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Eternally First! Eternally -- DOOM!
by V. von Doom
Jul 1st, 2009
09:13:38 AM
First!!
by BigJ
Jul 1st, 2009
09:16:32 AM
YEAH
Damn!
by BigJ
Jul 1st, 2009
09:16:49 AM
stone's throw
by Laserhead
Jul 1st, 2009
09:16:58 AM
You forgot the 'Rating: 9 out of 10' for Sirens of Gotham.
Pasty Trivia
by MrPasty
Jul 1st, 2009
09:17:57 AM
The Red Sonja movie was filmed in Italy with music by Ennio Morricone, who was also responsible for the music in “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly,” also filmed in Italy. Both Red Sonja and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly are comic books published by Dynamite Entertainment. In film, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is revered while Red Sonja is loathed. In comics, at least for my tastes, it’s just the opposite.
It's a shame...
by th3480
Jul 1st, 2009
09:18:09 AM
...about Iron Fist. I thought that the last 2 arcs were the best of the series. Guess it's time for Marvel to dust off Shang-Chi!
Humphrey's right about the Astonishing Z-Z-Z-Men
by V. von Doom
Jul 1st, 2009
09:19:34 AM
I mean, we used to have MONTHLY COMICS paced faster than this. Cripes. The pernicious effects of the trades strikes again: Pace it as slow as you want, there are people who will only buy it as a trade and NEVER as a comic. Since that's where the money is, there's no motivation for writer or artist to pick up the speed.
Love the choice of comic reviewed by the Kid
by terry1978
Jul 1st, 2009
09:19:38 AM
A pregnant Goblin on the cover...shit, I'm an adult and that freaks me out.
Nice try BigJ
by V. von Doom
Jul 1st, 2009
09:21:19 AM
But Latveria is six time zones to the east of you -- DOOM has the advantage!
Amazing
by AndrewGol
Jul 1st, 2009
09:24:15 AM
He could care less about Lily. He thinks it's the least interesting part of the book and I have to agree with him.
Existence 2.0
by AndrewGol
Jul 1st, 2009
09:25:02 AM
It comes out today. It is a damn good book so be sure to check it out at the shop.
th3480: RE Shang-Chi
by V. von Doom
Jul 1st, 2009
09:27:53 AM
It would be difficult to impossible to reach the heights of those late 70s issues. And kung fu was THE thing back then; the novelty effect (back before we were all familiar with the tropes and the situations) can't be brought back again. Not to mention his dad is Fu Manchu! Break out the polit correct squad for anything mentioning THAT again!
X-Factor + Shatterstar =
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
Jul 1st, 2009
09:30:48 AM
i jizz in my pants.
Actually, Laserhead...
by stones_throw
Jul 1st, 2009
09:35:44 AM
...it was a 7 out of 10. Possibly 6.5. I did enjoy the book quite a bit more than Dini's other new Bat-book, STREETS OF GOTHAM, the previous week, though.

GOTHAM CITY SIRENS...MARVEL DIVAS (is that the book's name?)...what's going on here? Will we have DARK HORSE DAMSELS next? IMAGE WOMEN? I like how these books are masquerading as vehicles for strong female characters when really they're just an excuse for cheesecake. And doesn't the Marvel series rather redundantly have Hellcat and Black Cat in the team?

Well, the kids have to learn about "Tek War" sooner or later
by Raymar
Jul 1st, 2009
09:42:26 AM
Golden/Silver Age comics ARE TOO worthwhile
by kalel21
Jul 1st, 2009
09:49:45 AM
Check out this blog: comicsradio.blogspot.com for Wednesday posts tracking the history of Silver Age Marvel comics on a month by month basis, with some keen analysis on why they were so good.
Harley Quinn has a meaty ass
by Star Hump
Jul 1st, 2009
09:57:31 AM
How'd you like to stick your face in that, do the motorboat, play lollipop with her balloon knot? Yeah, you bet your bippy.
Other reviews of
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
09:59:25 AM
Different shit. Shamless plug if I don't say so myself.

http://tinyurl.com/n5al5e

Existence 2.0
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
10:00:16 AM
Is it in Black and white? The preview in one of the FCBD was in Black and white. Another end of the world book.
GOTHAM CITY SIRENS
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
10:01:12 AM
Looked pretty shitty.
Is it wrong that I want to see Plastic Man do porn?
by YackBacker
Jul 1st, 2009
10:02:53 AM
All he needs is a John Holmes mustache and everything else will fall into place perfectly...
Existence 2.0
by AndrewGol
Jul 1st, 2009
10:03:09 AM
No the book is in full color and the color palate they use is pretty damn good, actually. I'll try to find a link to some pages. Not an end of the world book, either. It's crime noir meets sci fi. I'd put it in the Brubaker/Phillips Sleeper category if I had to compare it to a specific book.
Kal-El
by stones_throw
Jul 1st, 2009
10:03:15 AM
Nice to see you commenting, Mr. Kent. I like the sister website of Marvel's MASTERWORKS series. Never bought one of the books, myself (I prefer the ESSENTIALS) but the website has cover galleries, a monthly chronology of Marvel comics in the Sixties and, best of all, click-and-read-able letters pages and Bullpen bulletins, where you can see the likes of Roy Thomas, Dave Cockrum and Steve Gerber writing in pre-employment at Marvel.

http://tinyurl.com/3 n8oqe

Existence 2.0 Preview
by AndrewGol
Jul 1st, 2009
10:04:11 AM
11 pages here http://www.newsarama.com/php/m ultimedia/album.php?aid=29130
http://chillustrators.ning.com/
by Ebixby
Jul 1st, 2009
10:07:15 AM
Talk about comics, check out comics, blog your stuff!
Existence 2.0
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
10:08:31 AM
Yeah I just realized I was thinking about something else. I read a preview for it somewhere, back of something a couple weeks back. Maybe it was Overlook.
Does anyone buy that William Shatner
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
10:12:15 AM
Had anything to do with Tek War, besides slapping his name on it? At least the new stuff?
On Guillem March's art
by stones_throw
Jul 1st, 2009
10:12:36 AM
I can see why some people aren't liking it. Although that is a crap cover (and nothing compared to the J.G. Jones variant), I thought overall the contents were in the respectful comics tradition of busty, long-legged females, and not crass like some American artists such as Ed Benes or Michael Turner (God rest his soul). It wasn't as good, but it reminded me slightly of Jordi Bernet on JONAH HEX in the fluidity and some of the expressions. I certainly far prefer his female figures to when he was drawing Nightwing in his first two-parter in the Bat family.
Freddy, Ash and Jason
by Mr.FTW
Jul 1st, 2009
10:13:09 AM
Freddy and Jason pairs have always made sense to me but I've never really understood why people want to throw Ash into that mix. I've always though Ash would make a better and much funnier match up with Jack Burton from Big Trouble in Little China. Where is that ridiculous buddy cop formula comic?
X-Factor, Astonishing, Incognito, and Secret Warriors
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
10:14:13 AM
I'm gonna check out X-Factor. Peter David has always been iffy as a writer for me, we don't really seem to have the same kind of interests of focus when it comes to character work and I've never really been that interested in the characters he's done. Aquaman? Hulk? I've heard nothing but good about both runs, but I just don't find either character that interesting by themselves. Same with the characters in X-Factor ...but more and more lately, little things have caught my attention, they've sounded interesting and you guys certainly beat that particular drum, so I'm going to pick up the first trade.

Astonishing didn't seem so much like an ending as more like a... "Can we stop, please, I'm bored." Just... lackluster and despite the really good, big ideas and fun characterization... What really happened over the last ga-billion years this run has been going on for? Nothing. The summary would be: "The X-men sort of discover that a secret inter-dimensional war may be about to kind of start or something and that Forge is also aware of this possibility. Then they go home." PLUS, it can't be said enough, bad choices for coloring or muddled and muddy art. Blech. Which is weird because in the close-ups, the art is kind of cool, but any other kind of shot? Shit. I'm glad this run is done. It was all: "Almost, could have bee" right from the start. Disappointing.

I love Incognito. Its just good. I hope it keeps going for a long time, because I really want to explore this world. It needs to come out more often. I understand the Big stuff pays the rent, but books like this and Planetary are so good and interesting that I wish their creators would make them priority one.

I like the balance of old and new in Secret Warriors. Jonathan Hickman is the shit, man, take a whiff and love it. This book is introducing a ton of new characters and Fury being fucking awesome is the best tool ever for keeping your interest while it does. It strikes me as so odd when I see that fear-of-the-new attitude in comics. Why wouldn't you want to new characters? Especially when they're balanced with a great old character? And with that art? I think Secret Warriors could be the best new mainstream comic in years.
FTW
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
10:16:01 AM
IT shouldn't be Jack Burton vs. Ash, they should be best buds, fighting monsters, kickin' ass and drinking beer cross country in the Pork Chop Express. Maybe Jack gets hired to haul some S-Mart merch and Ash is there as the escort and then... well... all Hell breaks loose.
Joenathan
by Mr.FTW
Jul 1st, 2009
10:40:41 AM
That's exactly what I 'm talking about! It would be gold, pure gold!
Ash
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
10:42:55 AM
Is going to pair up with Obama next.
When's Morrisons Batman Reborn Issue 2
by Spartacus Hughs
Jul 1st, 2009
10:49:06 AM
releaesed in the uk? And what are the giant coins about? There was one in All Star Superman also?
Who is buying a book just for the co-feature?
by RenoNevada2000
Jul 1st, 2009
10:58:40 AM
Right now, I'm picking up STREETS OF GOTHAM because of the MANHUNTER co-feature. The addition of BLUE BEETLE is what has kept BOOSTER GOLD from getting axed off of my pull list. Anyone else?
I think, Mr.FTW...
by rev_skarekroe
Jul 1st, 2009
11:15:08 AM
...that part of the appeal is that Freddy vs. Jason doesn't have a good guy. It's two undead villains without a hero. Ash provides a solution to that dilemma.

