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Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN 2 looks... well, like it has looked for a while now...

I ask only one thing of Rob Zombie... by darthsynn	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:00:19 PM
stop putting your wife in every fucking movie you make!
Link didn't work for me by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:02:58 PM

AstroCreep 2000 was by ColonelFatheart	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:03:43 PM
the last good thing Rob Zombie made.
Ganondorf would love this post by whiskey_dick	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:03:50 PM
It contains a dead Link.
Indifference by A-COD	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:11:35 PM
It's not even worth watching. I'm just not going to bother. I saw part 8 in the theatre and I've seen part 6 nine times. Hopefully in a couple years someone will make Halloween fun again.
maybe by CherryValance	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:13:31 PM
Michael Myers killed the link because it was his..... fourth cousin twice removed. dun dun dun
Harry: Your favorite Rob Zombie film? by digital8	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:13:37 PM
Tell us.
Geez Harry. Whats with expectations. by lochkray	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:16:06 PM
I didn't think the trailer was that bad. Maybe I just don't expect that much from Rob Zombie. Granted, 1k corpses was highly effective, but not exactly as groundbreaking as some give it credit for (essentially just Chainsaw Massacre taken up a few notchs). Devil's Rejects, on the other hand, was surprising in that it actually created a sliver of sympathy for the most horrible of villians/anti-heros (is it really such a surprise, in that context, that Zombie went for the "poor soul" back stroy of Myers?) What to expect is a) Zombie will again try to take the violence up a notch or two (probably vivid rape - its the one stomache turner that no film maker has ever been able to make palatable for a [normal] viewer. Zombie will probably try, though it didn't work the last one) and b) he will try to ellicit more sympathy for Myers. In Devil's Rejects it was a bit innovative. Halloween was exploitative. I hope I'm wrong Mr. Zombie, I hope you create something genre- bendingly magnificient. But I think I'll be right, and just have to be greatful for a mildly entertaining gore/fright fest. I just don't expect anything more.
Whiskey Dick by A-COD	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:18:11 PM
Dead Link, that's hilarious! Made my day.
I'd rather enthusiasm... by vanchimera	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:24:16 PM
...over cash grabs any day. Rob loves what he does, and that's all I ask, regardless of my interest in the source material... which, dare I say, was bland to begin with. Fuck you, Michael Myers is a bitch.
Worst trailer ever....... by TorgoTheWhite	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:24:22 PM
......or, worst link ever. lol :P
Working link by AlienFanatic	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:26:18 PM
Assuming this is the same trailer, try: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/ 1810061258/trailer It's not horrible, but idk...I don't care for Zombie's work anyway.
Kevin Costner by WerePlatypus	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:26:32 PM
Rob gets to make Halloween, and Kevin got to make the Postman. Who makes these decisions. Maybe both Kevin and Rob get together and blow investors. Or MAYBE. . . Rob Zombie IS Kevin Costner. Nah. . . at least Kevin can protect Whitney Houston from killers. Rob can't even protect his own wife from the killer embarassment to come.
Grr. It put a space in it... by AlienFanatic	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:27:47 PM
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/ 1810061258/trailer
Rob Zombie? Halloween? Get fucked, hack. by Hint_of_Smegma	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:32:12 PM
Can't stand Zombie's films in the first place, since he remade/buttfucked Halloween I've had even less interest. This sequel doesn't look like changing that opinion. Carpenter may be shit these days, but even his worst is better than a Rob Zombie shitfest - so what the hell was going through Zombie's addled mind when he thought about remaking one of Carpenter's best...?
He should direct the next Howard Stern movie by Riley Martin	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:41:55 PM
Final scene is a 360 degree tracking shot of the studio as the gang start their morning show, over the opening strains of 'Great American Nightmare', then....as the song starts, smash cut to end credits. There you go ya hack....I've given you your ending. Now work backwards.
about to watch the Friday 13th remake... by darthwaz1	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:42:16 PM
wish me luck!
Lets just hope.... by TorgoTheWhite	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:45:11 PM
....Rob Zombie (or Michael Bay) doesn't do the remake of Forbidden Planet!
I saw this preview before Defiance by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:49:20 PM
on the DVD. It looked like shit.
I wish Zombie would release another record by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:51:11 PM
I liked his music wayy more than I like his films. His music videos were pretty cool, too. Pity he's just not capable of sustaining a story worth watching in a full length movie.
Where'd it go? by BillyMayesHere	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:57:27 PM

Where'd it go? by BillyMayesHere	Jun 22nd, 2009 08:57:29 PM

Love how Rob Zombie claims to be a fan of the franchise by kolchak	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:00:41 PM
We real fans wouldn't touch that shit. It's been damaged enough as it is by the numerous awful sequels.
Hmmmm by Porrohman	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:03:21 PM
Better than the last trailer,but...GODDAMMIT! NO! I WONT BE SEDUCED!
its kinda crazy... by Bouncy X	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:04:43 PM
i knew that one day, Michael Meyers, Jason and Freddy would all get the remake treatment. but man, i never expected all three to be done within a 3 year span.
