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del Toro Confirms HOBBIT Casting Tidbits & More...

first by austinnn	Jun 12th, 2009 01:09:18 AM
lol hobbit
Cool news by FrodoFraggins	Jun 12th, 2009 01:09:36 AM

This movie is going to kick all kinds of assery! by ganymede3010	Jun 12th, 2009 01:09:39 AM
Bring it on Baby. And release LOTR On fucking Blu-Ray Already.
Will it be a musical? by Bob of the Shire	Jun 12th, 2009 01:19:39 AM
Crack the dishes, smash the plates! That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
YAY for Ian by Neosamurai85	Jun 12th, 2009 01:19:54 AM
I was always afraid this project would take too long, especially considering how physical the role still is in Hobbit. However, I feel like I might need to brush up (admittedly, I haven't read The Hobbit since high school and was always more of a LOTR guy), because I have no memory of any scene where Hugo would need to return. I thought it was the nastier river elves down the way the Bilbo and th Dwarves ran into. OR is this more of the subplot fiddling stuff. Like I said, foggy.
As long as Howard Shore is back by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 12th, 2009 01:20:00 AM
We've got deal, Memo.
Awesome by lokipan	Jun 12th, 2009 01:21:39 AM
is it bad that I want this movie out just so that del Toro can start working on "At the Mountains of Madness"?
Smaug by Mockingbuddha	Jun 12th, 2009 01:21:51 AM
More lotr movies rocks. I knew about Smaug before I knew the difference between boys and girls.
Memo to Memo by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 12th, 2009 01:23:55 AM
WETA CGI > MAN IN SUIT!!! Give Doug Jones a couple movies off!
Nicol Williamson for Smaug! by pirandello	Jun 12th, 2009 01:32:37 AM
Anyone who's heard the 1970s audiobook would love him to re-create his 'Terry Thomas meets Darth Vader' voice to the role.
del Toro has yet to make... by Seph_J	Jun 12th, 2009 01:32:38 AM
...a superb film. Pans Labia was very good, and other works have been consistant, but I get the impression he's a bit of a slave to cliche.... and that is exactly what we don't need in a film version of the most famous childrens book of all time. Jackson still needs to keep an eye on Mr. del Toro. But, good luck all the same. And yes, Howard Shore would be the first person I would confirm as coming back...
Thankyou Seph_J by quantize	Jun 12th, 2009 01:37:56 AM
for sharing that nugget...an amazing feat for someone with their head so far up their own ass.
I can't believe I'm such a geek... by Monkey Butler	Jun 12th, 2009 01:38:15 AM
But Gandalf and the White Council don't meet at /in Dol Guldur, Dol Guldur is the Necromancer's tower which Gandalf attacks. I'm pretty sure Gollum is imprisoned there for a while too.
Neosamurai85--They go to Rivendell! by TisketMaster	Jun 12th, 2009 01:38:47 AM
Neosamurai85, you've forgotten much indeed! In The Hobbit, the party stops in Rivendell on the way to the Mountain...and they stop on the way back. Elrond even helps them figure out how to read the secret moon runes on their map. I guess you ought to be cracking open that book sometime in the next year or so...
Does this mean we get to see the other by Dingbatty	Jun 12th, 2009 01:41:17 AM
color Wizards/Istari?
ganymede3010 by Dingbatty	Jun 12th, 2009 01:45:19 AM
You'll probably have to wait for Blu. New Line is going to quadruple dip, count on it.
Yup by Neosamurai85	Jun 12th, 2009 01:46:18 AM
Will do man. Thanks. While I love the story, I never got deeply into The Hobbit. LOTR was one of the first non-children's books I ever read and I read it before The Hobbit, so as awesome as Dragons and stuff are, I loved the depth of the sequel and the density of the writing more. It was sorta spoiled for me, and I won't pretend to be a specialist on it. So thanks for the recall. I'll crack it again sometime soon. It will be interesting to see how it reads post-teen and without the burden of LOTRs anyway.
Full interview at BBC podcast found at... by pirandello	Jun 12th, 2009 01:48:39 AM
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObj ects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcas t?i=55579109&id=128954728 from (15:33)-(22:55) including more on his relationship with Peter Jackson. Also a couple of words about Blade 4, Hellboy 3 just before.
I can't wait to see Smaug by jimmy_009	Jun 12th, 2009 01:51:49 AM
The David Wenzel graphic novel has my all time favorite Smaug design. I hope they go that route.
hope they make the ending better... by HaterofCrap	Jun 12th, 2009 01:52:01 AM
one shot, one kill...kind of anti climactic when you're talking about a superbeast.
My Bet -The Voice of Smaug.. by thethedew	Jun 12th, 2009 01:53:19 AM
...will be played by Ron Perlman. Mind you, I'm betting Perlman will get the nod to be Thorin too; save a few bucks by doubling up the talent, like Gimli/Treebeard.
Think they could get Russell Crowe to play Bard? by thethedew	Jun 12th, 2009 01:55:25 AM
...or maybe Javier Bardem.
James McAvoy as Bilbo... by Human_Bean_Juice_	Jun 12th, 2009 02:02:28 AM
you know that makes sense
looking forward to the extra wizard stuff by George Newman	Jun 12th, 2009 02:11:48 AM
when I read the book 10 years ago I wished that there had been some coverage of Gandalf's adventure. It seemed much more interesting to me than some wandering through the woods and a bit of river rapids
bring Rhys-Davies for GLOIN!!!! by George Newman	Jun 12th, 2009 02:15:50 AM
I hope that they don't pass up that opportunity to have the son play the father!
@ganymede3010 LOTR is already in Blu-ray by growltiger	Jun 12th, 2009 02:19:21 AM
A certain web site named for a great river in South America has it for one penny less than 70 USD. Unless, of course, you want the extended version, and I am holding out for that series. I want to keep double dipping to a minimum.
I doubt JR-D would do the Hobbit by thethedew	Jun 12th, 2009 02:19:42 AM
Cool certainly to cast him, but he was in agony most of the shoot for LotR due to his allergic reaction to the latex mask. Highly highly doubt he'd put himself through that again. Voiceover maybe...?
no unwarranted dwarftossing by pipergates	Jun 12th, 2009 02:23:06 AM

