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by xega
May 22nd, 2009
08:47:28 AM
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The Girlfriend Experience
by Monkey Butler
May 22nd, 2009
09:17:13 AM
Is playing at the Sydney International Film Festival, and I was tossing up whether to go see it. The CHUD review swayed me against it, but Capone's just brought me back to the other side. Shit.
They tore GFE up at Pajiba
by Hercules_Will_Die_Alone
May 22nd, 2009
09:24:20 AM
anyone ever go there?
"He may not be the best one working today, but he's my favorite.
by Windowlicker74
May 22nd, 2009
09:25:35 AM
so in your opinion he is the best one working today, ok? christ all these geeks with there different end-of-the-year lists, favourite movies, best movies, personal best movies SIGH!! your favorite director is the BEST director in your humble opinion. glad we got that out of the way.

by Windowlicker74
May 22nd, 2009
09:26:38 AM
their
Windowlicker
by Monkey Butler
May 22nd, 2009
09:40:25 AM
To put things in AICN parlance: I like some of Michael Bay's films. But I would never call them good films. Liking that Soderbergh is so willing to make his own way, experiment with the medium of film and constantly make interesting films doesn't mean that he's the best director going around. I'd say 'best' is a much more objective title than 'favourite'.
You should watch Sasha...
by tlsivart
May 22nd, 2009
09:49:44 AM
in a porno. She'd want it that way and she's just as talented at that side of her life.
If a porn star can go mainstream
by estacado1
May 22nd, 2009
10:05:41 AM
why can't it work the other way round? I'm looking at you Anne Hathaway.
You knoe you are going to download some Sasha Grey porn
by Rupee88
May 22nd, 2009
10:45:54 AM
don't even pretend like you aren't...in a moment of weakness you will and we all have those moments if we are healthy guys.
Windowlicker74
by Rupee88
May 22nd, 2009
10:47:32 AM
you are absolutely right...appreciation of art is ultimately 100% subjective and your "favorite" director is by definition the "best" director unless you are confused...as Capone is here.
The gay agenda is considered forward thinking policy?
by natecore
May 22nd, 2009
10:57:07 AM
Nothing like seeking equality under the gov't when they were born free and equal. Does anybody listen to those of us that want gov't to have nothing to do w/ marriage? God forbid we want to keep some privacy in our lives.
I don't care for Soderbergh anymore
by D.Vader
May 22nd, 2009
11:33:11 AM
I just can't get myself excited for any film he does nowadays. I hear about a new project from him and all I can muster is "meh". Sad really. You think I could appreciate him, but now I just find myself ... bored with him.
sasha grey...
by MADE_IN_ENGLAND
May 22nd, 2009
11:58:02 AM
cant even do PORN ACTING let alone mainstream! she's fucking awful! she gets lots of work and acclaim because shes super gorgeous and she'll do anything toa anyone in her completely phoney desensitised fashion. that's all. this film sounds boring as hell.
natecore
by Monkey Butler
May 22nd, 2009
12:06:54 PM
Considering marriage is in fact a legal relationship first and foremost, "the government" has a lot to do with it. Determining health, welfare and property rights is a legal issue. Seems to me that "the gay agenda" is to just seek equal rights for people living in what amounts to the same type of relationship as straight couples.
The gay agenda?
by Hercules_Will_Die_Alone
May 22nd, 2009
12:55:14 PM
To be treated like human beings.
don't hijack this thread and talk about gay stuff
by Rupee88
May 22nd, 2009
01:45:26 PM
This is a movie starring a porn star chick..let's stay on topic.
I think the gay agenda was realized in the last Twighlight threa
by AzulTool
May 22nd, 2009
01:53:59 PM
Talking about gay agenda.....
by estacado1
May 22nd, 2009
02:47:38 PM
There 2 movies that are going to change the world this year, Bruno and Avatar. Bruno will make anybody who is doesn't agree with ass fucking among men an outcast, and Avatar will fuck people's eyeballs out.
I wan't aware
by Quin the Eskimo
May 22nd, 2009
03:15:55 PM
that gay people are actually people, herc-death, thanks for clearing that up.

Now that I understand that I will change my mind about words and their definitions.


by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
03:33:19 PM
"Brave" and "Fearless" directors
by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
03:39:46 PM
Not to rag on you Capone, but that is a huge pet peeve of mine when someone describes a filmmaker or artist that way.

Fearless is willing to charge a machine gun nest all by yourself or rush into a burning building; Brave is being a black dude in the 1950's in the South and daring to set at the whites only section to force change in the country.

Making a movie isn't at the same level. Maybe making a pro-Jewish movie in Nazi Germany would make someone use those descriptions, but I don't think there is much personal risk making a movie about johns who hire prostitutes for the GFE.

