It's the latest application from the makers of Make-It-Stupid(TM).

The software automatically filters screenplays and deletes anything smart.

With skilled tweaking of parameters, characterization can be simplified to the selected level of banality.

Before "The Transformers" script was treated by DumbDown(TM), only four genius people would have enjoyed the movie and it would have only made $40.

A Professionals version will impose a standard template that will direct the director when to shake the camera.

Look for DumbDown(TM) at a craprogramming shop near you.

Come on, you know you want to....

In about 10 years time I imagine people will still be talking about Wrath of Khan, but referring to the reboot as "The Star Trek that tried to be Flash Gordon"

TITBAG you're the tb equivalent of the nutter locked up next to Hannibal Lecter throwing his spunk at Jodie Foster.

So that explains why he and his crew have been missing for 20 years.

Do you understand this? You are actually getting angry at something that DOESN'T EXIST. The "destiny" bit was rightly cut - perhaps, even, for the reasons you so, uhm, eloquently outlined - and you're STILL angry? Get a goddamn grip, Jimmers.

I know it's AICN talkback, but I still cannot imagine how a man could lose his lunch over something that isn't actually in a film.

I'm not sure how a Directors Cut will help to improve a film that is essentially a dumbed down nod to the fans.

Maybe The Matrix and BSG have spoiled us.

This also makes me believe, even moreso now, that screenwriting books, courses, and panels/seminars are SO FUCKING FULL OF SHIT that the Hoover dam couldn't hold it back. "You need to rewrite it fifty times, the plot needs to be airtight, you MUST have resolution to get past the reader, you need to hit all these beats properly, yada,yada, yada..." Bull-fucking-shit. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. Yes, you should make sure it's as good as it can possibly be, but if and when it does get made, all of the work will be undone. And if you're lucky, you can become a screenwriter like these guys who don't even have to do all the things we've told you are necessary... no, we'll take your shitty, plot-hole ridden first draft and make it into a film right then and there.

2. Terminator Salvation

3. Star Trek

4. Wolverine

5. Transformers 2

That's a good point about the coincidences however. There was a sever lack of backstory and characters just "showing up". I thought of Trek last night, and TF2 has the same problems. Sloppy writing.

But for some reason, in your anger, you gloss over the finer points to find something to latch onto as an example to back up your beliefs.

Now you elaborated later about what you meant, but those points are specifically "what the fuck" I was talking about.

Then again, I could be mixing memories of the film with what I read about JJ, Orci, and Kurtzman's "Countdown" prequel comics which did explain that they worked together. It may have been glossed over in the film; I don't recall.

But it is a good point you brought up. It could have been better explained in the original script and was cut for time, or perhaps explained during Nero's time in prison. Fact is, we're just basing our conclusions on one person's reaction to an early draft no one else (so far) has claimed to have read. Those scenes could have played out much better and may have filled in more holes, like Nero could be a math whiz (he is captain of a ship afterall) who figured out the time of Spock's arrival based on the time elapsed between his entering the black hole and Spock's. Who knows. Its a hole, I'll give you that, but I was specifically talking about the missing scenes when I first joined the conversation.

But the haters post, and post, and post. The same comments, the same complaints. If you actually thought a feedback thread represented the true reception of a film, you'd think that half or more of AICN hated Star Trek. There's something unbalanced at emotionally HATING a movie; I think that same imbalance corresponds with strange, neurotic posting behavior.

Uh, was that EVER part of our debate? I haven't said one thing about that, and YOU have not asked ME to explain those things to you, so why are you damn surprised I haven't mentioned them? Give me a fucking break man, I'm taking things one at a time.

Here, let me take a page out of your playbook: "Why haven't YOU admitted that the prison sequence fills a plot hole you have complained about numerous times, while also adding some depth to a villain you have said is one-dimensional? Huh, huh, HUH?"

I haven't brought up stupid points like that because I don't care. And I haven't asked you to take those points into account. So if you want to engage me with something specific, ask me. Otherwise, don't get your panties in a wad when I haven't addressed something you mentioned in another post.

Now, as far as those points go... why would that be a problem? Why does Nero arrive when Kirk is born? Because that's just when he arrived. What does it matter? And Spock at Kirk's graduation-- I don't know what you're referring to there. Can you enlighten me with the problem? Spock was at Starfleet, right?

With so many people complaining it must really be a great plot and story with no flaws......right?

2) Old Spock is at Kirk's graduation because... he wanted to be? He read about it in the paper and showed up? I got the impression Spock was purposely there to watch his friend get promoted to captain, and that it was in no way a coincidence.

3) Again, why are you flying off the handle about the destiny stuff? It's not in the movie, quite possibly for the very reasons you outline! Maybe O&K stuck it in, slept on it, and thought better of it. Who the fuck knows? The point is, you are making a mountain out of... not a mole hill, but something that doesn't exist to begin with.

"The added Klingon scenes don't... give him any kind of motivation or character change."

Yes, because apparently showing how extremely remorseful he is over the death of his pregnant wife isn't motivation or insight into his character?

"I saw no indication that the mining crew was helping Spock. To my knowledge they just happened to be there, ready and waiting for some revenge"

Again, I've only seen the movie once as well, so I can't remember how/if they explained Nero and Spock's relationship like they explained in the Countdown prequel comic (do you know about that?).

"you seemed ok with picking and choosing some that you thought you had answers for (the notebook) and ignoring others."

