy by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:12:51 AM
There's some right morons on this thread. Never mind, 3 weeks til some Avatar footage!
Looks... by SunTzu77	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:21:02 AM
like a Draenei. Mr. Cameron, are you playing WoW?
It's Avatar!! by SunTzu77	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:21:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XdkTIgdOnas lol
lol Kwis....its all good though dude, makes it by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:24:37 AM
even way more funny when they have to try even harder to come up with shit to hate Avatar lol.
Geoforce.....I emailed you the scriptment dude by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:26:09 AM
, hope you got it. Enjoy!
Suntzu77....maybe dude, but remember that by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:31:10 AM
the Na'vi were created way back in 1995, so i would guess its just coincidence...
just looks like a person with a blue face by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:37:13 AM
Need to see a full body pic. But still serously jazzed for this one!
Meh infinity. by BurnHollywood	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:37:36 AM
I'll be around the corner buying tickets to the Jeff Goldblum-man Group. Same paint, more entertainment.
SunTzu77 by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:46:38 AM
Good times.
BurnHollywood by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:50:18 AM
Enjoy. The rest of us will be busy being blown through the back wall of the theater.
Someone grab the popcorn... by SunTzu77	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:50:30 AM
Megan Fox vs. Michael Bay... I need to grab the butter really quick. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0 ,,20246950_20263258_20284375,0 0.html
YYYYAAAAAWWWWNNNN.... by Dead_Geek	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:54:05 AM
...Boring!
Blue Man Group?? by MonkeyManReturns	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:59:13 AM
This movie is about the Blue Man Group?????
southafricanguy re: Stargate by Kobaal	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:16:27 AM
"..how god awful must this stargate show be?" Stargate is a lightweight, cheesy, fun sci-fi TV show. It's quite enjoyable, has some fun characters and doesn't take itself too seriously. However, dioxholster is a fucking mental case if he thinks it is anywhere near the league of Lost, BSG or freaking Avatar(!!!). Dickholder is a notorious troll who is either genuinely mentally retarded or has the worst taste in entertainment of anyone ever. Despite no other human being remotely agreeing with him, he continues to pump out hundreds of trollish posts extolling the virtues of Stargate as the pinnacle of entertainment and vastly superior to everything else ever filmed. Hope that gives you an idea of what you are dealing with!
Had a thought, had to share by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:28:29 AM
What if Avatar's story really IS like Pocahontas? Now, if it's like the Real story of Popo, nice, but the bullshit version most are familiar with? That... would suck hard. Like the real Pocahontas under the table at Thanksgiving hard. This could be a ham. Here's hoping it's glazed.
Kobaal...lol dude. Thanks for the heads up by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:46:07 AM
and thanks for putting all that into perspective.
southafricanguy.... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:53:59 AM
Sweeeeeeeet. I'm going to read it right now. I'll let you know what I think. Anyway, people who are talking shit about Avatar on here don't seem to understand what Cameron is trying to accomplish. He takes on projects that are almost impossible to film. They are always beyond the cutting edge. He challenges himself with every single project. He makes movies that are almost always the most expensive for their time, drawing ridicule through production, because everyone knows that if he fails, it'll be his head on a plate for the kind of money he's blown, but he produces, every time. The Abyss was absolutely brilliant. It was one of the most expensive films, if not the most expense film, when it was first produced. Cameron actually rented out a nuclear silo and filled it will millions of gallons of water to get his shots. Go back and watch the trailer. It was made in 1989, and it could have been made tomorrow. There is absolutely no time stamp on it. It is an action movie with brilliant acting, and incredible tension. It was way ahead of its time. If you don't understand what makes the movie brilliant than I seriously question your taste, and therefore understand why you don't understand "Avatar". With Avatar it would appear that Cameron is trying to make the first photo-realistic CG world. This hasn't been done yet, not as far as I am concerned. I can always spot the CG. The fact that so many people have come on here saying, "looks just like beast from xmen, big deal" proves that Cameron is succeeding. The banner is a CG image, and it would seem that people who come to this talk-back without prior knowledge of Avatar have no clue. They just don't seem to understand why anyone would be excited about a guy painted blue! The Avatars and Na'va are human-like so that the audience has an in. Pandora will be like Earth, only more extreme. Like a dream, or nightmare, depending on how you look at it. It seems like it will have the aesthetic quality of a photo-realistic Disney anime, but for adults, haha. It's going to be beautiful, sexy, cutting edge, and daring. Cameron isn't going the usual route with his marketing plan. He is appealing to all the geeks directly, at E3 and Comic Con, and letting word of mouth do the rest. He's brilliant.
My God, It's Full of Stars by Cobbio	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:57:14 AM
I like.
They will show some 3d footage on comiccon by ricarleite2	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:04:00 AM
And stupid idiot geeks will be screaming through all of it.
Nope. Thats an Ad for Blue Man Group by EbertsFatThumb	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:09:19 AM
here in Chicago....
james cameron is a furry! by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:09:27 AM

Gforce05. Nicely put mate by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:12:51 AM
I may nick that and put it on my blog :)
Quick!!! --Hide it under the mattress!!! --MY EYES!!! MY EYES by JDanielP	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:38:35 AM
My eyes can nOt WAIT to see MOre!
GForce05 by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:53:45 AM
Nice to see some Abyss love. You're absolutely correct, it's just a fucking tremendous movie and it still looks great today.
Gforce....well put dude, you pretty much just by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:56:31 AM
explained much of the ignorant comments that get posted here by people that know absolutely nothing about this film. but yet they have really strong opnions...
geteveryone...sure dude, just give me your by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:01:36 AM
email. You will have some difficulty finding it due to Cameron having quitely made sure all copies were removed from websites once he knew he could make Avatar...
Oh great a human in blue makeup by Crooooooow	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:07:42 AM
way to push the boundries of special effects! The green women of Star Trek looked better.
geteveryone...good idea dude, i would nt post by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:09:29 AM
my real one on here either lol...
Treatment? by deadfolk	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:13:11 AM
Ok, I can't find the treatment - only posts saying Cameron tracked them down and terminated them all. Anyone got a link?
geteveryone...hold on dude, sending it now by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:16:06 AM

deadfolk....I can email it to you if you want by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:16:44 AM

People are going to be awfully disappointed with this film by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:21:26 AM
Seriously. I love Cameron's movies, and while I think this will do well at the BO, I don't think it's going to do as well as hoped...and I truly believe it's going to underwhelm as a film itself. The images of production art, this image - we've not seen much so far, but I've seen nothing so cool as a single old art shot from Aliens, or the Abyss. Hell, I'm more excited to see a rerun of any of Cameron's older films than seeing this brand new. The story isn't going to engage a lot of casual viewers, and I have a dread feeling that this film is about 5 years - or more - too late for Cameron. Nothing so far has actually made me want to see it, and judging by the talkbacks over it so far I don't think I'm the only one. Hope I'm wrong, but I really do see a lot of Camerophiles being quietly disappointed come the day of their seeing it.
Hint......I dunno dude, it does nt look that way by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:29:37 AM
to me at all. I think what little we have seen is damn interesting and exciting. In fact its exactly because so much of what we have seen reminds me of Aliens, only epic, and more imaginative (and I fucking love Aliens dude)
geteveryone...did you get it? by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:30:40 AM