And Ash and Jack Burton are a little too similar to team up, imo.

In other news, this is week 3..
by rev_skarekroe
Jul 1st, 2009
11:21:25 AM
...where I have no desire to go to the comic book store. I have no interest in any of the ongoing series that are coming out right now (except The Goon, and it hasn't had a new issue in awhile). And I'm tradewaiting on all the limited series that look good.

Guess I'm saving money.

The show I'd love to see?
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
11:27:50 AM
Ben Bowder from Farscape and Nathan Fillion from Firefly as cantankerous brothers and starship co-captains flying around the galaxy with Harrison Ford as their grouchy dad and Bruce Campbell as their boozy, somewhat unreliable uncle. People couldn't handle that much pure unbridled rouge. Then throw in Natalie Portman as the love interst and Carrie Fisher as her mom... pure awesome-ness.
Actually, I always thought Ash should crossover with Buffy.
by rev_skarekroe
Jul 1st, 2009
11:29:47 AM
There are times when Nicholas Brenden looked just like a young Bruce Campbell. Ash would've made a great role-model uncle for Xander.
um, isn't REBORN coming out today?
by rben
Jul 1st, 2009
11:31:55 AM
as in Captain America? Just sayin'
rben
by optimous_douche
Jul 1st, 2009
11:34:15 AM
Yes, I just helped count in 200+ Captains at my LCS
Marvel Divas?
by Laserhead
Jul 1st, 2009
11:35:57 AM
Is that like the new MARVEL TAILS series, where Chuck Austen returns to "shine the spotlight on some of Marvels most iconic female characters."
Good Week
by AndrewGol
Jul 1st, 2009
11:41:32 AM
The previously mentioned Existence 2.0, Batman and Robin #2, Cap Reborn, JLA Cry For Justice and a slew of Boom Kids Muppet Books along with the amazing Irredemable
I don't think Bruce digs those Ash books
by I am the most horrible
Jul 1st, 2009
11:48:37 AM
Bruce on Ash
by Mr.FTW
Jul 1st, 2009
11:54:40 AM
Yeah, I've seen and read interviews where he wasn't super negative on them but has expressed how he thinks the only one that should be writing Ash is Rami.
So...
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
12:00:09 PM
Is J. Scott Campbell COMPLETELY incapable of doing a monthly book anymore? Is it just half-assed pin-up covers from now on?
Does anyone get money for all the Ask comics?
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
12:01:34 PM
Like does Sam or Bruce? Seeing that its his character and his likeness? If thats the case, I don't think Bruce would be that upset about the comics.
Ash*
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
12:06:17 PM
Did they ever make a Jeeves comic?
Peter David Made Hulk Interesting
by Autodidact
Jul 1st, 2009
12:36:21 PM
Back in the early-mid-90s Peter David made Hulk one of the best reads in comics at the time. While all the image guys were busy filling their books with pin-up images and no real story whatsoever, each month a Hulk comic with jaw-dropping art and a good mix of humor, action, and pathos would come out like clockwork.
Does anyone else...
by robohobo
Jul 1st, 2009
12:49:35 PM
Torrent every book every week? I've got like the last 10 years of every major book sitting on my hard-drive. Good times. Generally any given week's books are up and and available within a couple days of release. Fuck you, 3.99 cover price.
I've heard that about David's Hulk run...
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
12:58:43 PM
I'm just not interested in the Hulk as a character, beyond him acting as a force of nature that the Avengers have to stop, so I never picked it up.
IRREDEEMABLE...
by bottleimp
Jul 1st, 2009
01:08:07 PM
Though I initially loved this title, each subsequent issue has left me feeling a little less enthused. The concept is still great, but in my opinion Krause's art is starting to drag the comic down on the visual end. And Waid is doling out the plot pretty slowly, so the $3.99 cover price is starting to feel a little steep(er). Now I can just cut and paste this response for next week's review of #4.
Torrents? No.
by DennisMM
Jul 1st, 2009
01:08:08 PM
Because I'm not a thief. It's no different from walking into a distributor's warehouse - or your LCS - and kyping a copy.
For God's Sake, WHO IS RED HULK?
by The Reluctant Austinite
Jul 1st, 2009
01:11:24 PM
I'm going to die of old age before I find out. Is it Major Glenn Talbot? Who?
Kid? Twitter?
by DennisMM
Jul 1st, 2009
01:11:29 PM
No offense, but who wants to follow a frakkin' little kid on Twitter? No matter what you think of the reviews, Twitter is ridiculous to begin with.
Do regular people actually use Twitter?
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
01:31:22 PM
Like who the fuck gives a shit what anyone else is even doing at any given moment of the day unless you are a stalker.

I heard a Cat has its own Twitter, I think I'll join to read that. 1:30PM, Licking my ass. 2:00PM Licking my ass. 2:30PM licking my ass. 3:00PM licking my ass. 3:30PM puking up ass hair ball. 4:00PM licking my ass.

Red Hulk
by Laserhead
Jul 1st, 2009
01:31:25 PM
Nobody knows. Not even Loeb, who, when the time comes, will reveal Rulk as being a childhood friend of Bruce Banner introduced specifically to provide an identity for this mystery villain. Don't expect it to make sense.
So is Skaar
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
01:35:30 PM
Going to be in the Hulk series now?
Peter David's Hulk run
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
01:38:59 PM
is legend, LEGEND I TELL YOU!!! No matter what else Peter David does, he will always have that to hang his hat on. One of my top 5 favorite runs in comic history.
LOL Hush
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
01:39:41 PM
was fucking lame. Childhood friend, how ridiculously weaksauce.
the children have to learn about tek war sooner or later
by ironic_name
Jul 1st, 2009
01:41:34 PM
I am peeved with you, raymar.
Iron Fist canceled
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
01:42:05 PM
One of the great tragedies of my adult life is the gradual dawning awareness that most people are stupid and lame. Iron Fist, a badass awesome book if there ever was one, apparently cant even make it to issue 30. Meanwhile, 37 different X books or 45 different Batman books (A character that, lets be honest, long since passed the date of ridiculous self parody) continue to chug along endlessly. Why? Because more people buy them then Iron Fist. Just like more people watched Everybody Loves Raymond then Serenity. Sigh.
RULK IS HUSH!
by ironic_name
Jul 1st, 2009
01:42:11 PM
Incognito
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
01:43:45 PM
is rad. What a great book, although its fatal flaw is that the powers seem to be A) incredibly ill-defined and B) incredibly lame when Bru DOES define them. It's a fantastic book though, make no bones about it. I just wish I knew what Zack Overkill actually DOES.
Maybe Rulk
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
01:44:27 PM
is Bruce Banner's dad, who he thought was cool his whole life but now realizes was actually evil all along.
Zack Overkill
by Laserhead
Jul 1st, 2009
01:46:13 PM
I had the same problem with Holden's powers in 'Sleeper.' I knew it had something to do with 'absorbing pain' but then... what? I never understood his abilities and don't understand Zack's. Which is probably only further proof of Brubaker's writing chops-- that in two major series I haven't been clear on the main character's powers and haven't cared enough to bitch.
Bottle Imp/Irredeemable
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
01:47:02 PM
I'm with you. Concept = Awesome. First issue = Not bad. Subsequently = Meh-ish... And I can't really point to why. Its just, eh... Maybe its because I don't care about the characters he kills off? I don't know. If the trade's cheap, I'd say maybe, depending on how your funds are.
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:48:14 PM
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:48:15 PM
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:48:15 PM
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:48:18 PM
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:48:19 PM
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:48:19 PM
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:48:19 PM
Zach Overkill's power
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
01:49:26 PM
He punches the fuck out of shit PERIOD. and when he was with his brother, they REALLY punched the fuck out of shit. Better recognize.
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:51:48 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:51:50 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:51:50 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:51:51 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/
Jessica Biel In Talks To Join 'Thor' !!!!
by Stanbee54321
Jul 1st, 2009
01:51:52 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/
I hear jessica biel may join thor, can anyone tell me more
by ironic_name
Jul 1st, 2009
01:53:48 PM
So have I,
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
01:54:50 PM
I hope she plays Tits McFine-ass
Did anybody hear about Jessica Biel joining Thor?
by Laserhead
Jul 1st, 2009
01:55:28 PM
Look, she's good for exactly one thing. Does Thor need that?
Verily, thou art smitten by mine ass, foul villain!
by Laserhead
Jul 1st, 2009
01:56:06 PM
I don't think
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
01:56:12 PM
She's a good choice to play Thor, I wonder why they are going with a gender reversal on this one?
Too all fans of
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
01:57:56 PM
Biel, go google the movie Powder Blue.
William Shatner Presents: another shitty comicbook or novel...
by Fareal
Jul 1st, 2009
02:13:42 PM
...with his name on it. Its the same old shit from Shatner. He is presenting something to us that he didn't write, draw, or even read. Someone else does all the work, and then Shatner puts his name on it for X amount of dollars.

