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Still no coverage of aarden Entertainment's Flash Gordon? Why?
by kingjovis
Jun 10th, 2009
08:56:38 AM
Come on! Some of the books you cover here and very small titles/press...but no Flash! I just don't get it. The book is great. Smartly written, beautifully illustrated, great reviews...and no coverage here. If you are a true comic fan...search it out.
There's two Kids now????????
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
08:57:33 AM
They must be replicating somehow.
I Am -- FIRST! I Am -- DOOM!
by V. von Doom
Jun 10th, 2009
08:58:45 AM
Bug is right about Secret Six vs. Wonder Woman. I keep waiting for the same "kick" in WW and am still waiting. Although there are flashes of brilliancy (Felix Faust's parting line when leaving the Society's headquarters a couple issues ago was classic) it's just insanely difficult to make WW as interesting as a bunch of anti-heroes.
Batman and Robin = Garbage
by shutupfanboy
Jun 10th, 2009
09:04:11 AM
How Morrison still has a job after RIP and Final Crisis is a mystery to me. I read the book and realized it is going nowhere. Sure, the art is good, but a villain named Pyg and a Robinmobile smells of shit thrown against the wall. I wanted Grayson to be Batman, but I want a competent writer to do it.
shutupfanboy, DOOM Commands Your Attention!
by V. von Doom
Jun 10th, 2009
09:07:32 AM
Let Morrison relax and not try to make a cosmic story out of "Batman and Robin" and, like "All-Star Superman", I think the results will be great.
You cold tell me that Batman and Robin is so good it produces an
by The Nihilist
Jun 10th, 2009
09:08:52 AM
...and I still wouldn't buy it. Even though it takes place in regular continuity (I assumed it was it's own self contained world, a la "All Star Superman.") Even though I also like the idea of Dick Grayson as Batman and rather enjoyed "Battle for the Cowl." Grant Morrison just burned his last bridge with me on Infinite Crisis. Such an overwhelming, obnoxious, too-good-to-tell-the-reader-wh at's-actually-happening piece of shit. Fuck that drugged out Scotsman, he's not getting another penny of mine.
2 Kids
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
09:09:22 AM
Don't worry, PG, we're not turning AICN into an all ages site. The younger brother loves reading comics too and once in a blue moon will do a co-review with his brother. Both of the boys were psyched about Batman and Robin and Since someone else was doing that review they settled on doing a 'double review' here of Tiny Titans, another favorite.
The complete title of my previous post was supposed to be..
by The Nihilist
Jun 10th, 2009
09:11:16 AM
"You could tell me that Batman and Robin is so good it produces an orgasm every time you turn the page..." Sigh. Goddamn Talkback formatting that doesn't tell you when you've gone over the character limit in your post title.
Batman and Robin
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
09:11:41 AM
I thought it was a great review of Batman and Robin and summed up my own feelings about the book exactly. I haven't been a huge fan of Morrison's or even Quitely and have been weary over event stunts like this but all the pieces put together ended up being a fantastic comic which I read multiple times. One of my favorite issues of the year. Laughed my ass off at the Ult Spidey review, too.
Ultimatum is so, so bad
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
09:12:54 AM
On so many levels. And I thought it started out pretty well with the tidal wave, but since then it has just been a confusing mess. And this latest issue just took the biscuit. Angel and Captain America smash through the windows of Magneto's sky base? Wouldn't he have been able to rip them to shreds before they even got near? I was looking forward to seeing how the heroes would infiltrate the base of the most powerful mutant on the planet, but it seems no tactics were needed: they just jump straight through the double-glazing and start to battle. And the silent Ultimate Spider-Man wasn't much better - just plain boring. I really can't see how the Ultimate Universe can recover from this magnetic tidal wave of shit.
That review of Ultimatum
by gooseud
Jun 10th, 2009
09:24:53 AM
was awesome on so many levels, Bravo Kid!! He summed up the last Ult Spidey so well in one sentence.
If I had to Guess Slinger
by optimous_douche
Jun 10th, 2009
09:26:24 AM
I would say the kids are replicating through adults fucking.

Just a guess, so I'm open to other theories.

Batman
by Pogue__Mahone
Jun 10th, 2009
09:27:03 AM
I won't lie. I loved me my Batman and Robin!!!
Re: Batman and Robin
by Dragon Man
Jun 10th, 2009
09:30:17 AM
Totally agree with you on your take on this new Batman and Robin, and I didn't even realize I felt that way until I read your take on it. I always felt the character of Bruce Wayne as Batman was a fairly one-dimensional character with not many places to go and he was written as such an arrogant prick for a long time. I think all the possible character opportunities have been mined and then some. This new order with Grayson as Batman and the bastard kid as his sidekick isn't just a marketing ploy; it's a natural progression of that world and those characters. I think it should remain as the natural order.
optimous_douche
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
09:30:22 AM
That's just what the government want you to believe - it's a kid conspiracy!
Ultimatum gets 9 out of 10?
by sean bean
Jun 10th, 2009
09:31:28 AM
To anyone with an IQ out of double digits it should get less than 0. I know The Kid is 8, but really... Speaking of which, not only is it horrendously badly written, it features cannibalism, exploding heads and dismemberment. It's only an anal rape scene away from being at the level of Crossed. Loeb should be ashamed of this shit. Fucking hack.
Thanks Goose
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
09:32:10 AM
Ultimatum's not my cup of tea but I understand why Liam digs it. And yes, as an Ult Spidey fan he was pretty disappointed by the finale to that story.
Batman and Robin
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
09:33:38 AM
Another guy who really enjoyed it here as well. Dick Grayson as Batman seems like it could be interesting. Morrison really seems to a hit-or-miss kind-of guy, writing awesome stories one moment and awesomely crap ones the next.
Ultimatum
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
09:35:08 AM
Sean, the reason you and I and others don't like it is probably precisely the reason why Liam does. It's an out there Marvel book featuring recognizable characters doing things you won't really find them do in the regular books. That's the appeal.
Batman and Robin/UltimateSpider-man
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
09:35:46 AM
Batman and Robin was awesome, but the inks kind of bothered me. And I'm sorry for that, because I realize that its the dumbest complaint ever. I also suspect that the inks were a little "dirty" in comparison to All Star Superman because Batman is "gritty", but still... I wish they had been cleaner.

Ultimate Spider-man... yeah, these Ultimatum ones have seemed really treading-water-y, I wonder, though, if thats because Bendis is at the mercy of the whole stupid event and is just waiting for the whole stupid thing to ge over with?

Although Spider-man's "death", if he really is, happening off-panel was an odd decision... We'll see what happens there, but I am kind of hoping the new Ultimate Spider-man features a Peter without a Peter!
sean bean
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
09:35:48 AM
I've managed to get hold of the final issue and can confirm that Magneto is anal raped to death. By the Hulk. Thus destroying Loeb's comic career forever.
Next week Liam reviews HEROGASM #2
by Squashua
Jun 10th, 2009
09:36:12 AM
Be there!
Joenathan
by sean bean
Jun 10th, 2009
09:39:16 AM
Ultimate Peter Parker is as dead as Carol Danvers or Bruce Wayne - i.e. not dead in any way.
the internet's ripping apart ultimatum #4
by nerfherder111
Jun 10th, 2009
09:41:09 AM
ive just read 3 or 4 different reviews imploring me not to buy it, as it is utter shit.

so it's a good thing the kid let me know about the cool action scenes where the heroes get to use their respective powers. i almost missed out on all that cuz of a bunch of snooty "adult" reviewers.

i mean, i get it, he's a kid, it's a really cool idea and reminds us of the pure joy that came with reading comics before we were worried about boring stuff like character. but would ya please let him stick to books like tiny titans?

and also, kick off all the talkbackers who complain about the kid, because they are annoying too
Gunslinger
by sean bean
Jun 10th, 2009
09:45:07 AM
At least that would be funny. Especially if Magneto continues to pretentiously quote song lyrics as the Hulk pummels his anus. "Hey Mr Tambourine Man... Play a song for me.. In the jingle... jangle mornin'... I'll come following you."
I think Batman and Robin will be good for about ten issues....
by cookylamoo
Jun 10th, 2009
09:45:59 AM
Then Morrison will get bored, as he always does, Quitely will go with him and we'll be stuck with Palmieri and Grey.
Yeah, snooty "adult" reviewers
by sean bean
Jun 10th, 2009
09:48:38 AM
that complain about boring things like plot, characterisation, dialogue, consistency and logic. I wanna read about cool action scenes! FUCK YEAH!
Nerf
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
09:49:29 AM
He doesn't tend to like books like Tiny Titans. A lot of the 'all ages' books tend to be boring for him or dumbed down. While he isn't going to get to read Walking Dead or The Boys anytime soon I'm not going to discourage him or his brothers from reading by telling them they can only read Johnny DC or Marvel Adventure titles.
I liked Batman & Robin
by kafka07
Jun 10th, 2009
09:51:36 AM
but probably wouldn't have bought it if Morrison hadn't written it.
Plot, Characterization and Logic vs Action
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
09:54:59 AM
He's read, enjoyed and reviewed plenty of books based on the story vs the action. He figured out that Dr Hurt was the Devil in RIP. He pieced together the identity of Menace in Amazing Spider-Man. He enjoys the banter of characters in books like New Avengers and Batman but he also thinks it's a cool idea if the people who dress up in these crazy costumes do more than talk all the time and sometimes get to use those powers and kick some ass. It depends on the book with him. If you notice, he'll love a book like Simpsons (no action scenes) because of the humor. He loves New Avengers even though more often than not it's talking over fighting because of the dialoge. But if it's the Hulk or Deadpool or whatever there better be some destruction
Morrison will get bored after 10 issues?
by Laserhead
Jun 10th, 2009
10:00:10 AM
??? See New X-Men, JLA, Doom Patrol, Animal Man, The Invisibles, Batman, etc.

I think you're thinking of Warren Ellis, King of 10-issues-and-out. And 10 is actually some kind of high-water mark.

Is anyone reading
by Series7
Jun 10th, 2009
10:00:54 AM
Bang! Tango?
Ultimatum
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
10:03:06 AM
Is a poorly written comic, but its packed with Comic Book-y stuff, thats why children like it. Kids are like the slack jawed idiots who want to "turn off their brains" at summer movies, but with the potential to become better. I hate Ultimatum, because I demand three dimensional characters doing things that make sense. I demand a well thought out, well told story. Children, like the Kid, are entertained by Barney, so of course he likes Ultimatum... What else would you expect?
Is Flash Gordan any good?
by Series7
Jun 10th, 2009
10:05:08 AM
Or just a rehash of the movie?
Kids
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
10:09:52 AM
Liam's never liked Barney, heh, but he's a big fan of Lost. And 'slack jawed idiots'? Tisk, tisk. He's finishing 2nd grade. At the beginning of the school year they measured his reading/writing abilities and they were at a 3rd grade level. Since he's been reading more (not just comics but non 'picture' books) and getting to think about what he's read and formulate opinions his most recent evaluation a few weeks back put him at a 5th grade level and his teacher was astounded. The choices of books to review and the 5th grade level of writing may not be up to speed for a 30-40 year old but we're quite happy with how he's progressed so far and will continue to encourage him to do so.
Batman & Robin
by Mr.FTW
Jun 10th, 2009
10:10:16 AM
I'll be the first to admit I wasn't looking forward to more of Morrison on Batman and am not a Morrison fan in general I'll own up to liking the first issue.

That said though I'm still weary of things like Damien who is a clone and completely disposable, Mr. Toad and a flying Jetsons style Batmobile. If Morrison can keep himself under control he might have a good story in him but his track record doesn't fill me with high hopes. Still, I'm going to give it a chance.

