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by jake31
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:06:24 AM
thirdsies
by peagreenboy
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:35:38 AM
So when will the Crossed trade be released?
Damn It Bug
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:47:05 AM
I thought there was a new Rising Stars I missed.

Will teach me to use the link index instead of just scrolling.

Get lost, NeilF
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:54:54 AM
This is the forum where you bitch about Liam "The Kid," not the one where you bitch about Scriptgirl.
Brian Blessed is ODIN!!!
by Nice Marmot
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:22:20 AM
IMPETUOUS BOOOOY!!!
Then Re-Read Optimus' Wolverine Review
by Aquatarkusman
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:33:25 AM
If I ever find myself screaming at a comic book, you can call those nice young men in their clean white coats, 'cuz they're coming to take me away. Seriously, that's like cartoon Mickey Rooney yelling at mice.
Uumm...
by Bootskin
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:48:28 AM
I thought Midnight Nation wrapped up years ago?? They continued it? And Rising Stars? THAT title is still being printed? Where the hell have I been?
JLA
by DrLektor
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:58:36 AM
Well the truth is out. We all know the reason the title has been lacklustre these last few months. On the one hand I do feel sorry for McDuff and the shitty hand he's been dealt, on the other I just wonder if a more talented writer could have still pulled off something decent. When you look at a character like Vixen she's pretty cool. Smokin' hot, got the ethnicity angle covered and with a power set that can handle any situation... but McDuffie brought his own problems into the book with the whole "spider-god being the manifestation of the frustration I was feeling as a writer" and Vix is reduced to rhino style charging the bad guy. I mean c'mon, you've got Milestone characters, a cowboy Batman (whch opens up so many cool doors it practically writes itself) and the return of a 70's villain that should illicit a strong nostalgic response. And yet nothing major happens. Members of the JLA act out of character, everyone double crosses each other and the action happens off panel. Maybe a new creative team is for the best. B-list heroes doesn't have to mean B-list comic, we've read enough over the years to know that.
and The Kid
by DrLektor
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:04:44 AM
when I saw he was reviewing Green Lantern I felt a little miffed. The title is cool enough to get a more experienced reviewer surely. But bravo, hats off and all that, excellent job. Kid you're a joy to read sometimes, pointing out the faults in an obvious but charming way and not spoiling the ending too much. In a few years, if you stick with writing and comics, your site will be very rewarding.
Old Man Logan
by batmarv
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:12:07 AM
Just read issue 72 and its fucking amazing! The best comic out there..its a pity its only a mini series, i hope Miller keeps on writing Wolverine when its over
Do the DOCTOR WHO past references matter with the Internets?
by SpyGuy
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:14:46 AM
Confused about a reference to a past episode? Just look it up online if you want. As long as knowledge of said reference doesn't prevent you from comprehending the current story, just treat it as some potential bonus entertainment. Or does everything need to be explained?
"I don’t think Doctor Strange is that cool and..."
by Fareal
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:15:31 AM
Liam the Kid wrote, "I don’t think Doctor Strange is that cool and if he’s supposed to be an expert he really doesn’t know what’s going on because he’s been looking for that magic eye for a couple issues and he still has no idea who is going to have it."

You are right, Liam. It takes a kid to see the obvious. Dr. Strange stopped being cool before Liam was born. Maybe these issues will finally put the character of Dr. Strange to death. Liam the Kid rocks!
Doctor Who
by Pogue__Mahone
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:15:59 AM
I agree with our reviewer. I'm a HUGE Who fan and I dug the hell out of this issue! But I GOT all the asides to other episodes - some going back quite a ways... but to the uninititated I can understand it being a bit confusing. I have a great idea! With a series that's drenched in DECADES of continuity, when a writer references a past adventure why not post a weblink to a plot synopsis from that episode. That will educate the casual reader and fill in the blanks as well as maybe giving a shout out to some of the awesome fan sites who spend so much time sharing their love for the show. There are MANY! Just an idea. And while I was a bit leery of the art in this issue for the first few pages I ended up TOTALLY diggin' it by the end. It was a refreshing change from the typical comic book fare. With 'The Forgotten' and now this I'm totally loving my comic book Doctor Who right now. A must read for any fan! .... And Liam? Nice job on the Green Lantern review buddy! I enjoy your stuff.
SpyGuy
by Pogue__Mahone
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:18:21 AM
Looks like you and I had the same idea about the interweb. There's lots of Who knowledge to be found all over it. And as for the other Doctor, the Strange mini with The Night Nurse was one hell of a fun read! With the right creative team our Master Of The Mystic Arts CAN be cool!
Optimus
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:52:21 AM
I think there's one more double sized Old Man Logan. A special or something. I read in a couple of places that this one is the second to last issue.
GORDONS ALIVE!
by ironic_name
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:58:57 AM
American Eagle
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:00:37 AM
I don't think it was a Bendising so much as maybe the head-dress thing might be a little culturally insensitive... maybe.
Batmarv
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:05:03 AM
there's a special double sized Old Man Logan from Millar then Jason Aaron takes over, I believe.
Also (The Kid)
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:06:12 AM
Had a good New Avengers review. I'm with you, Kid, Strange is not fun. I want someone to do something interesting with him, he should be awesome.
Really?
by Ambush Bug
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:27:20 AM
On two fronts:

Joe, honestly, how is a Native American wering a headdress culturally insensitive? Now if it was John Walker sporting a headdress and calling himself Injun Joe, I'd understand, but to me I thought it was about tradition.

And really? Guys, that was a clearly labeled review from eight years ago. It says it was orginally posted in 2002. It's under the title YE OLDE @$$ FROM THE PAST. Couldn't be more clearer that it's an early review as it says in the intro at the beginning. Is this section of the column going to cause that type of reaction everytime we run it?

Really?
well
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:31:56 AM
Headresses like that are often used in religious ceremonies. It has a cultural and spiritual signifigance. Its not just a fancy hat.
I don't know...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:37:38 AM
I just think it looks damn cool. Especially when he's punching the Thing in the face and ripping a tree out by its roots.
dr. strange
by nightwing1117
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:41:17 AM
check out dr. strange: the oath by BKV if u want to see a dr. strange story done right
Regarding Indian Headdresses...
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:42:15 AM
They are also quite often used as War Bonnets. Know a subject before you comment I'd suggest.
An ideal Dr. Strange for me
by DrLektor
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:49:05 AM
Would be a mix of 60's hippie and occult adventures, love-ins and LSD fueled mystery. Strange should be a guru, surrounded by sitars and Cthulhu worshiping villains. Sure, sure it's all been done before with other characters but he now seems like a man out of time, a series flashing back to the 60's glory days while having this goofy, tantric sex obsessed magician stuck in 2009 would be awesome, give Morrison a call.
Wolverines Not Over
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
10:50:09 AM
Denoument is a fancy word for the end is coming guys.

C'mon please read the whole review before you post.

Suffice to say that even in the “final” battle (final in quotes because the dénouement will be happening in a giant-size special)

I'm always like a paragraph into the kid's review...
by cookylamoo
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:04:48 AM
When I realize that it's the Kid and I'm wasting my time.
One annoying issue with Logan # 72
by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:05:26 AM
Was a double splash page of just text really necessary? I know it was a key moment in the story, so why not show it? I'm also wondering where gooseud is? I expected him to be on here spewing his hatred for Old Man Logan by now.
Bug
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:07:10 AM
I agree, I'm not personally offended by it, but I can see where others might be. It does look cool though, it also looked cool when he was ripping up that tree, BUT... what can you do?
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by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:08:48 AM
oops
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:09:30 AM
war bonnets also had a spiritual and cultural signifgance, like the Ghost Dance, for instance... duh.
The problem with Dr. Strange..
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:09:53 AM
Is that he's being written by dipshits with no understanding of the concept. They think magic is all some "Abrakadabra! Now there's a bunny in this hat!" When in fact Magic (or MagicK if you prefer) is about channelling universal energies for a desired outcome, the vast majority of which genuinely requires a verbal, somatic, and material component.

Bendis should not be allowed to write ANY magic based character EVER. He's a fucking idiot when it comes to anything that doesn't fit within his personal geek genre staple. Magic is as often about the subtle approach as it is anything flashy. Bendis (like Quesada)has no grasp of the fucking word it seems.

Drlektor? Drlektor? Drlektor?
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:10:54 AM
Drlektor?

Drlektor?

Drlektor?

Drlektor?

I agree
Optimus?
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:11:49 AM
Read the whole review? ...Crazy talk.
Nice try...
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:11:54 AM
Yet again you spout off ignorantly and then try to spin it when people bust you. Keep trying though, it's gotten funny watching you try to act like anyone besides you could care what you think.
I've come to realize......
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:14:07 AM
perception of the artist goes a long way towards perception of the art. I might be more willing to cut Crossed a bit more slack (or for that matter Herogasm which lets face it, WAS mildly amusing) if I hadnt seen Ennis's bag of tricks a million times. Likewise, I wou;ld cut Old Man Logan more slack if I hadnt seen Millar's "lets kill off the heroes! thats the ticket" schtick and lazy contempt for his audience a million times before. Taken on their own merits, all three stories I mentioned might have merit (Crossed maybe not), but viewed through the prism of their creator, they dont work for me. I know Joe will be on momentarily to say the art doesnt know where it comes from (kinda like the confiscated drug money in a million crime movies), and thats cool, but for me personally, creator and creation go hand in hand.
I love
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:14:33 AM
how Psynapse considers himself an expert of "Magick", as if it weren't completely made up bullshit. Please, Psynapse, tell me more how stage magicians daily spit in the face of REAL Sorcerors.
Rags is one of the best artists, but...
by Kid Z
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:14:57 AM
... he always seems to unfortunately get paired with the hackiest writers imaginable. Guy should have been a huge fave, but sadly he's the guy who always gets the "This book really blows, but who's this artist? He's pretty good. Oh well." (And yes, as a matter of fact, I DO include Brad Meltzer in that "hacky writer" category. Jean Loring going all Froot Loop and killing Sue Dibney using a purloined Atom suit, indeed. Lame.)
also,the coolness spectrum
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:24:17 AM
at one end is the Spider man comic reviewed above, which is the single best idea for a comic of all time. At the other end is matter eater lad.
Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:25:55 AM
I don't know what you're talking about, except that yes, Crossed is awful. Simply awful.
Do you think Matter-eater Lad would at poop?
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:26:55 AM
I bet he would, that guy would eat anything!
You continue to prove my point, Le Poseur Joenathan...
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:32:33 AM
YOUR perception is that it's 'made up bullshit'. I guess the millions of practioners world-wide are as deluded as you try to paint me.

And yet again, you try to insert your own words as some else's in an attempt to belittle them. You, not I, bring up stage magicians in comparison to actual sorcerers (Like Alan Moore for example). Y'know what I love? That you continue to try to delude yourself (and anyone reading the TB) that A) you know jack shit about anything and B) are something other than the weak-egoed homophobic poseur dipshit who actually paid to see Twilight but wasn't even sufficiently lame enough to do it to get laid. (and No, it never gets old bringing that back up.)

well, please don't tell any actual sorcerors
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:38:30 AM
about my opinions, as I'd hate to be turned into a frog.
Sure Matter Eater Lad would eat poop.
by Ambush Bug
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:43:21 AM
What type of matter doesn't matter to him...

Here all week, folks!
Manco is great
by Laserhead
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:44:56 AM
His Hellblazer arc "All His Engines" is the best Hellblazer story ever.
Furthermore....
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:45:53 AM
If you knew a single fucking thing about the Indian Cultures that you tried to comment on earlier you'd know that Martial and Spiritual headdresses are never used in the other's instance.

But hey, talking out your ass then scrambling to make the sophistry work is part of your 'charm' (such as it were)I suppose.

Re: Matter-Eater Lad
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:47:19 AM
Then one must suppose he'd gobble up Joenathan's opinions.
you are an angry little man, Psynapse
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:48:13 AM
I feel bad for you.
Dr. Strange needs a mystical sword
by thelordofhell
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:48:38 AM
And he needs a storyline where he kicks all sorts of bloody uber-killing machine mess in another dimension. Oh yeah, and bring back Clea, she was hot.
I like Psy's version of Magick
by Ambush Bug
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:49:28 AM
a hell of a lot better than the way its handled elsewhere. Magic without rules is shit writing. Look at JLA. Asian Dr. Light gets sucked into a black hole made by Starbreaker and Shadow Thief. And how does Zatanna combat this? Instead of trying to hone in on the energy used to make that hole and possibly reopen the rift, she simply says "Dnif rD thgiL." When that doesn't work, they're stumped.

And even that's not's what's annoying about Bendis' handling of Strange. He's made him out to be completely ineffectual since New Avengers #1. I remember one time when the New Avengers were about to crash their Quinjet and someone asks Strange, can't you whip up a spell or something. Strange simply says "No, I can't." That's it. Really, Dr. Strange? Is that a cloak of levitation you're wearing there or a snuggie? Awful, awful stuff. Shouldn't someone be required to read the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe or something before writing a character at the very least?
But Zatanna wears fishnets without pants
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:54:07 AM
I don't see the problem.

As for Strange, I've always felt like they've included him because people were like: "Where's Dr. Strange?" and they never had any idea what to do with him. I wish they'd remove him from the everyday stuff, maybe have him saving the world from the big threats that most heroes never even find out about.
Are we really debating
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:03:16 PM
Indian culture.

Fuck me isn't there a board at the Smithsonian for this?

You mean Native American Culture?
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:04:07 PM
Or Indian?
Last time Zatanna
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:04:59 PM
Was handled well was in Seven Soldiers.

Other than that she's just a dyslexic failsafe for when Superman can't handle the situation.

Seriously, and strife in the DCU could just be handled with her and her garbled talk.