Fuck you, William Shatner. Your career and life has become a joke. The real reason that you weren't in JJ Abrams "Star Trek" is because he didn't want any part of the movie to suck. At least Leonard Nimoy has kept his dignity intact over the years.
Who's Jessica Biel?
by DennisMM
Jul 1st, 2009
02:16:31 PM
Seriously, I've never seen a movie with her. I just know the name.
William Shatner
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
02:18:55 PM
Gave us Danny Crane and for that he is forgiven.
google shatnerquake
by ironic_name
Jul 1st, 2009
02:21:47 PM
Jessica Biel
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
02:31:42 PM
is vastly overrated.
Except naked
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
02:33:11 PM
Then she is proof of the existance of God
Not to harp on someone for his own taste
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
02:57:04 PM
But I am always a little floored when a comic reviewer says he is not a big fan of Golden & Silver Age comics. I mean, it is ONLY the birthplace of the comic book art and the super-hero genre. And about 80% of the titles and characters still come from those eras (especially the big sellers: Superman, Batman, Hulk, Spider-Man, etc.).

Plus you never would hear a movie critic (or at least one of any standing) say he didn't like older movies. What would you think of a critic who says he didn't like Golden Age films, like that Maltese Falcon or Citizen Kane, or never watched the works of DW Griffith or Chaplin?

Sorry to go off on a little rant there. To each there own and I doubt this takes away from you love of the medium or your ability to review them, But you got to admit it sounds strange for a comic book critic to say he doesn't like Golden Age & Silver Age comics.

Jessica Biel Nude
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
02:59:34 PM
http://tinyurl.com/n5al5e
I am going to take a risk and correct DOOM
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
02:59:43 PM
It isn't PCism that prevents Fu Manchu's name from being mentioned in Marvel Comics as Shang-Chi's father, it is capitalism: he is still a copy-righted character and Marvel lost the rights to him in the 80s. Same thing with the Micronauts.
Continentalop
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
03:03:35 PM
I fucking hate old people? Is that the same?
Maybe Series, maybe
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
03:05:25 PM
By the way, very tricky of you earlier, Very tricky indeed...
Hey!
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
03:06:26 PM
That wasn't Jessica Biel nude at all! Series7, you sir, are a liar!
Old Stuff
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
03:07:33 PM
As certain mediums get more and more years under their belt, how is one expected to go back and watch all the old movies and read all the old comics that have come before their time? Also while trying to read any of the new stuff? Imagine 50 years from now just how many more movies and comics and book will have come out. I guess thats why we will create that Matrix "I know Kung Fu" thing.
HEY HEY!
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
03:09:05 PM
I did tell you all what to google if you really wanted to find out. I'm at work so I can't give you that link, so in the main time enjoy some other opinions.
Golden Age comics and such...
by bottleimp
Jul 1st, 2009
03:32:27 PM
There is an importance inherent in the originators and innovators of the comic book medium. However, I have to agree with Baytor that for the most part, Golden Age comics could not be considered "good reading" for anyone over ten. As he pointed out, there are a few exceptions (including Jack Cole, Eisner, Reed Crandall, and Jack Kirby, though even Kirby's early work was very rough), but the vast majority of comics from that period were poorly written and illustrated. Important historically? Hell yes. Good reading? Not so much.
I don't think you are required to read or see all the old stuff
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
03:32:50 PM
But like TMC show "The Essentials" says, certain films (or comics in this case) established and helped shape the language of the medium. I think to understand a certain medium you have to go back and look at the masterpieces of it. You can't see where you are going unless you see where you came from.

Plus, look at the woman writing The Twilight books. She never researched any other vampire novels, movies or the folk lore and God does it show (glittering vampires?).

Series7
by Mr.FTW
Jul 1st, 2009
03:33:13 PM
If you're at work you shouldn't post a link that promises the hottest chick in the history of ever naked if you can't deliver. I'm just saying.
Like I said earlier
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
03:43:27 PM
I told you what to google if you want to see her. I think we all know how to use google.
God does it show
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
03:44:39 PM
yeah in her fucking bank account. Teens don't do research anymore either.
Man why does ComicbookDb
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
03:47:07 PM
Always fuck up? They need to get on a new server.
Not the point
by Mr.FTW
Jul 1st, 2009
03:54:47 PM
I wanted to see so I got Powder Blue on Bluray,nake Biel in high def (which is awesome) I m just talking about the bait and switch. That would be like if Detective comics was featuring a unnecessary 3rd or 4th rate character in stead of Batman... oh wait.
Ehhh
by Series7
Jul 1st, 2009
04:01:17 PM
It was sneeky to get you to read other reivews besides AICN's ones, I know but I am a trickster.
The Golden Age
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
04:24:31 PM
Super-hero comics do not make up very much of my collection. I do not think the sun rises or sets on Superman or Batman. I enjoy them from time to time, but that's not why I read comics. I can even enjoy the odd Golden or Silver Age comic, but my brains starts to turn to mush after about 15 pages. Reading through a Superman Archive, I was amazed that they managed to make a story feel rushed and padded at the same time, for in the middle of a exposition heavy tale, a sneak thief breaks into Clark Kent's room, discovers he's really Superman, then dies as Clark chases him... and this has nothing to do with the rest of the story. But mostly I'm a Vertigo/Indy sort of guy, which is why I probably enjoy The Spirit as much as I do, because I see a large chunk of that style coming from Eisner, Gaines, Kurtzman, and the rest of the sick EC crew. But old Batman or Spider-Man comics... they really don't speak to me in any way. They're fun in short bursts, I recognize the historical importance, but, again, that's not why I read comics.
A Couple Examples Of Why Silver Age Marvel Makes My Head Hurt
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
04:36:38 PM
In the first issue of Fantastic Four, Reed shoots up an emergency flare. The Thing tears up two city streets and a door getting there, while Torch melts his friends' car and has an atomic(!) missile shot at him over the city. What's the emergency? There's a situation that has Reed concerned and he's going to be keeping an eye on it for now... meaning this wasn't an emergency. How about later, in the middle of the big Galactus fight, the Fantastic Four take a group bathroom break... as Earth's final moments count down. Ummm, okay. How about a bit of X-Men. Profess X discovers a mutant at a nearby circus and invites Blob to join. Blob tells them where to shove it and attempt to go back to the circus. Cyclops, the hero of our story, forcibly attempts to prevent Blob from leaving (ummm, kidnapping) and inadvertently turns Blob to a life of crime. Now I know this is considered tons of fun for the folks who grew up with it, but the first time I read any of this stuff, I was in my 30s and I found I could not get into stories that so casually tossed little things like common sense out the window. I understand their importance, but, to quote the Shat, "I CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT!" :)
And Seriously....
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
04:48:07 PM
It's a little hard to compare most Golden Age books to Citizen Kane or Maltese Falcon (both of which were made several decades after the birth of movies). Chronologically speaking, you could probably compare them to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing or Neil Gaiman's Sandman. Saying I don't like Golden Age super-heroes is more like saying I don't like Silent Movie Era slapstick.
I'd say common sense is overrated
by stones_throw
Jul 1st, 2009
04:52:21 PM
Why did the X-Men and Blob fight? Because they've both got cool powers and it makes for good comic book action. I first read FANTASTIC FOUR #1 in an anthology of Marvel number ones when I was about seven years old. The opening is a fantastic way of establishing their powers and personalities. You know who they are, it flashes back to how they got that way, then they're off to fight Mole Man. Maybe it wouldn't wash today, when writers spend five issues establishing a superhero's motive to go fight the villain, but back then comic books were visuals led.

Ehh, I told this to Baytor already...

There's nothing wrong...
by Joenathan
Jul 1st, 2009
04:54:14 PM
with taking five issues to establish motivation, if its done well.
As I Said...
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:02:44 PM
I wasn't a youngster when I first read Silver Age Marvel. I think I read a few Spideys as a kid and the first six issues of The Hulk (which didn't make tons of sense to me even when I was eight), but I grew up on DC. Mostly stuff like House Of Mystery, but the DC super-heroes were the only ones I had more than a passing familiarity of, due to the simple fact that Marvel Comics tended to continue and I got my comics from a Used Book store and consecutive numbers were a rarity. Even DC super-hero stuff was an iffy proposition. Mostly, I think I was just far too old to be fully charmed by Marvel. I just see the massive plot-holes and gratuitous fight scenes that would make Michael Bay blush :)
If you are a film critic and you said you didn't like Silent Era
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
05:05:17 PM
You would be brushing off Chaplin, Keaton, Arbuckle, Lloyd and a bunch of other greats.

Early comic book might be the same as early Silent Films, but show me a director who doesn't appreciate Murnau, Griffith, Dryer, Eisenstein or even Edwin S. Porter and I will show you someone who is probably a sub-par director.

Not saying you are wrong, just stating my opinion.

