Long Live Letterman.

Maybe the misogynist old fart will find his missing "funny" by making more jokes about having sex with a 14-year old girl

You stay classy Dave.

I was expecting Jimmy Fallon to either get fired or get better by now. I don't know if you guys saw it but the interview with Paul Simon was painful to watch. He had his back to Jimmy for most of it and Steve Martin basically did the interview. And Jimmy kept lurching over the desk to try to get in on the conversation. He just doesn't seem to get that stars come on to promote and talk about themselves. It's not a first date. If someone says they did something he has to say "me too" and starts telling his own anecdote. Someone's gonna punch him in the face or walk out. I just know it.

But during the latter part of the Bush years -- and DEFINITELY during this last election -- Letterman just decided he would be the crankly of Leftist fuck he's become on TV, to the point that he thinks REPEATEDLY making fun of Palin's teenage daughter counts as humor. Yet funny thing about Dave -- when Biden's daughter was accused of coke use recently (and an ex friend was trying to peddle the tape of her doing her blow), you didn't see Dave making fun of her, now did you? This comes on top of the fact that he became unhinged when McCain cancelled that one appearance and Letterman felt the need to cry about it every night till McCain showed up and apologized -- which frankly probably cost McCain a few votes for sucking up to Letterman that way.

I'm actually old enough to remember when Letterman was on NBC during the DAY and starting out. He was off-beat and somewhat funny, but frankly he also never recovered from the NBC snub of picking Leno as the TONIGHT SHOW host. Like a petulant child, he's been a total ass ever since -- and I've met people who've worked at the Letterman show and they say he's a total cock behind the scenes, too.

I agree that Jon Stewart would be the likely and best person to take over, to transition the show and give CBS a better, more vibrant and hip show to go against Conan. I think the idea that Letterman beat Conan the other day was due to the guest line up...not to mention, Conan is obviously still getting his TONIGHT SHOW sea legs under him. But a year from now, I'm sure that once again we'll be talking about how Letterman STILL can't beat the TONIGHT SHOW, at which point I'm sure Dave will likewise still be doing tacky, tasteless jokes about Palin because that's literally just how stale and lame Letterman has since become. Frankly, Letterman needs to watch out -- the younger, hipper crowd that weren't "old farts" that didn't like Leno, so they wanted LATE NIGHT instead, are very likely to migrate over to Conan anyway just for him being younger and hipper and more fun. So, I expect Letterman's numbers to start showing an attrition over the course of the year anyway...

What Letterman said?

"...It was an uncomfortable situation when during the seventh inning stretch Alex Rodriguez knocked up her daughter"

I'm sorry, but didn't that bitch just run for vice president on the tit of "family values" while her unwed teenage daughter was knocked up?

Fuck you if you can't take a joke. Fuking Liars.

The remark was aired live, but CBS removed it from the transcript it makes available to media, including the New York Times, which publishes Letterman’s opening monologue on its blog site.

Hey, lets joke about Sasha and Malia! They're from the inner-city, right? Shit, they're probably pregnant already! Ha ha ah! ha!

Jesus fucking Christ.

Kudos to the guy for making it work for so long!

Call me crazy, but I think you give up your right to get all self-righteous about pregnancy jokes right around the time you willingly allow your underage daughter to share a room with her hillbilly boyfriend and - SHOCK - she gets knocked up.

Call me crazy, but I think you give up your right to get all self-righteous about pregnancy jokes right around the time you willingly allow your underage daughter to share a room with her hillbilly boyfriend and - SHOCK - she gets knocked up.

Oh, wait--it is both.

Just in case you failed to pick up on that one, too.

I never knew the Spitzers and Palins hung out together. You would think the NY Post would have been all over it.

Since I watching BBTN (or was it Sports Center?) and missed both Letterman and O'Brien, and so the so-called top 10 list, I just assumed the joke was about the daughter who had been pregnant out of wedlock. She was probably at home with her infant anyway and missed the game. Guess the Letterman writers blew it.

Sorry.

This whole controversy proves how wrong it is to take the coverage off the playing field and into the stands. Not that the fans, or invited VIPs, are incapable of adding drama. But coverage should always be about the game.

It's one thing to make fun of a political candidate, but that little 14 year-old girl doesn't deserve that treatment.