James Cameron. Piranha 2. by Jay Retread	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:31:59 AM
genius?
A quarter of the way through the treatment.... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:34:40 AM
.... Wow. If the movie is anything like what I've been reading so far its going to be the best movie... maybe ever. The writing is very dense. Cameron goes into minute detail of all the technology and biology behind everything. He gives detailed scientific explanations for the floating mountains, for the avatars physiology (they use the lights on their face to communicate emotion, the colors change, and in intensity, etc...), he explains unobtainium in detail, it is a room temperature electrical conductor found only on Pandora. The engines that powers the ships that go to Pandora. And on and on. It is all interesting. Amazing that Cameron did all this research before he could just grab it all off the internet. There is A LOT of thought here. Much much more than I was expecting, and I was expecting a lot. It is obvious that he is not going to let anyone punch holes in his story. He is also a good writer. The treatment reads like a good sci-fi novel. I'll type more when I am finished reading.
I tried to see the pic,and my eyes started by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:38:26 AM
bleeding.imagine what will happen when the people will go to watch the movie.total genocide.
Southafricanguy....just am not having that feeling for it, you k by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:38:42 AM
Haven't felt unenthusiastic for a Cameron movie since walking out of seeing Terminator the first time back in the day, have loved the guy ever since. Hell, The Abyss is my favourite by him, followed by Aliens and Terminator, and I just haven't seen anything on this so far that has peaked my interest beyond making me wonder why I'm not stoked for it....and it all comes back to "nothing I've seen or heard so far is very interesting", and I take that as a bad sign. I've been a massive movie geek since I was a young kid, and I still get stoked for various upcoming movies by certain directors/artists etc....but I'm really not feeling this at all. It's a complaint I've seen in talkbacks/message boards on various sites so I know I'm not alone. I'm not a hater for the movie, I really hope it does well and changes my mind - but at the moment I'm only going to see it because, well, it's a Cameron movie, and he's not let me down yet. I have a horrible feeling though that I'm going to walk out of that theatre in a few months time not hating it, not loving it, just thinking "meh". Really hope I'm wrong. And also that Sigourney Weaver is for some reason made up and in costume like she was in Galaxy Quest, except that this time all her clothes fall off, but I guess that really is too much to hope for.
Hint_of_Smegma by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:40:20 AM
Great name. Had to look up Smegma. Wish I hadn't. See, I have that feeling too about this. It doesn't have the H.R. Giger Alien wow factor like you mentioned, although that's not entirely JC's fault. I'm sure some little tyke heads will absolutely explode once that see this, as my head surely did when I first saw T2 in theaters as a young buck. It's a time thing. You get older, you get wiser, and the wow's are fewer and far in between.
gforce....yeah its pretty cool is nt it? by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:42:03 AM
and its just a scriptment, not even an actual script, nevermind a shooting script...
jayretread....seriously dude? Pirahna?? by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:44:03 AM
please man if you want to talk smack about Cameron's talent at least come up with something factual. You do know he never actually directed that movie, right?
About the treatment... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:44:29 AM
If the movie is anything like the treatment, the last thing we have to worry about is it being under whelming or "five years to late". Filming what I have been reading will easily top 300 million. It is epic. It sucks you in bit by bit. He teases everything. The unveiling of the na'vi, the first glimpse of pandora, the first glimpses of the life forms there... It is not only CG assets, but the human fortress and equipment on Pandora is probably going to have to be built for real, and there is a lot more than just the helecopters and mechsuits. As for the subject matter, "five years too late" isn't even remotely accurate. What is being described is all incredibly timely, especially today, it deals a lot with an overpopulated Earth etc... It's all very sharp, very brilliantly thought out. There is no competition. All Cameron needs to do is film what he wrote and he will have a blockbuster that demolishes everything else out there.
southafricanguy by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:44:59 AM
can u send me the original script too? my email is killik0@yahoo.gr
Scoop - ViewMaster; The Movie! Coming soon... by PennsyDeux	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:47:08 AM
http://tinyurl.com/ldr7z8
hint....fair enough dude, but im willing to bet by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:48:47 AM
that you will be proven wrong come this december..lol
Um... SouthAfricanGuy... by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:52:06 AM
I would, err, also like a copy, if that's alright with you, sir. I'm really not as dumbass'd as I think I may appear to be here. I just get so jazzed up on these talk backs. It's a funny haven! And I love a good read even more so. Please. ameribooty@gmail.com :D :D
Excerpt from the treatment... All glory goes to SouthAfricanGuy by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:52:57 AM
Josh hears shots and turns. There is a commotion out on the killing ground. Near the tractors, an enormous animal has burst from the treeline and is charging for the fence. In the dust raised by the giant machines, and with the number of men around, it is difficult for the troopers to get a shot. To make matters worse, the sentry guns have been deactivated in that sector while they bring in the heavy equipment. Almost twice the size of an elephant, the beast is called a HAMMERHEAD TITANOTHERE, and it is like a six-legged rhinoceros. It has a massive, low-slung head with blunt transverse projections of solid bone which give it the look of a hammerhead shark. It is a herbivore, but like the rhino, elephant and hippopotamus, it can be aggressive and deadly. Troopers fire there rifles at the monstrous silhouette charging through the dust clouds, but the rounds have no effect on the armored head and shoulders. A trooper in a powersuit strides between the tractors, trying to get a shot with the GAU 90. Suddenly the beast appears out of the dust at a full thundering charge, and the powersuit is knocked down before the cannon can swing to bear. The bull hammerhead smashes the canopy with one foot as it charges right over the powersuit, pulping the trooper inside. Josh sees the hammerhead close the final distance to the compound fence. It is coming straight toward him. Everyone is firing at once, trying to bring down the twenty ton creature. The ground is shaking in time with its galloping gait. It hits the outer fence, smashing right through it. A powersuit runs forward, striking a firing position, and opens up with its cannon. The GAU 90 rips into the hammerhead, blowing divots out of its shoulder and head. The creature bellows in pain and rage and keeps on coming. Josh pulls his pistol and adds his firing to the general thunder of guns. The hammerhead hits the inner fence. In a blaze of high- voltage arcing, it bulldozes through the chain-link. It stumbles, tripping on the wreckage of the fence, then rises and thunders forward again, filling Josh's vision. BOOM!!! The cannon roars again and the titanothere topples forward, plowing into the ground. It flips and skids, coming to rest in a cloud of dust ten meters from Josh. There is a beat, then... Over the creature's body flows a cat-like shape, big as a tiger. It hits the ground in a ripple of muscle and bounds straight toward Josh. It is a SLINTH. Its venom-injecting spear-like head is cocked back on its powerful neck, ready to strike. Josh raises the pistol, which CLICKS. Empty. He faces his death. Suddenly beside him is N'deh, drawing and aiming his bow in one swift move. The two meter long arrow flies straight into the slinth's throat. It coils over itself in agony like a snake. N'deh knocks another arrow and lets fly. The slinth shudders and lies twitching. N'deh walks forward, stepping on the needle-like head while he removes his arrows. JOSH/AVATAR N'deh. Thank you. N'DEH Luck. (he holds up an arrow) Fishing points not good for killing slinth. The high tech troopers stand around with their blasters, looking at the stone-age arrow that killed the beast. N'deh looks at the dead slinth, then at the body of the titanothere which cleared a path for it all the way into the inner compound. His expression is enigmatic. N'deh takes the blood of the slinth on his finger and draws a line under one eye, then under the other. Honoring the slinth, and its purpose for existence. He starts dragging the carcass to the Samson. Nearby somebody screams. Several hideous insects, almost a foot across, are leaping from the body of the titanothere and trying to fasten their hook-like legs into some of the troopers. With the host dead, the parasitic WOLF-TICKS are looking for a new ride. A frantic burst of firing breaks out, as the soldiers jump around, trying to kill the fast-moving parasites. Nasty place.
ominus..your address failed, I need a different by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:55:17 AM
one
everyonesreimagining....done dude, let me by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:58:38 AM
know if you got it....geeez, im like fucking Santa Claus today lol..
Gforce....apparantly the Hellsgate fortress by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:00:12 AM
was built as a massive practical set...
G-Force - you're mistaking what I meant. by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:00:35 AM
I didn't mean 'five years too late' to apply to the script's content and it's relevance to current issues, I meant that Cameron may be a few years past his prime now - everytime he's released a movie since Terminator, I've been wowed by the tidbits we got beforehand, and blown away on the first viewing of the various movies. I'm not wowed with this, so what I meant was while I think technically he will be flawless, I have a feeling he will have lost the 'feeling' for making an involving film. Like I said, hope I'm wrong, I really do, but none of this grabs me and I wish he hadn't had a 12 year break between films.
southafricanguy by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:01:14 AM
try this: orionas@gmail.com
So this is James Cameron's Avatar by skimn	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:01:22 AM
Just like John Carpenter's ________ ??
THANKS SAG! by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:01:31 AM
YODA MAN!
....Hellsgate fortress... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:02:04 AM
...How the hell has Cameron been able to keep the lid on this thing? If its like the treatment so far its going to be fucking massive.
ominus....it worked, you should have it, let me by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:04:26 AM
know if you got it
Hint_of_Smegma by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:05:06 AM
I had the same worries, that Cameron had maybe lost his touch, like Spielberg... but all he needs to do is film what he wrote in that treatment. Everything I have read so far is spectacular.
Guys....just remember that its only a script by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:06:39 AM
ment, not an actual script. The shooting script was co-written with Leate Kalogordis, and many changes have been made....
EveryonesReimagining....I know where you're coming from by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:07:55 AM
Sounds like we may be among the more, shall we say politely, mature posters here - in years at least. I still get psyched for movies and shows though, although yeah, I left my teen enthusiasms behind long ago. I guess I was just expecting a new Cameron film to 'grab me' in the lead up the way they used to, the way some movies still do. This one just hasn't shown me any image or given me any script tidbit I can get excited about, so I worry that maybe a lot of the enthusiasm for the movie from others here is "CAMERON IS GOD" type thinking rather than looking at what we've seen so far subjectively. I mean on this talkback we've had people throwing out the "raped eyeballs" nonsense for this image of half a blue face. Technical achievement or not, it's not an impressive image as it stands, yet people are pretending it's a herald of the second coming and that we're all getting laid because of it. 'Fraid I don't see it, it's not an image to get worked up over at all.
yeah got it by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:08:01 AM
thank you very
yeah got it by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:08:06 AM
thank you very much
yeah got it by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:08:06 AM
thank you very much
yeah got it by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:08:10 AM
thank you very much
G Force and Southafricanguy by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:11:05 AM
Hope you're both right, guess we'll find out soon enough.
Watch an image from a 3d movie by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:12:08 AM
is like watching a 2d movie blindfolded. dont judge the movie based on a fuckin photoshoped promo pic for a convention. even if cameron shows a trailer in the convention,again it wont give justice to the film.because u need a special theater room and special glasses to watch this thing. jesus christ,what the fuck happened to common sense?
AND nobody cares! by twogunjames	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:14:55 AM
Well, James Cameron and his cohorts seem pretty sure they are reinventing the human experience with this film. Everybody else is just like "Oh, this reminds me of farscape. Cool" and until a trailer hits I'm going to have a shitty attitude about this film. if the trailer sucks, I will continue that attitude right up until I pay $7 to see the movie. Fuckers.
Gettin sick of this shit by Cronkit	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:17:14 AM
I feel like ive been in a peepshow for a year with this movie. Show a fucking trailer already or a titty, something. shit
Ominus, common sense you seem to lack. by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:18:56 AM
It may well be a 3D movie. It is however in the most part, a 2D marketing campaign. Regardless, 2D or 3D, it's not an impressive image even if it is an impressive achievement in digital effects. So forgive me for not creaming my pants over half a pic of a digital Sam Worthington. I'll be happy to come on a talkback after the movie is released and retract my current fears for the films quality, when and if it actually convinces me otherwise. At the moment nothing is doing so. Not seeing the image in 3D has got cock-all to do with it.
Evolution in the treatment... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:21:51 AM
I was worried that Cameron would ignore evolutionary theory in Avatar, but judging by the treatment he definitely hasn't. The treatment explains the evolutionary relations between the species. The slinger, which throws his head is actually really cool. I thought that had sounded so stupid when I first heard about it, but the head is like a small bird with a poison dart, so it cocks and launches its head, and the head glides after the prey, homing in using its wings, eyes, and brain. Then it stabs and poisons. It actually makes a lot of sense.
so u need a 2d image in order by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:22:06 AM
to get interested about a 3d movie? your logic elludes me. its like wanting to see how is the texture of the page,in order to read the book which is printed on. astounding argument.
MY EYES!!! by Robert_Downey_in_blackface	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:23:49 AM
AVATAR IS RAPING MY EYES!!! THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!
James Cameron is not going to show Avatar by Cronkit	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:23:52 AM
Hes going to keep it under his bed forever. He thinks hes Frodo with the fucking ring. Stop being a puss and throw the bitch into the fire.
ok guys, I have to go get some sleep, enjoy by southafricanguy	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:26:22 AM
the scriptment guys. And if anyone else asks for it, all I can say gforce, ominus,geteveryone..pay it forward guys..lol
Why do alien races in Sci-Fi novels... by RighteousBrother	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:35:06 AM
always have a ' in their names, why can't they just be called the Navi? Stupid name anyway....Wookiee....now there's a name for an alien race.
Southafricanguy...... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:35:22 AM
...... is the man.
Re: Cronkit by Cobbio	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:36:25 AM
Cameron should just "throw the bitch into the fire" and stop being a "puss"? Really? For not showing us more trailers, footage, et al before the film comes out? I'm giving you the award for "ADD Bad Attitude Quote of the Day". You really should relax. Because what you wrote represents the most jaded, self-interested viewpoint I can possibly imagine. Know what I mean? I want what I want NOW! I want it NOW! Give me what I want NOW, or you're a TOTAL ASSHOLE! See how juvenile and self-interested that sounds? That's how you're coming across. You will get your trailer. You will get tons of "Avatar" ads and goodies. Don't worry.
Turdontherun, you had a great post until by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:36:26 AM
...the final line, which was pretty petulant and frankly beneath you based on your argument prior to it. I genuinely hope you are right and that this will be the epic scifi movie we've all been waiting for, whether from Cameron or whoever. I simply have a feeling that if this is indeed something so epic in terms of story, concept and evolution, let alone effects and realisation, then I should be feeling a bit more excited about it. I've followed the information that's been released, leaked, reported....I've followed the images of production art, comments by actors invovled and comments from Cameron himself and yet for something that is supposedly going to change the moviemaking world and deliver a science fiction movie to knock our socks off, it is simply not grabbing me in anyway and I fail to understand the seemingly utterly over-the-top enthusiasm from posters around the web. In reference to one of your comments, we both know that many, many people are looking forward to this, yes. Like me however, a lot also feel distinctly underwhelmed. I'll be more than happy if I'm proved wrong.
eye of the occult by BendersShinyAss	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:38:03 AM
I love it!! and look... it's also on comic conn right next to it. geez lay it on thick why don't you?
it will make at lease 1,000,000,000$ by JohnRyder	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:42:23 AM
And I am never wrong. Never! It might not have a 200,000,000 opening, but it will not drop at all(!) for the second week. This has "watch it again and again" written all over it.
Ominus - trying to sound intelligent is not by Hint_of_Smegma	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:50:43 AM
..the same as being intelligent, as your ridiculous comments are illustrating. I don't really want to insult you, but good grief man. Think about the idea you are trying to convey, and maybe you'll see how daft what you're saying is. First of all seeing a 2D marketing image of a 3D movie is like watching a movie blindfolded? WTF? Are you really that dumb? No, it's like seeing an unimpressive 2D marketing image, hence the comments. And if you're idea is that anything less than seeing the entire film in 3D is going to be a terrible experience compared to it's 'glory' in 3D, then most people WILL indeed be disappointed with it, as most people will see it in 2D theatres or on, you guessed it, televisions when it hits DVD. If the only way to enjoy it will be 3D, it's something of a major fuck-up, eh? Get this idea into your head: It is a major science fiction movie from one of the known giants in movie making. It is costing so much money, his reputation hangs on it being a success, but you apparently are saying that one of the most contigent parts of making it a success - it's marketing - appears shit compared to the film itself. Not exactly a way to sell a movie, is it, by putting out 'rubbish' marketing. Not everyone is going to see those posters and think, "yeah, doesn't really grab me that image, but if it was just in 3D - well, that would be THE GREATEST FUCKING THING EVER!!!" Give me a break.
TurdontheRun by BendersShinyAss	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:56:16 AM
Geroge Lucas did the same thing - remember. James Cameron is not going to make the ultimate film that sees aintitcool talkbacks singing praise with only 1 distractor (like the trek boards) no i think Cameron's style doesn't resonate with everyone. that said....... i hope it has more 'true lies' in it than 'Abyse' I hope it's more Terminator 2 than Terminator 1 I hope it has the power of titanic but without all the bullshit that comes before the last hour.
There’s still hope yet Hint Hint by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:59:00 AM
Mind if I call you that? I’d prefer to. I’m not blown away, but there’s still something good about this one I can’t shake off, unlike cheesy sebaceous matter (I’ll stop) - let’s take a cinematic trip shall we, story aside, that’s established. The 60’s and below, stunt dummies, The Ten Commandments swimming pool. The 60’s thru 70’s, you got your epic car chases, Westworld. The 80’s, Oh Man, clay animation, things generally blowing up and/or getting Mel Gibson smashed, lots of guns, lighting effects (Ghostbusters & the best of ‘em, The Last Dragon ending), topped off with a heap of Jean Claude Slo-Mo. The 90’s, T2, that Matrix hubbub, and CGI overkill. The 00’s, nothing. Not even the more hyped than this, I think, one ring to save them all larf. What else could there possibly be to add after all that? What’s the new trick? Can James Cameron own another special effects era Twice? I have watched many interviews with Cameron on Avatar, and when he talks about it, there’s worry there. Worry Is Good. Very good. And the way he's constantly holding this thing back? He wants to knock our sockets off. And yes. That was an eye joke. Keep hope alive brother. I am positive he's thinking a new way.
Hint_of_Smegma by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:04:51 AM
if people go to 2d cinemas to watch a 3d movie,then they are idiots. but not as idiots as the people,who want 2d still images to get impressed for the 3d motion of the movie.. u were saying?
oh big fucking deal by Laserhead	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:08:47 AM
really.
cameron also said by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:10:51 AM
that to fully experience the movie,u need the glasses and a special 3d panel. no wonder he tries hard with the big IT to make 3d hdtv accessible to everyone in the near future. check his intervies in youtube about this.
THE MIST - good idea, poor execution by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:26:27 AM
The idea of an interdimensional portal opening up and it's monster attacking Earth folk is a cool one but the fucking lousy CGI beasties flying around in the supermarket ruined it for me. I didn't like the ending of the main guy shooting his young son only to find out that he didn't need to either, instead of leaving it as a fucked up act of mercy it became a mind fuck twilight zone ending. The best shot in the movie, however, is the shot of the ultra-giant interdimensional monsters walking thru the mist, very memorable and haunting.
actually, I stand corrected.... by ZombieHeathLedger	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:30:30 AM
The flying beasties in the supermarket were more practicals than cgi, still sucked though, so did the tentacles, but the cthulu-esque gigantic monster at the end ruled.
James Cameron. True Lies. by Jay Retread	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:32:50 AM
genius?
Me too, please... by deadfolk	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:47:22 AM
Could someone please send me a copy of the script/treatment or whatever it is? deadfolk@live.com Thanks!
Hey CobbCock!! suck it (cobbio) by Cronkit	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:58:31 AM
You masterbate to the Navi dont you. If you cant understand what people write, then you just sit at home and keep sticking your fingers in your pee hole. Then smell it. You shit filled vage.
Looks cool by moneymouth77	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:11:23 AM
Finally some idea of where this is going. Although I predict a massive let down, it's been talked about for toom long...
by Cobra--Kai	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:31:15 AM
SMACK MY BITCH UP. Is a song by The Prodigy. It has nothing to do with Big Jim Cameron.
Turd, SAG, GForce05 by BubbaDestructo	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:33:19 AM
Totally with you on your perspectives. And V'Shael, you are certainly fair to express your opinions. Besides the Amsterdam (and soon Comic-Con) screenings, the only hype generated is by us geeks. That's good, because it means more money is being diverted to this epic production rather than the promotion/advertising. The Abyss - that movie was like the moon landing in terms of development. Anyone who watched the making of it would agree. Using that nuclear cooling tank, and getting the actors to do those stunts - I just can't see that happening these days with all the legal/regulatory ramifications, etc. And Aliens - $18 million to make that film. And it still holds up today (better than most films out today). The fact that Cameron used only cotton balls and careful lighting to create that climactic nuclear mushroom cloud at the end of Aliens never ceases to amaze me. The man knows how to use practical effects to their maximum. And he will use the new practical/CGI/3-D technology to the maximum on Avatar.
by Cobra--Kai	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:35:12 AM
Poster would have been better if blue dude's eye socket was a bleeding cavity, and our favourite tagline was under the title.
Who cares? by Magnum Opus	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:39:46 AM
About this movie. Other than uber-nerds.
Profiteering does not exist in this dojo by Cobra--Kai	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:40:34 AM
If this film does go HUGE then it might be an idea to snaffle up a bit of memorobilia. Begging the One-Sheet from your local theatre, putting your name down to get the standee after the run's finished, etc. That shit can sell for a lot of money after the event.
Holy Mother Of Fuck! by Motoko Kusanagi	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:52:05 AM
Sweeeeeeet. A V A T A R. FUCKING YOUR EYEBALLS IN 2009.
REAL NA'VI ARE INTELLIGENT AND TALK by ebonic_plague	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:13:30 PM
Needs more dead raped deer, IMO.
Glow in the dark pimples! by morGoth	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:19:21 PM
What a great idea...makes things a lot easier...just turn out the lights and get to it.
At least it'll be better than Viewmaster (barf) by WalkenLives	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:30:54 PM