I brought up the Notebook because I believe you had falsely criticized that particular point and had misinterpreted its significance and history. That's why I chose to discuss the Notebook, to correct your mistake.

I didn't say anything about Spock at graduation because we were discussing something else at the moment and you didn't ask me for an explanation. Also, I *still* have no idea to what scene you're referring to, but you have ignored my request for more information so that we can better debate the point.

"The way people that are apologizing for this movie are filling in the gaps left by the writers with pure speculation and fanciful thinking."

Examples?

I'm just refuting some of your points because I disagree with a few of them and I like to debate film.

If that's the case, then why didn't you ever call him Spock Prime like you had been doing for the majority of the Talkback? Without that differentiation, it just gets confusing, especially because the scene where Kirk is reprimanded for his Kobayashi Maru incident was graduation too, wasn't it? Afterall, everyone was immediately assigned to a Starship, right?

So forgive me for not reading your mind and having no idea of what graduation scene and which Spock you were referring to.

As for why Spock Prime was at Starfleet headquarters (not Kirk's graduation), do you really need to have that spelled out for you? Why?

Vulcan was just destroyed, Federation ships were arriving to help any survivors and evacuees... is it out of the question to suggest Kirk passed on a message that an elderly Vulcan was marooned on the ice planet?

And based on one of your statements... do you believe that Spock Prime ends up on the Enterprise? What's the significance of mentioning that Kirk has access to a starship?

Watch your blood pressure, mate. Don't get upset that you made the mistake.

That answers the "time" issue. If you need one for "space," ie: how did the Narada end up at Kirk's birth, well, it didn't. It popped up in the general vicinity, and the Kelvin was drawn to it out of scientific interest.

The end. Coincidental, yeah, but it can still be swallowed.

(See how annoying that can be?)

Also, going back to Nero and his pregnant wife, at the point in the script at which we'd see Nero having a flashback to her during his torture, we the audience would not have known about his history, so it would be an insight that is later confirmed when Nero tells Kirk or Spock or whomever about the destruction of his planet and his family.

Now , smarmy, pretentious, self-indulgent and entirely irreverent little emo cocksuckers like Assimovlives, Charles majestic Cunt, Media whore Messiah, ShitBag, and every other piece of shit uninformed opinion hackneyed cocksucker on here, these fucks were regurgitated post '77 and Star Wars, so basically....they don't matter.

They are the epitome of insignificance. Isn't that comical how that works? After thoughts. Entirely missing out on the genre. Accidental shit stains.

It's moving actually, it gives me gas and bowel relief how these pedentic flotsam taints were given computers by Mommy, and have access to the world , now suddenly, they have a "voice."

How do they elect to demonstrate this voice? By having the most flaccid, juvenile, hyperbolic rhetoric of a fecal matter movement froth and foam down their mouths as they breath in, breath out. Look at these twats- notice how the shit streams consistently down their chins. They lap and lick turgid flaccid stools.

By God I love it. Let's give a round of applause to cocksuckers like these fragmented turds. I've got chunks in my stools bigger than these fucks. I flush you all.

"It looks like a lightning storm!"

I've got the shits, therefore, you've been a typing evidently.

The only time there was any REAL weight to the acting was Nimoy, who can't help but bring the pain with anything he touches. But again...alot of those problems were a very bad script.

But that's small potatoes though, you are generally harmless and inoffensive. There's far bigger green scrotums that inhabit the talkbacks.

And get rid of the JJ Abrams "inside" jokes..."SlushO" is pure Bullshit.

No, no character in any film ever met before, certainly not. People just arbitrarily poof into reality not only knowing other people but, likewise being well established.

God forbid we see a character mature into who they invariably are to become.

Destiny shmestiny, Orci and crew are said to have borrowed from the TNG episode "Parallels."

In a multi-verse, all things being equal, there are tendencies toward some outcome.

In an infinite multi-verse, the point is that Spock Prime just happened by chance, not by fate, to appear in a parallel universe in which things were progressing very similar to universe prime, and Nero's incursion fucked that up. Spock Prime set out not to make it right, but rather give this new universe it's best chance at being closest to the Prime universe despite Nero's interference.

The concept of the multi-verse is intriguing, it's implications profound. For somewhere, somewhen, it implies Watchmen didnt suck cock, Wolverone was watchable, Assimov lives isn't a douche, mainstream moviegoers despise Transformers and fifteen people on Aint it cool love it, and Charles Tainted Cunt has something meaningful and productive to say.

FUCK! How and why did we get stuck in THIS universe?

Han Solo just "happened" to be on Tatooine to be hired by old Ben. Han just "happened" to have a change of heart, turn around and save Luke during the trench run. Darth Vader just "happened" to run into Old Ben on a station the size of a planetoid.

Come on man get serious that sounds ridiculous you make it sound like someone going out of their WAY to find a reason to bitch and just "happen" to not be applying reason.

I liked Abrams direction, but please don't let these fucking hacks anywhere near another genre script.

Orci pal you all did just fine.

Star Trek was mediocre from the off so you were actually picking it apart as you were watching it. Had Return of the Jedi been badly shot, directed, edited and written then it would probably have been pulled apart as well. But it wasn't.

Jesus man, life is short, engage your brain.

So it's a contrivance in Star Trek but not a coincedence in Star Wars? Get the fuck out of here Media Messiah. That is pure hyperbolic rhetoric to the extreme.

