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Meyer book looks cool
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:28:00 PM
Wonder what he thought of the new Trek?
Has to be better than the utterly
by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:28:20 PM
shitty-looking Stargate Universe...doesn't it? Well, I guess Fox will kill another new sci-fi series before we can find out.
Totally Lame concept from Moore IMHO
by Lazerman21
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:42:40 PM
All I can think of is that he is rehashing the one plot that never died during his and future Star Trek Post TNG days, and that is stories revolving around the Holo-Deck and how it threatens the ship. Come ON Mr. Moore, you can do better than that!? If not, TALK to me, I will help :-P
"Commander Pike"... Star Trek envy?
by HB_Dad
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:54:33 PM
I'm just sayin'...
This is actually GOOD news...
by danowen
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:54:54 PM
... because it was due to air on 4 July, so NOBODY would have watched it on Independence Day. Moving it forward gives it more of a chance, so hopefully everyone will tune in. I've heard good things about the script.
So a computer virus get's loose on the ship!
by cookylamoo
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:55:14 PM
Neat trick. How does it get out of the computer?
We must not let it get that far!
by ottomatic
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:57:11 PM
Reality stars to save the earth?! fuck. that.

I'd rather send some experinced oil drillers then trust the stars of MTVs The Hills to save our planet.

Whether it's good or not . . . enjoy it while it's on.
by kabong
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:02:04 PM
It won't be on for long.
Saw the name Erik Jensen in the cast
by skimn
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:06:21 PM
and could've sworn it said Tek Jansen...DAMN!
Sienna Guillory makes me hard
by Player 1
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:08:40 PM
I hope we get to see one gratuitous nekkid scene with Sienna.
Will Moriarty try to escape the holodeck?
by Iron-kong
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:09:31 PM
Also didn't Picard foil a holodeck villain by tricking them to step out onto the Enterprise where they disappeared? Was that Al Capone?
Fox... they've done it again.
by V'Shael
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:19:21 PM
What's the point of even watching this show? It could be brilliant, like Terminator. They'll still fuck it over.
They lost me with...
by jimmy rabbitte
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:27:02 PM
the reality show concept. It feels like Moore is leaning to heavily, on the "holding a mirror, up to society" device.

What ever happened to the escapist brand of science fiction? The planet saving mission, of the series description, reminded me of the first series, of Starblazers. I'd love to see something new done, in that style, of serious but fun.

The way this series is described, I can already predict the aimless filler episodes. They would involve VR sequences that go nowhere; as well as whole episodes where the ratings (and/or) running of the show, within the show are discussed. The debates would rage about how to make the show better while the "scumbag" network execs (read: dirty, no good republicans) ignore the crew's peril. All of this, of course would be set to a "totally hipper than thou" emo soundtrack... zzzzzzzzzz

I'd rather rewatch Alien or Bladerunner or the previously mentioned episodes of Starblazers. If I want to see more angst-y, overwrought melodrama-in-space, I'll put in the BSG discs. Sorry, Ron, I'll pass, on this show.

Remember Sunshine?
by ottomatic
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:35:21 PM
I was really enjoying that movie till it ended up being a fucked up dude killing people on a ship.

Why does anyone do TV deals with FOX?
by Zardozap2005
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:44:23 PM
Seriously. WTF? Fox just whips out it's raging full-on and has-at-it with any prospective sci-fi show by shafting it within two weeks of airing. Fringe pretty much got lucky, because it was really, really, good, and had the J.J name on it to give it a chance.
at least they moved it off July 4th
by johnnysunshine
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:44:25 PM
June 26th is still better than July 4th. I do wish they'd stop programming their best series on Friday nights though. Oh well, at least they renewed Dollhouse. That was an unexpected surprise.
If Fox is burning stuff off for the summertime
by skimn
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:46:04 PM
why not run the filmed episodes of Drive.
Holodeck: The Series!
by photoboy
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:46:12 PM
I really don't know what Ron has in mind, but unless this show has a huge budget I can't see the weekly holodeck adventures being particularly exciting.

