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REVEALING!!!!!!! by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:54:03 AM

SPOILERS!!!! by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:54:31 AM

Possibly, First? by blakindigo	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:54:36 AM

Nope. by blakindigo	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:54:47 AM

Nope. by blakindigo	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:54:50 AM

Dear God, a giant 4!!! by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:55:53 AM

Look closer. by Mostholy	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:57:33 AM
There's a big Kraven the hunter reflected in the 4.
Sam Raimi vindicated!! A fucking number 4!!!!! by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:58:34 AM

Fuck Spiderman 4 by tolomey	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:00:00 AM
I can't wait for the day that Marvel gets the movie rights back for their best characters. Spiderman 3 was shockingly bad and I will never forgive them for reducing the entire black suit/venom storyline to little more than 40 mins of screen time. The only thing that could work in Spiderman 4 favour is if they cast Ben Kingsley as the Vulture and let the Lizard loose on New York.
I just hope that... by SenatorJeffersonSmith	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:06:02 AM
...Spiderman 4 isn't as fucking boring as 3 was. They should have just stopped after 2
That poster is gonna look so boss in my rumpus room... by Ronald Raygun	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:07:37 AM
I just hope Spiderman is gonna be in this one, cause it doesn't look that way so far.
Raimi better bring his A game by Dark Knight Lite	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:10:43 AM
Spidey 3 and DMTH were the signs of a fading talent.
Hey Raimi haters... Shut it! by spectrebeeyatch	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:13:48 AM
Drag me to hell was the best movie so far this summer. I am ready for Spidey 4 bring on Morbious or the Lizard or both.
We need a new costume! by Acious	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:17:46 AM
c'mon, for the 4th movie lets make the costume a little fresh...i think they should add small webbings underneath his arms (like from just above the elbow to ribs). It would enable him to glide a bit as he falls (in the story at least). I think at this point we have to change up the costume a bit but not over do it....the webbings have existed before in the comics and cartoons...i think they'd look cool
Will everybody cry like they did in Spiderman 3? by jrb	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:21:54 AM
Because that sucked my balls... (not in the good way)
Spiderman 4 seems fairly uninspired by BillyMayesHere	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:22:29 AM
you would think they would want to "excite" us (after 3 was so bad) - instead we get the same campaign as the previous?
Are they ever going to get around to the Lizard? by ebonic_plague	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:24:41 AM
Or has Dylan Baker been playing a one-armed guy just for the hell of it?
Spider-Man 4: Preliminary plot synopsis by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:26:52 AM
Parker and MJ are living together and have given up fighting and "singing" for the quiet life of running a BnB out of their dilapidated studio apartment. A mysterious guest offers to pay in cash and keep his face hidden. The next morning, Peter notices a wetness near the foot of his bed. MJ has been decapitated and eaten, her flayed skull dropping to the floor and Peter kicks it away, terrified. Suddenly, a disturbance in the foyer alarms his Spider sense and the villain is revealed to him- none other than Hannibal Lecter, face dripping red and armed only with a fondue fork. Rushing back inside to change into his suit, Peter trips over his ex-girlfriend's skull, giving Lecter the chance he needs to pin Parker. Lecter's knee on his throat, Parker instinctively attempts to blind him with webbing , only to discover that both of his arms have been torn off at the elbows. The NYPD arrive on scene just in time to scare off the sadistic psychopath, leaving Peter crippled and seemingly done for. The next day, Peter wakes up in the hospital, a team of esteemed physicians huddled around him. They reveal to him their shock and disbelief as both of Peter's arms have grown back! Something is different, however, as the new appendages are covered in black fuzz with nubby fingers at their tips. His strength returns to him in an instant, and Peter leaps out the hospital window and tries to spin a web to safety only to fall 11 stories, landing on all fours. He tries again to spin webs with his wrists, but they instead shoot from his anus. Mortified, Peter scurries into a dark alley and contemplates his new Spider-Powers. It seems he is slowly becoming more spider than man...
Hey Tangerines, go take some sleeping pills... by BillyMayesHere	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:29:07 AM
... you've got too much time on your hands.
Can't Conans on! by Anything But Tangerines	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:31:21 AM

makes sense... it's Conan. by BillyMayesHere	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:32:18 AM

I'm still not over Spidey 3 breaking my heart by natecore	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:35:01 AM
I've never felt so betrayed by a film; that bastard was awful, but damn it if I can't help but to feel excited for Spidey 4. I'm nervous.
2011 by Lemure_v2	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:37:28 AM
Spidey 4, Dark Knight 3, Thor and Cap America? Could be one hell of a summer!
Spider-man 3 by Ditko	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:38:48 AM
wasn´t great, granted...but Peter dancing and walking down the street Bee Gees style was hilarious.
Fantastic Four? by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:41:29 AM
Confusing!
Shrek 4: Saving Myers Career by Iron-kong	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:44:10 AM
It opens with a realistic and bloody scene of Mike watching the box office numbers come back on 'The Love Guru'.
Shrek 4 - cause kids today will watch anything by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:45:54 AM
Never got all the Shrek hype.
Oh my God! by Lashlarue	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:49:00 AM
All those movies will suck. Search your feelings... You know this to be true.
That almost doesn't even look like a 4 by CherryValance	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:55:32 AM
Not of fan of the Spidey movies. At first I thought the first one was passable but now I don't give a crap about the entire franchise. The second was so awful to me that I didn't bother with the third so a giant 4 hovering over the city in a poor excuse for a web isn't going to get me interested. Can't stand Shrek either. Iron Man always kinda looks like Iron Man. Not much you can do there. And Oobermind I know nothing about and the poster doesn't help. What else ya got?
Look even closer by Cruzboy	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:56:34 AM
There's actually a big cock reflection in the 4!
Spider Man 3 by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:00:22 AM
Glad I caught the DVD of it. The cast commentary is really good on it. Probably one of the best ones I've heard.
Spidey vs The Fantastic Four? by Pops Freshemeyer	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:01:22 AM
What else could the 4 possibly mean?
Shit, I'd go see a Spidey VS Iron Man movie by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:06:21 AM
With some cameos by The Human Torch and Thing. Fuck Avengers.
Could the '4' be upside down and cut off? by SomeOneWhoKnows	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:06:55 AM
and it is actually fangs for Morbius? which sam has already hinted to in interviews
Spiderman trailers give too much away. by GibsonUSA Returns	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:17:52 AM
IMO after u watch a Spidey trailer, you watch the movie knowing pretty much what happens in the movie.
Shrek 3 was soooo depressing.... by GibsonUSA Returns	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:21:55 AM
I liked Shrek and LOVED Shrek 2....the third one was depressing....it didnt suck...it was just mediocre and that was upsetting.
image of Electro reflected in the giant 4!!!!! by 69DUDE	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:25:42 AM

It's a symbol of a chair, upside down! by DarthBakpao	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:33:33 AM