in the na'vi, you can swim in alien seas! by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:32:00 PM

in the na'vi, you can run and jump with ease! by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:32:40 PM

Hopefully We'll Get To See Some Footage Soon by LaserPants	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:33:51 PM
This looks pretty enough, but, cmon, its not THAT great. I want to see some STUFF, you know what I mean?
in the na'vi, you can start an uprising for the land! by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:33:57 PM

in the na'vi, can't you see the aliens need a hand? by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:34:42 PM

suddenly, fat girls with japanese names on thier livejournal by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:36:37 PM

even though they're from arkansas feel vindicated by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:37:29 PM
a furry movie.
"You mean we have no weapons of any knd?" by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:48:43 PM
I can't wait until this PG-13, bloodless, actionless (and make no mistake, giant CGI fighting giant CGI is not action - it's just noise) story of an injured astronaut who can't protect a paper bag falling in love with a blue Thundercat finally gets released to theaters and the 3D and CGI are both met with MASSIVE apathy from an audience with such a short attention-span that they can't really see any difference between it and BEOWULF. The era of even mild audience discrimination is over - it's OW! MY BALLS now. If the audience feels that their mental bellies are filled, they're content 'til the next bread and circus donkey show.
Bottom Line - by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:49:29 PM
this loots crap.
Na'vi is a member of Blue Man Group? by jawsfan	Jul 3rd, 2009 12:54:20 PM
Really? Didn't know that.
Ahhhhh my virginal eyeballs! by Series7	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:15:30 PM
Meh. I've had better.
My Eyeballs Got Fucking Bored by ScottinDC	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:29:16 PM
I stand by it - this movie is fucking hype without cause. I just can't get excited about it...I certainly hope it's interesting but I don't get all the buzz.
ThusSpakeSpymunk by Kief_Ledger	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:29:23 PM
regardless of its pg-13 rating (which I'm sure it will be with the money at stake), the MPAA has usually been much more lenient with blood and violence against aliens. I don't know how hardcore this movie will be, I'm just saying don't be 100% sure this'll be a soft pg-13
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:35:58 PM
Hey friend, how are you? I bet you must be in eight heaven with all this new goodies about AVATAR.
Motoko Kusanagi by AsimovLives	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:37:06 PM
I would be disapointed if you didn't posted your eyeball fucking coment.
I fear the hype might kill this movie by AsimovLives	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:41:16 PM
I fear the hype might make expectations run too wild and make we expect the impossible, that nobody could ever deliver, not the very best top genious director in the whole history of cinema. This is why i have starting to hate hype of any kind. It was a miracle how i mannaged to control myself for the hype that surrounded TDK last year. But mannaged i did, and thankfully as well. The way i see it, i think it's for the best to be skeptical, even when we have a good feeling about it. Evne if the movie looks to have all things in the right place, cuatious optimism is still the best course, instead of emo gushings. It worked wonders for me about TDK, and i intent to keep that way for Avatar, even if i have a food feeling about it. Temperance, man, temperance!
True Lies OWNS YOUR ASSES!!! You Geeks are FIRED!!! by Johnno	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:42:53 PM
While I'm not one to moan about blood and violence, people who watched the Amsterdam footage commented about how you could see the Na'vi/Avatar get hurt and bleed and you could see the muscle and bone and it was all photorealistic CG! Besides as others mention Dark Knight was PG-13, is that a pussy film??? As for marketing James Cameron is PURPOSELY holding back the hype. He doesn't want to hype the movie and wants it to be discovered on its own merits. The trailer he's cutting is being made knowing that the majority of you asshats will not be seeing it in 3D but instead over the internet, most of you on fucking Youtube! So instead of emphasizing the 3D he's putting out something that just shows Pandora. And besides the blue face thing is an obvious fucking teaser image. Apparently Cameron plans to use those 3D animated lenticular posters. Get with the program.
Blue Man Group by AsimovLives	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:43:03 PM
Wow, somebody mentioned that group here. And yeah, maybe the Avatar is a member of that group. Show him a cellphone and he will stare at it in bewilderment for hours.
True Lies by AsimovLives	Jul 3rd, 2009 01:44:38 PM
While i enjoyed it, it was the first movie that Cameron made that disapointed me. I saw it, but it was like it was not made by Cameron, except for the big action stuff. Well, not exactly the first Cameron movie that disapointed me, there was also Piranha 2!
Show me footage or fuck off by Geomancer21	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:06:21 PM
Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. I miss the days when an eyeball fucking trailer would come out of nowhere and blindside you, even on movie sites. hype kills, hasn't anyone learned this by now? The final product never lives up to it. So far I have not seen anything that hasn't already been in a dozen games and a hundred anime. Frankly, i'm not impressed. The production art looks like something from Star wars or halo, the photos are a joke, "oooh Jimmy in a chair, pointing", or that Mecha leg that could have been from G-Savior or robocop. The storyline mentioned so far looks right off the production line in japan (though James is a fan so I guess its understandable). Look, i'm not saying its going to suck, on the contrary, I'll probably like the movie, But this "excitment" over word of mouth, summaries and poor quality leaked photos is just too much. So me some eyeball fuckery and then i'll have something to get excited about.
Geomancer21 by ominus	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:19:36 PM
enter the troll
ominus by AsimovLives	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:21:04 PM
A troll is not somebody who disagress with you.
Sam Worthington....... by planescrashdown	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:24:26 PM
.... needs all the CGI work in the whole of Australia to chissel a character out of him. he can't even spell wooden!
Oh yeah. Great picture. by strosmer	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:30:08 PM