Oh I'm not angry in the slightest...
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:09:12 PM
I simply don't suffer fools (that would be you Joenathan) gladly.
American Eagle
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:11:47 PM
!- I always loved him. I never saw him in an issue, per say, save for Contest of Champions, but I remember him vividly in the Marvel Handbook where they show him pulling up the tree. When I first saw him in that I thought he looked so bad-ass he must be a villain, but then I read his name and knew no villain would have the name American Eagle.

But as much as I like his appearance, I can actually understand why Native Americans would consider it offensive. It is just reducing an ethnic group to a stereotypical appearance and seeing them in only by their ethnicity. It is not as bad as the Super Friends treatment of Apache Chief, Samurai, El Dorado or Black Vulcan (all black heroes have to have "Black" in their name you know), but it is close. It is Affirmative Action in comics at its worse - token diversity instead of seeing the other person as being anything other than his ethnicity.

you seem angry
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:12:04 PM
thats why I feel bad for you.
Magic
by Mr.FTW
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:12:16 PM
Am I reading it right, Psynapse thinks magic is real?
Marvel Handbook
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:14:57 PM
That was the first place I saw American Eagle too. I love that tree hot. Anyway, he was so cool in Thunderbolts, to me, it just shows that the headdress and the baggage it brings with is not nessecary, so its easy to leave behind. It shows that he can be JUST a superhero, that he doesn't have to be the INDIAN superhero.
Zantanna
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:17:04 PM
I'd be okay with her bakwards talk if it was at least hard for her, like if they showed her puzzling out the backwords version of her spell, just a little pause would be okay. Not to mention, how do you say a word like "pause" backwards.

I loved Seven Soldiers
Since we're debating diversity...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:19:40 PM
I wonder why stories about non-white characters are so few and far between. Is it because people write what they know and since the majority of mainstream writers out there are white guys, they simply don't know how to write characters of other ethnicities and cultures? Or is it because of fear of backlash and over-sensitivity if a white guy writes a black character and the fear of offending some one or getting it all wrong? Could it be that an awesome character like American Eagle has been left in limbo since the eighties because Marvel was afraid that using a Native American wearing a war headdress would somehow spark some kind of protest?
Crossed isn't bad because of its explicitness
by seppukudkurosawa
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:20:30 PM
It's bad because its characters aren't really characters at all. If you want us to feel bad about a man, his wife and his daughter getting savaged by human zombies, it'll probably help if you could write them memorably enough that the reader remembers their names afterwards.

Jacen Burrows' artwork is too good for Ennis' forgettable script.

Stereotypes
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:20:38 PM
Are in place for a reason.

Does it apply to all members of that ethnicity/ religion ...whatever...no, that would be short sighted and obtuse.

But there sure as shit is a reason they propogate. What about pride in a cultural heritage? Why does James Proudstar wear the funny little feather? Pride from where his people once came.

This annoys me as much as people who say they won't ever use cliches. Why? There's a reason it became a cliche, it was a damn good turn of phrase.

Perhaps we're the ones at fault for not seeing beyond the ceremonial headress.

Psynapse
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:23:42 PM
I agree that magic in the Marvel Universe has rules, but I don't want the Marvel Universe to follow your rules for magic. That isn't meant as an insult but the simple observation that you are talking about magick like it is described by Aleister Crowley and in the Golden Bough, but that isn't the same as Marvel Universe's magic. Both Crowley and the Golden Bough describes rules and rituals for harnessing magical energies for paranormal effect, but those are not the same rules as Marvel's magic system. They already have very well defined rules and it's own laws if writers would just go back and read the old comics or even look at the old Marvel Handbooks. It might not be "accurate" in the sense it follows religious or occult beliefs, but it does fit the super-hero genre better than anything else.

I'm not saying you can't make reference to magick in the Marvel Universe, I just don't want to see it throw out it's old Ditko influenced magic system in place of something more realistic.

Bug
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:25:46 PM
I think you've covered most of the reasons, yeah. But then there are characters like Luke Cage, he is a A level character now and seen as a character and not just "Harlem's Protector" out of his neighborhood. Sincerity is the important part an I think thats why we all responded to American Eagle, he's kickass and he wasn't portrayed as like calling on the spirit of the great bear or any shit like that. Its not about ignoring the culture of a character's origin, its about realizing that they are people first, not sports team mascots.
Diversity in Comics....
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:28:06 PM
I'd say it's more likey that A) the currently existing comics mainstays just don't have that many example as much of what we read is just continuations of ideas from a much less enlightened time and B) it's still a bunch of old white guys at the very top of the major publishers still. Quesada and Didio still have to report to the board after all.
true Optimus
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:28:36 PM
but its a thin line, right?
Yes stereotypes exist for a reason...
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:28:51 PM
...but they do apply to all members of a group when that group is ALWAYS shown that way.

I love Marvel's Silver and Bronze Age, but I will be the first to point out there is not one Native American character save for Forge who was not shown stereotypically. All American Indian characters are good with a bow, have spiritual powers and are mystics (even Mirage fought the Demon Bar and she's a mutant). Even Forge, the least stereotypical of them, had to be a shaman.

So I could see someone say "Hey, maybe he shouldn't be just another American Indian stereotype."

Here Here Joen
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:29:18 PM
Well said.

You seem like a twit...
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:29:30 PM
But I don't feel bad for you in the slightest.
Wolverine #72
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:30:19 PM
Now that is an intriguing cover. Red Skull wearing Cap's uniform?? And whereas I could give a flip about the Wolverine character, Optimus' review has me jazzed about the issue -- I think I'll check it out.

Green Lantern #41
Like most of the Green Lantern artwork, it's such a mess that you can't decipher what's supposed to be going on -- and frankly, from the issues I've read, it's not worth the effort. I know there's a lot of Green Lantern groupies that would strongly disagree, but I just don't get all the love for this series. Which is unfortunate, since I really like the character.

Crossed
P lease. It's been done to death (pun intended). Let it go.

Amazing Spider-Man One Shot
Everything under the Spider-Man titles seem to be kicking ass right now. Looks like another must-read.

Justice League of America #33
Yet another overworked mess of a cover. I've been picking up an occasional issue, just because I have a special place in my geek heart for the League, but damn -- what patronizing dreck. There's no real story here -- just red meat thrown out to the fanboys.

Chew
It sounds like an original idea, coupled with a cool art style. Too bad the covers don't reflect that with the same old bloody-mess-body-count junk we've seen all too often.

New Avengers #53
I keep thinking about jumping aboard this title again after a very long hiatas, I'm just not sure there's anything here to merit that move. The cover certainly lends no clue -- yet another "characters posing" concept. From "the Kid's" review, it sounds like a filler issue. Probably going to wait on this one.

My two cents, anyways.
LIAM
by Berserkr
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:30:34 PM
Ok i have Kept my mouth shut for awhile, but enough is enough, stop putting this kids reviews on AICN, leave them on his own site, he minuses points on books because they don't have enough action:P
seppukudkurosawa
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:31:33 PM
totally. Thats what is wrong with Ennis's books, crossed in particular (although maybe not Wee Hughie...) is that his books are written for the gag, the characters are interchangeable in order to facilitat that gag.
I still feel bad for you, Psynapse
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:33:05 PM
I do. You have my pity.
Berserkr
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:37:51 PM
seriously, forget about the Kid. He's ine and whining is just going to make Bug want to givve you the finger more. And while I don't normally read his reviews, this week he was not bad at all.
Bug
by Mr.FTW
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:44:08 PM
I think it has to do a lot with the history of established characters that are still the forefront of comics. All of the definitive superhero archetypes are white and there hasn't been a real difinitive non-white character that has joined those ranks.

When the foundation of comics was laid down there wasn't equality or diversity like there is today. There are no far reaching roots for any non-white hero like Superman, Batman, Spider-man, the X-Men. There just aren't any non-white icons that stand up next to the giants.

Snook
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:44:54 PM
I was exactly where you were at with Wolverine, oversaturated and every story has bene the same for umpteen years. But I had a light pull week and my shop still had all seven issues of the story.

Please pick up all seven and not just 72. It would be like only watching the last five minutes of the God Father.

Red Skull even makes reference to the absurdity of wearing the costume and it is darkly funny.

Well Joenathan...
by Psynapse
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:45:20 PM
It wouldn't be the first worthless thing someone has given me.
Black and White
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:48:08 PM
Let's face it, most comics come from either America or the UK.

The simple fact is that these countries are still predominately white. Now depending on where you live it might skew your perception. Like I live in the NE corridor outside Philly so we have a lot more diversity than the national average, but look at the last US census. Fact is 70%+ of the country is still anglo.

Is the ratio really that far off in the comic universe?

No violence is Crossed #5?
by cookylamoo
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:50:27 PM
What do you call the cop with his brains falling out on page #8?
New Avengers: Reunion
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:55:29 PM
This has been a surprisingly good comic. I haven't been to the LCS for a week or two, so I'm looking forward to the next one.
Old Man Logan
by steverodgers
Jun 3rd, 2009
12:57:03 PM
Damn it. I was going to wait for the trade, but all the love it's getting here, I'm gonna see if I can just get the whole thing today. Get some fat kid chips, some fat kid coke and just do it up right.
Steverodgers
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:04:23 PM
you might have a particular sensitivity to the last chapter

;-)

optimous, the issue isn't that there needs to be more...
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:05:43 PM
...minority super-heroes, the issue is if the ones who do exist only exist as racial and ethnic stereotypes. And unfortunately, I think the majority of them do - they are only there because they are black or Native Americans and not because they are real people or characters.

However, I do think that Power Man and the Falcon do transcend being just token representatives of their race. Their dialogue, attitudes and backgrounds might have been very cliched but I think the writers had an idea for a character that happened to be black, instead of coming up with a the idea they needed a black character and than coming up with an idea.

Optimus
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:16:14 PM
Wasn't that Buckycap?
Continentalop
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:19:19 PM
I completely agree, although I would argue that both those characters were completely intended to be black. Sam Wilson as the "new" face of America for a World War Two Cap to maybe distance him from the prevalent feelings of his time. And Power Man as a response to the whole 70's era, urban crimefighter, blacksploitation/kung fu (Iron Fist) thing.

That being said, I believe both characters have grown well past those beginnings.
Maybe Joen
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:20:08 PM
My knowledge of Cap is pretty thin. Just never my bag.

Last time I'll try being saucy.

Steve
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:20:25 PM
Go get Old Man Logan. Give in. Surrender yourself to the Millar-side.
Optimus
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:21:26 PM
I was asking, because I've only glanced at the preview and thought maybe they said definatively later on.
SPEAKING OF PREVIEWS!!!
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:22:03 PM
X-men forever, anyone?

Suuuuuuuuuuuuck y!
wouldn't mind seeing more diversity
by crazybubba
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:23:05 PM
in comic characters and in writers and behind the scenes talent. Bug do you really think they backed off American Eagle because they were afraid of the backlash? I doubt it.
Maybe not in that specific case, no,
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:26:03 PM
but I'm sure cultural sensitivity was discussed on the editorial level.
Joen
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:33:52 PM
don't have a clue man, you hooked me with that as a definitive statement.
The first two issues of "Crossed"
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:37:00 PM
sickened me. I knew it was going to be terribly violent. I didn't expect to see a tiny little girl hacked in half with a kitchen cleaver while both her parents were raped from behind - dad while his intestines spilled onto the ground and mom with her brain exposed. It's just too much. It's showing off, only to turn on the sickos and turn off those who don't have the stomach. It's Garth Ennis at the worst of his basic instincts. Or maybe I'm just a big weakling.
Who knows...
by Ambush Bug
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:39:05 PM
I think a lot of major companies just don't want to go there and write stories about certain groups because it causes the least amount of trouble for them. If you had to work hard to write a story then run it by a panel of lawyers or civil rights groups to make sure that it won't be deemed offensive to a particular race or culture, I'm thinking that the easiest way to get around that is just to not write stories about that culture. I'd love to see a Native American team book set on the Res. Refugees of the Registration Act finding their way around Osborn's reign. And there are tons of cool Native American characters in the Marvel U; Puma, Black Crow, American Eagle, Red Wolf, Dani Moonstar, James Proudstar, Shaman, Talisman. All amazing characters with cool powers and distinct personalities that I would love to read about, but would a comic like that ever happen? Doubtful? Is it because writing the book would mean you'd be under the watchful eye of Native American rights folks? Maybe. Maybe writing under those constraits is too much pressure for writers. Just hypothesizin' here, but if I knew that I had to be extra cautious every time I wrote a story in fear of offending someone or some other kind of backlash, I'd shy away from writing that type of story.
Several of those characters are in regular use.
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:45:55 PM
And Scalped takes place on the Rez. The point is, they don't all need to be wearing Mocassins while smoking peace pipes, which I think Marvel is actually pretty good at, but I also think that explains the missing headdress. Awareness.
Hey Joenathan.....
by DrMorbius
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:53:58 PM
..Have you turned into a Frog Yet?
Joe
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
01:57:19 PM
No, I agree. I think they were intended to be black from the beginning, but I also think they were intended to be more than just "black."

Luke Cage actually came out before the entire blackpoitation movement - hell, he came out before Shaft. So I don't think the creators intent was to make a blackpoitation hero but instead make a hard boiled hero from the streets, and if you are making al hero from the streets at that time it would only make sense that he would be black man.

The same with the Falcon. Yes, I think Kirby said he wanted Cap to team up with somebody he never would have teamed up in the Golden Age, but I don't think he just said I will make him an arbitrary black man. I think he thought of a good character who life has been shaped because he is black. Personal Note: I hate that Englehart added the back story that he was once 'Snap' Wilson - pimp. Instead of being a virtuous American who was black, he had to be an ex-pimp and drug dealer whose personality is changed by the Red Skull and the Cosmic Cube. That is just stereotyping at it's worse.