I have to say to the Professor though, why are you so shocked and giving Morrison credit for something people have thought should have happened for years like he was behind it? I'm sure he is not he first writer who wanted to elevate Dick Grayson, he is just the one who got to do it.

Did anyone read Dead Run by Boom?
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
10:10:37 AM
It is a perfect example of a bad comic written by talented amatuers with little to no editorial oversight. If you had read it as a first draft, you'd write "Great start, but needs work!" and then Red Ink the fuck out of it.
Unclench Andrew
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
10:13:16 AM
I said kids are "like" not that they "are", you ignore the part where I add "with the potential to become better", meaning kids are still learning and developing, which is why they might give a somewhat suspect thumbs up and that people reading their reviews need to understand that and allow for it.

Also: shut up.
Loeb's problem seems to be....
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
10:17:56 AM
... that he thinks just because there's blood everywhere it makes something gritty and shocking. Reading Ultimatum is like reading an unfunny, charmless Itchy and Scratchy. Heads explode, people get eaten, necks get snapped... I'm not against this kind of thing, but here it's just violence for violence's sake.
Joe
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
10:18:03 AM
Missed the whole potential to become better because alas I am not yet at the 5th grade level. But I do still think it's unfair to lump all kids or anyone under a certain age level into a category. There are as many kids out there who demand more from their entertainment as those who want things spoonfed to them. And most probably fall right in the middle who enjoy the best of both worlds.
Although....
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
10:19:54 AM
... even without all that it would still be badly written and a piece of shit.
Kids
by Laserhead
Jun 10th, 2009
10:22:45 AM
I know, I know, 'just skip his reviews.' I do. And I think his father should be encouraging his reading and writing. That's great. I just don't think other adults can be expected to give a shit. The only 8 year-old's opinion I'd care to hear, on any subject, would be my own kid's.

Isn't it indicative of some kind of narcissism, to invite readers to view an 8 year-old's Twitter updates? I'm a proud parent too, but Jesus Christ. From what I gather, pre-schoolers aren't a significant percentage of AICN readers.

Morrison gets props from me...
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
10:23:58 AM
...because while he may not be the first one to propose Dick Grayson as Batman, he's the first to convince DC to let him do it. That deserves props. Now if it had sucked balls, I would've ripped him a new one over pushing this change and then fucking it up. However, he seems to be on the verge of success with it and I want to encourage this effort because its a positive move forward with the character of Batman.
Flash Gordon...
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
10:26:48 AM
...is quite good actually. I've been kind of waiting to review it once the trade comes out. But Brendan Deneen is hitting all cylinders very well on this series, which improves with each issue. And NO, it has nothing at all to do with the film. It is a reimagining of the Flash Gordon concept (think Battlestar Galactica) and it is respectful of the original concept but new and fresh in its presentation.
Loeb
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
10:27:05 AM
is terrible. Ultimatum is one of the dumbest things ever. I saw that picture of Cap leaping through the window and figured Cap was dead... why? METAL SHIELD FIRST! Apparently that didn't occur to Loeb though. Fuck internal logic and continuity, right?

I don't think he understands that the Ultimate Universe is NOT regular continuity. I'm not a big Continuity guy, but thumbing through Ultimatum it is obvious he has, at most, skimmed the other books and then said shit like: "Thats not how you draw Thor's hammer... what a dumbass that Hitch guy is..." Its just terrible, its so Smallville and Heroes. Awful. Terrible. Heavyhanded. This guy belongs on bad TV shows. I hope he gets a development deal with Sci-fi or something, so he can go make crappy TV movies for them and leave comics along. Loeb is the new Liefeld.
Anybody read Buck Rogers
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
10:28:51 AM
I am totally curious about it.
Joen
by optimous_douche
Jun 10th, 2009
10:33:54 AM
I read the 0 issue, but not a lot happened. Too soon to say if good or bad.
The #0 issue of Blackest Night...
by Thrillho77
Jun 10th, 2009
10:43:11 AM
I think it was a very solid opening to the story. You know, seeing as it was free. It certainly got me excited to get the thing started and I think the little bits of history between Hal and Bruce were elegantly written. Godd, for what it was.
Prof challenger you cant be a true Batman fan..
by wowsah156
Jun 10th, 2009
10:50:08 AM
if so you would see how out of place Morrison's work on the Bat titles has been. Morrison is a good writer when he deals with spacey cosmic and mystic characters. On gritty brutal characters like The Bat Morrison cant do it.
We need a petition to remove Morrison from the Bat titles
by wowsah156
Jun 10th, 2009
10:52:46 AM
DC editorial need a good kick in the balls over what they have doen to the Bat titles. Someone organise aa petiton to remove Morrison from the Bat titles. Has an act of reconciliation allow him to restart The Invisibles again on vertigo comics.
Can't we call it "Batman is Back?"
by Falafalguy
Jun 10th, 2009
10:53:32 AM
We need to save "Batman Reborn" for Jeph Loeb and Rob Liefeld's return to DC.
AndrewGol
by ME_M
Jun 10th, 2009
10:57:22 AM
It was some time ago, but a study found that newspapers were written at the 5th grade level (dumbed down for the masses), while comic books were at 8th grade or higher. When Hercules is fighting Dragon Man, and I stop to check the dictionary for the word "brobdingnagian", that is a worthwhile educational experience.
Prof and Batman
by ME_M
Jun 10th, 2009
11:01:42 AM
I didn't read Batman during the Bane/broken back era, but I'd say that the death of a character that you know is coming back is what smacks of "stupidity and marketing". (Think of the death of Superman.) At least with a broken back, the writers are being honest enough to temporarily allow other characters the spotlight before the original returns.
Y'know, wowsah156...
by omarthesnake
Jun 10th, 2009
11:04:23 AM
that "petition" of which you speak... that would be sales of the comic. DC ain't gonna give two shits about you and five friends spamming an online petition site. They will care about sales. If you think the comic's no good, don't buy it. That's where the decisions will be made, not from some halfassed petition campaign.
Re: Morrison's run on Batman...
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
11:13:27 AM
...I am not a fan of what he was doing as a lead-in to Final Crisis. Lost me immediately. But, this first issue of the new status quo was a completely different experience for me and it did not reboot or retrofit anything, it worked within the current state of the continuity.
Back off, Joenathan.
by SleazyG.
Jun 10th, 2009
11:15:07 AM
Your continuous disrespect of others grew old months ago. You just insulted an 8 year old, then told his dad to shut up for defending him. Back off and learn to play nice or you'll be asked to leave.
Batman and Robin was good...
by Homer Sexual
Jun 10th, 2009
11:16:09 AM
Batman and Robin was very good. Quite entertaining. But I wouldn't say it was brilliant. It didn't really involve me. Love both Morrison and Quitely. But sometimes Quitely drew Batman in a rather awkward way that didn't seem right for Dick Grayson. But it is definitely a keeper.

But not my favorite comic of the year. I actually enjoyed War of Kings more, I got so involved with the action and actually caring about what happened. And the last page was a shock! Will this stand? It looks like it will. Either way, the dramatic effect was achieved.

I also loved New Mutants, thought it managed to balance the old and the fresh very well. But if Illyana is really going to "go evil" for the umpteenth time, I'll drop this one like a hot potato.

And NA: Reunion. I don't care for the monochrome coloring of this mini, but I liked everything else about it, and again I actually found myself caring about Clint and, especially, Bobbi.

I haven't had time to read Secret Six yet (due to a two-week, 21 comic splurge last week) but I thought the latest Wonder Woman was pretty good. Although the Genocide character is rather lame, the rest of the issue was interesting, had good art, and was solid (but not spectacular, not Rucka level for sure).

My personal favorite comic of last week: In a tight race of several good issues, going to go with War of Kings. Action and drama, all working together for the excitement of the reader.

Batman's Broken Back vs. "Death"
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
11:22:40 AM
Nobody could come back from a broken back like that and be at 100% ever again. Which means, Bruce shouldn't have ever been able to function as Batman again after that. So, the believability was already stretched at that point. But the worst thing about that was that his replacement was someone who had no real established relationship with the character and was just a ploy to play around a little while with a brutal Batman in ridiculous armor to somehow make it all the more glorious when Bruce returned. Under the setup that Morrison has done here, all believe Bruce is dead, but we all know he's still alive but stuck in the past somewhere. Eventually he will return. But, the setup here is one in which that story can be told next year, 10 years from now, 30 years from now, whatever. In other words, in the present Bruce is dead and the world moves forward. But the key to bringing him back is there for DC to fairly easily bring him back whenever they want. And it does not take an expansive stretch of comic book credibility to do it. If Grayson succeeds as Batman, however, then DC has no need to bring Bruce back anytime soon with any immediacy. If they are willing to do it, they can settle back and let Grayson establish a solid legacy for his own Batman. Then in 25 years or so, they can do BATMAN: REBIRTH and bring him back. Or they can bring Bruce back and have him happily allow Grayson to continue and give him a break and maybe retire. The possibilities are endless and they all move and grow the characters forward. And that's what should happen with serialized characters anyway or they become stagnant. BATMAN & ROBIN #1 is a logical and satisfying advancement of the characters.
Re: War of Kings
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
11:34:28 AM
I hear uniformly that this is outstanding. Waiting on the trade for it however. There's just so many weekly comix I have time and $$$ for. So, these that are limited series are likely going to be put on the trade list for me. Especially now that I've just added POWER GIRL and BATMAN & ROBIN to my list. :)
Oh no, here we go...
by Homer Sexual
Jun 10th, 2009
11:34:43 AM
We are all aware that the Kid is here to stay.

But he has to be able to take his lumps like any other reviewer, it's not fair to ban someone (even a tool like JoeNathan) for insulting him unless they get really inappropriate. And I sort of think it's weird for his dad to defend him, but whatever...

Following an eight year old on Twitter is highly hilarious to me.

Please don't ban me.

Actually, Sleazy
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
11:35:25 AM
I'm a Kid defender and I wasn't insulting the Kid at all, a point I clarified and his father acknowledged. He saw that, why can't you?
The children our are future
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
11:42:01 AM
Just saying.

And I think their are laws against what you are suggesting chetedawg.