Can we get some shots of Spider Man this time? by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:34:16 AM
I miss those cool shots like in 2 where he's whipping his butt through the city, but in 3, the fights were lame
Fuck all the Spider-Man movies. by 11ZOMBIES	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:36:49 AM
Fuck them in the ass.
And no more Spidey taking off his mask standin on a building. by GibsonUSA Returns	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:43:14 AM
Please? Thx.
OOBERMIND by thinboyslim.	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:46:47 AM
has a voice cast of Robert Downey Jr., Ben Stiller and Tina Fey.
sun comes up by robertplant	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:57:07 AM
morbeus can't be a vampire no more? oooooooh morbeus!
4! by the zapper	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:05:47 AM
Foooooooooooooooouuuuuuuurrrrr !
Now! The writing's on the wall. It won't go away. by Motoko Kusanagi	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:18:46 AM
It's an omen!
shrek by Dradis Contact	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:19:50 AM
I was at my friend's house watching Shrek for the first time, waiting for something funny to happen. Then the movie ended.
SPIDER-MAN 3 is wonderful by caruso_stalker217	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:25:45 AM
Don't get me wrong. Not a good movie. Huge fucking mess. Third act is just godawful. But I love the melodrama. I love the crying. I love Harry fucking with Peter's head and enjoying some pie. And I even like the scene with the dancing.
when a franchise goes to 4 it has gone too far by lb	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:39:33 AM
SM4 maybe better than SM3 but is there any need for another Spider-man movie? UNless they are rebooting it I just dont care to see Tobey doing the same one-note acting he has been doing in all the previous installments
a twitch? yep by Obscura	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:58:07 AM
...i get a nervous tick everytime i think about raimi doing another spider-man movie.
They gave Spiderman IV to that idiot again? by JackPumpkinhead	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:04:46 AM
Get ready for "Toby MacGuire Dancing on Ice!" (or whatever the hell his name is)
And yeah, as for "Dreck 4"... by JackPumpkinhead	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:07:13 AM
At least it will prevent Michael Myers from touching anything good and damaging it. I'd prefer it if a piano fell on him, but keeping him doing nothing but shitty sequels to shitty animated movies is a way, too.
Hmmm... by McDylbot	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:10:37 AM
I think that sunrise pretty much confirms Morbius...
"And I even like the scene with the dancing" by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:13:59 AM
caruso stalker, I'm getting worried about you...I really am.
Side note by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:14:31 AM
Still no poster for PAVLOV'S HOUSE. Makes me think they aren't going to make it.
'That idiot' made Spider-Man 2 and a little film called 'Evil D by Se7en	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:29:39 AM
He messed up with 3. So freakin' what. Get over it.
Look again at 4's reflection by Nerd Rage	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:21:18 AM
You can see Raimi laughing with money bags in each hand. Give another director a chance you greedy bastard. Imagine if Chris Columbus directed every Harry Potter movie. Boy would that suck. The franchise needs a new blood. Raimi's schtick is getting old.
Attention all dipshits: Raimi has only done 1 bad film by future help	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:30:02 AM
Spidey 3 AND that was Ari Aviv's fault. (i hated S3 as much as the next guy) BUT yes, Drag ME To Hell was better than anything else i have seen this Summer. And Spidey 2 was awesome. Please Raimi, the Lizard.
ahh, gotta love Hollywood, such a proud institution... by TheSeeker7	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:31:12 AM
Hey, who needs a completed script, when we've already got a solid release date a full 2 years away! pffft, don't worry, now we got the release date, the script'll practically write itself! Don't gotta give a second thought. Elsewhere, ya know I'm sorry but, yea I've had a lot of respect for Raimi over his career and loved a lotta stuff, but Spidey 3 was so gut wretchingly awful, I'm really thinking he deserves to have the keys taken away from him now.
Raimi has a death-grip on the golden goose by Nerd Rage	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:42:21 AM
He wants all the spider-man money possible. It doesn't matter that he's running out of spider-man ideas, he'll film his own shit before he lets another director get that money.
Spidey 4?!!? by malificus	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:47:54 AM
What the fuck, a big 4 and a release date when, to my knowlege, they haven't inked a single deal, written a single word of a script or done one fucking thing at all? How pointless IS that? Wow, seeing that release date and that '4' really gets me geared up, better write that on my fridge so 2 fucking years from now I can mark it on my calender. What fucking idiots. Make a decent move on Captain America assholes, I'm still butt-sore over Spider-Man 3, don't fucking push your luck so soon.
oh, and PS by malificus	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:48:43 AM
Motherfucking FUCK Shrek. GOD I hate those fucking movies and never seen a frame.
OOBERMIND by TinSpider	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:51:14 AM
Seems Dreamworks are filling the gap left by fans wanting more Incredibles movies. Fuck Cars 2 Pixar, make another Incredibles movie.
SM3 = B-movie director exposed as hack by Nerd Rage	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:02:01 AM
But its' too late he's ruined the classic Gwen Stacy story-line, ruined the character of Mary Jane Watson with shittiest casting ever, ruined the Green Goblin 2 and Venom with shitty directing, ruined Spider-man's origin by changing Uncle Ben's killer, ruined Peter Parker/Spider-man characters by making them bland compared to the comics and now he gets to ruin more shit with yet another Spider-man sequel. He's like that kid that spends way too long at the water fountain then leaves a big nasty loogie on top the drain.
Now to get the rumors going... by alienindisguise	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:29:59 AM
I think the Spider Man 4 poster gives away quite a bit...here ya go, flip the 4 around and you get a "h" for hunter as in Kraven the Hunter..take that and run with it..hahaha!!! I'm still betting it'll be the Lizard as the main villain.
That could be an ad for Spider-Man 4 or Playstation 4. by Flim Springfield	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:35:23 AM
Same Sony font.
I'm not joking when i say this..... by BendersShinyAss	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:03:56 AM
But if Raimi makes Spiderman 4 I am NOT seeing it. and im a Raimi fan
In Raimi's defense... by Blanket-Man	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:15:29 AM
The whole Saga of the Black Costume is horribly overrated by us geeks. Not only is the comic version unbelievably convoluted (Secret Wars, anyone?), but Eddie Brock's entire motivation for hating Spider-Man is retarded. Brock "exposes" the wrong guy as a super-villain, so he gets an incredible mad-on for Spidey when the web-slinger captures the real baddie. I don't care how insane Brock is, the logic there made no sense. If anything, Raimi and Topher Grace at least improved on that aspect of the story (why he hates Peter/Spidey). And, as much as I loved Venom's early McFarlane appareances, a space-alien doesn't really belong in a Spidey comic, even less so in a Spidey MOVIE, of which we'll all be fortunate to see only a half-dozen or so in our lifetimes. Stick to street-level baddies like the Goblin, Doc Ock, Kingpin, Kraven, Mysterio, Vulture, etc. In many ways, SM3 was doomed before the script was finished. Still, I have to blame Raimi for that stupid Sandman-killed-Uncle-Ben "twist." Ugh.
look, seriously..... by BendersShinyAss	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:16:12 AM
Why is Spiderman 4 even being made? Aren't we all sick of the tired vision of Raimi? I'm just not interested in B) Contrived score using all the best elfman cues. B) cheesy Cartoon spiderman who poses with non moving jaw when he speaking c) Kirstin Dunst. D) Power ranger villains seriously, is Sony THAT fucking desperate for more spiderman and THAT fucking visionless they can't restart it fresh. Enough spiderman. they have NO staying power
4 Poster: When you see it, you'll shit bricks! by turketron_2	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:21:24 AM
OMG!
They're actually going to make a 4th... by nothingasitseems	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:28:45 AM
Wow, cause the third movie didn't do enough to completely turn the franchise to shit. Might as well flush the turd down the toilet.
Malificus... by GaiustheBrave	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:37:21 AM
the script has already been written and should be in Raimi's hands by now. If you remember the interview AICN did with him (or maybe it was comingsoon.net) he says, weeks ago, that the script was supposed to be finished this summer and in his hands. So, I imagine the next step (just guessing) is tweaking and storyboarding. BTW, for all the Raimi haters, Drag Me To Hell was awesome! The ending was pulled off very well seeing as how Raimi knew it would be obvious. He fucks with you, making you think, "Nah, it's just too obvious. She must have really given the gypsy the button." And, then when the end happens, it isn't a surprise (read the title) but it is played off well. I remember reading about him explaining the difficulty in it. As for the poster on flixster who said, and I paraphrase, "Instead of giving us a WTF? moment he goes for the obvious. le sigh."-Go fuck yourself you pretentious airbag.
Raimi's waiting on the script... by Kid Z	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:38:49 AM
... it's taking a little longer than expected because coming up with 20 more ways for Spider-Man to lose his mask is time-consuming.
Forever After is more of a threat than a title. by OGoncho	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:58:13 AM

Most of the suck in Spidey 3 was the producer's fault. by rev_skarekroe	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:02:13 AM
"It's got to have Venom in it!" they said. "The kids want Venom!" Only Raimi didn't want to do Venom, so he just half-asses it. That said, some of the lame stuff WAS Raimi's fault. Sandman killed Peter's parents? WTF?
Spiderman 4? by Lost Jarv	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:03:39 AM
no thanks.
DRAG ME TO HELL... by DeNiro4Prez	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:04:40 AM
I almost sat this one out due to its weak (horror) rating, but... I reluctantly went, and boy, oh, boy did Raimi deliver! One of the best horror films in recent memory...
There was plenty of suck that Raimi is to blame for by Lost Jarv	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:09:01 AM
Singing. Dancing. EMO shite. Sandman killing uncle ben Wikipedia Butler. I can go on with this forever, but plenty of the non-venom suck of that film is purely Raimi's fault.
Brand New Day? by the_octagon	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:28:58 AM
Sunrise in the Spidey 4 poster...surely not.
why dont they just start calling it Spectacular SpiderMan or som by moviemaven83	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:29:22 AM
instead of "4"
"4" = the new sexiest tomboy beanpole by moviemaven83	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:29:50 AM

moviemaven83 re: 'spectacular' by Burgundy82	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:37:06 AM
Fuck that shit. I HATE inconsistent sequel titles. My thoughts: http://www.allmovietalk.com/?p =55
How many damn Shreks are they going to make?! by LabattsBleu	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:59:33 AM
I love Spiderman, but 4?! The only reason I am curious is because Spidey3 was so awful...The Sheople will watch $hrek4 in droves (regardless of reviews) and the studio already has a date in mind for $hrek5... dreamworks suck at animated films. Pixar is 100000x better for quality, story and character design
A giant 4? by Ingeld	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:59:36 AM
It's offical; they're all going to phone this one in.
SPIDER-MAN 4-EVER by moviemaven83	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:05:41 AM

Why even make a Spider-man 4? by thedarklinglord	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:07:12 AM
Personally, I'd rather see Raimi and crew go back, do some rewrites and reshoots, and FIX Spider-man 3. Unlike most people, I didn't think it was a total shitfest of a film, because there were some great moments in there, some story and character development that worked, but overall the movie felt extremely rushed and unpolished. Like you could tell Raimi hated the whole Venom story and, as a result, just stopped caring about the entire picture, half-assing it at nearly every corner. And that's sad, because it could have worked if they'd gone through a few more drafts of the script, and had the balls to make the movie longer to actually develop BOTH stories. If people will sit through almost 3 hours of Harry Potter, I'm sure they'd sit through 3 hours of a truly epic, kick-ass Spider-man. Eh. Sadly, I really just don't care about Spider-man anymore. They fucked it up. The same way they fucked up X-Men. The same way they're bound to fuck up Iron Man. Once you kill the momentum of a franchise, once you stop it dead with a steaming black turd sitting in the middle of a pearl white carpet at a party, it's nearly impossible to make people forget it ever happened and rebuild the energy that was there before. The damage is done. The party is over.
I don't understand you people by findingclues4u	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:13:22 AM
Spiderman 2 is probably one of the best superhero movies ever made, which many will say, and some will disagree with, Last time was a bust, 3 was not great, but watchable to say the least, but for anyone to say something ridiculous like you felt betrayed? It's just a movie, you should feel ashamed for putting so much stock in someone elses vision.
The villains for Spidey 4 by Codename V	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:32:53 AM
The Lizard will be hunted by Kraven and Spidey must stop him because he knows its Doc Connors... The Vulture would be cool and Ben Kingsley would nail it. All those posters sucked by the way...
PLEASE!!! by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:36:27 AM
Don't let that 4 be its rating!
lockesbrokenleg by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:43:54 AM
I agree about the fights, but I think they were cool but so quick that they stopped right as they were getting into a rhythm. I loved the sound editing for the crane scene though.
GibsonUSA Returns by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:45:06 AM
Lol - just imagine if Zemeckis was the director! "I think people want to know what they are going to see." That's an actual quote! (paraphrase)
Does ANYONE really want a Spiderman 4? by kwisatzhaderach	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:48:06 AM

Drek 4 - put it in the "Do we really need this" pile... by finky089	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:49:13 AM
then flush.
4 GIVENESS!!!!!!!! by alice 13	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:53:03 AM
4 get 2 c
The third superhero movie inevitably sucks by turketron_2	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:53:17 AM
Blade Trinity, Spiderman 3, X-Men 3, Batman Forever, ROBOCOP 3. The 4th movie... usually sucks even worse. BATMAN & ROBIN, Xmen Origins (I guess it's not the 4th movie timeline wise, but come on), SUPERMAN 4 THE QUEST FOR PEACE, American Ninja 4: The Annihilation, etc.
I want a new Spiderman movie - not "Spiderman 4" by finky089	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:53:54 AM
B/C "Spiderman 4" implies it'll be a continuation of Spiderman 3, which just wasn't cutting it compared to the previous Spidey films. I consider a new Spidey film the way I do a new Superman film. I would liek to go see a new one in the theaters, but not if it's just going to continue as the same product that we most recently saw on the big screen. Or, consider this metaphor: I like souvlaki. I once had some bad souvlaki at this one greek place and it tore me up. But does that mean I'll never eat souvlaki again? No. It means I DEFINTIELY won't go back to the same place when I want it again and that I'll be a little more cautious when I think about getting it at another place. But i ain't writing off something I enjoy altogether because of one bad experience.
Of course, every now and then you get a good 4th movie by turketron_2	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:54:40 AM
RAMBO
AND - apparently the new Spidey villain is: by finky089	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:54:52 AM
a big giant Roman Numeral! duhn, duhn, DUHN!!!
Dwayne Johnson for Kraven the Hunter! by Big Jim	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:55:08 AM
Is that a sunrise or a sunset? There is a tear in the web which looks a bit like a lightning bolt. Electro? However, I'm confident the villain will be Morbius because vampires are all the rage. Although in the film he will be about 17 years old, with big hair, with only one expression, like that of someone who just lost their best friend. They could do the story from Amazing Spider-Man 100-102 with Morbius, the Lizard, and CGI arms.
Is there gonna be CLONES? by turketron_2	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:55:50 AM
CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA CLONE SAGA Dives behind couch to avoid barrage of machine gun fire
Mickey Rourke for Morbius by moviemaven83	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:56:11 AM