Sticking up for Rob by Spiral_Jacobs	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:09:35 PM
First film was a mess, but I'm still a fan of Rob Zombie. He does his own thing (well, his own thing inspired by a love of horror and exploitation films, but it really is love), and I find it entertaining and funny. Devil's Rejects was fantastic, I enjoyed House of One Thousand Corpses as it was silly and fun with some nice visual flourishes. Halloween was the only film of his I haven't been pleased with, so I'll definitely give this a chance. Personally, I think the trailer looks pretty cool.
FUCKING AWFUL. by Liquid Meddle	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:26:52 PM
This is not Halloween, that is not Michael Meyers, and Rob Zombie is not his real name. I had the misfortune of seeing Zombie's "Halloween" and it was fucking terrible. Completely murdered the Michael Meyers character. "He's just a big, strong pro-wrestler who likes to wear his home-made masks!" Gay!
Fuck this guy by Turd Furgeson	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:42:34 PM
I would rather watch a Bret Ratner directed remake of Gone With The Wind, than this piece of shit. I ALWAYS reserve judgement and give a director the benefit of the doubt. Not this guy! Fuck him and his shit fuck movies.
Rob has a tremendous imagination and vision by zerofactor	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:51:36 PM
is the funniest line I've ever read in my entire life. Please, Hollywood, let this guy stick to his music, he can't direct to save his cat
Isn't Zombie only making these by IForgotAbout19	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:57:06 PM
to fulfill a contract? That's what I was told. I haven't seen these (or, to be honest, any of the halloween movies) but I loved House of 1,000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects, truly hillarious and brutal films. And for ZombieHeathLedger and whoever else, he is going to be putting out a new album soon. And an animated movie based on his comics.
Liquid Meddle by IForgotAbout19	Jun 22nd, 2009 09:58:09 PM
Bob Dylan wasn't his real name either.
Rob Zombie's: Script Girl the Movie by DGDBs_ANUS_SCARS	Jun 22nd, 2009 10:06:26 PM
I can actually see it. Rob just needs to get about one degree lamer.
pass. by easyxrules	Jun 22nd, 2009 10:08:33 PM
after getting eye raped by zombie by his remake of halloween i'm just going to go ahead and pass on the seeing the sequel.
Rob Zombie's DAY OF THE DEAD by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 22nd, 2009 10:24:05 PM
A remake of a remake of a remake of a remake of a remake of a remake
I liked his version better than the original.. by CeejayNightwing	Jun 22nd, 2009 10:28:39 PM
He didn't take away nothing that was good about the original movie but he added a lot to give it more substance. His Michael Myers has some solid foundation and a journey you can relate to. The original is simply a mystery we accept with a supernatural element that is never explained. Love both films, like RZ's one better. I remain open minded about the sequel, the only two good Halloween movies were the first two so if he can match that then the pair would be worth purchasing on Blu ray!
rob zombie should make the next Crow movie by Jesiah	Jun 22nd, 2009 10:30:42 PM
Cuz it's pretty much dead anyway, give him a dead horse to beat.
Links not working by brattyben	Jun 22nd, 2009 10:38:38 PM
"ACCESS DENIED"?
IForgotAbout19 by kolchak	Jun 22nd, 2009 11:05:32 PM
Bob Dylan is overrated. Yeah I went there. He may be able to write songs, but his vocals have always been shit.
And as for Halloween by kolchak	Jun 22nd, 2009 11:07:42 PM
Zombie raped the character of Meyers by taking away the core of his being and the only thing that made him scary to begin with: his ambiguity.
ZOMBIE SUCKS - Halloween BLEW! by BillyMayesHere	Jun 22nd, 2009 11:26:31 PM

The only thing good will be Danielle Harris by Super Rabbi	Jun 22nd, 2009 11:55:03 PM
That was a piece of shit. For once in a long time, I agree with Harry!
the 1st was an abomination. by RedHorseVector	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:00:29 AM
this is not even on my radar. if terminator and year one managed to bomb already this summer, this movie is going fucking nuclear.
its ok just turn your brain off! by BMacSmith	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:52:33 AM
what were you expecting shakespeare? crap, i ran out of Bay lover excuses.
HALLOWEEN 2: The Return of Al Simmons by MooseMalloy	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:02:11 AM
http://tinyurl.com/m6ux9n
SHITTY MOVIE? YOU'RE SOAKING IN IT!! by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:11:38 AM

Sherry Zombie by Blarg	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:50:58 AM
I agree, Zombie has got to do a movie without Yoko, I mean Sherry. She has become the Sondra Locke of Horror Films.
Nuke Rob Zombie from orbit, only way to be sure by reflecto	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:59:18 AM
The man cannot direct a single frame of anything. Yeah, that's right, Devil's Rejects sucked too. They all suck.
