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ABC’s V Remake!!

I stopped reading when you said by digital_soul	May 22nd, 2009 02:56:17 AM
you gave Indy 4 a positive review. Sorry.
Actually I skim read afterall by digital_soul	May 22nd, 2009 02:58:24 AM
You probably should have watched the original mini. If you had you wouldn't have suggested they ripped off V for vendetta. The resistance sprayed red Vs in the original.
The first mini from 1983 still holds up by Angry Mike	May 22nd, 2009 02:58:44 AM
a shame the quality of the second doesn't. forget the series.
The original 5 part mini by digital_soul	May 22nd, 2009 03:01:51 AM
definitly still holds up today. the series that follows was like a Glen A. Larson show.
Elizabeth Mitchell by _Palmer_Eldritch	May 22nd, 2009 03:09:20 AM
guarantees me switching in week after week. Check out "Running Scared", good movie and Mitchell is great in it. Btw, I believe the "V" spraycan thing is also in the original pilot, right?
V for Victory by LukaBrasi	May 22nd, 2009 03:10:13 AM
If I remember correctly, in the original series the rebels sprayed a 'V' insignia as to mean Victory, not visitors as stated!! Then again I could be wrong!!
You're correct about what V stands for Lukabrasi by Mace13	May 22nd, 2009 03:22:28 AM
I can easily see where people would think that they got it from V for Vendetta. But it's not. It's from the original V mini series. The grandpa character(who I believe was supposed to be a concentration camp survivor?)took a can of red spray paint from a young kid who was painting graphitti on a wall. He then painted a large red V and told the kid "V is for Victory". Thats the only time I can recall them painting a V though. Correct me if i'm wrong.
Laura Vandervoort by slimjim	May 22nd, 2009 03:23:11 AM
plays lisa
Real New Yorkers... by snowpuff	May 22nd, 2009 03:49:01 AM
...would not give a crap.
5 part mini?! by blakindigo	May 22nd, 2009 03:57:26 AM
No, the original"V" was a two–part mini–series. "V: The Final Battle" was the abomination that took the majority of the elements from the original and basically broke anything that was cool.
The original 2-part V mini series by kwisatzhaderach	May 22nd, 2009 04:07:34 AM
is pretty astonishing. Amazing it was made for Americna TV in the 80s. A real quality production.
V for Victory ... by Ckought	May 22nd, 2009 04:16:25 AM
... since WWII. If they use it to mean Visitor, then they better have the resistance start repurposing it very quickly in the series or it'd be a slap-in-the-face to the entire concept of the original V mini-series (which was an analog to Nazi Germany).
You LIKED that rape-the-corpse of Indiana movie? by V'Shael	May 22nd, 2009 04:17:03 AM
You're admitting to all that you have no taste. Praising V in this case, is telling us all that its shit.
Cheesy effects, huh? by HellKing	May 22nd, 2009 04:29:00 AM
I remember watching the original and the speacial effects then were top notch for a TV show at that time that the cost per laser bolt shot was high on the mind of the producers and NBC regarding budget.
Sounds like the pilot by The McPoyle Clan	May 22nd, 2009 04:29:06 AM
has a lot of the elements that they used in the 4400 when it went way downhill. That show started out well, then got worse and got canned, and now it's been resurrected as V. Which 4400 alums will join Joel Gretsch and appear as guests?
final battle was great - until.. by rasALclart	May 22nd, 2009 04:30:55 AM
starchild saved the day with her magic sparkles
Forgot to add by The McPoyle Clan	May 22nd, 2009 04:32:16 AM
Another 4400/V parallel: getting a start as a pretty entertaining miniseries, then becoming a series and going to crap.
It looks expensive? by telepathos	May 22nd, 2009 04:32:20 AM
It's "expensive looking" but the limited budget is obvious? What the heck is that supposed to mean?
V is for Vagina by BurnHollywood	May 22nd, 2009 04:46:06 AM
They changed things this time around.
SHOWRUNNERS...SPEND MONEY ON VFX. by Pixelsmack	May 22nd, 2009 04:57:25 AM
It's a show with giant flying saucers and aliens for fuck sake! Spend some cash on the VFX!!!! 30 days and no money to deliver 200 VFX shots is assinine. Call up CITI BANK or LENDING TREE and set aside some cash for kick ass VFX to compliment a well written show!
V for Vendetta by imski	May 22nd, 2009 05:05:58 AM
Actually predates the TV show. It was first published in '82 whereas the TV show aired in '84 (all supported by wikipaedia)
Looks Intriguing by GrossMan	May 22nd, 2009 05:20:08 AM
The clips that have been released so far look intriguing, though I REALLY miss the Visitor uniforms. Not sure, for instance, how I feel about the Anna character dressed like a fashion model rather than a Visitor.
Forgot to Mention.... by GrossMan	May 22nd, 2009 05:21:49 AM
There are "V" interviews with Laura Vandervoort and Morris Chestnut over at www.visitorsamongus.com.
Is this remake also a "mini", or regular series? by TheSeeker7	May 22nd, 2009 05:51:21 AM
I just realized that's a detail I still haven't locked down. Is it something they intend to keep going with as long as they can?
Old school V by Jack Burton	May 22nd, 2009 06:05:22 AM
That series still holds up well. The f/x are good, the characters were memorable, and the story was well written. I doubt they are going with another WW 2/Holocaust parallel so what is the angle this time around? More of "the enemy looks like us" stuff that BSG did so well? I too liked the jump suits and army look of the Visitors. Also that they were so insiduous and able to weasel their way in to various influential positions so fast and making the Resistance be regarded as crackpots and terrorists. Hopefully the remake retains that and makes them a truly formidable opponent for the Resistance.
