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Marlowe takes a look at the first 58 pages of the latest X-MEN rewrite!

It's about time we had a superhero ensemble movie. by stewdog	Aug 8th, 1999 02:35:13 AM
What can I say, this description sounds like a totally kick-ass movie!
Nice. by C.C. Baxter	Aug 8th, 1999 02:36:30 AM
This screenplay sounds good. I wonder what was the prob with the earlier versions.
Max Lensherr?? by DiernaSoul	Aug 8th, 1999 03:04:36 AM
Altho the movie of course sounds totally awsome and I can't wait to see it...Im a bit confused about something....Is it me or did they change Magneto's name from Erik Magnus Lensherr to Max Lensherr?? Why change his name?? That's going to be on obvious major change to all the major X-Men fans once the movie hits the theatres next year!
B.C. Alberta????????????????????????? ????????? by LOS GORDOS	Aug 8th, 1999 03:22:21 AM
I'm Canadian and I just hadda say -- There is no such place as B.C. ALBERTA. British Colombia and Alberta are two seperate provinces. It may sound like nit picking but it's like saying INT. BAR, California Oregon -- or something. Maybe there is a town in B.C. called Alberta, but I never heard of it. This script sounds fucking great by the way and is exactly the tone I was hoping for. Well I gotta go ride my moose back to my igloo now and fry up some beaver for dinner.
Two Great script reviews in one day?!? Thank the gods of Geekdo by SomaCube	Aug 8th, 1999 03:39:40 AM
Joss Whedon is one of my favorite writers, always very creative, and BTVS is pretty much the best show on television right now, so his input to this movie is like icing the cake, baby. I'm not really sure what happened with his Alien contribution, but I'm sure it got fucked up in the system somehow. How am I sure? Because it's always the system's fault when something ends up sucking ass. Just like it will be the system's fault if this movie is a stinking pile of shite. "Dude, the suits always trying to stick their noses where they don't belong. Damn Studio execs!!!" Anyway, I have faith in the filmmakers, and it looks as though Ian Mckellen is going to come out of the next two years as the most unlikely hero of both the Gays and the Geeks. That's gonna be one weird Comicon.
Joss Whedon is my hero by kkrankk	Aug 8th, 1999 04:06:55 AM
Marlowe's synopsis has me so psyched my head hurts. If it's legit: Yahoo!! If it's fake: Marlowe ought to get paid to write this shit for a living.
is my password valid? by nightsir	Aug 8th, 1999 04:19:20 AM

Juggernaut by Epicetus	Aug 8th, 1999 05:19:23 AM
All I can say is: Cooooooool! I can't wait to see it! It's about as faithful to the comic as a movie can get without being animated. Joss Whedon he's da man, if he can't do it, no one can! Yaayy Josh!
X-Men Movie? by Warrior	Aug 8th, 1999 08:44:20 AM
How about a Justice League movie? Forget Nic Cage and his (no doubt) crappy version of Superman. A JLA movie could be a great way to re-introduce Supes, as well as feature GUY GARDNER, the one true hero of comic literature. About the X-Men, although I haven't read them mutant books since about "Inferno" (Marvel sucks), it would be interesting to see them on the big screen. They should forget wimpy Marvel Girl, and instead replace her with Phoenix. And Alex Summers should be in it, plasma-blasts and all. Who is the main villain? Magneto? He is OK, but for my money no one beats Mister Sinister. He is really the X-man villain, IMHO. Even better than Apocalypse.
who cut the cheese? by jccalhoun	Aug 8th, 1999 08:44:33 AM
Sorry. The script sounds cool if it were a comic book, but I can not imagine it being anything but cheezy on the screen. Is there any way to have barbed wire move by its self without it looking hoaky? Cyclops' lazer eyes going through the wall? I can just see the cheap plaster and you know someone is going to look through teh hole in the wall. The bit with wolverine sounds like it might be ok, but the healing cut will just look stupid. I've not very high hopes for this one.
Rogue she wasn't around in the early years! The Kirby/Byrne Xmen by Norm3	Aug 8th, 1999 08:47:28 AM
They should follow the Original Jack Kirby Xmen team or the Second Dave Cockrum/John Byrne Xmen team of the late 70's Early 80's.
Some of you just really want to hate this by Whitey	Aug 8th, 1999 09:07:16 AM
No matter what you will read or see clips of, you will just want to harp and be pessimistic. Tell me: do you really feel good when you write these things? Is it some kind of release for you? Chill out and try to enjoy this film, okay? Cripes.
pop goes the wolverine by angel	Aug 8th, 1999 09:17:56 AM
i can't wait for all those patented whedon "pop culture" references, i mean, that's what makes x-men such a great comic: "hey, wolverine, i was eating my lucky charms this morning, watching MTV, and i realized that you're like a cyber-'teen wolf'! cool! let's go chill out in the danger room! it's like a deadly disneyland! cool! i can kick some major bad guy butt once they pump me up! cool!"
This film's tone could be like ... by Whitey	Aug 8th, 1999 09:19:02 AM
CONTACT. That's kind of what it reminds me of now. Where you are dealing with these implausible elements and it's all handled very seriously and w/out forgetting the human drama of it. Also, how these new advances threaten our beliefs and all the political machinatins that ensue. I know a lot of you probably disliked that film, thought it was boring, but I for one appreciated that it handled what could have been sheer spectacle and a cheesefest with intelligence and feeling. I hope the X-Men does the same, otherwise it's Shumacher-time.
About fraggin' time! by dedboy	Aug 8th, 1999 09:37:17 AM
This seems too good to be true. They might finally be getting it right. Can the eye-candy for a more in depth story. Anyone who reads X-Men can tell you that the dramatic elements are as important to the mythos as the action. It's also cool that they aren't bringing in too many characters (ala Batman & Robin) because that'll just slow things down and take away from the essentials. They're on the right track, let's hope they don't stray from it. And they better not cut out the danger room either.
Challenge of the Superheroes by primemover	Aug 8th, 1999 09:51:03 AM
Anyone remember those DC specials from the late seventies with Adam West and Burt Ward returning to the roles of B & R along with Green Lantern, Black Canary, Hawkman(who i seem to recall never spoke--just cried like an eagle) the Flash(who basically moved in stop motion)and the Legion of Doom? I remember to to be as hokey as hell(at one point Robin uses charades to tell Batman he destroyed the batmobile: "the Batmobile's in a totebag?"). I think this x men film may suffer from its use of fairly well known actors(Chris Reeve was a complete unknown) just as the Batman movie suffered from Nicholson's involvement. They will be too eager to camp up their performances I suspect.
Thanks...I needed that by Sword Man	Aug 8th, 1999 10:00:27 AM
Finally a valid script reading. I think this movie is gonna set the standard for comic movies in the future. So far the script sounds tight, and bryan singer is directing, what more do you need? And to all you bitches who like to put everything down to make yourself feel better. Shut the F#@% up, and let us enjoy the movie without your negative feedback.
Deal With Max by AshFett	Aug 8th, 1999 10:27:58 AM
They did. And actually, this goes back to the earliest drafts of the script that Ed Solomon wrote. I saw Solomon do a Q&A almost two years ago when he was first writing the script and he mentioned the name Max Lensherr. When someone asked why he made his name that he said that the comics had changed his name it seemed several times, and also as far as Magnus is concerned he hated the Batman esque thing of someones real name nicely being twisted into their super power to be name. but still, I was like "Well Erik IS his name for sure now" Except he was right... a year later they did an X-Men comic story that even said that name (Erik) might not be real! So Max he is in the film... I think we should deal. Everything else he said about Victor Creed and Logan sounded great... yes, the script's gone through a million changes since then, but it sounds great, and I couldn't be happier to have Joss working on it.
I got my hopes up for nothing by Cineman	Aug 8th, 1999 11:34:36 AM
Reading the script review, I began to drool at how cool this movie sounds. Then, as I finished the last words, all of a sudden, I remembered who was making this flick. Now Bryan is very talented and I thought he could pull this movie off, but every time I remember the cast, I cringe and shudder. He started out great. Ian and Patrick, beautiful casting. Then, somehow Joel Schumacher/Satan must have entered his body and casted the other roles. Bryan has fucked up every other casting choice and he has 2 chances left. Thank God Jim Cavazelli or whatever his name is turned him down. I think somebody better call an exorcist for Bryan.
Character Selection by Krishna Haynes	Aug 8th, 1999 12:06:32 PM
Am I the only one a bit dissatisfied with the character selection for the movie? I mean I understand the reason for not having damn near the whole team (budget constraints, screen time, yadda yadda) but somehow I don't know if I like the chemistry that this team has. I still think the script is dead on, but I would have preferred to see some of the snappier wittier characters as I find that Storm, Jean and Cyclops are all a bit too morose for my liking. Plus, we'll have to believe that before the arrival of Logan and Rogue, those three made up the entire team. I don't know. . . Maybe just the addition of Iceman or one of the younger (or youthful for that matter)characters to be there in add a bit of zing. I don't know, maybe I just haven't had my coffee for the morning. . .