I agree about Falcon, Continentalop
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:02:18 PM
That was a really dumb idea. Reminds me of how Stalker from G.I. Joe was a gangbanger before he joined the army. Couldn't he have just been kid who enlisted? I guess originally he was in Vietnam, so he would probably have been drafted, but you get the point.
Bug
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:02:33 PM
Once again I don't think the dilemma is that you can't have Native American characters who are based or have ties to there culture, I just think that when every Indian character is like that it is a little bit annoying. I mean, I am from Minnesota originally and while we are far from an oppressed group, if every Minnesota character in a movie, book, TV show or comic book character talked like a refuge from Fargo and was just a Swede who liked to ice fish, than I could see were it could get annoying.

By the way, why isn't there a super-hero in Minnesota? Damn it I want the Golden Gopher and Captain You Betcha defending the damn Twin Cities.

Stalker never bothered me rev_skarekroe
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:05:49 PM
I guess because he fits the old army legend about people coming to the army and bettering themselves. It also reminds me a little bit of Ben Grimm leaving the Yancy Street Gang for college football and than the Marines.

Plus, they revealed he was an ex-gang leader on his first bio if I remember right, so it isn't like it came out of the blue. And he is the one who made the choice to change his life - he didn't need a magic box to alter reality to make him change.

Continentalop, I don't think it was arbitrary
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:14:54 PM
I think it was on purpose, but yeah, I'm with you. I didn't know Luke Cage came first, though. Huh, thats cool. Not what I expected. As for Snap... yeah... terrible, but then, I think that is a great illustration of why great characters like American Eagle sit on the shelf so long, new creators look at them and have trouble seeing the good stuff past the gross (albiet unintentional and a product of its time) insensitvity, so they go... pass. I mean, I wonder how many Frenchman would want to use Batroc the Leaper?
Captain You Betcha's battle cry:
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:16:24 PM
OOOOOOh, Jeez! (punch)
The Ol' Man Logan story arc
by theycallmemrtibbs
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:25:13 PM
Is some of the best if not THEE best shit they are doing with Wolverine nowadays. Its a shame you will NEVER see this story turned into a movie.
Must have gotten the words mixed up...
by DrMorbius
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:26:51 PM
...that Psynapse told me to say

How about now? Are you a Frog now?

Old man letdown
by steverodgers
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:33:41 PM
The shop only had the last two issues, so I had to order the rest. So I have to wait till next Friday to mainline Millar and find out what OD was hinting at. Next Friday is going to be awesome.
No
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:36:36 PM
Although, I think I can jump higher... but... no. No, I'm not
Steve
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:38:07 PM
Its a lot of fun and McNiven is fantastic.
Damn...
by DrMorbius
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:38:26 PM
..This Sorcery shit is really hard...

Must purchase more eye of newt...

Is the guy that writes Scalped Native American?
by kungfuhustler84
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:47:04 PM
Because that book is brilliant.
Optimus
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:54:11 PM
The current Wolverine storyline starts with issue #65? Just verifying before I visit the comic shop.

Thanks for the heads up.
Big ups to Darth Baytor
by MrPasty
Jun 3rd, 2009
02:56:10 PM
For the Batān Shi no Kōshin reference. Nothing opens a review like a Japanese war crime. Kudos! My only gripe is that I had vaulted a Trail of Tears reference for future use -- that I must now abandon due to the similarities...
Snook
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:00:37 PM
#66, but you can tell pretty easy by the look.
Joenathan
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:11:25 PM
Thanks -- I'll give it a shot.
By the way, is the Wolverine story
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:14:56 PM
an alternate reality thing? Imaginary tale? Or is it just the way things shake out for real? -- at least "comic book" real, that is.
VD_Furnier, "I've got to keep it real"
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:16:40 PM
Yeah, real stupid.

(Apologies to Chris Rock)

On Indian characters/ mascots etc.
by DeckardBladeRunner
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:18:02 PM
As a long time Illinois Fighting Illini Fan, and person of scottish descent, Id like to weigh in on the whiny sensitive crowd here about oh my gosh an indian character-. I love the CHIEF ILLINIWEK, however, the PC crowd, the handout crowd and the I'm offended crowd made it so lousy to have to deal with the bitching and whining about a proud image that glorified Indians, and was in fact given to the U of I by the Indian Tribes in the formative days of the University (that tribe no longer exists- the Illini, so who is offended? etc.). The CHIEF was a great way for people to see and learn about a great people with a wonderful tradition, he in no way demeaned or disrespected Native Americans, and if I was a NA, I would be excited to see an image of my people looking as cool and loved as much as the CHIEF. However, now- thanks to the above mentioned PC crowds, he is gone, relegated to history, and you know what, GOOD RIDDANCE. Now all of the parasites have to go away, and there is a little bit less exposure for the NA people, thanks to their constant whining, a positive image for that group is gone. Frankly at this point it was a relief to stop hearing the endless whining, please- go away. So I had to laugh when a Native American Comic character automatically offends- are native americans embarrassed by the mere image of a native american, wearing a native american style of historic clothes? Im scottish so should I be offended by the image of a man in a kilt? It's absurd, and tiring, and like the one poster said above, who would want to do a cool native american super hero team, good lord the whining would be THROUGH THE ROOF. Please make an IRISH AND SCOTTISH TEAM OF HEROS, kilts, drunk leprechauns and all, the Scotts and Irish may be able to not be offended and have fun seeing their cultures in action. If this offends you, too bad, you probably offend me. WAH!!!
That was awesome
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:19:24 PM
Like a retard blitzkrieg or something.
Snook
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:20:51 PM
I think its a classic X-men "possible" future or just a big "what if". I believe the Hooded Man in Millar's FF is Old Man Logan years later.
Complaining about PCism
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:22:24 PM
Is just saying you are upset you can't say nigger and wetback any longer.

By the way, when people say the PC crowd are a bunch of whiners, aren't they whining about them? Just a thought.

Yeah, I know it was a conscious decision for Stalker...
by rev_skarekroe
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:24:49 PM
...to better himself. That's cool. I think my problem is just that he's the first black Joe, and he's also an ex-criminal. Couldn't they have made the rhyming, body-massage loving chef be the first black Joe?
I'd like to think we were just hit by a coupla clever trolls.
by SleazyG.
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:25:27 PM
But deep down, I know the truth is we were just hit by a coupla guys so dirt stupid their moms have to remind them to breathe.
Your counter-argument would hold more weight VD
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:26:28 PM
If you wrote "YOU'RE the stupid one." But since I have typos and grammar errors all the time as well, I can't mock you there.

| But any man you says ASBAR is the epitome of Batman doesn't really have a leg to stand on.

rhyming, body-massage loving chef be the first black Joe
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:27:51 PM
I don't know why, but the image of a Joe singing "My Chocolate Balls" just makes me laugh.
The term PC is the biggest Straw Man
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:31:59 PM
And the only one who seems to be a crybaby seems to be you VD_Furnier. Last I looked, the debate about this was pretty rational and polite. That was until you and Dekard showed up to cry and whine.
VD_Furnier
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:35:18 PM
"You're"

Call Alanis
You AND Dekard
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:36:53 PM
because they're two different people...
Deckard and Furnier need a sitcom
by kungfuhustler84
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:41:36 PM
Where they sit in their apartment in the Midwest and throw water balloons out the windows at all the "different" people, and don't get invited to anyone's birthday party.

Nobody's being a crybaby about being PC either. There are just certain abhorred trends from the past that have always stemmed from the ignorance of certain parties, and the false assumptions they make about things they lack the ability to understand.

Frank Miller WISHES he was awesome as Grant Morrison
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:42:57 PM
thats what he told me, at least
Cont and Rev
by steverodgers
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:43:31 PM
If you haven't already, check these out, not exactly ryhming g.i. Joe chef, but pretty close and they are hilarious:http://tinyurl.com/2 lgqgr
Furnier
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:46:47 PM
Taste is not an indication of intelligence. One can be bright and love absolute shit. You appear to be not unintelligent, in spite of your horrible grammAr (not mEr) and spelling. However, if you think ASBAR is any good at all, you clearly have little taste. You do realize it's a parody, don't you? That Miller has gone so far over the top that he's just having fun with the memes and tropes he helped develop 25+ years ago? That he doesn't really consider it canon with "Year One"? Or maybe that he does, but he is a total coke-head freak, as many claim?

I guess what I'm saying is that you look like the Marvel fans who screamed 20 years ago when Groo moved to Epic, because it spoiled their oh-so-serious Marvel line. Take a breath, fella, before your lungs implode. They're comic books, and silly ones.

So it's clear, I didn't like Morrison's Batman work, but I will give "Batman and Robin" a look.

So explain MAtter Eater Lad
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:47:51 PM
How the fuck does that work? I dont read LOSH, whats his deal? Can he possibly be as lame as he sounds?
Miller and a "more real Batman"
by kungfuhustler84
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:48:24 PM
How is a man adopting an orphan from the circus and taking him in his underwater car to a giant cave realistic? You sir, are a clown of the highest caliber.

And it's "know" not "now." If you're going to berate people the least you could do is present yourself in a manner that at least suggest intelligence. You're getting nowhere fast ranting at people. And what exactly do you mean by Silver Age? Is there a certain style or tone you are referring to? Basically, your whole argument lacks clarity and your writing is atrocious.

Please do not procreate.

Batman myth
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:49:17 PM
Let me dispel a commonly held myth about the Batman beginnings. While it's true that Batman was originally conceived as a dark, brooding character (Detective #27, May 1939), he only stayed that way for 11 issues -- less than a year.
In April, 1940, Robin the Butt Buddy was introduced and the whole character of Batman changed into the Silver Age-ish smiling mentor that fanboys deride so much. And -- he stayed that way until 1970 when Denny O'Neill took the character back to his roots.

So most of the formative years of Batman were NOT as the vengeful psychopath he's written as today. To say that Batman was envisioned as a dark character is being fairly selective and ignoring about three decades of development that run counter to that idea.
Oh, and Miller's a closet racist
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:49:39 PM
though he probably doesn't realize it. He thinks Arabs and Muslims are by nature, backwards and prone to violence. That's pretty clear in "Martha Washington Dies," though he carefully avoids any trigger words.
Old MAn Logan
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:49:43 PM
Never said it wasnt a fun story, for the record, just that it was retarded and you need to shut off your brain to enjoy it. Having said that, I'll be hitting up my spot by the Barnes and Noble comic rack reading the last chapter of the story. Hypocrisy, thy name is Goose.
Morrison is flawed
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:51:58 PM
but he still makes Frank Miller look like dogshit. Miller is the definitive, architypical one trick pony, the alpha and omega of one-trick-ism. Morrison actually has a million tricks, thats his only flaw. He has so many tricks he cant contain them all sometimes.
DennisMM-Crossed
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:54:03 PM
you arent a big weakling, its Ennis drained of all his sense of humor and fun, leaving only his freakshow Arseface base instincts.
Feeding the troll
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:54:46 PM
are you guys really playing into feeding the troll? Didnt you learn from the Sector debacle a few months back?
Matter Eater Lad
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:55:03 PM
Well, lets say he's hungry, right? Well, Matter Eater Lad can go: "You gonna eat that tire?" and when everybody goes: "No." Its Dinner time! And then, his super powered intestines can digest it! DA-DA-DAH! SUPER-HERO!
Miller was a great man
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:56:17 PM
but that was another time, before he believed his own hype. He's not dogshit, by any means. He's played out. If he'd try something different, like the Jesus project he's talked about for years, maybe his work would rise to the level it once reached.
Sorry VD
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:56:38 PM
but Frank is a close friend of mine (see how I call him Frank?) and he wrote me in a private e-mail about how much he envies Morrison. Next tim know what you are talking about before you speak.
ROFL that sounds awesome
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:56:53 PM
So like, lets say some guy is robbing a bank. Couldnt he just pull out his gun and shoot Matter Eater Lad? Would MEL eat the bullet? Or try to eat the gun? Where does the matter go when he eats it? Does he drop a deuce of pure energy? More importantly, how does DC editorial allow these ideas to survive?
Matter Eating Lad is the greatest thing ever
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:58:11 PM
No really. The guy can eat anything. He is like the high school geek who would eat his pencil times a 1000. He is hours and hours of entertainment for the other Legionnaires

Plus, think how many times the heroes are fighting a villain or some robots or are in a death trap and you think "To bad they can't just eat their way out." Well, problem solved.

DennisMM
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:58:32 PM
Dark Knight Returns is indeed awesome, Im not denying it. In fact, tis TOO awesome, Miller poured every cool idea and theme he had into that story. He had nothing left after that, unfortunately hes kept writing for another 25 years.
Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
03:59:49 PM
I think I can remember him eating bullets once, it was a cover of an old LoSH.
The Kid doesnt suck
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:00:01 PM
Sorry hatas, but the Kid is on a streak of at least one rock solid review a week for a few weeks now.
I want to see Matter Eater Lad and Power Girl team up
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:01:25 PM
If he can, as touted, eat anything.
VD, do you even know what PC means?
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:01:33 PM
Plus, TDK's Batman didn't kill, so he isn't that "dark". And Chris Nolan is obviously a PC kind of guy, hence a mob council that is conveniently composed of one member of each race.
Officially ignoring the troll now
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:02:36 PM
Laughing at his repeated inaccurate jibes, then moving on.
Matter Eater Lad
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:02:59 PM
How do you discover that you have that power? Man... I could really go for some tin foil right bout now... And seriously, I don't remember, does he do anything else or does he seriously just eat weird shit. the LEgion will let anyone have a flight ring.
By the way Joe
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:03:00 PM
my earlier point was this: I cant separate DKR from the fact that every story Miller has written SINCE that day has been simply that story regurgitated. You seem to have a better ablity then me to peel off the story from its creator. You can get past the last page of Wanted and enjoy Kickass independently of the fact that Millar is writing it, I have a tougher time with that. Just clarifying my earlier post, not a diss, just a difference of outlook.
OK, serious Matter Eater time
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:05:57 PM
I remember one issue of the LSH where he eat through a futuristic light pole or something so it would fall and land on someone. So it is not completely useless, just kind of - well, just kind of useless.

