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Being FIRST is the ultimate destiny of - DOOM!
by V. von Doom
Jun 17th, 2009
08:21:28 AM
And DOOM HAS NO MASTER!
by V. von Doom
Jun 17th, 2009
08:31:20 AM
steverodgers, Millar is not shoehorning the "Master" into the FF universe: He's trying to latch his pitiful knockoff onto the legend of DOOM like a lamprey leaches off a fish's guts. "Oh, this guy just appeared from nowhere and can kick Victor Von's butt; he MUST be tough!" No, it means Millar is a lazy writer. The only consolation will be seeing him knocked back on his ass when DOOM returns!
Twice is nice but three's divine...
by Psynapse
Jun 17th, 2009
08:32:52 AM
what's hers, is yours, is ours, is mine.
Right on Bug Booster
by optimous_douche
Jun 17th, 2009
08:33:22 AM
This Booster issue was GREAT!!!
Man, how awful were the non-Morrison bat books
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
08:42:18 AM
last week? Red Robin was senseless and apparently drawn by a chimpanzee who works with his feet, while Batman was a dull, completely redundant and pointless issue about Dick Grayson's reservations in assuming the role. You know, exactly the thing we spent three issues of Battle for the Cowl showcasing.

And why, for fuck's sake, can't DC get decent artists? Does Marvel really pay THAT much more, to anyone who can almost draw? I was reading some Marvel tpbs over the weekend, and you can't help but notice how even their c-list miniseries about an obscure cosmic character still get really, really good art. Whereas DC struggles to retain the likes of Dale Eaglesham or something.

It's just so goddamned bizarre how badly and ineptly they've bungled the whole 'Death of Batman' thing, particularly when compared with what Marvel did with Captain America.

Red Robin
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
08:47:24 AM
How can you say that was anything other than a festering pile of elephant shit? The horrible art, the nonsensical story... so it's not Tim's idea to go look for Bruce; he's basically fired by Dick and, well, just has to find something to do with himself. And Tim WAYNE? Isn't that really disrespectful to the man who raised Tim and died because of his hobby as a super-hero? But moreover-- what the fuck, exactly, is Tim doing? He's traveling all over the country why? What clues are making him think Bruce is out there somewhere? What clues is he following? Why does he go any of the places he goes and why does he do any of the things he does? How is any of it supposed to help him find Bruce? It's goddamned ridiculous, boring bullshit, with awful art that wouldn't have passed the Comico standards in the early 80s.

Christ. It sucked so bad.

Laserhead's Right RE The Bat Books
by V. von Doom
Jun 17th, 2009
08:47:26 AM
I usually gave DC the awards for "decent, on-the-ball" editors over the decades. Yet something's gone wrong over the past couple of years. Too many late books, too many flubbed events. I'm not a DiDido basher, but I don't think it's a coincidence this all started happening on his watch. Is he actually Bill Jemas in disguise?!
My Big Mopey Dick
by Squashua
Jun 17th, 2009
08:59:15 AM
Is hung low.
That Skaar
by Series7
Jun 17th, 2009
09:11:16 AM
Sucked. The promise of a one shot turned into just a push for another spin off or story. Does War of Kings follow Marvel continuty? Also the art sucked.
How long until Millar's Doom is revealed to be a Doombot?
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 17th, 2009
09:17:01 AM
Isn't that what they usually do when Doom does something that's out of character (like defer to some heretofore unrevealed "Master")?
Nah, Didio's not Jemas in disguise.
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 17th, 2009
09:19:40 AM
If he was all the new DC comics would be rip-offs of contemporary movies and TV shows.
What? No comment on
by Subtitles_Off
Jun 17th, 2009
09:19:54 AM
Marvel's grand announcement that "has swept mainstream media by storm"? You know, the thing that "everyone is talking about"?
Bring back Doom and the Master of Evil
by Series7
Jun 17th, 2009
09:21:39 AM
That mini series was awesome!
Get rid of "The Kid"
by OptimusCrime
Jun 17th, 2009
09:32:18 AM
Everytime I want to read a review of a particular book, it always seems to be written by this child. Props to him for getting himself out there, but his reviews definitely are reminiscent of the 8 year old that he is. Let him stick to his own site.
Fuck you! Early 80's Buck kicks ass.
by Dingbatty
Jun 17th, 2009
09:42:45 AM
You are no true Gen X-er.
Subtitles...
by AndrewGol
Jun 17th, 2009
09:43:13 AM
We'll be talking about the new Clone Saga book Marvel announced soon. Don't worry
Ding
by optimous_douche
Jun 17th, 2009
09:50:19 AM
Allow me to offer proof as to why I do love that old show, but look back with a groan these days.

http://tinyurl.com/m37lwl And you're right I'm in that damn Gen X - Gen Y middle ground...

When I was a "Kid"
by Slaphappy Slim
Jun 17th, 2009
09:52:44 AM
I also found it annoying when the cover didn't match the story.
roy of the rovers
by foree forehead
Jun 17th, 2009
09:58:02 AM
used to love that comic in ireland. fantastic stuff, what comics are all about really. the banana-like bend that roy could put on a ball would make beckham weep. there was another football comic about a kid who would regain his ability to speak if he scored a hat-trick in a cup final... but he'd also lose his brilliant football ability. sadly (and fantastically for us readers) he'd always score two goals and shank a penalty off the post in the last minute to remain mute forever... good lord.
I loved FF 567 too
by sean bean
Jun 17th, 2009
10:01:05 AM
But it's the first time that Millar & Hitch's run has really struck a chord - it's taken this long for them to remember what it is they do best - widescreen ass-kickery. Unfortunately, this is why their run will ultimately be judged a failure. But I'm glad to see that Hitch has kept to a monthly schedule. Oh, and the Omega Box was flagged up waaaay too many times in this issue to not be a plot point in future issues.
A book with the title "Assholes"
by Snookeroo
Jun 17th, 2009
10:04:17 AM
has to warn the reader that it is intended for mature readers?
Baytor and Hawkeye
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
10:05:05 AM
I think Baytor had some valid points on Walking Dead. Sometimes Kirkman's characters lack a distinctive and consistant personality. Take Dale for instance, why is it suddenly his turn to be a contrary dickhead? It makes no sense at this point, given his character's past actions. Its a bad thing if all of your characters can ONLY be described in a single sentence, but, at the same time, you need that single sentence descriptor to build good characters off of and Kirkman's characters in the Walking Dead each lack that single unique trait to build their personality off of. This guy is the smart ass and here's why. his lady is the bitch and here's how she got that way, etc. I think thats why, while I really enjoy the series over-all, I don't really connect to the characters emotionally. Remember when Glenn went all weepy in Woodbury? Why? How come nothing ever came of it.

Honestly, I feel like being tough on Kirkman, because he can be a pompous ass about his "creator owned" bullshit. Did you read that stupid Image/Invincible #63 parody of Cap #600 announcement? A. Lame. B. What? Marvel is bad for trying (and failing) to drum up more interest in a dying medium? C. A little sour grapes from perennial also-ran Image comics, perhaps. Douchebags.

On a happier note... Do eveyone see the last New Avengers Reunion? Hawkeye was wearing a turtle neck with a blazer! Fucking awesome.
I'm a bit depressed.
by maelstrom_ZERO
Jun 17th, 2009
10:10:35 AM

I mean, I'd love to get into this whole "death of Batman" thing and start reading all the related comics, like "Battle for the Cowl" and the like. Except, it seems that everything surrounding Batman's "death" is so poorly written and executed, that it's just not worth it. Especially after I read the whole "Batman: RIP" comic. Utter confusion there.

I think I'll just quietly slink off to the side and reread Brubaker's run on Captain America. At least that death of a character was well-written and made sense.

Now 'tis I who pity you...
by Psynapse
Jun 17th, 2009
10:22:38 AM
The Kirkman Invincible #63 announcement was intended parody and rather funny at that.
Loglines
by Gigolo Joe
Jun 17th, 2009
10:22:55 AM
It would help if the reviewers would maybe devote one sentence to what the comic is about before going into their feelings on it. I have no idea what 'Philly' is. If you want me to go buy it, at least give me a logline.
Red Robin
by Ambush Bug
Jun 17th, 2009
10:27:08 AM
I'm not saying the book was perfect, but at least Tim isn't moping around Gotham like the rest of the crew. Tim is going in his own direction. He doesn't have a master. He's looking for peace and understanding. Hell, if I didn't know better, I'd think Chuck Dixon was writing this book because it's right up his alley. And I agree, there was something off about the crosscutting of scenes in this issue. It's like an entire section was out of order or something on the way to the press. Still the premise is what made me like this book. Will it deliver? Who knows?
Psynapse
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
10:32:22 AM
I know it was a parody. I know that. God damn, man...
maelstrom_ZERO
by Kid Z
Jun 17th, 2009
10:32:45 AM
Uh, you'll probably be rethinking your Captain America view when you find out about the lame-ass way they decided to resurrect Steve Rogers... "that wasn't an ordinary gun" indeed! At least we'll get Cap giving Tony Stark a well-deserved asskicking before they probably team up to take down Norman Osbourne under orders from Obama. (Kinda sad it's so easy to forcast plots these days, isn't it?)
You're right, Gigolo Joe: Logline for PHILLY
by Prof
Jun 17th, 2009
10:34:03 AM
Silly egotistical super-heroes in Philadelphia who get into a dust up with Vampires. Sorry that didn't come through in the review.
Doom out of character?
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
10:35:11 AM
In the mindfuck he was ready to fight and crush, revealing that he obviously didn't consider this person his master, at least anymore and was only being polite, but now... oh, yeah, Doom is gonna come back an kick some ass... Unless that giant shark ate him...
Red Robin
by Prof
Jun 17th, 2009
10:35:50 AM
I Byrne-stole the issue and chose not to spend money on it. The art kind of killed it for me. Shallow, I know, but its true.
Batman and Red Robin
by Mr.FTW
Jun 17th, 2009
10:37:44 AM
With Batman it seems like the missing issue from Battle for the Cowl. The entire thing happend in what seemed like it should have been between the last two pages of BftC. If they were even going to run an issue like this why wasn't it part of that story? I agree with others that coming out after the fact makes the issue redundant and pointless.

Red Robin, something I want to really like but there are way too many things about it that are leaving me cold. First, I can't really get past the fact that they are calling him Red Robin or the costume. With the multiverse being brought back and characters from all over in the main DCU it doesn't make sense. They have introduced so many characters from Kingdom Come already, we've had multiple Supermen and even multiple Wildcats. Why would the KC Dick Grayson/Red Robin be excluded, he already exists. In KC thr RR costume was a combo of the old Robing and Batman costumes and it worked there and it was obvious what it was with no explination. In this new RR title there is no explination for why Tim is wearing it. Tim wore the old Robin costume, what one time before they updated it? There is no reason why he would wear a costme like that especially since his previous one was and is so much better. It was still red and black but more like Batman's than the KC design. If they just added a cowl to it it would make much more sense and be believable he would make that decision. It just doesn't fly that Tim would wear a pre-established costume that he doesn't know anything about.