Did you say Hydrant Man? by turketron_2	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:57:02 AM
The dogs must really love you.
rev_skarekroe by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:57:07 AM
No doubt. Fucking producers. But yeah the biggest atrocity was taking away Peter's guilt about his Uncle. I mean, that was great tragedy, but they had to go with a silly plot device. Just not needed.
Sam Raimi by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:59:21 AM
Hasn't screwed-up by a long shot. The man knows how to make a movie. Great style, just keep the suits away. That's the issue.
I can see a reflection of morbius in the webs! by ironic_name	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:01:14 AM

A bad movie can "kill" a franchise...? by Nasty In The Pasty	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:05:55 AM
Tell that to James Bond...no matter how sucky the last one was, they'll always glom onto a current action movie trend and ressurect interest in the franchise. Diamonds Are Forever, Moonraker, A View To A Kill and Die Another Day all sucked balls, yet they're still making 007 movies. That said, I LIKED Spider-Man 3, dammit. Yeah the Venom shit was half-assed, but the Peter/Mary Jane/Harry stuff was well-done, and I even liked the Sandman stuff. Funny how people are laying the blame for that film on Raimi's doorstep, when he directed the HELL out of that movie. Blame the "suits" for cramming too much stuff into one movie.
There was absolutely no need to make Sandman by Big Jim	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:09:07 AM
Uncle Ben's killer. Ridiculous. Why is it that the only time Spider-Man, in the movies, fights a villain is for revenge or to save a loved one? Why can't he go after a super-villain just for the sake of stopping him? "With great power comes great responsibility" - the responsibility of putting your life on the line for the greater good. Instead, the movies focus on his "responsibility" making him late for classes and dates. Sure it sucks and could be frustrating but hardly the kind of sacrifice expected of heroes. How about seeing a Spider-Man who gets the ever-living crap kicked out of him in trying to stop a villain, and then going back for more because it's the right thing to do? And NOT BECAUSE MJ IS BEING HELD AS BAIT !!!
Clone Saga? I hope not... by jabman	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:18:21 AM
I can barely tolerate ONE Tobey Maguire... Is anybody REALLY excited about Spider-Man 4? I mean REALLY excited, not just "looking forward to it"---SM3 really sucked.
Forget OOBERMIND by Mr Incredible	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:28:51 AM
Dreamworks should do SOON I WILL BE INVINCIBLE; not so family-friendly, but entertaining, nonetheless.
Nasty In The Pasty/Big Jim by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:30:03 AM
Agreed. I know originally Gwen was supposed to be the one saved in Spidey 3. But I sat there thinking, isn't this just too much of a coincidence/cliche that a girl needs saving? Thank God Dark Knight didn't give up since no girl left to save.
Spidey vs Kraven vs The Lizard by jarjarmessiah	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:33:31 AM
Make it so. As for all you Vulture lovers: I can't anything sillier than an Old fart in Green Pajamas and wings. Not exacly scary.
it'll have hydro man, and by turketron_2	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:42:30 AM
He and Spiderman will have a good cry at the end, and hydroman will turn into mist and float away.
image of The Nuclear man & John Cryer reflected in the giant 4!! by ChocolateJesusMan	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:54:40 AM
Im Just Sayin
It's A Sports Analogy by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:12:59 AM
There should be a web-football going for the extra point. Or if the suits have their way, just go for the field goal like the last one, don't worry about a touchdown. Clevah!
A_Clockwork_Irony by Lost Jarv	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:35:44 AM
Actually, there was a damsel in distress in TDK. Just they had the balls to actually kill her.
Okay Shrek, spidey, iron man, and....superheroes? by ecm	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:36:14 AM
So the title of Shrek 4 isn't "Shrek goes Fourth"? Its "Shrek Forever After"? lame. Didn't like Iron Man 1. Couldn't get emotionally attached to the character. No personality whatsoever. Look at the front of the DVD. Its THAT face throughout the entire movie, only if he is scared or surprised its wide-eyed. Not looking foward to 2. Oobermind? I dont know.... Spider-man 4. Ahh, yes. Spidey 1, great; Spidey 2, great; Spidey 3, loved it ( i dont know why everyone hates it here. i was good. i enjoyed it. sure Venom wasn't portrayed perfectly like in the comics but I liked it. Not as good as 2 but comes close with 1.) So, Spidy 4, I hope its Morbius. That would be awesome. I think Lizard can wait until 5. And just in case you don't know, Sony, awhile back, signed for a total of 6 spider-man films. So we gotta when all the movies are finished we'll have a Spider-man saga of 6 films (awesome!)
I pronounce "Meh" upon all of them by FeralAngel	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:37:52 AM
Especially Shrek. Gad I hate Dreamworks character designs. PUKE.
It's pretty obviosus! by Sevdeuce	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:38:28 AM
Electro is the villian!
Lost Jarv by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:39:36 AM
True, but my point is that Spider-man does seem a little motivated by family. I mean, Aunt Mae or M.J. I told everyone before Dark Knight they needed to kill Rachel to be really dark. And I had hoped something like that with Gwen Stacy. Thank you Nolan.
Shit - sorry for the spoiler above by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:42:00 AM
heh, I hope everyone's seen TDK.
Fom the creators of the posters for Iron Man 1 by Falafalguy	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:42:12 AM
Comes a poster for Iron Man 2.
The only really good bit in the Spider-Man movies by Fuck The Napkin	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:46:12 AM
Is in number 2 when Doc Octopus wakes up with his arms fused to his back. And you know it. If the whole series had been like that, we'd all be DEAD by now. From AWESOMENESS.
Fuck The Napkin by ecm	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:58:06 AM
I agree. That scene was badass. With the shadows of the claws and the docters being killed. I saw that and I thought it was the most violent scene of that whole movie. No music. Just sound FX. Yes, death by sheer awesomeness. Thats the way I wanna go...
You people are fucking brutal by thedoctor28	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:15:52 PM
Jesus Christ people! All the hate! Movies are fun to watch. THATS IT!! They are not supposed to fulfill your whole life and make all your hopes and dreams come true. Shrek 3 was funny as hell. That high school scene was bust a gut funny. I admit that SM3 was not as good as the first 2 but Christ, it was ok, fun to watch for the most part. Mike Myers is a funny guy. WW 1 and 2 and AP 123 are classic funny movies that I love, as well as Shrek 123, funny as fuk as far as I am concerned. Half the people here want to chop these guys heads off, they made a movie. Not your fukin life salvation, get over it!!
So let's see.. by Johnno	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:19:11 PM
Shrek? No! Ooberman? Interesting! Iron Man 2? Yes! Spidey 4? Spidey 3 sucked, but I'll give him a chance...
fanboys just wante very comic film to be UBER DARK by knowthyself	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:19:22 PM
I enjoy the light hearted fun of Raimi's spiderman series even part 3. Fuck this idea that every comic needs to be dark and depressing.
McSweeney was right...familiarity breeds contempt. by knowthyself	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:22:46 PM

Hmm... Could it be??? by marcspector	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:32:25 PM
When Spidey became a member of the Fantastic Four briefly and went around as the Bombastic Bag Man? A little Marvel movie cross-over? Maybe he fights Dr Doom? I would be down for that. Of course, it will never happen.
wait, people are actually hating on Drag Me to Hell? by wash	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:35:18 PM
I hated SM3 as much as ANYONE, but Drag Me to Hell was the best time I've had in the theater all year. Raimi in top form...can't wait to watch it again.
but SM4 by wash	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:39:31 PM
I'm not opposed to Raimi returning but I'd sure like a new cast. I don't think McGuire is into it anymore except for the moola, and same goes for Kirsten. I say put Lohman in the chick role for sure. Have no idea for Petey. I think I'd even like Shia LePoof better in the role.
Oobermind = Dr. Horrible by Brannagins Law	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:46:13 PM
sans singing... hopefully
Worst sequels EVER = Shrek 3 & Spidey 3 by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:46:47 PM
They need a fourth film just to restore the franchises. What is remarkable is that the 2nd films in these franchises were INCREDIBLE...and the 3rd films were TERRIBLE (much worse than so-so).
Great villain for Spiderman 4 = by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:48:59 PM
Kraven the Hunter. What a great story to be told! It could be a reverse THE MOST DANGEROUS GAME...but set in New York City.
Bring on the Wrecking Crew!----- by theycallmemrtibbs	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:50:04 PM
The Black Cat, Ummm the Rhino, Kraven the hunter and Cloak and Dagger-----I want to see them all in the first 45 minutes. Then I want the movie to conclude with the return of Doc Ock, a Hobgoblin team -up with the Lizard to face off with Spidey on top of the Statue of Liberty's left nipple. Make It happen Dammit!-----NOWWW!
Oh yeah ''THERE'S GOTTA BE ROOM FOR MORGAN FREEMAN!!! by theycallmemrtibbs	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:51:51 PM