You think Letterman would ever say something like that about Obama's kids? Or that the Obama wife looked like a "slut?" No way.

It's tired already.

I used to like Letterman more than Leno, but now I'm sticking with Conan because...he's actually funny.

But hey, you don't like her politics so therefore she's a cunt and a whore right?

Class act dude.

And like most people you misuse the word hypocrite. A hypocrite is someone who PRETENDS to have certain standards, beliefs etc. yet acts opposite. A person who holds high standards, morals, ethics... and then falls short of those stated goals (which is EVERYBODY)is not a hypocrite. Just human.

And lastly, the Palins were in town with their 14 year old daughter. Dav'es joke was about their their daughter visiting NY with them. Some homework should have been done. Todd Palin said “Any 'jokes' about raping my 14-year-old are despicable." If you're not down with that then you either don't have kids or simply have no class.

1) Sarah Palin is a proponent of, has campaigned on, and continues to espouse, abstinence-only education (among numerous other conservative moral issues)

2) Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol is a national spokesperson for abstinence

3) Sarah Palin allowed her underage daughter's boyfriend to spend the night in said daughter's bedroom

4) Bristol Palin became an unwed teenage mother

5) Alex Rodriguez is a notorious man-whore

6) Letterman suggested that, when the Palin family attended a Yankees game, one of their daughters had been impregnated by Alex Rodriguez

That is the joke: the discrepancy between the Palin's beliefs and their actions, and the absurdity of a baseball player inseminating a fan in the middle of a game.

And it SHOULD have gone without saying for the love of christ, but Letterman was referring to BRISTOL Palin in the joke, not Willow. It's perfectly valid to criticize him for not doing the research, but is that really crucifixion-worthy? And it should have doubly gone without saying that anyone who calls this a rape joke is a sensationalist, incendiary fool.

Good to see you too, Dennis. *Hat tip.* And you're right about Bristol/Willow, here's what Dave said per Newsweek: "These are not jokes made about her 14-year-old daughter. I would never, never make jokes about raping or having sex of any description with a 14-year-old girl. I mean, look at my record. It has never happened. I don't think it's funny. I would never think it was funny. I wouldn't put it in a joke....All right, so there, I hope I've cleared part of this up. Am I guilty of poor taste? Yes. Did I suggest that it was OK for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? No."

As a reference for all of this, look back to the first few seasons of SNL. They often tripped over the good taste line, unfortunately. But when they walked it carefully, there was some of the best comedy of the '70s. It's all about being thoughtful.

I am far from righteous. Holy Hell, There both in poor taste, rape is not a better premise then racism. And the Palin girl is not presenting herself as a fully formed adult, and those who treat her like one are pretty intellectualy dishonest.

Stay classy, Dave!

2) David Letterman has an elderly mother.

3) Sometimes psychos kill elderly mothers!

4) Psycho kills Dave's elderly mother.

Ha ha! That is the joke: the idea that the psycho stalking Dave kills his mother.

Wee hee, Paul - Buttafucco!

Ha ha! You gap-toothed, self-important sack of shit! Your mother's dead! Ha ha!

I love how the candidate's CAMPAIGN that you disagree with is "divisive." The candidate's CAMPAIGN that you support, however, is a "uniting!"

That better?

Also, wouldn't mind some clarification about how the candidate and his or her campaign are differentiated, since one originates the other.

Willow was at the Yankees game, not Bristol. Willow is fourteen. this has been pointed out to Letterman. he has had no sense of embarrassment about the implication he was referring to willow instead of Bristol.

regardless, neither Bristol now Willow are fair game just because their mother is a public figure. That was the rationale everyone honored about Chelsea Clinton and she was the president's daughter--a much hihher profile status than daughter of a losing Veep candidate.

Todd Palin ought to beat the living snot out of Letterman with alex Rodriguez standing in line waiting for his turn to take a couple whacks himself.

I never said rape was the premise for the joke, it obviously isn't. Joking about the kids of politicians has always been a no-no in late night tv.

Making those kind of cracks involving kids lowers the tone of valid discourse. (Insert intercourse jokes here)

I'm a huge fan of late night comedy, Letterman is the king, Conan is the jester. But he went for the cheap laugh.

