Cavil, along with his yearning to cast off his human-like bonds to be the "perfect machine" should be front and center in this.

Oh and... Espenson still sucks.

I do hope BSG: The Plan sheds a little light on what the resurrected Starbuck and the Head Six & Baltar were. After rewatching the series on DVD it is very clear that Head Six was working as a Cylon at the close of the mini, but by the end of season 4 she was an angel? And Starbuck vanishing? WTF?!

It wasn't that the show was "too realistic" (LMAO) or that it failed to conform to my childish, American need for black-and-white morality (BSG fans can be so cruel). It's just that I only have so many hours in the week, and there is more good content out there for me than there is time for me to consume it, so I prefer to follow stories that have at least *one* character that acts like a real person (i.e., not some weird combination of emo, asshole, vein-poppingly intense, this-is-serious-business, I-fight-you-or-I-fuck-you characteristics that is about as "grown up" as Pee-Wee Herman). Having some hint of human joy evident somewhere in the series from time to time would be a great plus as well.

Sorry, just had to vent for some reason. This sounds like a neat move, can't wait, etc.

Anyone else find it bizarre after telling us in the intro for the first two-plus seasons that the Cylons "have a plan", we don't actually find out what the plan is until the show is over?

The show lost me for good when the annoying Stands with a Fist did NOT die of cancer.

I simply can't afford the Blu-ray set right now (Blu Ray is way overpriced...the Blu Ray of the Star Trek movie collection is twice the price of the dvd version...ridiculous) so I guess I'll have to wait until the price comes down or until the extended version shows up online somewhere.

By the way, I watched the last 10 episodes back to back today. While I know some complained about the final few episodes, when you watch them all together they really work well.

And I still believe that Free Will does exist even when there's a large level of biological or cultural determinism. Lord knows there have been many times I've wanted to tear a troll a new one on this forum and resisted ;)

Excepting the Espenson-scribed one, of course.

In fact its cheaoer to buy each season individually. You get the same extras.

Don't get me started on the Blu Ray set which actually costs more than an Xbox 360.

BUT....Season 4.5 is out in the UK and Ireland on dvd. It's labelled as "The Final Season" here.

Galactica DVDs are distributed by a company called Playback here and I have to say, what a load of shit.

The webisodes aren't on the set, the quality of the image is fucking awful (so much grain you could bake some bread), sure the podcast commentaries and weblogs are on it, but not much else. No extended editions, no Caprica...it's a piece of shit.

That is all.

You're mad

There was nothing in it to say 100% that they were being guided by God & it was done that way deliberately.

Fuck you.

You're scum.

Let's face it, that's what you were doing. I was jokimng about Espensen, but if I wasn't, it would be my opinion. If your life is so lacking that you have to get your kicks insulting people just 'cause they have the power of free thought, that's your own tragedy.

Terms like baby fucker, that's just low. Deeply fucking wrong.

& these talkbacks aren't meant for just a small bunch of people, who start it then continue..like you said, time zones etc. People come & go & add their opinions.

I've been here for years, so don't question my participation. I could easily himiliate you further by having a poll..

How many people know The Dark Shite V how many know Medicinaluser.

I won't. I can't be bothered. But once thing you ned to learn is that if you wanna be dark & sarcastic here, that's cool. If you wanna mock someone or insult them in a conversation that's going that way, fine. I do both. You don't insule people just 'cause they say "I like epsensen as a writer" or something. Even if they were joking. That gets you a rep as a prick.

& you certainly don't call people Baby Fucker.

I'm from the U.K too, originally, hence my name. You should know what calling someone Baby fucker would get you on the street back home. That's not fucking cool.

As I said, it was a joke, but even if it wasn't, it's a person's opinion said with interest in the subject.

At times like that, when a person gives his or her opinion about the show, that's when you come back with a counter-argument, say what YOU think, give YOUR opinion & say why you disagree with the other person.

You just waded in like a cunt, throwing around names like Baby fucker. It shows you're a tool.

There are times when it's cool to do that on this site (but not the baby fucker part). It's partly why people enjoy the TBs. But there are times when you do it & times when you don't.

The insults thing is for when you're having either a big disagreement, or a jokey one. That's how the site works. Then, it's fine, sometimes even fun.

Doing it if someone likes a writer, just makes you look like a dumb cunt.

A comment above mentions that maybe if you didnt expect answers, it might have been better, which I think is a fair call, but its hard to reign in your expectations when its generally been a high quality series.

The final for me, still mixed about it. Think it should have ended with Adama or Hera looking out across Earth. The Ron Moore reading the newspaper, the images of the modern robots and the in heads talking, was too blunt and silly for a generally intelligent show.

The plan, not holding my breath, but will give it a go, any will definetely go in with lowered expectations.

I just happen to be a big BSG fan & while there are other TBs where I'd happily spank you like a dirty cross-eyed bitch, I'm actually interested in this one.

I was talking BSG. You're the one who mentioned me by name & acted like a prick. "Wicked brill night"? You 12 yrs old or just a chav? If you're a chav, you might wanna buy a goldfish & get that to write for ya, 'cause it'll no doubt have a higher IQ than you.