The point is, events take place to further the plot and narrative. Han Solo by being on Tatooine furthered the plot. How the FUCK is that any different than Nero depositing Spock on a world in relative close proximity to Vulcan, and Kirk being deposited on same world because the fucking Enterprise is nearing Vulcan, you know, in the neighborhood.

Talk about the fucking pot calling the kettle black.

Anakin building and owning C3P0 is a contrivance, it didn't further the narrative or plot and was disposeable. I think you proud few THREE need to take film-making 101. What you are haphazardly calling conveniences is called advancing the narrative. That's the most ridiculous God damn thing I've ever read. You didn't like the movie fine, but don't pretend liek you are ABOVE it because every criticism you've leveled against it hasn't been worth a power shit.

Star Trek sits at 95 percent reviews. Explain that. How can critics be so "right" about one film , yet so wrong about another?

I'll tell you why, it's because 8 out of 10 people posting on this website about ANY film don't know a GOD DAMN thing about movies, have shit taste in films, and are just pissed your anticipated genre films of the year fucking TANKED at the box office. That's the bottom line.

I'm sorry but Han Solo being on Tatooine, a back water trading planet, looking for work isn't the same thing as Spock shooting Kirk onto a hostile planet because he thought Kirk was too rowdy for the fucking BRIG!

I really shouldn't have to explain it. I mean fuck man! What other bullshit things have you convinced yourself of? Honestly, I think you might be borderline retarded and that isn't just cursing, you should really have yourself checked out.

Like a bad used car salesman, you can't tell the difference between a bad pitch and a good pitch.

You daft cunt.

Luke and Ben are looking to hire a pilot to fly them to Alderaan. That's it. So here comes Han Solo, some random guy who could have easily been some other weird creature there. We eventually find out that he's a scoundrel who's record is really snapping at his heels but until the plot really unfolds and changes the character he's a scoundrel looking for a pay day and quick lay.

Star Trek on the other hand just gave us information that Spock is smart, calm and calculating and that Kirk was just promoted being the captain's darling. Given what we already know about Spock, it seems really out of character and his motivation just seems false. It just screams "MOVING ON"

As for Scotty, how far was the outpost? A few miles? So it would have been awhile before they got there? Maybe Scotty had already gotten over the death of Vulcan? His lack of a reaction is suspect. I do need to see this movie again. I remember that not bothering me at all as I saw it.

We get it -- you didn't like the new STAR TREK film. If you don't like STAR TREK, don't watch it.

There is no need for you to come here with thousands of terrible attempts at humor and sarcasm directed at this film and the millions of people who liked it.

Who knows? You might be able to get a house of your own...and even find a girl who *might even like you (I know, a stretch). Regardless, a job will prevent you from being a needless drain on the welfare system.

Don't you also understand that what they did was literally like mowing down the old beloved mom and pop restaurant that wasn't making as much money as Applebees to replace it with a fucking Applebees? YaaaY! Up yours. I think we have a right to bitch - we paid our money same as you.

Because really, there's two very obvious points that seem to crop up time and time again. The first is that the movie has a ridiculous number of coincidences/plotholes/deus-ex machina contrivances. And the second point is that the movie is generally very enjoyable. I don't see either of these points as being mutually exclusive.

I mean, there will be some people who, because of the plot contrivances, will find the movie unenjoyable. And that's fine. But for a larger segment of the population--as evidenced by the overwhelmingly positive reviews--the movie was enjoyable and entertaining. And that, DESPITE its flaws, it was enjoyable and entertaining.

Obviously, that's not to say that the movie was GOOD. I think anyone who has even the most limited discernment of good taste when it comes to movies will realize that ST's plot was its major failing, and that because of it, it wasn't as good as it could have been.

But surprisingly, the aforementioned flaws don't detract from the fact that the dialogue, the portrayal of iconic characters and the development of said characters was well-done and satisfactory. It was, after all, enjoyable.

However, by the last half of the second act Star Trek I was so turned off by the characters and the silly plot holes and bad writing that I didn't care what happened in the third. The writers gave me too many things to gripe about and I ultimately wished it hadn't been made.

I don't know. I can't sit through a Michael Bay movie either. It's like listening to a kid go, "and then, and then and then then and then and this happened and BOOOOOOOOOM and then and then and then and then, and the robo-BUT BOOBS! and they fought and hit and ran and and then and then and then and they turned into cool LOOK AT THAT and then and then and then and then" My brain just shuts off and I start thinking of what I else I could have done with my money.

YOU TALK(back) TOO MUCH!!!

Get a job, bro. Of course, an employer would fire you immediately if you continue to act like the asshole that you are here on AICN. Of course, this is probably why you don't have a job anyway. What is your excuse? It is a "mental disability?" Bipolar? Just plain stupid?

Nah. You are just an asshole.

You flood the talkbacks with your excessive rhetorical farts directed at the faces of everyone who visits these forums. Then you have the idiotic audacity to claim that you are "the talkback." Nope. You are just a hopeless, friendless asshole without a job who seems to need attention. You think that you might be a "somebody" if you can show how "witty" your decrepid rhetorical farts can be.

The weird thing? The story wasn't really that bad. While the full script was less-than-par, the story itself had great potential. The great failure, however, was in the direction. Michael Bay seems to have dropped the ball.