Also the characterization for Tim has been so skewed. Tim has always been the most independant of the Batkids, he was the most logical and the best detecive. After IC when his dad died he wasn't very happy about Bruce adopting him and he struck out on his own. To do a complete 180 and want to be called Tim Wayne and refer to Bruce as his dad is just really bizzare. It doesn't mesh at all with the way Tim has been written for a long time.

Tim's motivation doesn't make sense either. Bruce got hit with the Omega beams or whatever they were in FC and that displaced him in time or whatever it did and we as readers all know that but there is no evidence inside the fictional world that Bruce has been displaced or is alive. Like I said Tim was depicted as the best detective, even Bruce aknowlaged his abilities more than once as being the best and with time being better than himself. To have Tim going off on some wild goose chase isn't in character for him. Granted he lost his current father figure and has lost a lot so far from his parents, best friend and at one time his former girlfriend (before the brought Spoiler back fro Africa WTF) but it just doesn't gel.

I really like the Tim Drake character and if they want him to go adventuring that's great, if they want to establish him on his own fantastic. But the direction so far, I can't get behind it.

Uhh Okay...
by Psynapse
Jun 17th, 2009
10:53:30 AM
Do you like waffles? Because you sure do it quite a bit.
Just read Streets of Gotham
by i_banged_harley_quinn
Jun 17th, 2009
10:53:51 AM
I just read Dini's Streets of Gotham. It's actually excellent in my opinion. It's way better than Red Robin or Batman. And to be honest I kinda liked it more than Batman and Robin.
I DO like waffles!
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
11:09:27 AM
Thanks for asking.
u.wish.u.banged.harley.quinn...
by Prof
Jun 17th, 2009
11:15:08 AM
Plan on picking up Streets of Gotham tonite. Paul rarely lets me down. :)
To anyone who has time to complain about the kid
by Lolthien
Jun 17th, 2009
11:36:33 AM
You guys DO realize you are taking this whole comic book review thing WAY too f'in seriously right? "Everytime I want to read a review of a particular book.." what?... you actually spend time wanting to read a review of a specific comic book, and when this 8 year old does an admirable job of explaining the story you complain? What world do you live in? Were there not enough cuss words? Not enough meta-physical ramifications of spider-man looking like venom? Perhaps you wanted someone to name drop an author's name and say how much he sucks.. or how much he doesn't suck as much as everyone says...... I read this column in lieu of reading the comics themselves, because it is sort of like the cliff's notes versions of those comics. And frankly, they could have someone write the article in Japanese, and if I couldn't read it I'd move on to the next story... because really, is it worth getting angry over?
Actually, Joenathan, I didn't read the book.
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 17th, 2009
11:37:04 AM
It just seemed out of character, and I really just wanted to make a Doombots reference.
Spidey
by rgc123
Jun 17th, 2009
11:42:43 AM
From what I've heard from the last couple issues of Amazing Spider-Man, it looks like Marvel is FINALLY trying to put Spider-Man at the forefront of the Marvel Universe again. Having Norman Osborn be the number #1 baddie forces Spider-Man to be at the center of everything...which is the way it should be.
Rev
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
11:48:30 AM
Who doesn't.

And honestly, I'm still waiting for that particular reveal.
Has anyone read Cap #600 yet?
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
11:51:10 AM
I haven't been to the LCS yet. How does Bucky Carrie fit in?
RE: Prof
by i_banged_harley_quinn
Jun 17th, 2009
11:57:44 AM
Actually my wife knows my fascination with Harley and she was cool enough to buy an outfit and do a little role playing for me. Every once in a while I do get to bang Harley. I'm not even gonna mention what it is I have to do for her though!
Cap #600
by Prof
Jun 17th, 2009
12:05:56 PM
The online synopsis at Bleeding Cool was enough for me. No need to spend money on a placeholder until July when the "real" must-buy Captain America comes out. Reborn by Brubaker and Hitch has me first in line for each issue.
Bug, Red Robin
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
12:17:36 PM
I like the premise too. Heck, I love the premise. But, as written, the premise seems to have no credible reason for existing. You know? How about giving Tim a REASON he thinks Bruce is still alive somewhere? How about giving him some mysterious clues to FOLLOW? It seemed like we just got random, badly illustrated scenes without motivation or plan. I'd love a Tim Drake international action series where he's basically Cane, travelling the world doing good turns while also following clues as to what happened to Bruce Wayne. But this, this was gobbledy-gook.
Millar is killin it on FF
by StrokerX
Jun 17th, 2009
12:19:32 PM
this latest issue was awesome. Looks like he's been reading up on his Genjutsu. Cookie to the 1st who gets that.
Final Crisis HC
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
12:20:13 PM
This is interesting... Final Crisis reads entirely differently as a collection, with the two Superman Beyond issues and Resist included in the middle of the main series.

I'm not done with it, but it's a completely different reading experience (obviously-- but this time it works A LOT better).

Scott Pilgrim
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
12:23:47 PM
I finally got around to picking these up. tons of fun. I recommend them to anyone who likes Clugston's Blue Monday series.
Mr.FTW about Red Robin
by Ambush Bug
Jun 17th, 2009
12:24:37 PM
I completely agree with you on BATMAN. The issue reads like they had two scenes that they needed to print, then told Winick to pad the rest of it with filler and redundancy. But I liked the two scenes I mentioned.

On Red Robin, I was wondering if you read the last ROBIN series, because a lot of the things you talk about are answered in there. And in the issue itself, Red Robin explains that he's anticipating doing things that make him not want to be associated with Batman & Robin, so he chose the Red Robin costume because Jason Todd had already associated the suit with grey area heroics.

I DO share your annoyance with the Multiverse. Writers say it opens doors for storytelling. But for me, it makes things much more confusing and leaves me not giving a shit about any of it because none of the stories really matter or can be rewritten by jaunting to another universe. If everyone is so pissed that Bruce is dead, why not skip over to Earth 69 and snag the Batman from there? It just makes everything so uncertain and loose for my tastes.

And Tim does know about the Red RObin costume because Fabian Niceinza wrote some pretty darn good final issues to the ROBIN series with Jason Todd (in Red Robin costume) fighting Tim for the name of Robin.

In the last ROBIN series is also where Tim takes Bruce's last name, not because he wants to shun his real father's name, but because Tim was legally adopted by Bruce after his death. It's quite common for adopted children to take their new parent's name.

The last couple of years of ROBIN have also shown Tim going down a darker path. This was also shown in Johns' TEEN TITANS series where a future version of Tim reveals him to have taken the role of a very dark version of Batman (sporting guns, none-the-fuckin-less). It wasn't just the death of Tim's father that puts him over the edge. It's the death of Superboy. The death and shady resurrection of Spoiler. And now the death of Bruce that has lead him towards a more violent and destructive path. Fabs wrote some especially effective final issues of ROBIN that really illustrate how far Tim has fallen as Tim recklessly endangers civilians, gets his hair burned off and is forced to wear a cowl very similar to Red Robin's. All that and in the first issue of RED ROBIN, we see Tim feeling betrayed by Nightwing for taking Damian in as Robin and not him. I'd say that'd be reason for anyone to have a bit of a darker dispoisition.

I just think that if they're having someone go on a quest to find Bruce, it'd be Tim moreso than anyone to see through the bullshit of RIP & FC and search for one of the few people he has left in his life that he cares deeply about. Plus this is a chance to see those adventures we never saw when Bruce "walked the earth" in order to become Batman. As much as Dick deserves to be the new Batman, Tim is becoming the next and only logical true hero to step into the shoes. This series looks to be giving him more experience to one day do so.

And I thought the art was ok in a gritty, GOTHAM CENTRAL sort of way.

Then again, the series could suck ass. How the hell am I to know?
Red Robin-- again
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
12:26:55 PM
Again, I think it's a GREAT idea for a series. But the first issue was written as if by randomly assembling those refrigerator magnets that have nouns and verbs. And the art? Come on... if that's decent art, the medium's hit a low.
Yeah, Laser...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 17th, 2009
12:30:35 PM
I hope they clear that up in future issues. I seriously think there was a printer error in the issue and pages were printed out of order. I think Tim's sudden realization that Bruce is alive is more of an act of desperation than something based on fact. Tim's literally's got nothing left to cling to, so he flips, makes a bold accusation, and uses it as an excuse to get out of the painful position of watching Damian flip around in his tights.
RED ROBIN art
by Ambush Bug
Jun 17th, 2009
12:32:48 PM
It reminded me of John McCrea from the old HITMAN series. I loved his stuff, so I guess, I didn't mind it as much as others.
Red Robin art
by Prof
Jun 17th, 2009
01:23:58 PM
:) No need to justify. Art appreciation is purely a visceral thing. Well, unless someone claims to LOVE a George Tuska/Vince Colletta combination. ;)
Bug
by Mr.FTW
Jun 17th, 2009
01:24:50 PM
I did miss out on the ending of Robin, I didn't see the fight with Jason in the Red Robin costume, I knew he wore it durring his multiverse jumping adventures but didn't realize he wore in in the main DCU. I'll have to catch up with back issues.

I totally get the Tim has been through his fair share of turmoil and I have no problem with his decent to a darker character and becoming more like Bruce than anyone else. And they have shown him going to extremes trying to recreate SUperboy and questing after the Lazarus pits and fight ing Dick. It just still seems a little out of character to me but maybe the back issues will fill in the shift.

I just really like the Tim Drake character, he was introduced when I was in jr high and really got into not just reading but collecting comics. Dick might be the original but he has been Nightwing most of the time I've read comics and Tim was Robin to me. I just want to see the character done right, maybe this new series will take him a good direction.

I still don't like the Kindom Come costume being used though.

Tim's motivation
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
01:43:52 PM
Right, Bug-- I got that he's searching for Bruce purely out of desperation... and that's total bullshit. "Superman walked out cradling Bruce's fried skeleton, but I just know he's alive somewhere... because I want him to be!"

This might echo Tim's horribly wrong characterization in Titans (cloning superkid), but since when is Tim Drake this Pathetic? He's like a deranged ninny. How hard would it have been to give Tim some credible motive for engaging in this quest? How hard would it be to insert some kind of plot machination to set all this moving? But there's none. Zero. Some of the laziest writing I've seen in a long, long time. 'We can't be bothered to actually set up this situation, or make it sync organically to the established characterization of this figure.' I like John Mcrea, but I think this artist makes George Tuska look like... um, Bryan Hitch. Yeah.

