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w00t! by sailingmaster	Jun 2nd, 2009 12:50:28 AM
First! Plus this could still be fun to see!
Second by DrMorbius	Jun 2nd, 2009 12:53:52 AM
Damn
Fan of the show, but no way is this happening by Domi'sInnerChild	Jun 2nd, 2009 12:54:53 AM
Seriously, what's the point now?
Yeah, Dollhouse is really a reason for Joss not to make this by darthflagg	Jun 2nd, 2009 12:55:50 AM
I know he wants to try different things, but his refusal to give us any continuation of the Buffyverse outside of comics is one of the reasons we now have the terrifying prospect of a new Buffy movie from the makers of the first Buffy movie they fucked up.
So those Kuzai morons want to make another crap movie? by crankyoldguy	Jun 2nd, 2009 01:11:06 AM

Even with syndication... by dj_bollocks	Jun 2nd, 2009 01:11:09 AM
...too much time has passed... People will just go "What's the deal with the Prime Minister from Little Britain ?" Or some such parlance....
Joss Only Wants to Make Crap Now by Akira Cowabunga	Jun 2nd, 2009 01:33:20 AM
Have you seen Dollhouse or Dr. Evil's Sing Along Blog or whatever it's called? I can't believe this is the same guy who did Firefly and Serenity, Buffy and Angel. So sad.
This rears its head every year or so by Brody77	Jun 2nd, 2009 01:42:02 AM
It breaks my heart, but it'll never happen. Joss has Dollhouse & those assholes are rebooting Buffy so the whole history may as well be flushed down the pan. It really sucks, as I'd love to see Giles full on kicking ass like he did in Series 6 - also it could open the door for cameos from other cast memebers....
He's willing to milk a success for whatever he can by V'Shael	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:00:48 AM
but I don't think Joss will oblige. Still, it was a Buffy related wish, so naturally it NEEDED to be on the main page with a talkback.
Get JJ to flush the history down the toilet by V'Shael	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:22:08 AM
He can spin off the Buffy reboot movie into an alternate timeline, guest starring Head as an aged Ripper. Apparently, people fucking love ideas like this. No idea why though.
Akira Cowabunga by ranma627	Jun 2nd, 2009 04:01:52 AM
Ra on Dollhouse (I have yet to see it) but Dr. Horrible's Sing-A-Long Blog was genius. It was a comedic musical that had good music and was funny. So where did that go wrong? Neil Patrick Harris and Nathan Fillon were the shit in it. Fucking love the soundtrack for it.
rag not ra by ranma627	Jun 2nd, 2009 04:02:08 AM

Open Letter To Mutant Enemy Productions: Put-Up, Or Shut-Up!!! by Media Messiah	Jun 2nd, 2009 04:40:00 AM
I love Joss and gang, but I am tired of being led around by my nose by you guys, only to get my hopes dashed with press releases and interview statements that have no integrity. First, "Goners", then this, or was it, the other way around? The Spike TV movies, the Willow TV movies, and the Buffy Animated series? Enough!!! Either you guys at Mutant Enemy, and distinguished colleagues, are going to honor your collective words, and promises, and bring these projects into being, or, and I say this respectfully, shut-up about them, already!
Open Letter to ... by V'Shael	Jun 2nd, 2009 05:45:17 AM
No one from Mutant Enemy is going to read this talkback and give a shit about open letters to them.
Anthony Head's Daughter by TinSpider	Jun 2nd, 2009 06:47:39 AM
Is fucking gorgeous. Just thought I'd mention it.
Buffy Animated wasnt a tease like the rest. by Bouncy X	Jun 2nd, 2009 06:53:53 AM
they went as far as creating a mini promo episode. so it was done and ready, its just that nobody wanted to produce it or pick it up or whatever. but the rest yeah, we constantly hear stories about them "coming maybe" so its time to let it go or truly pursue it.
Anthony Head's Daughter by V'Shael	Jun 2nd, 2009 07:05:09 AM
He has more than one, doesn't he? Daisy and Emily. I think Emily Head looks a bit like Michelle Ryan (of the new bionic woman).
Too late by banville	Jun 2nd, 2009 07:46:40 AM
God this would have been exciting in 2001, but now...no.
Give me Head! by Engelhast	Jun 2nd, 2009 07:56:14 AM
Sure maybe too much time has passed but if they did go forward with this I and most everyone here would pop a nut wating to see it. Keeping fingers crossed.