I don't care about your clarifications.
by SleazyG.
Jun 10th, 2009
11:42:43 AM
I read what you said. "Kids are like slack-jawed idiots" is still a problem for me. I also read where you told Andrew to "unclench" and "shut up". None of that is reads as "clarification", much less "apology". It's not okay when directed at the reviewers, much less a little kid; I'm not even a fan of it when directed against other TB'ers. Act like a decent human being or go away.
Suggestion for Batman villains
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
11:46:34 AM
I agree that Grayson's Batman needs his own rogues gallery. That is why they shouldn't make any super-villains, but instead "arch-criminals." All of Batman's classic golden age villains were more arch-criminals than true super-villains: gangsters and thieves writ large. Even the Joker wasn't as much a super-villain like Red Skull, Black Adam or Brainwave as he was a combo between pulp villain, Dick Tracy bad guy and something from an Lon Chaney horror movie.
Ultimatum feels like a slap in the face
by drewlicious
Jun 10th, 2009
11:53:12 AM
It just feels so damn mean to take these characters you've been building up for ten years and maliciously tear them to pieces. Almost none of the deaths (except Hank Pym) get the gravity they deserve. Instead they're killed like supporting characters in horror films. Ultimate Spider-Man was the last straw. What a crap issue. Granted we still have the requiem and the new book but what a shit way to end a series. For once I hope this is one of those fake out deaths and Peter Parker's still in the new book. If they pull that clone switcheroo crap and have spider-woman be the main character they've officially lost my money.
You should, because there's a difference
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
11:53:23 AM
kids... not The Kid. Understand? Like I said, I'm a kid defender, so relax
I'm sure Batman and Robin will sell.
by cookylamoo
Jun 10th, 2009
11:59:45 AM
But I wonder about the regular Batman Book, Red Robin, Detective and all the rest. Without the big draw, Damian, can they expect to do any better than Nightwing?
Bruce Wayne an asshole?
by JohnnyESQ
Jun 10th, 2009
12:04:16 PM
I readily agree with your Batman and Robin review, Prof, but couldn't disagree more with your take on the Bruce Wayne Batman. In the last 13 years or so that I have been seriously reading comics, the one character that has consistently driven any book he's in was Bruce Wayne's Batman. Sure, he's a menacing, paranoid, angry asshole MOST of the time, but that's what Batman is. He never lets up. He's always on the job. As Superman puts it in Morrison's first run on JLA, he's the most dangerous man on the planet. I understand where that attitude could wear on the reader, but that's why there are those moments where he relents for a brief second, and you get to see the man under the cowl. Every once in a while he cracks a joke, or gives a kind word and some confidence to an unsure new hero. Or maybe he buys an Arrow Car off eBay for his newly resurrected comrade. Sure, these moments are scattered and few, but their infrequency and their stark departure from the status quo of the character are what makes them so powerful. I'm a big Dick Grayson fan, and I'm going to enjoy his time under the cowl. But when Bruce Wayne comes back from wherever he is and reestablishes his place in the DC Universe, it'll be bigger and mean more than any other hero's return, even Superman's. Count on it.
Right now...
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
12:05:37 PM
...I'm not caring about the other Batman titles (though I know they need to be figured into the big picture ultimately). What has me interested right now is precisely and singularly the relationship between Dick and Damian as they both try to establish their place in this legacy. I'd be happy for DC to just publish this book, DETECTIVE, and a BATMAN FAMILY anthology book and leave the Bat-titles to those 3. I might even be inclined to pick them up if that was all there was.
I am with you, Prof
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:09:13 PM
Dick and Damien are a breath of fresh air, despite the fact that their names sound terrible together. I'm really looking forward to the creation of their relationship.
Flash Gordon isn't very good
by Bedlamite
Jun 10th, 2009
12:09:56 PM
I disagree with the quick word of mouth about the new Flash Gordon being an interesting or even a very good book. It's not incredibly impressive in either the art or the writing front. The story is a rehash of the original storyline, but it's not unique enough nor does it grab your attention and demand you care. The art is very similar with lots of splash, but not much in the way of substance. I'd much rather have seen Cary Nord behind the art on this book. I'll keep hoping.
Please, ENOUGH with the kid already!
by Steve Rogers
Jun 10th, 2009
12:20:39 PM
They aren't reviews, they're childish regurgitations of the plotlines, and *everything* gets a rave! I love a kid's enthusiasm for comics as much as anyone, but yeesh, it is NOT a decent comicbook review.
Come on everyone
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
12:24:16 PM
Do you not realize that the entire reason that the AICN reviews are different than other sites is because of the varied perspectives provided. Having a kid adds something that is a nice addition to these differing perspectives. Just skip the kid's reviews if you want something a little more adult, and then maybe show them to your own little ones or your nieces and nephews to read. They will probably prefer the Kid to the other @$$holes. But cut out the hate and bitch session. Uncool.
How is Dick-Bat different from Bucky-Cap?
by Tall_Boy66
Jun 10th, 2009
12:28:02 PM
I don't get why people actually enjoy these flash-in-the-pan temporary replacements (Temporary can go from a few months to a few years) but it always goes back to the A#1 original. I have no idea why some comic book fans are obsessed with "change". Who cares? These characters have stood for decades before us and will stand for decades after us, why screw with it for shock value or the pompus notion of "legacy". Bring back Bruce and Steve, pretenders to the throne are just that, pretenders.
I think their problem is...
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:30:34 PM
that some of the comics he reviews ARE comics that they want to hear about from an adult perspective, so they get upset when they don't get that option. I believe its been suggested that perhaps a companion adult review of each title the kid reviews would alleviate alot of the complaints.

That being said, I enjoyed his reviews this last week and only object to this week as Ultimatum is so terrible, it shouldn't be mentioned by anyone ever again.
We know what you meant, chetedawg,
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:31:19 PM
Gross.
So, Marvel is ending the Ultimates line?
by AnakinsDiapers
Jun 10th, 2009
12:32:38 PM
If so, good. Never thought the Ultimate Universe line was needed in the first place. I thought the entire concept was a cynical marketing ploy from jumpstreet. Maybe they can put more energy into revitalizing the New Universe.
Dick-Bat?
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:32:39 PM
Now there's an image...
Cynical?
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:33:50 PM
How was the Ultimate line "cynical?" Do you even know what that word means?
Thank God indeed,
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:34:46 PM
I didn't read the rest of your post, but I'm sure it was jusst more compliments.
chetedawg
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
12:39:18 PM
I meant that as a joke. Unless you are actually fucking kids, I can't see how you could take offense.

A few things...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 10th, 2009
12:46:03 PM
Yes, ULTIMATUM is terrible, but it looks to be geared towards the younger crowd, so for me, it seems appropriate for The Kid to review it. Then again, I don't read it, because I think the entire Ultimate concept is retarded.

And guys, stop acting like your complaints matter to me. The Kid stays. If you lack the power to scroll past him if you don't like his stuff, that's not my problem. And Joe, your argument that he's covering material adults may want to check out may be valid if not for the fact that we try to have some variety to what the kid reviews so he's not reviewing the same thing every week. That means if the Kid reviews something one month, then we encourage another perspective the next month. We've covered other issues of ULTIMATUM before. For the finale, I'm sure someone else will cover it. So if you don't like it that the Kid covered your favorite comic, fret not, someone else will most likely cover the book next time.

Like Prof said, if you're looking for cookie cutter reviews from a bunch of guys you can't tell from one reviewer to the next, look elsewhere. Here we want to thrive on variety. Now, if only I could track down a chick who wants to review comics, we'd be golden and have all the bases covered.

And maybe a monkey....
okay, so i'm out of circulation, but what's this Ultimate WTF?
by mr. smith
Jun 10th, 2009
12:46:31 PM
are they just laying waste to the characters? they killed ultimate spidey??? seriously?? one of my favorite series. what a pointless waste.
Oh for fucks sake
by optimous_douche
Jun 10th, 2009
12:46:52 PM
C'mon guys we're all better than this.

No one is going to like every review or reviewer.

The Kid gets a shot at the books none of us have time to review or don't want to review.

Now, can we talk comics again please.

How is Bucky/Cap different than Robin/Bat?
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
12:48:07 PM
Well, the major difference is that Bruce Wayne actually RAISED Dick Grayson into adulthood with part of the goal being that Dick would eventually assume the role of Batman. Bruce never intended (at least before asshole jerk-Bat persona became the characterization du jour after TDK) to be Batman forever. The other thing that is different is that, even as successful as Bucky has been in the role, the story itself was obviously never intended to be longterm. With the Dick Grayson situation, there are at least some indicators that this is intended to stick if the public will accept it (like Wally/Flash) but if the public eventually tires of Dick (ha!) then it will be time to bring back Bruce or try something else. Oh, and DC is unlikely to use the Cosmic Cube to transfer Bruce's consciousness into the body of an African American so that they can publish a "black" Batman because they've decided to invest millions of dollars in...oh...Will Smith to play the character on film. So there's that too.
Bug
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:49:49 PM
Its not my arguement. I think the Kid is fine, I was just stating what seems to be a common reoccuring complaint.
And my common reoccurring response...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 10th, 2009
12:52:04 PM
The Kid stays, no matter how much time is wasted complaining about him.
Prof
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:54:20 PM
I pray they don't do that. I am all for bringing Isiah front and center, but not with Cap's mind, thats insulting, like: it's okay, kids, he's still white on the inside!

Will Smith might be kind of interesting, but I'm still holding out for Paul Walker though
Bug
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:54:59 PM
(shrugs)
Yep, I find it funny chetedawg
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
12:56:07 PM
You got me.
Cap's shield Vs. Magneto
by drewlicious
Jun 10th, 2009
12:56:33 PM
Yeah, could have used a throwaway line like "Non-magnetic alloy asshole" WHAP!!!! and that would have been satisfactory.
Careful Dawg,
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:56:38 PM
Sleazy will get mad if insult other TBers.
Drew
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
12:59:11 PM
Yeah, except the previous issue had Iron Man, Cap (w/ shield) and the girl in armor all taking on Magneto. Not to mention Wolverine. I expected Magneto's super powers to maybe take all those people out, but noooooo... that would make sense and not be crappy.
Now For the Million Dollar Question
by optimous_douche
Jun 10th, 2009
01:00:47 PM
We all know Ult. Spidey is going to have a volume 2 and the scuttlebut is that it will be SPider Tits.

My question is what about the rest of the Ult. Universe/World. Will they acknowledge that half of the world is dead like Wildstorm? And could this actually make it a more interesting universe in the long run since it will now be SOOOO different from the real Marvel U?

Ultimate Universe
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:04:24 PM
I hope that reconstruction lasts for a long while. Plus, the fall out of this Event could complete remove the Ultimate Line for the Regular's continuity. Cap leading a Mutant registration Push? No more Manhatten? Who knows, I'm just hoping its ood.

Also, I love Peter without a Peter, even thouh she'd be an insulting fake lesbian in the same way Black-Steve would be a fake black Cap... eh... maybe I'm not so hot on Peter without a Peter.
I think
by Series7
Jun 10th, 2009
01:05:59 PM
Ultimate Hulk Vs. Wolverine is what really killed the Ultimate universe.
That is what they should of done in the beginning douche
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
01:07:07 PM
My big problem with the Ultimate Universe is that it has always been a bastardized version of 616. Different enough to annoy you in how they present characters, close enough enough to make you wonder what the point of the whole thing is.

The Ultimate Universe should have been what the Supreme Powers universe was in the beginning (before JSM started missing deadlines) and what direction I thought it was going to go in: a warped version of the Marvel characters, and how the world might function if super-powers really existed. In other words, a clusterfuck.

The real question is....
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
01:07:15 PM
... when is Jimmy Olsen gonna become the new Superman? He must be pretty jealous of all those other sidekicks getting their time in the sun.
Million Dollar Question
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
01:07:22 PM
I hope so, OD. We've had a mini series event that most people hated, a cancelation of several of the main books (Ult X and Ult FF)and a reboot of the most popular one (Spidey). When the new Ultimate books launch I hope that this new world is reflected and acknowledged to give some purpose to the whole thing other than to just blow stuff up for the fun of it and the books relaunch 1 year later with everything rebuilt and back to normal.
Plus, didn't the New Universe in the 80s
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
01:08:44 PM
Cover all this ground? The Pitt anyone?
Andrew/New Ultimates
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:11:52 PM
I bet its mostly blowing stuff up, directly due to Ultimatum.
I know what the word cynical means, thank you..
by AnakinsDiapers
Jun 10th, 2009
01:14:45 PM
..and the Ultimate line was definately cynical in nature, with the Ultimates being the epitome of it.

First, the entire idea is based on the fallacy that the main Marvel Universe was being strangled by its continuity and the general audience would be lost. That's simply bullshit. As if daytime soap operas don't always get an influx of new viewers. If you tell good stories, people will always be willing to learn as they go. I'm nothing special, and i'm not 60 years old, yet i was able to start reading comics without having to start from issue #1. Imagine that.

Then there's the "modernization" factor. Did these concepts really need to be given new sleek, hip spins? The genre at its core is silly, nothings gonna change that. It's cynical because Marvel, in trying to initially sell the Ultimate line, trashed their own main universe by presenting it as impenetrable and archaic. And what did we get? A canabilistic Hulk, a Captain America that was a Bush wet dream, the constant pop culture name dropping, etc., etc. Slap big name writers and artists on it and call it a day.