Spiderman 4 Teaser FAKE or Just LAZY by Drzhavago	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:53:31 PM
I have a hard time believing the Spiderman 4 Teaser is real. Look closely at the upper Right and you can clearly see the World Trade Centers. I know back with Spiderman 1 the promotion work and trailer used the Trade Centers but that was before 9-11. Using the images today is just plain lazy and insensitive. Would Marvel, Rami, Columbia be that careless or is this a fan creation? I would hope its not real!
Bitch bitch bitch by DiggerNick	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:59:29 PM
It's the same talkback for every post. "I hate movies. That movie sucked. That director sucks. Whiner baby bullshit...yadda yadda yadda." I wish you would all have a stroke while jerking off to hentai.
They need to kill off MJ in the first 5 minutes by RipleysPubisMound	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:59:39 PM
Spidey goes all Bourne and shit and then realizes he's better than that becomes a hero once more. But really they have to kill off MJ. It has to be because of her link to Spider Man and Peter has to deal with that emotional pain.
The Spidey 3 fight I liked best by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:00:52 PM
was the Hobgoblin one near the beginning where Peter is on his scooter, and Harry picks him up.
But, for the record... by DiggerNick	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:01:36 PM
Spider-man 3 was shitty...great...now I sound like one of you! Next thing you know I'll be saying they should do stop-motion effects for Spider-man 4.
Spidey Poster by Drzhavago	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:10:50 PM
So it seems that the Poster was unveiled at the Licensing Expo in Las Vegas. Am I the only one that thinks the World Trade Centers inclusion on the poster is just insensitive and sloppy. Fix this Rami, Columbia or Marvel and DON'T think about putting the teaser on display anywhere in the NY tri-state area.
The Doc Ock Spider-Man train fight is EASILY the greatest comic by gunnarcannibal	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:17:48 PM
That is one of the few times a comic book truly came to life before my eyes and that has EVERYTHING to do with Sam Raimi...and that whole Evil Deadish scene with the arms coming to life in the operating room was brilliant, that whole movie is amazing, how dare you! How easily you forget! Raimi obviously cares about Peter Parker and understands the character...oh yeah, Spider-Man 3 was a massive kick to the nuts! Had some great scenes but it just completely fell apart at the end, but I still have faith in Sam, just as long as they let him make the movie he wants to make with the characters he cares about.
Drzhavago... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:19:13 PM
Maybe the inclusion of a photo with the Twin Towers will make this a "time travel" film...in which Spidey goes back in time trying to save good ol' Uncle Ben from losing his job? ;-P
Spiderman 2 > Spiderman > constipation > Spiderman 3 by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:20:24 PM
'Nuff said.
Spider-Man 2 is beyond amazing how dare you! by gunnarcannibal	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:21:18 PM
The Doc Ock Spider-Man train fight is EASILY the greatest comic book fight scene in history ever for all time! That is one of the few times a comic book truly came to life before my eyes and that has EVERYTHING to do with Sam Raimi...and that whole Evil Deadish scene with the arms coming to life in the operating room was brilliant, that whole movie is amazing, how dare you! How easily you forget! Raimi obviously cares about Peter Parker and understands the character...oh yeah, Spider-Man 3 was a massive kick to the nuts! Had some great scenes but it just completely fell apart at the end, but I still have faith in Sam, just as long as they let him make the movie he wants to make with the characters he cares about.
ccchhhrrriiisssm by Drzhavago	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:26:28 PM
Maybe the genius that is Sony/Columbia think that the villain should be Osama Bin Laden in 4 and Spidey is going to stop the attacks of September 11th! Start printing money Sony this is BOX OFFICE GOLD in the works.
Shrek Goes Fourth by filmcans	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:29:19 PM
Thought they were calling it SHREK GOES FOURTH? I like the old title better.
4...that's it? by ChezKing	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:59:59 PM
That's all they could come up with for that poster? The number 4? Are the not going to come up with a subtitle??? I am looking forward to the next Spidey movie, but they really should come up with titles for the next set of movies.
shrek title by PBoy	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:01:47 PM
Shrek: working hard 4 the money.
Uncle Ben by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:03:09 PM
It just irks me everytime I think about Peter no longer being "responsible". I just don't get why they had to do that. It was already there why change it? But I agree it was good (not great) but the last act just became a jumbled mess, but the fights still had good moments, I love the extreme quick moment of Spidey and Venom fighting upwards through the air. Unless I am crazy. Crap now I have to go put it in and make sure.
I AM really excited to see SM4... by Rakafraker	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:08:55 PM
I love spidey films. I love Raimi's directing style. So SM3 was a bit messy. If it wasn't for Avi Arad pressuring Raimi to include Venom at the 11th hour (even though Raimi swore he'd never have Venom), SM3 would have been fantastic. We would have gotten Lizard, especially! The reason I look most forward to SM4 is because Raimi is going to be given complete control (for the first time on SM), with no studio interference which, to me, says that SM4 might just be the best of the bunch. I can't wait to find out. As for Shrek, yes, 3 was mediocre at best, I hope that 4 far surpasses it. Iron Man 2 should be good. I wasn't much for Terrence Howard. He was a bit schmaltzy. Cheadle is more of a hard-liner and is better fit (I'm glad that Howard is endorsing Cheadle. Classy move.). Oobermind, I still have very little to go on, so I'll just say that I like that many of the superhero stories coming out are focusing on the villian. Let's face it, there are some pretty rich character themes to be explored by looking at the darker personae. Did someone say that Pixar is making Cars 2 before Incredibles 2??? WTF??? I'm a huge automobile enthusiast, but Cars, the movies, didn't do much for me. Incredibles, however, is still my fave Pixar movie. sigh
Yeah, Sandman being the killer by GaiustheBrave	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:22:47 PM
was a horrible idea. It took all the emotion from SM1 and SM2 and pretty much invalidated it. The scene with Peter telling Aunt May about what happened that night in SM2 was one of my favorite dramatic scenes ever. It lifted the quality of the movie another level. Then, along comes SM3 and makes the whole scene an exercise in futility.
The Spider-Man series was fucked from the start by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:23:11 PM
First off, Raimi has done a generally awesome job, with the exception of III, but the Spider-Man series was doomed to go out with a whimper instead of a bang because they did one thing horribly wrong - they had the first movie be about the Green Goblin and butchered the Death of Gwen Stacy story line. The most important Spider-Man story outside of his origin can now never be told in this series. If they had saved the Green Goblin and the Death of Gwen Stacy until Part III they could have had so many different toys and angles to work with. Now any attempts to do so will just be a mockery of it. In fact, I think any problems to this series can be traced to that mistake. Bored with MJ? Well, if you hadn't fucked up the Stacy story line you could have brought in another love interest for one or two movies. Parker's character getting bland? Hell, after the death of his true love you could go dark for a movie and you wouldn't even need a symbiote to do it (plus, he wouldn't have come across as whiny as he did in part III - his fucking gf died). Need motivation for people to go after Spider-Man?
hit enter to quick by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:25:25 PM
Well, when Spider-Man is held responsible for the death of Gwen Stacy, it is easy to see J.J Jameson and the cops going after him (and maybe hiring Kraven or creating a Scorpion to fight him). Had they saved the Death of Gwen Stacy and the Death of the Green Goblin, all problems would have been solved.
Spider 4: The Apology by shutupfanboy	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:45:49 PM
I heard the Moribus rumor, but I get the feeling he maybe a cameo more then villain. Spidey 3 was a movie trying to do too much with very little time. Look at my username and see who I blame for that disaster. Death of Gwen Stacy would had been a terrible first movie. The first movie should be light and then move to darker tone. To have Gwen die in that film would have been a dagger in the heart. People don't go to comic books films espically the first one with blockbuster money behind it to be depressed. If you want to be depressing after the second that is fine, but at least have an idea of what you want to do for a third film, I'm looking at you, Nolan/Bale Batman franchise. It might have been cool, but really Gwen has been put on this pedestal that she never deserved to be on. Not having Gwen in the films at all would have been a better move that way people would never have bitched about it. Spidey 4 can be good depending on the villain, but the real crime of the Spidey films is killing Doc Ock, because a Sinster Six movie would have kicked all kinds of ass. If I were about any of those films, Iron Man 2 being dark and moody compared to how much fun the first one which is why people loved that about the first film is my big question mark move.
Superman, Spider Man 2, Iron Man, Dark Knight by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 02:58:38 PM
That's it right there
Shrek 4 - Yawn by hallmitchell	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:03:56 PM
I couldn't even be bother seeing three. I'm looking forward to the others.
I'm sure it does suck by Sal_Bando	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:04:54 PM
What can you really do w/ it-Will Farrell in a goofy 70's Kroft bros dinosaur show? Better they just went for it and hired Stephen Sommers to direct a Far Out Space Nuts flick instead, casting Oliver Platt and Steve Buscemi-
Never understood the Shrek hype by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:08:41 PM
Though I did like the scene in I am Legend where Will Smith does the whole scene from Shrek.
spidey by fxmulder35	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:11:51 PM
One was great. Two was great. Three was.......ehhhhh....and I'm not looking forward to 4. Enough already guys. Same old, same old.
shutupfanboy by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:12:11 PM
I don't know if your statement about the Death of Gwen Stacy was a reply to my comment or not. But I agree with you that the Death of Gwen Stacy would have made a horrible first picture, that is why I suggested they save it for part 3. As for Doc Oct being dead, well, that could just be a classic "mysterious death" they do in comics so well. I mean, the body never was found.
Land of the Lost by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:18:43 PM
Will Ferrell; Ben Stiller; Owen Wilson; Vince Vaughn on and on - one trick ponies when it comes to comedy these days. They all have some talent, but they stay safe and safe is usually boring. I don't hate any of them, but so bored by their beats, I see them coming a mile away anymore. Gee, wonder if Ferrell will get excited and do his "I drive a Dodge Dart!" voice. Wonder if he'll go "hey little fella, what's the mat -" and the animal will attack his face.
Death of Gwen by shutupfanboy	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:33:29 PM
I thought you posted to go with that one first. My bad. Still, I hear that agreement all the time for Spidey 1. My thing with Spidey is that he shouldn't be that dark. He is the light hearted anti-hero. He has some dark stories, but the character is not dark by nature just some bad luck. I am so tired that every comic book hero has to be Dark Knight. I hate to break it to people by the ending of Dark Knight is going to kill this franchise. They should have killed Joker and kept Two-Face as soon as Heath arrived DOA at the hospital. I love Dark Knight, but the ending is a disaster to the entire franchise and mythos that I really do think Batman 3 will be more of a problem then any other sequel made in the next five years.
I agree with you on both counts fanboy by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:37:30 PM
Spider-Man should be light. You can go dark here and there because he is supposed to represent the Everyman with his ups-and-downs, but the overall movie should be light and fun (and melodramatic). Maybe one movie could be dark but at the end it should become light (the one following the Death of Gwen Stacy for example). But like I said, now they have blown it by getting rid of the most dramatic thing that has ever happened to him. I also agree about TDK. It is going to be hard to continue the franchise, but in Nolan's defense he admits he doesn't think of this in terms of franchise and series but as individual movies. I think he just went out to make the best damn Batman movie he could, hell with the consequences (of course, no it is going to be hard to follow up on it).
I agree MJ should die. First 5 min? Sure. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:41:03 PM
And I'm really digging the 'Spidey v Kraven v Lizard" idea that's been bouncing around. Ben Kingsley would be an awesome Vulture, but I can only see the character showing up in the third act as the one that hired Kraven. I don't know, I want to quit Raimi's Spiderman movies, but I really enjoyed the first one, and the second one was a terrific follow up. But 3? I wish I could throw that biyatch into Final Cut and make a version focusing on the black suit and how dangerous it is. But the movie would only be 30 minutes long.
Damn, it was Stratus - lol! by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:42:09 PM

Can't wait for more dancing!!! by moonlightdrive	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:43:14 PM

fanboy: Kill the Joker? by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:43:34 PM
Thats the mistake they made in the 1989 film. Joker serves as a constant menace to Batman, and pushes him to break his self-imposed heroics in favor of insanity. Without Joker, Batman is basically Punisher.
Thank you, Nolan! by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:45:06 PM
Make the best damn movie you can make and if you find you're done, so be it. I get what you mean about Two-Face, but I found it refreshing to create such a good character and then kill him off. Took balls and damn if we don't need more of that in Hollywood.
zom bot: Gerard Butler! Genius! by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:45:13 PM
I was thinking Bardem, but after pt 3 thats asking way too much.
Joker Gordon Levitt by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:48:37 PM
Yeah, I agree, killing the Joker would have been too easy for him to be rid of once and for all. I like that there can still be his influence in that world. Even if we can't see him on screen. (Damn.) Your handle had me laughing for I was thinking a few weeks ago how Ledgery he looks. (for what that's worth.)
zom-bot by Spamgelus	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:49:47 PM
"...but who could be kingpin?" Harry Knowles?
Yeah. I'm digging it zom bot by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:58:03 PM
Kingpin should have frustrations in dealing with psycopaths. Kraven as a 'predator' type character would rock.
Clockwork: thanks man. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:00:05 PM
He's the only worthy successor in my mind. They could pass for brothers, and levitt's not your typical heartthrob poser. Still, even if they did decide to use him for joker in DK2, I can only see it working as a visit to arkham. No sense in trying to out-Heath Heath.
I've always had issues with Spidey flicks by TheLastCleric	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:03:30 PM
Tobey is just too morose and sad to be a fun Spiderman. Peter Parker in the comics has plenty of weight on his shoulders but he's also able to have some serious fun as a superhero and he's an incessant smart-ass, all of which are aspects of his character that Tobey never got. I still think Ryan Reynolds would have been an absolutely brilliant Spiderman. As for Drag Me to Hell, it had some charm but the camp damn near destroyed the horror element. I'd argue that both Midnight Meat Train and Quarantine were actually better recent horror flicks.
I'd much prefer another movie set in the by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:04:22 PM
Evil Dead/Drag Me to Hell universe than Spidy 4...can't get enough supernatural slapstick horror.
Joker doesn't need to be in the film too long by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:04:59 PM