Correction about "Series" by Jack Burton	May 22nd, 2009 06:06:48 AM
I meant "mini-series". The TV Series was awful. Every episode another cast member was killed. After Willie got knocked off, I was done.
Is Alan Tudyk no longer in this? by muffin_buffalo	May 22nd, 2009 06:10:43 AM
I don't remember if he was mentioned in the other review. I haven't seen any pictures or mentions of him in any of the promotional info. I'll still check this out, but he was like half the reason to watch. Also, more confident than Juliet? Granted, she's way too insecure about Sawyer and Kate, but I think she's also one of the most confident female characters I've seen on television.
If this doofus liked "Skull"... by JackPumpkinhead	May 22nd, 2009 06:27:32 AM
...then this "V" thing is garbage.
A very clever plant... by rfid	May 22nd, 2009 06:33:41 AM
...who offsets his plant-iness by talking about being a plant in the opening paragraph. But still, clearly, a plant.
positive indy4 review = plant... by Conans Sword	May 22nd, 2009 06:37:11 AM
...or idiot, or both...sorry to be mean....do you want some more water indy plant?
In the original series, by the new transported man	May 22nd, 2009 06:50:00 AM
didn't it take a while before the aliens' intentions were uncovered? Wasn't there a bunch of episodes before you knew for sure that they were dicks? Sounds like they get right to it in this new joint. Also, I want to make long, sweet love to Elizabeth Mitchell.
To be honest... by dj_bollocks	May 22nd, 2009 07:00:13 AM
Not much of a review... could have just watched all the online clips...
close mindedness at its best by Bouncy X	May 22nd, 2009 07:00:16 AM
"oh no, he liked something i didn't so that means anything he likes will be bad". beautiful. :P
You used the word "meh" by darthsynn	May 22nd, 2009 07:03:08 AM
I will never read another one of your reviews.
Is it me or does this 'review'... by Cap'n Jack	May 22nd, 2009 07:16:55 AM
...contain no information that couldn't be learned from press materials and the trailer. I call bullshit.
Special Effects are NOT about MONEY by A G	May 22nd, 2009 07:19:46 AM
They're about TIME.
Thomas Pynchon's V by Pig_Ignorant	May 22nd, 2009 07:20:13 AM
Now that's a novel I'd like to see them try to adapt for primetime.
I thought caring about special effects was beneath most genre fa by Smashing	May 22nd, 2009 07:21:02 AM
They go for plot remember, if the CG looks a little cheap they don't care as there enthusiasts of the craft and art right? that is what I hear a lot so how come its always accompanied by a lot of bemoaning about how CG looks? its not real you know and is there to compliment a story not make it.
B is for Boobs by thisjediislost	May 22nd, 2009 07:38:41 AM
as in Elizabeth Mitchell's big beautiful ones. More looks of those can't be half bad.
muffin_buffalo: I saw Tudyk in the trailer by chrth	May 22nd, 2009 07:38:47 AM

This idiot loses all credibility within the first sentence. by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon	May 22nd, 2009 07:43:44 AM
That is all.
Not a plant by chrth	May 22nd, 2009 07:48:50 AM
No point in planting now. They'll start blooming in December.
Yeah, Fuck This Guy by RichardAlpert_TimePimp	May 22nd, 2009 08:05:09 AM
I'm still gonna watch this, and I believe it will be pretty good, but it has nothing to do with this shmuck. The kid spraypaints a V and its automatically from V for Vendetta. I haven't even seen the original and I know that its an homage to the first series. I hate morons.
"V" for Vendetta......god you suck. by Holeman	May 22nd, 2009 08:08:52 AM
The fucking "V" comes from WW2. Do schools not fucking teach history anymore? "V For Victory"? I mean they had a fucking Jew spray-painting the fucking propaganda poster in the original series for a reason.
by LukaBrasi by drunkenmonkey73	May 22nd, 2009 08:24:29 AM
Yer, thats what I thought it was. I loved this series, the whole family would sit around the TV to watch it.
funny how young this reviewer is to think that drawing V... by Russman	May 22nd, 2009 08:39:30 AM
is from the movie V for Vendetta. Glad to see some others correct him.
Holeman... by Russman	May 22nd, 2009 08:41:14 AM
dude, calm down. Yes, the schools suck. Don't bash the guy just because no one told him.
In the original, you knew the aliens were evil by V'Shael	May 22nd, 2009 08:52:31 AM
pretty quickly. You didn't find out what their intentions were for a while though. Hard to believe they covered so much ground in those little mini-series. For those who remember it as a 5 part mini-series, that's how it was broadcast in the UK and Europe. In America, it was broadcast as a 2 part mini series, followed later by a 3 part mini series called "The Final Battle".
Herc: Where's your meaningless out-of-context quote by SkinJob69	May 22nd, 2009 08:58:57 AM
on this one?
Part of the ad campaign... by Kid Z	May 22nd, 2009 09:04:55 AM
... for the original in NYC was brilliant. Subway posters were put up of the "The Visitors Are Your Friends" posters from the miniseries without explanation. A buzz started. "WTF are these posters for?" Next week, all those posters had giant V's spray painted on them as if someone went all over the NYC subway system and hit them all with a shot of red spray paint. "Huh? What's this, then?" The following week, just a block of text was slapped on promoting the premiere of the show. Very smart campaign that I still remember after all these years.
