Talkback is going to be intense on this one, too. I expect that we'll hear much woe and wailing from the Balebackers...

No Harry. He's not 'just a man'. He is Bale. And when he screams in your face it is like the light of a thousand suns. Praise him.

No wonder this movie eats beetle shit.

For some the idea of a character that screams his dialogue is scary. For me it is sacred.

I will cherish every scream as if our Lord were yelling in mine own face.

I fucking hated that animal cracker scene in "Armageddon."

TS has obviously been set-up as a trilogy - any comment on the potential for the next two films?

Yes the story was retarded, but it did manage to include

Roger Ebert slams T4 http://rogerebert.suntimes.com / --- 2 stars -- "I know with a certainty approaching dread that all of my questions will be explained to me in long detailed messages from "Terminator" experts. They also will charge me with not seeing the movie before I reviewed it. Believe me, I would have enjoyed traveling forward through time for two hours, starting just before I saw the movie. But in regard to the answers to my questions: You know what? I don't care."

Toronto Star slams T4 http://www.thestar.com/enterta inment - one and a half stars - "Terminator Salvation: It’s back, and it’s bad"

Globe and Mail slams T4 http://www.theglobeandmail.com /arts/ - two stars - "What its predecessors had, this sequel sorely lacks"

USA Today slams T4 http://www.usatoday.com/life/m ovies/reviews/2009-05-19-termi nator-salvation_N.htm -- "Bale is surprisingly one-dimensional as John Connor, the leader of the human Resistance movement whose destiny is linked to the future of mankind in this doomsday action franchise. He seems to be simply recycling his gravelly Dark Knight growl."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/19/ DD7V17N5G0.DTL - "McG is a director with an above-average eye and an original instinct for camera placement. To his credit, he's not one of those lazy types who think they can generate excitement in an action sequence by shaking the camera or kicking it. But he has a major weakness as a filmmaker, and that weakness is all over "Terminator Salvation": His grand, elaborate visual sense is completely detached from his brain"..."Whoever thought in 2003 that we'd look back on "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines" as the good old days?"

Yesterday was a classic case in point where he had a problem with Pixars A BUG'S LIFE because, and I quote verbatim;

"the ants were not al ant colors"

Hopefully TS will be a similar story and at least a few of us may enjoy it.

Why only post the negative ones? What's your agenda?

Its common knowledge that John Connor was never a real part of the early scripts and that McG planned to have him become a terminator and kill everyone includng Kyle Reese.

Why? How does that serve the characters or reflect the story laid down in the first 3 films? It doesn't. It's just "kewl". Dammit McG, you're so fucking amateur. Like a damn 12 year old.

I'm also guessing this is not as bad as Harry says...but then again my hopes weren't nearly as high as his because 'no Cameron= no interest' in my book. T2 was the end of the line for me. I didn't have my head in the clouds over this one and would never plunk down the bread to see it.

And why does Bale 'blowing a gasket' give so many here such a hard on?

My apologies in advance if you happen to be a 14 year old girl which would render my question moot...But what's Harry's excuse???

Give them a Geordie, Brummie, Scouse or Cornish accent and they need subtitiles.

If it wasn't for Billy Connolly, they'd have no idea what you chaps were on about either...

He doesn't mind people calling him "Welsh Actor Christian Bale", because he thinks it "sounds poetic".

Really? So just because he watches a ton of shit- and enjoys it, we should give him a pass on that because, he has watched a ton of shit and enjoyed it?

Yeah, better go rethink that one hoss.

If it looks good & has good action it'll do. Because then it'll be no worse than T2, the most overrated film in the history of wanker directors.

It's depressing how they've fucked up this opportunity. This was the moment when Terminator fans were finally going to see the future play out.

They spent millions of dollars, yet they couldn't get a competent director who could get hold of an engaging story with cool characters. Typical

Fuck.

I also wonder if this is better or worse than Sarah Connor Chronicles (cause that was a LOT better than I expected)...

YOU DON'T HAVE TO TYPE LIKE THIS.

Where I'm from, you can go 5 miles & hear a completely different accent. 30 miles, I wouldn't even understand the locals.