Joker doesn't need to be in the film too long by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:08:19 PM
Just enough to show that he's in a padded cell waiting for his big return. No makeup, just scars. Just imagine a confined, uncomfortable, seething-under-the-surface performance.
GaiustheBrave by malificus	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:08:35 PM
It's obviously further along than I thought, I was unaware that they had signed Raimi officially yet I thought it was still real limbo'd, I am too woefully misinformed on this subject to be effectively posting on it. I will say though that I love Raimi, can't wait to see Drag Me To Hell and I will definitely see Spider-Man 4, though grudgingly. It just seems an ad when there's absolutely nothing to technically advertise seems stupid.
Joker Gordon Levitt/zom-bot.com by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:16:11 PM
Exactly. There is a way to finesse it. And certainly later-on someone else can play their version, but Heath and Nolan have theirs, not to mention, as much fun as Joker is, we've had his movie, so to speak. But keep that influence alive. Basically, I trust Nolan and will be excited if goes again and what he and his team come up with. The whole IMAX scenes shows me he cares about making the experience as cool as possible.
Spiderman 4 Villian by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:20:29 PM
Just do the whole Fight Club let-down. Or is that really just more symbiote stuff? Damn, just do the Freddy vs. Jason vs. Predator vs. Alien vs. Spiderman already!
Yes, yes, "Villain" by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:21:16 PM

IMAX was definitely appreciated in TDK by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:24:31 PM
Boy, am I glad there wasn't any LieMAX theaters last summer.
Malificus, you're right by GaiustheBrave	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:28:25 PM
the ad is pretty stupid at this point. It's like advertising for a store that's just broken ground. If you're gonna tease, tease. Show a dark shadow moving in the distance or something. A big number on a web is just boring to look at. Still, I can't help but get a lil' excited everytime I see or hear something new about this. I'm willing to forgive Raimi for SM3 and give him a bit of faith after SM1&2 and Drag Me To Hell (the first movie this summer that left me with a big, silly grin on my face).
Just had a terrible thought... by GaiustheBrave	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:30:50 PM
Imagine Kingpin in a body suit like Juggernaut. Just remember, I said it first. It will happen. If not in SM4 (please, God) some time soon.
TheLastCleric... by GaiustheBrave	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:34:19 PM
So, you didn't enjoy a corpse vomiting embalming fluids into Alison Lohman's mouth or a talking goat? Classic Raimi! I guess Raimi's slapstick, over-the-top horror isn't for everyone. Gerard Butler would be a great Kraven, btw. Here's hoping. Adding Vulture would just result in the same mistakes SM3 made, though. Too many villains in too little film. IMHO.
zom-bot.com by GaiustheBrave	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:38:29 PM
If you liked Evil Dead, you'll love Drag Me To Hell. It may be that I just had relatively low expectations for this and high ones for everything else, like Trek, Wolverine and Terminator, but I was very happy that I saw it on a lark. I won't lie, it was campy. Campy, but fun as hell.
Villain I want to see (or not see, hint, hint) by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:38:35 PM
Dr. Noah Buddy.
Get the FUCK over it about 3 already by xile1c	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:45:45 PM
Raimi didn't have any control over that movie. He said over and over he never liked Venom, but was forced to do it anyway. It's over and done. He has creative control for 4, so give him a chance for fuck's sakes.
Maybe they didn't kill Doc Ock by Silverhour	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:16:17 PM
It could easily be retconed that his arms pulled him away as the 'sun' he created sank, dragging him to the surface before he drowned. I will say I didn't hate SM3, but it was dissapointing to have such a poor Venom forced on us. I think Sandman and Harry as Green Goblin would have worked just fine. Introducing Brock was fine, setting us up for a full on Venom movie in 4, but cramming 3 villians in was overkill, when the first two only had 1 each. I don't really have anything to say on any of the other posters, except that I am looking forward to Ironman 2, can't seem to care about Shrek 4, and have no attachment to any of the other properties one way or another.
The Vulture would only work as a villain by smackfu	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:40:07 PM
if he was played by Larry David. As a loser wannabee villain, who in trying to prove himself as a villain actually does something really over the top awful.
Harry would still have to slim down to play Mojo by smackfu	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:45:34 PM

Hoffman for Kingpin by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:05:35 PM

OMG LD AS THE VULTURE by TheExterminator	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:08:44 PM
FUCKING GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!smackfu you are the man ahhaha that would be the shit. him scorpion,mysterio, shocker should be up to some caper at the start. in a sidenote vulture is in the kraven series that has the famous movie covers (guessing that's why ppl have mentioned him)
Hey Vulture is a great villain! by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:11:45 PM
He just worked better when Peter Parker was a teenager in HS because the whole generation gap thing was more apparent (all of Spidey's early villains were pretty much metaphors for bad adult/older generation figures.
Am I the only one who thinks Raimi doesn't get it? by ORGANIZED CHAOS	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:20:31 PM
mean, don't get me wrong. I love the movies, particularly the first two. But to me, they're a guilty pleasure for the following reasons: 1. Maguire's Spiderman has zero charisma or humor. C'mon it's spidey! He uses sarcasm as a defense mechanism during the fights in the comics but you don't see any of that here. No wit, no cleverness, just some lazy ass dork. I get it, he's SUPPOSED to be a dork in high school, but not for THREE FRICKIN' MOVIES! I kinda have the feeling it's because Tobey is a very limited actor. Really he's not great at all and, I think, the wrong choice for Spidey. One of the reasons I was so disapointed with 3 is because Topher Grace would have been PERFECT as Spiderman. It's so frustrating. He has EVERYTHING Maguire lacks. It's like Raimi kinda felt that too in a way, considering he said Brock would be a mirror for Peter. But now, there's no way we'll see Topher being Spiderman, particularly considering the fact that his career seems to have been flushed down the toilet. 2.Bad scripts. Am I the only one who thinks that these scripts are laden with cliche and absolutely cringe-worthy lines? Not to mention Raimi's obsessive need to make every movie "A lesson Peter has to learn". For god's sake it's been three movies! And it's not just kids watching this. Raimi gives Spidey no fun, it's always struggles and "lessons to learn". I remember an interview with Raimi where he said something along the lines of "The question for me, with this one, is what does Peter have to learn this time?". HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LEARN ANYTHING. 3. It seems to me Raimi focuses on the romance aspect of the story, wrongly thinking that people like this. He is absolutely wrong, people don't care, especially since it's not done particularly well. Admit it, when you watch the movie, you're counting the seconds for the MJ-Peter scenes to end. I rest my case, as I am obviously right and you need no further convincing.
ORGANIZED CHAOS by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:28:12 PM
Only thing I would point out as I always loved those thought bubbles during the fights in the comics, but I'm not sure those would translate well in a movie. As Vulture attacks we hear voice-over - "I can't believe M.J.'s late again this month." Jump around, spin here and there. Voice over "These evil baddies are one thing, but I'm not about to change diapers." Duck and cover. "Well, I'm sure Aunt May will have a speech to make me feel better about the pregnancy." Lol! Yes, I suck! But damn that was fun!
SmackFu by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 06:28:40 PM
Yeah, I've posited the idea of Larry David as the Vulture, but that's actually a good take on how to do the character. No one takes him seriously, the cops ignore him, Spidey's not even aware of him until he, I don't know, blows up a school (Peter's old school?). Still, I want S-M4 to be the Lizard story. Lizard, then Kraven shows up to hunt him. Spidey's gotta protect Lizard and fight him at the same time. Simple. Elegant. And keeping with the themes of the previous installments.
STOP GIVING AWAY TOO MUCH IN SPIDERMAN TRAILERS! by GibsonUSA Returns	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:02:13 PM
Stop basically telling the whole story in the trailer.
Organized Chaos by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:08:50 PM
Those are all valid points. I guess I've tried to black all that out in my head, but you're right. Maybe it is time for Raimi to step aside. Then again, now that the 'trilogy of learning' is over, he can really let loose and just have a balls-out fight-fest. That said, Aunt May's hero speech from Spidey 2 still tears me up a little. This coming from a guy who secretly wants to be a costumed vigilante.
TedKordLives by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:12:03 PM
"secretly wants to be a costumed vigilante"? You practically shout it every TB.
To me the Spider-Man series will always be about missed oppurtun by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:16:05 PM
The fact that they will never do a proper Death of Gwen Stacy or Death of Captain Stacy just annoys me, as does the fact we probably will never see a cool Hobgoblin saga like the one Roger Stern wrote (I always though he had great potential as a Spider-Man villain - someone whose identity is unknown until he is finally unmasked and revealed to be ___?)
Plus, all Marvel sequels should be required by law... by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:18:12 PM
...to have the characters adjectives in front of the name for the sequels. Iron Man 2 should be called Invincible Iron Man, the third Hulk should be called Rampaging Hulk, and Spider-Man 2, 3 & 4 should have been Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man and Web of Spider-Man. Punisher should just be forgotten.
Really? by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:18:16 PM
Wow, I'm more deluded than I didn't think that I really was. Thanks for the info, Conti. I appreciate it. I prefer straight truths to bullshit any day of the week.
Just don't change Ted by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:19:49 PM
I like my TedKordLives to be delusional and dressed in a Blue Beetle costume at all times.
Conti by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:23:51 PM
spiderman 1+2 work as streamlined films adapted from comics..im not the biggest spiderman buff but i thought they did a good job.sandman was good too. i wish they just stuck with the classic characters though..venom and gwen stacy dont belong together AT ALL. they DID miss a huge opportunity to lengthen the series with not doing anything with gwen-mary jane-peter. IT WAS RIGHT THERE. IN FRONT OF THEM!!! missed opportunity indeed.
Never Compromise by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:27:00 PM
Not even in the face of ridiculousness.
6DB by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:27:42 PM
I agree 6DB. My problem with the series is that the movies haven't realized what was one of Spider-Man's greatest strengths, the uncertainty of his personal life. Before the powers that be declared MJ his Lois Lane, he could have been with Betty Grant, MJ, Gwen, or even Black Cat (Debbie Stillman was just a fling). But the movies have basically said - nope: he has one main squeeze. No one else. B-O-R-I-N-G. And Ted, reading my comments toward you I hope you don't think I am being an asshole towards you. Just some harmless teasing.
i always thought GUY PEARCE would be a good JOKER by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:28:24 PM
hes got the same face structure. hes worked with nolan. why cant this happen if they "need" Joker for third film? they dont need Joker for third film come to think of it, they can just reference it in an offhand way.
BATMAN 3 = PENGUIN by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:31:21 PM
I know i am in the minority but I really hope they use the Penguin in part 3. And I am not taking about him as a British arms dealer, or a guy who runs and club and acts as a snitch, but as an actual villain/master criminal. I think he just gets the short end of the stick is such a better villain than people think or than he was been shown the last couple of decades.
Too many typos and grammar errors by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:32:08 PM
Sign for me to start drinking.
conti-- by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:33:27 PM
yeah in the 2nd film they couldve brought in Gwen or Betty and just let it take its course. but i think the stusios thought the audiences wanted some sort of resolution. 400+ issues into 3 films cant work. if you're gonna make a franchise like this or batman or xmen (which have at least 40 years in the making) dont make them a greatest hits package. which comes down to rule # 3 in trilogy making--makes sure you have a complete arc for all your films (how many it may be) sigh, now im bummed.
Nah. by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:33:37 PM
We're all just having fun here, right? Except for the people who hate everything. And I like to think that makes them happy in some small way. Oh, and look for me on Youtube this fall, recreating the Buckaroo Bonzai end credits as Blue Beetle and friends. It WILL happen.
clayface would be nice if they could pull it off by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:35:22 PM
have no idea who would play it.
Clayface? by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:37:26 PM
Not in Nolan's Gotham. How about Deadshot? Originally he presented himself as a fellow vigilante, whilst secretly being EVIL! That opens up some interesting themes.
6DB, TKL by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:38:31 PM
I know you are bummed Six Demon, but just think, they haven't fucked up the Blue Beetle trilogy yet, so a great one can still be made. Personally, I want an Ant-Man trilogy: Pt 1 he is Ant-Man and meets the Wasp, part 2 he is Giant-Man and marries the Wasp, and part 3 he becomes Yellowjacket and beats her like they were Chris Brown and Rihanna. And yes, I am skipping a Goliath phase.
ted--did you get the BB song? by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:38:42 PM