BTW, "he has a love of horror" excuse is retired by reflecto	Jun 23rd, 2009 02:01:52 AM
Banned. Can't use it anymore. Lots of people love horror and exploitation films - they don't all write and direct, because some simply can't. It doesn't matter how many people Rob Zombie name-checks or puts in his film, how many cutesy genre callbacks he throws in, his work is still the bottom of the barrel shit. I don't CARE if you have "a love for horror" if you are AN INCOMPETENT FUCKWAD.
Re: Rob Zombie's FRIDAY THE TEXAS HALLOWEENTH by ArmageddonProductions	Jun 23rd, 2009 03:05:28 AM
Er ... say, I don't remember much about that last godawful outing, but didn't Malcolm McDowell's character get his eyeballs squeezed out or some goddamn thing? Anybody over the age of fifteen who's never seen a horror movie before who winds up in the theater showing this deserves everything they get. Hopefully, there will be a lot of over-the-hill B-movie character actor cameos where they get to say "fuck" and "faggot" a lot. And at least one nod to the original TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2, which is apparently the only horror movie Rob Cummings has ever seen.
I'll be there opening weekend by caruso_stalker217	Jun 23rd, 2009 03:05:38 AM
I'm still not sure what everyone is whining about. Well, actually, I am. I just don't give a fuck.
Those who can't... by ZombieKingdom	Jun 23rd, 2009 03:24:41 AM
...review...on this site. Jesus Christmas...fucking assholes. Hollywood still takes your fanboy asses to the bank. IGNORE ME!!!!
Zombie Bashers... by Se Tscherrman	Jun 23rd, 2009 04:49:35 AM
...again. It's only a matter of time now that some Sh..head throws Eli Roth into the "discussion". Get a life, jealous HATERDS!
Yawn by barnaby jones	Jun 23rd, 2009 05:35:51 AM
Zombie is a hack with a modicum of visual flair.
Retire, Rob Zombie! Go back to making crappy music! by JuanSanchez	Jun 23rd, 2009 05:57:47 AM

I'm getting tired of zombies hillbilly horror themes. by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon	Jun 23rd, 2009 06:44:24 AM
Can't this guy go a single film without some sort of white trash revenge plot? I mean, come on! Don't get me wrong. I had high hopes when he turned his eyes to directing but then i watched 1000 corpses and it all went down hill from there.
Hold on, JuanSanchez, White Zombie ROCKS!! by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 23rd, 2009 06:51:04 AM
If you think White Zombie is "crappy music." What do you listen to?
Jesiah by Porrohman	Jun 23rd, 2009 07:09:37 AM
He was actually down to do a crow film back in the 90s.I can still remember his synopsis. and yes,he wanted to turn the crow into a fuckin red neck!
Like I've said by I am_NOTREAL	Jun 23rd, 2009 07:47:45 AM
The original Halloween 2 was complete crap, Carpenter or no Carpenter, so he might as well. Getting his version of the first one out of the way was like ripping off a Band Aid. Now just let him have at it. Really, it's not like any of the movies after the first Halloween were worth a goddamn anyway.
NOTREAL- - by barnaby jones	Jun 23rd, 2009 07:59:46 AM
I'm not against remaking crap films into good ones, but remaking an even crapper sequel to to an already crap original just makes no sense.
keep this in perspective by smackfu	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:00:19 AM
and consider how lucky we are to at least have Halloween films back in a state where they a) have a decent budget b) are being made by someone who actually cares about what he's putting on the screen and c) are once again something you at least consider going to a theater to see. If it wasn't for Zombie's reboot, we would have instead have had at least 3 direct to video shitfests featuring washed up rappers and wacky premises.
not that bad by Muzzle	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:06:03 AM
I actually liked the remake better when I got a chance to rewatch it. The scene where little mikey slaughters the kid from spy kids was very well done, and if you guys didn't like DR then I just don't know what the hell you're looking for in a horror movie. I will give this a chance
Rob Zombie excels at making... by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:07:17 AM
2 hour long music videos. White Zombie is the only creative thing he has ever done. Time to get the band back together Rob.
Zombie owns the horror genre right now... by Logan_1973	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:10:12 AM
Of course the competition is pretty thing right now, but he is the only one making ballsy films.
Honestly. by hopeless	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:16:59 AM
Im more of a fan of his music not his movies to me hes way overrated as a director but thats just my thoughts on the matter.
Logan_1973 by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:21:09 AM
If by "ballsy" you mean garbage, you're correct.
Zombie has one EPIC movie in him . . . by fireclown	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:26:04 AM
It just hasn't happened yet. I can feel it in me bones.