Still, bonus points to Moore for hiring Sienna Guillory.
No interest
by Knightsong
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:52:52 PM
Sounds pretty dumb. Besides I think Fox's corporate mission statement is "Death to Genre Programming".
Eh, sounds kind of lame.
by jimmy_009
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:54:44 PM
I'm always up for some sci-fi, but judging from the concept, not my cup of tea.
Dollhouse Sucks CACK
by MegaBaltar5000
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:01:16 PM
Booooooooooooooooo ! Fuck Herc!
HB_Dad
by Rhuragh
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:29:04 PM
Uh, yeah, RDM has a lot to be envious of, considering he's responsible for the best Trek series ever. Also, I'm not surprised there was someone ignorant enough to latch onto that reference first rather than the other numerous references in the character list. Do a little research and you might find that the Rika Goddard character shares her last name with Robert Goddard, the father of modern rocketry, for whom NASA's Space Flight Center in Maryland is named. Or how about Dr. Jules Braun being a reference to Wernher von Braun, the leader of the team that designed the Saturn V rocket? And then there's Sue Parsons, a reference to Jack Parsons, co-founder of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. How about Dr. Jimmy Johnson as a reference to Lyndon B. Johnson (Space Center, in Houston). Those are just the examples I can think of off the top of my head. I can see some tenuous links on a couple of the other names too, and I've probably missed more than that! So, please, try to learn a little about something that actually matters before opening your ignorant fucking mouth.
this wont last long
by palewook
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:42:20 PM
why bother watching
It's punishment
by Symposium
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:42:25 PM
for the bullshit that was the BSG finale.
Who are these cast members?
by darthsynn
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:48:31 PM
The only names I recognized were Clea Duvall and Sienna Guillory. I guess it doesn't matter. It'll be canceled after four episodes anyway.
Rhuragh
by raw_bean
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:51:18 PM
Well said, man.
The cast names sound cooler than the character names
by lockesbrokenleg
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:55:30 PM
I second having Moriarty show up
by Tall_Boy66
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:41:23 PM
"Ah-HAH, you thought you could keep Professor Moriarty on a box on a desk but I have returned!!" I'll buy it.
I love imagining the pitch for this show
by chrth
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:56:18 PM
"Remember the holodeck episodes of The Next Generation? And how something would go wrong any time they focused on it? What if we made a show where that happened every week!"
Wait, Clea Duvall? To quote the thespian Will Smith
by chrth
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:57:55 PM
AW HELL NAW. I can't stand her.
Sounds like a Next Gen episode
by Logan_1973
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:05:27 PM
The reason why I gave up on Next Gen was because every other episode centered around the holodeck going awry. This sounds like the same recycled shit. Can't blame Fox for this one; this is damaged right out of the gate.
Why Moore and never Berg?
by Flippadippa
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:06:54 PM
Moore is continually referenced in these Virtuality threads - never Peter Berg. Herc, share the love.
Logan_1973
by jimmy_009
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:32:01 PM
You mean like one or two episodes a year? Yeah real excessive.
The BSG Finale Was Bleh
by nexxus7
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:37:28 PM
Truly one of the worst, yet predictable "twist" endings ever. The show had become so repetitive and retreaded it was pathetic. In many respects it actually ended up making the original BSG look better. That series was 30 years old and camp, but still more imaginative. As for this one, sounds like a mash-up (ripoff) of Star Trek, the Lost in Space movie, Vituosity (the Denzel Washington/Russell Crow flick) and reality TV. What a hack job. Good riddance. Does Moore have an original idea in his head? Nope.
Frank Pike as in Frank Poole in "2001"
by kabong
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:45:04 PM
As for cast names . . . nobody in sci-fi movies can have a better name than . . . Moon Bloodgood.