And now here we are. The main Marvel Universe has been revitalized in recent years by their event stories and the constant shaking up of the status quo. Love it or hate it, it's selling big time. It was always about the stories. Slap big name writers and artists on it and call it a day. The Ultimate Universe was not necessary.

Oh Warren Ellis...
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:15:33 PM
Why won't you return to New Universe!?! Why? I know your computer crashed, but damn it, man... you killed Tony Stark and I want more!
Forget Cap's shield....
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
01:17:01 PM
.... how did they even get their jets anywhere near Magneto?? Why didn't he just crush them before they even arrived? And in the final panel of the comic Magneto is surrounded by superheroes including Iron Man, Cyclops and Wolverine - who all have metal as essential parts of their superhero getup! I'll let Halkeye off because he might have plastic arrows. This comic reads as if it was written by a twelve year old. Like drewlicious said above, a few throwaway lines of explanation could have made this ridiculousness slightly more bearable.
But Bug....
by cookylamoo
Jun 10th, 2009
01:20:11 PM
Do you really like this kid or do you just like referencing "The Kid Stays in the Picture." As for getting a monkey, you already have one.
Joe re: New Ultimates
by AndrewGol
Jun 10th, 2009
01:23:44 PM
Well it's Millar. So it can either be a lot of crap blowing up and being being killed in innovative ways or a lot of talk and commentary about modern society. :) Still curious how they're going to run Millar's Ultimate Avengers and Loeb's Ultimates Vol 4 together
Hmmm
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:26:53 PM
I appreciate your breakdown, but I think you're misusing the word "cynical" a bit and question what comics would qualify as nessecary in the first place? Isn't the idea of exploring the possible ramifications of the MArvel U in the modern world a valid question and experiment? Ultimate Spider-man was (until maybe recently) certainly a rousing success. Not too mention, that Ultimates not only set new standards, but could be said to have directly inspired the current movies. Cynical? I don't think so. Cynical would be writing sub-par material because anyone who reads comics in the first place is a moron. And that was not the Ultimate line... until Loeb got involved, but I don't think he did it intentionally, he's just naturally sucky.
Andrew
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:28:05 PM
This would be the one time that I would whole-heartedly approve of them just pretending that it didn't happen.
Gunslinger
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:31:32 PM
throw away lines wouldn't have helped, they would have just stood out as hack-writing, convinient that ALL these Metal Heroes are non-magnetic. No, they should have been forced to go in without metal or... I don't know... used Magneto's powers and forced the non-metal reliant heroes to step up or maybe he should have just been generally creative in someway
Actually, "The New York Times" has the same policy.
by cookylamoo
Jun 10th, 2009
01:33:25 PM
"WE DON'T CARE IF OUR CRITICS ARE QUALIFIED OR NOT" "THE KIDS STAY".
Re: "Black" Cap...
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
01:36:28 PM
...it just seems like that's where the plot is heading and harkens back to the manner in which Red Skull was also assassinated and then brought back with his consciousness within another body. So, seems like the bookend to a longterm storyline and a hopeful (to Marvel studios at least) goal to actually sign Smith to this pic regardless of the fact that he's about 20 years too old and African-American. But, just as the pure symbolism of Obama as president has apparently done wonders for some people in their perception of the American ideal, image over substance essentially. I can see Marvel justifying it in their mind with the rather grand symbolism of ongoing perpetuity in which their flag-wearing primary character is an African-American. It may be foolhardy from a fan perspective, but it also might be brilliant from a marketing standpoint--and truly, isn't that where all these types of decisions finally boil down to these days? Let me just answer that with...yes.
Yeah, I like Will Smith
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:43:09 PM
He's one our last true Movie Stars in the classic sense of the term and he could totally beef up to be Cap AND, if the script was done right, exploring the themes of racism prevalent then, not just in society, but the Army, he also has the Acting chops to pull it off.

However

Put ting Steve Rogers in an African AMerican's body would be insulting for the reason I already mentioned, much in the same way American Indians could have found American Eagle in his headdress insulting. I would much rather have Isiah Bradley assume the mantle, then wipe him out and stick Steve Rogers in his body.
Can't an adult ALSO review The Kid's books?
by Thrillho77
Jun 10th, 2009
01:45:33 PM
I know you guys with the power clearly don't care, but then I'm not sure what the point is. I'll say this - he writes more discerning and well-structured reviews than IGN does.
Kraka-laka-thoom!
by Ambush Bug
Jun 10th, 2009
01:48:36 PM
See how that works, Joen...
uh...
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
01:52:08 PM
ok...?
Sure the TBers can review the reveiwers...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 10th, 2009
01:57:58 PM
That's what they're there for. And The Kid doesn't read the TBs, so it's not that we're shelting the poor guy. But when it gets to the point where isnults are being thrown and a father is forced to defend a son, it gets to be a bit ridiculous. Especially since it's not criticism of the review, but just complaints that the review exists.

And do I like the Kid's reviews? I love the kids reviews. Despite a bit more attention to recapping than necesary, there's always at least one or two sentences that ring so true it hurts. But aside from some guidance to talk about how the comic made him feel rather than recap the issue in question, I wouldn't want to Kid's father to guide him in the review. That takes away what makes it unique. Out of the mouths of babes. His comments on TMNT were dead on. I read the same comic and wholeheartedly agree with him and couldn't have said it better or more succinctly myself. And the back and forth about playing the game in the back of the latest issue of TINY TITANS made me smile so big I could taste my ears.

All this talk of cynicism...the perfect example is rampant in this talkback.
Joenathan...
by AnakinsDiapers
Jun 10th, 2009
02:03:13 PM
..I wouldn't call the Ultimate Universe cynical if it was marketed as just another Elseworlds type endeavor. I remember the discusions and interviews leading up to the Ultimates roll out. The entire marketing ploy was to present a hip, "modern" alternative to the old and confusing main universe. Get Mark Millar to write snarky, dark material, throw a lot of pop culture references and have Hitch draw widescreen action, and everyone praises it as "realistic". Really? You say they were exploring the ramifications of the Marvel U in the modern world? First of all, isn't the main Marvel U based in the modern world? What exactly did the Ultimate line bring that was "modern" other than the superficial qualities i mentioned earlier?

Know what was actually "super heroes in the world outside our window"? The New Universe. It failed initially because it was ahead of its time. We're ready now. Marvel should try harder to revitalize that. The only Ultimate title worth anything was Spider-Man. Marvel should give that book the "spider-man family" treatment and drop the rest.

So..CHEW
by palpatinefuckedmydog
Jun 10th, 2009
02:05:04 PM
is not about a Chinese-Jew?
Please kill the kid.
by Holeman
Jun 10th, 2009
02:05:26 PM
He sucks ass. More than "Ultimatum". Other than the worthless review by equally worthless children, excellent work as always.
A chick and a monkey you say, Bug?
by Thalya
Jun 10th, 2009
02:10:57 PM
Would an angry devil dwarf hamster who thinks he's Roscoe "The Top" Dillon suffice?

Seriously though, I'm no Indie Jones type, but if you need a reviewer with gal parts, I could muster a few here and there (I only get irrational when it comes to abuse of nebbishy types. Really! Honest!).
New Universe
by steverodgers
Jun 10th, 2009
02:11:13 PM
Ahead of it's time? How far in the future do we need to go before Kickers Inc. is cool? Hopefully not to far, because I could use some more Kickers Inc. in my life.
Well...
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:16:34 PM
I would say that you are ignoring cultural and social changes that have taken place between now and the 60's, not to mention that Ultimate Spider-mas was consistantly highly entertaining AND is the new standard for on-time, creative team committment to a title... so there's that...

I'm aware the New Universe once existed, but it failed because it was bad, not because it was ahead of its time. And Ultimates did it better and with classic comic book flair at the same time.

I will agree that they over-used the word "hip," but then Comic Creators aren't exactly cool guys, you know?
"and a father is forced to defend a son!"
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:17:43 PM
Sounds like an exciting episode of Law and Order to me... duh, duh, duh.
Ambush Bug - re: The Kid
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:18:38 PM
Why don't you, then, edit his reviews to deal with the excessive recap material? For me, that would punch them up a great deal. Of course, I think a significant percentage of AICN could use some harsh editing. Comics reviews less than much, but still.

Why don't any of our opinions matter, by the way? Are we not the supporters of this site, via views and ad clicks? If the content drives us away, the ad revenues suffer.

Joenathan - New Universe
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:21:49 PM
Problem is, Marvel's attempt to revitalize rested on the least dependable major writer in comics, Warren Ellis. Great idea man, wonderful prose stylist, absolute mess in all other areas. The non-Ellis specials they've done have been flat and dull. I'm not sure who could take over "newuniversal" and make it vital, but they desperately need someone if Ellis would rather spend 97 percent of his time creating books for Avatar.
I hate to side with Sleazy...
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:22:34 PM
Really, I do... but jesus, what the fuck, why do you care so much about the Kid? Does he really bother you that much? I mean, I'll kid about the Kid, mostly to upset Sleazy from now on, but come on... seriously?
Dennis
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:23:26 PM
I heard his omputer crashed, but still... how long ago was that? Things were just getting interesting.
Avatar
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:24:41 PM
I wish they had more Ads about their product. They don't advertise enough, IMHO.
Computer crash - Joenathan
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:28:27 PM
That was more than a year ago. No matter how much background material one thinks is needed, at some point a comics writer has to be prepared to wing it. Also to back up his essential material to DVD-ROM, external hard drive, thumb drive. SOMETHING! Notice it hasn't stopped him from writing four (five?) Avatar series in the last two years.
I think the kids dad needs to watch
by Series7
Jun 10th, 2009
02:29:01 PM
My kid could paint that. I want proof that these are coming from the kid.
Avatar - Joe
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:29:13 PM
I agree. Heck, I hardly know what they've got in trade paperback. They need more alternate covers, too.
The Kid evokes the memory of "T.M. Maple"
by cookylamoo
Jun 10th, 2009
02:30:05 PM
The legendary DC Letterhack who basically regurgitated a synopsis of the issue everyone had just read. Hmmm TM has been dead for over eight years now. You don't think...
Bruce Wayne is Batman.
by Lemure_v2
Jun 10th, 2009
02:30:07 PM
Bruce spent his entire life dedicated to this and nothing else, while Grayson was off banging Oracle and messing around in Bludhaven. Imagine if Kent or Parker were killed off, and a sidekick took over? As for rehashing Joker, Penguin et al...sure, when you can think up a better villain than the Joker, go right ahead. Bruce will be back right around 2011 when the next film comes out.

by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:30:56 PM
cookylamoo
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:33:50 PM
I think you're a bit harsh on The Mad Maple. Jim Burke was a friend of mine for a while, and wrote for my fanzine. He could do a lot more than recap. I don't know why so much of his letterhacking was controlled by it, though. Or why he thought the word "worthy" was an acceptable bit of praise.
Dennis - Ellis
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:34:40 PM
Fo a man who is on-line apparently 26 hours a day, judging by his blog, the idea that he doesn't have a jump-drive makes me wonder if it isn't just a giant ruse. Where the fuck does he live? 1992? Who hasn't heard of backing-up?

Also, so it crashed and that shit is gone... why not start over?

Does Marvel ever call him?

"Hey, what about New Universal? We kinda had a contract thing?"

"Oh...uh... I'm...uh... busy...?"

"Oh, sorry to bother you then, can we call later?"

"Hmmm... no..."