Anyone with imagination can see this done right, and believably. by Revelare	Aug 8th, 1999 01:17:02 PM
While reading the scene synopsis' I was imagining the actors in the scenes, performing the actions. I was even trying to imagine how Singer may shoot it. It can be done, and it can be believable. The effects can still be good. For example, in the scenes mentioned, not a lot of CGI would be needed. Actual barbed wire being pulled by an attached wire from an offscreen crewman; Said wire being digitally erased in post. Remember `Twister'? Hail, and snow is an easy effect to do. And it can look good. The optic-blast: Um, can we say `Star Wars blasters'? It's just a red light of energy. It has no actual mass or texture, and a thick wall can explode believably as well. Stopping a water bottle in mid-air? Um, remember the shot of the floating water bottle in `Event Horizon'? Or just take a bluescreen shot of said bottle, digitize it, and manipulate the image as if floating. As far as it being thrown, well, just throw one. Logan's claws are pretty easy too, and won't really require anything beyond CGI extension/retraction. Everything else can be physical make-ups/costumes. A large tree falling? Um, cut one and push it. How much more believable do you need? It's a tree falling. The healing cut has been seen too many times, and was pretty believable then as well. The skeletal scanning? Well, that's supposed to look CGI-ish. Mystique morphing? Self explanatory really. Traditional morphing techniques. Magneto psychically moving a chess piece can be done on set with a digitally erased wire. None of the scenes contain effects that haven't been done in previous movies, and done well. The only scene that could possibly have cheesy effects (RE: CGI) is the danger room, depending on exactly what type of training they're doing. Believable effects are easily accomplished cheaply. And exactly what makes you think there will be bad acting? Patrick Stewart is a phenominal actor, as is Ian McCallum, and Anna Paquin. 2 of them are Oscar winners, and most are cast with people with actual acting talent. So far, I see one wrestler, one model, and one martial artist (with no dialogue)followed by a cast of actors any director would love to have in any film. True, Singer has no experience with a film this big, but only in the effects dept. He's always been able to make his actors give incredible performances (even though he's only done 2 films), and that seems to be what this film is about: Characterization over flashy effects. Whitey is right, some of you just want something to complain about, and can't find logical excuses to do it. If you think the actors will give `crappy' performances, and the effects will be `cheesy', then you should 1)Go watch `Usual Suspects', and `Apt Pupil'. Then 2) Watch TPM, and `Twister' because the effects are similar. Just use your imagination. And the small character selection shows that Xavier is still in the process of building the team. Still realizing his dream of mutants learning to use their powers for good, and being accepted. It shows `his' way of thinking still isn't accepted thus making his school unknown, and without students.
Oh, and a couple of scenes to boot by Revelare	Aug 8th, 1999 01:31:14 PM
http://www.backstage-pass.com/ xmenscript.htm Or you can check the news archives on darkhorizons.com and use their link. Don't know how many of you check darkhorizons.com, but there was a link to a site that contained a few pages of the script (supposedly). It has ~2.5 scenes, all dealing with Cyclops, Jean, and Logan, but the one with Cyclops and Logan is intense. Especially for a scene being about 3-4 minutes long. "There are more people starving today than those who can truly call themselves free. I offer peace and a good life ... or a swift and terrible death. The choice is theirs. --Magneto [Uncanny X-men #150] I sincerely hope Ian McCallum has some dialogue like this.
* * FEAR ATTRACTS THE TOAD * * by Darth Maui	Aug 8th, 1999 01:38:36 PM
DAMN! this sounds kickass! What's the deal with their costumes? Do they all have all black costumes now? With big red X'es on them? That's what it sounds like to me, I think this will be COOOOOOOOOOOOOL. The special effects won't look hokey... didn't anyone see THE MATRIX? I disagree with whoever said this would only be a good comic book. This will be a KICK ASS movie! The fact that Ian McKellan is on board will make it kick ass. Has he made a bad movie in the past 10 years? Oh yeah... Last Action Hero... OTHER than that. I can't wait!!! When's this coming out again??
* * FEAR ATTRACTS AWFUL SPELLERS * * by Darth Maui	Aug 8th, 1999 02:19:40 PM
not to nitpick, but it's Ian MCKELLEN now mcallum. you're thinking of Rick McCallum or something like that, the Star Wars guy. Ian McKellen is the teriffic actor who was in Gods&Monsters, Apt Pupil, Tales of the City, etc, etc, etc. If you want to worry about actors in X-Men, worry about Rebecca Romyjn-Stamos and Tyler Mane.. NOT Ian McKellen.
Hewlett- why so bitter? by Slash	Aug 8th, 1999 03:11:15 PM
Damn, what is your problem? Are you an exec at Warner's or something? Face it, whether you like it or not X-Men is turning out to look pretty damn good so far. And if you wanna argue that, go ahead, but do so competently. Saying something will be a bomb and then not backing it up with solid facts doesnt look so great on your part. You say that Logan watching Designing women is camp for 13 yr. olds? How many 13 yr. olds do you know that know what that show is? I can imagine you when the movie premieres, no matter how good it may be, you'd be too stubborn to admit it. Get over yourself, enjoy what could be a solid Marvel adaption, or explain why (?) you spend so much of your time shitting on something you're seemingly so uninterested in.
Ugh by JebZingo	Aug 8th, 1999 03:21:13 PM
Is it just me, or do those scenes just suck?! I mean, look at the odds here: Rogue kills boyfriend, runs. Finds the baddest mutant in a bar BY CHANCE, drives away, gets attacked by Sabertooth BY CHANCE, and then found and saved (uh-oh...The Rock syndrome..you know, where the hero is going to die, only to be saved by ally who is unseen by bad guy...the most over-used cleche in action films) by Cyclops and Storm BY CHANCE! Sure, sure, that computer mutant-detector thing that X has could pin-point him, but comeon...it's just too unlikely. I've been a fan of the X-men since Magneto was a good guy...and he never came across to me as insane. If his portrayal of Magneto is AT ALL over-the-top, I'm gonna swear off all comic-book movies for the rest of my life. The Over-The-Top Comic Book Villain was started by Jack Nicholsen and should have ended with him. This movie's gonna suck, people. It doesn't matter who does it, who writes it, who directs it. There are very few directors who put quality entertainment out every time at bat...and Singer just isn't one of them. Whedon? Toy Story I loved, Alien Res. sucked big alien tongue. He's unproven yet in my mind...I don't care what critics say about Buffy...it's still a freakin' teenage drama, and I hate freakin' teenage dramas. McQuarrie...totally unproven. SO what if he has an oscar? Means nothing. Desanto's also totally unproven...what are we basing the coolness of this movie on? If it's a script, wise-up. Movies are a visual medium...a script tells you as much about a movie as if you just read the dialogue in a novel...you miss all the subtext. Also, a script can change a HELLOFALOT in production and even post production. It's just nothing to go by, people. And if Dougray (what kind of Anglophyllic self-important name is that?!) can pull of a hard-headed old (and I do mean old) scrapper from the back woods of Canada, I'll eat my hat. Paquin? Maybe...I just saw her in the Piano playing (and this was probably a real stretch for her, being a little girl) a little girl. Halle? She's easy on the eyes, but God knows if she can act...and if her African accent sounds ANYTHING like Eddie Murphy's from Coming To AMerica, she'd better just stay home. Stewart has too much Wise-Old-Sc-Fi-Bald-Guy baggage from Star Trek to be believable...my choice would have been someone who can do a decent American accent, and a better actor, Ben Kingsly. Ray Park will draw in all the slathering fanboys. Romijn can't act her way out of a wet paper bag. Norton as Cyclops? GIve me a break...he'll look like a little kid. SUCK, SUCK, SUCK. THey shoulda just let it live in the comics, where it belongs. You know, like Spiderman. Go ahead and TRY to have someone crawl up a wall and make it look anything but cheesy.
This sounds like like sh*t!!!!! by GhostofLaneMyers	Aug 8th, 1999 03:56:15 PM
What the Hell is wrong with you people??? THIS IS ALL WRONG!!!!! I knew Bryan Singer was a fucking one-hit wonder when I saw the utter travesty that was "Apt Pupil". I could go into the many things I hate here and might if I didn't have to go throw up, but MARK MY FUCKING WORDS!!!!! THIS FLICK IS GOING TO SUCK SO MUCH ASS EVERY OTHER AWFUL PIECE OF SHIT THAT YEAR WILL HAVE TO SEEK NEW SOURCES OF ASS FOR THEMSELVES!!!!!!! PLEASE STOP MAKING FUCKING COMIC BOOKS INTO MOVIES!!!!! YOU'LL ONLY PROVE TWO THINGS!!!! 1: YOU SUCK ASS AND 2:YOU ARE A FUCK UP!!!
Calm down, and Whedon also wrote Alien Resurection...ugh! by Stilt-Man	Aug 8th, 1999 04:27:35 PM
Ghostoflanemyers (or whatever)...calm down, go get laid, jack off...whatever releases the pressure in you. To the person on this talk back site who says Whedon is thier hero...I LOVE Buffy!!!!!, BUT!!! he also wrote The last Aliens movie, NUFF said! (stick to tv Joss).