WOW! HALF A BLUE FACE, WITH A GOLDEN EYE, IN SPACE... by Womb_Raker	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:31:08 PM
...I'M FUCKING SOLD!
AICN NON-EXCLUSIVE!!: A picture of a piece of tarp. by AzulTool	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:41:38 PM
It's magical.
OMG! IT'S A MAGAZINE PAGE!!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 02:46:22 PM
faints
PANTHRO!! by jackknifed_juggernaut	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:28:03 PM
Thundercats HOOOO!!!
AsimovLives by rogueleader66	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:50:14 PM
Ahhh yet something else we agree on, I have said from the get go that the hype could very well destroy this movie. The hype being generated by the fans could very well build to the point where the expectations are so high that anything less than a full out masterpiece will be considered a disappointment. Now, I have also said that there is ample reason to be excited as it is the first Cameron film in over 12 years and his return to sci-fi. But some are already anointing it the crown jewel of the 21st century and that is a bit much. I am interested and getting a bit excited for it, but I am also cautious as well. Hype can definitely kill a movie, there is no doubt.
Hype? by nodge	Jul 3rd, 2009 03:53:38 PM
I'm a huge Cameron fan. I've been constantly checking blogs, film news sites etc once the hu-ha died down following Titanic (yes, I'm a fan - not his best but still fab, Aliens being the pinnacle). I'll get back on track now - what hype? The only "hype"I've got are from Cameron fans on the various boards (good stuff) and non fans (what are you doing here? Are you the sons/ daughtets of Michael Bay?). That's a cheap shot, but there you go. There is no hype for this movie at the moment apart from the relatively few people knocking around the boards. NOBODY outside of these boards knows anything - and that's a lot of people. Roll on December 18th.
one of the BlueMan (men) has gone solo? by future help	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:02:12 PM
good luck.
I would give head to anybody by standundermyumbrella	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:06:13 PM

Hey, I didn't know Michael Jackson was in this. by AzulTool	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:07:13 PM
You know you're a VIP if you get to party-down in the NAMBLA luxury suite at the Staples Center funeral.
I would give head to anybody by standundermyumbrella	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:08:04 PM
willing to sell me their comic con tickets Any takers
Good luck in the butt by Cronkit	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:08:08 PM

Note to Cameron Lucas did this in 2005 by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:32:26 PM
with Revenge of the Sith. You fail!!
It's a blue face.... by smackfu	Jul 3rd, 2009 04:40:20 PM
P.S. James Cameron likes TITBAG.
FIRST!!!! by dudemandude	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:08:15 PM
fuck yeah!
re "the hype" by DocPazuzu	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:17:55 PM
Some of you whiny shitgarglers really need to look up the word.
WE DID SEE IT..ON SEVERAL OTHER SITES 3 DAYS AGO! by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:33:16 PM

its a gray face with a catnose. those who have said blueman by ironic_name	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:41:47 PM
can go die
Can someone send me the scriptment? by betterlookingthanyou	Jul 3rd, 2009 05:56:32 PM
The image looks great, can't wait to see what comes out next week. If anyone has it can you send it to me at Timpowtimpow@yahoo.com? I'd appreciate it.
illuminati by Pee_Tear_Griffin	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:24:44 PM
This is about opening your conscious to the other dimensions we exist in. It is part of the propaganda to help us achieve the next step of getting closer to "one". It is what all the prophecies of "apocalypse" is trying to reveal to us. The Mayans, Hopi, Hindus, Buddhists, red hats, yellow hats, etc. predict. The "truth" so to speak. We all know that a small group of men control the world. We just are told that it's a lie. Yet, we know. Kinda feel it's not a lie. This movie is about taking the next step. Actually listening to that small voice. Then we could realize. It's all imperfect. We as humans cannot be perfect. Only nature can be perfect. Nature does not waste. Everything is symbiotic. Including, time and space. Scientists have even recently discovered organisms larger than galaxies. With the development of quantum physics, we had a scientific way of verifying what we had "sensed" all along. The movies like What the Bleep and Waking life and now Avatar. The "secret society guys" help usher us into the new way of life. The next level of conscious, the idea of one. The Mayas predicted it. They also predicted suffering and chaos. At least we would have evolved.
Ummm... by Pee_Tear_Griffin	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:25:42 PM
Totally f&%#in blazed right now
oh yea! by Pee_Tear_Griffin	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:30:45 PM
If the aliens come. Get on the ships.
Hundreds were rushed to the hospital after viewing Avatar by Orionsangels	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:35:17 PM
They were treated for shock.
word by Pee_Tear_Griffin	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:37:13 PM
word
Sarah Palin sees 20 minutes of Avatar - resigns as by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:37:31 PM
Governor of Alaska. She said, "I just compete with James Cameron.
by Pee_Tear_Griffin	Jul 3rd, 2009 06:41:42 PM
what?
So I hear... by SilentSentient	Jul 3rd, 2009 07:09:10 PM
Some people are paying forward the scriptment... I would love a little looksie... silentsentient@googlemail.com If anyone were to be so kind.
"MY EYES, MY EYES. WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAMPER WITH THE UNIVERS by damiz707	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:09:07 PM
Saw Lea Thompson's name on the other article and thought of this. So y'all know what movie it's from?
Pee_Tear_Griffin by DoctorWho?	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:30:13 PM
Is that you BSB?...don't be coy.
I'md excited for this panel by Count3d	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:35:42 PM
Comic-Con, hurry up and get here!
Palin is a quitter! by Six Demon Bag	Jul 3rd, 2009 08:44:20 PM

How did the Palin fuck crap by dirtsandwich	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:06:47 PM
make into the Avatar thread? The only 3D related to her would be 3Dicks in her face. And to think that you Republicunts wanted her as Vice President....WTF! As for the Avatar banner. That's Jake's avatar. It's more human then the Na'vi. Jake's avatar is the main role of the film.
Exclusive Avatar Na'vi full face view by mxm1	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:18:44 PM
See a proper full face view here. http://mxm.enjin.com
Count3D by DrMorbius	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:55:47 PM
If you sit in front of me at Comic Con, please don't wear a big hat.
mxm1 by dudemandude	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:56:34 PM
exclusive shite you mean, that just a photoshop job. mirror images. trying to be FIRST and instead you jumped the gun brotha.. you got served!
ThusSpakeSpymunk...... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 09:59:37 PM
You haven't read the scriptment have you. Avatar is just as badass as Aliens and T2. It is definitely not "bloodless" or PG-13. There is all sorts of dismemberment, sex, and bad language. The scriptment is R rated, whether the film will be R rated I don't know.
ITS....A....COOKBOOK by DrMorbius	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:03:01 PM
Oh, wait, this isn't the TWILIGHT ZONE TB?
SilentSentient..... by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:11:34 PM
Scriptment sent
AVATAR by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:23:40 PM
Fucking the world's eyeballs in 2009!!! No one is safe... Not even babies.
Avatar - making theaters empty in 2009 by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 3rd, 2009 10:39:14 PM

