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Pretty! Boring!
by kevinwillis.net
Jun 26th, 2009
09:16:41 AM
I'm not a Magic fan.
Please, No "NeilF" Saying The Same Damn Thing
by kevinwillis.net
Jun 26th, 2009
09:22:08 AM
Over and over and over. BTW, I used to work for a overstock type company, and we sold a lot of Magic The Gathering stuff. Lots of ebay auctions. Went for good money. We had inventory guys searching boxes of crap to pull out the Magic the Gathering cards.

I never had any interest. None. At all. But we sold tons of that stuff, most of it older, often for two or three times the original retail price.
And is it just me, or has almost all the pics disapepared
by kevinwillis.net
Jun 26th, 2009
09:23:06 AM
There were pretty pictures of Magic The Gathering stuff. Now there are just little red 'x'es . . . what happened? Or is it just me?
only one of teh pics works for me massa
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
09:30:10 AM
but either way I'm excited.
NeilF
by Redmantle
Jun 26th, 2009
09:33:49 AM
Yeah, its enough already. You don't like her, we get it. Is someone strapping you down to a chair and forcing you to watch ScriptGirl? I think she's pretty inane too...though I think most of what goes on at this site is pretty inane... and sometimes I'm in the mood for inane.
Pretty Boring!!!
by BlueHawaiiSurfer
Jun 26th, 2009
09:34:45 AM
KevinWillis.net I'm not a fan. :o|
NeilF
by BlueHawaiiSurfer
Jun 26th, 2009
09:37:20 AM
Let's start a "STFU NEILF" thread. I'll bet we get more hits than BoobGirl.
non-magic fans are always more vocal than magic fans
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
09:44:10 AM
why? because they see someone doing something and having fun and can't understand how they can have fun arranging cards togetehr and "killing" each other with them. The truth is MTG is gaining popularity again due to the decline of poker. MTG is cheaper, more varied and even easier to do while drinking. People hunt for the old cards because they usually will eitehr be way oevr powered or have some detail in their strategy that no one plans for anymore. Honestly though if MTG tourneys start getting televised I'll have cut my head off.
favorite Magic Card artist has a book out
by tikiGeo
Jun 26th, 2009
09:47:27 AM
available at ComicCon this year. Art of Daren Bader.It kicks dragon ass!!! Samples here: http://www.myspace.com/darenba der
They See Someone Doing Soemthing Having Fun . . .
by kevinwillis.net
Jun 26th, 2009
09:56:23 AM
And can't understand how they can have fun arranging cards . . .

Uh, no. I've got no problem with Magic. Frankly, my biggest exposure to it was when we were auctioning a ton of Magic cards (pristine full boxes for retail display), and I could see the appeal of Magic more than, say, Kiss-themed golf-club covers and tee divots, which we also sold a ton of. It's very cool that people enjoy Magic.

I enjoy the television series Lost, and I wouldn't have thought it before I started watching it, and there are many folks out there who hate it. So . . . it takes all kinds. Can't we all just get along?
you know what sucks? my nationals are on 11th of july.
by RaveX
Jun 26th, 2009
09:56:34 AM
which means, we get to play with stupid new rules, without all the broken goodness that's in m10.

yay.

R.I.P. "damage on stack, okay?"

ravex....no mana burn
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
10:11:07 AM
opens up plenty of "broken" strategy. the new method of dealing with multiple blockers also rocks along with lifelink and deathtouch being static abilities now.
awesome awesome awesome
by xevoid
Jun 26th, 2009
10:22:25 AM
As a huge MTG player, and as someone who couldn't care less about the other tabletop games that often get "news" here when MTG has such a frikkin huge player base, I say its about time. Well done, Massawyrm!

Except that these pics have been out for days now on a good site for mtg news, mtgsalvation. com.I haven't seen the first one so it might be new, but the others have been out for a week or so. But more of this please sir!
Phil Follio
by dudemandude
Jun 26th, 2009
10:54:21 AM
He was always one of my fav's, his wife did a few cards too. Juzam still might be my favorite.. but overall Magic has bad ass artwork on their cards
2010 spoiler so far:
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
10:59:15 AM
http://mtgsalvation.com/magic- 2010-m10-core-set-spoiler.html BTW platinum angel is being reprinted. great news for me.
remove the space
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
11:00:12 AM
or the link doesn't work sorry
Warp World! Party time! Excellent!
by Gojira_X
Jun 26th, 2009
11:19:43 AM
Magic The Gathering? What is this, 1996?
by ricarleite2
Jun 26th, 2009
11:58:20 AM
People still play this? You serious?
YOU'VE JUST ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!
by turketron_2
Jun 26th, 2009
12:09:34 PM
and shut the fuck up NeilF
ricarleite2
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
12:16:35 PM
trends tend to have cycles. I never played magic beforeand am just getting into it at 23. it's actually pretty nice because the adults are playing magic and all the kids stick to yugioh and pokemon.
Mass is on Wizard's Payroll
by Scorpio
Jun 26th, 2009
12:34:16 PM
There's no other reasonable explanation for the fact that virtually all his so-called "tabletop games" columns are exclusively devoted to WOTC products like D&D4E and Magic. Sheesh. Try broadening your horizons, dude. I'm sure your Masters in Renton won't object to you being less obvious.
Magic the gathering & WOW is always a joke
by CENOBITE
Jun 26th, 2009
12:56:35 PM
Whenever I go on a date, what "seals the deal" is making fun of her ex boyfriend for being a total looser for either playing WOW or Magic the Gathering.
Serra Angel
by Toonol
Jun 26th, 2009
01:05:47 PM
Nothing has ever been as good as that piece of art from the original set. All the recent art is very good, but also a bit generic, in my opinion.

