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Televisionary Uses ‘Ridiculous’ & ‘Insipid’ To Describe Midseason HAPPY TOWN, ABC’s Latest Attempt To Clone TWIN PEAKS!!

Twin Peaks? by DennisMM	May 22nd, 2009 04:31:45 PM
Won't happen.
Do you know how tempting it was by DennisMM	May 22nd, 2009 04:32:36 PM
not to type, "first"? Thank heaven I'm a strong man, of good moral character.
GRRR! EDIT! GIVE ME EDIT! by DennisMM	May 22nd, 2009 04:34:46 PM
TO type "first," not "NOT to type first." I'm getting back to work and hoping I'll forget this error.
a twin peaks revival would be... by nalapou	May 22nd, 2009 04:39:30 PM
amazing
Cartoon-ish by bernard	May 22nd, 2009 04:42:04 PM
The word cartoon is becoming a derogatory term, and frankly it makes me angry. In many reviews, when television or movies are bad, the go-to sentence seems to be "it was too cartoonish...or too cartoony." "Campy" has been replaced wtih "Cartoony". And not only that, but people call these cgi animated crapfests that plague big screens all year "cartoons". The word cartoon is in danger of becoming the word SHIT! When I think of cartoons. I think of Jonny Quest...or Popeye or Ren and Stimpy or Dumbo or Akira. Those are CARTOONS. And they are all badass. I just wish people would stop using the word cartoon as a negative way of describing things they don't like. REAL cartoons are great! Ask Gilliam...or Steadman...or Bruce Timm!
Re: Chet Desmond by BillEmic	May 22nd, 2009 04:52:43 PM
I thought Chet Desmond disappeared into thin air at the Deer Meadows trailer park when he reached down to pick up that ring? So technically he's M.I.A. I liked Chris Isaak in that role (jealous of that hair!), though, and would like to know just where Chet has been...
Dude, LIFE ON MARS wasn't supershitty. by Jardinier	May 22nd, 2009 04:57:06 PM
It wasn't as good as the original, but it was pretty to look at, decently acted, and much improved once the producers decided not to remake the UK version 1:1.
Chet Desmond by Hercules	May 22nd, 2009 04:57:47 PM
It doesn't have to be Chet, but how about if we learn Chet reappeared in Chile a year later with no memory of his lost time or how he got there?
I also wish for things that won't happen... by The Dum Guy	May 22nd, 2009 04:58:24 PM
Like the gift of flight. I only wish that Lynch would go back to Twin Peaks.
ABC's Life on Mars by Hercules	May 22nd, 2009 05:00:26 PM
was fucking unwatchable. Which is why everybody stopped watching it.
If you stopped watching it, you really can't by Jardinier	May 22nd, 2009 05:01:40 PM

... by Jardinier	May 22nd, 2009 05:03:22 PM
comment on whether it improved or not, I was about to say. Which it did, in my opinion; it became watchable, much like other shows that are now rather inexplicably much-loved on this talkback, like JOURNEYMAN: another series that took a while to find its footing (even if JOURNEYMAN started on a higher level of quality to begin with).
Herc, I will tell you three things. by The Bicycle Sharer	May 22nd, 2009 05:08:41 PM
If I tell them to you and they come true, then will you believe me? The first thing I will tell you is there is no way in hell that any network has the brains or balls to bring back one of the greatest shows ever. The second thing is the networks are run by ridiculously cowardly, untalented, unintelligent slimeballs. The third thing is without chemicals they go to rehab. Twin Peaks, one of the best shows of all muthafuckin' time! Network television executives, addle-brained disciples of Bob!
Oh and "ridiculous" and by The Bicycle Sharer	May 22nd, 2009 05:09:31 PM

"insipid"... by The Bicycle Sharer	May 22nd, 2009 05:11:11 PM
Could just as easily be applied to ever cock-smoking, coke-snorting tool working as executives in tv today. Cases in point: Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Life, Reaper, and Journeyman.
I like Herc's idea better than what ABC is doing by NeoMyers	May 22nd, 2009 05:11:15 PM
I, literally, dream about new Twin Peaks. Get it going now and pair it with Lost's last season.
NeoMyers by The Bicycle Sharer	May 22nd, 2009 05:13:43 PM
What a great idea! Which is why, of course, it'll never happen. I'll see you in the trees, my friend, with a cup of good, hot black coffee and my green butt skunk lure.
A Twin Peaks series would be a dream come true. by rbatty024	May 22nd, 2009 05:16:17 PM
Even a miniseries would be great. There is a built in audience and Lost has shown there are plenty of people looking for a complex television show.
the twin peaks return is fucking awesome by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 05:19:16 PM
but without frost and lynch, no fuckin way
love the twin peaks fantasy by mithrandir16	May 22nd, 2009 05:19:45 PM
i just loaned my sister the box set of both seasons. people are still discovering the awesomeness of TP almost 20 years later.
i mean your twin peaks idea herc by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 05:19:51 PM

True enough... by NeoMyers	May 22nd, 2009 05:21:12 PM
I bought the gold box Twin Peaks set and have only watched it through once because I keep thinking about how it isn't finished. I have said before that I think Twin Peaks as a miniseries on HBO would be absolutely incredible. David Lynch could just open our brains up and pour his pure insanity in. All of which unedited... Audrey STILL looks hot.
Well, not so much Frost by ROBRAM89	May 22nd, 2009 05:22:38 PM
...but I wouldn't want to see it without Lynch. And he's so not doing it. His daughter, on the other hand...
ABC... by The Fear	May 22nd, 2009 05:22:57 PM
The network that canceled Twin Peaks is what they should have said.
Also true by ROBRAM89	May 22nd, 2009 05:25:14 PM
Evoking a show you canceled is the height of douchebaggery.
I'll watch any shows about towns with dark secrets by Raymar	May 22nd, 2009 05:25:25 PM
I even liked "Push,Nevada"
Holy fucking shit that is awful by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 05:26:09 PM
Did you see that trailer and read that review? This show wants to rip off twin peaks so bad its like McG hanging out at San Diego comic con claiming all those years he was directing smash mouth videos he was really assembling resin kits of powerloaders.