I don't find it intellectually dishonest to say that Bristol, an 18-year-old mother, is presenting herself as a young adult. I tried to be an adult at 18, even if I was still a bit of a kid. My mother certainly presented herself as a young adult when she married my dad at 18 and when she had her first child at 19. Does Bristol come off as fully formed? No, but she *does* present as an adult trying to act as a mentor to younger girls. Given, however, that we treat people as kids well into their twenties - with men acting like high school boys, living on video games and beer - and call adult women "girls" in their 30s, and that this seems ridiculous to me, probably means I'm skewed out of the mainstream.

Recent history shows that Palin isn't the only one to face these types of 'attacks' but yet she's happy to play the 'I have the last word!' game just like a child. McCain himself insults Chelsea Clinton when she was quite young (14 I think) so let's not pretend it's the big mean liberal juggernaut (hah!) that's mercilessly attacking Palin. (McCain later apologized)

Plus Letterman, while a jackass, apparently did a large bit saying he was NOT referring to the 14 year old but since adulthood has gone the way of the fucking dodo in this country's voluntarily idiotic populace, nobody believes it and now people think he's a pedophille? The Palin's even implied it in their juvenile response...."Keep Willow away from Dave" as if he's actually going to what? Grope her? Are you kidding with this mickey mouse bullshit?

Holy shit man...what's happened to this country lately? What's next? Wrestling matches? Celebrity boxing? How trite is this bullshit gonna get?! From Dave we expect it, he's a 'was funny 15 years ago' comedian and nothing more..Palin's the fucking governor of Alaska fer Cookiemonster's sake!

Do you guys realize that 'Idiocracy' wasn't just a comedy but a veritable prophecy? It's coming true before our very eyes! Mike Judge is a god damned GENIUS.

The 'rape' part comes if you think he did mean the 14-year old, she's under the age of consent.

Look up the definition of 'hypocrite' - it does not mean what you think it means.

The end result will be a continued erosion of Dave's audience and a possible appearance by Palin on Conan, probably during sweeps.

1) Dave’s joke was based on the factual backgrounds of the people involved and invoked irony

2) Your joke was based on the factual background of Dave, and

3) You, and the knee-jerk reactionaries like you, are a complete idiot.

Not terribly surprising, I know, but there you have it. Keep up the great work, champ! (Although bear in mind that your joke did NOT involve irony and is therefore not a joke in the same sense. Next time, try for something like “Dave’s psycho stalker spent all of his/her adult life campaigning against killing elderly grandmothers, until… whoopsie!”).

All the best, fuckstick.

The best part is that Letterman has been making jokes about Sarah and Bristol for a year. However, NOW it has become an insane issue.

If you accept his word that they meant the 18-year old then it's not rape, just a lame, creepy 'joke' on an inappropriate target. I really doubt A-Rod appreciated being slimed by association.

As for outrage, who's using the all-caps motif on this thread? Who is using violent, anti-woman imagery and language? As usual, it's the tolerant left.

"It's a big dirty game!" LOL! You got that right, although I wouldn't admit to playing it, personally, much less relishing in it.

Why do you THINK I mentioned Downs and Palin?

Am I okay with being sick and evil? Not really. I don't think it's okay to murder doctors and shoot up museums. What about you? Do you think it's okay?

You've once again proven you can sling an insult but not refute anything I said or make a single cogent point. Try again, chief.

If Palin wants to manufacture a feud, then the gloves come off. Bring it!

A) Don't understand the fundamentals of humor and are having an emotional gut reaction,

B) Are allergic to logic, or

C) Have not seen or heard the joke in question and are reacting purely based on the sensationalist bullshit their favorite talking head ideologue told them to think.

THE JOKE IS THAT ALEX RODRIGUEZ IS PROMISCUOUS AND BRISTOL PALIN IS AN UNWED TEENAGE MOTHER WHOSE ACTIONS (and her mother's tacit approval of those actions) HAVE RUN COUNTER TO HER FAMILY'S BELIEFS = IRONY + ABSURDITY = JOKE. Period. End of sentence. Anyone who makes the claim "he would never say that about Obama's family OMGWTF

Coughlins Laws, It does make sense that it's not a rape joke and it's about irony and hypocrisy because those are the facts. It's absolutely possible to get the same point across without calling Palin's children hookers and sluts (although I'm taking your word on it that this was the verbage used, nothing I read or heard Letterman say was that profane or offensive in diction) and even calling Palin herself "slutty" is out of line, but my point has always been that this is an overreaction based on a few people stirring up controversy and far more people buying the controversy whole-cloth. No, you're not going to make a joke about "Obama's crackwhore daughters" because it has never been a national news story that his daughters smoke crack and have sex for money thus it's not a joke, it's just an unfounded insult. You could make a joke about Obama himself regarding crack and that would be valid but it would also be in poor taste, just like Letterman's Palin joke. It would not, however, be justification to ream you in the press.