I have a bunch of cards from many years ago, the first wide release. I tried playing with them, recently, but people freaked out. They barely work with the game now. That pretty much convinced me I'll never play it again, because I'm not going to shell out for a bunch of new cards.

Please, post Scriptgirl tomorow.
by Toonol
Jun 26th, 2009
01:07:46 PM
I have an urge to post this on every thread today. I won't, though; that'd be obnoxious.
difference between mtg and other tcgs
by RaveX
Jun 26th, 2009
01:14:07 PM
it doesn't even matter if magic was the first or not. the thing that matters is that other games are either a current fad (pokemon/you gay oh!/lotr tcg/2nd sw tcg/shamman king/and so on) or based on established properties with existing fan base (overpower/marvel's 2nd tcg no one played/versus system/decipher's wars tcg/wow, which should probably go under "current fad"/etc.).

now, games in the 1st category last only as long as the phenomenon they're tied with matters: lotr and wotc's star wars pretty much ended within months after last movie in each franchise came out; pokemon and yogioh still have somewhat strong following, but nowhere near as strong as when their cartoons wore the hottest shit around for kids (and, to be honest, yugioh has quite decent gameplay mechanics: they simplified magic and added tons of new stuff. if they were never tied to that idiotic cartoon... sure, they would never reach the popularity they had 4 years ago, but they would be enjoying permanent steady increase in player base. this way, once the interest for anime went out it took the players as well. also, compared to mtg their tournaments have INSANE prizes).

problem with games that were made for fans of x movie/comic/tv show/whatever is that 99% of their creators don't even try: they just trow together dumb mechanics and/or "borrow" them from other games and pay extra attention to get pretty pictures of characters on cards. and for all intents and purposes, it's enough: these games are generally never supposed to evolve or become popular at tournaments around the world. they are meant to be played in basement with your friends, while dressed up as obi-wan/spiderman.

notable exception would be versus system. it's very well designed, started right off with around-the-world tournament circle (à la magic's GPs and PTs), had excellent promotion... and died less then 5 years from it's launch.

m:tg has been around since 1993. I started playing in 2001. in these 8 years I never once got a feeling they're running out of ideas for cards or expansions (sure, couple of times I had the feeling they are going insane *COUGH skullclamp goyf COUGH*). and it's because the core concept of game isn't tied to anything. hell, it's not even fantasy anymore. when people grew tired of dominaria, they just said "fuck it", blew that world up and started creating new worlds/planes.

"people like this yugioh shit right? they also like ninjas and samurais? lets make kamigawa!"; "how about some eastern europe mythology? well, hello there ravnica."

by not being forced to go in pre-set direction, they are open to go in all of them (when 1st season of heroes was starting, I felt that it was their greatest advantage: by not doing jla or x-men show, producers were free to go in all and any direction they wanted to. too bad they settled on "direction: shit").

only other tcgs that tried doing their own thing are hecatomb (seemed equally insanely fun and crazy to play, survived for the whole 3 months before being put down) and vampire (crazy good game, around almost as long as magic, lived trough change of publisher. tons of my friends have been playing it for years, lately started becoming more and more popular. so, I guess that twilight was good for at least something.)

whoa, I think I got carried away a bit here, all I wanted to say was that magic was around for more then 15 years, and it's not going away anytime soon.

and by the time I wrote all of this, wotc probably released another expansion. ba-dum-ching!

I had a job in a coffee joint circa 1993
by mr.underwater
Jun 26th, 2009
01:14:39 PM
For some reason a bunch of Magic players chose to converge there to play. Basically, one out of every four would buy a singular cup of coffee (and sip it over 6 hours), no one would tip anything, and they would take up 3/4th of the place.