I think Head should return making coffee commercials by mjgtexas	Jun 2nd, 2009 07:56:47 AM
Nothing like reconnecting with your loyal nineties housewives base.
Give it up already. by Cotton McKnight	Jun 2nd, 2009 08:12:53 AM
Give it up already. Do you see me crying about Supernatural finishing up next year? Nope. The story ends with that and that's that. There is nothing wrong with leaving something alone and cherishing it for a lifetime.
is this really news? by oisin5199	Jun 2nd, 2009 08:29:23 AM
We've always known Tony Head wanted to do the Ripper movie. Joss says he wants to do it, too - but timing and budget and all, blah blah blah. Maybe Dollhouse's second season will embolden him to try this. but gods, I can't believe this is the first mention on this site of the awful travesty that is this STUPID cash grab, I mean 'Buffy reboot.' The Buffy movie was the only thing these Kuzui(?) people have ever done - they see the Twilight numbers, and think they can make a buck, thumbing its nose at the legions of fans and basically saying 'you have beloved characters and a beloved creator? Fuck you, we're making our own just to line our wallets.' Well, fuck you, Kuzuis. I hope your production is cursed and never gets off the ground. Bastards. Oh, and check this out: http://hijink sensue.com/2009/05/29/ rebuffed/
Joss Whedon may only do crap now but by Darkartist	Jun 2nd, 2009 08:31:55 AM
Angel still remains the coolest show ever made. We have yet to see a paranormal show that matches the pathos, creativity, and sheer badassness of the vampire(s) with a soul.
Oisin, this isn't the first time by V'Shael	Jun 2nd, 2009 08:35:19 AM
the new Buffy movie has been mentioned. http://www.aintitcool.com/node /41180 Harry had a story about it on the 25th May, for example.
I'd rather see Tony Head return as Mr. Finch on DOCTOR WHO by SpyGuy	Jun 2nd, 2009 08:57:10 AM
It was a lot of fun seeing him chew the scenery as a bad guy in the episode "School Reunion" and considering he also has done DOCTOR WHO audio adventures for Big Finish Productions, he apparently enjoys the concept quite a bit. Whedon's loss can be WHO's gain...again.
Who by Himbo	Jun 2nd, 2009 09:16:31 AM
Speaking of Doc Who, No mention here of Matt Smiths new companion: the hot young redhead. And of Michelle Ryan, she was drop dead gorgeous in the DW 'Planet of the Dead' special at Easter. Really too bad she won't be a regular.
HIMBO by Darkartist	Jun 2nd, 2009 09:23:52 AM
Amen, brother. Michelle Ryan is so beautiful she looks alien. She oozes sexuality and class, which is a rare asset in this day and age. She also looked pretty good in Jekyll.
Himbo: Not to mention the first-run jump to BBC America by SpyGuy	Jun 2nd, 2009 09:31:10 AM
Karen Gillan announced as the new companion for 2010, the 2009 DOCTOR WHO specials airing first on BBC America instead of "Siffy," the new TORCHWOOD: CHILDREN OF EARTH trailer...You would think at least one of these items would get a talkback.
repo the genetic opera by palewook	Jun 2nd, 2009 09:41:11 AM
if you are a head fan, check it out. its a gothic rocky horror. kinda cool if you are in the mood for it.
New Companion was in Who already by V'Shael	Jun 2nd, 2009 09:42:46 AM
In the excellent Pompei episode, she played the Soothsayer (under all that makeup) http://tinyurl.com/knf8aw
And so do I, but so what. by johnnyangel	Jun 2nd, 2009 10:40:45 AM
Not going to happen. He's too old to play Ripper now, anyway.
I love to see Faith the Series, by johnnyangel	Jun 2nd, 2009 10:41:29 AM
but that's not happening either.
And without Whedon, this would be shite anyway by johnnyangel	Jun 2nd, 2009 10:42:49 AM
to quote our Brit friends.
And while we're talking about things we'd like by johnnyangel	Jun 2nd, 2009 10:45:31 AM
I'd like Summer Glau to terminate my current bout with celibacy, but that's not happening either.
Don't understand the Summer Glau appeal by Darkartist	Jun 2nd, 2009 11:12:24 AM
She looks like a Precious Moments figurine. She's all forehead and eyeballs. For the life of me I don't get what you geeks see in that Strawberry Shortcake clone. She's heinous.