Hey , if the Imperial Guard was a LSH spoof, did they ever make a Matter-Eater Lad counterpart?

Ah, I see said the blind man.
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:08:32 PM
yes, Goose, that is true. I do the same thing with actors. I don't want to hear them talk or anything, just shut up and dance for me. Its like Vigo Mortenson. While I mostly agree with his views, I don't need fucking Aragorn telling me anything... however, I can usually let that stuff slide in order to enjoy their work. This is why I can read Miller (Frank). Honestly, though, Millar doesn't bother me that much... well, War Heroes did, but that was because of its terrible execution and inability to stay on schedule... and it was bad.
Matter-Easter Lad's
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:09:41 PM
power is genetic. His people settled a world with little (no?) conventional foodstuffs and developed the ability to ingest (including masticating) and digest any substance. These people came from the planet ... Bismoll. Don't blame me; blame Jerry Siegel for creating him.

His power has come in very handy. Once he stopped a massive crisis (not Crisis) by eating the Miracle Machine. It drove him insane, but he stopped the crisis!

Matter Eater Lad
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:12:44 PM
"If... I... can... just (munch, munch) eat through this...(munch, munch) lightpole in time!... (munch, munch) Yes! Oh shit, he left..."
Actually, TDK is based on Denny O'Neil's interpretation of Batma
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:18:20 PM
As well as Leob's, but I see little influence of Miller in it save for the ending at the bridge.

Does Batman have hard boiled VO like The Dark Knight Returns or Batman Year One? No.

Is he a dark, grim, humorless man like in ASBAR? No.

Is he willing to kill? No.

Does he enjoy inflicting pain and hurting people? No

Does he have no personal life outside of being Batman? No (Miller's Batman is that he is only Batman, here Bruce Wayne is an actual persona and not just a mask - just ask Rachel).

Does he actually have any sort of romantic feelings for someone else and have any sort of relationships outside of people he knows as Batman? Yes, Rachel.

Is he troubled and bothered by his actions, constantly debating the merits of what he is doing? Yes - like O'Neil's and Leob;s version

Yeah!
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:22:56 PM
It is time for Morrison's decades old reign of terror to come to an end! Go jerk off, you jerk offs!
Actually, I like Matter Eater Lad
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:23:02 PM
To me if you can handle Matter-Eater Lad you've got to be a pretty laid back person. Anyone who gets to worked up about how useless he is on the LSH should take a step back and think - here is a team of super-heroes in the future who have a rule that when you turn 20 you are kicked out. It isn't something that should be taken seriously.

Plus, when Jim Shooter was writing it in the past he actually wrote down these little character profiles and basically said that a couple of members were only on the team because sex, like Dream Girl ("Everyone knows her powers are useless, but she is good in the sack") and Triplicate Girl ("Instant foursome" or some shit like that).

A nice rundown, Continental
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:24:03 PM
I've been reading Batman comics since 1970, when a friend shared a big pile of beat-up books he had. Through the '70s I saw great reprints of Golden and Silver Age stories that portrayed Batman in light-hearted and darker ways, depending upon the needs of the story. I saw the Super Sons, with Bats as a doting father but still the avenger of crime. I read the stories of the Haneyverse in "The Brave and The Bold," which often bore little relationship to other concurrent versions. And you know what? They could ALL be good, in different ways, just as Adam West is good in his way, Michael Keaton is good in his way, and even George Clooney can be good if you want a laugh and play along. Batman is a character with vast possibilities. It's fun to see creators play with them.
What's that buzzing in my head?
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:27:07 PM
No, I remembered my last dose of the antipsychotics. Maybe it's the ranting by someone who seems to have skipped his.
Thanks Dennis
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:31:03 PM
I'm the same way as you - I've basically bought or gone back and got a bunch of Batman comics through out the different eras. So I can see where it is similar and when it is radically different.

And I am not knocking Miller - he obviously had a huge impact on the direction of Batman in the last 20-some years, just like Moore did with the Joker. But I think people forget that it was O'Neil who brought back the crime/detective element to Batman, just like it was Englehart who really made the Joker back into a psychotic villain (of course, O'Neil started the trend back).

As for Morrison, I actually appreciate more what he tried to do than what he actually accomplished. It is hard to bring many of those Silver Age elements back into a modern comic book, but he did somehow manage to bring the Club of Heroes/Batmen of Many Nations into the modern Batman Universe and make them work (now if somebody could do that with the "Green Arrows of Many Nations").

Time for my monthly plea
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:32:55 PM
For them to make the Penguin into a great villain again. Please, someone make a Penguin who can give Joker a run-for-his-money as Batman's deadliest foe!
Matter Eater Lad
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:32:58 PM
So, seriously though, he just eats stuff, he doesn't turn it into explosive gas or anything?
Joenathan
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:34:15 PM
You got it. And his teeth can bite through anything. And he can do it at hyper-speed.
Read his name Joenathan!
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:35:07 PM
It is Matter Eater Lad, not Matter Eater Turn It Into Explosive Gas Lad!
I bet he does turn it into explosive gas,
by Joenathan
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:40:59 PM
I know I do.
I think I know who VD is
by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:43:30 PM
There is a guy on a webcomics forum that I frequent that is always going on about how great ASSBAR is. He could be one in the same I'm thinking.
Nah ...
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:43:36 PM
Bismollians don't fart.
And Adam West is the best Batman
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:46:34 PM
He is the most accurate and faithful Batman, representing the Batman of 1955 to 1967 perfectly. Everyone loves to mock West, but really the character at that time was a joke - fighting aliens, wearing rainbow-colored costumes, teaming up with cheesy Batman clones, mites and hounds, and trading puns with all of his villains.

Without Adam West pushing the camp level of Batman in the sixties as far as you could, DC probably never would have decided to go back to his Golden Age roots, and if that happened we probably would be talking about how in Chris Nolan's Batman the joker & his partner King Tut flung a giant pie at the city but luckily the Dynamic Dou and Bat-Mite stopped him.

Actually, if the Adam West show hadn't sparked Batman's popularity again they were going to cancel the comic, and maybe Batman would be in the same boat as Plastic Man and Captain Marvel are in now.

Boy, that King Tut
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
04:56:16 PM
what a hoot. People who attack the Adam West program seem to forget that beneath the camp there was more than a little sinister material. Those villains weren't just interested in knocking out the Dynamic Duo so the Caped Crusader and Boy Wonder were out of the way. No, those colorful criminals wanted to *kill* Batman and Robin as much as many contemporary characters do. Bright colors couldn't disguise the darkness behind the glitter in other areas, either. Bruce Wayne's personal life was empty, because he couldn't be involved with someone who might be a target of criminals. Dick sometimes bemoaned the difficulty of a double life. And the Joker's mustache was plain scary.
DennisMM, re=Adam West's Batman
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:05:05 PM
The thing I love about it is that they had this great formula which they used every time. And part of the formula was they always put the Dynamic Dou is some sort of horrible death trap, because you know shooting them just isn't as flashy as putting them in a giant hour glass or having them mauled by lions and tigers. The villains were basically serial killers who had to kill people with their signature or else they couldn't get off on it!

Next movie Batman better be in a death trap.

WHOMP
by SleazyG.
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:11:25 PM
goes Trollnir, the mighty banhammer!
As Dr. Evil pointed out to Scott
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:13:24 PM
You can't just shoot them!
The only problem with the removal
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:14:29 PM
is that our posts now look as if we're talking to people who don't exist. LOL
Continentaltop
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:19:38 PM
Agreed, except the campy character can actually be traced back to 1940, less than a year after his inception (see my Batman Myth post above).
Continentalop
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:20:50 PM
Not Continentaltop. Can we have an edit function in this joint, please?
Snookeroo
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:22:57 PM
The introduction of Robin didn't take away all the dark elements, but it is a valid place at which to argue the introduction of the easy-going Batman. However, I think I agree with ConOp; the Silver Age moved beyond lighthearted into WEIRD, with aliens and other dimensions. That weirdness, in a toned-down version, was on display in the Adam West TV program.

On the other hand, the Golden Age brought us "The Color Crimes of Crazy Quilt!", so you have a point. Any time B&R take on a villain the Boy Commandos can handle, we're talking lightweight.

i know there's a lot of frank miller hate on these pages
by crazybubba
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:24:36 PM
but he was the first person i've read (Sin City) who knew how to use grenades properly as a weapon. grenades are a really effective weapon that just don't get used properly enough in comics and movies.
Crossed
by MasterBaytor
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:31:47 PM
If not caring about (or even knowing the name of) a victim in a horror comic is bad writing, then LIVING DEAD (which I've just started reading)is a giant piece of shit... only it's not. It's quite good, but in the first four volumes, there's only a few well-developed characters, a couple of notable personalities/looks (guy with hat, bitching wife, etc.), and lots of folks who get whacked whose major bit of characterization is "the farmer's other daughters". In CROSSED, the scene at the end of #1 is there to show you what the Crossed do (underscoring what the text already has told you) and how far the book will go. This the fate that awaits the other, better developed characters if they fail. The movie BOUND did the same thing, showing a guy (whom we don't care about or remember his name) getting his finger cut off, which is there to demonstrate what happens to people who cross the villain and how far the film makers are willing to go. CROSSED has some major problems, but whacking a few no-names in the first issue isn't it.
Snook, Dennis
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:33:22 PM
Yeah, I have to agree with you snook that Batman really hadn't been this Dark Knight everyone says he was for long. But like Dennis says, the addition to Robin didn't really completely get rid of the dark elements. I mean, Robin was his sidekick the first time he met the Joker and went he met the original Clayface (crazed psycho basically), and Robin's origin itself is pretty dark (parents murdered, gets revenge by causing the death of the gangster responsible).

For me, the Golden Age Batman was at least one character, but in 1954 after the Seduction of Innocence he became a completely different character. That was when they introduced Batwoman, Batgirl, Ace the Bat Hound, Clayface II, Dr. Double X, Mr. Zero (later Mr. Freeze), and had issues where we see Batman, Robin and Superman on a bicycle built for three.

Crossed
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:36:35 PM
The problem isn't killing those characters. It's how they were killed and the general tone of the book. For me, it's a waste of paper and ink. YMMV, of course.
This reminds me of a debate
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:38:37 PM
We were having in another TB where you can see this strange dichotomy between Batman and Captain America: Captain America will kill but he would never torture like using waterboarding; Batman, however would never kill no matter what but he would be willing to torture and even waterboard someone if he thought it necessary - in the Dark Knight he throws Eric Roberts off a building to get him to talk, but he could never kill him or the Joker (despite the rumors, he did not throw him off because he is Eric Roberts).
Crossed--I See & Acknowledge The Point
by MasterBaytor
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:44:49 PM
I think that final image could have been better handled... hearing that zombies are raping people proves to be a bit more effective than showing it, which ends up coming across a bit comic... especially if you have one character calling the other an asshole at the same time. But since then, there's only been one panel that goes half that far... the rest of the violence is pretty much what you'd expect from a zombie book, with the text conveying the most disturbing images.
Thats why
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:46:56 PM
Batman will never be as cool as Cap, IMHO. Continental just summed it up in one sentence.
As the father of......
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:50:33 PM
a 2 year old, that final image went pretty fuckin far enough. Lou Reed in 1975 made "Metal MAchine Music", a double album (DOUBLE, mind you) of nothing but feedback squeals and industrial noise. It sucks as bad as it sounds like it would, and despite an artsy pretentious minority who at the time called it some kind of artistic statement, over time it has come to be seen as the worst album ever made. The point is, because you CAN do something doesnt mean you SHOULD, and it damn sure dont make it art.
As the father of......
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:50:36 PM
a 2 year old, that final image went pretty fuckin far enough. Lou Reed in 1975 made "Metal MAchine Music", a double album (DOUBLE, mind you) of nothing but feedback squeals and industrial noise. It sucks as bad as it sounds like it would, and despite an artsy pretentious minority who at the time called it some kind of artistic statement, over time it has come to be seen as the worst album ever made. The point is, because you CAN do something doesnt mean you SHOULD, and it damn sure dont make it art.
DennisMM, Continentalop
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:51:53 PM
Good observations -- I'd agree that the Silver Age Batman probably started about 1950; my point, moreso, I think, was that there seems to be this common misconception in fandom that Batman was a dark, gritty character up until the Adam West series, and it just ain't so.

The 1950's Batman was indeed pretty weird -- alien Batman and so forth. Wasn't Jack Schiff a science fiction buff at heart? Or was that Mort Weisinger? Or both? Combine that with the fact that the 50's was a science fiction decade, and there you go.
Batman's Ace in the hole
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:53:32 PM
is not himself, but his rogues gallery, unquestionably the deepest, most notorious, and best in comics. Cap is a far cooler and all around better character, but his rogues gallery sucks balls. The Red Skull, thats pretty much it.
The CROSSED Covers
by MasterBaytor
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:54:23 PM
Are often worse than anything in the book. I keep waiting to read somebody bitching about the book because they bought it because of the cool cover and turns out it's just a bunch of people talking for 22 pages.
Isnt it funny
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:55:20 PM
how GL has pretty much ceased to exist as a relevant character on these boards? We get a Green Lantern review, and literally not a single person even mentions it. That says to me that every is pretty burned out on the Rainbow Brite theme.....or maybe just doesnt feel like talking about it? (shrugs)
Tokenism, OML and Magic
by Homer Sexual
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:55:45 PM
I don't know if I have a problem with the whole "token" thing anyway. I think it's better to have some tokens than total homogeniety. I mean, Northstar is a token gay, but at least it gives homo me a homo superhero. Ultimate Colossus is the best gay comic character, though.

It's like Reality TV. Mostly white but various reps: old person, hottie, jock, homo, and an increasing number of non-whites. Because, well, I think many comic readers are non-white, certainly on the coasts, but most writers are still white, and writers write what they know.