"Oh....ok"
Hey!
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:35:46 PM
There is NOTHING wrong with banging Barbra Gordon, alright? Lets just be clear on that!
I've nothing against TM
by cookylamoo
Jun 10th, 2009
02:37:30 PM
But Burke's letters were certainly more synopsis than criticism.
Joenathan - Ellis
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:39:16 PM
On the plus side, Wildstorm has announced that "Planetary" #27 will ship in October. If he gets out another issue of "Fell" any time soon, I can drop my embargo on new Ellis material.
morrison and quitely: one of the greatest teams ever?
by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG
Jun 10th, 2009
02:41:42 PM
id say so. also, spider woman? please. die. i dont know why bendis keeps pushing her into every book. everything he says, he has to mention spider woman. totally dumb.
Cookylamoo
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:42:52 PM
Didn't mean to imply you did. Sorry if it came off that way. Funny, he started with my 'zine as a letterhack, and most of his letters just ran down the contents of the issue, with a passing comment. *sigh* He was so closed about his feelings re: almost everything. No wonder (besides his tremendous weight) his heart finally gave out. His stress level must have been sky-high.
God
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:42:54 PM
Planetary #27 better being fucking ungodly amazing or lead to a new series starring the Planetary crew on the shift-ship, because its been, what?, 43 and 1/2 years since #26 was out?
um, joenathan?
by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG
Jun 10th, 2009
02:44:51 PM
issue 27 came out like 3 years ago. doofus.
Planetray #27
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:45:49 PM
I figure Snow will either use the Four's technology to bring back Ambrose Chase, or die trying. All the century babies seem to die in big, dramatic ways. That could leave a more hopeful, less cynical restart featuring Ambrose and Doc Brass as the new Fourth Man.
No, that was #26
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:46:03 PM
I was being facetious about the 43 years thing.
One Man Gang
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:46:36 PM
No, that was #26.
Ambrose
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
02:48:27 PM
Yeah, I figured he'd be brought back. I hope Snow doesn't die, though, just because I don't believe there would be a drama worthy of his death that could be established in one issue.

I can't understand why Ellis wouldn't want to work on that book constantly, there are some many toys there that are virtually untouched.
dammit! i believe ellis did say that was the last though.
by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG
Jun 10th, 2009
02:49:58 PM
great series, and it was a sufficient ending for me.
Who knows?
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:50:06 PM
Given his fondness for short-form work, if he did it today it would be a nine-issue miniseries.
One Man Gang
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
02:52:59 PM
I found it rushed, and didn't like the end of Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman, but it was a satisfying end to the story. Ellis has said #27 is more a capstone.
Ellis
by Series7
Jun 10th, 2009
02:53:47 PM
Anyone reading Hotwire? I'm having a hard time tracking that series down, Radical releases shit so randomly.
Didn't like "Whatver happened to..?"
by Chadley BeBay
Jun 10th, 2009
03:09:30 PM
Congrats, you have ZERO fucking vision. The story was brilliant. Moron.
Oh...okay...
by Prof
Jun 10th, 2009
03:12:56 PM
...that convinced me. Dipshit.
Prof
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
03:15:16 PM
I thought it was fuzzy-headed and short on direction, myself. And didn't fit in with continuity. I know, it wasn't meant to, but still.
I didn't read it
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
03:17:22 PM
Gaimen's been coasting off Sandman's good will for years.
As for the initial New Universe run...
by AnakinsDiapers
Jun 10th, 2009
03:18:09 PM
...Starbrand as written by Shooter and drawn by John Romita Jr. was a fantastic book. Those characters felt real, and Ken Connel was a flawed man who screwed up more than he got right. It was fun just to watch him keep getting stymied by realistic problems someone with his powers would run into.

DP7 had the government controlled superhuman idea going with a cast of characters who had powers that were just as problematic as helpfull, like the speedster who has to constantly eat or the strong man who keeps having muscle spasms as his body adjusts. Sure, Kicker's Inc. wasn't a gem but the line had some strong concepts that were written fairly well. We just wasn't ready for a more "real people" with powers take on the genre back then.

I don't disagree that concept-wise it was revolutionary,
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
03:21:26 PM
but execution-wise? Come on now... it wasn't that good.
I'm not sure the kid is really 8
by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI
Jun 10th, 2009
03:25:21 PM
The line "I think the spirit guy killed Dr. Strange just for being so lame in New Avengers" tipped me off. I think it's all a ruse. Got a little to clever for your own good "kid".
Star Brand
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
03:33:00 PM
had some moments, sure. Ken McConnell read genuinely because he was written by someone as shallow as the character. But if Debby "Duck" had said "Quack!" one more time, I would have killed her as dead as John Byrne eventually did. DP7 was fun, but it tended towards the dull too often.
Questioning the Kid's validity...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 10th, 2009
03:38:53 PM
you got us...he's actually a 97 year old man with severe altzheimers and hair trigger bladder.

The thing you really didn't know about the @$$holes is that we're all 8 years old. The Kid's the only one with the balls enough to admit it.
Initial New Universe
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
03:44:15 PM
I think its main problem was its over devotion to "realistic." Not much happened. And it all just got dull. This is why, to me, I thought Ultimates walked the line better. It dealt with some "realistic" issues, but still made them all wear funny costumes and fight supervillians.
Planetary Better Have
by optimous_douche
Jun 10th, 2009
03:52:40 PM
A fucking almanac that comes with it.

3 years or 43 years is the same shit when it comes to comics, we needs us a primer Warren.

Seriously!
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
03:58:37 PM
Has anyone read anything from Ellis as to why he ISN'T continuing with this book? I just don't get how you could walk away when there is still so much you could do.
The Kid.....
by The Penultimate Gunslinger
Jun 10th, 2009
04:05:25 PM
... is a skrull.
Why "Planetary" is ending
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
04:06:34 PM
Ellis said he laid out a story for himself in advance and would end the book when the story was told. It was never meant to be an open-ended series. That makes sense, as Ellis seems to like stories that have a definite ending, even if others carry on with the title and/or characters, as with "The Authority." For him, Jenny Sparks's death closed out the story.
The New Universe was a great idea
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
04:09:07 PM
But horrible execution. Star Brand is a good read all the way through the series, going from Shooter realistic hero to Byrne's bizarre sci-fi time paradox ideas, but the rest of the universe was just bad (well, DP7, Psi-Force and Justice had their moments).

I think i heard Shooter wanted to attract the top name talent in those days - guys like Miller, Moore, Byrne - from the beginning, but he had a very limited budget so he couldn't bring those guys in. Kind of curious how it would have turned out if he could have gotten them.

The only good thing to come from the Ultimate Universe
by thelordofhell
Jun 10th, 2009
04:09:39 PM
Is Marvel Zombies.
I think the problem with most stories...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 10th, 2009
04:10:23 PM
that try to be realistic is that they confuse "realistic" with "dull." I agree Joen. The initial NEW U was dull at times and very hit or miss, but despite that, they made some exciting stories. I wish they would release an omnibus of the entire line collected, including the QUASAR follow-up issues from the lat nineties.

Ahh, Quasar, THAT was some good comic booking!
Quasar was interesting
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
04:14:39 PM
But basically it was Marvel doing a variation of all the DC comic universe stories. Quasar was a stand in for the GL corps, the big cosmic race was something out of a Flash comic (with cameo by Barry Allen), his traveling to the New Universe was a kind of Crisis of Two Earths, etc.

Good comic, but it strangely never felt like it belonged in the Marvel U.

Who are the grumpy old men around here?
by Homer Sexual
Jun 10th, 2009
04:17:19 PM
I thought we--the frequent posters--were the old grumps, complaining about everything.

But this week is seems to be the reviewers. "All this talk of cynicism..the perfect example is this talkback." Geez, next you're gonna tell us to get the hell off your lawn, I mean your talkback.

And anyway, so what if we're cynical? We're still buying comics and hanging out on this site.

I am again reminded of Bill Mantlo, who I've loathed since I was in middle school and he published comments about "the fan elite" and how he doesn't care about them, he writes for kids. I immediately boycotted him, and I was only 12 at the time. People who don't appreciate their fan base/customers....F*** those people.

Well, I just bought Starman Omnibus 2, and am having buyers' remorse due to the wretched, abysmal, horrible JLA preview in this week's books. Pro-active, hunting down the villains before they strike...not only is this not the portrayal of JLA that I know, this is a total Marvel rip-off (and I didn't like it when Marvel espoused the totalitarian hero concept either). So...maybe Robinson isn't so great.

Mark Gruenwald
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
04:17:58 PM
wrote "Quasar" and "DP7." He also wrote Marvel's most interesting attempt at "significant" super heroes, "Squadron Supreme." A B-lister, to be sure, but among the most talented B-listers.
I should say ...
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
04:22:10 PM
Marvel's most interesting, PRE-GRITTY-GRIM attempt.
"Writing for kids"
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
04:29:21 PM
is just a euphemism "bad writing." Lucas is a prime example. He tried to claim fans just didn't like Jar Jar because he was for kids and it was like, look, motherfucker, I saw the first film when I was three. I went nuts because of that film, lost my mind and there wasn't a single cutesy character in the whole thing (at least... not like Jar Jar).

Any writer who gets pissed at their fans because of valid critisms and says that they're writing for kids and that the fans just don't "get it" out to quit, becauuse they're a hack.

Imagine if Loeb came here and attacked us for out responses to Ultimatum. Insanity.
The Kids reviews are way better than Harry's.
by BangoSkank
Jun 10th, 2009
04:29:35 PM
Nuff said.

Aside from that:

New Mutants makes me very happy. I started collecting X-Men/New Mutants right after the Mutant Massacre and before Fall of the Mutants, and at the time New Mutants was my favorite book coming out.... I love to see the old gang back together.

Loeb made me not only stop reading the Ultimates, but made me give up on the Ultimate line altogether. Unlike some (many? most?) of you I like a lot of Millar's stuff, but I'm still not giving his Ultimate Avengers book a shot. Fuck Loeb and fuck Marvel for keeping him employed.

I'm enjoying X-Factor again, but the non Jamie/Layla stuff is still dragging it down for me. Isn't there anything more interesting the rest of X-Factor could be doing?

I'm growing a little weary of the "Dark" stuff. Again -unlike many of you- I enjoyed SI, but Marvel is going into full-tilt overkill mode with Dark titles.

I'm fucking pissed that Wolverine is being replaced with Dark Wolverine. If I wanted to read about that douche, I'd be reading Origin. Why not let him take over the title he was introduced in?

Secret Warriors and Dark Avengers are both on the bubble for me... It could pop at any given issue, and they could go bye-bye from my pull-list.... What's helping is that list in question has never been shorter... at least not in the last 20 years.

Ultimate U and Batman books
by Homer Sexual
Jun 10th, 2009
04:31:36 PM
I already went to the LCS today, and took a pass on Batman as well as Red Robin. Basically because I didn't buy Robin or Nightwing before. I'm sure I would buy them if I'd bought the stars' prior books. Also because Batman and Robin pretty much fills my Batman/Robin interest quota. I did buy "Whatever Happened To.." by Gaiman and the first half was an outstanding, A-level effort, the second part was childish pap and gets an F. (As an aside, I haven't cared for Gaiman outside of Sandman, either).

I was a big fan of Ultimates 1 and 2. I didn't buy 3 because I am sick of Scarlet Witch being mistreated, and am not interested in any more books that kill her, make her crazy, etc. Ultimate X-Men, however, rocked! Millar's run was outstanding and so was BKV's. Unfortunately, Kirkman ruined the book, but it was still awesome.

I am half interested in Ultimatum because I find train wrecks interesting. I'll keep reading here and see if I want the trade. The mention here of Valkyrie chopping Magneto's arm off sounds like my kind of thing. I like the Ultimate concept, so am sorry it's ending.

I don't think it is possible to make the Fantastic Four interesting. Byrne is the only one who ever came close, so I never actually checked out Ult. FF.