Can someone explain a few things to me
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
02:00:42 PM
about this Batman is dead thing. 1. How does everyone know he is dead? did Superman tell them? Is it an assumption? What do they think happened to him? 2. If Damian is Batman's kid then he can't possibly be anything other then the baby from Son of the Demon. If so why Did Batman say he was drugged? He was not drugged when he fucked Talia. Sorry. Also I'm pretty sure Talia gave the baby up. Why is nothing more about this revealed. I don't think Morrison is usually lazy continuity wise. He mentions the problems yet doesn't always acknowledge enough to explain them. That kind of drives me more crazy. I still think Damian sucks and Bruce should of been tougher on him. He told Tim to take off the Robin costume when he wore it the first time. I don't agree that he would favor someone just because they are blood.
And i also want to know why Talia is such a
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
02:02:58 PM
bitch now? But i guess I can't fault people's interpretations of the character.
It's like Talia is crazy
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
02:04:37 PM
her kid is crazy and Batman was for the most part indifferent.
Red Robin is a really dumb name for a super-hero.
by cookylamoo
Jun 17th, 2009
02:05:03 PM
It brings to mind that stupid song, "When The Red Red Robin Comes Bob Bob Bobbin' Along" plus it reminds you of all the other bozo heroes with Red in their names like Red Tornado, Red Devil, Red Ronin, and Red Raven. it sacrifices credibility in the name of mindless alliteration. The only thing dumber would be to make him fat and call him Round Robin.
And the idea of Red Robin is ass
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
02:07:31 PM
Do the need to keep giving someone this dorky outfit or something? is that in the DC rule book? Lol fucking Jason Todd and his pathetic characterization took up the mantle of everything from nightwing to the easter bunny.
Rufferto
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
02:08:10 PM
Yep. There you have it. Whereas when Captain America "died" it was clear what had happened and the community mourned him; at DC, we don't even know what people think or why they think it, with regard to Batman.

It's not Morrison, I think, but editorial mandates and back-tracking. For instance, a couple months ago, in an interview Didio explained that Hawkman and Hawkgirl died in Final Crisis. Then a month later he comes back and says that the Hawkwoman and Hawkman who died in Final Crisis were alternate universe doppelgangers. DC's entire universe is being cobbled together on-the-fly, without regard to logic or consistency, without any kind of plan (or without STICKING to a plan).

Rufferto
by Mr.FTW
Jun 17th, 2009
02:15:39 PM
The reason everone knows Bruce is "dead" is because Superman carries the blasted remains of Batman's body from the rubble at the end of Final Crisis. Thing is at the very end the reader sees Bruce alive in and Australian outback type setting. Daeksied blasted Batman with the Omega Solution or something like that. Since it was Grant Morrison no one really knows what is going on but the common though is Bruce is displaced in time. It's up in the air where Bruce is and who the body Superman was carrying belongs too.

Daimen is Bruce's son by way of cloning from the Morrison run on Batman. Damien is not aware of this though.

Yay! Happy Music!
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
02:16:40 PM
Sorry, that's a joke from MST3K's 'Pumaman' ep.
Suck It DC!
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
02:20:10 PM
You suck, your Universes suck, your non-existent plan sucks, your continuity sucks, your editors REALLY suck, your editor-in-chief is a kill-crazy psychopath, and as an organization you have no idea what you're doing.

So bring back Ted already, ass monkeys.

Assholes
by BLWiseass
Jun 17th, 2009
02:23:22 PM
I've actually read both issues so far, and it is indeed funny and well worth a look. BTW the cover says for (im)mature audiences only, or something to that effect.
Not kidding.
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
02:24:04 PM
I've been done with DC since Infinite Crisis (and I don't even have those issues anymore-I guess I have different issues now hehe) and I'll continue to boycot DC until Ted comes back (to life, not as a fucking zombie lantern).

Ok, I got Ostrander's Suicide Squad series and the Blue and Gold arc of BG, but the Suicide Squad was where I first saw Ted in action, and, imo, is one of the best runs in comic book history. DC, typically, hasn't reprinted it yet, but do yourself a favor and track down Ostrander's original 65 issue SS run. It's fucking amazing.

So... what you're all saying is...
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
02:24:33 PM
Joe Q does an awesome job, right?
On the other hand...
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
02:30:21 PM
I'm really excited by Dark Reign in general and especially by Skaar's coming to Earth. I haven't been reading his series but the idea of Hulk having a family and finally putting aside the 'Hulk Smash' persona is very compelling to me. Bruce has always been my fave Marvel character (Not Hulk, Bruce), and it pains me that he immediately reverted to stupid Hulk after WWH. Supposedly that's going to be explained and I cannot wait for that. Also, I cannot wait for Jeph Loeb to fucking fuck off with his inc(red)ibly lame Red Hulk who is far too powerful and weakens the entire Marvel Universe as a result. Yeah, he sucks that much. He fucking 'killed' Silver Surfer and Terrax. That's just stupid and, as I said, weakens the structure of the Marvel Universe. Ugh.
Red Robin is a hamburger chain.
by Snookeroo
Jun 17th, 2009
02:44:03 PM
Maybe Batman eats there. Probably too many carbs, though.
A Hamburge Chain!?!?
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
02:45:27 PM
Tie Me Up!
I am saying that (about Joe Q)
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
02:49:18 PM
Yes-- I think what happened with Spider-Man was uninspired and retarded, and hasn't led to better stories that couldn't have been told otherwise; I think decompressed storytelling designed to replicate movie and TV rhythms is a sham; I also have general disdain for Bendis' writing and semi-disdain for Millar's writing (Millar, at least, can be exciting). The DC characters, for whatever reason, at this moment in time, mean more to me than Marvels. And with all that said, I have to admit that Marvel is running their universe like a well-oiled machine, and writers are syncing across titles with exceptional dexterity, creating the impression of one vast story, in a world with its own pulse. And many writers are taking the current condition of its universe and characters and telling some really inspired stories. Like Hercules, for Christ's sake. Or Agents of Atlas. Or the dimensions of characterization now being given to generations of villains. And the story has a lot of forward momentum. Lots of things happening with lots of ramifications.

And then over at DC, its all a bugaboo, with even the creators seeming vaguely confused about just what's supposed to be going on in their own backyard.

Gather around and piss on Dr. Doom, Marvel
by cookylamoo
Jun 17th, 2009
02:49:21 PM
Bust him, Jail him, replace him, humiliate him. He's still the best fucking villain in comics.
Red Robin
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
02:50:09 PM
Yeah, since I moved to Texas, I've been seeing them everywhere. I had no idea it was Tim tho. I thought they gave Jason Todd a series. That's weird. And changing his name, to me, is an insult to his (biological)father and diminishes the impact of Identity Crisis, one of the most emotionally affecting comics I've ever read.
Cookylamoo
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
02:53:21 PM
Damn straight. Doom is one of the best CHARACTERS in comics. He doesn't know he's a bad guy, and that's why I love him. He's the hero of his own story. Did you read Brubaker's Books of Doom? Freaking amazing retelling of Doom's origin.
Tim's name change
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
02:56:01 PM
Yeah-- what's that about? "My father raised me till I was seventeen, then he died in my arms after being killed because I'm a super-hero. Now I'm gonna change my name to the billionaire's who adopted me. Good thing Dad's dead, or he'd probably be pissed!"
Sorry for the bombardment.
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
02:56:49 PM
It's a slow day at work, and the comics columns usually crash my computer for some reason. So when I actually get to these TBs, I like to make it count.
Damian is a clone?
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
02:57:39 PM
I don't know. When I heard that I got more confused. I perceive other explanations. Like some sort of genetic fertilization or a bizarre experiment on the embryo. YOU see, of course Morrison knows this digs up Son of the Demon. It was a good story and I would have loved to see it become canon. This looks like it's not. It also sounds like Batman never had sex with Talia at all.
It must be Superboy Prime's fault
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
02:59:52 PM
him and that pesky wall he kept punching.
Laserhead
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
03:00:20 PM
I think the eds at DC have become crack-addicted gibbons. And not Dave Gibbons, like monkey-gibbons. They seem like they're not even paying attention anymore. Me, I like continuity, that's why I'm a Marvel Zombie again.

And not the flesh-eating kind.

Hamburger chain...
by Mr.FTW
Jun 17th, 2009
03:05:55 PM
Yeah, they have a heart clogger called the Royal Red Robin Burger, it comes with a ridiculous amount of bacon, multiple cheeses and a fried egg on it.
passages about damian on Wiki
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
03:09:09 PM
"Genetically perfected and grown in an artificial womb, Damian was intended to be a formidable warrior." I didn't think it was possible but this confuses me even more.
Damian asks his Grandfather....
by cookylamoo
Jun 17th, 2009
03:17:58 PM
"So Ra's, when are you going to invite ME to the desert for a pointless sword fight."
C'mon.
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
03:18:30 PM
Bruce has laid more chicks than a hen at a Tyson farm. Just make Son of the Demon canon already.

Just another example of DC dropping the ball and kicking it onto a neighbor's roof.

its so gay that Tim is jealous of that
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
03:20:06 PM
sniveling little shit Damian. I agree that it's out of character. It sounds like they are giving him a identity complex. O boy! I can't wait for him to take on as many personas as Jason Todd.
Cooky-
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
03:24:42 PM
Don't you mean a shirtless sword fight?

Ra's will not fight you unless you're both topless.

I have the same rule
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
03:29:19 PM
Hahahaa cookylamoo
by Rufferto
Jun 17th, 2009
03:29:33 PM
that's gold right there.
For me it's pantsless fighting.
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
03:32:45 PM
Talk about leveling the playing field.
Tim Drake should be the new Blue Beetle.
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
03:53:17 PM
Fuck Jaime Reyes. Fuck him up his stupid ass. I hope Ted explodes out of the scarab, tearing JR into little chunks.

Tim really had an appreciation for Ted when they were in Birds of Prey. In fact, the idea was that Tim was going to quit being Robin and become the new Beetle, with Ted taking an 'Oracle' position. DC nixed the idea after the seeds had already been sown, leaving Ted with an unnecessary heart condition that was promptly ignored in the DCU at large and ridiculed in ICBINTJL.

Which WAS supposed to be canon, until DC decided they were just going to start making shit up and ignoring whatever didn't fit with their new 'ideas'.

Fuck DC.

Damn, that new FF storyline sound cool.
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
04:05:03 PM
I may get the trade of it. Doom is definitely my 3rd favorite character in comics. Doom vs Prehistoric Whale-Shark? Illustrated by Brian Hitch? Yeah, that's worth a few of my bucks. Especially since I get a 35% discount on my trades.
Anyone interested in
by Series7
Jun 17th, 2009
04:13:55 PM
Somemore reviews feel free check out Mymavra. Having some technical difficulties right now so there are no spaces and the comment section is down for right now.

http://tinyurl.com/kwffox

Ted...
by Joenathan
Jun 17th, 2009
04:24:22 PM
Its not really versus...
I have to admit, in "Blackest Night"
by cookylamoo
Jun 17th, 2009
04:29:07 PM
I'm going to be rooting for the Zombies.
Joe
by TedKordLives
Jun 17th, 2009
04:30:24 PM
Right, he's pretty fucked up at that point. At least, that's what it sounds like. Still...
Not as gay as that Imperial Shock Trooper Statue.
by cookylamoo
Jun 17th, 2009
04:30:30 PM
The Emperor lets his troops wear pink now?
As simple, logical reason for Red Robin's quest
by Laserhead
Jun 17th, 2009
04:44:32 PM
The last image of FC, when Bruce is drawing the image of a bat on a cave wall? In a couple places all over the globe, new cave drawings have appeared that were previously unrecorded but still date as being hundreds of thousands of years old, and they look like Batman's emblem. Dick thinks he's grasping at straws and blinded by grief, but Tim insists on leaving to investigate. A secret evil group is also investigating and comes into combat with him.