This will be better than most of the sequels by I_Snake_Plissken	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:29:44 AM
I can't believe all of the whining in this talkback. The original Halloween is a masterpiece, but with the exception of Halloween 2 and 4, all of the other sequels have been pretty bad (even H20 when you look back on it really isn't very good). The Akkad’s have been whoring this franchise out for years. Zombie's remake was at the very least quite interesting - you could see that he was interested in the Myers as a kid plotline - the first half of the film is actually pretty decent. Then, the thing goes off the rails as he attempts to re-film the original in 30 minutes of fast-forward mode and Micheal Myers becomes a demolition contractor. I won't see this in the theater, but I'll definitely watch it on DVD, and however it turns out my guess is that at no point will Busta Rhymes have a fistfight with Michael Myers - thus there is no way this will be the worst Halloween film ever made.
ah. Here's the trailer by fireclown	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:30:52 AM
http://shocktillyoudrop.com/ne ws/topnews.php?id=10875
"Then, the thing goes off the rails as he attempts to re-film th by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:36:02 AM
Well what else would you expect? It's a remake of a slasher movie. At some point he has to go on a killing spree. That's why the entire thing is pointless. All Zombie did was castrate the character of Meyers of his evilness, and then film a shittier version of the film we all know and love. As for the beginning, it's just more of that shitty "look at how well I know trailer trash" thing Zombie does in every movie.
barnaby jones - yeah, but... by I am_NOTREAL	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:44:54 AM
I'm not saying it's a great thing - really, I was trying to convey an attitude of resignation about the whole thing. I probably will never see this anyway, and while the original Halloween could not be improved, it's not like the first Halloween 2 is sacred material - if you're going to pillage the past, why not go after material that has no direction to go other than up?
What I Love ... by ThusSpakeSpymunk	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:45:42 AM
... is how insecure this talkback is. It's full of people who need their boogeymen to be "kewl" in order to feel good about themselves. I really, really enjoyed the first Zombie HALLOWEEN. I thought it was a creative handling on what could have been just a "reverent" remake that ended up being shot-for-shot or a pastiche of ideas from the first movie. Like him or not, Zombie did exactly what a remake should do (IMO) - take the basic concepts and run with them in an effort to glean something new from the material. I can't wait for this.
Oh, and Reflecto by I am_NOTREAL	Jun 23rd, 2009 08:46:10 AM
"Nuke Zombie from orbit, it's the only way to sure" was hilarious. Cheers.
All I can say is... by Megan_Foxs_Club_Thumb	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:00:48 AM
Zom-WOW!
Halloween 2 : Mama Tried by Dr Gregory House	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:03:00 AM
A Merle Haggard Joint
kolchak by Logan_1973	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:19:22 AM
Not what I meant at all.
Halloween 2: Mama Said Knock You Out by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:42:43 AM

HALLOWEEN 3: SEASON OF THE WITCH: PART 2 by jabman	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:47:20 AM
C'mon Zombie, make it happen!
I love all the TB tough guys by CaptainAxis	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:15:46 AM
"Wahhh! Michael isn't scary anymore! Wahhh!" Yeah, like any of you pasty fuckers wouldn't shit in your panties if you came face-to-face with Zombie's Myers in real life. The original Myers was scary for its time, but if you were to watch Carpenter's Halloween for the first time today, can you honestly say it would frighten you? If so, you're a goddamn pussy and you have absolutely NO business watching horror films.
Why call it Halloween? by ColonelFatheart	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:30:36 AM
Just do your own variation on the hulking slasher movie, call it something else, and put as many rednecks in it as you like. Devils Rejects, while referential, was somewhat original. It has many fans (not including me), so why follow it up with some halfassed remake?
CaptainAxis by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:37:36 AM
Zombie's Myers is scarier than Carpenter's Myers? Get the fuck out of here.
G.I. Joe looks good over this?????? by fanaticon2007	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:48:57 AM
Come on, Harry. You continue to lose any credibility with the people who visit your site. G.I. JOE looks like its worth visiting over this??? Come on, just tell us, how much was that payoff check from Paramount. G.I. JOE is going to bomb worse than any film this summer. We can only hope that a few years from now someone will do it justice. And you guys who hate Rob Zombie and HALLOWEEN II so much: DON'T WATCH IT! This is not a remake, its a sequel to his remake. Aside from the hospital, it will have no elements from the Carpenter scripted sequel. I'm tried of assholes like you guys who trash everything from Zombie to TRANSFORMERS. These movies make a shitload of money. Obviously you are going to see them in theatres, buying them on DVD, etc. How about going to flick and allowing yourself to be entertained. I was not excited about Rob Zombie's remake a couple of years ago. I am a huge Carpenter fan. Remaking that movie was like punching a baby in the face. it's just wrong. But I gave myself up to the experience. Zombie made that film his. As much as you don't like the dark, sort of redneck, filthy version of HALLOWEEN. He did it his own. Which is alot more than can be said for remakes like PROM NIGHT, MY BLOODY VALENTINE, FRIDAY THE 13th and APRIL FOOL'S DAY. And again, the film made money in both its theatrical release and two DVD releases. Give the flick a chance. For all the times Paramount and New Line Cinema sucked us dry with another tempered FRIDAY THE 13th or NIGHTMARE OF ELM STREET sequel, I think another filthy, back alley HALLOWEEN isn't the end of the genre.