Good lord. Guys like you need to seriously go back to school and re-study your geo-political theorems. And then you need to start reading up on what and who that nutbag was influenced by. You'll be amazed at how many right-wing "conservatives" will show up in your research.

Anything to defend the party though, right? Rush? Coughlins?

I do not condone personal attacks or below-the-belt style jokes on (her) children. However, Dave can lob zingers at Sarah and Todd all he wants for all I care. And I hope he continues to do so.

Actually, it sounds a lot like some Ron Paul supporters...who were actually "true conservatives".

Anyway, what's a casualty? Moron.

But I did say a Sarah Palin should run through the Denali naked, and a sniper in a helicopter needs to take her the fuck out. Wolf style-- beeeyatch.

Awwwww the good old days. I don't even have to exaggerate when I call you a spineless cunt. You basically beg for the title on your knees.

But you're clearly a confused person who doesn't know much about Paul (his supporters) or his standing in the REPUBLICAN party.

You disgust me you repulsive turd. Now you're not even funny anymore. You're just filler.

Has your opinion changed since you began the cock worship?

Also clear is that Coughlins (along with his since-banned buddy AnimalBraneRoddyPiper) is not capable of determining party affiliation since they both think Bush is a Liberal too.

Face it, sweetheart. You own Bush and you own Von Brunn. You also own the guy who killed the doctor. Your side is fast disintegrating, and you had better start getting your house in order.

8 years of Bush and not one right-winger has ever had to fear for his/her life. 6 months into the Obama Presidency, and you guys are terrorizing the country.

Fuck you all.

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You know, it's the one where you said that the world's news services would soon be swarming with the story about how Obama had given Gordon Brown "useless" DVDs. It's also the talkback where you accused me of being a "liar" and repeatedly demanded "an apology" from me when I explained how wrong you were. Is it all coming back to you now? No? Well how about the fact that I came back to the talkback, completely crushed you and PROVED that I was right and wondered if maybe it was YOU who should apologize for being wrong -- remember that?

Of course you do.

Still, I hope you take the time to peruse it for the hilarity value. It's exhibit A in terms of demonstrating what a truly worthless piece of shit you are.

Love, Doc.

And the quote posted above is pretty much exactly what you said. You said several times, on many occasions its "Its not exactly normal/natural" You would alternate between words. Of course you will never stand by your own words. You say shit and deny it later, which is the ultimate act of cowardice.

Yeah-- she is a SLUT, just like you are a DUMB FUCK.

Shouldn't you liberals and democrats be happy and not so full of spite and hate?

Do you have a touch of Downs or something? Do you actually expect anyone to make sense of what you say?

Not only is this a blatantly false statement, it shows just how woefully ignorant you are of the issue(s).

Seriously, you need to start reading up on current events and about the people involved. Von Brunn and the Dr. Tiller murders are a good place to start. So is reading about the recent DHS report on the rise of right-wing extremist groups.

There....hahahha. So funny. DGDB is a virgin!

And you're still a fucking idiot. Now what?

I don't read the message boards of places like The Huffington Post or Dailykos. But I imagine that their tone is not matched by the actions of certain individuals who post on right-wing messageboards. Have you familiarized yourself with that particular brand of hate being espoused by people in your chosen party?

Keep posting....you're doing great.

Now fuck off. I'm done.

You swore that it was a "fact", or rather "FACT", that Brown had tried watching the discs and that they had not worked. You quoted British newspapers, but when it was pointed out to you that the "story" was a bit of humorous fabulation on their part, you refused to admit you were wrong or apologize.

This is the point: you demand apologies from people you perceive have "lied", but refuse to apologize yourself when it turns out YOU were wrong. You also issue challenges and when they are met, you ignore the answers.