Did I Brush Off...
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:14:29 PM
Will Eisner, Harvey Kurtzman, Bill Gaines, Al Feldstein, Joe Orlando, Reed Crandall, Jack Davis, Bill Elder, John Severin, Al Williamson, Wally Wood, and Jack Cole. If there's a comic that is comparable to Griffith or Chaplin, trust me, I want to know about it and read it. But most Golden Age comics were written for 10 year old boys and don't exactly scale up to adulthood too readily. Back in the day, the head of DC was convinced that only kids and semi-literate adults read comics. Stan Lee came close to quitting comics because he didn't respect what he was writing. Will Eisner is downright insulting to the vast majority of the Golden Age by saying that comics were written for "ten-year old cretins". The sad fact is that the horrible reputation comics had is mostly earned. The Will Eisners and Harvey Kurtzmans and even Stan Lee & Jack Kirby (even though I'm not terribly fond of them) are few and far between. Seriously, if there's some Golden Age comics that are up to the standard of The Spirit, EC's New Trend line, and Plastic Man; I desperately want to know about them. But Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman really aren't up to that standard.
Captain Marvel (Shazam)
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:20:09 PM
That's one I've been meaning to read for the longest time. Otto Binder is a mad, mad, mad man, as his Jimmy Olsen comics will attest.
Joe Orlando also drew...
by stones_throw
Jul 1st, 2009
05:23:26 PM
...probably the most awful issues of DAREDEVIL ever published. Daredevil is unusual for Silver Age Marvel in that it didn't get a steady artist until Wally Wood and even then probably didn't hit its stride until Gene Colan came aboard. Those few issues before Wally Wood (who redesigned the ugly yellow and red costume) are too much even for me. He actually goes to space with Electro in the second issue. I can't recall why.
A question for any readers out there!
by stones_throw
Jul 1st, 2009
05:26:47 PM
Does anyone know if Daredevil has been back to outer space since then? Maybe Andy Diggle will address it in his forthcoming run. I'd "Diggle" it.
I'm not saying they are
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
05:27:51 PM
Just like Edwin S. Porter isn't up at the same level as John Ford or Sergio Leone. But I don't know any serious film critic or director who doesn't have an appreciation for the earlier filmmakers, even those who skills levels were not equal to those who came later. Why? Because they were the innovators who we base the craft on. I mean, is there not an English Lit. major out there who hasn't read Beowulf, which is as awkward of read as you can find?

As for being for "10 year old cretins", the same could be said about the film industry, even when Chaplin and others worked in it. Film has long been looked down as being somehow "inferior" to theatre, especially in the first half of the century. It was mass entertainment, and mass entertainment isn't known for being high brow.

Now I am not saying you are wrong in your opinions, I just saw it as being strange and a little bizarre for a comic book critic to say he didn't like the "Golden Age" of his medium. Of course, you could argue you don't think it is a Golden Age, everyone is entitled but it just struck me as strange.

I'd Wager...
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:38:48 PM
A lot of comic critics haven't even bothered to read much Golden Age material. As for the "cretin" quote, that was Will Freakin' Eisner who said (and endlessly repeated) it. That's a man who was in the trenches working on comics at the beginning and pretty much despaired at the sea of crap surrounding him. I don't think Stan Lee was proud of anything he had written before Fantastic Four #1. The Spirit, EC, Plastic Man, and Captain Marvel (Shazam) are among a handful of Golden Age comics that are hailed as absolute classics. Batman & Superman hold a place in history, but they don't tend to get heaps of critical praise.
And as for comic books being written for "10-year old cretins"
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
05:39:09 PM
Since you like Vertigo/Independent comics it might not apply to you, but you could easily say that comics nowadays are written for 20 and 30-something losers who are still obsessed with childish power fulfillment fantasies of guys in costumes with funky names and abilities.

And yes, since I do read superhero comics so that would just as easily apply to me as everyone else. But you can't criticize how old comics were written for kids without also pointing out how adult comics are still mostly about the characters FROM those kid comics. At least they were honest about the target audience; we just like to come up with excuses why we read something that should be exclusively for Liam the Kid.

Now excuse me, I am going to look at my Essential Avengers vol. 3...

30 Year Old Cretins
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:42:06 PM
Often sounds about right, especially if I've visited the John Byrne Forum recently :)
MastorBaytor
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
05:42:35 PM
People in the studio system have been putting down the quality of there films for years as well. I never assumed you said it, and i can understand why Eisner said it. He was pigeonholed by the market place - 10 year old kids. Just like most Hollywood filmmakers were pigeonholed by the marketplace and force to make westerns or some other type of action film.

And just for the record, I am not trying to insult you in anyway. I am just stating my opinion, which differs from yours. But at the same time I respect your opinion....

Except for Lee/Kirby. They were awesome.

I'm Mostly Giving You Sh*t
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:47:16 PM
for the classic film comparison (Golden Age comics tend not to rate that high even among comic pros of the time). We all know The Spirit is the Citizen Kane of comics. Might be "The Birth Of A Nation" of comics, too; what with Ebony and all. :P Crime SuspenStories was the Maltese Falcon :)
I was a huge John Byrne fan
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
05:48:46 PM
He was my first comic book artist/writer who I followed religiously. I remember getting a couple of issues of Iron Fist, Marvel Team Up (the Arcade/Captain Britain 2-parter), the Avengers, Doomsday+1 and some of the X-Men when i was really young, and then collecting every issue of the FF, Alpha Flight, Superman and She-Hulk. I even liked his latter stuff like WCA and Next Men. After that though...

Man, it is sad what he has become. One of the true greats in comics and now he is just bitter and obsolete.

MastorBator you ever read comic strips?
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
05:50:59 PM
Like Dick Tracy or Terry & the Pirates? I got to say, that stuff rocks. Especially Terry & the Pirates. It has all the character motivation/development stuff Joenathan would love - after years of development the Dragon Lady goes from a typical Asian villainess to this incredibly mult-layered character. Damn good stuff.
John Byrne
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:53:15 PM
If you want comedy, catch him dissecting a Silver Age Marvel comic. He'll find like a bazillion nit-picky errors (the shop owner is reacting to The Thing taking off his coat but he's not looking at him in the panel)... while not seeing the big, gaping plot holes and completely illogical moments (the U.S. military shot an atomic missile at The Torch over a heavily populated city). Then he complains endlessly about a plot-hole in an Alan Moore comic that is actually explained in-story.
Comic Strips
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
05:55:33 PM
Always mean to check out one of the big action/adventure strips of the Golden Age. Never seem to get around to it. I seem to have that comic strip blindness that many comic fans tend to have.
Good early DC is mostly very select
by stones_throw
Jul 1st, 2009
06:06:26 PM
There are good Batman and Superman stories from the 1940s. Most of them were written by Jerry Siegel or drawn by Ira Yarbrough or Wayne Boring. I've read some great ones, although most, especially the really early stuff, are pretty dull and like Baytor says somehow both underwritten and overwritten. On the Batman side, I've read less of that but Dick Sprang is similarly revered. Marvel, or Timely as it was known, was as far as I can make out largely an also-ran and DC imitator until the early Sixties.
Batman: From The 30s To The 70s
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
06:18:14 PM
That was one of the few comics in my house that stayed around forever. The other one was the Golden Age Super-Hero Origin book whose name I keep forgetting. I have a tremendous fondness for the stories I read back when I was a kid. Stories I read as an adult... not so much. Oddly, the Spirit story in that origin book was one I absolutely hated (and still don't like), and made me think The Spirit had a white suit for ages and ages. But mostly, comics were gathered up once a month and taken back to the Used Book store to trade in for more comics. Me and my Dad would work our way through the stack of war, horror, and western comics.
X-F, Sirens, Incog, AXM and Biel
by Homer Sexual
Jul 1st, 2009
06:32:11 PM
I am again in the minority, as I am about to drop X-Factor from my huge, 6-13 titles a week list. I just find Layla Miller uninteresting, and the whole series is rather smug and self-satisfied. I already read the Time Travelers Wife, and I didn't like that book, either. ps. I have last week's X-Factor, but haven't read it yet.

Gotham City Sirens could've been a 9 but was indeed a 6.5 or 7, due to March's art. It was serviceable at best, missing both the fun and the sexiness it needed. Not exactly Dodson level. Still, will NEVER drop this book. Mixing "strong female characters" with blatant sexy fun is totally my thing, and Harley Quinn is my #1 favorite character in comics. Yes, I love Jessica Drew, but Harley is waaaay better.

Haven't read last week's Incognito, either, which doesn't indicate me loving it. I quite enjoyed the first two issues, but don't remember #3 very well, and fear the book is heading into "it's fine" but not memorable territory.

Lethal Legion, you say? Well, I will check the price on that and if it's $2.99, I'll buy it.

I personally wouldn't call Whedon's AXM a run for the ages. We'll see, but I don't expect it to be remembered that much. I felt it was fine, rather airless and slow. Not much fun at all considering who did it.

When all comics go to $3.99 I am going to cut my stack in half, because that is just ridiculous. Marvel is sneaky right now, varying the price of the same books from month to month. Very Sly.

oops, forgot about Biel
by Homer Sexual
Jul 1st, 2009
06:33:26 PM
She's a living mannequin. She and her male counterpart, the also ridiculously good-looking yet entirely lacking in personality, Ryan Reynolds, should make a movie together.

Oh, yeah, they did. See, everyone forgot about it.