Also if I was... by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:55:25 AM
to run into Michael Myers (regardless of depiction) in real life, yes I would be scared shitless, but that's not the argument here. It's about the context and Carpenter wins hands down.
Fucking idiots. by Lost Jarv	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:01:25 AM
And you, Harry, when the fuck precisely has this talentless bucket of vomit shown anything resembling an imagination. Everything he's done is either a homage or a rip off of much better films.
They were going to remake it by CaptainAxis	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:09:39 AM
It's not like Zombie went to the studio and begged them to let him remake Halloween. I believe he was asked and he accepted since he knew they were going to do it anyway. I'm pretty sick of the criticisms implying that Zombie came up with the idea of remaking Halloween. It would be like if your boss asked you to handle an important project at work; would you turn it down?
CaptainAxis by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:14:33 AM
Carpenter's Meyers was concentratroken home ed evil. Zombie's Meyers is just another product of a broken home. He belongs on Dr. Phil.
concentration of evil by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:15:09 AM
fucking windows 7 and its jumping cursors.
Why didn't Rob Zombie... by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:15:35 AM
base this story around one of his characters from The Devil's Rejects? Why because he's an arrogant, egotistical prick who thinks he has what it takes to top or in the very least add to Carpenter's vision. Seriously Fuck this guy.
Put up or shut up by CaptainAxis	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:16:29 AM
How would you creative geniuses have gone about remaking Halloween? Seriously, at least one of the haters need to answer this. "I wouldn't remake it" is not a valid answer. It was going to be remade regardless, so how would you have done it without rehashing/reheating the original story?
I wouldn't remake it by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:27:02 AM
and fuck the studios for thinking this should be remade. End of discussion.
"if your boss asked you to handle an important project...would y by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:30:19 AM
If it was to remake fucking Halloween? I wouldn't just turn it down. I'd quit.
kolchak by CaptainAxis	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:31:52 AM
That's why Zombie's Myers is scarier, because he could actually be real. I love the original Myers concept too, but "concentrated evil" is a fantasy, it isn't reality. Kids don't just suddenly snap and stab their siblings to death. I have a feeling that the haters are conservative types who see everything in black-and-white and foolishly believe that people are just born evil. Another reason I didn't mind the remake is because I am sick of formulaic horror flicks that focus on the eventual victims, so at least Zombie didn't force us to spend half the movie with an annoying group of teenagers we know are just going to be killed anyway. You know, like those shitty fucking Friday the 13th movies you hold so close to your heart.
You'd quit? by CaptainAxis	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:35:26 AM
Sure you would, tough guy. You're such a rebel! Go on with your bad self.
CaptainAxis by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 11:42:57 AM
Zombie's Meyer is ridiculous because if he was "real" he'd just be a guy walking around with a knife. Something you'd see on "COPS". Also, if he's supposed to be a real person why didn't he die in the first?
kolchak by CaptainAxis	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:03:31 PM
Zombie's Meyer is ridiculous because if he was "real" he'd just be a guy walking around with a knife First of all, it's "Myers" - at least Zombie knows how to spell the name. Secondly, that's the dumbest criticism I've ever heard. Was Gacy "just a guy walking around in a clown costume"? Was Dahmer "just a guy who liked to eat people"? No, they were real people who were shaped as killers by a combination of internal and external factors, much like Zombie's Myers. They weren't "concentrated evil" or some such bullshit. You know there's no such thing in real life, but there are plenty of fucked-up kids from broken homes who develop a habit of torturing and/or killing animals, and later people. That's scary to me, not some supernatural fantasy bogeyman.
Really? Dahmer scares you? by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:08:21 PM
You do know he was really only a threat to people who hung around gay bars, right? Also, Gacy dressing as a clown is scary because he could be around kids and nobody would suspect anything. BOTH of them charmed their victims in some way. Michael Myers walks around wearing a jump suit, not saying anything, carrying a knife. So that's a lousy comparison.
"you have absolutely NO business watching horror films." by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:10:10 PM
Funny considering the source.
Halloween OG vs Remake by Mr.FTW	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:21:44 PM
I just saw both Halloweens for the first time this month. I saw Zombie's first then Carpenter's because that is the order I caught them in on cable. They both suck. The original is a prime example of boring, droning and slow 70s film making. There is nothing scary about it, if anything the horrible acting made it kind of funny. The only thing it even brings to the table is the idea of the unstoppable threat and even at that Michael Meyers doesn't really take that much abuse. Zombie's remake was just that, a remake it was almost the same. Sure he gave Michael a much need back story and the audience an extra pair of boobs to look at but he didn't expand or improve on any of the ideas from the original. Whit Zombie's "love of horror" I wish he would do something that actually reflected that love. I much rather see his take on classic monsters that inspired his videos, artwork and music that to see him retread 70s exploitation/revenge/psychobil l crap that he has done again, again and again. The only interesting thing he has done was the end of House of a Thousand Corpses when things took a complete left turn and got crazy with the devil worship and that crazy doctor with that lab. People who praise The Devil's Rejects are twisted individuals. Anyone who enjoys that kind of brutality for the sake of vulgar brutality much like the Hostel films and Wolf Creek are just bent.