Raymar I know just the show for you by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 05:27:05 PM
its called Scooby Doo
Where are recent photos of Sherilyn Fenn? by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 05:27:56 PM
Dear yaweh that issue of Playboy with her was my most prized possession aged 12.
Does anyone remember that movie where Sherilyn humps a beastman by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 05:28:47 PM
It was so infuriating, beautiful naked Sherilyn Fenn, but you'd have to see her dry humping Chewbacca. Come to think of it, like almost all porn.
Madchen Amick > Sherilyn by ROBRAM89	May 22nd, 2009 05:31:17 PM
Hell, she's practically aging in reverse. She looked younger a few years ago than she did in TP.
Keep in mind by Mooly	May 22nd, 2009 05:35:48 PM
While Peaks is much loved now, you have to remember that due to studio interference (which still happens every day), the show sucked for more than half of its very short run. It is way too easy to now look at the legend of the show and confuse it for the tragic reality. I question if bringing back Peaks would really make that much difference since studios still think they know better than the actual people creating the show. And am I the only person who liked the US Life on Mars. It was FAR from the original version, but it was interesting and decent I thought. I was entertained by it, anyway. Only problem was they had a sci-fi show that they tried to make like a Cop procedural. The original was set in a police station, but still had that sci-fi feel to it.
Original Twin Peaks Season 3 plans by reflecto	May 22nd, 2009 05:35:52 PM
They were going to leap ten years into the future, with Cooper having become the local pharmacist. Annie Blackburn's message to Laura in FIRE WALK WITH ME ("the good Dale is in the Lodge") would've given them the clue to saving him from his fate in the finale. Meanwhile, Truman would've quit the force and become a recluse, while Sheryl Lee was going to play a redhead who, once again, was murdered, and Joan Chen was to have returned as Josie's twin sister "Judy," connected to the Black Lodge and mentioned by David Bowie's character in FWWM.
I watched Twin Peaks during its original run by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 05:38:12 PM
and season two was abominable, all the atmosphere and mystery was replaced with stock exterior shots, its quirkiness had gone up its own ass. Except for the finale, of course. But still Mooly, Life on Mars sucked fucking balls.
Twin Peaks was the closest thing I had to porn by estacado1	May 22nd, 2009 05:45:32 PM
I was too young to understand what the heck was going but all the hot chicks doing nasty things was closest thing to porn back then.
I liked TP all the way through by ROBRAM89	May 22nd, 2009 05:46:39 PM
It had a few really, really bad parts (the cheerleader tryouts and that bizarre fashion show bullshit), but the rest of it was always at least decent and the main story arc got really damn good toward the end. Fire Walk With Me was probably the high point of the show.
Twin Peaks by MapMan	May 22nd, 2009 05:49:41 PM
As I recall Twin Peaks was sort of a flash in the pan show and people grew tired of it. They finally had to quit stalling and reveal who killed Laura Palmer. After that, why was Cooper still there? So they they came up with the idea of Windom Earl. By the end I think it was canceled due to poor ratings as most of the audience had left. I stuck with it till the end and enjoyed it. I think it was just a little too weird to build anything more than a small hardcore cult following. I also liked TP - FWWM. I'd love it if Lynch did another movie or mini series. It would be a hard sell though...
Oh, and Twin Peaks never sucked by reflecto	May 22nd, 2009 05:51:33 PM
Its worst episodes are still more brilliant and full of crazy ideas than anything on TV today. It shits on mass-media easily-digestible pablum imitators like "Lost" from a great height.
the thing with the squirrel by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 06:02:34 PM
was when i realized that david lynch was busy making movies and that these other people directing each episode weren't as good as he was. though how fucking insane am I - I rememeber a few good episdodes were directed by the guy who directed River's Edge, that movie with Crispin Glover, and didn't even Dianne Wiest or someone direct an episode or two?
I guess I'm the only person who saw Sherilyn hump the beastman by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 06:03:10 PM
such tragic, tragic... shit, i even saw Boxing Helena in theaters.
Life on Mars by Donkey_Lasher	May 22nd, 2009 06:09:33 PM
As a Brit, I fucking loved that series. Ashes to Ashes does seem like a period copy of that, but I don't buy that the ending will be as awesome as the actors say. I think they are milking that cow since Simm left. I'm interested to know how the US version fared though..did it have cultural references that hit home to some of the viewers that lived through those times? Did it really suck?
Diane Keaton, not Weist by Zath_ras	May 22nd, 2009 06:13:37 PM
Just watched the set last year and it did really start limping to a finish. You could feel the life going out of it.
For once, I am in total agreement by StarWarsRedux	May 22nd, 2009 06:24:23 PM
Can Twin Peaks really survive a full-on new series? Probably not. But I bet that Lynch & Co could probably wrangle enough people together to do a decent wrap-up miniseries. It'd even be in keeping with the story of the show. "I'll see you again in 25 years. Meanwhile..."
Twin Peaks was a great mini-series turned into a terrible series by Flim Springfield	May 22nd, 2009 06:31:07 PM

I WOULD WATCH THAT TWIN PEAKS PITCH by Margot_Tenenbaum	May 22nd, 2009 06:35:45 PM
Listen up ABC and whomever.
Damn fine coffee.... by Banditmania	May 22nd, 2009 06:50:19 PM
and hot!!
I'm in for that too by johnnylawless2	May 22nd, 2009 07:14:11 PM
It is twenty five years later, and that gum we like is back in style. God, that would be sweet. Maclachlan, Isaak, Sutherland, Lynch and Ferrer. Imagine the DVD cover of them all standing there, Christ....