...personally, I blame Til Schweiger. Anything he's in ends up being total crap. Check out IMDB and you'll see I'm right.

Having said that, I've spent a fair amount of time over there, & while you're right about your states (in some cases) being bigger, you don't have quite so many accents & most importantly, dialects as we do.

The problem is, in films etc, they're tidied up & homogenised/de-regionalised. But I understand that, which is why I don't capitalise my posts, because I don't really care.

Frankly, it doesn't matter which of those types of British accents are used, they're still British, because they're from the British Isles, therefore I don't see the harm in calling it a British accent.Scotsman75 does, because he's Scottish & they get pissed off when English & British are referred to as the same thing.

The Terminator was a low-budget, story-driven gem and to try to replicate it would have been folly. Hence T2 with the huge action and goofy humor (and I'm a fan). But I wish he'd had the budget (or courage?) to make a proper future war film. Because one has not been made yet.

Aren't you EVER embarrassed?

And who is Yoko? How could anyone put up with getting off of work and getting calls from their husband to come get picked up like a little kid?

Gross out.

some shithead producer does NOT know who their audience is and NOBODY rates christian bale seriously. it's so obvious. he always pulls that corny yankee accent that even us Brits can tell doesn't sound right. It's like he has ten extra teeth in his mouth crowding the back of his tongue. He sounds stupid and resultantly can't help but pull that spoilt brat "i don't think so" face when he delivers EVERY SINGLE LINE.

ah, god bless you AICN for giving me this ventile. god bless you talkbackers for reading it. God bless you trolls, too, for whatever you have to say about it.

which i will never read.

"oh, Hollywood is it? well you'll be wanting some nice clean toothy-pegs. In fact, we'd better throw a couple in at the back just to be sure, like. Very high standards they have over there i tell you. You can't have too many of these in your gob."

That said--I'll go see this(matinee!) because-the promos DO look alright, because I remember Harold spooging all over Van Helsinki and Jurassic_Kong, and we ALL know what quality flicks THOSE were--and finally, I think Mssrs Bale, Worthington and co. deserve a fair viewing.

I would guess this movie's on a par w/ X3 or if you like, last year's Red Sox. No they didn't win the pennant, but they DID make it into game 7 of the ALCS, and that ain't bad.

McG is NOT great, but c'mon, this doesn't seem THAT bad.

Plus it has Giant Robots! I'm there.

He recently let slip that he's tied to a 3rd Batman, even if Nolan doesn't come back. If this is the same, I expect some actual light trashing sooner or later.

Thing is, we can tell that you had a vested interest here - not in a 'i want my kickbacks' kind of way, but in a 'i want my awesome Terminator movie' kind of way. Thats a vested interest we ALL share here, and I feel bad that you didn't get the film you wanted. Bear in mind, that you see A LOT of films - that you are a fan of the movie PROCESS more so than simply a guy who likes going to the movies. We HAVE to take your reviews with a grain of salt because you've seen so many amazing movies, that when one comes along that is 'fairly good', it doesn't really reach your level of expectations. For the typical movie fan and Terminator fan, there's a chance this film will still be enjoyable. Its like wines - if your palate isn't really all that refined, you're probably perfectly happy with any given bottle of wine.

I predict this movie will do well with the average movie-goer, but wont get many solid reviews. All the same, I think people knocking this review were prepared to do that no matter WHAT you said.

All praise the exalted One. His glory be upon us.

You'd think being British and all, he'd pull the director aside and say, "OY PARDUN ME GUVNAH BUT ERE AINT NAW SUCH THANG ASSA BRI-ISH AXINT AN WHOT."

Fuck this shit. You wanna talk accents? Okay pallie I grew up in MAINE, okay? Coast of Maine esp east of Rockland has most of the natives biting off their 'R's and aping Tim Sample routines. Interior from there it's about the same but they sharpen their crayolas more. SW of there along the coast they sound like NE Massholechussets. Up from Aroostook County where I grew up--we sound like we're from the Midwest, because of fucking New Brunswick across the line. Unless you're Quebecoise French then your accent sounds like Pepe De la Pew's toothless cousin in the shoe factory. Mix that shit allll together and you get Bangor, Lewiston and Augusta. And out in New Hampshire, the accent starts getting closer to a psuedo-Great Lakes kinda thing, more nasal and less Bahstonish.