For all you guys that think Summer Glau is hot by Darkartist	Jun 2nd, 2009 11:19:29 AM
You must get a fat woody at the thought of Olive Oyl in a string bikini. Or Lily Tomlin in a hot tub from Moment To Moment. Eww. I grossed myself out with that one.
yeah, oisin by buffywrestling	Jun 2nd, 2009 12:22:09 PM
Kinda surprised I didn't see ya on that Buffy TB. We might have to review your membership :P
MP: "YES WE BLOODY WELL ARE!!" by buffywrestling	Jun 2nd, 2009 12:24:21 PM
I think that was the only time Giles raised his voice on the series..
oh crap! How'd I miss that? by oisin5199	Jun 2nd, 2009 02:10:18 PM
I think I may have been out of town at the time, and wasn't checking the board. Sorry to have deprived all of you of my...um...wisdom! Buffy scholars rock!
Give us Liberty of Give Us Head. by cookylamoo	Jun 2nd, 2009 02:43:28 PM

Darkartist by ToughGuyRizzo	Jun 2nd, 2009 02:58:38 PM
So....Dr. Horrible was crap? Dollhouse may not be great, but hey, Joss gotta eat.
buffywrestling by oisin5199	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:04:07 PM
Giles also raised his voice when he sang!! And contrary to popular belief (here, anyway), Dollhouse IS great. Those last 3 episodes were some of the best genre tv I've seen outside of Lost and BSG since, well, Firefly! Can't wait for season 2!
blowing smoke by Darksider	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:05:53 PM
Whedon and co. working are always a good thing, but it just keeps sounding like people trying to cook up business for themselves and not doing much at all. Pretty much like Kevin Smith.
Nah, Kevin Smith is doing stuff. by V'Shael	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:21:01 PM
He almost single handedly ruined Seth Rogan's career, no mean feat. His weekly podcast is pretty funny too. For a guy who weighs over 300lbs (we're talking Homer in a Moo-moo here) and who's gonna be dead in 10 years, he's doing well enough.
Ok, Ok by ToughGuyRizzo	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:35:27 PM
I love Joss, I wasnt able to see all of Dollhouse due to recording 3 shows on Friday nights. But I'll give it a run this week since I'm home sick.
Giles' voice by ToughGuyRizzo	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:42:42 PM
Strange, it's not like anything we've faced before, yet, it seems familiar somehow.....Of course...the spell we cast with Buffy, must have unleashed some primal evil, that's come back-seeking-im not sure what....anyway... I'VE GOT TO WARN BUFFY! THERE'S ANY CHANCE SHE MIGHT BE NEXT. (raising voice) And dont bleed on no couch. He just had it steem-cleaned. POOM! (LOST STYLE)
I've never seen Dr. Horrible, Toughguyrizzo by Darkartist	Jun 2nd, 2009 03:50:58 PM
That's the point I was trying to make by saying Joss only makes shit now. I've seen clips for DR HORRIBLE and DOLLHOUSE and nothing about either interested me in the slightest. NOTHING! And I was a Mutant Enemy fan in high school. I'm not looking to just spit venom on the guy. Joss Whedon, no matter how much garbage he dumps on a network, is aces in my book. He has thoroughly entertained me for over ten years between Angel, Buffy & Firefly. But come on, Dollhouse is shit. Dushku is pretty to look at but she's no Jenna Jameson. The moment she opens her mouth I want to yawn. Building an entire show around her was a grave mistake. It's like no one at FOX remembered the Emmy-award winning, Tru Calling. I'd rather see Zack Galifinakis dress in drag every week than her or that sci-fi abortion. Sorry!
On enunciation, on empty promises, on quality by KanekoFan	Jun 2nd, 2009 04:20:39 PM
(a.) People have trouble understanding Giles and find him quiet and mumbly? I had no idea. (b.) During those years when all Joss Whedon could stir up was a gig writing for X-Men, I'm pretty sure he would have leapt at any of the promised-but-unrealized Buffy-verse follow-ups if someone had been willing to put up the money. Mutant Enemy is a production company, and they need somebody who's willing to distribute and finance, remember. (c.) I thought Dollhouse got better in 3-episode chunks. The first three were passable, but had little-to-no re-watch value. 4-6 were pretty good, but still nothing great. 7-9 were great, as the show really hit its stride. 10-12 were on a level that I shall choose to call "Whedenic."
so clips? Really? by oisin5199	Jun 2nd, 2009 06:18:59 PM
Joss does shit now? And you know this from clips? Prejudge much? Dr. Horrible, while somewhat silly on the surface, still managed to be a more insightful look into a supervillain than most of the superhero films in the last few years. For anyone who hasn't seen it, watch it until the end. The status is not quo! And if your idea of quality performance is Jenna Jameson, then I can guarantee your not Whedon's target audience.
shouldve revived ripper and put him in awful season7. by alice 13	Jun 2nd, 2009 07:11:43 PM
i mean wtf. season 7 was so woefully bad anything wouldve helped.