duvall is shit clea that is
by TheExterminator
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:47:36 PM
Too bad this won't be a series...
by flickchick85
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:54:36 PM
I heard the script was great. Oh well, I like Moore and the cast, so I'll watch, and lament what could have been.
I would have called it "Hell-O Deck".
by cookylamoo
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:48:28 PM
But some people might have called it Hello Deck.
I'd love to know why Fox decided to bag this
by bravogolfhotel
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:03:54 PM
Maybe the pilot itself will answer that question. I'll make sure to watch it (but then, I'd watch Sienna Guillory read the nutrition facts off a box of Toaster Strudel).
Since they're using "reality" stars
by thound007
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:22:30 PM
Can we have Speidi blast off into deep space as well?

Sending those two wastes of DNA to a cold dark doom would pretty much save Earth on it's own.

Yeah, the Speidi thing.....
by DrMorbius
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:35:59 PM
Spencer and Heidi in unison...

We're DOUCHEBAGS. get us out of here!!

FOX should just burn money
by Adelai Niska
Jun 4th, 2009
12:01:42 AM
Instead of placing their most expensive, effects-filled shows on Fridays. While they're at it, they should move NFL games to 3am and put Idol on Sunday mornings.
I kinda dug the New Amsterdam show
by oisin5199
Jun 4th, 2009
12:39:00 AM
and that actor. Being one of the two 'immortal' shows of the 07/08 season, it beat the hell out of Moonlight. And pretty good use of Decemberists songs as well. Wish it could have continued for at least another season. So between that guy and Ron Moore, and Clea Duvall (still miss Carnivale, sniff), I'll probably catch it. And the next night's the American premiere of the Doctor Who Christmas movie on BBCA.
and just to give a counter opinion
by oisin5199
Jun 4th, 2009
12:44:41 AM
BSG's finale was one of the most emotionally satisfying series finales I can remember since MASH. Loved. Every. Fucking. Minute. So there.
maybe if Virtuality does well
by oisin5199
Jun 4th, 2009
12:46:04 AM
it can move into the slot next to Dollhouse instead of those stupid sitcoms.
American LIFE ON MARS
by SnapT
Jun 4th, 2009
01:40:37 AM
Didn't this turn out to be the plot of ABC's LIFE ON MARS remake?
I loved the BSG finale too, for the record.
by flickchick85
Jun 4th, 2009
01:45:05 AM
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
Minus the coda, that is.
by flickchick85
Jun 4th, 2009
01:46:56 AM
Yeah, that was shit. But on re-watch, I always stop it on the final scene with Adama, so it's *almost* like it was never there.
BSG finale did kind of suck ass
by lockesbrokenleg
Jun 4th, 2009
03:00:17 AM
I think the Starbuck episode that season should have been the final. Damn, that was cool. How many times did we hear that shitty song, but it still sounded cool?
BSG
by Dude_gimme_tabs
Jun 4th, 2009
03:31:05 AM
Moore's BSG was consistently one of the best shows on TV, period.

Anyone who attempts to pretend it wasn't now that it is over is a revisionist fucktard.

Moore sucks half the time
by twogunjames
Jun 4th, 2009
04:07:24 AM
The other half of the time he's brilliant. Something tells me this pilot is the half that sucks.
Defying Gravity?
by LethargicJ
Jun 4th, 2009
04:44:05 AM
Last week I watched the pilot for another show called Defying Gravity being jointly produced by BBC and Fox. It has almost the EXACT same plot as this. Except their mission is only 6 years so there's that. Why is Fox ripping off itself?
A feature? A Skiffy pilot?
by Genre_Boy
Jun 4th, 2009
06:34:13 AM
If the script is as food as it was reported to be, they ought to have made it into a feature film or pitched it to Skiffy -- as a 'bottle' show, it wouldn't have been difficult to finance episodes with the no-name cast.

(I guess this also means that Moore's golden-boy status at NBC-U has reached it's expiration date... Oh, Bonnie...)