Okay? And Maine is only 33K square miles. I remember living in Texas-you had different twangs down there in Dallas vs Houston vs San Antonio, and it's not like it's that close, either.

BRITISH ACCENT: DAVID FUCKING NIVEN okay?? shit don't be so touchy.

You can't get bad teeth by being born in a particular country. Unless you're part of an undiscovered amazonian tribe or something.

On the other hand, maybe the mad scotsman does have bad teeth. Did you know that Scottish fish & chip shops sell deep fried mars bars? Seriously. They eat deep fried fucking mars bars! They also eat the fish, but they like to keep the chips on their shoulders.

Tell me how my ass tastes!

So, here are some quotes from his review of Phantom Menace, the Lord of all Franchise Killers:

"When I first read Jar Jar’s scenes I was terrified because.... well whenever Jar Jar did something, I imagined the solitary focus being upon Jar Jar. But.... Guess what? Mesa Luved Him!"

"By the way, I really dug Anakin [played by Jake Lloyd] too."

"I’m so utterly love smitten. I was afraid tonight. Instead, I saw a really wonderful adventure."

"And right now, I want to apoligize to the folks that hate this movie. I don’t. I genuinely loved it."

McG's terminator may very suck, but good ol' Harry's reviews have not one iota of credibility.

Will we ever see the lasers? This I must know.

@ hadders - Great Britain is the island that consists of England, Wales and Scotland so actually Northern Ireland is not part of Britain. Our country is after all The United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Oh wait! I know. McG didn't hold a "i will let you suck my cock because i know you swallow" special viewing experience like that fuckhead JJ.

A negative Harry review just makes this flick much more interesting.

And what the fuck is the deal with arguing over accents and which part of this or that continent is part of this or that country or union? Well, at least it's not as irrelevant as politics poking it's doughy white face into every TB.

And even though it's a feat akin to standing up and not falling over, I appear to be correct in my predictions about T:S, a meaningless action extravaganza better handled and less cheesy than schlock like Bay's work but really not much better...bereft of story or development (altho I predicted it would exchange needless complexity for story..wrong on that I guess..I figured McG would ape the Wachowskis..turns out he just aped the unborn love child of Rattner and Bay).

And tho I know tends to improve even shitty material, I must say I'm surprised at Harry's reaction to his performance.

Of course, I haven't seen it yet so cannot legitimately slam or praise the flique just yet...but I'm not surprised at the latest reveiws cropping up...

And I'm a little surprised at Harry's insolence regarding this movie. I think it speaks to the general anger coming from the "haters" since talk of this new 'franchise' began. This idea of growing up with something and, in turn, feeling loyal to the point of feeling like you own a piece of it. I'm not knocking this as I do it myself. I feel like I "grew up" with the first Terminator movie and even the second (yes, it has some faults) and I did think that bias colored my reaction to T3 and likely T:S.

Of course we don't 'own' these movies and the idea of being personally offended...for real..is a bit pretentious but I think the sentiment is there all the same. Logic or not.

The very first time I heard McG was helming I couldn't help rolling my eyes. I always spoke of hoping I was proven wrong and that it would be worthy of the first 2 flims...even if not as good as either. And Im not glad I was right...mainly because after this apparent craptaastic film makes a huge mint, McG will be given hundreds of millions for the sequel and will be given free creative reign. Hope you guys are ready for John Conner using the time machine to travel back to discuss strategy killing the Terminators with General Patton. Maybe he's go back in time and get a shitty modern computer virus that Skynet would be dismissive of (like the in SW where a single fighter wasn't considered a threat) that will bring down HBC (the face of Skynet).

I'll say this about what I'm reading...it sounds like, yet again, the one person given the power did not understand even a single thing about the original franchise/storylines (just like Zombie with Halloween).

Apologies for the novel/thx for readin...me toosense

But welcome to the era of the franchise sequels. I stood in line and was ready to hate T2.

I walked out of the theatre realizing Cameron's brilliance!

Sure Arnie's terminator was a "good guy" character now...but it was written into the story logically. And Cameron upped the ante with an even MORE lethal (albeit fantastic) threat.