Or you could go with 'Wah-wah nobody loves me, I'm going to search the world for no particular reason and with no discernible plan. Wah-wah."

Laser
by optimous_douche
Jun 17th, 2009
04:59:25 PM
Would you please take over writing duties on Red Robin?

That's a great explanation, that should be in a book somewhere.

*looks at the DC-talk* *hangs head* *sighs*
by Thalya
Jun 17th, 2009
05:33:53 PM
This is why I haven't been to my LCS in weeks..

It's sad that DC's fallen so far - they had a pretty great ballgame going in the prelude to Infinite Crisis (which was when I got onboard comics - and mind you, this was back in the days of House of M and Civil War when Marvel could do no right). But ever since IC DC's kind of crashed and burned with poor editorial communication and seemingly-delayed storylines that went on forever and didn't satisfy for the hype. Why does it seem like the 52 writers had big big ideas for immediate stories, but then put off those ideas for a year or two as DC decided to milk the interim filler as though it were two cows instead of a single goat?

I never thought I'd say it, but kudos to Marvel for playing a better, larger game, comics and movies.


I will say though, I agree on Booster Gold, definitely a bright spot in my pull list that one. Even better that it's Jurgens' baby still, he's doing great work on it, and it's situated in a better context in the DCU and story engine-wise.

That, and, really - skip the big name Batbooks! Manhunter's still being written by Andreyko and Dini's writing reformed Riddler and Harley Quinn! 'Nuff said!
Erin Gray - major babe.
by hallmitchell
Jun 17th, 2009
05:48:35 PM
That brings back memories.
Walking Dead and Red Robin
by Homer Sexual
Jun 17th, 2009
06:24:46 PM
Let's start with Tim Drake Wayne. I never followed the Robin comic but always enjoyed the character in Teen Titans. From reading here, it really sounds like Tim's been ruined as a character. Bummer because he was somewhat fleshed out in TT, neither the second-fiddle playa that Dick was nor the Dark Asshole that Bruce was. Sounds like he's now got the worst of all worlds, with a seriously retarded name to boot.

I was at my LTS (local tattoo shop) talking some comics and I mentioned that I think Kirkman blows, that he is one-dimensional and can't (also doesn't) write women at all, not even in Marvel Zombies. I liked him in MZ1, but 2 sucked. Also, he destroyed Ultimate X-Men. Destroyed.It.

I have read 2 volumes of Walking Dead and find it very entertaining. But his characters are still not very well developed, again especially the women. Also, it is not very original. I think Kirkman is ok and that's about it. So he's fine when he isn't full of himself.

Finally, while being an old guy, I kind of like Pet Avengers, except that I HATE anything affiliated with Aunt May. Also, why are all the animals male? The art, I must say, is pretty great.

BRING BACK DOOM AND THE MASTERS
by Series7
Jun 17th, 2009
06:26:23 PM
Of Evil. Man I loved that thing.
Reformed Harley Quinn?
by CarmillaVonDoom
Jun 17th, 2009
06:47:54 PM
Sounds like a horrible, horrible idea. Right up there with the "heroic" Catwoman. Riddler, I can see that (barely)
Harley? Reformed?
by Thalya
Jun 17th, 2009
07:35:30 PM
I mistyped. Or, at least from the BftC: The Underground lead-in, it sounds like the whole cast of Gotham City Sirens will be delightfully gray zone. How Harley, the Catwomen, Poison Ivy, and Riddler will all get along, let alone be squeaky clean is beyond me.
Coming late to the party.....
by gooseud
Jun 17th, 2009
07:39:44 PM
1. How did the Kid NOT review Pet Avengers? Thats the most epic gaffe I've ever seen in this column, that should have been right in his wheelhouse. The Kid: "Screw that kiddy Pet Avengers crap, when is Herogasm #2 comin out??" 2. Walking Dead has been killin it, Kirkman is a mad genius but somehow keeps that book from flying off the rails (although just barely, usually). I disagree that people arent characterized. I've always said this, but Adlard's art sucks. Its always sucked. He is the reason you cant tell the difference between half the characters in the book. If you had a better artist, you wouldnt be saying people werent characterized. 3. God, that whole DC pooch-screwing on Batman sounds so incredibly lame, so his fried body somehow ISNT dead? Leave it to DC to take a golden opportunity and just botch it to high heaven. I've said it before, but this just shows what a true bad ass MFer Brubaker is, that guy is God. His Cap run has taken DC as an entire company and sodomized it with no vaseline. 4. I'm not uber familiar with DC like down to the last detail, but I'm pretty casually familiar, so I need a little clarification: am I way off or was Superboy pretty awesome? Was he lame? I'm just going off his death in Infinite Crisis, which was pretty awesome and heroic. Am I barking up the wrong tree here?
Dr. Doom
by gooseud
Jun 17th, 2009
07:42:12 PM
is unquestionably awesome. One of the few villians who, if he conquered the world, might not actually kill millions of people and turn it into the cliched "Millar in Wanted and Old Man Logan" hell on earth.
Hawkman
by gooseud
Jun 17th, 2009
07:45:48 PM
Exhibit A of a character who, by all rights and appearences, should be awesome, but isnt, or at least appears to have been never utilized as an A team player. I think he is a victim, as a character, of the "no killing" ridiculousness in comics, as obviously if he ever actually hit a normal person with that mace they would die on the spot. So he is stuck with "He-Man the cartoon syndrome", where He-Man carried a sword but always preferred to take the villains and toss them in a mud puddle instead.
The Pet Avengers
by Continentalop
Jun 17th, 2009
08:11:32 PM
If Aragorn hadn't been killed and eaten in that horrible Punisher story involving one of Kraven's sons, he could have been a member.

Every animal team needs a flying horse.

Goose, Dr. Doom conquering the world
by Continentalop
Jun 17th, 2009
08:13:24 PM
You ever read "1984"? Imagine something like that. But with Doombots.

Dr. Doom's master
by Continentalop
Jun 17th, 2009
08:22:57 PM
I also have to say this sounds like a gimmick. Easiest way to give a villain cred is by making a story where he is tougher/more powerful/or higher up the chain than an already established villain. You want to prove how tough your cosmic villain is, you just write some lame line and have Reed Richards recite "His power level is greater than Galactus."

The only way this will work for me (and I have a feeling this is what Millar is planning) is if Doom defeats and destroys his Master in the end, proving that the student is now the master.

But truthfully, this is just a lazy way to introduce a new villain.

Lolthien
by OptimusCrime
Jun 17th, 2009
08:49:09 PM
Alright, I didn't know I came off as angry. I also read these things in leiu of the comics themselves, I just think "The Kid" writes like an 8 year old. I don't enjoy reading his reviews. Oh, and fuck yourself, you sanctimonious shit.
Danny
by Series7
Jun 17th, 2009
09:54:26 PM
You watching So You think you can Dance? What do you think of that new choreographer Sonya, I fucking hate her.
Shit wrong fucking
by Series7
Jun 17th, 2009
09:54:45 PM
Forum again.
Shit broke down fo real, in order:
by SleazyG.
Jun 18th, 2009
03:33:10 AM
Doom serves no one. FUCKING PERIOD.

Red Robin's burgers suck dick and the new issue completely misunderstood Tim Drake. PERIOD.

Ambush Bug is talkin' out his ass 'bout Tim Drake (no PERIOD or he'll punch me when I see him in a coupla days)

Damian, Son Of The Bat? To quote the greatest Cubs pitcher of all time, "my fuckin' ASS!" Bullshit idea executed bullshittily. Fuck that kid and everything he does. EVER.

And in closing, let me just say that although I adore the work put in by Mike Kunkel, I loved the one issue of SHAZAM by Baltazar and Franco more than all of Kunkel's combined cuz they weren't so dense and didn't try so hard. Dude, Mike: don't include an issue's worth of stuff in the first five pages!

I meant Cubs coach, not pitcher: :Lee Elia.
by SleazyG.
Jun 18th, 2009
04:09:40 AM
MY FUCKIN' ASS! Google his rant, kids--it's a thing a' beauty.
Thalya
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
06:46:11 AM
Right on, sister. I especially agree that it seemed like all these storylines were ready to explode out of IC (and they would have, if this were Marvel), and instead, creators have been sitting on them for two years, and trying awkwardly to make use of them now.

I'm a bigger fan of DC's characters, and I too have to say 'Well Done' to Marvel. I just can't fathom how it got this bad at DC, and every time I think things are maybe going to turn a corner and start working again, they get more and more fucked.

Series7....
by BangoSkank
Jun 18th, 2009
07:21:10 AM
Just admitted to watching "So you think you can Dance"!!! Brawhahahaha. Well played. You just made a talkback filled with comic nerds look cool.

And they said it couldn't be done.

I gave up on Millar's Fantastic Four, and unlike X-Factor, I'm not going back anytime soon. The first storyline didn't do much for me, I thought it was very so-so. Then the Christmas story in April pissed of the little kid in me (insert pedo joke here).... So screw it. I love Doom, but have never been that big of a FF fan... What can I say, revoke my Marvel Zombie membership card if you must.

Series 7
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
07:35:42 AM
Not only does he admit to watching 'So You Think You Can Dance', he's apparently trying to flirt with DannyGloversDickBlood. 'Yoo-hoo, Danny! Over here! ...Do you watch So You Think You Can Dance?'
DC is Picking Up
by optimous_douche
Jun 18th, 2009
08:13:31 AM
Just very very slowly. It’s going to be a real bitch for them to gain the velocity they need to escape from the black hole of bad decisions they’ve made over the past few years. What were those mistakes? Glad you asked.

Mistake number one was like all things these days, they tried to play on nostalgia with FINAL CRISIS and it backfired horribly. Why, because it was a bastardized version of the original, founded in greed instead of coming from the heart just like Dukes of Hazzard, Starsky & Hutch and the list goes on.

The original CRISIS worked because it had never been done before and editorial committed to the event whole heartedly, plus it was only a year, which seems to be the average fan’s tolerance level for “events.”

This time around it was a fucking three year adventure that forced you to buy, buy, buy to even have a modicum of understanding towards the event. I’m not going to bash the main title again, because there seems to be some genuine love for it out there. Love it or hate it though, I think we all will agree the build-up titles were unnecessary and added nothing of value.

So, we finally get past CRISIS, but sadly the lobotomized chimp that’s running scheduling at DC decides to deliver the “fresh start” while CRISIS was going on in some cases and in almost every case the reboots seem to why to still leverage past continuity, making for a garbled god damn mess that we see across all titles.

If you’re going to end the world and recreate it in your image, you have to be fully committed Mr. Didio.