I stopped reading when you said by Yoda's Ball Sack	May 22nd, 2009 09:07:21 AM
you never saw the original. You are either to young or were to poor to have owned a t.v. And as other talkbackers pointed out the V has nothing to do with V for Vendetta........
. . . and you think this reconceputalization . . . by kabong	May 22nd, 2009 09:13:25 AM
good? It'll be good if Scott Wolf's character gets killed after the first twenty minutes. Stop the boring stupidity and cut to the action.
Not going to bash a guy for liking Crystal Skull by shutupfanboy	May 22nd, 2009 09:35:44 AM
I still like it better then Temple. I will bash you for not seeing the first one. Its not hard to find on DVD, hell its a tax right off for you. Nothing about the new one has made we want to see this, the exact opposite has happened. Hell, I even love the Final Battle and pissed they never did the alien's home world mini-series that got axed midway through. V can be a great franchise if done correctly, so far I haven't see one thing that looks right about this thing and this review keys it in for me.
Chad Decker will be a strong TV Character? by DougMcKenzie	May 22nd, 2009 09:36:40 AM
Only if they replace Scott Wolf after the pilot. Dude is one shitty ass wooden actor. It's who you get when you can't get Mark Wahlberg.
Holeman by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 09:46:54 AM
Thank you, seriously. I am sometimes amazed at people's lack of knowledge of VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL FACTS! V for Victory predates either V:Vendetta or Visitors.
Father jack? by Turtle_Z	May 22nd, 2009 09:49:12 AM
Does that mean we can look forward to the immortal line "Feck off, Ship!"
Too Much for a Pilot? by GrossMan	May 22nd, 2009 09:53:56 AM
One concern I have about the pilot is the fact that SO much happens in one hour. They arrive, they say they're our friends, we find out they're not and a resistance starts to form. That's A LOT of ground for one episode.
I'll just watch Doctor Who by performingmonkey	May 22nd, 2009 10:07:55 AM
We don't need this new V series. I don't think...would like to be proved wrong.
V is for Vasectomy by RKDN	May 22nd, 2009 10:13:28 AM
and that guy's father probably should have gotten one.
This should have a 4 year arc by Darth Busey	May 22nd, 2009 10:22:12 AM
Year 1: Visitors arrive, help mankind, season ends with main character finding out Visitors have ulterior motives, main character gets captured in cliffhanger (Twilight Zone "To Serve Mankind" similar ending) Season 2: Main character escapes, V's pretty much take over the planet's governments, main guy helps to form resistance. Season 3: Resistance tries to convince world that Visitors are evil (season finale is basically John Carpenter's They Live) Season 4: season long battle between Visitors and world-wide resistance (whoever's left after Visitors begin exterminating the population). End series.
the new transported man by rfid	May 22nd, 2009 10:29:49 AM
Nope. The miniseries was only two episodes, and it became very clear, before the end of the miniseries, that the visitors were evil.
When the writing is good and taut by V'Shael	May 22nd, 2009 10:29:50 AM
you don't need 4 years to do that story. It's one of the most impressive things about the original. How strong the writing was. How they managed to flesh out such a large ensemble cast, and show a variety of points of view. There are very few writers working in television today who could pull that off. So yeah, they might need 4 seasons to tell that story.
You lost us all on the first line. by BigTuna	May 22nd, 2009 10:37:28 AM
Why bring that up at the start of your review?
Even better one-season story arc by ChittyChittyGangBang	May 22nd, 2009 10:46:36 AM
There should be an entire season arc of Mitchell and that hot female alien leader having a naked tickle fight. Fingers start slowing down and finding "special places" and alien toungue flicks and flicks (thus the big reveal of the aliens being lizards. The season-ending climax would be just that. A mind-blowing season-ending climax that has both their backs raised in orgasmic spasms.
Ever notice when Plants review a remake.... by spire_walk	May 22nd, 2009 10:55:03 AM
They always begin with, "I never saw the original, but..." How does this work exactly? This guy goes into V knowing nothing about it, then writes a review about it and posts it on a genre site full of people who HAVE seen the original? Who in the hell actually does that? "I'm a casual movie goer... and I have lived my whole life watching remakes, but I'm going to write a review for all of the hardcore fans of the original."
Oh and.... by spire_walk	May 22nd, 2009 11:00:46 AM
Who the fuck on this site cares whether or not the medium you viewed was pirated or not?
When you start seeing greenskins eating rats by jihadURgawd	May 22nd, 2009 11:01:59 AM
then you know the V-bags are here to kill you not be best pals and finger bang. And to the reviewer. Watch the God Damn Original. Your clueless assumptions have forced me to be violent. Now my kid is crying and it is your fault. V for Verjiner.
He's a "plant" just because he gave Indy 4 a high rating? by Sithdan	May 22nd, 2009 11:07:29 AM
People whose opinion differs from the bandwagon riders are suddenly labeled as plants? The real critics gave Indy 4 positive reviews (see Rotten Tomatoes), and that film was one of the most memorable parts of the 2008 summer blockbuster season. That said, the reviewer totally fucked up when he referred to the Visitors as "Vs." The "V" in V stands for "victory," not "visitors."