My only solace is that the ball wasn't dropped from very high to begin with because I don't have that much admiration for the man's work anyway.

I guess THE ISLAND wasn't that bad. However, I can't help but wonder what that same film would have been like in the hands of Spielberg, James Cameron, Ridley Scott, Ron Howard, or Peter Jackson (...or even JJ Abrams, for that matter).

That said: HE got me to spend $20 for a piece of junk. He was a REAL salesman! Great job, Billy. RIP!

I know this is probably waaaay past Orci and Kurtz but I rationalized it as Spock Prime needed time to think about what he should do given that he is from the future. Should he fall into the shadows and let the universe unfold unto itself or should he be a proactive participant. When Kirk showed up it forced his hand and Spock did what he could to get baby Kirk back in line. If Spock continues his proactive approach (full-on meddling with the new timeline) this idea will hold water.

I don't expect it to though.

I couldn't wait for that story to be made into a film! However, they picked a no-name director, an A list actor, and the worst score for a sci fi film (ever). I always wonder what that film would have been like with Ridley Scott.

However, I don't care. I really, really dislike Barry Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the socialist ideas that are ruining this nation...fast. It really is worse than TRANSFORMERS 2.

It reminds me of THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO. No one has ever produced a film that does the book justice. They tend to follow it about halfway through...and then turn it into a Zorro movie. The book doesn't have a typical Hollywood "happy ending," so it is always rewritten. I just hope to see a good adaptation before I die.

And no I'm not talking about the movie.

Here is proof that Gore would have lost even if every single ballot had been counted again...and again...and again...

Yeah, we might not be a socialist nation, but one party's leadership is steering our ship in that direction. They might not be to the left of European socialist-democracy, but it is just a hop and a skip away from what some in Washington seem to want (to the chagrin of many Americans).

I hope that you are just a satirical hack using your four different log-in names. I just find it hard to believe that are are a fat asshole that does virtually nothing else but constantly spew nauseous rhetorical sharts (shit-farts) in the faces of everyone who can't seem to stand you.

Is this fixation part of the medicine you take with your mental disability?

Of did your Uncle Fred spend too much time with you on his lap as a child?

Either way, you might want to get your rectum checked...but by a professional medical doctor this time.

You're probably right!

And how the hell did everyone in Los Angeles forget about the robots that were fighting downtown? Not even a dishonest politician like Obama could weasel or spin his way out of that one! Talk about an "oops" moment!

Hoping Public Enemies is going to be good. I am optimistic, but cautious. I used to think Bale made smart choices, until Terminator Salvation. I did not despise the film, but I did not love it either, and I should have and it smeared my image of Bale a bit, so I am hoping Public Enemies makes up for that.

Hey Shitterspray you anal-retentive kumquat neanderthal breath mongoloid Roid on my ass, there's a clean up on aisle nine fucker. This time your ass is getting a counseling session.

Shitbag, I'll take my regular and add a order of fries, you majestic fat cunt. Hurry up too zit face last time my food was cold.

Assimov you unbelievable cunt, I said NO bulk oil you retarded fuck, this time only use bottled. God damn idiots they get working the wal-marts today.

I mean, I could.

My feelings toward the film haven't changed--other than my growing indifference towards where the film series will go.

People keep telling me that a new Transformers film came out this past week, written by the same rocket scientists as the first TF and Star Trek as well, and directed by Michael "I AM SUCH A GENIUS" Bay. But I won't see it, as those same people tell me how much the film sucks donkey anus and is more retarded and stereotypical than the last film--which is really saying something as the first Transformers film is really just a long collection of cliche's and stereotypes, from all the robots to the so called human "characters" that populate the rest of the film.

But what do people expect at this point?

This has been the worst summer film season in recent memory. If not for UP, Moon, (perhaps) Monsters Versus Aliens and possibly Public Enemies (which I haven't seen yet), this summer would be intolerable.

Look, I am not a film snob. I am not expecting (or would even like) every film to be an Ingmar Bergman film--I just think that every film should at least try to follow their own rules, and be as smart as it can be. The Characters don't have to know what is going on, but the filmmakers certainly should. The JOB of the filmmakers, from the writers to the directors and cast is to try to explore all the directions they could possibly go and then pick the best way to tell the story. The STORY is supposed to be the most important thing, with all effects, acting, editing and everything else working in service to the story. When the story is weak, the film is weak.

The fact that Michael Bay is so well-regarded is mystifying to me, and the fact that Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have been responsible for the writing of so many dumb, hit films is overwhelming. Do people honestly think that the writers of so much drivel over the years will be able to create anything of any real lasting value? Even JJ Abrams has been hit or miss. People forget the inept storytelling of Regarding Henry, Taking Care of Business, Forever Young and Armageddon (another so-called Michael Bay "Classic").

Everyone holds up LOST as an example of JJ Abram's genius, but they forget that it is a TV show, and one that is run by two really talented men, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof--who are pretty great with long-form storytelling, even when there is the barest of plot to hang all the various story threads on.

The fact that JJ and company decided to cut out the parts of the Star Trek story that actually work to explain or finesse the plot (as shown in the above article) shows an ineptitude that is staggering. It reminds me of Star Wars Episode III in the way that it doesn't really have a deep story, so it spends much of it's time quoting or referencing previous versions (and arguably better versions) of Trek rather than let it find it's own voice. Nostalgia can only take you so far. I hope George Lucas got some kind of kick-back, seeing as they used so much of his tricks--even down to the messy, "Garbage-Chic" aesthetic that Lucas pioneered on the first Star Wars film. But Lucas is probably satisfied with the fact that Star Wars has subtly absorbed Star Trek into it's sub-genre.