Just let the Buffyverse DIE with a shred of DIGNITY! by Tall_Boy66	Jun 2nd, 2009 07:47:47 PM
Just one, stop humping the corpse.
Always liked Giles the most in Buffy by greyspecter	Jun 2nd, 2009 08:10:27 PM
Like what Wesley turned into on Angel, a brilliant badass. Plus, I cringed at the same things he did.
The episode in which by Mr Lucas	Jun 2nd, 2009 08:36:18 PM
Giles turned into a demon was the shiznit or the bomb (or whatever the kids say these days). Always fun to spot Tony in "More Bad News" as a sound engineer. Good times...good times.
Dr. Horrible Darkartist by ToughGuyRizzo	Jun 2nd, 2009 09:21:12 PM
Watch it. It has more of a Joss feel than Dollhouse. It's very well written and has the perfect Joss finish.
BTW by ToughGuyRizzo	Jun 2nd, 2009 09:24:41 PM
Giles is also my fav character, with Spike 2nd. Band Candy was probably my fav Giles ep
Lonegunmen/Ripper crossover by jonsnow	Jun 2nd, 2009 10:26:21 PM
Why not combine the tv show the Lonegunmen with the Buffyverse. Giles could mumble like Fox mumbler and his FBI/slayer female sidekick could be Michelle Ryan with died red hair of course.
Time to move on by ulcer	Jun 2nd, 2009 11:49:06 PM
Buffy, and especially angel were great. That was many years ago, time to move on. And let's all not forget that the final two seasons of Buffer were pretty painful; the character were unsympathetic and the show jumped the shark a few times. And no single hour of television has ever been over-hyped more than the singing episode. Then again it was on UPN, practically no one saw it, so who's there to contradict the fans. The question will be, what kind of show do people today want to see, not how can we make a show for people in their late 20s and 30s who were buffy fans 10 years ago. In fact, do younger people watch TV anymore?
Joe Ahearne by Genre_Boy	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:35:10 AM
If either Joss or the BBC are looking for a show-runner, Joe Ahearne would be the go-to guy -- he's written and directed 3 short genre series ('Ultraviolet'(1998),'Strange' (2002),'Apparitions'(2008)) and done several episodes of the new Doctor Who. If Head or Whedon can pitch it, Ahearne could write and direct it. It's been years in the coming
Get back on your nescafe adverts ! by kingoflight	Jun 3rd, 2009 08:03:52 AM
:D
In development for too long. by Smashing	Jun 3rd, 2009 09:56:30 AM
If they had a story to tell I'm sure they would have, there simply isn't one, who cares about young Giles? also expecting the BBC to produce anything without at least 25 years worth of meetings, discussion and round table discussions first is naive.
I was being sarcastic about Jenna Jameson, Oisin5199 by Darkartist	Jun 3rd, 2009 10:38:23 AM
The implication was that Dushku is no better actor than a pornstar, Dr. Hawking. And the purpose of any clip is to build interest. If a clip can't manage to do that, I don't bother. Life is short enough without wasting time on shit.
Dead Horse. by Nix_Cadavre	Jun 3rd, 2009 12:36:30 PM
Beat it.
I really like Dollhouse but by Brannagins Law	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:37:01 PM
it lacks warmth. It's missing the camaraderie of the Buffy cast and that small town familiarity that's so inviting. A revisit in any form would be wonderful. Dollhouse is probably a dream show from a writer standpoint, but as good as the episodes have been, it feels cold and shallow compared to Buffy.
5 years... by StatelyWayneManor	Jun 3rd, 2009 01:37:08 PM
...is a long time to go without a steady paycheck. C'mon, Joss... hook him up on Dollhouse or something!
No shit, darkartist by oisin5199	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:11:40 PM
My point is that any comparison of a television actress to a pornstar is a pretty clear indication that you're not Whedon's target audience (ie. that you're probably a sexist douchebag, but I could be wrong). And clips may or may not grab your interest, but that's not what you said. You said, Joss is making 'shit' now, based on a pretty cursory glance at clips. My point is that you're making a pretty sweeping statement based on the flimsiest of evidence. Didn't think I had to explain that, 'Dr. Hawking.'
ain't it wishful thinking news. by Yeti	Jun 3rd, 2009 03:56:14 PM
blah.