Management made me enforce the "you need to buy something to sit here" rule, since they were taking up tables that paying customers wanted to use. This made them go nutzoid, and all roll in one day where none of them were going to buy anything (I guess as a form of protest). So I had to throw them all out.
What happened to the other half of my story?
by mr.underwater
Jun 26th, 2009
01:16:26 PM
Sucks, it was a good one too...
cenobite
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
01:21:26 PM
haha nerdy things are fun to mock and yet it never botehrs people who do it. Why? because they enjoy doing it. I play MTG with all kinds people. If a chick knocked MTG or WOW or something nerdy I'd tell her scrapbooking is the lamest and most insulting thing a human could do on this Earth. People have hobbies, either way though your welcome for sealing the deal thanks to losers like me.
RAVEX
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
01:22:55 PM
too true, and despite Magic's lack of focus on style and content it never suffers and lately the tie in books have been pretty damn good. I mean some really well done amoral fantasy storytelling.
Wow, deleted my post, eh?
by Scorpio
Jun 26th, 2009
01:28:37 PM
Guess I scored a bullseye about who's pimping this column.
scorpio your posts is exactly where it was
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
02:04:43 PM
you're a fucking moron.
logicalnoise01; mr.underwater; Scorpio
by RaveX
Jun 26th, 2009
02:05:37 PM
logicalnoise01: last novel I read was mirrodin. aka, the one with dumb elves and smart goblins. yeah... I kind of stopped there. as for the ones before that, I really liked the invasion/dominaria war cycle and torment. funny thing is, I hated onslaught (dumb kamahl wants shiny orb! grrrr!), and torment was basically retelling of the same events from chainer's perspective. and it was such a great story.

might as well try some new books. having them as result of buying fat packs and all...

as for the lack of mana burn in new rules, I don't think it'll have that much of an impact one the game. although, check the current price of fire: that crap was 0.01$ two weeks ago.

mr.underwater: you should've had confiscated some of the cards they were playing with: these days alpha/beta basic lands go for about 15$. don't even get me started on how much you could get for power9.

Scorpio: dude... your post is still up there.

*current price of BRAID OF FIRE
by RaveX
Jun 26th, 2009
02:07:17 PM
edit function please...
ravex
by logicalnoise01
Jun 26th, 2009
02:11:29 PM
only read the alara reborn book and the one before it about jace beleren. both were pretty good IMO. Though I did pick up an old one called "teh cursed land" for 2 bucks at a used books tore and it's pretty hard to get into.
people who don't play
by Spice-Orange
Jun 26th, 2009
03:33:26 PM
don't realize the game is stronger than ever, easier to learn than ever, and its the most organized its ever been. Because they plan expansions out 2 years ahead of time, we'll know right away when this game is about to lose popularity. its less socially awkward to play magic than d&d, but they get clumped together all the time. magic is a game, while d&d is more like living an alternate life that you really can't "win" in 10 minutes.
The last one
by DDillustration
Jun 26th, 2009
03:41:51 PM
is the best one, definitely.
More in the heavens Massa...
by Darkplanet
Jun 26th, 2009
06:24:46 PM
I mean, you've got to look at the bloat of criticism about your "preferences" here and realize that movie geeks are also to some degree gamer geeks. There's sooooooooooooooo much more out there than WOTC and we'd really like to see you expand your borders a bit. Would make AICN's game section a heck of a lot more interesting.
Bring Back Quinton Hoover
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Jun 26th, 2009
06:34:10 PM
That's all I've got to say, really. I don't even play the game anymore. But holy hell did I love his work.
USENET Post from 1996: Will trade Crack Cocaine for MTG
by jeffh4
Jun 26th, 2009
07:03:29 PM
Back from the days of rec.cards.trading.magic being the place to buy/sell/trade auction your MTG stuff. Never did find the post again, but it was pretty clear the poster was majorly addicted to the CCG.
Darkplanet
by Massawyrm 1
Jun 26th, 2009
07:16:15 PM

Well, I look at the "bloat of criticism" about my "preferences" and I see A) the same half dozen or so guys complaining B) Gamers like yourself who conveniently forget my coverage of Out Of Box Games, Privateer Press, Fantasy Flight Games, Rackham and Games Workshop (which together with WotC make up six of the ten largest game companies) when they make such criticsm and C) a bunch of guys who don't understand the fundamental problems of the gaming market, chief among them that most companies don't have marketing departments geared towards the media.

If you guys think I'm not out there trying to find cool games or get streams of info coming in from the other major companies (and the cool small ones) then you are sorely mistaken. Most of the companies out there just don't know how to deal with media. They don't have press releases, don't seek out media coverage and rely entirely upon in-store word of mouth to sell their games. Which I personally believe is why this is a struggling medium. GW is a particularly odd case - they have no media people at all. If you're running a tournament, a call will send you to their tournament promotions dept. who will send you hundreds of dollars in prize support to get twenty guys excited about the game. But if you want to check out their books for review, they play hot potato with your phone call because they don't know who to send you to.