Keith Richards for Smaug by pipergates	Jun 12th, 2009 02:29:18 AM

Sean Connery for voice of dragon! by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 12th, 2009 02:29:21 AM

aintitsimonmayonews by pokadoo	Jun 12th, 2009 02:33:58 AM

Can't see Viggo coming back though, not after... by alucardvsdracula	Jun 12th, 2009 02:35:32 AM
Acting like a drunk prick at the Empire movie awards the other month and taking the piss out of the project. I was kinda funny, just to see Sean Bean cringing with embarrasment at the shit coming out of Aragorn's gob.
Dennis Quad as Bilbo! by pokadoo	Jun 12th, 2009 02:35:44 AM

Ideas for some of the dwarves... by tao_pilot	Jun 12th, 2009 02:40:06 AM
Brian Cox, John Goodman, Ron Perlman, George Wendt, John Rhys-Davies, Kelsey Grammer, John C. McGinley, Phillip Seymore Hoffman, J. G. Hertzler
Clint should direct this. by pokadoo	Jun 12th, 2009 02:48:20 AM
And play Old Bilbo.
I was hoping this would be better... by elwood_p_dud	Jun 12th, 2009 02:50:21 AM
than that boring fag fest LOTR. It looks like they're cloning that fucker at this point. NEXT!
Who will be Dildo...I mean Bilbo by HarryBlackPotter	Jun 12th, 2009 02:54:39 AM
Elijah Wood? Ian Holme is too old I guess unless they CGI him to hell. Elijah Wood might be an obvious choice, but I think the English pop elf Leo Sayer would be perfect. Oh, and we should get Leonard Nimoy to sing the theme tune.
Beorn played by... by force_fed	Jun 12th, 2009 03:03:26 AM
The hairiest actor alive. Robin f'n Williams. No need for costly CG transformation scenes. Just kidding. Please don't cast him.
Bilbo will be James McAvoy by OGoncho	Jun 12th, 2009 03:22:23 AM
You can just feel it, can't you, AICN? Me too, me too.
zzzzzzzz by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 12th, 2009 03:27:55 AM
Pan's Labyrinth is the only really good Del Toro flick. And The Lord of the Rings films get worse every time I watch them. Which isn't very often.
Ian Holm SHOULD be Bilbo. by V'Shael	Jun 12th, 2009 03:32:31 AM
After all, he was supposed to have not visibly aged a day, which means that Bilbo in LotR LOOKED LIKE HE DID IN THE HOBBIT! Really, it's not rocket science people.
Aragorn is early 20s at the time of The Hobbit by performingmonkey	Jun 12th, 2009 03:43:34 AM
So Viggo wouldn't be coming back, it would be a younger actor. Unless they go down the stupid de-aging route. Liv Tyler would be Arwen because Arwen doesn't age. However, both of these characters don't need to appear at all, it would just be overkill. Whatever, we're not far away from knowing what we REALLY want to know - who's playing Bilbo, Smaug and Thorin.
My piece at Slashfilm by Brendon	Jun 12th, 2009 03:50:10 AM
Was hugely more detailed. The g4 people even "stumbled onto" some of the phrasing I used. I also mentioned his comments on why Hellboy 3 isn't gonna happen, his Frankenstein casting and tests and.... LOTS MORE, actually. So, this is your best bet: http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/ 06/11/guillermo-del-toro-confi rms-hugo-weaving-for-the-hobbi t-and-much-more/
Kurt Russell for The Archer by ThrowMeTheIdol	Jun 12th, 2009 03:53:34 AM

Fellowship had SO much heart; the others didn't by Mr Gorilla	Jun 12th, 2009 04:13:39 AM
I was really sad at the routes the LOTR films took after Fellowship. Fellowship seemed to me to be packed with heart, and ideas, and characters and so on. (Even though arguments have been made that he did whatever he could to the book to make it LESS exciting - see Paul Gulino's book on Sequence Screenwriting.) But, god, those second two films, the terrible liberties they took with the books, the horrible way they seemed to concentrate on battles and nothing else....
All of which is to say... by Mr Gorilla	Jun 12th, 2009 04:15:12 AM
That Del Toro DOES have loads of heart, and I think these films could really be rather wonderful. I DO think, though, that they should schedule this to come out at least 6 months AFTER the final Harry Potter film. Otherwise people might get dragon fatigue, no?
Mr Gorilla by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 12th, 2009 04:17:27 AM
Totally agree with your assessment of the LOTR films, Fellowship by far the best, the next two ruined by 2nd unit directing and bad script decisions.
Cool news! by HagCeli	Jun 12th, 2009 04:17:56 AM