The applause was total horseshit. by thedarklinglord	May 22nd, 2009 11:21:01 AM
Seriously. Fuck's sake, how often do people even clap at the movies? Almost never, from my theater-going experiences. So I have a really hard time believe people on the streets, looking up at some alien bitch spewing political crap, are really going to applaud and cheer. Then again...Americans are mostly dumbasses, and I've never understood how they could get so many people to clap at campaign rallies and debates where the candidates are basically just shoveling socio-political manure, spewing rhetoric designed to sound meaningful and significant when, in truth, they're just empty promises. So...yeah, maybe New Yorkers clapping at another steaming load from shiny, smiling bullshit artist is pretty spot on. And when the Visitors start teabaggin' the planet and eating people, fuck 'em. They're getting exactly what they deserve for being so fucking gullible. This rant was brought to you by the letter V.
Ryan the Betraying V by D.Vader	May 22nd, 2009 11:23:19 AM
I'm too young to have seen the original series, but was this type of character on there? I like the idea. I always love the idea of a character being a rebel or one seeking redemption by turning on his bosses and brothers after seeing how evil their plan is. I dig it.* * for instance, Christopher Walken's character Cutter in "Antz".
D.Vader by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 11:28:42 AM
The original series had Visitors who helped the humans because they didn't like the raping of the planet and there were humans who were selling each other out to the visitors.
Yep Vader is was Robert Englund by ChittyChittyGangBang	May 22nd, 2009 11:30:50 AM
He was the one who really helped out the humans. He also helped deliver the famous babies.
I could see something long term by drewlicious	May 22nd, 2009 11:48:46 AM
You just have to be willing to make this a war. At the end of the first season either the V's intentions must be made clear or there must be casualties. What if it ended on V ship getting blown up? The whole second season could be about retalliation. That's what I loved about BSG, there was always forward momentum. Nothing ever stayed the same.
"They aren’t bad characters in the slightest" by SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform	May 22nd, 2009 11:52:35 AM
Wow, that is some deep, meaningful criticism.
It was Robert Englund? Fuck yeah! by D.Vader	May 22nd, 2009 11:58:02 AM
I've seen that clip where he helps deliver the lizard baby (which long ago I realized was what The Simpsons was spoofing when Maggie grew her tentacle-legs in a Treehouse of Horror episode). Never knew he was one of them. Excellent. I need to get this series on DVD. I worked with Richard Herd back in 2005. Wish I knew about V back then, I would have chatted him up.
spaceship over nyc by alice 13	May 22nd, 2009 12:01:52 PM
move it the fuck outta the way yer blockin the fuckin light.
I loved the original V by ChittyChittyGangBang	May 22nd, 2009 12:02:59 PM
It even had a scene where a fully exposed lizard spat some sort of acid on someone's face. I guess that is the lizard mini-series version of "the money shot" Sort of like a dog movie money-shot when they show the dog shaking dry in slow motion.
I guess you are seeing the Jon and Kate drama Vader by ChittyChittyGangBang	May 22nd, 2009 12:04:25 PM
Wasn't you that had to work with Kate on that series? Isn't she really a lizard underneath as well?
Yes and yes by D.Vader	May 22nd, 2009 12:12:25 PM
Kate is a vile, evil, lizard-skinned bitch underneath that horrible exterior. And I fully believe every single story that comes out about them. Ever since the first day I worked on that show and Jon continually came up to me and said as an aside, any time Kate went nuts, "Don't get married, don't have kids."
Beastmaster isn't in this one? Fuck that shit, homey! by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2009 12:13:07 PM
Another thought- John Carpenter could have done a sick film version of this story back in the day. Kurt Russell fighting alien lizard assholes.
PARTY DOWN TALKBACK? by PennsyDeux	May 22nd, 2009 12:17:22 PM
Please?
Lizard invasion already started by ChittyChittyGangBang	May 22nd, 2009 12:21:13 PM
Don't buy Geico insurance! You think that lizard is on our side? Fuck no! That accent doesn't fool me either. Elitest prick lizard has tiny loophole in each insurance contract that basically gives it our soul. I'm surprised you don't have to sign Geico conttracts in your own blood.
I skipped the review based on the Indy comment by Flip63Hole	May 22nd, 2009 12:39:27 PM
Never mention the Crystal Skull at the beginning of a review if you want people to read it...
best part by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 01:06:19 PM
I think the best part of the original series, actually the final battle series, was when Michael Ironside poured that bag of red dust on that one lizards face. I believe he utters the line " say goodnight hot shot". Please talkbackers correct me if I'm wrong about the quote, which I probably am considering it was soooo long ago.
ok by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 01:07:24 PM
maybe it wasn't the best part, but I enjoyed it...sorry i'm still drunk....or is that drunk again.
What was that dust? Red Vader? by ChittyChittyGangBang	May 22nd, 2009 01:09:53 PM

Ironside had lots of great lines. by V'Shael	May 22nd, 2009 01:11:51 PM
Like when he blows up a bunch of Visitor soldiers, and looks at the lizard-skin remains and says "What a waste of good luggage." Maybe not so funny now, but as a kid, I loved that shit.
red dust by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 01:12:51 PM
The red dust was the biological weapon they created from the dead lizard baby. It would kill visitors but not humans.
The dust was a chemical which killed the Visitors by V'Shael	May 22nd, 2009 01:13:55 PM
It was created (by accident) during the alien/human hybrid pregnancy. It killed the mostly alien twin, but the human/alien twin survived. They made up a bunch in the lab, tested it on humans (didn't kill them) and on lizards (it killed them) so they mass produced the stuff and polluted the biosphere to make Earth unusable for the Visitors.