"Much needed" backstory? by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:33:32 PM
There was nothing necessary about that. As for your interpretation of Carpenter's Halloween, if you think it didn't "bring anything new to the table" you need to re-watch the fucking movie. You represent what's wrong with the genre today.
Bringing anything new to the table by ProfGriffin	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:50:03 PM
Well, to be fair, if I was to watch the original Halloween today, it would seem like more of the same...but keep in mind, it was the FIRST of that kind of filmmaking. Outside of Psycho, and some very fringe-type H.G. Lewis films, Halloween was the BIG ONE. Every film that followed in it's wake in the late 70's and through the slasher cycle of the 1980s was compared. No question. But in all of Carpenter's seemingly simple formula, was a well-crafted film determined to SCARE. The shots of Myers in the foreground watching the action, the INVENTION of the hand-held harness/dolly for the tracking shot on the night Judith was murdered...it's groundbreaking. And relatively bloodless. Brilliant. Poor Rob was beaten before he even began to shoot one frame of the remake.
Much needed backstory by Mr.FTW	Jun 23rd, 2009 12:57:12 PM
There was a need for a backstory, the character of Michael Meyers isn't a character at all. He was a one dimensional plot device. The only characterization you get is exposition from the doctor about how he is "evil". If you want to get "deep" and say Michael was a force of nature or an allegory for the things that scare us we can't control or stop you can but then you can put that crap on the shelf. Zombie at least tried to flesh out some characterization, I'll give him credit for that. His direction for the character and ability to execute however is completely up for debate.
ProfGriffin by Mr.FTW	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:06:29 PM
What I said was it din't bring anything to the table except for the unstoppable threat, I was misquoted when someone added didn't bring anything NEW to the table. But in context, you are right. Carpenter did do a few interesting things that were the first time those things had been done. And he did create some nice imagery with the mask appearing from the shadows but those things don't make up for the movie's flaws to me. It's not that it is more of the same, it's that it just isn't very good. I don't say that to troll or start fights but being someone who has seen it with fresh eyes the movie just doesn't hold up.
Mr.FTW by Muzzle	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:10:51 PM
"People who praise The Devil's Rejects are twisted individuals. Anyone who enjoys that kind of brutality for the sake of vulgar brutality much like the Hostel films and Wolf Creek are just bent." Honestly a horrible comparison
Rob would surprise himself... by Darkplanet	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:31:52 PM
Zombie needs desperately to break out of Horror and move into something completely outside of his comfort zone. He could bring an emotional intensity to good material. The studios and Rob need to think outside the box.
Muzzle by Mr.FTW	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:36:52 PM
The brutality in the Devil's Rejects was much more realistic and slightly less cartoonish but at the end of the day all of those films are a showcase for super exploitive violence. There is no message behind them, no lesson or moral. They just exploit brutality for the sake of shock value. There is no purpose behind them other than to push the limits of what the audience can handle or find comfortable. They are hollow and without substance and that is where I make my comparison.
The Devils Rejects by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 01:41:57 PM
Zombie trying to emulate The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I shut if off after about 45 minutes. Fucking Fail.
Another turd in the waterpipe of remakes. by Yoda's Ball Sack	Jun 23rd, 2009 02:37:03 PM
What a pity...........
Kolchak, you missed my point by I_Snake_Plissken	Jun 23rd, 2009 02:54:43 PM
In terms of the remake, Zombie was constrained by the framework of the original film – everything he did with it that was not a retread of the original was more interesting than the rest of it. Why bother to have the same characters and nearly the exact same scenarios? I would have been more interested in seeing what Zombie did with it if he didn’t feel obligated to follow the original plot. Yes, the obsession with whacked out hillbillies (and constantly casting his wife) gets a bit tiring, but Zombie does do some great stuff visually, and his films have a certain sadism/mean spiritedness that separates them from other crappy formulaic horror films. There are a couple of moments in The Devil’s Rejects for example that give you a similar sense of unease as something like Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer (and no, Zombie’s films don’t even compare, as Henry is a truly genuinely disturbing movie). And, to the guy who thinks the first Halloween is boring, you’re nuts. It’s one of the most suspenseful films of all time – the sequence where Jamie Lee Curtis is walking across the street to go check on her friends is chock full o’ tension, and the original white masked lurking Myers (especially when he has no tacked-on sister back-story) is one of the al time great screen bad guys.
The Quentin Tarantino of horror, folks. by Jerkface	Jun 23rd, 2009 03:27:52 PM
It's garunteed to suck. People who are complaing about us negative people are full of shit and must like shitty movies. All of his movies have been bad so far and this will be no different. It'll be chock full of bad, poorly delivered dialogue, "homages", style over substance and his awful non-acting wife. I think he'd have potential if all he did was direct. He has too much creative control. No more writing and no more wife!