THANKS, MERRICK!!!! by Playkins	Jun 12th, 2009 04:19:39 AM
That scene gave me nightmares for WEEKS when I was a kid. Now I'm gonna be reliving that shit.
Hey Turd, whats up dude? by southafricanguy	Jun 12th, 2009 04:56:20 AM
I partially agree with Kwis. For me personally FOTR is the best (flawless filmaking imho). While I find both TT and ROTK to be a bit flawed by some weak choices/changes by Jackson and co..However they are both still damn good movies...
Bilbo = Martin Freeman by TiPPiDa	Jun 12th, 2009 04:58:18 AM
COUNT IT HONKEY FACE!
Agree with you about Pans Turd, awsome film by southafricanguy	Jun 12th, 2009 04:58:55 AM
and I am actually quite happy about del Toro making the Hobbit. I think his directing and Jackson producing will mesh well. And personally I like that DelToro is bringing D.Jones, Ron Perlman, and Mike Mignola into the LOTR universe. I think they will add a nice touch that will help differentiate the Hobbit from LOTR, which is as it should be imho....
I love fan casting by TiPPiDa	Jun 12th, 2009 05:02:08 AM
Its a Del Toro film so... DOUG JONES = THE ENTIRE CAST... TWICE
Mark my words... by JIMBOCOP	Jun 12th, 2009 05:16:00 AM
GDT's involvement means Smaug will be: 1) Perlman-voiced 2) Be made of clock parts
About time there was some Hobbity news... by morGoth	Jun 12th, 2009 05:17:03 AM
...I was beginning to wonder if the AICN bunch was going to boycott this time around. Of course Elrond is in this so Hugo Weaving had better reprise the role. Everyone just keep repeating: James McAvoy as Bilbo, James McAvoy as Bilbo... Glad to hear Smaug is getting a well considered treatment instead of copying something earlier. Yes, whoever said the Smaug from the illustrated novel would be perfect is spot on...as a starting point. I mean, how original can you get depicting a dragon...pretty much been done to death. Finally, Stephen Moyer (vampire Bill from 'True Blood') to play Bard the Bowman. C'mon, he's got that dark brooding intensity thing going in spades.
Guillermo del Toro's FRANKENSTEIN!! by BenBraddock	Jun 12th, 2009 05:20:49 AM
That's the one I can't wait for! So I can finally erase the memory of Brannagh's horror..
Dingbatty by ganymede3010	Jun 12th, 2009 05:22:27 AM
No doubt they're going to quadruple the shit out of the LOTR Blu Ray. But what's taking them so long for the first wave?
Ah, fuck McAvoy... by DiamondJoe	Jun 12th, 2009 05:32:49 AM
...he's an overrated, fair-to-middling actor with no real presence. Can't carry a film (and before anyone mentions Last King of Scotland, that was Whitaker's Show). As for who could be Bilbo - tricky. Toby Jones? At the very least he's got to be a dwarf.
Not that I'm hoping for McAvoy by OGoncho	Jun 12th, 2009 05:52:14 AM
If he were cast I don't think I'd be worried, but anything other than Ian Holm agreeing to start aging backwards at an alarming rate so that he's capable of donning his Hobbit feet once more to stab some spiders is bound to disappoint anyone that interested in who gets the part. I disagree with you, Diamond Joe, about McAvoy's part in The Last King of Scotland, I think that film wouldn't work without him.
You don't know about that. by Sal_Bando	Jun 12th, 2009 05:53:59 AM
Richard Boone as Smaug. I love it!
Yeah Turd....pity about our long runnig Avatar by southafricanguy	Jun 12th, 2009 05:54:35 AM
talkback. But as you say we will just have to set up camp in the next one lol. Anyway....So dude are they splitting the book into 2 halves? Why? I read the book many years ago, and cant remember it being able to be split into 2 books (i realize my memory of it may be really wonky...).
Anton Yelchin is Bilbo Baggins by Darth_Tarantino	Jun 12th, 2009 06:03:29 AM
I'm going to believe this to be the case until an official announcement says otherwise.
Trashing LOTR by Donkey_Lasher	Jun 12th, 2009 06:07:41 AM
Hahaha, you losers are either trying to get a response like the sad attention seeking morons you are, or you're in a very very small minority. Either way, you're opinions are irrelevent. You do make me laugh though. Name one trilogy that is better than LOTR.
Ah, yes, Richard Boone... by DocPazuzu	Jun 12th, 2009 06:16:21 AM
Still, he never topped his big game hunter in The Last Dinosaur, with the awesome name of "Maston Thrust". Can't beat the dialogue in that one: "You DING-DONG!" A reviewer described him in that movie as looking like "a rotten log in a safari hat." Genius.
re Howard Shore. by DocPazuzu	Jun 12th, 2009 06:18:51 AM
I wouldn't worry about a confirmation. It's just a matter of them asking him. He's gone on record saying he'd love to do it and has admitted to loving Middle-earth so much that he's already composed Hobbit tunes in his spare time for his own enjoyment. You can count on him being part of this. Thank God.
been listening to Shore's LOTR scores by Toilet_Terror	Jun 12th, 2009 06:23:24 AM
I wonder if he'll be working with any of the previous themes he wrote for Bilbo. I really don't care to speculate on who's playing Bilbo. Del Toro's made his choice and I trust his directorial sensibilities in this regard. Casting was not a problem with any of his previous films (except maybe Mimic).
Leonard Nimoy is doing the theme song, right? by Mr Nicholas	Jun 12th, 2009 06:30:31 AM

donkeylasher....are you talking about me? by southafricanguy	Jun 12th, 2009 06:35:32 AM
I just said i thought the 2nd and 3rd films had some flaws, but were still damn good movies. And that Fellowship is flawless filmaking, I never trashed the Lotr movies at all...
and as for your second point dude, well I pers by southafricanguy	Jun 12th, 2009 06:43:03 AM
onally dont think you can really compare trilogies or series that are completely different genres. There is no question that LOTR is the best/greatest fantasy trilogy/series, blows HP away as far as im concerned. There is no completely good superhero trilogy imho, there a number of good 1-2 punches, but superhero series always seem to completely shit the bed in the 3rd movie (blade, xmen, spiderman, superman etc...) Im hoping Nolan pulls off a hat trick and gives us the first perfect comic book adaptation trilogy. As for Sci-fi....well that depends on your feelings tastes, and is highly argumentative imho. We could say the Star Wars OT (and its the most likely candidtate), but what about ROTJ? Many love it and will defend it to their death, while many see it as a weak conclusion. And then what of the Matrix trilogy? On what side do you come concerning the matrix sequals? Or what about the triogy within the star trek series WOK-TVH? .....All food for thought...
I can't wait to see by telepathos	Jun 12th, 2009 06:54:29 AM
more wisecracks, pratfalls, and burp jokes in the middle of serious scenes!
The Dollars trilogy? by Donkey_Lasher	Jun 12th, 2009 07:11:39 AM
Kinda cool, but I fell asleep whilst watching A Few Dollars More. Star Wars would be an excellent trilogy if they had regarded the Holiday Special as the second film :)
Donkey Lasher....ooh good one dude, that by southafricanguy	Jun 12th, 2009 07:17:31 AM
is the best Western trilogy i guess....
@tao_pilot by thedude2010	Jun 12th, 2009 07:42:23 AM
sounds like good casting for the dwarves in snow white. I can picture it now.
quantize by Seph_J	Jun 12th, 2009 07:53:52 AM

quantize by Seph_J	Jun 12th, 2009 07:54:30 AM
thank you. you're just jealous
We all should praise by TDO	Jun 12th, 2009 07:54:46 AM
LOTR for filling the void that the Star Wars prequel left.
awesome by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG	Jun 12th, 2009 08:00:55 AM