The eternal debate (of which is the better of the two franchises) is over--they are now the same thing.

And, to be fair, it is not the filmmakers fault. They were just out to make a quick buck or four hundred million. No, in the end it falls to the audience, who eat up the shit salad that is given to them, to take the blame. We are all culpable.

Aren't you glad I didn't say anything?

Why because I am the penultimate Trek geek muh lad. I'm the uber Trekker, the fanboy that lives and breathes Trek for oh about 31 years now. I'm that guy. I'm the one that memorizes the dialogue, collects the models,magazines, paints portraits of the characters, I'm that geek muh lad. Oh yes, if you look up Star Trek fan in the dictionary, my shit eating grin is plastered all over it. That's what gives me the authority rogueleader. I know more about Star Trek than Gene Roddenberrys left asscheek.

Have a looksy at the recent Via Colori festival I participated in. See me there? Now, when you can do that, THEN we'll talk Star Trek, until then, I don't wan tto hear a GOD DAMN WORD any of you say about anything.

Mine has been pretty much all work, which has been keeping me busy--which is good with all these Dogs of movies out there.

Okay, first we have Spock marooning Kirk on some icy planetoid (imagine if a US Navy sub captain marooned a disobediant) seaman on an iceberg...he could kiss his rank goodbye forever).

Let's be conservative and estimate (since it has earth-like gravity...maybe it's denser) that the planetoid has an area the size of the United States. Five minutes of running from some beastie after landing, Kirk bumps into SpockPrime. Fellow American, let me run out my door and see if I bump into YOU within 5 freaking minutes of running.

On top of this, SpockPrime is a short walk away (unless Nero left him a snowmobile) from exactly the man they both need, Mr. Scott.

Mr. Scott, to put a cherry on top of this, actually has a transporter capable of beaming Kirk and self onto the Enterprise from several light years off, when it's moving at maximum warp, with an accuracy sufficient that it only generates one lame physical comedy bit shortly after arrival as Kirk has to rescue a drowning Scotty.

ST Suckups, apologize your way out of that steaming loaf of plot contrivances without using the "gosh, it's only a movie" bailout...

Fuck Orci and Kurtzman.

If anybody criticizes it, Paramount won't produce another POS with the Trek label on it.

I enjoy laughing at your retardation. Keep it up.

Asimov, ty my friend your sentiments are also appreciated. The family has come together and things are looking as good as can be, it's behind us now, and like I said, we are still living and must continue to do so, that's what my aunt would have wanted.

I have heard a lot of good things about Moon, gonna have to check it out. Yea this summer is not turning out so good. Oh well, it happens, still got the fall season to look forward to, I hope.

And I did get this scene right, yes? I seem to be misremembering alot of things from the Trek movie... but I seem to recall the ship talking to Spock...

Film makers have gotten lazy to be sure, they feel like they can throw some visual effects and some big stars at us and get our money and respect. I lay the blame as much on the film makers as I do the movie going public, who have severely lowered the standards of movie making. I am not citing any one film in particular this year, just in general the last few years with some notable exceptions (Dark Knight, Iron Man, Up). Yea I liked the new Trek, but I am also not blind to the fact that it had its problems no matter how much I may have liked it. Film makers have gotten lazy. I am so sick of hearing how great CGI is. Yea it's great when it is used properly, but it almost never is, it seems to be the lazy way out for making visual effects. They should be used when they HAVE to be used, not for everything, because when something is so obviously CGI, it just takes away from the magic of film, and that sucks. Anyways, here's hoping to a good fall season and a better summer next year.

Oh and greetings D.Vader, how are you? Good to see you in TB.

You are and shall always be a daft little cunt of a man who wouldn't know a good film from his asshole.

Why the Fuck don't you grow up? Your relentless crusade,no matter what the subject matter of the TB, you have to get a dig in about Abrams Star Trek.

Don't bother responding to this post, don't care, won't read it, too busy reading a new book I found,

The Art of DOUCHEBAGGERY...by...AssimonLi ves...fascinating!

It's clear that the man-child has no life. Sad.

And when he fell off the platform, Kirk dove to get him without a nanosecond's hesitation. That's not heroic?

Best part of New Star Trek, NO Gay Ass Tribbles!

Unlike when Failbag LOLs, and everyone wished they didn't allow retards in.

"Make it sew"!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!! !!

Titbag: "Launching red matter sir." *Lubes asshole with ketchup*

Titbag Sr.: "Punch it!!!!"

Shatner's acting: painful.

They would have to build another ship, just to carry his FAT ASS around.

Wasn't in the budget!

Now, I have to run out for a little while, so my replies to your next post won't happen right away, but we'll pick up in a bit.

The game is afoot!

fuck that he'd be pissed hence the revenge..

i seriously think you have mental issues...ASB and BSB, PHDs will be sure to help.

god i miss my childhood.

classic!!!

by TITBAG Jul 1st, 2009 09:30:43 PM

...ABRAMSPRIMEDANDREADY ACTUALLY STATED THAT HE'S GOT HIS DEGREE IN STUDYING QUANTUM MECHANICS AND STRING THEORY. FUCK ME. I NEARLY SPILT ME TEA LAUGHING.