Carpenter's Halloween by CaptainAxis	Jun 23rd, 2009 03:34:21 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love it and prefer it immensely over Zombie's remake. It's suspenseful, atmospheric, and Donald Pleasence was born to play Dr. Loomis. I just think it's laughable that some of you portray it as this untouchable, flawless work of art. It's a great movie, and that's all it is. 10,000 remakes or sequels won't change that fact. H20 and Resurrection did more damage than the remake, so I hope the Zombie haters were as vitriolic when Dimension kept pumping out progressively shittier sequels in the '90s. Nobody took the "Put up or shut up" challenge. There's a surprise! You guys just like to bitch and piss and moan.
If I ran into Carpenter's Myers... by TedKordLives	Jun 23rd, 2009 03:35:15 PM
...I wouldn't be scared until he grabbed me by the throat and stuck an absurdly large kitchen knife in my gut. That's the point. He doesn't look scary-maybe a little out of place when he's standing in your kitchen, but not scary. And Zombie's Myers was absolutely the opposite, and it was crap. By giving Myers an 'origin', you completely ruin the mystique of the character-like what happened to Wolverine in the comics (and the movies too now, I suppose). THAT was the scary thing about Myers: Nobody knows why he killed his sister. He just flipped out one night. An eight year old kid, totally normal, suddenly, viciously murders his sister out of nowhere. In conclusion, fuck Rob Zombie. I haven't liked any of his movies.
Loomis' monologue should have read by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 03:44:35 PM
"I spent eight years trying to reach him and then another seven trying to keep him locked up because I realized that what was living behind that boy's eyes was just mommy and daddy issues."
This is a terrible talkback by Gwai Lo	Jun 23rd, 2009 04:16:30 PM
I read most of the comments and now I am sitting here overwhelmed by sheer asininity. You are the Rob Zombie's Halloween of AICN talkbacks right now. I expected more. If one more person declares that Michael was more scary when he was ambiguous evil that emerged from a normal childhood as if it is an original thought I will totally go Silver Shamrock on you people. Step it up here! New smelly hobo bearded Michael Myers footage to mock, complete with Mother and Young Mikey apparitions that appear like Yoda and Obiwan, and you're still doing your asinine talkback remakes of Quint's 3 year old script review!
GWAI LO! by TedKordLives	Jun 23rd, 2009 04:28:37 PM
CHICKY CH-KOW!
Gwai Lo by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 23rd, 2009 04:33:52 PM
It's hard enough for me to talk about this piece of shit remake in the same breath as the classic let alone dissect it.
Sorry. by TedKordLives	Jun 23rd, 2009 04:34:10 PM
I've seen Tropic Thunder waaaaaay too many times. Meyers was scarier as a cypher. Not to be confused with Charles Cyphers, who played Annie's dad in the original Halloween.
My brain is dehydrated. by TedKordLives	Jun 23rd, 2009 05:34:58 PM
Need ELECTROLYTE-AH!
Ha! by TedKordLives	Jun 23rd, 2009 05:47:13 PM
Can I kill a TB or what?
I know why Harry isn't enthused about this... by Logan_1973	Jun 23rd, 2009 06:41:11 PM
No set visit.
It is not a remake!!!! by fanaticon2007	Jun 23rd, 2009 06:58:01 PM
If you hate the movie and the people involved fine. It's not a fucking remake, but a sequel to his remake. You can't even get the facts straight in order to critique the film.
Fuckin' Chill by nicegoogly	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:10:32 PM
Let's be real about the original Halloween, which I love, it is not high fuckin' art. It was a slasher film. There is nothing to interpret here. There is no symbolism and artistic integrity to protect. For the time, Carpenter made a fuckin' scary movie that many teens would probably laugh at or fall asleep during nowadays. Zombie's take on the material, while very redneck, still had the feel of the original. I think he captured it. If we give Batman Begins (not on the same level, yes) credit for reimagining the character from Burton's interpretation, let Zombie have his turn. I thought it was a great retelling. The backstory still does not give insight into why Michael was the way he was. Loomis refers to the "perfect storm" of his upbringing, but there was now way to help him or stop him. He was something never seen before. Still an enigma, no real explanation, just a little background with regards to the night he murdered his sister and his entry into the institution. The relationship with Loomis and why Loomis went a little crazy himself trying to stop him. Why is it sacrilege to give more insight? Making Michael more real makes him scarier (and yes, the whole giant wrestler thing requires a bit of suspension of disbelief), but it is scarier that we can have all this insight to Michael's past, but no means to help him, no means to help ourselves against him. Plus, he was not an inexplicable zombie. I guess that shit is for the sequel apparently.
"there is no...artistic integrity to protect" by kolchak	Jun 23rd, 2009 09:59:21 PM
Have you seen that opening shot? I digress. If you think a guy being abused and then growing up to be a serial killer is creepier than a normal child snapping and deciding to embark on a never ending murder spree because he's pure evil, we'll have to agree to disagree. But let it be known your version is lame both on paper and on film.
