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James Cameron Shows Twenty-Four Minutes Of AVATAR!!!

"Avatar will change movie industry forever" by Subtitles_Off	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:18:10 PM
Oh. Fuck. Off.
Lubin' my sockets by Autodidact	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:19:39 PM
Can't fucking wait!
wow...we will see. by Nuking the Fridge	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:20:22 PM
Would have liked to have seen Michael Biehn in this flick. He could use the work.
And a ray of light appears... by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:22:44 PM
Oh, please, oh please, let this live up to the hype...
Cautiously optimistic... by slone13	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:24:13 PM
Cautiously optimistic indeed
I miss crappy cardboard sets. by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:25:47 PM
Sniff
finallu something cool happening in my city by Basehead	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:25:57 PM
I mean, we are not really in the grasp of any other cool movie news
My eyes have a restraining order. by Trannyformers_Apologist	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:28:37 PM
"It's long been known that Laeta Kalogridis has been working on Battle Angel and The Dive for James Cameron, and her work on the Avatar script has also recently come to light. Kalogridis has been a very well-respected screenwriter, but until now it seems she hasn't had much luck getting her screenplays produced. Well, that's about to change - Kalogridis' career is really heating up. Later this year, along with a little movie called Avatar, she has Martin Scorsese's Shutter Island. She is also working on the script for the action-comedy Witchita, which will star Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz."
Looks awesome.... by jebuslovesyou666	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:28:44 PM
Though with the budget and when its being released, I think it may be a huge flop. But I'm sure it'll be watchable at least.
Let the ocular foreplay begin! by ebonic_plague	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:28:47 PM
And the may the "overhyped/underhyped" flame war consume us all. Nash out.
"Lubin my sockets" by sith_rising	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:29:12 PM
actually made me laugh out loud. I clicked on this thread just to see some "eyeball fucking" jokes. But in all seriousness, can't wait to see this.
I hope this movie kicks ass by Mattyboy122	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:29:35 PM
BUT...with a price tag of, what, 300 million or more, who in their right mind thinks this movie is going to make its money back, much less be a blockbuster/game-changer? That's at least 600 million to break even, and probably more than that. So this movie would have to do Dark Knight business to be a hit. I have my doubts.
NO, NOT THE BEES! by snaps_provolone	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:30:45 PM
THEY'RE IN MY EYES! MY EYES!!! AHHHHHH!!!
YOU CAN FEEL IT IN YOUR BALLS by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:30:45 PM
it's the first sign that Cameron's going to deliver TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
Sorta looks like a really cool animated movie... by FlickaPoo	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:30:51 PM
...Cameron makes fun movies and I'm looking forward to this one...not really interested in arguing about how many revolutionary eye-raping 3-D movies can dance on the head of a pin. But keep the K-Y ready...just in case...
I love the fact that he chose to show it... by RaveX	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:31:33 PM
...around the time tf2 is opening around the world. good ol' jim, he probably wanted to give people some glimpse of hope.
Well... by BlueHawaiiSurfer	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:32:00 PM
I have been REALLY doubting everything I've heard for a long time. I'm starting to believe this will be good. I could give a fuck less if it makes back the money, the fact is it has been made and I'll get to see it. Here's hoping it will be good and worth the money. I jump on the positive side of the fence.
I'll wait for the real trailer... by Logan_1973	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:34:04 PM
Before I buy into this...
Looks like every X Box game commercial by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:35:15 PM
My eyes aren't fucked yet.
ABking says: JAMES CAMERON will show that hack MICHAEL BAY! by ABking	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:35:47 PM
Bay thinks he's all big and bad. It's time JAMES CAMERON came out of his hole and reminded the world why he is KING OF THE WORLD (alongside STEVEN SPIELBERG). Hacks like BAY need to be reminded of such things.
They said the same thing about Sky Captain and the World of Tomo by NZGUY	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:35:57 PM
Great visual blah blah blah, but if it turns out to be another Sky Captain where does that leave the industry?
Am I the only one who actually liked SKY CAPTAIN? by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:37:40 PM
I thought it was great. I wish they'd make a part 2.
Ouch, NZGuy by Mgmax	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:38:36 PM
That really hurts. That said, Cameron has usually delivered a pulpy emotional punch-- who else could make Terminator 2 into Ordinary People 2, too-- so I have hopes that it won't JUST be eye candy.
CAMERON!!!! by gotilk	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:40:36 PM
DIAZ! Wat's this about a movie with Tome Cruise??
ZombieHeathLedger by gotilk	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:44:03 PM
I liked it a lot, too. It didn't blow my mind, but it was a visual win for me. Great fun.
SKY CAPTAIN wasn't directed by the KING OF THE WORLD! by ABking	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:44:26 PM
Did you miss that part?
What if they don't release any footage? by snaps_provolone	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:44:28 PM
What would you guys think about that? Take it back to the old school days of "Psycho" and even "Star Wars," and have zero footage. That way, everyone would experience the whole thing with zero idea of what to expect. Thoughts?
I can't stand this 3D resurgence. by OutlawsDelejos	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:44:29 PM
It really adds nothing to a cinematic experience.
3D won't be relevant until the glasses are gone. by Kid Idioteque	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:48:04 PM
Sorry, Jim.
Gotilk re:SKY CAPTAIN by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:48:19 PM
I agree, it's not the end all be all. But I recently re-watched it on DVD and thought it had a clever script, a unique design and wildly imaginative overall.
Also getting sick of this teasing bullshit. by OutlawsDelejos	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:49:17 PM
I'll give a fuck when I see a trailer, till then it's here say and wasting my time.
dunno by Hasselhoffflying	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:49:26 PM
some fancy colors are nice but is there a plot?
RE: snaps_provolone by Kid Idioteque	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:49:46 PM
Great idea. But with a movie that cost half a billion dollars... not gonna happen.
They mentioned "Holy Fuck!!"... by drompter	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:50:25 PM
But no eyeball fucking. That doesn't smell good.
I'm sure it's brilliant... by kateowyn	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:50:55 PM
...but 3D renaissance??? Seriously??? Ugh. Why is this necessary? First digital, now this...goodbye, beautiful film.
Does it have SMELL O VISION? by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:51:11 PM
Wow, that poop on the screen smells like real poop!
Is there any real reason to think by Subtitles_Off	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:54:20 PM
AVATAR will have a bigger audience than Dawson's Trek, TERMINATOR SALVATION or TRANSFORMERS? No. Huge opening. 50 - 60 % drop on the second Saturday. More sequels and re-envisionings and movies based on video games, green-lit. Industry, unchanged.
Will Destroy Star Trek by GeorgieBoy	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:54:33 PM
Star Trek is dead. Hail the new Star Trek!
Saw Moon today... by WoodsUlmanndotcom	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:58:22 PM
fucking awesome. Real sets and models... imagine that! HAHAA! MODELS?! ACTUAL things that are there... on the set! And for $5 million... anyway, just wanted to throw my two cents in and say to go see it, you won't be disappointed. i sincerely hope Avatar doesn't change a thing for filmmaking, but that it does make Bay and Abrams quiver in fear as Cameron stands astride the Straits of Spielberg like a towering Colossus... he will let them pass through no longer.
I wouldn't say my eyeballs have been fucked so far... by FuckMichaelBay	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:59:34 PM
...but at the very least it has flirted with me and bought me a drink.
Star Trek is Dead? by Nuking the Fridge	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:00:35 PM
Um...yeah? It is one of the biggest hits of the year. And it is the most successful Trek ever. It has revived Star Trek, what you smoking?
More Col. Hicks. Less Jack Dawson. by NivekJ	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:00:40 PM
I want a kick-ass space military action movie. But the only thing that makes that worthwhile are the characters. Why does The Rock kick ass? Nicolas Cage and Sean Connery. Right? WRONG. Because Stanley Goodspeed and John Mason kick ass, that's why? Why does Pearl Harbor suck? Because Ben Affleck, Josh Hartnett, and Kate Beckinsale suck? WRONG! (Well, maybe...) Because the characters, whose names I can't even remember, stink. Bad acting, bad directing stinks. But bad writing just can't be undone. Avatar can fuck our eyes all it wants. But if she doesn't have a good personality behind her, there's no sense in keeping her. Please Jim, don't let Avatar be a one-night stand. My eyes can't stand the tease.
from that last picture by dr fractal	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:08:06 PM
it looks like cameron is fucking our eyes with eyvind earle's paintbrush. http://tiny.cc/0tbnm
was it a 24 minute chunk of film or just random montages? by Six Demon Bag	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:09:51 PM
what did harvey dent say? the night is always darkest before the dawn...thank you james...thank you for giving me hope again this weekend.
Bet you movie plays great with HALO music by kbarber29	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:10:44 PM

oooh, fuck'n stunning images, now thats creative cgi by pipergates	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:14:00 PM

eye witness description of footage by hegele	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:14:24 PM
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/
Of course it had crazy visuals by Magnum Opus	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:15:46 PM
In Amsterdam, even Mosquito Coast would have crazy awesome visual effects.
WHAT IS THIS ABOUT?!?!?!?! by Frodo T. Baggins	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:16:25 PM
Been reading about this movie forever and I still know nothing about it
That art's really impressive... by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:17:51 PM