All started with FWWM by johnnylawless2	May 22nd, 2009 07:20:35 PM
which I caught late night when I was about thirteen. Weird place to jump into the Peaks universe but I was hooked, and it terrified me. Still one of the most horrific films i've ever seen, and I love it. I spent ages looking for the show, I spent over £150 getting the tapes shipped over from Canada in the mid 90s, they were legit but my god the quality was poor. Second half of the show dipped pretty badly but there was a load of potential there, esp with the Major Briggs/Signals from space storylines. I may be biased, but the show would work perfectly if it were picked up (not that it would ever happen), it just feels right. Cooper stumbling out of Glastonbury Grove...
Yeah, Twin Peaks season 2 was dross by BillEmic	May 22nd, 2009 07:40:46 PM
I got the Gold Box for Christmas of '07, and watched it rather rapidly but had a hell of a time getting through Season 2. In Season 2, the show more or less BECAME the kind of soap opera that it had been subverting in season 1 (remember Invitation to Love on all the TV sets?). The show really lost its way and I honestly can't blame ABC for canning the show. David Lynch was off filming Wild at Heart and what have you, while the rest of the cast and crew were fumbling in the dark with where to take the show. Season 2 had some of the most asinine plots - Sherilyn Fenn hooking up with Billy Zane, Sherilyn's dad suddenly having an epiphany and becoming a stand-up guy, Windom Earl, James shacking up with that psycho Cougar and her brother, etc. It was just lame, hair-brained stuff that totally took away from the mystery and intrigue of the first season. I will admit, Lynch knocked it out of the park with the season finale and Fire Walk With me is a brilliantly perverse and startling film. But Twin Peaks is best left preserved as an iconic part of the early 90's, IMO.
If you think they f'd up this, Ausiello says Melrose Place 2.0 by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 07:51:14 PM
is made of a huge-ass spoiler about Sydney. That makes it look itself like warmed over Twin Peaks.
BillEmic by ThusSpakeSpymunk	May 22nd, 2009 08:05:16 PM
What happened with Season 2 was ... the writer's strike. The whole core group left the show - wouldn't write - and did not disclose ANYTHING of the plot threads. I think I figured out TWIN PEAKS - if you're curious, email me at spymunk@gmail.com. They had no choie with Season 2 but to spin their wheels waiting for the strike to resolve, which is why right when it does resolve shortly afterward you START to get the mystical elements back into the show - right the last couple of episodes and the Series Finale (sniff).
It was Meridian (humping Beastman) by Domi'sInnerChild	May 22nd, 2009 08:44:12 PM
Full Moon classic. Also had B-Movie Underrated Superstar Charlie Spradling as the girlfriend who humped everything else in the castle.
35 minutes until this becomes the Party Down talkback.... by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 08:58:04 PM
This is one of the 5 best comedies on TV right now.
You got my attention, Herc. by gotilk	May 22nd, 2009 08:59:17 PM
Sounds like a dream series. Make it so!
PennsyDeux by wyvern	May 22nd, 2009 09:15:11 PM
Tonights is tied at the moment with the J.K. Smimmons one as my fav.Nice cliffhanger to with your girl Kristen.Trying not to spoil anything but great episode.
Simmons ...damnt by wyvern	May 22nd, 2009 09:15:57 PM

Some misinformation leaking into talkback ... by Hercules	May 22nd, 2009 09:26:19 PM
Have a gander, if you will, at my 2007 review of the Twin Peaks complete-series set, which discusses the history of the show at length. tinyurl.com/pw32fb
Thanks Herc by drturing	May 22nd, 2009 09:35:33 PM
went and read that old writeup on the gold box and I guess I'm actually going to have to buy it now. no point in waiting for a bluray anyway.
If ABC showed reruns of Twin Peaks... by SenatorJeffersonSmith	May 22nd, 2009 09:36:50 PM
I would watch it 500% more than I do now.
NapPark Makes a good point though. by gotilk	May 22nd, 2009 09:41:27 PM
The radio was littered with that singer songwriter stuff. But the glam and stuff? Only regionally. And it varied so much regionally. I moved around a lot when I was very young and listened to radio everywhere I went. Oregon had the best radio. Nothing beats the album rock radio of the 70s. Barely awake DJs in the middle of the night, either stoned or faking it really well, playing entire sides of albums. Nothing like it since, probably will never again be anything like it. College radio achieves the free-form spirit sometimes, but the tastes are all over the place. No that it's a bad thing, it's just a different thing. I watched radio die over the years as it was taken over by coke-and-crapmusic peddling payola machines in suits and corporations buying out most of the popular spectrum in shifty and sometimes flat-out illegal ways. Now it's all a mess. Try to get a low power FM license nowdays. It's easier to make your first million. Then you'll need that first million to pay off all the right people. Unless you're a church. I think both Life on Mars series captured the essence of the era's music better than most shows.
Man, Kristen's flying outta the gate here.... by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 09:47:06 PM

Go back to the toilets, toilet boy! by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 09:49:05 PM
LMAO.
Well. Fucking. Done. Party. Down. by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 09:58:38 PM
Well fucking done indeed.
What IS Part Down? by gotilk	May 22nd, 2009 10:03:00 PM
Worth watching? I avoid most comedies on TV. I never miss Big Bang Theory, but that's about it.
We need something strange and new by LV_426	May 22nd, 2009 10:04:17 PM
Like Twin Peaks but not a rehash or a rip-off. Get a group of crazy and creatively fearless directors and screenwriters to come up with something insane. How about Lynch, Cronenberg, Coppola, Chris Cunningham, Spike Jonze, and Darren Aronofsky... people who are not afraid to do odd and overly bizarre work. Get one of these guys to create a concept for a show, then get the rest of 'em to be recurring directors. Also get a bunch of wild screenwriters to staff the writer's room. This would avoid the problem of Twin Peaks having some really amazing standout Lynch directed episodes while all the others were a little tame compared to what he did, while allowing for others to write and direct and at the same time bring something strong to the mix. It will never happen but it would be a fun experiment to watch.
PartY Down. by gotilk	May 22nd, 2009 10:04:31 PM
It is at these times that I briefly agree with the people who want an edit feature. But then I remember most people here would abuse it to make marginally insane people seem completely delusional and a danger to themselves/others.
