I think this bears a little more expansion, yeah? considering it's been at the root of the distaste almost every reviewer (especially Harry) has for this shitstorm, and it's one of the things you somehow like about it. can you, um...explain that a little further?

Now, head over to the Avatar thread.

I'm just thinking you're gonna get a lot of flack in the talkback for getting a kick out of those characters.

I know, I know...hard to imagine. talkbackers being irate. but as unlikely as it seems, I think it's going to happen amazingly enough.

the worst part is you think im joking right now

most of them are idiots.

Loud noises blurry action shinny metal guns tits ass cussing shit comedy bright colors farting leg humping random screaming random S'PLOSIONS Linkin Park

It is the greatest movie of all time 10/10

Bay is a genius and a visionary .....hopefully future generations will understand his greatness.

unless you count the one in the 80's where they killed Optimus.

but that was a cartoon too.

The term blockbuster came from films that were SO good that people flocked to see them. Movies that were well written and directed, imaginative and exciting. Now it just the one with the biggest marketing spend. Who cares if its any good, look at the explosions

they wont.

if certain lunatic fans had they're choice, they'd make a gus van sant style scene for scene shot by shot remake of the cartoon, only with people and real cars, and then the people and real cars wouldn't be like the cartoon enough, so they would be rotoscoped so that fanboy director would show the hokey ass cartoon and actually expect people to finally take their sad obsession with toys seriously.

"fans" are the biggest scumbags on earth.

Quint, you have to be kidding. Right?

do you not see the difference here? even people who normally ENJOY his films are calling this a trainwreck. it's being EVISCERATED EVERYWHERE. we can all agree that movies like The Rock and Armageddon may be silly and stupid, but they were at least coherent and fun. Transformers one was retarded, but at least it didn't have racist robots or any of the rest of the moronic shit that it sounds like this new one has.

we have all seen in the past couple years that you can make HUGE summer blockbusters that are actually GOOD. Dark Knight, Iron Man, Star Trek...WHY WOULD YOU BE CONTENT TO SETTLE FOR MINDLESS RETARDED SHIT WHEN YOU CAN HAV YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO?

why give Bay a free pass to make this mindless shit, make it obscenely stupid, misogynistic, racist, etc. (not to mention marketed for kids) when you could hire a real director and actually make a decent movie?

this whole, "oh come on, it's just mindless fun" mentality, it's completely lost on me. why would you WANT to have to turn your brain off to watch this shitstorm?

I'm honestly asking for someone to explain to me why anyone would want to settle for the lowest common denominator.

There was never really any problem with T:S when there were Terminators on screen. and when the T800 came out... WOW.... but the film on a whole was just trash. uninteresting characters, boring under developed sub-plots and really really wacky editing.

that opening teaser part was fucking ridiculous... and then the fade to black and cut to written info on the what happens next and where we're now going to be set was equally as dumb.

My biggest gripe, When the terminator showed up in both T1 & T2 there was a real peril, a fear for the person being attacked because the Terminator incapacitates it's victims so cold and grusomely. THAT was the appeal imo....

watching T:S i found myself seeing moments when fists could have been put thru bodies, when bones could be crunched. and the let down hurt.

dont get me started on terminators having usb ports that can be used to control via laptop.

fucking bullshit movie. why did i see it?

It is called a guilty pleasure. You don't have to force others to accept it, you just have to acknowledge that you like it despite the fact that it sucks or that it is aesthetically lacking. Hell, I like BLOOD DINNER and DON’T TELL MOM THE BABY SITTER IS DEAD, but I don’t think anyone out there would consider those good movies. They are guilty pleasures, films I realize are completely devoid of any artistic merit but I still like them for some reason or another.

So Transformer defenders, instead of getting mad at people for giving a bad film a bad review, maybe you should just say “Yeah, I know it sucks but I still liked it.” I think you’ll find that people can understand that versus you insisting that we someone give Transformers a free pass just because it is a Bay film.

Sign that it is late and I should go to bed.

Best film critic quote EVER.

Imdb needs to update their credits bc I'm sure I saw Micheal York's name as a voice actor too. Maybe for one of the Primes.

I dare you to go back and watch any Michael Bay film as part of A Movie a Week or whatever and say aloud, "New Cut" every time there is a new cut. Let me know how many you get to.

Granted, the Decepticon Pretenders were apparently disguised as large beasts and it was the Autobot Pretenders that were disguised as humans. Even the human looking Pretenders though apparently looked more like tall humans clad in armor.

Wikipedia article can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/n2qstq

have a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P retender_(Transformers)

In the cartoons, this is how transformers' sparks worked. There was even an episode where Megatron made all the other Decepticons give him their sparks so he could have some of their powers to fight Optimus Prime. I remember Starscream didn't want to give his up and was made to at gunpoint. So when Prime gets the other spark, and gains some abilities, that's about right as far as "lore."

Also, that's Jetfire's story from the cartoon as well. He was evil and I think got reprogrammed into an autobot Skyfire who looked very much like a Valkyrie VF-1J from Macross. I like this version better, actually, where he had a philosophically motivated change of heart.

Not that anyone who doesn't remember the cartoon that well will know or care about this stuff, and my kids still think it was shit except the guys liked looking at Megan Fox.

You know, if someone made some kind of coffee table book of amazing, iconic action shots - not sequences, but single shots - I'd expect Bay to be well represented. The man's previews are stuffed full of awesome, heroic, well-framed images, but when I see them in the context of the movie, they just don't gel for me...

I'm tempted to wait for DVD though, because essentially this movie is made for 12 year olds, and, well, I'm not twelve.

Is this what you guys are going to pay money to see???

But the movie itself is a huge trainwreck. The best parts being the CGI work and the IMAX shots, which are great but I agree with Quint, the cutting from 35mm to IMAX is too distracting. What sucks? Everything else. Even the action isn't paced well and the robot designs are still shit so you still cant tell what the fuck is going on on the screen.

C'mon-you have Robot Angels, a baddie hide-out on Titan, Megatron making Crank Calls, the Fallen aping Jaack in Bats '89 over-taking the airwaves to threaton everyone, pointless cameos of the Empire State Building, Brooklyn Bridge, etc.

It was great. You can't tell any of the robots apart-but then it's like whining about keeping the pawns, knights and rooks apart in a chess-game. Backstories on the motorbike twins there or a few more lines for the greysilver one-Sideswipe?-while okay for Fanboy Whank, really wouldn't add much, now would they?

Heck the whole opening biz about the family, the gremlin bots, the college shit, the girl w/ the metal tongue and the gay dogs-that was funny, and honestly over-with kinda quickly it seemed to me.

This is what you're gonna get if you make a movie series based on Toy Robots that turn into Trucks, cars, planes, and hit each other. Bay is given the keys to Ft Knox to make these, he DOES--and there ya go. This is what you get.

It's fun. I liked it more than I ever did Bats II last year, so---there ya go.