You are colossally ignorant and hideously arrogant and thus impossible to debate because you simply cannot accept facts when they go against your notions.

You're also a cunt.

You're fucking demented.

Cunt.

Stop being a cunt.

Instead, they're rooting for the anti-American bogeyman to stay in power.

Middle East Forum Director Daniel Pipes said in a speech at the Heritage Foundation that he would vote for Ahmadinejad if he could.

American Enterprise Institute's Michael Rubin told National Review's Kathryn Jean Lopez it might be better for Ahmadinejad to win, because a loss might give Obama the impression that diplomacy was working.

Other neocons, worried a shift in power will signal a fresh start relations with Iran, are already deflating a Mousavi win. The same pundits who constantly point out Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism, and nuclear ambitions as reasons to confront Iran now argue that the president doesn't matter. Martin Peretz wrote at the New Republic, "We've known for a long time that elected leaders do not carry the weight of those who have been anointed." Ilan Berman seconded at the American Spectator, "Whoever ends up becoming president will have little real power -- and even less influence over Iran's geostrategic direction."

In fact, Mousavi does disagree with Ahmadinejad on a key policy point. Unlike the current president, he would back nuclear talks with Iran and United Nations Security Council members.

That's oxymoronic. Minus the oxy.

And I for one appreciate that you aren't one of those "follow the leader" type liberals.

Outrageous.

Only the people who knew the younger Palin was the ONLY one at the game would realize the error.

And again, stop using the word rape for God's sake.

And again, tell me WHO CALLED BRISTOL A SLUT OR A HOOKER?

Oh thats right YOU'RE the only one to do so.

At the GOP convention in St. Paul, Palin was completely unfazed by the boys' club fraternity she had just joined. One night, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter went to her hotel room to brief her. After a minute, Palin sailed into the room wearing nothing but a towel, with another on her wet hair. She told them to chat with her laconic husband, Todd. "I'll be just a minute," she said."

Praise be.

And if we're making assumptions...isn't it safe to call Sarah a slut for having an affair with her husband's best friend? I feel that is far worse than having two children from two different fathers.

Apparently to you, getting knocked up means slut.

NO ONE ELSE DID.

But keep ignoring that fact, you fucking moron. Yeah I went ahead and insulted you. Because you're acting like one, and if it walks like a duck... well you know the saying.

And for the record yes I would fuck the spit out of her.

And you really believe it makes any difference who wins in Iran? They're all puppets of the Mullahs. The Mullahs are the rulers, the "President" of Iran is just their puppet.

So..not even an election year and we're on people! Yeehaw!

I say we take Coughlin up on his challenge since he's one who seems to be ready to meet face to face. Obiviously, if there's going to be any actuall ass kicking, it cannot be done in a way that winds somebody up in the pokey so I'm thinking an amatuer boxing match with all the trimmings.

Since the implication is that Coughlin would be ready for these discussions outside of the anonymity of the internet I think he's perfect for the "Right Wing" and now the question is who to fight for the "Left Wing"?

The logical choice would be DG-DB and perhaps he's the best choice but I haven't read that he'd take the challenge as either being legit or worthy of response...so

What say you Danny? Are you up to the BATTLE ROYALE 2000 challenge?

Enough of this verbal tennis match mickey mouse bullshit fellas! Let's act like real men and beat the freakin shit out of each other for having different opinions!

I mean retort after retort...it get's a little difficult to keep up and my reading comprehension is barely above that of a gnat so give us a leg up folks!

And we're not talking EFNY style boxing, we're talking padded, gloved, legit style where sheer pugilistic skill is what keeps the strongest man upright.

Remember the fun when a couple AICN'er s got into the ring with Doctor Uwe Boll and the hilarity and hijinks? Well imagine the fun when these political diehards finally face off, face to face, in the rings of political ass kickery infamously known as BATTLE ROYALE 2000!!!!!

Kumite? Did you say Kumite? Kumite Schmumite...BATTLE ROYALE 2000!!!!!

Personally, I think a perfect setting would be an active volcano in Hawaii. How perfect is that? Just like a scene right out of Mortal Combat! (the video game, not the movie)

Also...that Devil's Tower in Wyoming...it's flat on top right? How apropro right? Cinema geeks...the CEot3K history making location...