Cameron's all - Look What I Got Bitches!!! by kbarber29	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:20:39 PM
And then he closes his film reel and runs away. This will be the third film I will watch this year. 1. Star Trek 2. 2012 3. Avatar Maybe Alice in Wonderland. Need to wait and see.
i wish someone had recorded it by SylarTheCylon	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:29:29 PM
dying to see this
Sorry to break it to everyone. by gotilk	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:32:58 PM
3d is not a gimmick anymore. It's here to stay. Will everything be in 3d? Why.the.hell.not? Does everything need to be in color? Have sound? Yes, there are people who cannot seem to experience 3d. But there are colorblind people as well, and that didn't stop color. It's just not a fad this time because it's nearly perfect, doesn't cause universal headaches and is full resolution/full color. People that think it's "just a fad" are the assholes that said the same thing at the advent of VR. Now we've had to wait... what?... another 2 decades for advancements in VR and STILL no home hardware for motion tracked, head mounted or retinal projection display. If all the people that poo-pooed all over rudimentary VR 15 years ago without even trying it had their way, we'd wait another 20 years for it. Instead we have overpriced, same old same old 2d video games (sorry, that's what they are) and consoles with advancements that are essentially just miniscule improvements over last year's photo-realism coupled with interactive hardware that comes CLOSE to immersion but never really achieves it. All when the technology for immersion in 3d is here and HAS BEEN here for almost a decade. The only risk ever taken with it was the horrifically awful "virtual boy", which looked like 30 year old technology in 3d. That and it's name sounded like Michael Jackson's Holodeck fantasy. The industry thought of that single failure every time it heard the words "virtual" and "reality". So yes, everyone. Let's shit all over the next great thing that will save the industry from complete meltdown failure. Not that it matters. Once Cameron's film comes out, it will not be a matter of choice. Your eyeballs will spontaneously dampen involuntarily like the crotch of a 13 year old at a Jonas Brothers concert. And afterward you'll be praying to your god asking him why he can't make the "bad thoughts" go away.
any "D" will do! by Zardoz	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:34:09 PM
SO looking forward to this movie! (please be good!)
that first pic looks like an actual by BillboeFett	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:34:18 PM
frame from the movie, its very different in tone, shading, resolution, light, etc. than the rest. It looks WAY more rendered too. The others just look like nice paintings. I'd wager the first is an actual screengrab.
re: Sky Captain by NZGUY	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:41:51 PM
The point is the same stuff was said about Sky Captain which is being said at this presentation. "The visuals were great, the technique is revolutionary, this film will save the movie industry" - Sky Captain didn't save the industry and I suspect the same thing will happen with Avatar. Don't get me wrong, I love Sky Captain, and I'll probably love Avatar. But this is not going to be the saviour that the film bosses want. (and I don't think it'll make $1 Billion)
Cameron is a genius. End of story by Seth Gecko	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:49:02 PM
Some say he is a hack. They are wrong and then some. This man pushes the technological envelope like no other director in history. He makes films that defy mere standard storytelling. He is frankly the most revolutionary director in recent memory. The water tentacle in the Abyss was the first CGI shot ever in cinema history. Anyone who can honestly slag Cameron off as a filmmkaer is truly in denial and full of shit. He is apparently a hard case on the set but look what he does and creates as a result. Never know. He may get pissed off enough to do his own futuristic take on Terminator. We can only hope so.
Who cares, because... by TheFluxCapacitor	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:49:25 PM
Smallville has cast ZOD as a series regular for it's next season!
just weighing in on a few topics from above... by VoteRoslin08	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:55:32 PM
1) The new 'Trek' was badass and I'm sure long time fans had their gripes, but 'Star Wars' fans would BEG for a movie of that caliber... or at least this one would. 2) In the event 'Avatar' kicks ass, that does not mean that 'Trek' suddenly sucks or that we need to start the comparison wars. FOR ONCE can fan boys and girls just be happy they got two sweet Sci Fi (read: SyFy) flicks and call it a day?
so you'll still need goofy glasses to watch this?? by BBSloth	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:59:29 PM
That kind of sux. Looks like I'll be waiting for the DVD
Why hasn't there been a post on Ed McMahon yet? by Cotton McKnight	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:12:53 PM
Come on, people. Get with it.
Because Ed McMahon is dead today... by FuckMichaelBay	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:15:17 PM
...so expect a story on it in three days.
COMPLETELY REVOLUTIONARY by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:20:02 PM
Give me a break.
trailer with Ice Age? by Titus05	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:23:15 PM
they have to show a trailer for Avatar with the new Ice Age 3-D movie right?...makes perfect sense...plus the movie's only 6 months away...normally at least a teaser trailer would have already been out for such a big budget blockbuster movie like this
Yaaaaaaaay 24 mibutes of a movie by Briannicus	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:23:22 PM
That I will NEVER fucking see cause some douchebags couldn't shut the fuck up about it, thanks alot fuckwits!!!!!!!!
Why haven't they invented holographic 3D yet? No glasses require by Orionsangels	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:24:25 PM

Seth Gecko by Gil Brooks	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:31:49 PM
The water tentacle was not the 1st CG character on film. Please see the Stained Glass Knight from Young Sherlock Holmes. That said- This movie is going to rule. I've seen footage (not sure if it's the same footage shown), and it was fucking amazing. Hate all you want. As long as I get to see it, I'll be happy.
Reaction... by Orionsangels	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:32:18 PM
"I could not believe what I was seeing. The human eye could not tell the difference. As far as my eyes were concerned. It was real life. I'm still in shock! I can't wait till the world sees this!"
why do my eyes hurt? by StarBlitzer	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:39:02 PM
wait, don't tell me...
i shit my pants when we saw the footage by Gabbo_the_Great	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:48:47 PM
it was great!
Is it too much to ask by Tin Snoman	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:51:09 PM
for the gentle caress of a TRAILER FOR AVATAR???
Also by Tin Snoman	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:52:45 PM
Sky Captain was awesome and it's a shame Kerry Conran hasn't made more films since.
Awesome, it will most likely be at Comic Con then.. by TheWaqman	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:57:19 PM
Fuck yeah! Piss on all you haters.
box office & budget by cloudrider`	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:59:57 PM
first of all, avatar's bugdet is around $200, not 300. time magazine said $300 but they had since admitted they were mistaken. second of all, have you seen any marketing hype yet for this movie? really? how about zero? what does that say about the marketing cost of avatar, compared to, oh say, ANY blockbusters released recently? the movie will make its money back, easily! but really, every time a movie is about to release... every single fucking time, you geeks just start on giving your box office prediction. are you a financial analyst or movie lover??? let movies be movies. fuck box office! michael bay and rolland emmerich are two of the highest grossers in movie history. so fuck box office. fuck your prediction and fuck today's generation of pseudo movie buffs.
FURRIES: THE MOVIE! by ironic_name	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:04:55 PM

Melvin_Pelvis by DrMorbius	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:15:51 PM
Who says the perez hilton beat-down was a Tragedy? FPOS!!!
sky captain by cloudrider`	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:15:55 PM
good to know logic reigns in this tb. sky captain sucks so avatar must be. wow. cameron did T1, T2, truelies(underrated among fans, but apparently the movie to ripoff for young hollywood directors these days), abyss, titanic. what had conran done before sky captain? yeah, nothing. there's nothing revolutionary about sky captain. the story has its charm, but the color palette is an eyesore, and the design has the aesthetic of a 5th grade kid's drawings. comparing avatar's potential to that silly movie is just stupid.
"3D, 2D, ANY D......" by LHombreSiniestro	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:18:27 PM
Just hopin' it doesnt suck "D".
Stephen Lang?? Holy shit! by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:18:30 PM
Yeah, that's good, Mr. Law Dog, 'cause law don't go around here.
Star Trek... by Harold-Sherbort	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:20:42 PM
...SUCKED!! What was so great about it? I'm not tryin to troll here, but fuckin hell did that movie bore the shit out of me.
Stephen Lang by mrbeaks	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:21:45 PM
Is aces as Charles Winstead in PUBLIC ENEMIES. Love that guy.
Shit, he's in Public Enemies?? by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:23:07 PM
Wow, yet reason number one million and one to see that movie. So you saw it, Beaks?
The pic on their twitter... by Harold-Sherbort	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:24:03 PM
...of the guys/girls/aliens hanging from the ceiling remind of a Tool show back in 01'. That blew my mind. Hopefully, this will do the same.
Yep by mrbeaks	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:24:59 PM
It's damn good Mann. More on that next week.
snaps_provolone - NOT THE BEES!!! by Sir Loin	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:29:59 PM
Dude, that made me laugh out loud :D So here it is...http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=e6i2WRreARo P.S. HOW'D IT GET BURRRRRRNED?!
Can't wait, Beaks. by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:32:18 PM