I think 6DB means the old Clayface by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:39:13 PM
You know, the psychotic actor.
Keifer Sutherland as The Joker by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:40:13 PM
Damn, that would be perfect.
Oh yeah, forget there's been like 6 of them. by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:41:04 PM
6DB, nope, but I have a friend who's an A/V editor. I'm sure he could rip it for me.
Is it just me... by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:43:07 PM
Or should that new Ant-Man be the one that gets stepped on? I've always wanted to see that.
If you mean the irredeemable Ant-Man by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:45:03 PM
I would love to step on him. Marvel fucked up one of the greatest potential crossovers ever: Ted Kord Blue Beetle meeting a Scott Lang Ant-Man. They both have this everyman quality to them that makes them endearing.
ted--what about you tube? by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:46:23 PM
or could i email the song?
Conti first, then you 6DemonBag by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:52:01 PM
Yeah, I see that. Scott Lang was fucking cool. Yeah, so Wanda brings back Hawkeye but just totally forgets Scott. What a bummer. Man, that WOULD have been a sweet x-over. Yeah Six, it's on Youtube, but it'd sound better if it was pulled from the DVD. You could mail it to me at work, but I don't know how to get it somewhere where I could use it. Shit, this old fucker doesn't even have a cd-rom. Much obliged, tho Sadly, I am not as technically proficient as my avatar/messiah.
Uh-oh. I said 'Avatar'. by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:56:16 PM
Shield your eyes, men! Avert your eyes!
how is SM3 by Phategod2	Jun 3rd, 2009 07:57:15 PM
Avi Avrads fault? I can see insisting the movie have Venom in it but He did not control how the character was written and how it was portrayed. Raimi had the oppurtunity to create a character that knows all peter's secrets, all his powers just like he did with the goblin only stronger. Instead he pouted and the whole movie suffered. If your boss asks you to do something that you don't want to do, do you Half ass it just because you do not want to do it. Or do you do it with as much effort as you can and show people what you capable of even when pushed. If any thing SM3 shows Raimi has the potential to destroy a movie if he does not get his way.
'Potential to destroy a movie' by TedKordLives	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:02:54 PM
Well, yeah, every director ever has had that power. Just sayin'. But you are right in that he sorta phoned it in because he didn't get his way. Sucks for us, but whatever. That final fight at the construction site was so badass to me that it, more or less, softened the blow of some of the suckier elements of the film.
Phategod2 by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:05:47 PM
Yeah, but my understanding is that is was so late in the game (by comparison) that there was never time to really flesh out a decent Venom arc. It was just stick him in becasue the kids want it. That screws up the whole flow. Sandman got the short end of the stick too. Really all the villains had cameos. I wish the symbiote would have been used in a darker way. I don't know.
Conti by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:09:46 PM
That Shooter story with YJ whuppin on lil Wasp, was truly great -not the subject, but the writing. What the hell ever happened to Shooter?
Six Demon nailed it by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:10:13 PM
When he says they never mapped out more than just one movie at a time. I don't even see Spider-Man as a trilogy, I see it as at least a hexalogy (six stories). They should have known where they wanted to go for at least three or four movies down the line instead of just thinking about what is in front of their face. I don't like Venom, but I understand he is popular so I realize that if you are going to use him it will take at least two movies to do it - one to introduce the symbiote and Eddie Brock, and one to show Venom.
Secret Wars and New Universe happened to him by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:11:53 PM
And I am not saying those are bad thinks toad, but I think he started coming to the opinion that readers will buy anything and all that matters is how much you can profit from gimmicks. But for a short time he was Marvel's best EIC ever.
Shooter did two truly great things by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:13:09 PM
Demanded that Jean Grey die at the end of the Phoenix Saga, and wrote the Korvac Saga.
I refuse to believe that Raimi could not refuse Arad by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:15:22 PM
He had two of the highest grossing movies of all time under his belt. Spidey 2 was universally acclaimed. And you are telling me that Raimi could not dictate terms, or could not say I aint doing that? Hell no. Sounds like apologists to me. Raimi apologists. Blame it on someone else. Not the Director. Well, Spiderman I was not a good movie. Spiderman II was excellent, so in my book, dude lucked out more than he showed true talent.
TRILOGIES SUCK MORE THAN NOT by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:18:43 PM
I just hate when after the first one does well then everything MUST be a trilogy. Spider-man to me is a continuing story, and doesn't need a nice little package for everything to fit in, or a trilogy. It just ties your hands. Of course think about what you want to work in in the future. And I know movies are want to make everything neat and tidy . . . Again, we didn't need the origin of the Joker. He shows up and bam. And then he's caught. None of this "I killed Uncle Ben and am the reason you are who you are and I built C3PO." Bah!
what is EIC by Phategod2	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:19:08 PM
I'm sorry for the question I wonder if your refering to the Tax credit.
by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:20:32 PM
Spielberg still has to answer to the suits. Lucas is smart because he pays for everything. If you ain't paying you have to deal with those who are. It sucks. Not that Sam didn't make some silly choices for SM3. I'm not saying he's completely innocent.
Pissed off Claremont and Byrne, but it was the right move by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:20:57 PM
Yes, the Beyonder shit was so fucked up, I stopped reading Marvel books for a long time. But Shooter was a very talented, writer a child prodigy in fact. Only Roy Thomas and David Michelinie and Claremont -with Byrne - not in his "great writer" phase after Byrne left, were better in that time frame.
The above is to toadkillerdog by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:21:13 PM

Editor -in-Chief by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:21:38 PM
Of Marvel
A_Clockwork_Irony by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:25:43 PM
Raimi aint no Speilberg. but I do get your point. Still, absolving a director of blame when the movie is bad, smacks of an apologist attitude. Should he get credit if the movie is good? Aferall, Arad was producer of Spidey 2.
toadkillerdog by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:28:05 PM
No your point is a valid one. I agree. I think they both are to blame. And I think they can shake and make up and get back to making a good 4th. Oh please! And don't forget the Danny Elfman debacle. He walked right off the project. Jeepers!
Anyone else see the Venom face at the bottom? by genro	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:39:09 PM
It's in the fifth web strand from the bottom, right below the point where the web is melting.
A_Clockwork_Irony by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:41:58 PM
I too hope they can make a great Spidey 4 - I have my doubts, but I do hope they can knock it out of the park. If the get rid of snaggle tooth, I would really be happy.
Shooter also helmed Marvel during one of it best by Continentalop	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:43:21 PM
phases, and during it most transitional, going from the still living off the Lee/Kirby/Ditko stuff to actually making the titles vibrant again without seeming redundant. Byrne on FF; Miller on Daredevil; Simonson on Thor; Clairmont on X-Men; Layton on Iron Man; and Stern on Spider-Man and the Avengers. All those titles had renaissance under these young writers, bringing those titles back to the level when Lee, Kirby, Ditko and Romita where working on them. And sometimes these writer's vision of the character actually replaced the original writers (especially DD & X-Men). Only Wolfman and Perez on Teen Titans compare to the Marvel stuff. Funny thing is almost all of those guys hated Shooter and couldn't wait to see him go.
The 4 sideways also looks like a J by genro	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:47:23 PM
Man-Wolf, Morbius and Venom?
Is that a hand in the bottom right pulling on the web? by genro	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:54:05 PM
hard to tell from the distortion of the poster. I'm beginning to wonder if he's doing the Sinister Six.
My bad for omitting Miller on DD - amazing work by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:54:51 PM
I loved Simonsons creativity and energy on Thor, and his art work is breathatking. Byrne also had amazing moments with FF and Superman. The Layton/Michelinie team just blew me away as a child Iron Man was of little interest to me. Always scrambling for a light socket after throwing one punch. But when Layton/Michelinie team took over, it was magic. Iron Man to this day is my favorite character thanks to what they did. And though Denny fucking O'neil did his best to undo it, he could not.
genro - it is obvious the viillan is The Shocker! by toadkillerdog	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:57:36 PM
Wearing his classic asbestos suit!
clockwork- by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:58:23 PM
trilogies only suck if you dont have a plan from the beginning..if you make a film and then its popular and then try to tack on two more stories or so...thats when they suck
re: toadkillerdog by hatemphd	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:00:26 PM

re: toadkillerdog by hatemphd	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:06:13 PM
As was noted, he was put into a script that had nothing to do with his character very late in pre-production. As in they added his character to a completed script that was ready for filming. Hell, early promotional posters had sandman's daughter primarily featured, and her scenes were mostly cut and unfilmed. So yeah, for all the crappy scenes involving venom, raimi shouldn't be blamed. But everything else that didn't work in the film is his fault. No one is letting him off the hook for his dancing, or the all knowing butler of exposition.
Phategod2... by GaiustheBrave	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:06:26 PM
"If your boss asks you to do something that you don't want to do, do you Half ass it just because you do not want to do it." Everyday. Everyday. Speaking of Guy Pierce, when are we getting the dtv sequel to Memento, "Memento 2: Shit, I Killed Teddy...Again!"? Also, as for the "what lesson can we teach Peter" themes. As long as they translate to "how can Peter evolve" I don't see the problem. I get it; no one wants to see Peter crying for two hours. But, the first two movies worked because Peter was allowed to evolve and grow as a person, that is, there was plenty of character development. And, in a way, the villains were metaphors for what he was experiencing.
Spider-Man 4 by malificus	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:17:05 PM
Start with a first-half bit where Spidey fights a cool Electro, then present the origin of the Lizard, then Pete has to save his old prof by curing him before Kraven hunts him down as the ultimate game. I'll leave casting to those less-qualified.
Six Demon Bag by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:21:11 PM
No doubt. That's what I mean by it sucks when they decide AFTER the first one that it MUST be a trilogy which every damn blockbuster seems to turn into. I mean, trilogies take finesse, not hey, they're doing it so why not us. So I agree with you.
malificus - I'd go a few steps further by GreatOne3	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:51:23 PM
Open the movie with a montage of Spider-Man fighting villains - Electro, Beetle, Kane, Hydro, Hammerhead, Chameleon, Mysterio, etc. They obviously are not going to make movies spotlighting every one of them, so why throw them altogether in an opening shot?
Oobermind looks like Marvel's generic comic book from the 80's by Chuck_Chuckwalla	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:56:26 PM
Google it.
trilogies need an endgame from the beginning by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:20:37 PM