V'shael by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 01:14:04 PM
that was a good line. Ironside has the best lines in almost everything, even the pieces of shit movies he does like highlander 2
tv by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 01:17:41 PM
When the ongoing tv series was introduced they said the dust was a bacteria therefore quickly dissipated in warmer climates like Los Angeles, convenient, so they could do the filming there....lol
Red Vader, bwahahah by D.Vader	May 22nd, 2009 01:32:59 PM
The deadliest of the Vaders. White Vader's just the batshit insane one.
Dumping red dust on guy's face by spire_walk	May 22nd, 2009 01:34:05 PM
That was the single best scene in the Final Battle -- watching the guy writhe in agony on top of the lizard nazi symbol.
Come on, Herc... by rfid	May 22nd, 2009 01:39:13 PM
...that was CLEARLY a plant. Screen those calls, dude.
Don Simpson was a big fan of the "white vader" by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2009 01:44:43 PM
RIP, Don.
Human Collaborator by spire_walk	May 22nd, 2009 01:45:23 PM
I like the human collaborator being framed for his lizard buddy's kidnapping.... and just when he thinks he's forgiven the lizard commander explains that his next assignment will be as an entree on a serving tray.... he then screams as he's carried away. There were some great moments in The Final Battle, but star baby and a couple of other silly things ruined it.
star baby by sokitome	May 22nd, 2009 01:50:56 PM
The book explained the ending better. I think it says the star baby was able to reprogram the computer to do an infinite countdown to destruction. Yeah still a little gay but not as much as the sparkles in the miniseries.
What would Real New Yorkers Do? by spire_walk	May 22nd, 2009 01:54:39 PM
"Would real New Yorkers break into joyous applause if a giant alien ship blocked out the sun over the Manhattan and announced to the city's denizens they come in peace? Or would real New Yorkers flip off the ship and scream at it to move?" If the recent Air Force 1 flyover fiasco is any indicator, real New Yorkers would be panicing in the streets. If Obama appeared on the alien screen, however, they'd probably cheer. "We've traveled from far far away, and we have come to redistribute the wealth and carry on all of the same policies as the previous admin -- including wire tapping." mass applause, women orgasming in the streets OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA!
do parakketes and mice get eaten? by holy____batman	May 22nd, 2009 01:58:20 PM
if so count me in, still remember thoughs seens
an FYI to reviewer by smackfu	May 22nd, 2009 02:34:31 PM
since you haven't seen the original. The whole point of that Independance Day joke is that ID4 directly ripped that scene from the original V miniseries. ID4 used an identical shot of the mothership coming in over the golden gate bridge that was in the original V.
also, if you watched this and didn't realize by smackfu	May 22nd, 2009 02:43:50 PM
that the people painting Vs on shit were the people AGAINST the visitors, you're dumb as a fucking post.
Final Battle by shutupfanboy	May 22nd, 2009 02:48:07 PM
I must be the only one that enjoyed Final Battle. It was a bit more Star Wars then Schindler's List the the first one. Yet, for a World War II alegory how else was it supposed to end?
I quit reading after the Indy 4 part. by fanboy71	May 22nd, 2009 02:56:34 PM
If this person gave that abortion a good review, then I can't trust a word they say. I am hopeful of the V pilot though.
The real NYer reaction, from a NYer: by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2009 03:03:07 PM
"WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?!?! HOLY FUCKING GOD! HEY, YOU IN THE MINISKIRT, LET'S FUCK BECAUSE IT'S ALL COMING TO AN END! HOWYADOIN'?"
I agree, a very clever plant.. by FracturedLojak	May 22nd, 2009 03:13:35 PM
Notice the multiple references to Lost? This is ABC's new sci-fi show, and with Lost ending next year, they need the viewers to stick with the network. The reviewer mentions it often enough to suggest that he/she wants us to associate it with Lost, subconsciously. Clever. Still won't want V though.
The "V" is V for Victory by AsimovLives	May 22nd, 2009 03:54:50 PM
The V of the title of the old series is not V for visitor, but V for Victory. It's taken from the norwegian resistant movement from WWII, where the V had the double meaning of being a taunt to the germans, but also a way to say the guerrilla and resistents only accepted one authority, that of the norwegian king Haakon VII. The king himself during the german occupation, he always rebelled and never made things easy for the occupants, many time openly defying the germans, who were at a loss at how to handle him.
V for Velvetta by Yeti	May 22nd, 2009 03:55:32 PM
Velvetta = cheese No actua;lly looking forward to this - just wanted to post that.
Ham Tyler by Mr Lucas	May 22nd, 2009 03:55:52 PM
Ironside was quality. I even enjoyed the series up until he left. Then there was the awful Charles and Diana (geddit?)crap that was like Dynasty in space (or at least floating in the sky) - ack! "Gooder!"
How did Indy 4 get tied in with this? by Sithdan	May 22nd, 2009 04:20:29 PM
These idiots look for any chance they get to take a shot at the great George Lucas. People just can't think for themselves by judging Indy 4 on its own merits. Instead, fans regurgitated criticisms spewed from the anti-Lucas bandwagon that formed way back in 1999. Bashing George Lucas is the hip thing to do on the Internet I guess, and people just want to fit in.
V for Vendetta?! by Raymar	May 22nd, 2009 04:33:24 PM
Kids these days. Kenneth Johnson must be rolling over in his grave.
I'd have KILLED to dump a huge load of Red Vader... by conspiracy	May 22nd, 2009 04:46:32 PM
all over Jane Badler back in the early 80's. Hell..I'd probably still dump a load on her.