SKY CAPTAIN by frank cotton	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:43:33 PM
i liked it
SKY CAPTAIN by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:45:02 PM
I didn't like it.
I'm all for the advancement of all things film... by HarryWannaBe	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:49:49 PM
but people saying that AVATAR will "revolutionize the movie industry" and such are a bit out of their minds I think. I'm sure this film will likely kick much ass and make obscene amounts of money, but it seems people are forgetting two things...1. how much this film is costing to make in the first place and 2. how long it's taking to make! A movie of this magnitude will probably only show up in theaters once every 2 or 3 years...it's not gonna become some standard like it feels people are making it out to be! Someone mentioned SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW earlier in this TalkBack and how that would change the way films were made...well, no, not really. That sort of process is great for films looking to be specifically stylized...but certainly not the norm. People said that FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRITS WITHIN would change filmmaking forever too because of the "photo-realistic" "actors"...again, not the case. If these stylized films (which I do enjoy quite a bit myself mind you) were to become the norm, then SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE probably would have looked something more like SIN CITY or THE SPIRIT! So yeah, they're great when they come around, but as for any film...if the story isn't any good then all the stylization (or 3D or whatever other gimmick) in the world isn't gonna mean a thing. But then again...it's always nice to have guilty pleasures as well. (Damnit, I came into this post with a point but it's late and I'm tired so blah...screw it.)
Public Enemies by theneonsamurai	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:52:18 PM
Beaks you bastard. Dying to see it.
SKY CAPTAIN by Human_Bean_Juice_	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:57:57 PM
I wanted to like it.
"You mean we have no weapons of any kind?!" by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:59:40 PM
I can't wait until this actionless, PG-13, bloodless "things flying at your face" THINDERCAT-mentally-making-out -with-a-Thundercat drivel sees the light of day. I can predict the Talkbacks even now: "OK - so AVATAR was all about atmosphere and environmessage and not really as full of action as possible, but I LIKED IT!"
SKY CAPTAIN by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	Jun 24th, 2009 12:00:36 AM
I wanted to like it too.
READ THIS AND FUCKING WEEP!!!!!!!!!! by standundermyumbrella	Jun 24th, 2009 12:04:14 AM
All credit to MArketshaw: WARNING: FOOTAGE DETAILS BELOW MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS! Hey man, This was all part of the 20th Century FOX 2009/2010 presentation. We saw clips of movies not out til november '10. But then Avatar was introduced and the crowd went silent Sigourney Weaver, Sam Worthington, Zoe Saldana and Stephen Lang stepped on stage and introduced us to their characters and a brief into of the story. They then announced we would see a large range of clips in sequential order We got to see clips with their scene numbers attached. Which ranged from sc. 8 to scn 48 -54 til 82. 82 is the last fully completed scene we saw which was only in act 2 of the film. The clips were amazing, can't go into detail too much but we see Jake a lot. My memory of quotes is fuzzy cos of the impression the screen makes. First clip showed us a militairy briefing with Stephen Lang's character about how brutal the N'avi are. He says: "My job is to keep you all alive, but I'll fail." Jake is in a wheelchair listening to the brief. Next scene we get into the lab, see two N'avi on labtables subdued. Jake enters lab with Joel Moore's character Norm Spellman who's a new doctor but knows a lot about N'avi. Next scene we see Jake and Norm entering two tanks. Jake is getting out of the wheelchair, tries to get into the tank. Someone wants to helps him but he says he can do it himself and gets his limp legs into the tank. Sigourney's doctor Grace says "So you just came out here without any training and decided to get in on this? " Then we see them take hold of their N'avi's. Norm is adjusting slow, while Jake stands up, wobbles, hits stuff with his tail and then STORMS out of the base into the wild. Until now, all we saw was the base in 3D, mostly humans and now the 2 N'avi Avatars. They look NOTHING like the drawing you've seen. They're living creatures with blue skin, bigger yellow eyes than humans with tails. The avatars even look like their human connectors. You will NOT believe the detail. Jake's character will get a wound in a scene we saw later, it looked so real. You could see beneath the skin's first layer, like only real wounds show. We later meet creatures that look like the evolutionary link between a pherodactyl and a bird. They can connect with the N'avi and hunt with them. They connect with only ONE N'avi and do this by swallowing the N'avi's tail with their mouth so they stay connected. The world outside is amazing. It all lives, breathes and works. You will not believe the amount of leaves that look like someone created that jungle for real. Later scenes involved Grace, Norm and Jake in the jungle exploring. Jake encounters a animal which stomps towards him, Grace tells him to stand his ground. He does and the animal backs away to reveal a more sinister animal behind them. Jake fights it and runs. Next scene we only see Jake so I assume he lost Grace & Norm. He is being attacked by very very very nasty black dogs. Not only do we see their teeth, their gums look nasty as well. It's all so photorealistic you first wonder where they got these dogs. They look like our dogs but slightly different and it's only then you realise what this is. All CGI. Jake gets saved by Neytiri (Zoe Saldana), a real N'avi with bow and arrow. Afterwards he wants to thank her but she gets mad. She says "You not need thank me, this shouldn't have happened. They shouldn't have to be killed if it wasn't for you." The next scene we see is Neytiri and Jake on a treeledge entering a Pandoran village where seeds of a sacred tree touch Jake. I mean touch. They touch his skin and then some fly off while others get absorbed by his N'avi skin. After that: Cameron entered the stage. He talked about the beasts and how we now saw how it was to walk on Pandora. Now we were going to fly. We then get introduced to the beasts I mentioned earlier and a small scene of Neytiri riding one ends the scenes that were finished. Cameron then came back, talked about the specifics of the rendering already mentioned by others and then said: Now imagine 3000 of these beasts. One more scene was shown then of something that will be near the climax of the movie. A battle between humans and N'avi. It was mo-cap footage of humans with the template CGI. Best to describe it would be World of Warcraft on a high-end PC. That's what it looks like when it's 40% done. And that is NOTHING like it'll end up but it shows WETA, Cameron how the scene will play. And even in that stage, the amount of bodymovement is absolutely realistic. In that scene we also meet the bot that was displayed at the afterparty. What is most imporant about this movie: Everything lives and breathes. The tree in the scene with the sacred seeds glowed. Not the bast, but the tree underneath glowed like a living thing. Jake encounters plants which look like a kid's slide which shrink when he touches them. Little fireflies and birds fly through the shots without being there. You just take them as the world, like a dove in Central Park. It's not placed there, it lives there and just happens to be in the shot. There's a shot of leaves somewhere which is so photorealistic you don't want to think it's CGI. You believe this world from the get-go. It's there, you don't need to believe it because you will experience it. The cast and Cameron came back on stage after the last clip, took a VERY VERY VERY long round of applause and the houselights came on. The audience afterwards was stunned. Everyone just gasped, wondered and just couldnt believe what they saw. [Cameron] is so proud of this movie and still handles it with great suave like he just folded a paper plane. When asked how long the movie is right now, he answered with "I don't [want] to say how long. That implies it's TOO long. Epic is more of the right word." He really shined when he told us how Steven Spielberg and Peter jackson are now working on TinTin with this and how he gave them to the studio for a week to 'play with it'. I am just mindbaffled how a genius like that can contain himself with something like this. This movie will change the industry. It can now enable me to play a character in a studio, then to be transferred into something different on screen so an audience will believe I am that different character. This is not the Polar Express style 'change of character'. This will enable actors to act without them being cast on looks, but on bodylanguage from now on. Fifty years from now I'll tell my grandkids I was at this presentation and witnessed it 6 months before the movieworld was changed. Only shame: I won't be able to see the final product like we saw today. With Cine Expo the most advanced projectors and audio is installed which won't be rolled out to most cinema's til probably next year's summer. But IMAX 3D will make this movie shine like never before, I hope. I hope this gives you an impression of what we experienced. I had a hard time putting it to words. You just can't fully do it.
Sky Captain by Ye Not Guilty	Jun 24th, 2009 12:05:27 AM
I liked Sky Captain, but it failed to give the audience an "in" to the the story. What it needed was a conceit similar to PLEASANTVILLE where Sky Captain was actually some regular guy in our world who gets sucked somehow into this pulp serial universe, then has to defeat the bad guys and solve the mystery (and save and get the girl) before he can return. Would've been a huge hit if it had had something like that.
Ugh, too drunk to read all...save for tomorrow or today actually by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	Jun 24th, 2009 12:05:46 AM

Mindblowing - Harry what happened to the Singapore launch? by hallmitchell	Jun 24th, 2009 12:07:23 AM
Wow. This will make up for all of the crap geek films this year. Excluding Star Trek.
I'm sure people wiill turn out in droves by kolchak	Jun 24th, 2009 12:07:30 AM
To see fucking Caillou running around like the demented spawn of Caine from kung fu. This movie doe not have universal appeal. I smell a big budget, flashy looking, fail.
I thought you were two am phonecall tight with The King? by hallmitchell	Jun 24th, 2009 12:07:56 AM