Did anyone buy that gold box set of TP? by The Dum Guy	May 22nd, 2009 10:09:57 PM
I was wondering if it had the pilot episode version that was for overseas markets (they wrap up the whole storyline in two hours)? That was my initial viewing of the show, followed by FWWM (which is a really weird way to start from).
Yes bacci40, a mini-series or new TP movie by LV_426	May 22nd, 2009 10:12:46 PM
Would be awesome. Maybe we'll get a remake once Hollywood moves on from redoing 80's films and TV shows. Twin Peaks was 1990, so I'm sure we're not that far off from a big screen Twin Peaks remake. After that will of course be an X-Files re-imaging too. They would probably focus the remake on the Laura Palmer murder, making it more of a police procedural/detective film and losing some of the secondary characters and subplots. While this probably sounds like a shit idea to most (it probably is), I have to admit that I would love to see what David Fincher could do with a big budget Twin Peaks film. Unfortunately, Hollywood is too tame these days to give anything with any kind of budget to David Lynch. Sucks, but it is the times we live in.
If that was Bell's final TV series appearance for a while... by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 10:19:50 PM
since her movie career is approaching warp speed, what a way to go out. Give her the Emmy for Guest Comedy Actress and be fucking done with it. No 30 Rock guest lady came even close to what Kristen displayed tonight. Made. Of. Win. And there better be double-digit nominations for Party Down itself, including every member of its cast. Gotlik, you NEED to see this show. Anybody, it's worth your while to seek it out. It's on Netflix, Starz On Demand, etc. Excellent.
Lynch left in S2 to do Wild At Heart by reflecto	May 22nd, 2009 10:21:59 PM
When he came back he was unhappy with what Frost, Peyton, Engels etc had set up that was more linear in terms of the mytharcs with the Lodges, Windom Earle, Glastonbury Grove, etc. He threw out most of the finale script which was much more verbose and talky with Earle and the Lodge spirits, but the general ideas remained. I think the finale is brilliant and I agree Season 2 has problems, but overall I think it is as much of a mad spurt of genius as Season 1, and even for its failings, is better than most of TV today - unlike lame showrunners on Heroes, Prison Break and yes, Lost, the TP gurus knew how to create a solid mytharc that seemed organic and consistent to the show. Also, the Annie Blackburn character only came about because Kyle McLachlan refused to play a major planned romance between Cooper and Audrey Horne. As such, much of the latter half of Season 2 had to be retooled, whereas the first half (Audrey lost at One Eyed Jack's) had been leading to their romance.
Wyvern, this was the series' best episode. by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 10:29:25 PM
All of 'em are obvious believers in saving the best for last.
PennsyDeux by gotilk	May 22nd, 2009 10:55:14 PM
Just watched it. That was FUNNY! You were right.
So wouldn't that make them the ones who canceled by CherryValance	May 22nd, 2009 10:57:56 PM
Twin Peaks? dum dums.
"I'll see you again in twenty-five years." by SpyGuy	May 22nd, 2009 11:13:54 PM
Remember that scene? I always thought it would be brilliant if Kyle MacLachlan reprised the role of Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Dale Cooper in 2017, tnwety-five years after TWIN PEAKS ended. Unfortunately, half the cast is now dead or will be by the time 2017 arrives, but it would be great to see a 25 years-older Cooper in the Black Lodge one final time. Oh, and the US LIFE ON MARS was NOT "supershitty." It just wasn't as good as the UK version, but still better than most of the supershitty stuff on American TV (I'm looking at you, DOLLHOUSE!).
I watched ABC's Life on Mars by Royston Lodge	May 23rd, 2009 12:26:00 AM
I quite enjoyed it, in fact.
I want Agent Mulder to investigate Agent Cooper. by Royston Lodge	May 23rd, 2009 12:26:54 AM
Never gonna happen, but a boy can dream.
Wasn't Mulder(Duchovny) on the show by paulrichard	May 23rd, 2009 12:39:07 AM
as a crossdressing FBI agent?
According to Ray Wise... by brisco1138	May 23rd, 2009 12:41:23 AM
I interviewed Ray a couple of years ago, and while we were talking about Twin Peaks, he said that he wouldn't be surprised if Lynch revisited the story at some point. Ray was of the opinion that Lynch hasn't given up on the show, and a cable network like HBO or Showtime might be interested in doing a limited-run sequel.
hmmmm.... by The Dum Guy	May 23rd, 2009 12:47:39 AM
...within 24 hours we get two TBs that involve Lynch. I wonder when he'll bother to do another film?
PennyDeux by wyvern	May 23rd, 2009 12:51:48 AM
I think this will be the best episode after a second watch.So much stuff happened.I CAN NOT wait till the next season. Oh and On the starz on demand mention... like venture brothers people can watch the new episode before the episode airs.Just something to keep in mind for next season.
(winston) FIST! by DreamSeasonBobby	May 23rd, 2009 12:59:27 AM
Alright: First, Twin Peaks' pilot and first season style was larging a by-product of the industry just coming out of the late 80/early 90s WGA strike and therefore ABC needing to greenlight projects and get them on the air ASAP; Frost has said multiple times that the suits virtually left him, Lynch, & co alone during those early months and it shows. Although huge among introverted Gen X college alumns of the time, not to mention all film & TV critics, TP did not play well in potatoe land (sic) and suffered in the ratings. Instead of growing a spine and talking up the novelty, ABC bounced the show's schedule around like a ping pong, eventually dumping it on Saturday night to burn off the series (hmmm...Pushing Daisies, Harper's Island, Kings...pattern buffer much?). Anyway, not to be redundant, but it IS completely ridiculous for a completely different group of network execs to even act like they were the ones who lit, fed, and watered this blackest of orchids. However, regardless of what happens with Happy Town, Twin Peaks lives on vicariously by continuing one "school of thought in genre TV" (Prisoner, Kolchak, Peyton Place, etc) thru other shows, allowing Fox to take a risk with X-Files, which led to various knockoffs, allowing WB to take a risk with a certain Whedon project, followed by Lost, Fringe, et al. A couple of final thoughts, my gut reaction upon learning of this new show was: WHAT IF 'HAPPY TOWN' IS "BLUE HARVEST"?? You know, what if it IS Twin Peaks and the whole thing's a scam so they can gain shock value in the fall? It would explain why some already working actors are involved. But, nah, it would take too much of a "new disruptor" mindset for ABC to do that and, well, this isn't 1979.