Misplaced humor? Sure...but needed to displace tension in films like this. The father son aspect made perfect sense too and Arnie never broke character as the cold protector until the thumbs up at the end which I hated.

These are all fair critiques BUT Cameron's pacing of action and masterful, seamless use of effects cannot be denied. ILM film reel? Please...all of his action pieces (Aliens, True Lies, Titanic) are on par and usually better than ANYONE directing today. To deny this is sheer hating.

No, there is no such thing as an all encompassing British accent, rather there are variations, but the same can be said of Americans. As you said "they are all American accents" the same applies to Britain. An accent from the British Isles is by definition British.

You already made your point of there not being one specific British accent & the people you were talking to have accepted your point. There's no need to keep going on about it.

Then people would cry and T4 would be a cinematic masterpiece!

*crickets*

*a frog's croak*

Do you guys actually spend money at the theater based on what people like Harry or Ebert says? I get it for movies I'm not invested in story-wise but then are there many of those for you guys? I mean arguing about whether or not expectations are low, high, or non existent in these neo-summer tent-pole popcorn movies is basically pointless.

Consensus hates the Underworld movies and I like em. Consensus liked T3 and I basically hated it. Consensus here LOVES anything Apatow and I just find his random dialog scenes funny (40yoV being the exception due to Carrell of course) and then the completely schizophrenic take on guys like Rattner or McG. Half of you hate them and half don't but yet each half hates the other half for their opinion. Sooner or later, your zeal will mask your actual and honest take...perhaps we see that in Harry's review here. Perhaps not...but holy shit is it fun readin! Yeehaw!!!! Thanks for playing!

So Harry? Would you rate this on a scale even below last summers The Happening and/or The Love Guru? If thats the case...wow.

We were the only ones he couldn't give a shitty answer to. But fuck it. I'm in Japan & it's 2:38am, so you can have your wish. I'll go to bed. You can deal with him if ya like. Let's see how long you last with the mouthbreathing pleb.

Epiphany is rampant today!

Certainly not the shitfest Harry's making it out to be.

And who cares if a second unit shot the action scenes?

The guy goes by the name 'McG'. DOUCHE! On that reason alone I was planning on giving this film a miss. Now, I'm settled. He's not getting my cash for this train wreck.

And T3 was terrible as well. There is no way they would've made it in to the central communications hub of a military base dragging Arnie along with them. Ridiculous. The t3 bot seemed to be able to control the way a car steers using nano-tech. DUMB! Both of these films should have only been made with either Cameron's guidance or with a tribunal of Terminator expert geeks to fully scour the scripts for logic errors and TALENTED writers who know how to tell a good story.

The other downside is that it's difficult to get psyched about a movie and have it pay off. I chalk that up to having seen too many movies but I've seen nowhere near as many movies as you have. They become too predictable and you've got a mental catalog of hundreds that are better. So a while back I decided to try to not get excited about things. The fact is most people who are making movies today probably don't like movies as much as we do. So they don't CARE as much. They care about their checks and their careers but putting out a quality product is the concern of probably a precious few. In this case I hope Christian Bale cares. He has so far. If he stunk well then, everyone's gotta have a bad role I guess. Everyone else? Who knows.

But I plan to see it tomorrow. I don't have too many bad vibes about it. Hopefully I'll get something out of it. But again I'm not getting excited about it, because I've learned it's not worth the letdown. The only movie for this year that I've let myself have expectations for is Public Enemies and I kinda already wish I hadn't.

Ok, I'm off to bed. If you see a mad scotsman, call him a ginger cunt from me. Cheerio & shit.

That the script could be done as a one man play and hold up on its own with out the explosions.....

Is that not what somebody said...who the fuck said that.....McG?

Yet all I read from the critics is how the action is great but the story and character development is not there.

WHAT A BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKING BULLSHIT!

ALL PRAISE LORD BALE AND THE ON GOING STRUGGLE FOR PROFESSIONALISM fuck the slack jawed amateur Hulberts of this nation!

Days like this, I really miss ChickenGeorge VII.

I think that we are all pretty much resigned to the fact that your opinion is decidedly slanted anyway.