Wow, megahype has made people so cynical.... by Projectedlight	Jun 24th, 2009 12:22:44 AM
...but if the experience of watching this film is at all like these viewers have UNANIMOUSLY said, it can't fail. The word of mouth on this thing is going to be absurd.
Read their response to Ice Age 3 before you take faith in their by Statham_Wastes_Em	Jun 24th, 2009 12:23:58 AM
Today's second screening at #cinexpo was "Ice Age 3" in 3D. Terrific movie, full of energy, inventiveness, great 3D visuals and pure fun!
Statham by Projectedlight	Jun 24th, 2009 12:32:57 AM
Someone at ComingSoon who thought Ice Age 3 was 'entertaining' but seemed generally unfazed thought that Avatar was mind blowing and the 3D was the real deal.
ㅡMan I need to see some footage of this now by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 12:34:37 AM
real bad. Please let this save us from all the crap we are enduring this Summer. I ve pretty much liked everything Ive seen so far (sad how jaded and cynical so many have become imho..) and this really could be the great genre movie we have been waiting for since the first Matrix imho...
Everyone that is seeing something of this film by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 12:36:28 AM
is coming away impressed, even many people that work in the industry. Its starting to look like this may just be the real deal....
no doubt this will be amazing... by Spice-Orange	Jun 24th, 2009 12:38:01 AM
but the whole "man turns into... gets into... an alien thingy and becomes an alien and has a change of heart.." idea sounds really, really, really stupid. clunky and uninspired. why does he have to become an alien to understand their world? that's such a xenophobic idea. like saying "you wouldn't understand the life of the black man, you have to be black to understand it, whitey" why cant the space man have a change of heart because he has a heart in the first place and realizes "omgz, these aliens is neat! lets hold hands!" I hope this is... like a reverse Transformers. a property that is really stupid, but is amazing on screen when done right. unlike transformers. a really cool property that is a slo mo train wreck when done wrong.
Is Arnold Schwarzenegger in it ? by theplant	Jun 24th, 2009 12:46:04 AM
Who would be stupid enough to make a James Cameron film without Arnold ?
theplant by Projectedlight	Jun 24th, 2009 12:49:15 AM
Yeah, Arnold was great in The Abyss, Titanic and Aliens
just another over hyped film by DanboJohnJ	Jun 24th, 2009 12:52:32 AM
smells like phantom menace still....
Arnold was in titanic by ironic_name	Jun 24th, 2009 12:53:34 AM
"ice to meet you!" [throws iceberg at ship.]
"Avatar's eyeball fuckery is as inevitable as the tides." by Kief_Ledger	Jun 24th, 2009 12:56:46 AM
Thank you Turdontherun, for my favorite Talkback line ever
Projected light by theplant	Jun 24th, 2009 01:04:38 AM
Arnold needs to be in this one. He was in every two movies Cameron made, and last movie was Titanic which was Arnold free.
BATTLE ANGEL ALITA by Jesiah	Jun 24th, 2009 01:20:52 AM
I'd bust out the eye vaseline for that. Sam Worthington is coo', so until I see him in this, Battle Angel Alita is more interesting.
why Camryn chose Amsterdam by Jesiah	Jun 24th, 2009 01:24:46 AM
Cuz unless you're a nerd you gotta be high to give two flips about this movie. And I'm speaking as a nerd because I've shown this and other articles to people who aren't film dorks, and only when they're under the influence of something do they remotely care. A trailer would make the masses care.
Last time. by gotilk	Jun 24th, 2009 01:33:55 AM
Seeing in three dimensions is NOT a gimmick. It's the way your eyes SEE the fucking WORLD around you. You know, like color. Or are there a large number of single-eyed talkbackers? Nah, it's their brains that are single dimensional.
This movie needs be good by theplant	Jun 24th, 2009 01:38:41 AM
So that Harry can post how much he hates it just because Cameron shaved his beard and he doesn't look anymore like T2 era Cameron.
A V A T A R - FUCKING YOUR EYEBALLS IN 2009! by Motoko Kusanagi	Jun 24th, 2009 01:50:04 AM
Fuck yeah! Those production art images look fantastic! Believe the hype, my fellow AICNers. This is going to be MASSIVE TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
Have you guys ever thought... by thatdudefromcali	Jun 24th, 2009 01:51:33 AM
That we ourselves hype movies waaay too much, and then crap on them for not meeting our expectations? Hamburger.
My eyeballs just got oral sex from the pics by estacado1	Jun 24th, 2009 02:14:47 AM
They are surely going to get fucked real good when the movie comes out.
It's ridiculous beyond imagining when by Subtitles_Off	Jun 24th, 2009 02:15:36 AM
people write about Cameron as if he's more than just a competent director of populist fluff. I can think of great directing achievments: Herzog's "Fitzcarraldo," Huston's "African Queen," Hitchcock's "Strangers On a Train," Lang's "M.," Spielberg's "Jaws," Coppola's "Godfather," and Cameron's best - "Aliens" - can't compare to the least of those. And no one will ever approach the catalog of Kurosawa. Don't even argue. MASSIVE TOTAL DESTRUCTION, my hype weary ass.
subtitles off.....most of us write about him as by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 02:21:48 AM
a great sci-fi action director. Im really not sure how the hell you can compare directors that made films in completely different genres and in completely different eras, but please let me know when the great sci-fi action films those guys made show up will you?....
and for many people Aliens is right there with by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 02:23:25 AM
Jaws as a classic modern blockbuster, both the very definition of how to make great Summer blockbusters imho...
Transformers fucked my eyeballs by stemjsim	Jun 24th, 2009 02:25:57 AM
Avatar gets sloppy seconds
CGI on this movie will look dated in 10 years by Ditko	Jun 24th, 2009 02:27:16 AM
no matter what. Still, can´t wait to see it.
This is one annoying cock tease by alucardvsdracula	Jun 24th, 2009 02:28:20 AM
I can't ever remember a movie shrouded in so much secrecy before, not to mention NO FUCKING TRAILER, TEASER, WHATEVER!!!!! This had better be the fucking business else I'm burning my copy of the Titanic Soundtrack.
Keeping my expectations on average. Dont want to overhype it. by Se7en	Jun 24th, 2009 02:32:07 AM
Must... try... not.. to be too... excited.. arghh..
Here we go by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 24th, 2009 02:37:12 AM
JJ Abrams, Michael Bay, Stephen Sommers, Brett Ratner, McG, Kurtzman & Orci...goodbye, you are all finished.
That production art is really beautiful by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 24th, 2009 02:59:17 AM
The image of the ship above Pandora looks real...
Melvin Pelvis!! by Harold-Sherbort	Jun 24th, 2009 03:13:39 AM
I fuckin loved Xavier!! One of the most whacked out shows to ever grace the tube.
In Iron Jim we trust... by KillaKane	Jun 24th, 2009 03:20:11 AM
...this is going to be off the hook, hoping Avatar is going to make the kind of trailblazing impact that industry rumor suggests. Go Jim!
Could it be…. by MorganLeafy	Jun 24th, 2009 03:25:05 AM
subtitles off and CharlesThomasMathews1978’s comments would almost make me believe that there are talkbackers on this site who actually like good movies. Sure Avatar will be great but one clever line, one well-written character is worth 10 Avatars.
Looks gay. by HarryBlackPotter	Jun 24th, 2009 03:27:27 AM
And leave my fucking eyeballs alone.
Rob Zombie to direct Avatar reboot in 2011 by thound007	Jun 24th, 2009 03:27:31 AM
Rumor is Sherri will play all roles via CGI and the action will take place on a planet made entirely of trailer parks
It won't be out this year. by Ash Talon	Jun 24th, 2009 03:28:03 AM
They're still shooting parts. They're also redoing scenes that they shot years ago. Its budget is over $300 million for a number of reasons. And is still growing. Don't believe the retractions. They're spin control. It won't be out this year. All from multiple trusted sources.
lubin the deals by TheExterminator	Jun 24th, 2009 03:28:22 AM

MorganLeafy by Projectedlight	Jun 24th, 2009 03:33:53 AM
I'm kind of sick of everybody saying "yeah, but what about the story and characters!!!" to everything. I agree, real depth to a narrative is an amazing quality, and a film with that trumps every one of the blockbusters this summer combined. But you know, a totally incredible aesthetic achievement is something to be celebrated as well, and can be just as important and have just as much of an impact on a viewer. I kind of think we've been taught to distrust style these days. Look, if this is pulled off the way people have described it, it will be amazing...a LANDMARK. This isn't just Transforminators or GI JOE with CG thrown everywhere for 'visual impact', we're talking about a potentially astoundingly realized world, with a beautiful artstyle that you can sink into. Surely, SURELY that's worth something. Film is a visual medium, yet we almost never see amazing visuals in mainstream productions. Finally we're potentially getting them and everyone writes them off and says, "Naw man, it shouldn't have been done because you can make a great film without much money on the strength of having great characters." The last point is true, but...are you people serious!?
Motoko Kusanagi PLANT! PLANT! by HarryBlackPotter	Jun 24th, 2009 03:34:11 AM
Fucking plant whore scum! All you ever say is how this movie will fuck your eyes out. Well fuck your mommas ass you prick!
Ash Talon by Projectedlight	Jun 24th, 2009 03:36:28 AM
If you're telling the truth, have you heard when it should really be released?
Poor CineExpo visitors... by DarthBakpao	Jun 24th, 2009 03:36:31 AM
they came out of the expo sight impaired
Avatar will change the movie industry forever by SunTzu77	Jun 24th, 2009 03:41:42 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.
I guess no more expensive sets, green screens, and overpaid acto by DarthBakpao	Jun 24th, 2009 03:49:00 AM