I wish David Bowie would by Lyghthouse	May 23rd, 2009 01:01:56 AM
star on a recurring TV show(not to mention lend his voice to the Venture Brothers).
ABC has enough cast members from by Dingbatty	May 23rd, 2009 02:14:16 AM
Firefly/Serenity on various shows. Just buy the TV rights from FOX and fire it up.
WHERE ARE THE FIRE WALK WITH ME DELETED SCENES?! by la_sith	May 23rd, 2009 03:08:37 AM
CHRIST ALMIGHTY.
I liked Life On Mars and hate it got cancelled. by Mr Spork	May 23rd, 2009 03:47:44 AM
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK about the original. So, to the people who incessantly insist on comparing them ad nauseam every time LOM is mentioned: Go fuck yourselves.
I MISS IT TOO HERC. I MISS IT TOO.. by seniorspeilbergio	May 23rd, 2009 03:48:54 AM
I think we've all played that third season in our heads. I also see it with the 25 years later reference as the active ingredient. But i see the town completely transformed by Coopers Doppleganger. The real Cooper is still in the lodge and the town is quiet and dark like Bad Day at Black Rock. NO ONE wants to talk about what happened 25 years ago and don't even think about uttering the words Laura Palmer. All the cast members that have passed in real life have of course passed in the show, except for BOB. He must be recast unfortunately. A new FBI agent comes to the town (a rookie perhaps) who's a student of Gordon Cole. He wants to solve the sudden dissapearence of Agent Cooper, who he believes dissapeared 10 years after he emerged from the Black Lodge. This agent must track down a reclusive Sheriff Truman to help him solve the case. This would lead to a climactic reappearance of Chester Desmond at the towns Passion Play which is kind of a half religious ceremony/bizarre local custom and was going to be an important story element in season 3. At some point, the real Cooper emerges and makes them track down the one armed man which he says is the only entity that can defeat BOB. That's what I want to see. BOB and the one armed man having that final showdown. And yeah, i've thought about Mulder showing up and working the case. I remember a rumor in the x-files early seasons that they were wanting to do a twin peaks cross over since Carter was such a huge fan of the show and has even noted Peaks as one of the original inspirations for X-Files but it never panned out. Anyway, Herc what say you to my ideas? Ball's back in your court.
FWWM by seniorspeilbergio	May 23rd, 2009 03:51:50 AM
Yeah, I heard about those deleted scenes. Lynch supposedly has a five hour cut of the movie somewhere and i think he ALMOST released it.
I'd settle for... by SH5000	May 23rd, 2009 04:11:42 AM
...a decent comic book sequel, if Lynch would oversee it. It would take the aging/dying actor thing out of the equation. Seems like a Dark Horse title to me.
Mr Spork by Donkey_Lasher	May 23rd, 2009 05:18:11 AM
I hope you spend the rest of your life watching shitty remakes of classic shows.
Fenn humps a beastman??? by kafka07	May 23rd, 2009 05:33:50 AM
What the hell movie was that?
"Daddy you're my daddy!" by magic_ninja	May 23rd, 2009 07:51:51 AM
Sorry but most of Twin Peaks season 2 was horseshit. Especially all the Ben Horne/Civil War/Donna's Father bullshit. Yeah, Warren Frost's stupid scream at the end after he cracks Ben's head on the fireplace...whatever. Oh and Amy Acker's involved in this new show? Miss "I Can't Keep a Texas Accent For Two Episodes of Angel"? No thanks.
I too really enjoyed Life on Mars by Big Jim	May 23rd, 2009 09:16:42 AM
Haven't had a chance to see the original so I didn't watch it with biased eyes. Still, no matter how superior the original might be, there's no way it would make me think the US version is on par with October Road. Michael Imperioli's mustache alone was worth tuning in for.
I'm looking forward to this show. by saintsaucey	May 23rd, 2009 09:53:41 AM
Yay Amy Acker but boo if it means they won't have her on Doll House anymore. I don't see the show lasting but It will be a fun ride. and I never ever saw Twin Peaks
The fact more people are excited about TP says it all by 2for2true	May 23rd, 2009 11:03:51 AM
This is a show that screams "come back to me." But not to ABC. Take it to Showtime or HBO and let's get weird again.
Lynch: Never Again by amrcanpoet	May 23rd, 2009 11:22:06 AM
Lynch has said, multiple times, that he will never go back to Twin Peaks. I remember it came out specifically in 1999, when X-Files had peaked, and everyone started asking about TP coming back. TV Guide even posted a rumor that a new show by Lynch called, "Tree Loggers" was going to pick-up 10 years after TP. That's when Lynch came out and finally put to rest any hope of a TP revival. My worry is that it opens the door for someone with a Ron Moore ego complex to come in and redo it. Sure, you can redo BSG, because the original was camp fun, and the reboot was serious. But, TP was ALWAYS serious, even when it was campy. It was perfect the first time, and should only be revived to continue the story, not to reboot it -- which, unfortunately, is what most networks want these days.
Herc, nobody watched FREAKS AND GEEKS. by Lenny Nero	May 23rd, 2009 11:51:47 AM
Does that mean it's unwatchable? More people watched LIFE ON MARS (US) than F&G. Does that mean it's better?