Ult. FF/Dark Stuff/Ultimates
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
04:38:38 PM
Had some good moments and I have never been a big FF fan. Although, looking back, I don't know if I could point out which runs. Millar wrote more exciting stuff in the Ultimate version than he has in the Regular version.

I'm a big fan of Dark Reign, however, I can feel the pull of... alright, now its time for something kind of big to happen... Hopefully it will be soon.

I'm totally back for Ultimate Avengers, but I don't think I've ever read a worse comic than Ultimates 3. Remember how hyped they all were? God, what I wouldn't have gived to hear the insider reactions when it came out and sales just started to fall.
Good Stuff Homer
by optimous_douche
Jun 10th, 2009
04:40:02 PM
I did the same thing today at the LCS with the Batman stuff.

Batman proper is more Dick debating whether to be Batman, I gleaned that from just a cursory pass. It was cool in BFTC, but I don't need another issue of internal struggle. Plus he's already executed the deed in the Morrison book, which came out LAST WEEK (seriously whoever is scheduling at DC wake up).

Ultimate U had some interesting stuff, just slid downhill quickly in the past few years...except Spider-Man...(clenches teeth)until...last...week....G RAGHHHHHH CRAP!!!!!

Bill Mantlo
by steverodgers
Jun 10th, 2009
04:45:35 PM
Wrote Rocket Raccoon. You boycotted Rocket Raccoon? Oh Homer... It is time to forgive, come home, you need to go back and read those. Do it for your soul.
I'd like to hear the conversation where "the Kid"
by Snookeroo
Jun 10th, 2009
04:45:52 PM
is told where his reviews are going and why he can't see them "in print".

"Yeah Liam, your work is being featured on the @$$holes page!"
Oh and Homer
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
04:47:28 PM
If you like train wrecks, then yes, don't walk, run out there and buy Ultimatum. Its the train-wreck-est.
You Know on Timing
by optimous_douche
Jun 10th, 2009
04:47:44 PM
I can't let this scheduling thing go...

I would be fired from my job if I put out either repetitive stories or fucked up sequencing like DC has been doing.

Kid Flash appearing in FLASH REBIRTH b4 he is resurrected in LoTW. Introducing Damian and Dick (there that flows better than Dick Damian) one week and then the next week having Dick debate whether to be Batman.

DC you need a level of oversight timing these damn things. Whoever is doing the job now is doing it poorly, this needs to go to someone who loves comics, not just someone that can run an excel spreadsheet.

You lost two sales today because of this, so don't tell me some level of continuity and liquidity between titles isn't important. Seriously, if Morrison's book came out next week, you boys have another three dollars. We always say sales dictate operations, well there you go.

AndrewGol
by BlueHawaiiSurfer
Jun 10th, 2009
04:49:48 PM
I wouldn't even waste your time trying to reason with most of the "idiots" who do nothing but complain on this site. Your kid is doing some amazing stuff and the fact you work with him on his reviews speaks volumes about your parenting intuition. My oldest son, also 8 but finishing the third grade, loves the kids reviews and is now reading more because of them. He was very excited to see another child was reading and reviewing comics, just like the adults. I've said it time and time again. The content of this site will NOT NOT NOT appeal to all of the visitors. That would be an impossible goal and shallow of the admins to try and make it that way. The fact Liam can have a forum here just makes the site that much more diverse and helps inspire a new generation of nerds. (And hopefully doesn't inspire another generation of the ALWAYS negative TB douchebags.) Bravo on raising a fine boy and kudos to AICN for giving him a forum to voice his opinion.
I wish I had a job in comics
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
04:51:03 PM
I'd be sitting home, right now, on my ass, watching TV and eating Cheetos and not turning in any work, because who cares? They're not gonna fire you. Its like a fucking dream job.
Actually...
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
04:53:09 PM
The idea of some 8 year old somewhere out there barely able to formulate his rage over one of Liam's reviews tickles my funny bone. "...Some day, Liam.... some day I am going to log on and then... oooooh, you will get it!"
I bet Liam's 8 year old nemisis
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
04:54:44 PM
looks like an older version of the Uni-brow baby from the Simpsons... but maybe thats just me.
Bill Mantlo had a pretty good run on the Hulk
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
04:57:06 PM
He also did pretty good job on Micronauts and Rom, which were basically just licensed toys but he made them seem like actual comic characters.

And he did create the above mentioned Rocket Racoon and created Cloak and Dagger.

It is sad he got injured in a hit-and-run.

That is sad
by Joenathan
Jun 10th, 2009
04:58:38 PM
Did he die? Or was he just injured?
Bill Mantlo's injury
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
04:59:40 PM
He suffered head injuries and has spent more than 15 years in a care facility, tended by his brother.
Injured
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
05:00:18 PM
He must undergo 24-hour assistance and lives in a nursing home.

They never did catch the driver.

train-wreck-est
by steverodgers
Jun 10th, 2009
05:00:29 PM
Is Ultimatum worse than Captain America Heroes Reborn? I think those were the most train-wreck-est comic books in my lifetime - coming right after Garney/Waid were firing on all cylinders. My vision is still wonky after reading those issues.
Mantlo
by steverodgers
Jun 10th, 2009
05:03:57 PM
That is really sad. I am surprised by how many comics that I liked as a kid (and still like) were written by him. Just a great comic book writer.
While Mantlo did some good work
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
05:04:46 PM
I will never forgive what he did to Howard the Duck. He followed brilliance with crap, and juvenile, spoofish crap that followed nearly brilliant satire.
Satire wasn't Mantlo's strong point
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
05:10:19 PM
But he did introduce us to Brian Banner and the idea that Bruce was a victim of abuse (something that Peter David gets all the credit for).
Very true, sir
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
05:13:06 PM
Mantlo introduced the child abuse, Al Milgrom created the gray Hulk and Peter David rolled everything together into the MPD explanation.
Didn't Roger Stern first intro the MPD?
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
05:19:37 PM
When he had the issue where Samson and Banner have therapy, somewhere in the 220-240 issue area?
Hmmm ... let me search
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
05:26:06 PM
Can't find anything on Wikipedia that mentions MPD/DID being used before David. I do remember the therapy with Samson, though I don't think they used the concept.
I just remember that Doc Samson
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
05:32:23 PM
Comes to the realization that they are not the same person. I can't remember if he said they had Multiple Personality Disorder or not (of course, everything was Multiple Personality back then thanks to Sybil).

ANd I am not taking anything away from David's run. I am a firm believer you don't have to be original, just be good. Take what was used before you and make it your own.

ANd while I am giving love to Mantlo I will criticize him
by Continentalop
Jun 10th, 2009
05:34:09 PM
For fing up Puck in Alpha Flight. I think he did a worse job there than what he did on Howard the Duck.

Still, I love his Hulk run. Criminally under appreciated.

I see.
by DennisMM
Jun 10th, 2009
05:37:13 PM
I'll have to try to find that. Thanks, Continental.

By the way, I have always loved your username.

Well, now I feel bad about Mantlo.
by Homer Sexual
Jun 10th, 2009
05:37:58 PM
His comments were on the letters page of Micronauts, and I never picked up another issue of Micronauts.

But I was a pretty crappy boycotter since I did indeed read, and love, Rocket Raccoon. I only remember Mignola as credited.

And, while I don't apologize for being an "always negative douchebag," I am sorry to hear about Mantlo's poor health.

loved micronauts
by mr. smith
Jun 10th, 2009
07:03:59 PM
bought the whole run. great stuff.
ULTIMATUM is the equivalent of a Cherry Bomb in the Toilet
by George Newman
Jun 10th, 2009
07:39:47 PM
Marvel has given up of the Ultimate universe.

It had amazing talent when it started out but it all just dwindled away. Ult. X-Men and FF began with A-talents Kubert and Immonen, but for the latter half of the releases they have been penciled by C-talent (and zero interest) fill-in artists!

And now the Universe has culminated with Ultimatum, which has just been an action figure massacre (imagine a 9-year old using a Red Washable Marker to scribble blood on his toys' faces).

The only positive thought is that I still have my good memories (and books). Marvel can continue to mutilate its characters, I'm just not buying. I've been buying Marvel in some form or other for more than ten years but I stopped last year. Now I'm investing in GL (not Corps though) and whatever Quitely-Morrison book is out there(I say Quitely first cuz if he ain't drawing, I'm not buying). That's it.

Again With The Liam...
by Pogue__Mahone
Jun 10th, 2009
07:42:54 PM
I love his reviews, too! They speak truths that only an eight year old will readily see. And I love that Andrew and him and his brother read together and write together. Quality time like that will lead to a quality relationship in the future. I got a job application turned in where I work today... the kid (about 18) had written his own NAME wrong... crossed it out... and then written it correctly. If we're turning out generations of kids who can't read and write or spell their OWN NAME then God help us all. You keep writing your reviews, Liam, and I'll keep reading them! And for those who don't want to read them? Scroll, you bastards! Scroll!
It's great that the Kid writes reviews.
by Snookeroo
Jun 10th, 2009
08:44:36 PM
And likes to read.
And likes comics (we certainly need a new generation to carry the torch).
I certainly get a kick out of reading his reviews -- I remember what it was like to get a comic when I was that age -- it was a special experience.

But it would be utterly irresponsible to let an eight year old kid have access to this web page. I hope that's not the case. You might as well drag him into a barroom full of drunken sailors.
i think its irresponsible to an 8-year old read some of the stuf
by George Newman
Jun 10th, 2009
09:02:37 PM
irresponsible of the parent(s).

David Finch's illustrations in Ultimatum are grotesque and unpleasant. It's really quite absurd and unnecessary. I don't buy the book, and if i had a kid I certainly wouldn't let him/her look at it either.

Eight. This Kid is three-and-a-half feet tall and he probably hasn't grasped division or cursive yet (well, based on his writing level, maybe he has, but you get my point).

the book represents 1) Prof X getting his neck broken, which was a little traumatizing to me, 2)The Blob eating Wasp's intestines, 3)(the worst yet IMHO) Dr. Strange getting squeezed to death and you get a frame-by-frame of his face exploding under the pressure.

It is 100% awful and really shouldnt be marketed to kids

" *FOR an 8-year old...."
by George Newman
Jun 10th, 2009
09:14:03 PM
Whoopsie
I like how Ambush Bug says The Kid stays...
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Jun 10th, 2009
09:28:59 PM
Even though no one thinks an 8-year-old's "review" of certain comics carry any interest or weight. Exactly why DO you have him on here, then? Pity?? As a novelty joke??? I mean, you have a 2nd/3rd grader reviewing comics where mothers are impaled through the eye with pens! And you think we're actually interested in how "cool" he thinks it is??? We clearly are NOT.

As many here (and Christian Bale) have already said, "It's pretty useless." As well as annoying and disturbing. Really, why waste our time? Because I doubt there's anyone here who's bookmarked Liam's website to read his opinions on a regular basis or has any interest in them, outside of Archie books and the occasional "DC Adventures" comic. You know... comics FOR little kids!

But it's nice to know how much you care about the thoughts of the folks who actually are responsible for this site's success.

the Kid's reviews...
by Speedstream
Jun 10th, 2009
10:25:35 PM
are total crap. His giving Ultimatum 9 of 10 is just ridiculous. Maybe he should have his dad explain to him what's ACTUALLY HAPPENING in the book before he writes anything. I mean...he probably flipped through the book..."ooo pretty pictures" then flipped back to Valkrie. What has happened to this site...
I Used To Review Comic Books Here
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 10th, 2009
11:16:19 PM
Which is why I find it hilarious that anybody can complain about the Kid's qualifications.

Dude, they're comic books. Do you need some kind of degree in Comicbookology to review them?

I always felt the goal of this column was fan improvement, a worthy goal since we're all fans who need improving.

Trust me, bunkies, modern fans need to ditch the pretentiousness.