actors by DarthBakpao	Jun 24th, 2009 03:51:27 AM

Sky Captain just needed earthier characters by Dingbatty	Jun 24th, 2009 03:51:42 AM
a la Firefly/Serenity, to play in that visual concrete garden of delights.
Projectedlight by MorganLeafy	Jun 24th, 2009 03:54:15 AM
You make a good point. It is kind of unfair of me to complain about Avatar because I enjoy a nice visual spectacle as much as everyone else. But like you said, the inevitable success of Avatar will spawn yet another series of sub-standard blockbusters (do I need to bring up TF2) that only do rely on CGI. I’m just saying is the scale is tipped a little bit too much to one side these days. In an ideal world, there would only be 1 or 2 Avatar-type blockbusters coming out and that would be it.
Sky Captain just needed a good plot and characters by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 24th, 2009 04:04:40 AM
cause wow, that movie was shit.
MorganLeafy by Projectedlight	Jun 24th, 2009 04:04:46 AM
Exactly. These are extremely expensive productions. They definitely have their place, but we should only see a few made, of a very high standard and that potentially really give us something new. The rest of the big studio money that normally gets wasted on typical typical blockbuster crap could instead be spent on getting A LOT of fantastic scripts and concepts to the screen. As you say, this ideal scenario would only ever play out in an ideal world. Meanwhile the assault on intelligence and culture continues.
Well, HarryBlackPotter... by Motoko Kusanagi	Jun 24th, 2009 04:12:18 AM
I am most definitely a James Cameron plant. A green one.
Ash Talon by Toonol	Jun 24th, 2009 04:14:00 AM
Don't take this wrong, but YOU'RE not a trusted source. Not saying you're wrong, just saying we don't know you from Adam.
Ditko... by Toonol	Jun 24th, 2009 04:16:58 AM
It may be dated, but maybe not. CGI stuff from two years ago looks like crap, but I think that's because the directors have such terrible eyes. The CGI in T2 looks better than some CGI in movies made a decade later. I remember reading Cameron in an interview a year or two talking about the CGI guys, and how they were incredible brains, but didn't possess the ability to look at a scene and tell that it just wasn't right.
2d, 3d, any D by johnnylawless2	Jun 24th, 2009 04:25:36 AM
I just wish the 4th dimension would hurry up and move along to December..
I'm glad Sigourney is in this by Mr Gorilla	Jun 24th, 2009 04:41:00 AM
When her and Cameron teamed up, they fucking shifted the paradigm of what you saw women do in the movies. Extraordinary. (Even though Cameron seemed to try to shift the paradigm back 10 years in the repulsive TRUE LIES, his only flat-out bad movie, but one that really scares me as it shows how 'wrong' he can go.) Anyway, this is all exciting.
Toonol...agree dude, look at T2, JP or FOTR by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 04:41:01 AM
all of their cgi is stil damn good and has all stood the test of time, like any effects there are simply different levels of quality to cgi. Bad model, make up or animatronics also ages badly...
and Cameron's exacting standards plus Weta by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 04:43:25 AM
??..dude Im willing to bet the cgi will hold up just fine...
mrgorilla...hey dude, whats up? Why is TR by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 04:44:34 AM
repulsive? Personally I think its the best Bond movie that never was....
I expect the most believable, tangible alien world ever. by Mr Nicholas	Jun 24th, 2009 04:55:11 AM
Cannot wait for this.
Avatar will cure cancer, poverty, hunger, and crisis by theplant	Jun 24th, 2009 04:56:47 AM
Cameron is the king of the world
it will be a huge success by JohnRyder	Jun 24th, 2009 05:00:49 AM
december is a good spot if you have a good movie. Titanic, the Lotr movies. They made around 1000M because there is no competition in sight until march-april. 2012 will be out for a month by the time Avatar opens. Titanic opened with 20-30M but did not dropped for months.
Sky Captain was cheap by JohnRyder	Jun 24th, 2009 05:03:32 AM
but I liked it. By the way it did start the trend of bluescreen movies.
so Cameron closed Digital Domain and bowed to WETA? by BillboeFett	Jun 24th, 2009 05:19:03 AM
Sounds about right.
oh..and harryblackotter, if you think the stuff by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 05:20:27 AM
we ve seen (mech armour, weird alien creatures, futuristic gunships etc..) look gay, then you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes gay. Also kind of funny coming from someone that names themsleves after Harry Potter....
Has Spielberg finally admitted that Dolby > DTS? by BillboeFett	Jun 24th, 2009 05:20:29 AM
Of course not, but that's the type of humble pie Cameron ate when he asked WETA DIGITAL to do the fx for this and not Digital Domain (Cameron's own company).
And God said, "Let there be James Camerone." by DrunkyMcLush	Jun 24th, 2009 05:22:10 AM
And he looked at James and said, "Damn. What a badass."
After the Transformers Travesty, We need a real film. by ganymede3010	Jun 24th, 2009 05:51:00 AM
Enough with the fucking Bayhem. And bring on the skull fuck that is Avatar.
Stephen Lang..... by LegendaryPinkDot	Jun 24th, 2009 05:58:40 AM
Last time I saw him, I was a young teenager, and fell in love for some reason w/ the film "Band Of the Hand", w/ Leon & Fishburne Anyone remember this flick?
Motoko Kusanagi by HarryBlackPotter	Jun 24th, 2009 06:01:32 AM
if the film is eyeball fuckingly great it wont need you to keep going on and on and on...if youre not a plant then stop wanking over this film. If its great I'll see it without people telling me to lube my eyes
Sounds close to the scriptment by CharyouTree	Jun 24th, 2009 06:08:56 AM
with the viperdog attack scene, and a couple of other descriptions. Which is fine with me as I enjoyed the scriptment, bastard I'm in the Dam next week too, so close.
No One Is Talking About The 3D In Detail, In Terms Of Quality, O by Media Messiah	Jun 24th, 2009 06:21:33 AM
...the measure of it being groundbreaking, and in what way, in terms of these media reports???
Yeah, didn't think there would footage here by Geomancer21	Jun 24th, 2009 06:25:24 AM
Lots of people saying "Ooh" and "Aah" and nothing to show for it. Predictable. And no, production art doesn't count. It looks as good as any well done production art from any sci-fi/alien world themed production, be it movie, game, you name it. Some of those Atari 2600 games had some beautiful box art, but ofcourse you can imagine what the finished product looked like. They look great, yes, but all that matters is what ends up onscreen.
Still not impressed!! by genrefanboy	Jun 24th, 2009 06:26:43 AM
Cameron is a god but even God's can make crap. Cameron is not a gifted screenwriter at all and some of his dialogue is just as bad as Lucas. 3D for most is still a gimmick and having to wear a headset for over 2 hours is seriously uncomfortable. The budget on this is rumoured @ $350M what were they thinking as it would have to make over $800M just to break even. Everything shown and spoken about so far makes it sound like a big budget sci-fi art movie which if true means it has little mass market appeal beyond the 3D gimmick & directed by Cameron titlecard. Cameron shoud have made Battle Angel first instead.This could very well be the biggest flop of all time.
Drunky McLush - Who the fuck is "CameronE?" by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 24th, 2009 06:28:42 AM
And does he have the GUNS OF NAVARRONE?
SAG by Six Demon Bag	Jun 24th, 2009 06:30:17 AM
look hot! looking damn hot!
Mr Gorilla by The_Skook	Jun 24th, 2009 06:31:28 AM
You are SO right. Ripley was one of the best things that happened to the way women are presented in movies, although Cameron can't claim that as all his work. Ridley Scott had much to do with it. Alien: a movie where the lead is a woman, doesn't talk about 'a man', is independant and kills the monster. No frigging prince charming. I'm so glad things have moved forward since 1979! Sigh...
The only Cameron movie I'm meh about is TRUE LIES by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 24th, 2009 06:32:18 AM
But I think I own every other movie he has made on DVD.
ZombieHeathLedger by Nice Marmot	Jun 24th, 2009 07:10:36 AM
Including Pirahna II: The Spawning? Its better than True Lies.
Yo haters,u ignorant,childish,haters by ominus	Jun 24th, 2009 07:14:45 AM
where r u now? whats your opinion on these news? well? i cant hear u. ah u have crawled under your rocks to hide from your embarrassment. its ok,dont feel like that.its not the first time,and definitely not the last,where u misjudge something,mostly because of your pure hate.its ok,its called human nature. anyway,one last reminder: AVATAR December 2009.It will rip your eyes,and fuck your empty eyesockets.cheerio.
Maybe I was wrong! by GForce05	Jun 24th, 2009 07:38:21 AM
After seeing the video game stills I was expecting Avatar to be a steaming pile of Cameron's Titanic inflated ego... But these stills are changing my mind. I will still be pissed if I see ferns and red woods on planet Pandora (I mean, if they MUST have Earth inspired flora, can they at least given them exotic looking leaves? The pictures I've seen look like normal Earth ferns) But anyway, I'm beginning to think that this might be one sexy ass movie afterall.
Good to See by Cobbio	Jun 24th, 2009 07:44:57 AM
I'm keeping my praise of Cameron in check, but this is good news. VERY good news.
I'VE GOT BLUE eyeBALLS by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 24th, 2009 07:46:30 AM
If you know what I mean.
Nice Marmot re: PIRAHNA by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 24th, 2009 07:48:08 AM
LOL, no, I don't have PIRAHNA 2: THE SPAWNING, I stand corrected. (I've seen it but don't own it.) But at least we agree on where TRUE LIES falls, lol.
I remember many of you TB'rs said LOTR will flop. by quamb	Jun 24th, 2009 07:53:38 AM
So much for that! Let's hope your wisdom rings false for Avatar as well.
Pocahontas??? NOOOOOOOOOOOO by Big_Daddy_Nero	Jun 24th, 2009 07:53:56 AM
Remember how good the first half of WALLE was? Remember how you turn the DVD off now once the second half starts? Sure it LOOKED good, but it was an insult to anyone who has ever felt anything other than shame at being a human being. Now imagine a whole spectacular 300+million movie that is everything that insulted you and condescended to you in that movie, but magnify it to about 10X. Do I want* this movie to be great? Of course I do. JC has been away for far too long. But if this thing turns out to be just another Pocahontas-wannabe enviro-wacko diatribe about how, once again, America is the big bad evil enemy of all things green and sweet and nice and pretty, then yes it WILL change movies forever, it will be the final undeniable proof that people just don't WANT to see shit like that. That said, I hope that this movie does NOT play out like that, and that it is in fact the 'next big thing'. Here's hoping. ps, oh yeah, what do we get if Sky Captain is not any good (it wasn't)? We get Mutant Chronicles. (Don't lie, you know you watched it. The whole thing. I did, for free on HDNet, the only thing it cost me was a couple hours of my life and a small part of my brain that actually committed suicide during it).
Cameron better show this at CC by ToughGuyRizzo	Jun 24th, 2009 08:16:22 AM
That would fuckin rock. Unless of course, its on the same day as the LOST panel....cause I aint waiting half the day on lines.
Big_Daddy_Nero by Nice Marmot	Jun 24th, 2009 08:18:11 AM
If you were insulted by the 2nd half of Wall*E, then everyone will assume you are a lazy, gelatinous waste of space.
Agreed....Wall-e was awsome imho....Pixar by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 08:34:16 AM
can do no wrong...
SDB...hey dude, whats up? have nt seen you by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 08:35:39 AM
around much. How are things? Yeah its all looking damn good. I keep waiting to be dissapointed, but so far everything im seeing is just so damn cool....
Dont get the hate for True Lies, I will admit its by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 08:40:19 AM
no-where near Cameron's best, but its a best Bond film that isnt a Bond film imho. There are damn good action scenes (bathroom shootout, horse chase, Harrier Jet sequence), some really funny humour (Tom Arnold is actually funny for fucks sake, and how can you not love Paxton's sleazeball carsalesman?), and Jamie Lee in her underwear! Its also turned out to be fairly influential (mr and mrs smith and MI3 copy quite a lot from it just off the top of my head). Maybe some dont like it because its so tounge in cheek and certainly does nt take itself seriously.....
BTW....when is the Comic Con? Just by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 08:41:40 AM
want to know when we may be able to finally expect to see some footage...
Sky Captain by jarjarmessiah	Jun 24th, 2009 08:51:29 AM
It''s funny how everyone loves it, yet the Spirit was made the same way and they hate it. In fact, they both sucked. The short film on the Sky Captain DVD was actually better than the full length movie.
COMIC CON JULY 23 - 26TH by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 24th, 2009 08:53:27 AM