Hint in Spidey Poster..... by mpiehler	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:25:19 PM
Am I the only one who thinks the poster looks like the sun is SETTING on NYC??? IF that is the case, I think it does give a MAJOR clue to who the new baddie could be......thoughts?
Mobius vs The Lizard by Jiggah	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:26:03 PM
Mobius vs The Lizard would be an obvious one because of the effects of blood and odd mutations. Similarly, The Lizard vs Hydro because of not only a race to find a cure for the mutations, but the use of sewers would be equally valid for both and Mary Jane would have an actual use. Anyone have a feeling that they are trying to work their way to 6 only to be able to use the Sinister Six in an ad campaign?
id like to say that i really enjoy the love around here lately by Six Demon Bag	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:29:40 PM
i know that sounds corny and all but its good to see we've kept the peace and acted like mature adults. until friday at least. on that note guys, we rock.
Anybody that pays to see S4 on opening night is fucking retarded by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:46:55 PM

Please tell me Kirsten Dunst sings 3 more songs in Spiderman 4 by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:48:04 PM

S-4 = the Sequel to Batman & Robin that never happened by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:49:25 PM
Just picture Clooney and Schumacher sitting around saying.."damn..we really fucked that up..lets try that again"..would you go fucking see it?
Batman and Robin by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:58:45 PM
(see how this goes over) I have decided after years of hating it (which i still do) that Batman & Robin is not actually the worst movie in that it is exactly the vision Joel had and wanted. His vision was horrid, no doubt, but it was "well-made" as far as movies go. (ducking and running for cover) D&D on the other hand was meant to be cool and failed on every level. So at the very least D&D is easily worse. Oh yeah, fuck, I said it! But yes, it is a shitty movie none-the-less. Just not the worst movie ever. Not sure what my point is in even bringing it up. But I'm sure alcohol had a hand.
Spiderman 3 by Toonol	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:16:54 PM
Raimi didn't ruin Venom; the whole character and story came pre-ruined. It's a lame character that was foisted on Raimi. I agree that he ruined the Sandman story, with that ending. Good up until then, though. Most importantly, Spider-man was annoying, also; that's probably the worst part of the 3.
Spider Man 3 - The Mary Jane Story by lockesbrokenleg	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:43:15 PM
With some action scenes.
Clockwork by Continentalop	Jun 4th, 2009 12:01:48 AM
D&D is the worst thing ever. It was hard enough to be a D&D player when you were young, but then people see that and wonder how retarded you must have been to play a game based on that movie.
Joker should come back by Adelai Niska	Jun 4th, 2009 12:18:57 AM
At least they could tease it with a brief scene where a new fresh-from-grad-school female shrink goes to see her patient and introduces herself as Dr. Harleen Quinzel and the patient starts laughing. For some odd reason, I really want to see Bale as MATCHES MALONE (a "character" I don't really care about in comics/cartoons)
Brand New Day by bradyboulanger	Jun 4th, 2009 12:27:20 AM
Rising sun on the new Spider-Man poster... deal with Mephisto?
You dumb by Cujo_Fugate	Jun 4th, 2009 12:31:12 AM
fucks that don't like the Spider-Man movies should blow a dick. I'll admit that 3 wasn't great but it was still entertaining. It seems that you dweebs don't give anything short of the Godfather a chance before you spray your virgin-hate-nerd-juice all over it. And those of you who say that DMTH wasn't good should be decapitated in front of an audience.
My apologies... by bradyboulanger	Jun 4th, 2009 12:59:38 AM
Reading back, I realize someone beat me to the Brand New Day idea a long ass time ago.
Actually Cujo by Nerd Rage	Jun 4th, 2009 01:21:19 AM
anyone who considers the overrated Spider-man movies masterpieces is probably the idiot. Those power ranger soaps are made for 10 year olds. And since your obsessed with blowing dicks and nerd juices maybe you should suck off a nerd and get it out your system.
DreamWorks + Marvel = by HughJass	Jun 4th, 2009 01:41:21 AM
Mediocrity. Can't wait to not watch any of these.
Spidey 4? Could care less. by Brody77	Jun 4th, 2009 02:02:55 AM
Don't get me wrong - Raimi is VERY good - I still believe he must have been fucked over on 3 to make it so bad, but why do a 4 with the same cast when EVERYONE is against it? Get Snaggletooth to fuck - she was ok in 1 but now she's a dog. I also wanna see the lizard - no Electro or any of those tools. Also wish that Marvel were able to get the rights back for all the properties so studios like Sony & Fox couldn't destroy them. PS - Shrek 4? Oh fuck off.
Nerd by Cujo_Fugate	Jun 4th, 2009 02:38:28 AM

Nerd by Cujo_Fugate	Jun 4th, 2009 02:38:32 AM

You Dumb Shit by Cujo_Fugate	Jun 4th, 2009 02:39:02 AM

What do you consider a masterpiece? The Godfather? by Cujo_Fugate	Jun 4th, 2009 02:42:52 AM
anything below that equals "Power Rangers?" You silly fuck.
I'm silly? by Nerd Rage	Jun 4th, 2009 03:22:25 AM
You're the one defending soap opera power ranger movies by Sam Raimi like they're holy scripture. All though I'm not surprised a middle school corn ball like yourself passionately defends that shit.
I can see the Spider-man 4 headline now by css-geek	Jun 4th, 2009 03:36:39 AM
Spider-man cast giant web on New York City. Film in 2011....
Wait! Does that "4" mean there is a fourth film? WOW! by Damien Chowder	Jun 4th, 2009 04:00:10 AM
Regards to Shrek 4 I'm surprised that they didn't incorporate the 4 into "4ever" what with hollycrud being shit and all. Iron Man 2 banner= was done on a Super Ninteno dev kit....
All the Spiderman (1-3) posters looks the same...... by GibsonUSA Returns	Jun 4th, 2009 04:10:21 AM
All I ask is that Spiderman 4's poster look drastically different
I wish Spiderman would fight the Hulk. by Joker Gordon Levitt	Jun 4th, 2009 04:17:39 AM
That would be something to see on film..
He will bring back Venom. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jun 4th, 2009 04:25:35 AM
Just you watch.
Can you save a franchise? by Mr Gorilla	Jun 4th, 2009 05:43:39 AM
I mean, Soderbergh tried to save Ocean's 11 after 12 was so horrible - but 13 was pretty horrible too! I really, really hope that Spider-Man 4 has a cracking script. The choices in 3 were as bad as the choices in 2 were good. Please redeem yourselve, dude?
People who insist that Spidey 3 was good by Mr Gorilla	Jun 4th, 2009 05:51:57 AM
Those people have no discernment. They shouldn't be writing on a site which - I thought? - was meant to be about people who cared enough about films to be able to distinguish between 'good' and 'bad'. Dudes - even Sam Raimi the fucking director admits it was a bad film! Are you such idiot consumers that you will eat ANYTHING the corporate system shoves down your throats - and proclaim it a tasty, nourishing meal???
The problem is not Arad. by ORGANIZED CHAOS	Jun 4th, 2009 05:55:19 AM
I do find it weird that people are blaming Arad for SM3. As someone else already pointed out, do you really think Raimi was forced to insert Venom in there after two successful and critically acclaimed movies? If it's true that the whole story was already fleshed out before Venom and Raimi put him in at the last second to please Arad so it screwed the whole flow, I'm sorry but that says more about Raimi than it does about Arad: Avi just thought he would sell more toys, Raimi was willing to sacrifice his story just to please the producer. And anyway, Venom is not the only thing, or for that matter the worst thing, in SM3. What about never-ending coincidences that move the story along, or all those horrible scenes with MJ, and making Sandman uncle Ben's killer (effectively eliminating the whole point of the Spiderman mythos to add some cheap depth that the character hasn't earned). What about more pointless moralizing speeches from Aunt May, or the fact that "Tubby" Maguire never convinces as Spidey (With that frikkin' double chin hanging out all the time, jeez would it have hurt to cut the donuts a bit?) or that damn butler... Oh don't get me started on the butler. The singing, The dancing, The crying, The soap-opera plot devices, the soap-opera clunky lines, the soap opera acting... I'm sorry if I'm ranting, it just frustrates me to no end that these movies feel like a missed opportunity as many of the problems I enlisted above are present in the first two movies. And despite everything I've already said, I enjoy the movies and will certainly go see the 4th one. To be fair, Raimi has gotten things right, but I REALLY wanted them to start anew: new scriptwriters, new cast, new actors.. This series just feels stale now, and I doubt Raimi's gonna shake his whole "system of working" so to speak, this time. That new poster certainly doesn't show it.
OrganizedChaos...dude thanks for the laugh by southafricanguy	Jun 4th, 2009 06:51:05 AM
"tubby McGuire"...fucking classic dude....
Hmmmmmm.... by Yeti	Jun 4th, 2009 07:04:16 AM
Shrek 4 maybe Oobermind - rental Ironman2 - definately! Spidy4 - not a chance in hell.
I didn’t think SM3 was all that bad. by MorganLeafy	Jun 4th, 2009 07:05:08 AM
However that was because I thought SM2 was the disappointment. All the problems you had with SM3 I had with SM2.
Screw the lizard! Give-a to me MYSTERIO. by fireclown	Jun 4th, 2009 07:12:12 AM
Much better villian. And for Gods sake give me an evil villian and give him a cumuppance. None of this "oh, I'm so sorry, please let me go" nonsense.
sunrise by steelerman	Jun 4th, 2009 08:19:32 AM