FUCK. THAT WHOLE POST MAY JUST HAVE BEEN AS LAUGHABLE AS THIS FUCKING TURD OF A MOVIE.

STUDIED QUANTUM MECHANICS. OH LORD THAT'S FUCKING RICH. THE IDIOT CAN BARELY PUT TOGETHER A COHESIVE SENTENCE BUT HE'S AN EXPERT ON QUANTUM MECHANICS."

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TitWag...

by AbramsPRIME Jul 1st, 2009 09:38:14 PM

Again, too little, too late, not funny except to your troubled little locked in mind.... If I have NO expertise in QM, show me up...tell me where the "Infinite parallel universe theory" is WRONG....show up Mr. Hawking....please genius....show all these mooks that I DIDN't study QM....prove me wrong....you'd run out of Wikipedia arguments in about 4 minutes.

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*Titbag logs off*

And how do you know how fast a duck shits? Don't answer.

The reason why it draws such ire over it's 'coincidences, plot holes and shitty writing' as opposed to other movies that do similar, is because of the total disregard the writers have for the audiences ability to suspend disbelief vs accepting lazy writing.

* If you're going to be a highly paid screenwriter, DO YOUR FUCKING HOMEWORK, especially on black holes. It's your gawddamn income stream, ffs.

* The know-nothing critics are celebrating this movie because it's dumbed-down SF (Space Opera) understandable by the slovenly layman, encouraging others to emulate it, which keeps the cycle of shitty genre movies going.

* Assholes like Orci and Kurtzman are infesting the cinemas with this hack-y bullshit while much better writers are left to work day-jobs. I'm on a writer's social network where people can't even get FAR better stuff under an editor's nose.

It's a never ending but worthwhile battle...fuck mediocrity.

There has to be better writers out there then these two schmucks and especially writers who can do Trek justice. Here's the point: Story doesn't matter to most movie goers, Look at Transformers for fucks sake, they just want whizz bang pow! So why not at least create a good story to go along with it and in turn make the film marketable in the future? Those special effects will be yawn worthy in ten years but the story is what will keep them coming back.

I wonder if anyone would pay to hear a MST3K-style dub of TITBAG's rants that you could play over the new movie.. hmmmm..

well hell I think I will pull this whole talkback and have magical robot voices sing it back to me in a sweet sweet lullaby..

I am not even actively participating in the debate anymore because in truth at this point, it is totally pointless. The movie is what it is and the debates are exactly the same as they were when the movie came out. I just get a kick out of listening to the arguments. Oh, and before I get flamed, I am NOT putting anyone down for continuing the debate, I am just saying I find it entertaining, that's it. Carry On!!!!!

BTW guys did you see the trailer for "The Informant" looks pretty cool.

which i have to say that is what it was supposed to do. basically JJ grafted STAR WARS plot onto TREK, which is fine by me...it needed to be fixed

and when people start complaining about black holes and such, those are the guys i used to make fun of at conventions when they pointed out errors to the actors and creators...the shirt you were wearing changed ever so slightly, but i noticed...

youre fucking off your meds dude.

where were we?--oh yeah, my point. JJ TREK gave it revitalization again. was it dumbed down? beats me. it was entertaining enough for a summer film and a TREK film, i would put it up there in the top 5. yeah yu're right about it not "meaning anything" its basically a revenge plot and time travel story, but if you can handle all those time travel eps in DS9 with liitle green men and mirror mirror, then why not this?

always good to chat with ya!

by TITBAG Jul 1st, 2009 09:30:43 PM

...ABRAMSPRIMEDANDREADY ACTUALLY STATED THAT HE'S GOT HIS DEGREE IN STUDYING QUANTUM MECHANICS AND STRING THEORY. FUCK ME. I NEARLY SPILT ME TEA LAUGHING.

FUCK. THAT WHOLE POST MAY JUST HAVE BEEN AS LAUGHABLE AS THIS FUCKING TURD OF A MOVIE.

STUDIED QUANTUM MECHANICS. OH LORD THAT'S FUCKING RICH. THE IDIOT CAN BARELY PUT TOGETHER A COHESIVE SENTENCE BUT HE'S AN EXPERT ON QUANTUM MECHANICS."

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TitWag...

by AbramsPRIME Jul 1st, 2009 09:38:14 PM

Again, too little, too late, not funny except to your troubled little locked in mind.... If I have NO expertise in QM, show me up...tell me where the "Infinite parallel universe theory" is WRONG....show up Mr. Hawking....please genius....show all these mooks that I DIDN't study QM....prove me wrong....you'd run out of Wikipedia arguments in about 4 minutes.

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by TITBAG Jul 1st, 2009 09:30:43 PM

...ABRAMSPRIMEDANDREADY ACTUALLY STATED THAT HE'S GOT HIS DEGREE IN STUDYING QUANTUM MECHANICS AND STRING THEORY. FUCK ME. I NEARLY SPILT ME TEA LAUGHING.

FUCK. THAT WHOLE POST MAY JUST HAVE BEEN AS LAUGHABLE AS THIS FUCKING TURD OF A MOVIE.

STUDIED QUANTUM MECHANICS. OH LORD THAT'S FUCKING RICH. THE IDIOT CAN BARELY PUT TOGETHER A COHESIVE SENTENCE BUT HE'S AN EXPERT ON QUANTUM MECHANICS."