Joss Whedon is OVERRATED by Dead Kid	Aug 8th, 1999 04:32:23 PM
I for one am definitely looking forward to X-MEN and am prepared for a silver screen variation of our mutant heroes but am cautious to raise my expectations too high and this was further realized when i read that Joss "Alien: Ressurection" Whedon was handling the rewrite. Buffy "the movie" was lame (the t.v. show which he produces is good but does he write every episode? didn't think so...hence it's appeal) The coolness of Rutger Haur and comic timing of Paul Reubens was not enough to save that film. Kirsty Swanson should continue with her bit roles like in Big Daddy and perhaps consider a sequel to the Chase since it was the only ohther movie worse than 'Buffy' i can think of. Whedon's Speed was a mediocre action movie at best and thankyou Mr. Whedon for ruining one of the few film franchises i actually cared about. Your last entry to the Alien series made me wish i spat up projectile acid instead of vomit so i could hurl it at you. It was Whedon's "oh-so-witty" pop culture dialogue and writing that has already made Alien:Resuurection seem dated in a series a films that have to this point remained timeless. And why did Alien:Resurrection have to take place 200 YEARS! beyond the third film? Your "incredible" writing and research for this film furthers the idea that we haven't perfected cloning until the 24th century (read the daily newspaper you hack, we are practically cloning people in this century) and what a great off-the-hip idea to have this film take place 200 years further down the road making it an even more futuristic future (the art direction on the film did not look any more technologically 'advanced' than what Fincher or Scott or Cameron had done with the previous films). One would think you set the story that far into the future to distance your "work" (trash?) from the other films to avoid inconsistencies and plot devices that would normally challenge professional writers. You took the character of Ripley, that once garnered the attention of the Academy for an Oscar nomination for Weaver's performance, and turned her into a "schwarzenegger-type one liner action hero cliche". I won't even mention the terrible dialogue you had written for the characters Jonner, Call, and that Hispanic space marine (Wow! You're an auton?! i never thought i'd ever meet one!) By the way that guy gets my worst actor of the decade award for this movie and Dusk Till Dawn 2. So i hope all will excuse me when I for am not one those who are looking forward to Whedon's witty pop culture dialogue and snappy banter (ex. Kill you! Does that compute?...Or do i have to draw you a schematic?... Earth, what a shithole...Must be chick thing.) I sincerely hope he doesn't go on to ruin some of my favorite comic book characters in this film, but as typical Hollywood with dollar signs in their eyes and their heads up their asses, will continue to churn out formulaic retro-hip crap by hiring flavor of the month talent. And i wont even go into what i think of some of the casting decisions thus far for this film (Rebecca Romijn friggin' Stamos? Halle Berry? God help us...)
Joss Whedon is OVERRATED by Dead Kid	Aug 8th, 1999 04:34:04 PM
I for one am definitely looking forward to X-MEN and am prepared for a silver screen variation of our mutant heroes but am cautious to raise my expectations too high and this was further realized when i read that Joss "Alien: Ressurection" Whedon was handling the rewrite. Buffy "the movie" was lame (the t.v. show which he produces is good but does he write every episode? didn't think so...hence it's appeal) The coolness of Rutger Haur and comic timing of Paul Reubens was not enough to save that film. Kirsty Swanson should continue with her bit roles like in Big Daddy and perhaps consider a sequel to the Chase since it was the only ohther movie worse than 'Buffy' i can think of. Whedon's Speed was a mediocre action movie at best and thankyou Mr. Whedon for ruining one of the few film franchises i actually cared about. Your last entry to the Alien series made me wish i spat up projectile acid instead of vomit so i could hurl it at you. It was Whedon's "oh-so-witty" pop culture dialogue and writing that has already made Alien:Resuurection seem dated in a series a films that have to this point remained timeless. And why did Alien:Resurrection have to take place 200 YEARS! beyond the third film? Your "incredible" writing and research for this film furthers the idea that we haven't perfected cloning until the 24th century (read the daily newspaper you hack, we are practically cloning people in this century) and what a great off-the-hip idea to have this film take place 200 years further down the road making it an even more futuristic future (the art direction on the film did not look any more technologically 'advanced' than what Fincher or Scott or Cameron had done with the previous films). One would think you set the story that far into the future to distance your "work" (trash?) from the other films to avoid inconsistencies and plot devices that would normally challenge professional writers. You took the character of Ripley, that once garnered the attention of the Academy for an Oscar nomination for Weaver's performance, and turned her into a "schwarzenegger-type one liner action hero cliche". I won't even mention the terrible dialogue you had written for the characters Jonner, Call, and that Hispanic space marine (Wow! You're an auton?! i never thought i'd ever meet one!) By the way that guy gets my worst actor of the decade award for this movie and Dusk Till Dawn 2. So i hope all will excuse me when I for am not one those who are looking forward to Whedon's witty pop culture dialogue and snappy banter (ex. Kill you! Does that compute?...Or do i have to draw you a schematic?... Earth, what a shithole...Must be chick thing.) I sincerely hope he doesn't go on to ruin some of my favorite comic book characters in this film, but as typical Hollywood with dollar signs in their eyes and their heads up their asses, will continue to churn out formulaic retro-hip crap by hiring flavor of the month talent. And i wont even go into what i think of some of the casting decisions thus far for this film (Rebecca Romijn friggin' Stamos? Halle Berry? God help us...)
Rogue's powers by mikehalder	Aug 8th, 1999 04:45:55 PM
Based on this scoop, I'm assuming that Rogue won't have the power of flight, invulnerability, and super strength (the powers she got from Ms. Marvel[I think.]). Does anyone know this to be a fact?
x-men can't work unless.......................... ...... by mackalicious	Aug 8th, 1999 05:01:39 PM
you have the budget onpar with that of star wars ep:1.AND if you are using the script that MARLOWE reported than there is no way to do it!!!NOT only would this movie be stupid to hardcore fans of the comic book,BUT also to people that have never heard of it!!!
* * FEAR ATTRACTS THE BUFFY FANBOYS * * by Darth Maui	Aug 8th, 1999 05:01:49 PM
Wow, I was just thinking about how this is the first clean talkback yet, but then BAM! Yes Alien:Resurrection killed my favorite franchise of all time, but from what I understand all Whedon is doing with X-Men is making the character "more likeable." If you've read the comic you'd KNOW that it's packed with pop culture references. But I must say something... ummmm Buffy the best written show on tv??? EXCUSE ME? I haven't been watching much tv lately, but if that statement is true then God save us all! That little short snotty bitch, the closet homosexual Xander, the guy from the Maxwell House commercials, the ugly chick from American Pie, and the worst part of The Spy Who Shagged Me, star in THE BEST SHOW ON TV??? Uhhhh no... I'll take Kevin Williamson and his Dawson's Creek over Joss Whedon's POS any day. At least Katie Holmes is in that one! Halle Berry, Rebecca Romyn-Stamos, and Dougray Scott are 3 players that shouldn't come anywhere near this thing, but unfortunately that's what we have so we'll have to deal with it... and I have confidence that Bryan Singer will make it work. Also what is this shit with Anna Paquin being the second coming of Christ now? Has she done anything other than The Piano? Her performance in that was almost as much of a stretch as MJ's in Space Jam! Another funnything is I'll mention the Romyjn-Stamos factor and they'll say "well she was good in Austin Powers" sure she was... PLAYING HERSELF!!! has she done anything else? I don't think so... All things considered this story still kicks ass and I'm excited about X-Men... as long as it's packed with ass kicking ill be happy, bye :)
Am I the only one who thinks? by Revelare	Aug 8th, 1999 05:49:53 PM
McKellan - McCallum, admit it, they sound alike, and are easy to mix up. :-) But, thanks for the correction. 1) I'm not too worried about Tlyer Mane, or Rebecca Romijn-Stamos - and you shouldn't be either - Why? I highly doubt they will actually have too much dialogue. Or be made to do any more acting than standing around a set, while actual actors say their lines, requires. I see them being about as loquacious as Darth Maul (the one from TPM, not the TalkBacker). They're pretty much just eye candy for drooling fanboys/girls. Dead kid: No, please, do go into your opinions on the casting decisions. And more importantly, let's see if you have some valid opinions on those cast other than the too obvious Mane, Romijn-Stamos, Berry, and Parks choices. Tell us your beef with those who have more lines than a US$45.00-a-day extra 2)Ok, so it is odd Rogue would find Logan in the bar `by chance', but their was no `chance' in Sabretooth finding Logan. It's obvious he was hunting him, and not just out for a sunday stroll, and happened on by Wolvies cabin. `Cyclops and Storm show up and save the day by chance'? Um, was I the only one who read the part that said `Also, it is revealed that both Magneto and Xavier have been watching Logan for some time.' They were `watching him'. This also lends to the `Sabretooth didn't attack him `by chance' part. JebZingo, GhostOfLaneMyers, do you guys actually have something logical to base the `this will suck' opinion on? `I could go into the many things I hate here and might if I didn't have to go throw up' Ok, so, why not tell us after you're done? Or is it you have no real opinion on it like the rest of those who simply say `this will suck' then don't explain - in any detail, no less - exactly why? You don't need TPM's budget if you're not planning on having CGI in every damn scene, as Singer isn't. The script appears to be taking on a more `story over effects' tone, unlike TPM. I'm still waiting for the day when someone can logically, and intelligently explain why they think a movie `will suck' - especially when they have yet to read the damn script, or see any actual footage for the film - but I'm not going to hold my breath, since the odds are I'll be able to clone a dinosaur using duct tape and a walkman first. Oh, and if you're going to come back with `well, I would post my opinion on why the other actors suck, but the story was put in the archives, so it's a waste' excuse, then why not just email it. I would really be eager to hear an intelligent opinion on why this film `will suck', or why the actors - other than the obvious ones who aren't - `will suck'.