Fire Walk With Me Deleted Scenes by DancingDwarf	May 23rd, 2009 01:34:33 PM
Hopefully one day, Lynch will release the Deleted Scenes to FWWM. Check out all the crap that was cut here: http://dugpa.com/fwwm_deleted_ scenes.php
Herc, how is TP anything like BSG, Kubrick, or Alias??? by Sloopjohnb	May 23rd, 2009 01:38:33 PM
BSG and Alias aren't even in the same league as TP. Kubrick's films (all masterpieces) have nothing in common with TP either. So, where are the similarities between BSG, Kubrick, and Alias? (I don't expect them to be obvious, but even thinking deeper, I can't see any)
Kubrick & Lynch by BillEmic	May 23rd, 2009 02:13:19 PM
It's said that Kubrick screened "Eraserhead" for his crew before shooting "The Shining," saying that it represented the atmosphere/feeling he wanted to go for. And Lynch is a huge admirer of all of Kubrick's work. So, I mean, the two of them do have something of a connection.
A long as it starts out by jonsnow	May 23rd, 2009 02:24:29 PM
With a bar scene with Adam Lambert singing.
J'ai une ame solitaire... by DanielKurland	May 23rd, 2009 03:14:38 PM
TWIN PEAKS IS SO FUCKING WONDERFUL. Cooper's monologue at the beginning of the second season premiere, as he lies on the ground, is just phenomenal acting and writing on all accounts.
Yes, any fault of Twin Peaks, is not Lynch's... by DanielKurland	May 23rd, 2009 03:20:45 PM
Obviously I'm being a little facetious, but they FORCED him to reveal the mystery. Which is WHY a lot of people were watching. Sure, some of the post Laura stuff struggles at first, but the concept of Windom Earle is great, and that two hour series finale is one of my favorite things I've ever seen.
IF Twin Peaks came back, it would be 25 years later... by DanielKurland	May 23rd, 2009 03:22:10 PM
As shown in the pilot. I mean, Cooper has been in the Black Lodge for that long.
BillEmic by Sloopjohnb	May 23rd, 2009 04:21:51 PM
Its no secret that Kubrick and Lynch both admired eachothers work; but I don't see Kubrick anywhere in TP; Kubrick was way too cynical to create a character like Dale Cooper.
When did the "25 years later" thing happen? by BillEmic	May 23rd, 2009 04:30:40 PM
When did they say that Dale was trapped in the Black Lodge that long? I just remember the ending of season 2 with Dale trapped, then a brief reference in Fire Walk With Me ("The good Dale is trapped in the Lodge"), but never any mention that he was stuck there for 25 years.
25 years... by DanielKurland	May 23rd, 2009 04:48:40 PM
In the alternate "movie" version of the pilot, when Cooper's "dream" in the Black Lodge occurs. It explicitly says "25 YEARS LATER" on the screen. In the actual show, when the dream does occur, it doesn't say this, but when Cooper is telling the dream to Lucy and Harry, he makes reference to the fact that he's been there for 25 years. I suppose there is no official statement that when Cooper is stuck in the Lodge at the end of the series, he'll be there for 25 years, I was just connecting the dots that the show sets up for you.
Haha, I forgot about that James season 2 plotline... by DanielKurland	May 23rd, 2009 07:51:38 PM
Where he's with that woman trying to get him to kill her husband or something? Okay, I'll admit that that was dumb, if only for the fact that he LEFT Twin Peaks. There was no need to be seeing this!
25 Years Later (or 20?) by The Bicycle Sharer	May 23rd, 2009 08:37:57 PM
Also, if I'm not mistaken, something was made of a planetary conjunction (Jupiter and Saturn) that occurs that creates an opening to the Black Lodge. Or to the waiting room. Like most things in Twin Peaks, it's never made quite clear, but Major Briggs rambles about it and Coop finds the astrological symbols for Jupiter and Saturn on the map from Owl Cave. Anyway, this conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn occurs about every twenty years. With the demise of the show, many were lead to speculate that Coop would be trapped in the Black Lodge (or Waiting Room) for 25 (or 20) years.
Okay, look, I love Lynch as much (or more)... by The Bicycle Sharer	May 23rd, 2009 08:59:10 PM
Than the next guy. As evidenced by a previous posting, I hate network execs as much (or more)than the next guy... But the idea of keeping the identity of Laura's killer a secret throughout the show's entire run is ludicrous. And it's not just network execs who said it. It's not just me who said it. It's Mark Frost, the show's co-creator, who said it. In fact, though he has a lot of respect for Lynch and how he works and what he accomplishes, Frost has often been openly derisive of Lynch as a storyteller. And with good reason. David Lynch, whom I adore (own all his flicks AND his straight to vid productions from his website), is a master at DIRECTION and establishing MOOD - he absolutely sucks at telling a coherent story. Now maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how in the fuck Lynch could make a tv show like Mulholland or Lost Highway or Inland Empire that holds a Lynchian atmosphere and aesthetic for 16- 24 episodes a year AND attracts and retains viewers WITHOUT good storytelling. And, I reiterate, Lynch sucks at storytelling and would sooner bounce around from one eclectic group of characters to the next, hearing snatches of mysterious conversations, catching glimpses of strange (possibly perverse) goings on in the background, without any logical rhyme or reason only a thematic one. In an era when American Idol is the number one television show, the chances of Lynch being able to do it are slimmer than Jacques Renault winning a hard body bikini contest.
What was wrong with the US version of Life On Mars? by Series 7	May 24th, 2009 03:03:01 AM
I guess you never watched it.
Does CBS own the TP rights anyway? by Himbo	May 24th, 2009 03:31:32 AM
Per their hosting of the streaming vids? http://www.cbs.com/classics/tw in_peaks/video/video.php?cid=7 15022535&pid=zzcwIFNRDuSPIvqs_ _UQPg_4JGDGjTN_&play=true&cc=1
Ashes To Ashes would have been a better remake candidate. by dailysportspages	May 24th, 2009 04:04:29 AM
It would have been easier to cast that way, you wouldnt have had to get way too old Harvey Keitel to play against the "too hunky" Jason O'Mara. Besides the male cop/female cop dynamic plays better here in the states now, the male buddy cop shows dont seem to work here anymore. And a cop show set in the 80's would be a lot easier to reproduce successfully, specially if set in Los Angeles/Hollywood with its rich 80's era iconography. Gene: Grant Show or Val Kilmer if they want to use a big name as the star. Alex: Maggie Siff Ray: Michael Cudlitz Chris: Eric Balfour Shaz: Lacey Chabert Viv: Clarke Peters
I'd love to see a third season... by henrydalton	May 24th, 2009 05:18:18 AM
If only to give TP the send off it really deserved. But Lynch would have to be 100% on board from the start, and totally present and involved throughout the whole series. The second series went off the rails so badly after its first six or so episodes, it really wasn't even fun to watch anymore. The Lynch S2 finale went some way to getting back to the good stuff, but even that wasn't anywhere near Season 1 good.