I still maintain that she should've made this. Not some talentless turd who calls himself McG.

I realise i'm wasting my breath. You think Terminator 3 is a better film than T2.

Captain Kirk's birth? Would have been great, had there been any kind of geography to the battle or had the interior of the Kelvin not obviously been a rehabbed warehouse (complete with concrete structures, large open spaces that make no sense in a spaceship, iron girder-work and refrigerator rooms turned into shuttle entrances).

In fact, the whole design aesthetic is ridiculous, mixing modern or old technology and environments and "futuristic" settings that might have worked in Firefly or Star Wars, but look ridiculous in a Star Trek setting.

A lot of the special effects are bad, like the Doctor's horrible Photoshop Eyes in the beginning, the monsters on HOTH and the interior of the villain's ship. The nausea inducing camera work. The badly designed shots. The Beer Vats that appeared in rooms for no reason, like Uhura's listening post. And I haven't even gotten to the meat of the film.

Cadet/Captain Kirk is an idiot and a dick. Chris Pine doesn't imbue Kirk with any sort of emotional arc through the film and he is constantly being rewarded for his being a Prick.

Quinto's laughable performance as Spock is groan-worthy--constantly becoming Sylar at every possible turn. As written and performed, there is very little if any of the character of Spock in him, culminating his blood-thirsty revenge upon the Romulans. Nice.

The rest of the characters are so underdeveloped or underused that they basically get a set-piece each to do something, anything that would explain why they are in the film at all--and all are undercut by those scenes as well.

Scotty is a joke who really must be a miracle-worker as he can do something that has never been done ever in the history of Star Trek--transporting from a stationary planet to a ship hours away--at Warp. Do they even bother for Scotty to use the most powerful Transporter ever developed? No--they use a fucking shuttle Transporter...which is funny, since I didn't think that Shuttles had transporters--and if they did shouldn't the ship be at warp, trying to catch up with the Enterprise? Other than that, Scotty is only used as comic relief and that mainly consists of regurgitating a classic line or interacting with his midget Chewbacca.

Uhura, while expanded from her original role in the end is only Spock's girlfriend. That's it. That's her role. She does move the plot along when she overhears something at Starfleet Academy--but really she only exists to corroborate Kirk's theory, to have a cute little spat with Spock so she can be on the same ship with her boyfriend and to kiss said Boyfriend and be reduced to the "Girl Back Home" during the final fight.

Chekhov, rather than just be the eager young Ensign of the original show is now Wesley Crusher with an accent that is even more ridiculous that Walter Koenig's. His primary function in the movie is to be more of an annoying wunderkind that Wil Wheaton ever was (No wonder WW loved this movie--the pressure is finally off him) and to accidentally kill Spock's mom.

Sulu is basically John Cho, except when he gets to do stunts. There is nothing to his character, at all.

The performances of Kirk's parents were decent, but outside of JTK's naming, not particularly memorable. Sarek and Pike are actually interesting and giving nuanced performances--so of course they are bit players with only a handful of scenes. And then there is poor Nero--the villain. The villain who is so mundane he can't enunciate anything. The villain who waits around for 25 years doing nothing, when if he knew so much about Spock could have attacked him at anytime during his childhood. The villain who's "mining vessel" is so huge and loaded with weapons that easily destroys 47 Klingon ships and the Kelvin. The villain--who's entire motivation can't be bothered with in the film and has to be explained in a comic book.

Don't get me started on the Enterprise, which up until this film was treated as a character--and was shown in shots that actually lasted more than a few seconds. Or the design of the ship, or the previously mentioned use of industrial locations to stand in for not only the bowels of the ship--but seemingly every room that wasn't the bridge. To see the "32rd century" Starfleet uniforms in obvious 20th/21st century settings kept pulling me out of the film.

And the story itself, borrowing heavily from Star Wars (all versions, including the horrendous Prequels), The Lost in Space film from 1998, various Star Treks and every Joseph Campbell-influenced piece of Pap of the last half century.

In short (way too late, I know) I hated this film in the same way Harry hated Terminator Salvation--and just as I have been amazed at how fans have flocked to that film, Harry will watch, horrified, as fans love this new film.