sag--true lies is cameron's "goof" by Six Demon Bag	Jun 24th, 2009 09:01:09 AM
that was him at his excess and having a good time...showed that he can make an action comedy..great stuff
Sky Captain sucked less than The Spirit by turketron_2	Jun 24th, 2009 09:12:18 AM
The Spirit = One of the worst movies with a big budget that I've ever seen. FUCK THAT MOVIE IN IT'S EAR.
Whether good or bad Avatar IS Cameron's TPM by performingmonkey	Jun 24th, 2009 09:16:20 AM
Lucas saw what Spielberg and ILM had done with Jurassic Park and realised he could then make TPM. Cameron saw what Peter Jackson and WETA Digital did with LOTR (The Two Towers particularly, with Gollum and the Helm's Deep battle) and knew he could make Avatar. HUGE amounts of money. Tech over story. This IS TPM 10 years on, there's no getting away from that fact, HOWEVER Cameron > Lucas and we must never forget that.
Cameron isnt Lucas by ominus	Jun 24th, 2009 09:19:32 AM
he is a better artist,than lucas used to be.so no its not going to be his TPM.not at all.
And dont forget True Lies had Nick Fury in it by ominus	Jun 24th, 2009 09:24:51 AM
played by mr Charles Heston himself. its a pity we cant have him in the upcoming marvel movie,instead we get the watered down ultimated version played by the boring samuel jackson.crap.
Ominus...agree dude, Cameron is no Lucas by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 09:26:40 AM
when you see the recent interviews with him he does nt come across as delusional like Lucas has for years. Also, Cameron has never gone back and altered his old films ala Lucas (even though he could if he wanted to), and he doesnt keep re-releasing all his movies, each time with new changes. And btw lets remember that Avatar was written in 1995 originally, years before LOTR. Im really not sure how you know this will be his TPM as a FACT, do you have a time machine and you have traveled to the future and seen the critical and commercial response to Avatar?
Because if the answer is no then its merely by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 09:28:03 AM
your opinion, which are most entitled to as is anyone, but please dont insult anyones intelligence by passing said opinion off as actual hard fact....
SDB....totally agree dude, its a goof, a true by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 09:30:35 AM
action screwball comedy. I really dont believe its meant to be taken seriously in any way, its just meant to be fun and be a homage to Bond (Cameron always wanted to make a Bond film but the producers would nt let him..)
That's Great News! by fassbinder79	Jun 24th, 2009 09:30:59 AM
I was really rooting for Cameron with Avatar.
performingmonkey by Kief_Ledger	Jun 24th, 2009 09:42:18 AM
The only issue I have with your post is that Cameron has worked with groundbreaking (at the time) technology before. Both The Abyss and T2 were tech marvels, but Cameron still had the good sense to have a strong story that was aided by the special effects, not written for them. That's why Cameron continues to show hacks like Bay and McG that he is a god amongst retards.
Mr Gorilla by Ace of Wands	Jun 24th, 2009 10:00:04 AM
can you explain exactly why you think that with True Lies Cameron shifted back by 10 years what women can do in movies?. I'm pretty sure that I don't agree with you one bit but wouldn't mind hearing your reasoning before dismissing it.
performingmonkey by Ace of Wands	Jun 24th, 2009 10:11:38 AM
you're missing the point regarding Cameron. Kief_Ledger has hit it on the head; this is Cameron, not Lucas or any other possible wannabe and Cameron does not sacrifice story or character on the altar of CGI or any other type of special effect. He uses those effects only where they enhance the story that he is telling, they are part of his artists palette, just as much as cimematography, editing, scoring, art design and so on. All those things are there for one simple reason; to aid Cameron in telling the best story that he can. He is fully aware of character and honours it above all and that is what makes his action scenes so satisfying; they are more compelling because he has invested time in story and made the viewer care about what happens to his protagonists. That has been a truism for all his films to this point so it isn't something that concerns me with Avatar. This film will be groundbreaking, I'm sure, but it won't have thrown out characterisation for the sake of a CGI Beauty Pass.
Eyeball surgery will be required prior to seeing this film. by Clavius	Jun 24th, 2009 10:15:37 AM
At the entrance to each theater showing AVATAR, there will be a lasik-style clinic set up to adjust everyones eyeballs so that they will be able to properly receive the images being streamed into them. Without this surgery, the brain simply would not be able to process the information streaming through the eyeballs and it would all merely be interpreted as static or noise within the brain. Such is the advanced imagery we are about to behold. Mankind cannot comprehend what it is about to see as yet, that's why we all must be altered surgically in order to appreciate it. They will also be passing out towels and eyedrops after the film so you can get the Avatar cum out of your eyeballs, because they will of course, have been vigorously fucked by that point.
Why Amsterdam? by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 24th, 2009 10:19:40 AM
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Why Amsterdam you ask? by Clavius	Jun 24th, 2009 10:22:32 AM
Because everyone's pupils will be properly dialated in order to be able to process the massive amounts of awe being poured into them. Eyeball surgery or dangerous amounts of weed will be required to appreciate this film properly. (See above post)
Every scene described has some tired cliche in it. by I Hope You Die	Jun 24th, 2009 10:35:30 AM
He thinks he scared the animal away but it was really a bigger animal behind him! He's the chosen one! You have to respect the animal before you can ride it! That's not promising.
JarJar and SKY CAPTAIN by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 24th, 2009 10:36:44 AM
Dude, I dont' get your argument at all. SPIRIT wasn't bad because of how it was shot. And since when is just because something is shot the same way that means they are equal? SPIN CITY and 300 were both shot the same way as SKY CAPTAIN and they are both better than THE SPIRT, too.
HEY by louisse	Jun 24th, 2009 10:40:30 AM
This is probably the best news I've read on here for a while. the very first footage of avatar, and it's looking pretty fucking good! I also don't get why I didn't know anything about this being shown at Amsterdam, could have gone there easily. Still wouldn't get in tho
It looks like a fucking cartoon by Sithdan	Jun 24th, 2009 10:42:38 AM
Talk about CGI diarrhea. Don't go blaming the great George Lucas for injecting loads of special effects in his films anymore.
by Cobra--Kai	Jun 24th, 2009 11:15:58 AM
southafricanguy practices monogamy. To AVATAR talkbacks.
ZombieHeathLedger by Shaner Jedi	Jun 24th, 2009 11:19:11 AM
I agree with you that True Lies is his only "just okay" movie. BTW, I'm sure ILM and WETA are working their butts off to have the finished product amaze. And for those bitching about the story: It's a classic theme. There's a reason those storylines are still around: they resonate. Great to have Cameron back.
Idiots... by LightninBolt	Jun 24th, 2009 11:44:47 AM
Saying it might not be decent.. utter idiots. And WHO CARES if Fox don't make their money back??? They will in bucketloads though, are you kidding? Say something interesting for Cameron's sake!!
Southafrican Guy by LightninBolt	Jun 24th, 2009 11:47:33 AM
I love your AVATAR love, general positivity etc, but can you stick to like one posting every 20 or something? It's really boring and weird reading 5 posts in a row from one person all the time, it makes you look mental. You don't have to, just a suggestion...
Whats the best drug to watch AVATAR on? by standundermyumbrella	Jun 24th, 2009 11:55:54 AM
E POT COKE ACID POPPERS KETAMINE
mORE GASPS FROM aMSTERDAM by standundermyumbrella	Jun 24th, 2009 12:03:37 PM
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/ 2009/06/avatar-scenes-shown-at -cinema-ex po.html . @michaelstat: just spend 15min with cameron. And i promise u if i tell u what i saw, it wont do it justice. And im not beep u . @NafRas: OMG keep this in mind James Cameron's AVATAR this Dec. it's gonna rock the way u see movies! Preview @ cinema expo leaves me wanting more . @dt4storms: Still in awe of meeting James Cameron... Avatar will change movie industry forever.. thank you Jim . @sperling: It's official! The footage from "Avatar" shown at Cine Expo was amazing. Absolutely stunning in 3D. Should be a huge hit. @UCSNord: "Avatar" footage at #cinexpo: CGI was photorealistic, characters look really real. Believe the hype, this movie will be massive! . @UCSNord: Footage from "Avatar" at #cinexpo was stunning, literally jawdropping. Amazing visuals unlike any before seen, with incredible detail. ; @gjkooijman: saw 40 minutes of James Cameron's Avatar footage at the Cinema Expo tonight. THIS WILL CHANGE MOVIES FOREVER. Trust me, it will. Photorealistic, characters look really real, incredible detail...damn!
It already has changed the industry by dirtsandwich	Jun 24th, 2009 12:09:16 PM
Many directors JC invited have jumped on board using JC's techniques. You won't see their movies for a while. Oh sorry Michael Gay, you weren't invited because you said that your style of camera work is to aggressive for 3D, and that 3D is a gimmick. Go back to your love of Transexualformers that is currently at 20% on Rotton Tomatoes and dropping. You might want to consider a good story before you pop the fucking lens cap off.
I hope this isn't as shitty as The Abyss by veebeeyes	Jun 24th, 2009 12:14:46 PM
Man, that movie sucked.
standundermyumbrella by Bastard_In_A_Blanket	Jun 24th, 2009 12:16:26 PM
I'll be taking MDMA the fourth or fifth time I'll be seeing AVATAR on IMAX. :)
I can honestly say... by Bastard_In_A_Blanket	Jun 24th, 2009 12:24:06 PM
... no one wants to see this film more than me. I've even had dreams about it... about a film I haven't even seen a still from. I've never anticipated anything like this!! This is going to be the greatest movie of all time.
5 people died from shock after the screening. by Orionsangels	Jun 24th, 2009 12:31:20 PM

The AByss is a fucking masterpiece! by standundermyumbrella	Jun 24th, 2009 12:32:12 PM
Get the fuck out of here veebeeyes
is this a reboot? no? ok, is this an... by jackknifed_juggernaut	Jun 24th, 2009 12:46:33 PM
adaptation? it isn't, you say? alright, well does it contain two jive-talking Sambots? Power Ranger suits? Tween leads pandering to the MTV/Disney crowd? um, that would be a 'fuck no.' so why the hostility? i think we should instead be thankful that something original is coming out of Hollywood in this day and age. better enjoy the shit while you can, folks... we won't be getting much more like this.
Mark me down as Underwealmed. by cookylamoo	Jun 24th, 2009 12:52:49 PM