sunrise by steelerman	Jun 4th, 2009 08:20:45 AM
could mean a brand new day storyline. if its a sun set, i have no idea. sorry if someone has already mentiond this, i didnt read all the posts
Cuz I know you're all waiting for Royston's opinion . . . by Royston Lodge	Jun 4th, 2009 09:22:34 AM
. . . here's what I think of those posters: 1) Shrek: Boring poster for an unwanted movie. 2) Oobermind: Looks like it could be cool. From the poster, I presume that the "bad guy" is actually the protagonist? Fun basic idea, but the devil's in the details. 3) Iron Man: Looks like something virtually anybody could do using GIMP. When they don't even need Photoshop to get the job done, you know there's a lack of effort involved. 4) Spiderman: At first glance, looks pretty uninspired. Sunrise over Manhattan. Big deal. But then, it dawned on me (no pun intended) that it isn't sunrise. It's sunset. And who comes out after the sun sets? YOU KNOW WHO COMES OUT AFTER THE SUN SETS!!!! Doctor Michael Morbius, that's who!!! If that's actually where they're going with #4, the end of the flick should hint at a Marvel Zombies movie in the future. Can you imagine Sam Raimi doing a Marvel Zombies movie?!?!?! Just thinking about it, I just leaked a little. From every orifice. Even a few orifices (orifii?) that I didn't know I had.
Bill's Balls People!! by WavingFlagsInSpace	Jun 4th, 2009 09:30:02 AM
RIP David Carradine, but if you tie your balls and your neck together you're dicing with death! From the BBC news website: "Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found by a hotel maid sitting in a wardrobe with a rope around his neck and genitals on Thursday morning."
I can imagine a kick-ass teaser for Spidey 4. by Royston Lodge	Jun 4th, 2009 09:34:00 AM
If Doctor Michael Morbius is indeed the villain. Bright day. Shiny happy music. Peter and MJ have just finished a session of awesome Spider-Nookie. Spidey's out swining in the sunshine down the canyons of Manhattan. He stops a burglery. He helps an old lady cross the street. He helps a cat out of a tree. Maybe even a cheesy piece of dialogue where Toby thinks to himself, "maybe things will finally be O-K for your friendly neighbourhood Spiderman." Cut to shot of Manhattan from the air. The music stops. The sun is setting in the distance. The long shadow of night descends on Manhattan. Camera zooms in. Glowing white eyes start popping up in various locations arond the city. Fade to black & big "4" logo. Make it the hardest PG13 that Sam Raimi can come up with, and I think the stillbirth that was #3 can be erased from all out memories. Really, truly I do. I really don't think enough people understand just how cool a character Michael Morbius really is. Plus, if they decide that one quasi-supernatural villain isn't enough, they can always throw in the demon-version of the Hobgoblin and a kick-ass, feral, really scary version of the Lizard. But that would be villain overkill. No, stick with a good Michael Morbius story. Really show the constrast between Spidey and Batman. In other words, Spidey has powers but no actual training. Use the scenario to show that he's really out of his depth stalking a villain who doesn't WANT to be caught (unlike every villain he's faced so far). Really play up the idea that the villain is stalking the population of New York, not Peter Parker's relatives. Show how quickly the city turns on Spidey when he proves incompetent at protecting them from a truly malevolent, primordial force of evil. And don't play J.J. Jameson for laughs. This sort of story line would be perfect for a serious look at Jameson and the power of the media. Man, this is totally the sort of POTENTIAL kick-ass movie that is almost guaranteed to SUCK when it's actually executed. Damn, now I'm bumming myself out.
Now i'm imagining an Evil Dead-style version of . . . by Royston Lodge	Jun 4th, 2009 09:36:49 AM
. . . the Hobgoblin. I just got excited again.
Sunrise or sunset? by Royston Lodge	Jun 4th, 2009 10:07:26 AM
Here's an actual photo of Manhatten at sunset: http://tinyurl.com/ojc8yc Here's an actual photo of Manhattan at sunrise: http://tinyurl.com/omuslf Personally, I say the poster looks more like sunset. Morbius Morbius Morbius!
RIP David Carradine....Goodbye Grasshopper.... by conspiracy	Jun 4th, 2009 10:10:47 AM

And yes..thats how I'm going out... by conspiracy	Jun 4th, 2009 10:13:10 AM
in a Bangkok hotel. Of course I'd hope my death room was full of booze, drugs, and underage hookers...hey if you're gonna go...go out with class I always say.
i'm just joining in the chorus for Morbius by smudgewhat	Jun 4th, 2009 10:19:35 AM
that would be kick ass!
It's obvious from the torn webbing... by Green Arrow	Jun 4th, 2009 10:42:46 AM
That high above NYC, the torn webbing can only be the work of Stilt-Man! Kidding. Really hoping for a kickass Lizard story, but would be happy with Morbious too. Maybe just for kicks, they could start this one out with a 5 minute knock down, drag out fight between Spidey and some second rate villain like the Spot or the Rocket Racer or something. That would satisfy the studio execs urge to stick in more than one villain, let Spidey completely kick ass to start off the flick, and give the fans that little something extra.
After New Moon, werewolves, along with vampires, by Big Jim	Jun 4th, 2009 11:02:19 AM
will also be all the rage. So perhaps we will see Morbius and the Man-Wolf. I like the idea of Kraven having trophies, like the Vulture's suit and the Rhino's head. I suggest he also have The Gibbon stuffed and posed standing in the corner. I'd prefer that Kraven was not hired but is hunting Spider-Man purely for the pleasure of it. Makes him more menacing and relentless.
When Will You Realize by Maxwell Bishop	Jun 4th, 2009 11:16:01 AM
When are you idiots you your stupid talkbacks going to realize you really have zero if no impact on what movies are made or what is in them. The average person does not live their life in a talk back forum or message board. The average person speaks their words with their dollars. So you can piss and moan to each other until the moon turns to cheese it isn't going to make a difference. Spider-Man 4 is coming is because the franchise and merchandising has made Sony and Marvel tons of money. Now get off your fat asses and grab a book and learn something already.
What? Carradine is dead? NOOOOOOOOO! by ecm	Jun 4th, 2009 11:50:39 AM
That's a fucking shame. But, Carradine aside, the only person to play Kingpin in a Spidey movie would be Micheal Clarck Duncan, as he did in Daredevil. I hope Sam Jackson makes a cameo in a Spidey film as Nick Fury. I mean, he signed for 9 Marvel movies as Fury so Spidey is bound to be one of them.
F. Murray Abraham to cameo as Vulture - sorta by finky089	Jun 4th, 2009 12:35:13 PM
I see a scene in a prison where a guard hooks his thumb in the direction of an inmate and says, Yeah, we get some nutters in here. That guy we hauled in after we caught him trying to rob a bank wearing his green pajamas and a pair o' wings. And the camera pans over to the cell and we Close Up on an old man played by F. Murray Abraham stewing very unpleasantly in his cell.
AICNN or AIN'T IT COOL NON-NEWS by Maxwell Bishop	Jun 4th, 2009 12:58:41 PM
On Wednesday, Ain't It Cool News posted this teaser poster for Spider-Man 4 that is on display at the Licensing International Expo in Las Vegas this week. While we no doubt believe that the poster is hanging at the Expo (to not discredit AICN's story), official sources are telling us that this poster was not created by Sony Pictures or Marvel Studios for the fourth film. It is indeed fake and no official artwork has been released yet for the movie. AIN'T IT COOL NON-NEWS What a piece of shit this site is.
Apparently, the SM4 poster is a fake by matthooper8	Jun 4th, 2009 01:00:52 PM
I don't know how accurate the story is, but Superherohype confirms its a fake.
Fake - I sort of figured . . . by A_Clockwork_Irony	Jun 4th, 2009 01:41:27 PM
but it was a fun TB anyway! Fake or not, silly poster with a 4. If it isn't fake, it's lame to have it this early.
four? by Clarence Bodiker	Jun 4th, 2009 01:42:42 PM
That is clearly an inverted h. The rumours are true; the next villain is Hammerhead!
Big Jim by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Jun 4th, 2009 01:49:27 PM
I hope you're right about Werewolves making a comeback...I'd like to see a film version of SW's Blood Wolves, personally.
Maybe Obama will have a cameo by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer	Jun 4th, 2009 02:26:22 PM
lol
Lolz. You do know that Spiderman posters fake right? by Dr. Samuel Loomis	Jun 4th, 2009 02:35:30 PM
People be slippin.
My bad Matthooper8. by Dr. Samuel Loomis	Jun 4th, 2009 02:47:08 PM
Didn't see you claimed this up there. Your props.
How the fuck.. by TedKordLives	Jun 4th, 2009 03:50:57 PM
could the poster be fake? Really, someone made it and snuck it into the expo? No way. Sony caught some backlash over thier utterly uninspired poster and are backpedaling. That's all.
May 2011? Woo! I will go see it in my Hovercar! by pokadoo	Jun 4th, 2009 04:19:49 PM

Naw, Sony said it's not their releasing. by Dr. Samuel Loomis	Jun 4th, 2009 05:32:45 PM
It's a reprint of the teaser poster for number 2. just a little photoshop rip in the web.
Drag Me to Hell should have a sequel/spin-off, showing by Fa_Tass_DinoMolester	Jun 4th, 2009 06:25:53 PM
the further exploits of Rham Jas...perhaps teaming up with the idiot Ash. He does mention "those who practice the dark arts"...that'd be pretty cool, the adventures of a mystic in the seedy, supernatural underbelly of Los Angeles.
Respectfully, Dr.Loomis, I call bullshit. by TedKordLives	Jun 4th, 2009 06:30:11 PM
It's there, on display. People on here have said as much. They've seen it, physically. It's just so boring and insipid that Sony's disowning it. Which, in this Beetle's opinion, is FUCKING AMATEUR.
Respectfully Ted... by Dr. Samuel Loomis	Jun 4th, 2009 07:53:03 PM
I apologize for not having straight facts. And I totally understand why Sony would disown such an abomination, but the one fact I know is Raimi had no consent to this poster, i'm surprised it hasn't been pulled.
I just don't get this though. by Dr. Samuel Loomis	Jun 4th, 2009 08:30:55 PM
http://www.superherohype.com/n ews/spider-mannews.php?id=8394
Who would spend all that time making a fake Spiderman poster? by GibsonUSA Returns	Jun 4th, 2009 09:25:45 PM
Must be a nerd, or something... Or it was something for a school project. I dunno.
Anyone notice that Spidey's web is broken? by Juemad	Jun 4th, 2009 10:56:02 PM
Could that mean something? Hmmm...
Nerd, You Horses Ass by Cujo_Fugate	Jun 5th, 2009 12:04:46 AM
What the fuck is a "power ranger soap opera?" And if you don't like Sam Raimi who do you like? Let me guess? James Cameron? Ridley Scott? Rob Zombie? Also, making reference to the Power Rangers in the same paragraph that you call someone else a "middle school corn ball" is about 500 different levels of hypocrisy. Goodness Nerd, you ARE a funny little monkey. I'll give ya that.

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