Final Crisis deserves revisiting
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
08:41:00 AM
...if you like awesome comic books, that is. Just finished the hardcover collection. As a MONTHLY or BI-MONTHLY reading experience, FC was downright unpleasant, but this is the form that will last into posterity-- the 7 issues with Superman Beyond and Submit in the middle --and it's really, really fucking great. Emotional, exciting, dense as brick with ideas and arcs. Superman Beyond #2 was the best single-issue published anywhere last year, and read as a collection, the whole thing leans more toward that kind of thing.
optimous, re: "fully committed"
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
08:46:22 AM
I think that's THE major problem at DC right now: Didio is constantly changing horses mid-stream. They'll have a storyline in progress, and Didio asks a bunch of chumps at a convention 'what do they want to see happen', and then he runs back to the DC office giving the writers all new mandates while they're in the middle of a different story. And these mandates come from fucking convention attendees and Newsarama posters. What did Chuck Dixon say about him? Uses a ouija board to dictate storylines? Exactly.
Laser
by optimous_douche
Jun 18th, 2009
08:50:06 AM
I refuse to give them more of my money re CRISIS, but I'll look how they are layed out and give my single issues a reread.
I know this fan
by optimous_douche
Jun 18th, 2009
08:54:55 AM
Only wanted one thing from DC.

Let CRISIS blow everything (and I mean everything) the fuck up and then restart. Like I said before, we are kind of getting that now, but it just doesn't feel as grand as the first time around.

I actually thought the offshoot Crisis
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
08:58:53 AM
books werent bad. Submit was pretty cool, actually. Green Arrow's last stand (forget when that was) was pretty bad ass too. I've laways said, 60% of FC was actually an awesome idea, if presented by someone with the ability to tell a coherent story. The finale, however, was lame no matter who told it.
The Problem with DC.
by cookylamoo
Jun 18th, 2009
09:05:38 AM
Is there are the giants, Johns, Morrison, Simone and Winnick and all the other writers scramble around trying to to get stepped on. Case in point, Starlin's forced retraction of his Hawkman retcon and the exile of Dixon and McDuffie.
Sorry, I mean trying NOT to get stepped on.
by cookylamoo
Jun 18th, 2009
09:06:41 AM
Reading FC as a whole...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 18th, 2009
09:23:30 AM
Yeah, I plan to do that. But then again, if it reads better as a whole, then why the hell wasn't it distributed that way?

It's like saying, I love brownies, then someone making you eat two eggs, then a while later have to eat some flour, then a while later you get to eat some sugar, then a while later you get to eat some corn starch, then you get to eat food coloring, and then you're asked to jump up and down and DC tells you, voila! Brownies!

No DC! That's not brownies! That's not brownies at all! No! Those are ingredients of brownies I ate and it didn't fucking taste good! So why did you make me eat it that way when I could have sat down to a heaping plate of finished brownines and got my brownie on! Instead I now have a stomach ache!

Shit, I just revealed my grandma's secret brownie recepie in this post...
There's one thing DC could do that would fix most everything:
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
09:26:20 AM
Johns needs to retrench.

End of story.


(and for that matter, if he still needs to get his whack-a-character/instant pathos jones off, let him write a freakin' Bat-book already. Or maybe Lobo.)
gooseud
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
09:30:21 AM
As a collected edition, FC gels into a very coherent story, and it operates on the reader much, much better. I think it's a major work now. Seriously. I was one of the harshest critics of FC as it came out month to month, and I swear-- this is really great. The execution is much more effective in a single, continuous volume, rather than serialized sporadically over nine months.
WHOA-- did you just call Winnick a 'giant'?
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
09:34:28 AM
What the fucking fuck-fuck is that supposed to mean?
Wow...
by Mr.FTW
Jun 18th, 2009
09:44:03 AM
This has been by far the most civilized talk back I've seen on this column in a while.
Buck R sounds interesting
by BizarroJerry
Jun 18th, 2009
09:50:38 AM
But, are you perhaps over-stating the influence of the Gil Gerard TV show. Remembering it nostalgically is not that same as dominating yer youth. Let me add, though, that I saw a rerun of the show the other day and, Erin Gray in her shiny jumpsuit... that's some good stuff.
I think FC is a better read than COIE, period.
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
10:17:19 AM
I'm not sure I understand the need to have a 7-issue miniseries follow an action-Action-Action-ACTION-AC TION-ACTION!-ACTION!!!!!!!!!! format, issue by issue. Being a serial medium, yes, I understand that the ideal of the artform is to make each issue its own piece of goodness, something of a complete story unto itself, before regarding it as part of a larger whole. It's part of why I love "done-in-ones."

But following that template for a larger miniseries, as COIE and IC did, makes for crap storytelling in my opinion: both series had a bunch of random wouldn't-it-be-kewl? scenes but not too much connective tissue. The difference between those series is that with COIE, as Optimus mentions, DC committed to it and wasn't making LAST MINUTE REVISIONS IN THE MINI ITSELF, allowing Wolfman to follow-through on previous story points for a satisfying, operatic resolution.

I remember last year picking up FC #1 at WWP, sitting down to read it, and being quite satisfied with the initial build-up, as well as the ensuing slow build**. Just when you think things couldn't get much worse, they did, so that when Darkseid completely rose up at the end of #5 that moment had well-deserved impact that would've fallen flat otherwise. Morrison reaching for the stars, even if some felt the execution was lacking, was a true breath of fresh air, especially considering the mediocrity of most of DC's stable at the time it was released.

**No one would create comics of any value if they had to create based on the demands of such over-entitled fanboys, ye gods! DiDio bumbled yet again in overpromising, but the fanboys doth project too much over a 1-month total delay and a change in one top-notch artist for a few others, who were well-coordinated enough to each either handle different scenes or have those with the most similar styles sharing scenes.
crisis on infinite earths
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
10:36:35 AM
is nigh-unreadable in 2009. The over written cliche dialogue undoes all the admittedly awesome beats of the story. The Earth 2 Superman punching Anti-Monitor needed a simple, Eastwood in Unforgiven, "I'm sick of this shit" stare. Instead we get the groan inducing, "He felt a great rage rise in his breast as he stood to face down the unremitting pure evil of his foe" blah blah blah blah type stuff. Its the reason that honestly, I never read Buzz's "Collected Masterworks of ______" reviews and skipped them as much as I ever do the Kid (All due respect, Buzz). I cant read the dialogue to those old books, just cant get past it.
Laserhead
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
10:44:38 AM
Yeah I realize that post was very bad. But 2 hours of hot chicks dancing got me laid last night, so I'm not worried about it. And just because Danny won't return your advances doesn't mean you gotta hate. And I don't think that admiting that I watch So you think you can takes away from any of the nerdyness that is comic books. Besides, read Bang! Tango, dancing has made its way to comics now anyway.
COIE
by optimous_douche
Jun 18th, 2009
11:01:59 AM
I'll agree the dialogue today just doesn't fly, I was referring more to the execution.

The pay off and how it changes the DCU seemed more cohesive, just simply more important.

The death of Supergirl and Barry Allen had lasting effects.

This "Is Bruce Wayne dead or isn't he shit" is simply absurd.

I didn't hold COIE in my hands at the end and go, "what the fuck just happened, did the rubiks cube save the world or not, where is Bruce Wayne, there's a multi-verse, but no monitors??????"

Goose/Doom
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
11:05:43 AM
He was shown in Old Man Logan and DIDN'T attack Wolverine and I think was Emma Frost's husband, so he was providing a haven for Mutants... in short... you and Millar are in agreement... HA!
Lamer than your last post.
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
11:10:17 AM
Note the desperate attempt to justify watching that with the old, unprovable saw, "it got me laid." Sure thing, buddy. You know what gets me laid? Being awesome.

Maybe if you send Danny an FTD bouquet, you'll get his attention.

Continentalop
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
11:11:29 AM
Doom's Master doesn't make it ou of this story, I bet. This is just a hidden history of Doom type reveal coupled with a reminder of just how bad ass Doom is because he's about to be front and center again when he nd Namor double cross Osborn... and there ain't nothing wrong with that!
I'd love to sit in on the DC retreat
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
11:31:48 AM
I mean, how do you think they refer to FC? Those meetings must be ridiculously tense.
How they refer to FC
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
11:37:46 AM
Beleaguered Writer: Um... remember that thing, all last year, that, um, happened?...Um, have we decided that that really happened yet? Or was it all a dream?

Didio: Eh, a little of both. I'll tell you in a couple weeks, after I attend this convention and find out what the audience wants us to write.

Joe
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
11:48:08 AM
Millar and I agree on several things. The awesomeosity of Doom being one of them. His ULT FF run was excellent. Millar isnt without talent, he can write big screen brain dead action with the best of them (I mean that as a compliment, FYI). He was born for the Ultimate line, where he can kill anyone he wants and not worry about little things like continuity or previously established character traits. He alse doesnt seem to try hard enough to suit my tastes, and he is best in small doses, over time of writing a title his returns seem to diminish as his limited bag of tricks runs out. And he wouldnt be my first choice to write the secret history of Doom, thats for damn sure, god help us on that.
Well you seem to be knee deep
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
11:48:11 AM
In DC, all the cool kids are reading Marvel these days. DC sucks.
So, am I the only one that loves DC right now?
by Thrillho77
Jun 18th, 2009
11:53:00 AM
I think Green Lantern and this Blackest Night stuff is just the cat's pajamas. Also, I really like this Batman stuff. They bungled his death, but I like everywhere that they are going in its aftermath!
Actually
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
11:53:31 AM
What the fuck is an FTD bouquet? Is that some DC reference?
Having said that
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
11:56:51 AM
His Old MAn Logan finale was......adequate, I guess. The idea of a 178 year old Red Skull being able to hang with Logan for even a split second is ludicrous, as is the fact the Logan seems to be aging at the same rate as Hawkeye did, even though Logan.....doesnt age at the same rate Hawkeye does (ooooops). Having said that, it was adequate and paid off at the end the way everyone wanted it to.
DC doesnt suck
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
11:58:07 AM
as long as they keep publishing Secret Six. Anytime any Marvel Zombie starts going off about how DC blows, just silently hold up that book and its like "OH.....right".
Does DC even have retreats?
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
11:59:59 AM
Isn't that more a Marvel thing unless it's a specific project? The way the company is right now at that, it probably wouldn't be a good thing to get everyone in a room together with DiDio. Or, on second thought..

And Series7, all the "cool" kids have always read Marvel. That's their schtick.
AS time goes on
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
12:00:28 PM
an with benefit of hindsight, it becomes clearer and clearer that, as Goose has been saying for years, Identity Crisis for the first 6 issues was indeed friggin awesome. I've been the lone voice in the wilderness on that one for a while, but every botched event that goes by, my team gets a little bigger.
Laserhead -- I do watch So You Think You Can Dance.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Jun 18th, 2009
12:03:10 PM
Does that make me homosexual? I watch a dance show, so now I suck dick, eh? What are we in the 3rd fucking grade?

Thats like me pointing out the fact that you read funny books so you must enjoy the thought of fucking a child in his car seat.

Fuck off with this simple minded bullshit, you dull unoriginal twat.

Good day.

Silly wabbit, Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
12:06:54 PM
Old Man Logan isn't over, don't try to spread misinformation just cause you're mad that you accidentally agreed with Millar...
Hey Zar
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:09:05 PM
just posted something in the wrong TB again. At least this time it was just the word Krull. Not as bad.
Can I join your team, Goose?
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
12:10:10 PM
So long as, y'know, you aren't piloting Navy fighter jets?
Secret Six
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:11:42 PM
Yeah I've been meaning to pick that up. But it seems like the only one that gets away from DC's continuty at all.
The cover for the next Old Man Logan
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:14:04 PM
Gives away the whole fucking thing.
Who said you suck dick you freak?
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
12:30:17 PM
Have you come to haunt this talkback with your cunt-mouth? What happened, did Series 7 say, Danny, Danny, somebody's talking about you!