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TitWag...

by AbramsPRIME Jul 1st, 2009 09:38:14 PM

Again, too little, too late, not funny except to your troubled little locked in mind.... If I have NO expertise in QM, show me up...tell me where the "Infinite parallel universe theory" is WRONG....show up Mr. Hawking....please genius....show all these mooks that I DIDN't study QM....prove me wrong....you'd run out of Wikipedia arguments in about 4 minutes.

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- Commander Checkov "just happens" to be aboard a ship that comes in contact with Khan.

- Checkov "just happens" to forget that Khan might be on Seti Alpha 5...or notice that there is a planet missing from that solar system.

- Checkov "just happens" to detect life on the planet (ear creatures) and "just happens" to beam down and find those creatures in Khan's trailer.

- Khan "just happens" to remember Checkov...even though they didn't meet in the original series.

- Admiral Kirk "just happens" to be aboard the Enterprise on a training mission.

- The Enterprise "just happens" to be the only ship in the region that can make it to the Genesis Outpost.

- The Genesis Project "just happens" to be coordinated by Kirk's ex-flame and his son.

- Scotty's nephew "just happens" to be training aboard the Enterprise.

- The Mutara Nebula "just happens" to be nearby when the Enterprise needs a place to escape.

- Khan's crew "just happen" to remain in their 20s...even though he aged well into his 50s.

- Captain Spock "just happens" to know how to fix the ship...and "just happens" to have an unexplained answer (that obviously hadn't crossed the minds of any of the other engineers).

like Ben Button, depending on whether you can accept that a man can age backwards, its either a GREAT film or HORRIBLE film. i, for one, think its GREAT.

he pretty much was hired to do this job..the studio wanted a fresh take on it and liked what JJ did in the past..i dont think hes a hack or anything. he was just doing his job. they wanted him to make a film that would be relevant (and popular) with todays audience...he did.

all the mass hype was do was get people in the first weekend..had it not been good, it wouldve sunk like T4.

is it like previous TREKs, no. thats fine..it needs updating from time to time.

i like to think of it as BOND franchise. where they keep refreshing it, some are good, some are bad..but most are good to watch..but you cant tell me that the last two TREK films are better than JJTREK.

you can argue that this is not Genes vision..well it hasnt been for quite some time...even before his death, it was slipping from his grasp into Bermans who just...geez..you are right about that, they DID over-nerd it. HA!

I am one of the millions of people who really enjoyed this new TREK film. Was it flawed? Of course -- like every other science FICTION film made. Was it faithful to TREK lore? That depend on who you ask. However, I truly fail to entertain the argument that this film sucked in comparison to every other TREK film. For that matter, every other TREK film (except WRATH OF KHAN and two or three of the others) left a lot to be desired.

The point?

STAR TREK in its former incarnations died with ENTERPRISE. It was on life support anyway, dying with each passing day and every aging Trekkie. The studios refused to invest into what they felt was a franchise money pit. This is why there is a new TREK to begin with. There just weren't enough fans to continue pumping money into a dying franchise. Many people (most people) actually didn't think that the franchise was EVER worthwhile to begin with.

Of course, I liked it. I liked the series...the movies...and even the video games. But to me, it was just a flawed group of film and television series...not a religion. Besides, Roddenberry's vision of the universe in the 23rd century changed with every passing year of his life. If anything, I think that this new film was more faithful to the original Shatner series than most of the films. I watched it four times (once with my coworkers). It was the first film in a long time that I heard a loud ovation.

TITBAG and AssimovLives mutually enjoy Foxhole Buggery.

dude you brought up regarding henry...ouch.

BTW - if you're posting on AICN, you've already lowered yourself to my "level".

So, I win!

they went this direction when they found the first film to be too cerebral.

shit come to think of it, start with the 2nd pilot of the original series, when they said THE CAGE was too cerebral. TREK 4 was pretty comedic and could be said to be dumbed down, as was FINAL FRONTIER.

its, and i hate to say this, but our tastes our changing as an audience. yes, people like Paul Blart and yes people like TREK, but those two films couldnt be further from each other.

and Batman and Robin, that was just to sell toys, which what TREK is not about.

by TITBAG Jul 1st, 2009 09:30:43 PM

...ABRAMSPRIMEDANDREADY ACTUALLY STATED THAT HE'S GOT HIS DEGREE IN STUDYING QUANTUM MECHANICS AND STRING THEORY. FUCK ME. I NEARLY SPILT ME TEA LAUGHING.

FUCK. THAT WHOLE POST MAY JUST HAVE BEEN AS LAUGHABLE AS THIS FUCKING TURD OF A MOVIE.

STUDIED QUANTUM MECHANICS. OH LORD THAT'S FUCKING RICH. THE IDIOT CAN BARELY PUT TOGETHER A COHESIVE SENTENCE BUT HE'S AN EXPERT ON QUANTUM MECHANICS."

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TitWag...

by AbramsPRIME Jul 1st, 2009 09:38:14 PM

Again, too little, too late, not funny except to your troubled little locked in mind.... If I have NO expertise in QM, show me up...tell me where the "Infinite parallel universe theory" is WRONG....show up Mr. Hawking....please genius....show all these mooks that I DIDN't study QM....prove me wrong....you'd run out of Wikipedia arguments in about 4 minutes.