I can see it now...lights, smoke...plumes of fire blasting into the night sky hundreds of meters/yards high. Roving spot lights and diverging helicopters, loudspeakers with a variety of Rock and HipHop and maybe some crossover polka/ska here and there. Get some celebrity sponsors like ZZTop and Paris Hilton...

Hmmm...I can see it...

This could be HUGE! And even if the rest of the country says, "Ok, who the fuck are these fucking guys on tv beating each other up?"...who's gonna complain with ZZTop, loud music and fireworks, get a bunch of grills with ribs for the right and tofurkey dogs for the left...

This could be a god damn BONANZA people!

Make it so!

Where was the outrage from our rightwing friends then? Hmm?

or Alan Dershowitz : Judaism

That being said thier children should be off limits.

In all seriousness...how did reasonable and intelligent old school conservatives allow unthinking extremists, without any real political or governing acumen beyond the mediocre, to take over the party? Those men and women were not fools but I fear the opportunity they originally saw for some loyal backers was grounded in numbers (rumor has it it started with Nixon) but not in the possibility that a significant number of them are completely fucking unhinged from reality.

We need more political options, not less.

You far lefters might disagree, but with a 1 dimensional political environment (left-right) and no solid AND reasonable opposition, that the risk of unopposed basically 'tyranical' government can replace a democratic republic in a few generations. Fascism and Communism usually don't happen over night...and we're probably headed to one or the other unless we recognize we need not only 2 viable parties at the god damn MINIMUM(!) but it would be nice if we actually had more than fucking 2 parties...who were actually different from one another!

The greatest irony is...the right blames the left and the left blames the right. Guess what happens? Not a god damned thing.

Hence....BATTLE ROYALE!!!!!!

Vote for BATTLE ROYALE and we'll actually get shit done...or at least keep you entertained! And we won't pretend it's good governance either! Want national health care? FIGHT FOR IT! Want a private mercenary army ala Blackwater? FIGHT FOR IT! Want Bush/Cheney et al investigated for war crimes? FIGHT FOR IT!

Voting is for pussies! Vote with your right cross and uppercuts! Vote with your FIST! (wrapped in a BATTLE ROYALE approved boxing glove, of course...no lawsuits please).

She's no Ashley Biden, I'll tell ya that much. But then again you fuck her and you get the horns from Joe. Imagine those eyes all bugged out and dark red face screaming..."YOU FUCKED MY ONLY LIVING DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!"

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And those who opposed the Iraqi invasion were right - Bush lied. He kept changing his story as the facts contradicted his earlier statements until the story finally matched the facts - it was always about throwing out Saddam. Why he needed to throw out Saddam - well, that led to more lies.

I don't know if Palin is a sweet person or not. It doesn't matter. Being a "regular wife and mother" doesn't qualify her to be governor of Alaska, though. She's obviously not terribly bright or informed and was a very poor choice to run with McCain. I would only hope she fades into the obscurity from which she emerged.

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Because I'm running on a platform of "Coughlins Law is an idiot. Vote for the other guy".

Truly, CL, you are the most obtuse tool ever to post on these TB's.

The irony of your whining post is hilarious:

******"The problem with debating people here is that too many people present their opinons as facts."******

In fact, you are the undisputed Heavyweight Champion of presenting ridiculous opinions as "Facts"!

e.g. Letterman really meant to insult the 14 year old daughter, not the "knocked up" one - therefore he actually called a 14 year old girl a slut.

And as for: *****"I'm not arrogant (even though I think I'm better than all of you). Why can't you show me the respect I show you?"*****

Jesus wept!

You narcissistic pin-head.

Did you have some sort of "Ironysuction" procedure?

You know this to be true.

Palin wasn't elected because she continually made foolish, incoherent statements when she went off-script.

Ordinary people all over the country saw that and decided she was not suitable for national leadership.

Now, all argument aside, can we agree that Coughlin's Laws is a complete fucking cretin.

A joke hurt her feelings?

She's a joke, and that she continues to garner any attention hurts my feelings.

Her 14 yr old will be pregnant before she's 16, you betcha!

There are hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost their jobs and had their savings robbed by capitalist shit-bags, as well as thousands who have died overseas, and these idiots have their underoos in knots over a joke.

That'd be funny if it weren't tragic.

They can take Florida with them.