Comics are supposed to be fun.

So let me ask you, what comics did you love as a kid and why?

I got seriously into comics when I was about 10. I was already seriously into monsters and horror and at the time, the spinner rack was loaded with monster comics. Garish covers. Overbold lettering. Werewolves battling bizzare amalgams of vampires, Frankenstein monsters, zombies, golems. You had cover blurbs like WOLF BEAST VS. MOON NIGHT and ADVENTURES INTO FEAR AS MORBIUS SWIMS THROUGH A HELLEYES DARKLY.

Peter David admited Hulk's MPD was done before him
by Tall_Boy66
Jun 10th, 2009
11:19:00 PM
I can't find the quote and I can't remember which writer it was, but Peter David 100% admitted personally he wasn't the one to come up with Hulk Multiple Personality Disorder, someone before him did that first.
"For someone like me who loathed Gaiman’s “Goodnight Gotham” ble
by VinnyMac666
Jun 11th, 2009
04:28:00 AM
Never has one sentence made me so disinterested in anyone's opinion so quickly.
This is a site for comic fans...
by WavingFlagsInSpace
Jun 11th, 2009
04:47:32 AM
...and The Kid is clearly a comic fan.

The snobbishness of some people on this page is utterly ridiculous: there's no stipulated age limit on this site, nor on the comic books The Kid reviews, so why should he not submit his reviews?

And one day he will be just like those of us over the age of 30, earning his cash and buying his books and remembering what a bunch of idiots some of us were on AICN Comics Talkbacks. Younger readers should be encouraged, supported and given a voice because WE WERE JUST LIKE LIAM once.

I remember being a kid and getting the train to Camden Town to pick up my Batman comics from Mega City. The guys who ran the shop were so friendly and supportive - they'd chat about books and point my in directions I hadn't considered. I still pop back there whenever I can and it's been twenty years since I first set foot in there...

If they had behaved as some people do on this site then that would have been one fewer fan supporting an industry we all, hopefully, love.

C'mon Someone
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
05:20:30 AM
Disagree with me about Spider-Man.

I want to have a stirring row, a little verbal fist-to-cuffs. Let's back off junior mint for one week please.

The Kid is here to stay and some people do enjoy his reviews, especially the parnets out there.

We cover all bases. You want smart you Got Bug, Imp, Jinx, Ryan, Rock. You want dripping with irony, Mr. PAsty fits the bill. You want dirty, I think I fit that notch pretty snugly. Surly Sleay...we have it all for everyone.

Douche...
by WavingFlagsInSpace
Jun 11th, 2009
06:19:45 AM
...what's there to fight about? Ultimate Spidey ends with a whimper, not a bang. Anyone who has followed the series since issue 1 is going to feel dreadfully disappointed...it seems like Loeb's touch o'death at Marvel now spreads to Ultimate Spidey, though I am sure it was an editorial decision to give the impetus to Ultimatum.
Yeah
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
06:32:56 AM
I was just trying to derail....

I'm still wondering though who thought delivering a comic without words was a good idea after the horror show that was "nuff said".

At least that crap came with a warning.

The Kid must be the only 8 year old on Earth.
by cookylamoo
Jun 11th, 2009
07:30:51 AM
Who can't sneak on the internet and read these talkbacks.
It's certainly criminal...
by WavingFlagsInSpace
Jun 11th, 2009
07:45:55 AM
...to offer a comic book with no words AND only mediocre art. The more I think about it the more I feel that Bendis and Immomen have missed an opportunity.

To a certain extent Bendis has earned all the latitude in the world for his run on Ultimate Spider-man. Even if he had finished the series with Mary-Jane waking up and Peter stepping out of the shower then one could, possibly, stretch to degree of forgiveness.

If they were going to make the images the central focus of the comic then why-o-why didn't they get Bagley back to do the art as a special, or convince another marquee artist to give it a shot. If you're going to be different be REALLY different...

Oh and guys...
by WavingFlagsInSpace
Jun 11th, 2009
07:49:25 AM
...if you were getting rid of some complete sections of your comic book collection would you:

a./ Sell them on ebay...

b./Offer them to your LCS...

c./Take them to a charity shop so that someone benefits from the sale as well as the find...

d./Any other suggestions?

It's a question of space...

I Don't Read ULTIMATE SPIDEY...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 11th, 2009
07:51:35 AM
...but I'm sure Marvel's defense will be that "controversial" Nick Fury story Steranko did over 40 years ago without words.

Yeah, like anybody at Marvel knows about that story or Steranko.

Of course, that story was secret agents doing secret agent stuff.

Also, it could be Bendis answer to critics who complain that his stuff is too talky.

Maybe I'll look at the issue in the shop next time I take the kids in for their Aliens Kubricks. Might be an honest effort to do something different.

The reason Ultimate Spidey is silent
by Laserhead
Jun 11th, 2009
08:57:18 AM
is because it's a hacky way to SIGNAL IN BIG FLASHING SEMAPHORE that this issue is meant to be profound, important, moving. It's dressing, and nothing more. Because the story cannot be profound and moving through the actions and interactions of its characters, rather than actually inspire emotional movement in the audience, the author can only signal his intent that "this is meant to be moving." It's hacky, is all, a story pretentiously donning the trappings of 'serious' and 'important', without ever bothering to make itself actually be either of those things.

Total Bendis move.

Give the kid his own page
by Hedgehog000
Jun 11th, 2009
09:32:02 AM
I don't have a problem with him doing reviews here though I usually skim or skip them. However, if the point of having him is to encourage more kids in comics, it would make more sense to have his reviews on a separate all-ages page with a separate all-ages (monitored) talk back, so other kids actually could read and discuss them (I certainly wouldn't let my 8 year old onto this page much less the TBs). It would also spare this TB from this endless argument or the spectacle of dad feeling compelled to defend his kid.
Steve/Heroes Reborn vs. Ultimatum: which is worse?
by Joenathan
Jun 11th, 2009
09:39:32 AM
Allow me to counter your questions with a question: Which is worse, a poop sandwich or a diarrhea Gyro? Search within yourself.

Speaking of Heroes Reborn.... You guys have heard those weird-ass return of Cap rumors involving Heroes Reborn, right? That whole thing with the note from Reed to Tony, right?
God damn....
by Joenathan
Jun 11th, 2009
09:48:51 AM
The people who complain about The Kid endlessly are annoying, but some you fuckers who defend him... you're just fucking creepy. Scroll up and read some of those comments... makes me want to fucking shower. You creepy weird-os.
Optimus
by Joenathan
Jun 11th, 2009
09:53:09 AM
While, I didn't like the kind of off-camera-ness of the last Ult. Spidey, I didn't have a problem with the silence. What dialogue is nessecary? I'm sure Loeb or Slott would have put in liberal doses of:

"Hulk Smash!"

"No, Hulk! Oh no, that building is falling on me because of his unstoppable strength!"

"Gasp! Peter's mask..."

"Gasp! It ripped, but... but... that must mean he's...."

"Oh, Peter... where are you....?"

BARF! There is nothing wrong wih letting your sequential art tell the story. I had a problem with the story's hiding-of-its-cards, but I had zero problem with its presentation.
Also
by Joenathan
Jun 11th, 2009
09:57:44 AM
Destroyer looks fantastic. I can't wait for it.

Also, no one read Dead Run? I want to bitch about it...
The Kid needs to go
by nechyv
Jun 11th, 2009
10:43:36 AM
I get where you are coming from letting this kid write on the page, ok? I do. But to post an opinion that says the animated TMNT feature was the best is so unbelievably stupid that I don't see how you can honestly say there is any journalistic merit of any kind giving him space here. I really do love this site, I follow many of the reading recommendations here. You guys got me reading Kick-ass and Incognito, (plus you give walking dead space pretty regularly) and I thank you for the fine reviews you have posted that got me reading these and other great titles (Crossed, hellll yeah). I RECOMMEND AICN TO EVERY COMIC READER I KNOW!!!! But honestly, there are hundreds of comic readers who are more deserving of the column space you give "the Kid" with more developed ideas and opinions about comics, and it is insulting to give him this space. It's great this kid has so much enthusiasm! It really is, I'm sure in 6 years I'll be reading his reviews and I'll say, "Damn, this guy is pretty good" but for now he is saying things that, well, only an 8 year old would say. This site is better than that and smarter than that, I hope you will take this into consideration.
Please respond to the above post ambush bug
by nechyv
Jun 11th, 2009
10:46:21 AM
I wasn't mean or insulting in anyway, its a valid opinion that deserves a response.
If you want more
by Series7
Jun 11th, 2009
10:48:06 AM
More comic reviews check out Mymavra created by a bunch of follow talkbackers.

http://tinyurl.com/mlcdxu

Shameless plug.

Joen-- funny
by Laserhead
Jun 11th, 2009
10:59:49 AM
I was thinking much the same thing about the kid-defenders. I keep having images of new parents gushing over the big pile of shit their baby made in his diaper, and saying, "Isn't that wonderful, just a magnificent, beautiful, wonderful thing for his little self to achieve. Look-- it's still warm."
Joen I Gotta Disagree
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
11:02:49 AM
If you had a marquee artist and a writer that knows how to plot action better, maybe I would have been OK with this.

99% of Bendis fans will agree though that his strength is his dialogue not his plotting. Non-fans won't even give him that (which is where I think you're coming from).

I'll say right now, I'm a words guy when it comes to comic over art. Just how I'm wired. But this is a totally different way to handle a book and requires a special team. These guys ain't it.

Utter lack of detail to the over arching event, sloppy presentation in some cases (the building giving birth -- one minute no water, next minute woosh) and as you stated if you didn't read Ultimatum all you could give is a big WTF am I reading from a story stand-point.

I'll respond, nechyv.
by Ambush Bug
Jun 11th, 2009
11:12:43 AM
2nd verse, same as the first.

Because all of the reviewers are completely different people, it's impossible to recommend every positive review we give because one month to the next, you're bound to get varying positive and negative reviews. I am not a fan of CROSSED. Last week's review from Baytor was a positive one. If we are simply going by your post, what do you do in that case?

AICN Comics is a place for opinions, hence our colorful moniker. The Kid has a father who is awesome enough to a) let him read comics, b) actually spends quality time with him talking about it, & c) validates/builds confidence/educates him by having him articulate those views and putting his views on the internet. The father is building the comic book fan of tomorrow and sharing what we all believe is special in comics with his son. The father lets him see his reviews on AICN, but doesn't let him read the talkbacks (thank god).

I don't care who it is in the @$$Hole roster, I'm not going to take a person off simply because TBers gripe about it. I respect all who coe to this site, but sorry, this ain't a democracy. Posting this reason or that reason the Kid shouldn't be here, whether hateful or well versed, will get the same response from me.

As always, I don't want to sway readers away from the column. But if you lack the ability to just scroll past and get on with your life, then I don't know what to tell you.

The Kid stays. His opinion counts. And if you try to give a review or two of his a chance, I'm sure it'll make you chuckle as much as I do.