Why are you people explaining V... by rfid	May 22nd, 2009 05:01:39 PM
...to an obvious studio plant? Don't be so easily fooled.
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Real New Yorkers... by quintana007	May 22nd, 2009 05:13:30 PM
wouldn't even waste a look in the sky
Saw the trailer at youtube by Lornsorrow	May 22nd, 2009 05:19:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ahjPQjQGdbU Cant say that I was too impressed. I was really into V when it first came out. I'm 38 now, so, whatever. My point is, the new version looks to me like kind of a step back, more sci-fi channel-ish, i.e., some updated special effects (which look too kinda poor in comparison to the original) and the actors dont look or sound near as strong as the actors who were in the original miniseries. I'm all for the FireFly girl (Morena Baccarin) but gone is her beautiful hair for a pretty bad looking cropped cut. And I suspect that it is a lot more message oriented, like they have some sort of agenda. That's just my suspicion, time will tell. I would have loved to support a return of V. But this? After waiting all this time, its THIS? I'll pass at this point.
ok, here is the youtube tiny URL for V trailer. by Lornsorrow	May 22nd, 2009 05:22:19 PM
http://tiny.cc/XhqxJ
Ham Tyler by Darth Busey	May 22nd, 2009 07:11:56 PM
Yes, Ham Tyler was awesome. He had his fat buddy with the beard (I think his name was Chris), and they were very bad ass and enjoyed killing the aliens. Also, I forget the dude's name, but the guy who played the Visitor sycophant/Hitler youth who impregnated Robin was an incredible asshole who made me angry everytime I saw him on screen. What a sniveling, bootlicking douche!
Darth Busy by spire_walk	May 22nd, 2009 07:42:58 PM
I think you may be confusing the human collaborator douchebag with his buddy, the lizard guy who knocked up Robin.
Coming this fall... SUPERTRAIN REMAKE! by spire_walk	May 22nd, 2009 09:00:02 PM

hey i have a great idea by hulkbuster	May 22nd, 2009 11:33:12 PM
why dont we all just act like children and insult anyone we disagree with. Thats a great idea now we can be assholes on the internet anonymously and face no repercussions for how we bahave. How else cpuld we possible try to feel superior to others due to the fact that this website is the only way we can feel powerful given our feeble worthless existance
I am JUST! Yeah? Just what? JUST!!! by lockesbrokenleg	May 23rd, 2009 12:00:57 AM

How you know he's a plant.... by The_Goddamn_Batman	May 23rd, 2009 12:39:28 AM
He doesn't mention the Visitors' secret. Doesn't even hint at it! You think a kid who'd never seen the original series, never even knew what the fucking V logo meant, wouldn't be mind-blown by the revelation that the Visitors were lizards? "Go tell those Ain't It Cool idiots V is good, but don't go spoiling our fucking surprise."
Lizards... by The_Goddamn_Batman	May 23rd, 2009 12:49:23 AM
That said, after the trailer blatantly revealed it, I started thinking, maybe the lizard reveal was, in fact, a dream of one of the main characters (and a nod to the original), and, in fact, the new series had a new, more original, mind-melting surprise. Kind of like how BSG turned expectations on their head. But then I read about that predictable Independence Day post-ironic reference and knew this was going to be the new Knight Rider.
Okay thanks chrth by muffin_buffalo	May 23rd, 2009 01:42:20 AM
Maybe I thought I watched the trailer but I actually didn't?
The Resistance just needs to move to colder by Dingbatty	May 23rd, 2009 02:10:31 AM
climes.
oh shit was mitchell the paedo by TheExterminator	May 23rd, 2009 06:26:00 AM
in running scared...if she was great in that. i wouldnt to jump in the film and shoot her in the face
PLANTY VS. TASTELESS by Mullah Omar	May 23rd, 2009 08:12:52 AM
I am torn between whether to think this guy is a plant or whether his taste is simply shit. On the one hand, yes, despite his claims to know nothing about this property, he was not astonished to see the identity twist that frames the series. On the other hand, he admits to liking INDY 4. Either way, I do not feel like I can trust this reviewer and I will wait to see what other people say about the new V.
Titbag... by OscarsBoss	May 23rd, 2009 08:24:49 AM
Glad to see you live up to your name.
Goddamn Batman, I'm sure they don't reveal they're lizards... by D.Vader	May 23rd, 2009 10:59:06 AM
In the first frickin' episode!!!
D.Vader by V'Shael	May 23rd, 2009 11:16:35 AM
They did in the original. We don't know how long this thing is going to be, but I think they'll do the reveal in the first episode.
The original was a mini-series, though, right? by D.Vader	May 23rd, 2009 11:26:40 AM
I got the impression this was supposed to be a planned 100 episode series?
I know its only TV, by Yamato	May 23rd, 2009 12:47:04 PM
but the concept of coming to earth for water makes me laugh. Why not just mine the ort cloud, more water their then on all of earth.
D.Vader by V'Shael	May 23rd, 2009 01:05:38 PM
Aye, the original two miniseries came to 10 hours in length. But come on. This is on ABC (Always Being Canceled). They'll be lucky to get 10 hours out of the remake.
It'll be hard to top Jane Badler .... by Itchy	May 23rd, 2009 02:02:21 PM
I'm pretty sure she was the first chick I jerked off to back in the day. Good times !