WotC and FFG on the other hand have dedicated, excellent press departments that send press releases, product for review and are always interested in getting the word out. Why does it seem like I talk about WotC all the time? Because they have 3-5 new products coming out a month and are always happy to let me know about them and check them out. Believe me, if GW, PP and SJG had the marketing departments that WotC and FFG have, you'd see their names up here just as often. But it's hard to get so much as press releases out of those guys.

The long and the short of it is this: I am first and foremost a movie critic who has managed to talk his friend into letting me have this small corner of the site to help introduce fellow geeks to the joys of gaming. I talk about the positives, share info that comes my way with my fellow gamers and get to do a little writing about something I mostly only get to write in forums about. If you want me to cover something, do what others have done: write your favorite game companies and urge them to send me press releases and let me know about their product. I've called. I've e-mailed. These companies either don't care, don't want, or don't know how to deal with this kind of thing. And there's not much I can do about that. While at times I wish I could give the time and energy to uncovering the internal goings ons and release breaking secrets of this industry early, there's just not a big enough readership to warrant it. Which is why it's such a big deal that I get to write about gaming at all on a site as big as this.

He-Man and Battle Cat?
by Lyghthouse
Jun 26th, 2009
07:30:48 PM
Thats all I can see on the stained glass window one.
Geeks are a nasty lot
by lokipan
Jun 26th, 2009
10:06:37 PM
If you don't believe me check out any blog dedicated to "old-school gaming". The amount of hatred for WotC is staggering.
Um, 2 of the images aren't showing up...
by FeralAngel
Jun 27th, 2009
12:14:04 AM
All I can see is the pic of the angel. Internet Explorer just shows red x's for the other two pics, while Firefox says they can't be displayed because of errors. Bummer. I really wanted to see that stained-glass lion thing...
yeah i only get one
by BMacSmith
Jun 27th, 2009
01:34:23 AM
Bring back Dragon Dice!
by Dingbatty
Jun 27th, 2009
03:38:20 AM
Heheheh, kidding. You can get buckets of the dice from Archie McPhee for cheap.
LogicalNoise
by SlickyVonBoner
Jun 27th, 2009
07:50:43 AM
MTG is cheaper... Cheaper than what? Poker? I player MTG for only a couple of years but I dumped a few hundred in it each year. How is this cheaper than any other table top game, aside from collectible miniature games. They come out with three expansions a year for crying out loud, which I always thought was too much. When I was seeing old cards reprinted with new mechanics, like counterspells with flashback or buyback, I decided to stop wasting my money. Though it is a great game, with some of the most balanced mechanics, it's too damn expensive. Also, playing drunk is fun, but easy to make stupid mistakes. I thought MTG had some of the best artwork around too.
"They come out with three expansions a year for crying out loud"
by RaveX
Jun 27th, 2009
09:50:31 AM
four.

yeah. I know.

as for drunk magic... it frakkin' rules! a few years back we had this kind of major tournament. 8 towns with 8 players each, town vs. town. it was round robin, so 7 rounds played. the thing was, it was being held at the site that was basically a night club. and since it wasn't sanctioned, no pesky judges or organizers breathing behind your back if they spot a bottle. so, needless to say, by round 3 everyone was drunk. by round 5, plays being made started becoming quite epic.

the saddest thing is, in last round I lost to a guy who fell unconciousnes about 4 times during our match. and he still managed to get scion of darkness out twice in 2nd turn. which sucked.

slicky
by logicalnoise01
Jun 27th, 2009
10:47:26 AM
yes poker, a lot fo tehse guys only played poker before. and teh game reprints a lot of old cards. 2 cards I spent 20 bucks on are being reprinted for this new sets saving me money. You only spend as much as you want to. and if you don't want to spend money on new cards you can trade.
MTG jumped the shark after "7".
by BiggusDickus
Jun 27th, 2009
12:30:58 PM
Once the typeface and layout changed, it killed the game for me.

Petty, I know, but I just found it too distracting...

Hey Massawyrm
by El_Barstardo
Jun 28th, 2009
10:50:06 PM
Have you thought about opening this section up to make it a committee/group effort, kind of like the comics section is with the league of @$$holes? Unlike movies you can't just check something out within a few hours, so the section would benefit from a variety of people with different tastes contributing and giving more areas of gaming coverage. I'm sure you could find other people interested in contributing - I would be.
Best MTG card ever?
by BiggusDickus
Jun 29th, 2009
05:00:21 PM
'Jester's Mask' from Ice Age.

Take your opponent's cards off him and give him a handful of shit in return.

Marvellous.

I gave up...
by rodcone
Jun 30th, 2009
04:35:08 AM
as soon as they introduced shadow.
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