Golden Age comics
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
06:34:37 PM
It was a huge market back then with so many titles that you have to look around to see the stuff that was any good (and I think a lot of the better comic books were not being done by either DC or Timely, or even Fawcett). Unlike the Golden Age of Film where they best movies dominated theatre space, I think the Golden Age of comics the 10% good had to fight out for rack space with the 90% crap every month.

Spirit was obviously mint, and so was Plastic Man at Quality, Phantom Lady had some pretty provocative covers, Wonder Woman at DC during the Golden Age was just a brilliant study in using subliminal sex to sell and broadcast ideas; Captain Marvel is probably the best example of the superhero as child wish fulfillment ever; Captain America was actually a damn good horror comic; Batman and Superman varied in quality issue to issue; and Airboy was pretty good.

My unsung title of the Golden Age is Harvey Comic's Black Cat. I think it holds up pretty well, and I think the extra stuff in the back like the jujitsu lessons are just awesome (and predating Punisher's similar advice in the 80's and 90s by four decades).

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And John Byrne, while I'm here.
by Homer Sexual
Jul 1st, 2009
06:37:18 PM
I was so bummed when he quit She-Hulk, and over the silliest thing. I didn't know at the time that he quit because his editor (Bobbi Harris? Something like that) and he argued about Jennifer breaking razors trying to shave her legs, and Byrne quit because he said she wouldn't waste more than one razor blade.

Of all the nits to pick, but he has done good work as both writer and artist (Next Men, for example) and I would still check out something he did (unlike his x-partner, Claremont.)

The Great Comic Book Heroes
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
06:37:30 PM
That's the name of the origin book put together by Jules Feiffer, whose essay appeared within... and was cribbed by Kill Bill.
Ah I love Dan Slott
by kuryakin
Jul 1st, 2009
06:40:57 PM
Love him It warms my heart to think that he was showing The Kid and his brother that stuff from Spidey 600 when I'd imagine Marvel were trying to keep it under wraps. He's like a comic Santa! That's a guy that understands the pure enjoyment of comics, for their own sake without any shame or any desire to be doing something else When I read 90% of modern comics, and that Mark Millar style bullshit of "Ok here's the deal: Batman goes to prison and gets fucked in the ass" I just think these pricks are ashamed of comics, they're ashamed of the goofiness and the weirdness and want to try and step away from that nerd image, whereas Mr Slott loves it and is cool with it Remember that Thing mini a year or so ago, when Spidey still had that shitty gold & red suit? And the Thing was giving him shit about why he only had three robo-arms, so he had seven 'legs' in total? "People are just going to think you can't count" Exactly motherfucker, exactly
Sorry gang
by kuryakin
Jul 1st, 2009
06:42:04 PM
Thought I had put some breaks in that last post
Comics Were So Much Better
by MasterBaytor
Jul 1st, 2009
06:43:56 PM
When Plastic Man was getting high on reefer and getting in a shoot-out with the cops.
Seriously, that's a story.
Watchmen extended cut...
by Orionsangels
Jul 1st, 2009
06:54:33 PM
They ruined a scene for me in the Watchmen extended cut. When Dr Manhattan is on the talk show and screams LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Rather than teleport to Mars. He teleports nowhere, but to the same place, but now the studio is empty. But then we kind of do get the scene. This time Night Owl is watching the Talk show on TV. Then Dr Manhattan screams LEAVE ME ALONE!!! again and now we teleport to Mars with Dr Manhattan. The entire scene is ruined. The build up is gone. That being said there are a few added scenes I like. Dr Manhattan's extended attack during the Vietnam war. Now features a cool shot of the helicopter carrying the Comedian flyby Dr Manhattan. As the Comedian is shooting his pistol like a wild man. He jumps off the copter and comes upon a Vietnamese with a torn off leg. He grins and roast him alive. What a bastard. The original scene was more simplistic. Dr Manhattan appears, zaps a few guys, comedian burns someone.
Kuryakin nailed it
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
06:59:36 PM
Kuryakin, that was one of the best and most dead-on posts I've read on here in literally ages. All my months of trying to sum up why I generally think alot of these new-style writers and their bullshit Millar-isms are total shit, and Kuryakin locks it down in one post. "Batman goes to prison and gets fucked in the ass" is so perfect, I wish I had wrote it, "trapped in amber" has now been officially put to shame.
thats what she said, goosued!
by ironic_name
Jul 1st, 2009
07:03:13 PM
Future TB post
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
07:03:32 PM
"I don't really like Green Lantern. Has that trapped in amber feel."
Reply
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
07:04:46 PM
"Yeah, but I can't get into Millar of Bendis. They have that "Batman assfucked in prison" thing going on."
Golden Age stuff
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
07:06:26 PM
I'm generally interested in what happened in those comics as it pertains to today's continuity, but I have no interest in reading them. As I have stated before, when Buzz would do his reviews of "Classic Masterworks" or whatever, I would never read them. They weren't classic and aren't really masterworks. I understand a certain affection as viewed through the prism of sentimental nostalgia, but 98% of them are generally unreadable. I've stated on here before, you don't have to go all the way back to the 40's. try reading alot of 70's and 80's stuff now. Tripe, completely and utterly. Crisis on Infinite Earths? Tripe. Iron Man? Not nearly as good as you remember it. Cap? Mostly god-awful. Keep in mind I'm speaking of trying to read it now, as an adult. 3 storylines stand out off the top of my head as genuinely awesome even today: Masters of Evil invade the mansion, Sin Eater in Spidey, The Judas Contract in Titans (and thats borderline). I supposed DKR and Killing Joke, throw those in there.
Get Millar to write Green Lantern
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
07:08:49 PM
Beside that being a truly hilarious thought, then you can say "I dunno, Hal fucking Batman in the ass in prison seems kinda trapped-in-ambery". And then the universe can implode in onto itself in a black hole of suckyness.
Homer, I agree on X-Factor
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
07:16:34 PM
You'll find no bigger early X Factor/Madrox/Peter David supporter then me. I'll admit, the big reveal with Madrox's child was handled amazingly (THATS why you bring in Peter David, to write that issue. No one does it better, you bring in Bru to write hard boiled crime action, and you bring in Peter David to write issues like that, plain and simple). However......as much as I WANT to like that title, I simply am not feeling it. I havent spoken up because I thought I was alone on the island on this one, but I HATE Val Cooper. I hate everything about that side of X-Factor. I hate their boring missions that no one cares about, I hate Rictor being more useless then a screen door on a submarine, I hate Longshot and his hollow bones, I hate Siryn's one-note bitchfest. It is amazingly boring, and unfortunately IT TAKES UP HALF THE BOOK!! And the one character who IS consistently awesome, Madrox, is stuck in...wait for it....."Dystopian X-Future #3,781: Just Like Every Other Dystopian Future!!". I dont care!!! Its not the real future!! It never is! Its just yet ANOTHER alternate timeline to the power of infinity, and I simply dont give a shit. I wanna like it, I do, and it's holding on by a slim slim margin with me, but man, that title is making it hard to care anymore.
Heres an idea
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
07:18:23 PM
Have an alternate future that is really happy. Everything rules. People are hot and getting laid 3 times a day. Oh, and rich. And only need to sleep 2 hours a night. Let's try that and see how it grabs ya.
Utopian Future
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
07:24:15 PM
I actually suggested that before. Have a future were humans and mutants live in Harmony, were the Pym particle brings abundant food to everyone, where the Super-Soldier formula was recreated so everyone is perfect, where the crippled and handicapped have a Stark exo-skeleton, and where Reed Richards work in anti-gravity and space travel which means we have colonies on other planets.

I mean, what is the point of these heroes if they are not working for a better future? Imagine showing a GI during WWII a film that says "hey, guess what? You failed and the Nazis conquered the world!"

Goose, I also disagree with you about older comics
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
07:29:10 PM
I can still pull out most of my Bronze Age collections and enjoy them because they do what they promise to do, bring me a tale of super-hero adventure. Pretty much anything Roger Stern did back then holds up, and so does a lot of other titles. Most modern comics bore me because they are not fun to read at all.
For example - Wanted.
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
07:32:59 PM
Which part of Wanted makes it superior to old comics? The part where he rapes that actress? The part where we meet characters named Shithead and Fucktard? Or the part where Eminem looks at the readers and says "This is my face while I fuck you in the ass"? I think I will just stick with my old, dated stories of when Cap faced off against Korvac all by himself.
The early Beck/Binder Captain Marvels are great.......
by archer1949
Jul 1st, 2009
07:57:41 PM
Bright, clever and whimsical without being silly and childish. These guys could make the idea of a talking anthropomorphic tiger seem reasonable and actually quite cool. Definitely better than the Superman stuff coming out at the same time. Also check out William Moulton Marston's early Wonder WOman stuff. Not exactly great narrative-wise, but a WEIRD, fascinating window into one brilliant dude's very.....singular world view. Very ahead of it's time,
Continentalop
by MCVamp
Jul 1st, 2009
08:15:36 PM
"show me a director who doesn't appreciate Murnau, Griffith, Dryer, Eisenstein or even Edwin S. Porter and I will show you someone who is probably a sub-par director." Get ready for a lot of shitty summers at the movies...like, say, this one.
Well, Wanted is a bad example LOL
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
08:20:30 PM
Your talking about the shitstain at the bottom of the bowl of modern comics there, literally the worst of the worst. So you win on that one, Crisis crushes that one like a bug LOL I was going to give an example of say, Ex Machina, which is so far advanced over some late-70's Flash comic that it doesnt seem like they are even the same medium, honestly. However, Ex Machina isnt exactly known for a sense of freewheeling fun.....Ok, I can't believe I'm going to say this after all the trash I've talked, but......Green Lantern. Combines the fun, comic-y aspects of old school with the newer, "actually talk in some passing resemblence to how people might actually talk" aspects of today's comics. Best of both worlds (as is Nova). I would argue the dearly departed Iron Fist combined old and new school in a way that spanked the Bronze Age stuff like a naughty baby. Early Slott She Hulk. The aforementioned Peter David Hulk run (Future Imperfect, one of the all time slam dunk fucking awesome dystopian future stories EVER, could not have been written before 1988 or so, just couldnt have). I loved Whedon's run on Astonishing, couldn't love it more, and that doesnt even seem like the same language as the Bronze Age stuff.
Goose
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
08:56:32 PM
Of course what is permitted changes with each generation. Maybe Future Imperfect couldn't have existed pre-1988, but it never would have existed at all if they hadn't done Deathlok or Day's of Future Past, and they probably wouldn't have existed if there weren’t some sort of imaginary Superman or Batman story. Nothing exists in a vacuum, and everyone builds on the work of those before him or her.