So this guy liked KOTCS and AICN posts his "positive" review of by Glory_Fades_ImMaxFischer	May 23rd, 2009 05:05:18 PM
So I know not to waste my time on V..thanks
Vistor's "Secret" more than just lizards by chillichopper	May 23rd, 2009 05:28:01 PM
What about the mention in the upfront and the trailer by the Resistance leader that the visitors had "not just arrived, but have been here among us", etc... interesting twist on the original. Like we need saboteurs to f%^$ up the world so we'd be open to Vs coming in and "saving" us...
Crystal Skull...fucking...ruled by IndyCollector	May 23rd, 2009 06:33:51 PM
Better than Last Crusade. Now what, mother fuckers? Now WHAT?!!!
As I recall... by Oldnewbie	May 23rd, 2009 08:12:10 PM
The original "V" started out promising, but then soon turned to crap. I expect the same from this.
Lizards in the trailer... by The_Goddamn_Batman	May 24th, 2009 01:11:59 AM
Why wouldn't they reveal that the Visitors are lizards in the first episode? They show it in the trailer. And don't you think every single magazine and website is going to mention it (as a reference to the old series) in their previews? So, either they reveal it in the first episode, or there's more to it than that. Either way, this reviewer makes no reference to it in his review. Which is exactly what a plant would do. Weirdly though, I think he's just an ordinary moron.
The Visitors' real secret! by The_Goddamn_Batman	May 24th, 2009 01:15:13 AM
They're going to peel back their faces to reveal that they are, in fact... plants. They've been amongst us all the time. Just look for the ones that like Crystal Skull.
Yamato... by The_Goddamn_Batman	May 24th, 2009 01:17:41 AM
By the way, they're not just coming to Earth for water - they're harvesting humans for cattle too. Mike Donovan found that out. He's a real reporter.
A planned 100 episode series? by The_Goddamn_Batman	May 24th, 2009 01:27:52 AM
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haa! ABC exec: "And how long to you see this series going for?" Writer: "100 episodes. I've gotta it all planned."
I bet in this one we're related to the aliens by lockesbrokenleg	May 24th, 2009 01:52:25 AM
That's why they look like us. We'll find out we're from the same God, or whatever.
by V'Shael	May 24th, 2009 02:59:24 AM

It's a cookbook by TheShrike	May 24th, 2009 07:44:00 AM

the original miniseries featured the first CGI on TV by Maniaq	May 24th, 2009 08:23:14 AM
I remember it even made the news! there was some scene where a Visitor shuttle makes a landing on a mothership and some Visitors get out - it was practically a shot-for-shot exact copy of a very similar scene in Return of the Jedi, which came out around the same time - the memory's a little vague here but I think it was a digital matte, composited with some live action? real basic stuff by today's standards but hey, back then this show was BREAKING GROUND - now they're using up any old FX shots Stargate has lying around, it seems... having said that, I really don't care about the quality of the effects - nothing I've EVER seen on TV has been "spoiled" by dodgy looking effects shots - hell, you'd never get through an episode of Dr Who if you started worrying about that sort of thing!! I do have an awful feeling we're in for some serious Knight Rider deja-vu here
(I mean about the writing that is) by Maniaq	May 24th, 2009 08:24:55 AM
with the Knight Rider thing... THEY LIVE! WE SLEEP!
I'll Just Be Happy to be Masturbating Again by Akira Cowabunga	May 24th, 2009 05:40:18 PM
to images of Morena Baccarin. It's about time that hot young thing was back on a regular series. I'm hard just thinking about it.
The Lost chick looks totally out of place... by I Hope You Die	May 24th, 2009 06:36:18 PM
There's all these beautiful people and then you've got this tired looking, prematurely haggard single mom running about.
4 year arc for them to bumble and stumble by kabong	May 24th, 2009 09:42:12 PM
They'll drop characters, have characters incoherent because six writers have six takes, wrong scripts being shot and re-edited by a drunk cousin of the director, fans yapping that it's all profound, new show-runner brought in to klutz it up some more, cancelled, renewed but revamped with a new cast and writers who nothing about what has happened so far, more drunk editing . . .
Akira Cowabunga by rfid	May 24th, 2009 11:42:13 PM
You wrote: "I'm hard just thinking about it." You're a disgusting, immature ass. Grow up.
The Aliens are Americans. The Americans are Iraqis by zapano	May 25th, 2009 07:22:00 AM
I remember liking the "idea" of watching "V" but when I was watching it I found it very boring.
loved crystal skull by darthwaz1	May 25th, 2009 08:29:43 AM
just watched the bluray again yesterday, fun comic-adventure just like the others. I can't stand fuckers who love to hate (unless something honestly sucks, like T4)
Crystal Skulls was dog shit by fanboy71	May 25th, 2009 03:54:40 PM
Dog shit that had been eaten again by said dog, regurgitated and then eaten by a cat, which was in turn regurgitated and shared by Lucas and Spielberg, which caused them to have some horrible gas, which in turn caused hallucinations, which made them think they were making a good movie. Harrison Ford, on the other hand, has no excuse.
It's Always Funny When There's a Spoiler Warning on a Review for by swivile bobble fizz fizz	May 25th, 2009 03:55:32 PM
People have seen it before, why bother?
wait...lol you said what about indy4? by funnyhat	May 25th, 2009 04:49:01 PM
Herc... how in the fuck did you read that line and think "Gee, AICN talkbackers wont trash this based on that line alone..." I stopped reading from there on out.