Clive Owen for Bard. by Nice Marmot	Jun 12th, 2009 08:08:54 AM
Pegg and Frost for 2 dwarves.
Clerks 2 by lokipan	Jun 12th, 2009 08:12:47 AM
I love how that movie has created this dicotomy between SW fans and LOTR fans. I never knew I was supposed to pick a side
Mr. Nicholas RE: Nimoy's "Bilbo Baggins" by Clavius	Jun 12th, 2009 08:15:30 AM
You just know someone is aching for this film to come out so they will finally have some decent footage to go with that song for their homemade YouTube fan vid.
In 2012, You will believe... by Clavius	Jun 12th, 2009 08:17:38 AM
...that your eyeballs were just fucked by a HOBBIT.
southafricanguy by TDO	Jun 12th, 2009 08:18:03 AM
Don't forget the Alien trilogy. Despite Alien 3 being the weakest (not nearly as bad as Resurrection), it was a fitting end to Ripley's arc in my opinion.
All right, look, there's only one by TDO	Jun 12th, 2009 08:20:55 AM
"Return," okay, and it ain't "of the King," it's "of the Jedi." -Clerks 2
and you guys hate G4. See it's good for something. by Orionsangels	Jun 12th, 2009 08:24:24 AM

James McAvoy Doesn't Look Enough Like Ian Holm by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 08:46:53 AM
Whoever it is, they should look like a young Ian Holm. Ever listen to the BBC adaptation of Lord of the Rings? It's funny to hear Ian Holm playing Frodo. If the movie starts with a voice over by Galadriel and the Howard Shore's "theme of the ring", I'll be ecstatic. I'll even be able to live with James McAvoy as Bilbo.
Hey, Brendon, It's Called TinyURL by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 08:49:22 AM
Please.
TisketMaster - Got that right! by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 12th, 2009 09:00:27 AM
"For Elrond lives in the Last Homely House." Nice!
I anticipate NO MOVIE more than the Hobbit! by DoctorWho?	Jun 12th, 2009 09:14:21 AM
I will follow every detail. Let's hope Ringwearer surfaces over the next many months to entertain.
Smaug will look awesome (i.e. jewel/coin encrusted scales) by Rindain	Jun 12th, 2009 09:14:55 AM
Imagine the visuals of Smaug reflecting his environment and characters interacting with him. Should be spectacular.
Guest Appearance by Tom Bombadil by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:17:52 AM
No, not really. At least, I hope not. Goldberry, maybe.
Zach Ephron as Bilbo!!!! by HoboCode	Jun 12th, 2009 09:17:58 AM

Gerard Butler as Beorn by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:20:06 AM
Since Oliver Reed isn't available.
Holm for Bilbo by Losteroo	Jun 12th, 2009 09:22:41 AM
I agree with the earlier "you haven't aged a day" comment, PLUS we actually see Holm as Hobbit-era Bilbo in LOTR and it worked just fine. Enough with the recasting!
Christopher Walken as Thranduil by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:24:06 AM
"It is a crime. To wander. In my. Realm. Without leave! Do you forget? That -you-. Were in -my- kingdom? Use-ing. The road. That my people made?"
Larry The Cable Guy as Thorin by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:26:57 AM
"Then I saw that there Arkenstone, and I said: Get 'er done!" Man, it'll be loads of laffs.
Rob Inglis Should At Least Get a Cameo by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:29:30 AM
He did a great job of reading The Hobbit and LOTR. He should get to be a hobbit or a dwarf or one of the Mirkwood elves.
Ian Holm is 77, would be 78 By the Time by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:32:25 AM
Film production starts. And Bilbo is a pretty physical role in The Hobbit. I don't think they are going to have much choice but to recast. Still, I vote against James McAvoy. He's not frickin' Bilbo, and all I'll see is that weird, over-emoting guy from Wanted and some period Jane-Austeny movie.
Excited for Hobbit, not excited for the 2nd movie by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 09:34:03 AM
And yeah, the Necromancer sequence was a given. Also, TTT is by far the best of the three when you consider Extended Editions. Sadly, ROTK has many, many, MANY flaws in either edition. FOTR would've been better if they had made it last; there was a lot that wasn't even filmed because of length concerns and they didn't know how successful the franchise would be. Boromir is awesome though.
A "class" reading of the Hobbit by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 09:39:20 AM
Michael Drout talked about this in a lecture series you can buy at B&N for $10 now. A lot of the encounters in the Hobbit are based on class differential. Bilbo represents the typical English yeoman or landed gentry. The trolls represent the rough-and-tumble working class. The goblins represent the communist-style 'lack of individuality' working class (only one individual is mentioned by name, and its only a title). And Smaug represents the aristocracy (taking all the gold away from the surrounding neighbors and doing nothing with it). But Drout does advise not to try to apply this across the entire work.
Excited for Both Movies by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:42:20 AM
I'd love to see as much of the Silmarillion and the appendixes and the Lost Tales and what not referenced or made into a movie. I'd love to see what the White Council did to push back the Necromancer . . . back to the lands or Mordor, where the shadows lie. And a lot takes place in the Hobbit. A scene by scene film would take two movies.
BTW, I Loved Every LOTR Movie -- ROTK, TTT, Etc. by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:47:03 AM
But Two Towers is my favorite, because of the hook back to the first movie and showing Gandalf's battle with the Balrog at the beginning. I cheered when Gandalf, falling down into the pits of Moria, grabs Glamdring and prepares to do battle. I never cheer at movies. Man, I love that. Although, I prefer the extended editions, all around. But I surely love ROTK. Sam Gamgee's entirely authentic misery when Frodo puts on the ring, Frodo's final surrender, Aaragorn telling the Hobbits that they "bow to no one", and bowing down before them . . . I can live without the scenes of the hobbits returning to Hobbiton and putting things right. And I can surely live without Saruman taking up residence in Bag End with Wormtongue. I really like the novel, but I think skipping that part of the book was entirely appropriate for the film.
kevinwillis.net: That's not what they're doing, though by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 09:47:04 AM
The first film is the Hobbit. The second film is takes place between the Hobbit and LOTR. It's where we find out that Saruman is a Decepticon. http://www.penny -arcade.com/comic/2008/5/28/
Karen Carpenter to play Gollum by Knobules	Jun 12th, 2009 09:48:13 AM
Too soon?
kevinwillis.net: I can live without the scouring of the shire by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 09:49:08 AM
What I can't live with is: "No man shall kill me", Denethor played as a one-note villain because they removed the palantir, and Frodo tackling Gollum into the cracks of doom. Here's what it comes down to: when the Rankin-Bass version is more faithful to the original than your movie is, you've done something wrong.
Christopher lee by Kizeesh	Jun 12th, 2009 09:50:14 AM
Film his shit before he fucking dies. Or I'll kill your family. I'm not sure who this is directed at.....
Chrth: Well, There's Still a Lot of Material by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:51:42 AM
To base the revelation of the Treason of Isengarde on. Some of it may be newly created, to Christopher Tolkien's great chagrin, but I can see both movies being an excellent set of "prequels" (I hate that word) to the trilogy, if done right. Whether or not they will be done right remains to be seen, but I definitely see the potetnial. Although I don't much care to see Saruman, now, if it isn't Christopher Lee. BTW, you can get The Children of Hurin, read by Christopher Lee, on Audible.com. Awesome. And he does a tremendous job for someone who was maybe 85 years old when he did the recording.
Chrth: While I Can Live With All Those Changes by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 09:55:21 AM
Yeah, never explaining that Denethor has a palantir is irksome. Actually, I loved "No man shall kill me", but I understand the objection. Frodo tackling Gollum into the cracks of doom seemed perfectly consistent with the nature and story of the ring, so I had no problem with that. But Denethor should have been accorded with depth and wisdom he had in the book. However, having John Noble play Denethor made me overlook even that. But . . . valid points. Fortunately, they didn't bug me. ;)
kevinwillis.net: the problem I have is by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 09:56:12 AM
How do you turn the events of those 60 years into a cohesive story? I guess you can include Aragorn meeting Arwen and hunting Gollum. You can have the White Council meeting and Saruman saying the Ring has likely gone to the ocean. You may even have Frodo's parents' death. But what's the climax? What's the buildup? It's just a series of vignettes loosely bound together. There's no narrative thread that exists unless they create one. And that's what I fear. I'm not ready for LOTR EU, because I can't help but imagine that just like SW EU, it'll suck hard.
kevinwillis.net: I'm harder on ROTK than I should be by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 10:00:03 AM
PJ gets some changes right: for example, the dead at the Pelennor Fields was a great addition that actually made a lot of sense. But it bugs me that after being so faithful for so long, PJ actually thought he could do the two climaxes of the movie better than Tolkien. Tolkien was a linguistic scholar! He said 'hinder' on purpose. Heck, it was actually a linguistic joke. And Gollum dancing into the cracks is way better. You can't convince me otherwise. Is ROTK still an exceptional film? Yes. But it bugs me so much that it could've been perfect if PJ had just stuck to the original.
Chrth: Yes, Gollum Dancing Into the Cracks by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 10:04:54 AM
Is better. And could have been great on film. I'm just saying, I still love it. And, either way, Eowyn kills the Witch King, so that whole seen works for me. And it's my daughter's favorite scene in the entire series . . . Good points on the 2nd movie. I suppose I'm just optimistic. Much could be done with Arwen and Aaragorn and Aaragorn's time at Rivendell. A little more on the Istari. Saruman's deception of Radagast. I could see how it would work, but I also see how it might not. Hope against hope.
Whole Scene Works for Me by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 10:05:34 AM
Damn my homonym dyslexia.
But Eowyn doesn't kill the Witch King by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 10:09:33 AM
If Sauron/The One Ring survives, so does the Witch King. As a ringbearer the Witch King is bound to it. Also, it ignores the fact that Merry 'hinders' the Witch-King first, and then Eowyn 'hinders' him (thus the joke). Heck, if they only say 'kill', then they could just pound the shit out of the witch-king (I'm envisioning the torture by bullets of 'Proinsas' in the Preacher).
Del Toro's gonna own this thing. by Sardonic	Jun 12th, 2009 10:14:40 AM
It's like a dream come true having this guy direct the Hobbit. There's really no better choice short of PJ himself, and even so, I'd rather see Del Toro's interpretation this time around. It's gonna be killer.
I want to see more Sauron ala Fellowship opening by Knobules	Jun 12th, 2009 10:17:24 AM
I know, he is sort of a ghostly figure/Big Eye/ Spirit or black cloud and so on. If liberties are taken can we get Sauron walking around slamming shit? The Fellowship opening was friggin amazing.
weaving for sinestro by casinoskunk	Jun 12th, 2009 10:26:53 AM