GForce05, you liar. by Mr. Moe	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:35:00 PM
There is nothing in this scriptment that deserves an 'R' rating. This is PG-13 through & through.
Mr. Moe by GForce05	Jul 3rd, 2009 11:45:13 PM
I'm lying? What do you call scenes with guys getting impaled on the ends of alien venom spikes... Guys getting spattered under alien feet... Scenes with doe eyed aliens getting ripped to shreds with gattling guns, a suicide scene, etc... That's PG-13? Since when? The Na'vi aliens breasts are referred to over and over again as being immaculate. Jesus, just read the excerpt that I posted above and tell me that it has the tone of a PG-13 movie. It's "Aliens" meets "Dances with Wolves". Aliens was R, and Dances with wolves was a hard PG-13. Avatar isn't a family film, it has the tone of an adult movie.
Who cares anyway.... by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 12:33:57 AM
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that is all PG-13 content. I don't really care. I know it is still going to be a rad movie because the scene described by the people who say advanced footage follow the scriptment almost exactly, and the scriptment is fucking awesome. It's like Jurassic Park/Dances With Wolves/Aliens
I LIKE TURTLES. by gruemanlives	Jul 4th, 2009 01:29:57 AM
I LIKE TURTLES.
nodge by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 03:05:47 AM
The only "hype"I've got are from Cameron fans on the various boards Every oak started as an acorn.
nodge by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 03:13:41 AM
"The only "hype"I've got are from Cameron fans on the various boards" Every oak started as an acorn.
this picture of sarah palin, makes me feel funny by ironic_name	Jul 4th, 2009 05:00:50 AM
http://is.gd/1n480
Hey Asimov, hows it going dude? by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 05:06:30 AM
hope you have been keeping well. Yeah I really dont know what all this "hype" is that some are getting their panties in a twist over. As you say its only some over zealous types with the whole "eye ball fucking" thing, which was started on this fucking site. Geez some people here are desperate to hate this film, looking for anything to latch onto....Locksbrokenleg...dude, please stop passing off your desires/dreams as reality. Neither you nor I can 100% predict anything about the success of Avatar. However, given Cameron's track record at the B.O (which must really piss you off) im willing to bet it does just fine. Are you willing to take a gentlemans wager dude? And if you are wrong come December, will you admit it?
And I really dont get why so many so called by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 05:28:25 AM
geeks/genre fans are so wanting to hate this film or for it to fail. This is the one big budget, risky, and original sci-fi/action/adventure film we are getting this year. Are nt we all sick of the never-ending remakes/reboots/sequals/prequa ls? Well if this does fail, then thats probably all we can look forward to, but if it succeeds big, then maybe studios may be willing to take more of a chance on risky sci-fi projects. Nevermind that I have no idea how anyone that is a fan of either sci-fi or action is nt excited by the prospect of an epic space opera made by the guy that did Aliens and the first two terminator films, teamed with Stan Winstons last work, Weta and Digital domain, and many of the best conceptual artists working today, and cutting edge fx (with a real attempt to push fx forward).
Hey Gforce.....I take it you liked the by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 05:39:40 AM
scriptment.....
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 08:06:47 AM
There's also Moon this year, which is also not a remake/reboot/sequal/prequel/n ew-scheme-engineed-by-greedy-e xecutives-to-get-even-richer.
Hey Asimov....u r so right my friend, and lets by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 08:18:24 AM
not forget District 9, however if you read carefully dude I did say big budget and I did say sci-fi action.....Thus there is only Avatar.
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 09:16:53 AM
You are right, that JJ's Star Trek fraud does not count as big budget SF as well. The old Star trek was SF. This new badly made parody that's a defacto remake of Star Wars is not SF, but some form of fantasy that just happens in space. for i long time i have done that battle, that Sw is not really SF, but a type of fantasy. just because it's set in space and shas spaceships doesn't automatically maketh SF. I'm inspired to this because i have seen too many people for whom they think SF starts and ends with Star Wars, which is ridiculous.
southafricanguy by BubbaDestructo	Jul 4th, 2009 09:44:34 AM
Yes - I agree with you re: sci-fi and so-called 'fans' of sci-fi bashing everything and anything. Personally in terms of 'original' sci-fi, Moon and District 9 are my stepping stones towards the epic-ness that will be Avatar. I suppose you could throw in The Road (if you consider that sci-fi) and 9 (that animated film looks great). Thinking about it, this is a great year for sci-fi fans!
TITBAG...how about you just fuck off and die? by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 09:59:36 AM
Fuck, but are you one insane, obnoxious cocksucker. Go finger bang your mom in your trailerpark and leave the talking to the adults....hmmkay princess?
Asimov...agree with you dude, Star wars by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 10:07:40 AM
(much as I love it) isnt really sci-fi in the strictest sense. But at the same time what constitutes sci-fi is quite broad Asimov, we could argue all night and day about what is and isnt sci-fi. Personally I think Star Wars is a complete mixture of Sci-fi and Fantasy. Trek is more traditional sci-fi if you like (or at least it used to be). I love hard edged sci-fi the most, but I dont mind some fantasy elements. I guess thats why I like Cameron's particular brand of sci-fi, its hard edged imho, and no matter what fantasy type elements he uses he always tries to ground it in reality as much as possible.....
bubbadestructo....agree with you dude by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 10:10:07 AM
looking forward to district 9 and Moon (great run ups to Avatar) and man you are so right about 9, that is one damn cool looking animted film....
GForce05 many thanks... by SilentSentient	Jul 4th, 2009 10:14:08 AM
Just need to set about some time now to read the scriptment... looking forward to it. Hope JC hits it out of the park with this movie. Also looking forward to watching Moon...(sans New)!
silentsentient...glad you got it dude, and glad by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 10:28:45 AM
gforce passed it along......
Yep.... by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 10:36:35 AM
SouthAfricanGuy gave it to me, after I promised to suck his coc... I mean praise his name for eternity.
SouthAfricanGuy... by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 10:40:34 AM
Yeah, I agree with what you were saying about hard core Scifi. That's also why I like Cameron. He doesn't have the bullshit that, say, a Spielberg puts into his Scifi movies. Ex. Minority Report when those three mediums can read peoples thoughts after taking drugs... uhhhhh... BULLSHIT. And yet that was what the entire movie was based on. Hey, if they want to make a movie about seeing the future why don't they base it on a computer that calculates the entire universe as a mathmatical function starting from the big bang, and therefore has calculated everything that has ever, and will ever, happen. Now THAT would be interesting.
The Road is SF by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 10:40:54 AM
Another good entry on the genre from this year, indeed. Well, this year, we will need all the good Sf we can get, because so far, this year has been a complete shit in that regard, starting with Watchmen and ending with Terminator 4. This year has been the valley of shadows for SF so far!
....... by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 10:42:50 AM
By the way, I copyrighted that idea. No bullshit. So don't think about stealing it. I sent it to myself as a timestamped email six years ago, so if you use it I'll just pull that email off Yahoo with the date and time. Boo-ya!
GForce05 by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 10:44:53 AM
You should had read Philip D. Dick's original short story from which the movie was based. Philip K. Dick never wrote hard SF, because he had little understansding of science slike physics, but he knew a lot about psychology, socieology, and he had a huge encyclopedic knowledge about literature, humanistics and Wagner. Those inspired him to also write seme of the most intriguing SF ever created in USA. I'd like for you to read, if you can, one of his major works, Valis. It's not one of his easiest books, but the stuff that is in there are mindblowing!
GForce05 by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 10:46:33 AM
"the entire universe as a mathmatical function starting from the big bang, and therefore has calculated everything that has ever, and will ever, happen." There's a movie about that notion already, it's caled KNOWING, staring Nicholas Cage.
AsimovLives by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 10:53:36 AM
Yeah, I know it was based on a book. I'll try and read it one of these days. But Spielberg also butchered a very hard SF book, War of the Worlds. Wells book showed understanding of evolutionary theory, and therefore the aliens were non-humanoid, and had a very difficult time moving under Earths heavier gravitation pull. Spielberg, however, decided to make his aliens humanoid, even though the odds are stacked ridiculously against this from a biological stand point, and they walk around Earth fucking NAKED even though they arrived in FUCKING SPACECRAFT, its absolutely retarded. And yeah, Avatar has humanoid aliens, but that's different, that is a fantasy concession that Cameron is making because Avatar is a love story at heart. However, Spielberg's War of the Worlds would have only benefited by having the most monstrous, unhuman-like, freak show aliens that survival of the fittest could muster. Ex. Octopod-twelve eyed, insect jawed monstrosities that would have scared the shit out of people.
AsimovLives by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 10:56:01 AM
Knowing... I think I saw that when I was really drunk once. I think the difference is that Cage was a human that could see the future, which would be impossible, whereas, it might not be so impossible for a computer, a really fucking big computer, to do this one day.
SouthAfricanGuy... by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 11:00:11 AM
I'm sorry. I'm a fucking asshole. You're really smart. I'm a dumbass. Though if you look back through the posts I did promise to suck someones cock for a treatment.... That offer is now null and void however as I said I was just joking and under business law article 3, code 7, paragraph 13 that invalidates the dick sucking offer.
Shit.... by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 11:03:47 AM
I scared everyone away. Mother fucker...
gforce....uh..ok dude...im not sure I really want by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:05:11 AM
to know whos cock you offered to suck....anyway.....so what did you think of the scriptment overall dude?
Asimov....I prefer Heinlein myself. Stanger by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:06:54 AM
in a strange land, starship troopers etc...Also like Frank Herbert. Like some of Dicks stuff, but it can get a bit much...
Valis by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 11:06:58 AM
What is that about?
Asimov....Edger Rice Burroughs stuff is also by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:11:56 AM
really cool imho....John Carter of Mars..
gforce....have you been celebrating the 4th of by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:12:40 AM
july?
SouthAfricanGuy by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 11:16:40 AM
...Anyway, yeah, the treatment. I thought it was great! It reminds me a lot of this old seventies graphic novel called Elf Quest. The love story, and the rivalry.... I think this movie is going to be fucking phenomenal. And I couldn't care less if it flops. That is the kind of attitude I have too when I do things, so I relate to Cameron in that way. I think a lot of others do too, a so I think the genius has a blockbuster on his hands.
southafricanguy by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 11:18:27 AM
Am I celebrating the 4th of july? So you are asking if I am American. Yes. But I have fucked up hours due to the job hunt, 9.5% unemployment here.
cool gforce...though I hope it succeeds by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:19:17 AM
because I would like to see Cameron get to complete the planned trilogy he has for Avatar....
gforce....hey its about 30% unemployment by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:22:50 AM
in South Africa dude. Even harder to get a job...
SouthAfricanGuy by GForce05	Jul 4th, 2009 11:32:01 AM
I sent you an email about work I know of in America...
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 12:14:42 PM
The thing i have a problemw ith Heinlein is that he always puts this crypto-fascist elements to his stories, even STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND, which many people saw it as a hippy boook style but in true it's quite the oposite, it's the story of Jesus as an alien and quite concervative in it's subtext and message. and the least i have to say about Starship Troopers, the better. Let me jsut say that i'm rather on the THE FOREVER WAR camp, if you understand what i'm saying.
Valis by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 12:24:22 PM
Man, i wouldn't even know how to begind to describe Valis. i could point you to the wikipedia page on the book, but i think they ruin a major plot twist in it, so in all honesty i can't alow you to know the book from there. If i had to describe it, it would be like there's this guy who one day gets a message directly into his brain from a strange alien entity which seems to be very powerful and very knowledge, and he startes to write this enourmous bible-like book that containts the knowledge he was gained. his close friends think he's crazy, but strange things start to happen that give some credence to the reciever's claim. one day, they go watch this little low budget SF movie, a sort of The Man Who Fell to Earth type movie (yes, the story is set in the 1970s), the mvoie is totally art-house weird, and as they come out of the movie they start to realsie they were bombarded with strange subliminal imagery with connects to the visions and the mensage that the reciever guy got and put into writing. so, they decide to try visit the guy responsible for the book, which turns out is a major and very important rock figure of that time, a sort of mix between David Bowie, Peter Gabriel from his Genesis time and Brain Eno. And a major revelation is gained about the future of Earth, and also about how all of know history have ben in fact an illusion. And i'm not even telling the story's twist yet. Really, if you dig this kind of stories, SF with an edge, Valis is your man. and the ebst thing about all this? It was based on a real event that happeend on Philip K. Dick's life, which one day be belived he was hit by a lazer from an alien oring and it discharged lots of buig truh to his brain and he spent 4 years writing it all down on paperl He later described that event of his life as a magnificent act of lunacy. And he took all that craziness and made a book out of it. Now that's what i call an artist.
30% unemployment in South Africa? by AsimovLives	Jul 4th, 2009 12:26:29 PM
Samll wonder the people there are so upset with the extra-terrestrials arriving and "stealing" their jobs.
Meh, I have no doubt the movie will be badass... by Geomancer21	Jul 4th, 2009 12:51:57 PM
but every article here talking about the film shows nothing of any significance. we get to READ about OTHER PEOPLE seeing the film, or clips of the film and saying how great it is but we get shown nothing. Not a trailer, not a teaser, not even real screen shots. nothing. why should i care if a bunch of people saw 20 mins of it and loved it? I wasn't one of them. I wasn't shown a clip. Just as people callimg a movie crap, or racist or whatever other stupid shit they can pull from their ass to bad mouth a film isn't going to make me not want to see a film, i can't get excited about a film based on what other people say. Especially the filmakers themselves or other people who have vested interest in whether it does well or not. I trust Jimmy, I like Jimmy. But I judge for myself, and right now, I have nothing by which to make a judgement
CAN YOU F*CK IT? by dr sauch	Jul 4th, 2009 01:00:17 PM

SMURFS! THE MOVIE by uberman	Jul 4th, 2009 02:20:40 PM
That IS a Smurf, right?
Hey SAG by TheNewDirector	Jul 4th, 2009 03:19:23 PM
Hey man, can you send me scriptment as well?? Oh and props to Stranger In A Strange Land, one of my fav. sci-fi books. And to all the haters, fuck off, this is James Fucking Cameron, the guy made Aliens and T2, those movies were the stepping stones for me to love film in the first place.. SAG email is lovingavatar247@gmail.com
GForce05... by Mr. Moe	Jul 4th, 2009 03:58:10 PM
There is no more violence in Avatar than say Lord of the Rings. LOTR had impalings, heads chopped off, etc… And like LOTR, Avatar will get away with PG-13 because most of the violence happens to fantasy creatures. As for the alien breasts, well, the X-Men movies had Mystique walking around fully nude. Also, the Avatar scriptment wasn’t even close to being as violent as Aliens, it just had more action. Honestly, after reading Avatar I felt like I had read the script for the next Hayao Miyazaki film. Reminded me a lot of Princess Mononoke. Great script, but defiantly not an R rated one.
THUNDERCATS HOOOOOOOOOOOO! by lockesbrokenleg	Jul 4th, 2009 05:17:51 PM
First thing I thought of when I saw that.
SouthAfricanGuy.. by SilentSentient	Jul 4th, 2009 06:30:04 PM
...guess we ultimately owe you for this scriptment so props for that.. but remember I never promised to fellate anyone ;) Mt gratitude only goes so far.. Oh yeah.. District 9..kinda pumped for that also... Never heard of 9 but googled and it does sound kinda cool too.
There is no way possible that , whatever movie by kendragon	Jul 4th, 2009 07:58:33 PM
Cameron makes,is going to live up to the ridiculous amount of hype that has built up around it. It will be a shame that what will probably be a great movie with a great story is going to come across as a failure because it never stood a chance.
no hype...yet by Six Demon Bag	Jul 4th, 2009 08:14:24 PM
hype comes from cameron or from the studios trying to get their money back...this has yet to happen...i STILL dont know what the fuck this movie is about. AND THAT IS A GOOD THING!!! until its plastered all over times square and fucking "vjs" on MTV are showing me clips and my son knows what its about, there is no HYPE. GI JOE has more hype than AVATAR.
I JUST FUCKED THAT EYEBALL by J-Dizzle	Jul 4th, 2009 08:49:13 PM
Hah! Take that Avatar! Just when you think you can fuck my eyeballs, I splooge on one of yours!
Hey newdirector, whats up dude? I have sent by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:02:25 PM
you the scriptment, let me know if you got it.
SDB, hey hows it going my friend? Still hot as by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:07:48 PM
hell in Texas? Its so fucking humid here in Korea now dude. Thanks for putting that into perspective. Exactly dude, fucking gijoe has more hype, where all this "hype" is for Avatar I also have no idea as no-one outside of uber-geek sites like this has even heard of it...
silentsentient.....dont worry dude, I never by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:09:31 PM
asked for any pole smoking as payment, that was purely an over-share from gforce..lol. He was obviously pretty drunk...
Asimov....hmm, I think that subtext is there by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:13:11 PM
in Heinleins work, but I think its only a problem if you are easily offended by someone elses socio-political beliefs. Someone could be just as offended by Dicks hippy/druggy pov, so I think a lot of it has to do with what you as a person bring to the material as well....
SAG--not that bad today by Six Demon Bag	Jul 4th, 2009 11:15:17 PM
gonna go yell at my neighbors now --almost midnight and they're still popping loud ass firecrackers outside..freaking my wife out, thinking our house is gonna go up in flames...how are you?
ANd yeah Asimov, the high unemployment by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:15:37 PM
rate plays a big part in fueling the xenophobia shown towards all the African immigrants in the black townships. You know, competition for resources....And thats a big part of what they are tapping into with District 9 from the look of it...
im good SDB, so are the 4th of July celebrati by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:29:05 PM
ons quite crazy in the states? BTW SDB, what are your thoughts on the gijoe movie?
I ve been really dismissive of it and I thought by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:36:18 PM
the clip we saw with those accelarator suits was fairly bad, but after how bad TF2 was, and thinking about how fun the first Mummy was, and that Sommers did tn write this (apparantly Stuart Beatties script is fairly good according to some sites that have reviewed it). Just maybe it will actually be the fun, light action/adventure movie thats been missing this Summer (unless we count the new trek, sorry Asimov dont hate me lol)
What do you think of the casting of gijoe SDB by southafricanguy	Jul 4th, 2009 11:37:25 PM
?
WARNING Watching Avatar could kill you! by Orionsangels	Jul 5th, 2009 01:09:04 AM