Of course Dollhouse lacks warmth by KanekoFan	Jun 3rd, 2009 04:12:59 PM
Dollhouse is about a kind of contemporary corporate dystopia. Being cold, unfamiliar, and uninviting is fundamental to its narrative and themes.
dollhouse by SQUIDDLY	Jun 3rd, 2009 05:46:07 PM
got to agree with darkartist on dollhouse watched 4 episodes and bored. I cant believe that this is the same guy that brought us the uberness that is firefly, this feels like it was written by him before he made buffy(probably would have got away with it back then).
You ARE wrong, Oisin5199 by Darkartist	Jun 3rd, 2009 11:21:30 PM
You mean to tell me you have to be sexist pig to recognize that Dushku can't act any better than a video whore? People who have gone their entire lives without watching porn own a television and unless they only keep it on Trinity Broadcast Network they will figure out that the acting in porno is so hilariously horrible that it's lampooned in sitcoms and sketch comedy shows. I get the point you're trying to make, although your rampant ignorance has made it difficult. Who the hell made you an authority on Marketing, anyway? You work on a ratings board or something? Somehow I doubt it. You don't know any more than everyone else talking back so shut up.
Can I mediate? by buffywrestling	Jun 4th, 2009 08:26:16 PM
The issue is being clouded by whores! (They always do that). The real arguement between you two is that the series was judged on a couple of clips of the show, instead of watching the entire run of the show. And ,oisisn, it's a valid cop. If DarkA saw a bit and didn't dig it, that's fine. Your point that if he watch more he might like it better is also viable but if he is not interested to begin with, it's futile because there is no reason in his mind to re-visit something he has no interest in. You can't even say that he would probably like it if he saw more of it, because you can't speculate on other people's taste like that. Eliza's acting was never my top concern. They showcased her in the first few eps, yes - it's her production deal after all - but I never believed that Dollhouse would become the "Eliza Show". Why? Because Stephen King once said, "It is the tale; not he who tells it." And I love that. Because it's true. At the beginning of D'House - at least critically - it was all Eliza. It was her show, her deal. When she got Joss on board, the focus shifted to him because he's back on TV after so long. But the mission statement inside FOX did not change. This was still Eliza's show. They put the money on HER - they gave HER the deal. But when she got Joss to sign on...it shifted to him. Which I think is one of the reasons why the first episodes were so murky. Joss was trying to do the job that FOX gave him - Sell Eliza. But he was also trying to find a mythology that could incorperate an emsemble, almost behind the execs backs. He had to do it slowly and quietly, then all of a sudden - Hey, the eps are getting better and we finding out more about Adelle, Victor, Sierra, Topher and what do you know, the first season ends not as a straight Eliza showcase but an real ensemble that might be worth watching. If you can get FOX execs turned around from there own goddamn mission statement and get a second season with those type of ratings, you must be doing someting right
PS: by buffywrestling	Jun 4th, 2009 08:33:55 PM
Dr. Horrible is great. First time I watched it, I fell in love with NPH. Second time, Felica. Third. Nathan Fillion. "I have the deltoids of compassion, the abs of being kind; it's not enough to bash in heads, you have to bash in minds! Everybody!"
PHD in NPH by ToughGuyRizzo	Jun 4th, 2009 11:43:24 PM
Yes sir Buffwrestling. I had a professional Dr. Horrible costume made. Wearing it at comic con, with my 2 dr who suits. Annnnnd Shaun of the Dead. I got pics if you wanna see on FB
Dude, you were not Shaun of the Dead by buffywrestling	Jun 5th, 2009 03:48:44 AM
Because I was Shaun of the Dead!! Contact me at myspace or twitter "buffywrestling" and I'll show you my Shaun costume :) "You've got red on you."
Well put, Buffywrestling by Darkartist	Jun 5th, 2009 08:53:04 AM
You've made such a good argument for the show that I may give it another shot. I thought it started off as a Whedon project. Didn't know it was Eliza's thing.
Didn't Head say wanted to do this in 90s? by SisterSpooky	Jun 5th, 2009 06:48:23 PM
When Buffy was going strong, I'd thought I heard he wanted to do it? But it's been far too long now. I was interested back then, but now a lot of things has changed.

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