but will this movie have heart? by Godai-kun	Aug 8th, 1999 07:36:20 PM
I'm going to try not to bitch as much as the other posters, but I will say that I'm concerned about this movie sucking. I was really disappointed they didn't include Shadowcat in the movie. She was always the heart of the Xmen in the early Claremont years and could have been the character the veiwer could have related to. I'm hoping the movie has someone like this (Storm would be our only hope, it seems.) The other thing that worries me is the number of villians. Does anyone believe that Magneto isn't interesting enough to carry the movie alone? His feud with Xavier is what will fuel this movie. He can make buildings crumble (for starters). Sure Mystique and Sabretooth will be great visuals, but I shudder to think how they tie into Magneto's plans. Sorry, I guess I just have flashbacks of "Batman and Robin" and how they tried to tie the origins of Poison Ivy and Mr. Freeze together. Look, whether it's good or bad, all this movie has to do is A) make enough money to warrant a sequel and B) set up the characters for sequels. Then we'll get down to the Dark Phonix Sagas, the Mutant Massacres, Infernos, and Fatal Attractions we've all been waiting for... Btw, the flashbacks described here sound great (especially Magneto's) and I love the thought of Logan watching Designing Women. It's the "Wolverine will figure prominently in the plans Magneto and Xavier" or whatever that worries me. PLEASE don't change his origin too much!! Can't fairly judge though till someone gets ahold of the next 58 pages.
Got a little scoop on page 59!!! by GhostofLaneMyers	Aug 8th, 1999 07:46:50 PM
Here's what happens on page 59! EVERYONE CONTINUES TO SUCK FUCKING ASS!! Fade out. THIS FLICK IS DOOMED, DOOMED I FUCKING TELL YOU!!!!!
Oh and Ryalto? by GhostofLaneMyers	Aug 8th, 1999 07:49:47 PM
I have a monster cock. Suck it.
This is gonna suck. Lemme tell ya why... by Kefka'sEsper	Aug 8th, 1999 08:38:49 PM
First of all, lemme say I haven't watched one episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I have been reading X-Men for quite some time now and I'm pretty familiar with t eh material. Now, this film will not work because a.) Pacing: this reeks of Episode 1. b.) Wolverine: Yeah, he's a part of what makes X-Men popular, but he's NOT an influential factor. That line about tying a machine built by Toad into Wolverine is not a good sign. c.) Wolverine, again: His healing factor doesn't work that fast. Wouldn't it be neater to show that, minutes, not seconds, after the fight with Sabretooth, Rogue is amazed that his scar is gone? d.) NO comic relief: The comic book X-Men could relax, kick back and enjoy their "family" after a hard day of fighting injustice. Members like Ice-Man and Beast provided the quips. With them gone, this looks like a pretty dark movie. X-Men should be serious, yes, but it shouldn't be dark. And no, I did not like Batman and Robin. This team NEEDS The Beast. e.) The actors: C'mon, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos?! Fresh off of Austin Powers... Also, personally I don't think Halle Barry can pull of Storm. They should have filled this role with a no-name (if they wrote her right). I'm a HUGE X-Men fan, and, like the rest of you, I want this to work. But I don't know... Hey, if you ask me, they should adapt Christopher Golden's first two Mutant Empire books, tweaking were neccessary. Really, this is te modern X-Men in top form.
100 & 1 jerkoffs by saurion	Aug 8th, 1999 09:24:27 PM
I value the opinion of other people, no sarcasm. But to TheGhostofLaneMyers ancient Chinese proverb say 'Man with bragging mouth oft have little wang' read *Leave now you $#@&$^%#^$%#&&(((%&@%@#^$&$#%$ #$^&%^%@@@#$%$((#%$ with a frog.' Love the script 'cept for the thing about Logan's rv. A friggin senior citizen transport, no offense. This is the guy two RCMP officers found butt-naked in the middle of the Yukon snacking on a trout he caught with his claws. What does a mountain man need with an all-to modern convinence.Make it a beatup old truck w\ camper, he sniffs and turns opening the partion window and finds her hiding under his stuff.
Where the fuck is Gambit? by Craig Kilborn	Aug 8th, 1999 10:08:45 PM
How can you make an x-men movie without Gambit. Gambit is a bad motherfucker. The movie is gonna be weak without him. The casting is all wrong. Mckellan is way too old and the rest of the cast excluding stewart is far too young. Kilby Speaks! Out
The Age of Heroes begins by Weldt	Aug 9th, 1999 01:30:05 AM
Ive always enjoyed the X-Men. Bryan Singer doesn't seem to be too bad either. He seems like a pretty good director from the work I've seen, but Im not so comfortable with this "Buffy" guy. Im trying to be open-minded unlike some other SOBS who litter this site with the thought process of a retard. I began to realize how much ass this movie is going to kick when I heard that Park was recruited. My thoughts were that there was no possible way this movie wouldnt rock. Unfortunately hearing that the writer of Alien Ressurection was on board didnt fit my bill. Except I must remember one thing: the friggin' movie hasnt even been fully written yet, let alone produced; none of us really have jackshit to assess this movie. But from most of what we've heard,it does seem to be headed in a good direction unlike the sorry garbage Shummacher has been trying to feed us. We should all just be content with the idea that the silver screen may soon be revisited by the magic that enabled a man to fly. Its been awhile. Oh, and Ghost of Myers: assume the position bitch.
BC Alberta? SHUT UP! by angry	Aug 9th, 1999 01:41:08 AM
Godammit, I really find it incredible how little Americans are taught about other countries. America needs a new school curriculum and FAST. There is no such thing as BC, Alberta. Stupid ass Joss Whedan should maybe take a look at a fucking map maybe. Although, at least he got one city right... GO EDMONTON! YEAH! (obviously I originate from Edmonton, and this is the FIRST time I've ever seen the city mentioned in a movie!) YAY! GO EDMONTON! WOOOOOOO!
mystique... by assmonkey	Aug 9th, 1999 02:12:21 AM
Hasn't it occurred to anyone that Rebecca won't actually have to do too much acting as she'll be turning into other people all the time
It's better off not getting made. by The Bagman	Aug 9th, 1999 03:29:48 AM
Take a good, solid look at the cast. Then, think of Bryan Singer's sex preference. Now, isn't it a LITTLE bit screwey that not only is the cast filled with gay men, but gay men in these really cool costumes? Someone earlier mentioned that they hoped it wasn't "Schumacher-ed" but, alas, I fear it will. And Bryan Singer will shoot the whole film in scope and in close-up, just like APT PUPIL. X-Men is the type of movie, like Mystery Men, that won't garner a good, solid B.O. weekend without a star. (name me ONE STAR in the movie -- and if any of you dare say Sir Ian, I defy to you introduce me to 50 people in Kansas who know who he is -- or better yet, name a film of his that broke 10 million domestically, in which he was the star) And "X-Men" as a Marvel Comic and Trademark, is not strong enough a "brand" to pull in solid weekend numbers -- to which this film needs to survive. You'd be better off making, "Yahoo" or "Amazon.Com" the movie -- they have better branding. Why can't Lauren-Shuler's hubby take a stab at directing? Sure, the last two WEAPONS were a mess, but pick up the Cinemafantastique issues about him and his notorious fights on SUPERMAN. Donner was DEAD ON on EVERY SINGLE POINT. Superman was not only an instant classic, it happens to be the best film ever made from a comic book. I think the biggest problem with projects like these are the egos flying around. I've read about the fights at Fox between the execs and Bryan and Lauren. You have Ed Solomon's draft, then Bryan gets attached and asks Chris McQuarrie to do a draft, then Bryan decides to write the script himself (I saw a draft available on the streets that had Bryan Singer and Tom DeSanto's name credited on it) and now Joss Whedon? What's going on with this? Fox spends so much of their money constantly re-writing the script because of what? Because they have a deadline to make? Because everyone is pay or play? Because Bryan's notorious temper is acting up and people can't deal with his B.S.? What exactly is the hurry all about? It's not like the film is booked in theatres and the studio HAS to make a date. Just take the time and do it right. Why don't they offer up the script to USC or NYU screenwriting students and tell 'em it's a contest. "Best script gets 500K" I promise you you'll get some magic. Or better yet? George Gallo or Daniel Waters.
by Disappearer	Aug 9th, 1999 04:11:33 AM
You guys need to either shut up or come up with something constuctive to say. How can so many of you be down on this movie? What is your problem? I mean, that was only somebody's synopsis of the first 58 pages up there, not the actual script. And if you scoot over to www.backstage-pass.com and read the script pages there - especially the scene where Logan and Cyclops face off - well, if your not excited about that then this movie is not for you. All these people bitching about how Gambit or Iceman or whoever aren't in the team, or how the characters should be introduced exactly as they were in the comics - get your heads out of your asses!! What, are you expecting a 10 hour movie rammed with loads of pointless exposition? It kind of depresses me all this negativity - I been reading X-Men comics for about 15 years and have always imagined a movie version of it. As soon as one gets announced, all these so called "fans" can't wait to start sticking the boot in. (BTW - this diatribe isn't directed at any of you folk who had something positive to say. Respect to you guys.) Anyway, HERE'S YOUR SCOOP.......I had a chance a couple of months back to briefly speak to Sir Ian McKellen. Of course we spoke about the role he had recently signed on for - Magneto - and he basically said that a lot of X-Men fans will expect it to be exactly like the comic, but it won't be. So there you go. Expect a damn good movie based on a comic book - and quit saying it's going to be shit a year before its release!!!