AUDREY HORNE LIVES!!! by DOGSOUP	May 24th, 2009 05:47:45 AM

I'm not saying they should have NEVER revealed it... by DanielKurland	May 24th, 2009 06:08:14 AM
But they should have just let Lynch go at his own pace. I don't see what the big deal with finally revealing it was, as for the past bunch of episodes, it was obvious who it was, just due to all of the superimposing of Bob over him. It never stated that he was the killer at this point, but it was clear. Goddamn if that Leland/Maddy "dance" scene isn't one of the scariest things to air on TV.
Why was NapPark banned?!? Herc? by D.Vader	May 24th, 2009 09:57:45 AM
Herc are you responsible for that? Why was he banned? Because of something he said here about the tv show, or bc he implied you had never seen it? A little help, please?
Hey herc, this mean we lose A.A on dollhouse? by nrn	May 24th, 2009 10:55:51 AM
Okay if Amy Acker leaves Dollhouse for this piece of shit that won't make it past its 4th episode if it even goes to series, I will be pissed.
Twin Peaks by blhotz	May 24th, 2009 01:32:46 PM
was canceled early too because of shitty ratings. So wouldn't TP be considered a shitty-series too, Herc, like Life on Mars? ...too many damn quality shows are being canceled, grr...
Twin Peaks the Game by readyoufool	May 24th, 2009 02:53:20 PM
They need to make a game from Twin Peaks. Similar to Fable or Warcraft where there are quests (missions, investigations) all centering around a primary goal having to do with the black lodge. and with xbox live or whatever equivalent the ps3 has you could cough up a gigantic some of money to get lynch/frost to write storylines for downloadable content. I almost want this more than new episodes. New things could be revealed. the storyline could continue as lynch intended.
TWIN PEAKS like The Prisoner is a masterpiece by Gorgomel	May 24th, 2009 02:59:38 PM

As long as The Arm says... by blue1622	May 24th, 2009 10:20:14 PM
"Let's shake some dust!" I want more Twin Peaks and more Carnivale.
Seriously Herc by Series 7	May 24th, 2009 10:51:08 PM
Why is there no dedicated talkback for Breaking Bad? It is the best form of entertainment in any medium right now and you just ignore it? Are you really not watching it? Can't a show be liked on this site and not be lame ass sci fi or a cop drama?
I mean it fucking had Q ON IT TONIGHT! by Series 7	May 24th, 2009 10:51:41 PM
Q! Better then any other fucking cameo on Dollhouse last season.
Twin Peaks was going to have a Nintendo RPG by reflecto	May 25th, 2009 02:28:21 AM
As a kid I searched far and wide for info on it. But it was cancelled. Motherfuckers.
fuck breaking bad by wyvern	May 25th, 2009 02:59:17 AM
So sick of those commercials and pop ups(that take up one third of the screen on my tv) while I'm trying to watch a damn movie.Dipshits.Way to make me not want to watch a show on your network. Plus when the fuck did star trek nemesis and catwoman become american movie classics?!?!?!?!?
I'm just pissed Kings is cancelled by David Cloverfield	May 25th, 2009 03:42:07 AM
I know it has nothing to do with anything, but I just watched the first four eps, and they're awesome.
I agree with Jardinier and the others... by SunTzu77	May 25th, 2009 07:11:11 AM
Life On Mars (US version) wasn't bad.
I've seen this show's pilot... And I like it. by Nix_Cadavre	May 25th, 2009 10:01:22 AM
I was in a test group for the pilot, and I kind of like the show. It's got that creepy Twin Peaks vibe, but with a little Fargo thrown in for good measure. The main characters are all decent (but I'd get rid of the abundance of "family" scenes) and the actors are all good in their roles. I especially like (SPOILER) the boarding house where one of the main character is staying-- It's populated by a group of old ladies who all seem to be controlled by the woman who owns the place, in some creepy, subtle manner. The boarding house scenes are well-played and will hook audiences for sure. Any show in which the main plot is children being taken from a small town, and the perpetrator is a mysterious figure known as the Magic Man... Well, it has potential. And heck, the show starts out with Boyd Banks (known for his roles in Dawn of the Dead (2004) and Land of the Dead) getting a spike hammered into his head! This is good stuff. If they implement any of the suggestions I made (and I hope other testers made, too) the show has a lot of possibilities.
I'd settle for more of Agent Cooper's dictations on tape. by Royston Lodge	May 25th, 2009 11:03:55 AM
When Twin Peaks was at its height, I was one of those people who bought the cassette compilation of Agent Cooper's audio messages to his secretary, including messages that were never in the show. It was great to listen to in the car. If Lynch paid McLaughlin to record another set, I'd buy it.
wyvern by Series 7	May 25th, 2009 12:16:34 PM
Why the fuck are you watching Movies on AMC???
Life on Mars by Felix_Happer	May 25th, 2009 12:59:32 PM
Sorry, but LoM was NOT "supershitty". The soundtrack alone was the best on tv last season.
Her's insane... by Ultimo The Duck	May 25th, 2009 04:57:27 PM
The US Life On Mars was an excellent program.