Ringwearer9 sighting... by DocPazuzu	Jun 12th, 2009 10:37:38 AM
...in the Conan TB.
Clancy Brown for SMAUG by IAmLegolas	Jun 12th, 2009 10:39:36 AM
hell no to Sean Connery, Liam Neeson or James Earl Jones
Someone here... by DocPazuzu	Jun 12th, 2009 10:42:27 AM
...could have been morGoth, once posted an way out of the Bilbo casting dilemma. He mentioned that there is one instance where Gandalf met Bilbo long after the events of The Hobbit but before LOTR. One could cast a young Bilbo in the movies, yet tack on an epilogue with Holm as Bilbo as to preserve continuity.
Ian Holm as Narration-Only Bilbo by IAmLegolas	Jun 12th, 2009 10:50:03 AM
James McAvoy or Martin Freeman as Young Bilbo
How About Morgan Freeman as Bilbo by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 10:55:41 AM
That'd definitely be going in a new direction.
Hinder Vs. Kill by kevinwillis.net	Jun 12th, 2009 10:56:54 AM
Fair enough. Still works fine, for me. If that's all the liberty they take with the Hobbit, I'll be perfectly pleased.
But Who Is Going To Play Tom Bombadil?!?!?! by LaserPants	Jun 12th, 2009 11:09:42 AM
Tiddly tee hee! I'm Tom Bombadil! Watch as a skip along the forest, giggling and twinkling! Tee hee! Oh, look, here comes Frodo and Sam! They make such a nice couple. I hope gay marriage is made legal in The Shire, cause those two queens are so sweet!
RankinBass Cartoon = NePlusUltra of LOTR Related Products & Serv by LaserPants	Jun 12th, 2009 11:13:40 AM
Truth.
Sam and Frodo Make Such A Nice Couple by LaserPants	Jun 12th, 2009 11:16:50 AM
Sam = Top. Frodo = Bottom.
HIGH expectations by Logan_1973	Jun 12th, 2009 11:24:21 AM
The LOTR trilogy is near and dear to my heart. Hell it practically took up 4 years of my life lol. Del Toro has his work cut for him here, and will certainly be scrutinized by fans everywhere. I do wish him luck. Just don't cast Downey Jr. in it and everything will be fine. Love the guy, but they seem to put him in EVERYTHING these days...
Memo to Del Toro RE: DOUG JONES by ZombieHeathLedger	Jun 12th, 2009 11:24:42 AM
Doug Jones is an amazingly gifted individual movement-wise. We know how much you love him. But I agree with the above posters. Part of what I didn't like about Hellboy 2 was the ubiquitous use of Doug Jones. He's just too unique to get away with that kind of overuse as multiple parts in the same film. I wouldn't mind if he is in it AS ONE PART- his physique would lend himself to something Elvish I think. I can't wait to see the Battle of the Five Armies!! TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!!
by Cobra--Kai	Jun 12th, 2009 11:29:04 AM
Bredan Gleeson as Thorin. PERFECT! I think my dream vacation right now would be a week trekking in the mountains, coming back each night to a cosy couch and watching a half of each Extended Edition every evening.
Richard Simmons for Tom Bombadil by IAmLegolas	Jun 12th, 2009 11:30:19 AM