Grow up, the Bagman by assmonkey	Aug 9th, 1999 06:18:25 AM
The cast is full of gay men? Does Sir Ian play everyone then? If Bryan was really having gay dudes as everyone then he would have had Rupaul as Storm (and not a female ex beauty queen) and he wouldn't have had that swimwear model chick as mystique for all the breeder guys to drool at. I agree with the rest of your comments though.
Joss' involvement... by Tom Lee	Aug 9th, 1999 07:54:41 AM
Guys, lighten up. Anyone who says they'd take Dawson's Creek over Buffy obviously has not watched much of either show. Until you actually pay attention to it, you're on very shaky ground. Critical praise and a loyal fanbase have got to lend some credence to those of us who trust joss. I'll admit, alien resurrection was not his best work. But I think Toy Story more than makes up for that -- I think trying to follow in the movie-as-metaphor-for-societal -issue idea from alien 3 just sucked him in a little too much on the alien movie. Anyway... he writes well. Try watching buffy before you shoot him down. I'm looking forward to this flic.
Add Famke Janseen to the cast. by Max Frost	Aug 9th, 1999 08:25:11 AM

grow up guys by Havok2000	Aug 9th, 1999 10:23:37 AM
First off, this "movie" should have been envisioned as a trilogy in the first place to do justice to the greatest superhero comic ever written. The source material should be treated with the same respect accorded the Superman legend in the first, beautiful Superman movie. I.e. - No Rogue meeting Logan in a bar. No Cyke and Storm saving Logan from Sabretooth. (Why couldn't they get Russell Crowe to do this role -- isn't Dougraywhoever some soap opera prettyboy?) And what, is the movie NOT going to make enough money to jusify two sequels? Absurd. First movie should be the OLD X-Men, summoned by Xavier, starting with the mystery of WHY THEY'VE BEEN CALLED and we go through their training with them - the Danger Room, regular H.S. classes, then out to fight Magneto. Remember, originally, Professor X did not want them out in the world fighting evil mutants until they were OLDER. But, necessity (Magneto) forced them out of the nest too soon. The first movie should end with someone from the old team questioning what the future holds for the X-Men. Then you cut to a vast Canadian tundra. A few good ole boys at an isolated bar-gas stop want to take on Logan but he (for once) demurs rather than fight (and most likely kill) all of them. The tough Canucks follow him outside, bouncing empty Labatt's cans off his Stetson. The boys are really calling him out until - suddenly, Logan spins, claws extended, and leaps at them - He's really leaping behind them, where, out of nowhere - a grizzy bear is ready to attack. The good ole boys can only watch in mute horror as Logan and the bear go at each other in a rage of wild fury, cutting each other top to bottom til the snow all around is covered with blood. Eventually, the bear, woozy from lack of blood, goes down and dies. Logan kneels next to it, spent, sorry to have killed something so noble, sorry that his own animal side is clearly so close to the surface after all the "conditioning" given him by the Canadian govt. "Three years on the couch," he says to no one at all, "Gone through in less than a second." The good old boys back away, they were not ready from this freaky shit. Wolverine looks across the tundra - where will he go now? (we know the answer) 2nd movie should be the formation of the new team around Wolverine to save the old team heroes. Third movie is the consummation of the love of Jean and Scott, the incredible Dark Phoenix saga and the birth of their son, the harbinger of a new generation. IF THIS FILM IS NOT BASICALLY DESIGNED LIKE THIS, WITH THIS MUCH CARE, CONCERN AND LOVE, it will be another stinking movie made for money, like the stinking Avengers, and like all stinking movies made for money, it will die a horrible death, merely a 100 million dollar kitsch remnant, the world's most expensive fuzzy dice. Penultimate thought - To the guy who likes Mister Sinister. Mister Sinister is not a villain. Mister Sinister is a one hit wonder Eighties band. Remember, with the singer with the skinny tie with the piano keys on it who banged your sister then left town. All those villains named Evillo or Sinestro or even, yes, the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, most but not all of whom were created in the Sixties when comic book guys dropped a hell of a lot of acid, must be ignored. They are an embarassment. Finally - guys, you must know spouting homophobic vitriole from behind the safety of your online handle makes you frightened weasals, even by online geek standards, so please either 1) Get together and fight (no slap fights ) and report back to us on how it went 2) WITTILY dissect each other or 3) Shut the fuck up and keep your own bad karma in your own selfish souls. Thanks
If Whedon doesn't work out bring in Smith. Then leave it the hel by StoneMonkey	Aug 9th, 1999 10:53:52 AM
This is almost starting to give a feeling of Deja Vu 'ala' SUPERMAN The MOVIE or....excuse me for bringing it up..THE FLINTSTONES Movie. How many writers are we going to have before this filmis turned to shit. Personally, this is what I think they should do: - Make sure the characters names coincide with the comic versions, or you'll have many fanboys up in arms. - Leave the DANGER ROOM sequence in the script. - DO NOT have the main villain(s) fall to their deaths. IT'S TIRED. BEEN DONE TO DEATH. Get original already. - Make sure the costumes resemble the comics versions without them looking cheesy. THINK BATMAN or Masters of the Universe. - Don't cheese it up with pop culture referances. - and finally.... DO NOT LET JOHN PETERS NEAR IT. Sun Wu Kung, the Monkey King says so!
There's something that no one has mentioned. by Call me....Roy	Aug 9th, 1999 11:37:17 AM
Has anyone bothered to remember a very crucial, improtant thing about comics to film? (As loathe as I am to follow King of the Ninnys in saying this, yes, I mean you Lane.) THEY SUCK! There has never been a decent comic adaption made ever and I'll tell you why. Comic films remove the characters from their natural universe and inject them into the world that we inhabit, which by default conflicts with everything about the character and his story. "Batman", "Superman", "Blade" (God, that movie was awful.) "Spawn", you name it I hate it. Then the ones that try to recreate the world of comics on film fall flat on their faces because they are stupid, and ridiculously designed to look like a moving comic. (I think "Mystery Men" would be the exception to this argument.) The other thing that makes me hate comic flicks as much as I do is the 'liberties' taken with the characters. I think that when you come to love a character enough to continue to read about him for years and years and years and years, there is a certain unspoken law that any change made to him isn't artistic, it's simply wrong. Why is it so hard to simply write a character the way he was originally written? Comics to film fail because of their definition. COMICS-TO-FILM. The problem is there has never been a COMIC translated correctly to FILM. There's always been discrepancies and glaring omissions and I know they're two different forms of media, but this lies with the screenwriters who seem to think they should pack EVERYTHING into a comic film. The main bad guy should always be killed off. The costume should always be better than the comic, the fight scenes should escalate throughout the film until everything has to end in a great big explosion. Comic flix fail because they're all the same. They all take the same liberties, they all follow the same basic plot, they never try to do anything that would endear them to anyone. I like the script sypnopsis I read, but already I can see things I hate. Rogue did NOT kill whoever she touched! She absorbed their memories and knocked them unconcious. Magento's name is MAGNUS not, Max. AND THERE HAS TO BE A DANGER ROOM SEQUENCE!! The X-Men without the Danger Room is like Superman without the cape and Batman without the cave. And making their costumes look like crap out of "The Matrix"? It reeks of the kind of hack ass creativity that should get every hack ass costume designer fired. What is so wrong with a LOYAL and COMPLETE version of the characters I spent all those rainy days in a bean bag chair, drinking gallons of strawberry flavored milk and eating Captain Crunch with? First off, Wolverine is cool as Hell, I'm in total agreement there, but he doesn't belong here. It should be Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Beast and Angel. It should take place in the sixties and it should remain faithful, box office grosses be damned. Of course that will never happen, as everyone keeps reminding me that movies are a business and fuck all. I read the talk back and it seems that that everyone is just pleased as Hell to have a version that "Tries" or "At least" or "Hopefully" will bring that movie that we've all imagined to the screen. That's bullshit. As far as I'm concerned and this will remain my opinion forever, it's all or nothing.
havok 200s comments by michelle21	Aug 9th, 1999 02:08:30 PM
WOW. now here's someone who gets it. The movie should be designed so that the sequels will be the next logical step in the story. Instead, this script seems to be an attempt to cram the entire claremont run on the x-men into one movie. I will admit that the opening scenes describing how the characters' powers first manifest themselves seem very interesting. I really can't say if this movie will be good or not and it's not my place to make these predictions without any real evidence to base them on. I trust Singer as a director. Hopefully, he'll make a good movie from this. maybe it isn't exactly like the comics, but that can be a good thing. a few surprises for the fans could be very cool.
havok 2000s comments by michelle21	Aug 9th, 1999 02:08:41 PM
WOW. now here's someone who gets it. The movie should be designed so that the sequels will be the next logical step in the story. Instead, this script seems to be an attempt to cram the entire claremont run on the x-men into one movie. I will admit that the opening scenes describing how the characters' powers first manifest themselves seem very interesting. I really can't say if this movie will be good or not and it's not my place to make these predictions without any real evidence to base them on. I trust Singer as a director. Hopefully, he'll make a good movie from this. maybe it isn't exactly like the comics, but that can be a good thing. a few surprises for the fans could be very cool.