Cookie cutter reviews are an url away. There are plenty of sites where you can't distinguish one reviewer from the next. From the very beginning eight years ago, AICN Comics has prided itself on offering heartfelt opinions on comics from a variety of different voices. The Kid is yet another one of those distinct voices.
Well, at least you gave me a fair response
by nechyv
Jun 11th, 2009
11:24:34 AM
But liking crossed is in issue of taste. Calling TMNT2007 the best is not a matter of taste, its just dumb. I get what you're saying here, and its all very good (that is not sarcasm, I really appreciate what you are saying) but would the movie section post a review that said "the Dark Knight is in many ways flawed when compared to the opus of Batman & Robin" no, that wouldn't be posted, because it is clearly wrong. Such is the case with the kid. I don't read his reviews and I do scroll past them (I did read a couple when he first started), I just feel there are people who work very hard writing comic reviews that deserve this opportunity for exposure more than Liam.
Movie Section Might Do That Nech
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
11:34:02 AM
Considering Harry actually liked Phantom Mediocrity.
So douche
by Series7
Jun 11th, 2009
11:38:28 AM
I guess you were the guy who recomended that British only no words book called The Amazing Mr. Amperduke then?
I bet the kids dad
by Series7
Jun 11th, 2009
11:40:46 AM
Makes him read the comics, while the kid wants to go outside and play netball or rounders.
See, Optimous is a good example
by nechyv
Jun 11th, 2009
11:46:01 AM
This guy is an example of what I'm talking about, you got great reviewers here (I STILL can't find space invaders Opt) making this a solidly respectable place. But then you got this kid talking about how cool various abominations are. While your here opt, I gotta say, picked up the Impaler trade, you owe me 16 dollars for that little misadventure (Joking, joking, but I did hate it)
Bug
by Series7
Jun 11th, 2009
11:47:49 AM
Surely your agree that the reviews at mymavra are not cookie cutter.

http://tinyurl.com/mlcdxu

Optimous is good is what I was trying to say
by nechyv
Jun 11th, 2009
11:48:25 AM
realized that didn't sound exactly right when I re read it.
I'm just saying...
by Joenathan
Jun 11th, 2009
12:01:57 PM
I may not think the story has been told well, but I had no trouble following what wnet on AND I believe that fo most of the issue itself, snappy banter (Bendis's real strong suit) had no place and would have underscored the attempted seriousness.

Also, you're right, Harry would totally post a review like that. Remember his Armaggedon review?
Thanks Nech
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
12:17:33 PM
No worries it read like a compliment, and I think you and I are extra golden b/ Impaler was not my recommend.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node /31582#2

Google to the rescue again.

Nech I Know the Problem
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
12:23:39 PM
If you mean Outer Space Men.

Even if there was a space invaders comic, I avoid game to comic bleeds like the plague.

Crazy searches aside the site for Outer Space Men is a bitch to navigate, but you can order from there: http://tinyurl.com/np5436

Series7
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
12:25:20 PM
Shamelss plugs are better served on Wednesdays, only us hard core (or really bored at work) TBrs are around on Thursdays, but what the hell here's one more for you http://tinyurl.com/mlcdxu
Yeah I did mean OSM
by nechyv
Jun 11th, 2009
12:27:46 PM
thanks for the link
Joen
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
12:32:39 PM
Shit I understood Batman & Robin, does that mean it ever should have sullied a strip of celluloid...negative.

I agree snappy banter was not called for here, but then you have to ask should he even be writing comics if he can't man up and can the snark to deliver some heartfelt pages.

And you said it man "attempted" seriousness.

I'm man enough to admit that certain comics have caused me to have outward reactions whether laughter or tears.

The only thing that made me want to cry after reading this book was Terms of Endearment playing on AMC in the background.

optimous
by Series7
Jun 11th, 2009
12:48:20 PM
Yah I'll plug it again next week. Maybe buy some ad space.
Yep, it was a failure
by Joenathan
Jun 11th, 2009
01:01:38 PM
but I blame Ultimatum, not the creative team.
Nip/Tuck
by Series7
Jun 11th, 2009
01:05:40 PM
Should be watched, especially season 2-3
Fuck
by Series7
Jun 11th, 2009
01:05:58 PM
Wrong thread.
Neh
by optimous_douche
Jun 11th, 2009
02:36:07 PM
I'm not buying, if you call yourself a professional writer you should be able to switch gears to fit the tonality of any event.

Not saying I'm God's gift to the keyboard, but I button-up every day to write drab CorpSpeak, but can still rock out with my cock out about comics.

Someone of Bendis' calbre should be able to table the funny and be able to add some gravity to his dialogue.

There's Nothing So Useless As A Comic Reviewer
by MasterBaytor
Jun 11th, 2009
07:04:52 PM
Except maybe a music reviewer. It seems like most people who read comic reviews are just interested in a feedback loop, complaining when a reviewer doesn't espouse the same view he has of the work (since he's a regular reader of said work, one wonders why he feels compelled to read the review in the first place). Comic fans (myself included) are notorious for sticking pretty close to what we like month-after-month. So much of the hating on the kid seems to stem from the fact that he's giving positive reviews to comics that people hate. The reason he's out there so much is because he's one of the few reviewers here who can be arsed to read more than a handful of DC/Marvel comics a month. I was driven from the Big Two several years ago by endless (and I mean endless) cross-over events that renders all but a handful of books unreadable over the long term. I could pick up the latest GREEN LANTERN comic and give it a review, but I doubt anyone here would enjoy my pissing on it from a great height, which is pretty much how I always feel about Geoff Johns comics.
The reason The Kid's getting so much "abuse" is:
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Jun 12th, 2009
04:04:19 AM
(1)He's reviewing violent and graphic books no RESPONSIBLE parent would let his 8-year-old read (he's very mature for his age... yeah, right... blah, blah, blah... HE'S EIGHT!!!)

(2)His reviews are all pretty much the SAME (When Spidey/Hulk/Bullseye hit the guy off the roof it was cool! 9/10!)

No one over the age of 12 — which is pretty much everyone who GOES to this website — really CARES what an 8-year-old thinks about comics that aren't geared towards children! Unless Ambush Bug or The Kid's daddy are going to claim that Ultimatum or Dark Avengers were written with 8-year-olds in mind... which they clearly WEREN'T.

What's sad is that the TBers seem to have a MUCH better grasp of appropriate material and venues for children than The Kid's biggest defenders/pimps, Ambush Bug and Poppa Kid. Their egos are apparently so big, they refuse to recognize or admit how irresponsible what they're doing really is. Bad parenting rears it's ugly head, yet again... and we all get a front row seat! Yea! >:(

OxymoronSmartHardWorkingComicRev iewers
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 12th, 2009
08:21:33 AM
You gotta be kidding. You want this when yer reading about a medium that's supposed to be fun? Comics are a rebel medium, an outlaw medium. Sure, it's geek rebel and nerd outlaw, but still, everybody would pretty much rather you be doing something else with your time.

A comic book is something the teacher takes from you when you have it slipped under your health text book in study hall.

A comic book is something you'd better not be drawing when someone SMART AND HARD WORKING is lecturing you about how you should work hard at something smart.

Comic fans who deserve the space? We comic fans ARE space or at least we TAKE UP space and we're proud of it!

Saying smart, hard working comic reviewers is as big an insult as saying smart hardworking surfers or bikers or garage band musicians.

And the parenting guy. What are you, man, the PTA? Or the father of ... girls? Man, when I was the Kid's age, it was Billy Jack and Bruce Lee kicking ass, Dirty Harry and Death Wish blowing it away, reruns of Colonel Hogan and his Heroes blowing up Nazi stuff, smoking cigars and making out with Fraulein Helga and being the only adult is media that I respected! My Dad let me watche POINT BLANK and my reaction to Lee Marvin was: "Now, that's who I want to grow up to be!"

If you don't have kids and want to see realistic portrayals of kids it literature, may I suggest William Golding's LORD OF THE FLIES, Richard Hughes A HIGH WIND IN JAMAICA and Orson Scott Card's ENDER'S GAME. Also, Bart Simpson will tell you that there are many fine books on war in your local library with cool, gorey pictures. Don't believe what your Mom or girlfriend thinks about kids, dude. You'll be selling your own kids short and setting them up for bad school experiences.

As for some of the over the top violence/language/adult sitchiachuns in comics, well, we know that those aren't FOR kids OR adults. That is adolescent material.

Personally, I wouldn't allow myself to read something that I wouldn't allow my middle graders to read (they only like ALIEN VS. PREDATOR comics and Jeff Smith's BONE).

And as far as the whole DARK KNIGHT vs. BATMAN & ROBIN thing, yeah, TDK if yer 11-1000, but yeah, if yer 8, BATMAN & ROBIN has Mr. Freeze and the Hockey Team from Hell and Bane and that ice cream truck. Now, the real movie is BATMAN FOREVER. The only thing Batman that Buzz Jr. cared about when he was the Kid's age was Two Face.

And Yer Surprised About Irresponsibility...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 12th, 2009
08:26:19 AM
on a comic book forum? You want responsible, may I suggest getting your colon checked and joining some sort of committee.
Uncanny X-MEN # 103 Was Cool...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 12th, 2009
08:29:44 AM
...when Storm was stupid enough to fly up to the top Cassidy Keep and attack Juggernaut by herself and Wolverine called her a dumb broad and Colossus (who I think had a mercifully unspoken crush on Storm at the time) threw Wolverine over the top of the castle and the only thing about that that bothered Wolverine was that he landed too far away to get into the fight and a leprachaun showed up and called him "Logan" when no one had before and showed him a shortcut so he could start making long cuts into Juggie's invulnerable hide.
The More I Read, The More I Read...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 12th, 2009
08:35:17 AM
...Uh, it's no one age 12 or under who cares what a kid thinks. Frankly, when I was 12, I only cared what my friends and I thought about comics. The idea of READING what anybody thought about a comic was ridiculous. We figured those guys who wrote into the lettercols were either trying to get jobs at Marvel or free comics, and we wisely skipped those pages.

And I'm sure that DARK AVENGERS and ULTIMATIUM (or whatever it's called)weren't written for the 8 year old mind. They were written for the 14 year old mind, as God intended.

Reading More...May This Never Be...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 12th, 2009
08:39:26 AM
...a solidly respectable place. I'm outta here for good when this happens. I like this being a solidly disreputable place. Man, you want a solidly respectable place, go to work or something.
I Feel Bad For Bill Mantlo, But...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 12th, 2009
08:53:37 AM
...when I was a kid, and I came across a Bill Mantlo issue of anything, to me it wasn't worth the money to buy it or the risk to steal it. It was like, "Aw, man, Mantlo wrote this one. Or Tuska drew it. No comics are better than this."
This is why Prof. Challenger is wrong.
by Subtitles_Off
Jun 14th, 2009
01:41:49 PM
Dick Grayson was never trained to take over as Batman. He was trained so he could take care of himself. Bruce Wayne is miserable as Batman - he sees it as his responsibility and wouldn't want anyone else to have to do it. Show me one example from contemporary continuity - not an alternate timeline or variant Earth scenario - where Dick Grayson is being trained to assume eventual status as batman.

Besides, even when taking over Daddy's business, kids ought to be allowed to wear their own clothes.

Your criticism of "Bruce as asshole" is a criticism of the writers, not the characters. There's no reason Bruce can't be written so that he pats a sidekick on the head every once in awhile. There's no reason Morrison couldn't write the exact same story with Bruce in the costume.

In fact, it would be a better story, I pose, because it is Bruce's son in the pixie suit now. That Morrison re-introduced a biological heir but never let Bruce even take the boy fishing is as dumb as resurrecting Jason Todd.

Call a gimmick a gimmick.

Interview with the writers of ROTTEN
by jd77
Jun 19th, 2009
12:55:06 PM
Rotten kicks ass. I can't wait for the next issue. The writers of Rotten did a podcast interview you can check out here: http://tinyurl.com/lc4htn
Yes, NuMu! Homer Sexual, BangoSkank
by GooberNGrape
Jun 19th, 2009
03:50:20 PM
i'm also diggin New Mutants. even the swank logo makes me happy. but Homer, i know what you mean about Illyana, same thing with Shan for me. like, does she do anything besides become overpowered by other psychics? because we've seen that before. after the first few times, you'd think she'd figure out how to prevent being possessed.
Anybody know...?
by itsjust_notcool_anymore_baby
Jun 22nd, 2009
10:06:50 PM
Where u can purchase the Halloween comics?
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