Nicholas Meyer's book
by AsimovLives
Jun 4th, 2009
07:10:12 AM
Sounds like a pretty interesting book from one of the best directors ever working in a Star Trek movie. Also, he's a very good writer on his own right. He started as a writer and dramaturg. I guess this is one more bookmark for Amazon for me.
The character's names in Virtuality.
by AsimovLives
Jun 4th, 2009
07:15:22 AM
Somebody corrects me if i'm wrong, but i think that EVERY name of the characters in the TV show Virtuality is a reference to either major SF authors or iconic characters from SF literature or TV. I think i'm into something here.

And i trust Ronald D. Moore in anything SF he has a hand on. This guy really knows SF. Not like that stupid ignorant JJ Abrams who completly fucked up Star Trek. No, Ronald D. Moore, he really understands SF. You can tell he really has love and passion for the genre. Also, that he also has extensive experience with other TV shows outside of the Sf gerne, like Carnivàle, does help making him a broader horizont. Which alsways helps the creation of good SF. It's like Joe Halderman and The Forever War, his experience in the Vietnam War helped him wrote one of the top best SF books ever writen.

SF needs people with broader horizonts then just the SF genre only.
Fuck Peter Berg!!!
by AsimovLives
Jun 4th, 2009
07:18:01 AM
I had hopes with that fucking hack when he bade the very funny and wonderfully darkly humourous Very Bad Things. I guess that fuck spent all his load with that movie, and afterwards he dedicated his career exclusively in being the next big hack in Hollywood. As if there isn't already too many of them. Fuck him!
we'd love to shoot reality tv stars into deep space
by turketron_2
Jun 4th, 2009
07:29:36 AM
Never to be heard from again. Hopefully landing on a planet infested with Aliens... and we would get to see them impregnated by facehuggers or torn apart by drones. Oh what a world that would be...
Hercules, you lost me after you called Moore a “mastermind".
by Fareal
Jun 4th, 2009
07:45:13 AM
After watching the worst finale EVER for a TV series, does FOX expect me to watch one of his TV shows on the Friday night death slot?
Once again, it is impossible for me to calculate how bad the Battlestar Galactica was. Not only did Moore ruin the prequel, "Caprica", because it is pointless to watch it now, he also dashed any hope of a possible big screen movie for the show. Now, because I still have a great amount of hatred toward Moore, I will not support any of his future projects.
An apology from Ron Moore would also be pointless. What is done is done. He took four seasons of a great sci/fi show and flushed it down the toilet. Now, I hope his career will go the way of Rick Berman.
Needs more GIANT PIG
by GIANT_PIG
Jun 4th, 2009
08:05:16 AM
GIANT PIG!!!
Needs a giant spider in the 3rd act.
by V'Shael
Jun 4th, 2009
08:18:59 AM
Can we get Wil Smith interested in this? I think it needs to be more "ghetto".
Totally agree about Sunshine, Mr. Ottomatic.
by johnnyangel
Jun 4th, 2009
08:22:47 AM
A very good story until it introduced the crazed killer at the end. You know, in real life, as opposed to movie life, people are selected for space flight partially on their ability to work well with other people, not on the basis of how crazy shit bonkers they'll go at the first opportunity. Just a pointer for aspiring screen writers out there.
Reality TV stars and the space program
by Tindog42
Jun 4th, 2009
08:22:55 AM
Not a big a leap. Some of the first "minicams" where developed for the space program. NASA has been broadcasting mission coverage for decades. The networks seem to consider it too boring for prime-time. Integrating the conventions of 'Reality TV' to attract a wider audience (and supplement a shrining budget) might appeal to a desperate space program. Could be a great premise for dark satire or tedious pretentious mess. All depends on the execution of the idea.
And if Virtuality is what's taking the place of Terminator:Sarah
by johnnyangel
Jun 4th, 2009
08:23:44 AM
I already hate it.
Shael
by Craig2574
Jun 4th, 2009
08:23:49 AM
Will Smith is now ashamed to be a part of Wild Wild West or what ever it was called. The spider was put in there because the head of the studio wanted it. The head of the studio wanted to put the spider in kevin smiths treatment of superman if I remember.
BSG Finale did kinda of suck ass..
by Judge Briggs
Jun 4th, 2009
08:48:57 AM
I wanted to see a future Earth ... and see the humans fuck up some Cylons in an epic battle above earth... still, the final battle was fucking awesome.
Virtual crap
by oogabooga
Jun 4th, 2009
09:18:19 AM
This will last as long as that steaming pile of virtual reality poo Chris Carter pushed out. This is just a gimmick writers like because nothing has to make sense as far as the overall story its just lazy
Yep, the BSG finale was pretty stupid at times
by SpyGuy
Jun 4th, 2009
09:18:34 AM
"Sorry, Lee...I know I'm your father and all, but I have to go off and bury my dead girlfriend and hide out in a cabin next to her grave for the rest of my life, so I'm afraid you'll never see me ever again."