I admire the enthusiasm, but will some of you just calm the FUCK by limbo	Aug 9th, 1999 02:08:45 PM

Oh, and my comments by limbo	Aug 9th, 1999 02:17:00 PM
Thank you, SSZero, Havok2000, and Revelare, for stating opinions I completely agree with. I've been an X-Men fan for 15 years (I despise everything but Mutant X now, but still read the main X books), and I basically think every comic-book movie but Superman, Superman II, and Rocketeer has been utterly subpar...and usually fucking terrible! (OK, the first Batman wasn't bad--but damn, it could have been so much more.) But I'm optimistic about this one! That script summary--IF ACCURATE--sounds awesome. Patrick and Ian and Anna Paquin--we're talking about good actors, not the typical comic-movie crapsters. And Buffy is an amazingly written show: I didn't watch it till the current season because I couldn't get past the stupid premise, but once I watched--I WATCHED. It's great stuff, and this movie might just rock. I really hope it does.
Bruce Baum by Bruce_Baum	Aug 9th, 1999 02:17:07 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but I personally think that Bruce Baum would make a fine Wolverine -- especially if the report about "form fitting clothes" is true.
B.C. Alberta? by acaana	Aug 9th, 1999 02:26:08 PM
I'm sorry, but that's just plain ignorant. And if you think I'm being nit-picky, just how ticked would all you Yanks be if I said Harry was from Texas, Arizona? Or if I scooped that a movie takes place in New York, North Carolina? You'd all wig-out (thanks Iron Giant!) and my credibility would be heavily questioned. So what about this scoop? Is it really called B.C. Alberta in the script, or is this just a blunder from our scooper here? I sincerely hope it's the latter. Oh, and the "log-cabin bar" idea (even IF the scene takes place in the Rockies) is a pretty stupid one too. "Ooo, he's Canadian, right? How 'bout an IGLOO bar? Oh, and Logan can be accosted by some Dudley-Do-Right Mounties!" Jon Peters? Is that you?
Here we go again by lalapoo	Aug 9th, 1999 02:53:17 PM
Like all comic book stories made into movies, we have to start with how the heros came to be...why?!! We all know how the X-MEN came together, who cares, just open the movie with them kicking some ass, show lots of WOLVERINE of course, establish and begin to develope some wild ass scenario and let the story play out. I don't want to see STORM discover her powers, I don't to see CYCLOP in school realizig his eyes shoot laser beams. Just fucking throw the fucking characters into a story and let's progress, move forward. Move forward!!! I hate stepping backwards just because it's the first movie, why does fucking Hollywood think we have to do that? It's boring! Crap!
Here we go again by lalapoo	Aug 9th, 1999 02:54:38 PM
Like all comic book stories made into movies, we have to start with how the heros came to be...why?!! We all know how the X-MEN came together, who cares, just open the movie with them kicking some ass, show lots of WOLVERINE of course, establish and begin to develope some wild ass scenario and let the story play out. I don't want to see STORM discover her powers, I don't to see CYCLOP in school realizig his eyes shoot laser beams. Just fucking throw the fucking characters into a story and let's progress, move forward. Move forward!!! I hate stepping backwards just because it's the first movie, why does fucking Hollywood think we have to do that? It's boring! Crap!
`I never did mind the little things' by Revelare	Aug 9th, 1999 03:38:49 PM
I happened to like `Superman'. I thought the film was extremely good, and made you believe in him as a person before making you believe a man could fly. Over 20 minutes of young Clark Kent development. His obvious affections towards one cheerleader, and his annoyance at one bully. His overzealousness to use his powers and show off what he could do, only to be followed by the death of his adopted father Jonathan. This defining scene shows him at his weakest moment. Showing those who follow the comics that he could be hurt, even without the aid of Kryptonite. And showing the audience that this was a real person. One with emotions. That scene - of Pa collapsing - was also his `awakening'. The very moment when he realized that, even with all of his powers, he couldn't save his father. And he decided to only use his abilities to help, and not show off. He grew out of being a typical teenager, and became a `hero'. If you hated it, then that is your opinion, and I respect that. But you can't say it wasn't a great adaption of the character. It showed more in those first 20-30 minutes in young Clark's life than the comics showed in 100 issues. It succinctly captured the essence of a `hero', because if a `hero' doesn't care, than what good is he? You also forgot to mention that the comics also have several thousand issues of characterization, therefore certain liberties MUST be taken, and certain elements MUST be left out. The only reason those characters do live in a vast universe of other characters is because one was created over time. When they were first created, they existed in their lone universes. Then Batman came, and became part of the universe, and so did others. Building it up over time. Are you going to say that those few years when Superman was a lone hero in a universe he `sucked' because it was just him? Having the characters remain in a lone universe, seperated from each other in film, does NOT conflict with who they are, it only conflicts with whom they interact with. Meaning, no huge crossover scenes with 5 different heroes helping the protagonist. IMHO, I would prefer they kept each character in there own universes when bringing them to film. There would be too many complications, and never come out right. Remember, they're adapting `Superman', not `The DC universe'. They're adapting `X-men', and not `The marvel universe'. And wanting the characters to be written as they originally were, does this mean you would want Batman to grab a gun, and shoot the Joker? Because when Batman first came out, he gunned down criminals with regularity, and yes, he even used a gun. No, I wouldn't want this, but I would want one that explained why he doesn't kill, or even pick up a gun, yet knows how to dismantle one with a single finger. I would like to see Batman as he is represented in comics now: As the greatest detective alive. Not as a vigilante dressed as a bat. I would want them to explain how he chose the image of a bat as his costume, and what it symbolizes. And without the cave, Batman would still be Batman. He doesn't need it, he just has it. Superman would still be Superman, he just wouldn't have a cape. The X-men dont need the Dangerroom, they just use it. It holds about as much significance as the holodeck on `Star Trek: TNG'. It's a crutch to further issues (episodes), and show the characters in specific environments that they create, reflecting their personality, or background. In the film (and this is a guess), the dangerroom signifies something. It first shows you how they are chaotic as a team, being new to the `working together' aspect of it. Then, over the course of the film, they begin to become more insync. Performing as one. Reading each other. This is a recurring theme in films (comics as well) involving teams. The fact that you would think less of these characters without these items shows how little you respect them as characters, and only as american icons. True, most - if not all - of them do tend to follow the same basic plot, and it would be nice to see some more originality in the films. I would also like to see thier costumes remain faithful to the comics, with small liberties taken to make them more realistic ... because, well, only certain things work for comics costumes. Like, lose the 40 pouches on Cyclops' belt because I have yet to see an explaination for them. And about Magnus: Sure, his name is that in comics NOW, but as a previous TalkBack poster stated, his name has undergone several changes over the years, and even Erik Magnus Lenscher may not be his real name. On a serious note, do you actually read these comics, or just the ones from the past few years since you've found out they're turning it into a film? Rogue DID kill her boyfriend in the comics, which is why she was wanted by police for a time until turning up in Xaviers back yard. The described scene is pretty much how it went, she kissed him just as her powers manifest, and she accidentily killed him. Fearing arrest, she ran. But he did die. Admit it, if you were told that Wolverine wasn't going to be in the film, and it WAS going to have the original team, would you be here lamenting about Wolverine not being in the film? Many would. They don't want Wolverine in the film, but would be demanding him in it if he weren't. Face it, there will never be a %100 true adaption of a comic. This is why it's called an `adaption', so certain liberties can be taken. And there never be a %100 true film a fanboy will like. There will always be flaws.
may I also say....B.C. Alberta???????????? by Eric Draven	Aug 9th, 1999 04:44:52 PM
I live in Alberta....there is no place called B.C....there is a provence called B.C. What it should be (because I heard they were gonna film Wolvie's home scenes there) is Banff, Alberta....which would be awesome. I cant wait for this movie, man! I just sincerely hope i dont see nipples on any rubber suits in this movie! shame on you Mr. Shumacher........or how ever u spell it.
Jar-Jar Sucks! Jar-Jar will ruin it! by sschritz	Aug 9th, 1999 06:19:37 PM
Jar-Jar's going to ruin the whole movie! Jar-Jar's...what, you like Jar-Jar? Okay, I guess I'll have to take another tack. Folks, comic books are as shape-shifting as the T-1000, and may change their appearance and even the character's history often through the years in different fads and "parallel universes" and whatnot. Changing the story around a touch to make it work on film is no biggie. The important thing is to portray the characters beautifully, to show them not as mindless robots fighting other mindless robots, but very human people who are endowed with special powers. Humans who love and hate, dream and despair, succeed and fail, rise to idealism and fall to cynicism. Humans who are...human. Heroes in the tradition of The Dirty Dozen, Jaws, Armageddon. Heroes that you'll work with, listen to their stories, feel their fear and bravery, laugh and cry with. And the Enemies, pure evil enemies don't really work...we can't identify with them, don't believe they exist. Magneto believes in what he does, because he wants to help those of his own kind, in his own way. That's a very noble motivation, and we can almost believe he's the one in the right. If this is the movie they make (and from what I've seen I think it will be), then this will be something worth watching.