I'm not having problems getting rid of you. I'm not trying to. There does seem to be a gulf in intellect however, wherebvy you think it's about annoying me & me needing to get rid of you, whereas I don't actually give a fuck.Besides which, I'm eating & you're pissed.

Look, I don't like Espensen's writing on BSG either. Just be careful with the "Baby fucker" type insults. It won't do you any favours.

I'm cool. Just didn't like the baby fucker thing.

Not gonna hold your hand to school though.

I'm hoping The Plan will show a small degree of trepidation on the part of the Cylons and fill in that particular blank spot. Regardless, it's gonna pull down big ratings. BSG fans may bitch & moan now, but when the time comes...

Just kidding, I love you guys.

The last half of the fourth season, in order to justify its existence, should have been a well-thought-out continuous storyline that wrapped up the series' loose ends. Instead, we got exposition overload over the course of a couple of episodes that did nothing but raise yet more questions, the person who emerged as the central antagonist (Cavil) blow his own brains out with virtually no preceding conflict (he shows up on the bridge of the Galactica, adds a little more exposition, figures he's screwed and saves the humans a lot of time by offing himself), a deus ex machina in the form of "All Along The Watchtower" that somehow magically spirited the colonists from the Cylons' secret base to our Earth, a LITERAL deus ex machina in the form of Starbuck (and the in-heads), that defied both explanation and the show's early conceit of being both gritty and realistic, and the early gut-punch of them finding their "Earth", which, as it turned out, was not OUR Earth, and therefore, pretty close to meaningless, except as a mid-season cliffhanger. Ending it with discovering Earth, OUR Earth, except that we had destroyed it in a global nuclear conflict thousands of years earlier, would have been a much more satisfying conclusion and had a great deal more meaning.

That ending was so fucking AWFUL it could only have gotten worse. Finding out that the Cylons then created society on Earth as we know it - not so much Jumping The Shark as Flogging A Dead Shark To Death Then Clusterfucking It Back To Life And Fucking It To Death Again. I've never seen anything more senseless this century than that fucking stupid finale.

I'm sure, however, that Russell T Davies will show the BSG showrunners how you REALLY Jump (and then clusterfuck) A Shark when you see the last ever RTD / Tennant episode. My expectations cannot be any lower than they are for that. He's gonna make the ending of BSG look like Citizen fucking Kane in comparison.

In the miniseries Head6 says "We will find you" to Baltar after the Colonial Fleet escapes the Cylon strike force - implying that she is somehow connected to the Cylons. RDM dropped this aspect of her character in subsequent seasons and shoehorned the whole angel thing into the latter episodes.

Ultimately, I thought most of the finale was superb (I actually think controversial series conclusions are better than having a series end all wrapped up with a big bow), but I still have a hard time with the "angel" stuff. I think they BSG: The Plan will touch on this and offer an explanation with more closure.

Throw up a SPOILER ALERT and fill me in would ya!

Firstly, a well-structured and properly argued refutation, backed up by well-reasoned and intelligent analysis of the episode in question will ALWAYS be more worthy of consideration than "OMG FFS YOU SUUUUUCKXXXX" arguments.

Secondly, just because "'Daybreak' is the finale and there's not a damn thing any of you can do to change that", does NOT mean that you are right and the haters are wrong. Just because the finale has been made, does not mean that it has been made WELL. The haters have made many decent arguments, most based around the (correct) assumption that the finale made no sense out of Pythia, who/what Starbuck was/is, how the whol "Head6 / Head Baltar" thing works, etc etc ad infinitum... The problem is, the lack of explanation showed up what REALLY happened with the finale: RDM had NO IDEA where he was going or what he was doing with this show and the mysteries he created. It's exactly the same as with Russell T Davies and that "Bad Wolf" bollocks that he teased all through the Eccleston and Tennant tenures in DOCTOR WHO, and which mean absolutely fuck all in the final analysis. It's not clever writing, it's covering up for the fact that they had no answers to the questions they posed. And after watching all that shit about Jacob and his opposite number in the LOST S5 finale, I am wondering whether the Darlton actualy know where they're going with their program too...

In short, sauron: Give me a well reasoned argument and I'll listen to you. Otherwise, you're just barking at the moon, son.

At first I thought them sacrificing all their tech and dispersing was unlikely. However, I can completely see these folks wanting to get the hell as far away from each other as possible after years of essential confinement.

But I would have been just as happy had they appended the finale to the end of any of the previous seasons.

"Daybreak" was terrible. When you require comics, novels, a movie-length tie-in and a prequel series to explain something that was horribly set up in four seasons of your show, you've done something wrong. If you wish to pretend you got something that virtually no one else did, good for you.

Other than attacking the 12 colonies in the mini-series, they didn't actually seem to have a plan. Seems odd that we're finally learning of one AFTER the show has finished.

Overall, I liked the run of BSG. I think Season 3 were okay. They had some good concepts at points. I didn't like how religous the show became. And it seemed they didn't have a real handle on Apollo or Starbuck as charcters. They jumped personalities almost on an episode-episode basis. Whatever the plot required, one of them would do.

Overall, it was a great show, though. And I thought the finale was rather well done. I thought it had something for everyone, action and thoughful reflection.