Opening scene.. by nicegoogly	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:29:47 PM
So you are defending the opening scene. I am talking about the entire film. Rubber mask over the camera...not the first time. It is not different than the "binocular scope" effect on Charlie's Angels (TV Show). It is creepier to know that it exists an at least some plane of reality. Michael, at no time was a normal child. Within five minutes of meeting him, he's a killin'. "Just snapping." Is rather boring when you think about it. No leap to be had. By the time we are tuning in, he's already leapt. No budget, no backstory. Carpetner's Halloween is appreciated for what he did with a shoestring budget. Are you going to say El Mariachi is superior to Deperado (which was made by the same dude)?
Deperado was then remade by nicegoogly	Jun 23rd, 2009 10:31:29 PM
Into Desperado (also same dude).
Somebody should have just taken young M. Myers trick or treating by PHUCKO	Jun 24th, 2009 01:26:19 AM
This would all have never happnened
A myriad of excuses for Rob Zombie making shit by reflecto	Jun 24th, 2009 04:34:09 AM
1. The Halloween sequels aren't so good anyway, so why shouldn't Rob Zombie also make a shitty movie? 2. The original Halloween 2's not so good anyway, even though fans liked it and have for years 3. Halloween's not so good anyway, so Rob is just updating it. 4. HE CARES!!! ABOUT HORROR!!! HE CARES!!! HE CAN'T DIRECT OR WRITE, BUT HE CARES!!!111 5. Busta Rhymes! Admit the false equivalence between either this movie OR another Halloween with Busta Rhymes! You either get this or Busta Rhymes! Shut up! There is no other option! Don't pretend there is! Accept the false choice!
Hm by solanine	Jun 24th, 2009 04:38:15 AM
A fat, ugly, whiny kid crying on his porch steps while Love Hurts plays is clearly scarier than a kid that snaps for no reason into a killing machine. Clearly.
And completely basing the story and script by solanine	Jun 24th, 2009 04:44:54 AM
around how he could recast his wife in this is taking it too far. I once had faith he might accidentally do something great, but I give up now.
"the original is not high fuckin' art" by Scratchmonkey	Jun 24th, 2009 01:52:18 PM
That would certainly explain why it was entered into the US National Film Registry in 2006, which requires potential inductees to be "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant films".
nicegoogly by Jerkface	Jun 24th, 2009 03:50:49 PM
I prefer El Mariachi.
scratchmonkey by nicegoogly	Jun 24th, 2009 05:07:48 PM
Look at the entire list and tell me you agree with everything.
The entire list? by Scratchmonkey	Jun 25th, 2009 02:34:37 AM
I wouldn't like to say if I agree with it or not, as I haven't seen all the films on it. The NFR deemed that Carpenter's film was more than "just a slasher film" and that's fine by me. I doubt very much that Zombie's version would ever be looked upon as being culturally, historically or aesthetically significant.
The franchise, in general... by Kammich	Jun 25th, 2009 04:29:53 PM
...has been dragged through the mud so many fucking times, in so many fucking ways, that it still surprises me that fans of the original/overall series get SO worked up over Zombie's version(s). The series has gone from low-budget indie atmospheric classic with an above-average sequel; to a franchise reboot about halloween masks and tom atkins mustaches; to a very brief attempt at making Michael's niece his successor; to a complicated plot thread of Michael being astronomically chosen to represent a druid cult's attempts at genetic modification; to abandoning films 3-6 for a flash-in-the-pan Kevin Williamson script; to Busta Rhymes kicking Michael Myers through a flaming wall. Listen, I love the Halloween series. each movie has its own place in my guilty pleasures box. but seriously, a Rob Zombie white-trashing of the original material isn't even close to the worst thing this franchise has endured. For all intents and purposes, practically the entire series has been a critical failure after the original. good thing for me, I just love the character and could really care less how cinematically significant the series is... it still has my $10 every time a new one drops.
First to see H2 by trusense	Jul 22nd, 2009 11:50:55 AM
I gotta give it to Harry,u called it. It was kind of nuts not in a good way. To many cut scenes when it wasn't necessary,killings weren't creative, certain acting was laughable when it wasn't suppossed to be.Rob really made it his own and I know that's what he wanted to do. But for that he should have made a totally different slasher flick.He had certain things working for him in this movie but he didn't put it together correctly.He needs to chop down certain scenes,bla,bla,bla..I can go on and on...I would love for john carpenter to bring Michael back to his Haddonfield.
not that bad by rzfan	Jul 27th, 2009 02:56:45 PM
not sure why all the negativity is all about. I mean let's face it. Any horror film coming out these days is pretty muc shit. Just a director trying to see how far he can go. Zombies first remake was acutally good. I liked the fact he explored mm's childhood. The original halloween was shit!! Very boring!! I'm all for zombie's movies and music.

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