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they get home, he hooks up said monitor, sloooowly reads ASBs retorts and smashes monitor again.

rinse. repeat.

if this were in fact true, then 'felchingback" would be the shortest distance, not that the scenario could never happen..jagoff..

HERE IT COMES....RETARD ANGRY!!! SMASH!!!!

see you in a few hours, hurry i think the stores are closing soon for the holidays.

try to correct me, please. have you ever gone through a black hole? ever seen one? know what the TRULY do? no? night night.

Titbag: "Launching red matter sir." *Lubes asshole with ketchup*

Titbag Sr.: "Punch it!!!!"

hey, do you have any speculation as to what Danielle did to Dina? im dying here. my wife thinks shes tried to have her whacked. i think not. your thoughts?

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CHRIST BUT YOU ARE THICK IN THE HEAD AREN'T YOU by TITBAG Jul 2nd, 2009 09:19:20 PM BRINGINGDULLTHOUGHTBACK, YOU ARE A PEACH. I NEVER GET SICK OF USING YOU AS MY MENTAL PUNCHING BAG.

Because he was using the other hand to DIDDLE himself.

You are very strong in your opinions, but you do not insult unless you feel you are insulted first, and I am the same way (most of the time anyways LOL). That is the difference.

Listen, we have our own opinions and feel strongly about them. No one opinion is any more right than the other. As you have said before, you feel your opinion is the right one, just like we all do. The only time I feel insulted/dissrespected by someone else's opinion is when they try to make me feel as if I am an asshole because my opinion does not concur with theirs. It is one thing to disagree with someone, it is totally another to disagree and insult someone like they are a fool or a sheep or whatever, that is just some kind of superiority complex and it is sad that people have the need to feel superior amongst a group of strangers. Immature insults and nonsensical rantings, IMO, just mask a much bigger problem with the person doing it.

Honestly, anything Titbag or any other fool like him says really has no effect on me, he doesn't know me personally so anything he or anyone else says about me really doesn't matter. The people who know me, it's their opinions that matter just a bit more than some fool who has a silly need to insult for no reason. There are some people on here who I like to chat with, present company included, as well as SAG, SDB, Vader, and some others, and we all have mutual respect for one another despite our different views on things and do not have the need to just throw out childish insults just for the sake of doing it.

On a totally unrelated topic, I was just looking thru my DVD collection and would like your opinion on what I consider to be a classic film...Cool Hand Luke w/Paul Newman. Have you seen it and if so what is your opinion on it?

I too find it odd that we seem to have an affinity despite our sometimes totally opposite points of view, but hey it's all good as far as I am concerned.

Oh and thanks for the info on black holes, did not know most of that. I too like useless bits of trivia, my g/f tell me I am full of useless information, and I am and proud of it.

Oh, an interesting tidbit. Once when I was in California, i was driving around and saw a food stand and thought it looked familiar. I found it odd seeing as I have never been there before, then I realized it was from the movie Unlawful Entry with Kurt Russell and Ray Liotta. I was so excited that I saw it, and everyone else was like ok who cares. I thought it was funny that I found it so exciting LOL.

do i think JJ TREK is what gene wouldve liked? probably not.

can it fit into the TREK universe..why not?

The Second film will hopefully be an improvement on the first (if it follows the X-Men model) or it will be a on overbloated, steaming pile of shit (if it follows the Transformers 2 model--which was of course written by Star Trek's writers, so draw your own conclusions).

Then a Third film will come out and be of incredibly inferior quality, and yet make a truckload of money--like the third part of almost every trilogy ever made (except Lord of the Rings, which was basically made at once over a three year period--and is still the best Trilogy of films pretty much ever).

At the end of this trilogy of films, the producers will either hit the reboot button and fix the damage caused by the first film, wrapping up with a CGI Shatner on a slightly high-tech version of the original ship, or they will promise more adventures of the NuTrek crew...which may or may not happen.

Trek will probably lay dormant again, until they either decide to remake The Next Generation or reboot Kirk, Spock and company...AGAIN...

The funny thing is, I don't need or really want any more adventures of young Kirk and Spock. I want to see what happened to the universe AFTER Picard and company. I hope when they bring back Star Trek it will be set 200 years after Kirk, at a time when the universe is plunged into darkness and the Federation is a dream whispered by people in need of a hero--then we show how a new Federation is born out of the ashes of the old.

You know, the way Roddenberry saw Andromeda, when it was his idea for a Trek Sequel.

In the end, it doesn't matter. You all can enjoy your three-four movies of mediocrity--I'll enjoy the franchise that I have loved for the past 36 years of my life and the hundreds of hours of entertainment they made.

as ive mentioned before, if you can handle MIRROR MIRROR and any other parallel universe ep, this should be okay.

as with the batman thing, i think its a little different, but not by much. Batman had derailed pretty bad, they had almost taken it back to Adam West territory, with all the bad puns..jesus. with batman FINALLY being taken seriously in 1989, it was like a breath of fresh air, as was it when Batman Begins came out. Nolan prety much DID do a reboot/prequel thing, though with starting over with Batman, the fans and public are more forgiving than they would be if JJ had just started from scratch and said Pine is Kirk now. for many years, people were loyal to Adam West and hated Keaton.

like it or not this is what trek will be now..until it is run into the ground again. this new direction just gives it a little more time..it couldve been worse...a lot worse.

in any case, we can always watch the series and films ad infinitum to our content.