Kubrick, Twin Peaks, and Sherilyn Fenn. by Agentcoop007	May 25th, 2009 05:00:45 PM
Alot of what happened in Twin Peaks was IMO up to the viewer to interpret, Just like with alot of Kubrick's work. Sherilyn Fenn was my teenage obsession, from Meridian, to Boxing Helena she was the best! As for the 25 years later, it was always my hope that a revival would happen within the same timing of the Black Lodge reopening and the "good" Dale getting out. You see, IMO Dale had to be trapped in the Black Lodge so he could help guide Laura into a way into heaven (see FWWM's last moments). Doing this was Dale's great sacrifce, and looped around giving the series a ending hidden in the prequel movie. Twin Peaks will always be talked about due to it being so different then anything on american TV before it, and only if Lynch/Frost make the revival would it be worth the trouble. I do think that it can happen, a new series or mini-series could get greenlighted on the name alone, and the actors still with us I'm sure would love to jump on board. I had not ever heard before about Lynch not wanted to revisit TP, but if he said something 10 years ago, maybe his mind has changed? This fan who has been using the "agentcoop" handle for 15 years sure hopes so :)
Agent Cooper's dictations by Agentcoop007	May 25th, 2009 05:06:48 PM
There was a great book that came out that was all of Agent Cooper's dictations from when he got his first micro tape recorder as a teenager. It was an awesome read as you got to learn about him growing up, losing his virginity, becoming an FBI agent, and Falling in love with Earle's wife and getting stabbed by him, all the way to him driving into Twin Peaks. Try and find a copy on ebay or something, its worth the read :)
The tie-in books are great by reflecto	May 25th, 2009 09:16:30 PM
Including Laura Palmer's diary in which we learned she got it on with Josie Packard.
mmmm...Garmonbozia!! by smackfu	May 26th, 2009 04:30:43 AM

Twin Peaks was hands down by smackfu	May 26th, 2009 04:39:46 AM
the greatest thing that was ever on tv, ever.
Life On Mars by hst666	May 26th, 2009 10:06:11 AM
was a good show. Herc obviously stopped watching after the pilot. The Ending was superior to the trite and boring UK ending as well.
On the gold box set by CherryValance	May 26th, 2009 11:26:52 AM
Lynch seemed like he'd felt better about Twin Peaks, so I hope he'd consider going back. It would be great if he went back to the 25 year later thing and used that as a jumping off point. I mean that leaves the world open to him. I'd be more worried that MacLachlan might be the one not to do it because as I recall he was one of the people who didn't want to do FWWM. Right? But hopefully he also would have gotten over it over the years. I'd really really love for them to revisit Twin Peaks.
Kyle MacLachlan by Agentcoop007	May 26th, 2009 12:10:48 PM
Kyle MacLachlan had a chance at the movies in 1991, but now he would be a fool not to revisit his most famous role (next to Dune of course). BTW I saw him in a promo for DH the other day, and he is actualy starting to look like his "25 years later" self on the TV show :)
love that Twin Peaks idea by altoandando	May 26th, 2009 02:08:45 PM
MAKE IT SO... come on, can't you aicn geeks just do things like that if you e-mail the right people?
also agree that Life on Mars doesn't deserve that sass talk by altoandando	May 26th, 2009 02:11:09 PM
come on... lots of good elements. the network just didn't throw it's weight behind it and some things were a bit silly. great moments though and ended bold.
"Herc obviously stopped watching after the pilot" by Big Jim	May 26th, 2009 02:12:14 PM
Seeing as how Herc found the show to be "unwatchable" I would think he didn't even see that much. After all, if it was to him "unwatchable", how could he have watched it?
Kyle MacLachlan probably was leary of doing FWWM by Big Jim	May 26th, 2009 02:15:08 PM
for fear of being further typecast. But since then his biggest roles have been on Sex & The City and Desperate Housewives, so I think he'd jump at a chance to revisit Twin Peaks. Oh yeah, he was also in Showgirls.
Later I shall read the collected works of Timothy Leery by Big Jim	May 26th, 2009 02:16:59 PM
(stupid brain making typos)
Evil Cooper by Oknight	May 26th, 2009 08:12:59 PM
What we saw of evil Agent Cooper was that he squeezed all the toothpaste out of the middle of a tube while laughing-- I just figured that we'd learn that Cooper's doppelganger was really, really, bad at being evil.
Oknight by CherryValance	May 26th, 2009 08:20:35 PM
You mean he'd go around putting empty juice containers back in the fridge and ripping those tags off of mattresses?
I loved the British LIFE ON MARS... by SnapT	May 27th, 2009 06:48:02 AM
...and was ready to hate the American version, but I watched every episode and it won me over. I even dug the ending.
Everyone Dreams of S3 Of Twin Peaks by holidill	May 27th, 2009 01:52:10 PM
I think at one time or another all fans have a vision of what they would like to see in a season 3. Mine involves people's spirits being placed in other bodies hence you don't have to bring back the original cast if you can't get them, and have new actors portray the characters as they were in 91. Then jumnp ahead to current time for new eps. I still believe the season finale of season one is one of the best season finales of all time and sets up so much stuff. And I agree with Sherilynn Fenn. Nice...
the only thing supershitty about Life on Mars by oisin5199	May 28th, 2009 10:23:32 AM
was the supershitty rushed ending. Had to get one last comment before this talkback disappeared, but I heartily DISAGREE with Herc's assessment. Though some eps fell flat, I thought the show was often poignant, with interesting characters, and some really cool wtf moments. But that ending was lazy, unsupported and just cheesy, negating the impact of the entire series. If they could have come up with a better ending or had continued the series, it would have been great. But I always liked how the episodes ended with the reverse countdown after an emotionally impactful moment. So I actually thought it was quite good.
readyoufool by henrydalton	May 29th, 2009 10:14:42 AM
There was a game coming out called 'Rainy Woods' which was ridiculously over-influenced by Twin Peaks - so much so that they had to delay release to make changes in order to avoid a lawsuit! Think it was for PS3 - do a google search and watch the trailer, it's ridiculously Peaks-y. Only... a bit shit.
In fact, I'll save you the trouble... by henrydalton	May 29th, 2009 10:15:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =EbbhwO7pRHA

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