Avatar will change lives, the universe and everything. by Orionsangels	Jul 5th, 2009 01:09:46 AM

Avatar vs Transformers 2 by standundermyumbrella	Jul 5th, 2009 01:39:30 AM
Who will make more money? Anybody read Verns review? Megatron lives in a cave in space with Starscream and The Fallen, who if I understood correctly just sits in a throne all day shatting out slimy baby robots and complaining about the Prime brothers and how they’re the only ones who can “defeat” him. So Megatron goes back to earth (jesus, I just got home, you’re sending me back already?) to kill Optimus Prime so that The Fallen can come down and get the secret symbols from “the boy” and use those to find a secret tomb where his brothers sacrificed themselves to hide The Matrix, not the movie but a piece of metal that can power a machine that nobody noticed was hidden inside one of the pyramids and that will destroy the sun in order to do something else although I honestly forget what it was, but it was evil. I remember that much. I think the robot Starscream has to stay home and take care of the babies, but I’m not sure. http://outlawvern.com/2009/06/ 30/transformers-revenge-of-the -fallen/#more-5389
The only overhyped part by Teddy Artery	Jul 5th, 2009 02:17:18 AM
of Avatar on the Net is the computer animation, which should really be the least important in terms of enjoying the film. I could care less how many people worked on "widow-maker" effects shots, just let me get into story and character.
Sadly, Transformers 2. by imagin78	Jul 5th, 2009 02:22:12 AM
Unfortunately, Transformers 2 will make more money. That sort of lowbrow humor is just more accepted by the masses. It will make around $470 million in North America and probably $1.1 billion worldwide. I see Avatar making Lord of the Rings level grosses. $350 million domestic and perhaps $800 million global. The one wildcard is that it does come out in the Titanic slot where it has the dead zone of winter to rack up a lot of cash. If the movie is as great as it could be, it can beat TF2 in those slow early 2010 months when it will have the IMAX and 3D screens all to itself.
IS gonna steal all the thunder of competition at COMICON by standundermyumbrella	Jul 5th, 2009 02:37:02 AM
poor iron man 2
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	Jul 5th, 2009 04:24:46 AM
Let me just say that i have a terrible alergy to all things fascist, and i can detect the minimum amount of hidden fascism, no matter how hard they try to disguise it. It's a pretty much cultural thing to us portugueses, on account we suffered so much form true fascism, a fascist dictatorship that lasted for 38 years and which, even today, there's still scars to mend. So, yeah, i have a big problem with anything even remotly fascist, and i can sniff that shit a mile away. And Starship Troper is FASCIST, through and through. It's a very well writen book with ots of interesting imagery, but the book is absolutly FASCIST, there's no two ways about it. And ddue, this is from a person who actually likes Red Dawn. Think about it.
Who cares who makes more money? by AsimovLives	Jul 5th, 2009 04:27:16 AM
Who cares who makes more money, Transformers 2 or Avatar? All i acre is which is the best movie. Anmd there's no way in hell that Avatar would lose that battle against Transfomers 2. Which is not saying much in itself, a homevideo showing paint dry would be a better movie then Transformers 2, anyway.
Fair enough dude, I see where you are coming by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 04:29:46 AM
from. What are your thoughts on the gijoe movie Asimov? Are you familiar with the property at all?
good point Asimov re: Avatar vs TF2, wont by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 04:32:00 AM
take much for any movie to be better than TF2, it just needs an actual story, some characterization, or even some thematic content, and you have yourself a better movie...lol
imagin78.....I pretty much agree with your ass by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 06:29:31 AM
essment, I also think LOTR level success. I think it will have legs for Dec, Jan, and even into Feb...
AsimovLives by ominus	Jul 5th, 2009 08:56:23 AM
it is,if he doesnt use arguments or uses arguments.in other words,he is a troll.
SAG-sorry for the delay. by Six Demon Bag	Jul 5th, 2009 09:48:47 AM
iw promised to take my son to TF2, but i told him it wasnt that good. he understood. as for GI joe, thats a NO JOE!!!! i really am disappointed in this one, its something your inner child gets excited about. when i saw the early promo pix of the cst in uniform about a year ago, i knew something was up. then the moving images started surfacing...why is this GI JOE? i "see" Duke and others but thats not what it is. this isnt even the cartoon, which i love guilt-free. it just seems generic. they grabbed a script, deleted the original names and inserted new ones--viola! GI JOE! as with avatar, i think the end credits will be of more quality than anything in TF2. asimov and i do agree on something...cant wait for those TBs.
Yeah...know where you re coming from dude by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 09:55:28 AM
, but at the same time I do like some of the cast. Quaid is perfect for Hawk imho, Ray Park is perfect for Sake-eyes, and they have kept his look iconic. Like the dude playing destro, think Joseph Gordon Levitt is inspired casting for CC, though that new CC design is quite crappy....Somehow im still hoping its fun....Me and my cousin used to watch gijoe:the movie endlessly as kids. Im ashamed to admit it but I can still quote lines of dialouge from that film...lol
I just have a weird feeling that it may turn out by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 10:01:30 AM
to be much better than everyone is expecting. Call it the optimist in me....
SAG--yeah i love the cartoon by Six Demon Bag	Jul 5th, 2009 10:02:03 AM
its just they put these characters into a really shitty direct-to-video bond film..we'll see.
SDB....well, you have to remember dude that by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 10:08:17 AM
the 80s incarnation of gijoe was heavily influenced by the Bond movies. Cobra was modeled on SPECTRE, and cobra commander was modeled on Blofeld. Thus the Bond influence Sommers is bringing to it is nt a minus imho. Personally im far more worried that the film appears to come across (in the traiers anyway) as a completely un-self aware live action team America film..lol. Pyramids? Check! Eiffel Tower getting fucked up? Check! etc...
SAG--yeah we'll see.. by Six Demon Bag	Jul 5th, 2009 10:23:12 AM
if its dumb tongue in cheek my i'll check it out with my son...i DO owe him one. if its insulting on the brain and assaulting my senses nonstop like a certain Bay film...negative. trailers are not hopeful though. do you hear the fued going on between Megan Fox and Bay...shes pretty much talked shit about the film..rightfully so, but hey dont bite the hand that feeds ya! shed stillbe working at hooters if it wasnt for horndog Bay.
lol SDB, well I at least will have some respect by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 10:37:08 AM
for her telling the simple truth, that the film is complete garbage. She has enough of a media profile now that she does nt need that idiot to get work. But she better prove she can act, and soon, or she will have bigger problems to worry about imho....
Jessica Alba by imagin78	Jul 5th, 2009 11:24:30 AM
Megan Fox is the next Jessica Alba. Have you noticed that since Fox has hit the scene, Alba has seemingly gone into hiding? Fox is taking all of her bimbo roles. Megan had better back up her tough talk or she will go the way of Alba into obscurity.
Asimov by imagin78	Jul 5th, 2009 11:29:51 AM
I don't care about box office either. I am just pointing out that the masses eat-up lowest common denominator shit like TF2. I just don't see Avatar beating it at the box office. I would love to be proven wrong though.
imagin78 by AsimovLives	Jul 5th, 2009 02:35:14 PM
The name of James Cameron does carry a lot of weight, even among the so called average audiences, who do know his name. And really, all the advertizement needs is to say "from the director of Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2 and Titanic".
southafricanguy by AsimovLives	Jul 5th, 2009 02:37:26 PM
Frankly, i don't give a shit about GI Joe. The movie might as well not evene xist, as far i'm concerned. It will be the next Wolverine of T4 or Transformers 2 or JJ's Star Trek of the summer, AKA, another big pile of over-budgeted stupid dumb shit. Remember, it's from the director of Van Helsing. Enough said!
Hey SAG by TheNewDirector	Jul 5th, 2009 02:43:43 PM
Yeah I got the scriptment, thanks for sending it, someone else passed it along as well, I'm going to be reading it tonight after I watch Public Enemies at the theaters, ... oh about the money that avatar will make, well , I don't think it matters cause of course its gonna put Bay in his position (as well as many other directors) and its weird someone mentioned the dead of winter and racking up profit , i was thinking that the other day, and i think ppl will be going to see this for a while, could it beat iron jims top movie in ticket sales? im not sure it will , but it has a fighting chance, who knows?
just got back from Public Enemies... by Six Demon Bag	Jul 5th, 2009 03:05:22 PM
geez
SDB by TheNewDirector	Jul 5th, 2009 03:35:38 PM
did you like it? im about to go see it here in 2 hours
yes it was awesome.. by Six Demon Bag	Jul 5th, 2009 03:41:40 PM
didnt think the digital shooting would be good but i hardly noticed..great mann work.
right on by TheNewDirector	Jul 5th, 2009 03:51:38 PM
Nice! I hear the gunbattles are pretty phenomenal, but that is standard for Mann, well its good to know that their is a decent movie this summer
i really dont know how to predict AVATAR by Six Demon Bag	Jul 5th, 2009 04:21:27 PM
i hope it does well, but when you have people rushing en masse to TF2, you kinda figure that it really doesnt matter..i am happy if its a great film..if its on par with his previous outings then i will be elated. yes, inflation and the ticket prices for 3D then yuo can guarantee a huge opening, but will the audieces rush to it?
And The Oscar Goes To... by EveryonesReimagining_or_ER	Jul 5th, 2009 06:46:38 PM
The Manticore!
As a story it will depend on whether Cameron can avoid cliche by G100	Jul 5th, 2009 06:48:05 PM
If the Na'vi are little more than Big Blue loveable "spiritual" eco natives used as an unsubtle metaphor for native Americans, aboriginies and many other Hollywood favourites to paint in a one dimensional way, then Cameron is putting his Titanic sentiment hat on and it will be pretty weak stuff. If he tries to make it more subtle and moraly complex than that and give the Na'vi a truly unique culture that shows us the good AND the bad then it could be very interesting indeed. I still feel we are in for a sci-fi Apocalypto of sorts but if he avoids the usual cliches and paints it with complexity and gives it a bit of a brutal hard edge to it then it might be a very good Movie indeed. The visuals alone should make it incredible Box Office but I'd like to think there's a bit more to it than that.
Hey Turd....hows it going dude? You make by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 07:19:31 PM
some very interesting points about Avatar. I too think it will have very long legs due to no real competition and that 3D films play longer. But as you say if its that next pop culture event, then people are going to go back and see it again and again anyway.....
G100.....yeah dude, hopefully thats the case by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 07:21:46 PM
but I have faith that Cameron's smart enough to know how much is at risk here, and I truly believe he has been taking notes from the last few years as to why some thngs worked and others did nt (TPM as opposed to LOTR.) imho...
Thenewdirector...cool dude, just saw your by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 07:23:00 PM
post asking for it, but did nt see anyone offering it to you...
G100 by Mr. Moe	Jul 5th, 2009 07:36:13 PM
The Na'vi are a metaphor for Native Americans. That was obvious from the start. And yes they are spiritual, but this leads to a very interesting aspect that reminded me of Princess Mononoke. The story here is great, but your idea of complexity is something too abstract to ever work in a story. You take out your so called cliches then you really dont have anything to work with, and you lose the metaphor altogether.
Question by imagin78	Jul 5th, 2009 08:21:15 PM
Will Avatar get a best picture nomination? Up seems to be a lock. The Hurt Locker and Public Enemies have a shot. I figure that Cameron's past success with Titanic and the 10 slots make Avatar a sure thing.
imagin78....i think its very possible dude by southafricanguy	Jul 5th, 2009 09:49:34 PM