Girlfriend Experience
by tallsy
May 22nd, 2009
04:21:05 PM
I saw it OnDemand on TV. I wasn't impressed beyond the sleek filmmaking. The previous poster put it perfectly. Yeah, Sasha Grey is gorgeous and she can pretend to be more interesting than she is. But that doesn't make her a good actress. And if I wanted to watch as smug screed against capitalism by someone making art with other people's money, I'd watch "There Will Be Blood" again which at least has some interesting ideas.
40s and 50s they knew how to make smug screeds against a capital
by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
04:46:46 PM
Back then, at least those guys against capitalism were actual commies, socialist or die-hard liberals with strong anti-capital credentials. Now, I like capitalism, hate communism, but fuck if those old timers didn't know how to really make a good "The capital system is corrupt and evil" films. Especially the noirs.

Force of Evil, Brute Force, The Prowler, Night and the City - those were all damn good "capitalism is evil" movies, and the funny thing is those commies seemed less preachy than the guys making those type of films today.

The Girlfriend Experience isn't anti-capitalist
by palinode
May 22nd, 2009
05:13:36 PM
It's about what happens when capital becomes the guiding star for all transactions, public and private. There's a big difference between screaming that capitalism is evil and examining what happens when capitalism squeezes out everything else. Also, I enjoyed Grey in this film, but my favourite character was The Erotic Connoiseur. He was such a sleazy bastard.
sawGIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE on cable
by Six Demon Bag
May 22nd, 2009
05:28:55 PM
meh. typical boundary pushing soderbergh
Preachy filmmakers
by blakindigo
May 22nd, 2009
06:00:08 PM
“…the funny thing is those commies seemed less preachy than the guys making those type of films today.”

Why is that, do you think? I mean to be fair Stanley Kramer was a bit on the preachy side, but still that's a valid point you made Continentalop.

Somehow I don't think that applies to Egoyan or Soderberg, although I haven't seen "Ché" yet.
Preachiness and Soderberg
by tallsy
May 22nd, 2009
06:34:53 PM
I don't find Soderberg preachy, although I do find his ideas derivative and less thought-provoking than Sirk (IMO the best critique of American capitalism).

And to believe that "capitalism squeezes out everything else" is one of the primary beliefs of Marxism so I don't understand how that makes TGE any less anti-capitalist

If there is more preachiness, in anti-capitalist films, I think it's the increasing desperation in the wake of Communism's fall. You have to hit the dramatic notes harder, or else people might start laughing at you, which we all know is a fate worse than being hated.

As someone else aptly said
by Anal Inflictor
May 22nd, 2009
06:50:46 PM
you guys are the biggest bunch of faggots on the internet! Sasha is a goddess - she will fuck, suck, lick, swallow anything with anyone anytime! What more could you want from a woman? Oh, that's right, you're a bunch of FAGGOTS! Will Sasha become a master thespian? Maybe but probably not, but who cares? She's perfect already. The way a moral - i.e. capitalist - society works, is that each person in a transaction does so as an equal trader. Each person has to be willing to trade what the other wants for an agreed upon 'price' whether that's cash, services, etc. The people in the movie that are angry, unhappy, upset, etc. don't want to trade value-for-value. They want a freebie. And all I want is Sasha - and I'll pay the asking price!
blakindigo
by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
07:08:25 PM
Mine was a generalization and not targeted towards any specific director. But anyone who has ever watched the Sundance Channel knows what I am talking about when I talk about preachy anti-capitalist filmmakers.

As for Stanley Kramer, yes he could be preachy and be so obvious when delivering his message (especially the ones he directed) that he should have been wearing a mailman uniform, but for one thing he was preaching a message that the overwhelming majority of Americans probably accepted – racism and anti-Semitism was bad. The majority of Americans at that time might not have wanted to hang out with blacks, Jews or other minorities, but I think they all accepted the fact that racism was bad and unfair. And yes, Southerners obviously disagreed with racial tolerance and complained about his movies, but that just made Kramer’s films seem “important” when they really were tame (obvious and in-your-face, but not very brazen or challenging).

The only film in recent years that reminds me of a Kramer film is “Brokeback Mountain” which I think is a good movie but far from being as daring as everyone thinks it is. I mean, how many people out there in America are really against the idea of two gay men being in love? And the ones that are, they are so ass-backward and intolerant you knew they never would have accepted the movie. It changes no ones opinion but gives the illusion of being a “brave movie.” It is important that it broke new ground for homosexual story lines; it didn’t change America over night.

I should also say that some of the films Kramer produced were much more powerful and touched on sensitive subject matters much better than his own films did. The Men (handicapped), High Noon (HUAC and the Witch-Hunts), and The Sniper (mentally disturbed) all dealt with important subject matter but didn’t feel preachy or obvious. In fact two of them – High Noon and The Sniper – didn’t feel like message movies at all, they were genre flicks with a message smuggled in.

That is also why I think the past filmmakers were so much better at conveying messages than most modern films – they had to smuggle them in so people would see them as entertainment and not a church sermon. Anyone who has seen Martin Scorsese’s Personal Journey Through American Film knows about this concept – Scorsese spends an entire section of the DVD on this. Yes there was the important message movie, but the lower budget genre flicks that chose not to be so overt in their message usually eclipsed those. Hence while the studio gave you a painfully obvious story about anti-Semitism like Gentlemen’s Agreement, RKO gave you Crossfire, a film noir with anti-Semitism as the motive for murder. Today you get an obvious story about racism like Crash, but back then they made films dealing with the same subject matter that were infinitely better: the Well, No Way Out, Odds Against Tomorrow. All of those films are vastly superior to Haggis’ clumsy and intelligence insulting ode to Southern California racism.