Word.

Now Harry knows what it was like for us. And I say either "Knowing is half the battle" or "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

1) RE: completely betraying the premise and context that T1 set up. Completely incorrect. And what the fuck are you babbling on about with this “maintaining the middle class family unit” crap? Did you hear that phrase in your socio-economics class?

2) You’ve got it backwards. The whiny teen (sans any “father complex” btw) actually becomes the badass general of the future. As we see quite clearly in the opening shot with an old scarred John on the battlefield. And where did you get John Connor’s love of Guns n Roses from? His friend was the one wearing the Guns n Roses shirt.

3) Nothing “inexplicable” here. In fact, it’s actually explained quite well. The Terminator is still an unstoppable robot assassin from the future. But the badass general of the future reprogrammed him to protect Sarah and his younger self this time. Pay attention.

4) The violence is hardly toned down. The T-1000 gives us plenty of nice gruesome kills. And a few one liners does not a “family friendly comedy” make.

A) This is the only accurate point you’ve made. The T-1000 did not need to have Sarah “call to John”.

B) Why can liquid metal go through time? Because that’s how temporal displacement works. Duh.

Class dismissed.

Old Man Spock - Nimoy is just too fucking old. He was like a talking corpse and I was just waiting for his false teeth to fall out onto Kirk's shoes.

The crazy bug monster on the ice planet. Just no need for it whatsoever. Take a moment to slow things down and have Kirk actually do something to prove he is intelligent and resourceful rather than just fall over and be found by Dr Exposition who conveniently is in the exact right place in the whole universe at the exact right time to save him and tell him exactly what is going on and what needs to be done.

Screen flares. I read this was because JJ thought the future was so bright it couldn't be contained or some shit. It took me out of the moment and kept reminding me I was watching something on a set that had been recorded into a camera. I much preferred the early stuff with Kirk's dad - that Star Trek world looked very real, lived in and entirey in keeping with the older films. I would have liked them to have kept this look but instead they went for the Apple Store Enterprise. Better than the fakeness of the SW prequels of course, but just take a hint from the original Star Wars - people loved that because it was dirty and grimy and felt real even though it wasn't.

Simon Pegg in the tube. Again just another pointless bit of gubbins to keep the tempo ridiculously high. Its OK to have moments where people aren't running around at full tilt JJ. Just have Pegg materialise in a tank and hey presto you've got a nice little gag without some boring "rescue him from a big tank of something" nonsense. We know he's not going to die because we've seen the trailer where he stands on the bridge. That hasn't happened yet ergo stop all the fucking around.

Why the fuck was Winona Ryder in old age makeup chosen to be Spock's mum? What was wrong with an older actress? Is this to set up "flashback" scenes in future films? I can think of no other reason.

All in all I thought the film was good and shows promise for future films but lessons need to be learnt. Someone compared this film to X1 - lets hope the next film is X2 levels of awesome. I thought X1 was pretty boring but it set everything up to really go crazy in the sequel. I think theres enough talent on show in the this film to think theres a good chance this will happen in the sequel. BUT lets be clear - this Star Trek is no better than a good 7/10 film. They should, and hopefully CAN, do better next time.

Di recting....Shoddy

Acting (Bale)...Atrocious!!!

I would drop the ban hammer on that multiple posting twat.

Commemorating the 10th anniversary of Phantom Menace Moriarty put up a quite spot-on article over at hitfix. So we know whom we have to thank for the mess this talkback is about.

http://tinyurl.com/itsallgeorg esfault

That "a" was my fault though.

So now, why don't you BUGGER OFF!!!

"I dunno, let's make her mute so it's like she's scarred by the intensity of this Children of Men movie we wanna rip off".

"Hey remember that time we made 7 figures writing cat puns for Halle Berry?"

"Yeah, let's do some more blow".

This site makes me laugh (in a bad way) some times

So instead of saying that maybe QT, McG or the screenwriters should do less blow, MAYBE we should be saying they should do more lines.

Hence, Milos Foreman =Cokehead.

Probably be best if it was a Twilight TB.