Didn't we already know this? by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Jun 12th, 2009 11:43:24 AM
Del Toro has been saying that previous cast members whose characters reappear in "The Hobbit" will be asked back for like a year, and he's mentioned the White Council storyline being included numerous times, too. May I suggest TheOneRing.Net for Hobbit news that isn't 11 months old?
LotR - The movies and the book by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 12th, 2009 11:54:03 AM
I appreciate every time I hear people say what they would have done different and that things should have been included, but one thing I really like, as I watch the movies more than read, I mean I can watch the trilogy in a weekend, is that it's so nice to go back to the book and feel like watching the movies hasn't taken away the "newness" each time I read it. For it is SO intricate. You need 12 trilogies to come close to capturing all of it. And people who read the book, having been excited by the movies, find TONS of "new" stuff to discover and that they have only experienced the lean plot of the movie, for it is a movie. It's nice to have both. I will alawys be glad to have read the book first. But because of how Jackson and co. stayed on "their" vision for "their" movie, we have a great movie(s) that doesn't try to come close to one excellent book. For they know a movie works in a much more limited scope, if you will.
Fa_Tass_DinoMolester - theonering.net by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 12th, 2009 11:56:41 AM
Lol - man I think every day for four years they had a hit from me. God bless that site for giving me my daily LotR fix.
The two movies by DinoBass	Jun 12th, 2009 12:00:38 PM
are actually gonna be the Hobbit split into 2 halves. Del Toro confirmed that when he was in LA promoting The Strain. Although it looks like a bunch of stuff that happens "offscreen" in the book will find its way into the movies.
Audio interview with Del Toro by trashotron	Jun 12th, 2009 12:11:32 PM
I talked to Del Toro about The Strain and his work on The Hobbit ... here, http:// bookotron.com/agony
Ben Stiller As Bilbo!!! by MANZILLA	Jun 12th, 2009 12:15:40 PM
Cheech Marin as Smaug!!!!!!!
Christian Bale is Tom Bombadill by WillFerret	Jun 12th, 2009 12:17:11 PM

bombadill by WillFerret	Jun 12th, 2009 12:19:57 PM

bombadill by WillFerret	Jun 12th, 2009 12:19:58 PM

bombadill by WillFerret	Jun 12th, 2009 12:19:58 PM

bombadill by WillFerret	Jun 12th, 2009 12:19:58 PM

by Cobra--Kai	Jun 12th, 2009 12:52:25 PM
Ralph Macchio as Bilbo!!! Bobcat Goldthwaite as the voice of Smaug!!!!!!!
by Cobra--Kai	Jun 12th, 2009 12:53:54 PM
Cheech Marin and Steve Guttenberg = now the same person. How the faaark did that happen?
Warwick Davis as a Giant by Samuel Fulmer	Jun 12th, 2009 01:05:59 PM

Martin Freeman as Bilbo?! WTF by Darth_Tarantino	Jun 12th, 2009 01:06:55 PM
No thank you...I'd prefer McAvoy. But really, I want Anton Yelchin to play Bilbo as a young man with Holm doing voice-over work.
I hope it's in Spanish by Samuel Fulmer	Jun 12th, 2009 01:07:17 PM
That way people will see past it's flaws like they did Pan's Labyrinth.
Do you realize what this means? by loogenhausen	Jun 12th, 2009 01:12:16 PM
If they're going to continue backwards, a Silmarillion movie can't be far behind, especially if these Hobbit films perform on the level of the LOTR trilogy. Now that would be a badass movie if done right - Morgoth could be a wickedly memorable movie villain.
Cobra Kai - what a fucking shout that is! by DiamondJoe	Jun 12th, 2009 01:19:00 PM
Brendan Gleeson as Thorin - a round of applause, sir. I think Gleeson is one of the most underrated actors working today. He is not aware of the meaning of the words "bad performance". Del Toro - get his number and book him the fuck in, now. Anton Yelchin? Could live with him more than McAvoy. Still say Toby Jones is yer man though.
by Cobra--Kai	Jun 12th, 2009 01:19:10 PM
loogenhausen, I loved Toliekn's Hobbit and LOTR but I just didn't connect with the Silmarillion. Very Old Testament style, no dialogue or conversations between characters just centuries upon centuries of described events. Kinda boring actually.
by Cobra--Kai	Jun 12th, 2009 01:22:00 PM
DiamondJoe yeah, Gleeson can play comical, heroic and also extremely menacing. If I remember there are some scenes where Thorin acts in all these way. Imagine Gleeson seeing the gold and not wanting to give it up - he'd nail that scene.
You can do parts of the Silmarillion by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 01:39:57 PM
The story of Beren and Luthien is very doable (although: Talking Dog = Disney film? shudder). They've already "remade" a part into the Children of Hurin, so that's possible. And of course you could do the end of the Second Age: Fall of Numenor as prologue into the Last* Alliance ... although the prologue of the LOTR movies spoiled that one ;)
Richard Simmons for Tom Bombadil by LaserPants	Jun 12th, 2009 01:52:58 PM
SECONDED!
Why the young'uns? by Mr Lucas	Jun 12th, 2009 01:54:34 PM
I think I would be physically ill if that smug schoolboy McAvoy is allowed anywhere near this film. I thought Bilbo was described as chubby and in his fifties. I think Holm could play Bilbo - for any long shots or physical stuff it's not a problem to use doubles. It depends on his general health I suppose. I'm not sure he'd want to do it either. If it must be re-cast, I'd like to see someone closer to his appearance and voice than, say McGregor to Guinness.
Ian McShane or that dude from 24 and allstate commericals as sma by rudimus maximus	Jun 12th, 2009 02:08:16 PM

Yes. Ian McShane for Smaug is pitch perfect by DoctorWho?	Jun 12th, 2009 02:17:07 PM
...and he's British!
They're using Harry Knowles as a rendered model for Smaug by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer	Jun 12th, 2009 02:25:38 PM