due in large part to the new 10 nom rule. Which will allow for a broader split of the vote, and more chance for genre films to get in imho. Remember that part of the reason for this is the outcry over TDK not getting nominated (deservedly so imho). Also I believe that if Avatar is so impressive fx wise and it does move fx forward, its possible Cameron will be given a special technical achievement Oscar like Lucas was for Star Wars or John Lasseter was for Toy Story....
Mr.Moe by G100	Jul 5th, 2009 11:01:07 PM
I can't see it being as "on the nose" as that myself. There will be similarities to Native Americans yes, but if he's smart he'll show a society that isn't just a stereotype but quite radical and alien in many ways. There is a way to include a degree of complexity without scarificing it to a simplistic "nice spiritual natives Vs rapacious conquistador/empire humans". For a start they can't just be blue space hippies if they are to take part in a war against the technologically advanced humans. And that might be where Cameron could throw in a curveball of sorts. If the Na'vi defeat the humans using the war tactics and thinking of the human avatar the Movie could ask at what cost ? Perhaps showing the Na'vi adopting some of the less desireable warlike traits they used to repel the "invaders". And since Avatar is, unless I'm mistaken, perhaps going to be a trilogy then it can't end in a simplistic "and the humans go home and peace is restored" way either. It's certainly going to be interesting and I personally hope that Cameron does skew it towards Mononoke rather than a Disneyfied Pocahontas type story.
imagin by TheNewDirector	Jul 5th, 2009 11:09:00 PM
I think it def. will. Public Enemies was very good,some amazing set pieces, but yeah like most of you are saying its not Heat, probably my 2nd or 3rd fav. Mann movie
Mr moe...I absolutely agree with you that the by southafricanguy	Jul 6th, 2009 05:58:42 AM
Avatar scrptment reads very much like a Mizyaki film. And thats a very good thing imho....
wouldn't it be fucking crazy if avatar.... by Warcraft	Jul 6th, 2009 03:46:42 PM
actually turned out to be a fucking thundercats movie???
SAG Hows it going my brother? by rogueleader66	Jul 6th, 2009 04:18:10 PM
Long time no talk, how ya been? I am interested in the Avatar scriptment, any way to get a hold of it? Things are fine here, moving on after losing an Aunt to pancreatic cancer, a tough time but got thru it. Have not been to the theaters since seeing Terminator, just have not had the time. Did watch Deja Vu at home with the g/f last week and found it to be pretty good although a bit implausible at times. Anyways hope all is good on your end.
TITBAG by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie	Jul 6th, 2009 05:04:14 PM
All that "weather gone wrong/climate change/global warming" shit isn't actually in the movie, it was just thrown in the trailer to entice all those types who need an explanation. The movie appears to be a pretty accurate adaptation of the book, and if anyone can make it bleak and violent enough it would be John Hillcoat. Didn't you see The Proposition? That head exploding wowed the shit out of me every time I watch it. . .
Rougeleader...hey dude, hows it going? by southafricanguy	Jul 6th, 2009 06:21:59 PM
sorry to hear about your aunt dude. Always super shitty when you lose family....Im doing good my friend, thanks for asking. I can email you the avatar scriptment if you would like...
Excellent Cameron Interview by BubbaDestructo	Jul 6th, 2009 07:12:19 PM
http://www.dga.org/news/dgaq_2 008-2/30-37_CameronQA.pdf Essential reading for any Cameron fan.
Rogueleader66 by imagin78	Jul 6th, 2009 07:23:47 PM
My condolences for your loss. I haven't seen Deja Vu yet. I have mixed feelings about Tony Scott. He is clearly not as good as his brother, but he still has made some good films like Crimson Tide and Spy Game. I might check it out in the future.
G-Force by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 6th, 2009 07:44:32 PM
You were one of the people who cried when you realized that the only movie Hollywood would ever make with the name G-FORCE was going to feature talking guniea pigs, huh? Me, too.
Seriously, thouh ... by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 6th, 2009 07:46:10 PM
There's no way this movie will take the 80s-90s risks of being bloody or exciting. It'll feature PLENTY of ABYSS/T2 dialogue, though - of the variety as such: "Men - men like you KILLE THE NA'VI! THIS LAND WAS PERFECT, A PARADISE! THEN SCUM-SUCKING CAPITALISTS LIKE YOU DRAGGED THEIR BALLS ACROSS IT TO LOWER THE INFANT MORTALITY RATE AND MEDIAN HUMAN SURVIVABILITY WHILE ALSO INCREASING THE STANDARD OF LIVING FOR PEOPLE! YOU MONSTERS!"
SAG by rogueleader66	Jul 6th, 2009 08:05:58 PM
Sounds good to me dude, let me know how you wanna do it.
Rouge.....just give me an email address to by southafricanguy	Jul 6th, 2009 08:09:49 PM
send it to dude...
SAG by rogueleader66	Jul 6th, 2009 09:31:50 PM
send it to ja99208@gmail.com thanks bro!
Funny Avatar 'Review' by BubbaDestructo	Jul 6th, 2009 09:32:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =lIbkFamE23Y&feature=popular Pretty spot-on on the basics of it. By the way, anyone else see 'Moon'? I saw it yesterday...kind of sticks in your head. Sam Rockwell was great in it.
rougeleader...no prob buddy, im at work now by southafricanguy	Jul 6th, 2009 10:59:58 PM
but when i get home latwer I will send it to you.
Turdontherun....hey dude, hows it going? by southafricanguy	Jul 6th, 2009 11:02:07 PM
yeah, dont know what the fuck is with this conspiracy theorist nut. Despite so much factual evidence to the contrary (the old scriptment for one, and all the pictures from the game showing guns being used) this guy still keeps repeating the same bullshit.
As you say there is plenty of gun action by southafricanguy	Jul 6th, 2009 11:05:23 PM
and lots of violence involving alien creatures and the Na'vi. And like you Turd, I will also get a good laugh if this movie pisses off the neo-cons, im no leftie, but its always funny seeing how easy it is for those on the far end of either political side to get pissed off at anything they feel promotes an opposite viewpoint...lol
Btw Turd....that end action set piece in Avatar by southafricanguy	Jul 6th, 2009 11:07:23 PM
is probably going to be one of the greatest action sequences ever put on film imho. Cameron doing epic sci-fi action? Should be amazing....
It doesn't even exist. That's why it's cool. by xalener	Jul 7th, 2009 12:42:06 AM
No one's impressed by it. That's why it's so fucking cool. No one can tell it's CGI. I'm glad all this money is being thrown at effects that are actually groundbreaking and not just plentiful coughtransformers2cough
xalener.....agree with you dude, its almost by southafricanguy	Jul 7th, 2009 12:46:22 AM
mundane looking, and thats the whole point, its invisible fx, the best kind imho....
Rougeleader...ive sent it to you dude, check by southafricanguy	Jul 7th, 2009 03:26:31 AM
your email and let me know if you got it....
It's No Conspiracy by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 09:03:05 AM
It's just obvious from the political ("Iran can do no wrong." "The US gov't can do no right." "Corporations that improve the standard of living and lower the infant mortality rate in the US are evil.") views of Hollywood, the dialogue of James Cameron, his track record (THE ABYSS was also actionless, if you remember, defining action as the type in T2 ... and the less said about TITANIC the better), etc. "No Weapons of Any Kind" doesn't mean "no guns will be visible" - I'm sure everything will be rippling with guns. But look at G.I. JOE : TROC to see what I'm talking about - there's a shot of a guy with a gatling firing off a helicopter ... and that's the only shot of any handheld weapons being fired by someone, and I wonder if that will turn out to be Roadblock firing at a water tower or something like that. It won't be at people! This is going to be line an episode of THE A-TEAM ... NOT like ALIENS or T2. It'll be bloodless, with lots of "OH NO, THEY CONVENIENTLY MADE A PLOT POINT THAT WE CAN'T SHOOT IN HERE OR THE PHLOGISTON WILL EXPLODE!"
thusspake...dude, do you work for the NRA by southafricanguy	Jul 7th, 2009 09:29:44 AM
or something? What the fuck is this obsession you have with guns and wether they will be shown shooting people? How the hell can you use the Abyss as a comparison? It was nt a fucking action movie, it was basically an underwater thriller. So why the hell would you expect lots of action? Geez dude, read the damn scriptment, there is lots of shooting and things/aliens/people getting shot. Otherwise, give it a damn rest...
Amen, ste1bro by Subtitles_Off	Jul 7th, 2009 10:43:05 AM
My eyeballs have been promised to expect to get laid, but my eyeballs, unimpressed by the uninspired foreplay, are no longer expecting to cum.
Excerpt from the treatment by Subtitles_Off	Jul 7th, 2009 11:15:10 AM
"Troopers fire there rifles" Etc. I'm really hoping you transcribed instead of copied. Because, if James Cameron can spend 14 years and 700 million dollars on his details but can't be bothered with spelling or grammar, you geeks are all-and-truly fucked. "Fishing points not good for killing slinth." Yeah, that'll translate to film.
ThusSpakeSpymunk by one9deuce	Jul 7th, 2009 04:10:06 PM
Guns will be fired, people will die, you'll still be an idiot
Guns Fired, People Die by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 08:34:54 PM
You want to understand the origin of "NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND?" Watch this clip, read on ...
Exhibit A: What Hollyood Promised by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 08:35:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vYS_XmPOYuc
Exhibit B: What Hollywood Actually Did by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 08:37:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =gAmWZSewLyA
by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 08:42:15 PM
The meaning of "No Weapons of Any Kind" should be obvious now. It's a slogan I use to represent a movie being sold as one thing when it's clearly going to be something else. The blatant lie of the original teaser was that ALIEN 3 was going to be R-Rated, wall-to-wall action set on Earth, with huge military groups fighting against waves of aliens descending in spaceships/meteorites/whatever , of a zombie apocalypse of chestbursters and facehuggers in the vein of LIFEFORCE, the end of the world via terrifying monsters - and lots of insane gunplay with brave soldiers fighting the aliens. That's OBVIOUS from the teaser - it's going to be an invashion of Earth by the aliens! OHYEAH! But then, the movie comes out, and it's ... about ... a cold sun ... and cold wind? And ... wait, WTF did she just say? "No WEAPONS OF ANY KIND?" WTF x 100?! This is the bill of goods fans of AVATAR are being sold. It may feature charaters with guns, and it might feature someone firing off a bunch of rounds, but it will be in the vein of THE A-TEAM, bloodless, or goopy aliens going "splat." Nobody in AVATAR is going to grab a shotgun, shove it up into the Na'avi's mouth, scream "EAT THIS!" and fire. I guarantee you.
ThusSpakeSpymunk - I hear you by BubbaDestructo	Jul 7th, 2009 09:06:38 PM
Fincher had a bunch of crap to deal with in that production. He did what he could, but it tells that he is the only director who doesn't give a commentary track on the Alien Quadrilogy, doesn't it? Alien 3 should HAVE been on Earth...with Ripley, Newt, and Hicks. And epic battles between Aliens, civilians (loaded up with weapons) and military (loaded with nukes, knives, sharp sticks). I always picture a bunch of characters barricading themselves in some university building, financial complex, or mall, and seeing a wave of hundreds of aliens coming over the dark horizon towards them, as they look through holes in the barricaded windows....the sheer terror about to begin. I don't mind Alien 3, but they really took the story in the wrong direction in my opinion.
Completely, Bubba by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 09:25:21 PM
And that's kind of the thing I'm saying about AVATAR - what you described is what -everyone- who saw that teaser pictured, and it's all the studio needed to do. However, the studio was so evil and creatively-bankrupt and hateful of sci-fi that they wanted to spend as little as possible and get as much return as possible, so they came up with an ad for the event we all wanted, planted the seed, created a piece of trash and sold the public a giant bill of goods on a PC bandwagon of "no weapons of any kind." And I think the same thing is going on with AVATAR - people are mistaking the description of huge effects to mean HUGE -VIOLENT AND AWESOME TERMINATOR 2 NUCLEAR AND FUTURE SCENES- effects, when in reality the finished product is clearly going to more closely resemble KUROSAWA'S DREAMS or WHAT DREAMS MAY COME.
Well said, Turd. by imagin78	Jul 7th, 2009 10:03:03 PM