And of course the Commie filmmaker had to be more covert and clever than anyone else, because he was sending a message that was generally despised by the majority of Americans (Communism is good isn’t going to get many people in the theatres). The only thing hated more than a Commie in America is a child molester, and the only filmmaker I know making pro-sleeping with underage boys is Victor Salva, and he isn’t nearly as good at hiding it as Abraham Polansky or Jules Dassin (I mean, Jeepers Creepers II and Powder look like they could have been financed by NAMBLA).

Damn it, blakindigo, you got me sprouting off like Cliff Claven!

Definition of Ironic
by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
07:09:26 PM
A guy called Anal Inflector calling everyone else "faggots."
Anal Inflictor
by tallsy
May 22nd, 2009
07:15:27 PM
I haven't been discussing Sasha Grey's porn work, because that's not in the movie. However, even if I disagree with your political philosophy, the movie you describe (that the problem with America is everyone expecting a free lunch) sounds more interesting than the movie Soderbergh made.
Excellent post Continentalop
by blakindigo
May 22nd, 2009
08:39:27 PM
I've never seen "The Sniper," I'd like to check that out.
50
by tallsy
May 22nd, 2009
08:54:16 PM
50s Social Issues Films
by tallsy
May 22nd, 2009
08:55:37 PM
I'm much less keen on them most - other than Force of Evil and The Well. I tend to agree with Billy Wilder on the Hollywood Ten, "Two were talented, the rest were trouble."
Well, Billy Wilder would know trouble
by blakindigo
May 22nd, 2009
09:41:05 PM
That man was talented beyond belief.
The Sniper is a great movie
by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
11:07:48 PM
And if you watch carefully you'll see a shot that Martin Scorsese swiped from it and put into Taxi Driver.
Tallsy you ever see No Way Out (1950)
by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
11:16:25 PM
by JJoseph L. Mankiewicz starring Richard Widmark and S Sidney Poitier? Great social issue movie around a racist bent on revenge against the black doctor he accuses of causing his brothers death. Widmark is just loathsome in it.
Who the fuck is
by Continentalop
May 22nd, 2009
11:20:39 PM
JJoseph L. Mankiewicz and S Sydney Poitier? Time for me to go out and drink.
No Way Out (1950) -- GREAT performances
by blakindigo
May 22nd, 2009
11:22:15 PM
Yeah—that's a vicious emotional ride.
Haven't Seen That
by tallsy
May 22nd, 2009
11:34:14 PM
But I have seen Brute Force and Odds Against Tomorrow and wasn't impressed. I did like Crossfire, though. I actually prefer the 30s social justice films.
30s Social Justice
by Continentalop
May 23rd, 2009
12:14:34 AM
First film that pops in my head is the Fury. That was unbelievable.
Yes the movie is on cable...
by whoisthisguy
May 23rd, 2009
08:34:34 AM
For everyone saying it's bad that's why it is already on cable, quality has nothing to do with it. Soderbergh has a deal with Mark Cuban's company HDnet (Cuban owns a pro sports team. I know most of the nerds here are not to into sports.) In the deal he gets a small budget and complete freedom to do whatever he wants in exchange for rights to show it on HDnet and small theatrical release. I'd take that deal, imagine being able to work with no one fucking with you.
I hope sasha wins an oscar!
by Potatino
May 23rd, 2009
09:57:49 AM
I reckon that'de be pretty damned cool if that happened!
Continentalop
by D.Vader
May 23rd, 2009
12:34:03 PM
Were those guys the more famous artists' non-union, Mexican equivalents?
D. Vader
by Continentalop
May 23rd, 2009
12:49:46 PM
No, I just suddenly got the shakes from lack of booze in my system.
Some might say that's a wakeup call, Conti...
by D.Vader
May 23rd, 2009
12:52:03 PM
I just call 'em hunger pains.
Good article, Capone
by palimpsest
May 23rd, 2009
05:37:46 PM
I hear your best / favourite viewpoint on Soderbergh. He's interesting in that he mixes commercial projects with arthouse and documentary. That's one reason I continue find to think directors like Jonathan Demme, Martin Scorsese, Ken Loach, Joe Berlinger, Richard Linklater and even Michael Moore interesting (I'm one those people that thinks that Moore's sensibilities might be better expressed in fiction than in documentary). Really interested in the Spalding Gray movie - and if you guys haven't seen either both Demme's SWIMMING TO CAMBODIA and Nick Broomfield's MONSTER IN A BOX then you really should.
And, yeah, CANADIAN BACON ain't great
by palimpsest
May 23rd, 2009
05:39:47 PM
though a Moore / Sacha Baron Cohen team-up might be interesting...
continentalpollop
by maitlanr
May 23rd, 2009
09:23:23 PM
nice man! whattaya think of lars von trier...he's obviously not subtle....
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