Read the post, you felching shit-stain. I was ribbing Series 7 about posting here, and now, what, you've got to high-tail it over to toss some insults? Christ, Dickblood, I understand that posting on Aint-It-Cool-News represents the high-water mark in your life's achievement, but nobody really cares if you watch Dancing with the Stars.

So eat 7's taint and fuck off to whatever talkback you're currently using as the only gateway for attention you'll ever have. Douche.

What's that?
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
12:31:15 PM
Does it show him cuttin' somebody?

Fucking spoilers.
And Series 7
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
12:32:02 PM
Did you really just run to find DannyGloversDickBlood and say, "Help, Help Danny! Somebody's making it sound like I'm gay for you!"

You should be ashamed. But obviously you have a higher shame threshold than most.

Huh..lookee there...
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
12:32:45 PM
Robinson and Bagley on JLA in October.
The cover of old man
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:33:33 PM
Shows all of Hulks family dead with Wolverine standing over them in front of a cave with the Hulk trying to bust out of the cave like he's stuck. How'd he get in there in the first place?
Laserhead
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:34:24 PM
It was So You Think You Can Dance, not Dancing with the Stars. Don't pretend like you don't know the difference.
Laserhead -- fuck you.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Jun 18th, 2009
12:37:26 PM
That is all.
Series7
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
12:37:47 PM
He went in through the backdoor. Hulk love backdoor
Danny, just relax
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
12:39:56 PM
Take a deep breath, and calm down. He'll call back.

And if he doesn't call back, it means he's just not that into you? And you know what? That's fine. Plenty of fish in the sea. Chin up, buddy.

Did Thalya.........
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
12:40:46 PM
just hit on me? Dude i think I just got a quarter chub.........wait, Thalya's a chick, right? What if Thalya actually isnt a chick and I just got a quarter chub, does that mean I'm actually gay? Homer, consult STAT!!
Winnick a 'giant'?
by cookylamoo
Jun 18th, 2009
12:44:01 PM
No. But Didio treats him like one.
ROFL OML's cover gives it away?!?!
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
12:44:07 PM
NO! Say it isnt so!! That's like spoiling the ending of Usual Suspects or Fight Club there Wait, I'm gonna guess.....he kills the Hulk gang? Do I need a spoiler warning there?
Laserhead -- ok I'm calm now....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Jun 18th, 2009
12:44:13 PM
....and you got what you've been begging for. I mentioned your name in a post!! I directly communicated with you! Now you can tell all your buddies at the comic shop next time you're cruisin' for 9 year olds!!

YES!!

Winnick is a giant
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
12:46:40 PM
a giant black hole of suck that destroys anything that is awesome within its cold, black interior.
Its not so much of a spolier
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:48:21 PM
Just lame. I mean what if they put the death of Red Skull on the cover of the last issue? I mean we knew he would do it, just hoping it would be something cooler.
Series7 -- I'll talk to you later.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Jun 18th, 2009
12:50:14 PM
Give me a call around 8 Pacific Time, thats when my girl goes to night class..... you fucking little flirt.
Ok
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:51:29 PM
Poopems! We can talk and debate about who we thought should've gotten voted off.
Yeesh, Danny
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
12:51:32 PM
Look, life's full of disappointments. And whatever you thought was or wasn't going to happen at that glory hole in the men's bathroom under the overpass last night... well, that's not what happened. And you don't need to carry this anger around with you. If you're meant to make a special connection, it'll happen. If not, so be it. You've always got the accomplishment of your AICN posts, which nobody can take away from you. Let those doctors and lawyers and writers have their money and fancy cars. You got yours.

Remember, 'When God closes one door, he opens another.' Even if that door's to the men's room.

I prefer the quote:
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Jun 18th, 2009
12:54:56 PM
"Nobody can go back and make a new start. Anyone can start from now and make a new ending,"
that wasn't funny.
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
12:57:03 PM
I don't think it even made sense.
Series7/Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
01:17:14 PM
But hey, what if its intentionally misleading... What if they're all just sleeping?
Also
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
01:18:39 PM
yes, Goose. You are now gay, thats how it happens. First you mistake a guy for a girl, next thing you know... throw pillows everywhere.
Yes, I'm a chick, Goose, but you'll have to get in line behind m
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
01:19:21 PM
..Weather Wiz---erk, Calcul.. augh, the nanites are messing with me again. Do you want tofurkey? I have to go kayak before the book deal.


Seriously, I heart Identity Crisis for the most part too. THAT club. :)
Robinson on JLA
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
01:20:28 PM
Has Robinson written a single decent thing since he came back from writing terrible film scripts in Hollywood? All his modern work is really, really awful right now. At least what I've seen of it.
m = my lord and master..
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
01:20:52 PM
Stupid truncated subjects.
Spoke too soon
by Mr.FTW
Jun 18th, 2009
01:21:10 PM
I guess I jinxed the talk back by mentioning the civility this time around, sorry to everyone that wanted to read and talk about comics.
Not your fault FTW
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
01:24:43 PM
It's still civil. Except for one very, very confused young man.
Joenathan
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
01:25:38 PM
maybe Logan is setting up a Romeo and Julliett Type ending.
Yeah Mr.FTW
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
01:26:43 PM
Laserhead still isn't sure if he should let his parents know about his rollerblading hobby.
Series7
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
01:28:10 PM
I bet it ends in a dance number, Bollywood style!
Joenathan
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
01:30:06 PM
We don't talk about dancing around here.
Its Millar
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
01:32:51 PM
Its gonna be a killing spree ending, not a walking off into the sunset ending like Ultimate Hulk Vs. Wolverine. Maybe Hulk will turn out to be Logan's father.
Oh they already know all about it
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
01:34:11 PM
What they're unclear on is why anyone would waste their precious time on earth watching amateur dancing competitions.

Just kidding! My parents are dead.

James Robinson
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
01:51:11 PM
has lost the ability to write. I've mentioned this in the talkbacks before, but he had one good story in him: Starman. Thats it. Its his greatest accomplishment and magnum opus. Unfortunately, its pretty much all he had in the tabk. He left Starman to go to Hollywood scriptwriting due to "burnout"....AKA he was out of ideas. He literally hasnt written anything of value since the day he left Starman. Bizarre and highly dissapointing.
Thalya
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
01:53:53 PM
I'll have Barry White, chocolate covered strawberries, some silk sheets, and the Identity Crisis TBs waiting for you.
Robinson
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
02:00:43 PM
I agree Goose. I hadn't read any of his new stuff till fairly recently. I've only checked out his Superman work but its all been really bad. Not even 'kinda bad.' Even his new afterwards in the Starman Omnibuses read sort of badly; they have an really inflated sense of accomplishment and are a bit reproachful and judgmental toward other people in the business. Plus-- how can you so badly fuck-up a film adaptation of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? All you have to do is just transcribe those first six issues and maybe combine some scenes.
Robinson wrote one other good comic besides STARMAN:
by SleazyG.
Jun 18th, 2009
02:02:41 PM
The fun, upbeat, all-ages LEAVE IT TO CHANCE. It was a great little book, and deserved a much bigger audience. But yeah, that seems to be where it ended. How well he does with the upcoming JLA miniseries should be an indicator of how he'll do on the main title--unless it's now been rolled *into8 the main title. I should check on that.
The state of DC
by Mr.FTW
Jun 18th, 2009
02:10:12 PM
It might be in shambles right now but here's hoping Johns can fix a lot of it with Blackedt Night.

Here's hoping he can do without getting overloaded or burned out first too.

Ooh, goodies! You're so thoughtful! Thanks Goose!
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
02:15:07 PM
Now scamper along and get me some Asti while I settle in for "private time" with my main man Noah Kuttler here.. You can shut the door on your way out both times.
Series7
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
02:16:30 PM
Here's what actually happens. The baby you saw nursing in the first issue, is the Hulk from the future in Millar's FF run. Logan wipes out the whole clan, except the baby, who he then raises as his own, eventually adopting the Hooded Man persona for the day he travels back in time to fight the FF and save the future.
James Robinson
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
02:17:29 PM
Also wrote the GOLDEN AGE - A DC Elseworlds comic that is pretty good and worth tracking down.
Laserhead/Robinson
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
02:19:56 PM
At first I assumed it was two different people, but nope... the LoEG film goes beyond terrible and is the prime example of: Why bother paying for the rights at all, if you're not interested in the actual story?
Golden Age is great
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
02:20:20 PM
Paul Smith's art is awesome, and the original Manhunter got some good screen time.
Golden Age is good
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
02:22:24 PM
Leave it to Chance.. meh... depends on your taste. Personally, I never enjoyed Archie or Nancy Drew or Little Lulu, so...
The Twelve
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
02:23:34 PM
I was hoping for, basically, a longer Golden Age. Unfortuantly, all I got was "longer"

Screw you, JMS.
Joen Carrie Bucky
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
02:26:35 PM
Doesn't do much in Cap 600, pretty much what you saw in the preview that they had up is what you get. Do you think Bru is trying to prove that he is the greatest comic-book writer in the universe by making Heroes Reborn cool? "Watch me turn this poop sandwich into a steak-um!”
why can't we just kill off
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
02:31:45 PM
Superheroes for good.
The Twelve
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
02:34:18 PM
Seriously with that book. It's like he forgot he was writing it. He's going to wake up in 2040 and suddenly be like, "shit, I gotta get that TWELVE script in!"
Twelve
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
02:36:51 PM
Does JMS even maintain a pretense of intending to finish this any more? I thought that since he was moving over to the Archie characters for DC, he'd just decided to scrap the Twelve, and nobody's coming out and saying it.
RE: The Twelve
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
02:42:14 PM
I'm trying to remember, back when they were both coming out at the same time, was there a general consensus on which book was better - The Twelve or Project Superpowers?
That would be a feat
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
02:42:55 PM
Imagine if he were able to make people refer to heroes Reborn in a positive way? Bucky Carrie is awesome. SHE WAS CREATED BY LIEFELD! ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!
The consensus
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
02:45:30 PM
Project Superpowers blows. The Twelve used to not blow, but know it blows as well.