The other thing is taste changes. I am a movie aficionado, so I can watch a lot of old or foreign movies. Most people can't, However, I do laugh when people say "Oh, it was good for its day" when describing Citizen Kane or some Film Noir like Out of the Past or Kiss of Death. Sorry, but it is good for any day, it is just that the audience taste and expectations have changed. The style of that film is no longer in a manner that audience members can appreciate; they can’t handle the acting styles, the b&w film and the expressionism. So people laugh at those movies and call them old fashion, which they are because those images have become so redundant (of course, in 30-40 years people will be laughing at modern movies just as much and finding them, redundant – robot testes might become a film trope).

The same thing with comic books. Modern audiences find old comic book stories redundant and want something else besides just super-hero fantasy - they want the illusion of sophistication and adult subject matter; just like guys in the 70s wanted the illusion that they were tackling social issues and guys in the 40s wanted them to tackle Nazis. Each generation expects something different out of comic books, but it doesn't make one generation intrinsically superior to another. It just means there tastes are different.

I could also point out how all these advances in comic books they have yet to come up with better characters than the big guys who appeared in the Golden or Silver Age, or have come up with more mind-blowing events than the original Galactus Trilogy, the death of Gwen Stacy, or death of Phoenix (first one).

I hope I don’t sound condescending, that isn't my aim. I am just stating my theory of how one era might be more “advanced”, it doesn’t necessarily make it better. Most of it is a matter of taste. Personally, I am a fan of older books because A) it is the era I grew up in so I am inclined to like them more; and B) to paraphrase Kuryakin, they seem to be less interested in ass-fucking Batman in prison.

I'm writing to much here
by Continentalop
Jul 1st, 2009
08:57:24 PM
I am done. Long winded post suck for everyone else.
Cont
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
11:09:21 PM
I think we both agree on the substance and simply disagree on personal taste. I'll just leave it at this, in that some of those Green Arrow/Green Lantern, Spidey, Iron Man (the alcoholism saga), Cap (when Gruenwald was running the show) Avengers (Kree/Skrull, Death of Captain Marvel) stories are good for any era. For my own PERSONAL TASTE (strictly personal), those stories are fewer and farther between then maybe for you. But was some quality work being done in the time period? Yes. We simply disagree on the quantity, not the quality.
Oh, and
by gooseud
Jul 1st, 2009
11:12:03 PM
Since it hasnt been mentioned, I'll give an old school shout out to something I cant believe I forgot: the epic, legendary Simonson run on Thor. You wanna talk about something that holds up today like the day it was written, there's your run. You could put that run out today untouched, as is, not a word altered, and people would be jizzing their pants. IT'S GOLD, JERRY!!!
Continentalop is allowed to give DOOM information!
by V. von Doom
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:49:28 AM
We seem to be on the same "old school" wavelength. But on the subject of Fu Manchu: Granted, I didn't know Marvel had lost the rights. (I didn't know there were any more to lose! I thought he was public domain by now.) But the Bullpen would never stick its neck out again to get them back. Look at what's been done recently to the Asian villians like the Mandarin and the Yellow Claw, and it's obvious they want to put a lot of distance between modern-day Marvel and the racist stuff of the past. Since Shang Chi has never been a title recognized by the general public, they just drop that detail about his origin and let the readers suss out the rest (good son at war with bad father -- at least he has a hot girlfriend to make up for his familial angst).
finally finished reading this TB
by the milf lover
Jul 2nd, 2009
02:28:03 AM
and I'm still laughing over the cat twitter bit. "3:00PM licking my ass" good one Series.
So the only comic shop on Maui closed
by Law Talkin Guy
Jul 2nd, 2009
02:46:21 AM
And therefore I guess I need to start ordering them off the internet now, as much as I hate that idea. Anyone have a preferred site for that?
Herr Doctor Doom, 2 things
by Continentalop
Jul 2nd, 2009
04:36:11 AM
1) The family of Sax Rohmer I believe still hold the rights. The copy right was extended (and I think a special law was based to extend it). Whatever the case, I know that he is not a public domain character in North America or Europe, as both Marvel had to stop using him and Moore couldn't use him in LOEG (he was only referred to as The Doctor or The Devil Doctor, never by his name.)
Second thing
by Continentalop
Jul 2nd, 2009
04:39:41 AM
2) I agree about the PCism. Sure Fu Manchu, Mandarin and Yellow Claw are sinophobic and negative stereotypes, but they were also awesome archetypes. I mean, no one is changing Dracula or Dr. Doom because they are stereotypical Eastern European villains. Maybe they should just reduce their stereotypical elements without reducing their villainy (which is what unfortunately happened to Yellow Claw in AOA).
Golden Age Silver Age Debate
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
06:04:08 AM
Let me ask this, how often do you guys read the bible?

If we want to get technical Superman is a ripoff of Jesus. Does that mean I need to commit the new testament to memory to be a comic reviewer?

It's fine to show reverence for forgotten times, honestly it's how we progress as a society, but to fault someone for not liking these pieces seems a bit extreme.

With each year I see scenes, snippets or ideas that have come from books past. It's kind of our nature though. Take the common tenets of humanity and find new ways to articulate those ideas into the voice of the current generation.

As a theater major I was always ostracized by my erudite counterparts becasue I could not stand doing Shakespere(sic). My tolerence level for poetry is about 20 minutes not 4 hours plus. Does this mean I hate theater , far from it - Durang, Stoppard, Neil Simon - I love them all.

Time marches on and changes us. Appreciate the old stories for what they were and where they brought us. And hey if you love reading the oldies and the modern stuff, more power to you.

I THOUGHT I'd Like Golden Age Comics...
by Buzz Maverik
Jul 2nd, 2009
08:07:51 AM
...but most of 'em, I just can't relate to. I like a lot of the art. Stuff like the Spirit is great and holds up. Golden age horror, crime and westerns work better for me than the supes.

Silver age, I mostly associate with DC, and while I can appreciate a lot of it, I've had to admit that I'm a DC-curious Marvel Zombie.

Chronologically, I suppose that early Stan/Jack/Steve Marvel heroes fall into the Silver Age, but I associate it more with the Bronze Age, which means that I started reading comics as a pre-school kid in the Tarnished Bronze Age and became a hardcore reader during the Marvel Horror/Kung Fu/Blaxploitation/Dinosaur era, which I still the standard that I judge comics by.

However...I don't expect a modern comic to be written like those Bronze nuggets, although I do expect it to elicit that same level of excitement. A comic book can be anything except boring and be okay. It can be stupid as long as it's not boring.

I recently E-Bayed off a lot of my Bronze age comics. So many of my favorites don't hold up. The art is amazing but the writing is often the trouble. Not that even popular, current comic writing is much better. I wanted to like WANTED but it never got any further than wanting.

Mostly, what I got out of studying Golden and Silver Age superhero comics is empathy for people who don't like the comics I grew up on.

how often do you guys read the bible?
by Series7
Jul 2nd, 2009
08:55:12 AM
Everday, all day. I don't want to go to hell with all the weirdos.
I agree with Buzz 1000%
by gooseud
Jul 2nd, 2009
08:57:51 AM
The writing is the problem. Art? Usually pretty great, alot of times I think the art is better back then, actually (coughcoughAdlardonWalkingDead coughcough), but the writing, ohhhhhhhh that writing. Yikes. Thats pretty much my argument in a nutshell on this topic: the best drawn books of today hold up against the best drawn books of yesterday. However, the best written books of today blow away the best written books of yesterday. Sorry, but I firmly believe there is nothing from the mid 70-s (and god knows nothing from before then) that is as well written as Fables, Sandman, Y, DKR, Etc. Are we seriously arguing that late 60's/early 70's Superman, take any single issue from a 10 year span, is better written then All Star Supes? Yeah, they are fun, but you realize by making that argument you are falling firmly on the Michael Bay side of things: mindless fun trumps all else. Some may disagree, but thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Secret Warriors
by ThusSpakeSpymunk
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:01:21 AM
Comics fans are some of the most resistant-to-change people I know. I, for one, am interested in seeing NEW CHARACTERS develop. See, my thinking is that at one point Dum Dum Dugan was new, and people had to get to know him, and come to like him. Same with these new guys. My hope is that they'll stick to developing these people in longer brush-strokes so it's a gradual process, until you don't even realize how much you care for the characters. "Aw, no - they're not gonna kill off Phobos, are they? NO!" It'll happen, if you just open your mind a little. They're good characters, and so far one of my favorite moments from the series was all of the Secret Warriors sharing a drink and discussing eachother's lives.
Continentalop
by Series7
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:05:20 AM
The big difference between golden age stuff and todays stuff that you hate is all the angst people in their 20-mid 30's have now. Most of those people grew up during the grudge age of music, and hating authority and life became the norm. While to older people, the form of revolt and rebellion was being a hippie, and they weren't into dick and ass jokes as much as grudge people are. Don't know if that makes any sense, but it does to me. Times change pretty much.
Continentalop
by ThusSpakeSpymunk
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:07:21 AM
Fu Manchu, Mandarin, Yellow Claw - heck, even Egg Foo Yung - all of them are gross stereotypes in their inception, but at the same time ... does that mean that characters can't be INCIDENTALLY Asian while stil being totally evil?