Adamantium, indestructable, how bout incoceivable by solanki17	Aug 9th, 1999 06:20:22 PM
looks like the x-men flick has good characterization all round except for one guy, LOgan, would'nt it have been nice to know how is adamantium appeared, and alpha fliight, and all that?
Who's to say? by Revelare	Aug 9th, 1999 07:45:40 PM
This was just Logan's introduction to the audience, they may have him describe how he acquired his adamantium through an emotional flashback to Jean, to gain simpathy and win her affections. Just a thought. This was just 58 pages of a re-write that was submitted as a basis for what he may do. There is still the possibility that it may change somewhat.
what's the big deal? by Langille	Aug 9th, 1999 07:55:09 PM
I just want to say one thing about all those people who gripe and complain about this movie and how they think it's going to suck. People, get over it. I, myself, have read the X-men comics for a long time, and if they do make a bad conversion of the title to the big screen, who fucking cares. I will go see it at the theater, even if one of my friends say it blows, just to see the characters live and breath. remember the generation-X t.v. movie? it blew. I was just happy to see any X-team on screen other than the cartoon. Remember, you have a choice in the matter: if you don't want to see if they did a bad job, don't go to see it and don't rent it when it comes out on video. I still haven't seen TITANIC and never will.
Cyclops... by Wolverines dad	Aug 9th, 1999 09:00:30 PM
Am I misreading the part about the introduction of cyclops? It says somethingh like his powers appear at his "high school reunion (1978)". Huh? Wouldn't that mean that he's like 40? If he graduated in 1978, he'd have born in 1960. If I am reading this wrong, could someone explain this to me?
to the faggots who expect the worst by ali	Aug 9th, 1999 09:04:14 PM
O.K. all of the fuckers who say this is gonna suck ... pull that dildo out of your ass, get your fat D.C. loving ass up, do some sit ups, wipe the cum of of the screen from last night, and get a life you bunch of role playing Urkels. Halle Berry will rock, and so will this movie. If you dont like what you read then dont go see the movie stupid fuckers. And Buffy rocks she didnt win an emmy for nothing nor did Anna Paquin win an oscar. P.S. lose weight you chubby fingered bastards.
Jean will be played buy ............................... by ali	Aug 9th, 1999 09:14:02 PM
Just read that Jean Grey will be played by Famke Janssen.
Schumacher? Please... by askani1407	Aug 9th, 1999 11:42:51 PM
This is coming from a 27-year old fanboy that personally thinks that just beacause Joel Schumacher screwed up one movie, doesn't mean that every comic-based film to follow should be pre-judged as crap. Have you guys ever bothered to watch "Usual Suspects"? My guess is that most of you haven't. Give Singer a chance...he WILL impress you - I can almost guarantee it...
USA vs Canada by kool-aid	Aug 10th, 1999 10:38:36 AM
Who really cares? So what if someone thinks there country is good? As long as he doesn't try to nuke all other countries, it really doesn't matter. There are alot of f-uped thing with both countries. Maybe everyone needs to just chill and move on because bitchin back and forth over the internet is quite childish, IMHO. Peace out Kool-aid "The Man everyone loves"
Mr. Sinister! by clonejob	Aug 10th, 1999 11:12:56 AM
Hey, if this movie does good, well, then they need to bring in Mr. Sinister for X-men 2! I always watched to cartoon ( it was my favorite ) and Mr. Sinister was always the coolest! Sure, Magneto had all his gripes about the world, but mr sinister just wanted to kick the xmen's ass...hey, i wouldnt blame him, cyclops did get annoying after awile. Anyways, not saying i read the comic books every week, but i do like xmen and having mr. s and apacolypse would be AWESOME!
Not Optimistic by moviet00l	Aug 10th, 1999 12:59:44 PM
As much as I would love to believe that this is going to be a good movie, I'm not optimistic. Rouge just happens to stumble into Logan? Sabertooth comes out of nowhere? Sounds like the kind of writing where "cool scenes" are tacked up on a cork board and a script is written around them. See Wild Wild West, see Batman and Robin, etc., etc. Plus, I maintain that no superhero movie will work if it is set in a world where the people aren't used to seeing costumed super-dudes flying around on a regular basis. Despite the considerable talent at the helm, I think we're looking at another piece of over-written, under characterized, studio nonsense. Here's hoping I'm wrong
Think, people by cuttr	Aug 10th, 1999 01:33:42 PM
There's been a lot of talk about how Rogue "just happens" to run into Logan at the bar and Logan and Sabertooth "just happen" to meet in the woods. Doesn't anyone realize that the review was a short synopsis of 58 pages of script? It's fairly obvious Marlowe was just hitting some of the high points and character intro's. If he had described every scene, you'd be complaining he gave too much away! Sheesh.
Guess I AM the only one who actually reads by Revelare	Aug 10th, 1999 02:00:32 PM
As I said before, `remember when it reads "Also, it appears that Magneto and Xavier are watching Logan"'? `Watching him'. That means that Sabretooth KNEW he would be there. Obviously, since Sabretooth is a henchmen for Magneto. Say it with me now `Sabretooth does not `just happen' upon Logan'. Read the reviews, don't just browse them. `Watching him'. They were `watching him'. Now Rogue, ok, that's dumb, but Sabretooth was `watching him'.
"what were you looking for?"... "hope." by Agent Sharpe	Aug 10th, 1999 02:41:24 PM
and that
Silly question (Ray Park) by mbeemer	Aug 10th, 1999 03:02:09 PM
The comments above include "Toad has no lines thus re-enforcing the notion that the part will be played by Ray Park." So, why shouldn't a character played by Ray Park speak? If I'm not mistaken, I saw him interviewed in a TPM special and he seemed fully articulate. What am I missing here?
I'm not excited about X-MEN now by emf316	Aug 10th, 1999 05:29:51 PM
I knew they would destroy this movie. If this is the draft they are using as a basis, Joss Whedon has a lot of work ahead of him. And don't everyone count on Whedon to come in and save the day. Remember, the guy did do script doctoring for WATERWORLD and wrote the worst ALIEN film in the series, ALIEN RESURRECTION. I still maintain my position that they should have used the original X-Men and focused on the debate between Magneto and Xavier. But nooooo. FOX and Richard Donner need to sell action figures and Happy Meals. Face it, children of the atom, THE X-MEN will not be a good movie.
X-men by Wolvie2000	Aug 10th, 1999 06:45:29 PM
I've read some of the script and read all these little things floating around about it.... I'm actually quite proud of what they have done with it... It looks like it has a basic story line..... think of it as a long version of the cartoon yeah sure the acting may be crap but we have some big name actors but then again so did batman and robin go figure however wiether this movie or doesnt make it.... it'll still be worth a watch cause you never know... so don't dismiss it on the fact it's a comic book/movie think get over it and look at superman...... and 2 final points..... they better have good music in there ;) grin and well josh whendon mmmm what a great writer he did the best episodes of buffy... i always watch buffy however i've really enjoyed the ones he has written....
Rogue by Wolverines dad	Aug 10th, 1999 09:54:42 PM
I was thinking, I bet the Rogue may be called Rogue, but I think the character will be more Kitty Pryde. Without her stolen powers, rogue has very defencive powers, like shadowcat. Also, Anna Paquin seems strange for rogue, but seems dead on for shadowcat (IMO).
xmen by h8tno1	Aug 11th, 1999 10:59:08 AM
The X-men script sounds cool so-far. I've been so out of what's going on that I don't know the casting. Someone said Rebecca Romijyra..whatever was cast. Please say that isn't so. At one time I heard Julianne Moore. Could someone please email me with the definitve cast list for Xmen at ccw90@hotmail.com Many thanks, carey
Thanks to SSZero by Havok2000	Aug 11th, 1999 12:53:56 PM
That Wolverine scene was inspired by dozens of scenes written by Chris Claremont and drawn by John Byrne, Dave Cockrum and Terry Austin from 1975 through the early Eighties. It would be great if these filmmakers would just take some of those scenes and realize them without destroying them. But I have little faith that this will or could happen. The X-Men is one of the few (superhero-based) comic books one can critique as serious literature i.e. "Maus" or the work of R. Crumb. I'm a screenwriter in LA, who hoped I might be in a place to pitch an X-Men film by the time one would be made. Twas not to be. But I would like to see the movies treated like literature and like the greatest of popular myth, more like "The Natural" than "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" - and that means treated with respect. That means revealing the characters slowly, befitting the myths they are. Deal with them as people. Get real perfomances out of them. Remember Chris Reeve in "Superman" marveling that, for all his God-like power, he wasn't able to save his father --- real emotion. Reveal the visuals - claws, visors - deftly and subtly - don't show everything up front. Let it filter out. Let the audience discover them. Learn from the success of "The Matrix" and "The Blair Witch Project". A million energy beams flying this way and that way across the screen of "Starship Troopers" or "Wild Wild West" don't equal one millionth of the (technically) primitive but splendid effect of Obi Wan's light saber igniting when he encounters Vader in the hallway in "Star Wars". That's the way to go. You can easily have a movie that makes "Star Wars" money that will also be worth a dozen viewings over a lifetime. Dramatically, the story of the X-Men has it all - first love, an oppressed minority, conflicting philosophical stances about war and government, under-trained kids forced to act like adults, to act like a team. It is a first among equals. You couldn't want for a better skeleton to build your story on. But I fear what will happen to it. I would have loved to have a chance to protect this film and this franchise. But once the first movie is done, the franchise will be committed and very likely doomed. It is a great, GREAT shame. Thanks for the response! Tom
The X-Men Movie...Thanks to Joss Whedon..Will SUCK! by NeoGecko	Aug 12th, 1999 09:55:27 AM
Okay. Sue me if I sound a little bitter, but this hack deserves nothing less than to have his hands cut off. He calls himself a writer, yet in almost every episode of that "show" he writes has storylines stolen from all over the place! He steals from many things, but anime is the most obvious source for his "talent". Some call it inspiration, I call it theft. His storylines are see-through, his characters are nauseating, and his dialouge is disgustingly "Gap" material! Now he wants to write a movie about my childhood heroes? I can already tell that this movie is going to suck, and suck hard, fail and fail miserably. Good characters and a good background..all ruined by that "man". Phfah!