Not gonna buy Old Man Logan until it is completely finished and still getting a lot of love.

Noooo, Psynapse, don't make me defend Joe, but he's not homophobic. I loved Seven Soldiers, and I generally love Zatanna. Also, even more, Scarlet Witch. I like Wiccan, Nico Minoru and Dr. Strange and Hellblazer, so I guess I am fond of the magic users.

Goose, you forgot two great Cap Foes
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:56:51 PM
Arnim Zola and MODOK. A guy with a head on his chest and a giant head on a flying chair will always, always be cool.

I would also say Baron Blood, because vampires are evil, and Nazis are evil, but a vampire Nazi? Whoaaa daddy....

CROSSED
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
05:59:28 PM
I guess I am becoming a prude in my old age. The idea of raping zombies just doesn't send me.
Metal Machine Music
by DennisMM
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:02:06 PM
has also been interpreted as a giant "fuck you" to Reed's record label, to which he owned a couple of albums but with whom he had terrible relations and off which he desperately wanted, from reports. Or it was all a joke. Or he was so stoned his ears didn't work. Pick your version. But I read your point exactly, gooseud. I found that image wholly gratuitous and shocking. Perhaps it was meant to drive off people like me, for whom "Preacher" and "Punisher" were a walk in the park.
V.I.C.I.
by MrPasty
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:06:00 PM
Doesn't it bother anyone else that SMALL WONDER totally copied the Terminator movie? A year hadn't even gone by and suddenly Tiffany Brissette is talking like Arnold. And she cut her teeth on Webster, which is the rip-off to end all rip-offs! Back-to-back hack! Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!
I...uh...actually kind of like Metal Machine Music
by seppukudkurosawa
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:24:20 PM
Or at least I like quite a few of the industrial bands it inspired. I'll still play the record every now and then. At least, FAR more often than I'll play production line crap like Sally Can't Dance. I even remember giving it a few spins a few years back when I was revising, and it worked as surprisingly good background music.

I remember reading Lou Reed saying in a Lester Bangs interview how he fit in tons of classical riffs in there, but that sounds like the kind of bogus statement a speed freak might shoot off. However, I do think he has a soft spot for the LP.

/end of hijack.

Dennis
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:29:02 PM
I'm with you 100%........Nothing in Preacher bothered me, I always felt Ennis was either making a statement, having some fun, or using shock value towards advancing the story, take your pick of any of the above 3 choices, or all of the above. You can argue if it worked, I suppose, for me it certainly did, I'm one of the bigger PReacher defenders on this board. There was a reason for the madness, 50% of which was Ennis having fun saying "can you believe I'm getting away with this??" (which was a blast the first time, now in The Boys etc, not so much). Crossed, on the other hand, all I can say is this: to what end?
The coolest gimmick in comics
by gooseud
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:33:54 PM
that no one ever uses nearly enough(FYI I'm trying to turn the discussion another way here, if I can): the villain swap. Who WOULDNT want to see the Riddler take on Supes? All of Superman's powers are useless unless he can figure out Riddler's twisted mind. Or Penguin vs. Flash? Or Captain Cold vs. Batman? or Red Skull vs the X-Men? Or Loki vs. Hulk? Or Mysterio vs. Wolverine (oh wait, that sucked balls). Would anyone NOT read any of the above-listed titled?
Wolvie Contnuity
by optimous_douche
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:41:46 PM
Considering 73 came out a few weeks before 72 (for shame...someone), I think it's safe to say Old Man Logan is merely what could have been.
American Eagle & Dr Strange
by ME_M
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:50:35 PM
The guy's name is (American) Eagle, of course he is going to be wearing feathers. If his name was African Swallow, then he'd be wearing a coconut instead. (Not sure what the Tasmanian Devil would look like.) Someone force these Dr. Strange writers to read what Roger Stern did back in the 80s. He made Stephen Strange interesting, and then added the magic (with limits) to make him kick-ass.
I'm waiting for BULLSEYE vs. POWER PACK, myself...
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Jun 3rd, 2009
06:53:54 PM
That should good for at LEAST 4 issues.
I like villain swaps EXCEPT
by Continentalop
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:07:37 PM
When it is a really weak hero taking on a powerful villain. Punisher vs. Dr. Doom should last, like, half a page. The exception to this is always fighting big powerhouses (Cap vs Dragon Man and Spider-Man vs. Juggernaut).

But when Daredevil took on Dr. Octopus was always one of my favorite. Same with Sasquatch taking on Super-Skrull.

Nice Green Lantern review!
by Crooooooow
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:08:28 PM
Doubt I coulda wrote something that nice at 8.
Short Halloween was more fun than any BND comic
by Tall_Boy66
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:49:56 PM
Can't find a single Brand New Day era Spidey comic that I loved more than Short Halloween. I love one-off throaways, esp. if they're executed with such perfection like this one. "I'm Spider-Man?" "I hate Halloween." "Me too."
Martha Washington Movie?
by Autodidact
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:54:44 PM
Someone upthread mentioned Martha Washington and I just realized I'd never pictured that as a movie before, but goddamn would that make one hell of a movie. Let the Wachowskis direct and you are in fucking business! Not to mention it's also basically a trilogy. Would be awesome to see another Dave Gibbons designed world be made real, especially since I'm all for a Martha Washington movie, while I was before and remain now opposed to the very concept of a Watchmen movie (like Alan Moore says, just let it be a fucking comic).
Although the best Spider-Man bit Hader did was on SNL this year
by Tall_Boy66
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:55:45 PM
It was the James Franco episode when he did William Dafoe. http://snltranscripts.jt.org/0 8/08bdafoe.phtml
Aliens
by PRbuick
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:57:34 PM
This is hardly Dark Horse's first foray into the Aliens franchise, but that write up sure makes it sound that way.
If American Eagle is the Native-American super hero
by Snookeroo
Jun 3rd, 2009
07:57:43 PM
Does that make White Swallow the gay hero?

*budda-bum*
Goldilock looks amazing
by kirttrik
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:29:50 PM
Beautiful illustrations. I'm worried that the story will be very similar to the upcoming AVATAR film though.
Marvel already did the 'villains sawp'
by the milf lover
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:41:18 PM
with Acts Of Vengeance some 20 years ago. The best story was Ann Nocenti's Daredevil (with the Inhumans) fighting Ultron, and DD only won because Ultron was having philosophical delusions about perfection and God and tried ripping his own head off, so DD just finished the job.

Nocenti and Romita Jr's entire run on DD is pure comic goodness. They also did the best Inferno tie-in.

err......... villains SWAP not sawp
by the milf lover
Jun 3rd, 2009
08:42:20 PM
Nocenti/Daredevil
by steverodgers
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:05:39 PM
The Nocenti DD run with JRJR is one of the most underrated/underappreciated runs in all of comics history. I wish they would omnibus that thing. The Inferno story where Daredevil rides the subway train into hell? That's good comic booking. All the Inferno stuff was mindboggling crazy good, and JRJR got better with every issue. I get happy just thinking about it, those issues got delivered in a (sometimes ) flat brown paper-wrapping right to my house, along with G.I. Joe and Cap – life was good.
Yes Nocenti JRJR Is Good Readin
by Autodidact
Jun 3rd, 2009
09:47:59 PM
Daredevil was really good for a few years in the late eighties and early nineties. There were other good periods but that is the stuff that was current when I got into comics hardcore in high school.
About The Falcon
by thelordofhell
Jun 3rd, 2009
11:05:33 PM
I seem to remember an Avengers story arc that had the government take over the Avengers and forced the Falcon to join. I thought that was one of the most racist things I've read in a comic.
wait....
by Lost Jarv
Jun 4th, 2009
04:03:56 AM
someone thinks Magic is real?
New Avengers
by Reelheed
Jun 4th, 2009
04:07:41 AM
I think its hilarious how marvel stick their neck out with a book by chucking in a few great old skool characters like Son of Satan only to have the book reviewed by an 8 yr old who has no idea who they are on one of the world most popular websites. Win.
Dr. Strange Is One Of My Favorite Characters
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 4th, 2009
04:50:50 AM
I don't blame the Kid for not liking him, though. I didn't like him much when I was a kid, except in the DEFENDERS. And before my time, STRANGE TALES was divided into two sections and two camps. As I understand it, half the kids bought it for the Nick Fury story and half bought it for Dr. Strange.

I'd like to see Dr. Strange protecting the Marvel Earth from mystic threats. I don't see his powers having much effect on the physical world, although they've often been portrayed that way. I also see him as being useless in a fight and Wong useless as well. That's why he occasionally needs the Defenders. Remember the Oath by BKV. He takes Wong to Night Nurse and runs into Iron Fist and Arachnae (or whomever the character was). I was thinking: Defenders line up right there.

I don't really care for the idea of Strange as an Avenger. The Avengers are the Popular Kids. The Defenders are the Outcasts. The mystics, the monsters, the loose ends, the thugs. They get together when they have to, then they split and others come in when they have to.

But I'm not a big advocate of Dr. Strange as Alan Moore/Warren Ellis/real magic (yeah, I really think it's real, too, guys). As a reader, with it being something to read, I don't find it too much fun.

Like most concepts, if you take it back to the original premise, you get the best starting point. Ditko, bay-bee, Ditko.

I would never do fan fiction. I've always said that if you're going to spend the precious, failing seconds of your life doing that, you might as well take a shot at doing it pro. And I've always felt that comic book writing takes a particular kind of writing talent(which doesn't seem to stop a lot of current writers or the editors who hire them) but I have a vague Defenders story floating around somewhere in case Marvel ever calls (because I ain't calling them, bay-bee). I use my three of my four favorite Marvel characters as they core of the team (sorry, nothing for Johnny Human Torch to do) with Nighthawk also in the mix. Dr. Strange battles a Japanese fox spirit summoned by the Hand, while the Black Widow fends off Hand ninja who would otherwise kill Doc, and the Hulk rips apart a giant plant monster made physical by Hand sorcery in a perversion of the Shintu religion. Doc doesn't cross his own line by bringing magic into the physical world (he lets the Hulk take out a good section of mid-town, instead). Most of the time, only the reader should ever know what Dr. Strange is doing ... I guess that's my point. I dunno.

And I Dig THE BRAVE & THE BOLD Batman
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 4th, 2009
05:01:04 AM
It's no less unrealistic than any other version. The character dresses up as a bat. Let's go nuts.

Actually, something with Bat-Mite and Ace the Bat Hound, that knows it's goofy is far less goofy than TDK. "Good, soldier." Yeah, like that's not goofy dialog once you've paid your taxes. Goofier than "Holy Jumping Crawdads" by far.

Captain America Villains
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 4th, 2009
05:12:58 AM
CA was traditionally a book that made excellent use of the shared Marvel Universe. I've seen Cap cross paths with the Scorpion, Stilt Man, the Living Laser, the Whirlwind, the Hellfire Club, the Kingpin, Bullseye and the Rhino, etc.

Mark Gruenwald introduced the concept of the Skull's Skeleton Crew. Crossbones, Mother Night, the Sleeper and that cyborg scientist I can't remember (or was he a robot? What does it matter what religion someone is?).

Who can forget the Serpent Society, either in their consistent eighties incarnation or the seventies original, lead by Sub Mariner villain Warlord Krang and smashed by the Nomad?

I like Cap against organizations like HYDRA, AIM, the Secret Empire, etc. Dr. Faustus (supervillain shrink) was always a fascinating concept. Also, Baron Zemo, Batroc and his Brigade (particuarily the version with Machete and that MASTER O' KUNG FU villain).

Fuck FINAL CRISIS Indeed
by LaserPants
Jun 4th, 2009
05:57:40 AM
I picked up Morrison's new Batman and Robin book; which hinges largely on Batman's "death" (soon to be revived as a Black Lantern no doubt), and though the Batman and Robin book was good, the fact that Batman's death was TOTALLY FUCKING RETARDED AND NONSENSICAL almost completely torpedoes any weight his death may have had. Same thing with this new Justice League series thats coming out - something about them trying to reassemble after the Final Crisis? The only problem being that Final Crisis, again, made almost no sense whatsoever; there was no weight to anything that was going on, and the whole WE ARE ALL DARKSEID just fell flat; at no time during reading that book did I feel any sense of urgency or danger; it just felt like random digressions about cooler stuff that we never actually get to see. Really it was an EPIC FAIL on every conceivable level -- an excellent premise COMPLETELY RUINED by Morrison's apparent mushroom binge he was on whilst writing it. Not that theres anything wrong with mushrooms or mushroom binges (lord knows I've done TONS of psychedelics), BUT theres something to be said for mixing the surreal with a coherent, engaging narrative. Final Crisis may go down in comics history as the WORST "Epic Event" ever.

All that said, I loved Superman: Beyond. God Armor Superman versus the Vampire God was super friggin' cool.
Eh, Final Crisis was still better than Secret Invasion
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
06:18:37 AM
Faults and all. Bad Morrison is still better than Bendis at the top of his game, and SI wasn't the top of anyone's game.
Speaking of Miller
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
06:24:23 AM
I don't know about the 'racist' stuff (I doubt he's any more of a racist than most human beings), but I'd been thinking recently about all the fucked up ideas he must have about women (I rented The Spirit, too-- worst film ever). In Daredevil, Sin City, ASBAR, DKR, hell, everything-- all his "strong" women are whores, prostitutes, S&M mistresses, etc., and the other women are just shrews. I think of Matt Murdock or Dwight or ASB kissing their woman in whichever comic and Miller's internal dialogue goes something like, "She's my fierce warrior. My Valkyrie. I can taste five different cocks on her breath. My warrior. My Valkyrie."

Somebody wrote it before, but I think 'The Spirit' is so bad, and such a naked revelation of Miller's extreme shortcomings and fetishes, that it requires a retroactive reevaluation of all his work, even those previously regarded as 'good.'