There was a chat online with some of the creative people doing the excremental FLASH GORDON for Sci-Fi Channel before the show aired, and they were taking questions, and this was before they had even done any casting annoncements etc. My question: "So, before I even know anything about your show, I already know that you're definitively not going to allow Ming the Merciless to be Asian, and will instead go with the new anti-Capitalism trope of making him a rich, white businessman. Why can't an Asian be a bad guy?" There was a significant pause and my question got a reply: "We're really excited about the new direction we're taking FLASH GORDON and hope you give us a chance!" ****ers. They were pwned and they knew it.

My point isn't how cool I am. Similar to the crap with Aang being white for THE LAST AIRBENDER WHICH ISN'T CALLED AVATAR ANY MORE THANKS TO M. NIGHT WUSSING OUT, the PC efforts only HURT the material. Ming is Asian. Aang is Asian. Mandarin should be Asian, too.

It Must Be Said
by MasterBaytor
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:19:55 AM
Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen kicks ass.

I'm Serious.

No, really, I'm serious. I saw it on IMAX twice. A bit over-long and with a plot that doesn't make much sense, but I enjoyed it, leg humping and all.
MasterBaytor
by Series7
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:24:04 AM
Were their any sterotypical Asian characters in the movie?
Racist, but it's for the laughs
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:36:39 AM
I think the only slant I saw was Megan Fox's vag when she was working on the motorcycle....

Easy folks it was purely for humor....I will send this to three of my Asian friends to atone.

Optimus Prime
by MasterBaytor
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:44:53 AM
... posed for pictures with the rest of the Autobots and they were using their fingers to make their eyes slanted. Except for the Ghetto-Bots, they're above that kind of racist nonsense. They're keeping it real, you pussies.
Master
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:49:01 AM
Is that racist though since they were Japanese to begin with....
Continentalop/Utopian Future
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:55:03 AM
All that stuff you mentioned would just lead to this fascist "we know what is best for you future" storyline and you know who would write it... Thats right, Millar. Bend over, Batman.
It Is...
by MasterBaytor
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:55:32 AM
When they start singing "Turning Japanese" while humping one another.
Captain America: Rebirth = Slaughterhouse Five?
by LaserPants
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:58:32 AM
Captain America unstuck in time? Was he in Dresden too? I hope theres a spaceship part.
My favorite part about Wanted?
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
09:58:46 AM
Is how crazy it drives people. I mean, its not that good a comic, but man, does it stick around.

What is it about that comic that gets stuck in your craws so much, folks? The rape? The names? It can't be, because Ennis does the same shit all the time, in like every issue of almost every book he's ever done. So, what is it about Wanted?
Wow, there was only one comic shop in Maui
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
10:04:44 AM
I guess there's no room for an in-door activity in an out-door world. On a related note... Why don't they make more things featuring Surfer Girls?
Spymunk, I like you
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
10:06:46 AM
Lets chat at length about Secret Warriors sometime.
PCism
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
10:13:54 AM
ITs not that characters, even bad characters, CAN'T be asian, they just can't be Asian Stereotypes. Badwriters can walk that line. i.e. the people who did Flash Gordon (barf)
Can't
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
10:14:15 AM
can't walk that line...
Golden/silver age
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
10:30:31 AM
I disagree, generally, those old books are fantastic. I'm not one to tolerate "goofy" which is why I don't read much DC superhero stuff, but the unbridled weird of those early books, the freedome and willingness to go anywhere shinies in a way that can't hlp but make you smile.

Of course, this doesn't mean that I can't see the point of the people who don't enjoy reading them. Those comics certainly aren't familiar with the word "subtle" or bother much with 3-d characters, as defined by today's standards. Also, certain tropes that were common, every issue standards, now seem to silly to bear.

I mean, how many times is Clark going to change just around the corner from the snooping bitch, Lois? Hey Clark! Go change somewhere else!

But the arguement that without those old comics, there would be no new is very, very valid. While I would agree that All Star Supes is a vastly superior comic to maybe just about every other comic ever made, it owes almost the entirety of its being to those crazy old Superman one shot silver age yarns with their insane sensational covers.

Concurrently, though, people say that there hasn't been any new characters as good as the old, and first off, I find that to be a massive and incorrect generalization. Secondly, I think the lack of a flood of front-line, big-time new characters is more due to corporate marketability and aversion to spend money on th unknown than a lack of creativity. You can't deny the creative powerhouse of current Marvel or the ability, but is Marvel going to stop showcasing Iron Man or Spider-man so they can spend the money on sombeody new? No. Its an issue that is beyond the realm of the creative staff and its not fair to deride them over it.

The end result, I think, is that exploring those old comics is not just worth it for some great, funny, weird, stories, but for understanding where the current stage of comics come from.
Joen Maui
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
10:38:33 AM
Where the hell did you find a comic shop????

When I was there last month we used the Garmin GPS and the closest shop was 200 miles away (which we just naturally assumed was on another island).

While I did end up staying next door to Lindsey Lohan and had a charming conversation with Kirstie Alley in LAX the vacation somehow felt incomplete without buying any books out there.

I didn't find one
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
10:53:06 AM
Someone higher up in the TB was lamenting that the only one in Maui had closed and I thought it was an interesting statement on the lifestyle/activity focus of a place like Hawaii -- people just don't have time to be indoors comic booking when there's the beach to be had... which made me think of Surfer Girls... Blue Crush was a good movie...
Anyone Read Batman and Robin?
by Series7
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:22:42 AM
Did it feel like it was missing a page toward the end? Also I didn't fucking know Robin was only 10, that makes the whole thing just a joke now.
had a charming conversation with Kirstie Alley??
by Series7
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:24:46 AM
About what? The magic of Oreos?

I was at LAX once I saw the almighty boxer of Aliens there, Charles S. Dutton. He saw me eyeing him up, but I knew that he had spent 10 years in prison for stabbing a guy before he became the original Roc and was too afraid to talk to him.

Now Now Series
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:33:36 AM
Yes she took up two seats, but she was very nice and corgial to someone that spanked a few out to her in her heyday.
Joen Maui
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:34:55 AM
They were right, there isn't one damn shop on Maui and I can say this with certainty since we drove the entire damn island (you know with the exception of the lava fields).
You Know
by steverodgers
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:39:19 AM
You have a comic book habit when you are in Hawaii on vacation driving around trying to find a comic book shop... I would do the same thing.
I would have driven on the lava fields,
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:45:24 AM
and I could have too, because I'm so cool.
Batman and Robin
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:47:33 AM
I didn't feel like there was a page missing, but Morrison did start o get "jumpy" at the end.

As for Robin being 10, thats how old Dick was when he started... besides, which is more improbable? 10 year old crime fighter? Flying Car? Toad man? Take your pick...
The original Robin was Eight
by MasterBaytor
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:51:44 AM
Seriously, eight fucking years old.
Steve
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:57:19 AM
no...no...no Mrs. Douche would not have tolerated a comic hunt.

You have to drive to get to anything on the island and since we were for 5 days we saw the ENTIRE island.

She gave me one chance at trying to find one on GPS, when I asked if she wanted to hop over to the big Island to visit one I recived her icy stare of death....

batman & robin
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
11:59:07 AM
I'll be hitting it next week, just submitted my review to Bug.

No. I don't think a dman thing was missing. And let us not forget Damien is a 10 year old raised by assasins. not even in the same league as the slow kid next door that still has to have velcro shoes because bunny ears confuse him.