Michael Bay and McG are shitting in their pants right now! by Evangelion217	Jun 24th, 2009 01:02:00 PM
LMAO!
Stop jerking potentially interested parties around by JT Kirk	Jun 24th, 2009 01:26:26 PM
James Cameron needs to learn how to fucking market this sort of thing again. Either shit or get off the pot, but this halfassed ramp-up has led to more confusion than elation. You have a world of sci-fi fans and general fanboys who would love to gush about all they've seen, but all they've seen so far has been JAMES CAMERON TALKING ABOUT THE FILM IN GENERIC TERMS!!! If you don't want to show anything in advance, don't bother talking about it until you're ready to make a competent attempt to create an underground growing interest.
Cameron is going to save Action Cinema by ganymede3010	Jun 24th, 2009 01:40:03 PM
And assrape Michael Bay into obscurity.
JT Kirk by Ace of Wands	Jun 24th, 2009 01:44:51 PM
actually, all I need to know is that Cameron is back in the feature film business. That's all the marketing I require. If you need to be spoon fed your cinematic "carrots and peas" like a baby then that's the age that you are at.
Holy MANCATS! by YackBacker	Jun 24th, 2009 02:11:01 PM
Mancats in outta space Makin friends wit da human race Mancats don't wear hats Mancats don't keep stats They just do the best they can do!
Avatar cured my blindness! by Sithdan	Jun 24th, 2009 02:12:15 PM
And made me walk again!!!!
I'm fucking excited! by Johnno	Jun 24th, 2009 02:23:08 PM
I'm going to reserve tickets for this day 1 in IMAX. I'm going by myself if I have to, don't want to miss it because of other people who can't make up their fucking minds are getting in my way.
Re: Clavius by Cobbio	Jun 24th, 2009 03:00:38 PM
Your eyeball preparedness suggestions are most true! I myself will be getting lasik-style surgery at the theater before entering. Hopefully my brain doesn't shut down.
CGI in movies... by YeahSureWhatever	Jun 24th, 2009 03:11:30 PM
Goes way back prior to Young Sherlock Holmes.
gotilk: about 3D being a gimmick... by jeffv	Jun 24th, 2009 03:40:29 PM
Colour and sound didn't give lots of people headaches. The problem with these 3D-glasses movies is that it's not a lot better than the red-blue glasses of old. There's more to 3D vision than stereoscopic separation. So it's not how people see the world. There's a noteworthy portion of the population (myself included) where the effect rarely works. Focus depth is missing. All I see is a darker picture with a fuzzy ghost image and the occasional pop-out, with headaches afterwards. Plus the glasses I got last time were scratched or dirty or something. Crystal-clear digital picture viewed through dark, smudged glasses with limited peripheral vision (which is bad for big screens)? Kinda self-defeating. I'd rather 2D over that.
Computer Generated Imagery in movies by skimn	Jun 24th, 2009 04:38:14 PM
began, I believe, with the late Michael Crichton's Westworld, with the POV shots of the Yul Brenner robot character.
The doubters are funny by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 24th, 2009 04:44:04 PM

Why? by ddschneider1972	Jun 24th, 2009 05:27:25 PM
Am I the only self described movie geek that doesn't care one bit right now about Avatar?
If you can't see 3D, then watch the 2D version by Johnno	Jun 24th, 2009 05:28:03 PM
You have that option! You'll probably find it easier to get tickets too! The rest of us will enjoy the 3D. Someday they'll make it such that you don't need glasses, this is already being worked on and we're nearly there. I'd give it about 20 years. Anyway 3D is great, if it's a gimmick, it's a gimmick that works well and makes it a better experience! If I have the option to watch the movie in 3D, then I will!
How exciting can you possibly get?! by venvariants	Jun 24th, 2009 06:23:35 PM
A 3D James Cameron movie with wacked-out eye-candy in every frame?! I cannot wait for this picture - long, long overdue!!
That 1st Still is Gorgeous by crazybubba	Jun 24th, 2009 06:25:22 PM
crossing fingers
one more hour with this boner and... by 35MinutesAgo	Jun 24th, 2009 06:25:33 PM
i'm gonna have to seek immediate medical attention where's revenge of the fallen when you need it?
Cobrakai....hey dude, lol. Yeah i guess I do by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 06:28:38 PM
mostly just post on the Avatar talkbacks, but can you really blame me? I just cant get myself interested enough to post in most of the other talkbacks, or there is so much shit being flinged back and forth in the Transformers talkbacks its just not worth wading into.
lightninbolt.....lol, fair enough dude, but I think by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 06:30:29 PM
I can get away with it as I take relativly long breaks inbetween those multiple posts, and in my defence, Im useally responding to different people. Hence the multiple posts....
Geez...is dioxholster still pimping Stargate? by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 06:33:25 PM
Does he realize that almost no-one gives a shit about that movie or the tv show? Im really hapy for him that he has a tv show he enjoys so much, but does he really need to pop up in almost every fucking talkback to pimp it and his fantasy of Michael Bay directing a Stargate movie?
SAG by Six Demon Bag	Jun 24th, 2009 07:24:45 PM
watch out in the TF TBs..they're scorchers. im really upset about it cause i kinda promised my kid we would go, but now that ALL the reviews are out..i dont want to. my old body cant be assaulted for app. 3 hours without something resembling a plot... i mean have we learned nothing? i wasnt a fan of the first one, but admit it plays better on TV in the background. geez... help me obi wan cameron, you're our only hope.
SDB....hey dude. Yeah I hear Ya, you may by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 08:09:17 PM
have to sit through it for your kid. You have my sympathy for what its worth lol. Learned anything? Dude, we are talking about Bay here. Lets please try to keep some perspective shall we? It looks like we will have to look to Mann (public enemies), Jonz (where the wild things are), and of course Cameron (Avatar) to save the year for us (I may be forgetting some other cool end of the year things). Kinda depressing that there has only been Up and Trek so far....
Prepare the Eye-Lube... by TylerDurden3395	Jun 24th, 2009 08:19:49 PM

Avatar Mecha Pics by BubbaDestructo	Jun 24th, 2009 08:39:22 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5276750/ You can enlarge each image. Classic Cameron tech design. Love it.
Fuck Comic-Con by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead	Jun 24th, 2009 08:47:54 PM
I hope he holds it. That would be the shit if he previewed the 24 minutes and then just vanished for a few months. Let the legend build Why does anyone doubt Cameron? Why are people doubting his ability to make a profit due to this movie's budget. UH????? History lesson anyone? I think Big Jim had been down this road once or ten times, and his movies usually do pretty well at the box office. Why should money be the barometer for success for us anyway? We're fans!! We're not the fucking suits who sit in their ivory towers built with the flesh blood of remakes and sequels that turn a small profit. "Just remake twenty movies and they'll all turn a small profit and we'll make a killing with volume." "Oh yeah, by the way, what the fuck is Cameron doing, have you seen his budget?" Jim, you're the fucking king, you know you're the fucking king which means you're probably not reasing this because you know you're the fucking king. Jim, please hold your cards close to the chest on this one, don't even tease us, don;t even fucking acknowledge us! A month or two before the movie hits, give us our trailer but nothing more. Fuck us, Jim, we won;t appreciate it anyway. When the time comes though, bring it mother fucker, skull fuck with you fucking king-ness!
My eyes are slightly aroused by walrusholder	Jun 24th, 2009 09:08:38 PM