#2 in the talkbacks?
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
06:28:03 AM
Congratulations, you fucking assholes.
Gonna see if I can bump it up another spot
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
06:28:27 AM
Just... one... more... push...
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
06:28:56 AM
#1, baby
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
06:30:14 AM
Feels like this is some kind of first. Probably not, though.

Alright, back to doing something useful.

LOL awesome
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
06:39:06 AM
"5 Different cocks on her breath" was awesome, especially because it really sounds like cliched noir Miller bullshit.
fixing Doc Strange
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
06:40:30 AM
is the simplest problem in all of comics. Doc Strange should be awesome. He isnt. Why? Because Grant Morrison isnt writing him. That was the character Morrison was BORN to write. There, problem solved. I'll be here all week.
Gru's Cap run
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
06:45:24 AM
was one of my all time formative runs as a comic reader. Crossbones, intro of USAgent, Cap giving up the mask, all the Serpent Society stuff and the fact that Diamondback gave me a special feeling in my pants, one of the original Cap/Iron Man battles (even then Tony couldnt take him)......I'm not sure if it holds up today as I havent revisited it in a while, but back then it was gold
Magic Characters
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
06:49:52 AM
tend to be written morally ambiguously or weird, because writers cant deal with their powers. Zatanna, for example (FYI the hottest character in comics, forget Power Girl), why wouldnt she just say "Pots emirc lla"? I mean, thats her powers, right? They simply are nearly impossible for writers to use, because there is no upper milit or definition. So you end up with the Spectres of the world who have outside limits placed on them. Bottom line, if you arent a JMS/Ellis/Morrison level talent, your going to have a tough time of it.
The Ultimate Villian Swap
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
06:51:48 AM
Lex Luthor vs. Bats in a multi issue, multi arc death match.
Gru Cap
by steverodgers
Jun 4th, 2009
06:52:16 AM
Was the Cap of my youth. I loved every page. Even Cap-Wolf. Even Cap-Wolf.
Offensive Portrayals In Comics: Iron Man
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 4th, 2009
07:42:29 AM
Sometimes, it's just FUN to get drunk...
Oddly, Marvel Didn't Use Dr. Strange...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 4th, 2009
07:48:18 AM
...to capitalize on the whole Harry Potter craze a few years back. It's a little late now. Doc training young sorcerers could have had a magic X-Men vibe. But I don't think the Marvels That Be look too far outside of comics for inspiration or think about expanding the audience.

I know if I published comics right now, I'd have a book that featured a girl with a vampire boyfriend, but that's just me liking money and popularity and knowing I could cancel the thing at any second...

Machinesmith
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 4th, 2009
07:53:06 AM
That was the Skull's robot techie in CAPTAIN AMERICA. Was driving me crazy...
Buzz - Trend Comics
by steverodgers
Jun 4th, 2009
08:05:17 AM
That's the way comics used to be, and should be, sure you would get some crap, but sometimes you get Luke Cage and Iron Fist. Throw some new writers and artists at any new craze that comes down the pike and see what sticks.
MORE EXCLAMATION POINT OVERLOAD!!!!!!! YA!!!!!!!!!!!
by Xian042
Jun 4th, 2009
08:12:15 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Homer
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
08:40:12 AM
But you don't have to defend me from Psynapse, I am not worried about his perception or opinion of me. Thanks for the stand-up though.
Comics on top baby!
by kungfuhustler84
Jun 4th, 2009
08:41:07 AM
Goose and the coolest gimmick in comics
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
08:43:29 AM
Dude, the villian swap is the BASIS of Old Man Logan... look, just admit that the book is awesome. You know it is. ADMIT IT!
Optimus: 73 before 72
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
08:44:33 AM
It was because of the movie. It was Corporate mandate.
Brown paper subscriptions
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
08:49:52 AM
That was how my X-men subcription showed up, waaaaaay back before Fall of the Mutants... Also, my New Warriors subscription... Do you think the skateboard was a last minute add on to Night Thrasher. I remember the New Warriors vs. Gideon where Night Thrasher used it as a snomboard, so... where did he keep his trucks and wheels? Not to mention, that shit took forever to take off.
Laserhead
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
08:54:25 AM
Nice Miller dialogue. I've been saying it for awhile now. Miller has gotten so bad, so one note, that I actively avoid him just in case his current output taints my feelings toward DKR.
Strange
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
08:58:39 AM
I like Sleazy's "Only the reader should know what Strange is doing" and that the Defenders actully defend Strange from the Physical world. Thats a good take. Basically, I'd like some old Hellboy plots dumped into some Strange an the Defenders world.

I kind of fear Morrison on Strange though, now. Yeah, it seems like a perfect fit, but lately I've been thinking of Morrison the way I do David Lynch. Lynch built up this "visionary weird-o" rep, right? And then what happened. He started doing hings ONLY to see how weird an "out there" he could be and his narratives suffered BIg Time. And I'm afraid that if Morrison is cut loose on a comic where he is supposed to b weird, he'll spend too much time trying to be weird and all the reality, the nessecary human character of Strange needed in order to ground the reader in an alien world, would get buried.
Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
09:04:04 AM
I'm with you. That whole Cap becoming the Captain/D-Man/Diamondback/Serp ent Society/John Walker fucking flipping out and murdering bad guys/PLUS Iron Man and the Armor Wars time period was great. That was a time in my life when my only comic source was the Hallmark store near my Grandmother's house who seemed to have a grab-bag approach to the comics they received each month, but they got an entire rack of them. For like a year, that place was my Mecca. The rack was way in the back and I'd walk down there with $10 and gorge myself on comics (now a days$10 would get me two...) and despite the fact that they usually just got random titles, I somehow managed to snag the whole Captain/Serpeant Society/John Walker/Red Skull clone and the Iron War arc... That was some good shit.
Lynch to Morrison
by Homer Sexual
Jun 4th, 2009
09:13:18 AM
Not a bad comparison. Both started mainstream and then did more "out there" work. And the weird stuff is less popular than the more accesible.

But I think Lynch is way better with his weird stuff. Dune sucked, while Mulholland Drive is actually one of my all-time favorite movies, even though I don't really understand it. Seven Soldiers is my favorite Morrison, but Animal Man and AS Superman are also awesome, and all relatively mainstream.

D-Man Saga
by steverodgers
Jun 4th, 2009
09:16:27 AM
Not only was that whole time period great, but how awesome was it when Cap was infiltrating the wrestling ring where all the wrestlers were getting juiced by the Power Broker, and he meets D-Man, and they team up, and D-Man sews up an old daredevil costume knock-off with a Wolverine hat? So much good stuff. Battle Star! The Bloodstone hunt? Cap as Indiana Jones. All to be found at your local drug store with a can coke and some cool ranch Doritos, or delivered right to your door in brown paper sleeves! Huzzah!
So what's the verdict on Batman and Robin?
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
09:17:25 AM
Anybody?
Doctor Strange
by Redmantle
Jun 4th, 2009
09:19:29 AM
They've been screwing him up for years! And it is possible to do good stories with him- I've picked up some old stories featuring Dr. Strange from the 70's and he was cool. He was banging hot chicks (practicing tantra with them no less),defending the earth from threats from other dimensions, dealing with demons, etc. It's not hard to make him cool. Just takes some across the board consistency to limit and definite his abilities. They need to make a "Dr. Strange bible" for the Marvel office, discussing his abilities, because he surely needs one. Because magic is so... you can do anything with it... its even more important to have some viable restrictions. And Bendis... he doesn't know magic. He just doesn't. You need to have someone who is into fictional magic, maybe with a dash of "real world" occult knowledege to give it the added kick, to make Dr. Strange work.
RIP David Carradine
by chrth
Jun 4th, 2009
09:21:34 AM
Dr. Strange/Magic
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
09:22:37 AM
Steven Grant has a really cogent, intelligent analysis of magic and Dr. Strange in the latest Permanent Damage column. I'd offer my opinions, but he says it better.
No, David Caradine R.I.P.
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
09:25:01 AM
In which after being give weapons-grade meth his mind shuts down and reboots as 'Cane Dos V.2.0' and he dons Joseph's Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat and finds out he's really fighting Satan himself, or maybe just some guy. In the end he falls into a lake.
David Carradine
by WavingFlagsInSpace
Jun 4th, 2009
09:35:18 AM
A rope around his neck and balls? In Thailand? Discovered by a maid? Shurely shome mishtake?
Batman & Robin Fucking Awesome
by optimous_douche
Jun 4th, 2009
09:37:44 AM
Morrison needs Quitely. The man is like Morrison's patronus of sanity.

Finally Grant has dialed back the Wierdometer from bat shit crazy back to 11.

Yay we haven't been #1 in a while!!!
by Ambush Bug
Jun 4th, 2009
09:38:35 AM
And man, that sucks about David Carradine. I have an upcoming miniseries that will be released at the end of the year that I can't talk about that honors him...
The "reader should know what Strange is doing wasn't mine...
by SleazyG.
Jun 4th, 2009
09:50:36 AM
...it was Buzz's. Just wanna give the right guy credit, especially when it's Buzz.
Morrison Is WAY Better Than Bendis, I Agree Laserhead
by LaserPants
Jun 4th, 2009
10:15:10 AM
I generally can't friggin' stand Bendis, and I generally love Morrison, but SI was a more satisfying story, and Final Crisis was an Epic Fail.
It Was The 5 Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique
by LaserPants
Jun 4th, 2009
10:16:23 AM
Or, you know, a massive coke binge with whores.
Batman and Robin #1 Was Great!
by LaserPants
Jun 4th, 2009
10:18:43 AM
I really liked it, and I generally HATE Robin as a character, but I think Morrison/Quitly (sp?) hit it out of the park. They make a great team.
Batman and Robin
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
10:34:25 AM
I've only been able to read the reviews so far, but Professor Pyg and his doll-faced murdergirls are featured in Morrison's Batman #666, which is becoming the Rosetta Stone for his entire run, it seems like.(Pyg gets crucified upside down in the issue)

So I hope Morrison's not just waiting to kill Dick and give the mantle to Damien.

Buzz Maverik
by Mr.FTW
Jun 4th, 2009
10:41:14 AM
I can't really get into BAtman: The Brave and the Bold, it's a decent kid's show but there is just someting about the 60's smiles and good times Batman that doesn't work for me. It's like watching those episodes of Scooby-Doo where Batman and Robin were the special guests. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a light hearted Batman or a more kid friendly Batman because when I was a kid I loved those episodes of Scooby-Doo with Batman and Robin. It's just a shame that Warners won't let moe than one Batman show exist at a time. When I watched Brave and the Bold I was like was lost The Batman for this? Why couldn't we have both?
David Caradine
by Lingerdog
Jun 4th, 2009
10:51:14 AM
Rest In Peace...damn!
WHOA, Homer!
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
11:04:37 AM
Dune sucked!?!?! What the fuck, man? what the fuck?
Battle Star
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
11:06:26 AM
I wish he had stuck around more. It was nice to see him Civil War. The whole Bucky debacle is a great example of why they might be a little more pro-active with things like American Eagle now.
Dune
by Mr.FTW
Jun 4th, 2009
11:06:40 AM
Dune is easily the best thing Lynch ever did.
David Carradine
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
11:09:26 AM
was kiled for exposing the secrets of Kung fu.
The Captain
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
11:14:40 AM
I loved that costume. The unpainted shield was so cool. That was when Iron man was silver and red too. Later one, I remember an issue of... something.... that was Cap, Iron Man and Thor vs. USAgent, War Machine and Thunderstrike. The issue kind of sucked, but the representations of the legacies all together was great.

I wish USAgent was A. cooler and B. used more often because of that costume. But those issues where Walker lost it and flat out murdered Watchdogs and that Mutant group? I read those in shock and I can clearly remember thinking: "Ooooohh... Cap is gonna kick your ass for tainting his name...."
So,X-men Forever...?
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
11:16:06 AM
Did EVERYONE just avoid it like the plague. Is it out? I saw previews all over for it.
NO WAY Is DUNE The Best Thing Lynch Ever Did
by LaserPants
Jun 4th, 2009
11:16:15 AM
But it was awesome. I totally love it. That said, Mullholland Drive, Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, The Straight Story, Elephant Man, and Eraserhead are all better. Dune IS better than Inland Empire, though.
Batman and Robin
by kungfuhustler84
Jun 4th, 2009
11:24:40 AM
A decent firs issue, but not much happened realy. It was mostly setting up the scenario and who the big players are. Great art though. Next issue should be much cooler.
Before we degrade into a movie discussuion
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
11:25:41 AM
Dune is way better than Mulholland Drive.
No Way, Joenathan
by LaserPants
Jun 4th, 2009
11:38:31 AM
No offense, but NO FRIGGIN' WAY is Dune better than Mullholland Drive. I love them both, but, M Drive is WAY better IMHO. The scene of Naomi Watts grief-rage-masturbating alone makes it an All Time Classic. Lest we forget the crazy hot lesbian scene.
the lesbian scene
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
11:53:02 AM
somehwere in the first half hour or so I thought, "you know, the only thing that would make this move better would be if those wo made out..." and then it happened and you know what? Even that didn't make the movie better.
Dear Gail Simone...
by OBESE_WAN_KENOBI
Jun 4th, 2009
12:12:17 PM
I would be willing to grant your every desire, simply because you give me the pleasure of reading DC's best book every month. Yes, SECRET SIX is DC's best book. Sorry GL fans.
Uh oh
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
12:16:12 PM
The skittle-kids are gonna get you.
Morrison on Strange
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
12:18:22 PM
To me, Morrison isnt some delicate china doll who needs to be managed, DC has clearly taken that approach with disasterous results (although not on All Star Supes). Put him on Strange, give him some tough love, and watch the results soar. If he is half the writer he thinks he is, he can discipline himself to write that series. If he cant, maybe he isnt the writer he thinks he is.
John Walker
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
12:19:41 PM
IS he still around? IF so, how has Bru NOT managed to work him in? John Walker was a bad ass, and gave Cap a real run for his money in the long awaited showdown, if I remember correctly.
Joe: Logan
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
12:23:47 PM
Once and for all, lemme say this: Old Man Logan has its moments. However, its like the Star Wars prequels, if you dont buy Anakin and his reasons for falling to the Dark Side, the whole story falls apart no matter how cool some moments are. I dont buy Logan's reasons for pacifism. In fact, those 15 pages are some of the worst comics writing I've ever read in my 34 years on Earth, and I'm beng literal there, and I was around for 10 years of X-men before I finally canned it, so you know I've seen some wretched fuckin writing. The motivation doesnt work for me, and it was lazy ass writing by Millar, which he specializes in. Having said that, old Black Bolt was rad.
Ann Nocenti
by Homer Sexual
Jun 4th, 2009
12:37:03 PM
Ann was my favorite DD writer. Miller was probably the BEST, but I enjoyed Nocenti more. Number 9, Karnak and Gorgon, Captain America--all super awesome. The Captain America issue is still my favorite Cap story ever.