Not to be nitpicky by darebear	May 25th, 2009 05:36:59 PM
but there's no way an alien race with the technology to get here would ever need to talk to us to get resources like water and minerals. They could get that stuff from a billion different sources throughout the universe without ever having to deal with alien people. They wouldn't even need us as food or slaves. They would never give us technology, for fear that we would turn into them and become a bigger threat to them than they are to us. They would probably either exterminate us so fast we would never know what hit us, or they would stay way away from us and see what happens later. The only way I could see them coming here and making nice with us is if they themselves were being hunted as rebels or outlaws, and their purpose was to turn us into a galactic menace.
darebear by Goody2shoes	May 25th, 2009 06:50:07 PM
Your arguments make sense, but a) this was supposed to be allegory for Nazi Germany and b) there was an unseen enemy that the Visitors had. As Marcus said, some humans would be "recruited" as shocktroopers in an ongoing war they were in with said enemy, apparently someone who's defeated them before. They never mentioned it again in Final Battle, but whatever. And, proving that I've watched this thing way too many times, Marcus also said that unlike other planets in the galaxy, Earth has an abundance of water, so they must've looked around first. You are correct; with superior weapons and technology they could've taken what they needed from the outset, but a war with us would've killed scores of people, depriving them of food and cannon fodder.
The original V rocked... by darthwaz1	May 25th, 2009 07:14:04 PM
AND SO DOES THE CRYSTAL FUCKING SKULL YOU FUCKING HATERS
The Mini-Series. by radio1_mike	May 25th, 2009 07:46:48 PM
I was in HS when these came out. I enjoyed them both. The TV series was just suck. I did want to like, but meh...
Alien Nation by tensticks	May 25th, 2009 08:31:45 PM
That's what we need a reboot of. And more Babylon 5. And Twin Peaks. And Buffy.
thank you titbag by hulkbuster	May 25th, 2009 09:31:13 PM
your eloquence has proved my point
RFID by Akira Cowabunga	May 26th, 2009 12:49:18 AM
Your scorn makes me hard. I need to masturbate now.
Goody2shoes by darebear	May 26th, 2009 01:05:12 PM
I understand the storytellers were building an allegory, and to do that they could only take logic up to a certain point and no further, and that's perfectly fine, but I think it would be cool to set up a scenario that stood up to a few more seconds of thought. Firstly, water isn't a good enough reason to come to earth. We think we have a lot, but we don't have that much. Jupiter has way more water than we've ever seen, and the universe is packed with planets just like it. Plus there's water ice everywhere just floating around in space, all they have to do is scoop it up. And if all else failed, they could just oxidize some hydrogen and make their own. (That's why I stopped watching Battlestar Galactica after they blew out their water tanks and thought it was more than a minor inconvenience. Where did the water go? It's still right there in a cloud, just scoop it up.) Using us as cannon fodder isn't a good plan either. We would be pretty likely to turn on our invaders, so we can't be trusted. They would be better off using drones, and they don't need us for that. Alien Nation set up a better scenario for contact, by making it an accidental landing by escaped slaves (as long as you can figure out why a highly technological society like that would need slaves). Too bad all they did with that scenario was to use it as the backdrop for a buddy cop story. Oh well. [break] The best plan any alien invader could hope for would be to turn us into a galactic menace as an act of terrorism. They might as well forget about controlling us from the outset. All they could do is wind us up and get the hell out of the way, like lighting a bomb.
Kenneth Johnson is still alive, but not happy. by apollo80	May 26th, 2009 03:16:44 PM
Raymar said: "Kids these days. Kenneth Johnson must be rolling over in his grave." He's still alive. But according to his web page, he has nothing to do, or is exactly exctied about, the new path of "V". He wrote a novel that kind of concluded the Visitor's story (and perhaps opened up a new story). It was both a good and bad book. Good basic concept, but with Galactica 1980 style flying witch brooms, that's where he lost me.
I'm Looking Forward to This by MysteroidSeijin	May 26th, 2009 05:34:45 PM
I think this could be enjoyable. The trailer was certainly interesting. As with anything, I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it. In the interim I'll be reading V The Second Generation.
Yeah by Cobbio	May 27th, 2009 06:05:00 PM
I hope this new "V" will be really good science fiction utilizing way-above-average production values. Morena Baccarin, aside from looking hot, looks convincing as the alien leader. What I'm really surprised by is the fact "V" deals with religion. To me, this is absolutely the first thing that'd be challenged by the appearance of aliens. Assuming you believe in God or Allah or another all-powerful deity (I don't), your belief that God created humans in His image would be proven false. Because, you know, he created saucer-flying lizards from some distant extra-solar planet too. Which would beg the question: what else were we 100% wrong about? I'm glad the new "V" is tackling this issue. Aside from Baccarin, it's the reason I'll tune in. Hope it's good.
v suck neo con abc jew balls! by scramerican	Nov 8th, 2009 08:00:05 PM
First of all, this show was Reagan 1980 commies threat propaganda show. as in commies red uniforms ( you need to watch the original) But now. . its Liberals Turn! Just like the Commies of the past! A yound sexy leader! A bit of anti- Obama blue uniform demoricates. a mindless teens who believe in beautiful leader outside his race. WOW! get that! a show will that everyone will watch that makes all demoricates evil! This week it's Universal Health Care! I wonder whats next week? Yes the NEO CON at ABC want to use this propaganda to tell you that propaganda is bad!! what? YES! its a show that tell you jumping on band wagon is bad especially if you wear a uniform like they do in the army!or turn against your kind! or trust people if they are beautiful and kind! contrary to what ABC trys to sell you during the commercial. what is its with the neo con jew at abc? they didn't care about the propaganda of comformity when bush was in the white house. but now?

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