RIGHT.

People who hate on the BSG finale
by Jardinier
Jun 4th, 2009
09:40:05 AM
annoy me. It wasn't the single best episode the series ever produced, but it was a decent, emotionally satisfying conclusion to the characters' journey. Sure, I could have done without the coda and with a better preparation of the whole contrived "we just beat the shit out of each other for the past few years, now let's be friends" plot point, but on the whole, I liked it.
I especially like the fact that the audience doesn't get the series' mythology handed to us, all neatly wrapped up and fully explained. You want to believe "God did it," and hate Moore for it, fine, but there are other explanations, and you're free to take your pick; Moore certainly left it open enough. It's like Star Wars before the prequels (and unless I'm misjudging Moore, CAPRICA won't be the lame explain-o-fest the Star Wars prequels were).
And the CAPRICA pilot is pretty awesome.
by Jardinier
Jun 4th, 2009
09:42:37 AM
It's exactly what BSG was before the fourth season mythology catch-up: a mirror for 21st century society with some really fascinating characters. You don't like it, you're free to disregard the whole thing. Sure, there are not going to be any macro-level surprises, because we already know what happens with the Cylons, but so what? Story was never the main point of Moore's BSG, either. No wonder people who're so focused on getting a riveting story with twists and turns and HUGE REVELATIONS disliked the BSG finale (and let's face it, those HUGE REVELATIONS were never handled particularly well even in the early seasons; what made them interesting was the change they produced in the characters they affected).