People, I am shocked. Not kidding. Dune was an incredible flop, got horrible reviews (Ebert picked it as the #1 worst movie of the year) and I have never actually heard anyone say they liked it before.

Everyone loves Blue Velvet, so that's his major triumph. Twin Peaks also was great at the beginning and end. But Mulholland Drive is by far my favorite. I don't need to fully understand, I understand enough and it's the only Lynch movie I felt emotionally involved with.

Due to an emergency, I was away last week. Yesterday's two-week comics total? $68. No wonder they court the adults. Who can afford that? And Marvel randomly makes some issues of the same comics $2.99 or $3.99 so if you don't look at the price....

From that huge stack, so far I've read Exiles (good, not great, art too cartoony for the story), Ms. Marvel (actually very good. But I love the Karla Sofen character. First issue of MM I've read since Carol Danvers joined Iron Man in Civil War) and New Mutants (which is actually just awesome, total geeky joy for me).

As an oldie, why in the world would I buy X-Men Forever? It's a reprint of comics I already have. Terribly overwrought comics I already have, actually.

John Walker
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
12:50:30 PM
He was in Omega Flight, last I saw and he's back to wearing the old, cool costume but with a different shield and he has like a cop's utlity belt with a nightstick and gun and shit. It actually looks pretty cool. I don't know why nobody is using him, why wouldn't you want a really mean Captain America. Shit, sick him on the Unregistered heroes.
Gru's Cap was great
by Continentalop
Jun 4th, 2009
12:58:01 PM
I think he kind of faltered at the end though. Kind of faltered? No, he faltered now that I think about it at the end, but he did do good stuff.
Dune vs. Mulholland Drive
by Continentalop
Jun 4th, 2009
12:59:08 PM
This is a pointless argument.

They both sucked.

Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
01:08:59 PM
You're just wrong, ok? Remember the issue of Uncanny where Scott and Jean and Psylocke went to Hawaii? Way worse.

Also, I still don't get what you don't understand. Here:

SPOILER!

Mysterio teamed up with some other villians and had his illusion power amped up to incredible levels and he was then let loose on the X-men.

The end result was that Wolverine killed everyone in the mansion because he wasn't holding back and the rest were (possibly due, at times, to being hampered by their consious or by Mysterio) and as a result, became lunchmeat. Mysterios illusions play havoc within the whole scenario. How much was real, how much was Logan?

Honestly though, it doesn't really matter since this is basically a What if comic and the point is to put Wolverine into the situation he was in at the start of the story. The tale is about Logan and Hawkeye's journey, NOT about how the end of the X-men. So while, sure, maybe the X-men would have been able to stop him in regular continuity, MAYBE, it doesn't matter because that isn't the point, this was just a story telling tool.

Either way, end result, the X-men in the mansion were neutralized and Wolverine, having realized his worst fear, that of losing control and hurting/killing those he loved, hits rock bottom and tried to kill himself, but... it doesn't work, and by then, of course, it was all over, the Villians had won. So, with the weight of his friend's deaths on his back, he vowed never to fight again.

So...

Is the part you have trouble with JUST Mysterio? I don't understand.
$68? Nice
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
01:12:01 PM
Thats a stack.

I don't think X-men forever is a re-print, but I agree that its overwrought.
X-MEN FOREVER isn't *technically* a reprint.
by SleazyG.
Jun 4th, 2009
02:42:08 PM
It is, however, literally a continuation of Claremont's run on X-MEN with what he intended from issue #4 on. Since he's been writing the same stories for 30 years, it might as well be a reprint. I've never understood why Marvel continues to give the guy work when he hasn't done a single thing anybody's given a shit about in two decades, but apparently somebody out there was convinced that what the public really wanted was Claremont picking up where he left off in 1992 or whatever. You buy it, you got nobody but yourself to blame.
Thank you so much for the write up on Goldilock!
by StrokerX
Jun 4th, 2009
02:54:44 PM
Ambush Bug and the rest of you....You all rule. I cannot thank you enough.
Looking it at,
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
02:55:13 PM
I was shocked at the reminder of how bad comics used to be written. The massive amount of exposition, the refusal to allow the art to show us that a character is conflicted, opting instead to have them say it. I was dumbfounded. X-men Forever made me wonder how I ever made it in comics this long. It made me questions why didn't I quit in the 90s? What was I reading that wasn't so terrible?
I DID quit in the 90s
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
03:03:19 PM
And came back sometime around 2001, when there were all these Alan Moore ABC trades and the Planetary and Authority trades to draw me back in.
Probably because you prefer Marvel.
by Homer Sexual
Jun 4th, 2009
03:05:31 PM
So many Marvel comics were bad in the 90's, but the X-books epitomize the badness and that's why Marvel fell into ruin and had to rebuild. I am sure I could go through my stacks at home and find good Marvel from the 90's, but I can't think of any offhand.

Vertigo ruled in the 90's. Currently, I buy exactly zero Vertigo titles, but in the 90's there were the obvious-Sandman, Hellblazer, Preacher, Swamp Thing-as well as Sandman Mystery Theater, Kid Eternity, the Dreaming, Shade the Changing Man, even Black Orchid wasn't bad.

Some of the mainstream DC was pretty good as well. I believe that is the time when Kinetix et al, aka the Zero Hour Legion, existed, my all-time favorite version of the Legion. Also loved the Justice League by Chuck Wojniwicz (something like that) with Diana, Obsidian and Albert/Nuklon, whatever he called himself, Power Girl, etc. Though many people hate that JLA. Also, this was one of the best times for Wonder Woman, for what it's worth.

Actually
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
03:18:55 PM
I think I was more DC at the time, thinking about it, I was reading Morriosn's Invisibles and JLA. I was reading Preacher (you son of a bitch, Ennis). I was reading Wildstorm alot, Alan Moore's Wildcats run, Gen13 when it was all fetish wear, all the time. Spawn, although I'm still not sure why. I used to really like Shadowhawk, remember when he had AIDS? Age of Apocalypse was good. Remember Force Works? P.U.!
Astro City!
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
03:21:19 PM
I was all about that book back then. I think that was one of those books, that and Invisibles and JLA and Alan Moore on Wildcats that saved comics for me in the 90s. And Kingdom Come, although that doesn't really hold up as much now.
They pull you back in
by steverodgers
Jun 4th, 2009
03:23:43 PM
I quit too. Because of the quality, but also because of rambling about and general lack of money. Once I stopped moving, and had a workaday job, it was ULTIMATES and Y that really just sucked me back into comics again and actually now that I think about it, finding and reading this column/talkbacks pushed me right back into the shop (thanks everyone). I’m glad too, because while those other suckers were putting their money into 401K’s and real estate, this guy was happily buying comic books and high-life, the worlds best no-return, no-risk, investment.
No-return investment
by steverodgers
Jun 4th, 2009
03:27:30 PM
Monetarily I mean, because Ultimate Cap beating down on some aliens is priceless, you just can't cash in and buy a steak with it.
High Life is always a good investment.
by SleazyG.
Jun 4th, 2009
03:30:31 PM
Although you do usually get a return on it in fairly short order...
I don't invest in beer
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
03:35:20 PM
I just rent it.
Transmetropolitan
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
03:40:23 PM
I also loved that book. Of couse, any book with violence, swearing and titties usually gets a thumbs up from me, but this one was extra special. Also Ellis on Stormwatch = good.
kirttrik
by StrokerX
Jun 4th, 2009
03:57:11 PM
I'll admit...I got a little worried when I read up on Avatar. Thankfully it seems the only similarities are in the set up...humans on newly discovered alien planet.

Not to worry though I think I take a different direction than what I've seen so far from Avatar. Maybe even more consciously now.

Gen13, DV8
by Homer Sexual
Jun 4th, 2009
04:06:11 PM
I forgot about Gen13, which I always liked although the more recent version was much better. DV8 was awesome, I loved that series. Also Crimson, which may have been this decade but seems very 90's.

I have come up with one good 90's Marvel: X-Factor during the original David/Stroman run. I recall really liking that.

I have just realized that my all-time #1 favorite series is from the 90's: the original Suicide Squad.

Whose gimmicks were worse? Marvel had Northstar come out, DC killed Superman. Which series were worse? Superman or X-Men? Who sums up 90's terribleness better? McFarlane or Liefeld? So many questions.

Transmetropolitan, not so much.
by Homer Sexual
Jun 4th, 2009
04:08:38 PM
It was Ellis being Ennis-ized. Just being in-your-face and repetititous. So I read it for a while, then dropped it.

While I was a Preacher fan, I just threw away the very last issue and pretend that the second-to-last issue was the end. Much, much better that way.

Starman
by Homer Sexual
Jun 4th, 2009
04:14:01 PM
Obviously I am not working very hard today, but do want to mention that I just finished the Starman Omnibus 1, and it was very 90's, very good, but didn't make me really want to run pick up omnibus 2.
I kind of thing the Clone Saga is the capper on the 90s.
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
04:42:23 PM
Erg
by Laserhead
Jun 4th, 2009
04:44:11 PM
I meant I kind of thinK the clone saga, and it's never-ending wave of shitty stories in chromium covers, was where the nineties broke-- the moment the wave crashed back on itself.
Starman
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
04:46:15 PM
is awesome, I've preached its virtues many times. Not sure about 90s-ish, although to each his own. The Shade is probably top 3 in my all time list of favorite characters in comics history, Robinson wrote that guy to perfection in my opinion. I'm currently re-reading omnibus 2 as we speak. As far as 90's quality, that one is right near the top of the list. I DID quit in the 90's actually, hence my complete lack of knowledge of Age of Apocalypse, the Clone Saga, anything DC from that era (Zero Hour, etc). I quit cold turkey. Starman and Preacher drew me back in, but only after the initial draw-back, which was Kingdom Come. That book was single handedly responsible for drawing me back into comics, and the Supes/Capt. Marvel confrontation in that book is still amongst my most treasured comics moments, possibly THE most.
Death of Superman
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
04:49:17 PM
I read bits and pieces at the time, and I've since read that story in hindsight from .25 bins and such. Man, talk about horrible. That story sucked balls from start to finish, begining to end, in every aspect. Doomsday sucked, the dialogue sucked, Supes coming back to life by "going towards the bright light" sucked. Shitty in all aspects.
Age of Apocalypse is worth revisiting
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
04:56:33 PM
They took, what, eight different X-men titles, rejuggled them with all different casts into a world with a fully realized history, and unique designs and told stories that were pretty much all isolated to each particular title and yet all came together into one big story at the end. There was only like 2 book end issues and four issues per title. Plus there was another title that told the story of the rest of the Marvel U that was awesome. The whole thing should be used as a model for big events. It was so good, in fact, that when they went back to the same old crap the very next issue back to the "Real" world, I dropped X-men until Grant Morrison came on board.

Totally worth hunting down.
Transmet
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
04:57:34 PM
It wasn't Ellis being Ennis, Homer, it wa Ellis doing his cheap Hunter S. Thompson impression... that being said, there were some really good arcs in there.
Why Old Man Logan sucks
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
04:57:49 PM
Everyone is tired of my ranting on this, so this will be the capper of my opinions on this. It doesnt suck because its a scene for scene, nearly line for line remake of Eastwood's Unforgiven, although it is. Or because its entire "Villians Win!!" premise is ripped off from Wanted in all aspects, although it is. Or that it falls apart when subjected to the slightest scrutiny or logic, although it does (The villians won because....they decided they felt like winning? And beat the greatest minds and military leaders of the day, who had beaten them soundly a million times before, by merely deciding to gang up on them? Gee, how would Reed Rchards EVER come up with a counter to such an ingenious plan? And Thor was in Colorado randomly whilt Pym was fighting in Ohio or whatever? Huh. Ok then.). IT doesnt suck because of any of those reasons. Actually, it sucks because Millar had 5,000 cool ways to turn Wolvy. Years of torture. A betrayal by Emma Frost. A puppet master style villian controlling him and making him watch himself kll his friends. Wolvy gongi berserk and killing hundreds of villians. A hostage family member. ANYTHING. Instead, we get what we got, a rehash of a HYDRA storyline they ONLY DID 2 YEARS AGO!!! L-A-Z-Y. And sorry, Millar gets no slack from me the way BKV might. You write that last panel of Wanted, you get what you paid for. He used up any slack with me when he wrote that shit, fuck em as far as I'm concerned.
Crimson!
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
04:58:47 PM
God, that was Ramos's big title. I wanted to like that book, but just couldn't. DV8 was Ellis, too. Weird. Ah... Gen13, so sexy, so vacuous.
Joe: AoA
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
05:00:17 PM
Ill give it a look, I've heard good things. However, is the phony "future slang" too distracting though?
Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
05:02:04 PM
"It doesnt suck because its a scene for scene, nearly line for line remake of Eastwood's Unforgiven, although it is"

Invalid, stated as intent at on-set of project. Unofrgiven meets Mad Max. And he can't steal from himself. Wanted is his book. See, you're focusing on the back story too much, its not the point. It happened, accept it, now move onto the story. You're blaming the comic for not being the book you want, which is the final battle between good and evil. Old Man Logan is the story of the Day after...
Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 4th, 2009
05:03:13 PM
ITs not future. Its an alternate world. I don't remember any slang. The premise is that Legion (remember him, Prof X's other son... me either) he went back in time meaning to kill Magneto and accidently got his Dad... Oops!
AoA is awesome
by Homer Sexual
Jun 4th, 2009
05:19:39 PM
Seriously, Age of Apocalypse is probably my all time favorite crossover epic. I still re-read various parts of it. There isn't much future-slang at all, it's cohesive, imaginative, fast-moving. And it introduced Blink, FWIW.
"Mulholland Drive" ...
by DennisMM
Jun 4th, 2009
05:20:47 PM
was beyond my cortical capacity. And the big ending, to me, seemed like just an attempt to make that damned TV pilot long enough for a feature. It has some great moments, but it doesn't make much sense, which is my usual complaint about Lynch. "Dune" is a mess, but it's a fun mess. The expanded TV edition actually is better than the theatrical version, though, because the TV editors forced it to make some sense. Yes, I'm a heretic

I didn't care for the Nocenti DD stories because, in spite of her talent as a plotter, she undid so much of what Miller accomplished in only seven (eight?) issues of "Born Again." I didn't want to see Murdoch back in the same old storefront lawyer situations. I LIKED him as a supposedly sighted fry cook!