B) He actually will probably start get better than most other directors because he gets more chances. While more talented people than him are struggling to get a movie made, he will probably continue to get gigs and because of that set experience on big budget movies. I don't care how much better some young filmmaker are than him, if that guy has only got two independent movies with budgets less than $1 million under his belt it will be hard for him to come in and blow away McG who will probably soon have thousands of on set experience working on $100 million dollar movies.

McG is like the son of a guy coaching a football team. He keeps his son in at QB giving him all the snaps and practice, while a better kid sits on the bench and his skills and talents go undeveloped.

BTW - you've been on a Talkback roll lately. Fun stuff.

Going with the sports angle, he is like the guys I played college football with that were pretty bad and always took anything someone said as a challenge to their manhood.

God I hope I wasn't like that.

We don't get it until June 3 due to Sony distributing it over here and not wanting to open it the week after the shit-fest that is their very own Angels & Demons.

You mention skin and how there was none. Are you sure? 100% sure? Or are you just presuming there wasn't or that it wasn't possible? What about the cloth of his police uniform? The hair of John's stepmom? And her clothing too? Soft and fuzzy metal? Microscopic metal molding itself to mimic hair and cloth? Or perhaps inside the T-1000 there actually exists all of this material that the 1000 is capable of bringing to the surface as needed? As well as genetically altering certain aspects (color, etc)? That each and every skin cell is a separate and living entity within the T-1000 that can be genetically replicated and configured as needed within it's body? And all of those billions of fully controllable skin cells are layered on top of the liquid metal body? And it's really not a liquid but presumably trillions of nanotech cellular 'bots' of some type that can handle this and much more? And yet wouldn't require the 1000 to form the process (cant form complex machines) but the device that handles these parameters just sits inside of him like a component of a modern computer? It could practically be microscopic and still get the job done.

Personally, the organic concept of "The Thing" popped into my mind right away..each and every cell is autonomous and moves to suit the host, or the cpu of the T-1000 if there's even a discreet device like that in it's body.

The point is we're talking technology designed and built by true artificial intelligence. That kind of tech is simply beyond our capacity to understand and I think JC and his crew did quite an admirable job in imagining what autonomous thinking machines would create in order to kill humans.

If they can create or clone living tissue which does not die or rot on a metal endoskeleton (the T-800), then a logical step would be to break from the 'skeletal' model's limitations. No more "big man" T-800's, fully capable of mimicing any human face and form? What's more perfect for the task of assassination than being an unstoppable metamorphic chameleon?

Now, you could say I'm reading way to much into this but that goes back to my point. If you cannot possibly imagine how this could be possible and it ruins the movie for you, that's fine. But if JC thought that about all of us cinema-goers, then we'd have an awkward and "gee, awfully convenient" description plot point by someone having to explain the tech better left to the audience's imaginations. Personally, I'm glad he erred on the side of people willing to spend even a few seconds imaging how it could be possible versus erring on describing and explaning everything that happens in the flique.

Please, it's better when the cinema audience is expected to be even a little savvy...otherwise we get these dumbass movies that presume you're about as perceptive as a shank of old carpet.

As far as plot holes, it's definitely true about the voice and appearance of Sarah only a few moments later. I do know that when the T-1000 was doused in liquid CO2 and "destroyed" that he actually suffered significant damage. When he and Arnie fight and he gets Arnie's arm lodged in the machine and goes to walk away...he looks up and a ripple of 'liquid' metal flows over his features? You know why? He's damaged. I watched that scene frame by frame before I watched and read about JC's take on that scene. The T-1000 was damaged and the reason he stabbed Sarah instead of just mimicking her was saving power and energy so as not to have to waste it on something less important than killing John.

Now, I'm going to guess this won't be good enough for you and you'll still consider it the shittiest movie ever. And that's fine of course...opinions and all that...but I joked once that the reason Seth Rogen is a jackass is because he wore fake tattoos in 40yoV...the funny thing? TB'ers didn't realize I was fucking joking. The pathetic thing? After I told them I was joking they still blabbered on about how it's a very dumb reason to hate an actor. Some people just refuse to get it...whether it's somewhat ambiguous or spelled out in precision detail.

Some people just revel in their own stupid sauce.