So, if VIRTUALITY is anything like CAPRICA, bring it on (and frack you Fox for basically cancelling it already).
Not too excited...
by AdmiralCainsRazor
Jun 4th, 2009
11:28:29 AM
about this since I doubt it will ever be picked up as a series. It was not even mentioned during Fox's announcements for next year. Take it for what it is, possibly a decent Sci-Fi TV movie and maybe you will not be too disappointed. I am kinda skeptical of this show since Moore really ran out of ideas towards the end of BSG. I recently watched the first 3 seasons of BSG on DVD again and it is insane how great these seasons are and how much the series got frakked up. And of course the finale, yuck. First hour was good, but then RDM just diarrhead all over it what with the angels, and giving up ALL their technology and yada, yada, yada. I'll DVR Virtuality and watch it whenever.
Craig2574
by AsimovLives
Jun 4th, 2009
11:32:22 AM
If it took Will Smith this long to be ashamed of Wild Wild West, then he's a bigger moron then i though. And the giant mechanical spider is the least of that fucking movie's problems.
I have more trust in a bad job from Ronald D Moore...
by AsimovLives
Jun 4th, 2009
11:36:59 AM
... then on any "good" job from that fucking hack JJ Abrams. but it's the later who people kiss ass, instead of the guy with the real talent. Figures! This goes duble considering that the hack JJ stole outright in style and "mood" from Moore's BSG for his piece of shit Star Trek movie. Again, the fucking hack gets the kudos, while the true talented guy gets pissed on by the geek brigade. Fucking figures!
Ron Moore is a Tool
by MC1701B
Jun 4th, 2009
12:12:07 PM
This is the man who introduced religion into a series created by the proudest atheist in the history of series TV. This is the man who decided Nog was a more interesting character than James T. Kirk. He's never had an original idea, which makes him perfect for Hollywood in the oughts.
I'll Watch
by xile1c
Jun 4th, 2009
02:06:39 PM
I also think Moore's stuff is half and half. Half the time exciting and thoughtful, the other half over-ponderous and self important. It's still got to be better than that Sarah Connor Chronicles shit. That show made me wish Sarah Connor had cancer and died already.
Left over script ideas from...
by Kid Z
Jun 4th, 2009
02:40:22 PM
... that crappy American version of Life On Mars? Is that what this is?
I won't watch anything by HACK Ron Moore
by Jeditemple
Jun 4th, 2009
02:45:32 PM
After BSG, the man is on my death list.
Moore's BSG finale...
by Kid Z
Jun 4th, 2009
02:59:25 PM
... is the only series finale in the entire history of television that managed to ruin the ENTIRE series. It will go down in history as the most insane act of premeditated career suicide or the only instance of last-minute, apocalyptic shark-jumping ever, or both.
Jeditemple
by AsimovLives
Jun 4th, 2009
04:07:04 PM
Anybody who worked on Carnivàle is no hack. I bet you worship the works of a true hack, that JJ Abrams shit-on-two-legs.
I'll Be Checking This Out
by Cobbio
Jun 4th, 2009
05:11:11 PM
The 2-hour pilot was supposed to have been directed by Peter Berg, which means it could be pretty damn cool. I like the troupe of actors Moore assembled too.

I'm expecting "Virtuality" to be markedly different from "Battlestar Galactica" in terms of storytelling. More near-future, though still tripped out. I also expect heavy doses of reality show bitch-slapping (thank you!), anxious humor, and claustrophobia.

Despite the Friday night death slot, this show could be really good. I'll be watching with friends.

Also...
by Cobbio
Jun 4th, 2009
05:43:53 PM
I think everyone on this thread who wrote that "Virtuality" will be like a Star Trek holodeck episode needs to pull their heads out of their asses. Seriously, is that the only reference to virtual reality you know? Because that's pretty limited and kind of pathetic.

What if Moore's story pushes cyberpunk or Rudy Rucker-ish themes of post-singularity? What if the show examines virtual reality from a practical, thus infinitely more fucked-up perspective? Because Star Trek didn't do shit with the concept. There was never an episode that dealt with pathological addiction to fantasy, mind-wiping, lucidly brutal virtual sex or... anything, really. It was just "simulation this" and "simulation that." Fucking boring.

I choose to think Moore will veer as far away from Star Trek as possible, thank god. He's likely digging much deeper than that, pulling influence from luminaries such as Neil Stephenson and Bruce Sterling, to name a few.

It's a mistake to think this will be like Star Trek. It won't, so get over yourselves.

I think BSG Season 1 was some of the finest TV ever written.
by Shan
Jun 4th, 2009
06:50:32 PM
... and that most of Season 4 was some of the worst.

I think that the series finale was one of the worst I've ever seen even at the time that I saw it. Even Dean Stockwell couldn't save it.

So does that make me a revisionist then?