Finally a little intelligence!!!!!! by TheRant	Aug 12th, 1999 12:05:35 PM
So far the re-write of the script seems pretty good. It's not quite the X-men as we recognize them but it makes a good introduction for those who haven't been following the comic for oh so many years. Now if we can only get the idiots in the movie studios to do it. They should take a look at the pile of action/comic-book movies that have come out in the last few years and try to learn a lesson. The last two Batman movies, the Avengers, the Wild Wild West ... etc. Silly plotlines with very little intelligence in them and almost no characterization. They almost make me think that the studi execs themselves wrote them. Come on guys let the creative people handle it for a change.
NeoGecko's rant by cuttr	Aug 13th, 1999 05:12:52 AM
First, Whedon has written or co-written less than 30% of the Buffy episodes so far (albeit most of the best ones). Second, as the writer of the script he doesn't have the final say about what ends up on screen. Third, while some individual episodes of Buffy are predictable, the overall story arcs are not. The characters make a lot of hard choices, and are sometimes put into positions where they're not very likeable. To watch the show and only complain about the "Gap" dialog is to completely and utterly miss most of what's going on. And as far as stealing from Anime, you've got to be kidding. Anime itself has been recycling the same Apocolyptic storylines over and over for decades. It's some of the mosy un-original entertainment to be found anywhere. (I have a friend who spent $3,000 on the Ranma 1/2 Laserdisk boxed set from Japan, no subtitles. When I asked him how he could watch it without an English translation of some sort, he said it really doesn't matter because the same basic storyline repeats over and over anyway. And this from a fan willing to spend 3g's.) And what's the deal with the tentacles? Why do the Japanese have such a thing for tentacles? It's a little creepy. Finally, to completely judge the entire movie based on the synopsis of the first 58 pages, with essentially no dialog and only the barest bones of the actual storyline, is shortsighted and shows an extreme prejudice toward the writer, director and the actors. Seems you didn't learn much from your "childhood Heroes"
Is there no end to this man's sins? by NeoGecko	Aug 14th, 1999 10:58:19 AM
Man-o-man, Whedon is up to his neck in failures. I had no idea the extent of this man's crimes until I took a look at his past works. WATERWORLD? ALIEN RESSURECTION? For the love of good writing, this man has KILLED an otherwise excellent series and helped another movie which could have been good aside from a few problems here and there(with his name on it) into the grave. Trust him to come up with some bubblegum t.v. watchin' if you want, but to trust him with a movie script after he's failed his past two times at bat is insanity. However, perhaps I am being too harsh. The third time is the charm, after all, but whether this will be a charming piece of work or a cherry(or in Whedon's case, stink) bomb in the aisles of movie theatres everywhere remains to be seen. I believe everyone knows my opinion on which of the two it will be by now, so I will not repeat myself. Now, as for you, Cuttr. After I cooled off from your initial comments, I went back and looked at what you had to say seriously and critically. However, looking at your comments about anime, I have to say that you know next to nothing. Looking at anime and then going WWTT (What's with the tentacles) simply proves that you've been seeing the wrong stuff or the same stuff over and over again. So you've seen some violence. So you've seen ranma. To suggest that everything else is just like this proves that YOU are the one who is being short sighted and prejudiced. Okay. You've seen Ranma and perhaps M.D Geist and Urotsukidoji. That isn't all that's out there, chummer. Want to get a vacation from that kinda stuff? Watch Graveyard of the Fireflies. Watch Blue Submarine. Watch Macross, for the love of god. There's more to anime than what's at Blockbuster(not to say that you've only seen what blockbuster or what any other video store has to offer, you may have seen everything I own for all I know- it's just a general comment). To say that I'm being all the things you said I was and then say that anime is more or less all the same simply proves that you are being a hypocrit. I humbly offer you the chance to broaden your horizons, just as you offered me.
Tentacles by cuttr	Aug 15th, 1999 06:36:43 AM
I never sain that there were no original ideas in Anime. What I meant by my comments is that the people who make the stuff are just as likely to "steal" from each other as Joss Whedon is to "steal" from them. Anime as a whole is no more original than any other art form. Anime steals from all kinds of sources, from Western Sci-fi to Shakespear. It's not a criticism, it's just true. And I know enough about statistical analysis to realize that if a random sampling of anime titles turns up that much preoccupation with tentacles, theres a trend. Maybe I haven't watched enough anime to get the full experience. Maybe you haven't watched enough Buffy to fully appreciate Whedon's growth as a storyteller.
Who's Jean Grey? by El Presidente	Aug 15th, 1999 07:50:15 AM
Entertainment Weekly reports that Famke Janssen is Jean Grey, contradicting the previous report of the actress from ER whose name escapes me. Frankly, I think the casting of the Jean Grey character is a big deal. I haven't seen the screenplay, but Jean Grey is the most prominent female character in the X-Men mythos. I can't really complain about Famke's babe factor, but how old are the X-Men supposed to be now?
Cyclops.... by frik1	Aug 15th, 1999 11:31:53 PM
I have a friend who is an intern at 20th Century, and happens to be working close to the project, tells me that they are very close to casting an unknown in the part of Cyclops. I think that is a great idea, like the chick from The Matrix, unknown but kick ass.
Cyclops casting by frik1	Aug 18th, 1999 01:13:35 AM
My Friend at 20th Century tells me that the actor up for the role of Cyclops is Karl Lundstrom, an unknown actor who was unbelievable in his audition. I've got to trust Bryan Singer on all his decisions. Who knows could be the next kick ass unknown like the girl in Matrix.
Script anyone?? by UnfitCritic	Aug 18th, 1999 01:50:20 PM
I own every X-Men comic book since issue #123. Am I the only one here who see's the unbelievable inconsistencies that are so rampant in this script? Please somebody tell me how this script is conceivable to any die-hard X-Men fans. I mean the fans that have grown up with them before the bullshit cartoons and lunch boxes. Do you think the director, producer, or possibly even the script writer for Christs sake has ever even read more than 2-3 copies of any X- title? The X-men are deep intense characters with real issues that I personally have grown and learned from. The worst thing anyone could do with this film is cheeseball it up. CONSTANT SCRIPT CHANGES??!!!?? Yo ... Mr. Bigshot Director, pick up some back issues from the glory days of the Holy Mr. Chris Claremont and see if you don't need so many new rewrites. I will, without a doubt be one of the first people in line to see this movie when it is finally released, I admit that, I am sure everyone who has bothered to post ANY comment here, good or bad will do the same, but I tell you all now, this movie will suck big time. Not because of bad acting, directing or even lousy special effects, (though those things will prob. suck too) the reason this movie is going to blow is because the script will not pay homage to the incredible characters that are so much deeper and complex than ANY shithead in Hollywood could ever conceive of.
This movie is going to rock no matter what..... by wolvieman	Sep 10th, 1999 11:50:06 PM
This movie is going to rock no matter what because i have been waiting a decade to see my favourite comic book heroes on the silver screen. but i have one suggestion i think they should create a character purposely for the movie and this character should be on the x-team but shouldnt look perfect like the other memebers do. make him fat and disabled. or if your not going to create a character at least put a character like caliban on the team. he will show sympathy to the humans. please consider this thought and thanks for listening and remember who helped Lee create the X Jack Kirby and think about his legacy when ever you look at any related aspect of the Xmen, every time you insult the X-men movie or book you are insulting the "ELVIS" of Comic books.
Halle As Storm by tasfree	Oct 2nd, 1999 12:13:09 AM
Hi my name is Tas and I would like to invite all Storm fans to join and post your opinion on the on the Halle as Storm Pic. Does she do her justice or not. consider my club your second home. Hope to see you there Your Friend Tas
Hey. hey blow the man down. by Wolfpack	Aug 21st, 2006 03:58:06 PM

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