DC and Marvel should start putting fines in their contracts for failure to deliver within an alloted time frame.
Bru: Bucky Carrie
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
02:50:41 PM
It would be like the ultimate feat. Bigger then bringing back regular Bucky. I'm a tad concerned. It could turn into his Waterloo…
Actually, "Firearm" by Robinson was very good.
by cookylamoo
Jun 18th, 2009
02:57:01 PM
I've got the whole Malibu Comics series PLUS the VHS taped episode. Envy me.
The Twelve is up
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
02:57:59 PM
For a couple of Eisners, maybe if he wins he'll finish it.
Firearm
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
03:06:01 PM
Firearm
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
03:07:22 PM
Came with a VHS tape? Cooky tell us more. Sounds awesome!
I'm finished with the Twelve
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
03:13:13 PM
Even if he finishes it, I'm not buying it. This is what JMS does. He is incapable of finishing a project on time and well done. He is all show and no go. HACK!
Firearm?
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
03:17:38 PM
I remember Harcase and the one about the random people on the Trolley who all got powers (which is still a good idea for a series, even if this one was poorly done), but Firearm? It sounds so familiar. Ah... Malibu... there used to be so many d-list superhero universes.
The curse of Leifeld
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
03:19:54 PM
Is Bru fu stronger than the awesome sucking power of the Leifeld? You're right, Steve, this is a titanic battle in the making, with the fate of Bucky Carrie, nay, the entire extended Captain America cast, hanging in the balance.
Fines...
by Mr.FTW
Jun 18th, 2009
03:27:03 PM
I agree, the day and age of delays shouldn't exist anymore. If you're an artist or a writer it's their job to churn out product. Production delays shouldn't be tolerated.
Robinson's Golden Age
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
03:29:24 PM
Was one of the few comics in the modern age to present the Ultra-Humanite as a truly dangerous villain (the other being Generations).

I love the white ape Ultra, but that image just made people think he can't be all evil. Just look at his golden age appearances people - one of the evilest villains ever.

That is why I don't like long arcs Joe
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
03:31:31 PM
Unless you have proven you are a reliable writer who makes deadlines (Bru for example), all comic book stories should be three story arcs max. And this especially goes for Hollywood guys like Smith and JSM who are easily distracted.
3 story arcs
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
03:54:54 PM
Thats like nine issues! JMS couldn't even do tht.
Bru/Leifeld
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
03:55:14 PM
Exactly. It's the story of the year! Talk about nerves of steel. Is it confidence or hubris? He has thrown down the gauntlet, if he pulls it off he should get like a big WWF Championship belt to wear around the bullpen. I’m thinking that’s why Cap has been slow of late, he has been steeling himself for the ultimate comic book writing battle of his life! He’s Captain America and Leifeld/Heroes Reborn Bucky is Thanos. Go Bru go!
Bendis is reliable
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
03:58:32 PM
The guys a comic book writing machine... except for powers, but I can understand sacrificing your own stuff for the paid work you agreed to do.
Firearm WAS good
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
03:59:04 PM
forgot that one, but yeah, Firearm was quality, which shouldnt be surprising as Robinson USED to be a quality writer. Whoever said his Starman Omnibus afterwards are snotty is correct, I actually found his afterward for Vol. 2 fascinating, as he actually rips Tony Harris in a kind of indirect, distant way. Which is of course ridiculous, as Tony Harris is the tits and him leaving after the 1st six issues is what has kept Walking Dead from achieving iconic status. I dont really care about The Twelve, I was always in the distinct minority that found it horrible overrated even at the time. Once oyu figure out the hook (heroes adjusting to modern times), I found it sort of meh. Very competent, and I would have finished it up if he had bothered putting it out, but I'm not heartbroken it died, whatever. Aside from general consternation that you could just up and walk away midstream from a 12 issue miniseries. DUDE, ITS A MINISERIES!! YOU CANT FINISH TWELVE GODDAMN ISSUES???
The one thing in Bru's favor
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
04:00:43 PM
I couldn't tell you anything about Bucky Carrie, or her personality, for the life of me... maybe Bru just picked out the youngest, limping deer from the Liefeld herd?
Cap actually......
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
04:03:33 PM
HAS been slow of late. Really slow actually. I just tend to hold off criticism a bit as Bru has built up alot of equity with me. Also, I also get the sense of Bru holding back and sandbagging a bit. Clearly, BuckyCap is a quality character and Bru is the bee's knees, so its not the topic or the talent slowing things down, it seems more of a conscious decision to slow it down a tad. I will say this, if Bru pulls this off, does he become the undisputed best writer in comics? Better then BKV, Morrison, and Johns? Maybe he knows the only way to take the crown from BKV is to pull off something so outrageous and impossible that no one could ever deny him.
Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
04:04:21 PM
He made it to eight, and he ouldn't finish. whattadick.
Lets ask Joe
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
04:04:27 PM
Lets hear it: IS Bru the best writer alive if he can somehow pull this off?
Never really dug The Twelve either
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
04:06:32 PM
I would have preferred if they stayed in the Golden Age - I love a good GA story (Roy Thomas' All-Star Squadron was one of my first comics).

I think I would have found it more interesting if they weren't adjusting to the modern era but life after WWII. Publishing wise, it was a period where most super-hero comics died; comic book continuity wise, it was an era where they didn't have a clear enemy like the Nazis anymore.

Cap slow?
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
04:07:05 PM
A little, I have noticed it, not as much as I do with Daredevil of late, but enough. If he makes Bucky Carrie cool, he easily tops BVK and Johns, but I don't know about Morrison... I mean, Grant did take out Darkseid with Connor Hawke Green Arrow and the Atom, after all...
Continentalop
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
04:09:44 PM
I am with you. I'd love a good WWII superhero comic, both at home and "over there" in dirty dozen/band of brothers type missions and then life afterwards. Sounds awesome. Life after WWII gave birth to noir, I'd love to see someone good tackle that time period
Plus Joe
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
04:14:57 PM
You have such a long list of Timely characters who have basically been forgotten. Here you could actually KILL - yes KILL - characters pretty easily and permanently, making the danger level much higher.

Does anyone really think that Moon Man, Captain Terror or original Falcon are to big not to be killed? No one is safe.

Marvel, make this happen.

And forgot to mention Bru needs to write it
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
04:17:06 PM
He is doing the Cap: the truth series
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
04:23:04 PM
or whatever its called. That ought to be interesting.
Good Point
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
04:26:45 PM
I don't remember a thing about Bucky Carrie either. But when I saw her again, a cold shiver went down my spine. Like something awful had happened and I blocked it out...even those most limping Liefeld deer has evil powers that we can barely comprehend.
Bru
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
04:34:47 PM
I think to get the undisputed comic book writing crown he would also need to be given and pull off a big company-wide crossover mini-series book. He hasn't done that yet. Like if Marvel gave him Secret Wars III and he knocked it out of the park. In fact they should do that right now.
Thats true
by Joenathan
Jun 18th, 2009
04:43:57 PM
Bru has yet to take center stage in Marvel, even though Cap and Daredevil are awesome, the books themselves hover around the edges of the Marvel Universe. Maybe that will change with Cap though, and Bru will be more marquee, but that has to happen before he does an Event and if he can make Bucky Carrie cool (was that thunder...?) AND can pull off an Event that doesn't fizzle alittle at the end... then... well then... he's at least within spitting distance of Morrison for best ever
Gooseud-- the Starman Omnibus Afterword
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
05:55:35 PM
Yeah... it's off-putting, right?! Robinson is actually passively-aggressively belligerent to Tony Harris, and anyone who doubted his superstardom as a writer. Robinson writes those afterwords like he's Stanley Kubrick giving a career retrospective! Shit, man, at least PRETEND to be good-natured and humble, for the sake of posterity.
Marvel SHOULD give Bru Secret Wars III
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
05:58:50 PM
And it should wrap up the final days of Dark Reign. I would love that.

Meanwhile, I look over at DC, and their poor writers are wondering which of their characters are still alive to play with... and no one can answer them.

Just saw the
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
06:02:40 PM
Trailer for A Perfect Gateway, and got to say. Any movie with NIN in the trailer has to be good.
Fuck me
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
06:03:43 PM
Did it again. At least this time I can say I was drinking.
Series
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
06:13:39 PM
Looks like you picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
I used to drink during the day
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
06:15:11 PM
And post at the same time. Then I stopped.

Posting while I was drinking in the middle of the day, I mean.

Starman omnibus afterword
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
06:30:29 PM
Yeah I kept waiting for Robinson to back off of Tony Harris a little, but instead he just was kind of like "And......we still dont talk at all, and will probably never work together again. The End." Bizarre, I mean even if its true, why write it? Thats, in hindsight, one of the flaws of Starman: Robinson's arrogance creeping through in the writing. I didnt notice at the time, because any arrogance was justified, as that was far and away one of the best comics of the 90's (and still really hasnt been duplicated in its tone and quirky oddness, it really does stand alone in style, before or since). MAke no mistake, Starman was a crowning comics achievement, the problem is Robinson is fully aware of it, and makes sure everyone around him knows too.
Especially since
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
06:32:52 PM
Tony Harris is knocking it out of the fuckin park on Ex Machina and is one of the most respected artists in comics and Robinson is washed up burnt toast with nothing to show for the 10 years since Starman, which has to sting just a bit. Hey James, a little humility might be in order since the guy you are passive-aggresively ripping is stilla vital force in the industry, ya think?
I dont think Bru can write......
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
06:35:36 PM
team books, hence no huge crossovers. Incognito, Cap, DD, what do they have in common? And his Xmen work was solid, but in my opinion not on a par with the current Cap run....but then again, what is? We are talking about one of the seminal runs of the last 15 years, so perhaps I'm being too harsh. Its not like X men sucked.
I'm holding out hope for Robinson
by bottleimp
Jun 18th, 2009
06:39:20 PM
His Captain America one-shot from a couple months ago was very well-done, so I'm hoping that he can still put out good work when it comes time for the new Justice League series. I haven't read the STARMAN omnibus or seen the afterword you guys are talking about-- I figured since I own the whole series anyways, I didn't need to get it. Can anybody say exactly what Robinson says about Harris? Seeing as how Harris' artwork set STARMAN above the bar visually as Robinson's writing did literally, I would think that any personal squabbles or disagreements would dismissed in the face of what they accomplished. Of course, when one is the scribe of such gems as THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN screenplay, I suppose one's ego can be excused.
Series....
by BangoSkank
Jun 18th, 2009
06:48:33 PM
Accidentally posting about a Milla Jovovich movie is far better than accidentally posting about "If you think you can Dance".... An M.J. movie might not get you laid, but at least you can respect yourself in the morning.
Bru crossover/epic
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
06:51:41 PM
I actually think he could do a pretty good mega-event with many players. But for some reason I see it more in the vein of the Korvac Saga or Stern's Masters of Evil IV (yes, both of those sagas were in a single title - the Avengers -but I mean I could see him pulling of something in a similar tone but on a wider scope).
BangoSkank
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
06:53:37 PM
We are all grown men on a forum discussing comics. I don't think any of us can toss stones at someone else for his taste and talk about respecting ourselves in the morning.
Bottleimp
by Laserhead
Jun 18th, 2009
07:54:40 PM
You really have to read Robinson's afterwords. It's nothing outright; it's in the whole tone and flavor of the pieces; he's not outright insulting, but very, very back-handed with his compliments, and seems to be remonstrating anyone who doubted he was a genius in the early 90s. The whole thing, at least in vol. 1&2, is very arrogant, and transparent in its vanities and grudges. Really weird.
Comic Book Writer Championship
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
08:20:07 PM
What if say Marvel (also could be DC) gives 5 teams (Millar/Hitch, Bendis/JRJR, Bru/Epting, Johns/Someone, Morrison/someone, BKV/someone - you get the idea) the same concept - like SECRET WARS III, 12 issues, self contained event – each team then simultaneously, independent of each other puts out the comic, so you have 5 different SECRET WAR III’s going on for a year. Then at the end the fans vote for which is the best, and that one stays in continuity, and the writer wins the Comic Book Writer Championship Belt that year (huge belt they get to wear around). Even if people voted for the story that wasn’t your favorite – you would still have 12 issues of a kick-ass comic. How do you lose? I would buy everyone single one… we would be debating up and down the talkbacks which is better, it would be awesome. They could crown the winner at San Diego, and announce the next concept and teams… so next year is CONTEST of CHAMPIONS, or MASTERS of EVIL, and they announce Gaiman/Mazzucchelli, Loeb/Leifeld, Busiek/Anderson etc.. it would be fantastic. I'm giddy just thinking about it. Marvel/DC make it happen!
Bottleimp
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
08:22:24 PM
Basically, in so many words, Robinson says "I know you would expect me and Tony to be friends, but we really arent and never were. In addition, we had heated disagreements all the time over the direction the book should take. I know people said the book suffered in quality when Tony left halfway through, but I dont think so, so everyone is wrong. We also probably wont work together ever again." It doesnt read as harsh as I'm making it sound, its more subtle in its back handed compliments and over-sensitive ego, but thats pretty much the gist. Its all in the tone. Its really required reading for any fan of the title or its creators, its truly bizarre in its complete tone-deaf arrogance. I'm not really doing it justice here (anyone who knows Starman knows Robinson is a wordy guy and isn't easily condensed or summarized). Picture an afterword written by Robinson in the character of the Shade, as if the Shade was a real person and had written a comic called Starman. That's the best I can do for a summary, ask Laserhead if he thinks I'm getting this right.
Steverodgers
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
08:24:18 PM
The deciding factor would be who gets use of Quitely. I'm being completely serious.
goose
by steverodgers
Jun 18th, 2009
08:51:22 PM
Absolutely and if they decided to throw their hats in the ring the Quitely/Morrison team would be one of the odds on favorites to win. The Loeb/liefeld team would be the dark horses of course and the JMS team would get about 4 issues in and just stop.
12 issues? In one year? With some of those pairings?
by Thalya
Jun 18th, 2009
08:55:09 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
BKV/Tony Harris
by gooseud
Jun 18th, 2009
09:22:02 PM
would be 1A to Morrison/Quitely's 1. Does Morrison get Quitely, or does Ellis? It would all depend on the character, for example I dont think Morrison could write DD effectively, Quitely or no. Brubaker/Epting couldn't write Spider-Man. Millar/Hitch couldnt write any of the bright, shiny DC titles like Flash or Green Lantern, and Millar is the all time worst Superman writer in recorded history (Batman, thats a different story). Character assignment is everything.
Shame about Robinson's ego, but I gotta say...
by bottleimp
Jun 18th, 2009
09:44:26 PM
... even though Harris really set the standard for the visual tone of STARMAN, Peter Snejbjerg did a bang-up job when he took over the art chores, especially once he was inking as well as pencilling. So I've got to agree with Robinson that the artwork in the series, aside from a few unfortunate fill-in issues, never suffered after Harris' departure.
Rules of Comic Book Championship
by Continentalop
Jun 18th, 2009
09:56:24 PM
1) All teams will start work on the same date and have the same deadlines.