Cobbio
by Logan_1973
Jun 4th, 2009
07:05:59 PM
Those are a lot of "what if's" in there, my friend. Anything is possible, I suppose. As far as exploring the obsession with virtual reality, I think the new Bruce Willis flick just may cover that...like I said, it's recycled material. And yes, I think Next Gen doing a malfunctioning holodeck twice a season is excessive. If I were captain I would have pulled the plug on it after the first failure.
Cobbio
by Rhuragh
Jun 4th, 2009
08:56:45 PM
Actually, while I didn't really enjoy the Holodeck-run-amok episodes of TNG either, I think they did touch on (with felt-lined kid gloves) improper holodeck addiction with the Reg Barclay character played by Dwight Schultz. He was found to be engaging in far too much holodeck play and improperly using other crew members in implied romantic situations (didn't they show him wooing a holodeck Troi?). I just checked; it was the episode Hollow Pursuits. If I remember correctly, they even touched on his narcissism and megalomania portrayed in that episode as being the reason behind his conduct later when his intelligence was artificially enhanced by an alien civilization whereupon he took over the ship by force.

Admittedly, as said earlier, they touched on the issue of holodeck addiction very gently, but they still did it in at least one case, and they did it with a character that became a fan-favorite (who was later seen in one of the movies, First Contact, and even used in half a dozen episodes of Voyager, as well as being name-dropped in DS9).
GOOD! You know why? Because Ron Moore's work SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Citizen Sane
Jun 5th, 2009
12:56:53 AM
R.M, SUCKS!! Abrams RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Citizen Sane
Jun 5th, 2009
12:59:08 AM
R.M, SUCKS!! Abrams RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Citizen Sane
Jun 5th, 2009
12:59:19 AM
Figures
by spiceybiscuit
Jun 5th, 2009
12:33:19 PM
Fucking Fox-douche baggery at its best....wonder why he didn't shop this to Stify..I mean Scify or whatever that channel's name is now...looking for the bigger bucks??? Canceled in 5 episodes, especially if the lead in is that fuckup Dollhouse horse shit
And in the end ...
by TheHumanBeingAndFish
Jun 5th, 2009
01:15:51 PM
... God & his angels did it. Another poster said it best: the BSG finale managed to ruin *the entire* series.
Bill and Tigh didn't even get a final scene
by lockesbrokenleg
Jun 5th, 2009
06:09:36 PM
I hope the DVD extended cut is a better. Oh, and the Caprica pilot was kind of shit.
Good Points
by Cobbio
Jun 6th, 2009
01:51:32 PM
Rhuragh and Logan_1973. I remember that "Star Trek" Barclay episode too, and you're right, it did deal with virtual reality addiction.

In my opinion, though, it kind of downplayed the more degenerate aspects of what could've happened, but that's just me. Dwight Schultz did a great job with the role, however. I think his tweaker neuroses made him one of the more compelling characters in that universe.

But back to (virtual) reality...

It's true my listed possibilities constitute a lot of what-ifs, but I just think there are hundreds of amazing science fiction novels, short stories, movies, shows, and other media to draw on for "Virtuality" influences. "Star Trek" is just one of the hundreds, if not thousands, of virtual reality progenitors.

What about the first "Matrix"? That's a much more disturbing and kickass portrayal of virtual reality. Richard K. Morgan's "Altered Carbon" is another popular novel dealing with the more brutal aspects of virtual reality, including non-stop torture that you can't wake up from. This is the kind of push "Star Trek" stayed as far away from as possible. Not that I disagree, of course, since it was made for PG audiences, but I'm saying there's A LOT of shit "Star Trek" avoided in its portrayal of VR.

I'm hoping "Virtuality" draws on vastly different influences than "Star Trek" did for ongoing drama, and like "Battlestar Galactica," goes for the jugular.

Let it die quickly
by criticalbliss
Jun 8th, 2009
02:46:36 AM
BSG sucked ass. I'd rather ensure that this idiot doesn't TOUCH another potentially great SF franchise, thank you.

Let Virtuality crash and burn.

They did this already on Voyager
by jtp8000
Jun 8th, 2009
12:51:04 PM
When Tuvok plays a particular holodeck war game it sets loose a computer virus. When you steal from Brannon Braga you may as well put the gun in your mouth and pull the trigger
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