I still don't get thrilled by the story by Redmond	Jun 24th, 2009 09:31:11 PM
Is this going to be all about technology? The designs shown so far seem to resemble that Frank Frazetta -type art, and the story feels like one big 'meh'. Dont get me wrong, I'm jazzed to see anything JC does, but I hope this isn't all about how cool the 3D is.
Just wait till you see Avatar 2: Bioelectric Boogaloo!!! by Johnno	Jun 24th, 2009 09:53:45 PM
With Hulk Hogan as the Naa'vi baddie! "But can James Cameron's CG trickery paint with all the colours of the wind... BROTHER?!!"
Pretty pictures. by imagin78	Jun 24th, 2009 10:46:27 PM
I will keep staring at these gorgeous pictures until I wipe out the existence of Transformers 2 from my mind. December 18th can't get here soon enough.
bubbadestructo.....so there with you dude, by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 11:43:27 PM
its one of the many reasons Camerons films age so well imho. The great tech design....
Imagin78...hey dude, whats up? Have you by southafricanguy	Jun 24th, 2009 11:44:41 PM
TF2? Would like a review if you would care to give one, I have been debating wether to go see it or not...
Not if you paid me. by imagin78	Jun 25th, 2009 12:03:39 AM
I am pretty much done with Bay. I watched the first Transformers in a state of pure numbness. I was hoping that maybe Spielberg might have some sort of positive influence on Bay. He did not. After reading all the reviews for the second one, including negative ones from people that liked the first one, I will have to pass on this. If I am going to see one dumb popcorn movie this year, it won't be this. It won't be G.I.Joe. It will probably be 2012 in November. I will see Public Enemies in July and Inglourious Basterds in August. After that, Where the Wild Things Are and Jackson's The Lovely Bones have my interest. Oh, and of course Big Jim's Avatar. Those are gorgeous pictures up above. I would love to go into the theater in December just seeing those pictures and nothing else. I might just quarantine myself from further Avatar spoilers. Oh, who am I kidding. I am a weak man.
Imagin78....Im just as weak dude, cant stay by southafricanguy	Jun 25th, 2009 12:08:41 AM
away from spoilers for Avatar. Sorry but I refuse to pay actual money to see a Roland Emmerich movie after 10,000 BC. That guy is nothing more than a modern day Irwen Allen. Agree about lovely bones and WTWTA. However im looking to Avatar to save the action/sci-fi/genre films for this year...
I have no idea what Avatar is... by Jaka	Jun 25th, 2009 12:23:09 AM
...the history I mean, the origin of the story. But I can assure you I'm convinced it's going to look good. Will it change the movie industry? Doubtful. It may create changes in the way some films, or parts of films are made, though. Cameron did it with The Abyss and T2. Lucas has done it uncountable times. Jackson and crew did it with the LOTR trilogy. It didn't ALWAYS make their own films better, either. But they did create new hardware/software that is now used all over the industry. The problem, in my mind, is that if the story and voice work aren't completely stellar that it will just come off like another geek boy wank off session. Pixar films rule the movie universe because the STORIES are great. So, if the story is great with Avatar I have no problem believing that it could be "epic" and industry EFFECTING. Still don't believe it will be industry changing.
Why is it that the last battle reminds me of PHANTOM MENACE? by SnatchVagina	Jun 25th, 2009 12:28:54 AM
I have a sinking feeling that we're going to see the equivalent of Gungans v. Droid army. '09 is the new '99, or haven't you heard?
Jaka.....Cameron wrote a scriptment for Avatar by southafricanguy	Jun 25th, 2009 12:58:16 AM
in 1995. The scriptment was basically a simplified version of the story with a lot of description of things and what happens, but not a lot of dialouge though. Basically it was a very detailed treatment (a precusor to a first draft script, similar to Cameron's spiderman scriptment). Anyway, after digtal domain did effects tests for it they realized that fx at that time werent even close to pulling it off. And if you read the old scriptment, which was circulating around on the web for a few years (i still have an old copy) then you will see that they were right. In fact based on said old scriptment and the description of things in there im still not sure they can pull it off fx wise. Apparantly Cameron dusted the old scriptment off about 4 years ago and took several months to write it. He wrote the shooting script with another writer named Laeta Kalogordis (who has been working on the Battle Angel Alita script for some timenow). She is widely considered to be a very talented writer, but unfortunatly her work has often been competely rewritten into crap, or butchered by producers/directors. This year however will see the first time that one of her scripts is made as it was written with Scorcece's Shutter Island, and then with Avatar, which as I said she has co-written with Cameron. Now, based on the old scriptment, the story was fairly straight forward (but you have to remember its just a scriptment), but there were many great ideas and really good potential for the story to be better developed upon rewriting. And based on a number of details that have emerged over time, there have clearly been many changes from the scriptment to the shooting script. Imho Cameron will have made sure the script was good first (hence I think one of the reason LK was brought in to write it with him)...
Snatchvagina...im really not sure why you are by southafricanguy	Jun 25th, 2009 01:00:55 AM
seeing that comparison dude. Have you read the old scriptment? Because the things that happen, and the style of action described (among many other things) bears little relation the final battle of TPM....
And the best picture nominees for 2010 will be: by standundermyumbrella	Jun 25th, 2009 01:08:54 AM
Amelia Avatar Invictus Nine Precious Public Enemies Shutter Island The Hurt Locker The Lovely Bones Up
Anybody wants to bet AVATAR will win FX oscar over TRANSFORMERS by standundermyumbrella	Jun 25th, 2009 01:10:58 AM
ANYBODY?
Standundermyumbrella...why would I want to by southafricanguy	Jun 25th, 2009 01:15:17 AM
throw money away dude? We both know Avatar will beat transformers to win the fx Oscar. not that it matters though as im sure Avatar will beat transformers in every category by which two fil can be compared to one another imho....
Avatar will be everything TF isn't and more. by ganymede3010	Jun 25th, 2009 01:22:54 AM
Avatar will sweep the effects awards this year. All the critics are going ga ga over it already.
Cameron on The Hour by BubbaDestructo	Jun 25th, 2009 01:29:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =pQpDD6w6KOs&feature=related Great interview for those who value this man's work - honest, self-derogatory class act.
southafricanguy, question RE: scriptment by NoHubris	Jun 25th, 2009 01:41:22 AM
Were the glowing seeds, super tall trees, bio-luminescent plants and "chosen one" plot in the script? Just curious?
Watching Avatar = Gibbering dorks wearing plastic glasses by JackRabbitSlim	Jun 25th, 2009 02:05:52 AM
And the truth shall set you free
Nohubris.....yes there were bio-luminescent by southafricanguy	Jun 25th, 2009 02:39:15 AM
plants (everything is at night) in the scriptment. Also the super tall trees. Certainly dont remember any glowing seeds, and there was no chosen one plot at all, quite the contrary, Jake does everything by choice and there are no phrophecies etc...It does nt seem like one has been added imho. What is described by those that saw the footage spoilers warning* it seems like the planet Pandora communicating with Jake. Pandora is actually a giant living organism (Gaia style). And every living creature and plant is an extension of it. I think Cameron knows that the whole messianic "chosen one" thing is really played out now (matrix, harry potter etc..) That was one of the things I liked the most about the scriptment was that there was none of that, and Jake is not seen, nor presented, as any kind of religious/saviour figure.
Needs more GIANT PIG by GIANT_PIG	Jun 25th, 2009 04:19:09 AM
GIANT PIG!!!
Mmmmmmmmm Tasty! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Jun 25th, 2009 06:24:56 AM
I want me some of that! And Sky Captain was fine Who who the fuck is the numpty that thinks Abyss is shite? Revoke his geek card now!
ddschneider1972 by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 25th, 2009 07:33:50 AM
Yes, you are.
southafricanguy by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 25th, 2009 07:35:07 AM
how goes it? scriptment sounds cool!
Anyone else get this feeling: by RogueWarrior65	Jun 25th, 2009 08:52:49 AM
That the Star Wars Prequels should have been done this way i.e. as pre-production artwork come to life?
by Furious	Jun 25th, 2009 11:24:59 AM
This is gonna be awesome, I envy those that live near IMAX's.
Thanks, southafricanguy by NoHubris	Jun 25th, 2009 01:19:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see if there is a new take on "the chosen one" thing since as you said, it has been played out for a long time.
Avatar Crew Letter by BubbaDestructo	Jun 25th, 2009 01:27:15 PM
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/ 2009/06/avatar-letter-from-cre wperson.html SAG, I thought you'd enjoy this perspective from one of the crew.
Cameron WILL deliver by Abdul_Alhazred	Jun 25th, 2009 02:31:58 PM
It might end up being on the lefty-preachy side, but I think this film is going to deliver big time. Cameron's no fool by any stretch. He's a certifiable bad ass and this will be a well thought out tight piece of science fiction.
The planet is a giant organism? by veebeeyes	Jun 25th, 2009 04:08:37 PM
That's some stupid, lame-ass shit right there. No fucking way would Cameron do that.
The planet is a giant organism? by veebeeyes	Jun 25th, 2009 04:11:00 PM
That's some stupid, lame-ass shit right there. No fucking way would Cameron do that.
It's true veebeeyes by JackBauer24	Jun 25th, 2009 04:47:21 PM
I've read it. The scriptment has this whole Gaia mother-earth worship thing going on really strong. It's the only part of the story that kinda grated with me - just seemed so damn preachy. The rest of it though is awesome.
veebees. jackbaur.....relax guys its not like by southafricanguy	Jun 25th, 2009 10:59:52 PM
planet talks or is sentinent as such, its just one giant interconnected eco-system that is alive, not really all that different from actual nature here on earth, just more sci-fi imho..
and i disagree about it being preachy as I think by southafricanguy	Jun 25th, 2009 11:03:45 PM
ita all in the execution guys. I recently re-watched the LOTR trilogy, and theres a very strong and obvious anti-industrial/anti-war and enviromental themes and messages in it. But it never comes across as preachy for a number of reasons. Imho I think Cameron will get his themes/message across in a similar fashion. Afterall look at T1 and T2, both have a very strong anti-nuclear war theme, and technophobe element, but its never to the disadvantage of either movie imho....
Reminds me of Final Fantasy VII. by veebeeyes	Jun 26th, 2009 12:23:43 AM
With all of that "you're stealing the planet's life-force" bullshit. Whatever, man. Anyway, I'm familiar with the notion. I hear people talk all the time about how we are "killing the planet", to which I tell them to go fuck themselves. You can't kill that which isn't alive. Planets aren't alive, nobody is killing any planet, and that kind of hyperbole pisses me off. When I throw shit in the ocean, is it too hard to be HONEST with me and tell me that I might end up killing some birds? Fuckers have to exagerrate everything, and now I'm "killing the planet" every time I throw a cigarette butt out of my car window. And people can fuck right off with that shit, because that makes me almost want to dump oil into the sea just to spite the assholes. That whole "killing the planet" bullshit has ALWAYS pissed me off, because it's just infantile shock tactics. It's a lot like the abortion debate, where people "prove their point" by showing pictures of dead bloody fetuses. It's condescending stupid bullshit that assumes that everyone is a fucking idiot, and that you change change the minds of idiots with mere shock tactics. What, now I'm not just littering, I'm "KILLING THE PLANET"? That's fucking stupid, and fuck anyone who tries to pull that shit on me. If someone doesn't respect me enough to be HONEST with me and discuss issues as if I'm not a total idiot, then they can go fuck right off. "The planet is a living organism, and we are killing the planet." Whatever, man. Am I five fucking years old? Do you really think I'm gonna buy that shit? But on the other hand, I DID give Final Fantasy VII a pass. Sure, it was retarded and way too preachy, but at least it was fun and I got to walk around killing stuff. Avatar may end up being just as retarded and preachy, but I may end up giving it a pass too, if it fucks my eyeballs hard enough.
veebees....dont worry dude, i hear ya and i by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 01:25:46 AM
have a lot of the same feelings, but Avatar is just as much about about colonialism, exploring an alien world and the future of the human race as it is about any enviromental message. Then scriptment does nt not talk down to anyone. Again think LOTR...
bubbadestructo.... by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 04:26:21 AM

thanks for the info dude by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 04:26:46 AM

I read it and that dude has got some very by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 04:27:10 AM

interesting things t.o say about Avatar by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 04:27:43 AM

especially found it intetesting that he mentions by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 04:28:18 AM

that there have been fairly big changes to by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 04:29:05 AM

THE OLD SCRIPTMENT. by southafricanguy	Jun 26th, 2009 04:29:32 AM

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