I tend to agree with Tolkien's son... by Ironhelix	Jun 12th, 2009 02:28:06 PM
...when i say i believe that his work's are particularly unsuitable for film. The Fellowship of the Ring was the ONLY movie in that series that did anything for me at all, and it didn't do much. The entire tone of the movies was all wrong, for the director didn't get the fact that the books are NOT about action, but about the journey. The books spend just enough time on the action to explain what happens, where the movies are non-stop action all the time. There is none of the wonder from the books in the movies at all, and i think it's because Middle Earth is a place that can only really exist in your mind.
part of the score was leaked... by Cap'n Jack	Jun 12th, 2009 02:35:50 PM
http://tinyurl.com/ldsb72
Ironhelix- by Cap'n Jack	Jun 12th, 2009 02:37:32 PM
Sorry dude, I've read the LOTR dozens of times and there's tons of action. Also, quite a bit more violent. Lots of cleaving of skulls and beheading.
by Cobra--Kai	Jun 12th, 2009 02:42:44 PM
Ironhelix, not the Extended Editions - those movies really have time to breathe and 'exist' as you say.
I want a lightning-animated Frankie, dammit! by Kid Z	Jun 12th, 2009 02:46:58 PM
... None of this Kenneth Branaugh-amniotic-fluid-with-e lectric eels-in a big boiler BS from the last time they tried to update Frankenstein. No Stephen Sommers-clear plastic-skulltop-with-Green Lantern-glow-and-leg braces either! Ya hear me Guillermo? Do it right!
Conceptually with the people involved.. by Arteska	Jun 12th, 2009 02:58:05 PM
...this almost feels too good to be true. Gonna savor the wait for these.
Hellboy 2 was shit by Ecto-1	Jun 12th, 2009 03:33:55 PM
After the self indulgent crap that was Hellboy 2, I'm not holding out much hope for this and can't even get excited about it. And Frankenstein? Yea, lets adapt something that's been done a billion times already.
chrth: "Hobbit" can be interpreted that way... by Playkins	Jun 12th, 2009 04:01:16 PM
...but Tolkien FLATLY refuses that he uses allegory and symbolism in his work.
HellShit by DutchDuck	Jun 12th, 2009 04:04:31 PM
Thanks, but no. Anything Jackson or del Toro is a wast of time. I'll pass.
David Sedaris IS the voice of Smaug by gavdiggity	Jun 12th, 2009 04:36:46 PM
that would be incredible.
Morgan Freeman as Radagast by I am the most horrible	Jun 12th, 2009 04:51:24 PM
Trolls: Brendan Gleeson, Alexei Sayle and Robbi Coltrane Brian Blessed as Thorin
When's the animated film getting a Blu-Ray disc? by SoylentMean	Jun 12th, 2009 05:01:25 PM

Oh, and where the fuck is Flight of Dragons? by SoylentMean	Jun 12th, 2009 05:02:17 PM
I loved that movie as a kid and it hasn't even hit DVD yet. Stupid poopheads.
hobbits VS PRedators 2014 by mattforce7	Jun 12th, 2009 05:44:33 PM
and we will be fucking eyeballs and mandibles for weeeeks
Playkins: Not quite by chrth	Jun 12th, 2009 05:44:45 PM
Tolkien was completely disingenuous with that comment, and it is arguable that he was only referring to the Lord of the Rings, and reacting to the heavy-handed use of allegory by his compatriot Lewis. Leaf by Niggle is pure allegory, and Tolkien knew it.
HOW CAN YOU GET A BETTER DRAGON THAN "BEOWULF?" by CopOnTheEdge	Jun 12th, 2009 05:54:36 PM
Answer: YOU CAN'T. That reveal of the MASSIVE dragon in the cave, tucked into the shadows looming over Beowulf, is one of the greatest OH SHIT moments in fantasy filmmaking. Of course it was designed for 3d Imax and that's how I viewed it and the result was poo-poo exploding out of my pants. But the point being: P. Jackson and GDT dragging out the modeling and rigging of this amazing new dragon smells of Jackson making Weta model EVERY BUILDING in 1930s New York City for King Kong. I.e., doesn't really need to be done, won't pay off on camera, but it sure puts more bucks in Weta's coffers, which in turn puts them in Peter's wallet because he's a gross partner. Not saying I don't want a kick-ass dragon, but with so many great ones on film, especially in the past few years (Harry Potter, Beowulf, LOTR, even the dinos in Jurassic or King Kong having dragon-like characteristics) c'mon, can't be THAT tough.
Robert Forester as Gandolf, The Rock™ as Beorn... by Darth_Inedible	Jun 12th, 2009 05:57:58 PM
Steven Tyler as Saruman and ZZTop for the rest of the white council. Edward James Olmos with prosthetic tail as Smaugh. Clancy Brown as all three cave trolls. Have Tarantino direct it = instant classic.
Tom Waits as Smog by pendy16	Jun 12th, 2009 06:06:44 PM
Good god would that be cool...
Pendy16 you magnificent bastard by IAmLegolas	Jun 12th, 2009 06:17:26 PM
Tom Waits would rule!
Can't wait for this by FUCK_YOU_GEORGE_LUCAS	Jun 12th, 2009 06:27:28 PM
Tolkien + del Torro and Jackson. Yes please.
Michael Cera as Aragorn, Ellen Page as Bilbo, Seth Rogen as Gloi by CopOnTheEdge	Jun 12th, 2009 06:38:39 PM
C'mon, you know you were thinking it. Give it that 'young Hollywood' reboot. And they'll be stoned on Gandalf's kind herb.
they should get the voice of Faggy the Hutt from clone wars by Six Demon Bag	Jun 12th, 2009 06:39:57 PM
to voice smaug
Six Demon Bag - don't be silly! by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 12th, 2009 07:03:05 PM
They couldn't afford that thing! And so we shall all suffer!
Smaug! Just go for James Earl Jones! by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 12th, 2009 07:06:43 PM
"Bilbooooo! Iiiiiye! Am your father! . . . . Oh, I'm just kidding, now show yourself so we can laugh about this whole thing! Hello? Curses! Your defenses are impenetrable!"
Martin Freeman will own Bilbo by Timstuff	Jun 12th, 2009 07:29:26 PM
McAvoy is just too baby faced to be Bilbo, and it would be kind of jarring to go from someone as young and smooth looking as him in The Hobbit to Ian Home in the LOTR flashback. Freeman is the perfect happy medium IMO.
SoylentMean by Dingbatty	Jun 12th, 2009 07:46:33 PM
We won't get Flight of Dragons until someone coughs up a copy of the Laserdisc that isn't suffering from bit rot, or if someone finds the original tape. Until then, you'll have to console yourself with the bootleg DVD, or a VHS copy (I've a shrinkwrapped copy, if anyone is interested).
I did not know that Dingbatty, now I must frown by SoylentMean	Jun 12th, 2009 08:06:09 PM
So basically, for the longest time, studio executives used film stock for toilet paper. I hate studio executives. I also hate Ewok mange (it just looks unsightly).
It's all in Guillermo's reflexes... by porkchop_Xpress	Jun 13th, 2009 12:20:26 AM
Yes, Sir, the check is in the mail. Get ready for some real pay-off, bisnitches! Did I just say "bisnitches"? I think I did...
Liam Neeson as the bowman by GavinVanDraven	Jun 13th, 2009 12:27:21 AM
you know you want it. the dude needs to have a part in every franchise.
@SoylentMean by Dingbatty	Jun 13th, 2009 02:28:09 AM
Yup. The studio execs are greedy, but uncaring. Which equals stupidly greedy. If only they had thought they needed to preserve stuff in order to continue making money off of it. Never fear, though. There are a couple of guys out there who are painstakingly searching for and buying up every copy of the Laserdisc that shows up on online auction sites, in order to find one that is pristine (apparently, it had a low run).
You'd be surprised what bubbles up, by Dingbatty	Jun 13th, 2009 02:32:04 AM
now and then. I've found hardcover TSR AD&D books from the 70's (which are usually beaten to hell and back) in used/remaindered bookstores that look like they just rolled off the presses.
Christopher Lee for Smaug by Timstuff	Jun 13th, 2009 03:23:26 AM
If John Rhys Davis can be both Gimli and Tree Beard, then Lee can be both Sauruman and Smaug. I hear he was upset that Sauruman's death was cut from the theatrical cut of ROTK, and if they want to get him back for The Hobbit then throwing in the voice of Smaug as a consolation prize would certainly make it worth his while.
Hulk Hogan for Smaug by firehawk_thexder	Jun 13th, 2009 11:04:05 AM
“My armour is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, Brother"
F. Murray Abraham for Smaug! by finky089	Jun 14th, 2009 07:03:37 PM
not really, but I'll throw that guy's name in the ring for just about anything.
Hey Prossor, how do you REALLY feel about those Moon ads? by finky089	Jun 14th, 2009 07:15:31 PM
let your hate flow....gooood. Goooooood.
Top Ten here we come! by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:02:56 AM