Lava Fields
by steverodgers
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:01:43 PM
All the best shops are located in the lave fields. Speaking of habits, Joen did you get Dark Avengers/X-Men Alpha/Utopia (whatever it is)? Is it any good? I managed not to get it, but there are still copies at the shop and it’s kind of taunting me.
OD
by steverodgers
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:08:46 PM
That is hilarious. "Um so...just looking at the old GPS here, says that uh, just a quick plane ride to the big island and there is a shop right near the airport - it’s just that it's Thursday, and sometime they sell out of the good books, and uh... oh (looks into icy stare) just kidding! Just jokes… Comic books. Sheesh! They can wait! We're on vacation. let's go check out the lava fields!"
Mrs Douche always feels fresh...
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:09:35 PM
I picked up Utopia, but my stack is still untouched on the nightstand because of all that other stupid life crap that doesn't involve me lazily reading comic books. I did a quick glance through though and it seems pretty good. Enough that I'm going to pick up Uncanny for the next installment. It seems very Dark Avengers in tone, so if you're into that... but then, I've been trimming a lot of bubble books, so I got the extra space in pull list right now.
Maui Comics
by Law Talkin Guy
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:13:38 PM
See, the comics "shop" on Maui closed months back, but the comics guy continued to sell them out of his cottage until last week. Now he's had to close even that, so I'm out of luck.
Its Thursday...
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:13:52 PM
and I know I've got my pull list, but they could miss something... there's this new kid that works there... Yes, I do think this is vacation appropriate... Well, what about the local comic book shop color... I mean, we wanted to experience the local culture, right? This is... honey? Honey? Where are you... Are you taking a walk? Will you be gone long? Honey? Look, if you're go9nna be gone long, I'm just gonna hop on over to the big island...
I got to Utopia
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:20:29 PM
And I give a resounding WTF!!!!

Perfectly fine as a stand-alone issue, but here we go again with disjointed stories between all of the titles.

Look, I don't expect the stories to be seamless, but you have Emma in AXM as one person and here as another.

Beast is tripping through time in the last issue of Uncanny meanwhiel he's been incarcerated for months in this.

What am I missing?

I don't read Uncanny...
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:29:59 PM
So, I only know that they're in San Fran... other than that (shrug).

As for AXM, its always been a slightly out of phase, use in continuity as you wish type of thing... not too mention on hiatus for the last decade and a half between issues...

Also, I think this is the one that is supposed to bring the X-books back in step with the rest of the U.
Utopia
by steverodgers
Jul 2nd, 2009
12:35:11 PM
Seems like I am not missing much. Maybe if it's in the half-price trade bin at comic-con.
Utopia
by optimous_douche
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:02:32 PM
No, it really wasn't a bad issue. Plus, I haven't been following Dark Avengers, so this was a nice familiar acclimation. It actually made me want to get more Dark Reign stuff.

Here's my problem -- AXM was out of step during the Wheedon time (which I was cool with), but since Ellis took over it has been in-step.

not trying to be a continuity prude, but Uncanny 512 just came out last week and everything was honkeydorey in that and 511. Now all of a sudden the X-Men are equivalent to Hitler -- out of the clear blue.

Check back next week...
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:03:07 PM
I'll have read it by then... although trade-waiting seems like the smart move more and more often these days. I'm almost caught up with Invincible and I really like the 6 to 8 issue burst. Also, is anyone else here reading Scott Pilgrim?
Ellis was in-step?
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:06:30 PM
I mean, besides being in San Fran, the X-men seemed pretty well removed, as far as I could tell. Do they talk about the inter-dimensional war in Uncanny? I just looked at that last Ellis AXM last night again... man, talk about lackluster.

On the other hand, I've really enjoyed Dark Avengers and a lot of the Dark Reign stuff. I'm looking forward to The List books.
FInal Thing on GA & SA
by Continentalop
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:22:37 PM
I'm not demanding someone has to watch or read it everyday, or even be a fan of it, BUT I will say I just found it strange that a person who is a comic book critic wouldn't be a fan. It just doesn't seem congruent for someone in like that not be enthusiast (or at least that has been my experience). It would be like finding out someone like Roger Ebert hated old movies - kind of a shocker. Not saying a critic HAS to like them, but it just seems like they are usually the biggest fans of the older stuff.

I guess I am just projecting my own personal opinion. I work in the film business, and I am a huge fan of older movies. It was the old guys who built the language and grammar of the medium. And when a director comes into my editing bad and doesn't have any knowledge of the classics, I know I am in for a long and painful job.

Oh, and Optimous Douche, I read the Bible once a year, alternating between Old and New Testament. I'm agnostic, so I need to keep up on it to drive my religious friends nuts by pointing out there hypocrisy.

steverodgers
by Continentalop
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:24:52 PM
How is the organizing of the Comic Book Writers Championship?
I Friggin' LOVE The New BATMAN & ROBIN
by LaserPants
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:35:23 PM
I thought I would hate it, but I'm actually loving it. I think it represents a natural progression of the characters and its a lot more interesting then they very similar premise already explored in Captain America. I'm also loving Streets of Gotham and Gotham City T&A, I mean, Sirens.
MastorBaytor, re=8-year old Robin
by Continentalop
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:35:35 PM
You know what is he even more disturbing than an 8-year old robin?

Deathstroke and Terra where lovers during the Judas Contract story, and she was supposed to be 13 and he was God knows how old.

And in later stories he is shown as an HONORABLE villain (and even has a sit down with Changeling). The guy was fucking a 13-year-old and he is honorable? WTF?

The art in Batman and MJ's former lover
by Series7
Jul 2nd, 2009
01:48:38 PM
Is what I fucking dig. The panel where the flame guy gets sprayed with a fire extinguisher pretty awesome. Though that double page spread of panels where Batman is beating up the guys that are tied together, in the final panel he seems to be missing a leg.

As far as missing a page, I guess I just don't know what to do if the comic doesn't tell me if its to be continued or The End.

MJ's former lover?
by Joenathan
Jul 2nd, 2009
02:09:49 PM
Oh! Because he's a kid... oh, how droll, sir... Ah... isn't pedophila fun?
Continentalop
by steverodgers
Jul 2nd, 2009
05:37:12 PM
Not so well, both Didio and JoeQ are not returning my calls. Joe Q btw also hasn't returned my calls about my 400 page Rocket Raccoon/Jack Kerouac intergalactic team up pitch.. maybe I just need to send it again. "I know by now the Kree children must be crying in the land where they let the Kree children cry, and tonight the stars'll be out, and don't you know that God is Galactus and his belt has a little letter 'G' on it?"
I Friggin' LOVE Quitely's (sp?) Artwork
by LaserPants
Jul 2nd, 2009
06:05:04 PM
He's a new favorite for me now. I loved the way her drew the fight scenes in B&R. I understand Morrison and Quitely worked on ALL STAR SUPERMAN as well? I haven't read that one yet, but its on my list now, def.
ironic name
by crazybubba
Jul 2nd, 2009
06:58:40 PM
i have no idea where you can get more information about Jessica Biel in Thor. I wish someone would post a website.
LAserPants
by gooseud
Jul 3rd, 2009
06:14:50 AM
You might wanna get on that All Star Supes thing. Like, immediately.
Laser
by optimous_douche
Jul 3rd, 2009
08:45:40 AM
Morrison and Quitely made magic over in X-men a few years back too.
The problem with Wanted
by Laserhead
Jul 3rd, 2009
10:16:32 AM
Isn't just that it's mind-bendingly stupid, but that, like all Millar's work, it provokes slavish adoration from moronic 8-15 year olds (or people with that level of mental development). Hell, if I was 12, maybe I'd like it. But I was pretty stupid at 12. Comparatively, I mean.

Kuryakin's excellent mock-Millar pitch should provoke a mock-Millar pitch-a-thon. I'll go first. "The guy you think is Reed Richards isn't-- he's actually Franklin Richards, from the future! And he's been pretending to be Reed for years! That's right-- Franklin Richards has been fucking his own mother! This is the most awesome comic ever!"

A Comic a Week
by crazybubba
Jul 3rd, 2009
12:14:02 PM
Why doesnt someone review a golden age or silver age comic every week so us ignant folks can learn more about em and appreciate them more.
A Comic a Week
by optimous_douche
Jul 3rd, 2009
12:45:47 PM
Personally speaking, I would want to kill myself after about the third week of the assignment.
oh well
by crazybubba
Jul 3rd, 2009
01:36:24 PM
i thought it was a good idea.
Philistines
by Continentalop
Jul 3rd, 2009
01:57:07 PM
You all are a bunch of Philistines.
Let Continentalop Do It
by MasterBaytor
Jul 3rd, 2009
03:57:21 PM
:P

I've got a Golden Age collection about 75 volumes strong, but I could barely come up with enough to say about the final Spirit Archive volume. Writing reviews about short story collections are really tough.
Do you know how many comic books got published in the Golden Age
by stones_throw
Jul 3rd, 2009
04:40:43 PM
I might not kill myself like Optimous, but I'd be dead before I'd even scraped the surface. The only comparable boom time is the collectors' craze in the '90s. I did review the BEST OF SIMON AND KIRBY collection a few columns back, though, and found it to be rather excellent, though, as the title suggests it was collecting the best of the best. I particularly liked the Fighting American, a 1950s half-satire on superheroes that only published about a dozen issues.
Hey, look!
by stones_throw
Jul 3rd, 2009
04:46:29 PM
Here's an obnoxious gag-review of the sizzlin' Silver Age classic number 21 of AVENGERS from Stan Lee and Don Heck that I did when Dan Slott's MIGHTY AVENGERS #21 came out, to the talkback response, of "Why are you doing that?"

http://www.aintitcool.com/n ode/39924#4

The problem with pitching ideas for Millar...
by stones_throw
Jul 3rd, 2009
04:55:23 PM
...is that he probably reads this site and I'd be scared they'd start showing up as Marvel series. And I didn't think you could get much lower than CIVIL WAR, OLD MAN WOLVIE and "Masters of Doom". Masters of Doom? It sounds like a Bill & Ted adventure.
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