Bachalo killed in AoA
by StrokerX
Jun 4th, 2009
06:06:55 PM
His best work to this date IMO.
Old Man Logan & Future Stories.
by optimous_douche
Jun 4th, 2009
06:57:48 PM
Let me think of something I'm good at...OK..typing fucking profanity.

Now, if each time I typed, shit, cock, fuck, balls and assplay someone close to me died. You can bet your ass that would be the last time I typed a dirty.

Same thing with Wolverine in Old Man Logan. Personally, I bought it hook, line and sinker.

One of my favorite future stories, although it went through multiple titles -- Armageddon 2001.

Did the whole thing get bastardized afterward, you betcha, but for a few precious moments that summer (remember when annuals always came out in the summer)I was in alternate reality heaven.

Future Slang
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
07:11:10 PM
Wanted to make sure AoA wouldnt be riddled with the usual "Dast his Fraggin Carcass, Space That frakkin (insert gibberish)!!" type future-speak, with phony curse words inserted to replace the ones they cant actually use. Highly annoying.
Peter David
by optimous_douche
Jun 4th, 2009
07:22:15 PM
Is building a pretty nice alternate tomorrow with X-FACTOR.

I love that book just a little too much.

Did any of you see the story on CNN
by Continentalop
Jun 4th, 2009
07:47:54 PM
About the guys who act as super heroes?

http://tinyurl.com/r2pxuo

I might have to move back to Minnesota so I can become Captain You Betcha.

X Factor
by gooseud
Jun 4th, 2009
07:49:40 PM
for me, never regained the momentum it lost from the crossovers and Stroman periods. I want to love it. I really do, but anything non-Madrox related at this point is just horrible. The Val Cooper stuff with Longshot, Siryn, etc is so boring I can feel minutes of my life slipping away as I read it that I wont ever get back. Peter David so clearly only cares about Madrox at this point. Marvel editorial should be taken out into the public square and beaten for allowing such an awesome book to hit the rocks and sink.
No, X-Factor is good again
by Tall_Boy66
Jun 4th, 2009
10:14:34 PM
Pick it up with issue #39 and go onward, it's once again kicking ass. Yes, Madrox has the most screentime but, godddamnit, he's the main character.
And get the Lyla Miller X-Factor One-shot
by Tall_Boy66
Jun 4th, 2009
10:15:07 PM
Great one-off issue and ties in directly to the current storyline.
give it another shot Goose
by optimous_douche
Jun 5th, 2009
05:55:48 AM
Siryn has actually become quite interesting since the baby absorption and Monet is delicious and never written better.

Yeah, LongShot still sucks, but he's way more interesting than he's been in nay other title.

give it another shot Goose
by optimous_douche
Jun 5th, 2009
05:56:10 AM
Siryn has actually become quite interesting since the baby absorption and Monet is delicious and never written better.

Yeah, LongShot still sucks, but he's way more interesting than he's been in nay other title.

give it another shot Goose
by optimous_douche
Jun 5th, 2009
05:56:30 AM
Siryn has actually become quite interesting since the baby absorption and Monet is delicious and never written better.

Yeah, LongShot still sucks, but he's way more interesting than he's been in nay other title.

Age of Apocalypse/OML
by Laserhead
Jun 5th, 2009
06:34:46 AM
I had the same reaction to Age of Apocalypse when it came out-- when the series ended after four or five months and the regular titles came back, I found I didn't give a shit about the regular versions of the characters and dropped the X-books.

And I completely agree with goose about Old Man Logan. It's just so damn stupid, all the time.

Hudson Didn't Whine, Mr. Pasty!
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 5th, 2009
07:23:43 AM
Wow! That was almost like typing, "Do you have something to share with the rest of us, Amazing Larry?"

Private Hudson was a realistic, human, kick ass Marine who was scared by a scary situation but did his job and came through. Great character by Cameron, great performance by Paxton.

ERASERHEAD Was My Favorite Lynch.
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 5th, 2009
07:26:52 AM
I always imagine the lost Lynch that never happened. RONNIE ROCKET. ONE SALIVA BUBBLE. RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Real Life Superheros, Continentalop
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 5th, 2009
07:32:12 AM
There was an article in ROLLING STONE about them a few months ago. I remember Matt Groening writing about BARTMAN several years ago, saying that superhero comics were so outrageous (he meant it as a compliment) that none of the kids who'd been warped by them over the last century had ever actually tried it...

Now, we all know supervillains are real...

Why Didn't Lucas Complete The SW Trilogy?
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 5th, 2009
07:35:53 AM
He could have got another director when Lynch dropped out. And then he could have given us those prequels he promised.
Yeah, Prof X's Son Legion...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 5th, 2009
07:38:49 AM
...freaky character. I like the Marvel mutant characters and books best when the creative teams aren't afraid to shy away from the freak factor (and with comics, the freak factor often works more as a character issue than physical freakdom for some reason). This was from a Bill Sienwitcz-Sizenwitch-Syzonfrut z NEW MUTANTS story. Bill Sassafrass never shyed away from the freak factor in his art.
Hudson was awesome
by gooseud
Jun 5th, 2009
07:55:32 AM
The most quotable character in movies? Possibly......."Why don't you put her in charge?!?!!"......"Its game over man!! GAME OVER!!!!"......"One way express elevator to hell, goin DOWN!!!"...."Yeah I have a question, how do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"..... LOL Hudson was awesome
Sienkywicz
by gooseud
Jun 5th, 2009
07:58:08 AM
or whatever his name was, was great too....what happened to him anyway?
LAyla Miller and Madrox have always
by gooseud
Jun 5th, 2009
08:01:51 AM
been awesome, its the rest of the cast that fell off for me. Ill give it another shot though. FYI, my LCS guy and myself both agree that the Madrox mini from a few years ago was one of our fave minis of the last 5 years.
Agreed Goose
by optimous_douche
Jun 5th, 2009
08:57:05 AM
That MAdrox special was some damn good stuff.

I love giving him the role of DC's Batman, something the Marvel U has desperately needed.

YO @$$HOLES!!!!!! READ THIS!
by Psynapse
Jun 5th, 2009
09:06:39 AM
From Keith Giffen's 'Unfortunate Confluence of Words' column today. The main topic was "WHY I'M GRATEFUL TO (STILL) BE DOING COMICBOOKS"

47. The Assholes (that's what they call themselves so back off!) at aintitcool.com are still the high bar for fan critiques IMHO. Yes, even when they're dumping on me.

Hellz Yeah!

Haters can suck it
by Psynapse
Jun 5th, 2009
09:07:31 AM
and see the previous post as to why. :)
Real life superheroes on CNN
by Laserhead
Jun 5th, 2009
09:27:25 AM
I saw that. No one seemed to mention that these people were neither 'super' nor 'heroes', as they didn't actually do anything heroic.

Can't wait till one of those clowns actually gets in a fight. That'll bring the reality train home.

Imagine If Lynch DID Do Return of the Jedi?
by LaserPants
Jun 5th, 2009
10:17:10 AM
It would have been a MASTERPIECE.

by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
11:13:11 AM
Real life Superheroes
by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
11:15:47 AM
I read an article about them awhile back and there was one guy riding around in his corvette wearing a silver unitard and a flight helmet and carrying a shotgun and the police had straighten his dumb ass out. I think the day one of these morons ends up dead will be an amazing day. It'll be like a Powers Issue come to life. I think thats when it will start for real. The first dead one will inspire the others to come out of the woodwork... Then Galactus will show up and me and my fancy zippo will be waiting...
Buzz
by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
11:17:40 AM
I also wish Lucas had continued making Star wars. I've always wanted to see more of them.
I wonder
by steverodgers
Jun 5th, 2009
11:27:42 AM
If all these real life 'super-heroes' get together for bbq's in costume? They must... that's just the way real super-heroes do it. That’s just west coast.
Totally
by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
12:00:39 PM
Then they agonize: "How can I drink this beer without removing my helmet and thus revealing my secret identity..."

Steve, did you see in Avengers Reunion, those damn dirty skrulls set up a fake Avenger's BBQ! Man, Hawkeye was right... kill 'em all!
Giffen is right
by gooseud
Jun 5th, 2009
12:09:10 PM
this is pretty much THE place for comics critique, as far as I'm concerned. And not just because I'm here, although thats a big part of it.
Joen
by steverodgers
Jun 5th, 2009
01:51:20 PM
Yes I did! Do you think your posts influenced that? I bet it did. Also, the only good Skrull is a dead one.
Goose
by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
02:41:55 PM
Its because I'm here, right? Thats what you think, I know it.
Steve
by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
02:44:03 PM
I was hoping, because of all the previews, that it was read here and put in for us. Of course, WCA BBQs were only about one of the best things ever as far as Avengers stuff was concerned, second only to Giant Man's complete disdain for Jarvis, so maybe the creators were naturally just fans as well.
A straw?
by Psynapse
Jun 5th, 2009
02:45:34 PM
That's how we've always drank beer without taking masks off at Halloween or theme parties. Just sayin'....
yeah, but
by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
03:48:44 PM
Iron Man can't look tough while sipping a beer through a straw!
Joen: WCA
by steverodgers
Jun 5th, 2009
04:17:24 PM
I'm sure their fans, but I think you brought that moment back to the collective consciousness of all Avengers fans. Your posts on the WCA BBQ were the tipping point, soon every book is going to have heroes in full kit, enjoying burgers and the fellowship that only comes when barbecuing on a summer afternoon sweating through your tights while trying to sip high life through a straw. Let’s not even get started on Giant Man's tea cup. Do they even have a Hobart at the mansion, or is Jarvis cleaning everything by hand? He probably had to use a mop and a stool. A dirty mop at that that. Take that Giant Man, have a little dirty mop water with your Bigelow non-caffeinated teas.
Jarvis
by Joenathan
Jun 5th, 2009
04:31:15 PM
You just know he's back there, mutterin bitterly while brewing gallons of tea: "Can't just shrink down and have normal tea... Oh, no, look at me, I'm Giant-man, bring me the Giant tea cup, because I'm Giant Man... wife beating son of a bitch..."
Crossed
by Series7
Jun 5th, 2009
05:40:50 PM
Sucks. It's very bad.
If Lucas Had Finished The STAR WARS...
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 6th, 2009
01:07:19 PM
...saga we'd have found out how Han Solo got out of the carbonite. I'll bet Jabba the Hutt's headquarters was awesome. And I'll bet Boba Fett was destroyed in an awesome way. Some fan fiction guy wrote about Luke temporarily turning to the dark side, then bringing a dying Vader back to the light with him in some sort of act that would redeem his father from destroying an entire planet. No way would George fluff all that stuff off.
Villains Are Real
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 6th, 2009
01:09:27 PM
Pasty faced clown commits monstrous acts at a place called Neverland Ranch and uses his wealth to escape punishment. Man, if some guy in a snake suit or something would have come crashing in...
If I Remember The Real Superheroes Story
by Buzz Maverik
Jun 6th, 2009
03:34:18 PM
in RS, the writer treated the guys respectfully, which is nice since making fun of them is our job here on the ol' internet.

And I don't think it ever once mentioned comic books, which was weird because you know these guys had to have read one too many...

Real Super Heroes
by Continentalop
Jun 7th, 2009
05:31:00 AM
As Laser Head said, they are not "real" nor do anything "super." But still, it is like these guys read the first issue of "Kick Ass" and looked at it as a How to Manual.

The sad thing is they are destroying every criticism JoeNathan has ever had. BBQ while in costume and guys never taking off their costumes, that is how these guys act. Shit, they probably sit around the house watching TV in their tights and cape.

I don't like to judge others, but this is just sad...

Lucas & Return
by Continentalop
Jun 7th, 2009
05:34:06 AM
Just read something where he says if he knew that Boba Fett was so popular he never would have killed him in such a ridiculous fashion.

How the hell didn't he know he was so popular?!? He was only the biggest selling figure they ever had!!!

Paul Schrader should have written Return of the Jedi
by Continentalop
Jun 7th, 2009
05:37:20 AM
I want to see Luke sitting behind Han in the Millennium Falcon, telling him what a Lightsaber can do to a woman's pussy.
I love the crossed
by Se Tscherrman
Jun 9th, 2009
02:27:43 PM
Haters can suck my axe (or read their superhero comics all over again)!
Tuna Carpaccio P.I.!!!
by jdunlap21
Jun 15th, 2009
06:37:10 PM
Thanks for this glowing review Ambush Bug! You make it sound like we know what we're doing.. ha
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