2) All teams will be required to use the same characters. List of characters will be established by popular vote amongst fans.

3) All teams will start out with the same basic premise.

4) Any team failing to meet a deadline will be disqualified (instantly eliminating team JMS). 5) Each teams series will be self contained and be told in just twelve 22-page issues.

6) At the end of each teams series, fans will vote for which one is the best.

7) The winning series will be included in comic continuity, the losers banished to alternate timelines or parallel earths (What ifs? & Elseworlds).

8) The winner will be allowed to wear the Comic Book Championship Belt until such time as he is defeated.

Championships
by Series7
Jun 18th, 2009
10:10:38 PM
I don't think they should use the same characters, I think each team has to create a whole new super and fit them into what ever universe.
An @$$hole Will Be Assigned To Each Duo
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 18th, 2009
11:25:36 PM
Screen gets wavey.

INT. BENDIS STUDY -- DAY Grimacing, Bendis sits at his word processor. Ambush Bug paces behind him.

AMBUSH BUG: "Blah, blah, blah. ZZZZZ. ZZZZZ. Blah, blah, blah."

BENDIS:"Grrrr."

AMB USH BUG:"Good idea. Mix it up a little."

INT. MARK MILLAR'S STUDY -- NIGHT
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 18th, 2009
11:29:32 PM
BUZZ MAVERIK:"No, see, when you do that, I can see you writing. I mean, I'm here in Scotland or Ireland or wherever we are and I can actually see you typing, but if I was at home reading your comic, I could see you typing and saying how bloody clever you are. Say, if we're in Ireland, let's head to a pub and drink a couple of hundred pints of Guiness. I really like Black and Tans myself. Are we in Scotland? I can never tell you guys apart. Some people have that trouble with Chinese and Japanese people, but with them I have no trouble. It's you UK guys that confuse me. Do you have any pot?"
Respect
by proper
Jun 19th, 2009
01:31:18 AM
I used to get Roy of the Rovers delivered weekly to my door when I was a kid.I still remember Melchester losing because everybody went upfront to try to score a goal for Roy who'd come back from being shot with only "Blackie" [Blimey that's old skool ;0] Gray being the only one with his football head on in defence..The one torrent I could never find,I'm buying this one,the circle is complete.Good to see that one here,good work fellas :>
The Comic Book -- CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS!
by V. von Doom
Jun 19th, 2009
05:00:45 AM
steverodgers, that has got to be the best idea since the Olympics. Some of the writers would win purely by being on deadline. (Really, has Johns ever missed a deadline that wasn't the artist's fault?) Others would probably pull some wild concept out of their brains at the last minute and wow the cheering crowds (hello, Morrison!). And then we all get on the Internet and vote for the winning story in which Jason Todd dies again/doesn't die/becomes the Batman/is erased from continuity/becomes a Marvel Zombie ... I'm trying to stifle giggles just thinking about the weirdness that would ensue if this ever came to pass.
Robinson/Claremont/JMS
by optimous_douche
Jun 19th, 2009
06:28:59 AM
Robinson and Claremont -- oh, how the mighty have fallen. Robinson's Superman had glimmers of hope in some panels and then others that just sucked. Science Police...Really...fucking science police. Claremont just needs to stop now, this resurrection of X-Men is a big waste of "who cares" paper.

I am fucking pissed about The Twelve. It trounced Superpowers (although I did like the first issue).

Agreed Optimous.
by BangoSkank
Jun 19th, 2009
06:45:33 AM
I just got around to reading X-Men Forever... I'm a huge X-men fan, but that book just made me cringe. Why the fuck would anyone want to revisit the early 90's? Why? Much less, every two weeks? I canceled my online subscription BEFORE looking at any porn this morning, that's how bad it was.
And I never even bothered with The Twelve...
by BangoSkank
Jun 19th, 2009
06:50:41 AM
despite the love it was getting here. I'm done with JMS, voting with my checkbook, or however that adage goes. I refuse to support his work anymore... Or if I were to, strictly in collected form.
Oh, so they have to create their OWN characters
by gooseud
Jun 19th, 2009
07:23:39 AM
Hmmm that changes things....who has shown ability to create from scratch? Bru has Incognito and all his noir books, Millar has Kick-Ass, Morrison has 7 million things, BKV has Ex Machina and Y, Johns has......hmmm, what DOES Johns have? Well if we are talking about creating something cool from scratch, then 3 names just jumped into the fray that have shown distinct ability to create something cool (As opposed to ability to write an existiting character, which is its own set of trickiness): Ellis, Kirkman, and......gulp......Garth Ennis.
Comic Writing Championship
by Laserhead
Jun 19th, 2009
08:47:50 AM
Isn't all comic-writing everywhere part of the eternal, universal comic writing championship?

Right now Alan Moore, Jack Kirby, and Grant Morrison are in the lead.

CBC
by steverodgers
Jun 19th, 2009
10:20:28 AM
Thanks Doom. I hope it does come to pass. Although a lot of the fun is debating the rules, teams, and how it would work out. But if it ever did come to pass... can you imagine. So awesome. It would be huge.
Continentalop/CBC Rules
by steverodgers
Jun 19th, 2009
10:32:05 AM
Maybe the fans vote on a 1-900 number, or it cost a dollar to text, and the winner not only gets the title and totally awesome belts, but they get the cash, or it goes to their favorite charity etc... ups the ante!
Thats the way to go, Bango
by Joenathan
Jun 19th, 2009
10:50:48 AM
The Twelve was the last time I buy JMS from now on.
Writer's contest
by Joenathan
Jun 19th, 2009
10:54:28 AM
It shouldn't be Fan-voted characters, it should be: Who can write the best self-contained twelve issue series about a TERRIBLE character. Someone really shitty... like... fucking Shatterstar or Maggot or Batroc the Leaper. The true test of writing strength is who can find the gold underneath all the poop.

Advantage: Ellis. Especially if he's paired with Cassidy.
Is X-Men Forever still coming out?
by Joenathan
Jun 19th, 2009
10:56:28 AM
I figured it would be canceled by now...
Bango
by optimous_douche
Jun 19th, 2009
11:47:00 AM
I refused to give any more money to Claremont or the 90s X-Men series. He's burned me one time too many in recent years, Exiles you bastard...Also I bought all five covers the first time X-men came out.

On The Twelve you are kind of hurting yourself, it was really really good and JMS got soooo close to completing. Liek if I got that close on aproject I would only be suspended instead of fired.

steverodgers, Comic Book Writing Championship
by Continentalop
Jun 19th, 2009
12:13:32 PM
It is your idea, so you get the final say on how the winner is determined. But after reading some of the other people's post, I have a couple of suggestions for rules:

1) You must include at least one new protagonist and one new antagonist who must play a major part in the series (to see if the writer is able to create new heroes and villains)

2) At least two of the characters given to the writers will be considered Z-Listers.

3) At least one of the characters have been created by Liefeld.

4) The Bikini & Evening Wear competitions will only account for 1/4th of the possible votes.

Continentalop/CBC
by steverodgers
Jun 19th, 2009
12:26:46 PM
Unfortunately I am not as yet in charge of a comic book company. Until that day, the idea is open source. We are all just hammering out the details, until someday someone rises from the talkbacks to make the Comic Book Contest of Champions a reality.
Isn't rule 3 just a subset of rule 2?
by SleazyG.
Jun 19th, 2009
12:36:57 PM
Cuz it sounds that way...
Firearm VHS, if anyone still cares.
by cookylamoo
Jun 19th, 2009
12:51:31 PM
Mailbu packaged the first issue of Firearm with a VHS tape that has about a half hour dramatization. Then the rest of the story is continued in the comic. Remind me to transfer my copy to DVD.
Yes rule 3 is related to rule 2
by Continentalop
Jun 19th, 2009
01:15:59 PM
But it has its own unique features, kind of like how hitting below the belt in boxing is a foul, but hitting someone intentionally in the groin also listed separately under boxing rules.

Z-listers are hitting below the belt; Liefeld is getting hit in the groin.

I like Rule 3
by Joenathan
Jun 19th, 2009
03:00:36 PM
Right away, you know, the weak need not apply.
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