That's fine of course...but the film makers who do not cater to those people are the ones that I always expect quality from...you must be completely lost watching films from directors like Kubrick or Aronofsky, Terry Gilliam or anyone who is either brilliantly ambiguous or routinely surreal.

NOT

I thought it was actually a really good movie. The one thing I thought it lacked, however, were enough Giant Robots. Fortunately, Mikey_Bay is going to rectify this matter w/ the summer's biggest, best movie yet---TRANSFORMERS IN ENGLAND: OPTIMUS SPEAKS w/ a BRITISH ACCENT. It's great-see he's really from LEEDS this time and he sounds JUST like those guys from CARDIFF and---

I'm not a Harry basher (unless it's politics) but he needs about a 10 year buffer between seeing a movie and reviewing it just to get some perspective. Jeez.

I once read that back in the Fatty Arbuckle days they would hold big parties where on the tables was booze and cocaine.

Cocaine has been part of Hollywood since the beginning. A long and beautiful tradition.

At the end, when he asked Drew if he was "haulin' ass", I laughed out loud. At that moment, he seemed like a red-haired Danny McBride.

Ha! Nice.

Yeah, he was into fucked up shit but he didn't rape and murder that woman. She was bleeding from a botched abortion. Fucking tabloid gossip columnist ruined his career.

I'm actually a fan of Fatty's- own his collection of silent comedy DVDs. Guy was a comic genius of his day.

Side not - best Simpsons joke ever is when Krusty is at the post office and sees that he is not one of the comedians getting a Stamp. "Kings of Comedy my butt. What has Fatty Arbuckle ever done that I haven't?"

Coke and Whisky Dick.

And maybe even swat her on the ass on her way out of the car.

But remember, those effects were the pinnacle at the time. Even viewing that movie a year or so later may have made it seem less than great the way CGI is improved upon at such a rapid rate.

I have to put a shout of respect out to HarryBlackPotter for his 'alternate reality' review of TS.

Genius stuff, I hope our Headgeek reads it with a rueful smile....

Not the Knowles, but HarryBlackPotter, found about halfway down the tb.

For services to professionalism he takes the 'Order of Beru' and a lifetime supply of white vader.

What's up with the Gaius?

IT'S NOT REAL. IT'S A ROLLERCOASTER RIDE IN AN AMUSEMENT PARK! Up , down, loop the loop...

Of course, rollercoasters make some people feel like barfing...

Detroit News, NY Daily News, Newsday, NY Observer, New York Times, Variety, EW, Total Film, and Empire so far say it's either good or great.

A big comment on the Empire review is that the Brits wanna know what the US reviewers are smoking, giving it such low marks.

And yeah, I know Ebert and USA Today and a bunch of others are slamming it, but if it was such a fetid peice of poo then wouldn't the negative reviews be universal?

I think there's more to it, and most people just didn't like the WAY McG chose to show THIS PART of the future war...or they are asinine and want Arnie and humor back.

Most "user" reviews in TB and on these review sites say that it's Good, not great, definitely not a Transformers type of film, and while it doesn't reach T1 or T2, it's miles higher than T3.

AND, it's a good setup for the rest of the trilogy... a bit like XMen 1 maybe?

My hopes remain high.

Balellujah!

You have kept the faith though others have spat and mocked upon your altar.

Tonight you shall recieve your reward. A pair of Andie MacDowell's panties (soiled) are in the post.

I remember watching the TV spots during football for TSCC before it debuted thinking it was going to be a joke (oh great, a 90210 Terminator!) but now I think it might be the best Terminator property since the original! The series easily exceeded my lowest expectations and now I think it rivals T2 in terms of quality. The cast, the action, the overall storylines were pretty damn good.

Sure, there were some filler eps during the 2nd season that could've been omitted but overall I really liked what they did. It remains to be seen if the 3rd season would've worked with John in the future and Sarah in the past but again I have a 100Xs more interest for seeing that than whatever the movies have in store... Maybe I should reserve my judgment until I see T4 but I'm going in not expecting much (like I do with all major motion pictures nowadays...)

Four stars out of five 'Excellent' EMPIRE MAGAZINE review. Harry's opinion is not shared by everyone....

Stones + Booze + Coke = Twilight Opening Day TB.