And, we're off! by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:03:11 AM

It'll be a marathon sprint... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:03:27 AM

that'll take about 30 posts by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:03:45 AM

and record timing to see if i can do it by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:04:13 AM

only 25 more! by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:04:29 AM

Anyone want to see my 12-in Captain Antilles???? by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:04:48 AM

or my T: Salvation LIFE SIZE BUST! by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:05:18 AM
hot shit!
It'll be interesting to see how GDT does the Hobbit by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:05:51 AM

Given, that he's going to get a big budget from the start by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:06:23 AM

...and his knack for macabre visuals by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:06:40 AM

....it's possible, just possible.... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:07:03 AM

...that The Hobbit may come out looking... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:07:32 AM

....better than the original LOTR trilogy by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:07:53 AM

I'd like to see Peter Dinklage in a role. by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:08:24 AM

Somebody before suggested Karen Carpenter for Gollum by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:09:20 AM

but, she's dead. So that can't work. by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:09:40 AM

...but, what about Shelly Duvall? by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:10:06 AM

Too tall, you say? by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:10:22 AM

Maybe, but don't tell me she doesn't have the FACE for it. by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:10:39 AM

Put her face on an Olsen twin body... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:11:07 AM

...and i think you'll have a good "younger" Gollum by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:11:35 AM

ok, more than 1/2 way there! by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:12:10 AM

I wonder, too, how it will feel without a "sexy" male role? by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:13:00 AM

hear me out now. I'm talking about an Aragorn or Legolas. by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:13:35 AM

Someone for girls to latch on to... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:13:55 AM

Oh, sure, Gandalf gets some of you nerds "hot", but... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:14:17 AM

they need a character of greater sex appeal for the ladies by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:14:59 AM
the ones under 70.
Hobbit will have a bunch of midgets with beards... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:15:18 AM

goblins, the aforementioned old man, a grumpy dragon... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:15:51 AM

and, yeah, some Mirkwood elves, but they don't play a big role by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:16:21 AM

you've got the humans in the town near Smaug's lair by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:16:53 AM

I guess they can cull a "Legolas" or "Aragorn" from one of those by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:17:19 AM

guys by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:17:31 AM

Is it just me, or does "Necromancer" sound like... by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:18:19 AM
a D&D porno?
Well, my work here is done, friends by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:18:38 AM

Goodnight, and have a pleassant tomorrow by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:18:58 AM

And, yes, F. MURRAY ABRAHAM FOR SMAUG!! by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:19:33 AM

Actually, he could work as a younger Saruman by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:20:06 AM
if Lee couldn't do it for some reason...
be sure to bilbo your baggins, kids! by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:20:55 AM

(wow, only 18 minutes!) by Puddleglum	Jun 15th, 2009 12:21:36 AM
none of which I will ever get back..... : (
With all the tiny people in this movie it's gonna be by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 15th, 2009 02:29:55 AM
like Willow 2. Fuck this!
As long as gandalf don't change into every zoo animal there is by finky089	Jun 15th, 2009 03:26:53 PM
and a young Aragorn (if they should need to add this character) doesn't resemble "Mad Martigan", it could be ok. Think "Time Bandits", but stuck in Middle Earth.
Come to think of it- by finky089	Jun 15th, 2009 03:28:03 PM
wasn't Billy Barty in Willow, too? Guess that shouldn't be surprising, though.
Isn't it obvious - Stuart Townsend for young Aragorn! by Thunderbolt Ross	Jun 15th, 2009 10:10:18 PM
Finally there will be JUSTICE!
"never explaining that Denethor has a palantir is irksome." by Thunderbolt Ross	Jun 15th, 2009 10:12:31 PM
nerd quote of the week

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