It is also important to note that Alien 3's problems largely stemmed from way too much studio interference. Avatar, on the other hand, is being completely shepherded by Cameron himself with little to no say by Fox. This is why it is able to be marketed with so much secrecy. Fox would have inundated us with plot-ruining trailers by now. Avatar is a space opera. Something along the lines of Star Wars. It is not meant to be a hard-edged film. If that is not your cup of tea, then there are other films for you.
imagn78 - I agree with you as well by BubbaDestructo	Jul 7th, 2009 10:09:18 PM
Avatar will likely be more 'Star Wars' in approach to violence - maybe a bit more intense. ThusSpakeSpymunk - I think District 9 should give the grittiness you're thinking about. By the way, I just found out someone is showing the entire District 9 film online already. Unreal.
turd, buubadestructo, imagin...hey guys by southafricanguy	Jul 7th, 2009 11:14:01 PM
hows it going? Yeah THUSSPOK really is coming across like a fucking nut. he really does contradict himself, and its obvious he does nt even know what the hell he is talking about. He seems ignorant of much of the production history of Alien 3, and he clearly does nt know whaty Avatar is.
SAG, well we're all here in this mix by BubbaDestructo	Jul 7th, 2009 11:36:25 PM
And he's entitled to his (varied) opinions. It's just good to actually discuss films with you, turd, imagin78 and others. It's all about constructive speculation and appreciation, ain't it? Southafricanguy, keep the faith, dude! By the way, I'm still shocked at District 9 possibly already leaked on the internet? I'm not totally sure about this, but there is a link on youtube. Also, what's your thoughts on 2012? That trailer looks unbelievably epic.
No Contraduction by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 11:46:01 PM
I've used the phrase "No Weapons of Any Kind" for years on here, always to mean any movie that has its balls chopped off by the studio. "Dear god - people LOVED that ALIENS movie, with all the guns and weapons - you know what would be really awesome? We should remove them! People LOVED the action - so let's make it a talky prison flick about men with multiple y-chromosomes! People loved Hicks, Newt and Bishop - KILL 'EM ALL!" It was the nadir of that kind of PC filmmaking crap - anything noble, good, positive must be shown to die, and nonviolent self-sacrifice (remember, Ripley "wins" the movie by committing SUICIDE) is beautiful and noble ... which dovetails nicely into eco-movies, because the only "crime" huamnity is ever truly guilty of in flicks like this is simply exisiting: "MEN - MEN LIKE YOU-!" In THE ABYSS, Cameron displayed his utter contempt for humanity by having the Squid-People want to destroy Earth for being violent and for polluting the oceans. We're getting more of the same from AVATAR. There's no contradiction there. Every element of the script treatment and initial "buzz" says this movie will be wall-to-wall talking about the crimes of man against the beautiful and peaceful Na'avi planet, noteably absent actual realistic technology - remember, only in an imaginary utopia can man be shown to "harmonize" with nature in some kind of conceived "balance." And don't be an idiot about "No Weapons of Any Kind." There's never been a contradiction. One of the worst movies I've used as an example of "No Weapons of Any Kind" was THE ROCKETEER, which even went through the trouble of having the hero get a gun from a gangster so he could fly up onto a rooftop as a search light illuminates him - for a shot they could use as the end of the trailer and on some posters that suggested the hero atually, youk now, used a gun against mobsters and Nazis. However, of course, in keeping with PC-liberal-Hollywood, the hero loses the same gun as he lands awkwardly on a blimp not 60 seconds after he's acquired it, thereby making the presence of the gun entirely meaningless EXCEPT as a device to get people into the movie thinking they'd get actual, you know, legitimate action. Want another example? One of my favorites? READ ON -
ONE OF MY FAVORITE POSTERS FOR A MOVIE EVER FOR NWOAK by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 11:47:40 PM
http://www.impawards.com/2002/ posters/reign_of_fire.jpg
by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 11:52:17 PM
FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE, the ad says - showing Apache helicopters about to engage an army of dragons. Woot - the only thing I needed to know about this movie was that poster and when it came out - until I sat dumbfounded in the theater as the opening narration showed a shot of an apache helicopter NOT in combat with a dragon for about five seconds being torn apart and the narration washed over me to chilling effect: "The battle was over before it began. It took a few minutes - then, there were no weapons of any kind - the dragons destroyed us so we could run around cheap sets and bleak backgrounds in castoff outfits from other movies." It's a far cry from THE BATTLE IGNITES ... the battle ****ing happened OFFSCREEN BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN STARTED! And it should've been replaced by different captions. The top one should've read: THEY HAVE NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND - AND NOW THEY'LL RUN and the bottom should've said ALL ACTION OFFSCREEN BEFORE MOVIE STARTS.
In Summary ... by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 7th, 2009 11:58:31 PM
You'll note that there was a lot of running around and "things happening" in REIGN OF FIRE - but I would also refer to IT, too, as "actionless." It wasn't an action movie - despite the lies of rhe trailer and poster. It was a horror flick, with people getting picked off one by one until they overcome the monster. And despite the fact that a lot of stuff was shot at a lot of stuff, it was also entirely NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND because it was all kept in the realm of fantasy - or, as PC likes to call it, non-repeatable violence, IE nobody picks up a gun or a knife because they think that the audience will stupidly emulate that (which I'm even hearing here as people call me a gun-nut - which I'm not - for wanting to see characters use guns). It's more like this - if you're going to make a movie about soldiers fighting in a war, don't have them suddenly discover "Oh, no, our weapons are broken so we can't shoot them to keep down the budget and keep the anti-violence peons happy!" If you're going to do a slasher movie, don't have everything happen off-screen. If you're going to do a DIE HARD movie, don't blank out the word "mother(BANG!)er." Don't lie to the audience. Don't sell the audience a bag of crap and tel them it's gold. THAT isn't backpedaling - I tried to clarify what I meant as people thought the mere presence of a gun meant the movie would be SHOOT 'EM UP. Not what I'm saying, and not what I'm advocating. AVATAR isn't CRANK, nor do I want it to be. But when I hear people saying "Oh, my god - these action war scenes are going to rival T2 in intensity and violence!" or "IT'S GONNA BE THE MOST AMAZINGLY AWESOME VISCERAL EXPERIENCE EVER!" or "IT'S GOING TO BE SO INTENSE IT'LL MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE," I am reminded of "BECASUE ON EARTH ... EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM!" Yeah, tell me another one, Hollywood - you can only burn us so many times. Me? I'm burnt from all the lying in the aforementioned movies, at the pussification of leading men (it's a long way down from JOHN MCLAINE to the Pieman of PUSHING DAISIES, but the latter is what Hollywood thinks - foolishly, as they learn over and over again - that we "want" in the PC age). I hope that addresses the so-called "contradictions" Turd observes. I do respect you, at least, for having the thought process to speak on your behalf.
Oh, and for those who believe hype ... by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 8th, 2009 12:02:01 AM
... I have only one thing to say to you. "Slusho - ... summons the monster. That is the clue - Slusho summons the monster!"
Bubbadestruct...opinions are all fine dude, as by southafricanguy	Jul 8th, 2009 12:35:47 AM
you say we are all entitled to them. But thusspake is passing said opinion off as fact. There is a big difference. Despite his liberal conspiracy theories, Alien 3 didnt have guns beciase of numerous issues/ideas etc...involved in the very convulated production of that film
and as for Avatar, its clearly an action by southafricanguy	Jul 8th, 2009 12:40:16 AM
adventure story, geez the entire third act is basically one giant series of action set pieces, with lots of shooting, things dieing, and explosians. And yeah it has thematic content, but not just enviromentalism (which seems to horrify thusspake), but also about humantiy maturing, issues of colonialism/imperialism. And others...going by his logic then LOTR sucked because it also has a strong anti-war, anti-industrial, enviromental message. GTood directors like Cameron and Jackson know how to put that stuff in there and not hit the audiance over the head with it. Nevermind that those issues are all very pertinent at the moment...
Sorry thusspake, but you are really making by southafricanguy	Jul 8th, 2009 12:42:10 AM
yourself look like one of those people that just believes whatever you want, regardless of actual factual evidence to the contrary, but if believing in the anti-gun/anti-action conspricy makes you happy then have at it dude...
Hey turd....you pretty much just nailed it dude by southafricanguy	Jul 8th, 2009 05:46:13 AM
What all this stuff he keeps going on about has to dowith Avatar is also a complete mystery to me too. His leaps in logic are baffling enough that Im wondering if thusspak is George Bush posting on aincn....lol
Southafricaguy - LOTR would suck because it was anti- ... by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 8th, 2009 08:37:59 AM
Yep.
Turd - by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 8th, 2009 08:45:34 AM
I've got nothing against AVATAR or for it, myself. What prompted my initial NWOAK posts was that people in the Talkbacks seemed to interpret the "amazing visuals" to mean "amazingly huge and violent future-war T2-type segments" and saying things like "Man - the action in this movie is going to make T2 look like a cakewalk!" And I was like ... uh, no. It's PG-13 guaranteed. The whole point of my remarks stems from idiots on here who have been posting how it will rival ALIENS in intensity. It CAN'T rival ALIENS in intensity because it's PG-13. It CAN'T rival T2 because it's PG-13. No matter how "much more" you can now "get away with," it's NOT GOING TO reach the levels of T2 or ALIENS. At least you have the good sense to understand that in your post, and that's all I've been trying to say, really - despite my own bias agaoinst presenting something as being "mindblowing action" and showing mechs with guns with the knowledge beforehand you won't see skulls being crushed under robot feet despite the presence of robots and a "theme" of "war." It's like the old rule of the playwrite Chekov, about whom is said "if you're going to show a gun in the first act of the play, you'd better use it by the third." Movies like AVATAR want the gun because it draws in a certain crowd (and believe it or not, that crowd ISN'T me), but they then want to bait-and-switch the audience. "We've got thousands of guns! We're ALL ABOUT THE GUNS AND MECHS! DUDE, COME SEE IT - IT'S GONNA BE ALL GUNDAM UP IN HERE!" and then ... "But, uh, wait, at the ... uh ... last minute ... the ... planet has sprayed everything with ... uh ... anti-gun-firing gas! DON'T SHOOT ANYTHING OR WE'LL ALL DIE!" It's a technique Hollywood has used for years. It's not the lack of violence I dislike - I couldn't care less about the violence. It's the dishonesty.
fair enough thusspake......I get what you are by southafricanguy	Jul 8th, 2009 10:36:06 PM
saying, and I agree that I dont like bait and switch advertising in films, but heres the simple question dude, have you read the old scriptment?
because if you had you would know that there by southafricanguy	Jul 8th, 2009 10:38:50 PM
is no "gas that prevents shooting type thing". I dont know how else to put this to you, the entire third act is a massive action set piece, that may rival Aliens, because of how epic it is, and because it is an amazing example of the sustained dramatic action that Cameron did in both Aliens and T2.
sigh by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jul 9th, 2009 08:35:47 AM
There it is again. "... may rival ALIENS." No. No, it won't. It's going to be PG-13. The only way it could "rival" ALIENS is if it was as INTENSE as ALIENS, and PG-13 can't be as intense.
Thus by TheNewDirector	Jul 9th, 2009 12:35:03 PM
You equate intensity of a movie to its mpaa rating? Hmmm.. I thought the LOTR movies intense and they were rated pg-13. Especially the helm's deep attack.

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